[12:26] <aidanr> hello?
[12:27] <aidanr> sorry ignore that
[12:27] <Mordicus> another problem :s : when pressing ctrl+alt+backspace, my graphic interface is not rebooting. It stops just after the "running local boot scripts" line... any idea ?
[12:33] <Mordicus> another noob question >_<  : how can add a VLC icon on my xubuntu desktop ?
[12:34] <BFTD> ln -s /usr/bin/vlc ~/Desktop/vlc
[12:35] <BFTD> Mordicus that should work
[12:36] <Mordicus> BFTD: yes : thank you ! :) But, I do not have VLC icon, but a generic icon... any way to change it ?
[12:36] <BFTD> Mordicus not sure
[12:37] <BFTD> it used the VLC icon for me
[12:38] <Mordicus> BFTD: yes ok ! need to type "vlc" and not "VLC"
[12:38] <Mordicus> :)
[12:38] <BFTD> yeah
[12:40] <Mordicus> but now I have a strange problem... I cannot see properly the bar in VLC with the volume setting -_-
[12:42] <Mordicus> I've tried to change the skin and it crashed :/
[12:42] <BFTD> not sure
[12:43] <BFTD> don't know much about vlc
[12:43] <crimsun> Mordicus: feisty?
[12:43] <crimsun> Mordicus: which package revision?
[12:44] <nraic> Has the Azureus package been fixed yet?
[12:46] <Mordicus> crimsun: yes, Feisty !
[12:46] <crimsun> Mordicus: see the second question.
[12:47] <Mordicus> crimsun: you mean VLC or Xfce ?
[12:47] <Mordicus> crimsun: how can I check it?
[12:47] <crimsun> dpkg -l vlc |grep ^ii
[12:47] <crimsun> likely your vlc packages are outdated
[12:48] <Mordicus> crimsun: it's a new install ! (few days ago)
[12:48] <crimsun> we fixed the "missing volume control with wxwidgets2.8" issue by reverting to wxwidgets2.6
[12:48] <crimsun> if you installed a few days ago and haven't updated since, that's the precise symptom
[12:48] <crimsun> the issue was fixed yesterday
[12:48] <crimsun>        vlc | 0.8.6.release-0ubuntu4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[12:48] <Mordicus> arg ! ok
[12:49] <Mordicus> I typed the command line : dpkg -l vlc..... it doesn't work :s
[12:50] <nraic> Cant find utorrent in the package manager?
[12:50] <crimsun> Mordicus: then you made a typo
[12:53] <Mordicus> I'm checking...
[12:55] <Mordicus> my update manager did not find any update for VLC, so I am trying to use the package manager...
[12:56] <j1mc> is anyone in here doing any xubuntu iso testing for feisty?
[12:57] <Mordicus> crimsun: if I roll back the video driver from VESA to Trident (my video card), may it improve the video rendering with VLC ? (it is a little bit "laggy")
[12:57] <Mordicus> I am using feisty but I am a noob... not sure what is "iso testing" :s
[12:58] <j1mc> Mordicus, here's some info on it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ReportingResults
[12:58] <j1mc> the community is doing more of the ISO testing (and reporting our results) to free up the devs to do their development work.
[12:59] <Mordicus> j1mc: ok ! (I've used the Minimal Install CD for Feisty)
[01:00] <j1mc> Mordicus, cool.  :)  if you'd like to help out, you can read up on it.  :)
[01:00] <j1mc> the one thing is that you always need to test the most recent image.
[01:00] <j1mc> so it involves burning cd's.  sometimes lots of them.  :)  (a least a couple a week)
[01:01] <j1mc> i have to go for now, but check out the testing part of the forums if you're interested.  here's the link:
[01:01] <B|nTaRa> !info .bin
[01:01] <ubotu> Package .bin does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[01:01] <j1mc> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201
[01:01] <B|nTaRa> how to install .bin ?
[01:01] <Mordicus> j1mc: I may reinstall my system since there are weird behaviours with mine, so I'll try to rest and report ! I had trouble with my CD-rom, so I've already tried many different ISO... but it was 1 or 2 weeks ago.
[01:02] <j1mc> Mordicus, there have been a number of fixes since a few weeks ago, so you will likely have better luck now.
[01:02] <j1mc> there are new fixes every day.
[01:03] <j1mc> :)
[01:04] <B|nTaRa> how i wanna install .bin files ?
[01:04] <B|nTaRa> RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[01:04] <cellofellow> sudo ./thefile.bin
[01:05] <cellofellow> they suck though, usually putting stuff in /opt
[01:05] <B|nTaRa>  sudo ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[01:05] <B|nTaRa> sudo: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: command not found
[01:05] <cellofellow> are you in the folder that the file is in?
[01:06] <B|nTaRa> cellofellow, yes
[01:06] <Mordicus> j1mc: good to hear ! :D
[01:06] <cellofellow> sudo +x thefile.bin
[01:06] <cellofellow> I mean sudo chmod +x thefile.bin
[01:06] <Mordicus> j1mc: but the update manager cannot retrieve some packages for now :s
[01:06] <B|nTaRa> cellofellow, thank you
[01:08] <j1mc> Mordicus, you would just need to download the latest ISO
[01:08] <Mordicus> crimsun: I have the 0.8.6 release Oubur !
[01:08] <Mordicus> j1mc: ok !
[01:08] <j1mc> Mordicus, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:08] <Mordicus> crimsun: do I need to reinstall vlc then ?
[01:09] <j1mc> Mordicus, also see the links I've provided above.  They give good instructions
[01:09] <Mordicus> j1mc: ok bookmared. where do I need to report if the iso is ok or not ?
[01:09] <Mordicus> j1mc: *bookmarked
[01:09] <crimsun> Mordicus: what version is that?
[01:10] <crimsun> you pasted an incomplete string
[01:10] <j1mc> Mordicus, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests  look for the ones for xubuntu
[01:10] <Mordicus> crimsun: the version installed on my Xubuntu.. incomplete ? :s well, 2 seconds....
[01:11] <Mordicus> crimsun: 0.8.6.release-0ubuntu3
[01:11] <Mordicus> j1mc: is this correct?
[01:12] <crimsun> Mordicus: see? outdated.
[01:12] <Mordicus> crimsun: :s
[01:12] <Mordicus> crimsun: where can I find the latest?
[01:12] <crimsun> Mordicus: just update && upgrade
[01:12] <crimsun> aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
[01:12] <Mordicus> I can't see it in the synaptic list
[01:13] <Mordicus> crimsun: I have to type this in the terminal?
[01:13] <crimsun> yes.
[01:14] <Mordicus> crimsun: ok, thank you
[01:15] <Mordicus> I added "sudo" and it works ! :D
[01:16] <Mordicus> but i get an error at the end : "unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[01:18] <cellofello1> I hate my router. It won't let me forward a port. I type in the data and it returns ERROR: Error found on page.
