[03:21] <zul> hey
[11:32] <heno> bug 84964
[11:32] <stgraber> ubugtu doesn't seem to be here 
[11:32] <heno> seems to be a boot failure on ICH8 chipsets
[11:40] <ivoks> stgraber: bug #84964
[11:40] <ivoks> oh... it doesn't work :)
[11:41] <stgraber> As I said ubugtu isn't here :)
[02:06] <dade`> BenC: I'm sorry, it was not a kernel fault
[02:06] <BenC> dade`: Ah :)
[02:06] <BenC> dade`: What was it?
[02:08] <dade`> are you sure you want to know ?
[02:12] <BenC> yes, I'm eager to know :)
[02:18] <dade`> BenC: this laptop has a fn+f7 key that toggles on and off the touchpad... I'd never seend souch thing before..
[02:18] <dade`> the symbol is a SQUARE, I thought it was something to enable external monitor..
[02:19] <dade`> feel free to laugh
[02:20] <dade`> (at me)
[02:29] <heno> bug 84964 is another possible boot problem with ICH8 and amd64
[02:30] <heno> BenC: should we worry about that? ^
[02:34] <BenC> dade`: I would laugh, but I've made such mistakes before :)
[02:34] <BenC> heno: Checking
[02:41] <BenC> heno: It's probably too late for beta, but I'll make it my priority for a post-beta-release fix
[02:42] <heno> BenC: OK, it seems to affect less people than the previous one
[02:42] <BenC> heno: I think this one has a mix of problems too, they just all have the same symptom
[02:47] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Are you on the machine that is having the problem?
[02:48] <AlinuxOS> BenC, nothing to discuss :) I see that bug exists...how can I help you ?
[02:48] <AlinuxOS> BenC, yes.
[02:48] <BenC> AlinuxOS: the bug doesn't have very useful information at the moment
[02:48] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Can you pastebin the output of "lspci -vv"?
[02:48] <AlinuxOS> BenC, and I'm simple transaltor...if I can contribute something I'm ready.
[02:48] <AlinuxOS> ok
[02:48] <AlinuxOS> BenC, just a moment.
[02:49] <tritium> BenC: I experienced that bug until the fix you made yesterday for #93648.
[02:50] <BenC> tritium: This one is different...the one I fixed yesterday only affects -12, the one I'm working on now has been around since -7
[02:50] <tritium> BenC: okay
[02:50] <BenC> tritium: But thanks for testing that fix
[02:51] <tritium> BenC: thank _you_ for fixing it.
[02:51] <BenC> unfortunately the two bugs appeared the same to most users, so there's some confusion in the bug report and I need more clarification
[02:51] <AlinuxOS> BenC, which syntax do you prefer ?
[02:51] <AlinuxOS> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ ?
[02:52] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Doesn't matter, that one is fine
[02:52] <AlinuxOS> BenC, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11496/ here you are.
[02:54] <BenC> AlinuxOS: How are your disks connected, SATA/IDE?
[02:54] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Any hw raid configurations?
[02:54] <AlinuxOS> no raid, only SATA
[02:55] <Lutin> hi
[02:55] <AlinuxOS> BenC, 1 SATA HD only
[02:56] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Ok, do you have a kernel that boots ok?
[02:56] <AlinuxOS> yes I use in this moment: Linux brugherio 2.6.20-6-generic #2 SMP Wed Jan 31 20:53:39 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:56] <BenC> Lutin: Can you pastebin your "lcpci -vv" output?
[02:56] <Lutin> ok
[02:57] <tritium> BenC: if you need details on my hardware, to isolate the difference in the two bugs, let me know.  I have Thinkpad T43p with ICH6 and an SATA hd.
[02:57] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Can you pastebin your dmesg output then please?
[02:57] <AlinuxOS> BenC, Lutin has the same problem ?
[02:57] <BenC> tritium: Ok, thanks
[02:57] <AlinuxOS> BenC, just a moment.
[02:57] <Lutin> AlinuxOS: yes
[02:57] <BenC> AlinuxOS: yes, so this will help me see if there's some commonality
[02:58] <AlinuxOS> BenC, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11497/ dmesg output.
