[12:19] <LaserJock> Burgwork: have you seen this "get LTSP into Fedora" project?
[12:20] <cliebow> url?
[12:20] <Burgwork> LaserJock: nope, linky?
[12:20] <Burgwork> I know RH engineers were interested in LTSP, although Novell rebuffed them
[12:20] <LaserJock> I actually only have a mailing list
[12:20] <LaserJock> I was trolling through gmane and found it
[12:20] <LaserJock> the email says they hope to replace K12LTSP
[12:21] <LaserJock> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education
[12:21] <cliebow> id guess they'd want Eric   Harrison  on their side..
[12:22] <LaserJock> "Eric Harrison has already did lots of the hacking to get 5.0 working on
[12:22] <LaserJock> Fedora, but does not seem to have time to attempt integration of that in
[12:22] <LaserJock> Fedora or ask for help from other Fedora contributors.  That would be a
[12:22] <LaserJock> good place to start if someone wants to help."
[12:22] <Burgwork> cool
[12:22] <LaserJock> bah, sorry for the flood
[12:22] <Burgwork> I saw that mailing list a few days ago, but it was dead
[12:22] <cliebow> jim kronebusch is an old ltsp guy..
[12:23] <cliebow> i workeds with him showing him how to do ppc..
[12:23] <cliebow> warren needs no  introduction
[12:24] <Burgwork> I think RH is minorly concerned about being beaten to the punch in education by Edubuntu
[12:24] <cliebow> eric had an imple,entaion in san francisco in Nov  but  his lappoie crappolad
[12:25] <LaserJock> :(
[12:26] <cliebow> aat  the ltsp meet  ogra attended
[12:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I was at Mt. View and meet Eric
[12:26] <LaserJock> *met
[12:26] <bimberi> Novell have released a thin client SUSE recently as well
[12:27] <cliebow> good...great  people..helped  me a lot with ldap
[12:27] <bimberi> http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=novell+%22thin+client%22&btnG=Search
[12:28] <bimberi> Interesting quote from one article: "Dedicated thin-client hardware is growing at 20 percent year on year compared with commercial desktop growth of two percent."
[12:29] <cliebow> and my ltsp implementation is losing out with the ibooks in Maine  schools..
[12:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> thin client usage is a cycle, atm its getting trendy again
[12:31] <cliebow> so instead  of  tending one server..im   ripping apart   individual machines again..
[12:33] <cliebow> if  i  never  see another  ibook....
[12:34] <MrWizard14> what's wrong with it?
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> did anyone look at that ltsp setup that was emailed to the list by that spanish(?) bloke? i'm wondering if it was interesting
[12:34] <MrWizard14> mine just almost died
[12:36] <cliebow> ibook??
[12:37] <cliebow> hey DAvid
[12:38] <dtrask> hey chuck!
[12:38] <dtrask> I have too many windows open....which room is this?  Edubuntu?
[12:38] <dtrask> LOL
[12:40] <cliebow> yuou got it\! what's neew?
[12:40] <dtrask> Chuck...I had a great moment today...Firefox has been giving me fits lately...slow to load...etc.....so I updated to firefox 2.03 from source today....AND got Flash 9 with sound working
[12:40] <dtrask> took several symlinks, but it works beautifully now  ;-)
[12:40] <cliebow> cool!  ive  seen some  crashes..but  not  on my server machine
[12:41] <cliebow> you  usung  ubuntu for server??
[12:41] <dtrask> for some reason I did a repository update to 1.5.10 and it was taking over a minute to load...of course the kids would click repeatedly trying to get it going
[12:41] <cliebow> sure
[12:41] <dtrask> not this one....this one was FC 5
[12:42] <dtrask> K12LTSP
[12:42] <cliebow> right..
[12:42] <cliebow> i   have   two  schools in ubnut..no three
[12:42] <cliebow> heh
[12:42] <dtrask> I have an Edubuntu server up and running....I'm thinking about migrating totally during April vacation
[12:42] <cliebow> but   only one in  ltsp
[12:43] <dtrask> Are you running Edubuntu LTSP or simply LTSP the standard way on top of it?
[12:43] <cliebow> i  havnt proven  the localdev side iin ubuntu yet..i did  build a ppc chroot  for feisty  yesterday
[12:43] <cliebow> i have only 4.2 in ubuntu in prodication
[12:43] <cliebow> produc tion
[12:44] <cliebow> so my lappie will boot  either pc or ppc clients
[12:44] <cliebow> havnt yety got it to differentiate  between ppc clients and i386  as far as root-path though
[12:45] <cliebow> filename is pretty easy..
[12:45] <cliebow> load times are still relatively sdlow..but  yesterdays update should make sound work out of the box
[12:47] <dtrask> hang on
[12:52] <dtrask> I actually got Feisty running on an iBook (one of the MLTI ones....don't tell on me)....finally after much head banging I got the wireless working
[12:53] <cliebow> i find wireless fluky on ibooks...seems totake  a reboot to recognize new parameters
[12:53] <dtrask> amen....sucks
[12:54] <cliebow> we  had one g4 wouldnt take a rid image..im runing feisty on it to build chroot..so i cana put it on my i386 lappie
[12:54] <dtrask> they're broadcom....I had to do some homework and find the new firmware
[12:54] <cliebow> yeah  fwcutter
[12:55] <dtrask> yeah....but I think I used the directions and files from cafuego
[12:55] <dtrask> works..
[12:55] <dtrask> that's what matters
[12:55] <cliebow> you have your  ound one  mlti iboks?   buy them out..?video  is crapping out fight and left
[12:56] <dtrask> we sold them to the kids
[12:56] <cliebow> i did face transpalnts  on three today..
[12:56] <dtrask> they bought them all
[12:56] <dtrask> we had a waiting list
[12:56] <cliebow> weh  ave cardts and  carts of them..back to fixing indiviuaal machines again
[12:56] <dtrask> I didn't want to deal with them....we have plenty of machines here in school so having a cart would have been more hassle than help
[12:57] <cliebow> imlosing ground  on the ltsp side..wireless  is what they want
[12:58] <cliebow> they  Never bought any proper terminals..and the donated  ones are biting the dust one by one
[12:58] <dtrask> I think wireless LTSP is coming soon...even if we have to boot the machine some other method (locally)....
[12:58] <cliebow> i used it years ago..before 80211g..it  was pokey
[12:58] <dtrask> we bought terminals....and now the $120 ones everyone is talking about may be my next purchase
[12:59] <dtrask> yeah...I need to revist with 802.11g...or even "n" once it comes out as a standard
[12:59] <cliebow> did you hack  the provided mac minis so you can actually do something with em?..even  thnough you are not supposed to?