[01:18] <crimsun> you need sudo for both
[01:19] <Mordicus> hhmmm... I typed : "sudo aptitude update && aptitude upgrade"
[01:19] <cellofello1> now just run sudo aptitude upgrade
[01:19] <Mordicus> ok
[01:19] <Mordicus> (but I launched the update manager... nothing bad?)
[01:19] <crimsun> don't run them simultaneously.
[01:20] <crimsun> pick one or the other, not both.
[01:20] <Mordicus> crimsun: ok
[01:20] <cellofello1> brb, rebooting router again
[01:20] <Mordicus> crimsun: do you know Mplayer very well too?
[01:21] <crimsun> no. It has been nearly three years since I last used it.
[01:21] <B|nTaRa> !openoffice
[01:21] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[01:21] <Mordicus> crimsun: :-O
[01:22] <Mordicus> crimsun: is VLC stronger than Mplayer?
[01:22] <Mordicus> crimsun: I have a lot of troubles ready AVI files with Mplayer, but a lot of linux users say Mplayer can read almost everything... :s
[01:23] <TheSheep> Mordicus: you need the win32codecs installed
[01:23] <B|nTaRa> Mordicus, i use VLC
[01:23] <Mordicus> TheSheep: I installed them... I followed the tutorial on the Ubuntu website...
[01:23] <cellofellow> there we go
[01:24] <j1mc> hey cellofello1 ... i found out about this by chance the other day, so i thought i'd pass it along: http://apt-mirror.sourceforge.net/
[01:24] <cellofellow> VLC I like for AVI and DVD, MPlayer for everything else.
[01:24] <Mordicus> B|nTaRa: VLC can read my video but the volume is a little bit weak...
[01:24] <j1mc> err... that was supposed to go to cellofellow :)
[01:24] <cellofellow> gotcha
[01:24] <Mordicus> cellofello: ok, thanks ! :)
[01:25] <B|nTaRa> Mordicus, VLC works fine with
[01:25] <cellofellow> I can't get VLC to do QuickTime.
[01:25] <B|nTaRa> i think its related with ur sound driver
[01:25] <cellofellow> j1mc: interesting
[01:25] <Mordicus> B|nTaRa: I am running Xubuntu on an old laptop :(
[01:26] <cellofellow> ok, I got to go now. I'll be popping in now and again but I'll be on vacation.
[01:26] <j1mc> cellofellow: it says you can do a partial mirror, but i guess you'd have to look into it
[01:26] <B|nTaRa> cellofello1, thats weird , .mov runs very well with VLC
[01:27] <Mordicus> BTW, I have a trident video card (8mo), but Xubuntu uses Vesa drivers... shall I force it to use Trident video driver or not?
[01:31] <nraic> Im downloading torrents, using azurues and other clietns and somthing is very wrong with the speed
[01:31] <nraic> client says firewall is ok
[01:31] <nraic> works fine under windows
[01:31] <nraic> just a very slow speed in xubuntu
[01:32] <nraic> Any possible reason for this?
[01:35] <B|nTaRa> nraic, same here
[01:35] <B|nTaRa> im still figuring whats the problem
[01:36] <Mordicus> crimsun: ok! vlc interface is fine now ! :)
[01:36] <nraic> funny that, happens on all clients for me, have you tried different client?
[01:36] <nraic> whats the flash package called for view flash videos in firefox
[01:39] <Mordicus> ... still 2 annoying things : when I launch vlc, the volume is always on "mute", I have to set the volume back each time... 2/ The volume of my video is weak, even when I changed the settings to max volumes... :'(
[01:41] <nraic> what are 64 bit users ment to do about flash?
[01:41] <Mordicus> mplayer crashes.... and Gxine cannot read any of my video file :'(
[01:59] <cheeseboy> wtf..
[01:59] <cheeseboy> how do i get to home dir in xfce?
[02:00] <cheeseboy> help
[02:00] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: alt+f2 and type 'Thunar'
[02:01] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: you can make yourself a launcher or a desktop icon for that
[02:01] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: it also should be in the menu somewhere
[02:06] <vrkhans> hey a problem, when my screen saver turn on, after that every thing just freeze or lock, even i can not shutdown the computer and I have the push the restart button . any suggestion.
[02:46] <rici> does anyone have any idea why xmodmap will let me reassign altgr-k but not altgr-j ?
[03:31] <_BS_> Have ibm laptop with dead screen, so using external monitor. Tried to get 1024x768 but not working. How do I go back to square 1 - currently stuck in 640x480 and can't even see the OK buttons in display settings. Help please!
[03:37] <Sigmamu188> how can i set xubuntu so that at boot up the numlock is on
[03:37] <Sigmamu188> before login
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> !numlock
[03:39] <ubotu> To enable Number Lock by default, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[03:39] <Sigmamu188> thanks
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> np :)
[04:13] <steve___> i have two computer running xubuntu and both are connecting to an AP wirelessly.   I am using WPA2 encryption.  One card is using the madwifi drivers and the other the bcmxx drivers.  When I boot these machines, I have no connectivity.  I do a /etc/init.d/networking restart and i'm good to go.  When i come home from work neither box is associated to the AP until I /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:13] <steve___> i did not have this issue when running kubuntu on both machines.  Any ideas?
[05:07] <_BS_> Have ibm laptop with dead screen, so using external monitor. Tried to get 1024x768 but not working. How do I go back to square 1, with X - currently stuck in 640x480 and can't even see the OK buttons in display settings. Help please!
[05:47] <joshafina> Can you change the splash screen in Xubuntu?
[05:54] <saviles> does anyone know where i can get the "mipsel-linux-gcc" package?
[07:14] <tanlaan> what is a good xubuntu alternative to Rythmbox?
[07:15] <tanlaan> *albeit i dont exclusively need an alternative because xubuntu can run Rythmbox, I would just like to know of one so i can keep my usage down. I am thinking about running a server.*
[07:16] <crimsun> mpd and any of its frontends
[07:16] <crimsun> e.g., pygmy
[07:16] <crimsun> (or) quod libet, exaile, bmpx, etc.
[07:17] <tanlaan> i was just about to ask about Exaile
[07:17] <tanlaan> apparently it is supposed to be like Amarok?
[07:17] <crimsun> I used it once and walked away unimpressed.
[07:18] <crimsun> yes, in ways.
[07:18] <crimsun> obviously what I think is not necessarily going to jive with what you experience.
[07:18] <tanlaan> true
[07:18] <tanlaan> but hey, can it play music off of an ipod?
[07:19] <tanlaan> or is that knowledge i will have to gain myself
[07:19] <crimsun> I never tried. I've only experience with that using Rhythmbox, and it played music fine. Granted I use QTFairuse6 2.6 to strip the DRM from songs that I purchase from iTMS.
