[02:01] <mpo> can someone help me with some live cd questions?
[02:02] <mpo> I am curious why the live dvd is only 486 mb
[02:09] <mpo> is there a time that this channel is more active?
[02:10] <bimberi> mpo: yes
[02:10] <bimberi> mpo: where are you seeing that size for the dvd image?
[02:11] <pygi> ogra, poke
[02:11] <mpo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
[02:12] <pygi> or is it ogra_ ? :P
[02:12] <bimberi> mpo: the .iso files are "4.4G"
[02:12] <mpo> feisty-dvd-i386.iso          21-Mar-2007 13:03  4.4G  Install/live DVD for PC (Intel x86) computers (standard download)
[02:13] <mpo> i chose this from the list but when the download prompts it show as 439 mb
[02:13] <mpo> iso
[02:13] <bimberi> mpo: ah, let me try
[02:15] <bimberi> hm, shows as 4535.1MB here (in the Firefox download window)
[02:16] <mpo> hmmm
[02:16] <mpo> you are right
[02:17] <mpo> had firefox on another pc this only has explorer
[02:18] <bimberi> yep, looks about the right size.  Too much for my dialup connection :)
[02:19] <mpo> hmmm firefox does not seem to let me download to a mapped drive though
[02:20] <mpo> always want to save to my desktop
[02:21] <bimberi> right-click -> save as...   should let you navigate elsewhere
[02:21] <mpo> bimberi: only lets me save the link
[02:22] <mpo> anyway I can figure that out...do you know if the live CD has the manuals included?  ..not the dvd
[02:22] <bimberi> *save link as*  ?
[02:23] <bimberi> mpo: there is documentation and most packages include manpages
[02:24] <mpo> hmmm the kTurtle programming program errored out when try to access it from the help ....do I have to just browse to a directory to read them instead?
[02:25] <bimberi> mpo: unfortunately that I don't know about sorry.  Hopefully someone else...
[02:28] <mpo> if I want the live cd or dvd to have flash...java...so that it can browse the web do I have to install to a hdd and then re-image it after I install them
[02:31] <bimberi> you can install packages while running the LiveCD.
[02:31] <bimberi> (temporary to the session of course)
[02:32] <mpo> but how can I do it permanetly for the cd ... the reason I ask is because java...mp3..and what have you have a max distribution limit ans that is why they are not included in the OS
[02:33] <mpo> at least thats why I think
[02:33] <bimberi> !uck
[02:33] <ubotu> UCK is a tool that helps you customise official Ubuntu Live CDs (including Kubuntu/Xubuntu and Edubuntu) to your needs. See http://uck.sourceforge.net/
[02:35] <calimer> I was just wondering, why are the system requirements for edubuntu so high?
[02:35] <calimer> I want to install it on a 450 mhz computer with 64 mb of ram
[02:36] <bimberi> calimer: that would be OK as a thin-client connected to an Edubuntu LTSP server.  As a standalone it will need more RAM.  128MB at least (and will probably still be quite slow)
[02:37] <calimer> I'm not familiar to the concept of a thin-client
[02:38] <calimer> that is interesting that it would need more to be standalone
[02:38] <calimer> I don't need to connect it to the net or anything, I just want to have educational stuff on the computers for the kids
[02:39] <calimer> i supposed I could just grab the individual programs
[02:39] <calimer> ubuntu in general seems to have somewhat high system requirements
[02:39] <calimer> even for the xfce type
[02:39] <calimer> I was running mandrake with xfce on my 350 mhz with no problem
[02:40] <bimberi> you could try Xubuntu then ...
[02:40] <bimberi> !xubuntu
[02:40] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[02:40] <bimberi> or even ...
[02:40] <bimberi> !fluxbuntu
[02:40] <ubotu> fluxbuntu is a LPAE-standard compliant, Ubuntu-based derivative that maintains the goal of running on a wide range of mobile devices and computers (low-end & high-end). It is lightweight, swift and efficient. | Support Channel: #fluxbuntu on freenode | Homepage: http://fluxbuntu.org/
[02:41] <calimer> even for that install I think it wanted 256 ram
[02:41] <calimer> oh 128
[02:41] <bimberi> yes, for the LiveCD installer.  There is a text based "alternate" installer which is much less hungry ...
[02:42] <bimberi> !alternate
[02:42] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[02:42] <calimer> thank you for your help, I'm excited to help teach the kids about linux
[02:43] <calimer> right now the computers are running windows 98 first edition and can't even install a driver for my thumb drive
[02:43] <bimberi> you're welcome :)
[02:43] <bimberi> I've found this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_client
[02:43] <calimer> are you a developer for edubuntu?
[02:44] <bimberi> No. Just someone who likes to help out.
[02:44] <calimer> ah because I want to suggest some software for it
[02:46] <bimberi> I'd suggest posting to the edubuntu-devel mailing list
[02:47] <bimberi> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[02:47] <calimer> good idea, sounds great
[02:48] <calimer> I think I want to make a sandbox game for kids
[02:48] <calimer> where they can design their own 3D worlds and interact in them
[02:49] <bimberi> something like Kahootz?
[02:49] <bimberi> (which is proprietary software btw)
[02:50] <calimer> not sure but I'm going to check it out
[02:50] <calimer> mine would be free
[02:50] <bimberi> calimer: hence that sounds fantastic!
