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[01:03] <adamant1988> nixternal: ping
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[03:12] <nixternal> adamant1988: pong?
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[06:37] <Burgundavia> meeting is now on the fridge
[06:37] <nixternal> Burgundavia: is that what you were pinging me for?
[06:38] <Burgundavia> ya, the fridge has a nasty habit of logging you out if you do nothing for about 5 minutes
[06:38] <Burgundavia> can we get that fixed?
[06:40] <beuno> Burgundavia: great, scheduled!
[06:40] <beuno> now I'm going to get some of that sleep everyone is talking about...
[06:40] <Burgundavia> I figured with both you and nixternal on board, we were good
[06:40] <nixternal> Burgundavia: we are planning on fixing the entire fridge, at least I hope
[06:41] <Burgundavia> ah, rocking
[06:41] <Burgundavia> should we just merge it into the general ubuntu website?
[06:42] <beuno> Burgundavia: absolutely, we'll have more the enough to talk about
[06:42] <beuno> I'm out, g'night
[06:43] <nixternal> Burgundavia: I believe Matthew has plans for it
[06:43] <nixternal> I don't think they are going to merge, they of course want to keep it seperate
[06:43] <Burgundavia> be nice if he shared some of them
[06:43] <nixternal> we aren't "official" enough I guess
[06:44] <Burgundavia> arghhh
[06:44] <Burgundavia> this is exactly why Red Hat got nailed a few years ago
[06:44] <Burgundavia> they learned their lesson
[06:44] <nixternal> well, it is going to take Ubuntu the same thing
[06:44] <Burgundavia> I hope Canonical doesn't have to learn it the hard way
[06:44] <nixternal> they will
[06:44] <nixternal> they seperate and don't support smaller projects such as Marketing, the Fridge, and so on
[06:45] <Burgundavia> they support Marketing
[06:45] <Burgundavia> that is out fault, as we are not holding regular meetings, etc.
[06:46] <Burgundavia> once we are holding regular meetings and get diy published, we can start working more regularly with them
[06:46] <nixternal> well, Canonical needs to do some marketing themselves
[06:47] <Burgundavia> they do
[06:47] <Burgundavia> they have a fair number of case studies, etcl.;
[06:47] <nixternal> the only support I ever seen from them is someone came to one of our meetings before and said, "oh ya sounds good" to every point brought up
[06:48] <Burgundavia> well, I have seen christina armstrong on lp
[06:48] <Burgundavia> she is doing lots with the new website
[06:48] <Burgundavia> it would be nice if they could hang out on irc a bit more, however
[06:48] <nixternal> well, they don't need to hang out on IRC, we do have a mailing list. They could say "hey, this is what we are thinking about, is it possible to get some help, or what do you think?
[06:49] <nixternal> all of Ubuntu's marketing doesn't come from this team nor Canonical
[06:49] <nixternal> it comes from the users, distro watch, blog posts, and cheesy news sites
[06:49] <Burgundavia> well, to be fair, a lot of the marketing list is useless ideas being thrown around
[06:50] <Burgundavia> aside from the fridge and the uwn, little is currently being done by us
[06:50] <nixternal> tis why I have stayed quiet
[06:50] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:50] <Burgundavia> I would like to see the case study stuff get pushed a little more
[06:50] <nixternal> I just finished working an Executive Marketing contract with the Chicago Cubs, talk about fun
[06:51] <nixternal> jesus, their marketing and management suck just as bad as the team does
[06:51] <Burgundavia> I am coming to washington dc in april
[06:51] <Burgundavia> can you make the drive?
[06:51] <nixternal> I just came back from there last night
[06:51] <Burgundavia> ah
[06:51] <nixternal> I took my daughter back home since I have this week off for spring break
[06:52] <nixternal> brb
[06:56] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, what's in DC in April?
[06:56] <Burgundavia> computers in libraries
[06:57] <Burgundavia> we are going to 9 events in april, hence why I have been pressed into service
[06:58] <Madpilot> that's conference season this year, evidently
[07:01] <nixternal> April is super busy again for me
[07:01] <nixternal> March has been nice and calm except for midterms
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[08:31] <jenda> is ubuntu.com down?
[08:34] <jenda> Burgwork: I'm not very happy about you scheduling the meeting an entire 3 hours after you asked if everyone is OK with the time :(
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[06:00] <Burgwork> jenda: sorry, I had gotten a few acks, so I went ahead and did it
[06:01] <jenda> alright
[06:02] <jenda> no problem really - but obviously I would be much happier if we rescheduled it to a day I could come.
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[06:04] <jenda> beuno: how would a day later be for you?
[06:05] <beuno> as long as it's in the same time frame (or a few hours earlier), it's fine
[06:05] <jenda> Burgwork: you?
[06:05] <Burgwork> jenda: works for me
[06:06] <jenda> nixternal: and you? Sunday, April 1 20:00 UTC meeting?
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[06:06] <juliux> hi jenda 
[06:06] <juliux> jenda, i think we need more stickers from you;)
[06:07] <jenda> O_O !!!!