[12:59] <dtrask> supposedly the current Airport Express cards could become "n" with a simple FW upgrade
[01:00] <dtrask> nah....don't need it for anything....heck...don't even use my XServe
[01:00] <dtrask> seriously....I haven't even turned it on this year
[01:01] <dtrask> I'm a bit top heavy on servers  ;-)
[01:01] <cliebow> just ticks me off you cant  have any  admin  rights on em..one day ill tackle one..
[01:01] <cliebow> you know  how i feel about proprietary stuff..
[01:02] <cliebow> getting a ite to eat..
[01:02] <cliebow> s/ite/bite
[01:02] <dtrask> I do....I just sometimes don't bother...that's all
[01:03] <dtrask> I hardly even use the thing....I just use an eMac for pushing tasks out.  I have to admit that I like the ability to push Unix commands via ARD thought
[01:03] <dtrask> though
[01:03] <dtrask> makes life much easier
[01:03] <dtrask> wrote a script to fire up NWEA all at once
[01:04] <dtrask> Ogra...you awake?
[01:09] <dtrask> gtg....time to leave this place and head home....catch ya'll alter
[01:09] <dtrask> later
[03:47] <nkayhan> Hi, I'm trying to set up a few ubuntu boxes to connect to a windows server/network in a school, it there a good resource to find this?
[03:48] <Burgundavia> nkayhan: connect in what manner
[03:48] <Burgundavia> ?
[03:48] <rollerce> good evening everyone
[03:48] <Burgundavia> hello rollerce
[03:49] <nkayhan> Burgundavia: in the manner that ubuntu would boot to the login screen, and then I could login to the windows domain form there, and see NAS and NAP
[03:49] <Burgundavia> right
[03:49] <rollerce> So I downloaded edubuntu today, and I am a complete linux dunce (as in this is the first time I've ever done anything with linux), and I was wondering if I could get some help locating and downloading drivers for my devices
[03:49] <Burgundavia> rollerce: linux drivers are built into Edubuntu
[03:50] <Burgundavia> nkayhan: for auth, you need samba 3.0.24 or later
[03:50] <rollerce> not apparently for my graphics card of wireless card
[03:50] <Burgundavia> against AD, I assume?
[03:50] <rollerce> or^
[03:50] <Burgundavia> rollerce: which graphics card?
[03:50] <nkayhan> Burgundavia: on the windows server?
[03:50] <Burgundavia> nkayhan: no, on the client
[03:50] <Burgundavia> and which wireless card?
[03:50] <nkayhan> Burgundavia: Good, is there a guide somewhere?
[03:51] <rollerce> hang on a sec....*rummage8
[03:51] <Burgundavia> http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Configure_Ubuntu_for_Active_Directory_Authentication
[03:51] <Burgundavia> yes, Novell has one :)_
[03:51] <nkayhan> Burgundavia:  YES, thank you, I might be able to convert a classroom to a ubuntu, instead of win98
[03:52] <Burgundavia> nkayhan: it is not easy and will take a bunch of hacking
[03:52] <Burgundavia> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto
[03:52] <Burgundavia> try also that
[03:52] <nkayhan> Burgundavia:  By "Hacking" do you mean command line stuff and work arounds, or illegal stuff?
[03:53] <Burgundavia> nkayhan: command line stuff
[03:53] <Burgundavia> illegal stuff is known as "cracking"
[03:53] <rollerce> Dell Wireless 1390 minicard
[03:54] <nkayhan> rollerce:  I have that same card!
[03:54] <rollerce> and ATI mobility radeon x1300
[03:54] <rollerce> I have an Inspiron 6400 laptop if that helps
[03:54] <nkayhan> rollerce:  which version of ubuntu are you running?
[03:54] <rollerce> latest of edubuntu
[03:54] <rollerce> 6.10, I believe?
[03:55] <Burgundavia> for the ati card, you need https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI?highlight=%28binary%29
[03:55] <Burgundavia> can you open a terminal and type the following: lspci | grep Broadcom
[03:55] <rollerce> open up a what and do who?
[03:55] <rollerce> o.o'
[03:55] <nkayhan> rollerce:  Now, ubuntu doesn't make any hardware really, so your card is actually made by Broadcom
[03:56] <rollerce> ok..
[03:56] <nkayhan> rollerce:  Now, *DELL doesn't make any hardware really, so your card is actually made by Broadcom
[03:56] <nkayhan> sorry, I did a super typo
[03:56] <Burgundavia> that lists all teh hardware connected to the pci bus and then searches it for the string called Broadcom
[03:56] <rollerce> ok, how do I open a terminal first off
[03:56] <rollerce> remember, total linux dunce here.
[03:56] <rollerce> baby steps for me
[03:57] <Burgundavia> applications > accessories > terminal
[03:57] <nkayhan> rollerce:  start menu accesorys
[03:57] <rollerce> and what is the command?
[03:58] <Burgundavia> lspci | grep Broadcom
[03:58] <rollerce> is that an l or a | *lol*
[03:58] <Burgundavia> the second is a |, not an L
[03:58] <Burgundavia> l vs |
[03:58] <rollerce> the first is an L though?
[03:58] <Burgundavia> yes
[03:58] <Burgundavia> lowercase
[03:58] <nkayhan> rollerce:  That card (wireless) was automatic for me, are you sure you just don't need a wireless manager?
[03:58] <Burgundavia> sorry got to go
[03:59] <rollerce> nothing happens when I tyoe that
[03:59] <rollerce> gah, nuu don't leave!!! *pout*
[03:59] <nkayhan> Butgundavia: c ya thanks for help
[03:59] <nkayhan> rollerce: copy and paste
[04:00] <rollerce> I can't
[04:00] <rollerce> this is a different computer than the one I have edubuntu on
[04:00] <nkayhan> rollerce: you'll need to right click and not ctl v
[04:00] <nkayhan> Oh
[04:00] <rollerce> :-p
[04:00] <nkayhan>  sorry
[04:00] <nkayhan> by nothing does it say bash?
[04:00] <rollerce> but yah, the lspci | grep broadcom doesn't do anything
[04:00] <rollerce> I don't even get a bsh
[04:01] <nkayhan> just black?
[04:01] <rollerce> not even black, just retypes the "rollerce@edubuntu:~$"
[04:02] <nkayhan> oh good, that mean's that's not your card, try just lspci
[04:03] <rollerce> I have an unknown broadcom device
[04:03] <nkayhan> no numbers after broadcom?
[04:04] <rollerce> 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Unknown Device 4311 (rev01)
[04:04] <rollerce> and
[04:04] <nkayhan> try joining #ubuntu btw, there's a lot more people there to help you
[04:04] <rollerce> 01:00.0 VGA comptable controller: ATI Technologirs Inc Unknown Device 7149
[04:05] <nkayhan> OK, so yes, you definatly need drivers
[04:05] <rollerce> yup
[04:05] <rollerce> that's what i figured
[04:05] <nkayhan> give me a second ok?