[02:59] <Lutin> BenC: lspci -vv: http://pastebin.ca/406486
[03:01] <BenC> Lutin: Ok, you're ICH8...what is your HD config, SATA/IDE, any hw raid config?
[03:01] <Simira> Lure: what is your status on the hibernate problem? I believe #75398 is still not solved
[03:01] <Lutin> BenC: 1 HDD sata2, no raid
[03:01] <BenC> Lutin: Also, are you in ahci mode, or piix?
[03:01] <Lutin> ahci
[03:01] <BenC> Lutin: Have you tried changing to piix in bios to see if that helps?
[03:02] <Lutin> yes, but it was hanging up as weel iirc. can't tell you if this was for the same reason though
[03:02] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Is it possible for you to boot into a newer kernel, removing the "quiet splash" options from the kernel command line and get the last disk related output from the kernel?
[03:03] <Simira> BenC: sorry for being extremely late with this, but the fan still doesn't restart with resume from hibernate on hp nw-models
[03:03] <BenC> Simira: Yes, someone is looking into patches for that...waiting on them, since they have the hw and can rebuild kernels
[03:04] <AlinuxOS> BenC, you mean to boot: Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.20-12-generic?
[03:04] <Simira> BenC: ok, great. 
[03:04] <BenC> AlinuxOS: yes
[03:04] <BenC> AlinuxOS: In grub, you can edit the command line to remove those two options
[03:04] <AlinuxOS> How ?: "get the last disk related output from the kernel?"
[03:05] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Should be the last thing on the screen when it stops, but be sure to wait the full three minutes for busybox to show up
[03:05] <AlinuxOS> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.20-12-generic
[03:05] <AlinuxOS> root            (hd0,2)
[03:05] <AlinuxOS> kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.20-12-generic root=UUID=634f3a3a-404c-47cf-aace-c5c8a056f452 ro 
[03:05] <AlinuxOS> initrd          /initrd.img-2.6.20-12-generic
[03:05] <AlinuxOS> quiet
[03:05] <AlinuxOS> savedefault
[03:06] <AlinuxOS> ok in this way ?
[03:06] <BenC> AlinuxOS: A digital photo or hand written copy of the output would be good
[03:06] <BenC> AlinuxOS: yes, that's good
[03:06] <AlinuxOS> ok
[03:06] <BenC> Lutin: Can you do the same, get me dmesg from current good boot, and reboot to the bad kernel to get the output?
[03:06] <AlinuxOS> ups have no digital photo machine :(
[03:07] <AlinuxOS> how many line should I write down ? :)
[03:07] <AlinuxOS> lines
[03:07] <AlinuxOS> BenC, ?
[03:07] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Should be no more than 10, don't worry about the time stamps on the left side in braces (the "[0000003434.900] " stuff)
[03:08] <AlinuxOS> BenC, ok.
[03:08] <BenC> AlinuxOS: If you see an oops/bug, then the main portions are the first line saying why it oopsed/bug'd and the stack trace are important
[03:08] <Lutin> BenC: ok. (note that bad and good and bad kernel are the same one here because it randomly boots, about once/15)
[03:09] <BenC> Lutin: Oooh, you definitely have a different bug then, but one I want to help with, so let's continue
[03:09] <Lutin> ok
[03:10] <BenC> Lutin: Does -12 work for you?
[03:10] <Lutin> randomly
[03:10] <BenC> Ok, please use that one for testing if you can
[03:10] <BenC> the actual code for drivers/ata/ changed a lot after -11, so it will keep the info consistent with current source
[03:11] <Lutin> sometimes it hangs up while accessin gthe disks, sometimes while modprobing cx88* modules
[03:11] <BenC> interesting...probably an oops occurs earlier than is causing the hang later on
[03:12] <Lutin> BenC: do you need the dmesg when the boot is ok ?
[03:13] <BenC> Lutin: yes, please
[03:14] <Lutin> BenC: http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/dmesg
[03:16] <BenC> Lutin: Do you actually have two of the same CD/DVD drives attached?
