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| ryanakca | anything needing to get done? | 12:19 |
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| Tm_T | ryanakca: yes, you can rub my neck, it's hurting | 12:24 |
| ryanakca | lol | 12:24 |
| === Tm_T orders personal massage | ||
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| Tm_T | (or was it massacre?) | 12:25 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 12:25 |
| sebas | Tm_T: massacre for you, massage for me. | 12:25 |
| Tm_T | sebas: deal! | 12:25 |
| sebas | Hm, Instant Massaging, a new feature for KDE4 | 12:25 |
| Tm_T | ? | 12:25 |
| ryanakca | rofl | 12:26 |
| yacoob | ryanakca, bug 94615 needs love :) | 12:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 94615 in kdebase "Firefox launched from alt-f2 doesn't apply all gtk2-qt-engine settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94615 | 12:34 |
| Tm_T | yacoob: and I don't?! | 12:41 |
| === sebas gives Tm_T some safe internet loving. | ||
| === ryanakca thinks he can figure out how to fix it | ||
| nixternal | Riddell: I am building yet another kubuntu-docs package to close a linking bug. No strings were harmed in the creation of this package :) | 01:01 |
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| Tm_T | anyone knows is there will be chance to get Feisty cd's to releaseparty (that means shipped before release) ? | 01:06 |
| Tm_T | or, hm, we always could burn them ourself | 01:06 |
| Tm_T | need nice packages though | 01:07 |
| Tm_T | or better idea, we need only one cd with Riddell's signature! | 01:07 |
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| jjesse | sebas: i got your email | 01:10 |
| Jucato | Tm_T: get your LoCo contact person to pre-order Feisty CD's | 01:10 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: even with my activity, I have no idea what "my LoCo" could be | 01:11 |
| Jucato | Local Community | 01:11 |
| Jucato | hm... | 01:11 |
| Tm_T | yes, but what does that mean in real world ;) | 01:11 |
| Jucato | er... dunno :) | 01:12 |
| Tm_T | exactly | 01:12 |
| === Jucato doesn't know where Tm_T is from... | ||
| jjesse | i wouldn't know what my loco group would be | 01:12 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: 1 point hint, where Linux is from | 01:12 |
| Jucato | ubuntu-fi then? | 01:12 |
| Tm_T | ...that's our LoCo? | 01:13 |
| === Jucato checks the wiki | ||
| Tm_T | interesting, I wonder who's our leader then | 01:13 |
| Jucato | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FinnishTeam | 01:15 |
| yuriy | that reminds me, i should preorder feisty cd's | 01:15 |
| Jucato | Finland TimoJyrinki FinnishTeam #ubuntu-fi ubuntu-fi@lists.ubuntu.com http://forum.ubuntu-fi.org/ | 01:16 |
| Tm_T | aah, mirv, thanks | 01:16 |
| Tm_T | (atleast we have leader) | 01:16 |
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| ryanakca | Jucato: I thought you were in the philipines... | 01:20 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: you thought right :) | 01:20 |
| ryanakca | oh, lol | 01:20 |
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| Jucato | hehe :) | 01:21 |
| Jucato | I'm not worthy to share the same country with Tm_T | 01:21 |
| Jucato | :D | 01:21 |
| ryanakca | hmm... commiting a hopefull fix to k-d-s on launchpad can't hurt, can it? | 01:21 |
| ryanakca | ( to fix bug 94615 ) | 01:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 94615 in kdebase "Firefox launched from alt-f2 doesn't apply all gtk2-qt-engine settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94615 | 01:22 |
| === Jucato doesn't know... just knows that beta is still in freeze | ||
| === ryanakca nods | ||
| === ryanakca kicks bzr... sooo slow. | ||
| Jucato | I thought it was supposed to be fast :P | 01:23 |
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| ryanakca | lol | 01:26 |
| ryanakca | it /could/ run 5% faster if it was run with python -O | 01:27 |
| Jucato | heeh :) | 01:27 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6900329/kubuntu-docs.debdiff | 01:36 |
| nixternal | tested and works | 01:36 |
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| Tm_T | Hobbsee: morning | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 02:12 |
| Tm_T | stupid kopete keeps crashing on start | 02:12 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee!!! | 02:12 |
| Jucato | :) | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato! | 02:12 |
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| Tm_T | bah, can't get it to work :/ | 02:14 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: the X freezing after continued use w/o mouse/keyboard activity is a known bug right? | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: dunno | 02:16 |
| Jucato | wasn't that the X bug you were telling me about? something about opengl screensavers or something? | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | oh. could be. thats' been fixed | 02:17 |
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| Jucato | hm... just experienced it twice... the 2nd one earlier.. :( | 02:18 |
| Tm_T | ok, time to give up, good night -> | 02:25 |
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| Hobbsee | oh dear. kmail devs are fixing heaps of bugs, all of which are going to violate freeze | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | how about taking svn 3.5.6 kmail... | 02:27 |
| Jucato | oh.. | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: the patch works perfectly :) | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: I just had big fixing a kpilot build issue | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: I just tested on 800 mails, using the menus and not ctrl+j, no crash | 02:41 |
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| DaSkreech | hi hunger umm hunger_t | 04:33 |
| === Jucato hungry now.. | ||
| DaSkreech | Just ate Bun and cheese | 04:34 |
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| giangy | 'morning | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 08:04 |
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| jpetso | Ridell, sebas: I switched to Feisty yesterday | 08:33 |
| Hobbsee | hey jpetso | 08:34 |
| jpetso | hey Hobbsee | 08:34 |
| jpetso | sebas: guidance-powermanager is still showing "Not present" for the (non-existant) second battery | 08:34 |
| jpetso | Riddell: I tried out the upgrader, and noted a few shortcomings | 08:35 |
| jpetso | Riddell: Which means you'll get a text file sent to your mail address :D | 08:35 |
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| jpetso | yeah, and i'm now trying to actually work with Polyester | 08:36 |
| jpetso | it may work out! | 08:37 |
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| Jucato | _StefanS_: !!! | 08:55 |
| Jucato | :) | 08:55 |
| _StefanS_ | hey | 08:56 |
| _StefanS_ | wasssup ? | 08:57 |
| Jucato | not much. :) | 08:57 |
| _StefanS_ | so you're the only one here ? :) | 08:57 |
| Jucato | well at least nothing directly related the logout dialog :D | 08:57 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee's here too, with her stick as usual :D | 08:57 |
| _StefanS_ | of doom | 08:58 |
| Jucato | long pointy :) | 08:58 |
| _StefanS_ | I dont really see that bluetooth patch anywhere.. | 08:59 |
| Hobbsee | of course | 09:06 |
| === Hobbsee greets Jucato with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and waves to _StefanS_ | ||
| _StefanS_ | :) | 09:07 |
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| Tm_T | hmm, how I can filter stuff from fridge calendar to ical file? | 09:41 |
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| jpetso | Lure: ping | 09:47 |
| jpetso | Lure: your K3b packages don't include the (dvdread-dependant) DVD ripping support, do they? | 09:47 |
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| Riddell | comments welcome http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-beta.php | 09:59 |
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| Riddell | hunger: any photos from the decibel do? | 10:13 |
| hunger | Riddell: I think Duncan has uploaded some. | 10:13 |
| hunger | Riddell: I have a couple... mostly boring pics of us sitting in front of our laptops. | 10:14 |
