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[06:24] <Admiral_Chicago> seems like 2.0.0.3 is out, security fixes
[06:26] <Admiral_Chicago> and 1.5.0.11
[11:53] <gnomefreak> so many less build-deps in iceape than firefox
[11:57] <asac> really?
[11:57] <gnomefreak> seems so
[11:58] <asac> which ones? are not in ape which are in fox?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> i used build-dep firefox anyway because im sure i will still build them but if you give me a few ill post them
[12:02] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11316/
[12:03] <asac> hmm
[12:03] <asac> maybe some more gnome depends :)
[12:03] <gnomefreak> maybe
[12:04] <gnomefreak> its building without changes it looks like
[12:13] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm thats odd
[12:13] <gnomefreak> its failing just like thunderbird failed
[12:13] <gnomefreak> /usr/bin/ld: libxpcom_compat.so: hidden symbol `nsHashtable::Get(nsHashKey*)' isn't defined
[12:13] <gnomefreak> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output
[12:14] <gnomefreak> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[12:15] <gnomefreak> piping it to build.log just incase now
[12:26] <asac> hmm
[12:26] <asac> build-essential installed?
[12:31] <gnomefreak> yep
[12:33] <gnomefreak> i cant paste it its onver 1 mb
[12:33] <gnomefreak> over even
[12:51] <gnomefreak> how do you unmount a chroot? i use sudo umount -a and said everthing is busy. i need to unmount my feisty chroot from home so i can get rid of it
[12:58] <asac> umount /path/to/chroot ?
[12:59] <asac> you need to unmount home from chroot ... or chroot from home?
[12:59] <gnomefreak> umount: /var/chroot/feisty/: not mounted
[12:59] <gnomefreak> should i add home to the end of that?
[12:59] <asac> you have to identify what you want to do
[12:59] <asac> or why
[01:00] <asac> if you want to unmount home from within chroot
[01:00] <asac> you need to add it of course
[01:00] <gnomefreak> i want to delete it and not lose my home stuff
[01:00] <asac> you can see all mounted by
[01:00] <asac> just
[01:00] <asac> mount
[01:00] <asac> you can only unmount what is currently mounted
[01:00] <asac> so look at output of mount
[01:00] <asac> (without arguments)
[01:00] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... you have to unmount ...home most probably
[01:01] <asac> probably .../proc as well
[01:01] <asac> ??
[01:01] <asac> just try
[01:01] <gnomefreak> i just tried proc says its busy
[01:01] <asac> mount | grep feisty :)
[01:01] <asac> what does it yield?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> proc-chroot on /var/chroot/feisty/proc type proc (rw)
[01:01] <gnomefreak> devpts-chroot on /var/chroot/feisty/dev/pts type devpts (rw)
[01:01] <asac> so those
[01:02] <asac> otherwise be safe and remove them from fstab then reboot :)
[01:02] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:~$ sudo umount /var/chroot/feisty/dev
[01:02] <gnomefreak> umount: /var/chroot/feisty/dev: device is busy
[01:02] <gnomefreak> umount: /var/chroot/feisty/dev: device is busy
[01:03] <asac> ok ... i go for lunch ... try clean up /etc/fstab ... then reboot
[01:03] <gnomefreak> k
[01:03] <asac> mount should be gone
[01:10] <asac> ok quick-lunch
[01:44] <asac> back from lunch
[01:49] <Admiral_Chicago> be back in 14 hours
[01:50] <Admiral_Chicago> err 8am - 10pm *is* 14 hours.
[01:50] <Admiral_Chicago> damn.
[01:55] <asac> ouch
[01:55] <asac> have fun
[01:56] <Admiral_Chicago> roger that
[01:56] <Admiral_Chicago> afk
[02:36] <gnomefreak> joejaxx: you about?
[02:39] <gnomefreak> asac: on the iceape build i used dpkg-checkbuilddeps and it showed nothing that i missed. could it be the depends are wrong versions?