[04:06] <rollerce> okii
[04:08] <nkayhan> Broadcom 4311 is your chip
[04:12] <Burgundavia> hmm, no rollerce
[04:13] <nkayhan> Burgundavia: Shame I haad just found the solution to his problem
[04:13] <Burgundavia> broacom needs the firmware
[04:13] <Burgundavia> pretty easy to do
[04:13] <nkayhan> well, he needed the driver too, it was an unknow card
[04:14] <nixternal> 4311 uses ndiswrapper still
[04:14] <nixternal> fwcutter is garbage with it
[04:14] <Burgundavia> does it
[04:14] <Burgundavia> ahh
[04:14] <Burgundavia> rollerce: welcome back
[04:15] <rollerce> i;m back now?
[04:15] <rollerce> for real?
[04:15] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:15] <rollerce> ^.^
[04:15] <Burgundavia> btw, where in BC are you?
[04:15] <rollerce> had some connection issues for a minuye
[04:15] <rollerce> i;m in burnaby
[04:15] <Burgundavia> ahh
[04:15] <nixternal> Burgundavia: it is the same card I have
[04:15] <Burgundavia> there is a pretty active Linux Users Group (LUG) in Vancouver
[04:15] <Burgundavia> nixternal: ah
[04:15] <nixternal> fwcutter will not work with it, and bcm43xx.berlios.de confirms that as well
[04:15] <rollerce> i thought you had to leave burgun
[04:15] <Burgundavia> I am back
[04:15] <nkayhan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Broadcom_BCM4311_rev_01_%28ndiswrapper%29?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDevice%29#head-f81347abfd1a9542276e210460e6ecd5fb49fd1a
[04:15] <nixternal> after I installed Feisty though, it says my card is a Dell card
[04:16] <nixternal> http://wiki.waningsun.net/index.php?title=Dell_E1405_%26_Linux_HOWTO
[04:16] <nixternal> ^^ that is the best howto for the 4311
[04:16] <nixternal> guaranteed to work or your money back
[04:16] <nixternal> :)
[04:16] <nkayhan> nixternal: my bad
[04:16] <nixternal> hrm, it seems there is some lovin' on the wiki for the 4311, I don't remember that
[04:16] <nixternal> I will have to check that out
[04:17] <nixternal> actually nkayhan your link is pretty much the same, just w/o all of the glitter :)
[04:17] <rollerce> now to see if I can actually do it
[04:17] <nixternal> I like the brief summary
[04:17] <rollerce> *lol*
[04:18] <nixternal> rollerce: eth1 is probably the port for your wifi card, if you get wlan0, consider yourself lucky, even though that doesn't matter a lick
[04:18] <nkayhan> nixternal: I can use google, you actually did this, so I defer to you
[04:19] <nixternal> hehe, Google has answered all but one of my questions
[04:19] <nixternal> that is pretty much how it is anyways
[04:19] <rollerce> how do I check that?
[04:19] <nixternal> iwconfig
[04:19] <nixternal> does it say eth1 or wlanX
[04:19] <nkayhan> nixternal: is wifi radar a good manager?
[04:20] <nixternal> I haven't messed with it much, I am a KNetworkManager freak
[04:20] <rollerce> ok...
[04:20] <rollerce> *confizz*
[04:20] <nixternal> Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[04:20] <rollerce> eth 1 says everything is the wireless card
[04:20] <nixternal> that is what my card says now. and I have a compaq
[04:20] <nkayhan> nixternal: I'm getting tired of typing in ssid
[04:21] <nixternal> nkayhan: I don't have to type it in at all with KNetworkManager,and I am sure NetworkManager is the same
[04:21] <rollerce> but I can't select it in the network connections thing
[04:21] <rollerce> I probably have to do the driver thing.
[04:21] <nkayhan> nixternal: I'm using KNetworkManager, but it doesn't list ssids in your area does it?
[04:21] <nixternal> it does for me
[04:22] <nkayhan> ???
[04:22] <nixternal> actually my area is dead right now, usually I get about 5 of them
[04:22] <rollerce> afkih for a minute while I mess with this
[04:22] <nixternal> if I am upstairs I can get about 10
[04:22] <nkayhan> Like does it list on the right click of the icon?
[04:23] <nixternal> yup
[04:23] <nkayhan> I KNOW there's like 3 in my area, but I need to type in the ssid to login to one of them
[04:23] <nixternal> and if they are secured, it even shows a neat little lock
[04:24] <nixternal> well, if they are hidden, you might have to enter the info for the first go round, and then it should remember it from that point on
[04:25] <nkayhan> nixternal: yea, it does that, but their NOT hidden (their unsecured neighbor's actually)
[04:25] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:25] <nkayhan> I had to log into windows to see the essid
[04:25] <nkayhan> then type it in
[04:25] <nixternal> I see my neighbors when I am upstairs, usually I see it now, but I am not
[04:25] <nixternal> bbiab. the dog is calling me :)
[04:27] <rollerce> ack
[04:27] <rollerce> how do I make it so I have root access?
[04:28] <bimberi> !sudo
[04:28] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:28] <rollerce> but I need to change the permissions on a file so it's not read-only...
[04:28] <bimberi> rollerce: what's the file?
[04:29] <rollerce> the blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d
[04:29] <bimberi> leave the permissions alone, just edit it with sudo at the start of the command
[04:30] <rollerce> i can't do that from the editor in ubuntu
[04:30] <bimberi> no, you need to start the editor itself as superuser
[04:30] <rollerce> how
[04:31] <bimberi> open a terminal, then 'gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist'
[04:31] <rollerce> this is my first time using linux so you'l have to be pretty specific
[04:31] <bimberi> terminal is at Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[04:32] <nkayhan> brb
[04:32] <bimberi> rollerce: welcome aboard btw :)
[04:32] <rollerce> thx
[04:32] <rollerce> edubuntu is pretty ^.^
[04:33] <bimberi> too right :)
[04:35] <rollerce> aaaand i;m stuck now
[04:35] <rollerce> so i'm at "http://wiki.waningsun.net/index.php?title=Dell_E1405_%26_Linux_HOWTO"
[04:36] <rollerce> at download and compile ndiswrapper....and I'm getting errors.
[04:36] <bimberi> many lines of errors?
[04:37] <rollerce> when I do "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-'uname -r'
[04:37] <rollerce> I get "e: couldn't find package linux-headers-uname -r
[04:38] <bimberi> ahh, not ' but `  (backticks, in both cases)
[04:38] <rollerce> ahhh
[04:38] <rollerce> now it's
[04:39] <rollerce> I get "e: couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.17-10-386
[04:39] <rollerce> >.<
[04:39] <bimberi> hmm
[04:40] <rollerce> does this step require internet access?
