=== dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #launchpad === dsas_ [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === Susana_ [n=Susana@bl6-6-91.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #launchpad === dsas_ is now known as dsas === Susana_ is now known as Susana === belito` [n=user@190.40.75.138] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@pA35.smi.southcom.com.au] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #launchpad [02:01] New bug: #94611 in launchpad "sprint regsitration error on entering dates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94611 === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === belito [n=user@190.40.75.138] has joined #launchpad === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad [02:20] New bug: #94618 in malone "Tag listings are getting out of control (non-scalable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94618 [02:34] hello, I want to host a bzr repo in launchpad for my LoCos website, and I'm not too sure how... [02:35] beuno: have you seen the "Hosted branches" section of https://code.launchpad.net/ ? [02:35] spiv: nope, checking it out now, thanks [02:36] See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr#head-fd40db97c8b35fa189a0e2e3f6c79a2322637426 === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad [02:36] spiv: so just a simple push does it? [02:43] beuno: providing you have your public ssh key registered with launchpad [02:44] thumper: do I have to register a "product" too? [02:44] beuno: if it is a new product, then yes [02:44] beuno: or if it isn't really a product [02:44] you can put it under +junk [02:45] which is a person branch not attached to a product [02:45] s/person/personal/ [02:47] hmmm, a product requieres a "project" [02:50] beuno: no a project is optional for a product [02:50] aaah, great, thanks [02:51] it says it right there, it's just very *grey* :p === mdke [n=matt@212-139-118-106.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #launchpad [03:05] New bug: #94629 in malone "Javascript column sorting utterly broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94629 === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-132-150.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === spiv_ [n=andrew@86.228.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #launchpad === spiv_ is now known as spiv === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad [04:40] New bug: #94644 in launchpad "[beta] Impossible to find way to approve members from main page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94644 === jkakar [n=jkakar@modemcable206.61-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-132-150.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.22.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [04:54] is it possible launchpad has a delay in showing newly uploaded branches? [04:58] it is in fact true [04:58] it should be very small, like a few minutes [04:58] that explains a lot [04:58] radix: is there a reason for that? [04:58] beuno: porn [04:58] beuno: the bzr branches are mirrored in a process that doesn't allow just arbitrary filed to be copied over; only bzr branches [04:58] s/filed/files/ [04:58] it should be < 2minutes [04:58] it seems it's been 15 or so now [04:58] https://code.beta.launchpad.net/~uluga/ubuntu-ar-website/branch [04:58] then there may be another problem. [04:58] jml: hooray [04:58] beuno: I see a branch with one revision [04:58] jml: yes, but, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~uluga/ubuntu-ar-website/branch/ [04:58] is empty [04:59] empty? [04:59] you mean, you don't see anything with your browser? :) [04:59] no it isn't :( [04:59] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~uluga/ubuntu-ar-website/branch/.bzr/ is fine [04:59] heh [04:59] yes :-) [04:59] now, if someone does a pull from that, we will only get the .bzr dir? [05:00] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~uluga/ubuntu-ar-website/branch/ is a bzr branch [05:00] they can pull it and they will get a branch [05:00] so they'd have to do a checkout to get all the files? [05:00] beuno: correct. [05:00] :D [05:00] they would have to do a branch or a checkout or whatever [05:00] I'm getting the hang of this [05:01] codebrowse! [05:01] lifeless: hooraaay [05:01] lifeless: doesn't quite work for me [05:01] lifeless: I noticed that that's accessible now, really exciting [05:01] (although maybe only on beta?) [05:01] radix: only on beta. [05:01] radix: there are still a few teething problems. [05:02] only _via_ beta [05:02] right :) [05:02] hooray obscurity [05:02] lifeless: accurate prepositions are from the weak [05:03] let's get rid of prepositions and replace them with keyword arguments to verbs [05:03] and make verbs more like functions, of course [05:03] err... 