[03:17] <Lutin> BenC: yes, 2 samsung sata dvd writers
[03:19] <BenC> Lutin: Ok, this all looks good, can you get the info from the failed boot now?
[03:20] <Lutin> BenC: I have some things currently building on that box, I'll reboot asap (~20min)
[03:20] <BenC> Lutin: Ok, thanks
[03:20] <Lutin> np
[03:21] <ivoks> BenC: i've downloaded 20070322.2 and it has some ata_piix issues
[03:21] <BenC> ivoks: is that kernel -12.20, or -12.19?
[03:21] <AlinuxOS> BenC, http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/debug.jpg
[03:21] <BenC> ivoks: cat /proc/version_signature should tell you
[03:21] <ivoks> -12.20
[03:22] <ivoks> i'm testing this in qemu
[03:22] <ivoks> it worked before...
[03:22] <ivoks> now it does not detect cdrom
[03:23] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Great, there's a crash...but I can't see the important parts :)
[03:24] <AlinuxOS> BenC, my termianl letters are so huge
[03:24] <AlinuxOS> BenC, I use 1280x1024 resolution
[03:24] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Can you add vga=771 to the kernel command line and see if that helps things
[03:25] <ivoks> BenC: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/fail.jpg
[03:25] <BenC> ivoks: Ah, I've seen that one in another bug
[03:25] <fabbione> i see those too, but then it works for me
[03:26] <BenC> ivoks: Is there a kernel version that works for you?
[03:26] <BenC> ivoks: Is it just -12 that broke things?
[03:26] <ivoks> BenC: i've tested only with -12
[03:27] <ivoks> but... i've tested daily old couple of days
[03:27] <ivoks> and it worked
[03:27] <mjg59> That's pretty clearly something unrelated to this bug
[03:27] <ivoks> i agree
[03:29] <BenC> right, definitely not this one, just wondering where it regressed
[03:29] <ivoks> i think i have old daily somewhere...
[03:35] <ivoks> 2.6.20-9.16 works
[03:35] <BenC> it's probably a -12 regression
[03:35] <ivoks> i've just installed -12 on my laptop (ICH7), so i'll check it IRL soon :)
[03:36] <ivoks> fwiw -11 works ok
[03:36] <BenC> make sure it's -12.20 and not -12.19
[03:36] <BenC> else you're sure to hit a bug
[03:36] <ivoks> yes, it is
[03:37] <ivoks> ups...
[03:37] <ivoks> i'm using  2.6.20-12.19-generic
[03:37] <ivoks> and it works
[03:40] <ivoks> brb
[03:41] <BenC> didn't have time to tell him that id .19 works, then .20 surely will :)
[03:45] <ivoks> both -12.19 and -12.20 work fine here :/
[03:45] <ivoks> i've seen problems only with -12.20 on qemu
[03:45] <BenC> ivoks: what about -12.19?
[03:45] <AlinuxOS> BenC, refresh my url please.
[03:45] <ivoks> i didn't try it in qemu :(
[03:45] <BenC> should be the same
[03:45] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Ok
[03:45] <BenC> ivoks: What IDE controller does qemu emulate?
[03:45] <BenC> AlinuxOS: oooh, you have a crash in ohci1394, interesting
[03:45] <AlinuxOS> BenC, sorry for using Microsoft Wireless Desktop :)
[03:45] <ivoks> Intel 82371SB PIIX3
[03:45] <BenC> AlinuxOS: hey, we use what we can, no big deal
[03:45] <AlinuxOS> BenC, right
[03:45] <BenC> ivoks: Maybe we should revert that one back to piix instead of ata_piix
[03:45] <ivoks> right... old daily used piix, not ata_piix
[03:46] <ivoks> err... kernel :)
[03:46] <BenC> maybe best to do that for everything < ICH6
[03:47] <BenC> AlinuxOS: : echo "blacklist ohci1394" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/ohci1394-blacklist
[03:47] <BenC> AlinuxOS: sudo update-initramfs -u
[03:47] <BenC> AlinuxOS: And reboot to see if works
[03:47] <BenC> brb in 5, coffee+smoke
[03:48] <AlinuxOS> BenC, don't smoke! :P
[03:48] <ivoks> light one for me :)
[03:48] <AlinuxOS> ok done now rebooting.