[02:50] <calimer> kahootz looks like good inspiration
[02:51] <bimberi> I only know about Kahootz through helping classes at my sons' school with it
[02:51] <calimer> I want to make something that helps kids make their own stories too
[02:51] <calimer> though that is a bit tougher
[02:52] <calimer> for me I run a before and afterschool at an elementary school for grades k-5
[02:52] <calimer> and I salvaged those two computers that they were throwing away at my admin building
[02:52] <calimer> I have tuxpaint and childsplay on them for the kids and they love it
[02:53] <bimberi> cool :)
[02:53] <calimer> yeah it's awesome
[02:53] <calimer> but I want to show them how to make games and level design
[02:53] <calimer> and I can't really show them my past work which is at http://lms.d3files.com a little inappropriate for them
[02:54] <bimberi> er, yes :)
[02:55] <calimer> thanks for the kahootz link
[02:55] <calimer> this software looks very interesting
[02:55] <calimer> I'm going to see about ordering the demo
[02:56] <bimberi> it's very good.  I'd love to see a Free Software equivalent.
[02:57] <calimer> well the in game level designing part will come quickly
[02:57] <calimer> but these extra features will take longer
[02:57] <calimer> I know one thing I have already made with some friends is a huge slide
[02:57] <calimer> and then a jump pad that shot us back up to the top
[02:58] <calimer> have you ever heard of alice?
[03:00] <bimberi> no
[03:00] <calimer> http://www.alice.org/
[03:00] <calimer> not sure how similar it is to kahootz but seems quite similar
[03:00] <calimer> might be the free equivalent
[03:02] <bimberi> looks very interesting - thanks!
[03:03] <calimer> I made a small movie with it, it seemed pretty cool
[03:03] <calimer> I'm interested to know how it compares to kahootz if you check it out
[03:06] <calimer> I need to get to bed, up early for the morning program.  Take care and thank you for your help :)
[03:06] <bimberi> You're welcome.  Good luck.
[03:11] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:23] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[03:24] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[03:25] <sbalneav> I sent off an updated manual to ogra to look over
[03:25] <sbalneav> Got some time right now?
[03:25] <LaserJock> some yeah
[03:25] <LaserJock> what's up?
[03:26] <sbalneav> Hold on, lemme dcc you the updated manual
[03:28] <sbalneav> dccccccc
[03:28] <sbalneav> See it?
[03:30] <LaserJock> well, kinda
[03:30] <LaserJock> I can't tell how to get it
[03:30] <LaserJock> I'm in irssi
[03:30] <sbalneav> ah, ok.
[03:30] <sbalneav> ummm
[03:31] <sbalneav> hm
[03:31] <LaserJock> wahoo, recieving
[03:32] <sbalneav> I closed it, try again
[03:34] <LaserJock> got it
[03:35] <sbalneav> coolio
[03:37] <LaserJock> so these have all your changes?
[03:37] <sbalneav> yeah, so far
[03:37] <sbalneav> When's our deadline?
[03:38] <LaserJock> well
[03:38] <LaserJock> ASAP
[03:38] <LaserJock> we're already past the doc team's string freeze
[03:39] <LaserJock> and we're at Beta Freeze
[03:39] <sbalneav> Well, if it went on the disk now, it's at least accurate.
[03:40] <sbalneav> and much more complete than before
[03:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:42] <sbalneav> The naming's been reoganized
[03:42] <LaserJock> what we need is to get stuff for the translators to work on
[03:42] <LaserJock> if we have some minor changes here and there it's fine
[04:00] <sbalneav> Well, it's ltsp5 accrurate now, and the boot process is explained.
[04:00] <sbalneav> The manual's about tripled in size since we started, between my ltsp stuff and cbx33's SCP section
[04:00] <sbalneav> but he needs to pat ch that up quick for the rename to TCM
[04:00] <LaserJock> ah
[04:00] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ok, well I need to take a quick shower
[04:00] <LaserJock> sbalneav: then I'll get these changes into the svn repo
[04:00] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: LaserJock++
[04:00] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: LaserJock
[04:00] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock is Jordan Mantha
[04:16] <LaserJock> at least she knows who I am
[04:21] <Burgundavia> hmm, no cbx33 yet
[04:21] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: she?
[04:23] <bimberi> calimer: Lots of similarities between Alice and Kahootz.  The latter is not really focussed on teaching programming, just animation/content-creation. Hence it works well for early ages (the class I helped out with was Year 1 (5/6 year olds))
[04:24] <bimberi> edubuntugirl: Burgundavia
[04:24] <edubuntugirl> bimberi: I'm not following you...
[04:24] <Burgundavia> ahh
[04:24] <bimberi> edubuntugirl: LaserJock
[04:24] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock is Jordan Mantha
[04:24] <Burgundavia> edubuntugirl: Burgundavia
[04:24] <edubuntugirl> Burgundavia: *blink*
[04:24] <Burgundavia> hope
[04:24] <Burgundavia> nope, rather
[04:24] <Burgundavia> edubuntugirl: Burgwork
[04:24] <edubuntugirl> Burgundavia: what?
[04:24] <crimsun> Alice really doesn't work all that well
[04:24] <bimberi> Burgundavia: so _she_ doesn't know who you are :)
[04:25] <Burgundavia> hmm
[04:25] <Burgundavia> a frequent problem i have with women :)
[04:25] <crimsun> people still get caught up in the ideas of dragging and dropping instead of the problem solving aspects that Alice attempts to present
[04:26] <bimberi> crimsun: hmmk
[04:27] <bimberi> crimsun: At first site I'm reminded of Squeak
[04:27] <crimsun> squeak is nice
[04:27] <crimsun> we use ultimate++
[04:28] <crimsun> some of the first-semester students do 3 weeks of Alice then move on to ultimate++
[04:28] <crimsun> we evaluated Alice for 2 years
[04:31] <LaserJock> argg, that reminds me
[04:32] <LaserJock> I need to repackage squeak
[04:32] <Burgundavia> have they solved the issue?
[04:33] <LaserJock> which one?
[04:33] <Burgundavia> the squeak licensing issue
[04:34] <bimberi> argh - s/site/sight/
[04:34] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: no, I don't think that'll ever resolved
[04:35] <Burgundavia> ahh
[04:36] <Burgundavia> isn't it just a font issue?