'for the weak' [05:03] heh [05:03] function your verbs? [05:06] I don't quite understand the difference between a branch and a repository [05:07] pointer and content [05:07] I use bzr at work, and everyone has a "repository" and we pull and push around [05:07] its slang, its good enough, but really you are pushing and pulling from branches. [05:08] but when I pull from a repo, I get all the files, not the .bzr [05:08] that's the part I'm missing :D === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad [05:09] beuno: you *also* have a .bzr. branch and repository bookkeeping data is always stored inside a .bzr. [05:09] beuno: there are actually _three_ things: branch, repository and working tree. [05:09] (bzr experts will correct me if I'm wrong, I hope) [05:10] is there anywhere you can point me that explains the differences? [05:10] http://bazaar-vcs.org/Classes === Starting logfile irclogs/launchpad.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #launchpad === Topic for #launchpad: Launchpad users and developers | Next user meeting: Wed 28 March 2007, 0900UTC | Next developer meeting: Thu 22 Mar 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === Topic (#launchpad): set by Kmos at Wed Mar 21 18:54:54 2007 [05:12] and the working tree will only be on the users side [05:12] right [05:12] and presumably on codebrowse. [05:12] can you generate a working tree from a repo+branch pulled from launchpad? [05:12] jml: no working tree there [05:13] lifeless: oh [05:13] beuno: sure. [05:13] and what magic speel would that be with jml? [05:13] beuno: trivially, in fact doing 'bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad...' will give you a tree + branch + repo by default [05:13] spell [05:14] huh, so users should use branch instead of checkout? [05:14] not at all [05:14] checkout also gives you a tree, local branch and repo === beuno stares [05:14] but the local branch is configured to maintain synchronisation with the launchpad branch [05:15] the branch command is used to make a new 'line of development' [05:15] ah, yes, I've noticed whe doing a checkout, commits push the changes [05:15] the checkout command is used to make a new tree to work on an existing 'line of development' [05:16] once I pull a branch, I can modify it, and push it back, right? [05:16] feel free to ignore me when I've taken up too much of your time :D [05:16] sure you can [05:17] theres another channel btw, #bzr, which is full of bzr experts :) [05:17] I'll move it there, just one last question [05:18] is there some place where this is documented? [05:18] I mean as in "launchpad" orientated way [05:18] well [05:18] I understand bzr is well documented [05:18] I dont know what you mean, using launchpad in this context is no different than bzr without it [05:18] because maybe I should take advantage of my learning curve and cook up a "how to" on the wiki [05:19] well, a bit more straight forward, like "I want to use Launchpad to host my project, how can I do that?" [05:20] I think that is, yes. [05:20] but I'm not sure [05:22] beuno: there's some documentation available on code.beta.launchpad.net [05:23] beuno: I'd be interested to know if that would have answered some of your questions. [05:23] jml, I get: Page not found [05:23] Theres no page with this address in Launchpad. [05:24] for: https://code.beta.launchpad.net/+tour [05:24] beuno: yeah, that's not good. [05:24] beuno: but I meant the help bar on the left-hand side. [05:24] aaaah, didn't even click it since it's empty *almost* everywhere else [05:26] jml: that's basically what's in: https://code.launchpad.net/ right? [05:26] because I started there [05:26] so I guess that would be a "no" [05:26] I was thinking of a more specific aproach [05:26] beuno: I don't know, actually. [05:27] (whether it's the same) [05:27] for example, I had to create a project first, which wasn't entirely clear [05:28] and then it doesn't explain *how* each user should get the information to work with, which is what brought on all the "checkout, pull or branch" questions [05:28] when I wanted another user to do changes :D [05:29] theres stuff on help.lp too rught ? [05:30] lifeless: I had a quick look. All I found was this: https://help.launchpad.net/BazaarLinks [05:31] there's also a WIP tutorial. [05:32] I had something in mind that would include how to install bzr and tacle stuff like "install python-paramiko" [05:32] very very very basic [05:33] I'm not pushing more work on to you guys, I'm basically volunteering to try and get such a thing together [05:34] beuno: I reckon that would be helpful. [05:35] beuno: In any case, I've just filed a bug on launchpad so this doesn't get lost. [05:36] even better, bug#? [05:36] beuno: bug 94653 [05:36] Malone bug 94653 in launchpad-bazaar ""Help" could be better oriented to newcomers to Launchpad and Bazaar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94653 [05:36] I can setup a page on the wiki and add a comment on the bug so everyone can pitch in [05:36] beuno: thanks. [05:37] well, you've