| sebas | hunger: THat's cool, people like to see faces. | 10:14 |
| sebas | "What does the decibel-god look like?" | 10:14 |
| Riddell | http://www.flickr.com/photos/duncanmac-vicar hmm, toilets and baths, probably not | 10:16 |
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| tackat_ | If somebody would like to try Marble: http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble14.png here are packages (they work for Edgy): http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/kubuntu/marble_0.2-3_i386.deb http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/kubuntu/marble-data_0.2-3_all.deb | 10:16 |
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| Jucato | maybe we can have marble for Ubiquity in the next release? :) | 10:17 |
| Riddell | Jucato: it's over 10MB, so probably not | 10:18 |
| tackat_ | btw: It doesn't use OpenGL ;) | 10:18 |
| Jucato | ouch O.o | 10:18 |
| tackat_ | Riddell: it should be 6 MB | 10:18 |
| Jucato | prolly still a bit big for the Live CD though... :( | 10:18 |
| tackat_ | Riddell: and you can easily strip it down :) | 10:18 |
| Riddell | oh yes | 10:18 |
| tackat_ | should be possible to make 4 MB out of it if you ask me how | 10:19 |
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| Lure_ | jpetso: yes, dvdread is in universe and need main inclusion first - we first want to ensure k3b 1.0 exception of freeze and then we can add additional build dependancies and MIR | 10:20 |
| jpetso | Lure: ah, so it's actually planned? | 10:20 |
| jpetso | er. | 10:21 |
| jpetso | Lure_: I wouldn't have guessed so :) | 10:21 |
| tackat_ | And you could even ship without the data package if you wait 2-3 weeks, as I'll have automagical tile download by that time | 10:21 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: any news regarding k3b UVFe (now that beta is almost out)? | 10:22 |
| tackat_ | In that case it would only be 200 kB | 10:22 |
| jpetso | Lure_: what does resmgr do? it was in previous releases, but has been removed in Feisty | 10:23 |
| Lure_ | jpetso: resmgr? | 10:23 |
| jpetso | (i'm asking because that was an optional K3b build depency, and i now checkinstalled an own build myself) | 10:24 |
| Riddell | Lure_: nope, we can poke tollef after beta is out (waiting for mirrors to sync) | 10:24 |
| jpetso | s/depency/dependency/ | 10:24 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: or cjwatson... | 10:25 |
| jpetso | Riddell: i hope i got your mail address right when sending my upgrader issue report file? | 10:27 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: should you also mention koffice 1.6.2 in beta announement (even if not on cd)? | 10:29 |
| Riddell | Lure_: tollef is release dude | 10:29 |
| Riddell | jpetso: yes, got it thanks | 10:29 |
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| Riddell | jpetso: I hope to get round to clearing my e-mail backlog today | 10:29 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: yes, but both are listed for exceptions in main ;-) | 10:29 |
| jpetso | hehe | 10:29 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: you just need to pick the right one ;-) | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: just send it to /dev/null. easy | 10:30 |
| === Jucato sends Jucato to /dev/null | ||
| === Hobbsee rescues Jucato | ||
| Jucato | don't! :) | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | hi everyone | 10:32 |
| Jucato | hi Tonio_! | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | ARGH, IT'S TONIO. EVERYBODY RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | ahem. hi! | 10:35 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: mooh, good to hear there's no crashes anymore | 10:35 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: you should stop thinking aloud :) | 10:35 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: I instead keep having crashes, have to turn indexlib off again :( | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: what surprises me is that people claim the fix doesn't work on kde bts... | 10:36 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: *grin* | 10:36 |
| Jucato | anyone here using Umbrello? just wondering how to add a constructor in a class diagram | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: I tested here with thousands of emails, that perfectly stable | 10:36 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: aww, that's evil | 10:36 |
| Hobbsee | i thought we didnt ship with digikam at the moment? | 10:36 |
| Tm_T | aww, I'm so tired... :( | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: btw, I'll upload and close the launchpad bug once the freeze ends | 10:38 |
| Lure_ | nice, kmail is getting some bug fixing attention: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2739 | 10:39 |
| Tm_T | yup | 10:39 |
| Lure_ | we should look into this and include them in feisty... | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: was that you who ping me concerning kinstaller and its kcm extension for systemsettings ? | 10:39 |
| === sebas wonders if some of those patches will make Feisty. | ||
| Tonio_ | I'm unsure who did... | 10:39 |
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| Jucato | Tonio_: um. nope... :/ | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: okay ;) | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | Lure_: indeed. i'm just wondering how much of it we can put in | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | hi mr luka ! | 10:40 |
| Jucato | (but I'm sure I ping'ed you for some kcm stuff too :P) | 10:40 |
| Lure_ | Hobbsee: everything | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | Lure_: as long as they dont break anything else while they fix imap, we'll be right | 10:40 |
| Lure_ | hi Tonio_ | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as imap is utterly broken in current form | 10:40 |
| sebas | Hobbsee: Dreamer ;-) | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | sebas: :P | 10:40 |
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| Jucato | O.o | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: broken ? | 10:41 |
| sebas | Well, Bille and coolo are otherwise very capable developers, so there's some hope =) | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: imap mail on kmail, broken, yes. | 10:41 |
| Jucato | freaking coincidence that I'm about to do the same thing sebas is going to do O.o | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I use imapr for all my email accounts and never have a problem | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: with kmail? | 10:41 |
| sebas | Jucato: You scare me, go away! ;-) | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | with kontact, is there a difference ? | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: you dont get hitten by the crash on select mail bug, that most other people get hit by? | 10:41 |
| Jucato | you scared me first | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | no. should be the same | 10:41 |
| Jucato | (of course I have to be the one to go away :P) | 10:42 |
| sebas | My most-hated bug is when the system time is weird. | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: the only issue I had with imap is select lots of mails and apply filters | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: wifed with the patch I hadded yesterday | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: appart from that, works perfectly here | 10:42 |
| sebas | Sometimes my systems comes out of suspend-to-ram with the date set to 2002. If then kmail gets any mail, or basically changes any mtime in a dimap folder, I have to delete all local copies of my email to make kmail start again. | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | lucky. dunno how | 10:42 |
| sebas | Highly annoying. | 10:43 |
| Tonio_ | I don't use direct imap, but disconnected imap.... maybe the difference is there | 10:43 |
| Hobbsee | ah, yes | 10:43 |
| Hobbsee | that'd be it | 10:43 |
| sebas | Well, shower(). | 10:43 |
| Riddell | tackat_: ooh, we can classify marble as a KDE 4 project, that means it's covered by our ignore upstream version freeze rule | 10:45 |