[04:39] <Amaranth> edubuntugirl: Amaranth
[04:39] <edubuntugirl> Amaranth: *blink*
[04:39] <Amaranth> aww
[04:41] <bimberi> edubuntugirl: sabdfl
[04:41] <edubuntugirl> sabdfl is Mark Shuttleworth
[04:45] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I'm not exactly sure, but I think it has to do with it's Apple heritage
[04:45] <Burgundavia> I believe so as well, but I am uncertain as to what parts are apsl2
[04:47] <LaserJock> me neither
[04:48] <LaserJock> but I think it'll always be in Multiverse
[06:23] <Lameiro> hi. I am planning to submit a SoC proposal for Coon, but I don't see any names for mentors in Ubuntu pages. All I see are 2 names in the Ubuntu Feature Specification website. they are "encompass" and "Pete Savage". do you know if they are planning to mentor that?
[06:23] <Lameiro> or somebody else
[06:26] <LaserJock> well, I don't think the mentor list is finalized at all
[06:26] <LaserJock> Lameiro: what do you need?
[06:35] <LaserJock> Lameiro: wb
[06:37] <Lameiro> LaserJock: thank you. well, last msg i got was "well, I don't think the mentor list is finalized at all". did you say anybody else? damned isp, i am sorry
[06:37] <Lameiro> *anything
[06:37] <LaserJock> I just said:
[06:37] <LaserJock> Lameiro: what do you need?
[06:37] <Lameiro> a mentor name to put in the soc proposal
[06:38] <LaserJock> I don't think you need one yet
[06:38] <LaserJock> I don't know all the details of the SoC stuff
[06:38] <Lameiro> well. ok. i thought i did... thank you
[06:38] <LaserJock> but I'm pretty sure we don't even have a final list of mentors
[07:17] <ajmitch> LaserJock: going to apply?
[07:18] <LaserJock> for what?
[07:18] <LaserJock> oh, I did apply for SoC mentorship
[07:19] <LaserJock> but my application is "pending" so I need to poke Keybuk or doko
[07:21] <ajmitch> ok
[07:21] <LaserJock> well
[07:21] <LaserJock> we'll see if we even need it
[07:21] <ajmitch> though it'd just be your usual ubuntu time anyway :)
[07:22] <LaserJock> it actually would have been more fun/profitable to actually do a project
[07:22] <LaserJock> but I really don't have time for that
[07:22] <ajmitch> yep
[07:30] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[07:30] <cbx33> hey Lameiro
[07:30] <cbx33> hmmm
[07:30] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[07:31] <LaserJock> cbx33: I'm guessing you have some SoC email in you inbox ;-)
[07:32] <cbx33> not this morning actually
[07:32] <cbx33> but most days yes
[07:32] <cbx33> ;)
[07:32] <Lameiro> LaserJock: i didnt send it off.
[07:32] <Lameiro> cbx33: I see. do that is gonna be a hard one... eheh
[07:33] <cbx33> ???
[07:33] <Lameiro> i am sending you one in a few hours...
[07:33] <Lameiro> cbx33: i am applying for the Coon SoC project.
[07:33] <Burgundavia> coon?
[07:34] <cbx33> ahhh
[07:34] <highvoltage> gooooood morning!
[07:34] <Burgundavia> cbx33: had somebody by asking about the web front end to tcm
[07:34] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[07:34] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[07:34] <cbx33> awesome
[07:34] <cbx33> yes someone mailed me about that too
[07:34] <highvoltage> hey LaserJock, Burgundavia and cbx33
[07:35] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[07:35] <cbx33> hi Burgundavia
[07:35] <Lameiro> cbx33: can I assign you as the mentor for the SoC proposal?
[07:35] <cbx33> did you get a chance to scan that chapter yet Burgundavia ?
[07:36] <cbx33> Lameiro, well i suppose ;)
[07:36] <cbx33> I am looking to mentor that project
[07:36] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:36] <cbx33> if it gets approved
[07:36] <cbx33> hehehe
[07:36] <cbx33> too busy playing Wesnoth eh?
[07:36] <LaserJock> cbx33: he does have a life you know ;-)
[07:36] <cbx33> Oh.....
[07:36] <cbx33> sorry Burgundavia I thought you were like LaserJock and Me :p
[07:36] <cbx33> ha ha !!
[07:37] <Burgundavia> I even have a gf
[07:37] <cbx33> what a 3-dimensional...real girlfriend?
[07:37] <Burgundavia> today I sorted out the ubuntu sticker offer thingy
[07:37] <Burgundavia> which has languished for 6 months
[07:37] <Burgundavia> unlike you married bozos, I actually need to work to keep mine
[07:37] <LaserJock> hah
[07:37] <cbx33> hehe
[07:37] <LaserJock> yes, marriage is no work at all
[07:38] <cbx33> and she's into ubuntu sticker offers?
[07:38] <LaserJock> lol
[07:38] <cbx33> LaserJock, careful or I'll tell your good lady you said that ;)
[07:38] <Burgundavia> no, she was helping me with them
[07:38] <Burgundavia> and then we cleaned house
[07:38] <cbx33> ahh good old house cleaning
[07:38] <cbx33> *bah* i suck at that
[07:38] <Burgundavia> so do I
[07:38] <ajmitch> hey cbx33
[07:38] <cbx33> I always get told off
[07:38] <cbx33> hi ajmitch
[07:38] <Burgundavia> however, I am very good at cleaning other peoples houses
[07:38] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[07:38] <Burgundavia> Lameiro_: what did you mean by "coon"?