been holding my hand through the whole process for the last hour, it's the least I can do === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad [05:45] New bug: #94653 in launchpad-bazaar ""Help" could be better oriented to newcomers to Launchpad and Bazaar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94653 [05:57] jml, this is what I had in mind roughly: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Launchpad/BzrHowto [05:58] obviously it need cleaning up and a lot more information, but I wanted to lay the steps I had to go through down while they where still fresh [05:59] *nod* [05:59] beuno: I'm surprised you had to install paramiko [05:59] I didn't, the user I wanted to do work on the branch did [06:01] beuno: ok, I'm surprised that *they* had to install paramiko :) [06:02] really? I've had to install it in every pc I wanted to use bzr with [06:03] The Ubuntu package depends on it, at least. [06:04] for edgy? [06:04] Older bzr packages used to merely suggest it, iirc, so maybe that's why there's some confusion. [06:04] ahh [06:05] there ya go [06:05] beuno: it might be worth noting which version you are using on your wiki page then :) [06:05] I'm on Feisty, but don't forget that it hasn't been released :D [06:06] jml: I'll add it as "if your using edgy or older, you might need this" [06:06] According to Launchpad, the bzr package in edgy also depends on paramiko, not suggests. [06:06] Edgy's version depends on it. [06:06] Both LP and apt-cache on another machine show that. [06:06] :/ I'm not sure then, I'll give it a try at one of the PCs in the office that hasn't had bzr installed yet [06:08] the document is a *very* rough draft, I'll put some more work into it, and then I'm sure bzr and launchpad folks will have lots of things to change around [06:08] but for example, now, I can just send this out when I want someone to create or use a specific branch :D [06:10] beuno: You don't cover adding SSH keys to launchpad. [06:11] I might have been avoiding that [06:11] beuno: I think maybe your howto could be added as "Quick start" to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr? [06:11] There's a fair bit of overlap, your doc has the advantage of being much pithier, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr is a little more comprehensive. [06:12] spiv: absolutely, although I would like there to be a launchpad specific, so users don't have to try and wrap there head around *how* that applies to launchpad [06:12] I like the idea of having doc which starts by demonstrating how to use it, like yours basically does, rather than making you wade through pages and pages exposition before they can get started. [06:13] great, because I would loved having one! [06:13] The https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr page is almost entirely Launchpad specific already. [06:13] should it be? [06:14] spiv: that document has actually very useful bits [06:14] The author of the Bzr page didn't state their exact purpose, so I can't answer "should it be" very easily. [06:16] And the title/url of the page doesn't give much hint either. [06:17] I'd be tempted to combine the two pages, starting with your content as a quick start, and make Bzr redirect to Launchpad/BzrHowto [06:17] I'm not a regular wiki.ubuntu.com contributor, so maybe there are some policies that should be taken into account that I don't know about. [06:18] well, logic would indicate that /Bzr should be bzr specific [06:19] Well, I don't know what a /Bzr page should be other than a brief description and a link to bazaar-vcs.org [06:19] But I tend to have more strict tastes about wiki naming that the average wiki editor, I think :) [06:20] Actually, [06:20] The right place for these sorts of howtos in help.launchpad.net [06:21] yes, that was what I had in mind [06:21] I used the wiki because it's what I had handy and am used to [06:21] And where wiki.ubuntu.com is explain how to use bzr & launchpad to work on ubuntu stuff, it should link to the howtos on help.launchpad.net and maybe give some further examples with ubuntu-specific branches and whatnot. === spiv nods [06:22] beuno: Anyway, thanks for working on those docs. [06:23] np, glad to === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #launchpad [06:23] I think it should also be linked or placed in: https://code.launchpad.net/ [06:23] beuno: If you move them, could you send me an email (andrew at canonical.com) so I know where to find them? I think they'll be handy for helping answer questions that pop up on this channel :) [06:23] or/and the help on beta [06:23] beuno: Agreed. File a bug? [06:24] sure, I'll file it now [06:24] beuno: Thanks! === spiv -> shops [06:24] do you want me to leave it on the wiki or move it to help.ubunto (can I?) [06:25] beuno: You should be able to edit help.launchpad.net, I think. [06:27] spiv: great, I'll try and move it there, if succesful, I'll email you the new addy === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.131.47] has joined #launchpad [06:39] that's it for me for today, night everyone === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-132-150.