[07:20] <crimsun> 2.6 -> 2.5, sorry
[07:21] <crimsun> my iPod is largely useless. Right now it's functioning as a doorstop.
[07:21] <yknott> yeah but certainly you needed something to stop that door
[07:21] <yknott> and tada, enter the ipod
[07:24] <tanlaan> yea ive used Rythmbox to play music off of an ipod, but i will have to find out :D
[07:24] <tanlaan> ouch
[07:24] <tanlaan> what kind is it?
[07:24] <crimsun> mine's a 30 GB Video
[07:24] <crimsun> works fine, I just don't need it for common tasks
[07:24] <cellofellow> exaile is cool.
[07:25] <arrow> I can't change my resolution to anything other than 400x600 can anyone help me with that?
[07:26] <cellofellow> video card?
[07:26] <arrow> how do I find out?
[07:26] <arrow> I'm new to this stuff
[07:26] <cellofellow> lspci and look for Video or something like that
[07:27] <cellofellow> in a terminal
[07:28] <tanlaan> crap i cant find out where to get exaile >.<
[07:28] <arrow> 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2)
[07:28] <arrow> is that it?
[07:29] <arrow> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[07:29] <cellofellow> tanlaan: exaile.org
[07:30] <cellofellow> arrow: yes
[07:30] <cellofellow> sorry, I only know nvidia, but we know what it is now, and someone should be able to help.
[07:30] <tanlaan> i couldnt find it on that site, but i did finally find the right section. BAH >.< it is made for the i386 architecture
[07:30] <tanlaan> oo wait
[07:30] <tanlaan> that etch ppc one might work
[07:31] <cellofellow> it's python, so it cares not what chip you use.
[07:31] <tanlaan> the .deb does
[07:32] <tanlaan> but i guess i can compile from source
[07:32] <arrow> cellofellow, Its for my friends computer, he doesn't have internet connection so I'll have to go to his house and get his computer or something
[07:32] <arrow> cellofellow, thankyou
[07:33] <hyper_ch> morning
[07:33] <tanlaan> I just hate how messy everything gets when I compile from source
[07:33] <tanlaan> oops
[07:33] <cellofellow> use checkinstall
[07:33] <cellofellow> make a nice tidy deb to take with you
[07:34] <tanlaan> ?
[07:34] <cellofellow> when you got to run `make install`, run `checkinstall` instead.
[07:34] <cellofellow> registers with apt and makes a deb file to boot.
[07:35] <tanlaan> ahh
[07:35] <cellofellow> easy to uninstall with synaptic, etc.
[07:35] <tanlaan> i see
[07:39] <tanlaan> hmm well forget exaile
[07:39] <tanlaan> i think ill stick with rythmbox for now
[07:39] <tanlaan> im gonna go screw around a bit with Xubuntu
[07:39] <tanlaan> and then im off to bed >.<
[07:55] <cookie> hi everyone. Where can I increase the sound volume on xubuntu?
[07:56] <cookie> I have been looking for it but found no place
[07:57] <cookie> hi
[07:57] <cookie> nobody here?
[07:57] <crimsun> xfce4-mixer.
[07:57] <crimsun> or, x-terminal-emulator -e alsamixer
[07:57] <cookie> where it is?
[08:15] <cellofellow> will someone go to cellofellow.homelinux.net to test it for me?
[08:16] <hyper_ch> hi Josh
[08:16] <cellofellow> hello
[08:16] <cellofellow> I had trouble with my DynDNS updater.
[08:16] <cellofellow> does that address work?
[08:16] <hyper_ch> seems like it
[08:16] <hyper_ch> but why using the full name?
[08:16] <cellofellow> huh?
[08:17] <hyper_ch> This is the Linux website of Joshua Gardner.
[08:17] <cellofellow> oh, um, that site is so very low traffic. It aint even indexed on Google.
[08:18] <hyper_ch> launchpad homepage? What's that?
[08:18] <cellofellow> !launchpad
[08:18] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[08:18] <cellofellow> let me see what you see.
[08:18] <hyper_ch> ???
[08:19] <cellofellow> I'd forgotten about that. :)
[08:19] <cellofellow> I haven't upgraded those webpages in forever.
[08:19] <hyper_ch> ^^
[08:21] <nraic> Is the parted app able to resize current ntfs drives with windows on them?
[08:21] <cellofellow> got me, never tried.
[08:21] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: why not mediawiki?
[08:21] <hyper_ch> nraic: should be... but I'd rather use a windows tool for that... like Partition Magic
[08:21] <cellofellow> hyper_ch: lack of database setup skills.
[08:21] <nraic> grub loader is great btw super good
[08:21] <cellofellow> hyper_ch: I'm still working on drupal
[08:21] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql.....
[08:21] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: and that's it :)
[08:22] <cellofellow> I need a bigger hard drive. That server has 1.5GB
[08:22] <nraic> partion magic cost money, and im at workso i dont want to be download torrents
[08:22] <cellofellow> hyper_ch: is kwiki slow or something?
[08:22] <nraic> hyper_ch, can you send me part magic?
[08:23] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: no, I just wondered why you didn't sue media :)
[08:23] <hyper_ch> nraic: PM is no free software and I have no need anymore for such software
[08:23] <cellofellow> I like Python, and I tried to install MoinMoin, but I still suck at this server stuff.
[08:24] <hyper_ch> what you mean by "this server stuff"?
[08:24] <cellofellow> just working with apache and databases.
[08:24] <cellofellow> I need to dedicate some time to it.
[08:25] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: have a small read here for (l)amp -->   http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.10
[08:25] <hyper_ch> it's just copy and paste of the php/apache/mysql stuff :)
[08:26] <cellofellow> dunno exactly why but I lean toward Python and PostreSQL.
[08:26] <hyper_ch> :)
[08:27] <hyper_ch> I gotta go to university
[08:27] <cellofellow> server OS is Debian Sarge
[08:29] <cellofellow> well, bedtime
[08:49] <haze76> Are there more packages available in Synaptic for old Ubuntu releases than the latest beta?
[08:50] <haze76> Or any other very compelling reasons  not to run Feisty Fawn herd 5
[08:50] <haze76> (if it works fine)
[11:41] <B|nTaRa-> !gdm
[11:41] <ubotu> gdm: GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.1-0ubuntu4.1 (edgy), package size 1687 kB, installed size 12300 kB
[11:44] <moforila> Trying to get my wireless card to work, its seen by xubuntu but it cant seem to use it to connec to my lan
[11:45] <blizz> hm, should /dev/kqemu by kqemu-source stay where it is or create some udev rule so it gets created at module-load time?
