[12:15] <Majost> ack
[12:15] <Majost> sorry
[12:15] <Majost> heh
[12:15] <crimsun> np
[12:15] <Majost> I think the last thing you asked was what is the real problem
[12:16] <Majost> perceptive sound volume with the ac97_codec is one
[12:16] <Majost> and the other is the hda...
[12:16] <crimsun> right, the latter is far more difficult than the former
[12:17] <crimsun> do you have the debugging info (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems , particularly the /proc/asound/card0/codec97*/* ) dump?
[12:17] <crimsun> (for AC '97-based)
[12:18] <Majost> any info would be helpful..
[12:18] <Majost> =)
[12:18] <crimsun> right, but to help, I need that info
[12:18] <crimsun> i.e., cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97*/*
[12:18] <crimsun> (using http://pastebin.ca )
[12:19] <Majost> np
[12:20] <Majost> I am Ryan btw
[12:21] <Majost> pastebin.ca/405819
[12:23] <crimsun> Majost: are you using the latest available feisty kernel?
[12:23] <Majost> 2.6.20-9-lowlatency
[12:23] <crimsun> (either 2.6.20-12.19 or 2.6.20-12.20 would suffice)
[12:23] <crimsun> err, you're several revisions behind
[12:23] <Majost> I see
[12:26] <Majost> May have to wait until tonight to test it against the new kernel... we will need to resync most likely.
[12:27] <Majost> =/
[12:29] <Majost> In any event, I have a good chunk of hardware I can test against... so I will be at your disposal if you would like.
[12:31] <crimsun> I'm normally reachable here on Freenode during non-USA business hours
[12:31] <crimsun> I'm based in EDT (-0400 GMT), so reasonable hours are appreciated
[12:31] <Majost> np
[12:31] <Majost> -0800 here
[12:39] <crimsun> just to note, the perceptive loudness issue is likely caused by the TLV feature addition
[12:39] <naught101> it would be useful to have a button to get OUT of administrator mode once you're in it in system config
[12:41] <Majost> any suggestions for getting more involved with the testing aspect of things?
[12:42] <crimsun> Majost: I can give you a patch in ~2.5 hours that will revert the culprit for testing, but I need to know the precise linux-source tree you're using
[12:43] <crimsun> Majost: that's ~2.5 hours IF my current work is completed
[12:44] <Majost> heh
[12:44] <Majost> np
[12:47] <firephoto> crimsun: I have to use 'options snd-hda-intel model=ref' with my SigmaTel STAC9227 for the mic to work and the mixer labels to seem more appropriate. is that something that needs fixed?
[12:49] <crimsun> firephoto: likely. Pastebin your ``lspci -vvn && cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*''
[12:53] <firephoto> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/405850
[12:54] <crimsun> firephoto: ok, so the default of STAC_D965_3ST doesn't work correctly?
[12:54] <crimsun> firephoto: that is, for you, model=3stack
[12:54] <firephoto> crimsun: no, the mic won't work and it shows a line in but that doesn't work either. standard stereo sound works.
[12:55] <crimsun> ok, noted, will push later.
[12:56] <firephoto> crimsun: it appears that I can't have line in and mic at the same time? is that the correct behavior?
[12:56] <crimsun> firephoto: more precise, please.
[12:57] <firephoto> well, it shows the in the mixer i have to choose either the mic, or line in as the input source. no slide option for both line in and mic.
[01:02] <crimsun> -EPARSE
[01:03] <crimsun> (please rephrase)
[01:08] <firephoto> crimsun: I can't use the rear jack at the same time I use the front jack.
[01:10] <crimsun> firephoto: that's a routing issue. It may be intentional; I haven't read the 965 sheets.
[01:44] <naught101> anyone know how to choose between two media plugins for firefox (mplayer+totem) if you have both installed?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> naught101: in firefox?  no.  try #ubuntu
[01:46] <naught101> whoops.. wrong channel
[01:46] <Hobbsee> heh :)
[02:36] <jjesse> so i just got off the phone w/ the hotel's tech support and apparently i got banned from accessing the internet for no reason
[02:36] <jjesse> i blame linux :)
[02:36] <Tm_T> eh
[02:37] <jjesse> i wasn't getting any outside access and i couldn't figure out why
[02:37] <jjesse> so i called the hotel's tech support
[02:37] <jjesse> and they said there was a port ban on my room
[02:37] <Jucato> O.o
[02:37] <jjesse> i asked why and they didn't have a reason other then i was using a peer to peer client
[02:37] <jjesse> and i wasn't
[02:37] <Hobbsee> jjesse: dodgy
[02:38] <jjesse> i wonder wht the real reason
[02:38] <jjesse> was
[02:38] <Tm_T> jjesse: they couldn't dig in to your system with their worms ;)
[02:39] <jjesse> Tm_T: like i said i blame linux :)
[02:39] <Tm_T> blame them instead
[02:39] <jjesse> i did, i told them that it was no way to treat a gold member of the hotel
[02:40] <jjesse> they removed the ban
[02:40] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!
[02:40] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato!
[02:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee: too bad you missed the part last night were a C++ programmer was offering his services for the good of Kubuntu :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: nice.  who was it?
[02:42] <Jucato> waylandbill
[02:42] <Hobbsee> right
[02:42] <Jucato> Riddell already got him working on adept-related stuff :)
[02:43] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:43] <manchicken> I'm in New York City right now.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:43] <manchicken> And BOY am I glad I don't live here.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:45] <Hobbsee> why am i not surprised
[02:46] <Jucato> I'll probably die from hypothermia anyway...
[02:46] <Tm_T> Jucato ?
[02:47] <Tm_T> manchicken: what's wrong?
[02:47] <manchicken> About New York?
[02:47] <manchicken> There's plenty wrong with New York :)
[02:47] <Tm_T> manchicken: anything particular this time?
[02:48] <Tm_T> Jucato: hmm, -40'C reached about every winter here
[02:48] <manchicken> It's covered in rubbish.
[02:48] <manchicken> This city smells like a rubbish tip.
[02:48] <Tm_T> aah, that's bad
[02:48] <manchicken> And I'm not exaggerating, and I do know what one smells like :)
[02:49] <Jucato> Tm_T: dude... the coldest temp here doesn't go below 20C...
[02:49] <Tm_T> manchicken: I've been working in rubbish tip
[02:49] <Tm_T> so that smell IS familiar :)
[02:49] <manchicken> I've studied one for uni once.
[02:50] <Tm_T> Jucato: heh, well, winter is time when temp is -20 and summer it's +20 so I think we have good balance here :)
[02:51] <manchicken> It's nice to be in a city like New York to make you really appreciate living in a small town :)
[02:51] <Jucato> summer here reaches 34C+...
