[12:19] Burgwork: have you seen this "get LTSP into Fedora" project? [12:20] url? [12:20] LaserJock: nope, linky? [12:20] I know RH engineers were interested in LTSP, although Novell rebuffed them [12:20] I actually only have a mailing list [12:20] I was trolling through gmane and found it [12:20] the email says they hope to replace K12LTSP [12:21] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education [12:21] id guess they'd want Eric Harrison on their side.. [12:22] "Eric Harrison has already did lots of the hacking to get 5.0 working on [12:22] Fedora, but does not seem to have time to attempt integration of that in [12:22] Fedora or ask for help from other Fedora contributors. That would be a [12:22] good place to start if someone wants to help." [12:22] cool [12:22] bah, sorry for the flood [12:22] I saw that mailing list a few days ago, but it was dead [12:22] jim kronebusch is an old ltsp guy.. [12:23] i workeds with him showing him how to do ppc.. [12:23] warren needs no introduction [12:24] I think RH is minorly concerned about being beaten to the punch in education by Edubuntu [12:24] eric had an imple,entaion in san francisco in Nov but his lappoie crappolad [12:25] :( [12:26] aat the ltsp meet ogra attended [12:26] yeah, I was at Mt. View and meet Eric [12:26] *met [12:26] Novell have released a thin client SUSE recently as well [12:27] good...great people..helped me a lot with ldap [12:27] http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=novell+%22thin+client%22&btnG=Search [12:28] Interesting quote from one article: "Dedicated thin-client hardware is growing at 20 percent year on year compared with commercial desktop growth of two percent." [12:29] and my ltsp implementation is losing out with the ibooks in Maine schools.. [12:29] thin client usage is a cycle, atm its getting trendy again [12:31] so instead of tending one server..im ripping apart individual machines again.. === MrWizard14 [n=homework@ip68-7-49-209.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === jgedeon_ [n=joe@oh-67-77-123-4.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:33] if i never see another ibook.... [12:34] what's wrong with it? [12:34] did anyone look at that ltsp setup that was emailed to the list by that spanish(?) bloke? i'm wondering if it was interesting [12:34] mine just almost died === dtrask [n=dtrask@ScoobyDoo.vcsvikings.org] has joined #edubuntu [12:36] ibook?? [12:37] hey DAvid [12:38] hey chuck! [12:38] I have too many windows open....which room is this? Edubuntu? [12:38] LOL [12:40] yuou got it\! what's neew? [12:40] Chuck...I had a great moment today...Firefox has been giving me fits lately...slow to load...etc.....so I updated to firefox 2.03 from source today....AND got Flash 9 with sound working [12:40] took several symlinks, but it works beautifully now ;-) [12:40] cool! ive seen some crashes..but not on my server machine [12:41] you usung ubuntu for server?? [12:41] for some reason I did a repository update to 1.5.10 and it was taking over a minute to load...of course the kids would click repeatedly trying to get it going [12:41] sure [12:41] not this one....this one was FC 5 [12:42] K12LTSP [12:42] right.. [12:42] i have two schools in ubnut..no three [12:42] heh [12:42] I have an Edubuntu server up and running....I'm thinking about migrating totally during April vacation [12:42] but only one in ltsp [12:43] Are you running Edubuntu LTSP or simply LTSP the standard way on top of it? [12:43] i havnt proven the localdev side iin ubuntu yet..i did build a ppc chroot for feisty yesterday [12:43] i have only 4.2 in ubuntu in prodication [12:43] produc tion [12:44] so my lappie will boot either pc or ppc clients === ToFeRRaDo [i=vitorbcm@189.12.81.35] has joined #edubuntu === ToFeRRaDo [i=vitorbcm@189.12.81.35] has left #edubuntu ["[CyberScript] "] [12:44] havnt yety got it to differentiate between ppc clients and i386 as far as root-path though [12:45] filename is pretty easy.. [12:45] load times are still relatively sdlow..but yesterdays update should make sound work out of the box [12:47] hang on [12:52] I actually got Feisty running on an iBook (one of the MLTI ones....don't tell on me)....finally after much head banging I got the wireless working [12:53] i find