[12:13] <c0nv1ct> chijin: its a bit of work to do manually, purging nvidia-glx and disabling the nv kernel module and all that
[12:14] <kel3> i'm a new linux client
[12:14] <eagles0513875> so i have to purge nvidia glx
[12:14] <c0nv1ct> chijin: theres a good howto on the forums for updating to the latest driver
[12:14] <eagles0513875> to get open gl to work with my ati
[12:14] <c0nv1ct> eagles0513875: no
[12:14] <chijin> c0nv1ct: i googled the repo
[12:14] <bigdad1e> cOnv1ct: its not showing my usb's when i do lsusb, is there any other command?
[12:14] <yan> kubuntu.pl
[12:14] <eagles0513875> what u recommend
[12:15] <eagles0513875> the driver im using is the one from the pkg manager
[12:15] <c0nv1ct> bigdad1e: yeah, but i forget, lemme look
[12:15] <bigdad1e> cOnv1ct: thanks
[12:16] <kel3> anyone can help me to install firefox ?
[12:16] <Nullbyte> Sure
[12:16] <kel3> it's the first time on linux
[12:17] <eagles0513875> kel sudo apt-get install firefox in the shell
[12:17] <bigdad1e> sudo aptitude install firefox
[12:17] <Nullbyte> Right
[12:17] <Nullbyte> Guuys
[12:17] <kel3> i downlaod it
[12:17] <Nullbyte> First time on linux
[12:17] <Nullbyte> kel, this is linux
[12:17] <kel3> and i extract all files now?
[12:17] <Nullbyte> :p
[12:17] <bigdad1e> is it a deb file?
[12:17] <Nullbyte> No
[12:17] <Nullbyte> Kel, go to your package manager
[12:17] <Nullbyte> Search for firefox
[12:17] <Nullbyte> and install it from there
[12:17] <c0nv1ct> bigdad1e: "cat /proc/bus/input/devices"
[12:17] <Nullbyte> It is quite easy
[12:17] <kel3> i tray wait
[12:18] <kel3> try
[12:18] <eagles0513875> im looking at the x settings in the system setting and its wanting to use fglrx
[12:18] <c0nv1ct> bigdad1e: that will give you way more detail :)
[12:18] <eagles0513875> could that be a problem if that is how i have it said
[12:18] <eagles0513875> *set
[12:19] <bigdad1e> cOnv1ct: what im doing is trying to find my phone and set it up on here. its really starting to get to me bc i still cant find it
[12:19] <kel3> nullbyte can we chat in pvt?
[12:19] <Nullbyte> kel, sure
[12:19] <kel3> where?
[12:19] <Nullbyte> um
[12:19] <c0nv1ct> bigdad1e: it should show up in there, getting it to actually work should be the hard part
[12:19] <kel3> how can we?
[12:20] <Nullbyte> Just talk here, this is for support after all
[12:20] <kel3> ok.... i must to open add application?
[12:20] <Nullbyte> No
[12:20] <bigdad1e> cOnv1ct: the only things showing are my keyboard, mouse, reciever, nd speakers
[12:20] <kel3> :-(
[12:20] <wolferines> what is the difference between a text and OEM install?
[12:20] <Nullbyte> Just a second
[12:21] <kel3> ok
[12:21] <Nullbyte> Do you see some package manager lying around?
[12:21] <c0nv1ct> wolferines: OEM is original equipment manufacturer, i dunno what that has to do with text install
[12:21] <kel3> i don't understand what are those package manager
[12:22] <bigdad1e> lol
[12:22] <wolferines> they are both choices in an "alternative" CD install
[12:22] <Nullbyte> A package manager is a program to download and install programs for you, Kel
[12:22] <bigdad1e> kel3: you will learn
[12:22] <kel3> ok where can i find it?
[12:22] <Nullbyte> Much easier than finding it on the net and downloading it yourself :)
[12:22] <c0nv1ct> wolferines: i wouldnt choose OEM
[12:22] <wolferines> k
[12:22] <Nullbyte> Um
[12:22] <bigdad1e> system adpet
[12:22] <Nullbyte> adpet? what?
[12:23] <Nullbyte> Kel, I dont remember what the KDE version is called
[12:23] <bigdad1e> adept package manager
[12:23] <Nullbyte> Oh.
[12:23] <kel3> sorry but i install kubuntu now and it's the first time on linux....
[12:23] <Nullbyte> Of course, Kel
[12:23] <Nullbyte> Thats fine :)
[12:23] <c0nv1ct> kel3: we understand, things are different, you'll get used to it quick
[12:24] <bigdad1e> hey i did
[12:24] <kel3> at school i use the text mode so...
[12:24] <Nullbyte> Ah
[12:24] <kel3> ok
[12:24] <Nullbyte> Just hit shift+f2 and write xterm
[12:24] <eagles0513875> kel ull luv it
[12:24] <Nullbyte> There you go, text mode for you
[12:24] <c0nv1ct> kel3: thats good, learning the command line helps a ton
[12:24] <Nullbyte> Command line ftw
[12:24] <Alonea> I am so going to kill my computer...
[12:24] <Nullbyte> I just killed mine, Alonea
[12:24] <Nullbyte> Kel, now you write apt-get install firefox
[12:24] <c0nv1ct> CLI is what i know, learning the GUI is tough, lol
[12:24] <Nullbyte> and then it downloads and installs it for you
[12:24] <Alonea> Nullbyte: good. kill it again.
[12:25] <kel3> i download the firefox.gz now... how to install it?
[12:25] <Nullbyte> Dont use the firefox gz
[12:25] <Alonea> when I got rid of a package it took off my fglrx and now I can't get it to install again...
[12:25] <Nullbyte> Alonea: I cant, the harddisk is busted.
[12:25] <Nullbyte> Kel, write apt-get install firefox
[12:25] <Nullbyte> or no, duh
[12:26] <Nullbyte> sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:26] <Alonea> Nullbyte: ^___^ I am vindictive. I wish suffering upon mine.
[12:26] <eagles0513875> that is what i said before
[12:26] <kel3> in run command?
[12:26] <c0nv1ct> kel3: always check Adept Manager for applications before downloading the source, it'll be much easier
[12:26] <Nullbyte> Alonea: :o Mine is suffering quite a lot, you dont want to hear how the processor sounds with cornflakes in it
[12:27] <Alonea> fun fun
[12:27] <Nullbyte> Quite
[12:27] <Nullbyte> Yes Kel
[12:27] <animesh> is it okay to upgrade to feisty now?
[12:27] <Alonea> well, it seems all the module stuff, or at least parts of the stuff from the fglrx is still in the system and I don't know how to get rid it because I don't know where it is....
[12:28] <kel3> ok i past "sudo apt-get install firefox" in run command but...
[12:28] <Nullbyte> Wait
[12:28] <Nullbyte> Run command
[12:28] <Alonea> Not even sure what I am looking for to remove.
[12:28] <Nullbyte> Where do you see that :B
[12:28] <c0nv1ct> Nullbyte: probably in the right click menu :)
[12:28] <Nullbyte> Alonea, tried sudo apt-get remove fglrx?
[12:28] <Nullbyte> :p
[12:28] <Alonea> Nullbyte: its right above switch user in your k menu
[12:29] <kel3> yes in k menu
[12:29] <Nullbyte> I am not using KDE at the moment, I am telling people what to do from what I remember x)
[12:29] <kel3> rolf....
[12:29] <Nullbyte> Yep
[12:29] <tjl30> lol
[12:29] <Nullbyte> Kel, write xterm in that run command thing
[12:30] <kel3> ok
[12:30] <kel3> it's prompt of linux
[12:30] <kel3> now?
[12:30] <Nullbyte> Now you write sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:30] <Alonea> Nullbyte: thats not the big problem. thats gone already, its the stuff it stored in the kernel I think thats still there. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d01742cec183112be090e459b74129606e258f79   See the module assistant stuff? I think all that stuff is still on.
[12:32] <shank> hello all
[12:32] <kel3> it tell to me that the pack it's obsolete and there is no version avalaible
[12:33] <kel3> but it's renamed to another pack
[12:33] <Nullbyte> try writing firefox
[12:33] <kel3> just write
[12:34] <Nullbyte> Yeah, in the terminal :)
[12:34] <Schuenemann> hey, I can't delete the contents of my pen drive
[12:35] <kel3> where are u from null byte?
[12:35] <Schuenemann> is it normal for a pen drive to be mounted at /media/FLASHDISK instead of /media/usbdisk ?
[12:35] <[pyro] > hurry up and send my stuff
[12:35] <Nullbyte> kel3, I am from Denmark, why?
[12:35] <Minataku> lol
[12:35] <kel3> information i'm italian
[12:35] <Nullbyte> Oh, thats interesting
[12:35] <Nullbyte> So, is firefox working?
[12:35] <Schuenemann> I can't change the permissions for my pen drive. What is going on?
[12:36] <Nullbyte> Schuenemann, try modifying it as root
[12:36] <kel3> no... nullb.
[12:36] <Schuenemann> I'm trying
[12:36] <Nullbyte> I think its mounted there
[12:36] <Nullbyte> How did you mount it?
[12:36] <Schuenemann> there are some weird files in the pen drive
[12:36] <Schuenemann> it was automatic, and not as root
[12:36] <Schuenemann> the owner isn't root
[12:36] <Netboy541> hey guys
[12:36] <tjl30> hello
[12:36] <Netboy541> i'm having a moment here, and need a little help
[12:36] <Nullbyte> kel3, what did the command output?
[12:37] <Netboy541> i'm trying to add some lines in modprobe
[12:37] <kel3> it's in italian...
[12:37] <Netboy541> but i can't find the config file
[12:37] <kel3> whait
[12:37] <eilker> we have rent a vps server (ubuntu installed)  http://ourip works at moment but http://www.ourdomain.com is not working, our hosting company is different from where we bought domain, what to do now ?
[12:37] <kel3> wait
[12:37] <Schuenemann> there are some files with 0b names "??", what is that?
[12:37] <Schuenemann> very strange
[12:37] <Schuenemann> named*
[12:37] <Nullbyte> kel3, show me anyway
[12:38] <kel3> tha opacket firefox haven't version avaliable
[12:38] <kel3> but it named to another packet
[12:38] <Nullbyte> Thats not italian :P
[12:38] <Nullbyte> Show me what it said, exactly
[12:38] <kel3> yes i translate... :_)
[12:39] <kel3> in italian?
[12:39] <Netboy541> anyone?
[12:39] <Nullbyte> Yes, in italian
[12:39] <kel3> ok
[12:39] <Nullbyte> Sorry netboy541, what?
[12:39] <Netboy541> i'm trying to add some lines into modprobe, but i can't remember where it is
[12:39] <Schuenemann> Nullbyte, any ideas on what should I do with this stupid pendrive?
[12:40] <Schuenemann> in order to access it, of course
[12:40] <Nullbyte> Netboy541, try asking in #ubuntu, I dont remember it either
[12:40] <Nullbyte> Schuenemann, have you considered formatting it?
[12:40] <Schuenemann> how do I?
[12:40] <kel3> il pacchetto firefox non ha versioni disponibili, ma  nominato da un'altro pacchetto. questo significa che il pacchetto manca,  diventato obsoleto o  disponibile solo all'interno di un'altra sorgente
[12:41] <Schuenemann> Nullbyte, I have recorded some files on it, before
[12:41] <bigdad1e> does anyone have an idea how to get my phone to sync with kubuntu?
[12:41] <Nullbyte> Hm, kel3
[12:41] <bigdad1e> tmobile mda
[12:41] <Nullbyte> Schuenemann: What format is it?
[12:41] <Schuenemann> vfat
[12:42] <Nullbyte> Schuenemann, I really dont know what you should do, try asking in #ubuntu
[12:42] <Minataku> !it | kel3
[12:42] <ubotu> kel3: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:42] <wolferines> need a bit of a hand here, do a new install, with the "alternative CD", and my "select and install software" isnt panning out properly, can I get a hand troubleshooting, or just continue past it (which I dont really want to do) ?
[12:42] <wolferines> doing*
[12:42] <Nullbyte> Ooh, theres an italian kubuntu channel? Nice.
[12:43] <Minataku> They can help you in your native language there, kel3 ^^
[12:43] <kel3> ok i'll go there thanks for the help... ciao!!!!
[12:43] <Schuenemann> I bought this one in ebay, maybe it's a very crappy one
[12:43] <Minataku> np, kel3 ^^
[12:43] <pengy> Stormie xD
[12:43] <Schuenemann> at least it seems so
[12:43] <Minataku> Stormie! How's Quinn?
[12:44] <Stormie> <-- New to this server :P
[12:44] <pengy> too many registered nicknames eh, babe?
[12:44] <wolferines> zzzz, no help here?
[12:44] <leandro> hey
[12:44] <Minataku> lol
[12:44] <Nullbyte> Heyhey
[12:44] <Mehwhatever> Looks like it ^^
[12:44] <wolferines> nm, it worked
[12:44] <bigdad1e> noone knows how to get my tmobile mda to sync with kubuntu?
[12:44] <pengy> Luckily I registered mine on here years ago... and they don't seem to time out :p
[12:44] <wolferines> sweet
[12:44] <Minataku> Mehwhatever: I was making a joke that was a reference to Sealab 2021
[12:45] <Mehwhatever> * Doesn't know what Sealab 2021 is*
[12:45] <Mehwhatever> *hides*
[12:45] <Alonea> How would I turn this around to where it removes them? sudo aptitude install module-assistant build-essential debhelper debconf dh-make fakeroot libstdc++5 linux-headers-$(uname -r)  ?
[12:46] <Alonea> Mehwhatever: oh gods, Sealab 2021. havent seen that in ages
[12:46] <Mehwhatever> Hmm, off to google :P
[12:46] <Schuenemann> Nullbyte, how do I format it, anyway?
[12:47] <Nullbyte> Schuenemann, write sudo cfdisk /dev/sda
[12:48] <Schuenemann> will that format as vfat?
[12:48] <brian_> whats happinin?
[12:48] <Mehwhatever> Ha! Here we go.
[12:49] <Hasrat_USA> does KDE have an alternative for Synaptics Package Manager? What if one is on KDE and doesn't want to run Synaptics Package Manager, which is a native application of GNOME, not KDE
[12:49] <brian_> adept
[12:49] <brian_> no?
[12:50] <Hasrat_USA> wow!
[12:51] <Hasrat_USA> why have I not been able to encounter Adept, KDE's native package manager and Synaptic's alternative even after having been using K/Ubuntu for the past 4 months?
[12:51] <brian_> any hams out here
[12:51] <martalli> adept is the default package manager on kde anyway...did you start with a ubuntu box and install the kubuntu desktop?
[12:51] <Hasrat_USA> Brain thanks a lot! It works. It was right there in KDE but I think I never clicked on it
[12:51] <Hasrat_USA> martalli: yes
[12:51] <brian_> ok good
[12:52] <martalli> I did that on my box at home, and adept still came up for package management, as long as I was logging into kde
[12:52] <Hasrat_USA> I have both GNOME and KDE now. okay it's time to enjoy Adept for a moment :P
[12:52] <brian_> when u re-up to kde after standard ubuntu?right?all the same
[12:52] <martalli> go to start->run and type adept.  That should open the program up for now
[12:53] <lx401396> qualcuno parla italiano
[12:53] <brian_> tried straight ubuntu...dont like gnome....kde all day...YAY KUBUNTU!!!
[12:53] <babag> tried to install edgy earlier today but couldn't.
[12:54] <martalli> i originaly started with mandrake years ago.  In mdk, you could add the common desktops but the main system utilties wouldn't change.  *buntu doesn't seem to like switching from gnome-kde, etc.
[12:54] <babag> didn't detect my mouse, left me keyboard only.
[12:54] <brian_> tons better than mandrake/driva and more user compliant than straight debian
[12:54] <brian_> prolly best ive tried so far for free
[12:55] <brian_> really no mouse eh?
[12:55] <babag> when i tried to navigate, though, some tabs wouldn't select and the enter key wouldn't work.
[12:55] <babag> had to give up.
[12:55] <martalli> kubuntu really is a nice system.  For very a very nicely tuned kde experience, mepis and pclinuxos do well, but the *buntus have them beat by a mile for community support
[12:55] <brian_> yeah i agree martalli
[12:55] <KanRiNiN> Hey I was wondering how AIGLX might interfer with OpenGL and Xv output from players like Kaffeine and Kmplayer.  Xv won't work and OpenGL interfers with other windows.
[12:55] <babag> if i couldn't use the mouse and the keyboard wouldn't select, how could i proceed?
[12:55] <brian_> i still use dsl on a stick for music@work
[12:56] <brian_> does it do that in single user mode ie no X?
[12:56] <martalli> babag - get into the terminal by typing alt-F1, navigating to the run key and type "konsole"
[12:56] <brian_> the mouse keyboard problem?babag
[12:56] <Alonea> KUSO! stupid thing wont install now.
[12:56] <soulrider> martalli: ubuntu simply rocks! :)
[12:56] <martalli> then type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:57] <martalli> this reconfigures X, zoom past the defaults on your video, if it is working well, and then make sure your mouse is configured correctly
[12:57] <martalli> then hit ctrl-alt-backspace to kill and restart X.  See if that works
[12:58] <martalli> Even before that, just make sure the mouse is connected (happens to all of us lol)
[12:58] <brian_> the only time ive ever had problems with mouse/keyboard was with debian on a dell latitude cp
[12:58] <brian_> uh huh layer 0 is always a problem
[12:59] <babag> thanks martalli but i doubt it will. i've had a similar mouse problem with other distros - serial mouse.
[12:59] <brian_> SERIAL????
[12:59] <soulrider> omg, serial mouse?!
[12:59] <brian_> ps/2 serial or rs232?
[12:59] <soulrider> thats like... ancient!!
[01:00] <martalli> Honestly, I always loved debian (it was my first toe in the water for linux), but straight debian is difficult for desktop use.  Fortunately, the GPL makes it easy for projects like *buntu to leverage debian for great desktop use
[01:00] <brian_> is the ball worn down perhaps...lawl
[01:00] <brian_> flat spots and such
[01:00] <martalli> I still have an rs232 nouse (and an AT connector mouse)!
[01:00] <brian_> yikes!!!
[01:00] <Alonea> How different is this from fedora?
[01:00] <brian_> well kde is kde gnome is gnome
[01:01] <martalli> babag - time for a new mouse probably -
[01:01] <brian_> packaging in fedora/rpms
[01:01] <Alonea> Well, I know nothing about fedora. so like, can I get kde for it?
[01:01] <morvok> I remember using slackware with Kernel 1.2
[01:01] <brian_> of course
[01:01] <brian_> ahh slax on a floppy
[01:01] <martalli> fedora is a whole other "clan" of linux distros - there is little compatibility between kubuntu and fedora.  kubuntu is in the debian clan
[01:01] <martalli> I remember DOS 3.0
[01:02] <martalli> and VIC 20 Basic
[01:02] <Alonea> I was thinking about moving to fedora since I am having so many problems with this.
[01:02] <brian_> i always thought fedora was a red hat sponsered "edge" distro
[01:02] <morvok> Fedora is a plague.. terrible to use.
[01:02] <[pyro] > Alonea: i did the exact opp :D
[01:02] <Alonea> or just something else I know will work better.
[01:02] <[pyro] > too many problems with fedora so i moved to kubuntu
[01:02] <martalli> brian_: it is - but that is a whole different style of linux (rpm based, among other things)
[01:02] <[pyro] > it just worked (tm) on my laptop
[01:02] <Alonea> I could not get gentoo to install...
[01:02] <brian_> i gotcha
[01:02] <Hasrat_USA> hey brian
[01:02] <soulrider> Alonea: really? i prefer kubuntu over fedora a LOT
[01:02] <Hasrat_USA> thanks again man!
[01:03] <martalli> Alonea:  What sort of problem are you having?
[01:03] <brian_> yo adept r00lz
[01:03] <soulrider> Alonea: i couldnt get gentoo to install either :P
[01:03] <Alonea> soulrider: well, I like kubuntu, but it breaks withing a couple days...
[01:03] <soulrider> Alonea: never broke for me =/
[01:03] <[pyro] > breaks?
[01:03] <martalli> Alonea:  That really sounds strange.  what do you ean by "breaks"
[01:03] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: stop breaking it :P
[01:03] <[pyro] > lol
[01:03] <brian_> no doubt
[01:04] <Hasrat_USA> a nice, sleek interface can dramatically change the way the end-user thinks of you and the software you wrote
[01:04] <martalli> "sudo rm -r /" is only a joke, don't try it on your comp ....
[01:04] <Hasrat_USA> GNOME fails to attract even the author of GNU/Linux's kernel Linus Torvald
[01:05] <brian_> thats how u spell suicide in linux speak
[01:05] <soulrider> martalli: dont put stuff liek that here, newbies might actually do it =.
[01:05] <Alonea> I mean, I thought fglrx used the 4.x version of gcc, and it used 3 instead so when I removed 3 it removed fglrx and now i can't get it to go back on anymore and all the modules I removed for my wificard to work came back. Also I can't shutdown, reboot, etc. my computer if I have fglrx on. Also, I usually end up doing something silly because I get so frustrated trying to make something work...
[01:05] <martalli> soulrider - yeah you're right, ignore that
[01:05] <Alonea> ...and end up locking myself  completely out of my user account....
[01:05] <babag> i could probably get the mouse working, always have in the past, if the installer's keyboard interface was properly responsive.
[01:05] <brian_> gnome is useful for the mac converts
[01:05] <brian_> new mouse=5 bucks
[01:05] <martalli> Alonea  Were you trying to compile fglrx?
[01:05] <roland_> whats the command to install vlc media player? sudo apt-get install   ?
[01:06] <brian_> what kinda box is that serial mouse on?
[01:06] <soulrider> Alonea: i never had any problems with kubuntu like that
[01:06] <roland_> package
[01:06] <soulrider> Alonea: why dont you install the build-essential package ?
[01:06] <brian_> use adept
[01:06] <soulrider> roland_: sudo apt-get install vlc
[01:06] <Alonea> martalli: I am installing the binary drivers for my video card following the how to
[01:06] <[pyro] > before kde i used E, but using kde ever since it first came out
[01:06] <Alonea> and if I use the "repo" way I get a black screen where it goes on fine if I do it the "manual" way
[01:06] <roland_> soulrider: E: Couldn't find package vlc
[01:07] <brian_> hey so what ever happened to compiz/xgl?
[01:07] <martalli> Aalonea:  Honestly - there are .debs for that.  If you want to install fglrx painlessly, try automatix
[01:07] <soulrider> roland_: do you have nultiverse and universe enabled ?
[01:07] <Alonea> martalli: I did put the .debs on
[01:07] <roland_> i dont think so
[01:07] <soulrider> !repos > roland_
[01:07] <[pyro] > brian_ check out beryl
[01:07] <Alonea> martalli: thing is, when you run the ati......run it makes the nice deb files.
[01:07] <martalli> alonea: However, ATI's driver is leagues behind nvidia.  I have neevr used it.  The same would probably go for any distro at all.  Fedora woul have to use the same binary blob from ATI
[01:08] <babag> it's a trackball with a form factor i like and can't find any more.
[01:08] <frojnd> is there any program to cut or edit wav files?
[01:08] <Alonea> martalli: but that ati.run thing will no longer make them....
[01:08] <frojnd> I just needed to cut it
[01:08] <babag> have them on all boxes here
[01:08] <biggie> HELP - i have 384mg ram running on ubutu 6.06. the last 2 days ktorrent has quit after an hour or 2 because of memory problems - any one have any ideas
[01:08] <brian_> ahh
[01:08] <[pyro] > frojnd: audacity
[01:08] <martalli> Give kubuntu one last try with a clean install and then use automatix to install the fglrx driver
[01:08] <martalli> !automatix
[01:08] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[01:08] <Alonea> martalli: and really, I am getting tired of redoing my system... whats automatix?
[01:08] <martalli> lol - ubotu doesn't like it but check out getautomatix.com
[01:09] <Alonea> well, it installed perfectly fine, but the no shutdown thing is a common bug that has yet to be fixed...
[01:09] <martalli> It's the lazy but simple way of getting the drivers.  Beautiful results with all my nvidia cards
[01:09] <evfreshman2025> can someone help me install Flash? im new to Kubuntu today!
[01:09] <frojnd> !WorksForMe
[01:09] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[01:09] <Alonea> its just if after the fact if anything messes up, its messed up for good
[01:09] <brian_> oh flash
[01:09] <frojnd> :>
[01:09] <martalli> but unless you really need 3d graphics, stick to the free drivers and iignore the fglrx driuver
[01:10] <brian_> follow the instructions provide with the plugin
[01:10] <brian_> now java webstart would be nice to use
[01:10] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: goto a page with flash, install missing plugin. 9if you are using firefox that is)
[01:10] <Alonea> martalli: I reallllly need the 3d.
[01:10] <evfreshman2025> i tried, but i just dont understand
[01:10] <brian_> eh flash istalls with ummm ./install_flash_plugin???
[01:10] <Alonea> martalli: there are even screensavers that wont work without it and I also play games like UT2004 and use DOSBOX
[01:10] <evfreshman2025> yeah thats it
[01:11] <brian_> er umm sudo
[01:11] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: bah, I just let firefox install it for me.
[01:11] <evfreshman2025> but it says to enter it into some box, and im completly lost
[01:11] <brian_> uh terminal
[01:11] <evfreshman2025> how do you like firefox install it?
[01:11] <brian_> xterm
[01:11] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: you have never used firefox before? its what I used on windows...
[01:11] <brian_> java was fun to install when i was picking a browser...seems to work best in Konq
[01:12] <frojnd> Can't start audacity properly: There was an error initializing the audio i/o player. You will not be albe to play or record audio. What can I do to get this error when I click on audacity?
[01:12] <brian_> what everyone should use in Window$
[01:12] <evfreshman2025> yeah i have, but when i go to somthing with flash, it just says download the file and it says to enter ./firefox blah blah
[01:12] <brian_> right
[01:12] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: lets start bythe begining
[01:12] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/  , go there, and do install missing plugin on the FLASH box, not shockwave
[01:13] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: if that doesn't work, we will install through terminal.
[01:13] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: you should read the package documentation, its short and you will understand how things work here
[01:13] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: once you read it you will realize how easy it is to install comehting
[01:13] <brian_> perhaps a Linux newbie?
[01:13] <brian_> not just Kubuntu?
[01:13] <soulrider> brian_: thats why, lets introduce him properly
[01:14] <brian_> right on
[01:14] <evfreshman2025> im new to the whole Linux thing. i used windows, but i got so sick of it
[01:14] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: its really important that you read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware you iwll understand and learn lots of things
[01:14] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: dont worry, weve all been there, i understand how you feel
[01:14] <Nullbyte> evfreshman2025: Welcome!
[01:14] <evfreshman2025> thanks everyone!!! i was soo lost today
[01:15] <brian_> flash is very important
[01:15] <soulrider> lol, its ok man, we all were once
[01:15] <evfreshman2025> okay, so i clicked on install, and it said "Unknown Plugin"
[01:15] <Alonea> martalli: so far I have had to reinstall Kubuntu twice and slackware was even more trouble...I just wish there was a distro that more or less didn't completely freak out with my video card. So far I have only heard that the no shutdown is only a ubuntu thing.
[01:15] <brian_> ok the .bin file needs to be downloded
[01:15] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: on Flash? (thats the second box)
[01:15] <brian_> and saved to a folder in ur home dir
[01:16] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: dont do what Alonea tells you :P just reaed that guide first, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[01:16] <evfreshman2025> no, it says "click here to download plugin" and it has a puzzle piece picture
[01:16] <brian_> uh huh
[01:16] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: and just so you know, shockwave is not supported on linux...most unfortunate, though if you install firefox on wine you can get it.
[01:16] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: yes, click on the bottom box, and that will go to a install plugin screen
[01:17] <evfreshman2025> what box? there is only one that has a puzzle piece in it
[01:17] <brian_> it may not install automatically for him
[01:17] <evfreshman2025> if i click on "install Flash" i get to a page with two different links
[01:18] <Hasrat_USA> when you type tomboy in Konsole, what are you supposed to see?
[01:18] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: again, read the guide, it simportant that you read it, dont try to install flash that way
[01:18] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: Wait, are the one or 2 boxes with a puzzle...wait, what version of firefox do you have? goto help about
[01:18] <evfreshman2025> firefox 2.0.0.2
[01:19] <brian_> dont get discouraged evf
[01:19] <chijin> installing flash from the command line is pretty easy
[01:19] <Alonea> ok, and do you have 1 or 2 boxes with a puzzle piece in it?
[01:19] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: do you know if you have enabled universe and multiverse ?
[01:19] <brian_> whoa
[01:19] <evfreshman2025> ^^ I have no idea what that is!!!
[01:19] <Hasrat_USA> i type tomboy in konsole and see nothing. only a little bit of space seems to be taken away from the system tray every time i type tomboy, although the program launches fine and i see the verbose output in shell. how can i get back the system tray icon for it?
[01:20] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: just read the guide, please!
[01:20] <brian_> evf are u comfortable with old dos command line?
[01:20] <evfreshman2025> Okay, im going to read the page you sent me
[01:20] <evfreshman2025> be back in 3 mins!!!
[01:20] <soulrider> yes, please, you will understand how installing software works and how easy it is
[01:20] <Alonea> ok, anyone else have any other distro suggestions?
[01:21] <brian_> as in "not" Kubuntu? no
[01:21] <soulrider> well, if you have used fedora, then go back to it
[01:21] <soulrider> but id still use ubuntu
[01:21] <Alonea> soulrider: no, not yet. haven't tried it
[01:22] <Alonea> I just want to have something that doesn't break in a week..
[01:22] <Nullbyte> osx? :x
[01:22] <brian_> Alonea?what do you use ur pc for?
[01:22] <soulrider> Alonea: i dont know how you could break ubuntu
[01:23] <Alonea> brian_: internet, games, art, video stuff, multimedia stuff, programming, office.
[01:24] <Alonea> soulrider: done it twice. I am really good at breaking things it seems.
[01:24] <evfreshman2025> grrrrr!!!!
[01:24] <soulrider> aparently
[01:24] <brian_> what breaks about it?
[01:24] <evfreshman2025> I read over it. and it shows me how to install somthing
[01:24] <brian_> what are you trying to do? when it breaks?
[01:24] <chijin> i've only ever broken ubuntu when i had broken hardware and data was corrupting.. other than that, breaking it is really hard
[01:25] <evfreshman2025> but it says to use the Kubuntu Package Menu, but i have ARK
[01:25] <brian_> ark is for compressing
[01:25] <Hasrat_USA> brian_ can you do me a favour? can you go to your terminal, type tomboy and see if you can notice any icon in your system tray?
[01:25] <chijin> ark is also for decompressing
[01:25] <brian_> like zip files
[01:25] <Alonea> well, once I was trying to install something and it wanted me to move files that were in the root and I didn't know about kdesu konqueror at that point and I literally locked myself out of my user account
[01:25] <brian_> well that too
[01:26] <evfreshman2025> so what program do i use to install somthing?
[01:26] <brian_> adept
[01:26] <Hasrat_USA> adept
[01:26] <brian_> lawl
[01:26] <Nullbyte> apt-get :x
[01:26] <chijin> aptitude <3
[01:26] <Nullbyte> :p
[01:26] <brian_> however there may not be a package for flash in the "universe"
[01:26] <chijin> the more you get used to command line, the better it gets
[01:26] <evfreshman2025> okay, someone walk me thorugh this.
[01:27] <brian_> ok evf
[01:27] <evfreshman2025> I have an Icon on my desktop and it says "Install_Flash_Player_9"
[01:27] <brian_> ya got me?
[01:27] <chijin> evfreshman2025: i can walk you through installing flash in the command line
[01:27] <evfreshman2025> the picture is a closed package
[01:27] <brian_> somebody better @ typin than me?
[01:28] <brian_> ok now real easy...evf
[01:28] <brian_> open home folder
[01:28] <evfreshman2025> home folder?
[01:28] <brian_> right click make a new folder name it flash ...just to be tidy
[01:28] <yacoob> Hi.
[01:28] <yacoob> Which process exactly does 'run command' window belong to? KWin?
[01:28] <evfreshman2025> okay
[01:28] <evfreshman2025> done
[01:29] <brian_> right click ur file on ur desktop click cut
[01:29] <evfreshman2025> mmk done
[01:29] <brian_> right click in new folder named flash and paste 1 file
[01:29] <laptop> whats new??
[01:30] <brian_> ok now in flash folder
[01:30] <evfreshman2025> wait
[01:30] <brian_> okie dokie
[01:30] <evfreshman2025> do i right click on flash, and click copy?
[01:31] <evfreshman2025> and when click paste on the flash folder?
[01:31] <brian_> at the desktop where is was downloaded to click cut
[01:31] <laptop> ubuntu rocks!!!
[01:31] <brian_> open new flash folder
[01:31] <evfreshman2025> oh i see
[01:31] <evfreshman2025> okay its in the folder
[01:31] <brian_> then paste it in new flash folder
[01:31] <brian_> basically moving it there to be tidy
[01:32] <evfreshman2025> okay now what?
[01:32] <brian_> right click the file and "extract to here"
[01:32] <evfreshman2025> "extracting"
[01:32] <brian_> okie dokie
[01:33] <evfreshman2025> done
[01:33] <brian_> go into new install flash player 9 linux folder
[01:33] <evfreshman2025> done
[01:34] <brian_> right click in empty area of folder ...actions......open terminal here
[01:34] <Tm_T> errr?
[01:34] <evfreshman2025> okay i have the terminal open
[01:34] <brian_> a terminal window will open
[01:34] <Tm_T> you're installing flash manually?
[01:34] <brian_> right on
[01:34] <Alonea> I guess I can try starting over one more time and try again. I know I am going to get the no shutdown thing until someone figures out how to fix it. Things I need to get working at that point are my wifi card, which I have done enough to know how to do it, i need to get my wacom tablet working correctly (confused on how to do that), dosbox(*), epsxe(*), wine(*), games(*), extra programs...
[01:34] <Alonea> ...(*these I can do).
[01:34] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: or what?
[01:34] <brian_> ok evf
[01:34] <brian_> type dir in terminal
[01:35] <brian_> yes flash plugin
[01:35] <Tm_T> brian_: why manually?
[01:35] <brian_> no package....this way more fun
[01:35] <evfreshman2025> wait, type in "yes flash plugin" in the terminal?
[01:35] <Tm_T> brian_: well, there should be package, no need to fiddle around :)
[01:35] <brian_> nooooooooooooo
[01:35] <brian_> we are almost done here
[01:35] <evfreshman2025> lol oh okay
[01:36] <Alonea> Tm_T: Firefox was nice to me and installed it itself
[01:36] <brian_> ok
[01:36] <brian_> type this in terminal
[01:36] <Tm_T> Alonea: I don't say it isn't nice, but there's usually no need to
[01:36] <brian_> ./flashplayer-installer
[01:36] <Tm_T> !flash
[01:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:36] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[01:37] <Nullbyte> >:3
[01:37] <Tm_T> !backports
[01:37] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[01:37] <evfreshman2025> it said "No such file or directory"
[01:37] <Hasrat_USA> what about the flash authoring software? when would GNU/Linux users be able to use it?
[01:38] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: hmm, you mean some Adobe product?
[01:38] <brian_> is there a file when you "dir" named something like flashplayer-installer
[01:38] <Tm_T> brian_: I recommend to install it from packages instead of trying to fiddle ;)
[01:39] <brian_> we've been over that
[01:39] <brian_> he's gotta learn linux somehow
[01:39] <Hasrat_USA> Tm_T: yes. I believe that adobe isn't and macromedia wasn't going to develop/port GNU/Linux versions of Flash, Dreamweaver etc because they can't lawfully release those versions without revealing the source codes
[01:39] <chijin> evfreshman2025: in terminal, type in ./f and press tab then enter
[01:39] <evfreshman2025> i got it
[01:39] <brian_> that too
[01:39] <brian_> thx chijin
[01:39] <evfreshman2025> it said instalation complete
[01:40] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: no, you can do linux version of stuff without revealing sources, look flashplayer or skype now
[01:40] <brian_> forgot the macro keys still bi with windows @ work
[01:40] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: or nvidia drivers ;)
[01:40] <brian_> ok evf...got flash test page and rejoice
[01:40] <brian_> do a dance
[01:40] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: so it's up to Adobe to do it, go ask from them when it's coming ;)
[01:41] <evfreshman2025> whats the flash test page?
[01:41] <brian_> search for test flash
[01:41] <Hasrat_USA> Tm_T: then what is taking them so long to enable Linux users to use Flash? Nowadays there is a good demand for flash developers, specially action script programmers
[01:41] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: youtube.com for example ;-P
[01:41] <brian_> er stickam
[01:41] <brian_> lol
[01:41] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: ask from Adobe
[01:41] <evfreshman2025> UGH! it says i need to unstall flash!
[01:41] <brian_> if ur young
[01:41] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: did you install it from adobes site ?
[01:41] <brian_> scroll down that may be the shockwave
[01:41] <brian_> theres two on top of eachother
[01:42] <evfreshman2025> im on youtube
[01:42] <evfreshman2025> and when i try to watch a video
[01:42] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: really can't say why they are not interested :|
[01:42] <evfreshman2025> it says "install the latest Flash Player"
[01:42] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: konqueror?
[01:42] <brian_> yeah um firefox or konq
[01:42] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: did you read the link i sent you? installing flash is as easy as typing one command in the console
[01:43] <evfreshman2025> yes i did read it, and it didnt work!
[01:43] <Hasrat_USA> Tm_T: good news is that nowadays many large corporations are showing huge interest in Linux. for example, IBM. and google already hired Gaim's lead developer to write codes for the upcoming linux version of Googletalk
[01:43] <brian_> give me kopete or give me cellphone er umm...lawl
[01:43] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: enable the universe and multiverse repos and then you can install flash easily
[01:43] <nyinge> Hasrat_USA<  that's very good news
[01:43] <soulrider> !repos > evfreshman2025
[01:43] <soulrider> !flash > evfreshman2025
[01:43] <Hasrat_USA> brian kopete, amsn, gaim...none of these have voice support yet
[01:44] <Hasrat_USA> *has
[01:44] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: untrue, I've used Kopete to talk with googletalk contacts
[01:44] <brian_> thats ok
[01:44] <evfreshman2025> im sooooooo confused right now!!!
[01:44] <Hasrat_USA> and in today's corporate and fast environment, voice and webcam support is extremely important
[01:44] <brian_> evf are you running firefox?
[01:44] <evfreshman2025> yes i am
[01:44] <brian_> ok close it
[01:45] <Alonea> Hasrat_USA: yeah, I used it on MSN with my friends using my EyeToy
[01:45] <brian_> close all browsers
[01:45] <nyinge> what do u guys suggest for cross platform video conferencing..  mainly Mac and Linux
[01:45] <evfreshman2025> okay all closed
[01:45] <brian_> reopen firefox do a google for flash test
[01:45] <Alonea> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/
[01:45] <HaSH> evfreshman2025, about:pluins will tell you what plugsin you have in firefox...type that in the adress bar
[01:45] <Tm_T> nyinge: Ekiga and other SIP stuff
[01:45] <brian_> had firefox open the whjole time?
[01:45] <bxnp> but Alonea kopete has webcam support
[01:46] <brian_> click on the first one you see
[01:46] <brian_> should be from adobe
[01:46] <nyinge> Tm_T<  thanks, i'll look into those
[01:46] <brian_> top plugin warning is for shockwave
[01:46] <Alonea> bxnp: didn't say it didn't. though I doubt my Eyetoy would work on linux..it only works on windows due to hacked drivers
[01:46] <brian_> wont work as previously stated
[01:46] <evfreshman2025> nope
[01:46] <brian_> no good eh?
[01:46] <evfreshman2025> Shockwave player dosent work
[01:47] <brian_> right it wont
[01:47] <evfreshman2025> neither does flash
[01:47] <Hasrat_USA> Tm_T: i bet  there are some things that you haven't been able to do yet. 1) you haven't been able to use gaim or any other yahoo client for linux to 1) have voice chat with your friends, 2) listen to voice conversations in open chat rooms. also, using the linux version of Skype, you can't join those big voice meetings that you would be able to enjoy if you were on windows platform
[01:47] <brian_> does flash under it
[01:47] <brian_> scroll down
[01:47] <brian_> shoot
[01:47] <evfreshman2025> it says i will need to get the latest FP
[01:47] <brian_> still got terminal open
[01:47] <brian_> ??
[01:47] <evfreshman2025> nope
[01:47] <evfreshman2025> but ill open it
[01:48] <evfreshman2025> okay its open
[01:48] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: ofcourse there's lots of things I haven't done yet in Linux, but also there's lots of things I can do in Linux but prolly will never can do in proprietary environment :)
[01:48] <Hasrat_USA> now Tm_T: may be you can use Gyachi to do voice chat with other Yahoo messenger users. but its interface sucks. there is not much problem with 'type'-chatting with users of other protocols, but i was specially emphasizing on voice
[01:48] <brian_> cd /home/flash/install_flash_player_9_linux
[01:48] <brian_> make sure you are here again
[01:48] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: and I use mostly only IRC so I'm happy with only text :)
[01:49] <Alonea> another thing I miss from msn messenger was the share folders...my friends keep bugging me about it even.
[01:49] <evfreshman2025> should i type in dir then cd/home
[01:49] <brian_> clkose all browsers
[01:49] <brian_> no dir
[01:49] <brian_> just like that
[01:49] <evfreshman2025> okay
[01:49] <chijin> Alonea: check out allpeers add-on for firefox
[01:49] <brian_> ./flashplayer-installer
[01:49] <brian_> try it again
[01:49] <brian_> it should have worked the first time
[01:50] <brian_> ive never had a problem this way
[01:50] <Alonea> chijin: hmm, whats it do?
[01:50] <evfreshman2025> nope
[01:50] <evfreshman2025> no such file or directory
[01:50] <brian_> whats in the dir
[01:50] <chijin> Alonea: http://www.allpeers.com/
[01:50] <brian_> copty paste it here
[01:50] <Nullbyte> evfreshman2025, write cd Desktop
[01:50] <Nullbyte> and then do ./flashplayer-installer
[01:51] <evfreshman2025> dir?
[01:51] <brian_> its been moved
[01:51] <chuck> so i have my system set up exactly the way i want on the hardware that i have right now. however, i bought a new 300 GB HD and want to pretty much copy this hard drive to that one, and have the extra room. would mondobackup be the easiest way to do that?
[01:51] <brian_> type dir in terminal
[01:51] <Nullbyte> no chuck
[01:51] <Alonea> chijin: hmm, interesting, though I doubt I could get my friends to do it though. I had to yell at them to install new versions of msn...no use me having it when no one else I know does.
[01:51] <evfreshman2025> file:///home/mike/Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[01:51] <brian_> copy paste the file names in here
[01:51] <brian_> ok no good
[01:51] <Hasrat_USA> well Tm_T if you are happy with IRC then you wouldn't necessarily need to have voice chat on a regular basis. But as a newbie I was dumb-founded to not be able to find a quality alternative for Yahoo messenger when i first installed Linux. I needed a yahoo messsenger with voice support for linux so badly because my mom back in my homeland is illiterate, can't even type in her own language and resorts to voice to communicate with me.
[01:51] <Hasrat_USA> and it is a well-known fact that nobody except a few professional programmers such as erica andrews showed enough interest in solving these sort of problems
[01:51] <chuck> Nullbyte: what's easier?
[01:51] <brian_> it didnt extract
[01:52] <beta> hi
[01:52] <evfreshman2025> how do i extract it?
[01:52] <brian_> in the file manager right clickk it and extract it
[01:52] <Nullbyte> chuck, I would do something like dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sda, but that depends on the setup
[01:52] <beta> is it normal behavior that after an upgrade your program settings get changed (or erased for that matter)
[01:52] <beta> ?
[01:52] <Nullbyte> and someone probably has a better way to do it too
[01:52] <chuck> okay, i know about dd (sort of)
[01:52] <evfreshman2025> whats the file manager?
[01:53] <brian_> konqueror
[01:53] <Hasrat_USA> Erica wrote Gyachi, which also has voice and webcam supports and it's not buggy and it just works to some extent but none of the default programs such as gaim, kopete amsn etc doesn't have voice support
[01:53] <brian_> homefolder
[01:53] <chuck> Nullbyte: just a little hazy on setting up the swap space and partitions on the new drive first
[01:53] <brian_> next to k start icon
[01:53] <evfreshman2025> i got it
[01:53] <Hasrat_USA> but googletalk is going to be revolutionary
[01:53] <evfreshman2025> so im under home files
[01:53] <evfreshman2025> *home folder*
[01:53] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: how's that?
[01:53] <brian_> and ur new flash folder is ther too right
[01:54] <evfreshman2025> yup yup
[01:54] <Nullbyte> chuck, if you just copy your whole drive over, all partitions should come along with it
[01:54] <brian_> open it
[01:54] <Nullbyte> If that is what you want, chuck
[01:54] <evfreshman2025> okay
[01:54] <Hasrat_USA> googletalk's linux version is going to be professionally written and it's gonna allow people who need voice support too badly to talk to almost any users of any protocol such as MSN, yahoo etc etc and that's all there is to it
[01:54] <brian_> one regular folder and a tar file >????
[01:54] <chuck> Nullbyte: yeah, that's pretty much what i want. i actually have a spare drive that i think i can try it with first
[01:54] <brian_> or just one file?
[01:54] <chuck> Nullbyte: thanks
[01:54] <evfreshman2025> yeah
[01:55] <brian_> just the one?
[01:55] <evfreshman2025> 1 reg. folder, and the flash tar.gz file
[01:55] <brian_> ok open folder
[01:55] <evfreshman2025> okaym done
[01:55] <Hasrat_USA> um lol what's up with this conversation on installing flash player anyways?
[01:55] <brian_> all browsers closed?
[01:55] <evfreshman2025> yep
[01:56] <brian_> right click in open area actions open terminal here
[01:56] <tariq> hello, can someone tell me why I get the msg "no such file or directory" when I try to use ./configure?
[01:56] <evfreshman2025> okay its open
[01:56] <chijin> this flash conversation has been going on for 50 minutes now. i though installing flash is a one minute thing tops :-P
[01:56] <Hasrat_USA> I thought the most easiest and quickest way of installing flash player was to go to youtube right after installing U/Kubuntu and follow whatever instruction could be seen on screen :P
[01:56] <brian_> now have u setup a root password yet?
[01:56] <evfreshman2025> a root password?
[01:56] <brian_> lol
[01:57] <Alonea> damn...i was trying to see if I could install MSN on wine...
[01:57] <brian_> sorry to laugh
[01:57] <brian_> hold one
[01:57] <tariq> hello, can someone tell me why I get the msg "no such file or directory" when I try to use ./configure?
[01:57] <evfreshman2025> is that like my account password?
[01:57] <Hasrat_USA> chijin: it takes a little less than 30 seconds for firefox to pick up the player/software from adobe's site and then go forward and play an youtube video
[01:57] <chijin> tariq: you're typing it in the wrong folder
[01:57] <brian_> nope not yet
[01:58] <chijin> tariq: what did you do before you typed ./configure? extracted something?
[01:58] <brian_> hold on im looking for the fix i cannot remeber the command to make the root password...anybody?
[01:58] <evfreshman2025> what do i do now?
[01:58] <brian_> hold on
[01:58] <Nullbyte> brian_, its sudo passwd
[01:58] <Hasrat_USA> Alonea: the best thing you can do, if you don't have much time and interest, is to wait for google to come up with their linux version of googletalk. work is already under progress
[01:58] <Nullbyte> then enter a new password, and enter it again
[01:58] <Nullbyte> then do su
[01:59] <brian_> no the first time root password set
[01:59] <brian_> er yeah ur right sorry
[01:59] <brian_> evf?
[01:59] <evfreshman2025> yes?
[01:59] <brian_> type in what he said
[01:59] <tariq> jep, and I tried typing it both in the folder with the unextracted AND in the folder with the extracted files
[01:59] <brian_> sudo passwd
[01:59] <brian_> pick a password
[02:00] <brian_> irt can be the same as urs
[02:00] <chuck> anyone know when 2.6.17-11 was added to ubuntu edgy?
[02:00] <evfreshman2025> wait...on the terminal type in sudo>?
[02:00] <brian_> yep
[02:00] <brian_> sudo passwd
[02:00] <brian_> thx nullbyte
[02:00] <brian_> brain fart
[02:01] <Nullbyte> brian_: You are welcome!
[02:01] <Hasrat_USA> chuck: nope, although i can find out if i do some simple searches. however, few months ago when i installed U/Kubuntu, it was automatically upgraded to 2.6.17-11 right after installation
[02:01] <romeo_> Hi i am trying to install a cursor theme.. it says i should copy the directory to ~/.icons.. but i dont have a directory like that (i tried typing cd ~/.icons)
[02:01] <tariq> chijin: yep, and I tried typing it both in the folder with the unextracted AND in the folder with the extracted files
[02:01] <evfreshman2025> got it
[02:01] <evfreshman2025> i changed it
[02:01] <brian_> ok good
[02:01] <brian_> now
[02:01] <chuck> ok cool
[02:01] <brian_> type
[02:01] <brian_> su
[02:01] <chuck> hope i don't need to reinstall lirc / nvidia after i do this upgrade   =\
[02:01] <brian_> enter ur password
[02:01] <evfreshman2025> done
[02:01] <evfreshman2025> it says root
[02:01] <gendejesus> ?
[02:02] <brian_> dir
[02:02] <brian_> in term
[02:02] <brian_> for neatness
[02:02] <Hasrat_USA> hopefully you wouldn't need to
[02:02] <evfreshman2025> okay
[02:02] <evfreshman2025> done
[02:02] <gendejesus> WHOS HERE
[02:02] <brian_> the file like flashplayer-installer
[02:02] <Nullbyte> not me, gendejesus
[02:02] <brian_> double left click it
[02:02] <chuck> it'll be good for me if i do. i need practice  =)
[02:02] <HumpBack> With feisty I get some errors about missing alternatives in "update-java-alternatives -s java-1.5.0-sun" about missing javac... But the files are in the path that the update complains.
[02:02] <brian_> in terminal
[02:02] <brian_> copy
[02:02] <brian_> the text
[02:03] <evfreshman2025> okay
[02:03] <evfreshman2025> done
[02:03] <brian_> then type ./"pasted text"
[02:03] <evfreshman2025> to install predd enter
[02:03] <brian_> right click paset of course
[02:03] <Nullbyte> brian_, evfreshman2025: its easier to just drag and drop the file on the terminal window
[02:04] <Nullbyte> instead of that doubleclicking
[02:04] <brian_> that too
[02:04] <evfreshman2025> "please entrer the installation path of Mzilla, Seamonkey or firefox broswert"
[02:04] <brian_> ok
[02:04] <brian_> uh
[02:04] <chijin> evfreshman2025: do you have firefox installed?
[02:04] <evfreshman2025> (i.e., /usr/lib/mozille)
[02:04] <evfreshman2025> yes i do
[02:05] <brian_> i think that is it
[02:05] <chijin> my flash player is installed at ~/.mozilla/plugins
[02:05] <evfreshman2025> so what do i type in as the path
[02:05] <brian_> "/usr/lib/Firefox"
[02:05] <brian_> without quotes
[02:06] <chijin> i ran that same flash installer yesterday and the default path was correct
[02:06] <brian_> ok
[02:06] <chijin> so just pressing enter would do there
[02:06] <evfreshman2025> instillation complete
[02:06] <brian_> ok good
[02:06] <evfreshman2025> perform another installiotn? (y/n)
[02:06] <evfreshman2025> type N?
[02:06] <brian_> go test <--crosses fingers
[02:07] <brian_> correct
[02:07] <brian_> no more installations
[02:07] <evfreshman2025> SON OF A B********** it didnt work!
[02:07] <Nullbyte> haha, oh wow.
[02:08] <brian_> well
[02:08] <chijin> when running the installer, you might just want to press enter to every question except the last one
[02:08] <chijin> or yes/y
[02:08] <chijin> the default values are correct
[02:08] <brian_> chijin may be correct.....probably is
[02:09] <brian_> yeah
[02:09] <brian_> ok evf still got terminal; open
[02:09] <beta> im having all sorts of crazy problems since the last update#
[02:09] <beta> -#
[02:09] <evfreshman2025> just a sec
[02:09] <brian_> okie dokie
[02:10] <brian_> just wait till u need java
[02:10] <brian_> lol
[02:10] <evfreshman2025> okay its open
[02:10] <brian_> back to where you need to be?
[02:10] <evfreshman2025> is there any other way to install this?
[02:10] <brian_> where you were before?
[02:10] <brian_> well apparently u can change ur repositories and get it as a package
[02:11] <evfreshman2025> how the heck do you do that?