[02:40] <gnomefreak> i got it from experimental
[02:54] <gnomefreak> still getting all kind of errors setting up a feisty chroot :(
[03:03] <asac> gnomefreak: don't use that
[03:03] <asac> use unstable
[03:04] <asac> others reported problems with experimental build as well iirc
[03:04] <asac> its outdated i guess
[03:09] <gnomefreak> unstable == etch?
[03:09] <asac> yeah ... atm thats true
[03:09] <gnomefreak> asac: problem with that is its not 1.1.1 :(
[03:09] <asac> but in fact:
[03:09] <asac> unstable == sid
[03:09] <asac> testing == etch
[03:09] <asac> stable == sarge
[03:09] <gnomefreak> k
[03:09] <asac> soon:
[03:09] <asac> testing == lenny
[03:09] <asac> stable == etch
[03:10] <asac> oldstable == sarge
[03:10] <gnomefreak> ill check sid than but im thinking same version
[03:10] <asac> unstable == sid (always)
[03:10] <asac> no
[03:10] <asac> experimental has 1.1
[03:10] <asac> unstable has 1.0.8
[03:10] <asac> take 1.0.8 for now
[03:11] <gnomefreak> k
[03:12] <asac> if that still fails we have to reset assumptions :)
[03:12] <gnomefreak> k ill le tyou know
[03:27] <gnomefreak> all edgy gtk crashes are dupes of bug 72018? i have a gtk_style_ref   with filepicker
[03:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72018 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@gtk_style_realize]  [@nsFilePicker::Show] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72018
[03:31] <asac> can't tell without looking at specific bug
[03:31] <asac> you are on feisty now?
[03:31] <asac> can you please see how the backtrace looks like
[03:31] <asac> if you go
[03:32] <gnomefreak> not set up for retraces yet
[03:32] <asac> http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads
[03:32] <gnomefreak> bug 85070 da wokkies crashreport
[03:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85070 in firefox "firefox crashed" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85070
[03:32] <gnomefreak> i will as soon as i can
[03:32] <gnomefreak> should be today :)
[03:32] <asac> cool
[03:52] <gnomefreak> what do you think about abive crash report?
[04:00] <gnomefreak> not crashing here atm
[04:02] <gnomefreak> non seem to be videos anylonger they seem to be pics only
[04:04] <gnomefreak> none
[04:37] <asac> no videos?
[04:37] <asac> totem-mozilla installed?
[04:39] <asac> probably dupe
[04:39] <asac> need gtk dbg symbols
[04:39] <asac> to se gtk_style_realize
[04:44] <joejaxx> gnomefreak: yes i am here
[04:44] <joejaxx> gnomefreak: 1.1.1 did not build for me either
[04:46] <joejaxx> :)
[04:53] <gnomefreak> joejaxx: ok good
[04:53] <gnomefreak> i was gonna ask you to try it
[04:53] <gnomefreak> 1.0.8 seems to be building fine here without changes
[04:53] <gnomefreak> than i have to figure out what changes to make and make them
[04:54] <asac> works fine
[04:54] <gnomefreak> that way i can apt-get source and build it in buntu
[04:54] <asac> i have a bunch too
[04:54] <gnomefreak> ubuntu
[04:54] <gnomefreak> any one i should do?
[04:55] <gnomefreak> sid etch or the unstable?
[04:55] <asac> unstable
[04:55] <gnomefreak> repos are http://ftp.debian.org/unstable?/
[04:55] <asac> no
[04:56] <asac> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian
[04:56] <asac> for you i guess
[04:56] <gnomefreak> ok that will make it unstable without stating it?
[04:56] <asac> debchroot sid /path/to/sid/chroot
[04:56] <asac> will produce sid chroot
[04:57] <asac> you path unstable/sid to debootstrap
[04:57] <asac> pass
[04:57] <asac> :)
[04:57] <asac> debootstrap sid /path/to/sid/chroot
[04:57] <asac> :)
[04:57] <asac> or something like that
[04:57] <gnomefreak> so if i want it /var/chroot/sid i would use that for path
[04:57] <asac> yes
[04:58] <gnomefreak> sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 sid /var/chroot/sid/ http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ dont use this?