[04:40] <bimberi> that would help, but I'm fairly sure the headers are on the CD as well
[04:41] <rollerce> which means I should put the cd in the drive *lol*
[04:41] <rollerce> if I had internet I wouldn't be having to do all this :-P
[04:42] <bimberi> :/
[04:46] <rollerce> am I here?
[04:46] <bimberi> rollerce: wb :)
[04:46] <rollerce> well, after putting in the cd, I get the same error
[04:47] <bimberi> is the cd still in?
[04:47] <rollerce> yup
[04:47] <bimberi> ok, System -> Administratoin -> Synaptic Package Manager
[04:48] <rollerce> okii, done
[04:48] <bimberi> once that's open select "Add CDROM" from the Edit menu
[04:48] <rollerce> cd spun up
[04:48] <rollerce> progress bar...
[04:49] <rollerce> asked me if I want to add another cdrom, I assume no
[04:49] <rollerce> now what?
[04:49] <bimberi> ok, close synaptic
[04:49] <bimberi> retry the apt-get
[04:49] <rollerce> ok
[04:49] <rollerce> still no good
[04:49] <bimberi> :/
[04:50] <bimberi> hmmm
[04:50] <bimberi> this is a fresh install?
[04:50] <rollerce> yup
[04:50] <rollerce> as of about 2 hours ago
[04:51] <nkayhan> yea, wirelesscard setup!
[04:51] <rollerce> :-p
[04:51] <bimberi> hm
[04:51] <nkayhan> rollerce: how're you doing?
[04:52] <rollerce> totally stuck about a paragraph into the walkthrough
[04:52] <rollerce> *lol*
[04:52] <bimberi> ok, go to Places -> Computer
[04:52] <rollerce> ok
[04:53] <nkayhan> rollerce: man I'm sorry, linux gets way better after initial setup
[04:53] <bimberi> open up the cd and navigate to pool/mail/l
[04:53] <rollerce> there is no pool directory
[04:53] <bimberi> hm, which cd is this?
[04:53] <rollerce> wait
[04:53] <rollerce> nm
[04:53] <rollerce> was in the wrong place
[04:54] <rollerce> ok, i;m in the L directory
[04:54] <bimberi> now linux-kernel-headers and double-click on the file in there (should be only one)
[04:55] <bimberi> hopefully it will be installable
[04:55] <rollerce> i have linux-atm, linux-meta, linux-ntfs, linux-source-2.6.17, and linux-wlan-ng
[04:56] <rollerce> no linux-kernel-headers
[04:56] <bimberi> ah, try linux-source...
[04:57] <rollerce> gazillion files in there.
[04:58] <rollerce> ok, not a gazillion, but a heck of alot.
[04:58] <bimberi> :)
[04:58] <bimberi> look for linux-headers...
[04:58] <rollerce> anything specific I hould look for?
[04:59] <bimberi> (might be a few)
[05:00] <rollerce> linux-image and linux-libc
[05:01] <bimberi> was this a Live CD? or Install CD?
[05:01] <rollerce> install cd
[05:01] <bimberi> *is
[05:01] <bimberi> k
[05:01] <rollerce> downloaded it right off of the site today
[05:02] <rollerce> i'm 90% certain at least it's an install cd.
[05:02] <rollerce> how do I tell
[05:04] <bimberi> when you installed, was it a text interface or a gui?
[05:04] <rollerce> gui
[05:04] <bimberi> hm, install cd isn't gui as far as i recall
[05:05] <bimberi> anyway, plan b. do you have a way of transferring files to the PC?
[05:05] <bimberi> usb key?
[05:06] <rollerce> http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/edubuntu/edgy/edubuntu-6.10-install-i386.iso
[05:06] <rollerce> that's the one i downloaded
[05:06] <rollerce> and yah, I have a us key
[05:06] <rollerce> usb^
[05:06] <bimberi> righto
[05:06] <bimberi> what is the output of 'uname -r' (in the terminal)
[05:06] <bimberi> ?
[05:07] <rollerce> 2.6.17-10-386
[05:09] <bimberi> ok, i'll get some links for you
[05:09] <rollerce> oki
[05:09] <rollerce> thanks for all the help
[05:11] <bimberi> np, once you have network things get much easer :)
[05:11] <bimberi> ok
[05:11] <rollerce> yah
[05:11] <bimberi> two files to download and transfer to the pc:
[05:11] <bimberi> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-headers-2.6.17-10_2.6.17.1-10.34_i386.deb
[05:11] <bimberi> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-headers-2.6.17-10-386_2.6.17.1-10.34_i386.deb
[05:12] <rollerce> oki downloading
[05:12] <rollerce> i assume put them on the key
[05:13] <rollerce> and put them on the ubuntu desktop?
[05:13] <bimberi> yep, when you plug it into the PC, Edubuntu should open a window and you can double-click on them to install
[05:13] <bimberi> install the one *without* 386 in the name first
[05:14] <rollerce> -.-
[05:14] <rollerce> too late...
[05:14] <rollerce> oh
[05:14] <rollerce> nm
[05:15] <rollerce> oki., theyre installed
[05:16] <rollerce> try the command again>?
[05:16] <bimberi> great, that puts you past that step on that page :)
[05:16] <rollerce> huh?
[05:16] <rollerce> o.o'
[05:16] <rollerce> so now what step do I go to?
[05:16] <rollerce> o.o'
[05:16] <bimberi> "tar -xzvf ndiswrapper-1.27.tar.gz"  ??
[05:17] <rollerce> cannot open: no such file or directory
[05:18] <rollerce> this guy seems to assume I've got a bunch of thins that I don't...
[05:18] <bimberi> yes, you'll need to download and transfer that file as well
[05:18] <rollerce> ah
[05:19] <bimberi> at the same time, does this work? 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' ?
[05:20] <bimberi> that will install things necessary to do the commands beginning with 'make' further on on that page
[05:20] <rollerce> eep
[05:20] <rollerce> bunch of linuxese and asks me if I wanna continue
[05:21] <bimberi> lol
[05:21] <rollerce> ok, the walkthrough calls for 1.27 but they're at 1.38 which chould I use?
[05:22] <bimberi> i would hope a later version would do everything an earlier version could
[05:22] <rollerce> i'll try 1.38 then
[05:23] <rollerce> butdownload 1.27 JIC
[05:23] <bimberi> :)
[05:23] <rollerce> so where should I put the file this time?
[05:24] <rollerce> i;m sorry I;m such a noob
[05:24] <bimberi> drag it to your home folder (which is hopefully at the top of the list of Places on the left of the file manager)
[05:25] <rollerce> drug
[05:25] <bimberi> ha
[05:25] <bimberi> now try that tar... command (with 1.38 instead of 1.27)
[05:25] <rollerce> egads
[05:25] <rollerce> bunch of stuff then back to command prompt
[05:26] <bimberi> cool, now the cd (again with the new version)
[05:26] <rollerce> yup, working so far
[05:26] <bimberi> ok, keep going
[05:28] <rollerce> ok.he skipped over the part where I get the .inf out of the .exe...