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| Hobbsee | haha | 10:46 |
| Jucato | O.o | 10:46 |
| Hobbsee | this is the "anything can fit under KDE 4 project" mantra | 10:46 |
| Riddell | tackat_: what's changed in -3? | 10:46 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: hm.. is that a good thing or a bad thing? /me is ignorant :) | 10:47 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: to be fair it is a KDE 4 project in development | 10:47 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, thought it might be | 10:47 |
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| Jucato | hah :) | 10:50 |
| tackat_ | Riddell: it includes a measure tool and very basic Wikipedia integration | 10:50 |
| tackat_ | Riddell: and a coordination grid | 10:50 |
| Riddell | tackat_: if this is a new upstream source releae it should have a new upstream version number (e.g. 0.3) | 10:51 |
| tackat_ | Riddell: ah ok, I'll keep that in mind next time. | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | er | 10:52 |
| tackat_ | Obviously I tried to be too conservative with the version number ;) | 10:52 |
| Riddell | tackat_: I can't upload it to feisty unless it has a new version number | 10:52 |
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| tackat_ | Riddell: Now that is hard to change ;) | 10:53 |
| naught101 | has anyone noticed and buggerups with recent xorg updates? | 10:53 |
| === Tonio_ is listening to Pull Me Under by Dream Theater on Live at the Marquee [Amarok] | ||
| Tonio_ | sorry that's just a test ! | 10:54 |
| tackat_ | Riddell: so which version number would do it? | 10:54 |
| naught101 | my mate is suing fesity on a dell d600, and the entire screen is artefacting massively | 10:54 |
| naught101 | using | 10:54 |
| Riddell | tackat_: anything larger than 0.2 :) | 10:54 |
| tackat_ | Ah ok | 10:54 |
| waylandbill | there's a fair amount of reading in the packaging guide. | 10:56 |
| waylandbill | guess I better get coffee. :-) | 10:56 |
| Hobbsee | waylandbill: we'll test you on it at the end, you know that, dont you? :P | 10:57 |
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| === Tonio_ can't wait for the end of the freeze........ that's too long :'( | ||
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: hehe, exactly! | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | 9 days now no ? | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | something like that. beta got delayed | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yes but well..... a bit painfull... | 11:00 |
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| Jucato | ha! I think I can see Hobbsee from Marble :) | 11:22 |
| Hobbsee | hrm? | 11:22 |
| Jucato | didn't try installing marble? :) | 11:23 |
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| Hobbsee | nope | 11:23 |
| Jucato | ah | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | -ENOEDGY | 11:23 |
| Jucato | oh yeah.. forgot that it's edgy :) | 11:24 |
| Tm_T | hmm, Marble is KDE4 -mapwidget stuff? | 11:24 |
| Jucato | hey wth?! I'm not on edgy either lol! | 11:24 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: I installed it on feisty bwahahah | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | didnt try it | 11:24 |
| Jucato | Tm_T: yah | 11:24 |
| Jucato | it's like a tamed Google Earth | 11:25 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: hmm, I think I have seen it before | 11:25 |
| Jucato | it's kinda nice for a wow effect in Ubiquity :) | 11:25 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: ETA of beta? | 11:26 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: friday | 11:26 |
| Jucato | next friday? | 11:26 |
| Hobbsee | this one | 11:26 |
| Jucato | ohkay.... | 11:26 |
| Jucato | so I guess a bit later? | 11:26 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, think so | 11:26 |
| Hobbsee | the candidates from today should be it, i think | 11:27 |
| Hobbsee | wow, this is big... | 11:28 |
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| tackat | Riddell: http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/kubuntu/ | 11:56 |
| tackat | could you tell me whether they work for you? | 11:56 |
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| Riddell | " package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)" | 11:57 |
| Riddell | hang on | 11:57 |
| tackat | ah | 11:57 |
| tackat | hm | 11:58 |
| tackat | yeah | 11:58 |
| tackat | I compiled with -msse | 11:58 |
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| tackat | because it's a lot faster then | 11:58 |
| tackat | any suggestion how to package it in a way that there are seperate packages for >PentiumIII | 11:59 |
| tackat | (i.e. including SSE) | 11:59 |
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| tackat | Riddell: btw: the debian-dir is in SVN | 12:00 |
| Riddell | I don't think there's any way of doing that | 12:00 |
| tackat | hm :) | 12:00 |
| tackat | It should be really tough to find a PC without SSE these day so it's a bit stupid if it had to be compiled without SSE :) | 12:01 |
| Riddell | there's an Edinburg in Mexico?! | 12:02 |
| tackat | if Marble says so, then it very likely is ;) | 12:02 |
| Riddell | mm, no, just inside the US border | 12:03 |
| Riddell | ah, there's the real Edinburgh | 12:03 |
| Riddell | well, marble works lovely as usual | 12:03 |
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| Tm_T | tackat: I'll kick off that 0.3.1 | 12:03 |
| tackat | the "real" ;) | 12:03 |
| Jucato | one has an 'h', the other doesn't. so the one without an 'h' isn't the real Edinburgh :) | 12:04 |
| Jucato | let's see if wikipedia picks it up :) | 12:04 |
| tackat | right :) | 12:04 |
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| waylandbill | now I gotta find edinburgh myself since you all got me curious. :-) | 12:05 |
| tackat | Jucato: Well "Edinburgh" obviously has a Wikipedia article :) | 12:05 |
| waylandbill | there's a few edinburg and edinburghs listed on wikipedia | 12:06 |
| tackat | well the Wikipedia-autoname resolving doesn't really work to well yet. That will be improved for Marble 0.4 | 12:07 |
| Tm_T | Jerusalemi is in Eastern Finland | 12:07 |
| Riddell | tackat: images don't seem to work in the wikipaedia tab | 12:09 |
| tackat | Riddell: that's correct | 12:09 |
| tackat | Riddell: That's still on the todo | 12:09 |
| Riddell | "Download from Wikipaedia finished..." don't put an elipsis when there's nothing else going to happen | 12:09 |
| tackat | ok | 12:09 |
| Tm_T | I wonder where all lakes from Finland disappeared :) | 12:11 |
| tackat | Riddell: I need to implement a downloadmanager class for the wikipedia images as well as the World-Wind-image-tiles | 12:11 |
| Riddell | or just depend on KDE :) | 12:11 |
| tackat | That will take a few days to do properly. | 12:12 |
| tackat | hehe | 12:12 |
| Riddell | or wait for the qt webkit class I guess | 12:12 |
| tackat | yeah that would be one of the very few cases where KDE would be handy for backend | 12:13 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: who is reviewing the NEW queue now ? | 12:14 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: nobody | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: klavier (graphical keyboard) never reached the repos, still locked in queue, even if I uploaded it before the freeze | 12:14 |
| Tm_T | tackat: from where this takes that atlas map? | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: who to ping then ? cjwatson ? mdz ? | 12:14 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it was brought up at the last team meeting and there were some volunteers to take it on but I don't think there's been any progress on it | 12:15 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: pitti | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | klavier is important or the usability part, we should try to push a bit to get it in | 12:15 |
| Riddell | accessibility | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | that's what I meant yes ;) | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will ping him today, thanks | 12:15 |