[06:07] <nixternal> works for me
[06:07] <jenda> You germans are Craaaazzyyy!
[06:07] <jenda> juliux: how many?
[06:07] <jenda> :)
[06:07] <juliux> jenda, i will see it in the next days
[06:08] <jenda> juliux: ok, cool.
[06:08] <juliux> jenda, but i think we have only 300 ubuntu stickers left
[06:08] <jenda> 497	644	438	371
[06:08] <jenda> whooops
[06:09] <jenda> I have 497 U, 644 K, 438 X and 371 Edu
[06:09] <jenda> You can have them all
[06:09] <jenda> And you can also have more, but it'll take longer.
[06:11] <juliux> i will e-mail you in the next weeks
[06:11] <juliux> the next show in german is at the end of may beginig of june
[06:11] <jenda> ok
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[06:12] <juliux> so we have around 2 month
[06:12] <jenda> plenty of time.
[06:12] <jenda> juliux: any feedback on the quality and images?
[06:12] <juliux> not yet
[06:12] <jenda> ie. should the next batch be the same, or does something have to change?
[06:12] <jenda> ok
[06:12] <juliux> but the people love the 3d effect
[06:13] <jenda> ...so it should be on the other types as well, correct? (it's just on Ubuntu now, I think)
[06:13] <MitchM> <3 Jenda
[06:13] <jenda>  :)
[06:13] <MitchM> How is diy comming along ? ;)
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[06:17] <juliux> jenda, it don t have to be but it looks better
[06:17] <jenda> MitchM: not bad, just waiting on some cooode...
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[06:18] <jenda> Ah, heeere you are!
[06:18] <beuno> aaah... yes, hello, I dropped a penny
[06:18] <jenda> :)
[06:18] <beuno> so... meeting is changed to sunday?
[06:19] <jenda> I suppose so - so far there's only one person who has agreed to saturday and hasn't acked to sunday yet - nixternal
[06:19] <nixternal> scroll up, I acked already :)
[06:19] <jenda> ah
[06:19] <jenda> ok, sunday it is, then :)
[06:20] <beuno> isn't there a launchpad feature to handle this?
[06:20] <beuno> Burgwork: will you change it in the fridge?
[06:21] <Burgwork> beuno: have you sent the new time to the mailing list?
[06:22] <jenda> Burgwork: I have
[06:22] <beuno> Burgwork: I have now
[06:22] <jenda> beuno: don't ;)
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[06:22] <beuno> oooh
[06:22] <jenda> argh
[06:22] <jenda> :)
[06:22] <beuno> well
[06:23] <beuno> at least they'll notice  :D
[06:23] <jenda> MitchM: why don't you have an unaffiliated cloak?
[06:23] <jenda> beuno: ;)
[06:23] <jenda> MitchM: ie. would you like one?
[06:30] <beuno> jenda, mitchM__, the DIY website is almost done, I need to dedicate a bit over an hour and then upload
[06:30] <beuno> you should be able to add content to it and see if it needs any final touches
[06:30] <MitchM__> jenda, I would love one jenda :)
[06:31] <MitchM__> beuno, great work on the DIY site (everyone)
[06:31] <MitchM__> I always enjoy going there.
[06:31] <beuno> I just got hung up with launchpad folks last night, which ended up by me doing this:  https://help.launchpad.net/BzrHowto
[06:31] <MitchM__> ouch :0
[06:31] <MitchM__> :) *
[06:32] <jenda> MitchM__: cloaked
[06:32] <beuno> and opening bugs and such
[06:32] <MitchM__> jenda, wonderful :) thanks !
[06:32] <jenda> MitchM__: however, this nick ain't linked.
[06:32] <MitchM__> haha yeah... I just made a couple changes to the Network; killed me pretty good ;)
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[06:33] <MitchM> :)
[06:35] <meatballhat> juliux: got the polo shirt, btw  ;-)   Thanks!
[06:35] <juliux> meatballhat, cool
[06:35] <juliux> meatballhat, is the size ok?
[06:35] <meatballhat> juliux: it's perfect ;-)
[06:35] <juliux> great
[06:36] <meatballhat> juliux: my dogs were *amazed* by the smell of the packaging ... :P
[06:36] <juliux> ???
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[06:36] <meatballhat> ...all the various foreign scents it had picked up  :)
[06:36] <meatballhat> hehe
[06:37] <jenda> ROFLMAO
[06:37] <meatballhat> jenda: I see beuno's pushing up his code soon?
[06:38] <jenda> meatballhat: he better ;)
[06:38] <meatballhat> heehee .... ;-)
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[06:39] <jenda> BTW, UWN people...
[06:39] <jenda> I prodded Matthew Nuzum to add the UWN to the news list at the top of *ubuntu.com
[06:40] <jenda> (which includes ubuntuforums.org)
[06:40] <beuno> jenda:   :D    any news yet?
[06:40] <meatballhat> very cool  B-)
[06:40] <jenda> well, it's on his to do list ;)
[06:41] <jenda> he said he sees the case for the UWN to be up there, just that there are too many things there already.