[05:29] <bimberi> ah, i've not done that myself, hopefully there are instructions about
[05:29] <rollerce> i figured it out.
[05:29] <rollerce> mde a wild gues that the .exe was a self extracting compressed file.
[05:30] <rollerce> which it was, then grabbed the file I needed
[05:30] <bimberi> cool
[05:37] <rollerce> what does he mean by "Then I added ndiswrapper to /etc/modules."
[05:37] <rollerce> does he mean move the ndiswrapper directory into tere?
[05:37] <bimberi> no
[05:38] <bimberi> 'gksu gedit /etc/modules'
[05:38] <bimberi> and add "ndiswrapper" on a new line
[05:39] <bimberi> that page really does assume a lot
[05:42] <rollerce> >.<
[05:42] <rollerce> now I can't get it to connect to my wireless
[05:46] <rollerce> you there?
[05:46] <bimberi> yeah, what did you try?
[05:47] <rollerce> well, when I click on the little thing in the upper right, all I get is "lo"
[05:48] <rollerce> and the iwlist eth0 scan doesn't show my network but the neighbour's instead.
[05:49] <bimberi> try configuring via System -> Administration -> Networking
[05:49] <rollerce> oh wait...
[05:49] <rollerce> I think i;m dumb...
[05:50] <rollerce> well, I know I;m dumb...as far as linux goes
[05:50] <bimberi> perhaps, but you seem patient and willing to learn - perfect customer :)
[05:52] <rollerce> well, i've activated the ethernet card...but it still doesn't show in connection properties
[05:52] <rollerce> do I need some sort of wireless manager?
[05:54] <bimberi> i would have thought you had enough to get connected now.
[05:55] <rollerce> me too
[05:55] <bimberi> perhaps try temporarily removing any security from your access point to see if that helps
[05:55] <rollerce> no internet though
[05:55] <bimberi> or manually typing in the SSID ...
[05:56] <rollerce> yah...I just tried that
[05:56] <rollerce> it shows, but says disconnected
[06:13] <rollerce> no luck
[06:13] <rollerce> disable encryption
[06:13] <rollerce> and it doesn't see my network
[06:15] <bimberi> hm, what device did you say the wireless is on? eth0?
[06:15] <rollerce> I can't even get into a utility to scan my networks.
[06:15] <rollerce> eth 1
[06:16] <bimberi> i'm looking at this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Broadcom_BCM4311_rev_01_%28ndiswrapper%29
[06:16] <bimberi> it includes this: "Critical Notice: Check the file /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper file and make sure that the ndiswrapper alias is wlan0 an not something else such as eth1.
[06:16] <rollerce> >.<
[06:16] <rollerce> how do I fix that?
[06:16] <bimberi> gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[06:17] <bimberi> make the change and reboot the pc
[06:18] <rollerce> it says alias wlan0 ndiswrapper....
[06:19] <bimberi> heh
[06:19] <rollerce> but....
[06:21] <rollerce> it doesn't work..
[06:21] <rollerce> how can I force it to?
[06:21] <bimberi> what's the output of 'cat /etc/iftab'?
[06:22] <bimberi> just the first bits (eg. eth0, wlan0) ?
[06:22] <rollerce> uhm...
[06:24] <rollerce> cat: /etc/iftab/: not a directory
[06:24] <bimberi> no trailing /
[06:24] <bimberi> just /etc/iftab
[06:25] <rollerce> eth0 mac (blahblahblah)
[06:25] <rollerce> eth1 mac (blahblahblah)
[06:26] <bimberi> ok, 'gksu gedit /etc/iftab', comment out the eth1 line (with a # at the start) and reboot
[06:28] <rollerce> rebooting
[06:30] <bimberi> once it's back up, make sure ndiswrapper has loaded by doing 'lsmod | grep ndiswrapper' in a terminal.  If there is no output, the module hasn't loaded
[06:32] <rollerce> it loaded
[06:32] <bimberi> cool
[06:33] <bimberi> hopefully 'iwconfig' is listing network(s) against wlan0 now
[06:34] <bimberi> (or 'iwlist scan')
[06:34] <rollerce> hmm
[06:34] <rollerce> still won't connect
[06:35] <bimberi> :(
[06:36] <bimberi> unfortunately I'm out of ideas at this point
[06:36] <rollerce> gah
[06:36] <rollerce> it's assigned to the wrong mac address.
[06:42] <rollerce> it's assigned to the wrong mac address.
[06:42] <rollerce> i'm gonna try something...
[06:44] <bimberi> I have to go unfortunately, you can try editing /etc/iftab to make sure it has the correct mac addresses for the interfaces
[06:45] <rollerce> that's what i'm trying
[06:45] <bimberi> you could try asking in #ubuntu too (lots of pehple in there)
[06:45] <bimberi> cool
[06:45] <bimberi> bye for now, good luck
[06:45] <rollerce> they basically ignored me;
[06:46] <bimberi> yes, it can depend on who's active when you ask
[07:34] <narutosan> may I get some information on Teacher Grading System which is there on the GSoc ubuntu ideas list
[07:34] <LaserJock> what kind of information?
[07:35] <narutosan> what languages should I use to build?
[07:36] <narutosan> the only thing mentioned is python GTK
[07:36] <LaserJock> well, I don't think there is an absolute requirement
[07:37] <LaserJock> but Edubuntu is a Gnome desktop
[07:37] <LaserJock> and python is a nice easy language and a favorite of a lot of Ubuntu devs
[07:38] <narutosan> I wanted to add some features
[07:38] <narutosan> say it should have an online assignment submission system too
[07:39] <narutosan> where in the students are allowed to submit assignments and are evaluated and are graded
[07:39] <narutosan> it should come as a whole package
[07:40] <LaserJock> sounds interesting
[07:40] <narutosan> it should not only be a system where only theoretical oriented assignments are submitted but code based assignments should also be accepted
[07:41] <narutosan> some of the assignments like code based should be evaluated automatically
[07:42] <narutosan> hence forth making the application not restricted to the schools but also to universities to be able to use the module
[07:42] <narutosan> c/application/module
[07:43] <narutosan> there are some codes which universities to work with like mine is doing but it has flaws as it is not stable
[07:44] <narutosan> that is because the module comes coded in perl but comes as a add-on
[07:45] <narutosan> hence forth when this is implemented within the system it can be more stable and less succeptible to attcks
[07:45] <narutosan> LaserJock:  can you comment on this
[07:48] <LaserJock> well, sounds cool
[07:48] <narutosan> may I get some help please??