| tackat | Tm_T: It says while initializing the map (basically "Nasa" / public domain) | 12:17 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: mithrandir works | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yes but mithrandir is probably very busy with the beta coming out :) | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: quite likely. doesnt take long to accept something though | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: well if pitti doesn't do it I'll ping him then | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | right | 12:19 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: heno suggest getting klavier on the cd, as it is only 60k | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: isn't that too late according to you ? | 12:41 |
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| heno | but as you say, it's looking late for main | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | heno: probably, but as that's not a "dangerous" change, and very simple and important app for accessebility, we can (in my opinion) make an exception for this :) | 12:42 |
| heno | I don't think we need to push it into feisty | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: can you upload things? | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: sure, but I'll wait for the end of the freeze :) | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: can you upload http://librarian.launchpad.net/6901713/kdelibsjump.debdiff, and it can sit in unapproved until the beta freeze ends? | 12:42 |
| heno | Tonio_: sounds sensible | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: sure I can, but I'll do a mass packages upload once the freeze ends ;) let's wait and do that at the same moment | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: as long as that gets done. | 12:43 |
| heno | OTOH, I could contact the author and say, we really want to include this for feisty+1; here are some changers that would be cool ... | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: what are you uploading? | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | kdelibs, bluez-utils, kdepim, pommed | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | how much of kdepim are you doing? | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: if you're going to do that, please make sure you pick up all the bugs assigned to me | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: nzb mimetype install issue | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'll merge the changes with yours | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i havent writtne changes yet, just assigned the bugs that we need to fix before release to me | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: okay, concerning nzb, there is no bug for this, just something we changed and that needs fixing to work | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: that's fine. | 12:47 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I'd be hesitant but not entirely against it | 12:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: k-d-s profiles would need changing for the corret profile to load it | 12:49 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: what wrong with them ? | 12:50 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: well it won't load up klavier | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah okay ;) | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | you'd like to get it load on boot ? | 12:51 |
| Riddell | motor-difficulties-pointing-devices should have it started by default (if it gets into main and on CD) | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay I'll look at how to do this.... | 12:52 |
| heno | It's still quite rough IMO | 12:52 |
| heno | it could do with 6 months of polish and helpful suggestions | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | heno: I agree the base is nice but the software really needs improvements | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: why not discussing this as a spec for feisty+1, and plan for kubuntu default inclusion then ? | 12:53 |
| heno | So my suggestion would be universe for feisty, default install for feisty+1 | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: improving it is important I think | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | heno: makes sense | 12:54 |
| heno | ideally we could get some collaboration with the onboard work | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning motor-difficulties-pointing-devices, that requires the package to be previously installed no ? | 12:55 |
| heno | share layout profiles or something | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: won't that end up with errors if the software isn't installed ? | 12:55 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: well yes, hense why I said "(if it gets into main and on CD)" | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: oops :) | 12:55 |
| Riddell | man I look sleepy http://www.kubuntu-de.org/nachrichten/software/kde/kde4-und-kubuntu | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay so what about taking this as a little spec next uds and plan everything for feisty+1 ? | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | anyone here tested the new krusader? | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | that's reasonable for me | 12:56 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: indeed, looks like you need to take a break hehe :) | 12:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sounds good | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how many years without vacations ? | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | I mean longuer than a WE | 12:57 |
| Riddell | I went to Croatia last November | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | ho! nice :) | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | I'll be there next week | 12:58 |
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| Tonio_ | I have to find a job, really....... | 01:10 |
| Tonio_ | now I'm stick at home, I don't shave anymore, don't have my air cut, I've gone fat :'( | 01:10 |
| tackat | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=55105 | 01:10 |
| tackat | Put Marble up on kde-apps.org now | 01:11 |
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| Tonio_ | transformed to a king of bear..... | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:11 |
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| Hobbsee | Tonio_: just give me some of your weight, and i'll be happy :P | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: weight grown from 77kgs to 88 in 3 month :'( | 01:11 |
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| Jucato | kgs?!?! | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | ouch! | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | yep, about 22 pounds more | 01:12 |
| Jucato | eek that is... um... well at least you're probably still in shape :) | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | girlfriend complaining a bit ;) | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 01:12 |
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| Jucato | good morning claydoh :) | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: let's say I can still hide it, but I have to change that soon | 01:13 |
| Jucato | well, round *is* a shape anyway :) | 01:13 |
| claydoh | router resetting :( | 01:13 |
| Jucato | (heh blog quote :P) | 01:13 |
| claydoh | fixed tho | 01:13 |
| Jucato | claydoh: so what OS are you? :P | 01:13 |
| claydoh | all of them | 01:13 |
| Jucato | heh.. bbspot said I was a Palm O.o | 01:14 |
| claydoh | BeOS of course, but thata wasn't an option | 01:14 |
| claydoh | really it was OS/2 but I was trying to influence the outcome lol | 01:14 |
| Jucato | :P | 01:14 |
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| Jucato | hahah | 01:15 |
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| waylandbill | I don't think I've heard os/2 mentioned in the better part of a decade. until now. | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: hehe, could be fun | 01:15 |
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| Tonio_ | Jucato: why ? | 01:17 |