[02:11] <brian_> exactly
[02:11] <Nullbyte> x)
[02:11] <chijin> it's easy
[02:11] <Nullbyte> Yes it is
[02:11] <evfreshman2025> how!!!!!?!?!?!!?!??!?!
[02:12] <brian_> i have a grip on it however i do not have the communication skils required to explain it to you...ie i dont have it like the back of my hand
[02:12] <evfreshman2025> oOo
[02:12] <brian_> by all means gentlemen
[02:13] <brian_> sorry its being problematic for you evf dont get discouraged and go back to windows.......just take ur time and learn like the rest of us....
[02:13] <evfreshman2025> hey brian, do you know how to install AIM?
[02:13] <chijin> you need terminal for this and instead of sudo gedit, you need to type kdesu kate: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[02:13] <brian_> it will become eaasier
[02:13] <Nullbyte> evf, you have it already I think
[02:14] <Nullbyte> Look for a program called kopete
[02:14] <Nullbyte> it has it all
[02:14] <brian_> indeed
[02:14] <brian_> webcams work in kopete
[02:14] <brian_> amazing
[02:14] <brian_> bout time
[02:15] <Nullbyte> its some time ago, actually
[02:15] <brian_> hmmm
[02:16] <brian_> guess its been awhile since i used it last then
[02:16] <brian_> was just using debian-kde-ymessenger
[02:16] <brian_> dont have an aim account
[02:16] <castoff> hum
[02:16] <castoff> got quiet
[02:17] <laptop> ANy cool repositories you recommend?
[02:17] <brian_> yeah i need sleep sorry I couldnt get it workin for ya later all
[02:17] <laptop> How can I get an Ubuntu upgrade, is it feisty too?
[02:17] <Tm_T> !upgrade
[02:17] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:18] <Tm_T> really cool repository: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted
[02:18] <laptop> why is it so cool?
[02:18] <evfreshman2025> grrrr Kopete is being retarted!!!
[02:18] <Nullbyte> Hm?
[02:18] <evfreshman2025> it dosent show any of my friends
[02:18] <Nullbyte> Whats wrong?
[02:18] <Nullbyte> x)
[02:18] <Nullbyte> Have you logged in yet?
[02:18] <evfreshman2025> yes
[02:19] <evfreshman2025> and i cant figure out how to log out
[02:19] <Nullbyte> on your aim account?
[02:19] <Tm_T> laptop: well, security is always cool
[02:19] <evfreshman2025> yes...how do you log out?
[02:19] <laptop> Okay Question
[02:19] <Alonea> ok, I cant seem to get iE6 sps1 to install on wine...it gets to the "update windows" stage and then stops and says to try closing all applications and try again..
[02:20] <laptop> I noticed that my network admin can control and move around the mouse on our computers, is that because he has Remote Desktop ENABLED (windows) and if I bring my UBUNTU laptop to work can I use that and he wont be able to get into it?@
[02:20] <evfreshman2025> Hello?
[02:20] <Tm_T> laptop: yes
[02:21] <evfreshman2025> how do you log out of Kopete?
[02:21] <Alonea> I dont want it to use, but so I can install other apps that look for it..
[02:21] <laptop> Tm_T yes he would , yes he wouldnt?
[02:21] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: rightclick kopete icon in systray for example
[02:21] <laptop> sorry my question was the problem
[02:21] <evfreshman2025> okay
[02:21] <Tm_T> laptop: either way, depends if you let him to
[02:22] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: anyway, it prolly isn't kopete's fault if you don't see any friends
[02:22] <evfreshman2025> how do i transfer my friends over to Kopete?
[02:23] <Tm_T> well, don't know about AIM but it should do that kind of stuff automatically
[02:23] <Tm_T> doublecheck settings, doublecheck
[02:24] <Alonea> *is frustrated* I can't seem to get anything that I want to work, to work.
[02:24] <evfreshman2025> it says i have one friend!
[02:24] <evfreshman2025> ha!
[02:24] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: congrats!
[02:24] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: some day you have full social network!
[02:24] <evfreshman2025> lol well i kinda have like 150, so one is shiot
[02:24] <frojnd> where is located kaffeine
[02:24] <Tm_T> (or atleast half full or so)
[02:25] <frojnd> so  I can execute it?
[02:25] <Tm_T> frojnd: hmm, just say "kaffeine" you don't need to locate it really
[02:25] <frojnd> Tm_T: ok so other program can use kaffeine: like amule for preview
[02:26] <Tm_T> frojnd: but for locating stuff, "which kaffeine" tells where most preferred executable is (mostly only exec anyway)
[02:26] <Tm_T> Jucato: morning
[02:26] <carutsu> Hello I'm having problems with my sound
[02:27] <evfreshman2025> THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP!!!!
[02:27] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: no problemo and no need to yell ;)
[02:27] <carutsu> !arts
[02:27] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.4-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[02:27] <Jucato> moin Tm_T! :)
[02:27] <Tm_T> moinmoin!
[02:27] <Tm_T> !sound | carutsu
[02:27] <ubotu> carutsu: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:27] <carutsu> I'm quite sure it's running
[02:27] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:28] <Jucato> Tm_T: looks like you got my timezone right this time. :)
[02:28] <carutsu> i even killed it and restarted it several times, reinstaled it...
[02:28] <carutsu> i just cant think anything else i should do
[02:28] <Tm_T> carutsu: well, look those links?
[02:28] <Tm_T> carutsu: also, tell what is your problem ;)
[02:29] <carutsu> Well i hadn't any problems at all, the sound just stopped working
[02:29] <carutsu> in windows i do have sound, so it has to be something kubuntu-releated
[02:29] <carutsu> i tried turning off and on the sound, killing and respawning the arts daemon, reinstaling arts
[02:30] <Tm_T> hmm, I don't use arts so I don't know
[02:30] <carutsu> what do you use>
[02:30] <Tm_T> alsa directly
[02:30] <carutsu> eh?, how?
[02:31] <conr4> Instrucciones
[02:31] <conr4> somebody speak spanish here?
[02:31] <conr4> xD
[02:31] <Jucato> !es | conr4
[02:31] <ubotu> conr4: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:31] <conr4> ok thankz xD
[02:31] <Tm_T> carutsu: did you look those links? also, where sound doesn't work?
[02:31] <carutsu> doesnt work at all
[02:32] <carutsu> Tm_T wait a second i'm following a guide
[02:33] <Tm_T> carutsu: try "alsaplayer audiofile.foo" for example ;)
[02:33] <carutsu> Tm_T i dont have alsaplayer
[02:34] <Tm_T> carutsu: install it then? ;)
[02:35] <Tm_T> carutsu: "sudo apt-get install alsaplayer-alsa alsaplayer-text"
[02:35] <carutsu> Tm_T may i ask what for if i have amarok?
[02:35] <NightBird> this tells me to pull the git repo, however I can't pull via git due to my college's firewall
[02:35] <slestak> anyone use dnsmasq for dhcp server?
[02:36] <Tm_T> carutsu: we'll get that for later, I like to know if alsa works at all there
[02:36] <carutsu> ok
[02:37] <Tm_T> that means, we need to locate problem until we can try to fix it ;)
[02:37] <Tm_T> carutsu: also, doublecheck volumesettings
[02:37] <carutsu> i did with kamix, any other place?
[02:38] <Tm_T> alsamix, though it would be the same I guess
[02:40] <carutsu> i've already instaled alsaplayer however i cant run it
[02:40] <Tm_T> because?
[02:41] <|Hector|> hi to everybody....does anyone have Kubuntu istalled?
[02:41] <conr4> yes
[02:41] <Tm_T> |Hector|: I assume most of us
[02:41] <conr4> i have it
[02:41] <carutsu> says command not found, i'm writting alsaplayer
[02:41] <|Hector|> sorry for my english:)
[02:41] <conr4> jajaja doesnt matter i talk bad to xD
[02:42] <laptop> WHat is the equivalent to the EXE in Windows? and what is the equivalent to "Program File" folder ???
[02:42] <carutsu> Tm_T ayer
[02:42] <laptop> please
[02:42] <soulrider> laptop:
[02:42] <soulrider> you will see that binary files
[02:42] <soulrider> like an exe in windows
[02:42] <soulrider> dont really have extensions here
[02:42] <|Hector|> i have some trouble:( a installed beryl, but htne unistall this....and now, a can't normal login to Kubuntu...only console appearing, and startx doesn't help:(
[02:42] <Tm_T> soulrider: don't lean to enter that much ;)
[02:43] <|Hector|> can login only as root
[02:43] <carutsu> Tm_T i had to install alsaplayer-common only
[02:43] <carutsu> xD!
[02:43] <Tm_T> carutsu: interesting
[02:43] <soulrider> laptop: also, how the files are organized is different, but yo will find lots of the programs are under /usr/
[02:43] <cpk1> !w32
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <carutsu> mad_open() failed
[02:43] <carutsu> mad_open() failed
[02:43] <carutsu> mad_open() failed
[02:43] <carutsu> that
[02:43] <soulrider> laptop: im not sure where they really go actually, i just dont need to know wither
[02:44] <Tm_T> carutsu: hrr, no flooding please
[02:44] <carutsu> that's what that told me... anything to do with mp3 files?
[02:44] <|Hector|> can you help me please? what i have to change
[02:44] <carutsu> Tm_T just 3 lines
[02:44] <Tm_T> carutsu: 3 same lines, that's spamming imo ;)
[02:44] <carutsu> >_> oh well, any ides?
[02:44] <carutsu> *ideas
[02:44] <Tm_T> carutsu: anyway, try wav or ogg or something
[02:44] <carutsu> ok
[02:45] <conr4> hey friends
[02:45] <conr4> i have a problem
[02:45] <|Hector|> me too
[02:45] <|Hector|> :))
[02:45] <soulrider> what is it? ask
[02:45] <conr4> mi amarok doesnt read mp3 files
[02:45] <conr4> :(
[02:45] <soulrider> !mp3
[02:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:45] <|Hector|> you need to istall codecs
[02:45] <soulrider> read the guide on how to install mp3 support
[02:46] <conr4> aja like?
[02:46] <conr4> ok
[02:46] <soulrider> i think you just need to do "sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs" in a console
[02:46] <conr4> okz thank
[02:46] <conr4> i will try
[02:46] <|Hector|> correct:)
[02:46] <|Hector|> and what about my problem?
[02:46] <|Hector|> any ideas?
[02:46] <|Hector|> :)
[02:47] <carutsu> Tm_T it says it's playing it, but no sound come
[02:47] <Tm_T> carutsu: then that's interesting, I bet you have mute somewhere or similar
[02:47] <soulrider> |Hector|: i dont really know...
[02:48] <soulrider> |Hector|: i would change my xorg configuration to use the default video driver that comes with ubuntu
[02:48] <carutsu> Tm_T, i tried Kmix and alsamix, any other ides?
[02:48] <soulrider> and see if x starts that way
[02:48] <carutsu> *ideas?
[02:48] <Tm_T> carutsu: doublecheck ;)
[02:48] <soulrider> brb
[02:49] <|Hector|> in console it's write TTY session, when i put my login and password, its ok, but when i write startx, nothing, fatal error
[02:49] <conr4> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:49] <conr4> :(
[02:49] <|Hector|> soulrider i use aigl driver, nothing to install
[02:50] <|Hector|> conr4 do you have adept running?
[02:50] <Hasrat_USA> what's a good site for testing to see if mozilla is able to play embedded videos perfectly?
[02:50] <|Hector|> youtube
[02:51] <Tm_T> root: I don't recommend to irc as root
[02:51] <conr4> yes
[02:51] <conr4> yes i running adept
[02:51] <conr4> :S
[02:51] <root> oh crap that's right I was testing X and forgot doh! brb
[02:51] <root> exit
[02:51] <conr4> okz
[02:51] <|Hector|> conr4 then close it and install in console
[02:51] <conr4> okz thanks
[02:52] <carutsu> Tm_TFIXED!!!!
[02:52] <carutsu> Tm_T FIXED!!!!
[02:52] <Tm_T> good
[02:52] <Tm_T> what was it?
[02:52] <conr4> No se encontr ninguna versin candidata para libxine-extracodecs
[02:52] <conr4> No se instalar, actualizar o eliminar ningn paquete.
[02:52] <carutsu> Tm_T you wouldn't belive what was wrong, the output channel
[02:52] <Hasrat_USA> |Hector|: nope
[02:52] <Hasrat_USA> |Hector|: youtube hosts video files that are embedded inside another flash movie
[02:53] <carutsu> conr, hablo espaol pero no puedo ayudarte, ve hacia #kubuntu-es
[02:53] <laptop> I need to know because I have a file that is media and my Firefox browser is asking me which player I want to use....I need to browse to it
[02:53] <conr4> ok gracias pero ahi no hay nadie :(
[02:53] <Tm_T> carutsu: =)
[02:53] <|Hector|> conr..you need to "apt-get update"
[02:54] <carutsu> Tm_T in alsamixer the second options says which syas "headphone", i ha changed it somehow to line in or something so the audio streaming was going that channel instead
[02:54] <|Hector|> Tm_T can you help me with my login window? please:)
[02:54] <Tm_T> carutsu: woohoo :)
[02:54] <Tm_T> carutsu: you see, start from roots ;)
[02:55] <carutsu> Tm_T: yep, it was driving me crasy
[02:56] <racarr> I hate glade with a passion
[02:58] <racarr> oh I understand now
[02:58] <racarr> not so bad
[02:58] <racarr> ...
[02:58] <Nullbyte> what?
[02:58] <racarr> err
[02:58] <conr4> thanks hector
[02:58] <racarr> that was the entirely wrong channel
[02:59] <Nullbyte> I see
[02:59] <racarr> ...sorry
[02:59] <Nullbyte> You are welcome!
[02:59] <|Hector|> conr4 work?
[03:01] <conr4> yes xD
[03:01] <conr4> but i have to install the other libraries
[03:01] <|Hector|> conr4 you welcome;)
[03:02] <laptop> SO if I download a .bin file I can run from that?
[03:02] <|Hector|> anybody knows about login window?:(
[03:02] <|Hector|> or, where i can find standart xorg.conf?
[03:10] <conr4> hi
[03:10] <conr4> xD
[03:15] <slyfox> how do I force delete a folder (direcory) ?
[03:15] <conr4> move to recycler xD
[03:15] <conr4> sorry i dont know anything
[03:15] <conr4> :S
[03:15] <conr4> i cant help you
[03:16] <Jucato> slyfox: what do you mean?
[03:16] <Jucato> in Konqueror or the command line?
[03:17] <meme-1> Hey folks, I wonder how many newbies have brought this up before.... nevertheless... one of the most infuriating aspects of Linux (Gnome in my case) is that when installing s/w (through Synaptic in my case) one is NEVER given a choice where the s/w will install and under which menu it will install. In addition, s/w seems to "haphazardly" install in many different locations (sometime in my usr folder, sometimes in sbin, sometimes....)  I wish
[03:17] <meme-1> there was a way to force all apps to install in ONE location only; of course each in their own separate folders.
[03:17] <meme-1> I know that if I install from terminal, I will have more options open to me.
[03:18] <conr4> jajaja
[03:18] <Jucato> meme-1: Linux doesn't haphazardly install to some random locations
[03:18] <conr4> everybody knows that windows is "$#&"#
[03:18] <conr4> xD
[03:18] <Jucato> it follows a directory structure, unlike Windows, which just dumps everything in one folder per app
[03:18] <meme-1> Haphazardly - note my quotes/
[03:19] <slyfox> Jucato: both
[03:19] <Jucato> ok... Linux doesn't "haphazardly" install to some random locations. :)
[03:19] <Jucato> slyfox: by "force" you mean "don't move to Trash anymore"? delete completely?
[03:20] <meme-1> I know it isn't haphazard.... but when apps appear to install in many different locations that is how it seems to a newbie.
[03:20] <Jucato> yes. then it's time for that newbie to learn a bit. learning never hurts. :)
[03:20] <slyfox> Jucato: I just want to delete this folder ./beryl and cannot via konqueror.
[03:20] <nonuda_> !xgl
[03:20] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:20] <Jucato> but most newbies won't even bother trying to figure out where they are installed in the first place
[03:21] <meme-1> More to the point, I wish I could control where the app appears in the Gnome menus.
[03:21] <Jucato> slyfox: how come you can't?
[03:21] <meme-1> Nothing wrong with "wishing" for that.
[03:21] <conr4> what is wishing?
[03:21] <conr4> :S
[03:21] <Jucato> meme-1: you could just edit the menu if you want. (but this is KDE btw)
[03:21] <meme-1> Yes, I know I can edit.
[03:21] <slyfox> Jucato: um  actually I can :)
[03:21] <Jucato> meme-1: where launchers/entries are put in the menu are actually following a standard
[03:22] <conr4> what means wishing?
[03:22] <conr4> jejeje
[03:22] <meme-1> Yes, but sometimes apps (or game in this case) appear to install "perfectly" but is nowhere to be found (in menu).
[03:23] <wildcat16> i'm trying out kubuntu ^^
[03:23] <Jucato> meme-1: that's because of 2 possible causes: 1) the app wasn't meant to have a menu entry (it's a command line app) or 2) it doesn't follow the said standard
[03:23] <wildcat16> 57%
[03:24] <meme-1> Yes, I am admittingly a newbie... I was recently hired to learning ubuntu and write a book for newbies on how to use it. I am not afraid of learning. I was just pointing out a huge/obvious difference between Windows and Linux.
[03:24] <wildcat16> meme-1: usually, there's a folder for the app in /lib | /usr/lib | /usr/local/lib | /usr/local/bin | ...
[03:24] <wildcat16> from there you could build a shortcut...
[03:25] <Jucato> meme-1: of course there will be a huge difference. Lesson #1: Linux isn't Windows
[03:25] <nonuda_> !xorg
[03:25] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:25] <meme-1> Duh... can't write tonight. I was hired to learn ubuntu and write a course (I am a technical writer).
[03:25] <Jucato> meme-1: Lesson #2: Linux was never a replacement for Windows (in the sense that it tries to be a "free version" of Windows)
[03:26] <wildcat16> Linux >> programmers / hobyists       Windows>> plug N play
[03:26] <Jucato> wildcat16: false
[03:26] <Netboy541> where the devil is the modprobe.conf equivalent?
[03:26] <meme-1> Jucato.... hold on there.... Many Linux people want Linux to be more like Windows in order to get the masses over to Linux. This is a very clear intent. The masses will never migrate to Linux so long as the command line is necessary.
[03:26] <wildcat16> ^^
[03:26] <slestak> wildcat16: not quit, i spent 3 hours last night trying to get freakin vista to seem my networked laser printer.  not quit plug and play
[03:27] <wildcat16> lol
[03:27] <Netboy541> i've spent two freakin' weeks trying to get a TV card to work
[03:27] <Jucato> meme-1: that's a very broad assumption to make of "many Linux people"
[03:27] <Netboy541> took 3 minutes in windows.
[03:27] <conr4> jajajaja but i live linux
[03:27] <conr4> xD
[03:27] <conr4> love*
[03:27] <meme-1> Linus has stated this.... I could give you references if you like.
[03:27] <Jucato> Netboy541: let me guess. that TV Card was "works with Windows"?
[03:27] <nonuda_> !beryl
[03:27] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:28] <Jucato> meme-1: what "most" (still an assumption) want is Linux to be "as easy" to use as Windows. Not to mimick it in every technical detail
[03:28] <Netboy541> they claim it works with linux, since it has the phillips saa7134 chipset
[03:28] <Jucato> meme-1: that's a big difference
[03:28] <Netboy541> but it don't.
[03:28] <Netboy541> it don't work, that is.
[03:28] <DigitDial> Heh, now if only I could get beryl to work. :p
[03:29] <meme-1> Jucato: It's not about mimicking. No... and if it appeared as though I implied that.. I apologize. No.. it is about making it as easy to use as Mac or Windows.
[03:29] <Netboy541> for linux to ever catch on, it must be easier than what it is.
[03:29] <slestak> i showed some guys beryl .2 on my e1505 tonight and may have some converts
[03:29] <meme-1> Let's face it... if there were never the intent, Synaptic would not exist.
[03:29] <wildcat16> anyone knows if i can pause a download and resume it after reboot (like tomorrow) ?
[03:29] <Netboy541> i'm a avid linux guy, but this TV card has pressed my patience to it's limits.
[03:30] <wildcat16> (from aptitude)
[03:30] <slestak> wildcat16: what are you dl with?
[03:30] <Netboy541> especially after plugging it in to a windows box, and it works....  linux will never catch on if a user has to go through all of that to make it work.
[03:30] <Jucato> meme-1: 1) yes it did appear you were saying that, because of your first argument (about where it installs files) 2) and it's getting there (easier to use). You have to take many factors into consideration about Linux, why it's still "just" getting there
[03:30] <slestak> i think it will resume.
[03:30] <meme-1> The question is... as more newbies come on board (thx in part to distros like ubuntu) will you experts lose patience with all the "dumb" questions?
[03:30] <Jucato> meme-1: and it's false that you absolutely need to use the CLI to be able to use Linux. there are many heavily GUI-oriented distros there
[03:31] <Jucato> meme-1: the only dumb questions are those that arent' asked :)
[03:31] <wildcat16> slestak: by clicking on the file and/or passing it as arg?
[03:31] <meme-1> :-)
[03:32] <slestak> wildcat16: just atart the install again, and I ~think~ it will pick up where it left off
[03:32] <Jucato> meme-1: if you're hired to learn about Ubuntu, you might convince your office to procure you some of the available Ubuntu books to help you :)
[03:32] <Jucato> meme-1: like "Ubuntu for non-geeks"
[03:32] <wildcat16> wait i'll try a dummy one ^^
[03:33] <meme-1> does it count that I could probably still write an operating manual for VAX (11/780)? lol
[03:33] <Jucato> slestak: as long at it hasn't gotten to the point of installing the packages, yes you can (afaik)
[03:33] <slestak> u/k/xubuntu makes it about as painless as it can get for a fully featured distro
[03:34] <Tm_T> slestak: and improving all the time
[03:34] <Jucato> (in some ways...)
[03:34] <meme-1> Jucato: Actually I already own (I believe) every ubuntu book published to date.
[03:34] <Jucato> meme-1: heh :)
[03:34] <Tm_T> Jucato: btw who's those experts someone mentioned?
[03:34] <Jucato> Tm_T: you
[03:34] <Tm_T> awww
[03:34] <Tm_T> we are doomed!
[03:35] <Tm_T> back to compiling kdepim ->
[03:35] <slestak> when im evangelizing, usually i give people pclinuxos livecd for their first installm then show them kububtu when they have expressed an interest to learn more
[03:35] <Tm_T> Jucato: ?
[03:35] <pollyo> Hello
[03:35] <slestak> anyone use dnamsg for dhcp server?
[03:35] <slestak> dnsmasq i mean
[03:36] <Tm_T> Jucato: mind to explain? (or is elaborate correct word here)
[03:36] <Jucato> Tm_T: hehe tried doing a Google search on you :)
[03:36] <Tm_T> by using what as search word?
[03:37] <Jucato> :D
[03:37] <Tm_T> Jucato: because I can find myself in google
[03:37] <Jucato> brb
[03:37] <meme-1> So... getting back... I wanted to relax tonight and also get some insight on the Linux side of gaming... I just installed vegastrike but after 158mb of downloading (through Synaptic) I don't know what the heck happened to it?
[03:38] <Tm_T> meme-1: try again?
[03:38] <laptop> it dissapeared?
[03:38] <meme-1> Honestly - for educational purposes only. lol
[03:38] <meme-1> It should have appeared under games.
[03:38] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:38] <meme-1> Oh... someone mentioned earlier that I was using KDE... nope, I am using Gnome.
[03:39] <Tm_T> sidenote: I like fretsonfire <3
[03:40] <meme-1> Tm_T: Try again.... but according to Synaptic, it's definately installed. This is not the first time I've installed an application that appears to "disappear."
[03:40] <Tm_T> meme-1: hmm, I don't know about gnome how you "refresh" menus and such
[03:43] <Jucato> meme-1: you might also want to ask in #ubuntu
[03:43] <compilerwriter1> What the hell.  I just had to run adept four times to get it to do the updates it was telling me were availiable?
[03:43] <slestak> meme-1: i think someone was just reminding you that you are in #kubuntu instead of #ubuntu
[04:00] <meme-1> slestak: Why? What is the difference? I am using kubuntu.
[04:00] <Jucato> meme-1: Kubuntu uses KDE. you seem to be describing GNOME behavior/features
[04:00] <Jucato> (like Synamptic, GNOME menu, etc)
[04:00] <pollyo> meme-1: I believe that kubuntu installs kde by default.  Did you install Gnome as well?
[04:00] <meme-1> pollyo: Had KDE to start out... but after installing some app (unknown now), it installed Gnome. It was a rather surprizing change especially because I did not know it was going to happen.
[04:00] <steve_> Hi all
[04:00] <pollyo> meme-1: Do you have the option to start up in either Gnome or KDE or does it automatically load into Gnome now?
[04:00] <steve_> Would someone help a newbie install a tarball program?
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: what is it?
[04:00] <meme-1> pollyo: No option, it is just Gnome now with a bear print background screen (rather nice actually).
[04:00] <steve_> wildcat16, the program is ksudoku
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: go in the extracted tarball
[04:00] <Jucato> meme-1: in the login screen, there's a menu that will let you choose which session you want to log into
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: type "./configure"
[04:00] <Jucato> !info ksudoku | steve_
[04:00] <ubotu> steve_: ksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-4ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 119 kB, installed size 360 kB
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: "make"
[04:00] <pollyo> meme-1: I recall installing a debian system that would allow me to select KDE or Gnome desktop when logging in.
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: make install
[04:00] <Jucato> steve_: save yourself the trouble and install from the repositories
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: synaptic
[04:00] <meme-2> Jucato: Nope. :-)  Just username and pass.
[04:00] <Jucato> wildcat16: you're on #kubuntu :)
[04:00] <meme-2> Lost my internet connection. :-(
[04:00] <Jucato> meme-2: what design is the login screen? is it blue or brown?
[04:00] <wildcat16> lol (not finished downloading yet)
[04:00] <meme-2> Jucato: Might be considered brown or golden (definately a Kubuntu screen)
[04:00] <Jucato> meme-2: um.. Kubuntu uses a blue/purple login screen. so that's definitely an Ubuntu screen
[04:00] <Tm_T> :)
[04:00] <steve_> wildcat, the instructions told me to do this: Extract the file to a local directory, which I did. Open a terminal there and run sudo ./fastinstall.sh. When I did I received an error msg that said cmake not found
[04:00] <Jucato> meme-2: I can't remember how it's done in Ubuntu, but there should be a button or menu somewhere (possibly at the bottom) that lets you choose your session. you can either log into GNOME or KDE
[04:00] <Tm_T> yup
[04:00] <steve_> jucato, I didn't see it in synaptic
[04:00] <Jucato> steve_: question: why are you trying to compile ksudoku?
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: look at what is in fastinstall.sh and look for what's wrong..
[04:00] <Tm_T> meme-1: I think it says "session" or similar
[04:00] <meme-2> Jucato: I will check that out. Perhaps I am incorrect.
[04:00] <steve_> wildcat16, I'm a real newbie. How do I look in fastinstall.sh?
[04:00] <Jucato> !info ksudoku
[04:00] <ubotu> ksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-4ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 119 kB, installed size 360 kB
[04:00] <Jucato> steve_: ^^^^
[04:00] <Jucato> it's available from the repositories
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: "less" or "cat"
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: "vim"
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: actually >> vim fastinstall.sh
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: you may need to be root to change the file's content
[04:00] <steve_> wildcat, let me see if I can find it in the repositories since jucato thinks it's there
[04:00] <wildcat16> :)
[04:00] <Jucato> I don't "think" it's there. I know it's there. see the info from the bot
[04:00] <steve_> jucato, I must not have the repository because I did a search and still didn't find it
[04:00] <genii> Yes, if there's a deb file for it why compile from source unless you need some feature builtin that requires it??
[04:00] <Jucato> steve_: you need to enable the "universe" repository
[04:00] <steve_> jucato, let me go look at the repositories. I'll be right back
[04:00] <meme-3> Blasted COX Internet! lol
[04:00] <Jucato> now there's 3 of you...
[04:00] <SeveredCross> LOL
[04:00] <steve_> jucato, got it! Thanks
[04:00] <meme-3> Well I can't kick off meme-1 and 2... does someone have the authority?
[04:00] <Jucato> see? easier than having to install build-essential, running scripts, trying to figure out dependencies, etc.
[04:00] <meme-3> or just wait for them to time out.
[04:01] <meme-3> That was fun.
[04:01] <Jucato> :)
[04:01] <meme-3> The powers! All hail to Jucato. lol
[04:01] <steve_> jucato, I know but when you don't see it what else are yougoing to do? Besides I wanted to learn how to do it from a tarball in case I needed to install something that way.
[04:01] <Jucato> hah
[04:01] <Jucato> !compile | steve_
[04:01] <ubotu> steve_: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:01] <Jucato> :)
[04:03] <steve_> jucato, I had enabled some of the repositories but then I started getting some errors so I disabled some of them. Plus I didn't know if I should enable ones that wasn't supported
[04:03] <hendaus> hiya
[04:03] <Jucato> everything from archive.ubunt.com (and it's mirrors) and kubuntu.org are "official"
[04:03] <Jucato> er.. archive.ubuntu.com
[04:04] <hendaus> helpers help me please/
[04:04] <meme-3> Can someone please tell me the equivelant to this DOS command: dir /s vega*.*  (search reclusively for anything beginning with vega): I believe it will be something like ls -R vega*.* (but the vega*.* doesn't work)
[04:04] <SeveredCross> ls -r | grep vega*.*
[04:04] <Jucato> ls -r vega*
[04:05] <SeveredCross> Err, that too, heh.
[04:05] <Jucato> :)
[04:05] <Jucato> !ask | hendaus
[04:05] <ubotu> hendaus: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:05] <meme-3> I very much dislike the file search feature in "file browser"
[04:05] <steve_> jucato, thanks for the help
[04:05] <SeveredCross> I actually am on Windows even at the moment, mucked up my Kubuntu install.
[04:05] <meme-3> Is using grep faster?
[04:05] <SeveredCross> Technically, no.
[04:06] <Jucato> nope...
[04:06] <Jucato> it's also redundant in this case...
[04:06] <SeveredCross> Since you have to do more I/O operations per line of text. :)
[04:06] <steve_> jucato, well I'm going to go and play a little sudoku...thank again
[04:06] <meme-3> Thank you :-)
[04:06] <ffffu> what's the app tool to convert from avi to mpeg in kubuntu>
[04:06] <ffffu> what's the app tool to convert from avi to mpeg in kubuntu?
[04:06] <SeveredCross> ffmpeg?
[04:06] <Jucato> steve_: hehe ok :)
[04:06] <Jucato> ffmpeg, mencoder, etc....
[04:07] <meme-3> Is "ls -r | grep vega*.* or "
[04:07] <Jucato> meme-3: btw, the Find (kfind program) is not equivalent to ls/dir command. it's really a search/find utility
[04:07] <Jucato> meme-3: ls -r vega*
[04:07] <meme-3> Is "ls -r | grep vega*.*" or "ls -r vega*" assuming begin search at root?
[04:08] <DigitDial> Hmm ... I really hate to ask; but, I've exhausted myself searching google for the answer ... does anyone happen to know the proper way to get beryl running w/ a Radeon X1900XT & Kubuntu? Any website at this point will be better than none. :)~
[04:08] <hendaus> Jucato,  thanx, i need to configure the port from xgnokii
[04:08] <Jucato> (or: find / -iname 'vega*')
[04:08] <hsystem-x> lol.
[04:08] <Jucato> !beryl | DigitDial
[04:08] <ubotu> DigitDial: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:08] <Jucato> that website and channel ^^^
[04:09] <Jucato> hsystem-x: hm... no knowledge of xgnokii and relatives :(
[04:09] <DigitDial> Jucato: Ahh, thank you much.
[04:09] <hsystem-x> lol :S.
[04:09] <slestak> lol, that what i need to be doing
[04:09] <hendaus> Jucato,  my nokia cell phone is 6230
[04:10] <hsystem-x> www.beryl-project.org - there you will find the necessary instructions...
[04:10] <conr4> jajajajajaja
[04:10] <Jucato> mine is 6600... and I haven't even tried to sync it :(
[04:10] <conr4> estoy oyendo mp3
[04:10] <conr4> jajajajajajaja
[04:10] <SeveredCross> Be warned that installing the fglrx drivers is a pain in the rear.
[04:10] <Jucato> I thought that was already a given, considering it's ATI? :D
[04:10] <hendaus> Jucato,  on windows i use Nokia_PC_Suite_682_rel_22_0_eng_web.msi
[04:10] <SeveredCross> Yeah, well.
[04:10] <SeveredCross> Fair enough.
[04:10] <Jucato> ok really going back to studying... :/
[04:11] <SeveredCross> NVidia drivers have always been easier to install.
[04:11] <Jucato> hendaus: heh haven't really used the PC Suite either lol
[04:11] <genii> Jucato :)
[04:11] <meme-3> Okay, something is wrong.... I immediately get the error, "ls: vega*: No such file or directory"
[04:11] <SeveredCross> Even using bloody Envy, it's hard.
[04:11] <SeveredCross> Hmm...
[04:11] <meme-3> Not even searching....
[04:11] <ffffu> Jucato: is there a user friendly convertor ?
[04:11] <SeveredCross> ls -r vega* doesn't work?
[04:11] <Jucato> meme-3: ok... what exactly are you trying to accomplish btw?
[04:11] <hendaus> Jucato,  gracias amigo pero estoy convencido que hay alguna solucion :)
[04:11] <Jucato> ffffu: not really sure...
[04:11] <SeveredCross> VLC can do it too.
[04:11] <Jucato> hendaus: I don't speak spanish btw. despite my name
[04:11] <hsystem-x> hablan espa~ol... que bn :D
[04:11] <SeveredCross> Though you'll have to read up on its manual.
[04:11] <Jucato> !es
[04:11] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:11] <meme-3> I am trying to find out where vegastrike is located. It is somewhere on this darn hard drive.
[04:12] <conr4> i am so sorry
[04:12] <Jucato> ah ls is not the proper tool I guess
[04:12] <meme-3> ServeredCross: correct... doesn't seem to be searching
[04:12] <conr4> xD
[04:12] <meme-3> DOH!
[04:12] <Jucato> meme-3: wrong tool for the job :)
[04:12] <SeveredCross> LOL, yeah.
[04:12] <SeveredCross> Kfind would be better.
[04:12] <Jucato> meme-3: find . -iname 'vega*'
[04:12] <meme-3> Can I buy a clue?  Ah.. Kfind
[04:12] <meme-3> find?
[04:13] <Jucato> find is the command line backend of kfind
[04:13] <meme-3> cool, that worked!
[04:13] <meme-3> Found it.
[04:13] <hsystem-x> anyone knows a program for LInux, (don't tell me wine), that allow me to access ares chat servers? . I don't want to emulate ares on linux :S.
[04:14] <conr4> wine
[04:14] <conr4> !!!
[04:14] <conr4> jajaja
[04:14] <hsystem-x> wine sucks lol
[04:14] <conr4> wine isnt a emulator
[04:14] <conr4> but is the best for that
[04:14] <SeveredCross> Wine is okay.
[04:14] <SeveredCross> Works some things.
[04:14] <Jucato> meme-3: find (command) . (that's a dot, means start finding from the current directory) -iname (with a name, case insensitive) 'vega*' (starts with vega, ends with anything)
[04:14] <hsystem-x> it works... but i don't like it... sometimes is so buggy :S
[04:16] <KaoticEvil> has anyone ever done remote X?
[04:17] <SolidSource> yes...has issues
[04:17] <hsystem-x> damn automatix... is down... lol
[04:17] <KaoticEvil> over LAN?
[04:18] <SolidSource> KaoticEvil: yes
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> SolidSource: what kind of issues?
[04:18] <genii> KaoticEvil: You can use several solutions. X forwarding, a vnc client, or freenx
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> im looking for something better than VNC
[04:18] <hendaus> who knows here about xgnokii?
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> genii: whats freenx?
[04:18] <SolidSource> KaoticEvil: issue came in that it crashed the server side when logging out, tried SSH and XDMCP with all the same
[04:19] <genii> KaoticEvil: Are some of the clients windoze-based?
[04:19] <kkerwin> Hi. Anyone had any luck with an Orinoco 8480-WD card?
[04:19] <KaoticEvil> genii: the host is windows based, for right now... but im considering going to linux on that box
[04:19] <KaoticEvil> but the only client would be my buntu box
[04:20] <KaoticEvil> i would use VNC on windows
[04:20] <genii> KaoticEvil I would suggest freenx as the best solution then, but the most difficult to setup since there is currently no native package.
[04:20] <KaoticEvil> that figures lol
[04:20] <KaoticEvil> genii: what about rfb?
[04:22] <genii> KaoticEvil: I used it briefly and had weird cutouts etc. Freenx works almost in realtime, so way better than vnc for instance. x forwarding works good generally if you just want to run specific apps for instance and not the entire desktop on a windoze client
[04:22] <hsystem-x> hey, anyone here that knows about an environment development for c++, i mean i use g++ but what about one with GUI?
[04:22] <hsystem-x> (compiler).
[04:22] <Morbo> kdevelop?
[04:22] <Morbo> Well kdevelop =/= compiler
[04:22] <Morbo> I imagine it uses gcc and friends
[04:23] <hsystem-x> ok, thx.
[04:23] <KaoticEvil> genii: im only looking for something good to work on my server...
[04:23] <KaoticEvil> genii: my server box currently (and probably wont) has no input/output devices.. save for a NIC
[04:24] <KaoticEvil> i guess VNC will work for that.. once i get everything going properly, i shouldnt need to access it much
[04:24] <genii> KaoticEvil: So the clients generally use what OS?
[04:25] <hsystem-x> love linux ^^
[04:25] <hendaus> SolidSource,  do u know about gnokii?
[04:25] <SeveredCross> KDevelop, Eclipse.
[04:25] <SeveredCross> By the way, has anyone had luck getting MonoDevelop to run without installing all of Gnome?
[04:25] <SolidSource> hendaus: of yes...never used though
[04:26] <MikeConigliaro-> guys, i have a brand new hp dv6000 laptop with quickplay buttons, and somehow they all work.  the dvd button launches amarok, and i can skip through the tracks.  the volume controls even give me an on-screen display.  does anyone know what software controls this?
[04:26] <SeveredCross> MikeConigliaro-: Probably a kernel module, I don't know which one though.
[04:26] <hendaus> SolidSource,  is there a solution for my nokia6230/
[04:26] <MikeConigliaro-> they only work once in in kde
[04:26] <MikeConigliaro-> once im logged in
[04:27] <SeveredCross> All the media buttons on the front of my Dell Inspiron E1705 work fine, with some minor tweaks to make Amarok use the Play/Pause button as a Play/Pause button rather than Play only.
[04:27] <KaoticEvil> genii: well, one is WinXP Pro, and one is kubuntu, and one is Vista
[04:27] <SeveredCross> MikeConigliaro-: Then KDE's katching those inputs.
[04:27] <KaoticEvil> actually, 2 are XP Pro
[04:27] <SeveredCross> Oh God, I just wrote katching instead of catching..
[04:27] <SeveredCross> Someone please kill me.
[04:28] <genii> KaoticEvil: In this case, X forwarding looks like the best option for you. You can set the windoze boxen to use putty/xming and natively do it on the kubuntu box
[04:28] <MikeConigliaro-> does anyone know where i can configure thses shortcut buttons?  like if i wanted to map a different function to one of these keys?
[04:28] <SolidSource> hendaus: don't know... www.gnokii.org has info for the 6110 and 6510 and a few others...
[04:28] <SeveredCross> Hmm..MikeConigliaro-, check out the KDE system preferences, Keyboard section.
[04:28] <KaoticEvil> genii: i may give it a shot
[04:29] <genii> KaoticEvil: There are many good tutorials for it around as well :)
[04:29] <KaoticEvil> genii: is it relatively easy to set it up?
[04:29] <SolidSource> hendaus: don't ask me about such thing as that, never used it and haven't even used a nokia since the late 90s
[04:29] <MikeConigliaro-> SeveredCross: ive  been looking all over, and i dont see anything.  i hate when things work and i dont know why =/
[04:29] <genii> KaoticEvil: Yes, relatively easy
[04:30] <KaoticEvil> genii: cool.. thanks :)
[04:30] <SeveredCross> Sounds like a KDE function.
[04:30] <genii> KaoticEvil:  np
[04:31] <hendaus> SolidSource,  ok i have 6230 , can u please check if it supports or not?
[04:31] <hendaus> SolidSource,  just coz i have some imagen and i need them on my pc
[04:32] <SolidSource> hendaus: yes 6230 should weork
[04:32] <kkerwin> Hi. Anyone had any luck with an Orinoco 8480-WD card? It's a PCMCIA card.
[04:32] <SolidSource> hendaus: but haven't used nokia since the late 90s
[04:32] <SolidSource> hendaus: oops
[04:32] <SolidSource> hendaus: http://wiki.gnokii.org/index.php/Nokia6230ConfigGnuLinux
[04:33] <hendaus> SolidSource,  it is necessary for me and for my work, can u help me if it supports so tell me how to configure mine
[04:33] <SeveredCross> hendaus: RTFM....
[04:33] <SeveredCross> He just gave you a link.
[04:34] <SolidSource> hendaus: the link I just provided tells all that
[04:34] <ffffu> hi, i need to know what's the full command to convert an avi to mpeg
[04:34] <hendaus> SolidSource,  ok let me check
[04:34] <SolidSource> .............
[04:34] <SeveredCross> ffffu, just read the manuals for mencoder/ffmpeg/VLC
[04:35] <hendaus> SolidSource,  i dont have bluetooth
[04:35] <hendaus> SolidSource,  i have a cable dku-2 usb
[04:36] <conr4> hey someone help me please installing my printer
[04:36] <SolidSource> hendaus: then change it to dku2
[04:36] <SolidSource> conr4: what printer?
[04:36] <conr4> canon ip 1500
[04:36] <conr4> canon pixma 1500
[04:37] <conr4> here are the instructions but i dont understandhttp://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/
[04:37] <hendaus> SolidSource,  i open option on gnokii and doesnot let me to change anything from there
[04:37] <hendaus> SolidSource,  it seems lock
[04:37] <SolidSource> conr4: you added the repo?
[04:38] <ffffu> i could read all the manuals
[04:39] <ffffu> but is there anyone knows the command?
[04:39] <conr4> nop
[04:39] <conr4> i dont now how to do that
[04:40] <SolidSource> conr4: in konsole type "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:40] <conr4> okz
[04:40] <SolidSource> conr4: on a new line type "deb http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/ubuntu ./"
[04:41] <hendaus_> back
[04:41] <conr4> and save that?
[04:41] <SolidSource> conr4: yes
[04:41] <SolidSource> conr4: now type "sudo apt-get update"
[04:41] <SolidSource> conr4: after you close kate
[04:41] <hendaus_> SolidSource,  i open options from gnokii and it seems lock , like i cant change anything
[04:42] <genii> ffffu:  sudo mencoder infile.avi -o outfile.mpg -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2
[04:42] <conr4> ok
[04:43] <SolidSource> conr4:  once its done updating...then type "sudo apt-get install libcnbj-2.5 bjfilter-2.5 pstocanonbj"
[04:43] <conr4> okz
[04:44] <conr4> finish
[04:44] <conr4> and now?
[04:44] <SolidSource> conr4: it should have added the printer automaticall
[04:44] <SolidSource> y
[04:45] <conr4> ok thanks
[04:45] <SolidSource> hendaus_: ok...well I don't know, I have never used that program
[04:46] <hendaus_> cool
[04:47] <SolidSource> oh look at that...my canon is supported by default now...
[04:47] <hendaus_> SolidSource,  so what can i do
[04:49] <conr4> hey solid de printer doesnt work
[04:49] <conr4> :(
[04:49] <conr4> dont work :(
[04:49] <conr4> y dont now how to configure that
[04:49] <conr4> :S
[04:49] <conr4> to add the printer
[04:50] <SolidSource> conr4: check what connection type its recording...its default is paralell
[04:50] <conr4> my printer is USB
[04:50] <conr4> where ??
[04:51] <hendaus_> SolidSource,  so what can i do friend
[04:51] <conr4> system preference?
[04:51] <SolidSource> conr4: then go into system settings or kcontrol >> printers (enter admin mode) >> and change the connection
[04:52] <meme4> I think I am back.
[04:52] <SolidSource> conr4: just select the printer, go to the properties tab (below the printer list), select interface , then change
[04:52] <conr4> but the printer dont appear
[04:52] <conr4> :S
[04:53] <SolidSource> conr4: then add the printer
[04:54] <conr4> how :S
[04:54] <conr4> in add
[04:54] <conr4> then :S
[04:54] <meme4> Help... found Vegastrike... but now I am really stuck. Accidently executed this game about a dozen times. I am in the console and I've tried killall and top to selectively stop this program but both methods don't seem effective in getting rid of this game. I am trying to stop this darn thing without resorting to rebooting. Any tips?
[04:54] <conr4> pseudo
[04:54] <hendaus__> SolidSource,  so what can i do friend
[04:54] <intelikey> any way from within a running system to determine the h-sync & v-refresh rates for a plug&get mad monitor ?
[04:55] <SolidSource> conr4: click add >> printer >> and then go through the walk through
[04:58] <conr4> ok
[04:58] <meme4> Is there any other magic I can try in order to shutdown a application? "Killall vegastrike" and using top seem ineffective in stopping this app.
[04:58] <intelikey> sudo Killall -9 vegastrike
[04:58] <meme4> intelikey: thx.... never tried "-9"
[04:59] <intelikey> genii heh.
[04:59] <conr4> the model dont appear
[04:59] <conr4> :S
[04:59] <genii> :)
[04:59] <SolidSource> must stop typing and reading at the same time
[05:00] <intelikey> any way from within a running system to determine the h-sync & v-refresh rates for a "plug & get mad" monitor ?
[05:00] <SolidSource> conr4: may have to add it in the web interface.... "http://localhost:631"
[05:01] <conr4> ok
[05:01] <meme4> killed! Thank you.... but I seem to have a new problem now... seems that my mouse cursor is "frozen" everything else is running though. Is there a way to re-init the mouse?
[05:03] <intelikey> meme4 check in kcontrol > priferials > mouse
[05:03] <[pyro] > ah man the day drags
[05:04] <SolidSource> stupid frostwire not connecting....
[05:04] <[pyro] > get this: new replacement mobo from dell for a workstation $170 - whole workstation (same model) from ebay $170
[05:05] <K`zan> [pyro] : Light a fire under it ;-)
[05:05] <[pyro] > hehe yea
[05:06] <intelikey> ok going to test vga settings... if i time out you'll know i did something wrong....................
[05:06] <[pyro] > clock ffs!
[05:06] <K`zan> LOL
[05:06] <[pyro] > oh man someone fetch me another coffee
[05:08] <intelikey> [pyro]  call genii  :)
[05:08] <genii> What? my ears are burning
[05:08] <genii> (was in offtopic)
[05:08] <[pyro] > lol
[05:08] <SolidSource> ok what port does frostwire use...cause its not using the one I told it to
[05:08] <intelikey> :)
[05:08] <[pyro] > my keyboard is not behaving
[05:09] <[pyro] > dropping the letter "l" left right and center
[05:10] <intelikey> stout enough to float a horse shoe in...
[05:10] <[pyro] > haha yeah
[05:10] <[pyro] > ill eat it with a spoon thanks
[05:12] (genii/#kubuntu) OK, now I can see what i'm typing :)
[05:13] (intelikey/#kubuntu) avg  ?   anti virus software ?
[05:13] <genii> intelikey: Actually it's the antispyware one running it's scheduled scan. Used to be Ewido
[05:14] <intelikey> fess up. you're on windows again aren't you genii
[05:14] <genii> intelikey Yup, a w2k work box. I have in the other room a cluster of ubuntu boxen tho so it makes up :)
[05:15] <intelikey> there is  a name for you...
[05:15] <intelikey> but i wont repete it.
[05:15] <intelikey> :)
[05:16] <genii> Well if it's any consolation this box also multiboots to freebsd 4.8 LOL Anyhow, it was like this when I started working here
[05:16] <Minataku> genii :D:D:D:D:D
[05:16] <intelikey> well at least fbsd is there, so we'll let you by this time.
[05:17] <Minataku> I'm a proud OpenVMS sorta-user now
[05:17] <Minataku> lol
[05:17] <Minataku> I installed OpenVMS/VAX V5.5-2 on a SIMH MicroVAX VM
[05:17] <Minataku> I have no clue how to use it and I doubt I ever will XD
[05:18] <SolidSource> knows whats odd...go from listening to German music to listening to english music...it gives a slightly odd feeling like theres something missing
[05:18] <genii> Minataku: I'm at work btw with that certain cardboard box in front of me
[05:18] <Minataku> genii: :D:D:D:D:D
[05:18] <Minataku> Sweet :D
[05:18] <intelikey> testing vga again.
[05:21] <genii> Minataku: <opens box> SS2, loaded SS10 mb out of case, video card from SS5 (x2),chips from SS5 (x2) mouse, keyboard, SCSI tape reader, SunOS 4 on tapes, some SCSI harnesses
[05:21] <Minataku> Ooooooh <3 <3 <3 No IPX though D:
[05:22] <genii> nope
[05:22] <Minataku> Damn that bastard
[05:22] <Seek026> I upgraded my nvidia driver and now when I start beryl the Window title bars are gone! does anyone know how to fix this?
[05:23] <Minataku> genii: Find anything else laying around that you could toss in there since then?
[05:23] <genii> Minataku Well anyhow, tomorrow I'll have some shipping cost
[05:23] <intelikey> it's no good the box is headless...    rebooting
[05:23] <genii> If any ops, sorry for long offtopic :)
[05:23] <Minataku> genii: Heehee... too bad I have, like, $10 in my account... though I could sell back my programming book
[05:23] <Minataku> It's not like I'm using it anyway
[05:23] <genii> Minataku No rush, I'll take the box home
[05:23] <Minataku> Coo
[05:24] <Minataku> Was there anything else you could toss in there? I remember you mentioning something about SGI
[05:24] <genii> Minataku: There used to be some old other SCSI stuff around but it looks like a tornado hit here still
[05:24] <Minataku> Heh
[05:25] <[pyro] > i use kopete, but never tried the IRC part of it
[05:25] <[pyro] > i dont know, it just doesnt feel right... having IRC connected in an IM
[05:26] <Minataku> It isn't right
[05:26] <genii> LOL
[05:26] <Minataku> lol
[05:26] <conr4> how to configure canon pixma 1500
[05:26] <conr4> :S
[05:26] <genii> I should talk, I'm on a windoze firefox chatzilla extension
[05:26] <Minataku> :O
[05:26] <Minataku> 'O'
[05:26] <[pyro] > genii: why not bitchx ?
[05:27] <intelikey> well seeing that my nick wasn't taken i assume that my part message came through.
[05:27] <[pyro] > just leave it running on a shell somewhere and ssh / screen to it when you want to connect :)
[05:27] <genii> intelikey last msg: it's no good the box is headless... rebooting
[05:28] <Minataku> Then quit with reason "brb"
[05:28] <intelikey> yes.  black screen of  [ sync out of range ]      ....
[05:28] <SolidSource> whats a better IRC client, cause konversation doesn't like to log me in when I connect and it drives me nuts
[05:28] <Minataku> I use XChat
[05:28] <genii> [pyro] : Convenience I suppose. I have gaim here too but it's a work box so must watch what I install. Chatzilla is mostly painless for others
[05:28] <intelikey> so i can't seem to setup svgatextmode for this hardware....
[05:29] <Minataku> intelikey: No vesafb? '_'
[05:29] <SolidSource> lol thats funny Xchat free for everyone BUT windows users
[05:29] <intelikey> Minataku no
[05:29] <[pyro] > genii: yeah cool, i started on ircII then bitchx, brief exposure to mIRC, but a bitchx session running somwhere is always sweet :)
[05:29] <[pyro] > xchat isnt bad
[05:30] <intelikey> tried the full array   from 771 to 798  nothing works.
[05:30] <Minataku> intelikey: Fall back... vga
[05:30] <intelikey> Minataku maybe the default kernel somehow doesn't support it unless you setup usplash ?
[05:31] <intelikey> Minataku ?
[05:31] <Minataku> intelikey: No idea, it should support it all and allow easy selection
[05:31] <Minataku> intelikey: If VESA fails, you fall back to VGA
[05:31] <Minataku> If that fails, get a new video card
[05:32] <intelikey> "<Minataku> intelikey: If VESA fails, you fall back to VGA"  <<< where ?    what are you on about ?
[05:32] <Minataku> ...
[05:32] <Minataku> You're having video trouble, yes?