[04:59] <gnomefreak> sudo debootstrap --arch i386 sid sid/ http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ looks like it from wiki
[05:04] <gnomefreak> its started. sometime in very near future im going to a freinds house to see her baby
[05:06] <asac> gnomefreak: have fun :)
[05:07] <gnomefreak> always :) i cant get that apple site to crash anymore but everytime you click on a video it says no video than shows you a picture
[05:07] <asac> hmm
[05:08] <gnomefreak> changing theme with picture loading or loaded fx doesnt crash
[05:08] <asac> i see video
[05:08] <gnomefreak> i didnt :(
[05:08] <gnomefreak> i couldnt even right click it and open in movieplayer
[05:08] <asac> then you plugin appears to be not properly set up`
[05:08] <asac> ?
[05:08] <asac> http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
[05:09] <asac> maybe you need to choose a different film
[05:09] <asac> (e.g. click on images below)
[05:10] <gnomefreak> missing libxine-main1
[05:10] <gnomefreak> asac: i tried all 4 sections of them
[05:10] <gnomefreak> i also dont have flash installed
[05:12] <gnomefreak> trying with libxine-main1 installed
[05:14] <gnomefreak> still no crash lets try a few other things :) i heard it say hello
[05:14] <gnomefreak> than it stoped
[05:14] <asac> ?
[05:14] <asac> 4 sections?
[05:15] <asac> i don't see sections
[05:17] <gnomefreak> look at the arrows besinde the videos on bottom and above the video is four dots
[05:17] <gnomefreak> beside*
[05:18] <gnomefreak> thereit goes
[05:18] <asac> ah i see sections :)
[05:18] <gnomefreak> i guess it was still hanging
[05:18] <asac> yeah hangs often
[05:18] <asac> have to try until it plays
[05:18] <gnomefreak> but i still didnt get apport
[05:19] <gnomefreak> yep sure did
[05:19] <gnomefreak> it crashed
[05:19] <asac> cool :)
[05:19] <asac> now a backtrace and then I am happy :)
[05:20] <gnomefreak> will see what apprt gives me if not good ill try to grab backtrace but they never give me bt full
[05:30] <gnomefreak> its a shitty stack
[05:30] <asac> ok
[05:30] <gnomefreak> thread stack has nsAppStartup:Run
[05:30] <asac> maybe use old then
[05:31] <asac> old apport
[05:31] <gnomefreak> and shell:run
[05:31] <asac> how about manual debugging?
[05:31] <asac> like in wiki?
[05:31] <asac> with firefox-dbg
[05:31] <asac> and firefox -g 2>&1 | tee ...
[05:31] <asac> ?
[05:31] <gnomefreak> will try
[05:32] <asac> ah you need gtk dbg as well
[05:32] <asac> i guess
[05:32] <gnomefreak> might be a bit later for that one as i have chroot building and iceape building (alot of mem and cpu useage i would think)
[05:32] <gnomefreak> yep
[05:33] <asac> yes
[05:33] <gnomefreak> this is  still a fairly small system atm
[05:33] <asac> atm? any improvements on radar?
[05:34] <gnomefreak> in the next day or so i should have everything installed again.
[05:34] <gnomefreak> my net sucks or i would do it all while other things are using it
[05:36] <gnomefreak> installing some now
[05:36] <gnomefreak> the ones needed for backtrace including libgtk2.0-0-dbg
[05:36] <gnomefreak> i also need pittis repo if you have it
[05:38] <gnomefreak> about 35-40 minutes for download so i will most likely need to wait a few hours till i get home
[05:40] <asac> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs feisty main restricted universe multiverse
[05:41] <gnomefreak> ty
[06:07] <asac> y cu
[07:27] <asac> gnomefreak: https://code.beta.launchpad.net/~asac/firefox/trunk
[07:28] <asac> you can now build trunk and run it
[07:28] <asac> package is called firefox-trunk
[07:28] <asac> same for binary
[07:28] <asac> will install in parallel to stable firefox
[07:31] <asac> guess beta is not vor anyone :)
[07:53] <asac> anyone wants to help experiment with mozillateam bzr repository a bit?