| Tonio_ | hard to guess how a grandmother can prevent from working.... ;) | 01:17 |
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| Jucato | my current "job" is to watch over the house and her, and make sure she doesn't burn the house down, or hurt herself | 01:17 |
| Jucato | I get a steady allowance of US$ 2 a week! yay! | 01:18 |
| Tonio_ | :( | 01:18 |
| Tonio_ | alzheimer ? as my grandfather ? | 01:19 |
| Tm_T | woohoo, looks like we manage to get real release party this time here :) | 01:19 |
| Jucato | nah. not alzheimer's... | 01:19 |
| Jucato | she's just stubborn :) | 01:19 |
| Tonio_ | heh | 01:19 |
| Jucato | she thinks she should and could do stuff she did hm... say, 20-30 years ago? | 01:19 |
| Jucato | well, I have an internet connection, my own PC, and lots of time to study C++, and a laptop soon... so can't really complain :) | 01:20 |
| Tonio_ | ho as my grandmother then :) | 01:20 |
| waylandbill | Jucato: what else would anyone need? ;-) | 01:29 |
| Jucato | hm.... the ability to go out of the village/town more than once every 2-3 months? | 01:29 |
| waylandbill | yeah. I could see that as important. :) | 01:31 |
| Jucato | ;) | 01:31 |
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| lucas_ | Hi | 02:13 |
| lucas_ | Need help with a sound problem, anyone can help ? | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | lucas_: --> #ubuntu+1 | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | lucas_: you're looking for crimsun, but he's at work | 02:14 |
| lucas_ | ok even for a kubuntu problems ? The probleme appears when i install mp3 with amarok | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | what is it? | 02:15 |
| lucas_ | After a fresh install, I start to listen mp3, Amarok installs me the correct extracodec but after that no sound come out | 02:16 |
| lucas_ | I use kaffeine for playing divx and no sound come out | 02:17 |
| lucas_ | But the bell in the termial works | 02:17 |
| Riddell | do oggs work? | 02:19 |
| lucas_ | Hmmm good question, I test it | 02:20 |
| lucas_ | Ogg doesn't work and it's the same for audio in flash vieos | 02:24 |
| lucas_ | Hobbsee: | 02:24 |
| lucas_ | It s seems to be a problem with alsa | 02:24 |
| lucas_ | but I can't figure out how to fix it | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 02:24 |
| lucas_ | But I can stille listen the bell, when I search a wrong term in a page with firefox | 02:25 |
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| lucas_ | I experience this problem from the herd 4 | 02:26 |
| lucas_ | since | 02:26 |
| lucas_ | the herd 4 | 02:26 |
| Riddell | that's probably the system bell then | 02:28 |
| Riddell | you need someone who knows about alsa (like crimsun) | 02:28 |
| lucas_ | ok, I will see with him, and mayybe I will fill a bug report | 02:29 |
| lucas_ | Thank you for your help | 02:31 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 02:44 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian! | 02:44 |
| waylandbill | hello bddebian | 02:44 |
| bddebian | Hi Jucato, waylandbill | 02:46 |
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| rouzic | Hi all | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 03:46 |
| rouzic | Hobsee: I have a problem with a kernel 2.6.20-12 (Feisty) in a MacBook | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | known | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | and tab completion is your friend | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | rouzic: may already be fixed - at least on most machines it has | 03:52 |
| rouzic | the last kernel allows to use the Trackpad as touchpad, but due to the sensibility, it is impossible to use the trackpad | 03:53 |
| Riddell | ksynaptics might help | 03:53 |
| rouzic | Hi Riddell | 03:53 |
| rouzic | I have tried to install Ksynaptics, but me there appears a warning that I have to add a line in/etc/X11/xorg.conf ... I add this line but he(she) is still giving me the warning | 03:54 |
| rouzic | Thanks Hobbsee, Riddell, I have found the bug in launchpad, where it(he,she) is to unload the xorg.conf that solves it:) | 03:57 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: did you get my link for an updated docs package? | 04:08 |
| freeflying | okular is really cool | 04:08 |
| freeflying | I've used it under osx :) | 04:08 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: yes thanks, although maybe you should paste it again so I don't forget | 04:18 |
| nixternal | http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kubuntu-docs.debdiff | 04:18 |
| nixternal | :) | 04:18 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: The requested URL /tmp/kubuntu-docs.debdiff was not found on this server. | 04:31 |
| nixternal | heh | 04:31 |
| nixternal | Riddell: hahaha, that is because I attached it to the bug report :) | 04:32 |
| nixternal | Riddell: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6900329/kubuntu-docs.debdiff | 04:33 |
| nixternal | there you go | 04:33 |
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| cyt | !feisty+1 | 04:48 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about feisty+1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 04:48 |
| Jucato | feisty isn't even released yet :) | 04:48 |
| giangy | ops | 04:49 |
| giangy | sorry :) | 04:49 |
| cyt | I have no idea what feisty+1 means, so try to ask ubotu :P | 04:49 |
| Jucato | feisty+1 refers to the release that will come after feisty | 04:50 |
| cyt | Jucato: Thx :) | 04:51 |
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| === Riddell spots http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/feisty/beta/ and gets excited | ||
| Jucato | :) | 05:13 |
| === nixternal does the happy dance!! \o/ Kubuntu!!! | ||
| Riddell | actually the more exciting ones are at http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/ | 05:19 |
| fdoving | will you add an kubuntu.org article? | 05:23 |
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| Riddell | Subject: Accepted kuickshow 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 (source) | 05:33 |
| Riddell | that'll keep the proletariat happy | 05:33 |
| firephoto | heh | 05:35 |
| fdoving | yay, kuickshow :) | 05:43 |
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| jetsaredim | has anyone run into an issue with kubuntu edgy and the gtk2-engines-qt package? | 05:46 |
| jetsaredim | I'm trying to do some glade stuff, but when I have any gtk app open all of the background rendering turns to black | 05:46 |
| jetsaredim | thus I cannot see anything | 05:46 |
| jetsaredim | just trying to figure out what the problem is | 05:48 |
| Riddell | jetsaredim: hmm | 05:53 |
| Riddell | jetsaredim: that problem should have been fixed long before edgy was released | 05:53 |
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| Riddell | jetsaredim: doing rm ~/.gtk* will fix it | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | jetsaredim: known issue, fixed in feisty | 05:54 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: really? I never saw it | 05:54 |
| Riddell | except at the start of the cycle | 05:54 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: by the way gtk-qt theme stuff doing work on the live CD | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ho the background issue, yes, that's pretty old | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | I think we fixed this one with dapper | 05:54 |
| Riddell | ** beta out http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-beta.php | 05:55 |
| === apokryphos fires up the beta now 8) | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: woohoo ! | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: downloading for macintel test | 05:56 |
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| Riddell | hunger: http://dot.kde.org/1174669960/ | 06:14 |
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| hunger | Riddell: Oh, thanks! | 06:15 |
| Riddell | thanks for reporting back (many such events don't) | 06:16 |
| Riddell | ooh, Tonio_ fixed jumping khtml | 06:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just pushed the patch hobbsee sent me | 06:19 |