[05:33] <genii> Minataku: I think he wants consoles in svga and not vga
[05:33] <intelikey> console svgatextmode   yes
[05:33] <Minataku> Well if he can't get them in SVGA through the card-specific driver or vesafb, all that's left is vga
[05:33] <genii> intelikey Some monitors are weird in that they do 1024x768  but not 600x800 for instance
[05:33] <intelikey> "card-specific driver" ?
[05:34] <Minataku> intelikey: Are you drunk or something or just dumber than I thought you were?
[05:34] <intelikey> genii yeah i've noticed.
[05:34] <Minataku> Sorry, that was a bit out of line, I apologize
[05:34] <Minataku> Look, there's three ways to get a framebuffer
[05:34] <intelikey> Minataku i guess dumber than you thought.
[05:34] <intelikey> i'm not really after frame buffering
[05:35] <Minataku> Either you use the kernel driver that's meant for the card you have
[05:35] <Minataku> Framebuffers are how you get a nice, big console
[05:35] <intelikey> that would suffice if i can't get svgatextmode to work..
[05:35] <Minataku> Indeed, definitely try a framebuffer instead, I've never even heard of svgatextmode
[05:36] <Minataku> Besides, the framebuffer is far more useful than plain text mode
[05:36] <intelikey> so it's not i that am ignorant here....
[05:36] <Minataku> intelikey: I think it was a communication failure
[05:36] <Minataku> lol
[05:36] <intelikey> !info svgatextmode
[05:37] <ubotu> svgatextmode: Enable higher resolution text modes. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.9-11 (edgy), package size 338 kB, installed size 880 kB
[05:37] <Minataku> !framebuffer
[05:37] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[05:37] <genii> intelikey Do you have svgalib-bin package?
[05:37] <intelikey> and as i said if i can't get the good "svgatextmode" working   i will have to settel for the lesser "frame buffering"
[05:37] <kgx> is it possible to ignore an entire directory from svn operations (instead of just files)?
[05:37] <intelikey> genii yes.
[05:38] <SolidSource> who was asking about ARES?
[05:38] <intelikey> genii not ever used it though...
[05:39] <conr4> hey somebody know how yto install a ip 1500 printer?
[05:39] <SolidSource> conr4: driver didn't work or couldn't get the printer added?
[05:40] <conr4> nop
[05:40] <intelikey> conr4 if it's not natively supported you dl the ppd file and set it up int the normal way but point the wizard at the ppd
[05:40] <genii> hsystem-x was wanting to know about ares. eg: hsystem-x>	anyone knows a program for LInux, (don't tell me wine), that allow me to access ares chat servers? . I don't want to emulate ares on linux :S.
[05:40] <conr4> ppd?
[05:40] <intelikey> yep
[05:40] <genii> ^^ SolidSource
[05:41] <SolidSource> ok
[05:41] <SolidSource> well I found one
[05:41] <conr4> what's mean ppd?
[05:41] <conr4> i am bad in english y try :S
[05:41] <conr4> jeje
[05:42] <genii> conr4 ppd= filter/formatting rules, in a file. eg:  laserjet.ppd
[05:42] <genii> etc
[05:42] <conr4> okz
[05:43] <intelikey> genii thanks for the heads up on that package... it can display some info that i was looking for.
[05:43] <genii> intelikey np
[05:46] <intelikey> well i have  100*30 now...
[05:47] <SolidSource> lol
[05:47] <conr4> solid
[05:47] <intelikey> fonts are still pixelated
[05:47] <conr4> i install the driver
[05:47] <conr4> bust a dont know how to use
[05:47] <conr4> but*
[05:47] <intelikey> got 108*37  noce clean fonts  but kinda small
[05:48] <conr4> i go to system preferences
[05:48] <intelikey> nice
[05:48] <conr4> printer
[05:48] <SolidSource> conr4: did you add the printer and select ithe driver from the list?
[05:48] <Kefkachu> What the heck is the pingout set to on this network?
[05:48] <Kefkachu> lol
[05:48] <SolidSource> 4
[05:48] <NightBird> woo I figured out how to make my video card's speed slow down when unplugged!
[05:49] <NightBird> (I also get a 3x speed improvement when my laptop is plugged in)
[05:49] <conr4> The driver not in the list
[05:50] <dasickis> hey does anyone know how to get ipw3945 to work in feisty?
[05:51] <SolidSource> conr4: click "other" and browse to "/usr/share/cups/model/" the ppd file might be there
[05:51] <dasickis> or what I've screwed up because knetworkmanager isn't searching for wireless networks anymore
[05:51] <conr4> okz
[05:51] <conr4> i am a newbie :S
[05:52] <SolidSource> dasickis: #ubuntu+1
[05:52] <dasickis> thanks
[05:52] <intelikey> hmmm also have a nice clean font at 80*24    i've never seen chars that large in a console that werent pexelated all to death.
[05:52] <SolidSource> what are you trying to do?
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[05:54] <Hasrat_USA> asap
[05:54] <SolidSource> wtf
[05:55] <conr4> hey buddy with what name is the ppd
[05:55] <Kefkachu> Okay, that was 11min between loss of connection and ejection of stale client
[05:55] <Kefkachu> lol
[05:55] <Mobkey> we're passed the days when google needed word of mouth advertising
[05:55] <SolidSource> conr4: should be your printers name
[05:55] <conr4> ok
[05:56] <intelikey> Mobkey what's google ?
[05:56] <Mobkey> a giant corporation thats slowly taking over the word, dont worry about it
[05:56] <Minataku> At least they're on our side
[05:56] <Mobkey> *world
[05:57] <Minataku> If someone's gonna rule the Earth I at least hope they have the interests of the public in mind
[05:57] <intelikey> oh a web site   i see.
[05:57] <Minataku> Rather than the usual "MONEY MONEY MONEY" of everyone else
[05:57] <Mobkey> anybody: have any reason why my wireless card just refuses to connect anymore? it worked for the first week
[05:59] <Mobkey> thats fine. i'll just move my computer to the nearest ethernet cord and eventually fix it, or else just throw the computer out in the snow
[05:59] <intelikey> i also have mode 90*26 but the fonts are awfull
[05:59] <mbelleza> do u know the channel for yui
[06:00] <conr4> i dont find de ppd
[06:00] <conr4> :(
[06:00] <Mobkey> nah screw that. once you get up top i dont see how you're going resist ordering kate beckinsale to be your slave
[06:01] <mucs> hi there, i tried the feisty upgrade, and my computer won't boot - it just stops after checking filesystems.  it also won't boot into recovery mode - it stops right when it's about to setup a console.  what should i do?
[06:01] <genii> Mobkey: :)
[06:01] <Jucato> mucs: try asking in #ubuntu+1
[06:02] <Mobkey> thats what i thought.
[06:03] <SolidSource> conr4: hmm, just read a forum saying it should be there....
[06:03] <Hasrat_USA> anyone uses Tomboy Note Taker in here?
[06:03] <conr4> okz
[06:03] <conr4> what forum?
[06:03] <SolidSource> conr4: try in konsole "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart"
[06:03] <genii> "absolute power corrupts absolutely" tho I'd settle for just some partial corruption
[06:03] <conr4> sorry a i am a dummy
[06:03] <SolidSource> conr4: then try adding the printer
[06:04] <Jucato> genii: luckily I only semi-power :D
[06:04] <intelikey> wow this is weird.    after changing the display size the mouse can only operate in the half of the screen it was in at the time... until i switch consoles and move it into the other half then back to that console, and it works all over the screen.....
[06:04] <genii> conr4 What is the exact make and model of your printer?
[06:04] <conr4> canon pixma 1500
[06:04] <nonuda_> huh..i guess i will never can run beryl on my ati rage..damn
[06:04] <intelikey> i tried just switching consoles without moving the mouse and it didn't fix it.
[06:04] <genii> conr4 OK, I'll try to see if some ppd file exists
[06:05] <SolidSource> conr4: this is the forum I was reading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=93265
[06:05] <SolidSource> genii: well he used this repo that was supposed to install the drivers/ppd file, but for some reason didn't: http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/#canon
[06:06] <ToHellWithGA> somebody in +1 said adept offered to upgrade to feisty.  is that supposed to be happening yet?
[06:06] <conr4> ok thanks
[06:06] <genii> SolidSource: Ah, thanks :)
[06:06] <ToHellWithGA> adept is yalls synaptic, right?
[06:06] <ToHellWithGA> its the kde of apt gui stuffs
[06:07] <SolidSource> ToHellWithGA: its not true, but you just change edgy to feisty and update that way...
[06:07] <SolidSource> in the sources.list
[06:07] <ToHellWithGA> SolidSource: the guy said adept offered to upgrade to feisty
[06:07] <genii> conr4 Are you using Edgy or Dapper or Feisty?
[06:07] <ToHellWithGA> i know how to do it, but i find it odd that it would offer before the release date
[06:07] <conr4> dapper
[06:08] <ToHellWithGA> SolidSource: i'll see if he has toyed with his list
[06:08] <ToHellWithGA> cheers
[06:08] <intelikey> oh conr4 are you all up to date in dapper ?
[06:08] <conr4> yes
[06:09] <intelikey> conr4 sorry i didn't notice your issue eariler.    the dapper update breaks the printer setup.  you have to force the reinstall of the origenal version or it wont work.
[06:09] <conr4> :'(
[06:09] <SolidSource> stupid dapper
[06:10] <conr4> :'(
[06:10] <conr4> shit!!!!!!
[06:10] <intelikey> it's gotenprint package but i don't know the exact version.
[06:10] <conr4> :'(
[06:10] <genii> conr4: OK, add to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/ubuntu ./      then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libcnbj-2.5 bjfilter-2.5 pstocanonbj
[06:10] <SolidSource> genii: already walked him through that
[06:10] <intelikey> genii please read my posts to conr4 ^
[06:10] <Hasrat_USA> please help dell determine how to best prioritize their resources for their effort in trying to come up with laptops and desktops with linux preinstalled. Take the survey and help die-hard linux users use dell machines with linux factory-installed: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux?s=corp
[06:10] <SolidSource> genii: intelikey might be right though
[06:10] <genii> Hmm yes
[06:11] <intelikey> SolidSource i'm running dapper and fought with that for a month.
[06:11] <SolidSource> SCREW DELL....
[06:11] <genii> intelikey: Sorry, pasted before checking scroll :)
[06:11] <intelikey> or more...
[06:11] <conr4> i hate linux!!!!
[06:11] <conr4> :'(
[06:11] <genii> SolidSource: I agree about Dell
[06:12] <intelikey> genii reposting....  <intelikey> oh conr4 are you all up to date in dapper ?  <conr4> yes  <intelikey> conr4 sorry i didn't notice your issue eariler.    the dapper update breaks the printer setup.  you have to force the reinstall of the origenal version or it wont work.  <intelikey> it's gotenprint package but i don't know the exact version.
[06:12] <SolidSource> intelikey: theres a reason I hated dapper and upgraded to edgy immediately....too many things would break in dapper
[06:12] <yknott> dell should have become a leader before linux on the desktop became "cool"
[06:12] <genii> conr4 Well, linux does not hate you :) It is just a misunderstood gifted child that loves you
[06:12] <conr4> jejejeje
[06:12] <conr4> :'(
[06:13] <SolidSource> LOL...anyone remember the IBM commercial about linux a few years ago
[06:13] <intelikey> SolidSource that wasn't in the install.  someone made an update/security-update package using the un-patched source and RE-introduced that bug back into the system.
[06:14] <genii> conr4 Well, if you are going all the way, you may want to install Edgy (either clean or by dist-upgrade) then your printer will likely work
[06:14] <SolidSource> intelikey: well screw it, I like my edgy and feisty machines
[06:14] <conr4> ok thanks
[06:15] <conr4> but i am thinking have a partition with windows
[06:15] <conr4> :'(
[06:16] <intelikey> conr4 again sorry i let you work on that so long without noticing you were working in vain.
[06:16] <enzo_> How do I convert the mpg and mpeg file to wmv or avi?
[06:16] <SolidSource> LOL...heres the new slogan for Windows Vista:: "Windows Vista: its like a beautiful girl with every imaginable STD"
[06:16] <intelikey> conr4 and feel free to complain gripe and rant about that problem... i have but no one seems to care.
[06:17] <enzo_> LOL @ SolidSource
[06:17] <conr4> ok no problem
[06:17] <conr4> thanks for helping me
[06:17] <unix_infidel> anyone here edgy to fiesty distupgrade?
[06:17] <intelikey> np
[06:18] <conr4> i dont speak english good because i am from guatemala
[06:18] <unix_infidel> how smooth is the transition.
[06:18] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: a few...
[06:18] <conr4> nad its hard to me
[06:18] <conr4> xD
[06:18] <conr4> and*
[06:18] <unix_infidel> conr4: there's also *ubuntu chans for espanol.
[06:18] <unix_infidel> !es
[06:18] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:18] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: well being that its still in testing ...only minor problems, like limited samba and such
[06:19] <unix_infidel> hmm.
[06:19] <conr4> yes jajajaja
[06:19] <enzo_> conr4: Aveces hay gente en kubuntu-es, pero no hay la misma ayuda
[06:19] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: other than that its rather seamless
[06:19] <conr4> but i want to imprive my english xD
[06:19] <conr4> improve*
[06:19] <conr4> si exacto
[06:19] <conr4> exactly
[06:20] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: beta should come out today correct?
[06:20] <genii> unix_infidel: Yes, I did it on my ibm laptop
[06:20] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: not sure... herd 6 is April 19th and final is supposed to be a week or 2 after that
[06:21] <unix_infidel> genii: which model? and also which ubuntu install, server, alternative or full?
[06:21] <intelikey> eeek i can only dl 160m more of packages and i'll have no place to put them.
[06:21] <[pyro] > looking forward to the new kubuntu coming out
[06:22] <genii> unix_infidel: Model A20 (p3 500, 128Mb ram, 4Gb hd) Xfce, standard Edgy otherwise
[06:22] <SolidSource> ok wth....the kaffeine update today and now kaffeine won't start
[06:22] <SolidSource> [pyro] : ?
[06:22] <enzo_> how do I convert MPG and MPEG to AVI or WMV?
[06:22] <intelikey> SolidSource aren't you the one that just said something about not using dapper for that reason.....
[06:22] <Skuller> !video
[06:23] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[06:23] <intelikey> :)
[06:23] <unix_infidel> genii: i thought you said you installed fiesty on the laptop?
[06:23] <[pyro] > SolidSource: ? :)
[06:23] <SolidSource> intelikey: it probably will be solved with a logout
[06:23] <genii> unix_infidel: Yes. It is Feisty dist running XFCE instead of KDE/Gnome (since only 4Gb HD)
[06:24] <intelikey> SolidSource still updates should never break things.
[06:24] <intelikey> but they do...
[06:24] <intelikey> it happens.
[06:24] <enzo_> !convert
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about convert - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:24] <SolidSource> [pyro] : you said "updates kaffeine to test"...you haven't updated yet?
[06:24] <genii> unix_infidel: It originally ran Dapper. Then I did dist-upgrade to Edgy. All was well. then I did next step to Feisty
[06:24] <Skuller> ok regarding this update thing...why have there been 2 updates of wine in this week?
[06:25] <[pyro] > SolidSource: no, im doing an update now :)
[06:25] <Skuller> SolidSource: i also updates right now...and kaffeine is firing up
[06:25] <Skuller> updated*
[06:25] <unix_infidel> genii: hmm. xubuntu?
[06:25] <intelikey> genii hmmm i did dist-upgrade hoary to dapper....
[06:25] <[pyro] > !running_an_ebay_scam
[06:25] <SolidSource> Skuller [pyro] : well it starts to open...and then dies for me...again might just need to logout
[06:25] <Hasrat_USA> lol wine is still there even after the update? i thought the next update of wine would remove wine itself and replace it with vmware :P
[06:26] <Skuller> lol
[06:26] <yknott> why vmware when we have kvm?
[06:26] <[pyro] > lol cool bot
[06:26] <[pyro] > intelikey: rule 101, try turning it off and on again ;)
[06:26] <genii> unix_infidel: Original install was gnome. Then i did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. Removed gdm for xdm.
[06:26] <Skuller> SolidSource: yes..why dont you give it a shot?
[06:26] <intelikey> [pyro]  ?
[06:27] <SolidSource> Skuller: cause I don't want to logout
[06:27] <intelikey> [pyro]  what you about ?
[06:27] <[pyro] > sorry, that was for SolidSource.
[06:27] <Skuller> SolidSource: hmm...well then you should try something else...no idea then
[06:27] <SolidSource> [pyro] : :P
[06:27] <[pyro] > lol
[06:27] <intelikey> :)
[06:28] <[pyro] > c|_| ahhh
[06:28] <SolidSource> how did the coffee get lost? how did it have the chance?
[06:28] <intelikey> is that a butt floating in that coffee ?
[06:28] <genii> intelikey shhh I needed an ashtray
[06:29] <Skuller> intelikey: nope...thats a yellow butter flake :)
[06:29] <[pyro] > SolidSource: its a koffee, somewhat magical
[06:29] <intelikey> lol
[06:29] <Skuller> lol
[06:29] <SolidSource> HAHA...kaffeine l LIVES AGAIN!
[06:29] <Skuller> lol
[06:29] <[pyro] > lol
[06:29] <genii> unix_infidel I did have some acpi boot issues FYI
[06:30] <SolidSource> now to figure out how to get Frostwire to use kaffeine instead of stupid mplayer
[06:30] <beta> hi
[06:30] <intelikey> genii what version ?   or was it hardware specific and accross the board ?
[06:30] <conr4> hey what printer works with linux
[06:30] <conr4> ???
[06:30] <Skuller> conr4: umm...many
[06:30] <SolidSource> conr4: Brother printers
[06:30] <[pyro] > i think ill have to review my repositories. adept hangs at 99% on fetching updates.
[06:30] <beta> i got some serious problems here might someone be able to help me with the updating system?
[06:31] <intelikey> conr4 lots of them do.   hp mfd's  are well supported.
[06:31] <Skuller> damn adept
[06:31] <SolidSource> [pyro] : run update in konsole and find out what exactly
[06:31] <intelikey> SolidSource brother...  eeeek.
[06:31] <conr4> okz
[06:31] <conr4> jajajaja
[06:31] <genii> intelikey I had to remove my pcmcia nic every boot and reinsert it for it to get an IP. Seemed specific to IBM bios being pre-1999 or something. I forced it and worked after
[06:31] <SolidSource> intelikey: I love brother printer...works perfecto
[06:31] <conr4> but work with all linux?
[06:32] <genii> arg
[06:32] <intelikey> SolidSource odd you would say that.  brother is the only thing that i have actually had to dl drivers for.
[06:32] <genii> ^^infidel
[06:32] <[pyro] > SolidSource: yeah already on it :)
[06:32] <conr4> okz :D
[06:32] <SolidSource> intelikey: don't have to download drivers...the generic ones work just as good
[06:32] <[pyro] > SolidSource: beryl was whinging for awhile, but i didnt have the key installed.
[06:33] <intelikey> SolidSource not a generic one for this device.
[06:33] <SolidSource> [pyro] : beryl changes too much, not worth the hassle
[06:33] <beta> guys? ist really kinda important
[06:33] <beta> its
[06:33] <SolidSource> intelikey: huh?
[06:33] <beta> i think the update messed up my whole system
[06:33] <conr4> ok i have to go friends
[06:33] <conr4> nice to met you
[06:33] <[pyro] > SolidSource: oh the updating has worked great since i installed the key. It just updates then i restart X and away it goes. couldnt ask for more :)
[06:33] <conr4> you are so nice
[06:33] <SolidSource> beta: what?
[06:33] <conr4> jejeje
[06:33] <conr4> bye
[06:34] <genii> unix_infidel: Did you get the msg I mistakenly sent for intelikey regarding the bios etc?
[06:34] <SolidSource> [pyro] : well regular commands shouldn't get changed...but beryl does
[06:34] <intelikey> SolidSource all in one brother   there was no generic driver.  and the dl worked for the printer but i never did get the scanner working from the pc
[06:34] <unix_infidel> nope.
[06:34] <[pyro] > SolidSource: how so?
[06:34] <genii> unix_infidel I had to remove my pcmcia nic every boot and reinsert it for it to get an IP. Seemed specific to IBM bios being pre-1999 or something. I forced it and worked after
[06:35] <SolidSource> intelikey: oh yeah, I have an all-in-one, networked, but the scanning has never worked...though  it works if its USB
[06:35] <beta> SolidSource: well i did an update via update manager...i was wondering in the first place since it offered me new packages (i thought it just offers you security fixes and upgrades to installed packages?)
[06:35] <intelikey> SolidSource this is usb
[06:35] <intelikey> .....
[06:35] <SolidSource> intelikey: HAHA
[06:36] <beta> SolidSource: so completely fresh installs....anyway, i made the updates but update manager still kept telling their were updates
[06:36] <nixternal> ?? Konqueror - the save password dialog that pops up after entering a password at a website, how do I disable it from asking me all of the time?
[06:36] <s0kud0> when will the CD images for the feisty beta be released?
[06:37] <SolidSource> beta: and when you do "fetch updates" it has no updates available?
[06:37] <beta> in fact just one...an upgrade to checkinstall...but with the requested action not to install it
[06:37] <beta> SolidSource: so of course it kept on complaining their were updates
[06:37] <intelikey> nixternal in it's menu configure konqueror > privacy and security
[06:37] <beta> SolidSource: wait...now to the real problem of it
[06:37] <lontra> what's a good image manipulation program for kde?  krita?  or should i just install gimp
[06:37] <SolidSource> beta: well sometime the adept_notifier gets messed up and reports theres updates even though there aren't any
[06:38] <nixternal> intelikey: if it is, I am shooting myself
[06:38] <genii> s0kud0: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-5/
[06:38] <s0kud0> I prefer gimp but I am sure there are lots of opinions
[06:38] <intelikey> nixternal ues a B'B gun and aim at your foot.
[06:38] <unix_infidel> gimpshop is good for afree software.
[06:38] <intelikey> use
[06:38] <beta> SolidSource: thankful your helping out btw...the real problem..shortly after i did the updates i realized all of my used kde applications have changed most of theri settings
[06:38] <genii> s0kud0: I don't think there is yet a release-candidate
[06:38] <s0kud0> I am wanting to try the beta release.. I want to see if it fixes something I had an issue with with the herd5 release
[06:39] <beta> or got erased....also firefox keeps freezing
[06:39] <genii> s0kud0: At any rate, in #ubuntu+1 they may know more
[06:39] <beta> SolidSource: in fact even the icons and layout for some program changes altogether.....ktorrrent cant connect to anything anymore
[06:39] <s0kud0> cool thx
[06:40] <genii> s0kud0: np
[06:40] <nixternal> intelikey: I knew it wasn't that easy
[06:40] <SolidSource> beta: have you restarted for the new kernel to take affect?
[06:40] <nixternal> I don't even see the privacy stuff under configure
[06:40] <intelikey> yeah it's there.  tell it not to remember passwds
[06:40] <beta> SolidSource: now i did uncomment the backport repo and did a restart and there ylou go...there were no more complaints about that checkinstall upgrade that didnt work anyway
[06:40] <intelikey> nixternal what version ?
[06:41] <nixternal> 3.5.6
[06:41] <beta> SolidSource: nope since there was no message to do so...the stuff that got installed were mostly new packages..
[06:41] <intelikey> well    3.5.2   has it.
[06:41] <SolidSource> nixternal: what exactly are you looking for?
[06:42] <nixternal> intelikey: I think you are right, I knew I had it disabled before
[06:42] <SolidSource> beta: hmm, try "sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove"
[06:42] <beta> SolidSource: now this made me think of course....do i actually have to turn of the backport repo before i fecth updates.....since otherwise it might install components of newer version software over my old ones?
[06:42] <intelikey> SolidSource to stop konq from asking about remembering passwds..
[06:42] <nixternal> SolidSource: trying to shut off Konqi from askign me if I want to save a password everytime I visit a site and enter one
[06:43] <SolidSource> nixternal: thats in konqui config
[06:43] <beta> SolidSource: since it seems like thats what it did
[06:43] <intelikey> that's what i said.
[06:43] <beta> SolidSource: like iam saying amarok for example has a complete new layout...not only the settzings were set back
[06:43] <nixternal> SolidSource: I have been through every nook and cranny in Konqi config and cannot find it
[06:43] <beta> SolidSource: and that false update notification that stops when i uncomment backport
[06:44] <nixternal> I have looked 4 times, I know it is possible, just can't remember
[06:44] <intelikey> nixternal if you can't get there that way try something else....   kcontrol
[06:44] <lontra> !w32codecs
[06:44] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[06:45] <genii> beta You can specify versions in apt-get. eg:  sudo apt-get install yadda=>yadda.#.etc.here    or <yadda.#.etc
[06:45] <intelikey> "if you can't get there from here, go some place else to start..."
[06:45] <lontra> !medibuntu
[06:45] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[06:45] <beta> genii: ok, but this happened via the system updater
[06:46] <beta> i really have to understand what happened...here just fixing it wont help
[06:46] <beta> otherwise ill end up messing my system up again
[06:46] <beta> hm
[06:46] <genii> beta So then if you have some prog that you want a specific ver of, search for the deb files you have in /var/cache/apt/archives   then use the apt-get syntax like i said to force the version to whichever you prefer
[06:47] <beta> ok, i should have put it more simple probably
[06:47] <beta> lets try it one by one
[06:47] <intelikey> assuming you never run  apt-get clean
[06:47] <SolidSource> beta: one...don't use adept to update....it won't tell about any problems
[06:48] <intelikey> genii big ash tray ?
[06:48] <beta> the update manager is actually supposed to only install security fixes or upgrades to installed software...not to install new one
[06:48] <beta> right or wrong?
[06:48] <genii> intelikey: Hae :) Smart*ss
[06:48] <SolidSource> beta: two,,,adept-notifier saying there is an update even though there isn't, is nothing new and doesn't harm anything
[06:49] <SolidSource> beta: it will install new software if there is a need for it
[06:49] <genii> beta update is different than upgrade
[06:49] <beta> SolidSource: ok
[06:49] <genii> beta update = apply all known fixes/etc to vers you currently run. Upgrade = go to the next ver if it's available
[06:49] <beta> SolidSource: uhm, well there actually is a problem with it...since the update manager stops working then
[06:50] <beta> it will just always stay in the taskbar saying there are updates
[06:50] <beta> but anyway
[06:50] <intelikey> beta update manager == something i would never use.
[06:50] <SolidSource> beta: well I have it do that, but no other problems with it
[06:50] <SolidSource> beta: but yeah, only do upgrades through konsole
[06:51] <beta> i dindt do an upgrade...update
[06:51] <genii> SolidSource: Yes, I don't use adept for that, just apt-get
[06:51] <beta> just so there is no confusion
[06:51] <beta> hm, but how do i know then if new ipdates are available?
[06:52] <beta> updates
[06:52] <SolidSource> beta: ok, you used the adept_notifier/updater for the upgrades?
[06:52] <genii> run a cronjob that does apt-get update maybe once a day or week etc etc
[06:52] <beta> SolidSource: no for updates only
[06:52] <genii> intelikey: LOL
[06:53] <SolidSource> beta: that doesn't make much since
[06:53] <beta> intelikey: no in fact i use the terminal to install packages...and one of the first things i di was to attach one to konq ;)
[06:53] <intelikey> genii we had a discussion about that yestergo.   trying to remember the nick tho.
[06:53] <beta> which doenst mean i can do anything with it yet of course...i just fnd it way more easier to install  packages with
[06:54] <intelikey> laptop was his nick.
[06:54] <SolidSource> beta: what do you mean updates only?
[06:54] <beta> SolidSource: why not?
[06:55] <beta> SolidSource: uhm, like genii just told...upgrades = will upgrade your whole system to a new release....an update = just installes new fixes and updates to your current release, right?
[06:55] <SolidSource> beta: umm thats one sense of it
[06:55] <beta> SolidSource: and the update notifier per default will just do that....update not upgrade the release
[06:55] <beta> right?
[06:56] <beta> i mean im on dapper anyways so it should in my case at least
[06:56] <SolidSource> beta: yes, but thats not whats going on
[06:56] <[pyro] > heres a question for you guys. Im looking at getting a new phone, a PDA phone if possible. I currently have an O2 which runs winblowz mobile. I just want to make sure i can get one that i can sync to my linux dist. Any suggestions?
[06:56] <SolidSource> beta: look at this command "sudo apt-get upgrade" that installs the available updates/upgrades for your current distro version
[06:56] <intelikey> genii i was trying to remember if beta was he or not.  he's not.  then i remembered the guys nick...  so it was a moot point, and quite a useless rant.  but had it been he, that would be a differant storry....
[06:57] <SolidSource> beta: that command is bassically the same thing that adept_notifier uses
[06:57] <beta> SolidSource: right...thats what i thought it is supposed to do
[06:57] <genii> intelikey :)
[06:58] <beta> SolidSource: wait...do you mean by that it actually even upgrades to a new release?
[06:58] <genii> beta You must keep in mind that whatever gui thing you use, it has some command-line backend. So using the backend directly is more useful and informative
[06:58] <beta> since you used the term upgrade as well im confused
[06:59] <SolidSource> beta: now "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" will upgrade to the next version of your distro (eg: dapper >> edgy) as long as everything in your sources.list has been changed too
[06:59] <intelikey> beta the only way you upgrade to a new release is if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list         that how ever is about to change with feisty.
[06:59] <intelikey> beta i normally run   apt-get dist-upgrade     on this dapper box.
[06:59] <beta> SolidSource: ok we got sorted out now i think
[06:59] <SolidSource> beta: no matter what, unless you change your sources.list...you will never upgrade distro versions
[07:00] <beta> +that
[07:00] <beta> ok
[07:00] <genii> edgy to feisty will likely use the dist upgrade manager
[07:00] <beta> SolidSource: what would i have to put into my sources.list to fetch distro upgrades
[07:01] <intelikey> the major differance in  apt-get upgrade   and apt-get dist-upgrade  is that  dist-upgrade will also update the kernel and any other system files.
[07:01] <SolidSource> beta: youi have to change "dapper" to "edgy"
[07:01] <SolidSource> intelikey: true
[07:01] <beta> SolidSource: ok thats not what i did....hey, actually wait a second..
[07:01] <beta> ;)
[07:02] <intelikey> REPETING !  the only way you upgrade to a new release is if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list         that how ever is about to change with feisty.
[07:02] <beta> intelikey: i never put in any of these two commands...just used the notifier
[07:02] <beta> one mom.
[07:02] <SolidSource> intelikey: he running dapper I think
[07:02] <beta> i actually would be glad if i should have messed my sources up....then at least i would know what has been going on
[07:03] <beta> yes dapper
[07:03] <beta> nope my list is allright
[07:04] <beta> yknott: i cant query you..but thx, i knew this though
[07:04] <intelikey> SolidSource yes.   but i have no way to know for sure they won't impliment that in dapper...  it's just a meta package that has a pre/post install script that does something like   sed s/edgy/feisty/g /etc/apt/sources.list      or not much more than that....       from what i hear.
[07:05] <SolidSource> beta: ok besides the the notifier getting stuck (nothing new there) and program settings getting reset (again normal),... whats the problem?
[07:05] <SolidSource> intelikey: well if they do...oh well
[07:06] <beta> SolidSource:  it is normal that all your application settings are getting reset again and again?
[07:06] <SolidSource> intelikey: they may offer a way not to upgrade distro version
[07:06] <beta> i hope your kidding me
[07:06] <SolidSource> beta: they reset everytime you login?
[07:07] <yknott> which application settings?
[07:07] <yknott> do you keep booting in from the liveCD ? :)
[07:07] <intelikey> beta yes which applications   and when are they reset   ?
[07:08] <beta> Solidsources: er....i mean just the preferences for all the applications kde applications btw...which get saved in your /home folder...so you dont lose them
[07:08] <beta> even after a new install...?
[07:08] <yknott> so each time you log in, kde and its applications are back to their default settings?
[07:08] <intelikey> beta unless you have kde set to start with a new empty session....
[07:08] <SolidSource> beta: if its everytime you login, theres a problem...but if its only when you get a new version of a program, things will change for the updated files
[07:09] <SolidSource> yeah, theres that setting to allow for a new empty session, which basically resets everything
[07:09] <intelikey> SolidSource preferances shouldn't change there tho
[07:09] <SolidSource> why offer it..don't know
[07:10] <SolidSource> intelikey: depends on the changes made in the program....normally no though
[07:10] <yknott> is there a specific program, such as the views in konqueror ?
[07:10] <intelikey> SolidSource i mean on the upgrade.  it shouldn't affect preferances
[07:11] <beta> SolidSource: there will be complete new release verions of installed software via sudo apt-get upgrade (or notfifier)?
[07:11] <beta> i mean for example...bad one probably...FF from 1.5 to 2.02?
[07:11] <intelikey> beta no
[07:11] <intelikey> those things only show in backports and not often there.
[07:11] <SolidSource> beta: it will do that if your repos have such upgrades/updates available
[07:12] <SolidSource> beta: dapper does not get FF2.0.2 by default
[07:12] <beta> intelikey: thats what i thought....but solid said "its only when you get a new version of a program" (that the settings are reset
[07:12] <intelikey> dapper doesn't get ff2 by default
[07:12] <beta> i know
[07:12] <beta> it was just meant as an example
[07:12] <SolidSource> beta: not always, but sometimes
[07:13] <beta> ok.....confused....but anyway
[07:13] <SolidSource> beta: ok, you did a fresh right?
[07:13] <beta> do i have to uncomment backport before doing apt-get upgrade?
[07:13] <beta> what do you mean by fresh?
[07:14] <SolidSource> beta: if you change your sources.list, you have to do sudo apt-get update" and then that
[07:14] <SolidSource> beta: fresh as in, reformat drive
[07:15] <beta> yes, of course i always do that before installing something via apt
[07:15] <SolidSource> beta: ok did you set all your settings up before the updates/upgrades?
[07:15] <intelikey> beta yes your example considered.  this is the way that repos work.   the "main restricted uni/multiverse" is where the install comes from and the available pavkages, if something is released too late to get in there but the packagers want it included they will "backport" it,   then any security patches and bug fixes will be added in the "updates and security" repos.   new versions are not likely to be in anything but bac
[07:16] <beta> well, what i think mitght have happened...i had backport enabled and it fetched (newer) backport packages for the kde applications and installed them over my antique dapper ones....hence it got real messed up
[07:17] <noaXess> hi all
[07:17] <beta> totally impossible?
[07:17] <noaXess> what need i install, that i have write permissions to NTFS?..
[07:17] <yknott> well for dist-upgrade you should jump only one iteration at a time; ie from breezy to dapper, from dapper to edgy, from edgy to feisty
[07:17] <beta> it did fetch the list from the backport repo in adept notifier thingy...
[07:18] <SolidSource> noaXess: FUSE or NTFS-3g....though its not recommended and could damage the partition
[07:18] <intelikey> beta not impossable.  but do note that the backports  is as release specific as the main  is.    i.e.   dapper backports != edgy backports
[07:18] <noaXess> SolidSource:thanks
[07:19] <noaXess> SolidSource: is that fuse-utils?
[07:19] <SolidSource> !fuse
[07:19] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[07:19] <SolidSource> !ntfs-3g
[07:19] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[07:19] <unix_infidel> anyone know where i can get gimp textures for windows styles?
[07:19] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g  XXXX never mind...
[07:19] <ubotu> ntfs-3g: Third generation Linux NTFS driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060920-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 30 kB, installed size 112 kB
[07:20] <beta> SolidSource: sorry didnt mean to ignore you...just had to get this question out "SolidSource> beta: ok did you set all your settings up before the updates/upgrades?" you mean the preferences for the kde applicazions? yes
[07:21] <beta> intelikey: darn if my english just was better..
[07:21] <pope1> Hey, I'm a fairly new kubuntu user, and while running Wine, I came across this...error?  repeatedly in the terminal: libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[07:21] <pope1> WHat the hell is that?
[07:21] <SolidSource> beta: then it reset them? that shouldn't have happened, but if it did, reseting them not working?
[07:22] <intelikey> beta it's probably better than mine.   i don't talk english.  i use a sothern dialect of american slang...
[07:22] <beta> intelikey: so what do i have to do to make sure it doent fetch its updates for my programs coming from multi, main, uni, restricted from.....the backport branch?
[07:22] <SolidSource> see intelikey can't even say southern with all its letters
[07:22] <intelikey> beta comment out backports line in the sources.list  ?
[07:23] <yknott> installing firefox 2.0.0.2, for example, over firefox 2, should not change the settings you had with the app - your bookmarks, history, so on
[07:23] <intelikey> SolidSource south-ern   ?
[07:23] <beta> Solidsource: yes it did...and the strange thing that actually makes me think it installed backport stuff over my usual officla packages is that the notifier stops complaing about updates if i uncomment the backport repo again
[07:23] <intelikey> :)
[07:23] <SolidSource> intelikey: lol
[07:24] <beta> restting wont help like im saying whole application dont seem to work anymore...FF freezes
[07:24] <beta> intelikey: ;) yes of course.....sorry my english isnt the best so i often fail getting things across appropriate
[07:24] <SolidSource> beta: well, sounds kind of like conflicting packages
[07:25] <intelikey> beta it sounds like you have a repo enabled that is not fully version compatable.     any non-ubuntu sources ?
[07:25] <Iwonder|too> anyone killed their system doing the upgrader in the topic?
[07:25] <SolidSource> beta: but autoremove should have taken care of it
[07:25] <SolidSource> Iwonder|too: huh?
[07:25] <Iwonder|too> testing edgy>feisty upgrade
[07:25] <dougb> is anyone here using kubuntu feisty?
[07:26] <dougb> i have it running right now
[07:26] <dougb> i installed it through ubuntu, but i'm downloading the kubuntu ISO right now
[07:26] <beta> intelikey: well....if indeed backport will mix your offical packages up with the offical ones...why isnt anywhere said to uncomment it...or just enable it when you want to get a specific package from it...then uncomment again
[07:26] <SolidSource> dougb: yes, but feisty talk is #ubuntu+1
[07:26] <intelikey> oh dapper has a new update for "file"     /me gets
[07:26] <dougb> i know SolidSource, i'm in there
[07:26] <SolidSource> dougb: ok
[07:27] <SolidSource> Iwonder|too: yes but what did you mean?
[07:27] <dougb> i was just wondering if there was a standing behind it, because it isn't talked about much in the ubuntu+1 room
[07:27] <beta> mix your offical ones up with backport ones i meant
[07:27] <beta> sry
[07:27] <SolidSource> dougb: it is...just no one says "KDE" or "gnome" ppl just assume
[07:28] <beta> this is my backport entry: deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[07:28] <dougb> i know
[07:28] <chris_> can anyone tell me if virual hard drives work??
[07:28] <SolidSource> beta: the backports are just as official
[07:28] <Iwonder|too> the installer seemed to have finished,but on reboot,grub was fried,when was fixxed i seemed to have a "can't read filesystem" error like filesystem support was left out of the kernel
[07:28] <SolidSource> dougb: but I have been using feisty for a while
[07:29] <dougb> as have i, but the ubuntu flavor
[07:29] <dougb> it's very nice
[07:29] <intelikey> beta why there are no better warnings on the repos   i do not know.        i often warn people "don't use debian repos on ubuntu" and then several "know it alls" jump in and correct me to the point that the person i'm trying to help is so confused they don't know whether to 'poop or go blind, so they close one eye and fart'
[07:29] <SolidSource> Iwonder|too: did you have anything but the ubuntu-main repos?
[07:30] <beta> intelikey: lol :D
[07:30] <Iwonder|too> i had a few app-specific ones
[07:30] <SolidSource> Iwonder|too: you should have commented those off...
[07:30] <Iwonder|too> didn't think nor read that i should comment them
[07:31] <SolidSource> Iwonder|too: use the sourse-o-matic...it will save you from things
[07:31] <Iwonder|too> cool
[07:31] <SolidSource> Iwonder|too: if its not on that list...don't use it until the distro upgrade is finished
[07:31] <beta> hm, ok
[07:32] <Iwonder|too> not on my list of avaiable apps
[07:32] <intelikey> beta but most people are so worried about having the "latest release" of everything that they ignore all warnings anyway.  then rant like mad when things break and threten to go back to windows where things work....
[07:32] <SolidSource> Iwonder|too: thats why you add that repo later and only uncomment it as needed
[07:32] <intelikey> !worksforme | beta
[07:32] <ubotu> beta: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[07:32] <Iwonder|too> k
[07:32] <Iwonder|too> new to apt
[07:33] <SolidSource> Iwonder|too: and never use adept to upgrade
[07:34] <beta> intelikey: i actually avoid enabling backport...i needed it though for something to work and before i enabled it i treid to find an answer to how it really works if updating comes in play...or lets say you want to apt-get FF and its in multiverse and backport as well
[07:34] <beta> but couldnt find an answer
[07:34] <beta> avoided
[07:35] <Iwonder|too> SolidSource:  what would be the best means??
[07:35] <beta> i will never go back to windows though...it may be a course for linux world
[07:35] <beta> but thats how it is
[07:35] <SolidSource> Iwonder|too: konsole.... "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:35] <Iwonder|too> k thx
[07:36] <Iwonder|too> brb switching clients
[07:36] <pirothezero> lol close one eye and fart, i like that
[07:36] <intelikey> beta we're glad to have ya.    :)
[07:36] <SolidSource> beta: well the backports shouldn't do anymore damage than the main ones...
[07:36] <dougb> wow, KDE is so full of features, it is unreal
[07:36] <intelikey> pirothezero lol
[07:36] <SolidSource> and its better looking too
[07:37] <beta> intelikey: i really just did it because it was need for some codec or something and it was described like that in the offical manuals...
[07:37] <dougb> i didnt know you can have konquer automatically scroll websites by pressing ctrl+shift and an arrow key
[07:37] <beta> couldnt get an answer here so hm
[07:37] <Skuller> intelikey: lol nice explanation of debian repos...;)
[07:37] <pirothezero> i some how managed to get kde and nautilis at once, not really sure what I did, but I like it rofl
[07:38] <SolidSource> who would use a debian repo on ubuntu? how much sense does that make
[07:38] <intelikey> Skuller well not an explanation on the repos.  but a comment on the problems with tring to warn people not to mix release repos.
[07:38] <intelikey> SolidSource several   you've not been in here very long have you ?
[07:39] <SolidSource> intelikey: I have, just was saying how stupid do you have to be to use a repo for a different distrobution
[07:39] <intelikey> i've seen it maybe 25 or 30 times in the last year and a half.
[07:39] <beta> intelikey: so, let me try it as smple as possible once more....if you actuaclly have backport enabled it WILL HAVE TO mess your system up when updating (provided you have software installed that is in backport and also in another repo)?
[07:40] <intelikey> beta  not   WILL   but   CAN.
[07:40] <intelikey> yes
[07:40] <iPat> HI EVERYbody!
[07:40] <SolidSource> beta: not "have to" but likely to
[07:40] <beta> there is just simply no way to avoid it since it will take the newer version stuff from backport and overwrites your old stufff?
[07:40] <SolidSource> beta: yes
[07:40] <beta> intelikey: hehehe this is just great
[07:41] <intelikey> beta you can force a downgrade of any package.
[07:41] <beta> i knew it would have to happen....i knew it....hence i tried to clear that point before enabling backport
[07:41] <intelikey> you can also disable backports and not let things upgrade from there.
[07:41] <iPat> Can someone tell me witch of the 3 files of kubuntu should I download if I am using a Intel core duo mac?
[07:41] <SolidSource> intelikey: and about your whole analogy on "have to have the latest version" not true...I'm waiting patiently for k3B 1.0 to get to edgy
[07:42] <SolidSource> iPat: what kind of files?
[07:42] <intelikey> SolidSource did i say your name in that statement ?   or are you "most people" ?
[07:42] <SolidSource> intelikey: yes, I'm that fat
[07:42] <beta> the fun part is though that i was the offcial described way to install that specific package...on 3 different manual locations...and nowhere was a hint that said hey dude uncomment backport again once your done otherwise your system might get fucked up after the next update X)
[07:42] <intelikey> lol
[07:42] <SolidSource> intelikey: jk
[07:43] <iPat> yeah i mean is it the amd64 the i386 ? i think powerpc is not cuz this is an intel processor
[07:43] <intelikey> beta you should add that comment to the wiki you visited...
[07:43] <SolidSource> beta: ppl assume you know what you are doing in most tuts
[07:43] <beta> ubunutu might be great but its documention has to be one of the worst out there really ;)
[07:44] <SolidSource> iPat: oh...lol thats good question...
[07:44] <beta> you know im the guy that installed dapper thinking it was the latest stable version since the offical german kubuntu site indeed tells you so ;)
[07:44] <intelikey> the ubuntu wiki's are user supported and authored      to the best of my know so.
[07:44] <SolidSource> ubuntuguide.org.....what great site
[07:45] <SolidSource> !mac
[07:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <SolidSource> !apple
[07:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apple - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <iPat> thanx
[07:45] <beta> intelikey: yes...i didnt mean to give you guys a bad time about it...sorry wasnt my intention i actually have settled with that circumstance
[07:45] <beta> its just ironic
[07:45] <SolidSource> stupid bot
[07:45] <beta> im very thankful for your help
[07:45] <miltos> goodmorning ppl:-] 
[07:46] <SolidSource> iPat: trying to think...don't see any direct answer, never had a mac before
[07:46] <beta> even more since ubunuts manuals seem to fail a lot
[07:46] <iPat> No linux users  have a mac then ?
[07:46] <SolidSource> iPat: oh there are a few...
[07:46] <intelikey> beta you're welcome.
[07:47] <intelikey> iPat some do and they may be in here but not paying attention....
[07:47] <dougb> SolidSource: i have a question, does kubuntu not come with any GTK software?
[07:47] <dgfdg> khu
[07:47] <iPat> Thanx anyway
[07:47] <SolidSource> dougb: nope, KDE is QT based
[07:48] <dougb> sweet
[07:48] <dgfdg> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[07:48] <dgfdg> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[07:48] <dougb> i heard that QT is a much better platform, so maybe it'll get me into developing
[07:48] <dgfdg> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[07:48] <beta> intelikey:  how would i downgrade my packages...or is there any way to prove backport stuff got installed over old one?
[07:48] <dgfdg> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[07:48] <SolidSource> dougb: but you can install GTK apps fine, just make sure the GTK libs are installed
[07:48] <dgfdg> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[07:48] <beta> it would be really ahndy to actually verify that it was the problem
[07:48] <Jucato> dgfdg: please stop that
[07:48] <dgfdg> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[07:48] <SolidSource> dgfdg: dude ..stop
[07:48] <dgfdg> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[07:48] <beta> handy
[07:49] <dougb> yeah i know, i have a bunch of GTK apps installed right now, since i went from ubuntu.  but i wasn't sure if some of the GTK apps for ubuntu were installed in kubuntu and used as a GUI frontend for configuring things
[07:49] <genii> I just just hate spam
[07:49] <dougb> oh SolidSource i know this is a feisty question, but you might know the answer.  in ubuntu there is the option "desktop effects" but i can't seem to find anything like that in Kubuntu to enable compiz effects
[07:50] <SolidSource> dougb: sorry don't know....hate beryl/compiz
[07:50] <dougb> ok, fair enough haha
[07:50] <intelikey> beta try this first.     sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[07:50] <SolidSource> dougb: but if so it should be under k-menu >> system
[07:51] <beta> ok
[07:51] <dougb> yea, there was nothing there.  maybe it is there, but its just jumbled in with the GTK apps
[07:51] <SolidSource> dougb: but, it may need to be recompile/reconfigured for kde
[07:51] <dougb> i downloaded the kubuntu herd5 ISO right now, so i'm going to go do a fresh install of it
[07:51] <dougb> yeah im sure they have it
[07:52] <dougb> well i'll be back
[07:52] <dougb> peace
[07:52] <intelikey> i got rounds.   later guys.     (and gals if any)
[07:52] <beta> intelikey: what did the command do though?
[07:52] <SolidSource> yes,,, we need more women in these channels using IRC....
[07:52] <SolidSource> using Linux***
[07:53] <intelikey> beta attempt to repair your system if it's got LC_MESSAGES   error messages about packages
[07:54] <beta> intelikey: allright thank you very much i highly appreciate it
[07:55] <beta> ok didnt seem to fix anything
[07:56] <beta> a last question on that matter before i reinstall:
[07:56] <[pyro] > heh i love it. currently using kubuntu live cd to fix a windows box
[07:56] <beta> just wnat to make sure about it now
[07:57] <SolidSource> beta: if you have no specific reasons for using dapper, try edgy, may fix a lot of your problems
[07:57] <NaNO2x> soooo, beryl/ati experts?
[07:57] <beta> solidsource: yes....i got dapper cuz the german kubuntu site tells you it is the latest stable
[07:57] <beta> ;D
[07:57] <SolidSource> beta: well how stupid
[07:58] <NaNO2x> :P
[07:58] <SolidSource> beta: get edgy..... www.kubuntu.org
[07:58] <beta> damn germans ;)
[07:58] <NaNO2x> so would that be a no
[07:58] <NaNO2x> solid
[07:58] <beta> solidsource: already burned...will install it in a few minutes
[07:59] <SolidSource> NaNO2x: ?
[07:59] <NaNO2x> its just getting beryl to work the rest is fine now after some headaches
[07:59] <beta> ok, so to make it 100% foolproof:
[07:59] <SolidSource> beta: not 100%....but sure
[07:59] <Jucato> NaNO2x: tried #ubuntu-effects or #beryl ?
[07:59] <amrush> hello there ... I need a C++ compiler ... how can i get one ?'
[07:59] <SolidSource> NaNO2x: eh, I like how Nvidia is nice to linux
[08:00] <beta> if theres a software that lies in backport as well as in another repo...you got backport enabled...and you want to install that specific software via apt-get
[08:00] <NaNO2x> from fglrxinfo
[08:00] <NaNO2x> xlib: extention "xfree86-dri" missing on display ":1.0".
[08:00] <NaNO2x> display :0.0 screen:0
[08:00] <NaNO2x> opengl vendor string: mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[08:00] <NaNO2x> opengl render string: mesa glx indirect
[08:00] <NaNO2x> open gl version string: 1.2 (1.5 mesa 6.5.1)
[08:00] <NaNO2x> no i havent
[08:00] <yknott> [pyro] : i used kubuntu to fix a windows box as well; format/install ;)
[08:00] <NaNO2x> i was looking for a beryl channel
[08:00] <Jucato> !pastebin | NaNO2x
[08:00] <ubotu> NaNO2x: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:00] <beta> apt-get might have problems knowing where to take it from....(backport or differen location)
[08:00] <SolidSource> beta: no, you get which ever is the latest version
[08:00] <Jucato> amrush: install the "build-essential" package
[08:01] <makuseru> is there anything like a EQ analyzer like in amarok, but fullscreen?
[08:01] <beta> just similiar to when updating
[08:01] <beta> SolidSource: which will be backport righty right?
[08:01] <SolidSource> beta: not always
[08:01] <amrush> Jucato: already newest version
[08:01] <beta> sheesh
[08:02] <beta> ;)
[08:02] <Jucato> amrush: then you already have a compiler. g++ (part of gcc)
[08:02] <SolidSource> beta: they trying to solve such confusions in feisty
[08:02] <beta> solidsource: sounds good...
[08:02] <SolidSource> beta: but just remember www.ubutnu-nl.org/source-o-matic for you sources.list needs
[08:02] <NaNO2x> how does that pastebin work?
[08:02] <amrush> and where can i find that lol ... ?? neither can't be run in terminal
[08:03] <beta> nan02x: just paste your stuff in and it gives you an url as far as im concerned
[08:03] <beta> !pastebin
[08:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:03] <Jucato> amrush: it's a command line app. you run it like "g++ foo.cpp -o foo" (the "-o foo" part creates an executable named "foo")
[08:03] <NaNO2x> ah
[08:03] <NaNO2x> i see
[08:03] <SolidSource> NaNO2x: just a site so you don't clutter the channel...you paste outputs there, and give us the URL so we can examini it
[08:04] <NaNO2x> i gotcha
[08:04] <NaNO2x> gonna do that now
[08:04] <NaNO2x> thanks
[08:04] <amrush> aha ... thanks i will try that
[08:04] <SolidSource> personally I like pastebin.sk...
[08:04] <SolidSource> www.pastebin.sk
[08:05] <beta> allright, i hassled you guys enough for the time being
[08:05] <beta> ;)
[08:05] <beta> SolidSource: as i said before...thx a heap for your help
[08:05] <beta> bye
[08:06] <SolidSource> beta: sorry couldn't grasp exactly what you were saying sooner
[08:06] <beta> SolidSource: yes my bad...i need to work on my english i know
[08:06] <beta> ok later
[08:06] <beta> bye
[08:06] <Jucato> dang he left...
[08:06] <underdog5004> bleagh, I had to make my sources.list file point to the canadian repos cause I was getting "connection reset" errors with the us repos...anyone else have that problem?