wireless fluky on ibooks...seems totake a reboot to recognize new parameters [12:53] amen....sucks [12:54] we had one g4 wouldnt take a rid image..im runing feisty on it to build chroot..so i cana put it on my i386 lappie [12:54] they're broadcom....I had to do some homework and find the new firmware [12:54] yeah fwcutter [12:55] yeah....but I think I used the directions and files from cafuego [12:55] works.. [12:55] that's what matters [12:55] you have your ound one mlti iboks? buy them out..?video is crapping out fight and left [12:56] we sold them to the kids [12:56] i did face transpalnts on three today.. [12:56] they bought them all [12:56] we had a waiting list [12:56] weh ave cardts and carts of them..back to fixing indiviuaal machines again [12:56] I didn't want to deal with them....we have plenty of machines here in school so having a cart would have been more hassle than help [12:57] imlosing ground on the ltsp side..wireless is what they want [12:58] they Never bought any proper terminals..and the donated ones are biting the dust one by one [12:58] I think wireless LTSP is coming soon...even if we have to boot the machine some other method (locally).... [12:58] i used it years ago..before 80211g..it was pokey [12:58] we bought terminals....and now the $120 ones everyone is talking about may be my next purchase [12:59] yeah...I need to revist with 802.11g...or even "n" once it comes out as a standard [12:59] did you hack the provided mac minis so you can actually do something with em?..even thnough you are not supposed to? [12:59] supposedly the current Airport Express cards could become "n" with a simple FW upgrade [01:00] nah....don't need it for anything....heck...don't even use my XServe [01:00] seriously....I haven't even turned it on this year [01:01] I'm a bit top heavy on servers ;-) [01:01] just ticks me off you cant have any admin rights on em..one day ill tackle one.. [01:01] you know how i feel about proprietary stuff.. [01:02] getting a ite to eat.. [01:02] s/ite/bite [01:02] I do....I just sometimes don't bother...that's all [01:03] I hardly even use the thing....I just use an eMac for pushing tasks out. I have to admit that I like the ability to push Unix commands via ARD thought [01:03] though [01:03] makes life much easier [01:03] wrote a script to fire up NWEA all at once [01:04] Ogra...you awake? [01:09] gtg....time to leave this place and head home....catch ya'll alter [01:09] later === jinty [n=jinty@247.Red-83-49-51.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AE541.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw [n=paul@pool188.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@59.40.102.239] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.58] has joined #edubuntu === jgedeon [n=joe@oh-67-77-123-4.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #edubuntu === nkayhan [n=nathan@c-67-161-14-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:47] Hi, I'm trying to set up a few ubuntu boxes to connect to a windows server/network in a school, it there a good resource to find this? [03:48] nkayhan: connect in what manner === rollerce [n=brasskid@S010600112f2ad294.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:48] ? [03:48] good evening everyone [03:48] hello rollerce [03:49] Burgundavia: in the manner that ubuntu would boot to the login screen, and then I could login to the windows domain form there, and see NAS and NAP [03:49] right [03:49] So I downloaded edubuntu today, and I am a complete linux dunce (as in this is the first time I've ever done anything with linux), and I was wondering if I could get some help locating and downloading drivers for my devices [03:49] rollerce: linux drivers are built into Edubuntu [03:50] nkayhan: for auth, you need samba 3.0.24 or later [03:50] not apparently for my graphics card of wireless card [03:50] against AD, I assume? [03:50] or^ [03:50] rollerce: which graphics card? [03:50] Burgundavia: on the windows server? [03:50] nkayhan: no, on the client [03:50] and which wireless card? [03:50] Burgundavia: Good, is there a guide somewhere? [03:51] hang on a sec....