[11:51] <grazie> blizz: don't really know kqemu but it does have kernel module that needs to be loaded (install should have handled this)
[11:55] <blizz> yep, kqemu
[11:55] <blizz> build it with module-assistant
[11:56] <blizz> install does in fact handle the creation of the kqemu devices, but udev clears it out after rebooting
[12:01] <grazie> udev does seem to be having problems of late :(
[12:30] <cellofellow> can somone go to cellofellow.homelinux.net and see if it's up?
[12:31] <cellofellow> tell me what IP it resolves to
[01:13] <hyper> hiho
[01:13] <hyper> anyone here?
[01:15] <grazie> howdy
[01:15] <hyper> ah :)
[01:15] <hyper> <-- hyper_ch
[01:16] <grazie> I think I guessed that :)
[01:16] <hyper> grazie: you know how to start a programm that needs X from a remote ssh access?
[01:16] <hyper> I'm at university and want to start ktorrent... :)
[01:18] <grazie> well I usually use vnc but that needs the vnc server (can't remerber the name righ now) running
[01:18] <hyper> grazie: well, I haven't got my vnc running right now
[01:18] <hyper> krfb also wants x to start it
[01:18] <TheSheep> if yuo do ssh -X -Y, the X session will be forwarded
[01:19] <hyper> TheSheep: how to do that in putty?
[01:21] <grazie> hyper: can you start putty from cli?
[01:21] <hyper> grazie: I guess so :)
[01:21] <grazie> putty -X
[01:21] <TheSheep> hyper: it won't work on windows
[01:22] <hyper> oh :(
[01:22] <hyper> stupid windows :)
[01:23] <grazie> do you have any X client on windows?
[01:23] <hyper> grazie: is there any?
[01:23] <TheSheep> there are, but I don't knwo of any free one
[01:24] <grazie> well I assumed as you wanted to run ktorrent you must have one
[01:24] <hyper> hmmm, I found XLive CD...
[01:24] <hyper> a cygwin based ssh x-forwarding
[01:24] <grazie> doesn't the No Machines one have a demo option
[01:27] <grazie> hyper: you'd need to set the No Machine server (which I think you told me was free now) for that as well though, but you've got ssh access havent you?
[01:27] <hyper> grazie: using my home computer with irssi as IRC is closed at university
[01:28] <hyper> I'll have a look at no machine :)
[01:31] <Nabiki> I have a menu question.  When I installed Dapper, there was an option in the menu to run a command.  When I installed edgy, that menu option was not there (under xubuntu).  What command is used to bring up the prompt to run a program?
[01:31] <grazie> hyper: There must be some *nix boxes that'll you got access to at the university?
[01:32] <grazie> Nabiki: alt+f2
[01:32] <Nabiki> I see.  Is there a command that does that also, or just the hotkey>
[01:32] <Nabiki> ?
[01:33] <Nabiki> Never mind, I looked up the hotkey in the settings, and it shows the command.
[01:33] <Nabiki> grazie: Thanks!
[01:34] <grazie> Do you mean how to bring up a terminal?
[01:34] <hyper> TheSheep: btw, my xfce4-menu-plugin didn't crash during the whole night... and I have also installed a new kernel... may this be related?
[01:34] <grazie> Nabiki: Applications > System > Terminal
[01:35] <Nabiki> grazie: That is not what I was looking for.  You DID give me the info I needed though.  :-)  Under Xubuntu edgy, the command is xfrun4 .
[01:36] <Nabiki> That is what alt+f2 is mapped too. :)
[01:37] <Nabiki> I am going to go idle now, so I am going to go ahead and disconnect.  :)  I will log in later though, and help where I can. ^^;;
[01:39] <grazie> j1mc: hi jim...did you get my message?
[01:39] <j1mc> grazie, no . . .
[01:39] <j1mc> what was it?
[01:40] <j1mc> btw, good morning.  :)
[01:40] <grazie> I was just responding to your query on the channel yesterday. Yeah afternoon
[01:41] <j1mc> hmmm...
[01:42] <j1mc> oh, about testing?  if anyone was testing isos?
[01:42] <grazie> and my answer was yes and no
[01:45] <j1mc> :)  if you have any time to test today, it would be great.  we need more people to post their results about xubuntu testing.
[01:45] <j1mc> the beta is released tomorrow.
[01:45] <hyper> j1mc: what testing?
[01:46] <j1mc> hyper, here's some info about it: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201
[01:46] <j1mc> hyper, and then we post the results here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests
[01:47] <j1mc> we need to test the "current" nightly images.
[01:47] <j1mc> which are found here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:47] <hyper> j1mc: all I can say is that the partitioner on the alternate install herd5 doesn't work
[01:48] <j1mc> hyper, they did have issues with that, but it was fixed since then.
[01:48] <hyper> j1mc: the same problem was also in herd3 and 4 I think
[01:52] <j1mc> hyper, did you install herd3 and herd 4?
[01:53] <hyper> j1mc: herd4 I did for sure... not sure about herd3 anymore... could have been herd2
[01:53] <hyper> but I know the problem still persists in herd5
[01:53] <hyper> although I think Kubuntu Herd4 worked
[01:53] <hyper> or was it Kubuntu herd2
[01:54] <hyper> doesn't matter
[01:54] <hyper> herd5 is what counts :)
[01:54] <j1mc> see, we just need you to report your tests.  :)
[01:55] <hyper> I did add it in the forum somewhere :)
[01:55] <hyper> in thread about herd5 I think... it's been a long time ago :)
[01:58] <j1mc> ttyl, all.
[03:01] <ruspu> What is the best webpage editor? I've used long a go only a normal notepad/word.
[03:04] <TheSheep> ruspu: vim is much better :)
[03:06] <grazie> !nvu | ruspu
[03:06] <ubotu> ruspu: nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[03:07] <ruspu> Yeah. i saw a nvu in the net, but had to check wich would you people say. :D
[03:08] <TheSheep> especially on a remote host
[03:09] <grazie> nvu is featured and friendly, but it is a bit heavy
[03:11] <ruspu> Yeah, I'll think I try the vim, because dont like heavy programs.
[04:52] <martin___> nick _sebastian
[04:52] <martin___> Hi
[04:56] <_sebastian> ich veruche xubuntu zu installieren und bei 47% von "kopiere daten auf festplatte" bleibt er hngen
[04:56] <_sebastian> kann das mit meiner tv karte technisat skystar2 zusammenhngen?
[05:03] <albert__> versuchs auf englisch ;)
[05:03] <albert__> sebastian: hast du die cd berprft? kratzer?
[05:03] <_sebastian> ja, die hab ich erst davor gebrannt, die ist ok
[05:03] <_sebastian> Hi, im tring to instal xubunte 6.10. After i made the settings to hard disk and partition the system will copy the files to hd
[05:03] <_sebastian> at 47% the system stops coping the files an idels
[05:03] <_sebastian> the system is still available for me, but it doesnt copy
[05:03] <_sebastian> the cd is ok
[05:03] <_sebastian> sorry for my english, i hope you understand what i mean ;)
[05:03] <j1mc> sebastian, did you check the CD when it first booted?  there is a CD check option.