[08:07] <amrush> jucato.. it says no such file or directory .. shouldn't it create it as u said ?
[08:08] <SolidSource> ALRIGHT HOMIES.... Guten Nacht
[08:08] <Jucato> night SolidSource
[08:08] <makuseru> is there anything like a EQ analyzer like in amarok, but fullscreen?
[08:08] <Jucato> amrush: er... substitute "foo.cpp" with C++ file you are trying to compile
[08:08] <NaNO2x> gah i'm wondering if all this hastle is worth the switch to kubuntu, i'm used to gnome
[08:09] <underdog5004> NaNO2x, yes, it is
[08:09] <Jucato> it will probably be less of a hassle if you didn't use Beryl :)
[08:09] <underdog5004> GNOME is teh. suxxors
[08:09] <underdog5004> as it were...
[08:10] <underdog5004> Jucato, but beryl is so pretty!
[08:10] <amrush> jucato.. i know i would change that ... but i didn't write a program yet ... all i need is somewhere to write it :)
[08:10] <Jucato> let's not go into that... :)
[08:10] <NaNO2x> well the comp is fully functional other than beryl
[08:10] <NaNO2x> i've never used beryl
[08:10] <NaNO2x> but it looked fun
[08:10] <NaNO2x> so i wana try it out
[08:10] <underdog5004> NaNO2x, what's the problem you're having w/ it?
[08:10] <NaNO2x> well i load into xgl
[08:10] <Jucato> amrush: then you're not looking for a compiler, you're looking for an IDE or a text editor...
[08:10] <NaNO2x> session
[08:10] <NaNO2x> and everything seems to load
[08:10] <underdog5004> lol, and no bar at the top of your windows?
[08:10] <NaNO2x> but none of the beryl functions load
[08:11] <NaNO2x> no thats all fine
[08:11] <Jucato> NaNO2x: well, the problem you mentioned (beryl) isn't really caused by KDE (or GNOME for that matter)
[08:11] <underdog5004> NaNO2x, did you set the window manager to Beryl?
[08:11] <NaNO2x> no things like ctrl alt left right
[08:11] <NaNO2x> yeah
[08:11] <amrush> jucato.. aha, and how can i find that ?
[08:11] <NaNO2x> one sec
[08:11] <NaNO2x> let me do that pastebin
[08:11] <underdog5004> I mean, did you right-click on the beryl icon, go to "Select Window Manager" and select Beryl?
[08:12] <Jucato> amrush: Kate (installed by default) is an extra powerful text editor that does half of an IDE's job. KDevelop is a full-blown IDE
[08:12] <NaNO2x> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11461/plain/
[08:12] <NaNO2x> yeas
[08:12] <NaNO2x> but i think thats the point of the error
[08:12] <underdog5004> yeach, ati!
[08:12] <NaNO2x> heh
[08:12] <NaNO2x> yeah
[08:12] <underdog5004> major bummer for you...
[08:13] <NaNO2x> beryl does run under ati and my card is one of the supported ones
[08:13] <Jucato> amrush: btw, IDE = Integrated Development Environment. it's an app that sort of integrates or combines separate apps or features that you would normally use in programming, for example a text editor + compiler
[08:13] <iPat> hey guys What's the big diffence between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[08:13] <underdog5004> I have no experience with that card...I had an ati rage 64 whatever...no drivers whatsoever
[08:13] <NaNO2x> yeah
[08:13] <Jucato> amrush: for simple stuff, you could get away with just using a text editor and running the compiler in the command line
[08:13] <underdog5004> NaNO2x, hmmm, I trust that you've trolled the wiki?
[08:13] <NaNO2x> i need to find someone who knows ati
[08:13] <NaNO2x> yeah
[08:13] <underdog5004> iPat, eyecandy
[08:13] <NaNO2x> the byrel one and the ubuntu forums
[08:14] <Jucato> NaNO2x: tried #ubuntu-effects or #beryl ? <--- repeating the suggestion
[08:14] <NaNO2x> and some google sites on installing byrel with ati
[08:14] <NaNO2x> :p
[08:14] <underdog5004> NaNO2x, sorry man, but I can't help you...wish I could...
[08:14] <NaNO2x> none of them are responding
[08:14] <amrush> jucato: thanks .. but is it made specially for C or can i use another language on it, for ex, Java?
[08:14] <NaNO2x> aye, tis not a problem
[08:14] <NaNO2x> thanks for the understanding
[08:14] <Jucato> amrush: what is made specially for C?
[08:14] <bumzo> hi
[08:14] <bumzo> kubuntu pple
[08:14] <Jucato> NaNO2x: the #ubuntu-effects channel has links to pages/guides
[08:14] <amrush> Jucato: Kate or KDevelop?
[08:15] <bumzo> i have just replaced my CD rom with a CD WRITER but the system cannot see it. How do i go abt it?
[08:15] <Jucato> amrush: Kate is a text editor. it doesn't care what language you are typing. KDevelop can do both C and C++. not sure about Java IDE's
[08:15] <underdog5004> bumzo, maybe run udev from Konsole
[08:15] <iPat> witch one have eyecandy ?
[08:15] <makuseru> is there anything like a EQ analyzer like in amarok, but fullscreen?
[08:15] <iPat> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[08:15] <underdog5004> iPat, kubuntu has more eyecandy
[08:16] <underdog5004> iPat, gnome seems to be strictly functional
[08:16] <Jucato> makuseru: try asking in #amarok because apparently no one here knows the answer
[08:16] <iPat> is that how you call the efects of 3d stuff ?
[08:16] <amrush> Jucato: thanks .. i will see what can i do with this :)
[08:16] <underdog5004> iPat, also just the look and feel of the icons and desktop
[08:16] <iPat> ok so is the equivalent of the aqua on a mac
[08:16] <underdog5004> iPat, much nicer, imho
[08:16] <underdog5004> nicer than gnome
[08:17] <iPat> Cool
[08:17] <underdog5004> I think you can customize it to look like aqua...not sure how, though
[08:17] <iPat> I am now downloading the kubuntu
[08:17] <iPat> I saw many diffents skins on this OS
[08:17] <underdog5004> iPat, good for you, if you have any questions, come on back here!
[08:17] <NaNO2x> and i already read all of those wikis
[08:18] <iPat> Thanx I will be around
[08:18] <underdog5004> genii! my good friend!
[08:18] <genii> underdog5004: Heyas :)
[08:19] <underdog5004> oh man, I bought an nvidia geforce 5500 PCI video card and loaded beryl!
[08:19] <genii> Sorry for lag, most active in #ubuntu atm :)
[08:19] <underdog5004> I almost crapped myself when it worked!
[08:19] <underdog5004> lol
[08:19] <NaNO2x> :P
[08:19] <underdog5004> that old ati one is out for good!
[08:19] <NaNO2x> my card will beat yours out when it is loaded
[08:19] <NaNO2x> 512 shared memory 256 solid
[08:19] <NaNO2x> :p
[08:20] <underdog5004> NaNO2x, just fine for me...my mobo doesn't have pci-e nor agp
[08:20] <bumzo> underdog5004 ... how do i do that ?
[08:21] <underdog5004> bumzo, open up Konsole, then type udev
[08:21] <bumzo> underdog5004: what exact command do i write?
[08:21] <underdog5004> bumzo, open up Konsole, then type udev
[08:21] <genii> underdog5004: I'm just getting so disappointed every day with ATI
[08:21] <underdog5004> but that may not work properly...
[08:21] <bumzo>  underdog5004: bash: udev: command not found
[08:21] <underdog5004> genii, serial! I mean, I don't know if they getting graft from microsoft or what...
[08:22] <underdog5004> bumzo, then I'm out of knowledge...ask genii
[08:22] <Skuller> btw tis bin like more than 3 months since ATI was takenover by AMD
[08:22] <bumzo> jucato: hi
[08:22] <Jucato> hi bumzo
[08:22] <bumzo> geni: need your help...cant seem to find my new cdwriter which i have just installed
[08:22] <NaNO2x> whos ati smart here?
[08:22] <bumzo> hi jucato: long time, you good?
[08:22] <Jucato> no I'm bad. very baaaaad :)
[08:22] <genii> bumzo Unfortunately I'm overextended at the moment for helping ppl :( Perhaps Jucato or someone else can asist
[08:23] <Jucato> oh I'm bad w/ hardware... :(
[08:23] <bumzo> Jucato: trying to install my new cdwriter ...cant see it from storage media ... any idea?
[08:23] <epimeth> *yawn* gmorninig
[08:23] <underdog5004> genii, you are a gnu/hero!
[08:23] <Skuller> *yawn* gnite all
[08:23] <underdog5004> I'm going to bed...too much alcohol and not enough sleep
[08:23] <underdog5004> lol
[08:23] <epimeth> gnight!
[08:23] <bumzo> genii: i understand thanks ... but do u have an idea
[08:23] <Jucato> bumzo: my only hunch would be you need to add an entry to /etc/fstab file...
[08:24] <Skuller> yea me too...too much homework n no sleep
[08:24] <Jucato> er... did you add or replace a drive?
[08:24] <bumzo> epimeth: how do i get my system to see my dcwriter?
[08:24] <epimeth> too early for direct questions!
[08:24] <bumzo> jucato: and how doe ''we'' do that?
[08:24] <epimeth> bla
[08:24] <epimeth> lemme brush my teeth
[08:25] <bumzo> bla=bila?
[08:25] <Skuller> ah..now i know where that smell was coming from
[08:25] <Skuller> no offence:)
[08:25] <Jucato> bumzo: sorry, it was really just a hunch...not really sure what to do..
[08:25] <bumzo> hhmm... i feel u jucato
[08:25] <bumzo> !ubuntu
[08:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[08:26] <genii> bumzo pls restate the question to save me sscrolling :)
[08:29] <epimeth> bumzo: in order to make sure we're not all gonna start searching like crazy for nothing... does it appear in the bios probe?
[08:29] <epimeth> becuase if not there is nothing we can do... either you didn't plug it in properly, its busted, or you didn't set the master/slave jumper correctly
[08:30] <genii> bumzo Yes. if bios detects is useful. Also whether you have any gaps between drives logically eg: ide0drive0 exists ide0drive1=noexist ide1drive1=cd
[08:31] <epimeth> I'm having a problem with x... I get the login screen (kdm) but the window manager doesn't load... I get thrown back to the login
[08:31] <epimeth> how do I set my window manager in kdm?
[08:34] <epimeth> anyone?
[08:34] <genii> options change the session type
[08:35] <bumzo> genii: amm ... eer wil li have to rebot to check my bios? but am kinda positive it does
[08:35] <epimeth> bumzo: yes
[08:36] <epimeth> bumzo: just a precaution :-)
[08:36] <epimeth> bumzo: cuz half the computer probllems are solved by "are you sure it's plugged in?"
[08:36] <genii> bumzo Well, if you have some logical gap between master hd on primary ide and master hd (cdrom) on secondary, put the cdrom at slave on primary ribbon
[08:37] <genii> make sure the jumpers are correct
[08:37] <epimeth> genii: whups... my bad!  it jumps back only *after* kde loads.... I get the desktop, then I guess something causes KDE to crash... how do I check what programs run on kde startup?  or check a log of what kde loaded?
[08:38] <genii> epimeth some autostart folder in home dir I think
[08:38] <epimeth> there was just .desktop
[08:38] <bumzo> genii: actually waht i did is took out my cd rom ... replaced it with the cd writer ...its a slave on IDE 1
[08:40] <genii> bumzo the old cdrom worked in there for ubuntu?
[08:40] <bumzo> oh perfectly yes genii
[08:41] <genii> bumzo OK, make sure the master device on that ribbon is on the end of the cable. Put the cd writer in the middle of the cable if it's supposed to be the slave.
[08:42] <genii> (usually factory set to cable select)
[08:42] <kraut> moin
[08:42] <bumzo> genii; wait your right .. .could be jumpers ....need to restart
[08:43] <genii> I'll be here
[08:44] <epimeth> genii: did I not *say* jumpers?
[08:44] <genii> epimeth :)
[08:44] <[pyro] > genii :)
[08:45] <[pyro] > coffee :)
[08:45] <epimeth> do I *have* to write the person's name before everything I say??? grrrrrr
[08:45] <epimeth> coffee sounds like a good idea
[08:45] <epimeth> question is do I make my own or go down to the corner?
[08:46] <[pyro] > coffee seems to taste so much better when someone else makes it
[08:46] <genii> I agree
[08:46] <epimeth> especially if its a cute barista
[08:46] <epimeth> but I make one mean cup....
[08:46] <epimeth> we got the high quality gourme' shit in the fridge :-)
[08:47] <genii> If bumzo returns please tell him I'm returning shortly
[08:47] <genii> (cofferun)
[08:47] <[pyro] > lol
[08:47] <epimeth> if bumzo returns tell him I won't help him anyway :-p
[08:48] <epimeth> (coffeewalk)
[08:55] <angela> today feisty beta will be out?
[08:55] <unix_infidel> !fiesty
[08:55] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[08:59] <bumzo> oh no
[08:59] <bumzo> genii: u thee?
[08:59] <bumzo> heloo
[09:00] <[pyro] > bumzo: he went to get coffee
[09:00] <genii> bumzo I just sat down
[09:00] <[pyro] > <genii> If bumzo returns please tell him I'm returning shortly
[09:00] <[pyro] > <genii> (cofferun)
[09:01] <[pyro] > lol
[09:01] <genii> [pyro]  thanks nyhow :)
[09:01] <[pyro] > lol
[09:01] <bumzo> oh no
[09:01] <bumzo> Genii: u thee?
[09:01] <genii> Yup
[09:01] <genii> bumzo Yes alive and kicking :)
[09:02] <genii> With coffee and muffins I might add
[09:02] <Skuller> [pyro] : *gulp gulp gulp...ahhhh*...that felt good...thanks buddy
[09:02] <bumzo> now i have even bigger probs ... i cant locate my ORIGINAL cd rom even after replacing it back to my system genii
[09:03] <genii> bumzo I think in bios you need to: make sure all hd detection for all 4 spots are set to "auto
[09:03] <genii> bleh
[09:03] <[pyro] > Jucato: ?
[09:04] <Jucato> !tab | [pyro] 
[09:04] <ubotu> [pyro] : You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[09:04] <Jucato> [pyro] : saves you from having to include the < > in genii's nick
[09:04] <genii> bumzo I think in bios you need to: make sure all hd detection for all 4 spots are set to "auto". Then check the ribbon to make sure it is seated properly in the motherboard. then check the jumperson th 2 drives and have the drive which is jumpered for master at the end of the cabe, drive jumpered for slave in the middle.
[09:04] <[pyro] > Jucato: oh, i am using tab. Bitchx is converting it for me
[09:05] <bumzo> genii ... got it ... logging off again
[09:05] <Skuller> bumzo: and also make sure they are being detected in the bios by their brand/model names
[09:05] <genii> Then see if bios autodetect sees them. If it does then change it back to auto again instead of leaving it
[09:05] <bumzo> ok .. got it genii
[09:06] <dmbkiwi> Anyone know why audio ripping is painfully slow in kaudiocreator?
[09:06] <dmbkiwi> Is there a faster cd ripper somewhere?
[09:06] <Skuller> dmbkiwi: have you ripper with other tools before?
[09:06] <Jucato> !ripping
[09:06] <ubotu> To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[09:06] <Jucato> dmbkiwi: try that link ^^^
[09:07] <genii> Jucato Nice :)
[09:07] <dmbkiwi> Skuller: yeah I've ripped before.  Always seems slow.  I'll have a look at that link
[09:08] <pappy_> hi
[09:08] <pappy_> does anyone know if HP scanjet 4p works with kubuntu?
[09:09] <Skuller> dmbkiwi: ohh sorry...i just wanted to eliminate the doubt of you ripping for the first time with the current tool...since many people who rip for the first time think something's wrong with that tool coz its 'ripping' is slower than normal 'song copying'
[09:09] <Skuller> song=file
[09:10] <[pyro] > hehe soon it will be !question and !answer from ubotu and we can just sit back and relax :)
[09:10] <[pyro] > oh and drink coffee
[09:10] <Skuller> hehe
[09:11] <Skuller> i still want to make ubotu go into a loop by editing his !ubotu and replacing it with !ubotu creating an endless loop :D
[09:12] <genii> pappy_ Yes, it works great :)
[09:12] <pappy_> with which scsi card?
[09:12] <bumzo> genii: am back All is well with bios jumpers and motherboard ide pin etc. i have even seen the cd rom on bios and its on auto
[09:13] <bumzo> genii: but i just cant see it when kubuntu loads
[09:13] <genii> pappy_ Adaptec 29160
[09:13] <NaNO2x> heres an update i got it to here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11468/plain/
[09:13] <[pyro] > uhoh, laptop batt dieing
[09:14] <genii> bumzo OK, please pastebin /etc/fstab
[09:14] <[pyro] > heh, thats better. Its always a mad rush to find the power adaptor
[09:14] <pappy_> and  i just install the card plug in the scanner and that's it?
[09:14] <[pyro] > always a race against time between me and hibernate :D
[09:14] <genii> pappy_: You need the scanimage program but it should be in there already
[09:15] <pappy_> where do i check for this?
[09:15] <bumzo> !pastebin
[09:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:16] <genii> pappy_: Do you have Kooka or XSane appearing as a program you already have? If so, it is installed
[09:16] <Owean> what is the ubuntu repo that includes the latest mplayer?
[09:16] <pappy_> i have kooka
[09:17] <Owean> ubotu mplayer
[09:17] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[09:17] <bumzo> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11469/
[09:17] <Owean> ubotu xine
[09:17] <genii> pappy_ Good, then the backend is already there. you should be able to just plug it in and good to go
[09:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:17] <genii> bumzo OK reading
[09:17] <pappy_> ok i'l try thank you
[09:18] <bentob0x> we're using NFS between two machines here and everyday it's a new port we need to use when mounting the apache htdocs onto the second machine, anybody knows a workaround to avoid opening a new port in the firewall everyday?
[09:18] <genii> bumzo Change hdb to hdc
[09:19] <genii> bumzo Wait
[09:19] <bumzo> genii: wah was abt to .. .ehe
[09:19] <genii> bumzo It is master or slave on second ribbon? Also is the other thing a hd or cd
[09:19] <bumzo> genii: yes...
[09:20] <bumzo> Genii: its a slave on ide1, the master is the HDD thats running kubuntu
[09:20] <genii> bumzo OK, so hdd not hdc
[09:21] <genii> For you is ide1 the second ide ribbon or the first ide ribbon?
[09:21] <genii> eg: When I say ide1 I mean the secondary ide controller
[09:21] <genii> whereas ide0 would be the first
[09:21] <bumzo> genii:how do i edit that? its telling me i dont have write access ...i rane /etc.fstab on run
[09:22] <genii> bumzo kdesu kate
[09:23] <bumzo> genii: sorry u lost me there .. i run ''kdesu kate'' on terminal?
[09:23] <bumzo> ...or ''run command''
[09:23] <genii> yes
[09:23] <[StingRay] > Hi all. I just reinstalled due to broken HDD. Can I use the kernel I compiled from my previous install on this PC?
[09:23] <genii> terminal/konsole
[09:24] <genii> bumzo After looking closer at your fstab paste, I see what I think is the issue
[09:25] <bumzo> genii:ok ...am there its a blank page written ''untitled''
[09:25] <genii> bumzo OK, so open up now /etc/fstab
[09:26] <genii> bumzo Forget the changes I said earlier. your paste indicates you have no second ide controller being used
[09:26] <genii> bumzo The only change to make:    where it says noauto  in the line containing hdb     just change only this to auto instead
[09:27] <genii> bumzo Then save the file. Then from konsole do:    sudo mount -a   with some cd you want to read
[09:27] <genii> (in the drive)
[09:27] <pappy_> Hi i'm trying ti rip some songs from acd and make them mp3. i try to use KAudioCreator but when i start it gives me a message that No encoder has been selected and Please select an encoder in the configuration. Any ideas of how to do this?
[09:28] <Jucato> pappy_: you have to install LAME
[09:28] <pappy_> from apt?
[09:28] <Jucato> !ripping | pappy_
[09:28] <ubotu> pappy_: To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[09:28] <Jucato> yes
[09:28] <bumzo> genii: am in the etc flder but cant see fstab
[09:29] <pappy_> ok i don't have lame installed so i will instale it and try again. thx
[09:30] <genii> bumzo OK, quit kate. Go to konsole. Type in:    sudo nano /etc/fstab
[09:31] <genii> bumzo make the change from noauto to auto in there. To exit use ctrl-x   then Y to save it. Then do still in konsole:   sudo mount -a
[09:31] <bumzo> genii:am there
[09:31] <genii> bumzo With some cd in the drive
[09:33] <pappy_> ok installed lame but the same message again. do i have to reboot or something?
[09:33] <beta> if i reinstall and want to get rid of all the stuff in /home/user/ beside my personal datafolder there what would i have to do?
[09:34] <beta> i mean if i delete the setting some instantly will get retsored
[09:34] <genii> beta if no other folders in there except for that one folder do rm ~/*
[09:34] <beta> settings
[09:34] <bumzo> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11472/
[09:35] <genii> bumzo OK looking
[09:35] <genii> bumzo Change:
[09:35] <genii> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[09:35] <genii> to be:
[09:36] <genii> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,auto     0       0
[09:36] <beta> genii: well its like that /home/user/ then 4 folders i want to keep
[09:36] <genii> Sorry for multiline guys, wanted clarity
[09:36] <genii> beta to delete the folders you DON'T want use rm -R ~/<<unwanted foldernamehere>>
[09:37] <beta> seperated by spaces?
[09:37] <genii> bumzo After you make the change, use ctrl-x (ctrl key and x key together) to exit.
[09:38] <bumzo> genii: what command do i put in to let me edit ...cant seem to edit
[09:38] <beta> hm crap
[09:38] <beta> is there actually any problem with keeping some setting files from dapper when reinstalling edgy over it?
[09:39] <bumzo> genii: wait .. i have
[09:40] <genii> bumzo Use the keyboard arrow keys to navigate. Position the cursor in between the letters noauto such: no|auto then hit the backspace key twice. Then hit ctrl key and hold it down. then hit the x key. release both keys. When the prompt asks to save the file hit Y key. when it shows the filename to save as just hit enter.
[09:40] <bumzo> genii: now should i '' sudo mount -a ''?
[09:40] <bumzo> did that genii
[09:40] <genii> bumzo OK LOL
[09:40] <sandro__> hi all .. is there a way to DISable the mouse-feature, that pressing left+right mousebutton together simulates a "middle" mouse button click !?
[09:40] <genii> bumzo so now in konsole, :    sudo mount -a
[09:42] <genii> bumzo if no complaints from that command (with some readable cdrom in the drive) then issue in konsole:  ls /media/cdrom0
[09:42] <genii> bumzo If it shows a listing it worked
[09:42] <Jucato> sandro__: I think in xorg.conf, the option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" line
[09:42] <bumzo> genii: mount: No medium found mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[09:42] <genii> sigh
[09:43] <sandro__> Jucato:  that line actually exists in my xorg.conf :) thank you ill test right away
[09:43] <nonuda_> is there any command to check of my xorg version?
[09:43] <genii> bumzo just type: mount   and tell me if it shows /dev/hdb mounted
[09:43] <Jucato> sandro__: you will need to restart X for it to take effect
[09:43] <tempnick> i need to modify my /boot/grub/menu.lst file in order to have my windows partition show up on the boot.... does gedit not work in kubuntu?
[09:44] <sandro__> ok
[09:44] <Jucato> nonuda_: apt-cache policy xorg
[09:44] <bumzo> genii: ...wait, it worked. i put in another cd .... it auto poped
[09:44] <Jucato> nonuda_: or in KInfoCenter
[09:44] <nonuda_> ok
[09:44] <genii> bumzo The sda1 line is for some usb drive etc so don't worry about it
[09:44] <Jucato> tempnick: no. because gedit is a GNOME app. use kdesu kate instead of gksudo gedit
[09:44] <beta> is it a problem to keep some setting files in /home/user/ from dapper then installing edgy over it?
[09:45] <bumzo> u good GENII: let me put it my cd writer now
[09:45] <tempnick> Jucato: so using> gksudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst would allow me to append to the file?
[09:45] <Jucato> all bumzo needed was one cup of genii :)
[09:45] <genii> bumzo As it turns out the actual problem was minor but it was discovering where it was that was convoluted ROFL
[09:45] <Jucato> tempnick: no. if you're on Kubuntu use "kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.list"
[09:45] <genii> <<communication errors!>>
[09:46] <Jucato> genii: what was the actual problem?
[09:47] <genii> Jucato his fstab line for the cdrom was set to noauto as an option when it should have been auto
[09:47] <Jucato> aaaah
[09:48] <genii> Jucato Although triplechecking the jumpers and cabling etc is always agood idea anyhow :)
[09:48] <Jucato> that's what they always say... whenever they misdiagnose something :P
[09:48] <exence> helo
[09:49] <exence> pouvez vous me donner le lien kubuntu.fr
[09:49] <genii> Jucato the crux of the problem was that I thought he had his cdrom on secondary ide ribbon when it really was on the primary.
[09:49] <Jucato> !fr | exence
[09:49] <ubotu> exence: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:49] <bumzo> genii: u thee
[09:50] <genii> bumzo Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of windoze I shall fear no evil.... LOL    ... Iam no "thee" yet my son
[09:51] <Jucato> lol
[09:51] <bumzo> genii: lol ...the first geek with a sense of humour
[09:51] <Jucato> O.o
[09:51] <bumzo> genii: tell me what command did we use to get to the console where we altering the ''noauto'' ?
[09:51] <beta> people help me here it may be painfully basic but i have no clue
[09:52] <nonuda_> guys i just found a list of ati driver for my old ati rage, but i'm so confuse to choose the correct driver for my system, can anybody take a look at this http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=12629 and give me a suggestion
[09:52] <beta> and i dont want to mess up my freshinstall
[09:52] <Jucato> genii: please don't tell me that you're going to make  martyr out of me... :/
[09:52] <genii> bumzo The sudo command is to run things as root. The other program is called nano. It is a simple text editor
[09:52] <bumzo> so it was ''sudo nano kdsu kate'' ?
[09:52] <Jucato> n
[09:52] <Jucato> no
[09:53] <Jucato> sudo nano <file> <--- command line text editor
[09:53] <tempnick> if my windows partition is /dev/hda2... then when editing /boot/grub/menu.lst, should i add root (hd0,2) at the bottom of the file?
[09:53] <bumzo> sudo nano /etc/fstab?
[09:53] <genii> bumzo No. for graphical applications which use the KDE, it is kdesu <appname> for commandline it is sudo <appname> for gnome it is gksu <appname>
[09:54] <Jucato> tempnick: hda2 = hd0,1
[09:54] <Jucato> !grub | tempnick
[09:54] <ubotu> tempnick: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:54] <tempnick> what about chainloader? is +1 acceptable?
[09:54] <genii> beta Still trying to clean out your home dir?
[09:54] <beta> beta: yes, the problem is that certain setting files keep restoring after deleting
[09:55] <genii> beta Well, since you are in an active session, this will happen. Boot to a livecd and do it
[09:55] <tempnick> title		Microsoft Windows XP
[09:55] <tempnick> root		(hd0,1)
[09:55] <tempnick> savedefault
[09:55] <tempnick> makeacive
[09:55] <tempnick> chainloader	+1
[09:55] <Jucato> !pastebin | tempnick
[09:55] <ubotu> tempnick: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:55] <tempnick> does that seem to make sense to add to my menu.lst if my xp partition is on hda2?
[09:56] <genii> tempnick Yes
[09:56] <Jucato> tempnick: that's "makeactive" not makeacive btw
[09:56] <nonuda_> jucato, can u guide me?
[09:56] <tempnick> oops... lol... thanks Jucato :)
[09:56] <genii> tempnick Except for the typo
[09:56] <Jucato> nonuda_: sorry. don't know ati :/
[09:56] <unix_infidel> anyone know of a program like maxivista that's crossplatform.
[09:56] <Jucato> what's maxivista?
[09:56] <unix_infidel> using multiple computers is knackering me pertty quick.
[09:56] <Jucato> please not something to do w/ Vista
[09:56] <Jucato> :)
[09:56] <tempnick> thanks :) i'm gonna give it a try now
[09:56] <beta> genii: that would mean though id first have to set file permissions to rw everyone then livecd..edgy install then setting the default file permissions for /home/again?
[09:56] <unix_infidel> Jucato: its windows yes, but not anything to do with vista.
[09:57] <Jucato> what does it do?
[09:57] <unix_infidel> i need a crossplatform alternative, perferably FOSS
[09:58] <MuJ> unix_infidel: synergy
[09:58] <unix_infidel> MuJ: no i use synergy
[09:58] <MuJ> eehh.. no.. sry
[09:59] <MuJ> it's not the same I see :P
[09:59] <rebecca_> hey peoples, anyone had problems with firefox outputting sound recently? i think a recent update broke it..
[09:59] <genii> beta You don't need to change perms on anything. Just boot to livecd. Mount your old / on something convenient like /mnt/old  then switch to a console or use the konsole. prepend the rm commands with sudo. eg: rm /mnt/old/home/myusername/* && sudo rm -R /mnt/old/home/myusername/<<some folder to discard>>
[09:59] <genii> beta Then install the new OS from livecd keeping the same partitionyou had before for home
[10:00] <unix_infidel> http://www.ubergizmo.com/zoom.php?img=2007/3/seven-monitors_large.jpg
[10:00] <unix_infidel> Jucato: that's what maxivista can do.
[10:00] <genii> beta I forgot to add sudo before the first rm command btw. Put it in
[10:00] <beta> genii: this mean everyone can acces and delete your /home/ folder via a live cd?
[10:00] <unix_infidel> that's actually five high end computers linked together by software
[10:01] <genii> beta Yes
[10:01] <beta> wow
[10:01] <genii> beta A thought occurs
[10:01] <unix_infidel> http://www.stefandidak.com/office/index.php
[10:01] <beta> ;)
[10:01] <unix_infidel> more here ^^^
[10:01] <Jucato> unix_infidel: wow...
[10:01] <unix_infidel> i have multiple LCD's on multiple computers i need something like maxivista.
[10:01] <Jucato> that goes beyond my curreny puny technological knowledge...
[10:01] <genii> beta Did you have a separate partition of your hard drive for the directory /home or was it just a regular directory in /
[10:01] <Admiral_Chicago> hello all
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> how are you all
[10:02] <genii> Bizarre, italics
[10:02] <Jucato> what? no smiley? :(
[10:02] <beta> makes you wonder what all the security fuss is about then...just insert knoppix and bam
[10:02] <Jucato> hehehe
[10:02] <beta> genii: seperate partition
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i'm a bit...inebriated at the moment, much to celebrate tonight.
[10:02] <genii> beta Thats why a bios password is good. Or disabling cdrom/floppy boot in bios and locking it out with a bios password
[10:03] <Jucato> beta: once someone else has physical access to the computer, any security is for naught...
[10:03] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: btw, have you looked at apport recently?
[10:03] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: ooh :)
[10:03] <genii> beta OK, if a separate partition then after deleting whatever in there from livecd you are good to do a new install
[10:03] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: looked at it? yeah I've seen it... but haven't really used it..
[10:04] <beta> yes, but bios passwords can be resetted as far as i know
[10:04] <beta> hm ok anyway
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> its very cool. but we are up to our eyeballs in crash reports
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: question. is there a way is klipper to paste a string by just using a keystroke?
[10:04] <beta> i bet i will mess it up and delte all my stuff
[10:05] <genii> beta Then back it up somewhere as well
[10:05] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: you mean Ctrl+V?
[10:05] <beta> genii: i cant thats the problem
[10:05] <bumzo> genii:
[10:05] <bumzo> !pastebin
[10:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:05] <genii> beta ftp it somewhere
[10:06] <beta> im ashamed i dont get commands you gave me
[10:06] <beta> i didnt get
[10:06] <bumzo> Genii: i have loaded my cd writer now ... taken out the cd rom look waht i got ...
[10:06] <genii> bumzo OK I'll have a look
[10:06] <amrush> Jucato: I'm back, I wrote the program i created the executable.. but i cannot execute it .. I can see the icon on the desktop but i can't use it
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: no. i mean if I have 3 pastes, is there a way I can have 1 paste with alt + 1, 2 paste with alt + 2 or something like that
[10:07] <beta> genii: i mean what does the first do and what the second?
[10:07] <bumzo> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11474/
[10:07] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: oh not really sure
[10:07] <beta> genii: what do i have ti put in if i want to get rid of all files in that specific folder beside the one i write out?
[10:07] <amrush> Jucato: is there a special program that i should open it in ?
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, richard said you had _all_ the answers
[10:08] <beta> will put it all in one folder to play it safe ;)
[10:08] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: he did?
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> lol, in #ubuntu-chicago
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> hahaha
[10:08] <Jucato> amrush: if it's a program that's meant to run in the command line, you have to run it in Konsole
[10:09] <bumzo> genni: seen?
[10:09] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: there is one way... but not exactly the way you want
[10:10] <genii> beta sudo rm /mnt/old/home/myusername/*                   <-- this removes just whatever files are in your old home dir if it's mounted under /mnt/old directory from the livecd --  && <-- this lets you put more than 1 command in a single line  --   sudo rm -R /mnt/old/home/myusername/<<some folder to discard>>  <-- you do this to recursively remove any crap folders with stuff you don't want...
[10:10] <genii> ...that happens to be in your home dir. You need to maybe repeat this with whatever names in place of the folders you wish to remove
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> i know you can do it my moving and clicking, i want it by keystrokes
[10:10] <genii> bumzo, sorry not yet was answering beta
[10:10] <bumzo> genii?
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe actions can do it
[10:10] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: Ctrl+Alt+V to show the list, cursor keys to move up/down, press Enter, then Ctrl+V
[10:10] <genii> bumzo Going there nowe, don't worry
[10:11] <Jucato> no I was talking about keyboards ^^^
[10:11] <bumzo> ooh ... ok was wondering WTF : genii lol
[10:11] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i'll keep that in mind
[10:12] <genii> bumzo it looks like some paste from inside the nano program? I thought you got some error when you unmounted a cdrom
[10:13] <bumzo> no no .. when i installed the new cd writer
[10:13] <bumzo> genii:
[10:14] <genii> bumzo Please explain in a more clear way
[10:15] <KiPSeRoN> !harden
[10:15] <ubotu> harden: Makes your system hardened. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.1.22 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 52 kB
[10:15] <genii> bumzo If the mount command is giving some error and the /etc/fstab file you pasted is what it has in it right now, you need to make lines 13 and 14 one long line
[10:16] <genii> bumzo eg: not
[10:16] <genii> /dev/hda5 /media/h
[10:16] <genii> da5 vfat rw,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0
[10:16] <genii> but:
[10:16] <genii> /dev/hda5 /media/hda5 vfat rw,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0
[10:16] <genii> Sorry for multiline but neccesary for clarity
[10:17] <KiPSeRoN> !crack
[10:17] <ubotu> crack: Password guessing program. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.0a-9 (edgy), package size 26 kB, installed size 172 kB
[10:17] <genii> !jacktheripper
[10:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jacktheripper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <genii> hmm
[10:17] <bentob0x> we're using NFS between two machines here and everyday it's a new port we need to use when mounting the apache htdocs onto the second machine, anybody knows a workaround to avoid opening a new port in the firewall everyday?
[10:19] <beta>  genii: what is the *"" for?
[10:19] <beta> "*"
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: check this out....
[10:19] <uros> hi all. trying to install a program with cmake and get error: "MESSAGE Qt qmake not found!"
[10:20] <genii> beta * is a "wildcard" when you put * in a command in place of a filename it means ALL filenames
[10:20] <uros> am i missing any packages or should i set some additional arguemnets with cmake?
[10:20] <genii> beta If you put something like instead ab?cd    the ? would cover all files from ab0cd to abzcd
[10:21] <beta> got it!
[10:21] <genii> beta if you put somebeginning*  then all files matching the filname somebeginning with any ending would match
[10:22] <beta> ok working
[10:22] <beta> thx dude
[10:22] <genii> beta Glad to assist
[10:23] <beta> ok, lets see how this works in action... ;)
[10:23] <beta> dau on the loose
[10:23] <beta> later
[10:23] <genii> bumzo I need to do some actual work here in the office. Is everything OK?
[10:24] <genii> hmm looks like he went somewhere
[10:25] <gravygoat> /
[10:26] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: http://katapult.kde.org/wiki/Main_Page#Links
[10:26] <Admiral_Chicago> working on that now
[10:26] <Admiral_Chicago> bed now
[10:29] <bumzo> genii :
[10:29] <bumzo> genii: u thee
[10:30] <PsychoChicken> hello, I have the following problem: java plugin works only in firefox and not konqueror.
[10:30] <PsychoChicken> I have sun-java5-plugin installed and there's a /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[10:31] <PsychoChicken> only firefox picks up the plugin
[10:31] <bumzo> genii: u thee?
[10:31] <genii> bumzo Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of windoze I shall fear no evil.... Well, yes, I am around for a moment or two longer
[10:31] <bumzo> genii: lol, i saw that coming
[10:32] <bumzo> genii: ok quick one i have mounted my cd rewritable
[10:32] <bumzo> genii: i mean installed it ... my cd writer
[10:33] <genii> bumzo Good :) Hopefully I can gracefully slip into the shadows here then and go do my real job  ROFL
[10:33] <bumzo> genii: went thru the usual drill its visible in bios. but this time i put it in ide2 and its a primary now
[10:33] <bumzo> genii: from fstab ... i get this /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,auto     0       0
[10:33] <bumzo> genii: meaning its there
[10:34] <bumzo> genii: lol ...n wahts ur real job
[10:34] <genii> bumzo A sysadmin
[10:34] <bumzo> genii: cooool
[10:34] <bumzo> genii: so how do i get to my cd-rw?
[10:35] <genii> bumzo If it is master on other ribbon now, change /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,auto 0 0      to:  /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,auto 0 0
[10:37] <genii> bumzo The file fstab does not show the things that are mounted. Only the possible things you can mount. To see what is mounted , type in konsole:   sudo mount
[10:37] <genii> bumzo If you see some device mounted there with is09660 or udf filesystem and you have a cd or dvd in the drive, then it is working
[10:37] <_4strO> yop yop all
[10:40] <genii> And to preempt nitpickers and for clarification: /etc/fstab shows the operating system how to mount certain devices, which filesystems to try  and so on. It is not strictly a list of possible things you can mount in the larger sense since you can have partitions which appear in /dev as something but do not appear in the /etc/fstab file
[10:42] <genii> bumzo If after you have changed hdb to hdc in the /etc/fstab file and no joy, try hdc1
[10:42] <uros> hi all - googling about my installation problems - found "You have to have qmake in your $PATH" - how do i do this?
[10:43] <bumzo> genii: yes and i did 'sudo mount -a'
[10:43] <cpk1> fstab is what should get automounted
[10:43] <bumzo> but nothing
[10:44] <CarinArr> uros: do you have qt installed?
[10:45] <uros> carinarr: yes, but on cmake i get "MESSAGE Qt qmake not found!"
[10:45] <CarinArr> what does "which qmake" give you
[10:45] <bumzo> genii: device /dev/hdc1 does not exist
[10:46] <cpk1> bumzo: if its a cdrom then you dont specify a partition
[10:46] <genii> bumzo OK, so back to hdc then.
[10:46] <cpk1> it would just be /dev/hdc
[10:46] <uros> carinarr: /usr/bin/qmake
[10:47] <CarinArr> are you trying to install cmake or use cmake
[10:47] <genii> bumzo Then do the : sudo mount -a again. then in konqueror try to go to the dir /media/cdrom0
[10:47] <uros> carinarr: use cmake
[10:47] <CarinArr> uros: what version of qt do you have installed?
[10:48] <uros> carinarr: 4.2
[10:48] <bumzo> genii:
[10:48] <bumzo> bumzo@Bumzo:~$ sudo mount -a
[10:48] <bumzo> mount: No medium found
[10:48] <bumzo> mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[10:49] <CarinArr> uros: i don't use cmake but i've heard that the one in repositories don't like qt 4
[10:49] <uros> carinarr: tnx. will try to compile a newer one
[10:49] <CarinArr> uros: i suppose you can try installing qt3, updating your altenatives so it uses qt3 vrsion of qmake and see if that works
[10:49] <CarinArr> unless you need to use qt4
[10:49] <genii> bumzo So put in a cd
[10:49] <genii> bumzo the sda1 is for usb drive, ignore it
[10:50] <uros> carinarr: need qt4 (http://kboard.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Installation)
[10:51] <CarinArr> uros: might be worth trying to compile it then.. a colleague of mie needed to use cmake on my machine a couple of months back, and he was doing a manual installation of cmake because he needed to use t with qt4, that's all i know;)
[10:52] <genii> bumzo If the drive tray will not eject to put a cdrom in, type in:  sudo umount /media/cdrom0 && sudo eject /media/cdrom0        then stick in a cd, close the tray and then put: sudo mount -a    again then go in konqueror to /media/cdrom0
[10:54] <genii> Damn outta coffee again
[10:55] <CarinArr> hate when that happens
[10:56] <CarinArr> i just made a latte and realised i hadn't wiped the washing up liquid off the steam nozzle properly when i washedit
[10:56] <genii> bleh
[10:56] <CarinArr> wasn't very nice:/
[10:56] <genii> soapy coffee
[10:57] <genii> CarinArr: Last week my roomie poured her watered down strawberry smelling shampoo into a glass and I drank some by accident thinking it was my glass of koolaid
[10:59] <CarinArr> ew haha
[11:00] <CarinArr> i haven't been very lucky with washing up liquid lately actually.. i was cooking the other day, was carrying a plate with gravy on it and thought i'd spilt some on my finger, so i just put it in my mouth and somehow i'd managed to dip my finger into some washing up liquid
[11:00] <CarinArr> it's vile
[11:01] <genii> Yes
[11:01] <CarinArr> and the taste stays like forever
[11:01] <genii> At least it won't kill you :)
[11:01] <waylandbill> genii: not in small doses anyway.
[11:02] <genii> waylandbill: Well even water will kill you in large doses :)
[11:02] <waylandbill> CarinArr: wheel mouse near edge of desktop maybe?
[11:02] <waylandbill> genii: this is true.
[11:02] <CarinArr> no.. cursor right in centre of screen
[11:02] <CarinArr> and just sat typing
[11:02] <pappy_> hi i have a question. next to the trash bin there is an icon of earth (i think) and when i right clicl it says New server. Does anyone has any idea what this is and how i can get rid of it?
[11:02] <waylandbill> CarinArr: bad luck then. :-)
[11:03] <CarinArr> at least this one isn't crashing on me every couple of seconds
[11:03] <waylandbill> pappy_: that is a personal file server. Right click it and remove the applet
[11:03] <unix_infidel> on air
[11:03] <Jucato> s/personal/public
[11:03] <pappy_> wow that was is thx. btw what is this thing ?
[11:03] <waylandbill> Jucato: thanks.
[11:04] <pappy_> easy
[11:04] <genii> bumzo Getting anywhere?
[11:04] <waylandbill> pappy_: a small lightweight webserver.
[11:04] <pappy_> oh ok thx
[11:04] <Jucato> genii: bumzo's gone..
[11:05] <ubuntu__> gra ktos w pingla??
[11:05] <ubuntu__> ;>
[11:05] <waylandbill> here I thought I'd come back to feisty installed. It was waiting for me to decide to replace the blacklist or not. :-/
[11:05] <Jucato> !pl | ubuntu__
[11:05] <ubuntu__> Hello Ziomy!
[11:05] <ubuntu_> genii: could you sapre me another minute ;)
[11:05] <ubotu> ubuntu__: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[11:05] <ubuntu__> Hello Wordl?
[11:05] <genii> ubuntu_ bumzo ?
[11:06] <ubuntu__> bumzo
[11:06] <beta> genii: mounted and ran rm, some files still remained though
[11:06] <ubuntu__> OWN3D
[11:06] <beta> do i need to mount it with rw or something?
[11:06] <ubuntu__> I too
[11:06] <Jucato> ubuntu__: please stop spamming nonsense. if you need something, please ask
[11:07] <genii> geez change your nick from ubuntu to something else if you want me to help you
[11:07] <genii> too many _ and __  and ___ etc etc
[11:07] <ubuntu__> Sorry, I'm not spamming. I'm flooding
[11:07] <ubuntu__> :P
[11:07] <ubuntu__> ko[ikj
[11:07] <Jucato> ubuntu__: then stop flooding
[11:07] <ubuntu__> ok
[11:07] <genii> beta beta Nah you shouldn't need that
[11:07] <beta> genii: crap
[11:07] <pappy_> i haver another question about Kooka. can somenone help?
[11:08] <ubuntu__> have we got any noob here??
[11:08] <ubuntu__> ;)
[11:08] <pappy_> me
[11:08] <genii> beta remember in command line there is no trash bin
[11:08] <pappy_> me noob u jane?
[11:08] <ubuntu__> xd
[11:08] <ubuntu__> *xD
[11:09] <beta> hm hey now at least i now that updating really was the reason to mess up my system...all my dapper apps looked like the edgy ones here on the live cd ;)
[11:09] <beta> i know
[11:09] <beta> genii: hm, no im lookind at the folder im trying tu purge
[11:09] <ubuntu__> lp
[11:09] <beta> still there are a bunch of config files and whatnot
[11:10] <ubuntu__> Linkin Park is the best.
[11:10] <Jucato> ubuntu__: if you have a Kubuntu support question, ask. don't spam/flood the channel with nonsense and offtopic chatter
[11:10] <beta> 19 to be exact
[11:11] <beta> genii: so your clueless at this point to i suppose?
[11:11] <ubuntu__> i can't configure my IRC
[11:11] <genii> beta Ah yeah I forgot, for files starting with a period you need to specify a period to delete them eg: rm * will not remove them you need rm .*
[11:11] <ubuntu__>  i can't configure my IRC
[11:11] <ubuntu__> *IRC Client
[11:11] <beta> wosie cool
[11:11] <beta> +w
[11:11] <beta> one mom.
[11:11] <nomad111> hey all, wat is the kubuntu equivalent of microsoft visio
[11:12] <Jucato> nomad111: kivio or dia
[11:12] <genii> kvisio ?
[11:12] <ubuntu__> Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu?
[11:12] <genii> Jucato Yeah I think thats the right spelling kivio
[11:12] <cpk1> beta: also rm by itself wont delete non-empty directories
[11:12] <ubuntu__> Who is better?
[11:12] <nomad111> Jucato: cool thx
[11:12] <beta> ok working
[11:12] <ubuntu__> cool, beta ;)
[11:12] <beta> thx again
[11:13] <beta> id be lost without this channel
[11:13] <genii> bleh testing: *aa   * **aa
[11:13] <Jucato> ubuntu__: what are you trying to configure
[11:13] <genii> bleh testing /*aa
[11:13] <ubuntu__> My Client IRC - Konversation
[11:13] <beta> bleh testing?
[11:13] <Jucato> ubuntu__: what about it?
[11:13] <beta> i better dont even try to rm multiple folders at once
[11:14] <genii> beta I always forget about special chars like * # and so on in channels and how to escape them LOL
[11:14] <ubuntu__> i can't join any other channel, so sorry men ;/
[11:14] <waylandbill> ubuntu__: just use the join command.
[11:15] <Jucato> ubuntu__: /join #channel or File -> Join Channel
[11:15] <beta> genii: oh ic
[11:16] <ubuntu__> thx, #Polska  (Poland) is the Best!!
[11:16] <Jucato> !pl | ubuntu__
[11:16] <ubotu> ubuntu__: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[11:18] <genii> OK, see everyone later
[11:18] <ubuntu__> I want Channel Operator
[11:19] <ubuntu__> ;fdes
[11:19] <ubuntu__> fdsedf
[11:19] <ubuntu__> fd
[11:19] <ubuntu__> dsfa
[11:19] <ubuntu__> asdf
[11:19] <ubuntu__> sf
[11:19] <ubuntu__> a
[11:19] <ubuntu__> SD
[11:20] <ubuntu__> af
[11:20] <ubuntu__> a
[11:20] <ubuntu__> s
[11:20] <ubuntu__> d
[11:21] <beta> ok time to install finally
[11:22] <beta> will be back shouldnt i be able to fit the install cd into the floppy drive
[11:22] <utnubuk> jucato: you get paid to watch this channel or something?
[11:22] <Jucato> utnubuk: I'd be a millionaire if I were... :)
[11:22] <Jucato> nope. this is all pro bono
[11:23] <utnubuk> jucato: cool.
[11:24] <waylandbill> Jucato: you'd give gates a run for his money if that were the case. :-)
[11:30] <Jucato> waylandbill: I'd be more deserving of the money though :)
[11:30] <Jucato> lol
[11:32] <naamuis> what i can use to instead of Alsa
[11:32] <Tm_T> Jucato: btw why you don't get paid?
[11:33] <Tm_T> Jucato: pleasure of kickbanning is not considered as payment there?
[11:33] <Jucato> no... it hurts me deep inside when I have to kickban someone... :(
[11:33] <naamuis> please tell me, what i can use to instead of Alsa
[11:34] <Tm_T> !fi | naamuis
[11:34] <ubotu> naamuis: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[11:36] <waylandbill> Jucato: if they cared, you would get to the point of kickbanning.
[11:37] <waylandbill> *wouldn't
[11:37] <Jucato> :)
[11:38] <Tm_T> naamuis: also I haven't noticed any problem with alsa, mind to enlighten me?
[11:39] <naamuis> i just can make Stepmania work with alsa
[11:39] <naamuis> :D
[11:41] <naamuis> could OSS be answer to me?
[11:43] <Tm_T> naamuis: IF (as I assume) you can write fluent finnish, head to finnish channels (prolly get help much easier in this case)
[11:46] <naamuis> there is no one @ finnish channels
[11:46] <Tm_T> there is
[11:46] <Tm_T> !fi
[11:46] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[11:46] <Tm_T> #ubuntu-fi: Total of 75 nicks
[11:47] <Tm_T> #kubuntu-fi: Total of 24 nicks
[11:47] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:48] <naamuis> :P
[11:49] <Tm_T> so it's up to you to come to right channels ;-P
[11:50] <Contrast83> What's up, everyone?
[11:50] <Tm_T> Jucato: hide!
[11:51] <mrigns__> dont walk into the light!
[11:51] <Contrast83> Are there any users of kxMAME or KAMEFU?
[11:51] <Jucato> I can't walk *up* into the light...
[11:52] <Contrast83> *in here?
[11:52] <Contrast83> Heh.
[11:52] <mrigns__> just use your imagination boy
[11:52] <mrigns__> Contrast83: use /whois <name>
[11:53] <Contrast83> Umm... -_~ What for?
[11:54] <mrigns__> *nocomment*
[11:54] <mrigns__> that was a joke
[11:54] <Contrast83> Ohh. Sorry, it's early here. :-D
[11:54] <Tm_T> Jucato: your latest ban is pretty, well, wide?
[11:55] <mrigns__> ^^
[11:55] <Tm_T> oh, it's not
[11:55] <Jucato> Tm_T: if you've noticed I have removed it already
[11:55] <Jucato> I do realize my error
[11:55] <Tm_T> I didn't notice, I'm blind :(
[11:56] <Tm_T> Jucato: mind to remove my latest when you're at it
[11:56] <Tm_T> bah
[11:56] <Contrast83> Hrmmm... Any users of any game system emulators at all in here?
[11:57] <mrigns__> i got a mame emulator on my xbox ;P
[11:58] <emonkey-p> Contrast83, only wine (Warcraft 3)
[11:58] <emonkey-p> so not really
[11:58] <mrigns__> wine is a wrapper not an emulator
[11:59] <emonkey-p> mrigns__, ack
[12:00] <Contrast83> emonkey-p: Thanks anyway.
[12:04] <mrigns> !de
[12:04] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:12] <exence> kubuntufr
[12:13] <emonkey-p> !fr
[12:13] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:23] <jeanm> hi all
[12:24] <jeanm> i can not login in kde
[12:24] <jeanm> i can login in console
[12:24] <Jucato> jeanm: can you check if you have enough disk space left? "df -h"
[12:24] <Jucato> er.. sorry...
[12:24] <Jucato> jeanm: are you able to get to the login screen?
[12:25] <Jucato> or you can't at all?
[12:25] <jeanm> when i type kdesktop i receive: "ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Cant determine DISPLAY. Aborting.
[12:25] <jeanm> i receive kdm
[12:25] <Jucato> no you don't run kdesktop directly
[12:25] <jeanm> but can not login
[12:25] <Jucato> when you try to login, it goes back to the login screen?
[12:25] <jeanm> my hdd ias 100% used
[12:25] <apokryphos> jeanm: what card?
[12:25] <jeanm> yes
[12:26] <jeanm> nvidia
[12:26] <Contrast83> Anyone have any idea why KSysGuard always says there's a lot less free memory than any other system monitors I've used?