[07:39] <cbx33> Burgundavia, it's the name Jason gave to his project proposal
[07:39] <Burgundavia> ahh
[07:39] <Burgundavia> what is the project
[07:39] <cbx33> I was unaware of it's true meaning
[07:39] <Burgundavia> ?
[07:39] <cbx33> it's the gradebook idea
[07:39] <Burgundavia> coon in North America can mean "racoon"
[07:39] <Burgundavia> hence
[07:39] <Burgundavia> 'coon hunting
[07:39] <cbx33> for teachers to record students grades
[07:39] <Burgundavia> doesn't schooltool do that?
[07:39] <Burgundavia> ie: we don't need it
[07:40] <cbx33> well......school tool are doing some pilot on it
[07:40] <cbx33> but it's way off being finished
[07:40] <cbx33> but yes you're right
[07:40] <ajmitch> hello corey, what's up?
[07:41] <Burgundavia> not much
[07:41] <Burgundavia> about to head to bed
[07:41] <Burgundavia> so this is just a basic program?
[07:41] <cbx33> Unread -> Delete
[07:41] <ajmitch> haha
[07:41] <cbx33> it's genius
[07:42] <Burgundavia> wow
[07:42] <ajmitch> a pity I can't do that with ubuntu mail
[07:43] <ajmitch> people wouldn't like it if I deleted motu stuff from my inbox
[07:43] <ajmitch> ---Mutt: =launchpad [Msgs:292583 New:219736 Flag:1 Post:6 Inc:21 1539M] ---(threads/date)
[07:43] <ajmitch> 1.5GB of bugs
[07:43] <cbx33> heheh
[07:45] <Lameiro> cbx33: but, on the proposal it is suggested to use a mysql database. wouldnt it be more adequate to use a sqlite? (avoid deps)
[07:45] <cbx33> suggest that then ;)
[07:47] <Burgundavia> I would also build it in such a way that it could become a client to schooltool when that evolves
[07:47] <ajmitch> Lameiro: proposals are often put up by random community members
[07:47] <cbx33> yes
[07:48] <cbx33> see ya ajmitch
[07:49] <Burgundavia> night all
[07:58] <cbx33> nn Burgundavia
[08:00] <highvoltage> night Burgs
[11:33] <michpol> hi all. i've try to install edubuntu 6.06.1 over network. all seems ok during installation (i've select generic install by pressing <enter> at 'boot:'), but when after all i  restart PC for first time, edubuntu load in console mode only - no gdm installed. why? somebody try do so?
[01:09] <kigurai> Hi again
[01:10] <sayan_> o/
[01:41] <rockprincess> moin!
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi rockprincess :)
[01:44] <rockprincess> heeey Kamping_Kaiser! Whats up? How are ya doing? :D
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, i'm going busy, yourself? i'm jsut rearanging my work room (got a new desk, have to pull out about 10 old world macs to fit it in)
[01:48] <rockprincess> kamping_kaiser: i'm just about to put my book presentation together which is due tomorrow, and in about an hour i'll be leaving for school.....but good news is that i just got a notice from my assistant professor at uni that my dvds and case studies on educational foss have arrived :D
[01:50] <rockprincess> will pick them up tomorrow :D
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, awsome stuff :D
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, i 'quit' doing ubuntu-edu and edubuntu stuff a month ago to go overseas - still havent gone :|
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> been busy as heck anyway though
[01:51] <rockprincess> Kamping_Kaiser: overseas as going to the usa? will you pick up your (ed)ubuntu stuff once you've settled down?
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, no, going doing a network deployment in papua new guinea. 3 weeks there, 2 months getting ready :|
[01:53] <rockprincess> Kamping_Kaiser: wow, that sounds exciting! you
[01:53] <rockprincess> Kamping_Kaiser: you'll be missed here for sure ;)
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> it is exciting/scary. i was meant to be getting back about now, i wont be going for another month!
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, awww :)
[01:55] <rockprincess> has it been put back due to organizational matter?!
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> theres 5 organisations involved in getting it going, including a multinational - you imagine for yourself! :)
[01:56] <rockprincess> wow, sounds like a big deal, huh?! :D
[01:56] <rockprincess> what will be your tasks there?
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> get as far as i can through the todo list, including deploy 130 desktops, 20 laptops, do desktop training (10-20 hours)  on as many as posible, and server training (sigh hours) for 3 people
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> training desktop from the ground up is bad. training *the server admins* from scratch is going to be, shall we say, insane
[02:01] <rockprincess> ohhh no ;) sounds like a challenge plus it's for a good cause, isn't it?! ;)
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> i consider setting up foss in a hospital a good cause :)
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a challenge, but its on PNG time (ie 'it happens when it happens') , which wont help the todo list :|
[02:02] <rockprincess> speaking of insane...my computer is insane, my computer clock goes fast-forward....it displays 14:36 whereas my watch says 14:00 ...
[02:02] <rockprincess> hehe, never heard of PNG time ;)
[02:03] <rockprincess> ntpdate?
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> ntpdate ntp.adelaide.edu.au (ntpdate sets the time according to an ntp server)
[02:04] <rockprincess> does it have a gui? i once tried "chrony" which is a similar command line tool.....
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, its cli
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> night rockprincess
[02:08] <rockprincess> good night Kamping_Kaiser! Good Luck for your project!
[02:08] <rockprincess> :)
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, thanks, i'm sure i'll be in again before i go :)
[02:09] <rockprincess> cool :)
[03:07] <sbalneav> Monring all!
[03:07] <sbalneav> Hey ogra!  How's it going?  Refreshed my ISO last night, and did a re-install, and the chroot build was OK
[03:08] <sbalneav> ogra++
[03:09] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav!
[03:10] <bddebian> Heya folks
[03:10] <cliebow_> ok on ppc as well
[03:11] <highvoltage> hey bddebian
[03:12] <bddebian> Hi highvoltage
[03:14] <sbalneav> Hey highvoltage!