| hunger | Riddell: Well, it does not really contain that much info anyway:-) | 06:19 |
| apokryphos | blog posts have some decent info though | 06:20 |
| hunger | apokryphos: Damn:-) We decided to keep things secret:-) | 06:20 |
| === hunger likes Stanislav's blog entry. | ||
| apokryphos | I'm really glad about the skype participation, though I don't entirely understand the nature of it. More reading needed, perhaps | 06:22 |
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| hunger | apokryphos: Stanislav wanted to find out whether he can integrate skype into kde/decibel/telepathy and where it will fit best. Mostly information gathering. | 06:23 |
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| hunger | He did provide some nice insights though. | 06:23 |
| hunger | We will see what will come of it in time:-) | 06:23 |
| apokryphos | so skype actually think about us linux users? ;) | 06:23 |
| apokryphos | yeah | 06:23 |
| hunger | apokryphos: Yeap, they do... or at least Stanislav as the linux dude does;-) | 06:24 |
| apokryphos | I got the vague impression that they completely forgot about us after the ebay takeover | 06:24 |
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| apokryphos | since the Linux version was left so far behind | 06:24 |
| hunger | apokryphos: Stanislav demoed a new version of the thing. | 06:26 |
| hunger | apokryphos: on his linux laptop;-) | 06:26 |
| apokryphos | hunger: anything exciting in it? | 06:27 |
| hunger | apokryphos: Dunno. Never used skype before, so I can not really tell what is new. | 06:27 |
| hunger | apokryphos: Still had some bugs, but looked pretty nice overall. | 06:28 |
| apokryphos | webcam support? That's the biggest missing feature of the Linux version | 06:28 |
| apokryphos | I guess there's also no plans for them to go open source with the client :P | 06:29 |
| hunger | Dunno about webcam, but a definite no about open sourceing the client:-) | 06:29 |
| apokryphos | =) | 06:29 |
| apokryphos | so I've played a bit with feisty now; lotta nice things :) | 06:35 |
| apokryphos | all the artwork is again beautiful and the windeco is less dramatic so it's nice. Definitely a good idea to start, by default, with the small shortcuts on the panel (amarok, etc); everyone should do that, though I wonder if lock/logout aren't useful at the bottom-right | 06:36 |
| apokryphos | slightly ;-) disappointed to see kickoff not adopted since I think it's a huge step forward, but the new 'blow-out' k-menu effect is nice | 06:36 |
| apokryphos | gui package management always has me thinking, but I'm beginning to think that it really is the best way to split the easy/power user method. Users care about applications/new-functionality, not every little package. | 06:37 |
| apokryphos | this rant/review was sponsored by apokryphos Ltd. ;-) | 06:38 |
| Riddell | kickoff is not really possible to package alas | 06:40 |
| apokryphos | how come? | 06:40 |
| Riddell | great big fork of kdebase (I don't want to merge it with each release), and depends on beagle (==mono) | 06:41 |
| Tm_T | yes, even svn branch has whole kdebase | 06:41 |
| Tm_T | so it's not really kicker replacement but kdebase replacement | 06:42 |
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| jetsaredim | ok - I think I figured it out | 06:42 |
| Riddell | jetsaredim: ooh? | 06:42 |
| jetsaredim | I removed my .gtk* settings | 06:42 |
| jetsaredim | and re-started gaim for example | 06:42 |
| jetsaredim | actually - closed any open apps that weren't kde-based to make sure | 06:43 |
| jetsaredim | then everything looked fine | 06:43 |
| jetsaredim | then I went into the appearance settings | 06:43 |
| apokryphos | I see. Is beagle really not implemented as a 'possible search backend'? (deep roots?) | 06:43 |
| jetsaredim | and changed from "use my kde style in gtk apps" to use another style: qt | 06:43 |
| apokryphos | where is Beineri when you need him; offline again :P | 06:43 |
| jetsaredim | now - its broken again | 06:43 |
| Tm_T | apokryphos: hmm, need fiddling to be able to compile it without beagle (that means cheating) | 06:44 |
| jetsaredim | I'm using the baghira theme | 06:44 |
| Tm_T | apokryphos: so it's I think quite deep in it | 06:44 |
| jetsaredim | maybe that has something to do with it | 06:44 |
| apokryphos | Tm_T: any idea on what happened to feisty using a search engine (tenor or beagle)? Have they gone with tenor? | 06:46 |
| Riddell | jetsaredim: aah, that could be it | 06:47 |
| Tm_T | apokryphos: search engine in where? | 06:47 |
| Tm_T | Gnome? | 06:47 |
| apokryphos | I presumed it'd be in both | 06:48 |
| Tm_T | hmm, let me see one thing... | 06:48 |
| jetsaredim | Riddell: how would I actually be able to figure that out? | 06:48 |
| Tm_T | /# apt-cache search tenor | 06:48 |
| Tm_T | /# | 06:48 |
| Tm_T | so my feisty install doesn't know tenor at all ;) | 06:49 |
| Tm_T | btw I have ubuntu xubuntu edubuntu and kubuntu-desktop installed | 06:49 |
| Riddell | jetsaredim: change to platik and see if you get the same problem I would imagine | 06:49 |
| Tm_T | apokryphos: did this answer to your question? | 06:51 |
| jetsaredim | brb | 06:51 |
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| jetsaredim | yea plastik works fine | 06:51 |
| jetsaredim | that just sux - cause the guy who wrote baghira isn't updating it anymore | 06:52 |
| jetsaredim | i think he's working on kde4 | 06:52 |
| Riddell | jetsaredim: it might be fixed in gtk-qt engine in fesity as Tonio_ said | 06:52 |
| jetsaredim | or something like that | 06:52 |
| Riddell | or you could just not use gtk-qt engine :) | 06:52 |
| jetsaredim | heh true | 06:52 |
| jetsaredim | ok - its almost time to upgrade to feisty | 06:53 |
| jetsaredim | is there a way to tell if there are some packages in edgy that you use that are not in feisty? | 06:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it IS fixed ;) We spent time with ogra to test everything and there is no more "gnome settings" vs "gtk-qt" conflict | 06:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: mm, do you know why it doesn't work on the live CD | 06:57 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: no I'll have to have a look | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: lemme look at how the config works in details | 06:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: got a live cd session launched somewhere ? | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | can you check if ~/.kde/env/gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh exists ? | 06:59 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I just made a new user, doesn't work their either | 07:00 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes it does | 07:00 |
| Tonio_ | hum........ | 07:01 |
| Tonio_ | got ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde too ? | 07:01 |
| === Tonio_ tests with a new user | ||
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| Riddell | Tonio_: spooky, I logged in as new user again and this time it work | 07:02 |
| Riddell | works | 07:02 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: maybe it doesn't run the env script the first login (does it get copied too late?) | 07:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: possible, but that used to work.... | 07:03 |
| Tonio_ | okay that's the plan for today, fix this ! | 07:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can confirm it doesn't work for a new user | 07:04 |
| Tonio_ | wonder what happens at the second login..... | 07:04 |
| Tonio_ | testing | 07:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: works at second boot | 07:05 |
| Tonio_ | files are probably copied too late | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | kde env folder is probably read and execute before startkde launches.... | 07:06 |
| Riddell | tried again with new user, variable is set fine, but theme doesn't work | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | ah ? I just logout and login and that worked for me | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: tested locally or on livecd ? | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | hum just tested twice, and same result, fails at first login, works at second | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | someone else to test please ? | 07:07 |