[07:49] <LaserJock> what kind of help are you looking for?
[07:49] <narutosan> how do you say I need to proceed in what manner
[07:49] <narutosan> what will be the front end and what the back end??
[07:49] <narutosan> which one do you prefer
[07:50] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:50] <narutosan> I want to module to be cross-platform based one
[07:50] <LaserJock> I think a GTK frontend would be good
[07:51] <narutosan> ok
[07:51] <LaserJock> and depending on time a webfrontend might be cool
[07:51] <narutosan> yes I was thinking about the same thing
[07:51] <narutosan> but about the installation!!
[07:53] <narutosan> for webfrontend the background has to be placed in /var/www/ ---some systems ; some others have something like /srv/www
[07:53] <LaserJock> well, that should all be configurable
[07:54] <narutosan> ok
[07:54] <narutosan> may I ask you a question?
[07:54] <narutosan> are you one among the mentors??
[07:54] <LaserJock> hopefully
[07:55] <narutosan> oh great!!;0
[07:55] <LaserJock> I'm waiting for my application to be approved
[07:55] <narutosan> ;0
[07:55] <narutosan> ok
[07:55] <narutosan> i wish luck
[07:55] <narutosan> anyways does the application sound exciting
[07:56] <LaserJock> I think so
[07:56] <LaserJock> we already have a program called schooltool
[07:56] <LaserJock> you might want to check that out
[07:56] <narutosan> ok
[07:56] <LaserJock> and see where you could improve on it
[07:56] <narutosan> ok
[07:58] <narutosan> may I take some time-out and revert back to you ?
[07:59] <LaserJock> that's fine
[08:08] <narutosan> LaserJock: is the teachers-gradebook an attachment to the schooltool
[08:08] <LaserJock> I'm not really sure
[08:09] <LaserJock> it might be it was intended as a replacement
[08:09] <Lameiro> narutosan, no. at least the SoC page suggests PyGTK
[08:10] <narutosan> that is what
[08:11] <Lameiro> i mean, if the application is gonna be GTK-based, it cannot be part of schooltool. but its core can...
[08:12] <narutosan> ok
[08:12] <narutosan> I want to develop it as a separate module
[08:13] <narutosan> I don't want to make it school specific
[08:13] <Burgundavia> umm?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> is a gradebook not school specific by definition?
[08:13] <narutosan> there are different ways of grading
[08:14] <narutosan> grading --- done in the school and grading done for various competitions are different right
[08:14] <Burgundavia> right
[08:15] <narutosan> there are different areas that are essential to be school specific
[08:16] <LaserJock> you just want to make sure is usable and realistic
[08:17] <narutosan> right so what I was looking is that it should me made universal be it for a school or for a certain competition it should work fine, users must be able to download the module and should be able to use as straight as possible
[08:17] <narutosan> exactly but I am not adding any unnecessary things
[08:19] <narutosan> what I am opting for is it should be made more descriptive providing different various options so that you can make it configurable
[08:20] <narutosan> so what you say is frontend in PhGTK / Webbased??
[08:20] <LaserJock> I think pygtk to start with
[08:20] <narutosan> k
[08:21] <narutosan> backend
[08:21] <narutosan> ??
[08:21] <LaserJock> whatever it takes to get the job done :-)
[08:21] <narutosan> ;0
[08:21] <narutosan> ok
[08:23] <narutosan> thank you so much for your help ; I will start my application now
[08:24] <narutosan> *writing
[08:27] <LaserJock> cool
[08:56] <narutosan> LaserJock: can I use perl to be the backend??
[08:57] <LaserJock> well
[08:57] <LaserJock> it would make the most sense to use python, IMO
[08:57] <LaserJock> as the primary fronted will be GTK
[08:58] <LaserJock> but I guess that could be debated later
[08:58] <narutosan> hey what is IMO??
[08:58] <LaserJock> In My Opinion
[08:59] <narutosan> !!
[09:57] <narutosan> LaserJock: Will you check my app.?
[09:59] <narutosan> can some-one check my application for GSoc for edubuntu??
[10:00] <narutosan> !!
[10:00] <narutosan> hello!!..
[10:01] <cbx33> hi
[10:01] <LaserJock> hi narutosan
[10:01] <cbx33> LaserJock: get to bed ;)
[10:01] <narutosan> hello
[10:01] <cbx33> hehe
[10:02] <LaserJock> cbx33: getting there, my eyes hurt and I'm getting a headache
[10:02] <cbx33> then Go To Sleep
[10:02] <cbx33> ---> Film Quote Alert <------
[10:02] <narutosan> LaserJock: is it so !! oh bye then
[10:03] <narutosan> ;0
[10:03] <narutosan> ;)
[10:03] <narutosan> LaserJock: Can u please check my app.
[10:03] <narutosan> I have just submitted!!
[10:04] <LaserJock> do you have it available online?
[10:05] <narutosan> yes of course "it can be accessed on GSoc if u are a mentor and have a valid username n password for mentors" is what it mentions
[10:06] <cbx33> ahhh...
[10:06] <cbx33> I can have a quick look
[10:07] <cbx33> what is your name?
[10:07] <narutosan> My name is Pranava Swaroop S
[10:08] <narutosan> did you get it
[10:09] <narutosan> cbx33: ??
[10:09] <cbx33> ;)
[10:09] <cbx33> yup
[10:09] <cbx33> looks great
[10:09] <narutosan> thank you
[10:10] <narutosan> :)
[10:10] <narutosan> can you give me any comments
[10:10] <narutosan> I mean any additions or deletions that has to be made
[10:10] <narutosan> ??
[10:11] <cbx33> I don;t think so....it looks like a decent application to me
[10:11] <narutosan> may i know how many people have applied for the same
[10:18] <narutosan> *****Gonna go for Lunch!!
[10:44] <kigurai> cbx33: I have submitted my application now
[11:06] <LaserJock> ogra: I put several more Edubuntu projects on the SoC ideas page
[11:06] <LaserJock> not sure if they are all that much us, but Keybuk wanted to know if I had any ideas so i put some up real quick
[11:07] <LaserJock> s/us/use/
[11:07] <ogra_> saw that
[11:07] <ogra_> thanks
[11:07] <ogra_> even though i'm really not after managing so many projects ...
[11:07] <LaserJock> well, hopefully you won't need to
[11:12] <highvoltage> hey LaserJock and ogra
[11:13] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[11:58] <cliebow>  /join  #ubuntu
[12:01] <highvoltage> cliebow: what's happening there?
[12:11] <cliebow> hi:  just  getting  ready  to go  to school..
[12:11] <cliebow> got   pygtk  on  my mind...
[12:12] <cliebow> need to test  the  sound  on  the ppc feisty client this A.M. if things are quiet.
[12:12] <cliebow> so feed the dogs..the cats..the parrots..the fish..the outside birds..the wife.