[03:14] <sbalneav> So, I wonder what linux persona I am
[03:15] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I see the site is back up :
[03:15] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I think you're the afficionado guy
[03:35] <sbalneav> Yeah, but the afficiondo guy only has 50% linux usage.
[03:35] <sbalneav> I'm 100% :)
[03:35] <ogra> sbalneav, yeah, beta looks good so far
[03:35] <sbalneav> ogra!!
[03:35] <sbalneav> I only have 1 minor problem, and I think I have a clue as to what it may be.
[03:35] <sbalneav> It didn't set up the network interface.
[03:35] <sbalneav> Now, on this box I have two interfaces
[03:35] <sbalneav> eth0's a GOOD card, intel EE pro 100
[03:35] <sbalneav> eth1's the crappy onboard VIA ethernet interface
[03:35] <ogra> that shouldnt matter at all
[03:35] <sbalneav> I use eth1 as the "primary"
[03:35] <ogra> as dhcp client ?
[03:35] <ogra> or static ?
[03:35] <sbalneav> yes
[03:35] <sbalneav> Should I statically define eth1?
[03:35] <sbalneav> I was wondering if maybe the detection code was assuming eth0 was "primary" and looking for eth1 to be the unused one.
[03:36] <sbalneav> Where, on the install cd, would I find the scripts that do that bit?  Or is that in the initramfs on the cd's kernel?
[03:40] <cbx33> hey ogra, sbalneav
[03:40] <ogra> do you get a message during install about the interface ?
[03:40] <cbx33> seen linuxMCE?
[03:40] <cbx33> that looks so cool
[03:40] <cbx33> and based on ubuntu too
[03:40] <ogra> or does it just not work after install ?
[03:45] <ogra> sbalneav, the script is in the ltsp source. it's the postinst of ltsp-client-builder
[03:47] <highvoltage> cbx33: wow, linuxmce looks cool
[03:48] <cbx33> i know
[03:48] <cbx33> sucks that the bandwidth has gone
[03:48] <cbx33> I wanted to install that tonight
[03:49] <cbx33> highvoltage: quite a small project by the looks of it too
[03:49] <cbx33> just one guy working on it
[03:50] <cliebow_> cbx33: i see an import for ltcm..but it doesnt seem available
[03:50] <cliebow_> in scp
[03:52] <sbalneav> ogra: No, didn't get a message about the interface
[03:52] <ogra> aha
[03:53] <ogra> can you check if the interface is up and running *before* you log in on the server ?
[03:54] <ogra> seems we have a little problem with network manager hogging *all* interfaces
[03:54] <cliebow_> network mangler..
[03:54] <sbalneav> Before I log in?  That would be after install, right?
[03:54] <sbalneav> So, it doesn't configure that interface on install?
[03:55] <sbalneav> I'm using the server install cd, not the desktop cd, just to be clear
[03:55] <ogra> it configures that interface on install
[03:55] <ogra> it adds it to /etc/network/interfaces
[03:55] <sbalneav> On mine, it didn't
[03:56] <sbalneav> does network manager run on the server install cd? I didn't check
[03:56] <ogra> and you didnt get any message from the installer about that ?
[03:56] <sbalneav> No
[03:56] <sbalneav> nada
[03:56] <sbalneav> Nicht
[03:56] <sbalneav> nein
[03:56] <ogra> is your dhcp range something with 192.168.0 ?
[03:56] <ogra> for the outbound interface i mean
[03:57] <sbalneav> hehehe no!  I deliberately changed my entire home network to 10.0.0.x to rule that out.
[03:57] <sbalneav> :)
[03:57] <sbalneav> I ain't half so dumb as I look :)
[03:57] <ogra> do you get both interfaces offered at the beginning ?
[03:57] <ogra> and have to select one ?
[03:57] <sbalneav> Yeah, got both at the beginning, and chose eth1
[03:58] <ogra> hmm
[03:58] <sbalneav> so eth0's the un-configured one.
[03:58] <sbalneav> now, here's a question:
[03:58] <maccam94> hi, i'm on my town's technology comittee, and one of the things we're deciding on is what operating system the school's computers should use for the next few years. we have 700 computers (P4 2Ghz, 256mb ram, hard disks) on an ethernet network, and one of the options I am considering presenting is a thick client ubuntu setup (OS/Apps on the clients, user data and configuration files on a network share). anyone know what sort of tools/settings would be
[03:58] <maccam94> needed?
[03:59] <sbalneav> is there a way to do an iftab thingy on install, to switch 'em around?  I'm wondering if it wants the active interface to be eth0 and the empty interface to be eth1
[03:59] <ogra> it doesnt
[03:59] <ogra> see the code
[04:00] <sbalneav> I'll lookie.
[04:00] <cliebow_> maccam94, your machines should run just fine..what tools would you want?
[04:02] <maccam94> cliebow, i'm looking for what applications I can propose using to manage deployment, updates, and users, what sort of configuration needs to be done to get a networked /home directory, and how to be able to push changes to .conf files in /etc to all machines easily
[04:03] <sbalneav> maccam94: ubuntu boxes are easy to update with the APT package system.  Users can all be handled through LDAP authentication (it's what we do), and networked home dirs are easy-peasy in any Linux.
[04:04] <sbalneav> As for syncing config files, there's literally dozens to admin tools available, but simple's sometimes the best.  A quick bit of rsync will keep your boxes up to date config file wise.
[04:04] <maccam94> sbalneav, are there any good GUI interfaces for setting up and managing LDAP, and do you know of any good howtos on creating a LDAP setup?
[04:05] <sbalneav> There's a web based ldap manger for Linux out there, but I tend to use a gui app called gq.  It's basic, but it allows for full control over the ldap database.