[12:26] <apokryphos> jeanm: are the nvidia drivers installed?
[12:26] <Jucato> apokryphos: nothing to do w/ the video card
[12:26] <jeanm> yes and work
[12:26] <Jucato>  <jeanm> my hdd ias 100% used
[12:26] <Jucato> jeanm: ok try this in the command line: "sudo apt-get clean" then check your disk space again
[12:26] <apokryphos> hm, that error sounds like it's about the card though
[12:27] <Jucato> apokryphos: it's because he/she was trying to run kdesktop directly/standalone
[12:27] <jeanm> disk still used
[12:27] <apokryphos> why? :O
[12:27] <apokryphos> jeanm: clear out your disk a little, then. Delete some stuff
[12:27] <Jucato> jeanm: the line with / is still 100%?
[12:27] <jeanm> i have my ipod plugged
[12:28] <jeanm> yes Jucato
[12:28] <jeanm> i d like to transfer some files on the ipod
[12:28] <apokryphos> jeanm: is your /home and / on a separate partition?
[12:29] <apokryphos> jeanm: it's probably mounted under some directory in /media. See if it's there; if not, you'll have to manually mount it and then transfer files.
[12:29] <jeanm> no they are not
[12:29] <apokryphos> Jucato: if /home is on the same partition then it's you know what ;)
[12:29] <apokryphos> :O
[12:29] <apokryphos> jeanm: how big is the disk?
[12:29] <jeanm> 19gb only
[12:29] <apokryphos> the / partition, right?
[12:29] <jeanm> how can i know if my ipod is mounted?
[12:30] <jeanm> yes the / part
[12:30] <jeanm> thx Jucato
[12:30] <apokryphos> that is _more_ than enough. Do you manually move files there?
[12:30] <jeanm> bon appetit
[12:30] <apokryphos> to mount your ipod, first: ls /dev/sd*
[12:31] <jeanm> to remove, i use rm?
[12:31] <jeanm> to remove a folder
[12:31] <apokryphos> rm -rf, yes. Use carefully.
[12:32] <pappy_> hi all i'm trying to install nexuiz but adept manager reports BREAK. What does this mean?
[12:34] <jeanm> i type 'df -h
[12:35] <shiva> hi
[12:35] <jeanm> and now: Size 19g Used 18gb Use 100%
[12:35] <jeanm> whats wrong?
[12:36] <jeanm> 1gb should be available
[12:36] <apokryphos> jeanm: your computer normally reserves a small extra part of your disk so that root can still get in, on the occassion that your disk fills up
[12:37] <frojnd> why my sharing got broken when I System Settings -> Sharing -> Administrator mode ??
[12:37] <jeanm> i removed a big folder of music
[12:37] <frojnd>  I can't enabled sharing :s
[12:37] <jeanm> 1gb should be free now
[12:37] <jeanm> it still says 100% used
[12:37] <apokryphos> jeanm: remove some other stuff or transfer it to your ipod
[12:38] <jeanm> how can i transfer to mu ipod?
[12:39] <apokryphos> jeanm: first mount it. Show me the output of ls /dev/sd*
[12:40] <DeMolay> frojnd: did you installed samba?
[12:40] <jeanm> it says /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2
[12:40] <DeMolay> *install
[12:42] <apokryphos> jeanm: ok, try: sudo mkdir /media/ipod && sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/ipod
[12:43] <jeanm> to remove a folder would be: rm -rf /home/jean-b/Music/Albums/whatever
[12:43] <jeanm> right?
[12:44] <apokryphos> jeanm: yes
[12:44] <jeanm> it doesnt work
[12:44] <jeanm> the folder is not deleted
[12:45] <Contrast83> jeanm: Try rm -r
[12:45] <jeanm> i am rebooting to check if i can login now
[12:45] <jeanm> i deleted 1gb
[12:45] <jeanm> ok Contrart
[12:45] <fsafasfasf> http://taleworld.sytes.net Join Please
[12:46] <fsafasfasf> http://taleworld.sytes.net Join Please
[12:46] <apokryphos> jeanm: what's the error you get?
[12:46] <jeanm> when i type kdesktop i receive: "ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Cant determine DISPLAY. Aborting.
[12:46] <apokryphos> why are you typing kdesktop? :/
[12:46] <apokryphos> jeanm: you have to make more space
[12:46] <jeanm> startx is better?
[12:46] <jeanm> 1gb free is not enough?
[12:47] <apokryphos> it's complicated; but at the moment, no.
[12:47] <jeanm> i'll keep on deleting
[12:48] <jeanm> but this command do not work with space in folders name rm -rf /home/jean-b/Music/Albums/what ever with spaces
[12:48] <apokryphos> jeanm: you have to use quotes to escape spaces
[12:48] <jeanm> i am in kdm
[12:48] <apokryphos> so: rm -rf "/home/jean-b/something/Something Else"
[12:49] <jeanm> ok
[12:49] <jeanm> i have just try to log in kdm doesnt work
[12:49] <jeanm> going back to console
[12:49] <apokryphos> clear enough space and things should be ok
[12:50] <apokryphos> also, evidently your /home and your / are NOT on separate partitions if you're deleting stuff in /home to clear it out....
[12:50] <jeanm> i dont understand your last sentences
[12:51] <jeanm> what is the command do check disk again?
[12:54] <apokryphos> jeanm: df -h
[12:54] <jeanm> use 92%
[12:54] <jeanm> ok
[12:54] <apokryphos> cool
[12:54] <jeanm> i could try now
[12:54] <apokryphos> jeanm: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[12:54] <tempsanity> can anybody help me with changing locales in kubuntu feisty?
[12:54] <tempsanity> because i cant run XFCE
[12:55] <apokryphos> !locales
[12:55] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[12:55] <tempsanity> thanks
[12:55] <ZeroSystem> hello, i installed kububtu on a seperate hd but when i want to boot it grub says cannot "Error 17: mount selected partition"
[12:55] <jeanm> i am in desktop
[12:55] <jeanm> with a console win
[12:56] <jeanm> nothing else though
[12:56] <jeanm> i am rebooting
[12:57] <jeanm> what is the criticual disk use no to reach?
[12:57] <jeanm> 95%
[12:57] <apokryphos> jeanm: by default, I believe that's it, yes.
[12:58] <jeanm> apokryphos: its not wokring good
[12:58] <jeanm> the kde bar is not here
[12:58] <jeanm> my wallpaper is not here
[12:59] <jeanm> its not like usual
[12:59] <jeanm> and i have rebooted
[01:00] <apokryphos> jeanm: alt+f2 -> kicker
[01:00] <apokryphos> jeanm: did you do that command?
[01:00] <jeanm> what command?
[01:01] <jeanm> alt+f2 -> no results
[01:02] <jeanm> ??
[01:02] <Jucato> jeanm: nothing happens when you press Alt+F2?
[01:02] <jeanm> no
[01:03] <naamuis> !groups
[01:03] <naamuis> !group
[01:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about groups - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about group - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:03] <Jucato> hm... kdesktop doesn't seem to be runing...
[01:03] <pappy_> hi i try to install nexzuis and the apt manger syas that is broken or somerthing like that. do you know what this is?
[01:03] <[pyro] > !orgies
[01:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about orgies - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:03] <jeanm> should i type kdesktop ?
[01:04] <Jucato> jeanm: type it where?
[01:04] <jeanm> i am not in console anymore
[01:04] <jeanm> i am in a windowed console
[01:04] <Jucato> how did you get that windowed console?
[01:04] <jeanm> that comes up when i login in kdm
[01:04] <jeanm> it just comes
[01:04] <jeanm> by default
[01:04] <Jucato> O.O
[01:05] <jeanm> right after login in by kdm
[01:05] <Jucato> are there window borders around that console?
[01:05] <jeanm> no
[01:05] <Jucato> do you only have a gray background?
[01:06] <jeanm> i have the same background as the default background of kdm
[01:06] <kubuntu> harlo
[01:06] <Jucato> ah so you have a wallpaper... hm...
[01:07] <jeanm> but it is not my regular wallpaper
[01:07] <jeanm> its like kde was reseted
[01:07] <jeanm> without kicker
[01:07] <apokryphos> jeanm: do this on the command line, and then relogin (as user): mv ~/.kde{,_old}
[01:07] <jeanm> and no windows borders
[01:08] <pappy_> hi all. can somenone answer a question plz?
[01:08] <jeanm> how do i log out?
[01:08] <apokryphos> !ask
[01:08] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:08] <apokryphos> jeanm: just hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:08] <jeanm> did not work
[01:09] <jeanm> i login in
[01:09] <apokryphos> did you do that command?
[01:09] <pappy_> ok. i'm tring to install nexzuiz ( game) but adept manager reports BREAk something and doesn't install it. Do you know what is this?
[01:09] <apokryphos> _exatly_ as I wrote it?
[01:09] <jeanm> and have default background, no kicker, no win borders
[01:09] <jeanm> yeah i idid
[01:09] <apokryphos> jeanm: give me the output of ls -a ~/.kde*
[01:10] <jeanm> space between mv and ~?
[01:10] <apokryphos> yes of course
[01:10] <Jucato> ugh... gtg again...
[01:10] <jeanm> i typed it correctly then
[01:10] <apokryphos> otherwise you'll get an error
[01:10] <apokryphos> jeanm: give me the output of ls -a ~/.kde*
[01:10] <Jucato> :(
[01:11] <jeanm> . .. Autostart cache-JUPITER .kde share socket-JUPITER tmp-JUPITER
[01:12] <apokryphos> jeanm: argh, sorry, I meant: ls -a ~|grep .kde
[01:13] <jeanm> .kde_old
[01:13] <jeanm> .kderc
[01:13] <ZeroSystem> I installed grub on hd1 i dont know why its not booting the os ?
[01:13] <apokryphos> and _no_ ~/.kde? Are you sure you relogged in?
[01:13] <jeanm> no
[01:13] <jeanm> yes
[01:13] <apokryphos> your system seems borked :/. Does your hardisk have enough space? df -h ?
[01:14] <jeanm> 1.5gb avail
[01:14] <jeanm> 92% used
[01:14] <apokryphos> weird :/
[01:14] <jeanm> if i log in with a new user
[01:14] <apokryphos> jeanm: ok, finally, try creating a new user and then logging in with them
[01:14] <apokryphos> yes
[01:14] <jeanm> can i access my documents of the first user?
[01:14] <apokryphos> yes
[01:15] <jeanm> how can i create a new user?
[01:16] <apokryphos> jeanm: sudo useradd someName && sudo mkdir /home/someName
[01:16] <apokryphos> oh, and sudo chown someName:someName /home/someName
[01:16] <apokryphos> someName has to be the exact _same_ in all occurrences
[01:17] <basniowysmok> hi
[01:18] <tempsanity> how do i add something to autostart in kde?
[01:18] <tempsanity> i have ~/.kde/Autostart
[01:18] <tempsanity> but dont know what to do
[01:18] <tempsanity> symlink?
[01:18] <apokryphos> !autostart
[01:18] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[01:18] <tempsanity> :P
[01:18] <apokryphos> yes, a symlink would work
[01:18] <jeanm> done
[01:18] <jeanm> i am in kdm
[01:18] <tempsanity> thanksa lot apokryphos
[01:19] <apokryphos> jeanm: now log in as that user
[01:19] <apokryphos> tempsanity: np
[01:19] <jeanm> what is his password?
[01:19] <apokryphos> ah yes, you have to set that, sorry
[01:19] <apokryphos> on the command line: sudo passwd someName
[01:19] <jeanm> it's driving me crazy
[01:20] <jeanm> i wish i have not lost my data
[01:20] <apokryphos> you haven't
[01:21] <jeanm> excelent!
[01:21] <jeanm> it seems to work
[01:21] <jeanm> i see the kubuntu loader!!
[01:21] <jeanm> thanx mate!!
[01:21] <jeanm> yeahhhhh
[01:21] <jeanm> it looks normal!!
[01:21] <tempsanity> :)
[01:22] <apokryphos> interesting
[01:22] <DeMolay> !broken
[01:22] <jeanm> how can i recover my data now?
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broken - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <DeMolay> !break
[01:22] <apokryphos> jeanm: your data is in /home/yourusername
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about break - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <jeanm> how can i acces it in konqueror?
[01:23] <apokryphos> go to /home/yourusername in konqueror ;-)
[01:23] <jeanm> perfect!
[01:23] <jeanm> how is it it do no ask for password?
[01:23] <apokryphos> because you're on the same system, and hence share a group
[01:23] <jeanm> i had some folders on desktop of 1st user
[01:23] <jeanm> it seems locked
[01:24] <jeanm> no permissions
[01:25] <apokryphos> jeanm: ok, then just alt+f2 -> kdesu konqueror
[01:25] <apokryphos> and copy them over like that
[01:25] <apokryphos> after you copy them to your new folder though you will want to change the ownership of those files
[01:25] <apokryphos> just select them, right-click -> properties -> permissions, and set as your user
[01:26] <jeanm> thanx
[01:27] <pappy_> Hi everytime i try to install something adept says BREAK (install). o you know what this means?
[01:27] <DeMolay> pappy_: I know what it means but not how to solve
[01:27] <pappy_> ?
[01:27] <jeanm> man i forgot the pass of the user i just created
[01:27] <jeanm> how can i create a new user
[01:27] <jeanm> ?
[01:28] <DeMolay> means that a packet depends  on another you cannot install
[01:28] <DeMolay> but i dont know how to fix
[01:28] <pappy_> why i cannot installed? it's just a game
[01:28] <jeanm> no it not thqt
[01:28] <apokryphos> jeanm: set the password for that user again: sudo passwd newName
[01:28] <jeanm> i know the password
[01:29] <apokryphos> then?
[01:29] <DeMolay> you try to install nexuiz that needs nexuiz-data, but it is not going to be installed
[01:29] <_4strO> jeanm: useradd or adduser ( --help 4 options)
[01:29] <jeanm> but kdesu do not accept it because its not an admin user
[01:29] <DeMolay> I said i understand why but not how to solve
[01:29] <pappy_> ok thx
[01:29] <apokryphos> ahh
[01:30] <apokryphos> jeanm: su oldUser, then: sudo useradd newUser admin
[01:30] <pappy_> the fynny thing is that it says the same for another 3d game
[01:31] <jeanm> you mean log in to old user
[01:31] <jeanm> and then sudo useradd newuser admin?
[01:31] <supernix> Hiya
[01:31] <apokryphos> jeanm: no, just do those two commands I said
[01:31] <supernix> I wanted to give some feedback on the 6.10
[01:32] <supernix> I just downloaded it yesterday then tried viewing the partition using qparted while running in live dvd mode and it kept giving some error cant recall what it was though
[01:33] <supernix> even when I choose the install option I get the same error obviously because it uses qparted as well
[01:33] <jeanm> no more batteries
[01:33] <jeanm> brb
[01:34] <frojnd> hello guys
[01:34] <jeanm> see you
[01:34] <frojnd> I am thinking on getting on feisty
[01:34] <frojnd> how can I do that?
[01:34] <frojnd> and what errors can I expect?
[01:34] <frojnd> couse I defenatly don't wanna resinstall all the programs and settings..
[01:34] <supernix> frojnd I would stick with the 6.06 lts
[01:34] <frojnd> supermix: why
[01:35] <frojnd> supermix: I am on 6.10 ->edgy
[01:35] <JohnFlux_> Contrast83: hey
[01:35] <supernix> I just tried feisty and got a error about the program qparted
[01:35] <JohnFlux_> Contrast83: how do you measure the amount of free memory?
[01:35] <supernix> I use XP and Kubuntu multi boot
[01:35] <JohnFlux_> Contrast83: (I'm the ksysguard maintainer)
[01:35] <Jucato> supernix: you do know that feisty will just reach beta this weekend
[01:35] <supernix> Nah didn't know that honestly
[01:35] <Jucato> so things breaking in feisty at this point is the rule, not the exception
[01:35] <frojnd> Jucato: maybe u know how can I upgrade to feisty?
[01:35] <supernix> So would fiesty be a alpha release or something ?
[01:36] <naamuis> what can i do when wine "whines" about dx9?
[01:36] <Jucato> supernix: for now, yes. the Herd releases are Alpha releases
[01:36] <supernix> oic ok
[01:36] <Jucato> frojnd: yes. wait for it to be officially released on April, and you will be able to download a new dist-upgrade tool that will let you upgrade to feisty
[01:37] <supernix> hmmm wish I would have known I try to avoid alpha releases and just use the stable ones
[01:37] <supernix> can't wait till they release it though it looked so great
[01:38] <Jucato> at this point, unless you have absolute need of something that's on feisty or if you're very generously volunteering to help test it, there's no point in upgrading to feisty
[01:38] <supernix> Does Kubuntu work better with ATI or Nvidia cards ?
[01:38] <Jucato> supernix: how did you come to know about feisty in the first place?
[01:38] <supernix> I downloaded the dvd off the torrent
[01:39] <supernix> listed on the kubuntu site of course
[01:39] <supernix> it took around 20 hours
[01:40] <Jucato> and I'm sure you read the announcement pages describing the Herd releases, right?
[01:40] <supernix> I did some seeding afterwards for a while to but I stopped after 4 hours so as not to piss the isp off
[01:40] <supernix> Nah
[01:40] <supernix> not really
[01:40] <Jucato> "NOTE: This is an alpha (pre-) release. Pre-release version of Feisty are NOT encouraged for anyone needing a stable system or for anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even frequent, breakage. Pre-release versions of Feisty ARE recommended for Kubuntu developers and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
[01:40] <Jucato> well, next time... :)
[01:40] <supernix> :D
[01:41] <supernix> I love new software
[01:41] <supernix> it is like that new car feeling all over again until something breaks that is
[01:42] <Owean> what is the ubuntu repo that includes the latest mplayer?
[01:42] <Owean> what is the ubuntu repo that includes the latest mplayer?
[01:42] <stdin> Owean: multiverse
[01:42] <Owean> sorry, i sent "what is the ubuntu repo that includes the latest mplayer?" by accident
[01:43] <supernix> I dont understand why I have not seen any Kubuntu books out
[01:43] <Owean> stdin: that is not the *latest* mplayer, but the one-year-ago's mplayer. i am on dapper and i need to cling to it.
[01:43] <supernix> I bought the Ubuntu official book the day it came out though
[01:43] <stdin> Owean: try the backports multiverse one
[01:44] <Owean> stdin: oh, ok
[01:44] <supernix> Does anyone know if it would be possible to use a printer connected to kubuntu across a wan?
[01:44] <naamuis> what can i do when wine "whines" about dx9?
[01:45] <mastermind> can anyone tell me how to get a download meter in kubuntu???
[01:45] <mastermind> do we have a software for it...???
[01:45] <Owean> mastermind: yes we do
[01:46] <Jucato> mastermind: I believe I already mention knetstats and knemo before
[01:46] <Contrast83> JohnFlux_: Are you still in here?
[01:46] <JohnFlux_> Contrast83: yep
[01:47] <mastermind> sorry jucato,after an long search i was not able ti get that..if u could tell me the exat procedure to download it..the it be fine.
[01:47] <Contrast83> When you asked how do I measure the amount of free memory, did you mean which system monitors do I use, or what am I looking as in KSysGuard to determine the amount of free memory?
[01:47] <Jucato> mastermind: sudo apt-get install knetstats
[01:47] <JohnFlux_> Contrast83: both I guess ;-)
[01:47] <angela_> naamuis: have you tried asking in #winehq ?
[01:47] <stdin> mastermind: if you have universe enabled
[01:48] <o_shannon> hi folks. any1 know fceu nes emulator who can help me configuring it?
[01:48] <irka> sal
[01:49] <epimeth> ahoy folks!
[01:49] <irka> nnjnjnn
[01:49] <mastermind> stdin...where could i find the universe,,
[01:49] <stdin> o_shannon: never used it, but I bet there is some help on the project home page: http://fceultra.sourceforge.net/
[01:49] <stdin> !repos | mastermind
[01:49] <ubotu> mastermind: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:50] <o_shannon> thx stdin
[01:50] <epimeth> mastermind: look outside the window for a change!!! ahahahaha
[01:50] <stdin> mastermind: that link will tell you :)
[01:50] <epimeth> stdin... what up amigo?
[01:51] <Contrast83> JohnFlux_: I've used several SuperKaramba monitors, and am currently using the Compiz Screenlets monitor. They all show the same amounts. In KSysGuard, I look at the part of the status bar that says "Memory:".
[01:51] <stdin> epimeth: just the sky, and my spam count :P
[01:51] <epimeth> stdin: meh... what else is new?
[01:51] <mastermind> thank u stdin.
[01:52] <stdin> epimeth: I making a wiki on my box, so I don't keep forgetting things, it's going well
[01:52] <stdin> epimeth: even got a nice domain for it
[01:53] <epimeth> stdin: oh yea!  how did that install go?  I take it worked?
[01:53] <stdin> epimeth: yeah, eventually, I went with dokuwiki in the end
[01:54] <stdin> epimeth: apache2, php and dokuwiki
[01:55] <epimeth> stdin: good stuff
[01:55] <stdin> epimeth: once it's installed, it's actually really easy to get going
[01:56] <jeanm> hi there
[01:56] <Contrast83> JohnFlux_: Any ideas?
[01:56] <jeanm> su oldusername
[01:56] <JohnFlux_> Contrast83: I'll have a look :-)
[01:56] <jeanm> sudo useradd newusername admin ?
[01:56] <Contrast83> Thanks. :-)
[01:57] <jeanm> i need to add a new admin user
[01:58] <jeanm> by console
[01:58] <jeanm> help plz
[01:59] <epimeth> what do you mean by "admin user" ?
[01:59] <epimeth> there is only root
[01:59] <stdin> the admin group, me thinks
[02:00] <jeanm> i want a user that can use the command sudo
[02:00] <mastermind> stdin: how to edit this file "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:00] <jeanm> and kdesi
[02:01] <jeanm> because my actual user cannot use kdesu
[02:01] <stdin> mastermind: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:01] <mastermind> k
[02:02] <jeanm> how can i create a new user in admin group?
[02:03] <apokryphos> jeanm: sudo useradd UserName admin
[02:03] <jeanm> please guys
[02:03] <mastermind> stdin: hey wat is DCOP communication..it says cant setup dcop communication.
[02:04] <Contrast83> Everytime I make changes to my color scheme, I have to log out and log back in because text in newly started programs appears very small. Has anyone else experienced this?
[02:04] <jeanm> useradd [OPTIONS]  login
[02:04] <stdin> mastermind: you can probably ignore that, dcop is the way most kde apps communicate with eachother
[02:05] <jeanm> apokryphos: what option?
[02:05] <apokryphos> no option, just do that
[02:06] <mastermind> when i run tat given text above to enable universe it saws this ...so,is there any other way
[02:06] <jeanm> done
[02:07] <stdin> mastermind: you can use Adept to do it, or use the console to
[02:07] <jeanm> doesnt work
[02:07] <apokryphos> it really does...
[02:07] <jeanm> when kdesu ask my pass
[02:08] <jeanm> it says  conversation with su failed
[02:10] <jeanm> apokryphos
[02:10] <jeanm> may be i should just do another user
[02:10] <apokryphos> that's something very different
[02:10] <apokryphos> no
[02:10] <apokryphos> that's a bug I think; check Google for that error
[02:11] <jeanm> arf
[02:12] <JuJuBee> I am still trying to figure out ubuntu.  When I create a user, is ubuntu supposed to create a group with the same  name? and assign the user to that group as well?
[02:13] <stdin> JuJuBee: normally, yes
[02:13] <stdin> JuJuBee: depends what tool you use
[02:14] <supernix> just wondering which graphics card is best supported by Kubuntu ATI or Nvidia ?
[02:14] <JuJuBee> Ok.  I installed Feisty yesterday on a spare box and used the GUI users & groups.  Got a group for the first user created during install, but not the users created after unstall using users & groups.
[02:15] <JuJuBee> s/unstall/install/
[02:15] <stdin> supernix: Nvidia, not that linux supports one more, but nvidia make better drivers for linux
[02:15] <supernix> kewl that is just what I needed to know
[02:16] <dystopianray> ati suck
[02:16] <supernix> I am also curious about something else I have a 19" wide screen monitor but I can't seem to figure out how to get it recognized under Kubuntu
[02:16] <stdin> JuJuBee: I'm on feisty, it makes the group automatically here
[02:16] <dystopianray> supernix: the resolution you mean?
[02:16] <supernix> it keeps wanting to see it as a standard monitor
[02:16] <supernix> something like that
[02:16] <supernix> it is a lcd screen
[02:16] <stdin> supernix: just adjust the resolution
[02:16] <stdin> !resolution
[02:16] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:19] <jeanm> thanks for the help
[02:22] <JuJuBee> stdin : not for mine and also missing the sudo group.
[02:23] <stdin> JuJuBee: try asking in #ubuntu+1 and #kubuntu-devel , I'm running up-to-date kubuntu feisty, and it's all there
[02:23] <JuJuBee> Tried in ubuntu+1, nobody answered...
[02:26] <eagles0513875> am having a huge problem
[02:26] <eagles0513875> when i booted into linux this am all i am seeing is  after
[02:26] <eagles0513875> i log in is really squiggly lines on the botton and 1/3 of my monitor looks like its a mirror of what im typing and seeing right now
[02:26] <eagles0513875> nhow do i fix it
[02:27] <eagles0513875> how do i reconfig the x
[02:27] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: what is your video hardware? and is this inside or outside of X?
[02:27] <eagles0513875> what u mean
[02:27] <eagles0513875> my vga card is an ati radeon 200m xpress
[02:27] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: do you encounter the effect in X?
[02:28] <eagles0513875> yes
[02:28] <eagles0513875> any sesion i try to log into
[02:28] <eagles0513875> failsafe xgl session
[02:28] <eagles0513875> even in 9wm
[02:28] <eagles0513875> im dealing wiht it right now just to get on here is a headache not to mention trying to type
[02:29] <eagles0513875> whats the command in the shell that i could run that will allow me to reconfig the x
[02:29] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: it's mentioned at the top of xorg.conf
[02:29] <eagles0513875> ok ty
[02:29] <eagles0513875> now to try get into a shell lol
[02:30] <eagles0513875> i cant read anything oon my shell could u tell me the command plz
[02:30] <dystopianray> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:30] <eagles0513875> ty
[02:34] <xtavaresx> dystopianray, what is the function of -phigh?
[02:35] <dystopianray> xtavaresx: I don't know, that's what it says in xorg.conf, it's probably in the man page
[02:36] <dystopianray> xtavaresx: it sets the minimum priority of messages to be displayed, so -p high is setting high priority as the minimum to display
[02:36] <xtavaresx> dystopianray: because i have had dkpg-reconfigure work on my x server with and without -phigh attached and both worked, i just wondered if you knew what it did
[02:36] <dystopianray> xtavaresx: it's in the man page
[02:36] <xtavaresx> oh, i see
[02:36] <dystopianray> i just checked
[02:36] <BluesKaj> "morning All :)
[02:37] <xtavaresx> i didnt read it as p high, i couldnt work out what (phonetic fig) meant. thanks
[02:44] <dystopianray> does ubuntu support wireless usb?
[02:45] <gdiebel> dystopianray: !wiki
[02:45] <dystopianray> !wiki
[02:45] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[02:46] <dystopianray> there is no mention of wireless usb in the wiki
[02:48] <BluesKaj> !usb
[02:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:48] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[02:48] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:50] <dystopianray> not wireless, or usb, but wireless usb!
[02:53] <supernix> ok I am curious since 6.10 is alpha how come they released it for purchase at amazon.com
[02:54] <BluesKaj> dystopianray, did you check the url ?
[02:54] <supernix> great to see that they got high reviews at amazon.com though
[02:54] <BluesKaj> they didn't , amazon is just asking for money for it AFAIK
[02:55] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: i'm not talking about wireless network, but wireless usb
[02:55] <_martyr> hi
[02:55] <Jucato> supernix: 6.10 isn't alpha
[02:55] <BluesKaj> !wireless-usb
[02:55] <Jucato> 7.04 (feisty) is
[02:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wireless-usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:55] <_martyr> id like to know how to prevent KaudioCreator to open when i insert an audio cd
[02:55] <supernix> So not alpha just beta then
[02:55] <Jucato> supernix: not even. 6.10 (Edgy) has been released as stable
[02:56] <gioacchino> hello'
[02:56] <gioacchino> anyone can help me with autostart ?
[02:56] <supernix> I just don't get it I downloaded the dvd then tried using it to view my partition table and even tried to do an install while running the live dvd and each time got a error
[02:56] <dystopianray> !autostart
[02:56] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[02:57] <supernix> that does not sound much like a stable release to me
[02:57] <dystopianray> supernix: well stop complaning and give us an error message or something useful to work with
[02:57] <Jucato> supernix: which version did you download? 6.10 or 7.04?
[02:57] <supernix> ok I will have to reboot into kubuntu to do that
[02:57] <BluesKaj> dystopianray , you tell him ! :)
[02:58] <supernix> I downloaded the 6.10 dvd via torrent
[02:58] <Jucato> you kept on saying earlier that you downloaded feisty
[02:58] <supernix> hmmmmm I might have mistakenly done that let me examine the dvd
[02:58] <Jucato> 6.10 = Edgy. released as stable on 2006 October. 7.04 = Feisty , will be released on 2007 April
[02:59] <BluesKaj> April19th methinks
[02:59] <dystopianray> are the dvd releases official?
[02:59] <Jucato> also, stable doesn't necessarily mean "perfect". It just means that it is mostly usable. but there will always be a few quirks here and there
[02:59] <Jucato> dystopianray: yep
[02:59] <dystopianray> Jucato: do they just contain lots of packages?
[03:00] <Jucato> dystopianray: yes. and have both Live versions and Alternate installer version on the DVD
[03:00] <dystopianray> Jucato: are the dvds just for a single architecture?
[03:01] <supernix> this is the iso that I burned kubuntu-6.10-dvd-i386.iso
[03:01] <BluesKaj> DVD is ok ,but the cd downloads let the user mix and match pkges that are more up to date on the repos.
[03:01] <supernix> so it is the 6.10 release
[03:01] <supernix> I will reboot and get back to you
[03:01] <Jucato> dystopianray: that I'm not sure
[03:01] <Contrast83> Does anyone else here constantly find themselves having to click a program's shortcut several times before the program actually loads (I've experienced this on Edgy, and am still seeing it in Feisty)?
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> Contrast83: maybe you need a new mouse? :)
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> Contrast83: works fine here.
[03:02] <dystopianray> Contrast83: are you sure you haven't just accidently turned on the double-click thing and your repeated single-clicks eventually become a double-click?
[03:02] <BluesKaj> Contrast83 , yup , it's one of the quirks in linux ....some one explained it to me once but I've forgotten
[03:03] <Contrast83> LeeJunFan:, dystopianray:, I wish it was that simple. :-P
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> what? I've installed linux on at least 100 systems and I've never seen that.
[03:03] <Jucato> that only happens to me when trying to launch Firefox from Katapult
[03:03] <Contrast83> I get launch feedback (bouncing cursor), it times out after 30 seconds, and the program doesn't open.
[03:04] <LeeJunFan> Contrast83: on different applications?
[03:04] <Contrast83> It seems most prevalent with Synaptic, but I get it at least once in a great while with nearly every program.
[03:04] <dystopianray> Contrast83: run $ tail ~/.xsession-errors
[03:04] <dystopianray> Contrast83: see if there are any errors
[03:04] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan, you mean you haven't experienced the the little hourglass thingy flipover for 30secs then disappear , some time 3 times before the dialog box pops up?
[03:05] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: the only time I've had it happen is with a single application that may have zombied. For instance if amarok crashes but has not been removed from the stack yet, if I try to launch it - it thinks it's already launched.
[03:06] <BluesKaj> well, it happens quite often with synaptic, kate and adept
[03:06] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: or if localhost doesn't resolve or something stupid like that.
[03:07] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: hrm, well I use kate quite a bit, but neither adept or synaptic.
[03:07] <Contrast83> LeeJunFan: No dice. Thanks anyway.
[03:07] <BluesKaj> well LeeJunFan , then yer lucky , cuz it's a common occurrence for me
[03:08] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: damn, for the first time in my life I'm the lucky one, why couldn't it have been when I buy lotto tickets instead of installing Linux? hehe
[03:08] <Contrast83> BluesKaj: Same here. I've experienced it on 4 different systems.
[03:08] <BluesKaj> hehe , yeah
[03:09] <Contrast83> (4 being the number of computers I've installed Linux on. :-\ )
[03:09] <dystopianray> I've not once ever heard of this clicking thing
[03:09] <dystopianray> are you sure you actually know how to operate a mouse? :S
[03:09] <BluesKaj> I've used mandriva, fedora, suse, and now kubuntu ... they all do it
[03:09] <dystopianray> with different mice?
[03:09] <dystopianray> are you pressing the mouse button hard enough?
[03:09] <Contrast83> dystopianray: I get launch feedback.
[03:09] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:09] <sanothay> hi all
[03:09] <sanothay> who could tell me what is the root password?
[03:10] <dystopianray> sanothay: there isn't one, use sudo
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> Contrast83: ifconfig lo shows that loopback device is up? And ping localhost works?
[03:10] <Contrast83> sanothay: The same as the one you use to log in if you're the main user.
[03:10] <sanothay> as I remember I never had to set any password for root account.
[03:10] <dystopianray> Contrast83: what if you run commands from a terminal or form 'run command' in the kmenu, do they start every time?
[03:10] <sanothay> you mean, I can su root
[03:10] <dystopianray> sanothay: there isn't one, use sudo
[03:10] <sanothay> and use the same password as my account?
[03:11] <dystopianray> sanothay: yes
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> crap, I gotta go, and I wanna find out about this one. Good luck Contrast83.
[03:11] <sanothay> i just type su root and input the same password
[03:11] <sanothay> but got authentication failure
[03:12] <sanothay> how can I become a root user?
[03:12] <dystopianray> sanothay: sudo su
[03:12] <dystopianray> sanothay: you have to use sudo!
[03:13] <sanothay> I have to use sudo instead of su?
[03:13] <dystopianray> sanothay: you can run su with sudo
[03:14] <sanothay> oh, when I type sudo su root
[03:14] <dystopianray> sanothay: $ sudo su
[03:14] <sanothay> then no password required!
[03:14] <sanothay> I automatically became the root user
[03:14] <dystopianray> sanothay: do you not understand how sudo works?
[03:14] <w00t0> I don't
[03:15] <sanothay> well, not much. I only knew that I need it when I want to become root or other users?
[03:15] <dystopianray> sanothay: did you previousloy run a command with sudo seconds/minutes ago?
[03:15] <sanothay> right?
[03:15] <Contrast83> dystopianray: I know they always start from the terminal, although I'm not sure about the run dialog (although I imagine this should be the same, right?).
[03:15] <sanothay> yes. I did.
[03:15] <dystopianray> Contrast83: well try it
[03:15] <Contrast83> dystopianray: It's not consistent enough to where I can just get it to do it on command...
[03:16] <Contrast83> dystopianray: ...but it happens often enough to still be quite annoying.
[03:16] <dystopianray> sanothay: sudo authenticates you once and then gives you about 5 minutes of usage without needing a password
[03:16] <sanothay> how can I assign a password to root user?
[03:16] <BluesKaj> dystopianray, I've had launches fail many times from the runbox
[03:16] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: for what reason?
[03:16] <BluesKaj> wish i knew
[03:16] <dystopianray> Contrast83: I've not once ever heard of this clicking problem, I suspect you have a general computer or configuration fault
[03:17] <dystopianray> Contrast83: or that you are incorrectly using the mouse
[03:17] <Contrast83> dystopianray: Do you know what "LAUNCH FEEDBACK" means?
[03:18] <dystopianray> Contrast83: have you looked in ~/.xsession-errors to see if there is an error message?
[03:19] <dystopianray> Contrast83: get an error message or work out how to reproduce the problem
[03:19] <xtavaresx> i have KDM theme manager installed, and have set up a KDM theme, as well as a splash scrren, but there is a split second after the kdm goes away and before the splash loads where the silly blue curves desktop wallpaper appears. how do i adjust THAT picture? (hope that question made sense!)
[03:20] <uciu> !pl
[03:20] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[03:20] <AaronCampbell> It looks like fiesty is dues out the 19th of next month (28 days?).  I have a new system coming in 2-3 days, and I'd like to have the latest, but I'd hate to wait a month.  If I get and install a beta, will it update to the final release without any major issues?
[03:20] <uciu> !help
[03:20] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:20] <Contrast83> dystopianray: (synaptic:7364): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_unref_tree_helper: assertion `node != NULL' failed
[03:20] <Jucato> xtavaresx: System Settings -> Advanced -> Login Manager -> Background tab
[03:20] <xtavaresx> thank you
[03:20] <Jucato> AaronCampbell: yes. (theoretically, without major issues)
[03:20] <dystopianray> Contrast83: synaptic is one of the apps that has the click problem?
[03:20] <Jucato> AaronCampbell: but take note that as of today, it's not even beta yet
[03:20] <Contrast83> Yep.
[03:21] <AaronCampbell> Jucato: are they behind?  It looks like it should have a beta release today: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[03:21] <crimsun> AaronCampbell: tomorrow.
[03:21] <Jucato> AaronCampbell: yes, it was moved
[03:21] <dystopianray> Contrast83: is your gtk just whatever is in the official repositries?
[03:22] <AaronCampbell> ok, so it'll be beta in the next 2-3 days?  I won't get the system for that long anyway
[03:22] <gioacchino> how to add a system services with kcontrol ?
[03:22] <gioacchino> !kcontrol
[03:22] <ubotu> kcontrol: control center for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 2815 kB, installed size 9008 kB
[03:23] <Jucato> gioacchino: System Settings -> Advanced -> System Services?
[03:24] <Contrast83> dystopianray: All official.
[03:24] <gioacchino> bad I can only able/disable service I want add a new command
[03:24] <dystopianray> Contrast83: you've had this same problem on 4 distros?
[03:24] <dystopianray> Contrast83: is this on different machines? or the same machine?
[03:24] <lelik> hi, alll..  I have a question: I accidently deleted timezone info for my region: Asia/Seoul. What packet should I reinstall to restore this file?
[03:25] <Contrast83> dystopianray: But I don't think it's a GTK problem, as I'm 99.9999% certain it's happened with non-GTK apps Blues said it happened with Kate and Adept as well.
[03:25] <dystopianray> Contrast83: it happened to him to?
[03:25] <dystopianray> lelik: tzdata
[03:26] <Contrast83> dystopianray: Four different computers, happens with fresh installs so it's not something I've borked.
[03:26] <Contrast83> dystopianray: And yeah, it's happened with him too.
[03:26] <rigved> hi does anyone know how to connect to a windows machine from this kubuntu machine?
[03:26] <rigved> is it somthing to do with smb://
[03:26] <dystopianray> rigved: 'connect' in what manner?
[03:27] <rigved> there are 2 machines, one is linux and the other windows... just want to access files from the windows
[03:27] <dystopianray> rigved: if you go to smb:// in konq it should pickup your windows workgroup
[03:27] <dystopianray> rigved: you'll need to run samba on the kubuntu machine
[03:27] <rigved> dystopianray: thanks, i ll just try that
[03:29] <dystopianray> Contrast83: so you click on an icon and the applicaiton just doens't start? how often does this occur?
[03:29] <dystopianray> Contrast83: is it something that only happens in KDE? what about gnome?or other environments?
[03:29] <slestak> how can i get grep to exclude commented lines in a text file?  grep -v '#' /etc/foo does not work...
[03:29] <lelik> dystopianray: but there is no such package in ubuntu..
[03:29] <rigved> dystopianray: thanks a ton
[03:29] <rigved> dystopianray: i was able to connect
[03:29] <dystopianray> lelik: are you sure?
[03:29] <rigved> dystopianray: i had done that once but cudnt remember that it was from konquerer
[03:29] <rigved> dystopianray: thanks again
[03:29] <dystopianray> rigved: you just wanted to connect to the windows machine? you don't need samba for that
[03:30] <lelik> dystopianray: I tried apt-get install tzdata
[03:30] <dystopianray> lelik: tzdata works fine here
[03:30] <dystopianray> lelik: apt-get --reinstall install tzdata
[03:31] <rigved> dystopianray: is there some other way apart from smb://
[03:35] <beta> !nvdia
[03:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvdia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:35] <lelik> dystopianray: E: Couldn't find package tzdata
[03:35] <beta> !nvidia
[03:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:35] <dystopianray> rigved: you can mount a smb share
[03:35] <rigved> dystopianray:wow
[03:35] <dystopianray> lelik: are you running 6.10?
[03:35] <Contrast83> dystopianray: Correct. I click the icon, I get the bouncing icon next to the cursor so I know I clicked it, and after 30 seconds the bouncing cursor stops without the program being launched.
[03:35] <rigved> dystopianray: how do i that
[03:35] <Contrast83> dystopianray: Not sure about other DE's. I only use KDE.
[03:35] <lelik> dystopianray: 6.06.
[03:35] <itstaff> hi all what command should I use to switch from Ubuntu to Kubuntu
[03:35] <dystopianray> lelik: ah well it might be some other package in 6.06, i'm not sure
[03:35] <dystopianray> !timezone
[03:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timezone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:35] <rigved> dystopianray: how do i mount the smb share brother
[03:35] <dystopianray> itstaff: i think it's apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:35] <dystopianray> rigved: smbmount, although it doesn't seem to be installed by default
[03:35] <dystopianray> rigved: you'll need to install smbfs
[03:35] <lelik> dystopianray: how can I find exact package?
[03:35] <rigved> dystopianray: ok thanks again
[03:35] <dystopianray> lelik: i'm not really sure
[03:35] <bxnp> Contrast83: wich program do you want to start with the icon
[03:35] <lelik> dystopianray: anyway - THANKS!!! :-)
[03:35] <Contrast83> bxnp: It happens with various programs, very inconsistently, but mostly with Synaptic.
[03:35] <Contrast83> BRB
[03:36] <rigved> dystopianray: hi again... any idea how i can open a .chm file?
[03:36] <soulrider_> rigved: kchmviewer i think
[03:37] <soulrider_> rigved: i gotta install it again, so ill tell you the correct name in a sec
[03:37] <soulrider_> rigved: yes, sudo apt-get install kchmviewer
[03:37] <Jucato> !kchmviewer | rigved
[03:37] <ubotu> rigved: kchmviewer: CHM viewer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 200 kB, installed size 624 kB
[03:40] <gioacchino> !system service
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about system service - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <gioacchino> !system services
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about system services - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <soulrider_> gioacchino: you wanna enable/disable the, ?
[03:40] <soulrider_> them*
[03:40] <gioacchino> I use kcontrol
[03:45] <gioacchino> soulrider_:  I use kcontrol and I can only able disable system service but I want add new command
[03:45] <Contrast83> bxnp: Back... Any ideas?
[03:45] <bxnp> oke, no not realy, i had the same problem ones, but i know that somethimes a program is not launching because there is an crashed instance running, so check if the program is running from the console
[03:45] <bxnp> and if you find something kill the proces and try to start it again
[03:45] <soulrider_> gioacchino: not sure
[03:45] <bxnp> do you know how to find if some proces is running Contrast83
[03:45] <itstaff> dystopianray: thanks so much let me try
[03:45] <bxnp> second, Contrast83 do you have more virutal desktop's it could be running on another desktop
[03:45] <Contrast83> bxnp: KSysGuard is what I use for it. I know it can be done from the console as well, but I don't know the command.
[03:45] <gioacchino> soulrider_:  hum ?
[03:45] <Contrast83> bxnp: Nope. Just one desktop (using Beryl).
[03:45] <bxnp> for example you want to know if kmail is running do this ps -ef | grep kmail
[03:45] <bxnp> oh beryl, ehm
[03:45] <amayera> hi
[03:45] <amayera> I wanted to ask if it is planned for usplash to support cryptsetup so one can enter his dmcrypt passphrase while still seeing the nice uslpash screen and not the console?
[03:45] <Contrast83> bxnp: It happened before I was using Beryl too though.
[03:45] <bxnp> oke, good
[03:45] <bxnp> we can rulte that out
[03:45] <Contrast83> bxnp: And it occurs on all four systems I've installed Linux on.
[03:45] <bxnp> strange, this is
[03:46] <bigdad1e_> how do i make a dvd iso image?
[03:46] <bxnp> k3b bigdad1e_
[03:46] <bigdad1e_> it only burns already made iso's
[03:46] <beta> !flash
[03:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:46] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[03:46] <bxnp> no you can create one asswell i believe
[03:47] <bigdad1e_> give me a minute to see
[03:47] <bigdad1e_> nope
[03:48] <Contrast83> bigdad1e_: What are you trying to make an image of?
[03:48] <bigdad1e_> a dvd
[03:48] <Contrast83> bigdad1e_: Right, but what kind? Video DVD or data?
[03:48] <bigdad1e_> video DVD i want to burn a dvd to watch
[03:49] <bigdad1e_> on my dvd player
[03:49] <Contrast83> bigdad1e_: K9Copy.
[03:49] <Contrast83> bigdad1e_: And libdvdcss. Which release are you using?
[03:49] <Contrast83> !info k9copy
[03:49] <ubotu> k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0~beta1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 630 kB, installed size 1708 kB
[03:49] <bxnp> bigdad1e_:  k3b can make dvd iso
[03:50] <bigdad1e_> kubuntu the newest i believe
[03:50] <bxnp> there is the option only create iso
[03:50] <bxnp> if you go to the burn tab
[03:50] <Contrast83> bxnp: That's not what he needs.
[03:50] <bxnp> oh oke,
[03:50] <Contrast83> At least, I don't think.
[03:50] <bxnp> more the illegal things, like ripping dvd's and make an other iso out of it :)
[03:51] <Contrast83> bigdad1e_: Do you want to make a video DVD from an existing DVD or video files on your computers?
[03:51] <bigdad1e_> from a ripped dvd
[03:51] <bigdad1e_> avi based most likely xvid
[03:51] <Contrast83> K. Then K9Copy.
[03:51] <bxnp> well extacly the strange thing is , that you cant legal watch a dvd with kubuntu
[03:51] <Contrast83> Ohh, wait.
[03:51] <Contrast83> Ok, devede.
[03:51] <bxnp> wich is encrypted
[03:51] <Contrast83> !info devede
[03:51] <ubotu> devede: Video DVD creator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 243 kB, installed size 664 kB
[03:52] <bigdad1e_> my terminal isnt finding the package
[03:52] <Contrast83> bigdad1e_: Wait. So you've already ripped the DVD to video files, and you want to make a video DVD from those files?
[03:53] <bigdad1e_> i downloaded a ripped dvd
[03:53] <Contrast83> bigdad1e_: Am I understanding you correctly?
[03:53] <bigdad1e_> i downloaded a ripped dvd sshh and i want to put it onto a dvd to watch it on my tv
[03:53] <soulrider_> bigdad1e_: with k9copy you can already rip them and compress them
[03:53] <soulrider_> i think you need libdecss though
[03:53] <Contrast83> bigdad1e_: So what format is the file in?
[03:54] <bigdad1e_> 1 sec
[03:54] <bigdad1e_> xvid
[03:54] <Contrast83> I'm pretty surer devede can handle that.
[03:54] <bigdad1e_> where do i download devede?
[03:55] <soulrider_> isnt it on the repos ?
[03:55] <Contrast83> If you can't find the package, make sure the multiverse repository is enabled.
[03:55] <bigdad1e_> no
[03:55] <soulrider_> p   devede                          - Video DVD creator
[03:55] <soulrider_> it is
[03:55] <bigdad1e_> i have multiverse
[03:55] <Contrast83> It is in the repos.
[03:55] <AaronCampbell> I'm going to be setting up a new Kubuntu system.  I'm planning on using a software raid (level 5) for most things (I have 5 500G drives...I'm not sure if I'll use them all, or just 3 of them), but I'm wondering if I should try to install on the raid?  Or just install on a seperate HDD, and mount the raid at /home
[03:55] <soulrider_> bigdad1e_: do "sudo aptitude install devede"
[03:55] <Contrast83> bigdad1e_: Dapper or Edgy?
[03:56] <AaronCampbell> Also, how does (K)Ubuntu do with raid 5?  Can it handle 5 drives?
[03:56] <soulrider_> AaronCampbell: i have no idea
[03:56] <bigdad1e_> i dont know what verson
[03:56] <soulrider_> maybe try the forums? someone probably asked before
[03:56] <rigved> soulrider_ thanks
[03:56] <soulrider_> bigdad1e_: whats the color on the window decorations? blue or purpleish ?
[03:56] <bigdad1e_> bkue
[03:57] <bigdad1e_> blue
[03:57] <soulrider_> ahh
[03:57] <soulrider_> dapper then
[03:57] <soulrider_> hold on, just to make sure
[03:57] <soulrider_> !version
[03:57] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[03:57] <soulrider_> there :P
[03:57] <Contrast83> soulrider_: Smart. I'm guessing you figure if someone doesn't know which release they have, they probably don't know how to change their window decorations either?
[03:57] <soulrider_> dont add those >> and <<
[03:58] <bigdad1e_> 6.6 dapper
[03:58] <soulrider_> ^_^
[03:58] <soulrider_> ok
[03:58] <soulrider_> do you know if you enabled multiverse AND universe?
[03:58] <bigdad1e_> my repos cant find devede
[03:58] <soulrider_> or just one
[03:58] <bigdad1e_> yes i had someone do that for me
[03:58] <soulrider_> uhm ok, do this
[03:58] <bigdad1e_> i think both
[03:59] <soulrider_> ah, alright
[03:59] <soulrider_> actually, the repos are not responding for me at the moment
[03:59] <soulrider_> so let me see if i can find a .deb for dapper somewhere
[03:59] <bigdad1e_> soulrider: thanks
[03:59] <gioacchino> how to add command at startup ??
[04:00] <soulrider_> gioacchino: create a shortcut in ~/.kde/autostart/
[04:00] <gioacchino> soulrider_:  shortcut ?
[04:01] <soulrider_> yes a link tot he program
[04:01] <soulrider_> a .desktop file
[04:01] <bigdad1e_> soulrider: ill brb in 3 mins
[04:01] <soulrider_> bigdad1e_: http://ubuntu-repo.iespana.es/dapper/devede_2.6-1getdeb1_all.deb there is a deb, im not sure the language, but im guessing its english
[04:01] <gioacchino> soulrider_:  it run with sudo privileges ?
[04:01] <Contrast83> gioacchino: Open that folder in Konqueror, and drag and drop a shortcut to the desired program into it from the K Menu.
[04:01] <bigdad1e_> thanks
[04:02] <soulrider_> gioacchino: if you want it to run with sudo privileges add sudo and thent he command
[04:04] <Contrast83> gioacchino: Right-click the shortcut you made in ~/.kde/Autostart -> Properties -> Application, and put kdesu at the beginning of the command.
[04:04] <Contrast83> soulrider_: Won't sudo not make the KDE root password prompt come up?
[04:05] <Contrast83> I could be wrong, I'm still a noob. :-\
[04:05] <gioacchino> can I use a sh script ??
[04:05] <Mena> I can upgrade to egdy without renistall kubuntu form first right
[04:05] <gioacchino> in the kade startup folder ?
[04:05] <soulrider_> Contrast83: youre right
[04:05] <Contrast83> gioacchino: As long as it's executable.
[04:05] <soulrider_> it has to be kdesu
[04:05] <soulrider_> gia
[04:06] <soulrider_> gioacchino: not sure
[04:06] <gioacchino> because are numerous command..
[04:06] <Contrast83> Mena: Right. I've heard of varying levels of success with this though. Of course, that was when Edgy first came out. Not sure if they fixed it.
[04:06] <BluesKaj> has anyone had probs with K9copy failing on ISO files ?
[04:06] <beta> !w32codecs
[04:06] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[04:11] <bigdad1e_> soulrider: that pkg wouldnt install correctly
 gioacchino: not sure  sorry I'm not english "not sure"="not work" ??
[04:11] <Contrast83> BluesKaj: You have libdvdcss, right?
[04:11] <Mena> Contrast83, okay and from edgy to fiesty
[04:11] <Contrast83> Mena: No idea. Feisty's still alpha. ;-)
[04:11] <Mena> i know after the  stable  or they will make tests first
[04:11] <Contrast83> Mena: I mean, it's possible, but I don't know how safe it is.
[04:11] <Mena> Contrast83, ok Thaanks
[04:11] <Mena> :)
[04:11] <BluesKaj> yes Contrast83, I used K3B and it also failed, the first time but i worked the 2nd time ...also I use AcetoneISO, which works really well , but I'm still curious why K9Copy failed
[04:11] <Mena> Bye WIth God Bless
[04:11] <gioacchino> soulrider_  "not sure"="not work" ?? I'm not english
[04:11] <rigved> hi can anyone pls suggest an ide for developing php? (not bluefish or quanta)
[04:11] <bigdad1e_> soulrider: whats the link for me to download it the one where i pick which one i nned? not the one you gave me ^?