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [07:01] Gooooooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders! [07:02] hi mpt [08:04] Hm: [08:04] `You have been subscribed to a public bug:' [08:05] Better than `A new bug has been reported' or similar... But I was assigned, not subscribed. I don't get said message on subscription. [08:25] Fujitsu, did you get that notification from production, or beta? [08:26] I was going to say, that sounds like a symptom of bug 3797 [08:26] mpt: An email. [08:26] Malone bug 3797 in malone "Bug mails should explain why the person is getting emailed." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3797 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko) [08:26] Fujitsu, yes, I know it was an e-mail message, that's not what I'm asking :-) [08:26] As in, which was the action performed on? [08:26] ... but then I just saw that 3797 is apparently fixed [08:26] Beta. [08:26] yes [08:26] darn [08:27] I think there's another one about it saying a new bug had been reported. [08:27] So it's probably not 3797. [08:28] well, 3797 isn't fixed is it? [08:28] I didn't think kiko had the changes to Beta yet [08:28] I'm looking at the changelog :-) [08:29] landed about 9.5 hours ago, I don't know whether that means it's on beta yet [08:29] but if that style of notification is one you'd never seen before, probably that means it is [08:35] mpt: the bug mailer would be running from the production/1.80 branch === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad [08:35] mpt: so even if it had been fixed on head, you wouldn't see the difference [08:36] ok, thanks [08:37] so Fujitsu, hopefully kiko has fixed that problem :-) [08:37] OK, thanks. === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [08:42] morning === carlos_ is now known as carlos [08:44] mpt, Fujitsu: kiko's patch also included a fix for bug 54046, which is about the kind of e-mail Fujitsu got. [08:44] Malone bug 54046 in update-manager "View moved when selecting repository" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54046 - Assigned to Michael Vogt (mvo) [08:44] those e-mails are sent from the beta servers, not from the production/1.80 branch. [08:45] oh, not that bug.. [08:45] bug 51046 [08:45] Malone bug 51046 in malone "The newbug-style email a new bug contact receives on product/package reassignment is confusing" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51046 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko) === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-074-019-072.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === WebMaven [n=webmaven@bzq-88-155-7-151.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #launchpad [08:55] jml: https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/productbased-branch-namespace [08:59] BjornT, ah, I thought those notifications always started with "Public/Private bug reported:" [09:00] BjornT, thanks for fixing bug 84847, it looks much better now :-) [09:00] Malone bug 84847 in malone "Application tabs missing on many bug report subsidiary pages" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84847 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt) === glatzor [n=sebi@p54964E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [09:02] mpt: they did, yes, but it's quite confusing to get such an e-mail just because you've become a subscriber of the bug. === thumper [n=tim@125-236-193-95.adsl.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [09:07] BjornT, I know, today I got a message purportedly from Brad Bollenbach, and I thought "whoa" :-) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.22.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [09:09] yeah, i've also experienced that a few times :) using the bug reporter as the From address is probably not a good idea. [09:21] carlos: thanks for everything on the docs stuff [09:21] mdke: you are welcome [09:22] right now all templates and translations should be in place [09:22] mdke: and ubuntu-doc team is the owner of all those templates, so you should be able to upload updates directly using the web forms [09:23] carlos: fantasticf [09:23] -f === glatzor [n=sebi@p54964e14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad === zygis [n=zygis@hst-238-240.splius.lt] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-94.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus__ [n=mholthau@223.174.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === jelmer [n=jelmer@230pc197.sshunet.nl] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@82-133-115-213.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-074-019-072.