[07:58] <poningru> sure
[08:04] <asac> hmm ... team-membership is needed for this :/
[08:05] <poningru> :(
[08:07] <asac> tonyyarusso: how is your work on nvu/k* going?
[09:44] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah i will
[09:45] <gnomefreak> asac: your the only one that can upload to that branch
[09:46] <asac> yes ... its the main branch
[09:46] <asac> i want to setup a mozillateam branch as well
[09:46] <asac> where you can do changes which i can pull in to main branch
[09:47] <asac> actually, I am unsure, if it can be named the same way or if it needs to be named mt-trunk
[09:47] <asac> but i guess trunk is fine
[09:47] <asac> maybe you want to clone my branch and push it to mozillateam?
[09:48] <asac> then i tell you what to change ... which i can then cherry-pick :)
[09:48] <asac> i had problems do push with old bzr
[09:48] <asac> so better use most recent one right from the beginnning
[09:49] <gnomefreak> not usre how to set one up (i havent used bzr but a few times to download bughelper)
[09:49] <asac> you know if anyone else has *some* experience with bzr in team?
[09:50] <gnomefreak> ok iceape built fine without changes now i just have to figure out what i need to change to make it ubuntus
[09:50] <asac> yeah :)
[09:50] <gnomefreak> asac: david maybe crimsun im sure does
[09:50] <gnomefreak> joejaxx: might. but ubugtu knows more about bzr than me :)
[09:50] <asac> hehe
[09:50] <asac> yes
[09:51] <asac> anyway, you can clone :) ... so you can probably build the trunk package for yourself now :)
[09:51] <gnomefreak> ok im gonna try to get the backtrace but no promises for tonight if it fails to get a stack
[09:52] <gnomefreak> :/
[09:53] <gnomefreak> ok thats started. now for backtrace
[09:55] <gnomefreak> asac: do you have my personal package site link?
[09:55] <asac> hmmm
[09:55] <asac> somewhere :)
[09:55] <gnomefreak> oh i got it
[09:55] <gnomefreak> first try too
[09:57] <joejaxx> nice
[10:01] <gnomefreak> asac: the trunk is source right? you cant upload .debs to bzr?
[10:01] <asac> no
[10:01] <asac> i could ... but thats not the idea :)
[10:02] <gnomefreak> ok so i can build it from that pckage good :)
[10:02] <asac> its simple
[10:02] <asac> just clone
[10:02] <asac> then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[10:02] <asac> done
[10:02] <asac> it contains the upstream tarball
[10:02] <asac> dunno if that is a good idea on the long run
[10:03] <gnomefreak> how would i clone it?