*rummage8 [03:51] http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Configure_Ubuntu_for_Active_Directory_Authentication [03:51] yes, Novell has one :)_ [03:51] Burgundavia: YES, thank you, I might be able to convert a classroom to a ubuntu, instead of win98 [03:52] nkayhan: it is not easy and will take a bunch of hacking [03:52] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto [03:52] try also that [03:52] Burgundavia: By "Hacking" do you mean command line stuff and work arounds, or illegal stuff? [03:53] nkayhan: command line stuff [03:53] illegal stuff is known as "cracking" [03:53] Dell Wireless 1390 minicard [03:54] rollerce: I have that same card! [03:54] and ATI mobility radeon x1300 [03:54] I have an Inspiron 6400 laptop if that helps [03:54] rollerce: which version of ubuntu are you running? [03:54] latest of edubuntu [03:54] 6.10, I believe? [03:55] for the ati card, you need https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI?highlight=%28binary%29 [03:55] can you open a terminal and type the following: lspci | grep Broadcom [03:55] open up a what and do who? [03:55] o.o' [03:55] rollerce: Now, ubuntu doesn't make any hardware really, so your card is actually made by Broadcom [03:56] ok.. [03:56] rollerce: Now, *DELL doesn't make any hardware really, so your card is actually made by Broadcom [03:56] sorry, I did a super typo [03:56] that lists all teh hardware connected to the pci bus and then searches it for the string called Broadcom [03:56] ok, how do I open a terminal first off [03:56] remember, total linux dunce here. [03:56] baby steps for me [03:57] applications > accessories > terminal [03:57] rollerce: start menu accesorys [03:57] and what is the command? [03:58] lspci | grep Broadcom [03:58] is that an l or a | *lol* [03:58] the second is a |, not an L [03:58] l vs | [03:58] the first is an L though? [03:58] yes [03:58] lowercase [03:58] rollerce: That card (wireless) was automatic for me, are you sure you just don't need a wireless manager? [03:58] sorry got to go [03:59] nothing happens when I tyoe that [03:59] gah, nuu don't leave!!! *pout* [03:59] Butgundavia: c ya thanks for help [03:59] rollerce: copy and paste [04:00] I can't [04:00] this is a different computer than the one I have edubuntu on [04:00] rollerce: you'll need to right click and not ctl v [04:00] Oh [04:00] :-p [04:00] sorry [04:00] by nothing does it say bash? [04:00] but yah, the lspci | grep broadcom doesn't do anything [04:00] I don't even get a bsh [04:01] just black? [04:01] not even black, just retypes the "rollerce@edubuntu:~$" [04:02] oh good, that mean's that's not your card, try just lspci [04:03] I have an unknown broadcom device [04:03] no numbers after broadcom? [04:04] 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Unknown Device 4311 (rev01) [04:04] and [04:04] try joining #ubuntu btw, there's a lot more people there to help you [04:04] 01:00.0 VGA comptable controller: ATI Technologirs Inc Unknown Device 7149 [04:05] OK, so yes, you definatly need drivers [04:05] yup [04:05] that's what i figured [04:05] give me a second ok? [04:06] okii [04:08] Broadcom 4311 is your chip === rollerce [n=brasskid@S010600112f2ad294.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === rollerce [n=brasskid@S010600112f2ad294.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:12] hmm, no rollerce [04:13] Burgundavia: Shame I haad just found the solution to his problem [04:13] broacom needs the firmware [04:13] pretty easy to do [04:13] well, he needed the driver too, it was an unknow card [04:14] 4311 uses ndiswrapper still [04:14] fwcutter is garbage with it [04:14] does it [04:14] ahh === rollerce [n=brasskid@S010600112f2ad294.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:14] rollerce: welcome back [04:15] i;m back now? [04:15] for real? [04:15] yep [04:15] ^.^ [04:15] btw, where in BC are you? [04:15] had some connection issues for a minuye [04:15] i;m in burnaby [04:15] ahh [04:15] Burgundavia: it is the same card I have [04:15] there is a pretty active Linux Users Group (LUG) in Vancouver [04:15] nixternal: ah [04:15] fwcutter will not work with it, and bcm43xx.berlios.de confirms that as well [04:15] i thought you had to leave burgun [04:15] I am back [04:15] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Broadcom_BCM4311_rev_01_%28ndiswrapper%29?