[04:01] <AlinuxOS> BenC, http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/debug2.jpg
[04:01] <AlinuxOS> after: echo "blacklist ohci1394" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/ohci1394-blacklist
[04:02] <AlinuxOS> and sudo update-initramfs -u  command.
[04:02] <BenC> Ok, no more ohci1394 crash, but still no disk...hmm
[04:02] <mjg59> So ata still isn't working
[04:02] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, hello ;)
[04:03] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, how are you ?
[04:03] <BenC> AlinuxOS: ok, at this point when you get to busybox shell, can you do "lsmod | grep ata" and see if sata_nv is loaded?
[04:03] <mjg59> Busy :)
[04:03] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, understand you ! ;)
[04:03] <AlinuxOS> BenC, ok.
[04:03] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Also, "cat /proc/kmsg | grep ata" afterwards (this will hang the console, since the cat cannot be ^C'd)
[04:04] <BenC> wish someone would fix busybox to get tty+job-control :/
[04:04] <AlinuxOS> BenC, do you need screenshots ? (it's my mobile phone screens...are they enough?)
[04:05] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Of the last command for kmsg, yes...your screen shots are perfect
[04:06] <AlinuxOS> reboot
[04:11] <BenC> cool, latest ieee1394 has host suspend/resume support
[04:11] <BenC> might help some people
[04:11] <Lutin> BenC: sorry, there's no way I can get a log
[04:11] <Lutin> I can see the errors, but the kernel keep on booting an then freeze at some point, but I can't see the actual error
[04:12] <BenC> Lutin: Do you remember any parts of the error?
[04:12] <BenC> Lutin: or was it too fast?
[04:12] <Lutin> BenC: something like modprobe abnormal termination, and then a stacktrace
[04:12] <Mithrandir> Lutin: do you have a digital camera or a cellphone camera?
[04:12] <Mithrandir> if so, taking a picture of the error would be useful.
[04:12] <Lutin> Mithrandir: unfortunately no 
[04:13] <BenC> Lutin: Most likely when it freezes, it's initramfs waiting for the rootfs. If you give it 3 minutes it will probably drop to a shell
[04:14] <Lutin> BenC: it doesn't seem to freeze at a random point
[04:14] <Lutin> it's whether when it loads the usb driver or when loading cx88-alsa. alaways one of those
[04:14] <Lutin> always*
[04:14] <BenC> Is that where it hangs or where it crashes?
[04:15] <Lutin> where it hangs
[04:15] <Lutin> can't see where it crashes :/
[04:15] <mjg59> Lutin: Where it hangs is irrelevent. We need the stack trace
[04:15] <BenC> Lutin: You can also try adding "break" to the kernel command line to stop in initramfs
[04:15] <mjg59> Lutin: Try booting with break=top
[04:16] <mjg59> Then do modprobe (whatever ata module)
[04:16] <BenC> He's ata_piix
[04:16] <BenC> ich7
[04:16] <Lutin> ich8
[04:16] <BenC> Oh wait, no, it's ahci in his config
[04:16] <BenC> right, too many bug reports flying around my head right now
[04:17] <Lutin> ok, so boot with break=top and modprobe what module ?
[04:17] <mjg59> ahci
[04:17] <mjg59> Or ata_piix, if ahci doens't bind
[04:18] <Lutin> ok
[04:18] <Lutin> brb
[04:29] <AlinuxOS> BenC, lsmod in busybox mode is not available.
[04:31] <AlinuxOS> BenC, http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/debug3.jpg
[04:31] <AlinuxOS> that's my cat /proc/kmsg | grep ata output.
[04:31] <Lutin> Ben, mjg59 : sorry, but my keyboard doesn't work with break=top
[04:31] <Lutin> so, I can't provide any log / results
[04:31] <AlinuxOS> BenC, you can see from screenshot that there is no lsmod.
[04:32] <ivoks> BenC: bad day at work? :)
[04:37] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: cat /proc/modules 
[04:38] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, should I reboot again in busybox and remake a screenshot ?