[10:03] <asac> for trunk package there should be something like "do build latest from CVS"
[10:03] <asac> go to the branch page
[10:03] <asac> in launchpad
[10:03] <asac> there should be instructions
[10:03] <asac> bzr clone http://url/to/repo
[10:03] <asac> bzr clone https://url/to/repo
[10:03] <asac> i guess
[10:04] <asac> you find the branch
[10:04] <asac> through firefox product
[10:04] <asac> it is a firefox product branch
[10:04] <asac> basically its the same as for bughelper :)
[10:05] <asac> try: clone http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~asac/firefox/trunk firefox-trunk-gnomefreak
[10:05] <asac> aeh
[10:06] <asac> bzr clone http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~asac/firefox/trunk firefox-trunk-gnomefreak
[10:06] <asac> of course :)
[10:07] <gnomefreak> ok its working i think
[10:08] <gnomefreak> opera 9.20 is pretty nice :)
[10:08] <asac> :) blame on you
[10:08] <asac> and of course shame :)
[10:09] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:09] <gnomefreak> i need it to test ff crash
[10:22] <gnomefreak> i cant get teh sob to die'
[10:24] <asac> you  have to play movies
[10:24] <asac> if they don't play it won't crash ;)
[10:24] <gnomefreak> they are playing
[10:24] <gnomefreak> atleast part of it
[10:25] <asac> hmmm ... i guess you will do it :)
[10:25] <asac> just try a few times :)
[10:26] <gnomefreak> yeah i may have to re run it a few times (log is getting big
[10:27] <gnomefreak> oh bad very very bad
[10:27] <gnomefreak> i have all black screen now had to use alt+tab to get terminal back
[10:28] <gnomefreak> got rid of it
[10:49] <gnomefreak> omfg
[10:49] <gnomefreak> this is sad
[10:55] <gnomefreak> lol sob
[10:55] <gnomefreak> it wont crash with gdb running but crashes its ass off normally
[11:01] <asac> heisenbug :)
[11:01] <asac> hmm
[11:04] <gnomefreak> cant get it to crash at all under gdb
[11:05] <gnomefreak> without it i can crash it pretty much whenever i want
[11:05] <gnomefreak> threadstack is helpfull but stacktrace is not
[11:11] <gnomefreak> asac: do i unpack the tar and build like normal? with the clone i got a debian dir and the tar.bz2
[11:19] <asac> just run dpkg-buildpackage inside it for now
[11:19] <asac> no need to untar et al
[11:20] <asac> you might want to tar up a orig.tar.gz ... but that does not matter if you produce binary packages
[11:21] <gnomefreak> cant run it in debian dir
[11:22] <gnomefreak> or should i run it in firefox-branch-gnomefreak
[11:22] <gnomefreak> s/branch/trunk
[11:23] <gnomefreak> you have 2 cdbs depends
[11:24] <gnomefreak> Unmet build dependencies: cdbs (>= 0.4.23-1.1) cdbs (>= 0.4.27-1)
[11:25] <gnomefreak> they are kind of redundant seeing as >=0.4.23-1.1 has 0.4.27-1 in the scope
[11:29] <gnomefreak> its building but i wasnt sure why cdbs 2xs
[11:30] <asac> yeah
[11:30] <asac> anyway
[11:30] <asac> one install is enough
[11:30] <asac> its a bug
[11:46] <gnomefreak> pittis repo work for anyone?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> i cant grab packages :(
[11:47] <gnomefreak> tryonh update again
[11:48] <gnomefreak> tring*
[11:50] <gnomefreak> ots working :(
[11:55] <asac> i think the apport retraces are still worth nothing :(
[11:55] <asac> hmm
[12:03] <gnomefreak> feisty ones arnt. but with edgy i think its more of the non supported shit that is out there for fx
[12:04] <asac> its wierd for amd64 we get somehow good looking retraces
[12:04] <asac> but they don't look right anyway
[12:05] <asac> i have one where the stacktrace was produced with debug symbols, so i can compare ... result of apport retrace vs. real result
[12:05] <asac> so lets see :)
[12:06] <gnomefreak> can we add firefox-dbg when installing firefox? that will cut down on the bs
[12:06] <asac> haha
[12:07] <asac> no its a bandwidth thing
[12:07] <asac> you cannot require everyone to download dbgsym
[12:07] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:07] <asac> otherwise retracing could be done on client
[12:08] <gnomefreak> i think it would save space that way apport wouldnt have to be installed and all its depedns
[12:08] <asac> if it could save space it would never be more than 50M which is size of -dbg
[12:09] <asac> and adding this policy would mean -dbg package for anything
[12:09] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:09] <gnomefreak> that could get ugly
[12:10] <gnomefreak> maybe add it to suggested packages?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> still only helps for kde
[12:12] <gnomefreak> ok i just did it again
[12:13] <gnomefreak> its too easy to do without running gdb
[12:14] <gnomefreak> i will try later im going to eat dinner
[12:21] <asac> k