[06:59] <lontra> will k3b 1.0 make it into feisty?
[07:04] <giangy> lontra: yep, soon I hope =)
[07:05] <lontra> giangy: sweet :D
[07:05] <lontra> i look forward to it
[07:15] <nixternal> Jucato: this is annoying the heck out of me with Konqueror and these silly passwords
[07:15] <Jucato> :(
[07:17] <ajmitch> nixternal: switch to gnome, you know you want to ;)
[07:18] <nixternal> Jucato: can you get rid of trolls in this channel :)
[07:19] <ajmitch> haha
[07:19] <Jucato> unfortunately... no :P
[07:19] <Jucato> you'd have to bear w/ this one :)
[07:19] <ajmitch> I'm sure hobbsee would be more than willing to kick me ;)
[07:19] <nixternal> Jucato: the bad part is he is a close KDE fan, just like his sidekick crimsun who works directly for Steve Ballmer
[07:20] <Jucato> oh that *is* bad :)
[07:22] <crimsun> that's ok, I have incriminating screencasts of nixternal using Vista happily.
[07:22] <ajmitch> heh
[10:42] <_StefanS_> hellows
[11:02] <Jucato> _StefanS_: hellows :)
[11:07] <screemo> Jucato: hey jucatoos
[11:08] <Jucato> hehe too many Jucatooos :)
[11:08] <_StefanS1_> is there a way to kill off your dead nick ?
[11:08] <Jucato>  /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password>
[11:08] <_StefanS1_> or maybe I just have to wait..
[11:08] <_StefanS1_> oh nice
[11:09] <Jucato> some say using recover and release is less drastic...
[11:09] <_StefanS_> doesn't matter, this works fine
[11:09] <Jucato> hehe :)
[11:09] <_StefanS_> anything new happening ?
[11:09] <Jucato> nothing new :)
[11:09] <_StefanS_> uhm ok..
[11:09] <Jucato> same old same old
[11:09] <_StefanS_> same ol' :)
[11:09] <Jucato> (meaning, same old bug w/ new logout + domino style :D)
[11:10] <waylandbill> :-)
[11:10] <mvo> could somone familiar with qt i18n help me with bug #91651 please? it probably trivial :)
[11:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91651 in language-selector "[apport]  qt-language-selector crashed with TypeError in _()" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91651
[11:10] <_StefanS_> Jucato:
[11:10] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hey bug the author of that nasty domino "patch" :)
[11:11] <Jucato> lol ok :)
[11:11] <Jucato> I guess Domino's the only one doing that...
[11:11] <_StefanS_> so far it seems..
[11:11] <Jucato> no biggie...
[11:11] <_StefanS_> looks like he does the classical mistake of not doing e->ignore for his events, thus domino absorbs all keystrokes
[11:12] <_StefanS_> even though they aren't being used.
[11:12] <Jucato> hm. ok..
[11:13] <_StefanS_> you should write him a note.
[11:14] <Jucato> I'll tell a friend who helped in fixing domino
[11:14] <Jucato> and I'll quote you
[11:16] <_StefanS_> got the new hamster yet ?
[11:16] <Jucato> sadly.. no :(
[11:17] <_StefanS_> was it a macbook or something ?
[11:17] <Jucato> nah
[11:17] <Jucato> TwinHead Pentium M 1.6Ghz w/ 512MB of RAM
[11:18] <_StefanS_> TwinHead?
[11:18] <_StefanS_> is that the brand ?
[11:19] <Jucato> yeah
[11:19] <_StefanS_> uhm dont know it
[11:19] <Jucato> yes. everybody doesn't seem to know it :D
[11:19] <Jucato> and I don't know **why** my sister agreed to that model
[11:20] <_StefanS_> too bad that wont take ddr2 modules.. I have a 512mb lying around
[11:21] <Jucato> it can't?
[11:21] <_StefanS_> nope its ddr..
[11:21] <_StefanS_> pc4300 or something
[11:22] <Jucato> ah
[11:22] <Jucato> hm.. brb really quick..
[02:00] <Tonio_> hi all
[02:01] <Jucato> moin Tonio_!
[02:01] <Tonio_> fine Jucato ?
[02:01] <Jucato> yep :)
[02:01] <Tonio_> I'm waiting for the freeze to end to start updloads
[02:02] <Jucato> beta freeze ends on saturday?
[02:02] <Riddell> on friday with any luck
[02:03] <Riddell> in the mean time, testing of today's images needed
[02:03] <Jucato> ah
[02:03] <Hobbsee> cds got pushed to friday.  cds appear to need....gah, Riddell types too fast
[02:03] <Jucato> hi Riddell
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I've seen beta is discarded due to kernel issue
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test today'simage
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: postponed, not discarded
[02:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's the good word, yes, but you know my limited english :)
[02:05] <Jucato> which is good enough (your english) :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: :)  it's good enough
[02:05] <Tonio_> not as good as I'd like to.... vocabulary sometimes limits me
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you dont speak to me in french and expect me to understand you, and look at me like i'm stupid when I dont.  that's still a lot better than some people at work.
[02:06] <kwwii> your first mistake is letting a frenchman think he can speak english well - it'll go to his head :p
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:06] <kwwii> hi Tonio_ ;-)
[02:06] <Tonio_> hey kwwii :)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hrm, lots to test
[02:06] <Tonio_> kwwii: true that globally french aren't very good in english....
[02:07] <Jucato> lol
[02:07] <Tonio_> kwwii: but people of english mother tong are globally even worse at practicing any language :)
[02:07] <Jucato> (annma's pretty good)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh.  yes, there are some shocking native english speakers
[02:07] <Tonio_> raphink is good too ;)
[02:08] <Tonio_> kwwii is the exception, due to his perfect german ;)
[02:08] <Tonio_> the thing french are good at is bad words
[02:08] <Tonio_> I can insult people with abot 10 languages :)
[02:08] <Tonio_> s/abot/about
[02:08] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:08] <Hobbsee> yes, of course
[02:09] <kwwii> Tonio_: lol, I get reminded almost every day that I have an accent :-)
[02:10] <Tonio_> I can in italian, english, french, spanish, polish, swiss german...
[02:10] <Tonio_> kwwii: that's the worst part, it is about impossible to be fluent without any accent at any other language but your native one....
[02:11] <Riddell> kwwii has a definate accent when speaking english too
[02:11] <Hobbsee> kwwii: dont worry.  i'll go to UDS, and everyone will tell me that i have an accent.  and i'm a native english speaker.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: haha :)
[02:11] <kwwii> hehe
[02:12] <kwwii> Riddell: worst of all, they keep asking me if I am english
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: promiss me you'l demonstrate me your french at next UDS !