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #launchpad === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === bigjools [n=bigjools@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #launchpad === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:33] Good morning matsubara [12:33] and salgado [12:33] hey mpt! [12:33] hello mpt, morning! === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #launchpad === tiagoboldt [n=tiagobol@87-196-59-187.net.novis.pt] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad [01:04] 1400 utc.....that's 2 hours away, right? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.22.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [01:05] hi stub [01:05] Hobbsee: yes [01:05] popey: cool [01:06] hrm. *has reason to believe that the @ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org redirects are stuffed again* [01:06] yes [01:07] relaying denied [01:07] dunno about that - but they're certainly not refresing recently, to point to the new primary email in LP [01:07] should they automatically? [01:07] yes [01:07] i never realised there even was @kubuntu.com [01:07] they're supposed to sync across every once in a while [01:07] it's kubuntu.org [01:08] alanpope@kubuntu.com [01:08] SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:: [01:08] host fiordland.ubuntu.com [82.211.81.145] : 554 : [01:08] Relay access denied [01:08] thats what I got [01:08] it's kubuntu.org [01:08] doh [01:08] :) [01:08] ahh, different error :) === vlug [n=btj@127.84-48-229.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee might poke mrevell about it, as he was going through it last time this happened [01:09] and then i'll leave the redirect alone, dammit! [01:09] Hobbsee: hmph? === mrevell reads up === cprov-out is now known as cprov [01:09] SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:: [01:09] host fiordland.ubuntu.com [82.211.81.145] : 550 : [01:09] Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table [01:09] that mrevell [01:10] is what ? [01:10] mrevell: i changed my primary address in LP a couple of weeks ago, and the @ubuntu.com + @kubuntu.org addresses *still* havent redirected [01:10] Hobbsee: Have you raised a support ticket in the Answer Tracker? [01:10] good morning, guys. [01:10] morning cprov [01:10] mrevell: not yet. havent had time. wasnt sure if that was the right way to go [01:11] mrevell: it also appears to be forwarding at least some mail to an old address that was primary on LP... [01:11] Hobbsee: I think that will be the best way to notify the team that you have a problem. [01:11] cool, ok [01:11] Hobbsee: Sorry you're having problems again :( [01:11] yeah, me too :( [01:11] popey: You're having trouble too? [01:11] mrevell: it was a stupid error, really. [01:11] mrevell: yes, but tbh i have never used my @kubuntu.org address, was just testing for Hobbsee [01:11] popey: ah right [01:12] popey: If it's a problem, then I'd suggest a support ticket too. [01:12] well first I should find out if this *should* work? [01:12] do the non-kubuntu members even get a kubuntu email address? === Hobbsee wonders how to actually file a ticket. [01:14] Hobbsee: Tbh I don't know. salgado would possibly know [01:14] how to file a ticket? [01:15] Hobbsee: https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket [01:15] okay, so i found where all the questions are for Launchpad easily enough...but where do i actually file a ticket, instead of answering them???? [01:15] salgado: Sorry, no. Do Ubuntu members automatically get a kubuntu.org email addr? [01:15] oh, ask a question [01:16] how would you know mrevell ? [01:16] missed that when i first looked [01:16] you dont know if i am a kubuntu or ubuntu user do you? [01:16] popey: Eh? [01:16] popey: member, not user [01:16] so how would you know whether to give me an @ubuntu.com or @kubuntu.org [01:16] popey: We know that :) [01:16] yes, I am a member [01:16] popey: yes. you being in kubuntu members or nto. [01:16] ahhh [01:16] gotcha [01:16] :) === popey shuts up now [01:16] and i know, anyawy, as i havent approved you. *g* [01:17] o_O === Hobbsee is one of the kubuntu council, see... === popey bows down before Hobbsee [01:17] heh [01:18] mvwow, so many open tickets... === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [01:18] mrevell: wow, so many open tickets... [01:19] Hobbsee: ahhh, my department :) [01:19] popey: hmm? === popey spends time answering support tickets [01:19] clearly not enough tho :S [01:20] Hobbsee: 15 or so. [01:20] thought there were more than that - unresovled ones, though [01:20] 271 open ones in ubuntu [01:23] filed. === schwuk [n=dave@82-133-115-213.