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDevice%29#head-f81347abfd1a9542276e210460e6ecd5fb49fd1a [04:15] after I installed Feisty though, it says my card is a Dell card [04:16] http://wiki.waningsun.net/index.php?title=Dell_E1405_%26_Linux_HOWTO [04:16] ^^ that is the best howto for the 4311 [04:16] guaranteed to work or your money back [04:16] :) [04:16] nixternal: my bad [04:16] hrm, it seems there is some lovin' on the wiki for the 4311, I don't remember that [04:16] I will have to check that out [04:17] actually nkayhan your link is pretty much the same, just w/o all of the glitter :) [04:17] now to see if I can actually do it [04:17] I like the brief summary [04:17] *lol* [04:18] rollerce: eth1 is probably the port for your wifi card, if you get wlan0, consider yourself lucky, even though that doesn't matter a lick [04:18] nixternal: I can use google, you actually did this, so I defer to you [04:19] hehe, Google has answered all but one of my questions [04:19] that is pretty much how it is anyways [04:19] how do I check that? [04:19] iwconfig [04:19] does it say eth1 or wlanX [04:19] nixternal: is wifi radar a good manager? [04:20] I haven't messed with it much, I am a KNetworkManager freak [04:20] ok... [04:20] *confizz* [04:20] Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01) [04:20] eth 1 says everything is the wireless card [04:20] that is what my card says now. and I have a compaq [04:20] nixternal: I'm getting tired of typing in ssid [04:21] nkayhan: I don't have to type it in at all with KNetworkManager,and I am sure NetworkManager is the same [04:21] but I can't select it in the network connections thing [04:21] I probably have to do the driver thing. [04:21] nixternal: I'm using KNetworkManager, but it doesn't list ssids in your area does it? [04:21] it does for me [04:22] ??? [04:22] actually my area is dead right now, usually I get about 5 of them [04:22] afkih for a minute while I mess with this [04:22] if I am upstairs I can get about 10 [04:22] Like does it list on the right click of the icon? [04:23] yup [04:23] I KNOW there's like 3 in my area, but I need to type in the ssid to login to one of them [04:23] and if they are secured, it even shows a neat little lock [04:24] well, if they are hidden, you might have to enter the info for the first go round, and then it should remember it from that point on [04:25] nixternal: yea, it does that, but their NOT hidden (their unsecured neighbor's actually) [04:25] hrmm [04:25] I had to log into windows to see the essid [04:25] then type it in [04:25] I see my neighbors when I am upstairs, usually I see it now, but I am not [04:25] bbiab. the dog is calling me :) [04:27] ack [04:27] how do I make it so I have root access? [04:28] !sudo [04:28] sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information. [04:28] but I need to change the permissions on a file so it's not read-only... [04:28] rollerce: what's the file? [04:29] the blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d [04:29] leave the permissions alone, just edit it with sudo at the start of the command [04:30] i can't do that from the editor in ubuntu [04:30] no, you need to start the editor itself as superuser [04:30] how [04:31] open a terminal, then 'gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist' [04:31] this is my first time using linux so you'l have to be pretty specific === SimonAnibal [n=chatzill@adsl-68-251-144-188.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:31] terminal is at Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal [04:32] brb [04:32] rollerce: welcome aboard btw :) [04:32] thx [04:32] edubuntu is pretty ^.^ [04:33] too right :) [04:35] aaaand i;m stuck now [04:35] so i'm at "http://wiki.waningsun.net/index.php?title=Dell_E1405_%26_Linux_HOWTO" [04:36] at download and compile ndiswrapper....and I'm getting errors. [04:36] many lines of errors? [04:37] when I do "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-'uname -r' [04:37] I get "e: couldn't find package linux-headers-uname -r [04:38] ahh, not ' but ` (backticks, in both cases) [04:38] ahhh [04:38] now it's [04:39] I get "e: couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.17-10-386 [04:39] >.