[02:12] <kwwii> when my accent is plainly american
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can understand french so well, I'm pretty sure you can speak it too
[02:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that, I can do, pretty easy ;)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: :D
[02:14] <Tonio_> je dclare officiellement la journe francophone du channel #kubuntu-devel
[02:14] <Tonio_> raphink: je vais avoir besoin de soutient !
[02:14] <Jucato> I think the last time you and someone else spoke french in here entirely was December?
[02:14] <Riddell> terrible!
[02:14] <_StefanS_> argh.. I dont understand a thing..
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe, could well be
[02:15] <_StefanS_> but thats the usual for me :D
[02:15] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: ahhh, you've given me an idea of what to do with all this spare ram here...
[02:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: a visitor coming speaking french ?
[02:15] <Jucato> Tonio_: no. you were talking w/ raphink I thin
[02:15] <Jucato> think*
[02:15] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: so you're piling up some stuff too ? ;)
[02:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: good point using words that are the same in english and french hehe :)
[02:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes we sometimes do...
[02:15] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : Is the new bluetooth version already uploaded?
[02:16] <Tonio_> Jucato: but I'd say last time was in january with fabo
[02:16] <manchicken> J'ai un besoin de Diet Dew :)
[02:16] <Jucato> aaah
[02:16] <Jucato> Mt. Dew? :D
[02:16] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: dad left his old company, and got a pile of old machines, etc, which some work.  so we picked the ram out of those that didnt, and excesses otu of my old machine
[02:16] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: non, nous sont en le freeze pour beta
[02:16] <manchicken> Hells yeah.
[02:16] <Jucato> don't tempt me :(
[02:16] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: archives are frozen, I'll upload when freeze ends
[02:16] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: maybe you should talk to manchicken, he could probably use some of that for his compilefarm
[02:16] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: indeed.  should do that.
[02:16] <_StefanS_> show me the money .... !
[02:17] <_StefanS_> :D
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:17] <Hobbsee> money?  what money?
[02:17] <manchicken> Jucato: With what?  Diet Mountain Dew?  It's Calorie free my homie.
[02:17] <rbrunhuber> I'm sorry i only learned german, english and latin :-)
[02:17] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: ask Tonio_
[02:17] <_StefanS_> heh
[02:17] <Jucato> manchicken: any "mt.dew"... and we don't have diet around here :(
[02:17] <manchicken> Hells yeah I like free hardware.
[02:17] <_StefanS_> just jkoing around ..
[02:17] <manchicken> Remind me later to mail you a case of diet dew :)
[02:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I should be the mafioso here !
[02:19] <_StefanS_> off to corsica..
[02:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and I have an uncle from corsica too....
[02:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: have you shaken down some m$ software salesmen lately ?
[02:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: shame on me I keep beeing an honnest guy despite my origins.....
[02:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: for protection money i mean ?
[02:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: don't understand the question
[02:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: to shake down ?
[02:20] <_StefanS_> could someone elaborate on the issue ? :)
[02:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the mob usually want to be paid protection, so no "accidents" happens
[02:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nevermind, it was a joke too hehe
[02:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thats ok, as long as you're happy :)
[02:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you get that bluetooth thing done ?
[02:25] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: Comes to my favourate topic now :-)
[02:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I did
[02:25] <_StefanS_> oh nice
[02:26] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: probably building :)
[02:26] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : I did not hear this ...
[02:26] <Riddell> nixternal: how's the beta release page coming?
[02:29] <rbrunhuber> I have another "wish" for the bluez-utils package. We should explain clearer the arguments to hidd
[02:30] <rbrunhuber> the text in /etc/default/bluetooth is rather confusing.
[02:36] <manchicken> Wow, travelling isn't that hard afterall.
[02:37] <Riddell> depends on where you want to get to
[02:37] <manchicken> This NYC trip is helping me get over my flying jitters.
[02:37] <manchicken> I actually had a pretty good time flying to NYC on Tuesday.
[02:37] <manchicken> I'm actually looking forward to the flight home.
[02:38] <Riddell> New York eh?  Seen any mutant turtles yet?
[02:38] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: bluetooth HIDD should just be enabled by default
[02:38] <manchicken> Heh.
[02:38] <manchicken> Not yet.
[02:38] <manchicken> I do try to steer clear of the sewage system though.
[02:38] <Riddell> big statues of french women?
[02:38] <manchicken> Even though the sewage system doesn't return the favor.
[02:38] <manchicken> Saw one on the flight in.
[02:38] <manchicken> She looked kinda green and sickly though.
[02:38] <manchicken> ;)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> ew
[02:39] <manchicken> NYC is a fun place to visit, but I'm glad I don't live here.
[02:39] <manchicken> Though I've met a lot of great people.
[02:39] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: I think so too. It is always a big fun if you are not carfull at update and after the restart neither mouse nor keyboard works.
[02:40] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: we are the only ones using blutooth HID devices.
[02:40] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: Not true vprints does too: see bug 93147
[02:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 93147 in bluez-utils "Bluetooth mouse dosen't reconnect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93147
[02:41] <Jucato> I couldn't pair my phone with my pc since upgrading to feisty. probably the same bug.. but I'm too lazy to investigate :D
[02:42] <rbrunhuber> Jucato: Look forward to the new bluez-utils package. Your bug is already solved.
[02:42] <Jucato> ah kool
[02:43] <rbrunhuber> Jucato : But the package has not hit the archive yet. As Riddell said: non, nous sont en le freeze pour beta
[02:44] <Jucato> yep. :)
[02:44] <rbrunhuber> Maybe _StefanS_ can provide you with the packages. He did for me too
[02:45] <Jucato> nah I could wait  :)
[02:59] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_:  Could get it to build the bluez-utils package yesterday too... . I should not "double patch" the pin helper.
[03:05] <rbrunhuber> What is the memory footprint of the hidd?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> grrr, i really dont get why some people cant understand information that's laid out before them.
[03:10] <bddebian> Heya
[03:11] <Jucato> O.o
[03:11] <Hobbsee> "oh but i cant update directly from dapper to feisty!  it's promised that you can update from a LTS" "Yes, to the next LTS.  feisty is not a LTS"
[03:11] <Hobbsee> "feisty will not be a LTS, no matter how many times you bring it up"
[03:11] <Jucato> heh
[03:13] <Hobbsee> "i want the big size, in the soft pack"  "which colour?  lights or reds?"  "i want the big size, in the soft pack"  "okay, but that doesnt exist.  i've got big in the hard pack, or litlte in the softpack"  "i want the big size, in the soft pack"...repeat at infinitum.