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [01:23] ahh [01:23] popey: You're lucky. We have 24000 bugs, remember. [01:23] heh [01:23] mrevell: can i input early on the "what's the most annoying LP bug this week" if i dont get to stay till the meeting? [01:23] as much as i'd like to... === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host118-134-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad [01:24] Hobbsee: The meeting is next Wednesday at 09:00 UTC. However, I'm always happy to get your feedback, whenever, whether there's a meeting or not :) [01:25] hello all, why gnome-orca translation is at first place? https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+lang/ka [01:25] mrevell: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/89183 [01:25] Malone bug 89183 in launchpad "beta URLs don't redirect to production if person is not in beta team" [High,Confirmed] [01:25] oh bugger. i cant read the difference between developer and user. i suck. [01:25] danilos, hello! [01:25] AlinuxOS: hi [01:25] AlinuxOS: because I did a mistake [01:25] it's fixed now [01:25] ;-) [01:25] mrevell: you know, you could poke someone to fix it in that time, and announce the fix at the user meeting... *g* [01:25] carlos, :D [01:25] Hobbsee: Yeah, the team are aware of that one, and it comes up quite a bit. I'll mention it in today's developer meeting, just to let them know it's a still an issue. [01:26] danilos, got 1 minute ? [01:26] AlinuxOS: sure, go ahead [01:26] mrevell: cool, thanks. it keeps getting worse as more people are using the beta [01:26] obviously [01:27] Hobbsee: Yeah. The quick answer is for those people to sign up to the beta too :) In fact, many people are signing up to the beta because they see the beta links and wonder what it's all about. [01:27] mrevell: true that, but if you're going to do that, may as well get everyone to use the beta [01:27] mrevell: the most common thing getting said about LP at the moment is about that they've got access denied - they think itj's to all of LP [01:27] Hobbsee: Well, there are roughly 280 people using the beta atm and around 90,000 LP users. [01:28] Hobbsee: Now, that's not good. [01:28] 90000 *active* users? [01:28] Hobbsee: We can fix that with a friendlier message . [01:28] popey: Well, erm [01:28] heh [01:28] popey: I'm not sure how active, but last time I check there were 90,000 people registered. Some of whom will be ShipIt only, etc [01:29] mrevell: true, but if you're going to go to that effort, you may as well just fix the problem, no? depending on how hard it is to fix, of course [01:29] i would suspect a lot are shipit only [01:29] Hobbsee: Well, you've got it in one there - depends on how hard it is to fix :) [01:29] given how many people I see with zero karma [01:29] Hobbsee: It's easy, I imagine, to change the text [01:29] mrevell: :) true that. === popey (being a karma whore) looks at these things you see [01:29] Hobbsee: Making beta redirect to production would take a little longer [01:29] popey: yes, but you do support tickets [01:30] mrevell: indeed. [01:30] popey: It would be interesting to have a stat on how many people have a certain level of karma. [01:30] mrevell: but you have to invest that time eventually. so it's evil both ways [01:30] popey: I wonder, though, what level of karma would be good enough to show someone as active. [01:30] mrevell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors <-- get them to expand the stats on that page :) [01:30] Hobbsee: Well, don't forget that 1.0 will be the default interface eventually. [01:31] mrevell: as in, the original, or the beta? [01:31] or 1.0 *is* the beta? [01:31] 1.0 is approximately beta. [01:31] Hobbsee: beta will become the default interface - yeah, the beta is the beta of 1.0 [01:31] beta = 1.0 beta. [01:31] ahhh [01:31] gotcha [01:32] sorry for the confusion :) [01:32] I really don't see why they'd be developing this new interface, only to replace it with the old one. :P [01:32] I've got to get back to some other work in a moment, but how are you two finding th ebeta response times atm? [01:32] Fujitsu: ha :) [01:32] Fujitsu: haha [01:32] Graphs of karma! [01:32] um, bit better. still over 10 seconds most of the time [01:32] but it's not absolutely unusable [01:33] like it was before [01:33] mrevell: They're a little better... But I keep getting random requests returning nothing (not even headers). [01:33] popey: what would you like to see, other than your face surrounded by adoring Ubuntu users? [01:33] The blank responses are a little more frequent tonight. [01:33] lol [01:33] SteveA: was looking at logs about that, but hasnt gotten back to me yet [01:33] Hobbsee: It's an ongoing process. There's a lot of work going on, behind the scenes, to get the response times up. [01:33] Hobbsee: hi. I have some experimental stuff that we can try out on the server, but I'm going to be too busy to spend time on it until Monday. [01:34] mrevell: answers should be a LOT easier to find from the desktop [01:34] SteveA: that's cool. status updates are great, btw. [01:34] mrevell: great :) i'd figured there was, from lurking in here [01:34] which status updates are great? [01:34] Fujitsu: remind me to vote on saturday, will you? [01:34]