[04:39] <AlinuxOS> with that command ?
[04:41] <AlinuxOS> BenC, mjg59 ping 
[04:43] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Hold a sec, let me check this dmesg
[04:43] <AlinuxOS> BenC, yes of course...sorry me :)
[04:43] <BenC> AlinuxOS: I don't see any ata messages
[04:43] <BenC> AlinuxOS: I suspect sata_nv isn't even loaded...can you "cat /proc/modules" and then try "modprobe sata_nv" ?
[04:45] <AlinuxOS> BenC, when ? busybox or in current kernel?
[04:45] <BenC> AlinuxOS: busybox
[04:45] <AlinuxOS> BenC, ok :) so see you in some minutes :DDD
[04:46] <AlinuxOS> today I have REBOOT day :)
[05:03] <AlinuxOS> BenC, http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/catprocmodules .
[05:03] <AlinuxOS> after modprobe sata_nv :
[05:03] <AlinuxOS> http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/modprobesata_nv
[05:03] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Second one gave "403 Forbidden"
[05:03] <BenC> got it now
[05:03] <AlinuxOS> http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/modprobesata_nv
[05:03] <BenC> I just noticed something
[05:03] <AlinuxOS> but afterwards there boot process dosn't continue.
[05:03] <BenC> ohci_hcd, ehci_hcd and generic are all in "Loading" state
[05:03] <AlinuxOS> libata version 2.20 loaded.
[05:04] <BenC> I'm pretty sure that means they didn't complete module_init()
[05:09] (AlinuxOS/#ubuntu-kernel) XXX ?
[05:09] <BenC> so do "cat /proc/kmsg | grep ide"
[05:09] <BenC> and again with "cat /proc/kmsg | grep usb"
[05:10] <AlinuxOS> BenC, oops the problem is that I should go in some minutes. It's my last try :) I can continue tomorrow, cause tonight I'm not at home :(
[05:10] <AlinuxOS> BenC, is ti problem for you ?
[05:10] <BenC> AlinuxOS: No, I appreciate whatever time you can devote, sorry if this is taking up some of your day
[05:11] <BenC> AlinuxOS: Feel free to leave whenever you need to
[05:12] <AlinuxOS> BenC, It's not a problem for me to dedicate even some hours for Ubuntu and Community :) I'm Ubuntero man :D
[05:12] <AlinuxOS> BenC, so if I can help, I'm happy with it.
[05:22] <AlinuxOS> BenC, ooops I must leave right now. I'll recontact you with wheese command outputs... 
[05:33] <BenC> Oooh, I bet I know what can fix this
[05:39] <BenC> aww yeah
[05:39] <mjg59> Mm?
[05:41] <BenC> ide/pci/generic.c
[05:42] <mjg59> Oh - is it still binding to jmicron?
[05:42] <BenC> I've ifdef'd out some stuff in generic_pci_tbl[]  without also doing it in the generic_chipsets[]  table
[05:42] <mjg59> Ah...
[05:42] <BenC> yeah, but without a generic_chipsets[]  entry
[05:42] <BenC> I'll remove the jmicron and sync the two tables
[05:42] <BenC> this explains a shit load of bug reports
[05:47] <BenC> Ok, so generic_chipsets table doesn't need to change, but the jmicron entries need to go
[05:51] <BenC> AlinuxOS had sata_nv, but also a jmicron
[05:52] <fabbione> BenC: i won't be able to test root on qlogic controllers.. sorry they have sent PCI-X only when i did ask for PCI/PCI-X compatible controllers
[05:52] <fabbione> and i don't have x86 with pure PCI-X
[05:52] <fabbione> or PCI-E for the matter
[05:52] <BenC> Lutin did too
[05:52] <fabbione> but i can tell you that PCI-E and X works great on sparc :)
[05:52] <BenC> cool :)
[05:52] <fabbione> i could actually force an install with root on sun using them
[05:53] <fabbione> BenC: dm-multipath is the rock
[05:53] <fabbione> i can see the SCSI traffic being multiplexed across 4 controllers to the SAN
[05:53] <fabbione> one controller dies? who cares :)
[05:53] <fabbione> it just gets removed from the balacing
[05:54] <fabbione> balancing even
[05:59] <BenC> fabbione: How much of this clustering hw can you provide for pkl, or will you still be needing it?
