[09:54] <nospi> hey
[10:23] <nospi> what's the bext linux smtp server?
[10:25] <\sh> postfix ;)
[10:26] <nospi> thanks
[10:28] <\sh> nospi: but that's only my opinion...some people like sendmail or exim or qmail...depending what experience they have..so you have to decide for yourself :)
[10:29] <nospi> what's easier?
[10:29] <nospi> sendmail?
[10:29] <nospi> im usin php-fusion, just need it for my website
[10:29] <nospi> ahh no actaully i need smtp for me email spoofer
[10:29] <nospi> so i don't have to do it manually
[10:31] <\sh> nospi: as I said, depending on the experience...read the documentation of postfix, and it's easy, learn m4 and sendmail is easy ;)
[10:39] <ajmitch> learning m4 is the hard part
[10:39] <ajmitch> & all the various tweaks for sendmail
[10:45] <\sh> ajmitch: thinking of the past, when sendmail was the leader of the pack,-)
[01:44] <mralphab1t> nospi: postfix or qmail are far easier to pick up then sendmail
[01:44] <nospi> mralphab1t, postfix is confusing
[01:45] <nospi> i think i actually have sendmail working out of the box
[01:45] <nospi> im sending spoof emails to my gmail account with it
[02:23] <shawarma> Maybe we should create a channel where server related support questions are actually ontopic..
[02:24] <shawarma> Well, actually we should probably move development discussion elsewhere. You know: principle of least surprise.
[02:25] <ivoks> well... i would suggest moving development to ubuntu-devel
[02:25] <ivoks> since, there is a low traffic about ubuntu-server development
[02:25] <shawarma> That's also an option. It's not like there's a lot of development discussion going on here anyway.
[02:26] <ivoks> right, and #ubuntu is not good place for support for ubuntu-server
[02:26] <shawarma> Definitely not.
[02:27] <shawarma> I don't blame people for coming here asking support questions. I totally understand it.
[02:27] <shawarma> Is there a u-s mailing list? lists.ubuntu.com says no, but "/msg chanserv info #ubuntu-server" suggests otherwise.
[02:28] <ivoks> even better, support for ubuntu-server should be professional :D
[02:28] <shawarma> We could start charging an entry fee.
[02:28] <shawarma> :-)
[02:28] <mralphabet> !
[02:29] <shawarma> that's odd. http://lists.ubuntu.com/ doesn't list it, but https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server exists
[02:29] <shawarma> fabbione: You're listed as the owner.. Why is it hidden?
[02:30] <ivoks> to avoid support questions? :)
[02:30] <shawarma> Possibly.
[02:31] <shawarma> But how to get the proper people to join, then?
[02:32] <ivoks> ubuntu-server needs marketing :)
[02:33] <shawarma> Sure does.
[02:33] <ivoks> hm... plans for next LTS?
[02:33] <ivoks> LTS should have Roadmap
[02:33] <ivoks> imho
[02:34] <ivoks> i was thinking about disccusing this on mailing list
[02:35] <ivoks> there is a problem with ubunntu-server :/
[02:35] <ivoks> dapper, of course
[02:35] <shawarma> which is?
[02:35] <ivoks> latest dapper kernel supports more hardware than installer kernel
[02:35] <ivoks> and new MBs come with newer Intel gigabit cards
[02:36] <ivoks> we should update couple of drivers in kernel
[02:36] <shawarma> Ah, that's one of the purposes of the point releases, isn't it? To fix this?
[02:36] <ivoks> like e1000, 3w-9xxx, etc...
[02:36] <ivoks> yes, so we should have a roadmap
[02:36] <shawarma> There was a spec about this for Edgy, I think. Don't remember what happened to it.
[02:36] <ivoks> so we could know when is next .2
[02:37] <shawarma> ivoks: Oh, I thought you meant a roadmap for the next LTS as in Feisty+2 or whatever it's going to be.
[02:37] <ivoks> shawarma: next LTS is far away
[02:37] <ivoks> we should act on 6.06
[02:37] <shawarma> Definitely.
[02:37] <shawarma> That makes much more sense.
[02:38] <ivoks> i've sent patch for 3w-9xxx
[02:38] <shawarma> I don't think the next LTS release is *that* far away. It's not going to be 5 years. There's bound to be some overlap.
[02:38] <ivoks> but we should have some way of updating all modules
[02:38] <shawarma> ivoks: Yes. I'll see if I can find that spec.
[02:38] <ivoks> shawarma: imho, it should go out every 2-2,5 years
[02:38] <shawarma> ivoks: Agreed.