[04:06] <sbalneav> The real power of Linux, however, is in scripting.  Rather than sit and plunk through 1500 ldap updates one-at-a-time in a gui, with a quick bit of python programming, you can automate most tasks from jobs that will take hours, to literally seconds.
[04:11] <Pitze> Hi! I'm currently installing edubuntu on my laptop.. Is anyone willing to help me with the partitioning? I'm not sure how to do it.
[04:11] <sbalneav> Pitze: are you getting rid of windows?
[04:11] <maccam94> Yeah, the scripting was one of the things that I think will make doing individual user authentication easier on the admin. (instead of manually creating 1500 users, just plunk a script down to translate a class listing).  the question is whether he'll learn the language...
[04:11] <maccam94> anyhow
[04:11] <Pitze> sbalneav:  nope, I have gentoo on it, but want to install edubuntu on one of my partitions
[04:11] <Pitze> sbalneav: I have 4 partitions, one ext2 boot, one swap and 2 ext3.. where I have gentoo on sda3 and want to have ubuntu on sda4
[04:11] <sbalneav> Ah, multi partition.  Well, you should just be able to select the partition you want on the install.
[04:11] <Pitze> well how do I tell the installation to do it there.. I have some important stuff on the other partition :P I'll just format that part and not format the rest?
[04:12] <maccam94> how much of a load on the network do you think LDAP would create?
[04:13] <sbalneav> Pitze: I'd say so, usually it gives you that option.  You have, of course, a BACKUP of your machine, right?
[04:14] <Pitze> nope :] 
[04:14] <sbalneav> maccam94: Next to nothing.  LDAP doesn't generate that much
[04:14] <Pitze> it's not worth money, but time :P
[04:14] <sbalneav> Pitze: So, what you're saying is, you're time's worth nothing, right?
[04:14] <sbalneav> :)
[04:14] <Pitze> haha :P
[04:15] <sbalneav> s/things/thinks
[04:15] <Pitze> but I guess if it says "no, keep existing data" it should be saved :P
[04:15] <maccam94> ok, are there any downsides of LDAP that anyone can think of? i'm trying to figure out what the other people in the comittee would want to know...
[04:15] <sbalneav> maccam94: As well, you can run a slave ldap server on each machine, which will keep almost all ldap traffic off the network.
[04:16] <sbalneav> The only downside to ldap is that it's sometimes a bit of a bear to set up.  Once you've got it going, though, it works fine.
[04:16] <sbalneav> And, you can always come here for help.  Several of us, myself included, use LDAP for auth.
[04:18] <pips1> just a quick ping to say that I tried installing the daily 2007-03-20 and failed at the partitioning stage
[04:19] <Pitze> sbalneav:  hmm.. I guess the "Install the base system" is where I choose which partition to install it to?
[04:20] <Pitze> sbalneav: meaning when I push "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk" he (the install program) will only format those partitions I told him to? :P
[04:20] <sbalneav> Like I say, stop and do a backup.
[04:20] <sbalneav> I NEVER recommend installing to a disk that you don't have a backup for.
[04:22] <Pitze> problem is that my gentoo kind of crashed when I did something, so I can't start gentoo anymore.. how can I do a backup? you said "rsync backup", meaning?
[04:23] <Pitze> I could boot on a livecd and ssh it to a server..
[04:23] <Pitze> scp it I meant
[04:24] <Pitze> I can't burn a cd out of it, can I?
[04:24] <Pitze> or I guess I could if I ran it through the live cd...
[04:57] <rockprincess> the kids love ktouch :) wow
[05:03] <rockprincess> hmm nobody here? :(
[05:15] <kigurai> I am
[05:18] <rockprincess> cool ;)
[05:19] <kigurai> Yeah, I guess so :)
[05:20] <rockprincess> kigurai, what are you up to?
[05:20] <kigurai> Mostly lurking awaiting the return of cbx33. Was talking to him before but I guess he had to run away
[05:22] <rockprincess> kigurai: ahh i see, I'm waiting for cbx33 to arrive as well....
[05:23] <kigurai> What a coincidence :)
[05:23] <kigurai> Seems like a busy fellow ;)
[05:24] <rockprincess> hehe indeed!
[05:26] <rockprincess> hey juliux :)
[05:26] <kigurai> rockprincess: Are you also a developer?
[05:26] <juliux> hi rockprincess
[05:26] <rockprincess> kigurai: hehe no, just a user :)
[05:27] <kigurai> rockprincess: Ah, I see. A teacher then?
[05:27] <rockprincess> kigurai: hehe not really, I'm just a computer science student doing my bachelor thesis based on educational software e.g edubuntu :) and you?
[05:28] <kigurai> rockprincess: computer engineering student who is interested in the Google Summer of Code :)
[05:28] <rockprincess> kigurai: ahhhhh are you dodo?
[05:28] <kigurai> "dodo"?
[05:30] <rockprincess> kigurai: ahh sorry messed it up "doko" but apparently not.......he told me about his idea for Google Summer of Code.....
[05:31] <kigurai> Ah, ok. But no, I am not him :)
[05:31] <rockprincess> kigurai: what do you want to do for GSoC?
[05:31] <kigurai> I am interested in the web frontend to the thin client manager
[05:33] <rockprincess> cool
[05:33] <rockprincess> kigurai: i love this idea: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2007/teachers-gradebook
[05:34] <kigurai> rockprincess: Actually that one was what I was interested in first. But cbx33 advised me to go for the web frontend instead
[05:34] <kigurai> But yes, it sure sounds like a fun project :)
[05:37] <kigurai> So, exactly what is your thesis about? And how's it going? :)
[05:46] <rockprincess> kigurai: sorry, i was just unloading the dishwasher....