[04:11] <Contrast83> BluesKaj: Sorry, not sure. K9Copy has always been one of the most reliable applications I use.
[04:11] <bigdad1e_> gioacchino: what language do you speak>
[04:11] <bigdad1e_> ?
[04:11] <BluesKaj> hmmm Contrast83 , maybe a reinstall is in order
[04:11] <bigdad1e_> !it
[04:11] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:11] <gioacchino> mm on ubuntu-it  nobody is able to help me
[04:13] <bigdad1e_> whats the link to the dapper reos?
[04:14] <BluesKaj> !dapper
[04:14] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[04:14] <bigdad1e_> !repos
[04:14] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:17] <madmonk> hi all
[04:17] <madmonk> i need help
[04:17] <madmonk> i'm writing from a live kubuntu edgy
[04:17] <madmonk> it seems that I can't install it on this machine
[04:18] <madmonk> strange problem
[04:18] <madmonk> qtparted during the installation says that one of my partition is mounted so it doesn't proceed well
[04:18] <madmonk> the fact is the the partition is not mounted at all!!!
[04:19] <madmonk> can anybody help me please?
[04:20] <madmonk> umount says that it can't find /dev/hda2 into mtab
[04:20] <madmonk> and also that the partiotion is not mounted
[04:20] <BluesKaj> madmonk , have you formatted the partition to ext ?
[04:20] <madmonk> actually it is formatted in xfs
[04:20] <Contrast83> madmonk: Not sure. I do all my installs from text-only discs. Not sure if that would help at all.
[04:20] <madmonk> tell me
[04:21] <madmonk> i need to erease thet partiotion
[04:21] <BluesKaj> well, format the partition to ext first , then try the install
[04:22] <madmonk> tried already
[04:22] <madmonk> without success
[04:22] <madmonk> even from konsole
[04:22] <madmonk> with mkfs.ext3
[04:22] <madmonk> it keeps on saying that the partition is mounted
[04:22] <BluesKaj> did you try to install ?
[04:23] <BluesKaj> without formatting
[04:23] <madmonk> nope....because it won't change the right way my partitions!
[04:23] <madmonk> i didn't aply the changes
[04:23] <Contrast83> madmonk: You might try the text-only disc?
[04:24] <madmonk> wait...i'll try to deactivate the partition...
[04:24] <Contrast83> madmonk: Are you wiping the hard drive or keeping one or more partitions?
[04:24] <BluesKaj> or you could try GParted Live CD partition editor. I've had good luck with it .
[04:25] <madmonk> I'm keeping one partition with windows
[04:25] <madmonk> nope...the partition is not active...
[04:26] <Contrast83> Ohh... I had problems when trying to do that even with the text CD. Couldn't find a way around it.
[04:26] <madmonk> holy crap
[04:26] <madmonk> how did u solve it?
[04:27] <madmonk> Contrast83: how did u solve it at least?
[04:27] <Contrast83> I didn't go on a search for a solution or anything-- Just explained to my friend (who I was doing this for) what was going on and they said to wipe Windows. They don't have anything in Windows they need, really. They still have the Windows CD if they decide to go back.
[04:28] <madmonk> well..
[04:28] <madmonk> I understand
[04:28] <madmonk> but it's not a nice solution imho
[04:28] <Contrast83> I completely agree.
[04:28] <madmonk> I need also windows....bad luck
[04:31] <BluesKaj> yeah, sometimes the bulldozer approach works but he may have a windows rescue partition that is interefering ...that was my problem
[04:31] <Contrast83> I know there are tons of people with Ubuntu and Windows partitions. I don't know if they ran into the same problems or not though.
[04:31] <madmonk> well...I use both os since ubuntu breezy...never had that kinda problem before
[04:31] <madmonk> i guess it's an edgy's problem
[04:31] <BluesKaj> well madmonk, I think the GParted Live Boot CD can help you...it's much more effective than Qparted and more stable
[04:31] <madmonk> i think i'll try to format that partition from my dapper
[04:31] <Apo_99> help me
[04:31] <Apo_99> apa bisa main ragnarok di kubuntu
[04:32] <SmokeyD> what language is that Apo_99
[04:32] <BluesKaj> !gr
[04:32] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[04:32] <SmokeyD> :)
[04:32] <madmonk> BluesKaj: do u mean the other kubuntu cd?
[04:37] <BluesKaj> no madmonk, it;s a seperate Live CD  a few hundred megabytes
[04:37] <BluesKaj> madmonk, http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gparted
[04:37] <BluesKaj> madmonk, http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gparted
[04:37] <madmonk> ok
[04:40] <madmonk> wow!!!
[04:40] <x86_> woo
[04:40] <madmonk> I don't know why...but now it's working fine!!
[04:40] <madmonk> thanx
[04:40] <eagles0513875> what was ur issue monk
[04:40] <madmonk> disconnecting now...
[04:40] <rigved> hi all... can somebody please tell me how to change the permissions on a linux drive?
[04:40] <rigved> pls help
[04:41] <jeff_> @rigved what do you mean by change permissions
[04:41] <rigved> as in i cant copy any files in it
[04:42] <rigved> jeff_ i ve created this new partition table from a windows drive
[04:43] <lnxkde> I need help
[04:43] <lnxkde> I unplgged my machine when it freazed thankx too beryl  :/
[04:43] <lnxkde> and now my fat32 partition with all my media is not writable
[04:43] <rigved> jeff_ the windows drive is thus now a linux partition /dev/sda4
[04:43] <lnxkde> and when loading it starts to send a lot of sibols
[04:43] <lnxkde> :/
[04:43] <rigved> jeff_ it has a hard disc icon
[04:44] <lnxkde> how can I check my fat32 partition for errors in the konsole?
[04:44] <bentob0x> I'm getting this error when I use adept manager
[04:44] <bentob0x> "There was an error comitting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages"
[04:44] <jeff_> can you copy and paste the line in your /etc/fstab file relating to the drive. im assuming thats the problem.
[04:45] <rigved> jeff_ r u refering to me?
[04:45] <jeff_> yeah
[04:46] <jeff_> @inxde try fsck http://www.adminschoice.com/docs/fsck.htm
[04:46] <rigved> jeff_ /dev/sda4	/home/rigved/space reiserfs defaults	0	0	
[04:46] <rigved> space is that hard disc icon
[04:50] <rigved> jeff_ any idea brother
[04:51] <clau85> hello. I'm using Kubuntu edgy and I want to install sun-java with adept. but I can't accept the licence in the terminal emulator because I can't input anything
[04:56] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: sibols?
[04:57] <bentob0x> anybody could help me please?
[04:57] <bentob0x> "There was an error comitting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages"
[04:57] <bentob0x> I tried to install some debian packages yesterday for my brother HL5140
[04:57] <jeff_> @rigved yeah try adding a few spaces in there for starters then umount that partition and remount it and try again.
[04:57] <DaSkreech> bentob0x: do it from konsole
[04:58] <bentob0x> i tried, but I'm getting this then: E: The package hl5140lpr needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[04:58] <DaSkreech> bentob0x: delete it from /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:03] <bentob0x> ?
[05:03] <soulrider> hi
[05:03] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: simbols
[05:03] <lnxkde> :s
[05:03] <bentob0x> I have two subfolders in archives
[05:03] <lnxkde> lnxkde: anyway I found a program that fixes the problems :/
[05:03] <bentob0x> sorry I have partial as subfolder and lock
[05:03] <DaSkreech> bentob0x: find the .deb for package in that folder
[05:03] <bentob0x> its not there
[05:03] <DaSkreech> bentob0x: other than that it's empty?
[05:03] <bentob0x> ls -al doesn't show any packages
[05:03] <bentob0x> yep
[05:03] <bentob0x> only one folder and one file
[05:03] <DaSkreech> do an update and try again I guess
[05:03] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: What's it called?
[05:03] <xardias> now this is what i call a nice OS.. http://files.xardias.net/images/desktop/snapshot1.jpg KDE can be so sexy ;)
[05:03] <xardias> http://files.xardias.net/images/desktop/snapshot2.jpg
[05:03] <bentob0x> what version is that xardias?
[05:03] <phux> hi
[05:03] <xardias> bentob0x: is 3.5.5, i just replaced the window manager with beryl.
[05:03] <bentob0x> :)
[05:03] <bentob0x> nice
[05:03] <xardias> well its the beryl svn version.. not that stable.. but really cool ;)
[05:03] <DaSkreech> xardias: What does the cellotaped photo?
[05:05] <xardias> it does erm.. nothing. its my wallpaper ;)
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Damn You!!! :-P
[05:05] <DaSkreech> That would be really cool :)
[05:08] <DaSkreech> xardias: Nice skin for kopete
[05:08] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[05:08] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:08] <DaSkreech> !it | Gmx. Read for italian help
[05:08] <ubotu> Gmx. Read for italian help: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:09] <gmx> daskreech i've understand
[05:09] <xardias> DaSkreech: its not kopete. its jabbin, a jabber client.
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Ok Just checking :)
[05:09] <gmx> xD
[05:09] <gmx> i want an help for my problem
[05:09] <DaSkreech> xardias: You are using it as an ICQ gateway?
[05:09] <xardias> DaSkreech: yes
[05:09] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:10] <xardias> DaSkreech: well it has some missing features (away messages, and stuff like this) but i can chat with it.
[05:11] <gmx> i want to know for write the download's file in directory on windows machine
[05:11] <gmx> this 2 machine is in lan
[05:11] <gmx> and the hd of machine window is share
[05:12] <BluesKaj> !samba
[05:12] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:12] <gmx> i've installed samba
[05:12] <gmx> and i see the directory of window machine
[05:12] <BluesKaj> does it mount ?
[05:12] <gmx> but when i write directory smb//eccecc
[05:13] <gmx> amule don't work
[05:13] <DaSkreech> gmx: is it a NTFS drive?
[05:13] <gmx> yes
[05:13] <gmx> DaSkreech:
[05:13] <DaSkreech> !ntfs
[05:13] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:13] <gmx> thanks
[05:13] <DaSkreech> !ntfs-36 | gmx hope this helps.
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs-36 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <DaSkreech> !ntfs-3g | gmx hope this helps.
[05:13] <ubotu> gmx hope this helps.: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[05:15] <BluesKaj> gmx why amule ?
[05:16] <jeff_> why would you need ntfs-3g for talking to a remote windows machine or has i missed something.
[05:16] <srecko> hello
[05:17] <ssickle> Has anyone had their keyboard stop working with the last update of the fiesty packages?
[05:18] <eagles0513875> jeff ntfs3g give u read write access
[05:19] <eagles0513875> if u dont want to be able to edit stuff that is on a remote machine dont bother with it
[05:19] <BluesKaj> yeah jeff_ exactly ...confusing the issue with the ntfs-3g  suggestion, imo.
[05:20] <eagles0513875> i have to say i love ntfs 3g though
[05:20] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875 , on the same pc yeah, but a networked one?
[05:20] <eagles0513875> yes
[05:20] <eagles0513875> wait
[05:20] <eagles0513875> oh wait
[05:20] <eagles0513875> jeff u would have to set up samba
[05:20] <jeff_> you probably have the wrong permissions set on the windows box.
[05:20] <BluesKaj> I write the wifes windows pc all the time, don't use ntfs-3g on it
[05:21] <eagles0513875> for me its duel boot so i have to have ntfs3g
[05:21] <eagles0513875> wouldnt he have to setup samba
[05:21] <BluesKaj> yup, he has
[05:21] <eagles0513875> what bout u blue
[05:21] <jeff_> yeah he said he has already and that he can see the shares but cant write to them.
[05:22] <KaoticEvil> how can i get a list of running processes thru konsole?
[05:22] <BluesKaj> i have ntfs-3g , cuz i dual boot too , and i use samba as well
[05:22] <eagles0513875> kaotic just hit ctrl esc
[05:22] <KaoticEvil> eagles0513875: ksysguard isnt working properly
[05:22] <eagles0513875> whats wrong with it
[05:22] <jeff_> or try ps -ax or even top
[05:23] <KaoticEvil> thanks :)
[05:23] <KaoticEvil> thats what i need jeff_
[05:24] <JohnFlux> KaoticEvil: what's not working properly with ksysguard?
[05:25] <eagles0513875> jeff do u have samba setup
[05:25] <jeff_> nope no windows machines around here.
[05:25] <eagles0513875> so u running only linux on ur network
[05:25] <KaoticEvil> JohnFlux: it shows no process list, and memory/swap usage is nothing but 8's
[05:26] <jeff_> dont have a network, the question was asked by gmx
[05:26] <mastermind> hey guys...if  u have downloaded a file from adept where would it get stored..?????
[05:27] <stdin> mastermind: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[05:29] <mastermind> stdin: how to open it??? do i have to run in an terminal window
[05:29] <chijin> only debs are stored in that directory
[05:29] <chijin> if you want to run the actual software you installed through adept, it's not there
[05:30] <chijin> mastermind: what did you install from adept?
[05:30] <stdin> mastermind: open what?
[05:30] <mastermind> it was 3d chess game chijin
[05:30] <chijin> mastermind: then look at your menu for games, it's probably there
[05:30] <stdin> mastermind: the packages you install are accessed from the KMenu
[05:31] <eagles0513875> gmx what kinda machines u got on ur net
[05:31] <mastermind> i dont find a game in kmenu
[05:32] <chijin> mastermind: games -> board games -> ?
[05:32] <stdin> mastermind: try running kbuildsycoca, that should update your KMenu
[05:34] <mastermind> command not found:stdin
[05:34] <mastermind> ya its a board game..:chijin
[05:35] <stdin> mastermind: how did you run it
[05:35] <DaSkreech> mastermind: what was it called?
[05:35] <chijin> mastermind: type '3dchess &' in terminal
[05:35] <mastermind> in a terminal window and in a run window
[05:36] <stdin> mastermind: if you have kde installed, then you have it, /usr/bin/kbuildsycoca
[05:38] <xardias> well. does anyway know a way to make KDE widgets "smaller"? is there a global DPI setting which affects all widgets or something like that?
[05:38] <xardias> compared to windows windows at the same resolution KDE has really big controls and default font sizes..
[05:39] <xardias> strip out one windows in that scentence..
[05:39] <mastermind> sorry stdin..i din install kde,,iam doin it now..
[05:39] <stdin> mastermind: huh?
[05:39] <chijin> :-D
[05:40] <stdin> mastermind: you are running kubuntu aren't uou?
[05:40] <stdin> mastermind: you don't need/shouldn't install the "kde" package in adept
[05:40] <mastermind> ya...i din know the basics of wat to install and not ...sorry its ma ignorance..
[05:41] <mastermind> sorry i dont get u..stdin
[05:42] <stdin> mastermind: if you have kubuntu installed, you have kde, don't install the "kde" package in adept, you don't need it and it can mess things up
[05:44] <mastermind> oh...iam installing it...u should tat u should tat u should have kde,then i looked at adept ,i found kde for games ,applications..and then i installed it..
[05:44] <mastermind> its gonna be a problem???stdin
[05:45] <stdin> mastermind: what package did you just install, what was it called?
[05:46] <mastermind> kde foe games and other applications and kde for deskop environment
[05:55] <Apo_99> how to install wineX at kubuntu
[05:57] <Tm_T> !wine | Apo_99
[05:57] <ubotu> Apo_99: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:57] <stdin> wineX ?
[05:58] <Tm_T> stdin: old stuff
[05:58] <stdin> ahh
[05:59] <Tm_T> stdin: I might remember wrong but winex was fork of wine and then cedega was fork of winex
[05:59] <Tm_T> but that was long time ago
[05:59] <stdin> right
[06:00] <SmokeyD> If you need Wine working out of the box it may be worth buying CrossOverOffice, which is a commercial version of Wine with a nice interface and without the hassle of getting everything setup correctly (which can be tedious in Wine)
[06:00] <SmokeyD> at least it used ton be a hassle
[06:00] <SmokeyD> didn't try anymore the last year or something since I already have Crossover Office
[06:00] <SmokeyD> :)
[06:00] <Tm_T> SmokeyD: no hassle here, apt-get install wine -> run stuff
[06:01] <SmokeyD> Tm_T, I remember a year or two ago that there was a lot of shit getting the right ddl's and stuff
[06:01] <Tm_T> I try wine ~once a month
[06:01] <stdin> wineconfig lets you tweak the rest
[06:01] <Tm_T> SmokeyD: true, it was back then
[06:01] <SmokeyD> ok
[06:01] <SmokeyD> cool
[06:01] <SmokeyD> then I'll try Wine again
[06:01] <SmokeyD> :)(
[06:01] <Tm_T> )(
[06:01] <SmokeyD> I have a very old version of Crossover Office anyway
[06:01] <SmokeyD> :)
[06:01] <waylandbill> SmokeyD: I run a custom vncviewer right after a apt-get wine. works fine.
[06:02] <SmokeyD> cool
[06:02] <Tm_T> I wonder how cygwin does run in wine
[06:02] <SmokeyD> is there DirectX support in Wine nowadays? (Like in Cedega)
[06:02] <Tm_T> SmokeyD: yes, partly
[06:02] <SmokeyD> cool
[06:03] <waylandbill> Tm_t, SmokeyD: not dx9 yet though
[06:03] <Tm_T> SmokeyD: some games work very well, some doesn't at all :)
[06:03] <MuJ> frozen throne works like a charm ^_^
[06:03] <myTB|Tanuva> diablo2 too
[06:03] <Tm_T> waylandbill: in good level atleast
[06:03] <Tm_T> MuJ: mooh mooh
[06:03] <SmokeyD> cool
[06:03] <MuJ> Tm_Cow
[06:03] <myTB|Tanuva> vice city doesnt for me, although its said everywhere
[06:04] <waylandbill> sooner or later for dx9 I guess. :-)
[06:04] <myTB|Tanuva> ahm... how may I find out if libsensors was compiled with sysfs support?
[06:04] <nova> OUI
[06:05] <Tm_T> waylandbill: http://winehq.org/site/status_directx
[06:09] <pixi> HI everybody!.. just got a message from my ISP.. about me using en bot called emech, likely for DdoS
[06:09] <pixi> what's up with that?
[06:10] <myTB|Tanuva> if you dont use emech, its possible that its fishing
[06:11] <pixi> can you explain further please?
[06:11] <pixi> fishing? :)
[06:11] <myTB|Tanuva> hm... DO you use emech?
[06:11] <myTB|Tanuva> ah no its typed phishing. I always think of the german word "Fisch" what means 'fish'...
[06:11] <pixi> oh.. no.. not that I'm aware of :P.. I'm just using the irc client that came with KDE. konversation
[06:12] <pixi> hehe :D
[06:13] <pixi> the message from irc.undernet.org (the oparator there reported my IP to my OSP) goes as follows:
[06:13] <kunwon1> your box could be compromised
[06:13] <SmokeyD> hey guys, is wine not available in Kubuntu feisty?
[06:13] <pixi> "(...) The exploit appears to have been installed through a hole running on its webmin package, that runs normally on port 1000(...)"
[06:13] <kunwon1> you have to add repositories
[06:13] <kunwon1> smokeyd
[06:14] <SmokeyD> ok, which one?
[06:14] <kunwon1> there are details on the WINE website, they have their own repos for deb/ubuntu
[06:14] <stdin> SmokeyD: universe
[06:14] <kunwon1> or, universe
[06:14] <myTB|Tanuva> ahm... how may I find out if libsensors was compiled with sysfs support?
[06:14] <Tm_T> SmokeyD: packages.ubuntu.com helps when you need to find packages :)
[06:14] <stdin> SmokeyD: or apt:/ in konqueror :)
[06:14] <myTB|Tanuva> but the wine repos contain the newer packages
[06:15] <stdin> myTB|Tanuva: nope
[06:15] <pixi> kunwon: how do I go about checking if I'm compromised with this bot-thing?... I don't even use port 10000 for webmin.. port 10000 is routed to my set top box :S :P
[06:15] <stdin> myTB|Tanuva: the ubuntu one is the most recent actually (for feisty)
[06:15] <myTB|Tanuva> for feisty... that may be true
[06:16] <kunwon1> pixi, if that's the case, then it may yet be a phishing attempt
[06:16] <fdoving> pixi: check if /var/tmp/.cache exists, is there any content?
[06:16] <geniusvicks> how do I add a program to the Apps menu in the desktop
[06:17] <pixi> no there isn't a .cache
[06:17] <pixi> neither in my server or my pc
[06:17] <pixi> only kdecache-<username>
[06:20] <fdoving> pixi: ok, install the package 'chkrootkit' and run the command 'chkrootkit' in a konsole shell as root (with sudo)
[06:20] <pixi> fdoving: ok.. I'll do that
[06:20] <epimeth> I lost my hda's!!!!!!
[06:21] <epimeth> hda is now sda....
[06:21] <epimeth> what is hdc???
[06:21] <epimeth> cuz sdc didn't work :-(
[06:22] <epimeth> anyone! please! my music!!!!
[06:22] <DaSkreech> epimeth: calm down
[06:22] <DaSkreech> What are you doing?
[06:22] <epimeth> :-)
[06:23] <epimeth> I'm trying to mount what was until a minute ago hdc
[06:23] <epimeth> hdc 1,2,3,5,6
[06:23] <epimeth> the device, aparently, does not exist
[06:23] <epimeth> hda1 and hda2 did not, either...
[06:23] <DaSkreech> epimeth: can you confirm that?
[06:23] <pixi> fdoving: ok, I did that.. and both my server and my pc returned not-found/not-infected.. etc at every line
[06:23] <epimeth> mount told me that sd3 was mounted as /
[06:24] <epimeth> so I changed hda1 2 to sda1 2 and that works
[06:25] <epimeth> DaSkreech: confirm that what?
[06:25] <pixi> fdoving: or how am I supposed to interpret this chkroot output?.. is it supposed to give me a "WARNING" or something?
[06:25] <pixi> eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[5222] )
[06:25] <pixi> I got that for instance
[06:25] <pixi> under a Checking: line
[06:26] <Jezzuz> ello
[06:26] <Jezzuz> recently changed my monitor with another and xfce refuses to show an option for the 1024-resolution ... is that somthing common ? already checked xorg.conf ... there the res is listed
[06:26] <pixi> fdoving: but I don't think that really is anything
[06:27] <fdoving> pixi: you should check. install the package 'debsums'
[06:28] <DaSkreech> epimeth: that it's gone
[06:28] <DaSkreech> epimeth: are you comfortable with the terminal?
[06:28] <epimeth> DaSkreech: very
[06:28] <fdoving> pixi: then run 'debsums dhcp3-client' in a konsole.
[06:29] <pixi> fdoving:running.. this is taking time :P
[06:29] <pixi> oh
[06:29] <pixi> iI just wrote 'debsums' <enter>
[06:29] <fdoving> pixi: you can run a complete check later, first check just that package. cancel with ctrl-c.
[06:30] <pixi> fdoving: done.. all ok
[06:30] <pixi> with the dhcp3-client I mean.. I never did a full scan
[06:30] <DaSkreech> epimeth: ok and /dev/hd <tab> <tab> gives you nothing?
[06:30] <fdoving> pixi: good, then dhclient3 is OK. did chkrootkit say anything else?
[06:31] <epimeth> DaSkreech: okay... checked through /dev/ again... noticed that sdb had 1-6... mounted those and checked... it was it
[06:32] <epimeth> DaSkreech: why would hda -> sda and hdc -> sdb ???
[06:32] <fdoving> pixi: can you make a list of all processes, 'ps aux > $HOME/process-list.txt' and publish it somewhere (like rafb.net/paste) - i can see if there are any processes i don't recognize.
[06:33] <fdoving> pixi: first, 'debsums procps'. to make sure the 'ps' command isn't compromised.
[06:33] <DaSkreech> epimeth: SATA drives?
[06:33] <pixi> fdoving: no nothing particular
[06:33] <pixi> fdoving: just not-founds and etc
[06:34] <pixi> fdoving: ok.. jus a minute
[06:35] <epimeth> DaSkreech: IDE
[06:35] <DaSkreech> epimeth: Confused IDE controller? :-)
[06:37] <Skuller> the dvd's which i burnt in nero as multisession (gave a warnin b4 burning that they wont be read in other os's cept xp sp2)...any probs in kubuntu with their handling?
[06:38] <pasquale> ciao
[06:38] <bobesponja> hey all
[06:38] <pasquale> sono nuovo qui
[06:38] <pasquale> posso chiedervi una cosa_
[06:39] <bobesponja> I reboot my winxp box and now when I do ls /media/samba_share I get ' Invalid slot'
[06:39] <pixi> fdoving
[06:39] <pasquale> ei c-[ qualcuno_
[06:39] <pixi> fdoving: http://pixtor.no-ip.com/
[06:39] <bobesponja> how can I get my samba share back?
[06:39] <pasquale> ma qui siete tutti inglesi
[06:39] <pasquale> Im pasquale
[06:39] <pasquale> hello
[06:40] <pasquale> I living in italy
[06:41] <fdoving> pixi: checking.
[06:43] <fdoving> pixi: can't see anything evil.
[06:43] <fdoving> pixi: are you up2date on updates?
[06:44] <pixi> fdoving: on my pc.. yes... on my server.. no.. not very
[06:45] <fdoving> pixi: i belive the server (the one running pixtor.no-ip.com to the public) would be the obvious target.
[06:46] <pixi> yeah.. :).. I figured as much myself..  But I've changed the root password and my user pass..  well.. yeah.. what's left?.. a total reformat and fresh updated install?
[06:46] <pixi> I don't seem to be able to find anything open
[06:47] <pixi> I have a very limited set of ports open to the server
[06:47] <bobesponja> anybody knows how can I get my samba share back?
[06:47] <bobesponja> I reboot my winxp box and now when I do ls /media/samba_share I get ' Invalid slot'
[06:47] <pixi> could it be that my windows machines are infected?
[06:48] <fdoving> pixi: that is more likely. but some of the attackers use perl/php cgi scripts to access your server with apaches privileges.
[06:49] <fdoving> pixi: badly written scripts can do that to you. there was a problem in awstats.pl some time ago.
[06:49] <pixi> fdoving: yeah.. the operator claimed the hole could be in webmin.. which is based on cgi scripts
[06:50] <pixi> fdoving: I think I'll just shut down webmin.. I never use it really.. the console is much mor usable to me :P
[06:51] <fdoving> pixi: sounds like a plan.
[06:51] <pixi> fdoving: well thanks for your time :).. it was very.. educational :D.. see ya!
[06:52] <fdoving> pixi: my pleasure :)
[06:54] <PhinnFort> something is very wrong...
[06:54] <PhinnFort> every time i open a new tab in konqueror, a konsole opens
[06:56] <PhinnFort> everytime i use a ctrl+[anything] , a konsole opens...
[06:56] <PhinnFort> ctrl+v, ctrl+t, etc.
[06:57] <BluesKaj> you've got konsole linked to all apps
[06:57] <PhinnFort> only konqi, it seems
[06:57] <PhinnFort> but i haven't changed any of my shortcuts
[06:58] <PhinnFort> it seems it's only ctrl+c and ctrl+t
[06:58] <miltos> hi ppl:-)
[06:59] <rigved> hi... can anyone pls help me with enabling write permissions to a hard disc
[06:59] <miltos> finally i managed to print to my printer HP PSC 1400 from Kubuntu attached to a Windowz box....
[06:59] <PhinnFort> rigved: ntfs?
[07:00] <rigved> no just a sec pls PhinnFort
[07:00] <rigved> i ll see
[07:00] <root_> zzz
[07:00] <root_> zz
[07:00] <rigved> PhinnFort: it was a ntfs windows partition which i ve changed to a linux partition
[07:01] <PhinnFort> rigved: is it an internal or external harddrive?
[07:01] <rigved> internal
[07:01] <rigved> reiserfs	
[07:01] <PhinnFort> and you can't write to it?
[07:01] <miltos> For those that HP PSC 1400 hooked to a Windowz doesn't work uncheck the bidirectional communication, and it will print like a charm...
[07:01] <rigved> no
[07:01] <rigved> PhinnFort do u know how it can be done
[07:02] <PhinnFort> can you paste the output of "dmesg | tail"
[07:02] <rigved> ya sure
[07:02] <PhinnFort> !paste
[07:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:02] <PhinnFort> just in case;)
[07:02] <rigved> [17179658.984000]  Bluetooth: Core ver 2.8
[07:02] <rigved> [17179658.984000]  NET: Registered protocol family 31
[07:02] <rigved> [17179658.984000]  Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized
[07:02] <PhinnFort> !paste | rigved
[07:02] <ubotu> rigved: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:03] <rigved> [17179658.984000]  Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
[07:03] <PhinnFort> rigved: rather do "dmesg | grep hd"
[07:03] <rigved> [17179659.032000]  Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8
[07:03] <rigved> [17179659.032000]  Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
[07:03] <rigved> [17179659.064000]  Bluetooth: HIDP (Human Interface Emulation) ver 1.1-mh1
[07:03] <rigved> [17179659.108000]  Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized
[07:03] <rigved> [17179659.108000]  Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized
[07:03] <rigved> [17179659.108000]  Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.7
[07:03] <rigved> [17179574.292000]      ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
[07:03] <rigved> [17179574.292000]      ide1: BM-DMA at 0xffa8-0xffaf, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio
[07:03] <rigved> [17179575.028000]  hda: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4167B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[07:03] <rigved> [17179575.944000]  hda: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
[07:03] <rigved> [17179576.352000]  SCSI device sda: 78242976 512-byte hdwr sectors (40060 MB)
[07:03] <rigved> [17179576.352000]  SCSI device sda: 78242976 512-byte hdwr sectors (40060 MB)
[07:04] <PhinnFort> rigved: rather do "dmesg | grep -i reiser", and please use the pastebin
[07:04] <PhinnFort> :D
[07:04] <PhinnFort> !paste
[07:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:04] <DigitDial> Pastebin seems to be a neat little service. I'm likin it.
[07:05] <PhinnFort> !perms
[07:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about perms - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:05] <PhinnFort> !permissions
[07:05] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[07:06] <miltos> does beryl run on any 3D accelerating video card?
[07:06] <PhinnFort> miltos: depends
[07:06] <jeff_> ati support sucks hope you have a nvidia card
[07:06] <PhinnFort> miltos: if you have 3d-acceleration, you should be able to get it working no matter what card you have
[07:06] <PhinnFort> with xgl
[07:06] <DigitDial> Personally, I haven't been able to get it to work properly on an ATI X1950XTX.
[07:06] <PhinnFort> *3d-acc working under ubuntu, that is
[07:07] <miltos> PhinnFort, xgl is different from beryl?
[07:07] <rigved> PhinnFort i did that thing and used the pastebin
[07:07] <PhinnFort> jeff_: i have an ati working perfectly, with aiglx
[07:07] <DigitDial> That's just me though, I'm sorta noobish.
[07:07] <PhinnFort> rigved: now, give me the URL to the paste you pasted;)
[07:07] <rigved> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11538/
[07:08] <PhinnFort> miltos: XGL is a program that enables all those cool effects, but it's replaced by AIGLX which is built into the graphics server (Xorg)
[07:08] <PhinnFort> unfortunately AIGLX isn't supported by all drivers
[07:08] <PhinnFort> rigved: thanks;)
[07:08] <rigved> PhinnFort thanks 2 u man for helping out
[07:08] <PhinnFort> rigved: no problem
[07:09] <PhinnFort> rigved: can you try to run Konqueror (file manager) in root mode?
[07:09] <PhinnFort> I think it's under "System" on the K-menu
[07:10] <rigved> PhinnFort how do i do that.. is Konqueror under sytem?
[07:10] <PhinnFort> rigved: if it isn't there, you can hit "alt+f2" and type in "kdesu konqueror"
[07:10] <rigved> ok
[07:10] <PhinnFort> then hit enter
[07:10] <PhinnFort> enter your password and click "ok"
[07:10] <rigved> PhinnFort ok i did that
[07:11] <PhinnFort> now you should be able to browse your filesystem
[07:11] <PhinnFort> rigved: have you set a mount-point for your harddrive?
[07:11] <miltos> is there any CAD application running on kubuntu?
[07:11] <rigved> no :(
[07:11] <rigved> i cant even see that hard disc anyumore
[07:11] <PhinnFort> rigved: in Konqueror, go to the address "/"
[07:12] <rigved> ok
[07:12] <PhinnFort> then go into the folder "media"
[07:12] <rigved> ok
[07:12] <PhinnFort> is there any folders there?
[07:12] <rigved> CDROM
[07:12] <PhinnFort> only cdrom?
[07:12] <rigved> ya
[07:12] <PhinnFort> try going to the address "media:/"
[07:12] <rigved> PhinnFortit says does not exizt
[07:12] <PhinnFort> now you should see all your harddrives
[07:13] <PhinnFort> did you type correctly?    media:/
[07:13] <rigved> PhinnFort oops so sorry
[07:13] <PhinnFort> ;)
[07:13] <rigved> PhinnFort typed it wiht an / in the beginning
[07:13] <PhinnFort> no problem
[07:13] <rigved> PhinnFort ok it has listed all the discs
[07:13] <PhinnFort> "media:/" is a special virtual folder containing your disks
[07:14] <PhinnFort> rigved: is your new reiser disk there?
[07:14] <pollyo> Hello
[07:14] <rigved> PhinnFort o ok... do i now just chnge the permissions here
[07:14] <rigved> yes
[07:14] <PhinnFort> can you go into it?
[07:14] <PhinnFort> and can you change files there?
[07:14] <rigved> yes... even the permissions thing is not disabled
[07:14] <PhinnFort> can you create new files there?
[07:14] <pollyo> Anyone know if you can run windows in something like quem underlinux?  I've ran linux with quem under windows and now I want to see if it works the other way.
[07:14] <rigved> PhinnFort woooooaaaah
[07:15] <PhinnFort> pollyo: yes
[07:15] <rigved> PhinnFort yes i can!!!
[07:15] <pollyo> PhinnFort: Great.
[07:15] <PhinnFort> rigved: go back to "media:/" and right click on the disk and click "properties"
[07:15] <rigved> PhinnFort can i just change its permissions from here
[07:15] <rigved> ya
[07:15] <pollyo> PhinnFort: Do you have any suggestions on what to search for to find information on it?
[07:15] <PhinnFort> rigved: then change the permissions
[07:15] <PhinnFort> pollyo: google for qemu windows
[07:15] <PhinnFort> maybe add xp or 2k
[07:15] <pollyo> PhinnFort: Ok!  will do.  Thank you.
[07:16] <PhinnFort> !qemu
[07:16] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[07:16] <PhinnFort> !qemu | pollyo
[07:16] <ubotu> pollyo: please see above
[07:16] <pollyo> PhinnFort: Even better.  Thanks.
[07:16] <PhinnFort> np
[07:16] <rigved> PhinnFort hey thank you so much....
[07:16] <PhinnFort> rigved: you're welcome;)
[07:17] <rigved> PhinnFort i m able to do all that i want here.. can i just ask one more last question
[07:17] <PhinnFort> ok
[07:17] <PhinnFort> you're granted one last question;)
[07:17] <alexicon> !jack
[07:17] <ubotu> jack: Rip and encode CDs with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.1+cvs20050801-11 (edgy), package size 125 kB, installed size 580 kB
[07:17] <rigved> PhinnFort i m developing PHP sites and only after giving r w e permissions on all the files can i view them in my local browser
[07:18] <alexicon> :/
[07:18] <rigved> PhinnFort now when i upload them back to server wud that be a security hassle
[07:18] <PhinnFort> !jackd
[07:18] <ubotu> jackd: JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.101.1-1 (edgy), package size 94 kB, installed size 352 kB
[07:18] <PhinnFort> rigved: you mean you have a local webserver?
[07:18] <rigved> yes
[07:18] <rigved> PhinnFort apacje
[07:18] <rigved> oops apache
[07:19] <PhinnFort> rigved: try setting only world read
[07:19] <PhinnFort> just r
[07:19] <rigved> PhinnFort but wud that let me view them in my local server browser?
[07:19] <PhinnFort> set Others to Read, and apache should be able to run them
[07:19] <rigved> PhinnFort ok
[07:20] <rigved> PhinnFort thanks again
[07:20] <PhinnFort> np;)
[07:20] <rigved> PhinnFort how old r u brother
[07:20] <PhinnFort> 18;)
[07:20] <rigved> wow
[07:20] <rigved> PhinnFort i feel like i ve wasted most of my life... i m 32
[07:20] <rigved> PhinnFort anyway better late than never
[07:21] <PhinnFort> heh, i'm the one who's wasting my life, in an irc server;)
[07:21] <PhinnFort> *channel
[07:21] <rigved> PhinnFort lol
[07:21] <PhinnFort> :D
[07:21] <rigved> PhinnFort u r helping out man!!
[07:21] <rigved> PhinnFort not wasting
[07:21] <PhinnFort> rigved: someone has to do that too;)
[07:21] <rigved> PhinnFort r u from denmark
[07:21] <PhinnFort> norway;)
[07:21] <rigved> PhinnFort is that in denmark?
[07:21] <PhinnFort> nope, it's a bit north of denmar
[07:21] <rigved> PhinnFort foolish of me isnt it
[07:21] <PhinnFort> k
[07:22] <PhinnFort> ;)
[07:22] <rigved> PhinnFort cool... yesterday a 15 year old boy from denmark helped me set this windows ntfs partition to linux!
[07:22] <PhinnFort> crazy;)
[07:22] <rigved> PhinnFort today u helped me put it to use\
[07:23] <rigved> PhinnFort i m indebted to europe
[07:23] <PhinnFort> hehe
[07:23] <PhinnFort> and africa, since ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical, which is based in South-Africa
[07:23] <rigved> PhinnFort lol
[07:23] <PhinnFort> ;)
[07:23] <PhinnFort> it's rather international
[07:23] <rigved> PhinnFort tell me one thing... how do open source developers make a living if everything is free
[07:24] <PhinnFort> rigved: different ways
[07:24] <PhinnFort> some are paid by different companies like Novell, RedHat or Canonical
[07:24] <PhinnFort> those in turn sell support and pre-packaged linux
[07:24] <PhinnFort> some do it in their free-time
[07:24] <PhinnFort> *sparetime
[07:24] <rigved> PhinnFort its really amazing
[07:24] <PhinnFort> yeah;)
[07:25] <PhinnFort> and many are students in different universities around the world
[07:25] <rigved> PhinnFort r u affiliaaated to them too or r u a freelancer or a student
[07:25] <PhinnFort> most of KDE (the desktop thingies) best developers are students
[07:25] <rigved> wow
[07:25] <PhinnFort> rigved: i'm just freelancing
[07:25] <rigved> web?
[07:25] <PhinnFort> i'm supposed to be writing a physics report now
[07:25] <rigved> lol
[07:25] <PhinnFort> ;)
[07:26] <rigved> PhinnFort u cud write about the physics involved in the necessary gravitation toward linux after using windows
[07:26] <PhinnFort> hehehe;)
[07:26] <PhinnFort> not if i want to get into NTNU (a norwegian university) next year
[07:27] <fiyawerx> anyone have luck with the 8800gts video cards and kubuntu?
[07:27] <rigved> u cud make it a totally meta-physical issue out of it so that they directly employ u there as professor
[07:27] <PhinnFort> :P
[07:27] <PhinnFort> in my dreams, maybe;)
[07:28] <rigved> PhinnFort u already know so much.... i m banking on 10% of knowledge as compared to u... what do u want to do in ur life
[07:28] <rigved> what do u want to be
[07:28] <PhinnFort> i want to deal with computers for a living
[07:28] <rigved> arent u doing that already
[07:28] <PhinnFort> i'm not earning anything out of it;)
[07:29] <rigved> u can easily
[07:29] <PhinnFort> maybe work for Qt (which makes some underlying for KDE), Opera (with the web-browser) or FunCom (makes games)
[07:29] <rigved> unless ur not really into it at the moment
[07:29] <PhinnFort> well, school takes a lot of time
[07:29] <rigved> true
[07:29] <rigved> anyway
[07:29] <PhinnFort> i need to sleep to
[07:29] <PhinnFort> ;)
[07:29] <fiyawerx> no you dont :)
[07:29] <rigved> it was nice talking to u PhinnFort
[07:30] <PhinnFort> thanks the same;)
[07:30] <rigved> thanks 2 u brother... u helped!
[07:30] <PhinnFort> fiyawerx: well, we're supposed to play d'n'd tonight, so i guess not
[07:30] <PhinnFort> rigved: no problem, you're welcome;)
[07:30] <fiyawerx> plenty of time to sleep when your dead
[07:30] <rigved> PhinnFort bye... take care and good luck with ur physics report!
[07:30] <PhinnFort> thank you, and good luck with your linux adventures;)
[07:31] <rigved> ha ha ha thank you
[07:31] <Skuller> fiyawerx: our luck on the cash side isnt there for an 8800gtx...so cant reali help with the OS ;)
[07:32] <fiyawerx> Skuller, ditto, thats why i went with the gts :) 320mb, lot cheaper, still nice performance
[07:32] <ScarFreewill> i know about !a$k but can i ask a java question?
[07:32] <fiyawerx> i've already ordered a new system, kubuntu compat. wasn't my first concern, so just wondering how it'll end up
[07:32] <Skuller> fiyawerx: cool...btw is it a gts or a gs?
[07:33] <fiyawerx> gts
[07:33] <Skuller> oh ok...nice
[07:33] <fiyawerx> spent 1k on the system, already have k/m/lcd tho
[07:33] <ScarFreewill> i'm tring to make a simple input dailog with JOptionPane... but want a default value for my input field... this is how i'm trying to do it: javax.swing.JOptionPane.INPUT_VALUE_PROPERTY = "string"
[07:33] <Skuller> hehe nice
[07:34] <ScarFreewill> fiyawerx: you got a 8800?
[07:34] <fiyawerx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130082
[07:34] <fiyawerx> is the card i ordered
[07:34] <Morbo> Overkill, much?
[07:34] <ScarFreewill> i've got a 7900gt i've had it for a year and i'm not going to upgrade soon...
[07:35] <Morbo> That costs more than my MythTV box
[07:35] <ScarFreewill> (soon as in 2 years)
[07:35] <fiyawerx> overkill? the gtx would have been overkill
[07:35] <Morbo> Granted, most of it is salvage and the like
[07:35] <ScarFreewill> yeah ;)
[07:35] <fiyawerx> nod, but you generally wont be playing supreme commander on a mythtv box :)
[07:35] <ScarFreewill> evga is good
[07:36] <fiyawerx> had some $$ left from taxes/work bonus, and my current machine is a 2 year old hp media center
[07:37] <fiyawerx> even trying to upgrade the power supply in the hp is damn near impossible, so even most lesser cards i wouldn't have been able to get working nice
[07:37] <ScarFreewill> its x2 as much as I payed for my 79gt more than a year ago
[07:38] <fiyawerx> yeah i was looking at the 7950gt for a bit too
[07:38] <fiyawerx> but this thing also outperforms that by almost x2
[07:38] <ScarFreewill> yeah and its got old technoligy
[07:45] <malone61a> slt
[07:48] <killermach__> for years when I type "vi thisfile.txt" I get an editor that when I press the " i " key it displays "INSERT" in the bottom right corner, with ubuntu I find that must type vim and not vi
[07:48] <killermach__> I goto /usr/bin/ and rm vi, ln -s vim vi ... but this still does not work
[07:48] <killermach__> I check .bashrc to find out where my "vi" is being hijacked and cannot locate it
[07:49] <killermach__> if I cp vim.tiny to vi .. this does not work either.. if I cp vim.tiny asdf then "asdf thisfile.txt" this works
[07:49] <killermach__> something is hijacking the two letter launch for "vi"
[07:50] <killermach__> what is the "broken version" of vi and how do I get rid of it
[07:50] <killermach__> ?
[07:51] <killermach__> no one here edits code?
[07:51] <MinceR> killermach__: check what file "which vi" points you to
[07:52] <killermach__> MinceR: that would be /usr/bin/vi, if I rm /usr/bin/vi then type vi  I get command not found
[07:52] <killermach__> then I ln -s /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/vi
[07:52] <MinceR> type rehash in your shell and try again
[07:52] <killermach__> and this does not work
[07:52] <killermach__> a simple "vi" always launches some broken editor
[07:53] <MinceR> or maybe your shell has an alias
[07:53] <MinceR> you can list them with alias
[07:53] <killermach__> rehash not found
[07:53] <easytiger> whats the kde version of the program in gnome that does auto updates?
[07:53] <killermach__> alias does not expose anything for vi
[07:54] <MinceR> then you probably don't need to rehash. i'm a zsh user :)
[07:54] <MinceR> i don't have more ideas
[07:54] <wimpies> any of you ever experienced konqueror hanging on a local directory read ?
[07:54] <killermach__> can I simply uninstall the broken vi and only have the one that's useable installed?
[07:55] <easytiger> killermach__: whats wrong witht he vi?
[07:57] <dmbkiwi> Hello
[07:57] <dmbkiwi> Does kaudiocreator use cdparanoia as a ripping tool, and if so, is there a way to turn off paranoia, so it rips faster?
[07:58] <killermach__> easytiger: I press " i " I do not get "INSERT" mode
[07:59] <easytiger> killermach__: remove it completely and try again
[07:59] <killermach__> easytiger: my problem is not with vi.. I understand there are two versions installed and I apparently prefer vim
[08:00] <fiyawerx> just out of curiosity, is typing vim thisfile.txt really that much harder that its a problem?
[08:00] <acemo> how do i install gecko-sdk?
[08:00] <killermach__> I use RHEL, mandrake, mandriva, suse and knoppix.. I only have this issue on ubuntu installs
[08:01] <fiyawerx> killermach__: when i type i, it doesn't *say* insert, but it goes into insert just the same, did you try typing after your i?
[08:03] <killermach__> fiyawerx: if we were to scientifically evaluate it by not only the number of keystrokes involved but also by the distance the finger travel must also add, plus calories consumed, then yes accounting for the cost is far too involved, it would be better to delete vi  and link vim to vi
[08:03] <kinux> is someone from romania?
[08:04] <fiyawerx> killermach__: what about the second part? i just tested with 'vi' and then 'i' and it does go into insert mode, even tho it doesn't *say* it
[08:04] <fiyawerx> im on a default 6.10 install
[08:04] <killermach__> my problem is that ubuntu keeps hijacking "vi" to run "vi" even after I rm -rf /usr/bin/vi, and ln -s /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/vi, this still does not get me to vim while only typing vi
[08:04] <fiyawerx> you're using sudo for the ln, right?
[08:05] <fiyawerx> oh.. wait a minute
[08:05] <fiyawerx> when i type 'vi'
[08:05] <fiyawerx> it starts 'vim'
[08:05] <fiyawerx> what version of kubuntu you on?
[08:05] <killermach__> fiyawerx: oh.. but if it doesn't say "INSERT" then the keycommands are not the same, I butcher the file in this old vi editor
[08:06] <killermach__> 6.1
[08:07] <fiyawerx> im on a fresh install of 6.1 myself, when i type 'vi', i get this: http://rafb.net/p/FaqQd486.html
[08:07] <killermach__> I jsut don't understand.. that if I rm /usr/bin/vi, then ln -s /usr/bin/vim.tiny /usr/bin/vi I still do not get vim.tiny to run when I type vi.. what' sup with that?
[08:08] <fiyawerx> and insert mode is working just like i would expect insert mode to
[08:08] <fiyawerx> even tho it doesn't *say* insert
[08:08] <fiyawerx> not sure what commands your trying that normally work in insert mode that don't work in 'vi'
[08:09] <waylandbill> fiyawerx: I think it doesn't by default, but .vimrc can change that easily.
[08:09] <killermach__> if you press CTRL+G do you see what line/column you are in?
[08:10] <fiyawerx> when not in insert mode, yes
[08:12] <fiyawerx> i see what your saying, vim has the status line
[08:12] <killermach__> waylandbill: ok.. I found /etc/vim/vimrc  not sure what to fix tho
[08:12] <fiyawerx> vi is vim in vi compatibilty mode, i think the very first screen tells you how to fix it
[08:12] <fiyawerx> ~                type  :set nocp<Enter>        for Vim defaults
[08:12] <fiyawerx> try that in 'vi' and see if that gets you what you want
[08:12] <killermach__> fiyawerx: then you are in the vi I wish to be, if I type vi thisfile.txt, CTRL+G I get nada
[08:12] <waylandbill> set nocompatibility I thinkg
[08:12] <fiyawerx> yeah
[08:12] <Ryiel> Guys, I've got a linux-proof laptop. I installed ubuntu on it and no sound. I found out that there is an IRQ crash that causes the no sound thing. (It says no device) Though this onboard intel8x0 ac97 soundcard works well under windows. There is no option to change irq in bios. Any clue?
[08:14] <BluesKaj> Ryiel, that soundcard should work fine , prolly just needs a linux driver for it
[08:15] <kristjan_> Ryiel: boot with option   irqpoll
[08:16] <Ryiel> BluesKaj: there is irq crash. I even compiled the alsa drivers.
[08:16] <Ryiel> kristjan_: How to do that? :) (Im a bit newbie)
[08:16] <killermach__> all that started with vi because dpkg-reconfigure xorg just drops to a commandline .. does nothing
[08:16] <edward_> hi everyon... in feisty only the old edgy 2.6.17-10 kernel works for me... the new kernels say something like "VFS error cannot load OS on block 0,0"
[08:16] <kristjan_> Ryiel: no need to compile anything. your soundcard should work out of box with linux
[08:17] <killermach__> xorg was loading in 640x480, and I was needing to edit xorg.conf
[08:17] <Ryiel> kristjan_: how to boot with that irqpoll?
[08:17] <kristjan_> Ryiel: how to add boot option? reboot pc and then grub loads hit Esc
[08:17] <killermach__> anyone know what I'm missing from dpkg-reconfigure xorg to make it work?
[08:17] <Ryiel> oh, ok, i try that
[08:17] <kristjan_> Ryiel: actually wait
[08:18] <Ryiel> yep?
[08:18] <BluesKaj> do you have more than one sound card on the computer , Ryiel?
[08:18] <kristjan_> Ryiel: let's do it in more convinient way
[08:18] <Ryiel> nope, thats a laptop
[08:18] <fiyawerx> isn't it dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:18] <Ryiel> Asus M3N laptop
[08:18] <kristjan_> Ryiel: paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst       use http://pastebin.ca/
[08:19] <BluesKaj> Ryiel, check your peripherals in the BIOS , make sure the sound isn't disabled
[08:19] <Ryiel> i cannot even disable sounds
[08:19] <killermach__> fiyawerx: probably.. but from the commandline dpkg-reconfigure gave no complaints
[08:19] <Ryiel> this bios is soo stupid
[08:19] <Ryiel> but i've got sound under winxp
[08:19] <Ryiel> kristjan_: starting up...
[08:20] <jhutchins> Ryiel: Asus usually posts bios updates for their current hardware.  It's usually a good idea to update to whatever they have on their web site.
[08:20] <Emperor_Norton> I'm trying to compile the desklist plugin for kopete
[08:20] <BluesKaj> look at peripherals in BIOS
[08:20] <Emperor_Norton> but I have no idea where kde is located
[08:20] <Emperor_Norton> :s
[08:20] <N6REJ> can anyone think of any solid reason why my server would not show up in a windows envirorment even though I have samba and cups installed?
[08:21] <Emperor_Norton> is it on the right domain?
[08:21] <N6REJ> no I don't think so.
[08:22] <BluesKaj> check your shares on the windows pc
[08:22] <N6REJ> Emperor_Norton: its chosing my isp's domain instead of my lan
[08:22] <Emperor_Norton> :/
[08:22] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: other windows box's can see and share
[08:22] <Ryiel> kristjan_: http://www.pastebin.ca/406869
[08:22] <Ryiel> jhutchins: thanks, im looking for bios update right now
[08:23] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: this is really weird because I've installed ubuntu numerous times without problems albeit normally as a desktop and this time I've installed using the server distro and manually adding the kde packages. and its giving me grief.
[08:24] <N6REJ> Emperor_Norton: how do I set a domian for just local?  These are all nat'd machines.
[08:24] <Emperor_Norton> I have no idea, I just remember having trouble with this when I set up samba/cups
[08:24] <N6REJ> Emperor_Norton: lol, thats a start
[08:25] <Emperor_Norton> stupid question, what is the path to kde?
[08:25] <N6REJ> or sudo apt-cache show kde
[08:25] <Emperor_Norton> ohh
[08:25] <Emperor_Norton> thanks
[08:26] <N6REJ> yw
[08:26] <N6REJ> Emperor_Norton: you might need sudo apt-cache show kde-base
[08:26] <Dekkard> lots of feistey users?
[08:26] <N6REJ> Emperor_Norton: or worst case sudo locate kde   but if you do that one hang onto your seat
[08:26] <kristjan_> Ryiel: http://pastebin.ca/406872 what for you need acpi=off ?
[08:27] <kristjan_> Ryiel: and pci=biosirq pci=usepirqmask?