[02:39] <shawarma> ivoks: Hence, feisty+2. :-)
[02:39] <ivoks> right
[02:39] <ivoks> but, i'm installing 2-3 ubuntu servers every month
[02:39] <shawarma> ivoks: https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/driver-backports
[02:40] <ivoks> Restricted Launchpad test site
[02:40] <ivoks> huh?
[02:40] <shawarma> Ah, remove the beta part. Sorry.
[02:40] <ivoks> right
[02:40] <shawarma> I thought they fixed that.. Oh, well.
[02:41] <ivoks> that's it... almost :/
[02:41] <ivoks> this is for desktop
[02:41] <ivoks> ups... not :)
[02:42] <shawarma> ..though it does not mention the installer in any way.
[02:42] <ivoks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/DriverBackports
[02:43] <ivoks> yes, but we have a situation where installer kernel doesn't support IDE controler, and latest kernel in release supports it
[02:43] <shawarma> Yes, that's not good enough.
[02:43] <ivoks> of course, there is hardware unsupported both in installer and latest kernel
[02:43] <shawarma> Oh!
[02:44] <shawarma> https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubiquity-driver-updates
[02:45] <ivoks> but that's for ubiquity :)
[02:45] <ivoks> we need this for d-i
[02:45] <shawarma> True. I don't know how they implemented it.
[02:45] <shawarma> Maybe it's easily transferable.
[02:45] <ivoks> it's already possible to include driver in d-i, from floppy
[02:46] <fabbione> shawarma: no idea.. i will look at it after lunch
[02:46] <ivoks> but once you upgrade kernel...
[02:46] <ivoks> :/
[02:46] <shawarma> "Installations using d-i are not handled by this process, so no .udeb packages need to be provided by vendors."
[02:46] <shawarma> Darn.
[02:47] <ivoks> what would be great if we could have someting like /lib/modules/isv
[02:47] <ivoks> and /lib/modules/2.6.15-2x-server/ would somehow include it
[02:48] <ivoks> and, when one installs ubuntu lts to new hardware
[02:48] <ivoks> inserts floppy, which containes modules
[02:48] <ivoks> those modules are saved in /lib/modules/isv
[02:48] <ivoks> and every time you upgrade to new kernel, you have those modules
[02:57] <ivoks> that could be done with ln :)
[02:59] <fabbione> so ok..
[03:00] <fabbione> i am logged in the admin interface
[03:00] <fabbione> does anybody know how to uncloack the list?
[03:00] <shawarma> Yes. 
[03:00] <shawarma> 2 sec.
[03:01] <fabbione> should appear now i think
[03:01] <shawarma> Under "restrictions"
[03:01] <fabbione> it's already there
[03:01] <shawarma> Oh. Yes, it's there now.
[03:01] <fabbione> ok
[03:01] <fabbione> so i need people that can moderate the list
[03:01] <fabbione> any volunteer?
[03:02] <fabbione> there is an endless backlog
[03:02] <shawarma> Oh, it's moderated?
[03:02] <fabbione> yes like any other mailing list
[03:02] <fabbione> or almost
[03:02] <ivoks> just drop anything that doesn't come from non-member :)
[03:02] <shawarma> How many posts a day? Roughly.
[03:02] <ivoks> shawarma: 0 :)
[03:02] <fabbione> dunno..
[03:02] <shawarma> How many in the backlog right now?
[03:02] <fabbione> ivoks: who is a member can just post freely
[03:03] <fabbione> no idea?
[03:03] <ivoks> fabbione: right, i know
[03:04] <shawarma> if it's no more than 10-15 posts a day, I can do it.
[03:04] <fabbione> shawarma: i don't even think there are that many
[03:05] <shawarma> fabbione: Cool. Sign me up.
[03:05] <fabbione> shawarma: ok.. i need to know with what email are you signed there
[03:05] <shawarma> sh@linux2go.dk
[03:05] <fabbione> ok....
[03:06] <fabbione> i guess it's enough i tick the mod check box to make you a moderator, right?
[03:06] <fabbione> hmm no
[03:06] <shawarma> no?
[03:06] <fabbione> ah here it is
[03:19] <shawarma> Heh... I think I've gone through the first 100 messages or so and if I had a nickle for each legitimate mail in that backlog so far... I'd have a nickle. :-)
[03:20] <ivoks> :)
[03:45] <shawarma> 693 e-mails in the backlog. 3 were non-spam, one of those was wildly off-topic.
[03:45] <shawarma> phew.
[03:45] <ivoks> :)