[06:41] <jenda> also, I made this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2335723
[06:41] <beuno> that's encouraging!
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[07:14] <poningru> juliux, jenda: re: swag should we prod canonical to start making swag instead of marketing people making swag?
[07:14] <poningru> just so that loco teams can get some free swag as well
[07:16] <juliux> poningru, i am not sure if that is a good solution
[07:16] <poningru> juliux: hmm? explain
[07:16] <juliux> poningru, my experiences with canonical and shipping stuff are not the best ones
[07:17] <poningru> heh
[07:17] <juliux> poningru, for the german locoteam it was and is easier to make the stuff self
[07:17] <poningru> oh hmm
[07:18] <juliux> then we know when it is finished and we know that it will be there when we need it
[07:19] <juliux> i requested on time a conferenc pack
[07:19] <juliux> it takes 8 weeks
[07:19] <juliux> and around 10 mails to get it
[07:20] <poningru> hmm maybe we should get jono to come to the meeting
[07:20] <juliux> that is a good point
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[07:47] <jenda> poningru: what exactly are you asking?
[07:47] <jenda> aaah
[07:48] <jenda> No. It's a community effort :)
[07:48] <jenda> We don't make Canonical run forums or stuff like that. We just do it ourselves.
[07:48] <poningru> right
[07:49] <poningru> but then poor loco teams dont get swag
[07:49] <jenda> If they like it, they'll support us.
[07:49] <jenda> Not entirely true.
[07:49] <poningru> how so?
[07:49] <jenda> I'm able to make a profit on the stuff, and I intend to use it for the locoteams most in need.
[07:49] <jenda> The German LoCo makes money too, and it's able to buy stickers from me ;)
[07:50] <poningru> hmm
[07:50] <jenda> I've sent some posters to the French LoCo and the Venezuelan one free of charge - although effie_jayx will probably try to pay for it somehow.
[07:50] <jenda> And obviously the Czech LoCo, too.
[07:51] <jenda> So if enough people buy or donate to the cause, LoCos can get supplied for free. Even as is, they can get very good stuff cheaply.
[07:51] <poningru> hmm
[07:52] <poningru> I guess -fl should start printing materials then
[07:52] <jenda> nothing's stopping you ;)
[07:53] <jenda> Ohio might be doing some stuff too, I hear rumors ;)
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[07:58] <meatballhat> jenda: owwww
[07:58] <meatballhat> whaaa?
[07:58] <jenda> poningru: you know that a good part of DIY is all about convincing people they should make swag, right? :)
[07:59] <poningru> heh did not know that
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[07:59] <poningru> jenda: see my entire thinking was lets have the lmi country loco's do the printing where it would be greatly cheaper
[08:00] <poningru> and then ship to other countries
[08:00] <jenda> lmi?
[08:00] <meatballhat> jenda: the Roughcuts - being 1-color - cost about 1/5 what "Highway" will cost  :P
[08:00] <jenda> Well, that's what I'm thinking ;)
[08:00] <poningru> lower and middle income
[08:00] <jenda> In fact, I think I wrote this down somewhere... /me looks
[08:00] <jenda> it's definitely the way it should be done.
[08:00] <poningru> jenda: so if it costs like 1USD to make a shirt in peru or something
[08:01] <jenda> ...and since I reside in one such country,... ;)
[08:01] <poningru> hehe
[08:01] <poningru> yeah
[08:01] <poningru> well I dont know if I consider eastern europe such a country anymore ;)
[08:02] <poningru> s/country/area
[08:02] <poningru> you know what I meant
[08:03] <poningru> :p
[08:03] <jenda> depends - it's a lot cheaper here than in neigbouring Germany for example.
[08:03] <jenda> Although there obviously are other countries which are even better.
[08:03] <poningru> hmm ic
[08:03] <poningru> how much is it to have a shirt made there?
[08:03] <jenda> about $5
[08:04] <poningru> hmm see thats really cheap compared to here
[08:04] <poningru> 50% cheaper infact
[08:04] <jenda> it would obviously differ a lot depending on type/number/print
[08:04] <poningru> right
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[09:19] <atoponce> great. now i gotta rearrange my irssi windows... :)
[09:20] <jenda> :)
[09:21] <tonyyarusso> atoponce: /window move is nice
[09:21] <atoponce> yeah. it's just organizing it in a fashion that is easy to recall later
[09:22] <atoponce> like, put all the loco channels next, then the utah channels, etc
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[11:53] <Wicks> lo all
[11:53] <beuno> howdy Wicks
[11:56] <jenda> aloha
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[11:58] <Wicks> take 2... lo all!
[12:01] <beuno> take 2, howdy Wicks
[12:03] <Wicks> hey - mac wanted to reboot. as soon as my wifi card is supported im giving mac os the 2 gig partition it deserves
[12:03] <jenda> take 2, aloha? :)
[12:05] <beuno> Wicks: great, I've seen quite a few users with ubuntu on mac
[12:06] <Wicks> it seems to work fantastically on every model of mac... except this one lol
[12:06] <Wicks> hey jenda