[05:47] <kigurai> np
[05:49] <rockprincess> kigurai: my bachelor thesis is about the usuage of educational free and open source software....basically about edubuntu in general, how the students are coping with it, what they like better, what they do not like about edubuntu....i've picked 3-4 apps that i'm now user-testing with my test-groups :)
[05:52] <kigurai> So, it is some sort of usability testing then?
[05:55] <rockprincess> yep, indeed!
[05:55] <rockprincess> brb
[05:59] <Laser_away> sbalneav: do a svn up yet?
[06:07] <kigurai> Now off for some food, and then kendo practice :)
[06:57] <sbalneav> Laser_away: hey, I did, but it's not the same as what I sent you, was it?
[06:57] <sbalneav> I had "workstation.xml" and "server.xml", etc.
[07:07] <LaserJock> sbalneav: it should be there
[07:08] <LaserJock> sbalneav: btw, are you getting the trunk or feisty branch
[07:17] <LaserJock> anybody know where RichEd is?
[07:22] <LaserJock> ogra or ogra_ : would a dynamic menus GUI be worth a SoC project?
[07:27] <sbalneav> ummm
[07:27] <sbalneav> Maybe I'm getting trunk
[07:28] <sbalneav> how do I got feisty? :)
[07:28] <LaserJock> well, I added your stuff to trunk as well
[07:29] <LaserJock> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[07:29] <LaserJock> bah
[07:29] <LaserJock> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/feisty ubuntu-doc-feisty
[07:29] <sbalneav> Sheep?
[07:30] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you don't see your changes when you svn up?
[07:30] <sbalneav> I'm checking out the feisty one now.
[07:31] <sbalneav> Sooooo, who do I slip a $20 to to get write access to the svn server? :)
[07:31] <LaserJock> make it a lunch in Spain and it's a deal
[07:31] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:32] <sbalneav> You were gonna get a dinner from me anyway :)
[07:32] <sbalneav> Exciterated yet?
[07:33] <sbalneav> yeah, it's in the feisty one.
[07:33] <LaserJock> but not trunk?
[07:34] <sbalneav> As of thismorning, nyet.
[07:35] <LaserJock> oh heck, I know what I did
[07:35] <LaserJock> I applied the diff
[07:35] <LaserJock> but forgot to svn add the new files and svn rm the old ones
[07:38] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ok, try now
[07:38] <sbalneav> okiedokie, trying
[07:39] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: LaserJock++
[07:39] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: karma LaserJock
[07:39] <edubuntugirl> sbalneav: LaserJock has karma of 4
[07:39] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: karma sbalneav
[07:39] <edubuntugirl> sbalneav: sbalneav has karma of 3
[07:40] <sbalneav> LaserJock > sbalneav
[07:40] <cliebow_> his fung-shwei aint so bad either..
[07:40] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: karma ogra
[07:40] <edubuntugirl> sbalneav: ogra has karma of 4
[07:40] <sbalneav> That seems way too low
[07:40] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: ogra++
[07:41] <LaserJock> yeah, there's no way I have more karma than ogra
[07:42] <LaserJock> sbalneav: have any SoC ideas for Edubuntu?
[07:42] <LaserJock> something light and fluffy that the SoC kiddies would enjoy?
[07:44] <Burgwork> sbalneav: the person you need to talk to is mdke
[07:46] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I've already pinged him
[07:46] <cliebow_> edubuntugirl: karma cliebow
[07:46] <edubuntugirl> cliebow_: cliebow has neutral karma
[07:46] <Burgwork> saw that
[07:46] <cliebow_> at least it is not negative
[07:46] <LaserJock> Burgwork: don't make me lose my free lunch ;-)
[07:46] <Burgwork> oh, right
[07:47] <Burgwork> sbalneav: I will do it for the price of a coffee :)
[07:47] <LaserJock> doh
[07:55] <sbalneav> Hmmm, an SOC project.....
[07:56] <sbalneav> You know what we need MORE THAN FLIPPING ANYTHING?!?!
[07:56] <sbalneav> is to get the graphical gnome user and group manager LDAP aware.
[07:57] <sbalneav> Solving the other LDAP problems are fairly easy: we just need to turn the crank
[07:57] <LaserJock> I'm interested in that, from the dynamic menus standpoint
[07:57] <sbalneav> however, once you HAVE ldap, there's no "good" way to manage it simply
[07:57] <LaserJock> so could that be done sort of independently of ldap?
[07:57] <sbalneav> Apart from GQ, which, although workable, is hardly a beginners tool.
[07:58] <sbalneav> It could be, I suspect, here's why
[07:58] <sbalneav> If the app is re-written to use the actual getpwent() and getgrent() libc calls
[07:59] <sbalneav> rather than actually LOOKING AT THE /etc/passwd AND /etc/group FILES (Thats SO 1980's)...
[07:59] <sbalneav> then, with a properly functioning LDAP setup, you could manage it right from the simple user-and-group manager.
[08:00] <sbalneav> this == win for new admins.
[08:01] <LaserJock> so that'd be more of a Gnome project right? we wouldn't need to make it Edubuntu specific?
[08:01] <sbalneav> Well, technically more of a Gnome project, I guess, but it could show up first in Edubuntu as patches to the user manager
[08:02] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:02] <sbalneav> I've got this fellow Sayan who wants to do a math-test generator for school age kids, that'd be pretty cherry.
[08:03] <LaserJock> although I don't really see the Gnome user-and-group tool as being very nice for large numbers of users
[08:03] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I'm sending in a mentorship application and Keybuk wanted projects I'd be interested in mentoring and if I had any new ideas
[08:04] <sbalneav> That's my next project for SOC for you
[08:04] <sbalneav> bulk user addition deletion
[08:04] <sbalneav> Text file with:
[08:04] <sbalneav> ADD firstname lastname
[08:04] <LaserJock> I was thinking I could put dynamic menus on there
[08:04] <sbalneav> DELETE firstname lastname
[08:04] <sbalneav> Dynmenus would be a good one.