[05:03] <j1mc> by the way, your english is good!  :)
[05:04] <_sebastian> no, i havnt checked the cd
[05:04] <_sebastian> i will do it now
[05:04] <j1mc> ok!  :)
[05:08] (j1mc/#xubuntu) _sebastian: yes.  you are right.
[05:08] (j1mc/#xubuntu) !botsnack
[05:08] (ubotu/#xubuntu) Yum!
[05:08] (j1mc/#xubuntu) good ubotu
[05:08] <_sebastian> hmm, 1 checksum failed
[05:08] <_sebastian> so, i muste check my iso
[05:09] <j1mc> _sebastian: yes.
[05:10] <j1mc> go to the folder where you downloaded your iso, and type "md5sum" and then the name of your iso file.
[05:10] <j1mc> . . . do you know how to check md5sums?
[05:11] <_sebastian> i never did it bevor, i will try
[05:13] <j1mc> _sebastian: it will give you a code, which you can compare to the md5sum file where you downloaded the ISO.  if the codes match, then your ISO is good.  if the codes don't match, then your ISO file didn't download correctly.
[05:15] <_sebastian> ok, i have this code: 22dbcd0958d5f19be4ae4f91410a1170
[05:18] <_sebastian> here http://ftp.cw.net/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/MD5SUMS is the same code
[05:19] <_sebastian> could it be, that xubuntu have problems with my tv card? im using skystar 2 from technisat
[05:19] <_sebastian> so, im going to eat something, i will come back
[05:36] <_sebastian> so, im going to swin some meter, i will try it tomorrow
[05:36] <_sebastian> i come back ;)
[05:36] <_sebastian> bye
[06:18] <eric> hi
[06:18] <BadKitty> hi
[06:19] <BadKitty> uh bogus
[06:19] <BadKitty> ahem
[06:19] <Bogus8> haha
[06:19] <eric> is this the support channel for xubuntu?
[06:20] <Bogus8> eric: I guess you could call it that
[06:20] <eric> cool
[06:20] <Bogus8> since it's is in the topic ;)
[06:20] <eric> heh
[06:20] <Bogus8> the joys of reading *sigh*
[06:21] <Bogus8> BadKitty: you there?  You got my PM?
[06:21] <BadKitty> i'm here
[06:21] <BadKitty> yep did you get mine?
[06:21] <Bogus8> nope :/
[06:21] <BadKitty> hm
[06:21] <BadKitty> i figured it out
[06:22] <eric> Im having a wee problem with autostarting applications on Xubuntu
[06:22] <eric> i.e. programs are starting for no reason, and they aren't added in my autostart app list
[06:22] <Bogus8> eric: btw, I never said *I* could help you :D
[06:22] <eric> heh i know
[06:22] <eric> just putting it out there
[06:22] <Bogus8> but yeah, ask and idle
[06:22] <BadKitty> give me a minute...i am not registered for freenode
[06:22] <Bogus8> it can take a while
[06:22] <Bogus8> BadKitty: what networks are you on?
[06:23] <BadKitty> i live in accessirc
[06:23] <Bogus8> irc.accessirc.com?
[06:24] <BadKitty> one sec
[06:24] <Bogus8> eric: when you say programs do you mean services (daemons) or do you mean apps?
[06:24] <eric> apps
[06:24] <eric> like the terminal and gaim
[06:24] <ormiret> eric: did you have them open when you logged out and have save session checked?
[06:25] <eric> no i unchecked that
[06:25] <BadKitty> irc.accessirc.net
[06:25] <eric> it started happening after I installed Xubuntu last night and updated it using apt-get
[06:26] <Bogus8> BadKitty: on now... nick is Bogus
[06:56] <massctrl> hellows anyone used the feisty beta for xubuntu?
[06:59] <j1mc> massctrl: me!
[07:00] <j1mc> i'm actually coordinating testing of xubuntu feisty.
[07:00] <j1mc> :)
[07:00] <massctrl> ah that's nice,...
[07:01] <j1mc> massctrl: are you using xubuntu now?  if so, what version of xubuntu (or ubuntu) are you using?
[07:01] <massctrl> so i'm going to switch from ubuntu to xubuntu again, and was thinking using the feisty for that
[07:01] <j1mc> massctrl: i would recommend it.  :)  it is quite stable already.
[07:02] <j1mc> if you do install feisty, make sure you get the most recent image.  what kind of computer do you have?
[07:02] <massctrl> jlmc: nice, I will do so, .... I must say i was very pleased with it, but got tempted trying out gnome and ubuntu, but I don't need the most that is offered,...
[07:03] <massctrl> laptop, hp nc8000 pentium M 1,6 Mhz and 1,5 Gb ram
[07:04] <j1mc> massctrl: do get the most recent image for that computer, go here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[07:04] <ephemeros> hey \m/
[07:04] <j1mc> ephemeros: \m/  :-)
[07:04] <ephemeros> ;)
[07:04] <ephemeros> wassup?
[07:05] <j1mc> massctrl: if you do install that, be sure to report your test results.  you can do that here:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/  these aren't "bugs", but just a way to report test results.
[07:05] <massctrl> cool thnks j1mc, I will sure do so
[07:05] <j1mc> "test results"=="how the install went for you"
[07:06] <j1mc> massctrl: feel free to check in at the irc channel #ubuntu-iso if you have any questions.  :-)
[07:06] <j1mc> we can really use the testing help, esp on xubuntu.
[07:06] <ormiret> j1mc: That's not the URL for test reports is it?
[07:07] <j1mc> ormiret: no, sorry.
[07:08] <j1mc> here's the link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/+bugs
[07:08] <j1mc> massctrl: in case you missed it, i gvae you the wrong link to report your tests: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/+bugs
[07:08] <j1mc> use that one.
[07:08] <j1mc> thanks, ormiret  :-)
[07:08] <massctrl> Nice, you can count me in, ... I'm very pleased with the whole xubuntu distro, i regretted I switched to ubuntu/gnome, while without a doubt very nice too, I just need speedy sober environment, ... and honestly, thunar is the most excellent filemanagers i've encountered, very fast, and basic yet powerfull enough, ...
[07:08] <ormiret> :)
[07:08] <massctrl> ok correct link is in favorites now
[07:10] <j1mc> massctrl: not to overwhelm you, but there's active discussion about iso testing in the forums ( http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201 )
[07:11] <j1mc> grazie: xfce has been a bit on the buggy side.
[07:11] <j1mc> the panel crashed out on a live install last night.  still, we need more ppl to test.  the actual install was fine, though.