[03:14] <bddebian> heh
[03:14] <Hobbsee> and off another woman.  no, we no longer have the miligrams on the cigarettes.  we havent for a couple of years.  no, they wont appear, just because you repeat your question.  no, i cant tell you what they are, as i dont know, as the info is no longer on there.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> the government decided to put quitting smoking messages on that panel.  not us.  too bad.  yes, we have put the price of smokes up.  i dont care if you said you bought them chepaer yesterday, you're not getting htem cheaper today.  we dont set the price.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> and i know for a fact that you *didnt* get them cheaper yesterday, as i'd sold them last week at that price.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> silly people.  where's my cluebat.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i should leave you to answer user support, it seems ;)
[03:18] <Jucato> wah? :/
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:19] <Hobbsee> still, some of the customers tonight got a great laugh out of the idiot on sunday.  so that was good :)
[03:21] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: Magic wands, cluebats, ... you start to scare me :-)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: *grin*
[03:21] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: magic wands dont exist.  that's the problem
[03:21] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: and you should be scared by the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
[03:27] <Hobbsee> argh...this is going to be a very long time on a plane...
[03:29] <crimsun> shush. you were sponsored.
[03:29] <crimsun> :-)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> i know that, otherwise i wouldnt be attempting it :P
[03:29] <Jucato> and yet she's complaining... :P
[03:29] <crimsun> (I know - the gall! ;-)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no, i'm looking at it, adn going "this looks big....really big..."
[03:29] <crimsun> the plane? Beats traveling in a small plane internationally, I think ;-0
[03:29] <Jucato> the gall of that gal from AU with her long pointy stick of doom
[03:30] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hehe, oh yeah
[03:35] <Hobbsee> oh, i'm travelling on a friday, which is why i'm getting so few flight choices
[03:35] <crimsun> heh, yeah
[03:35] <crimsun> I should just remove myself from the running for all sponsorship. This work schedule is ridiculous.
[03:35] <waylandbill> is Riddell around?
[03:35] <waylandbill> :)
[03:35] <Jucato> ok, tonight just isn't my night... now I'm cracking bad jokes... :/
[03:35] <waylandbill> I've written the code change, but don't know what to do next. I imagine a diff or patch has to be sent to him or something.
[03:40] <Riddell> hi waylandbill
[03:40] <Riddell> waylandbill: yes, a diff -u is good
[03:40] <waylandbill> I should email it?
[03:40] <Riddell> or put on a web server somewhere
[03:40] <waylandbill> even better. one minutes.
[03:40] <waylandbill> :-S
[03:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: bluez patch works here, thanks
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you'd do one step better thanme, i think
[03:46] <waylandbill> Riddell: http://silverbaseball.com/kubuntu_updater_Mar_22_2007.diff
[03:46] <crimsun> I live in right century on the right continent. Everyone else lives on the wrong continent in the wrong century.
[03:46] <Jucato> oh btw... wiki-using people: <annma> when i log in, it brings my page in, how can I go back to the page I was?
[03:47] <sebas> back button? :-)
[03:47] <sebas> Then reload to make it know that you're logged in.
[03:47] <waylandbill> it's a bzr diff. I figured that'd be the easiest to use.
[03:47] <Jucato> hm ok ;)
[03:50] <Tm_T> any particular reason why basket depends on kmail?
[03:51] <Jucato> it does?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yeah.  kontact integration
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i lost that battle
[03:52] <Jucato> ah
[03:52] <Jucato> basket depends on kontact which in turn depends on kmail
[03:52] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hmm, evil, have to reinstall my selfcompiled kmail )(
[03:53] <Tm_T> I still don't know how to touch recursive
[03:53] <Jucato> Tm_T: why? shouldn't your compiled version be the "preferred" version if you set the proper env vars?
[03:54] <Tm_T> Jucato: sure, if apt would know I have compiled it
[03:54] <Tm_T> (and installed)
[03:54] <Jucato> apt doesn't matter, as long as you didn't install in /usr (afaik)
[03:54] <Tm_T> well, there I do install it
[03:54] <Jucato> O.o
[03:55] <Jucato> booh :P
[03:55] <xerosis> Tm_T: use checkinstall?
[03:55] <Tm_T> minimising duplicates that is :)
[03:55] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ^^^^^
[03:55] <Tm_T> xerosis: I will not, bad experiences
[03:56] <xerosis> Tm_T: hehe ok
[03:56] <Tm_T> xerosis: I'd rather do proper packages ;)
[03:56] <Jucato> me too.. but takes time to learn... :(
[03:56] <xerosis> Hobbsee: oi!
[03:56] <Jucato> I mean longer than just compiling :)
[03:56] <Tm_T> but can't see much piont to do packages either when I do compile kdepim several times a day usually
[03:57] <Tm_T> I sorta learned and then forgot it
[03:58] <Jucato> :)
[03:58] <Jucato> anyway, heading for bed... earlier than Hobbsee...
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ugh, yeah
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Jucato: go ahead
[03:58] <Jucato> migraine coming up.. :(
[03:58] <Hobbsee> in inverse order
[03:58] <apokryphos> same thing for me with php. I learn some stuff because I need to do something, then leave it for months, forget everything, then I need it again :/
[03:58] <Jucato> apokryphos: sorry for leaving you in #kubuntu earlier, mate...
[03:59] <Jucato> kinda not feeling right...
[03:59] <apokryphos> no worries
[03:59] <Jucato> ok gotta go before migraine strikes and I take it out on some poor sould in #kubuntu...
[03:59] <Tm_T> Jucato: how you could feel right when I'm left?
[03:59] <apokryphos> rest!
[03:59] <Jucato> you're lucky I have no access here :P
[04:11] <waylandbill> Riddell: if you think of something else, I'd help out. Until then, I'll be fighting with this new feisty install. :-)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> heya waylandbill
[04:12] <hunger> Hmmm... I create a gui with the qt4 designer and when I build that it fails in the generated code. Anyone noticed that yet?
[04:13] <Riddell> waylandbill: are you testing a daily CD?
[04:13] <waylandbill> hunger: in the ui code?
[04:14] <waylandbill> Riddell: no. where are those kept?
[04:14] <hunger> waylandbill: In the code generated by uic-qt4 from my ui file.
[04:14] <Riddell> waylandbill: we need testers for today's dailys before we can release them as beta
[04:14] <Riddell> waylandbill: wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFiles
[04:15] <hunger> I'll try with KDE's qt-copy... maybe Qt4 is screwed here.
[04:16] <raphink> c'est journe francophone ici?
[04:16] <raphink> pourquoi c'est pas dit dans le sujet?
[04:16] <raphink> :)
[04:16] <Riddell> "journe"?