| Riddell | that's the same as me, doesn't need someone else to test :) | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe ;) | 07:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: which gnome app did you use to test ? | 07:10 |
| Tonio_ | I'll just create a new user, login, test with the same, logout and login again | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: need to be sure as I'm conviced that works ;) | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I tested with firefox | 07:11 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I used gimp | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | okay lets install gimp | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll test on my primary session to be sure to fit with normal user conditions | 07:12 |
| apokryphos | Tm_T: yes :P | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | okay gimp installed, created user toto, let's go | 07:12 |
| Tm_T | apokryphos: ah, good :) | 07:14 |
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| Tonio_ | dear mr Riddell, I confirm MY option ;) | 07:16 |
| Tonio_ | works at second login, reproduced 3 times on several new accounts :) | 07:16 |
| Tonio_ | neutral person required to test please ^_^ | 07:17 |
| Riddell | you don't trust yourselfx3 or me? | 07:19 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, although I generally believe you, I also believe my computer and what it shows me hehe :) | 07:24 |
| Tonio_ | if that really works second time for everyone, I'd say there is no need to fix | 07:25 |
| Tonio_ | although fixing this would be quite complicated, if the problem is that env is read before startkde starts... | 07:25 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: but the environment variable seems to be fine | 07:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: another option : touching gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh to do the copy before loading the env variable | 07:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that should work for initial boot | 07:26 |
| === Tonio_ testing !! | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum if [ ! -e $HOME/env/gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh ] && [ -e /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh ] | 07:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: file script is copied probably after the env variable is read.... | 07:28 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: right, I see it | 07:29 |
| Riddell | GTK2_RC_FILES has another value on the first run | 07:30 |
| Riddell | and only on second run has the set value | 07:30 |
| Riddell | so just set GTK2_RC_FILES directly in startkde when it copies that file | 07:30 |
| Tonio_ | right fixing this | 07:31 |
| Riddell | thanks Tonio_ | 07:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: now, explain me how it failed for you at second login ??? ^_^ | 07:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it didn't | 07:36 |
| Riddell | it works at second login | 07:36 |
| Tonio_ | okay so we both agreed from the begining ? :) | 07:36 |
| Riddell | yes | 07:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the fix doesn't work..... I just touches startkde and that doesn't help.... | 07:42 |
| Tonio_ | s/touches/touched | 07:42 |
| Tonio_ | weird | 07:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what's your fix? | 07:43 |
| Tonio_ | http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/75 | 07:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: trying to export while copying the gtkrc file | 07:44 |
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| Tonio_ | doesn't work either......... weird......... | 07:46 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: paste? | 07:47 |
| Tonio_ | http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/76 | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's the second attempt | 07:48 |
| Riddell | it's in the wrong place, it should be below line 7 | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: tested too, neither work | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like setting an env variable in startkde doesn't work outside of kde.... that's the problem | 07:59 |
| Tonio_ | outside of startkde, sorry | 08:00 |
| Riddell | yes, strange | 08:00 |
| Riddell | I wonder where that GTK2.. variable is being set anyway | 08:01 |
| Tonio_ | yep, I wonder too | 08:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning startkde env, I don't consider that strange.... | 08:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's a script, so any env defined ends with the script, which makes sense | 08:03 |
| === Tonio_ trying to think to a workarround.... | ||
| Tonio_ | I wonder if there is a dcop call or something that would let kde re-read the env folder..... could be a solution | 08:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm lost, asking on kde.... | 08:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: found the fix :) | 08:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I simply looked where in startkde is ~/.kde/env read, and put the gtk part just before | 08:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: works | 08:17 |
| Tonio_ | no need to export doing like that | 08:17 |
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| Riddell | groovy | 08:21 |
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| PF-Away | can i whine for 2 seconds? | 08:22 |
| Tonio_ | PF-Away: sure | 08:23 |
| PF-Away | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/91399 | 08:23 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 91399 in console-setup "fail to install with subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 3" [Medium,Confirmed] | 08:23 |
| PF-Away | that bug is really bothering me | 08:23 |
| PF-Away | i will be glad to help out tracking it down, but i no idea where to start | 08:23 |
| PF-Away | or rather continue | 08:23 |
| Tonio_ | lemme look.... | 08:24 |
| PF-Away | thanks | 08:25 |
| Tonio_ | hum, pure packaging issue, should be quite easy to fix.... | 08:25 |
| Tonio_ | PF-Away: I'm uploading a fix for kdebase and then look at this one | 08:25 |
| PF-Away | thanks a lot | 08:25 |
| Tonio_ | PF-Away: no promiss to fix it, but I'll try :) | 08:26 |
| PhinnFort | ok;) | 08:26 |
| PhinnFort | i would've loved to help fix it, but i'm not too terribly familiar with the debian/ubuntu way of doing things yet | 08:27 |
| Tonio_ | PhinnFort: probably a simple postinst script issue... | 08:28 |
| Tonio_ | we'll see that in a few minutes | 08:28 |
| PhinnFort | i've dissected the postinst script, and it runs fine when i try to run it manually, and noone in #bash (which i figured would be the most competent channel for shell scripts) noticed any major bugs | 08:29 |
| Tonio_ | ouch, debian already has 1.15, we're still with 1.13 | 08:29 |
| PhinnFort | they suggested that one of the other scripts the postinst script called could be the source | 08:29 |
| PhinnFort | but those ran fine too | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | yup that's possible | 08:30 |
| sebas | Does someone have any idea where I can find guidance branch for 0.8 in kdesvn? :D | 08:30 |
| sebas | http://websvn.kde.org/branches/guidance/ | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | I'm concerned in the outdated thing | 08:30 |
| sebas | _Sime_: Maybe? | 08:30 |
| sebas | Or is .8 not branched off yet? | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | PhinnFort: here is the deal, I package 1.15, and we test this one | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | PhinnFort: are you okay ? | 08:30 |
| PhinnFort | yes, thank you;) | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | maybe an issue since we have the latest debconf or something........ | 08:31 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: would fixing 94615 be done in k-d-s? | 08:31 |
| PhinnFort | debconf is what runs the postinst scripts? | 08:31 |