[07:13] <j1mc> grazie: i think so . . . only since about a little after herd 5 have i seen probs.
[07:13] <j1mc> grazie: it's too bad that cody somerville isn't available.  i hope we have enough devs and such.
[07:13] <j1mc> cody is cool, man . . . :-)
[07:16] <j1mc> i haven't had any really *bad* experiences with feisty, though.  just one or two little applet crashes here and there.
[07:16] <j1mc> nothing like "omg, my data" or anything.
[07:23] <j1mc> and with the shifting from developer-focused testing to community-based testing . . .   we just need to make sure that any bugs are reported correctly, especially with xubuntu.
[07:23] <j1mc> xubuntu doesn't have the totally official canonical backing like ubuntu, kubuntu, and edubuntu.
[07:24] <vidd_laptop> jlmc is there anything we can do to get that viewpoint changed?
[07:24] <j1mc> devs can't know about xubuntu bugs if we don't report them.
[07:24] <j1mc> we get put up on ubuntu.com (unlike, say fluxbuntu).
[07:25] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: i'm not sure what we can do to change it.
[07:25] <j1mc> not saying it can't be done, but i'm not sure at this time.
[07:25] <j1mc> not sure who to talk to.
[07:25] <j1mc> what requirements would need to be there, etc.
[07:26] <vidd_laptop> gee...i bet the support would have jumped if i could have gotten that contract with the local school district to install xubuntu on all the computers in thier 3 new buildings =] 
[07:26] <j1mc> i think that if we work to make xubuntu as good as we can, it will help.  unfortunately, xubuntu doesn't have the manpower of some of it's siblings.
[07:27] <vidd_laptop> and elementary, a middle, and a high school
[07:27] <j1mc> wow . . . yeah.  you almost got that?
[07:27] <vidd_laptop> the head tech is a linux-phobe i think
[07:28] <j1mc> grazie: yeah.  i'm dissappointed in that, too.
[07:28] <vidd_laptop> is ppc support staopping for ALL distro's?
[07:29] <grazie> the last officially ppc supported distro was edgy
[07:30] <vidd_laptop> j1mc, my bid was fine...but i met resistance on the support side....
[07:30] <j1mc> ppc support is going to community support . . . currently i have one person who asks about it for xubuntu, but i am having a hard enough time getting testers for i386 and AMD64
[07:30] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: that's too bad.  they thought it would be hard to support and maintain?
[07:31] <vidd_laptop> they were worried about compatability with thier other schools
[07:31] <j1mc> ah.
[07:32] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: where was this?  mind if i ask what town?
[07:32] <vidd_laptop> since they already have 2 middle and a high school (and i dont KNOW how many elementary) they were worried the kids would get an "unbalanced experience"
[07:32] <vidd_laptop> emmaus pa
[07:33] <j1mc> unbalanced experience, meaning the xubuntu kids would have a more awesome experience than the windows kids?  ;-)
[07:33] <rici> !xxkb
[07:33] <ubotu> xxkb: Keyboard state indicator and switcher for xkb. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.10-2.1 (edgy), package size 33 kB, installed size 184 kB
[07:33] <rici> sigh
[07:33] <rici> anyone know of a workaround for this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/76260
[07:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76260 in xorg "x11-common conflicts with xxkb, but xxkb depends on x11-common inderectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:33] <vidd_laptop> j1mc, most like
[07:34] <vidd_laptop> the proposal was for terminal servers.....
[07:34] <j1mc> ltsp ftw!  :)
[07:35] <vidd_laptop> so they only had to worry about like (max) 16 servers, compared to 50 or more acual M$ machines
[07:35] <j1mc> problem is, MS discounts stuff heavily for schools.  gets the kids hooked for cheap, then makes them pay $$ cash money for the stuff when they're out of school.
[07:36] <vidd_laptop> show some figures for earning potential for linux engineers compared to M$ engineers....
[07:36] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[07:36] <j1mc> =)
[07:37] <vidd_laptop> show the substancial finacial savings on hardware....
[07:37] <j1mc> is that what you do for a living, vidd?  linux engineering?
[07:37] <vidd_laptop> ha! i wish
[07:37] <vidd_laptop> im a tech support rep for an ISP
[07:37] <vidd_laptop> dial-up at that
[07:38] <j1mc> hey, one of my ubuntu-chicago loco buddies called up an Ameritech phone tech support agent, and it turned out that the guy ran Edgy.  :-)
[07:39] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: i've thought about something like that, too.
[07:39] <j1mc> trouble is, i'd have to use RH.  :)
[07:39] <vidd_laptop> only because RH is king, and SUSE sold out
[07:40] <vidd_laptop> grazie, they do...but there are no JOBS for it in my area
[07:40] <j1mc> grazie: you might be right.  . . .  just no jobs for it now, as vidd_laptop said.
[07:40] <vidd_laptop> i get the RH cert, and i can 10x my salery
[07:41] <vidd_laptop> at worse
[07:41] <vidd_laptop> *at worse x4
[07:41] <grazie> money isn't everything...but yeah
[07:42] <vidd_laptop> yes...money cant buy happiness....but it never hurts!
[07:42] <j1mc> it isn't even so much just the money, but i def coultn'd find an ubuntu job right now.  unless i moved to montreal and worked for canonical.  :)
[07:42] <j1mc> mebbe in a few years.  :)  we can hope!!
[07:43] <vidd_laptop> entirely too much SNOW
[07:44] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: yoou can work indoors
[07:45] <vidd_laptop> still have to GET there
[07:45] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: go at night, you won't see the snow
[07:45] <vidd_laptop> and if telecommuting was an option....why move?
[07:46] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, i have issues driving @ night.....
[07:46] <grazie> Something hyper_ch mentioned earlier....irc was disabled on the university networks...is that common does anyone know?
[07:49] <TheSheep> grazie: yes
[07:49] <TheSheep> grazie: at least on wifi
[07:49] <TheSheep> grazie: you usually just open ssh and www
[07:49] <TheSheep> and mail
[07:50] <j1mc> grazie: i've heard of it.
[07:50] <j1mc> i know that IIT admins disable IRC, but they let the linux users through (they use a different port) bc they figure the linux users know what they're doing.  :-)
[07:50] <j1mc> the windows users don't get through.  :)
[07:50] <vidd_laptop> sometimes they lock down port 25 as well
[07:51] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: that's because using unencrypted mail on wifi is a suicide :)
[07:51] <vidd_laptop> im talking on LAN as well as wifi
[07:51] <grazie> TheSheep: thanks...I can see why, but I am surprised students accross the planet are putting up with it
[07:52] <ron_o> I'm using Feisty Fawn because I need the latest kernel. How can I access other repositories..
[07:52] <vidd_laptop> grazie, there ARE ways around it
[07:52] <grazie> ok if it's just wifi though
[07:52] <vidd_laptop> ron_o, what repo's you want?