[04:16] <Riddell> nous avons un problem d'encoding
[04:16] <raphink> ah
[04:17] <raphink> je suis en utf8
[04:17] <Riddell> j'aime utilise un mot anglais que j'oublie la francais
[04:17] <raphink> hehe
[04:17] <raphink> idem dans l'autre sens
[04:20] <rbrunhuber> kubuntu-devel-fr?!
[04:21] <rbrunhuber> Does Feisty use the debian installer? And can it use encrypted disks now?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: no.  they just go into frenchdom from time to time.  nothing new
[04:22] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : What a shame although france is one of our neighbour countries I never learned french
[04:23] <Hobbsee> indeed
[04:23] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : I voted for LATIN in school. Could I please have a hint from your cluebat (although) it is already to late :-)?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:24] <Tonio_> raphink disons que j'ai auto-dcrt a.... ;)
[04:25] <rbrunhuber> Is this really french? auto-dcrt a....
[04:25] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: yep, you can put "auto" between almost everything, to mean you did it yourself
[04:26] <Tonio_> example : "je me suis auto-appel" means you phoned to yourself
[04:27] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : I think i have an encoding problem. I see a lot of copyright signs and so.
[04:27] <Tonio_> hum, strange, works here......... I'm using utf-8....
[04:31] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_:  I have a lot of people complaining about this. Seems that miranda speaks another dialect of utf-8 :-)
[04:31] <Tonio_> hehe
[04:31] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: ready for a test ?
[04:31] <Tonio_> http://planetemu.net/
[04:31] <Tonio_> that webpage is french with utf-8
[04:31] <Tonio_> problems with accents ?
[04:43] <nixternal> Riddell: I will be working on the Beta release page shortly, so it should be complete in a couple hours time if we have it
[04:50] <Riddell> nixternal: perfect
[04:50] <mhb> is there any way to disable the autodetection of USB pen drives and such ?
[04:51] <mhb> I've tried to install Kubuntu on a USB pen drive but the installation keeps crashing, I guess the autodetection might be the issue
[04:51] <Riddell> dcop kded mediamanager die
[04:51] <Riddell> or something like along those lines
[04:51] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[04:51] <mhb> at what time is the beta out?
[04:56] <Riddell> we only schedule the day, not the minute
[04:56] <mhb> heh, sorry
[04:56] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : planetemu works
[04:56] <rbrunhuber> hi mhb
[04:57] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: so the issue is probably with konvi
[04:57] <Tonio_> interesting........
[04:57] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : No I'm on windows here at work it is miranda-im.org i use
[05:03] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: ah !
[05:03] <Tonio_> I thought she was a collegue :)
[05:03] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: well on windows that sounds normal......... I always got trouble with utf-8 and windows irc clients
[05:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: glad to know the patch worked
[05:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well that's about the kbluepin windows right ?
[05:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep..
[05:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I built without reading anything so........ but I know this is something that happens everytime since bluez went to dbus, so we have to patch it
[05:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: any news about the suse port of kdebluetooth to dbus ?
[05:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that was supposed to happen soon when I last look at that
[05:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: dont know about it.. rbrunhuber was the one highlighting the issues with the current kbluebin. Thats all I know, sorry
[05:03] <Tonio_> okay, you used the kmobiletools patch ? that's what we did with dholbach for edgy
[05:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes
[05:03] <Tonio_> perfect
[05:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: RockMan pointed that out last night, and I just did a patch for it
[05:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well as long as it works :)
[05:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: donno about the previous kubuntu patches inside the bluez-utils, one of the failed - atleast when I tried it
[05:03] <Tonio_> for kbluetooth and dbu, we'll have to wait for kde4 I gesw
[05:03] <Tonio_> guess
[05:03] <_StefanS_> yes, I'm off again. back again tonight probably - will try to do some stuff on the kdesu dialog.
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Man OPenSuse might be shipping with KDE4 :(
[05:07] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu-devel) they are shipping with the svn version it seems
[05:09] <sebas> I doubt that.
[05:09] <DaSkreech> sebas: I just asked
[05:10] <rbrunhuber> DaSkreech : I like it really bleeding edge, but KDE 4 seems to be a real pain up to now. So OpenSuse will patch it death again ( if they are really shipping it)
[05:10] <DaSkreech> They are planning on shipping late Sept too :-/
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Yeah I wouldn't even back that
[05:11] <DaSkreech> I wouldn't mind having the latest RC as an option to install in feisty+1 (Possibly non g)
[05:11] <rbrunhuber> DaSkreech : that might be possible they already ship opensync, althought for most users it is really broken.
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Since they should be shipping new RCs every two weeks
[05:12] <DaSkreech> But to ship a possible pre RC SVN as default?
[05:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ping ?
[05:49] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I can't see it being default
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Nor can I
[05:54] <DaSkreech> However thats the plan
[05:55] <waylandbill> if the plan comes to fruition.
[05:55] <Riddell> reference anywhere?
[05:57] <DaSkreech> #opensuse-kde
[05:59] <DaSkreech>  OpenSuse is unsupported by Novell?
[05:59] <waylandbill> community supported only
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[06:00] <DaSkreech> I guess thats fine then
[06:03] <Riddell> it is supported, they still sell the boxed edition which includes phone support
[06:04] <waylandbill> but suse != opensuse
[06:04] <apokryphos> waylandbill: yes, with openSUSE you get that.
[06:04] <apokryphos> like every other distro you also get security updates, or more major bugfixes etc
[06:05] <waylandbill> oh.. if you buy the support over and above it. I gotcha.
[06:05] <DaSkreech> I didn't think that you could byu support for opensuse
[06:05] <apokryphos> waylandbill: no... with the boxed version you get free support.
[06:06] <waylandbill> for the longest time it was two seperate lines.
[06:06] <apokryphos> what?
[06:06] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: Longest time?
[06:06] <waylandbill> I thought that there was SLED and OpenSuse.
[06:07] <apokryphos> there still is
[06:07] <waylandbill> ok. I guess I'm not as crazy as I thought then :-D
[06:08] <apokryphos> and DaSkreech, as I've told you in opensuse-kde... no plan for the 10.3 release is set in stone at all
[06:08] <apokryphos> opensuse release cycle is generally 10 or so months, so that suggests a release in October/November, and they're gonna be early adopters of kde4, but how exactly that will be executed is just not defined yet
[06:09] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: I hardly think that can be called the longest time :-P
[06:09] <DaSkreech> Ok great :)
[06:09] <DaSkreech> I just want someone to offer it as an option :(
[06:09] <waylandbill> longest time was the amount of time I thought it was like that. :-)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> heehee
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Ok well #opensuse-kde has pretty much cleared that up. No current roadmap, No ideas finalized
[06:11] <DaSkreech> KDE4 is a strong wish and will be looked at as an option.