[08:05] <sbalneav> so theres 3 idears right there.
[08:05] <LaserJock> I was thinking of a graphical theme switcher for Edubuntu
[08:05] <sbalneav> Here's another one that would be a huge win:  although it's complicated.
[08:06] <LaserJock> where you can easily switch betwen young, plain, and old or whatever they're called these days
[08:06] <Burgwork> sbalneav: making the gnome user thing ldap aware is on the gnome soc list, because I pu ti there
[08:06] <LaserJock> ah excellent
[08:07] <Burgwork> another cool idea would be to do a basic interface for very young children
[08:07] <sbalneav> Now that java's open source, replace the crack-induced sound calls writing to /dev/dsp with proper gstreamer calls, and bundle a fixed up java engine with edubuntu that will run java based kids games over thin client WITH sound, right out of the box.
[08:07] <Burgwork> basically a pygtk interface with big buttons
[08:07] <Burgwork> I believe pulse audio is the way to go for that
[08:07] <sbalneav> sure, but it's still a shim
[08:08] <sbalneav> we have to emulate a soundcard locally, as opposed to proper gstreamer calls.
[08:08] <Burgwork> well, I don't know there is a better way
[08:08] <LaserJock> Burgwork: keybuk asked me what kind of outside projects I'd be interested in. Do you have any idea what he means by that?
[08:08] <sbalneav> here's a good one: port the OLPC sexy desktop to edubuntu.
[08:08] <Burgwork> sugar?
[08:08] <Burgwork> LaserJock: "outside" projects?
[08:08] <Burgwork> I have no idea
[08:09] <Burgwork> I wonder if they are fishing to hire you
[08:09] <sbalneav> is that what it's called?
[08:09] <LaserJock> I wondered if he meant outside Ubuntu or what
[08:09] <LaserJock> Burgwork: hire me? I'm just volunteering to mentor SoC
[08:09] <Burgwork> yes, the interface is called sugar
[08:09] <Burgwork> you are a good MOTU manager, I would hire you
[08:12] <LaserJock> well, I keep saying I'm a chemist not a distro developer
[08:12] <LaserJock> but I seem to be getting further in Ubuntu than I am in Chemistry :/
[08:21] <Burgwork> if you love something, do it
[08:21] <Burgwork> sbalneav: how good is your perl knowledge?
[08:25] <sbalneav> Burgwork: Minimal at best.  I'm more fluent in python.
[08:26] <sbalneav> But C's what I do best.
[08:33] <Burgwork> right
[08:33] <Burgwork> because,afaik, the backend for the gnome tools is perl
[08:35] <LaserJock> it is?
[08:35] <Burgwork> the gnome-system-tools
[08:35] <LaserJock> Burgwork: "another cool idea would be to do a basic interface for very young children"
[08:35] <LaserJock> what do you mean by that?
[08:35] <Burgwork> some sort of a complete interface for young children
[08:36] <Burgwork> basically a full screen app that can launch a few other apps
[08:36] <LaserJock> mhm
[08:36] <Burgwork> replacing the whoel desktop/panel, etc.
[08:36] <Burgwork> http://system-tools-backends.freedesktop.org/faq.html <-- LaserJock
[08:37] <LaserJock> hmm, squeak is kinda like that
[08:37] <LaserJock> or full screen gcompris
[08:38] <LaserJock> Burgwork: perhaps that's why ogra wanted to rewrite the user-and-group manager
[08:38] <LaserJock> or at least something like that
[08:38] <Burgwork> basically
[08:39] <Burgwork> however, another set of distro specific tools is not what we need
[08:39] <LaserJock> no, but sometimes it's easier to start in the distro and move back upstream
[08:39] <cliebow_> we're dying here for programs that do the same work as lexia..read180...plato..im losing "market share" for my terminals every day cause good 6-12 remedial stuff isnt available
[08:40] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:40] <LaserJock> I really think we need more good-quality educational apps
[08:41] <LaserJock> but it seems nobody wants to work on that much :(
[08:41] <cliebow_> like "what he said"
[08:41] <LaserJock> we had a couple of SoC projects last year for edu apps
[08:41] <cliebow_> lexia promised me thet were working on a linux versdion..it already works in Macosx
[08:42] <LaserJock> but I don't know if they got much of anywere
[08:42] <cliebow_> but nothing has happened
[08:44] <cliebow_> SoC?>
[08:45] <LaserJock> Google Summer of Code
[08:45] <cliebow_> Than you!
[08:47] <LaserJock> I think we have a definate lack of reading programs
[09:01] <LaserJock> cliebow_: what kinds of apps are most needed for you?
[09:02] <LaserJock> seems like reading apps are kinda hard to find
[09:02] <sbalneav> cliebow_ needs a typing tutor :)
[09:02] <LaserJock> or maybe I'm not looking in the right places
[09:02] <LaserJock> I think we have one of those
[09:02] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:02] <cliebow_> cliebow himself needs one..
[09:03] <sbalneav> That's what I meant.
[09:03] <sbalneav> :)
[09:03] <cliebow_> let me get back to you..ill grab the read180 teacher...
[09:03] <cliebow_> well..ill ask her kindly for input i mean  ^_^
[09:08] <cliebow_> later...
[09:35] <kigurai> Hello...
[09:58] <Burgwork> crap, missed sbalneav
[09:58] <cbx33> hey Burgwork
[09:58] <Burgwork> hey cbx33
[10:14] <ajmitch> hi
[11:47] <mattva01> quick question, has anyone here ever used apt-mirror to create a ubuntu mirror?