[07:52] <TheSheep> grazie: why? youo just ssh on you shell account and use irssi...
[07:52] <ron_o> I'd like to get firestarter and use an older kernel to see if it might fix my problem.
[07:52] <ron_o> vidd_laptop: all the ones for feisty fawn.
[07:53] <ron_o> are there any?
[07:53] <grazie> TheSheep: I'm thinking 'average guy in the street' here
[07:53] <vidd_laptop> did you install fiesty or just add the repo for the kernel?
[07:53] <ron_o> I installed feisty.
[07:54] <ron_o> I needed the 2.6.20 kernel to recognize my optical.
[07:54] <TheSheep> grazie: these are UNIVERSITIES, you know
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> then just edit your sources.list and uncomment the repo's you want
[07:54] <ron_o> but now I have it installed I'd like to see if the old kernel might recognize my usb drive(s) correctly.
[07:54] <ron_o> I did, vidd_laptop, and all I get are the installed apps.
[07:55] <vidd_laptop> sudo [favorite text editor]  /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:55] <vidd_laptop> ron_o, did you run "sudo aptitude update"?
[07:56] <ron_o> I ran update in synaptic and it hangs. I figure it's because Feisty is still in the development.
[07:56] <vidd_laptop> ron_o, use the command line.....see if it helps
[07:57] <ron_o> will do
[07:57] <vidd_laptop> i only use it to completely remove old kernel versions after they get updated
[07:58] <vidd_laptop> it is a fantactic tool....
[07:58] <vidd_laptop> but i want to stop being scared of the CLI
[08:00] <ron_o> it worked today for some reason. I should have checked before I asked. Maybe is was just timing. I updated both synaptic and aptitude with no problems. :) thanks.
[08:01] <ron_o> I get nervous w/o a firewall.
[08:02] <grazie> !firewall
[08:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[08:04] <grazie> I was kinda hoping that would say most users don't need a firewall on linux
[08:04] <ron_o> they don't because of their firewall on their modem?
[08:05] <grazie> all linux ports are closed by default
[08:09] <ron_o> I still feel more comfortable with a firewall running.
[08:16] <grazie> Are there a good reasons why cannonical don't provide any servers for netbooting? Too much resource required maybe?
[08:17] <vidd_laptop> ....
[08:17] <vidd_laptop> net boot or net install grazie ?
[08:18] <grazie> netboot with the aim of installing
[08:20] <grazie> no that wouldn't be a good idea at all
[08:28] <vidd_laptop> i did it on this laptop
[08:29] <vidd_laptop> want me to look up the link for ya?
[08:31] <grazie> yeah net install and netboot followed by install...both useful alternative install methods...done both...got the t-shirt
[08:32] <vidd_laptop> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso is the net installer for feisty grazie
[08:33] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: nice.  :-)
[08:33] <j1mc> and with that . . .
[08:33] <grazie> vidd_laptop: thanks but like I said ^^
[08:34] <vidd_laptop> sorry grazie the lag monster got me!
[08:34] <grazie> :)
[09:00] <_sebastian> Hi
[09:01] <rmd>  hey
[09:01] <maddog39> im having issues compiling the latest version of GTK/Glib/Pango
[09:02] <maddog39> would any1 be able to help
[09:03] <rmd> you can't just download them via apt-get or synaptic?
[10:05] <maxamillion> j1mc: ping
[10:07] <Howdy125> Any significant difference between 6.06 and 6.10 ?
[10:07] <j1mc> maxamillion: pong
[10:09] <j1mc> maxamillion: what's up?  :)
[10:09] <maxamillion> j1mc: i just wanted to thank you for everything you have done, I haven't been able to be as active in this devel/testing cycle as i had hoped because of school and my 2 jobs (i get to irc at this one, which is nice) and i'm glad to see people are still very active in everything (especially in cody's absence)
[10:09] <maxamillion> Howdy125: newer packages
[10:09] <Howdy125> ty maxamillion
[10:10] <j1mc> maxamillion: thanks so much.  i feel sometimes like i'm fighting an uphill battle here, trying to get testers.  we had a lot of testers for herd 5, but not so many this time.  hopefully we'll get some tonight.
[10:11] <maxamillion> j1mc: oh its a complete uphill battle that cody has been leading for a while now and its just really nice to see someone step up and take charge now that he isn't around
[10:12] <maxamillion> j1mc: i wish i had more time but i TA for one of my profs and i am a sys admin on campus and it is getting late in the semester so i am getting more and more projects assigned ... just can't find the time like i wish i could
[10:12] <maxamillion> j1mc: you are doing an incredible job and if there was something i could do more than just say "thank you", i would
[10:12] <maxamillion> j1mc: but i'm broke .... so :(
[10:12] <crimsun> just be glad you're not one of my students. You definitely wouldn't have time to IRC.
[10:12] <maxamillion> crimsun: lol
[10:12] <maxamillion> crimsun: well i only have time to irc while i'm at my sys admin job
[10:13] <j1mc> heh, yeah.  :-)  i guess i'm glad to be a part of it.  i just felt like cody did such a good job, at least i can make the effort.  we all contribute what we can, so . . . no problem.  :-)  i'm sure you're very busy.  :)
[10:13] <maxamillion> crimsun: i also code here for class while i irc
[10:14] <maxamillion> j1mc: i am working on building an old machine out of spare parts that i can just simply run tests on all the time so i don't have to sacrifice downtime of my desktop also ... that way i can do school work while testing (but as of right now i only own one desktop)
[10:15] <j1mc> :-)  maxamillion: yeah, i got an old desktop from my mom.  :)
[10:15] <j1mc> that, and i installed a spare drive on my AMD64 box.
[10:16] <maxamillion> j1mc: oooo, spare drive might be a good option for my desktop (which is an amd64)
[10:17] <j1mc> maxamillion: that would be awesome.  :)
[10:17] <j1mc> i can even send you something like a 5gb drive or something, if you don't want to spend the money.  i volunteer at a place that recycles old comps.
[10:17] <maxamillion> j1mc: i will have lots of time over the summer to help on things ... i will be working and teaching summer school, but i won't have a full course load
[10:18] <maxamillion> j1mc: i pick up spare parts around the office here at my sys admin job, but thank you for the offer
[10:18] <j1mc> :-)  ok
[10:19] <j1mc> or something . . .
[10:19] <maxamillion> oh yeah
[10:19] <maxamillion> definitely do that
[10:20] <j1mc> actually, for herd 6, i have this set up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community/Xubuntu  we'll assign people specific test cases, so they only have to do one or two things.