[12:15] <highvoltage> geez, lots of animals
[12:18] <cliebow> regular  zoo..sounds like GFuatemaka in  here...what  piece of edubuntu you working  on?
[12:18] <cliebow> hmmm.gotta drive to school..bbiab..
[02:38] <sbalneav> Morning all
[02:38] <ogra> afternoon
[02:39] <jsgotangco> hi!
[02:42] <highvoltage> hey friendly friends!
[02:42] <sbalneav> ogra: Spent some time going through the programs list night. Tried the "enhanced desktop effects" or whatever the heck they call that whacky window manager.
[02:42] <sbalneav> And I have to say, for the record
[02:42] <sbalneav> It sucks.
[02:42] <sbalneav> big time.
[02:43] <ogra> heh
[02:44] <bddebian> Heya
[02:44] <ogra> i havent seen it ever ... got no card supporting composite here ...
[02:44] <sbalneav> Firefox COMPLETELY messes up underneath it.
[02:44] <sbalneav> it's a HUGE cpu hog.
[02:44] <ogra> i tried bery with xgl on my ati card ... but that suicked a lot ...
[02:44] <ogra> *beryl
[02:45] <sbalneav> People seem to go gaga over this, I'm left wondering "what are they smoking".
[02:45] <ogra> luckily we dont ship it in edubuntu :)
[02:45] <ogra> well, its cool in new HW
[02:46] <sbalneav> I've got 20 bucks right here right now.
[02:46] <ogra> if you have 3GHz dual core, 2Gig of RAM and a new nvidia card in your laptop it will rock
[02:46] <sbalneav> This twenty says: anyone who turns it on, and thinks it's cool, turns it off in two months once the novelty's worn off.
[02:47] <sbalneav> heh
[02:47] <sbalneav> yeah
[02:47] <sbalneav> "I'm going to carry around a box that's capable of serving 30 thin clients, because I want my WINDOWS to wiggle when I move 'em around" :)
[02:47] <sbalneav> wiggle wiggle wiggle
[02:48] <ogra> heh
[02:48] <ogra> dont forget they drop real shadows to cool your coke on the desktop in the sun ;)
[02:49] <sbalneav> Sorry, I know I'm sounding like a grade-a ***hole here, but MAN, if we could get all those graphics guys making windows burning in one of those windows managers working on the Gimp, or producing a great Free 3d game or something...
[02:49] <jsgotangco> yup
[02:51] <sbalneav> We need to get some good 3d games included in the distro, if there's room.
[02:51] <sbalneav> Or maybe a "gamebuntu"
[02:52] <sbalneav> add Glest, warzone2100, Wesnoth, etc.
[02:54] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:56] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Do like I am, switching to Intel graphics.
[02:57] <sbalneav> Plus, sending nice letters to intel encouraging them to produce an AGP card with their graphics chipset,so you don't have to replace your mobo to get it.
[02:57] <crimsun> yeah, I passed up a core 2 duo so that I could stick w/ intel graphics
[02:58] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I have intel graphics on all my machines ;)
[02:58] <sbalneav> Good man
[02:58] <sbalneav> I'm 1/2 way there.
[02:58] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I made the switch since I was wow'd by my little i845 4 years ago
[02:59] <highvoltage> my one computer has one of these S3 Unichrome cards onboard
[02:59] <highvoltage> but I've demoted it to a file and xen server
[02:59] <sbalneav> Yeah, I was gonna say.
[03:00] <highvoltage> if it doesn't have an intel card that works with free drivers, it's not desktop worthy for me :)
[03:00] <sbalneav> S3 is to video what, say, a McDonalds cheeseburger is to fine cuisine.
[03:00] <highvoltage> heh
[03:00] <sbalneav> Or, subway come to think of it.
[03:00] <sbalneav> haha
[03:00] <highvoltage> lol!
[03:00] <highvoltage> then you should say, "what subway is to french cuisine"!
[03:01] <sbalneav> yeah
[03:01] <sbalneav> Coming to the next UDS?
[03:01] <highvoltage> having said that, the subway over here is much better than the subway in france.
[03:01] <highvoltage> I don't know, RichEd says it's 99% confirmed, he wants me to talk at the education summit happening before the UDS
[03:02] <highvoltage> but I haven't received final confirmation yet.
[03:02] <highvoltage> sbalneav: and you?
[03:02] <sbalneav> I'm willing to wager you've got some local restaurants that serve Boer/Dutch/Native SA dishes that kick the butt off anything Subway has to serve :)
[03:03] <sbalneav> Far as I know, I'll be there.
[03:03] <highvoltage> heh
[03:03] <sbalneav> You'll have a chance to redeem yourself, culinary wise.
[03:03] <sbalneav> Just do what we do, say what we say. :)
[03:04] <highvoltage> I'd like to have some time to talk to ogra and Laser_away and yourself and any other edubuntu members that might be there about edubuntu and how we can get some more momentum in the project
[03:05] <highvoltage> things have become more sane for me the last month or so, so I can get into edubuntu much more easier again
[03:05] <ogra> highvoltage, you dont come to UES ?
[03:05] <ogra> we should have plenty of time to talk about everything there
[03:05] <highvoltage> ogra: riched said there's a 99% probability that I will, but I don't have confirmation yet
[03:06] <ogra> right, and rich is apparently not able to get online from where he is atm
[03:06] <ogra> next week then
[03:06] <highvoltage> where is he at the moment?
[03:07] <ogra> somewhere travelling in africa ...
[03:07] <highvoltage> when is UES again? I can't find the exact dates in my logs anymore
[03:07] <ogra> to some conf or something, i'm not 100% sure
[03:07] <ogra> three days before UDS, same place
[03:29] <cbx33> ogra: can you let RichEd know I can't get to UES
[03:32] <kigurai> Hello everyone
[03:35] <juliux> hi kigurai
[03:59] <ogra> cbx33, no, surely not before you can do it yourself ... he's still travelling
[04:13] <cbx33> heh
[04:13] <cbx33> I bet you'll see him before I will ;)
[04:16] <kigurai> cbx33: Did you get my application? :)
[04:18] <cbx33> google got your apication yes ;)
[04:19] <kigurai> cbx33: Haha :)
[04:34] <ogra> http://www.fysioforum.nl/
[04:34] <ogra> hmm
[05:03] <gvx> can some one please assist me with creating a custom live cd?  I have a cd burned and a second pc ready to partition...
[05:19] <cliebow_> Yeccch: just blew away a perfeclty good mint install so put on xp..so the little christers can use Plato Learning
[05:36] <Kobie> after a while my dsl connection disconnects in ifconfig ppp0 upper to be up a download continues but mozilla wont any one can help ?
[06:43] <cbx33> Hey Burgwork
[06:43] <cbx33> do you have a media pc then?