[06:11] <waylandbill> they were just throwing ideas around or somethin?
[06:11] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: kde4's already built almost every day in the repositories at the moment anyhow
[06:12] <apokryphos> waylandbill: not exactly
[06:12] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: That's why I want someone to ship with it
[06:12] <apokryphos> when? Now?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: No I asked specifically
[06:13] <DaSkreech>  someone answered and I waited for someone to shoot him down and no one was doing so
[06:13] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Me?
[06:13] <apokryphos> no distro's gonna neglect kde 4 when it's possible, don't worry ;)
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Oh No but nearly all the (big) distros have the same rough timeline and missing this ship means some time next year
[06:15] <DaSkreech>  so it would feel like Vista +1
[06:16] <firephoto> maybe a distro race will get distro devs working upstream a bit more in the next 3 months? ;)
[06:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yo didn't use the good patch for bluez
[06:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 3.9 requires another patch I'm including
[06:17] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: no, missing the ship just means most distros will have easy updates for it, or even make a whole new ISO
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Well Yeah. I was hoping that Kubuntu would ship a kubuntu-desktop-kde4.iso unsupported at ship date
[06:18] <DaSkreech> reupdated periodically through the release schedule
[06:19] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I'd like to do that
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Wheeeee :)
[06:20] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: already?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Yeah.
[06:21] <DaSkreech> I'm very slow when it comes to change
[06:21] <DaSkreech> I have to start planning like a year before hand
[06:28] <xerosis> that's the second time konqueror hard-locked my system today... :/
[06:35] <fdoving> xeros: memleak?
[06:35] <yacoob> Who do I poke in order to look at filed bug? :)
[06:35] <yacoob> (it even has a solution included :)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> just say the bug name
[06:36] <DaSkreech> bug 1
[06:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[06:36] <DaSkreech> number sorry
[06:37] <yacoob> bug 94615 then :)
[06:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 94615 in kdebase "Firefox launched from alt-f2 doesn't apply all gtk2-qt-engine settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94615
[06:37] <yacoob> worked it all out since yesterday, all I need is some developer look at it :)
[06:38] <Riddell> yacoob: we're busy testing beta candidates today, but keep poking us and it'll help
[06:38] <Riddell> can't do much until beta is out
[06:38] <yacoob> Sure thing.
[06:39] <yacoob> I have this one solved for me, but I think it should be good to have permanent fix in distro, because it breaks consistent look of applications.
[06:39] <yacoob> (and this is important for casual Joe user :)
[06:54] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: Just found another bug in the bluez-utils patch from Rockman.
[06:57] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: another?
[06:58] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : Merged two sentences. There is a bug in the patch from Rockman. Not another the first :-)
[06:58] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : Wanted to write found another bug in bluez-utils.
[06:59] <rbrunhuber> Riddell:  This line if(buffer[1] !='P' && buffer[1] !='I' && buffer[2] !='N') should be if(buffer[0] !='P' && buffer[1] !='I' && buffer[2] !='N')
[06:59] <Riddell> 17:58 < RockMan> Riddell: i updated the patchs on kmobiletools.org, rbrunhuber pointed me on a bug
[06:59] <Riddell> 17:58 < RockMan> Riddell: also, since probably kmobiletools homepage will be down starting by tonight, i'd suggest
[06:59] <Riddell>                  grabbing them _now_ :P
[07:00] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: can you e-mail the new patch to Tonio_?
[07:01] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: please email that to me
[07:01] <rbrunhuber> I have neither a email adress of Tonio_ nor a clue in what format to send?
[07:01] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: tonio@ubuntu.com
[07:01] <rbrunhuber> Maybe the best thing would be to "reget" from Rockmans homepage? Rockman?
[07:02] <rbrunhuber> Because I'm not good at building (as I proved yesterday)
[07:03] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_: Can I point you to the right line in the debdiff of _Stefan_ yesterday?
[07:05] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: sure
[07:06] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: that patch is invalid I have a new one supposed to work with bluez but that currently fails
[07:07] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_: sent.
[07:07] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : what is the problem with the patch?
[07:07] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: incompatible with bluez-3.9
[07:08] <Tonio_> http://www.kmobiletools.org/node/228
[07:08] <Tonio_> read this :)
[07:08] <Tonio_> there is a specific patch for 3.9
[07:08] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_: This patch is the patch we already patched again with the debdiff i sent you.
[07:09] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: _StefanS_ patch didn't use that one
[07:09] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: resend me the infos please :)
[07:09] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : Yes it does.
[07:09] <Tonio_> not in the debdiff I received :)
[07:10] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : You have to remove the old patch (10-passkey*) from the patch directory to make it work.
[07:12] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: AHHHHHHHHHHHHH, lemme test
[07:12] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: patching the sources isn't good
[07:12] <Tonio_> should have provided a patch for the debian/patch folder
[07:13] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: lemme check once again, I'll let you know if that works
[07:13] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_: I did not do anything on this. I just poked the right people :-)
[07:17] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: Are you here?
[07:19] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_: RockMan already updated the page on his page: http://www.kmobiletools.org/files/bluez-pin-exec-patch-r3.diff.bz2
[07:24] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: great, testing
[07:38] <Riddell> hmm, imbrandon added seele to planet ubuntu
[07:38] <Riddell> she's not a member I'm sure
[07:39] <kristjan_> is it possible to install feisty from harddisk?
[07:41] <\sh> kristjan_: creating a chroot on another partition, I think it's possible...I did that earlier on with hoary, inside a gentoo system
[07:44] <kristjan_> \sh: not that I need to, but I have been trying out of curiosity to get installation working from hd in a way like some other distros do it without success so far.
[07:47] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: I'm here
[07:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I guess you handled it ..
[07:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes I have the latest patch
[07:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good.
[07:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like the debdiff you sent me was not the good one ;)
[07:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just build the package let me test
[07:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yea, sure
[07:54] <_StefanS_> whoo .. kde4 has been built successfully from trunk.. amazing
[07:58] <Riddell> imbrandon: I've removed seele from planet for now since she isn't a member, persuade her to apply if you want her on
[08:05] <Riddell> kwwii: would you happen to have a pretty kubuntu themed picture we could use along with the beta announcement?
[08:12] <rbrunhuber> Bye
[08:12] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: s/0/1 for the buffer is okay, this time it works :)
[08:12] <Tonio_> thanks for the info
[08:12] <mhb> is it me or has the spec template disappeared from the Ubuntu wiki?
[08:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: next time you patch something, please use cdbs, never patch the sources, that's evil ;)
[08:12] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : you should replace 1 with 0
[08:12] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: that's what I meant :)
[08:13] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: but that works, thanks ;)
[08:13] <waylandbill> what is cdbs?