[08:28] <Emperor_Norton> whereis worked
[08:28] <Emperor_Norton> cheers
[08:28] <Ryiel> kristjan_:  acpi because i couldnt install ubuntu on it without turning it off
[08:28] <Ryiel> pci=biosirq, i got some hints and tried themn
[08:28] <Ryiel> but no luck
[08:30] <kristjan_> Ryiel: you know what http://pastebin.ca/406885 < try this instead 1st boot irqpoll line and then try acpi boot line
[08:30] <killermach__> sheesh.. I "alias vi='/usr/bin/vim'  and vi still does not get me vim
[08:31] <chalcedonynhubby> i really hope somebody is here who can help
[08:31] <jhutchins> So do I.
[08:31] <waylandbill> killermach_: did you install a package to put in vi, cause vim is installed in kubuntu by default.
[08:31] <chalcedonynhubby> :)
[08:31] <Ryiel> kristjan_: i just copy the recent one over with it?
[08:32] <Emperor_Norton> ffs
[08:32] <Emperor_Norton> the plugin compiled
[08:32] <Emperor_Norton> and installed
[08:32] <xerosis> where is the keyboard shortcuts file stored? no settings are being applied so i think it's wrong chowned
[08:32] <Emperor_Norton> but isn't showing up
[08:32] <kristjan_> Ryiel: yeah. don't forget to add one empty line in the end (not sure if needed)
[08:32] <killermach__> waylandbill: I'm in synaptic looking..
[08:32] <chalcedonynhubby> what i'm trying to do is help my husband (who has disabilites) download a program to do taxes called gnucash .. i'm not sure how?
[08:32] <fiyawerx> killermach__: both vi and vim seem to start 'vim', its just that vi starts it in compatibility mode
[08:32] <wolferine> what is the best way to install apache, php and mysql on kubuntu?
[08:32] <fiyawerx> its the same program in different modes, gotta find the config thats telling it to do so
[08:33] <kristjan_> Ryiel: all I did to your meny.lst was adding those two other boot options, wverything else is same
[08:33] <wolferine> run a VM machine, and install the server?
[08:33] <Dekkard> chalcedonynhubby:  do you know how to use the terminal?
[08:33] <xerosis> wolferine: all are in the repos
[08:33] <jhutchins> chalcedonynhubby: apt-get install gnucash
[08:33] <killermach__> there is no "vi" package, it goes from vgrabbj to vic, to videogen
[08:33] <chalcedonynhubby> Dekkard, on my box yes. i run ubuntu on gnome.
[08:33] <Ryiel> kristjan_: ok, im acutally helping my friend online who doesnt know english at all ;)
[08:33] <wolferine> yes, but its the after install (setup) I am more worried about
[08:33] <jhutchins> chalcedonynhubby: sorry, sudo apt-get install gnucash
[08:33] <chalcedonynhubby> jhutchins, he has kubuntu
[08:33] <xerosis> wolferine: all work out of the box for me
[08:34] <chalcedonynhubby> i'm on his KDE box.. everything is different
[08:34] <jhutchins> chalcedonynhubby: Works either way, I just forgot the sudo.
[08:34] <killermach__> fiyawerx: I copy /etc/vim/vimrc.tiny to vimrc.local and then I ONLY get the old one
[08:34] <Dekkard> chalcedonynhubby:  you need to open konsole and type in sudo apt-get install gnucash
[08:34] <jhutchins> !software | chalcedonynhubby
[08:34] <ubotu> chalcedonynhubby: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[08:34] <wolferine> so did you install each seperately, or one at a time, ( I know the order they must be installed)
[08:34] <xerosis> wolferine: shouldn't matter really
[08:35] <Dekkard> is koffice up to bleeding edge on feisty?
[08:35] <wolferine> well, you need to setup the php to run on mysql
[08:35] <jhutchins> Dekkard: #ubuntu+1
[08:35] <Dekkard> thanks jhutchins
[08:35] <xerosis> wolferine: all the config is done after
[08:35] <chalcedonynhubby> vir% sudo apt-get install gnucash
[08:35] <chalcedonynhubby> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:35] <chalcedonynhubby> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:35] <chalcedonynhubby> vir%
[08:36] <chijin> shut down adept
[08:36] <chijin> or synaptic
[08:36] <Dekkard> chalcedonynhubby:  do you have adept or synaptic open?
[08:36] <chijin> or any other packet manager
[08:36] <killermach__> my major problem with the old version is I press some keystroke and it uppercases existing letters
[08:36] <chalcedonynhubby> aptitude?
[08:36] <chalcedonynhubby> yes
[08:36] <jhutchins> chalcedonynhubby: close any GUI package manager.
[08:36] <chalcedonynhubby> and i'll try
[08:36] <wolferine> but you are prompted to setup php with myswl during the install (or maybe its just because I select phpbb)?
[08:37] <xerosis> wolferine: if you're just installed the packages you shouldn't have to
[08:37] <xerosis> *installing
[08:37] <wolferine> but if phpbb is included in those packages, I think  it prompts you to setup myswl
[08:37] <wolferine> mysql*
[08:37] <wolferine> keep missing that q
[08:37] <Ryiel> kristjan_: It dies on startup...
[08:37] <Ryiel> with both options
[08:37] <chalcedonynhubby> YIPPIE it's working!!
[08:38] <kristjan_> Ryiel: too bad
[08:38] <Ryiel> I know...
[08:38] <xerosis> wolferine: what is the problem, do you not know how to or...?
[08:38] <Ryiel> the saddest thing it works under winxp :(
[08:38] <kristjan_> Ryiel: out of my head try more options: pci=noacpi
[08:38] <kristjan_> Ryiel: noapic
[08:39] <Ryiel> we tried that alreay :)
[08:39] <Ryiel> already
[08:39] <wolferine> well, up until a day or two, I didnt realize the root password was blank
[08:39] <Ryiel> I told him to do bios update first
[08:39] <xerosis> wolferine: not trying to insult, you just seemed to know what you needed to do after you'd installed them?
[08:39] <wolferine> and I have tried to setup apache in the past, and I have found it hard at times, for example, setting up a www/ in my /home
[08:40] <xerosis> wolferine: have you read ubuntuguide.org?
[08:40] <wolferine> lol
[08:40] <kristjan_> Ryiel: so the only thing that helps is acpi=off?
[08:40] <wolferine> everyday man
[08:40] <wolferine> everyday
[08:40] <kristjan_> Ryiel: and then soundcard is not getting irq?
[08:40] <Ryiel> thats the only way it can run linux
[08:40] <Ryiel> nope, and it says no device
[08:40] <N6REJ> if you remove the search statement from  /etc/resolv.conf will it stay out?
[08:41] <xerosis> wolferine: setting up the users in apache is pretty hard in debian/ubuntu because of a quirk, i've struggled with it before
[08:41] <kristjan_> !acpi
[08:41] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[08:41] <kristjan_> lol
[08:41] <Ryiel> hehe
[08:41] <wolferine> well, I just dont know enough about file systems, which dir is what, how a symbolic links works, etc...
[08:41] <wolferine> else I think I could probably do it
[08:41] <kristjan_> Ryiel: not what we need ;)
[08:41] <wolferine> well, ill just go get the packages now
[08:41] <wolferine> bbiab
[08:42] <Ryiel> he doesnt know how to update bios now, he should install XP first to update bios :D
[08:42] <kristjan_> Ryiel: so you need to assign irq to your soundcard that does not get it while booting with acpi=off
[08:42] <Emperor_Norton> whats the program that is like launchy, but for kde called again?
[08:42] <chalcedonynhubby> vir% run gnucash
[08:42] <chalcedonynhubby> zsh: command not found: run
[08:42] <chalcedonynhubby> vir%
[08:42] <Emperor_Norton> gnucash on its own?
[08:42] <SeveredCross> Uhh...
[08:42] <Dekkard> just gnucash
[08:42] <SeveredCross> Just gnucash should work.
[08:42] <killermach__> ok..I understand it's launching the same app in diff modes. apparently based upon the command used to run it, so an "alias" should have the shell launch vim while only typing vi, but this does not work either, it's like the shell or distro has greater problems than I've ever run into
[08:42] <chalcedonynhubby> ok ty
[08:43] <Dekkard> katapult?
[08:43] <Emperor_Norton> <3
[08:43] <xerosis> killermach__: what's the problem?
[08:44] <Ryiel> kristjan_: i dont know how to assign that :(
[08:44] <TSWoodV> Greetings!  I'm a long-time *nix geek but a real short-timer on KDE.  Under Kubuntu, is there an icon in the K menu for the control center?  If there is, I didn't find it.
[08:44] <killermach__> xerosis: simplest put.. I'd like to type "vi" to get an editor which will display "INSERT" in the bottom right hand corner when I pre the " i " key
[08:45] <kristjan_> Ryiel: just to make sure I would try all of these boot options separately: noacpi apic pci=noacpi nolapic
[08:45] <xerosis> killermach__: i get INSERT in the bottom left?
[08:45] <killermach__> xerosis: I've never had to configure any "mode" for vi on any linux distro
[08:45] <xerosis> TSWoodV: System Settings?
[08:45] <kristjan_> Ryiel: I'm not kernel hacker myself, just that I have had acpi problems in the past
[08:45] <Ryiel> kristjan_: ok, im on it
[08:45] <killermach__> xerosis: well I'm trying to get my installation to be like yours :)
[08:46] <TSWoodV> xerosis: I don't think that's the same thing as kcontrol.  Is it some tuned variant?
[08:46] <xerosis> killermach__: what version is it?
[08:46] <fiyawerx> xerosis: when i type vim yes, when i type vi i don't get the *INSERT* either, it goes into insert mode but no status line
[08:46] <N6REJ> is there something that controls wether /etc/resolv.conf gets looked at first or last?
[08:46] <xerosis> TSWoodV: System Settings is  a new version of kcontrol
[08:46] <killermach__> ubuntu 6.10
[08:46] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: /etc/nsswitch.conf may be what you're looking for?
[08:46] <xerosis> TSWoodV: if you do alt+f2 then type kcontrol, it's still there
[08:46] <kristjan_> Ryiel: the correct list would be of most important boot options I think: noapic acpi=off pci=noacpi and nolapic
[08:46] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: thanks
[08:47] <xerosis> killermach__: of vi/m i meant
[08:47] <kristjan_> Ryiel: also I guess noacpi is same as acpi=off
[08:47] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, thats set properly, I can't figure out why my lan isn't working :(
[08:48] <yeti> which program can i use to add subtitles to a movie?
[08:48] <N6REJ> yeti: there are several sudo apt-cache search subtitle
[08:48] <killermach__> xerosis: version 7.0.35
[08:50] <crackhead_25> question: how does one remove the GPM driver (the mouse driver for the konsole)? just lsmod | grep gpm.. modprobe -r..??
[08:50] <TSWoodV> xerosis:  It seems that much of docs.kde.org refers to kcontrol directly.  And System Settings doesn't exactly duplicate nor is it a superset of kcontrol.
[08:50] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: What's your symptoms?
[08:51] <xerosis> TSWoodV: it's a more "refined" version of kcontrol, but like i said kcontrol is still there
[08:51] <crackhead_25> question: where is the gpm module/driver (the mouse driver for the console)? i think it's messing up when switching between X server sessions.. my mouse cursor keeps disappearing!!
[08:51] <kristjan_> Ryiel: I found another interesting boot option  acpi_use_timer_override
[08:52] <TSWoodV> xerosis: Thanks for the confirmation that I was not losing what little sanity I still retain... ;-)
[08:52] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: well its really strange.  I've setup numerous kubuntu boxes, and countless servers without problems... but this time I'm using the ubuntu server distro and have manually added which packages I want installed, as I don't want the entire kde desktop, just the utils and config portions.... and for whatever reason, samba config is being ignored, cups printers aren't available on the...
[08:52] <N6REJ> ...network, and I can't browese the server.
[08:52] <xerosis> killermach__: open /etc/vim/.vimrc and change 'set compatible' to '"set compatible'
[08:52] <xerosis> killermach__: that is, comment it out
[08:52] <Ryiel> kristjan_: instead of irqpoll or just put it after irqpoll?
[08:52] <xerosis> TSWoodV: no problem ;)
[08:53] <lucas_> Hi
[08:53] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Start with the basics.  What does ifconfig -a tell you?  And how about basic ping tests.  Can you ping anything of relevence?
[08:53] <crackhead_25> anyone know how to remove the gpm module/driver??
[08:53] <N6REJ> one moment phone
[08:53] <kristjan_> Ryiel: create more stuff into menu.lst like I did for you
[08:54] <lucas_> crackhead_25: is it loaded ?
[08:54] <Ryiel> ok
[08:54] <Ryiel> im on it
[08:54] <crackhead_25> im not sure.. it didnt appear in lsmod, i dont think.. what is it's exact name? do you know?
[08:55] <crackhead_25> everytime kde starts a second session, switch to it, then end that secons ession, and go back to the first, the mouse cursor will have disappeared.. someone suggested it was the gpm module conflicting with the X's mouse module..?
[08:55] <xerosis> killermach__: any luck?
[08:55] <blekos> hi, for some reason kontact does not check my email
[08:55] <blekos> the funny thing is that when i start konctact does not ask me for the kwallet password
[08:56] <blekos> any ideas?
[08:56] <timucin_kizilay> hi everybody... can anyone help me with an intel mainbord ?
[08:56] <killermach__> xerosis: there is no /etc/vim/.vimrc  there is a /etc/vim/vimrc but no compatible setting.. the setting is in vimrc.tiny
[08:56] <xerosis> killermach__: try ~/.vimrc?
[08:57] <lucas_> crackhead_25: I don't know but I could help yyour to remove it, if it was  loaded
[08:57] <Alonea> hey
[08:57] <chuen> Hi. I'm trying to install Java using Adept Manager. Is there any way I can 'OK' the license - or access the window that allows me to do so?
[08:57] <xerosis> killermach__: sorry, i meant /etc/vim/vimrc
[08:57] <lucas_> crackhead_25: What did you mean by gpm ?
[08:57] <killermach__> i comment it out in vimrc.tiny and still no  change..
[08:58] <killermach__> I tried adding the three lines from vimrc.tiny to vimrc and only end up with the broken version
[08:58] <killermach__> boy am I getting schoole
[08:58] <killermach__> 'd by vi
[08:58] <xerosis> killermach__: try adding 'set nocompatible' to /etc/vim/vimrc
[08:59] <kristjan_> Ryiel: http://pastebin.ca/406908
[08:59] <Dekkard> i do it at lest once a month..jsut incase
[08:59] <basniowysmok> hallo: during distro-upgrade DD=>EE I've been asked what to do with "qt_plugins_3.3rc" there was couple options i choosed "d" which "showed mi all the info" and i saw in every line "...=
[09:00] <tsdgeos> hi
[09:00] <killermach__> xerosis: set nocompatible .. no change.. vim is still vim and vi is still vi
[09:00] <basniowysmok> =30306^e3^ei686 Linux g++-4.* full-config^e20
[09:00] <basniowysmok> 06-03-29T06:44:22^
[09:00] <Flaste> how can i change my monitor's refresh rate?
[09:00] <Ryiel> kristjan_: thanks man ;) he doesnt know how to update bios now cause he has only linux on his laptop :D
[09:01] <killermach__> I just find it odd that I can cp /usr/bin/vim.tiny to /usr/bin/asdf and this works fine if I want to learn to use asdf as my prefered editor
[09:01] <kristjan_> Ryiel: does he still got windows cd?
[09:01] <miltos> did anyone managed to make Crypto mpeg TV card to work with kubuntu?
[09:01] <killermach__> actually I prefer pico as an editor
[09:01] <basniowysmok> shold I upgrade this library  ( please ignore "...=)
[09:02] <Ryiel> kristjan_: only xp
[09:03] <kristjan_> Ryiel: tell him to reinstall windows first so that it will use 50% of harddrive and on the remaining space install linux
[09:03] <xerosis> killermach__: sorry i can't be of more help, that's worked for other people
[09:03] <Ryiel> i just found a live dos CD and he flashes under dos now :D
[09:04] <kristjan_> Ryiel: those bios update tools are better to run like hardware manufacturer wants you to!
[09:04] <slestak> killermach__: maybe purge vim and reinstall?
[09:04] <killermach__> xerosis: well I do appreciate your time it's gotta be something
[09:05] <Ryiel> kristjan_: yeah, he says it does the job, I hope he wont mess up his bios...
[09:05] <killermach__> slestak: I'm up for that.. all else fails.. I can use "ed "
[09:06] <Ryiel> kristjan_: bios is up to date but still now sound
[09:06] <kristjan_> Ryiel: you should consider creating bug report https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[09:07] <Ryiel> kr
[09:07] <Ryiel> damn
[09:07] <kristjan_> Ryiel: did you try all these new options http://pastebin.ca/406908?
[09:07] <Ryiel> he tries the boot options first
[09:07] <Ryiel> in progress
[09:08] <killermach__> slestak: removing all vim packages now.. boy do I feel better already :)
[09:08] <kristjan_> Ryiel: laptop is asus ...?
[09:09] <killermach__> does anyone know of an editor like pico? I tried nano, but it really screws up on screen scroll and trashes a file
[09:09] <Ryiel> kristjan_: asus M3N
[09:09] <LjL> !alpine-pice feisty | killermach__, but i'm afraid it's not available for edgy
[09:09] <LjL> !alpine-pioe feisty | killermach__, but i'm afraid it's not available for edgy
[09:09] <LjL> gaaah. alpine-pico
[09:10] <hsystem-x> lol
[09:10] <kristjan_> Ryiel: I found duplicate of your bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/78667
[09:10] <Ryiel> so it means nothing good...
[09:11] <crackhead_25> anyone know how to remove the gpm module and keep it from running? or if it could be mucking up the use of mouse cursor in x? every time i lock current and start new kde session, then log out of that second kde session, and go back to the first, my mouse cursor has disappeared. the mouse is moving around, ic an tell, because things are getting highlighted, but you can't see the cursor itself.. it's an invisible mouse!! help!!
[09:11] <killermach__> for a while I used to install sendmail, thne copy out the pico binary, then uninstall sendmail
[09:12] <N6REJ-AFK> TSWoodV: sorry my attorney is on the phone
[09:12] <kristjan_> Ryiel: once you done testing boot options I recommend leaving a comment there...
[09:12] <Nullbyte> Hey guys, do any of you guys know how I get what M$ calls a computer name for my windows network? :x
[09:12] <crackhead_25> nullbyte: use samba?
[09:13] <Nullbyte> Well, I tried that, didnt really work
[09:13] <TSWoodV> N6REJ-AFK: One should take calls from attorneys...  They'll charge you more if you don't take the call! ;-)
[09:13] <Nullbyte> My router doesnt recognize it at least
[09:13] <waylandbill> Nullbyte: the broadcast is udp and not reliable. The ip address always should work.
[09:13] <Nullbyte> Oh, thanks waylandbill
[09:13] <evfreshman2025> can someone help me with my wireless connection? Im new to Kabuntu and im really lost
[09:14] <crackhead_25> evfreshman2025.. it's tricky. you may need to use ndiswrapper.
[09:14] <crackhead_25> (if your card isn't auto-recognized)
[09:14] <evfreshman2025> see thats what i need help with, i dont understand all of these programs
[09:14] <kristjan_> Ryiel: I think I found the needed boot option   "options snd_hda_intel model=3stack"
[09:14] <crackhead_25> go to kubuntu or ubuntu wiki pages, and search 'ndiswrapper', and follow instructions to see if your card is one that needs it.
[09:14] <crackhead_25> !ndiswrapper | evfreshman2025
[09:14] <ubotu> evfreshman2025: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:15] <Ryiel> kristjan_: ubuntu runs with these options but still no sound: noapic, nolapic
[09:15] <evfreshman2025> and if my card does need it?
[09:15] <crackhead_25> evfreshman2025: the nuse it
[09:15] <crackhead_25> then use it
[09:15] <cam523> este cineva din moldova sau romania?
[09:15] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, now where were we?
[09:15] <Ryiel> kristjan_: can you pastebin that too? :)
[09:16] <evfreshman2025> okay so my card isnt listed on the site...what do i do?
[09:16] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: You need to test the basic functionality of your network card and verify the basic settings such as IP address, netmask, default gateway, DNS servers, etc.
[09:16] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, let me try some things.
[09:16] <crackhead_25> you looked that quickly? what kind of card is it?
[09:16] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Run "ifconfig -a" and pastebin it if you have any questions about it.
[09:17] <evfreshman2025> umm h/o let me go look at what the exact card is
[09:17] <N6REJ> k
[09:17] <N6REJ> there's a sit0 entry that I've never seen before
[09:18] <LjL> N6REJ: that's IPv6
[09:18] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: IPv6.  Don't worry about it unless you're on IPv6.
[09:18] <N6REJ> YUCK!
[09:18] <LjL> well, the tunneling for IPv6
[09:18] <LjL> !ipv6
[09:18] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[09:18] <N6REJ> k, we'll get to that.
[09:18] <evfreshman2025> My wireless adapter is the ZyAIR G-302
[09:18] <kristjan_> Ryiel: http://pastebin.ca/406940 - if it won't boot then press "e" and add noapic or nolapic press enter and then press B
[09:19] <evfreshman2025> The brand is ZyXEL
[09:19] <crackhead_25> how do you remove the gpm module and/or keep it from running? i think it could be screwing my use of mouse cursor in x. every time i lock current session and start new, then log out of new and return to first session, my mouse cursor there becomes invisible--the mouse is moving, things are getting highlighted, but you can't see the cursor itself.. help!!
[09:19] <crackhead_25> evfreshman2025: im not familiar with that. dont know which driver it uses. find out which driver it uses.
[09:19] <crackhead_25> it may not be listed, but it may still use a driver which requires ndiswrapper.
[09:19] <evfreshman2025> how do i do that?
[09:19] <crackhead_25> go to the manufacturer site, look at the specs, or google it generally.
[09:19] <Ryiel> kristjan_: Ok, i told him, thanks for all your efforts
[09:20] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: surfing works, ip's look ok. here's the pastbin  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11558/  I'm trying to setup a "lan" server, its going to be use for accounting. and web developement and testing my joomla configs.
[09:20] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: FYI I do have a spare domain that I could assign if it really is necessary.
[09:21] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: oh yeah, and a file server
[09:21] <evfreshman2025> Hello? i kinda need some help! ='[
[09:21] <killermach__> what package installs /etc/vim/vimrc ??
[09:22] <kristjan_> Ryiel: http://pastebin.ca/406943 I would consider using noapic then instead of acpi=off (since laptop cpu frequency scaling does work only with acpi turned on to my knowledge)
[09:22] <waylandbill> killermach__: hopefully none.
[09:22] <N6REJ> tsw, this looks werid.. hang on a second.
[09:22] <waylandbill> killermach__: you have to make that yourself
[09:22] <killermach__> waylandbill: I never made it, and it was there
[09:22] <waylandbill> killermach__: move it
[09:22] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: why does 127.0.1.1 say "driftwood.iowatelecom.net" ?  I don't want it to know anything about my ISP.
[09:23] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Times that I've had the same issues, it's been iptables.
[09:23] <waylandbill> killermach__: rename it and try vim without it
[09:23] <kristjan_> Ryiel: and don't forget to add your thoughts here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/78667
[09:23] <killermach__> I uninstalled all vim packages. now its gone,
[09:23] <killermach__> without it.. vi and vim are the same.. bad
[09:23] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: as far as I know Iptables are not installed
[09:23] <evfreshman2025> does anyone know how to install a wireless adapter using the CD. i think its for windowa
[09:24] <waylandbill> killermach__: now make a new one with a line saying set nocompatible
[09:24] <waylandbill> hopefully I spelled that correctly. ;)
[09:25] <Alonea> Anyone remember off hand where the vector thing in the gimp is at. I used it last week and forgot where it is..
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[09:26] <N6REJ> !wireless | evfreshman2025
[09:26] <ubotu> evfreshman2025: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:27] <evfreshman2025> that website didnt help me at all
[09:27] <Ryiel> that's way too bad :)
[09:27] <N6REJ> evfreshman2025: wireless is a pita
[09:27] <N6REJ> evfreshman2025: check to see if your nic is supported
[09:27] <evfreshman2025> wtf is a pita?
[09:27] <N6REJ> pain the in arse
[09:28] <N6REJ> s/the/in/in/the/
[09:28] <evfreshman2025> what is a nic?
[09:28] <N6REJ> OH BOY!
[09:28] <waylandbill> oye
[09:28] <crackhead_25> how can i increase video memory setting on my bios (without having to reconfigure all of xserver-xorg)???
[09:28] <evfreshman2025> dude, im new to retarted kabuntu
[09:28] <N6REJ> evfreshman2025: a NIC is a Network Interface Card
[09:28] <killermach__> waylandbill: that works, boy what a waste of time, I checked my RH9 box and there is no vim only vi and it operates as wanted
[09:28] <kristjan_> Ryiel: you could add one more option to the list "acpi=noirq"
[09:28] <Ryiel> pita is a greek foog :)
[09:29] <Ryiel> food
[09:29] <killermach__> waylandbill: I've only been on one other box shell that had awful vi, it was freebsd box
[09:29] <N6REJ> Ryiel: yeppers
[09:29] <Ryiel> kristjan_: we tried that earlier
[09:29] <Ryiel> he is trying the last option now
[09:29] <Alonea> never mind...just refound it. its called GFig
[09:29] <Ryiel> no luck so far
[09:29] <kristjan_> Ryiel: so what boot options work now?
[09:29] <killermach__> waylandbill: thanks, and the rest of you who put up with my ranting about vi.. :)
[09:29] <N6REJ> what the heck? kdm is installed!
[09:29] <waylandbill> killermach__: sorry. I'd of told you earlier, but you needed suffer. ;-)
[09:29] <N6REJ> ACK!
[09:29] <kristjan_> Ryiel: noapic, nolapic and acpi=off?
[09:30] <Ryiel> yep
[09:30] <waylandbill> killermach__: j/k. Wish I could've helped ya sooner.
[09:30] <Ryiel> kristjan_: the two new options work but no sound
[09:30] <kristjan_> Ryiel: does his cpu run at max speed then booting with acpi=off?
[09:30] <killermach__> waylandbill: I was told about it.. but it didn't work, I had to uninstall everything, delete /etc/vim/ and start over.. that is odd.  why does it just not work from the box?
[09:30] <killermach__> s/box/install/
[09:30] <crackhead_25> evfreshman2025: read this site: http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000167
[09:30] <Ryiel> kristjan_: i think he uses the default settings
[09:31] <kristjan_> Ryiel: you said previously something about compiling
[09:31] <Ryiel> yeah, alsa drivers
[09:31] <Ryiel> but that didnt help
[09:31] <waylandbill> killermach__: no idea. maybe a code oversight. It's always worked from clean install. I've installed zillions of times.
[09:31] <kristjan_> Ryiel: maybe this screwed up sound? or did you reinstall?
[09:31] <Ryiel> kristjan_: no sound since ubuntu is installed :D
[09:32] <kristjan_> Ryiel: we are talking about clean install. where you haven't compiled alsa?
[09:32] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: is there a GOOD document on setting up a lan?  This is starting to piss me off
[09:32] <Ryiel> kristjan_: yep
[09:32] <waylandbill> evfreshman2025: look into ndiswrapper, but also look into basic networking. You're going to know both. That may mean you have to read. Sorry..
[09:33] <killermach__> waylandbill: then must be something I hosed later.. cause if I had this battle on my first ubuntu install, there probably would not have been a second :)
[09:33] <slestak> is feisty upgrade pretty safe these days?  think im gonna get a good backup and try it tonight.
[09:33] <killermach__> but I've been using ubuntu for months on 4 boxes
[09:33] <kristjan_> Ryiel: I recommend using noapic or nolapic option instead of completely disabling acpi (noacpi)
[09:33] <xerosis> slestak: off the record, yes :)
[09:33] <Ryiel> yeah, but still no sound :)
[09:34] <hsystem-x> ehmm, is beryl going to be integrated on feisty?
[09:34] <xerosis> hsystem-x: not beryl, but compiz is
[09:34] <waylandbill> killermach__: when you are new, you have no fear. Like infants. First whack on the coffee table changes everything.
[09:35] <waylandbill> that's gotta be soooo politically incorrect. :-D
[09:35] <kristjan_> Ryiel: maybe you can find problem similar to yours here http://tinyurl.com/2j8evq
[09:36] <djpons_> [21:33]  <djpons_> hello!
[09:36] <djpons_> [21:34]  <djpons_> i have a one question of command date
[09:36] <djpons_> [21:34]  <djpons_> i need a number of days with command date
[09:36] <djpons_> [21:34]  <djpons_> type 14599
[09:36] <crackhead_25> anyone??
[09:36] <phpcoin> ok - who's responsible for this kubuntu thingy ?
[09:36] <djpons_> in shell
[09:36] <waylandbill> djpons_: '2 days ago'
[09:37] <djpons_> no total number of days
[09:37] <djpons_> before1 january of 1970
[09:37] <Ryiel> kristjan_: thanks for your effort but this laptop seems to be linux-proof.. :(
[09:38] <N6REJ> Ryiel: thats debatable.
[09:38] <N6REJ> Ryiel: have you tried a live cd?
[09:38] <waylandbill> djpons_: the integer for date is easily manipulated in a C program. There's functions galore for it.
[09:39] <Ryiel> Yeah, no luck, not even with suse
[09:39] <djpons_>  i need integer in script
[09:39] <N6REJ> Ryiel: ok, what happens what you try?
[09:39] <djpons_> similar   days = date +%?
[09:40] <kristjan_> N6REJ: they also have problems booting asus m3n laptop
[09:40] <killermach__> my RH9 box has no vimrc or .vimrc, my RHEL4 box has /etc/vimrc with nocompatible in it
[09:40] <kristjan_> N6REJ: from testing lots of different options we succeeded in "noacpi, noapic and nolapic"
[09:40] <Ryiel> We tried everything we were told.
[09:40] <N6REJ> kristjan_: I wonder if you could get a minimal install sto start by using the server distro?
[09:41] <N6REJ> kristjan_: what kind of cpu?
[09:41] <waylandbill> djpons_: there are specifications for scripting date. Google for them. You'd be suprised how many ways they coded. you can always look at date's source if in doubt.
[09:41] <Ryiel> N6REJ: we can run ubuntu but no sound
[09:41] <Ryiel> thats the problem
[09:41] <kristjan_> N6REJ: ask Ryiel;) (I'm not the owner of that laptop)
[09:41] <Ryiel> we can run ubuntu with noacpi noapic nolapic and apci/off
[09:41] <djpons_> in man i see some option but not for my.
[09:42] <N6REJ> Ryiel: OH!, thats a different problem.  you need to look closely at the program trying to call the sound and which sound driver is being used.  The kernel probably has the wrong sound card settings.
[09:42] <N6REJ> you may need to install the kernel source and recompile the kernl
[09:42] <waylandbill> djpons_: I didn't know all the different variations until a month. and it's not in the man. the man just says "date specifications"
[09:42] <Ryiel> N6REJ: it has irq rach
[09:42] <Ryiel> crash
[09:42] <Ryiel> i compiled the right alsa drivers as well
[09:43] <Ryiel> but still no luck
[09:43] <kristjan_> N6REJ: here is the same bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/78667
[09:43] <waylandbill> djpons_: research date specifications on the net, you'll find it. you may have to use some math operations for the result you want.
[09:43] <djpons_> ok thanks
[09:43] <N6REJ> Ryiel: ok, thats a hardware conflich... driver problem.  Its trying to tell you that the irq's are conflicting and they are being shared properly.  SOMETHING has a hard set IRQ and refuses to release it.  Suspect the nic and soundcard
[09:44] <kristjan_> N6REJ: what is weird though is that boot option irqpoll should help in such situations, but did nothing for them
[09:44] <Ryiel> I'm not a linux geek
[09:44] <Ryiel> :)
[09:44] <Ryiel> and bios has no options to change irq
[09:44] <K`zan> Anyone here using a Garmin GPS under Ubuntu?
[09:45] <waylandbill> Ryiel: as yoda said to skywalker... you will be.. you will be...
[09:45] <N6REJ> kristjan_: some hardware is physically hardwired to be what it is.   Ryiel yes bios does.  Its normally in advanced settings.
[09:45] <kristjan_> N6REJ: the list of options they tried so far http://pastebin.ca/406943
[09:45] <N6REJ> K`zan: I haven't tried yet.
[09:45] <K`zan> N6REJ: APRS eventually :)
[09:45] <N6REJ> K`zan: sweet.
[09:45] <K`zan> Road Nav is pretty nice, I had to use the gpsd to get it working though.
[09:45] <N6REJ> I wonder if my gps-10 will work?
[09:46] <K`zan> serial right?  Normal serial?
[09:46] <N6REJ> K`zan: you were able to get n-route to work?
[09:46] <mervteck_> hey guys
[09:46] <kristjan_> N6REJ: some bios setups allow you to change only basic stuff (I for example have simple bios setup)
[09:46] <acemo> anyone here knows how to get opera on linux to be able to play wmv/3pg/rm movies?
[09:46] <K`zan> n-route?
[09:46] <N6REJ> kristjan_: sigh
[09:46] <Ryiel> N6REJ: i asked my friend to take photos of his bios menu :) (the laptop isnt mine and i dont have it here)
[09:46] <N6REJ> K`zan: n-route is the windows routing software for the garmin, is there a nix version?
[09:47] <kristjan_> Ryiel: from locale=hu_HU he probably lives in hungary? :)
[09:47] <N6REJ> Ryiel: I don't know guys, I haven't tried putting ubuntu on my laptop yet, but I'm thinking about it.
[09:47] <slestak> Ryiel: what brand and model is this?  I had an Averatec with an Athlon-64 3000 that was so unstable  and had such a crummy bios.  I treated it like the closing credits in Office Space
[09:48] <Ryiel> kristjan_: yep :D
[09:48] <N6REJ> K`zan: how are you getting "directions" to work?  My gps is a hockey puck ... grs-10 if I remember right.
[09:48] <Ryiel> slestak: asus M3N
[09:48] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Sorry - gone for a while.  What does "iptables -L" say?
[09:48] <K`zan> N6REJ: Not that I know of, mine came with Trip and Waypoint Manager which is pretty useless for anything other than major road travel without spending $100 on maps, BUT... :-)
[09:48] <Ryiel> kristjan_: why?
[09:48] <K`zan> N6REJ: Picked up a GPSMAP 76CS off an adv on QRZ.
[09:49] <N6REJ> K`zan: look at n-route
[09:49] <slestak> i think i remember reading the averatec was a rebranded asus.  does it have award bios?  getting kernel panic about losing sync?
[09:49] <N6REJ> K`zan: sweet!
[09:49] <hsystem-x> which you prefer guys - kde or gnome?
[09:49] <N6REJ> kde!
[09:49] <kristjan_> kde
[09:49] <slestak> kde
[09:49] <Ryiel> kde
[09:49] <Tm_T> KDE!
[09:49] <hsystem-x> jajaja (Y)
[09:49] <kristjan_> Ryiel: what why?
[09:49] <N6REJ> though I prefer symantic over adept
[09:49] <slestak> ready to get booted --- vista to gnome, j/k
[09:49] <Ryiel> kristjan_: Why did you ask whether im from hungary? :)
[09:49] <mervteck_> KDE PWNS THE WORLD
[09:50] <kristjan_> Ryiel: not you but your friend.
[09:50] <Ryiel> kristjan_: We both live in Hungary.
[09:50] <K`zan> N6REJ: Check out: http://www.marengo-ltd.com/map/  I think I just need to figure out how to talk to the USB on the 76cx under linux gpsbabel will probably convert the maringo output (I think, still researching).
[09:50] <hsystem-x> i belive that gnome consume more resoruces than kde, am i right?
[09:50] <kristjan_> Ryiel: he doesn't speak english so I was thinking were could he live
[09:50] <Ryiel> :)
[09:50] <hsystem-x> resources*
[09:51] <Ryiel> He speaks german :D
[09:51] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: would it be better if I set the router to not server dhcp and let the nix box handle it?
[09:51] <kristjan_> Ryiel: what is the output of lspci use http://pastebin.ca/
[09:51] <N6REJ> K`zan: let me know how it goes, the ONLY thing keeping my laptop on windows is the gps
[09:51] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Please reiterate your current problem.  I believe you were having problems with samba and something else...
[09:52] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Another subject:  Once you get gpsdrive setup on your Linux box and download a few free maps, you won't go back to Windows.  The only thing missing is a good routing program.
[09:52] <slestak> hsystem-x: its kindof a moot point with systems today.  if i had a p3-1g id worry about resources.  but not with a modern machine
[09:52] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: well, lets back up a bunch.  All I need is a lan server.  It doesn't need any outside access really.  I do have a spare domain that if necessary I could "burn" to act as the domain for the lan.
[09:52] <K`zan> N6REJ: wilco Sir!  Understand that, since I got really disgusted with wincrap and dropped flightsim (except for very occasional lapses :) I have almost no need for it anymore :).  Almost... Sigh.
[09:53] <mervteck_> anyone here a good and or experienced Coder up for a project? im me =D
[09:53] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I wonder if wine will let you use n-route?
[09:53] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: You can use any domain you wish if it's truly isolated from the Internet.
[09:53] <K`zan> N6REJ: try RoadNav and see what you think of that, it runs fairly well on the old Gateway Solo PII/266/384M under KUbuntu, you might not need the gpsd to talk to it...
[09:54] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I'm wide open to suggestions at this point
[09:54] <N6REJ> K`zan: is it in the repos?
[09:54] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Try this.  Use "example.com" as your domain.  It's a throw-away, kind of like the private network addresses.
[09:54] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: sweet!
[09:54] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Next, make sure that "iptables -L" doesn't show anything.
[09:55] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Now, you've got a router spitting out DHCP addresses, right?  Does that work for you?
[09:55] <N6REJ> yes!
[09:55] <acemo> anyone here knows how to get opera on linux to be able to play wmv/3pg/rm movies?
[09:55] <N6REJ> works excellent, cisco wrt54g
[09:55] <K`zan> N6REJ: Maybe the older version, but it comes as a .deb, easy to install: http://roadnav.sourceforge.net/index.php  - Get the  0.18alpha1...
[09:55] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: So you have connectivity via ping between all of your pieces, right?
[09:56] <N6REJ> yes
[09:56] <Ryiel> kristjan_: http://www.pastebin.ca/406988
[09:56] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Sidebar:  I'd put dd-wrt or tomato on that WRT54G if I were you.
[09:56] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: there are 3 listings from iptables.
[09:56] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: chain input chain forward and chain output all with no numbers
[09:57] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: huh?
[09:57] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: All policy ACCEPT, right?
[09:57] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: no, let me paste it
[09:57] <bobbyd> hi
[09:57] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: the iptables in the router is not set cause I don't know how
[09:57] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: http://www.dd-wrt.com about the WRT54G.
[09:58] <K`zan> TSWoodV: Good unit and link :)
[09:58] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: If you don't have a default policy of accept at least on the INPUT chain, you've probably found the problem.
[09:58] <Ryiel> N6REJ: http://www.sendspace.com/file/kbx2sg <-- I asked him to take photos of his bios. It's disappointing...
[09:58] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11560/
[09:58] <K`zan> Since I don't seem to be able to get WPA-PSK to work, I wonder if WEP and unit ID on the WAP would be as good...
[09:58] <TSWoodV> K'zan:  I love the older WRT54GS (pre version 4) units.  I've got a few around.  DD-WRT on those rocks.
[09:59] <TSWoodV> K'zan:  WPA-PSK with TKIP, right?
[09:59] <K`zan> TSWoodV: Mine is a v1 GS, nice :-)
[09:59] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: mines version 4 firware 1.01 I think
[09:59] <kristjan_> Ryiel: that soundcard should work out of box; I'm very sure about that
[09:59] <Ryiel> out of box?
[09:59] <K`zan> TSWoodV: Err, not sure now, been a while since I messed with it, incredibly convoluted - WEP just seems to work though.
[10:00] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: See the "policy ACCEPT" stuff?  That means that the policy of each of those chains is to accept a packet unless there's a rule that says otherwise.
[10:00] <kristjan_> Ryiel: in other words then you are done installing ubuntu the soundcard should work
[10:00] <K`zan> TSWoodV: Sadly, I use the laptop under wincrap when I have to go wireless with it :-(
[10:00] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: In effect, what you've got is no firewall in place on the Linux box.
[10:00] <TSWoodV> N6
[10:00] <kristjan_> Ryiel: no need for installing drivers on anything, but
[10:00] <Ryiel> kristjan_: but believe me, i wouldnt mess here if it was working :D
[10:00] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Which is what we want in this circumstance.
[10:00] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I see, yeah, no fw yet because I wanted it working FIRST
[10:00] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: *nod*
[10:01] <TSWoodV> K'zan:  Maybe 7.04 will have better support for you.
[10:01] <kristjan_> Ryiel: and now please cat /proc/interrupts (use pastebin again)
[10:01] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Wise decision to put off the firewall until later.
[10:01] <K`zan> TSWoodV: Will keep eyes open for that (currently edgy).
[10:01] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Now onto the problem at hand.  You want samba running, right?
[10:01] <TSWoodV> K'zan:  Which card/chipset?
[10:01] <K`zan> N6REJ: Why do I see $100+ CityNav in my future, sigh... ?
[10:02] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: lets lock the doors bar the windows, set the alarms, hire security, set shotguns, and then find out why when we open the door we got shot! :P
[10:02] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: LOL!
[10:02] <K`zan> N6REJ: THis GPS stuff sure is an adventure :)
[10:02] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: You've got samba installed?
[10:02] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: How about swat?
[10:02] <N6REJ> K`zan: look at the gprs-10 by garmin, its hard to find, walmart.com sells it but its incredible.
[10:03] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: in but doesn't seem to work.
[10:03] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Swat is the best learning tool for Samba that I've seen.  It's the web-based interface (port 901) with a lot of help.
[10:03] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: So http://localhost:901 doesn't work for you?
[10:03] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: yes, and a very interesting thing with samba is that testparm says the "browseable" on the printers is set to "NO" even though i've implicityly set it to "YES"
[10:03] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: let me try from the server, it doesn't work from my winbox
[10:04] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Pastebin your samba config.
[10:04] <N6REJ> tsw cc
[10:04] <Ryiel> kristjan_: he says there is no output
[10:04] <kristjan_> Ryiel: no way type   cat /proc/interrupts  into konsole
[10:05] <mervteck_> hey channel! whats a good program to disable my CPU power speed control?
[10:05] <mervteck_> im running edgy
[10:05] <Ryiel> kristjan_: hehe, he left the cat part out :D
[10:05] <kristjan_> mervteck_: you mean run at max speed?
[10:05] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11562/
[10:05] <mervteck_> well what i was told to do to fix my bf2 in cedega jumping problem was to disable the cpu power speed control
[10:06] <mervteck_> [13:59]  <booner> probably need to disable your cpu speed power control
[10:06] <kristjan_> mervteck_: not control but frequency scaling
[10:06] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: i'm starting kde up... should I set the domin to example.com now?
[10:06] <mervteck_> k well wuts i gotta do kristjan?
[10:07] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: You can.  I don't think you will need to in this case.
[10:07] <kristjan_> mervteck_: I suggest installing klaptopdaemon (since you run edgy eft)
[10:07] <Ryiel> kristjan_: http://pastebin.ca/407003
[10:07] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: k
[10:07] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: What do you see when you try to browse shares on the samba box from the Windows machine(s)?
[10:07] <mervteck_> do you think its going to fix the problem im havin?
[10:07] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: error loading localhost 901 could not connect to host localhost ( port 091)
[10:08] <kristjan_> mervteck_: yes it is for sure
[10:08] <N6REJ> grrrr 901 even
[10:08] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: nothing, it won't let me.
[10:08] <mervteck_> =) mind helping me work the program when i get it?
[10:08] <kristjan_> Ryiel: hmm, I'm such a noob but there is soundcard there? rtc?
[10:08] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I can see ANY windows and mac shares though
[10:08] <kristjan_> mervteck_: sure
[10:09] <Ryiel> kristjan_: Do you mean what sort of onboard souncard is there?
[10:09] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Try typing "\\driftwood" into Start->Cmd on a Windows box.
[10:09] <mervteck_> ok i installed klaptopdaemon how do i launch it
[10:09] <Ryiel> ac97
[10:09] <kristjan_> Ryiel: I mean I can't find it in your cat /proc/interrupts
[10:09] <kristjan_> mervteck_: 1st you quit your existing one
[10:09] <Ryiel> im a bigger noob, what does that mean? :D
[10:10] <mervteck_> what existing one?
[10:10] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: just to be fair, I had a problem yesterday with my dns records being hijacked!  I couldn't figure out why my windows box was all goofy and I checked its dns server records and they had been changed and hijacked!  So I ran hijack this, fix that and then also changed them back to how they should be... the win box responded much better ( duh ) afterwards.  did 3 virus checks and...
[10:10] <N6REJ> ...nothing was found.
[10:10] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Make sure that you can "ping driftwood" and get the right IP.
[10:10] <kristjan_> mervteck_: that white/black stripes on it thing
[10:10] <kristjan_> mervteck_: in your system tray
[10:11] <mervteck_> i dont even see anything like that =P so must not be running
[10:11] <Ryiel> kristjan_: does it give you any clue? :)
[10:11] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Do be aware that once any machine has been compromised, especially a Windows machine, that it's next to impossible to verify that you've gotten everything cleaned back up.
[10:12] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11563/
[10:12] <kristjan_> Ryiel: here is what you do now, since no it does not give me a clue - describe your problems here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/78667
[10:12] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: yeah, I know I lost sleep last night about it.... I've got 10 years of data on here.... I'm not sure how I'll handle this .... its a VERY scarey propiistion
[10:12] <kristjan_> Ryiel: try to describe your problem with as much detail as you can
[10:13] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Subtle distinction here.  You have to Start->Run and in that line type \\driftwood.  It won't work out of a command window.  Stupid, but that's the way Windows wants it.
[10:13] <kristjan_> mervteck_: did you quit it?
[10:13] <mervteck_> i dont see anything down there liek your talking about so it must not be running
[10:13] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: logon prompt
[10:13] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Bingo!
[10:14] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: What you've not got is a common problem with WINS not knowing driftwood's name yet.
[10:14] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: nope, ok, entered my *NIX username and pw and then it came back and changed my name to \\driftwood\troy and refused the pw
[10:14] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: oh ok
[10:14] <kristjan_> mervteck_: you got laptop right?
[10:14] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: WINS sucks.  Always has.  If you've got an AD server, you'll be better off, but the old NetBIOS stuff really isn't industrial strength.
[10:14] <mervteck_> nope i got dekstop
[10:15] <mervteck_> AMD X2 4600 with 2gb  of DDR400
[10:15] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Did you run "smbpasswd" and add yourself as a user?
[10:15] <kristjan_> mervteck_: oops. does your cpu change frequency?
[10:15] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: but I can type http://driftwood/ in firefox and it takes me straight to the server
[10:15] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: no
[10:15] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Samba doesn't use the /etc/passwd file unless you explicitly tell it to.
[10:15] <mervteck_> like can i overclock it?
[10:15] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: it has at the bottom "USE PAM"
[10:15] <kristjan_> Ryiel: if anything then https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/78667 gives a hint that the bug is not unique to your laptop only
[10:16] <kristjan_> mervteck_: is the GHz constant?
[10:16] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Here's the difference between "\\driftwood" and "http://driftwood" and not being able to see driftwood in Network Neighborhood.  It's a case of using DNS as opposed to WINS.
[10:16] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: OH!
[10:16] <kristjan_> mervteck_: or it changes on demand?
[10:16] <Ryiel> kristjan_: It's not my laptop so im happy :D
[10:16] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: its hard to believe I was once a guru at this
[10:16] <mervteck_> dunno , never really looked
[10:16] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: I don't know that "use pam" overrides the necessity of the smbpasswd file.
[10:16] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok,
[10:17] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: We all forget stuff.  I've just dealt with this stuff in the last couple of months, or I'd be rusty at it too.
[10:17] <Ryiel> kristjan_: i told him to try feisty :)
[10:17] <mervteck_> right now donmon in superkaramba says 1000 MHz but sure dont run like that in games lol
[10:17] <kristjan_> Ryiel: good idea, maybe new kernel does not hang :)
[10:17] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I've been out of it for 10 years now and now, I have several mental issues that causes me to some days not even know my name hardly
[10:17] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: So now you're mostly on your way.  Just create your users via smbpasswd.
[10:17] <N6REJ> k
[10:17] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: I blame mine on advancing age... ;-)
[10:17] <N6REJ> lol
[10:18] <kristjan_> mervteck_: open konsole and type klaptopdaemon
[10:18] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I'm soon to be 46
[10:18] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: I'm a mere 42... ;-)
[10:18] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Going on 142...
[10:18] <K`zan> N6REJ: THis one: http://www.garmin.com/products/gps10/  ?
[10:18] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: man things changed since 29 eh?
[10:18] <mervteck_> Command not found, but i know i downloaded it
[10:18] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Raising three teenagers will getcha quick! ;-)
[10:18] <kristjan_> mervteck_: ok. type klapt and hit TAB
[10:18] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: 29 - that was so last millenium!
[10:19] <kristjan_> mervteck_: what options does it give?
[10:19] <mervteck_> it finished it to klaptop_
[10:19] <kristjan_> mervteck_: press tab again
[10:19] <mervteck_> it just beeps at me
[10:19] <mervteck_> err
[10:19] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Just spend some quality time with swat and its help facility.  Watch out, though.  When you pop help pages, they're HTML and depending upon which browser you're using, they may be hidden a bit.
[10:19] <mervteck_> now it adds check
[10:20] <N6REJ> K`zan: no it looks like this one... http://www.garmin.com/products/gxm30/ but it has a 10 at the end.. gmrs 10?  look at walmart.com
[10:20] <kristjan_> mervteck_: something else?
[10:20] <mervteck_> klaptop_acpi_helper  klaptop_check
[10:20] <K`zan> N6REJ: rr, checking
[10:20] <kristjan_> mervteck_: what do you think is the right one?
[10:20] <Ryiel> kristjan_: acpi off is still necessary to run ubuntu
[10:20] <kristjan_> mervteck_: me thinks klaptop_check
[10:20] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, now back to what we were doing.. if your going to be here a second, let me add myself to smbpasswd
[10:21] <kristjan_> Ryiel: imo add your comments to that bug report
[10:21] <mervteck_> mervteck@BlackMagik:~$ klaptop_acpi_helper  klaptop_check
[10:21] <mervteck_> Usage: klaptop_acpi_helper [--suspend]  [--standby]  [--hibernate] [--software-suspend] [--toshibalcd N] [--performance CPU N] [--throttling CPU N] [--cpufreq-[24|25|sysfs] ] 
[10:21] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: I'll be here for a few more minutes.
[10:21] <kristjan_> mervteck_: run klaptop_check
[10:21] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: how will I get swat to allow me to access it from my winbox?
[10:21] <Ryiel> kristjan_: I will :)
[10:22] <mervteck_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[10:22] <mervteck_>   Major opcode:  147
[10:22] <mervteck_>   Minor opcode:  3
[10:22] <mervteck_>   Resource id:  0x0
[10:22] <mervteck_> Failed to open device
[10:22] <mervteck_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[10:22] <mervteck_>   Major opcode:  147
[10:22] <mervteck_>   Minor opcode:  3
[10:22] <mervteck_>   Resource id:  0x0
[10:22] <mervteck_> Failed to open device
[10:22] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: http://driftwood:901 doesn't work?  Then there must be a config setting somewhere...
[10:22] <kristjan_> !pastebin
[10:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:22] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: can I just tell samba to allow anyone in the 192 network to do stuff?
[10:22] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: yeah, thats correct.
[10:23] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: doesn't work locally either
[10:23] <kristjan_> mervteck_: you know just run kcontrol
[10:23] <kristjan_> mervteck_: hit alt+f2 and type in kcontrol
[10:23] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Since it's web-based, there's probably an .htaccess file or a config in the httpd.conf or in /etc/httpd/conf.d that deals with that.  Lemme check...
[10:24] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: k
[10:24] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I'm running apache 2.x
[10:25] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Never mind.  It seems to be standalone, not integrated into Apache.  Lemme check something else...
[10:25] <kraut> i have a problem with konsole. i setup a transparent background but when i open a new tab, i have a black one.
[10:25] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: k
[10:25] <mervteck_> k got it loaded
[10:25] <kraut> i had this problem long ago but don't remember how to fix it
[10:25] <K`zan> N6REJ: Looks like walmart discontinued it - not there :-(.
[10:25] <wolferine> if I am in a game(fullscreen) and I want to leave it running, and had back out to the wm, how can I do it?