[06:43] <Burgwork> no, but I am in the middle of designing one
[06:43] <cbx33> awesome
[06:43] <cbx33> seen linuxmce?
[06:44] <cbx33> that's what I'm gonna use for it
[06:44] <cbx33> but I'm just trying to work out the hardware
[06:49] <cliebow__> cbx33:studentcontrolpanel.ltcm doesnt seem available..running student-control-panel
[06:50] <cbx33> Ill be downloading the pacakge a little later on
[06:51] <cliebow__> excellent..can you give a link when you do??
[06:51] <cbx33> of course
[06:52] <cliebow__> im trying to get a handle on it 8~)
[07:45] <rockprincess> howdy howdy
[09:37] <tackat> Is there anyone curious enough to try an early beta: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Marble+-+Desktop+Globe?content=55105
[09:37] <tackat> :)
[09:38] <rockprincess> tackat: yeah sure, certainly!!! is there a .deb file? :D
[09:38] <tackat> rockprincess: yes
[09:38] <rockprincess> tackat: cool, thank you!! i'll try it!!!
[09:39] <tackat> rockprincess: Install http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/kubuntu/marble_0.3-1_i386.deb and http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/kubuntu/marble-data_0.3-1_all.deb
[09:44] <rockprincess> tackat: uhhhh missing dependencies....
[09:44] <tackat> rockprincess: ??????
[09:44] <tackat> rockprincess: you only need Qt 4.2
[09:45] <rockprincess> tackat: libgcc1 libc6 libstdc++6
[09:45] <rockprincess> are missing, need to install them first
[09:45] <tackat> are you on edgy or feisty?
[09:45] <rockprincess> edgy
[09:46] <tackat> ok
[09:46] <tackat> they are made for edgy
[09:46] <rockprincess> hmmm, doesn
[09:46] <rockprincess> doesn't work :(
[09:46] <rockprincess> i just tried to install the above mentioned libraries manually, but it says they're already installed
[09:46] <tackat> rockprincess: what kind of processor? do you have
[09:46] <rockprincess> amd
[09:47] <tackat> hm
[09:47] <tackat> still strange :)
[09:47] <tackat> you're the first to report that it doesn't work and I had several kubuntu people trying it already
[09:47] <rockprincess> libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1) but 2.4-1ubuntu12.3 should be installed....says the konsole
[09:48] <rockprincess> hmm :(
[09:50] <tackat> are you sure that it's not a leftover dependency from some other package?
[09:51] <rockprincess> hmm maybe......shall i try a force install? http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=edgy&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=libc6&searchon=names
[09:52] <tackat> did you do an "apt-get -f install" before?
[09:52] <rockprincess> nope
[09:52] <tackat> try that
[09:52] <tackat> :)
[09:52] <rockprincess> okidok
[09:53] <rockprincess> hmm i think an apt-get -f install won't work, as marble isn't in the ubuntu repositories yet, is it?
[09:53] <rockprincess> when i install apt-get -f install marble it will install something different probably?
[09:53] <tackat> no. You just do.
[09:54] <tackat> apt-get -f install
[09:54] <tackat> No "marble" behind that
[09:54] <rockprincess> ok
[09:54] <tackat> and then tell me what it says :)
[09:55] <rockprincess> it said: Entferne marble ... which means "removing marble"
[09:55] <tackat> ok
[09:56] <tackat> anything else?
[09:56] <rockprincess> nothing else, i'm afraid
[09:56] <tackat> strange :)
[09:58] <rockprincess> what a pity....i wanted to try out marble because the screenshots look wicked :)
[09:59] <rockprincess> is it maybe because i ain't got qt4.2 yet?
[10:00] <tackat> d'oh
[10:00] <tackat> yes
[10:00] <tackat> you need qt4.2 first :)
[10:01] <tackat> so please install qt4.2 and once you did, try again to install those two marble-deb's
[10:01] <tackat> :)
[10:01] <rockprincess> will i fuck up my system if i install qt4.2. is there any harm or am i mixing things up with kde4?
[10:01] <rockprincess> ok
[10:01] <tackat> no
[10:01] <tackat> qt4.2 doesn't touch any parts of your existing KDE
[10:02] <rockprincess> excellent ;)
[10:05] <rockprincess> hmmm can
[10:05] <rockprincess> can't find the package
[10:06] <rockprincess> what packages are needed for qt4.2?
[10:06] <rockprincess> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=edgy&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=qt4&searchon=names
[10:07] <tackat> libqt4-core
[10:07] <tackat> libqt4-gui
[10:07] <tackat> that's about it
[10:07] <rockprincess> thank you!
[10:08] <rockprincess> hmm both are already installed
[10:08] <rockprincess> trying something different...hold on
[10:09] <rockprincess> fuck....
[10:09] <rockprincess> it says "trying to remove kubuntu-desktop"
[10:09] <tackat> wow :) what are you doing over there?
[10:10] <tackat> apt-get install libqt4-core libqt4-gui
[10:10] <tackat> should never try to remove anything :)
[10:11] <rockprincess> Qt 4 core non-GUI functionality runtime library
[10:11] <rockprincess> The -kdecopy version of Qt 4 is for KDE 4 developers only. It is a build of qt-copy from KDE's SVN and will always conflict with the normal Qt 4 packages. No binary compatibility is guaranteed.
[10:11] <rockprincess> Qt is a cross-platform C++ application framework. Qt's primary feature is its rich set of widgets that provide standard GUI functionality.
[10:11] <rockprincess> This packages contains the core non-GUI shared library, and the Network and XML modules.
[10:12] <tackat> You tried to install the wrong package :)
[10:12] <tackat> I didn't say:
[10:12] <tackat> libqt4-gui-kdecopy
[10:12] <tackat> I said:
[10:12] <tackat> libqt4-gui
[10:12] <tackat> same for: libqt4-core-kdecopy vs. libqt4-core
[10:13] <tackat> So just do: apt-get install libqt4-core libqt4-gui
[10:13] <rockprincess> yep, but libqt4-gui was already installed......anyway, i reinstalled libqt4-core and kubuntu-desktop....hopefully there won't be too much damages
[10:14] <rockprincess> anyway, i think i shall reboot.....wish me luck :D
[10:38] <tackat> rockprincess: and?
[10:40] <rockprincess> tackat: being a bit paranoid right now, and backing up my /.kde/ folder before i boot ;)
[10:40] <rockprincess> might take some time hehe
[10:45] <sayan_> o/
[11:03] <rockprincess> tackat: still not working....but atleast everything's fine with kubuntu....i'll try to install it on monday when I'm at my school again...different setup, might work there...
[11:56] <tri> can someone help, my nic driver does not load NVIDIA nForce MCP networking adapter
[12:07] <cbx33> cliebow, tcm works fine here