[08:13] <Tonio_> passkey-agent --default /usr/lib/kdebluetooth/kbluepin
[08:13] <Tonio_> Passkey request for device 00:12:47:B4:86:E3
[08:13] <Tonio_> Found passkey: "1234"
[08:13] <Tonio_> waylandbill: patch system
[08:13] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : 00:12? Do you have a nokia?
[08:13] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: samsung
[08:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: if you patch the sources, changes are kept in diff.gz file, but that's a pain to maintain with upstream new versions, and if someone regenerates the diff.gz for some reason, changes can be lost...
[08:15] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : Packaging is still way to complicated....
[08:15] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: true
[08:16] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: but easy packaging isn't possible with several build systems....
[08:16] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: cdbs simplifies packaging at the maximum level.... hard to do better
[08:16] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : Ill have a look in cdbs.
[08:16] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: hehe
[08:17] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: will upload buez-utils with the good patch tomorrow
[08:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test the patches for http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140660
[08:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't avoid crash, but prevents from loosing mails
[08:18] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 140660 in general "kmail crash when I make a CTRL + J in inbox" [Grave,Reopened] 
[08:18] <Tonio_> we need this
[08:18] <rbrunhuber> Riddell:  I'm affected with this, so if you need a tester....
[08:19] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: are you ?
[08:19] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: ?
[08:19] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: then I'll ping you onc e the packages are built
[08:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: I was wondering if it might be best just to take a branch pull of kdepim
[08:19] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: second patch proposed can eventually even prevent from the crash...
[08:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, why not, I can test this
[08:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test toonight, and give you feedback
[08:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I agree there are lots of commits on that branch, with lots of bugfixes
[08:20] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ , Riddell: There is a bug for this in lp too
[08:20] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: id please ?
[08:20] <Tonio_> we should link to upstream bug
[08:22] <rbrunhuber> It is bug 86598
[08:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86598 in kdepim "Kmail crashing when aplying all filters to all mails" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86598
[08:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: want a hudge patch for this ?
[08:23] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: thanks linking to kde then :)
[08:23] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : You do the link? I've never done this
[08:24] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: done
[08:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: if it fixes more bugs than it creates sure :)
[08:24] <Tonio_> just refresh
[08:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: might be an idea to ask in #kontact for a feeling on it
[08:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: good idea lets go ;)
[08:25] <rbrunhuber> Will feisty use the debian installer with encrypted partition support?
[08:25] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: no idea
[08:26] <Riddell> comments welcome on this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyBetaAnnouncement/Kubuntu
[08:26] <Riddell> nixternal: ^^
[08:26] <nixternal> hrmm
[08:26] <nixternal> I just finished the release page
[08:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: digikam back ?
[08:27] <nixternal> Riddell: looks good!
[08:27] <Tonio_> fine with me too
[08:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: should be yes :)
[08:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: just to keep you quiet mind :)
[08:28] <rbrunhuber> nixternal: Why has it the ubuntu theme?
[08:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for this :)
[08:28] <nixternal> huh?
[08:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've been arch on that question, sorry :)
[08:29] <rbrunhuber> nixternal : I thought the page should be more "blueish" as it is kubuntu?
[08:29] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: which page?
[08:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: is kopete untranslated a known problem ?
[08:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, it's because it has changed source packages and rosetta doesn't seem to have caught up
[08:29] <rbrunhuber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta/Kubuntu#head-8b618daed6b9354dc6a0e90ad8edbd5bbdaefd90
[08:30] <nixternal> rbrunhuber: use wiki.kubuntu.org if you want blueish
[08:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay so should be fixed soon I guess
[08:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: for kdepim better packaging from svn and make an uvf exception once tested no ?
[08:30] <Tonio_> big patch is a bit evil I think :)
[08:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: naw, just a patch, like debian does
[08:31] <rbrunhuber> nixternal : this is not a question what i want but what it should be?
[08:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay.....
[08:32] <nixternal> rbrunhuber: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Beta/Kubuntu
[08:32] <nixternal> that is blue
[08:32] <rbrunhuber> nixternal : not a minute ago. But no it looks nice :-)
[08:33] <nixternal> thanks
[08:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: https://translations.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/kdenetwork/+pots/kopete exists, should come in with whenever the next language pack is done
[08:35] <Tonio_> perfect, thanks ;)
[08:36] <Riddell> nixternal: no screenshots for docs or digikam though
[08:36] <nixternal> I will do a digiKam one here shortly and docs I guess :)
[08:37] <rbrunhuber> nixternal : I found the difference in wiki._U_buntu.com it is brown in wiki._K_ubuntu.org it is blue...
[08:40] <Riddell> nixternal: links to old Herd pages would be good too
[08:40] <Riddell> nixternal: and the upgrader!
[08:40] <nixternal> roger
[08:40] <Riddell> nixternal: testers needed for https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[08:41] <Riddell> nixternal: otherwise, a work of perfection, as usual
[08:42] <nixternal> why thank you
[09:07] <waylandbill> Riddell: I didn't actually run the upgrader in the process of removing the temp files. I bypassed that code, but I like the look of the kubuntu_upgrade wizard.
[09:08] <waylandbill> as long as the extracted tool works. ;-)
[09:13] <xerosis> hm, where are keyboard shortcuts settings stored? no changed are being applied, i think it must be chrooted wrong
[09:13] <xerosis> *chowned
[10:04] <Riddell> waylandbill: did you e-mail me the patch?
[10:14] <waylandbill> Riddell: I did not. I sent a url to this channel
[10:15] <GNUro> 'lo!
[10:15] <waylandbill> Riddell: let me know if you want an email or a url and I'll resend
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you want the dist-upgrade thing to be tested again ?
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I mean did you fix those few bugs ?
[10:20] <waylandbill> emailed and here: http://silverbaseball.com/kubuntu_updater_Mar_22_2007.diff
[10:24] <waylandbill> Riddell: emailed and here: http://silverbaseball.com/kubuntu_updater_Mar_22_2007.diff (didn't prefix with nick)
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: [21:26]  <Tm_T> Tonio_: anyway, stable should be stable IIRC and +features branch is pretty muvh slowly moving so might not be stable enough yet, though only crashes I get is because of indexlib (experimental stuff)
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably just commit patches and not sync svn...
[10:35] <Tm_T> Tonio_: don't take it as a last word
[10:36] <Tonio_> Tm_T: well, I know, but the point syncing with svn is not to had new issues :)
[10:36] <Tm_T> I'm just test user ;)
[10:36] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I'm jsut concerned by kde bug 140660
[10:36] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 140660 in general "kmail crash when I make a CTRL + J in inbox" [Grave,Reopened]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140660
[10:36] <Tm_T> s/user/dummy/
[10:36] <Tm_T> Tonio_: interesting, let's see...