[05:59] <fabbione> BenC: none. pkl only needs to do basic packaging and basic testing.
[06:00] <fabbione> i will still do stress testing on it
[06:00] <BenC> Ok
[06:01] <pkl_> if lack of hw on my behalf does cause problems, I'm sure it can be dealt with if/when it happens...
[06:03] <fabbione> pkl_: if it happens that you need hw, i will make sure you can have access to mine as temporary solution
[06:03] <fabbione> it's enough you don't use my bw to download porn or take it from disks :P
[06:03] <fabbione> pkl_: otherwise i am not jalous of the hw itself
[06:03] <fabbione> and the machines are all scratch boxes (module the one you use to jump in the pvt lan)
[07:10] <fabbione> BenC: in what package do we distribute the qlaxxx firmware in dapper?
[07:10] <fabbione> (if we do)
[07:11] <BenC> in the linux-image packages
[07:12] <BenC> initramfs is supposed to include them in the initrd too
[07:18] <fabbione> BenC: i have checked linux-image from -security but it doesn't have the qla*_fw.bin
[07:18] <fabbione> on dapper the lack of fw is fatal to the driver
[07:19] <fabbione> on feisty no.. it attempts to use the one from the controller rom
[07:19] <fabbione> dpkg -c linux-image-2.6.15-28-386_2.6.15-28.51_i386.deb | grep firmware |grep ql | wc -l
[07:19] <fabbione> 0
[07:21] <\sh> wow...the latest feisty kernel is not crashing anymore when you remove an pcmcia card , great work :) thx guys :)
[07:21] <BenC> On dapper we should be using the internal fw
[07:22] <BenC> fabbione: On dapper the firmware is built-in to the driver
[07:22] <BenC> \sh: Cool
[07:22] <fabbione> BenC: it fails to init without the external one...
[07:22] <fabbione> well i will check again once i have some more time
[07:23] <BenC> at least I thought it did, could be wrong
[07:24] <\sh> btw...is anyone working still with a modem connection? (analog)
[07:26] <\sh> with the nozomi driver and this umts card, I have problems to redial..when the connection is not setup properly, another try to dial out (via wvdial) doesn't work..could be also a bug in wvdial
[07:27] <fabbione> BenC: i will double check on sparc as soon as i can but hppa did fail miserably with dapper
[07:27] <fabbione> BenC: well without the fw.. with the fw is good 
[10:52] <roland_d> hi, can anyone help me rebuild a kernel package for feisty?
[10:52] <roland_d> I got the linux-source package, untarred the source, and tried "AUTOBUILD=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs"
[10:52] <roland_d> but that fails with "make: *** No rule to make target `binary-debs'.  Stop."
[10:53] <roland_d> and indeed, "grep -r binary-debs debian/" doesn't find anything in the kernel source
[10:56] <BenC> roland_d: those instructions require the source out of the git tree
[10:56] <BenC> roland_d: or "apt-get source linux-source-2.6.20"
[10:56] <BenC> which is different than the linux-source-2.6.20 package itself
[10:57] <BenC> fabbione: ia64 should build for you now
[10:57] <fabbione> BenC: cool thanks
[10:57] <fabbione> if it works i will push a few patches for GFS2/DLM and we will declare it "enough" for feisty
[10:58] <fabbione> anyway i am heading to bed
[10:58] <roland_d> BenC: OK, thanks.  Should I do the apt-get source, or should I be using the linux-source package?
[10:58] <fabbione> BenC: do you know if .20 can boot on hppa (with dapper build environment)?
[10:58] <roland_d> BenC: I'm just trying to follow KernelCustomBuild from the wiki
[11:16] <BenC> fabbione: doubtful
[11:17] <BenC> roland_d: You need to apt-get source it, or git-clone it
[11:32] <BenC> fabbione: So far ia64 is building for me