| Riddell | bug 94615 | 08:32 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 94615 in kdebase "Firefox launched from alt-f2 doesn't apply all gtk2-qt-engine settings" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94615 | 08:32 |
| Riddell | PhinnFort: yes (unless they're crappy ones) | 08:33 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: might be, might also be gtk-qt-engine | 08:33 |
| Tonio_ | PhinnFort: bad news, just did an apt-get install --reinstall console-setup | 08:33 |
| ryanakca | kk | 08:33 |
| Tonio_ | no issue | 08:33 |
| Tonio_ | PhinnFort: is the issue during an ubuntu version change ? | 08:34 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: I just uploaded the fix | 08:34 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: oh, kk | 08:34 |
| PhinnFort | Tonio_: i upgraded to feisty recently, but i think the problem came some time after i upgraded | 08:34 |
| PhinnFort | but i can't be entirely sure | 08:35 |
| Tonio_ | PhinnFort: hum......... hard to fix if I can't reproduce your problem........ trying to purge the package | 08:35 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: fix released? | 08:35 |
| ryanakca | or commited? | 08:35 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: lemme test first if that works, and I'll close the bug | 08:35 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: commited | 08:35 |
| ryanakca | kk | 08:35 |
| Tonio_ | PhinnFort: I just purged the package and reinstalled, no issue....... | 08:36 |
| PhinnFort | this is weird | 08:36 |
| Tonio_ | PhinnFort: I think I may not be able to help as I can't reproduce.... | 08:36 |
| PhinnFort | ok, thanks for trying at least | 08:37 |
| Tonio_ | PhinnFort: hehe ;) | 08:37 |
| PhinnFort | i'll guess i have to track it down myself;) | 08:37 |
| Tonio_ | PhinnFort: just a second | 08:37 |
| PhinnFort | i'm pretty used to that from gentoo | 08:37 |
| PhinnFort | "fix yer own darn bugs" | 08:37 |
| Tonio_ | PhinnFort: cjwatson is the guy to contact concerning this | 08:37 |
| Tonio_ | in case he eventually missed the bug | 08:38 |
| fdoving | console-setup script issue? | 08:38 |
| PhinnFort | ok, but it will have to wait, as i have to work now | 08:38 |
| fdoving | i think i have that too. | 08:38 |
| fdoving | i'll have a look. | 08:38 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: ah ? | 08:38 |
| fdoving | PhinnFort: tried 'sudo sh -ex /var/lib/dpkg/console-setup.postinst' ? | 08:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: OOOOOOOOOOH ! logout and autoswtich to previous kde session now works ! | 08:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you change that or is that due to usplash improvements ? | 08:40 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: confirmed fixed with my patch | 08:41 |
| PF-Away | ok, i have another "bug", or whatever | 08:45 |
| PF-Away | it doesn't look like dpkg recognises the signatures on any of my packages anymore | 08:45 |
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| yacoob | Hi folks. Is it possible to see what was the fix commited for a specific bug? | 08:47 |
| PF-Away | fdoving, Tonio_, i solved | 08:47 |
| PF-Away | i just purged it, and then installed it again | 08:47 |
| Tonio_ | PF-Away: means that previous version of thepackage was crappy... | 08:48 |
| fdoving | works for me too. | 08:49 |
| Tonio_ | PF-Away: and latest is fixed.... you can give the fix the the other guys and close the bug then | 08:49 |
| PF-Away | ok | 08:49 |
| yacoob | ...anyone? :) | 08:49 |
| PF-Away | heh, where do i close it? | 08:49 |
| fdoving | yacoob: you'll probably need to try to figure that out from the changelogs. | 08:50 |
| yacoob | right, let's try that... | 08:50 |
| PF-Away | /how do i close it? | 08:50 |
| Tonio_ | PF-Away: change the bug status to fix-released | 08:50 |
| Tonio_ | and give the purge info as a comment | 08:51 |
| PF-Away | either i can't find where to change status, or i don't have permissions | 08:51 |
| fdoving | what bug? | 08:51 |
| PF-Away | Bug #91399: | 08:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 91399 in console-setup "fail to install with subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 3" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91399 | 08:51 |
| PF-Away | ah, found it | 08:52 |
| Tonio_ | PF-Away: done, sorry ;) | 08:52 |
| PF-Away | ah, np;) | 08:53 |
| PF-Away | now i learned to close bugs, at least;) | 08:53 |
| yacoob | fdoving, sadly, I cannot work out the version number of new package. Is it there such thing contained in the launchpad? | 08:55 |
| yacoob | (allright, new correspondence just arrived, explaining stuff, but not every developer has to be that helpful :) | 08:56 |
| fdoving | yacoob: there is a changelog feature in launchpad. | 08:56 |
| yacoob | it's bug 94615, and I don't seem to see it there... :) | 08:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 94615 in kdebase "Firefox launched from alt-f2 doesn't apply all gtk2-qt-engine settings" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94615 | 08:58 |
| fdoving | yacoob: on the left side, find 'Latest version' click on the version number | 08:59 |
| === nixternal hi-fives #kubuntu-devel for yet another kick arse release! | ||
| yacoob | fdoving, uhuh, the only problem is, it still sees old version. But thanks :) | 09:01 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: that's beta release | 09:07 |
| Riddell | gosh, it's a Beineri | 09:07 |
| nixternal | hehe | 09:08 |
| === Beineri is executable | ||
| nixternal | haha, I made the KDE Commit-Digest | 09:08 |
| === Beineri hears funny things from ignorant people about Kickoff | ||
| === apokryphos chuckles | ||
| apokryphos | I was just about to start: so I spoke to Beineri ;-) | 09:11 |
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| apokryphos | Beagle is just a plugin for kickoff; there are other capabilities without it http://en.opensuse.org/Kickoff#Search (which I often skip over too) | 09:13 |
| apokryphos | and it's compatible with every single KDE version released | 09:13 |
| Beineri | you have all freedom to not like it but don't push forward wrong reasons to your users why you don't include it | 09:14 |
| apokryphos | Beineri: it wasn't to a lot of users, just me (since I was giving my review on beta, and asked) | 09:15 |
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| apokryphos | hm, dinner. Back in a few. | 09:28 |
| kwwii | hehe, first Bille in the oxygen channel and now Beineri in kubuntu-devel | 09:28 |
| kwwii | I would mention something about rats leaving a sinking ship, but I am too nice ;-) | 09:29 |
| Beineri | so no talk, just fud. bye | 09:30 |
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| Tm_T | :) | 09:30 |
| kwwii | lol | 09:31 |
| sebas | "Pissing of peeps in two lines only." | 09:31 |
| sebas | Neat, kwwii :-) | 09:31 |
| kwwii | man, I used to work with him...good to see he is still so uptight ;-) | 09:31 |
| Tm_T | :) | 09:31 |
| Tm_T | just can't stop smiling )( | 09:32 |
| sebas | I don't doubt you knew exactly what the reaction would be =) | 09:32 |
| kwwii | sebas: artists have a way of getting at developers, not sure what it is | 09:32 |
| Lure | kwwii: lol | 09:33 |
| sebas | kwwii: hehe, I know | 09:35 |
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| ryanakca | is there a TODO list? | 09:42 |
| apokryphos | argh, I didn't mean for people to get upset at all :( | 09:47 |
| Tm_T | apokryphos: people? | 09:47 |
| apokryphos | I really was genuinely thinking about it :/ | 09:48 |
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| apokryphos | Tm_T: those points are true enough though, right? | 09:59 |
| Lure | apokryphos: what did you do wrong to upset them? | 10:02 |
| apokryphos | Lure: no idea; perhaps it's a sensitive subject, didn't know it was though... | 10:03 |
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| Tm_T | apokryphos: I assume that's his way to deal things, nothing you to blame here | 11:23 |
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| giangy | 'evening | 11:52 |
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| ryanakca | hey giangy, yuriy | 12:05 |
| yuriy | hey ryanakca | 12:11 |
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