[10:37] <Tonio_> Tm_T: there is a commit that doesn't prevent from crashing, but avoids loosing emails, which is the critical part of the bug
[10:37] <Tm_T> yes
[10:37] <Tonio_> also a second commit is proposed, but requires testing, nobody gave feedback atm
[10:39] <Tm_T> whooops!
[10:39] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I'll patch in a few minutes, are you ready to test with me ?
[10:39] <Tm_T> WHOOOPS!
[10:39] <Tonio_> ? :)
[10:39] <Tm_T> where's cancel?!
[10:40] <Tonio_> killall kmail !
[10:40] <Tonio_> or xkill
[10:40] <Tm_T> I did ctrl+a && ctrl+j in dir with over 8k mails =)
[10:40] <Tm_T> no crash but this will take forever
[10:40] <Tonio_> and ?
[10:40] <Tonio_> interesting............... should have crashed :)
[10:40] <Tonio_> let's test the patches then ;)
[10:41] <Tm_T> Tonio_: but never been crashing here, or, can't remember, but I use latest svn from kdepim-3.5.5+features branch
[10:41] <Tonio_> okay so the 2 patches seem to work.... I'm building with those and we'll see ;)
[10:42] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: ping about hardware
[10:42] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: yea ? :)
[10:42] <ryanakca> lol, how do I figure out if the ram would fit in my comp?
[10:43] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: well, what processor do you have ?
[10:43] <ryanakca> manchicken|away: how did you set up your compile farm?
[10:43] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: or model of laptop ?
[10:43] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: would it work in a desktop? it's an Atho
[10:43] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: it wont .. "SO-DIMM" tells you that
[10:44] <ryanakca> AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3500+
[10:44] <ryanakca> ah, nevermind then :)
[10:44] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: its 200pin.. not 240
[10:44] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: np
[10:44] <ryanakca> pin... are those the gold things on the bottom of the sticks?
[10:44] <Tm_T> ok, let's see if I can reach load over 10
[10:44] <_StefanS_> yes, and they goldplated also :)
[10:44] <_StefanS_> they are
[10:45] <claydoh> Tonio_: re kmail bug it will creah if you use the menus to do this, keyboard shortcuts don't seem to cause it
[10:45] <ryanakca> ah
[10:45] <ryanakca> Thanks anywais
[10:45] <_StefanS_> thats ok..
[10:46] <claydoh> or rather using the right-click context menu for filters does with all messages selected
[10:47] <Tonio_> claydoh: that's what I want to test indeed
[10:47] <claydoh> cool
[10:48] <ryanakca> is anybody having trouble with google analytics under Fx? I have all the required plugins installed... doesn't work in konqueror either...
[10:48] <ryanakca> and... it just made Fx crash :)
[10:52] <firephoto> Tm_T: Tonio_, it crashes here if i copy some messages to the default "Inbox" and do a ctrl-a and ctrl-j, other folders aren't affected.
[10:57] <Tonio_> firephoto: yep, that's the issue I try to get fixed....
[10:57] <Tonio_> firephoto: currently building with the fix
[11:01] <Tm_T> firephoto: ready to test then ;)
[11:02] <nixternal> Riddell: upgrade tool, is that for edgy->feisty only?
[11:02] <jjesse> quick question (sorry getting no help in #kubuntu) but i repartitioned my drive and now i can't access the disk and file system module of system settings
[11:02] <nixternal> or can Dapper users use it as well
[11:02] <jjesse> edgy -> feisty
[11:02] <nixternal> roger dodger
[11:03] <nixternal> thank you sir
[11:03] <jjesse> "disk and filesystems" could not be loaded
[11:04] <sebas> jjesse: run mountconfig in console and tell me if there's an exception shown
[11:04] <jjesse> sebas: thanks
[11:04] <sebas> Or kcmshell mountconfig
[11:07] <jjesse> sebas: http://pastebin.ca/407128
[11:08] <nixternal> Riddell: Release notes ready unless there is more to add -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Beta/Kubuntu
[11:08] <nixternal> anyone want to proof, please do!
[11:08] <nixternal> thanks
[11:08] <sebas> jjesse: Interesting.
[11:08] <jjesse> sebas: interseting good or interesting bad?
[11:09] <jjesse> nixternal: i'll read after dinner
[11:09] <sebas> jjesse: Interesting dunno =)
[11:09] <jjesse> :)
[11:09] <sebas> Can you run "python"
[11:09] <sebas> then "import os, sys"
[11:09] <sebas> then the following line:
[11:09] <Riddell> nixternal: stonkingly good
[11:09] <sebas> os.path.realpath(os.path.join(os.getcwdu(), sys.argv[0] ))
[11:09] <nixternal> heh, thanks
[11:10] <Riddell> sebas: u'/home/jr'
[11:10] <sebas> Ow wait, that's an apport exception. Useless.
[11:10] <jjesse> u'/home/jjesse
[11:10] <sebas> jjesse: Can you get me your /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab, I might be able to see what's wrong then.
[11:10] <jjesse> Riddell: that was directed to me
[11:11] <jjesse> sure
[11:11] <sebas> Cool
[11:11] <sebas> Which version is that, btw?
[11:11] <jjesse> for me?
[11:11] <sebas> Yeah, Feisty?
[11:12] <jjesse> sebas: correct
[11:12] <sebas> jjesse: Ok. sebas@kde.org for the files, btw.
[11:13] <jjesse> sebas: thanks
[11:13] <nixternal> how do I go about getting Konqueor to open new tabs instead of windows when clicking on an external link?
[11:13] <fdoving> nixternal: " the layout and look are new. "  shouldn't that be 'is'?
[11:13] <nixternal> nm
[11:13] <nixternal> heh
[11:13] <nixternal> fdoving: go ahead and fix it, my english is horrible ;)
[11:14] <fdoving> settings->configure konq -> webbehavior -> tabs section -> advanced -> some checkbox.. iirc.
[11:14] <sebas> fdoving was just a bit faster =)
[11:14] <jjesse> sebas: mail sent, heading out for dinner, be back in an hour or so
[11:14] <jjesse> nixternal: i'll proof read after dinner
[11:14] <nixternal> rock on, thanks
[11:15] <sebas> jjesse: Thanks, bon appetit =)
[11:17] <fdoving> nite.
[11:18] <nixternal> fdoving: that tab thing was right in front of my face when I asked the question :)
[11:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 94615 in kdebase "Firefox launched from alt-f2 doesn't apply all gtk2-qt-engine settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94615