[10:25] <N6REJ> K`zan: k, hang on a few
[10:25] <wolferine> i use to use alt-tab in winblows
[10:25] <K`zan> N6REJ: rr sb
[10:26] <LjL> wolferine: i don't know... you could probably have a separate user for games, and start a new X session. then just ctrl+alt+Fx
[10:26] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: It's in my /etc/xinetd.d/swat file.  The "only from" line.
[10:26] <LjL> alt+tab will probably *sometimes* work too
[10:26] <wolferine> really?
[10:26] <mervteck_> kristjan: i got it open now
[10:26] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: oh, that may be the problem I don't have xinetd installed
[10:26] <kristjan_> wolferine: ctl-alt-f1 login and type xinit /usr/bin/application -- :1
[10:26] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: How about /etc/inetd.d then?
[10:26] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: let me look
[10:27] <kristjan_> mervteck_: ok you got open what exactly? kcontrol or klaptopdaemon?
[10:27] <mervteck_> kcontol
[10:27] <mervteck_> kcontrol*
[10:27] <LjL> wolferine: what kristjan_ said i suppose, but there's also support for starting a new X session from inside the GUI... K menu / Switch user
[10:27] <LjL> you do need to have an additional user for that though
[10:27] <LjL> but then, it probably isn't so bad to have a user for games
[10:27] <kristjan_> mervteck_: do you see battery icon in kcontrol
[10:27] <K`zan> N6REJ: If it is even close to the: http://www.garmin.com/products/gps10/  It is pretty kick arse!
[10:28] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: this is weird, "locate swat" comes up with nothing! and its not in inet.d
[10:28] <kristjan_> wolferine: xinit /path/to/your/application -- :1
[10:28] <mervteck_> i see power control and under that i see  battery
[10:28] <wolferine> oh, there was more...
[10:28] <kristjan_> mervteck_: navigate there
[10:28] <N6REJ> K`zan: it was $99
[10:28] <wolferine> yeah, ctrl-alt-f1 doesnt help, wont allow it to run
[10:28] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: I see the problem here.  I was looking at a Fedora Core box.  Lemme see what my Ubuntu box says...
[10:29] <mervteck_> k im here
[10:29] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: k
[10:29] <kristjan_> mervteck_: can you start "battery monitor"?
[10:29] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Check your /etc/inetd.conf file.
[10:29] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: k
[10:30] <kristjan_> wolferine: did you login?
[10:30] <mervteck_> it says  you may need to enable acpi suspent resume in the acpi panel
[10:30] <mervteck_> in power control tab
[10:30] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: You'll find swat there.  But I don't see the access controls there...
[10:30] <wolferine> of course
[10:30] <N6REJ> #<off># netbios-ssn     stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/smbd
[10:30] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: It's TCP wrappered, if that's a verb...
[10:30] <N6REJ> swat            stream  tcp     nowait.400      root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/swat
[10:30] <wolferine> how would I do anything if I didnt login :/
[10:30] <wolferine> lol
[10:30] <pixelation_> is there a way to give wine more memory?
[10:30] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I don't know if I've got wrapper installed or not.  I did the ubuntu server distro
[10:31] <kristjan_> mervteck_: nice can you find the right most tab in kcontrol under that laptop stuff
[10:31] <wolferine> so xinit myapp ?
[10:31] <N6REJ> pixelation_: yes, give it a bigger barrel and let it age more
[10:31] <N6REJ> :P
[10:31] <wolferine> or is there more kristjan_ ?
[10:31] <pixelation_> hehe... I don't understand it very well :(
[10:31] <mervteck_> wheres this?
[10:31] <N6REJ> K`zan: my wifes looking for it now
[10:31] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Access is probably controlled by /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny.  Lemme look a bit more..
[10:31] <kristjan_> wolferine: xinit /path/to/your/app -- :1   (works here)
[10:31] <pixelation_> this windows program always crashes after it has enough data, and Iknow it's memory.
[10:31] <K`zan> N6REJ: NP, but for $99, WOW
[10:31] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: my hosts.allow/deny are both empty
[10:31] <wolferine> ah
[10:32] <wolferine> to display 1 ?
[10:32] <kristjan_> mervteck_: maybe I should install klaptop also :)
[10:32] <wolferine> k, ill give it a try
[10:32] <mervteck_> =)
[10:32] <kristjan_> wolferine: for example xinit neverball -- :1   will start opengl game called "neverball" in ctr alt f8
[10:33] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Try putting "ALL: ALL" in the /etc/hosts.allow file
[10:33] <RealisticDragon> evening all :)
[10:33] <jhutchins> pixelation_: You might find more in #winehq
[10:33] <kristjan_> MervTeck: I can't send pm
[10:33] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok
[10:33] <kristjan_> MervTeck: not registered
[10:33] <N6REJ> K`zan: look for gps 18
[10:33] <MervTeck> lol register! xD
[10:33] <pixelation_> OKs thanks.
[10:33] <kristjan_> MervTeck: let me install klaptopdaemon
[10:34] <MervTeck> kk brb need water
[10:34] <Arwen> anyone know if there's plans to backport k3b 1.0?
[10:34] <kristjan_> MervTeck: you are in edgy eft, right?
[10:34] <K`zan> N6REJ: rr checking now.
[10:34] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, now my main win box doesn't do anything when I type \\driftwood, let me try the laptop
[10:35] <pixelation_> I have a windows program that I love but the more data it accumilates, it gets to a point where it crashes and I know it's memory related.  What can I do?
[10:35] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, the lapt top comes up with a logon prompt
[10:35] <pixelation_> crap sorry
[10:35] <pixelation_> lol
[10:35] <wolferine> kristjan_, that works, perfect, thanks
[10:35] <MervTeck> yes im in edgy
[10:35] <K`zan> N6REJ: I don't use this phrase often, but AWESOME :).  Bet it would work with RoadNav and gpsd...  (fyi: http://www.garmin.com/products/gps18/ )
[10:36] <Arwen> anyone? I notice that feisty's k3b is also 0.12.17, are there no plans to backport k3b 1.0 ?
[10:36] <waylandbill> N6REJ: not a guest account. you need a samba account and password
[10:36] <N6REJ> K`zan: yep thats my little gal!
[10:36] <K`zan> N6REJ: If I didn't want to HAVE to lug a laptop, I surely would get one of those.
[10:36] <K`zan> N6REJ: Looks like I am going to have to build my own kernel to get the garmin usb drivers :-(.
[10:37] <N6REJ> K`zan: well, my thought was hey, I can have my email, and have it tell me where to go big enough that I can see and HEAR it, ( it talks to you ) and surf and game and and and
[10:37] <N6REJ> K`zan: I almost ran off the road trying to see those little ones
[10:37] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: WINS is a funny thing.  Sometimes a machine will work, sometimes it won't.  A later job for you would be to make the Samba server win all master browser elections.  Look that one up.
[10:37] <anmol> Hello guys is there a safe way to install KDE 4 on feisty ?
[10:38] <K`zan> N6REJ: Understand, that is why I got it hooked up to RoadNav, here is seattle wandering attention enriches the city and the insurance company WAY too quickly...
[10:38] <jhutchins> anmol: There isn't a "safe" way to installl KDE 4 on anything.
[10:38] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: this is really really weird, cause I've NEVER EVER EVER had this much trouble getting a server to functio not even with ubuntu.  this is what has me so frustrated, it has always JUST WORKED.
[10:38] <MervTeck> Kristjan : register yourself >.<
[10:38] <jhutchins> KDE 4 is beta, at best.
[10:38] <bobbyd> hi
[10:38] <wolferine> kristjan_, now, would it be better to use another user to play, since I will be leaving the game/leaving the WM often?
[10:38] <kristjan_> MervTeck: find this page http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/681/pilt1zf1.png
[10:38] <anmol> so is there a "less" safe way to install KDE 4 on feisty ?
[10:38] <bobbyd> how how do I get compiz working after I install it?
[10:39] <kristjan_> wolferine: what was your problem anyway?
[10:39] <wolferine> bobbyd, how do you install it?
[10:39] <K`zan> N6REJ: a REAL deal when it comes with CityNav (~$100 or so by itself).
[10:39] <bobbyd> wolferine: just from adept
[10:39] <jhutchins> anmol: It's testing software, not production.  If you want to participate in developmental testing, see www.kde.org and #kde-devel.
[10:39] <chijin> kristjan_: what's that window decoration?
[10:39] <anmol> thanks
[10:39] <wolferine> kristjan_, want to play a game, then be able to head back into my WM, and vise versa
[10:39] <kristjan_> chijin: suse2
[10:39] <wolferine> vice*
[10:39] <MervTeck> >.< i cant read that >.< and i also cant find that page exactly
[10:39] <kristjan_> wolferine: using alt-tab?
[10:40] <wolferine> bobbyd, should be in your menu
[10:40] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, this is progress sort of, but means more questions.... the "hosts" file for the laptop is empty, its doesn't know anything about the server, yet it found it.  that must mean my personal pc is still try to serve up ics or something
[10:40] <wolferine> kristjan_, no, that doesnt work, just any method really
[10:40] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: You're running into several problems at once.  You have to fix them one a time.
[10:40] <wolferine> hopefully logical
[10:40] <kristjan_> wolferine: isn't pressing ctl+alt+f7 and ctl+alt+f8 about same?
[10:40] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: yeah!
[10:40] <jhutchins> N6REJ: SMB/WINS is entirely seperate from TCPIP.  Doesn't use the hosts file.
[10:40] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I'm wondering now if my big box is still comprimised
[10:40] <bobbyd> wolferine: where? I can't see it anywhere...
[10:41] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: How did the laptop find it?  Via \\driftwood, or via "ping driftwood"?  The difference is WINS vs. DNS there.
[10:41] <N6REJ> jhutchins: explain please?
[10:41] <wolferine> f8 ?
[10:41] <wolferine> never used f8
[10:41] <kristjan_> MervTeck: ? what takes you so long?
[10:41] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: \\driftwood
[10:41] <kristjan_> wolferine: I mean with xinit
[10:41] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: I never trust a Windows box that's been compromised unless I nuke it from orbit.  There's just too many ways to hide malware in Windows.
[10:41] <N6REJ> orbit?
[10:42] <jhutchins> N6REJ: samba is SMB/WINS - windows networking.  Not a simple explanation.
[10:42] <MervTeck> Kristjan: lol well one i cant read your screen and 2 what im in is similar to what u have bbut not the same as mine really...
[10:42] <N6REJ> jhutchins: oh ok
[10:42] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: \\driftwood success means that WINS is sorta working.
[10:42] <K`zan> Where is the kernel config for the running kernel in Ubuntu, I dread having to configure a kernel from scratch...
[10:42] <wolferine> kristjan_, please explain
[10:42] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I never have either
[10:42] <wolferine> bobbyd, under System ?
[10:42] <kristjan_> MervTeck: sure, your's is in different language
[10:42] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: "nuke it from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure." - cheesy line from an even cheesier movie.
[10:42] <kristjan_> wolferine: where did you application start using that xinit trick?
[10:43] <K`zan> TSWoodV: Nuking from orbit, has so many delightful possibilities LOL!
[10:43] <MervTeck> Kristjan: but i also have everything in a list not liek yours, theres no back button or nothing
[10:43] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: CC, thats kinda what I'm afraid of.  Can I safely move my "data" to the *nix box and know thats its integrity is ok on the reup?
[10:43] <wolferine> i went into a shell, alt-ctrl-f1
[10:43] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Hijack this is a good start, but did you run it from safe mode?  I'd pull the HD and stick it in another Windows box or an external enclosure and scan it with the other box.  Antivirus, anti-spyware, rootkit finders, etc.
[10:43] <wolferine> started the game
[10:43] <kristjan_> MervTeck: post yours then
[10:43] <jhutchins> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090605/quotes
[10:43] <N6REJ> damn if I didn't want to play win games!
[10:43] <MervTeck> i dont even have the ACPI list
[10:43] <wolferine> then I can ctrl-alt-f7 back into my wm
[10:43] <jhutchins> (reference for the original quote)
[10:43] <TSWoodV> K`zan: It sure does.  Makes a nice level spot for the next computer too!  Smooth and glassy! ;-)(
[10:43] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: no I didn't run hijack from safemod
[10:44] <K`zan> N6REJ: I gave up on a lot of games simply because I had to run them under wincrap :-(.
[10:44] <kristjan_> wolferine: yeah and the game still runs in ctl alt f8?
[10:44] <kristjan_> wolferine: so it's basically same as alt-tab
[10:44] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Load clamav on the Linux box, update it via freshclam, and scan the data files once you get them to the Ubuntu box.
[10:45] <wolferine> oh, it failed when I went back into ctrl-alt-f1
[10:45] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Note, I don't particularly trust clamav to catch everything.  No antivirus product will do that on any platform.  But it's another tool that you can use.
[10:45] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, I'll take an 80G that I have in my winbox that I'm not really using and move that over else I won't have enough room
[10:45] <kristjan_> wolferine: ah forget it then...
[10:45] <wolferine> so if i c-a-f1, start game, then c-a-f7 back, i want to c-a-f8 to get back into the game?
[10:45] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I'm only worried about "data".  The program I can either replace or hopefully find the key to
[10:45] <kristjan_> MervTeck: what tabs you got?
[10:46] <N6REJ> there are only 2 that I care about and thats adobe and blaze
[10:46] <kristjan_> MervTeck: 7 tabs?
[10:46] <wolferine> cause c-a-f1 doesnt work, the game is cancelled
[10:46] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Your best bet to make sure that there's a lesser chance of malware defeating your scanning tools is to run them in safe mode.  And that's not even enough to ensure that you've not got bad stuff already running.
[10:46] <wolferine> i just have a shell prompt
[10:46] <blekos> somethings wrong with my Kontact (using feisty fawn) and when i press check for new mails i get the message "transmisison complete. no new messages" but it has not even attempted to connect to my accounts!!
[10:46] <wolferine> find it bobbyd
[10:46] <wolferine> ?
[10:46] <MervTeck> Kristjan: 1 sec uploading
[10:46] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: yep... only real way and wipe, kill partitions, and then rebuild
[10:46] <bobbyd> wolferine: it's not there for me under feisty
[10:46] <MervTeck> Kristjan:http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot3xe6.jpg
[10:47] <bobbyd> wolferine: I just installed compiz-kde
[10:47] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Google for DBAN.  Daryl's Boot and Nuke.  Self-contained ISO that really gives a hard drive a good scrubbing.
[10:47] <N6REJ> *sigh*
[10:47] <K`zan> Ubuntu gives you a binary kernel without /proc/config?  REALLY?
[10:47] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, will doo.
[10:47] <emsd> how to install sagem fast 800 in ubuntu
[10:47] <K`zan> Man, that sucks MAJORLY.
[10:47] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Just for info's sake, what types of anti-malware software were you running on that box when it got hit?
[10:47] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: thanks for all your help
[10:47] <N6REJ> avg
[10:48] <N6REJ> windows defender
[10:48] <kristjan_> MervTeck: too bad, seems you can't use it to put cpu on max frequency
[10:48] <N6REJ> windows firewall
[10:48] <wolferine> ah fiesty
[10:48] <wolferine> no idea then
[10:48] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: That scares me.  AVG has done me well.  Windows Defender sucks, though.
[10:48] <MervTeck> =\
[10:48] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Try Avast then.
[10:48] <wolferine> u dont have an icon for it somewhere bobbyd ?
[10:48] <fdoving> K`zan: the config is found in /boot/config-*
[10:48] <bobbyd> wolferine: not that I can see :(
[10:48] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: yeah, I was blown away... wait a minute was it avg or avast let me look
[10:48] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Was it reasonably up to date?
[10:48] <kristjan_> MervTeck: can you launch the battery monitor in fist tab lower right corner?
[10:48] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: avast
[10:48] <N6REJ> yes
[10:48] <N6REJ> it auto updates
[10:49] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: That scares me too.  I hear lots of good things about avast.
[10:49] <wolferine> bobbyd, open a shell then sudo ps -A
[10:49] <K`zan> fdoving: Just found it, thanks, WHEW :-)!
[10:49] <wolferine> this will list your processes
[10:49] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: its never steered me wrong before now, HOWEVER I did have a setting on the router that "filter redirection" was set off, and upnp was on
[10:49] <wolferine> if its in there, its running
[10:49] <jhutchins> bobbyd: So you're helping beta test Feisty.  File any good bugreports yet?
[10:49] <wolferine> and you will need the manager to run it
[10:49] <N6REJ> don't know that that had anything to do with it.
[10:50] <bobbyd> jhutchins: nope.
[10:50] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: OH, that reminds me, major change, I have upnp turned off on the winbox, could that be causing issues?
[10:50] <bobbyd> jhutchins: it works fine for me, apart from this.
[10:50] <bobbyd> jhutchins: have you filed any?
[10:50] <jhutchins> bobbyd: Not much point in beta testing if you don't find the bugs.
[10:50] <wolferine> compiz-manager probably
[10:50] <jhutchins> bobbyd: Nope, I'm on different projects.
[10:51] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: UPnP won't be needed for samba.
[10:51] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I was told it was a security hole and to close it
[10:51] <wolferine> what do u think then kristjan_?
[10:51] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Tighten that router up.  Again, I'd stick dd-wrt on it and tighten the firewall a lot.
[10:51] <N6REJ> shieldsup says I'm stealthed.
[10:51] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: wish I knew how to.
[10:51] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Windows itself is a security hole.  Especially the little known and used services.
[10:51] <bobbyd> jhutchins: I'm not testing, I'm using
[10:52] <jhutchins> bobbyd: No, you're testing.
[10:52] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: *nod*
[10:52] <wolferine> bobbyd, your testing it?
[10:52] <bobbyd> jhutchins: um, no, I'm using
[10:52] <jhutchins> bobbyd: Feisty isn't released yet, it's beta.
[10:52] <bobbyd> jhutchins: and?
[10:52] <kristjan_> wolferine: about what? I don't remember my apps crashing in ctrl alt f8, then again I don't use that xinit thing almost at all
[10:52] <jhutchins> bobbyd: That's what unreleased beta means.
[10:52] <wolferine> so do you recommend using a new user?
[10:52] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: well, thanks for the help, I see I've got a lot to do, going to have to nibble at it.
[10:53] <wolferine> just to play games
[10:53] <bobbyd> jhutchins: sorry, I think you're confused. I'm using feisty right now, I have been for a while.
[10:53] <bobbyd> jhutchins: I don't need to file bug report as it's working fine for me
[10:53] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I wonder if they came through skype?
[10:53] <wolferine> bobbyd, your distracted
[10:53] <wolferine> ill help you some other time
[10:53] <jhutchins> bobbyd: I think you're confused about beta software and why you run it.
[10:53] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Good luck with it.  Secure your perimeter and make sure that you clean that Windows box.
[10:53] <bobbyd> jhutchins: not at all
[10:53] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: cc
[10:53] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Any network application is a security hole.
[10:53] <jhutchins> wolferine: Go ahead and help him, he doesn't understand anyway.
[10:53] <wolferine> yeah, I realize
[10:54] <bobbyd> jhutchins: you seem to have some preconcieved notion of what other people should do with free software :)
[10:54] <wolferine> so ill pass :)
[10:54] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: If you have a copy of the Hijack this log, pastebin it.  Wonder what got you?
[10:54] <wolferine> he just wants to fuss
[10:54] <N6REJ> K`zan: I'm going to be afk for AWHILE
[10:54] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, hang on.
[10:54] <kristjan_> MervTeck: can you press on this button? http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/2694/pilt2xr5.png
[10:54] <K`zan> N6REJ: rr, enjoy :-) sk
[10:54] <bobbyd> jhutchins: as far as I'm concerned, I can do whatever I like with it. I'm a user, not part of a beta-test.
[10:55] <fdoving> jhutchins, wolferine, bobbyd, you can perfectly fine use beta software without reporting bugs if it works perfectly for you. however some of the idea with beta software is to get feedback and give the developers a chance to fix issues before the real release. so if you experience a problem and don't report it, everybody looses.
[10:55] <jhutchins> bobbyd: Of course you can do what you want with it, to the extent that it works.  If you use it though, you are testing it, because it's not final yet.  It's made available so lots of people can run it and find the bugs.
[10:56] <jhutchins> fdoving: Well put.
[10:56] <jjesse> hello i've reparitioned my drive and now i can't access the disk & filesystems module of system settings
[10:56] <jjesse> i get a message that the module can't be loaded
[10:56] <bobbyd> fdoving: if I find bug I'll report them, I don't find anything that annoys me, so I don't report anything
[10:57] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: go to http://www.treeturner.com/hijackthis.log
[10:57] <wolferine> fdoving, ok.....
[10:57] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: look at line 17
[10:57] <N6REJ> or I should say section 17
[10:57] <fdoving> bobbyd: great :)
[10:57] <luis_> hola
[10:57] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Page not found.
[10:58] <luis_> hablan espaol
[10:58] <fdoving> !es | luis_
[10:58] <ubotu> luis_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:58] <bobbyd> fdoving: of course, if I reported every bug I see in KDE/GNU/Linux I would spend all my time reporting bugs :)
[10:58] <N6REJ> damn, helps if I put it in www instead of root
[10:59] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: try again
[10:59] <fdoving> bobbyd: please do. or atleast check that they are already reported.
[10:59] <bobbyd> fdoving: I'm contributing some code to KDE4 (or at least I have some patches in progress) so at least I'm doing something :)
[10:59] <fdoving> bobbyd: great :)
[10:59] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Again, page not found...
[10:59] <MervTeck> Why you so stupid! You not hungry for girl! YOU HUNGRY FOR HOT POCKETSSSSSS. HOT POCKETSSSSS!
[11:00] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Got it
[11:00] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: whew, I was gonna say It works for me.
[11:00] <luis_> please
[11:00] <wolferine> it appears this is not so straight-forward (moving between a fullscreen game and the desktop)
[11:00] <luis_> podrian ayudarme
[11:00] <fdoving> !es | luis_
[11:00] <ubotu> luis_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:00] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: those ips were in my "dns servers" area
[11:01] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: And those aren't right?
[11:01] <fdoving> wolferine: did you try ctrl-alt + and - ?
[11:01] <luis_> ya lo hise.
[11:01] <bobbyd> fdoving: I completely understand the concept behind beta software, I'm a developer. I suppose what I was saying to jhutchins was that I'm under no obligation to do anything. I have reported bugs in the past, and I will in the future, but most of the things that annoy me are so obvious that they're usually already reported.
[11:01] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: NO WAY!!!!  mine are 69.
[11:01] <luis_>  no hablan
[11:01] <wolferine> fdoving, no, I didnt
[11:01] <N6REJ> and instead of "automatically get" it was hard set
[11:01] <wolferine> what does the + - do?
[11:01] <wolferine> cycle the ttyl?
[11:02] <fdoving> wolferine: cycle resolutions if you have more than one setup.
[11:02] <N6REJ> do a google on that class "c" and you'll crud
[11:02] <wolferine> setup?
[11:02] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Update your realplayer too.  And QuickTime.
[11:02] <wolferine> in xorg.conf?
[11:02] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: k
[11:02] <fdoving> wolferine: yes.
[11:02] <wolferine> ah, ok, thats not what I need, I beleive
[11:02] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I hate qt but I have to have it for some programs.... same with rp
[11:02] <wolferine> believe*
[11:02] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: And iTunes.
[11:03] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: IT should be up to date
[11:03] <jhutchins> bobbyd: Some people are under the impressio that pre-release software is supposed to be "bigger and better", and then don't understand when they can't get it all to work.
[11:03] <bobbyd> jhutchins: not me :)
[11:03] <jhutchins> good.
[11:03] <bobbyd> jhutchins: but it is bigger and better :)
[11:03] <jhutchins> Sorry to get all off-topic about it.
[11:03] <wolferine> off topic can be good
[11:04] <Kr4t05> Okay...
[11:04] <bobbyd> jhutchins: no problem at all. I just don't like being dictated to, especially after the day I've had.
[11:04] <N6REJ> jhutchins: do you know if there is any wine/cedega that will run adobe yet?
[11:04] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: And check Acrobat too.
[11:04] <kristjan_> fdoving: what happened to that mervteck?
[11:04] <fdoving> kristjan_: he left.
[11:04] <jhutchins> There was a time when you really had to push into the latest unstable packages in order to get stuff working, but these days you can run a pretty current and productive system and stay with stable/released packages.
[11:05] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Depends on what adobe.
[11:05] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, so purge and install only new software... get rid of the backups.
[11:05] <jhutchins> Wine is something that's worth updating if you can't run something.
[11:05] <N6REJ> jhutchins: I really need photoshop and imageready
[11:05] <kristjan_> fdoving: weird, his last line does not make any sense? what girl?
[11:05] <jhutchins> N6REJ: I don't think so.
[11:05] <N6REJ> jhutchins: DARN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:05] <jhutchins> N6REJ: I know a lot of pro's who use gimp.
[11:05] <luis_> me podrian desir como  cambiar de sala?
[11:06] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Adobe knows there's a Linux market out here, they just haven't decided how to tap it.
[11:06] <N6REJ> jhutchins: I'm starting to do alot of flash work, I have swish coming
[11:06] <bobbyd> N6REJ: try gimpshop in the meantime
[11:06] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Roger that.  And make sure that you turn off system restore.  That's a cesspool usually.
[11:06] <N6REJ> jhutchins: yeah, I've heard they're making the move
[11:06] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Most animated films are rendered with Linux, so the graphical tools are out there.
[11:06] <Kr4t05> I have an nVidia Geforce 6200 with the drivers 1.0-9742 installed. I currently have a TwinView configuration setup with my two CRT monitors, but I want to add a third display (A TV connected via the S-Video out on my card) to the configuration. nvidia-settings detects theTV, so I add it as a separate X Server. However, when I restart X and log back in, the TV is disabled again...
[11:06] <N6REJ> bobbyd: ok, I will ty!
[11:06] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: cc
[11:06] <N6REJ> jhutchins: ok, I'll have to learn to use them.
[11:07] <Kr4t05> X Session*, rather
[11:07] <jhutchins> N6REJ: ImageMagick is pretty amazing - image manipulation from the command line!
[11:07] <N6REJ> debates on weither he should just dump everything OR try to save data
[11:07] <N6REJ> anyone know if they can comprimise imagery?
[11:08] <jhutchins> N6REJ: comprise?
[11:08] <jhutchins> !es | luis_
[11:08] <ubotu> luis_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:08] <N6REJ> *grrrrrr infect, stick a virus in it
[11:09] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Compromise.  Yeah, it's possible, especially for Windows.
[11:09] <N6REJ> jhutchins: DAMN!  I've got MEGS of business logos
[11:09] <phpcoin> luis_ tecla /join #kubuntu-es
[11:09] <jhutchins> N6REJ: You should be ok if you run a decent scanner on 'em.
[11:10] <N6REJ> jhutchins: k
[11:10] <jhutchins> Nice thing is that in Linux they're unlikely to propagate or do any harm.
[11:10] <jhutchins> N6REJ: I run clamav, but there are others.
[11:10] <sax> Hi, everyone, I recently switched from G to KDE and I'm very happy with it.  Earlier today, OOo was working fine, but it suddenly stopped.  Any comments?  No errors in terminal...Hi, everyone, I recently switched from G to KDE and I'm very happy with it.  Earlier today, OOo was working fine, but it suddenly stopped.  Any comments?  No errors in terminal...
[11:11] <N6REJ> jhutchins: ok.
[11:11] <sax> I really need it, because all my homework is in odt format...
[11:11] <jhutchins> Kr4t05: Don't know any answers, but you're not the only one who's had problems like that (if it makes you feel any better).
[11:11] <Kr4t05> jhutchins: Only slightly. :P
[11:11] <jhutchins> sax: koffice or abiword may be able to open it.  I've had issues with it not opening any existing documents suddenly too.
[11:11] <Kr4t05> I'm about to do some forum-hunting, any way...
[11:12] <sax> Hm.  See, I tried abiword, and Open office won't even execute.
[11:12] <sax> I haven't tried koffice.
[11:12] <jhutchins> sax: I can't edit my timesheets so I can get paid!
[11:12] <sax> hm.  wow
[11:13] <sax> does OOo have a KDE problem?
[11:13] <jhutchins> sax.  Hm.  Good question.
[11:13] <RealisticDragon> i dont think so, i use OO.o a lot on KDE
[11:13] <sax> I get the little bouncing icon under my cursor when I click the menu option, but it won't open.  I'm going to ctrl alt backspace, back in a minute...
[11:13] <RealisticDragon> of course the plural of anecdote is not data :)
[11:14] <blekos> hi, any idea why my kmail does not connect to internet?
[11:14] <hellcattrav> ok, whats the difference between kubuntu and opensuse...opensuse the wireless doesn't work
[11:14] <RealisticDragon> you said you had tried running oowriter from ther terminal right?
[11:14] <jhutchins> RealisticDragon: Yeah, it worked fine for me until I got a new printer, then it's toast.
[11:14] <RealisticDragon> blekos: have you checked your mail server settings?
[11:14] <RealisticDragon> meh, i hate printers
[11:14] <hellcattrav> im trying to compare the two and opensuse seems better but for the fact that I can't get on the net wirelessly
[11:14] <RealisticDragon> i havent had one in years, hard copy just clutters the place up
[11:15] <RealisticDragon> hellcattrav: all versions of linux are built from the same basic parts, but not necessarily in exactly the same way
[11:15] <RealisticDragon> if wireless works in ubuntu you can probably get it working in opensuse, how hard itll be i dont know
[11:15] <blekos> although i have not changed anything from yesterday the strange thing is that i can send an email but not get any. I get the message "transmission complete.no new messages"
[11:16] <hellcattrav> at least in kubuntu i could get on the net and hooked the printer up before it booted into a text mode(but i think i might have firgured out the problem)but still wanted to experiment,b but I think its now a bad idea
[11:16] <RealisticDragon> if you open up a terminal and type lspci itll tell you what wireless card you have (and the chipset) which will let you ask the opensuse folk how you fix it
[11:16] <blekos> it is like, it's checking 127.0.0.0
[11:16] <sax> WEEEIIRRRRDDDD.... I ran "sudo openoffice", got some errors, and it worked fine!
[11:16] <RealisticDragon> sax: sounds like there is a permissions problem there somewhere
[11:16] <blekos> it doesnt even pop ups the boxes that say "checking for mail in account xxx"
[11:16] <RealisticDragon> sax: you can try removing and reinstalling open office with adept and see if that fixes it
[11:17] <sax> yeah, where's the pastebin for kubuntu?
[11:17] <sax> I forgot the url
[11:17] <RealisticDragon> blekos: sounds like the address for the remote server is wrong... 127.0.0.1 is the address of your machine
[11:17] <hellcattrav> ive tried that and well not really gotten very far
[11:17] <blekos> well i ment 0.1
[11:17] <Alonea> why is it when I play a CD on amarok my computer goes a bit unstable? mostly its my mouse pointer stalls and goes erratic.
[11:17] <blekos> u r right
[11:17] <sax> !pastebin
[11:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:17] <sax> there we goo...
[11:18] <RealisticDragon> blekos: id you go into account settings you can see there what the address it has for your mail server
[11:18] <RealisticDragon> if you dont know what that should be set to im afraid you need to give your ISP a ring
[11:18] <RealisticDragon> its in settings, configure, accounts, recieving
[11:18] <RealisticDragon> in kmail
[11:19] <RealisticDragon> there should be an entry in there for the mail server of your isp
[11:19] <blekos> do u mean my smtp server?
[11:19] <RealisticDragon> smtp is outgoing
[11:19] <blekos> sorry, my pop3 server?
[11:19] <RealisticDragon> pop3 is incomming
[11:19] <RealisticDragon> yep
[11:19] <blekos> my pop3 server r ok, i got 4 email accounts
[11:19] <sax> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11576/  Just to recap, OOo only opens when I use sudo, I get those errors, and it acts funny but works.
[11:19] <blekos> i tried reinstalled but no luck
[11:19] <RealisticDragon> oh, sorry, is it outgoing thats not working?
[11:20] <blekos> bloody hell, i messed it up
[11:20] <blekos> ok, it is incoming not working
[11:20] <blekos> i can send but i do not get
[11:20] <SilentM> Anyone here use Avant Window Navigator?
[11:20] <blekos> i doubled checked my setting but everything "seems" right
[11:21] <RealisticDragon> did you check the security settings as well for each account?
[11:21] <RealisticDragon> sax: those errors are normal when running GUI programmes with sudo because they need access to applications that are running as the user
[11:21] <jhutchins> RealisticDragon: Took some doing but nope, crashes under xfce too.
[11:22] <jhutchins> !kdesu
[11:22] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[11:22] <RealisticDragon> since it runs fine as root i would try removing and reinstalling open office via adept (alt-space adept) and then see if it works :)
[11:22] <blekos> yep. for example i press on "check what server supports" and i get an answer
[11:22] <sax> okay.  thanks jhutchins
[11:22] <blekos> the thing is, when i press check for mail i get an *instant* message that transmission is complete
[11:23] <RealisticDragon> blekos: if that bit works but you still cant get mail im sorry but its beyond my knowledge :/ you can try launchpad.net where there are a lot more people who might know about it
[11:23] <madmonk> hi all
[11:23] <RealisticDragon> blekos: sure its not working and you dont just have no messages? :)
[11:23] <madmonk> I've got a problem with kubuntu edgy
[11:23] <RealisticDragon> jhutchins: sorry i lost track, what was your problem?
[11:23] <jhutchins> blekos: Try a different protocol, like imap instead of pop.
[11:23] <madmonk> amule + guarddog doen't work
[11:23] <jhutchins> RealisticDragon: Oh, wierd oo crashes on existing docs.
[11:23] <madmonk> >:-(
[11:24] <RealisticDragon> madmonk: guarddog is a firewal right? and amule is a emule client?
[11:24] <madmonk> I opened all the right ports
[11:24] <madmonk> yep
[11:24] <jhutchins> RealisticDragon: Can't even open them, just goes to "recovering (blank document)".
[11:24] <RealisticDragon> do you have a hardware router madmonk?
[11:24] <blekos> well, i dont have i map, and RDragon i sent a message to myself and never got it. Also i check my mails on a webserver but never got em on my pc
[11:24] <RealisticDragon> jhutchins: very odd :o
[11:24] <madmonk> ports opened on my router...
[11:24] <RealisticDragon> using upnp? or manual?
[11:24] <jhutchins> I can open them in other spreadsheet programs, but I'm used to the way oocalc works.
[11:24] <madmonk> it always worked with firestarter...
[11:25] <RealisticDragon> ok
[11:25] <jhutchins> Anyway, time to go feed the horses.  L8rs.
[11:25] <madmonk> but now i'm on a fresh install and my mission is to get guarddog+amule to work! :p
[11:25] <madmonk> everything is configured fine here
[11:26] <madmonk> except for guarddog i guess...
[11:26] <RealisticDragon> does iptables -L give something that looks sensible?
[11:26] <madmonk> wait...
[11:26] <RealisticDragon> you need to run that with sudo
[11:27] <velle> anyone has experience with speech synthesis (I need my computer to read out loud), e.g. Festival or Orca?
[11:27] <madmonk> k...i think now it needs some time to get the info...
[11:27] <madmonk> got it...wait...
[11:27] <Tm_T> velle: I do use Festival
[11:27] <RealisticDragon> you can use pastebin (from the topic) to post it :)
[11:28] <madmonk> ok! I'll use it...
[11:28] <madmonk> er...where is pastebin?
[11:28] <madmonk> a ok...
[11:28] <RealisticDragon> !pastebin
[11:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:28] <madmonk> the topic XD
[11:29] <rocksound> hola
[11:29] <velle> Tm_T: Ok, I guess I need a little help :)
[11:29] <rocksound> hola
[11:29] <rocksound> me podrian ayudar
[11:30] <Tm_T> velle: spit it out
[11:30] <Tm_T> rocksound: english please :)
[11:30] <pollyo> Hello
[11:30] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with virtualization under linux?
[11:30] <velle> Tm_T: I find the manual to be difficult to understand, and LONG. All I want is to have a text file read out loud, shouldnt that be easy?
[11:31] <Tm_T> velle: yes, install ktts
[11:31] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: OK...I pasted it...
[11:31] <pollyo> I was reading about qemu and it mentioned virtualization could be a faster option.
[11:31] <ssickle> velle: I use ksayit and it is an easy to use kde text to speech setup.
[11:31] <madmonk> can u take a look?
[11:31] <Tm_T> velle: ksayit etc
[11:31] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: can u take a look?
[11:31] <RealisticDragon> it should give you a link :)
[11:31] <madmonk> a ok
[11:31] <rocksound> hola como pongo esto men espaol
[11:31] <madmonk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11577/
[11:31] <ssickle> My setup is using festival in the backend and kttsd as the glue.
[11:31] <Tm_T> velle: my Kopete speak messages etc :)
[11:31] <rocksound> como pongo esto en espaol
[11:32] <Tm_T> ssickle: that's typical setup
[11:32] <Tm_T> !es | rocksound
[11:32] <ubotu> rocksound: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:32] <velle> Tm_T: So Festival is more for the hardcore stuff? And I should stick to one of those two?
[11:32] <RealisticDragon> looking now madmonk
[11:32] <madmonk> ok
[11:32] <Tm_T> velle: festifal is engine, you need reasonable GUI
[11:33] <RealisticDragon> man this is why i write my firewalls by hand this is hard to grok :)
[11:33] <velle> Tm_T: I suspected that, but their manual was too much for me to really find out :)
[11:33] <Tm_T> velle: I can imagine
[11:34] <filemover> hi ive got a screen res problem ive got a nvidia 6000 series 256mb video card and i cant get the right settings for it also my xorg.conf file is just empty after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg can anyone help
[11:34] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: ???
[11:34] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: so??
[11:34] <machoopy> How come the 'at' command never works?
[11:35] <RealisticDragon> madmonk: sorry madmonk, from what i can see i cant see any reason why its not working
[11:35] <RealisticDragon> there seems to be an accept all input line in there, so it should be fine :o
[11:35] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: neither me!!! :(
[11:35] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: yep
[11:35] <machoopy> This used to be my favorite command to use, because I would have my music common during the music.  Why doesn't the 'at' command refuse to exec its commands?
[11:35] <machoopy> *come on
[11:35] <RealisticDragon> might be worth talking to the people t guarddog.. and i apologise, but i need to run
[11:36] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: ok...thank u so much..
[11:36] <RealisticDragon> np
[11:36] <RealisticDragon> sorry i couldnt really help
[11:36] <|Iwonder|> machoopy: what is at?
[11:36] <RealisticDragon> good luck :)
[11:36] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: thanx for yr time anyway ;)
[11:36] <filemover> hi ive got a screen res problem ive got a nvidia 6000 series 256mb video card and i cant get the right settings for it also my xorg.conf file is just empty after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg can anyone help
[11:36] <machoopy> |Iwonder|: it is the command that is similar to cron is some respects.
[11:37] <|Iwonder|> never heard of at
[11:37] <machoopy> |Iwonder|: like I will type in the konsole: "at 1am tomorrow <enter>  do this <ctrl d>
[11:37] <madmonk> can anybody help me with guarddog + amule??
[11:37] <machoopy> The at command has a bug in it.  The developers need to fix it
[11:38] <|Iwonder|> mine works
[11:38] <machoopy> It is a very bad bug to have, because a lot of people use the 'at' command.
[11:38] <machoopy> Ask it to do something, and it won't do it.
[11:38] <|Iwonder|> madmonk: does netstat -l show it listening?
[11:38] <madmonk> wait..
[11:38] <filemover> hi ive got a screen res problem ive got a nvidia 6000 series 256mb video card and i cant get the right settings for it also my xorg.conf file is just empty after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg can anyone help
[11:38] <velle> ssickle: I have installed KSayIt now, and entered a line "My name is Bill", and pressed play. But it never plays, it just keeps saying "Synthesizing".
[11:38] <|Iwonder|> machoopy: give me an example
[11:39] <|Iwonder|> in english
[11:39] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: port 4662 is LISTEN
[11:39] <machoopy> |Iwonder|: Okay, hold just a sec.
[11:39] <kristjan_> filemover: try these forums http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14
[11:39] <filemover> thnx
[11:39] <Hasrat_USA> good evening everyone
[11:40] <|Iwonder|> k load nmap
[11:40] <|Iwonder|> with gui
[11:40] <machoopy> |Iwonder|:  If I tell it to play my music in the morning, to wake me up, it never ends up doing that very thing.  The command will respond, as if it is going to work, but it never executes the set of commands that I give it.
[11:40] <|Iwonder|> or read help so you can learn the commands,nmap your public ip for that port
[11:41] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: wait...can't follow u
[11:41] <|Iwonder|> there is nothing in /var/log/messages machoopy?
[11:41] <pollyo> Anyone use qemu to run windows from linux?
[11:42] <|Iwonder|> machoopy: load knmap,start it as sudo,soecify the port you wish to scab (you will see where to specify one port),scan your public ip(one given by your isp
[11:42] <hcurbano> fg
[11:42] <madmonk> a k...
[11:42] <madmonk> not talkin to me
[11:42] <|Iwonder|> specify port you wish to scan
[11:43] <|Iwonder|> o
[11:43] <|Iwonder|> excuse me
[11:43] <machoopy> |Iwonder|: huh?  What does this have to do with the 'at' command?
[11:43] <|Iwonder|> bad tab complete
[11:43] <|Iwonder|> madmonk:  that was for you
[11:43] <madmonk> LOL
[11:43] <|Iwonder|> machoopy:  sorry
[11:43] <velle> ssickle: I have installed KSayIt now, and entered a line "My name is Bill", and pressed play. But it never plays, it just keeps saying "Synthesizing". Do you know what is wrong?
[11:43] <machoopy> oh, lol
[11:43] <machoopy> np
[11:43] <madmonk> knmap so...
[11:43] <|Iwonder|> it hist ma (tab)
[11:44] <|Iwonder|> my typing sucks with one hand
[11:45] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: aptgetting it....
[11:46] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: k...what am i supposed to do with knamp?
[11:47] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: anyway...this is my iptables -L http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11577/
[11:47] <|Iwonder|> madmonk: in knmap do you see the option to specify port?
[11:50] <madmonk> |Iwonder|:
[11:50] <madmonk> PORT     STATE  SERVICE
[11:50] <madmonk> 4662/tcp closed edonkey
[11:50] <DrX> can anyone suggest a good way for me to backup a 3.5GB Xen VM sitting on a block device (/dev/sda5)?
[11:50] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: are u there?
[11:50] <|Iwonder|> yes
[11:50] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: it seems closed
[11:51] <|Iwonder|> but netstat -l shows listen?
[11:51] <madmonk> yep
[11:51] <|Iwonder|> possible your isp is blocking it?
[11:51] <madmonk> nope...
[11:51] <madmonk> but
[11:51] <madmonk> listen a second
[11:51] <tominglis> hi, my kaffeine has stopped loading the dvb stuff in feisty, does anyone know why it would do that? there doesn't seem anything wrong with my dvb-t card and the driver is loaded.
[11:51] <|Iwonder|> then you have nat error
[11:51] <pollyo> Anyone run windows under qemu?
[11:51] <madmonk> could it be that i need to add a new "zone " in guarddog?
[11:52] <madmonk> i mean
[11:52] <|Iwonder|> madmonk,cut guarddog off see if it works
[11:52] <|Iwonder|> if it does then the problem is in it
[11:52] <madmonk> u mean uninstall?
[11:52] <|Iwonder|> ps aux|grep guarddog
[11:52] <Hasrat_USA> I could care less about a third-class underrated poorly maintained piece of crap macOS clone OS called Windows, pollyo. sorry
[11:53] <|Iwonder|> kill the pid
[11:53] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: You care enough to comment on them. <grin>  I understand. I'm moving away from windows myself.
[11:53] <Hasrat_USA> pollyo
[11:54] <Hasrat_USA> nope. i cared to reply to your question :P
[11:54] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: didn't work
[11:54] <Hasrat_USA> but seriously, i don't have a valid reason to run a windows application, let alone the whole OS under any type of Emulator
[11:55] <|Iwonder|> madmonk:  ls /etc/init.d see if its in there
[11:55] <|Iwonder|> pollyo:  why would you try/
[11:55] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: yes
[11:55] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: I'm interested only because I am moving from windows to linux.  Otherwise I doubt I would have the interst.
[11:55] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: guarddog script is there
[11:56] <Hasrat_USA> everything I ever wanted came with the distro that im using right now. and almost any distro of GNU/Linux that you can confront nowadays would have almost all the software you need to help you perform your everyday tasks that you used to do previously when you were on windows platform
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> k madmonk type /etc/init.d.guarddog stop
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> ooop
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> k madmonk type /etc/init.d./guarddog stop
[11:56] <pollyo> Iwonder: I am interested in finding out if I have to make a disk image to run the virtualization on or if I can somehow use my partion that is windows.
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> damn it
[11:56] <madmonk> LOL
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> k madmonk type /etc/init.d/guarddog stop
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> this bum finger is hell
[11:56] <Hasrat_USA> pollyo: are you on your way from Winblows to GNU/Linux or have already moved or are still planning on what to do and what not to do? i mean have you committed to linux yet?
[11:57] <Hasrat_USA> or, have you committed yourself fully to linux yet?
[11:57] <madmonk> done
[11:57] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: I am now looking at GNU/Liunux.  I am on a machine now that I can boot into windows or linux.
[11:57] <|Iwonder|> k madmonk recheck nmap output
[11:57] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: ShiT!!!! It worked!!!
[11:57] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: There are some programs that I stil use on windows that are not supported on linux.
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> !language | madmonk:
[11:57] <ubotu> madmonk:: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:57] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: my amule is connected fine!
[11:57] <Hasrat_USA> pollyo: such as?
[11:57] <|Iwonder|> k fix your guarddog/iptables
[11:58] <|Iwonder|> i would think you need a new rule
[11:58] <|Iwonder|> but i'm no iptables expert
[11:58] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: k...which one??
[11:58] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: For example I have AIM trinitron with a phone number that comes to my computer that people call me on often.
[11:58] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: They do not have an AIM with telephone support for linux at this time.
[11:58] <|Iwonder|> pollyo:  why not emulate the app you need,not the whole os
[11:59] <pollyo> Iwonder: Emulate the app? With what?
[11:59] <|Iwonder|> cedega?
[11:59] <stdin> !wine
[11:59] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:59] <|Iwonder|> xwine
[11:59] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: what should i look for??
[11:59] <pollyo> I have wine running and the AIM program does not work with it.
[11:59] <Hasrat_USA> well pollyo you can do almost whatever you want with GNU/Linux. who's stopping you? you can grab vmware and run a whole windows OS if you want
[11:59] <pollyo> I've tried that.
[11:59] <Nullbyte> Hey guys, is it possible to play m4a files in kubuntu? :)
[12:00] <|Iwonder|> madmonk: i really dunno shit about iptables
[12:00] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: That is what I was asking about with qemu
[12:00] <firecrotch> !m4a
[12:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:00] <madmonk> op!! language!!! XD
[12:00] <|Iwonder|> try man iptables
[12:00] <stdin> Nullbyte: m4a are usually mpeg4 audio, so, unless they have some sort of DRM, you can
[12:01] <firecrotch> !pg > firecrotch
[12:01] <Hasrat_USA> I apologize pollyo. See...Adobe Flash Authoring software is one of my most favourite apps but they haven't ported it to Gnu/linux yet. I'm thinking about installing Wine and see if Flash runs on it
[12:01] <madmonk> well...i just would like to use guarddog..
[12:01] <|Iwonder|> guarddog is just a front end to iptables,i'm sure it has a kde help
[12:02] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: The wineHQ site appears to have a database of applications that people have tested on it.  Perhaps they will be able to inform you of the level of compatibility it has with wine.
[12:02] <madmonk> k...i'll look after it..
[12:02] <|Iwonder|> i've just never used it
[12:02] <madmonk> thank u so much anyway
[12:02] <|Iwonder|> anytime
[12:03] <|Iwonder|> i'm sure someone on here knows how to add a rule,you may have to wait til they become active
[12:03] <pollyo> Iwonder: In guarddog?
[12:04] <|Iwonder|> yeah
[12:04] <Hasrat_USA> i Don't know squat about Quemo, nor do i think anyone knows or cares too much about running an windows app in here...but you can always give vmware a try. it's awesome for people who haven't been able to be comfortable with not being able to use software they have been using for a long time in windows
[12:04] <|Iwonder|> madmonk:  needs a rule to allow traffic
[12:04] <madmonk> I added all the rules dude
[12:04] <pollyo> Iwonder: I think it can be done under the advanced tab.
[12:04] <madmonk> look at my iptables -L
[12:04] <DrX> help!  mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/mountpoint fails with "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock"
[12:04] <|Iwonder|> question is which does it listen on
[12:05] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: I'll check it out.  Thanks for the suggestion.
[12:05] <Hasrat_USA> why the f@#$ is Konversation/freenode server lagging tonight?
[12:05] <firecrotch> DrX: you need to specify the filesystem type
[12:05] <Alonea> Hasrat_USA: have no idea. It was lagging for me bad yesterday
[12:05] <pollyo> madmonk: I haven't added any rules but after you added the rule did you go to the Protocol tabe and allow it?
[12:06] <madmonk> pollyo: yes
[12:06] <madmonk> pollyo: did it
[12:06] <Hasrat_USA> You're welcome. Basically I haven't attempted to use/install any kind of Windows Emulator but if I really needed to run one, i would go for VMware.
[12:06] <Alonea> Hasrat_USA: and it did it on all my IRC programs too.
[12:06] <|Iwonder|> madmonk: why is set to anywhere:anywhere have the rule?
[12:06] <Hasrat_USA> yeah it's pissing me off Alonea
[12:06] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: Is VMware free or something that I need to purchase?
[12:07] <|Iwonder|> pollyo: its trial ware
[12:07] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: did u read my pastebin?
[12:07] <Alonea> Hasrat_USA: My whole system has been a bloody devil to me.
[12:07] <|Iwonder|> yes madmonk
[12:07] <Hasrat_USA> if you want to purchase the pro version, then good. or else you can always go for either the free or trial version
[12:07] <Jucato> pollyo: vmware-player and vmware-server are free (as in beer)
[12:07] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: dunno
[12:07] <pollyo> Iwonder: Great I can try it along with qemu.
[12:07] <Hasrat_USA> oh yeah get vmware player
[12:08] <|Iwonder|> pollyo: i've used vmware,it works well
[12:08] <Hasrat_USA> damn I think i'm allergic to windows i feel uncomfortable when i imagine that i'm using an windows app lol
[12:08] <|Iwonder|> be sure to install the tools after install
[12:08] <Hasrat_USA> i feel like i can't breathe
[12:08] <pollyo> Ok.  Thanks for the input.  I have to run.
[12:08] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: I really think I have to specify somewhere in guarddog my gateway ip and my eth card ip
[12:08] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: Xen is what I run
[12:08] <Hasrat_USA> Alonea: what's wrong with your system and what's your system?
[12:08] <Admiral_Chicago> because its free
[12:09] <pollyo> madmonk: Is this the first time you used gaurddog?
[12:09] <|Iwonder|> i dunno madm
[12:09] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: and the only way i can see is by adding a new zone
[12:09] <Admiral_Chicago> we've been over this iirc
[12:09] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: too complicated forme though... :(
[12:09] <Alonea> Hasrat_USA: Kubuntu. and a lot a things are wrong...
[12:09] <Jucato> "for me"*
[12:09] <pollyo> madmonk: Make sure you allow the DNS and some other things so you can access the web.
[12:09] <|Iwonder|> madmonk:  is your route unusally complex?
[12:09] <madmonk> pollyo: nope...but i never got it to work
[12:09] <DrX> firecrotch, i did (mount -t ext3 /dev/sda5 /mnt/mountpoint) and it gives me EXT3-fs:  journal inode is deleted in syslog
[12:10] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: could be...dunno...
[12:10] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: i mean
[12:10] <|Iwonder|> how many nics do you have madmonk?
[12:10] <Hasrat_USA> i need a quick suggestion from any of you experts in here...i got a system that doesn't have a wireless network card although dell gave me a free wireless router. should i trash the router or keep it? it's gathering dust and taking up space
[12:10] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: eth0 ip is 192.168.1.1 gateway(router) ip is 192.168.1.1
[12:11] <pollyo> madmonk: I was having problems and noticed that I didn't have DNS active or ICMP Redirect.
[12:11] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: just 1
[12:11] <|Iwonder|> madmonk you can't do that
[12:11] <pollyo> madmonk: You might need to permitt them.
[12:11] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: ICMP!!!
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> Hasrat_USA: i'd say sell it if you don't use wireless.
[12:11] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: I didn't add ICMP
[12:11] <|Iwonder|> the nic and gw can't be the same ip
[12:11] <firecrotch> DrX: run a fsck on it, it ought to fix it
[12:11] <pollyo> madmonk: After I set those everything worked fine.
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> but thats a personal opinion
[12:11] <Hasrat_USA> admiral it's a netgear wireless router 54 MB. how much do you think i should charge for it?
[12:11] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: er...bad typing...
[12:12] <|Iwonder|> ok