[10:20] <maxamillion> i also watch the Thunar bug tracker every so often because i volunteered to do so a while back when jani posted on the -devel mailing lists about it
[10:20] <maxamillion> j1mc: ooo, i like it
[10:21] <maxamillion> j1mc: oh, i dunno if you got the email in -devel but i posted about how the alternate install was over 700mb and jani said he fixed it and the current one on the page is now 700mb and will fit on a cd-r
[10:22] <j1mc> cool . . .   hopefully that will help people.  it's one thing to say, "i'll test!" (which is appreciated), but i think people will like it if they know exactly what they need to test.  should make it easier, and get more commitment.
[10:22] <j1mc> maxamillion: yes, i saw that.  :)  good news.
[10:35] <maxamillion> j1mc: ok, awesome ... just wanted to make sure
[10:38] <crimsun> err, what's not clear about it?
[10:38] <crimsun> it's not supported by Canonical; it's supported by community best-effort
[10:39] <j1mc> grazie: :-(  i even thought of keeping a PPC box at our "Free Geek Chicago" location and using it just for PPC tests.
[10:39] <maxamillion> grazie: when roughly translated, find another distro for PPC
[10:39] <grazie> crimsun: It not at all clear to me what "community best-effort" actually means
[10:39] <j1mc> but i just don't have the time . . .
[10:39] <j1mc> yeah . . . maxamillion, that's kind of how i took it, too.
[10:39] <maxamillion> j1mc: we all have our limits :(
[10:39] <crimsun> grazie: it means we core-dev make no active effort to maintain it.
[10:40] <maxamillion> j1mc: or debian :)
[10:40] <crimsun> grazie: i.e., we maintain it when something needs maintaining.
[10:40] <crimsun> find a bug? Fix it yourself, push us the fix, we'll apply it.
[10:40] <grazie> maxamillion: yes, I wish they would actually say that though
[10:40] <crimsun> ^ community support
[10:41] <crimsun> Dapper ppc remains supported
[10:41] <crimsun> supported by Canonical, core-dev, etc.
[10:42] <maxamillion> grazie: well, they kinda did .... just not in so many words
[10:42] <hyper_ch> hiho
[10:42] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: hiya
[10:42] <hyper_ch> what's up?
[10:43] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: Something I'm working on packaging has had issues building on PPC (specifically PPC64 it seems).  Presumably we still make all efforts to make things work on PPC even though it's not "official", ya?
[10:43] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: nodda
[10:43] <grazie> crimsun: most of the packages are common and controlled by Canonnical. I vry much doubt Cannonical will allow "community best-effort" to fix PPC problem on shared packages.
[10:43] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: of course
[10:44] <crimsun> grazie: huh?
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> righto.  /me continues trying suggestions
[10:44] <crimsun> grazie: what is "controlled by Canonical"?
[10:44] <crimsun> grazie: I'm core-dev; Canonical certainly does _not_ employ me; I can touch all those packages.
[10:45] <grazie> crimsun: there's dozens of ppc bugs in launchpad that haven't even got a response
[10:45] <crimsun> grazie: that's due to resource starvation
[10:45] <crimsun> grazie: there's a relatively simple workaround: find someone willing to fix the bugs; get that someone the affected hardware; pay that someone to fix the bugs.
[10:46] <grazie> crimsun: you will not maintain ppc bugs, because you have no interest in doing so..that's fine.
[10:47] <crimsun> grazie: does "you" refer to me, to core-dev, or to Canonical staff?
[10:47] <grazie> crimsun: there is no need to pay anyone....the community can fix there own problem is they have the opportunity to do so
[10:48] <crimsun> grazie: certainly, and there's a conduit
[10:48] <crimsun> grazie: I'm perfectly willing to review patches and apply them _if_ someone can get them to me
[10:48] <grazie> crimsun: I'm mean you as you crimsun ...I'm trying to be offensive
[10:49] <crimsun> grazie: ok, point taken. Then get me the affected hardware.
[10:49] <grazie> crimsun: that's great news...so far I've not been aware that was possible
[10:50] <grazie> crimsun: getting you hardware is going to be difficult
[10:50] <crimsun> In fact, since I'm alsa maintainer, I went and bought hardware that doesn't current work. I fix this stuff. That's how much I care. (So please, don't assume that people don't fix this stuff due to lack of motivation.)
[10:50] <crimsun> currently ^
[10:51] <j1mc> crimsun: that's cool that you buy/test non-working hardware.  :)
[10:52] <j1mc> ttyl, all.  gtg.
[11:18] <vidd_laptop> *wave* maxamillion MattJ
[11:31] <maxamillion> hiya vidd_laptop
[11:31] <vidd_laptop> how goes it?
[11:32] <BFTD> argh
[11:32] <vidd_laptop> that good huh?
[11:32] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[11:32] <BFTD> no
[11:32] <vidd_laptop> sounds like someone is having a day like mine
[11:33] <vidd_laptop> whats up BFTD ?
[11:33] <BFTD> My GPU is too old for the BSD drivers
[11:34] <BFTD> at least it told me nicely unlike windows
[11:34] <vidd_laptop> what about for the linux drivers?
[11:34] <BFTD> na
[11:35] <BFTD> if its too old to be supported its not gonna be worth it
[11:35] <vidd_laptop> is that na...as in no-it-dont-work or no-i-wont-try-it
[11:35] <vidd_laptop> ?
[11:36] <vidd_laptop> what are you trying to do?
[11:38] <BFTD> both
[11:51] <vidd_laptop> is there a command line tool for ripping dvd's?
[11:52] <vidd_laptop> wb ron_o
[11:58] <BFTD> vidd yeah
[11:58] <BFTD> sudo apt-get install cdw
[11:59] <vidd_laptop> is that for dvd iso's?
[11:59] <BFTD> yes
[12:00] <vidd_laptop> so how do i run it?
[12:01] <BFTD> I don't know
[12:01] <BFTD> cdw -h
[12:01] <BFTD> oopd
[12:01] <BFTD> oops
[12:01] <BFTD> its cd-r/rw's only
[12:01] <vidd_laptop> cdw -h gave no info
[12:02] <vidd_laptop> =[
[12:19] <alvaro> hi
[12:20] <vidd_laptop> *wave* alvaro =] 
[12:20] <alvaro> i have some questions about xubuntu.. i'm using suse linux with KDE in old PC and its too low.. I read xubuntu its better for old pcs
[12:21] <vidd_laptop> yes it is
[12:21] <vidd_laptop> what questions would you like answered?
[12:21] <alvaro> could I install in xubuntu a web server (xampp), ftp server, samba server...
[12:21] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[12:21] <alvaro> I use he old pc as a server
[12:22] <vidd_laptop> you would most likely want the alt-cd....and do the server install
[12:22] <tonyyarusso> alvaro: easy to do
[12:22] <alvaro> its a AMD K6 500Mhz and 128 RAM
[12:22] <alvaro> and its too slow with suse