< [04:39] hmm [04:40] does this step require internet access? [04:40] that would help, but I'm fairly sure the headers are on the CD as well [04:41] which means I should put the cd in the drive *lol* [04:41] if I had internet I wouldn't be having to do all this :-P [04:42] :/ === rollerce [n=brasskid@S010600112f2ad294.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === rollerce [n=brasskid@S010600112f2ad294.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:46] am I here? [04:46] rollerce: wb :) [04:46] well, after putting in the cd, I get the same error [04:47] is the cd still in? [04:47] yup [04:47] ok, System -> Administratoin -> Synaptic Package Manager [04:48] okii, done [04:48] once that's open select "Add CDROM" from the Edit menu [04:48] cd spun up [04:48] progress bar... [04:49] asked me if I want to add another cdrom, I assume no [04:49] now what? [04:49] ok, close synaptic [04:49] retry the apt-get [04:49] ok [04:49] still no good [04:49] :/ [04:50] hmmm [04:50] this is a fresh install? [04:50] yup [04:50] as of about 2 hours ago === nkayhan [n=nathan@c-67-161-14-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:51] yea, wirelesscard setup! [04:51] :-p [04:51] hm [04:51] rollerce: how're you doing? [04:52] totally stuck about a paragraph into the walkthrough [04:52] *lol* [04:52] ok, go to Places -> Computer [04:52] ok [04:53] rollerce: man I'm sorry, linux gets way better after initial setup [04:53] open up the cd and navigate to pool/mail/l [04:53] there is no pool directory [04:53] hm, which cd is this? [04:53] wait [04:53] nm [04:53] was in the wrong place [04:54] ok, i;m in the L directory [04:54] now linux-kernel-headers and double-click on the file in there (should be only one) [04:55] hopefully it will be installable [04:55] i have linux-atm, linux-meta, linux-ntfs, linux-source-2.6.17, and linux-wlan-ng [04:56] no linux-kernel-headers [04:56] ah, try linux-source... [04:57] gazillion files in there. === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [04:58] ok, not a gazillion, but a heck of alot. [04:58] :) [04:58] look for linux-headers... [04:58] anything specific I hould look for? [04:59] (might be a few) [05:00] linux-image and linux-libc [05:01] was this a Live CD? or Install CD? [05:01] install cd [05:01] *is [05:01] k [05:01] downloaded it right off of the site today [05:02] i'm 90% certain at least it's an install cd. [05:02] how do I tell [05:04] when you installed, was it a text interface or a gui? [05:04] gui [05:04] hm, install cd isn't gui as far as i recall [05:05] anyway, plan b. do you have a way of transferring files to the PC? [05:05] usb key? [05:06] http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/edubuntu/edgy/edubuntu-6.10-install-i386.iso [05:06] that's the one i downloaded [05:06] and yah, I have a us key [05:06] usb^ [05:06] righto [05:06] what is the output of 'uname -r' (in the terminal) [05:06] ? [05:07] 2.6.17-10-386 [05:09] ok, i'll get some links for you [05:09] oki [05:09] thanks for all the help [05:11] np, once you have network things get much easer :) [05:11] ok [05:11] yah [05:11] two files to download and transfer to the pc: [05:11] http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-headers-2.6.17-10_2.6.17.1-10.34_i386.deb [05:11] http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-headers-2.6.17-10-386_2.6.17.1-10.34_i386.deb [05:12] oki downloading [05:12] i assume put them on the key [05:13] and put them on the ubuntu desktop? [05:13] yep, when you plug it into the PC, Edubuntu should open a window and you can double-click on them to install [05:13] install the one *without* 386 in the name first [05:14] -.- [05:14] too late... [05:14] oh [05:14] nm [05:15] oki., theyre installed [05:16] try the command again>? [05:16] great, that puts you past that step on that page :) [05:16] huh? [05:16] o.o' [05:16] so now what step do I go to? [05:16] o.o' [05:16] "tar -xzvf ndiswrapper-1.27.tar.gz" ?? [05:17] cannot open: no such file or directory [05:18] this guy seems to assume I've got a bunch of thins that I don't... [05:18] yes, you'll need to download and transfer that file as well [05:18] ah [05:19] at the same time, does this work? 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' ? [05:20] that will install things necessary to do the commands beginning with 'make' further on on that page [05:20] eep [05:20]