=== fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === voidmage-away [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-087-94-109-100.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] heylo [12:37] hi zul [12:38] how is it gonig LaserJock [12:38] it's going [12:38] as usual [12:38] could be better [12:38] coolio.. [12:38] could be worse [12:38] I bet it could === Fujitsu looks at massively-duped audacity SIGSEGV. === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] Fujitsu: which bug is it? [12:52] geser: bug #89485 [12:52] Malone bug 89485 in audacity "Audacity always crashes when closing" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89485 [12:52] Seems to be a wxWidgets issue, and there's a similar one that occurs on some systems on startup. [12:55] Fujitsu: ha, only 15 dups, look at bug #81798 :) [12:55] Malone bug 81798 in democracyplayer "[apport] democracyplayer crashed with TypeError in __new__()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81798 [12:55] Aha, that one. === musb [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AE541.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] anyone have time to look over thepackaging at : http://revu.tauware.de/de ? [01:29] I know it's in main but I had to redo the packaging when I redid it and would appreciate help at looking the packaging over === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zig-away [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceaser [n=ceaser@cpe-71-72-73-178.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] where, oh where, did imbrandon go [02:07] oh where, oh where can he be === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] Heya gang === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11fapcf.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock pokes bddebian with a stick and runs === Hobbsee pokes LaserJock with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [02:20] heh [02:20] Yeah, yeah LaserJock I'm looking at the list master.. [02:23] Are we OK with just UVFe bugs for these RC bugs? === Gervystar [n=alessand@host166-63-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] Do we really need all that crap for UVFe sync requests? [02:35] bddebian: are the UVFe requests that much? === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] Yes, I'm lazy :-) [02:36] We need build logs now too? [02:38] I haven't seen people attach build logs lately, so I don't think it's really a requirement. [02:39] nope, it doesnt say it on there [02:40] It does on Processes/UVF wiki page [02:40] don't look there ;-) [02:40] not when i read it.. [02:40] Hobbsee: It does. [02:40] men [02:40] *meh [02:40] Hobbsee: It's in two places on that page [02:40] heh, right === Hobbsee has selective reading ability, then [02:40] Which is a little confusing in and of itself ;-) [02:41] bddebian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess [02:41] Processes/UVF redirects, I believe. [02:41] It does [02:42] you need to build it in pbuilder at least [02:42] so adding --logfile isn't *that* tough ;-) [02:42] Already done that but I didn't log it :-( [02:42] well don't you just suck ;-) [02:42] Yes :'-( === bddebian goes back to his hole [02:42] lol [02:43] I would've done it too [02:43] I don't often log my pbuilders [02:46] bddebian: what package are you working on? [02:46] uswsusp [02:46] starting from the botton [02:46] s/n/m/ [02:46] Hmm, this diffstat output doesn't look right [02:49] It's just diff -ruN foo-old.orig.tar.gz foo-new.orig.tar.gz | diffstat > foo.txt right? [02:51] bddebian: folders. not .tar.gz's [02:51] gah, POS, I thought you could do it right on the tarballs? [02:51] Obviously I haven't filed a UVFe in a while eh? :-) [02:52] :P [02:52] maybe, dont know. works on folders though [02:53] Holy crap, that's "better" [02:53] 38,224 insertions 36859 deletions [02:54] Oh, they changed the dirnames, how stupid [02:54] hah [02:55] Nice. [02:59] FUCK === predius [n=predius@predius.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:59] bddebian: Was? [02:59] It's a merge, not a sync :'-( === bddebian weeps === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] OK, wtf is libsplashy-dev? === bddebian is really confused now [03:14] what by? [03:15] I don't know how this built. It b-d on libsplashy-dev which we don't seem to have [03:15] was it removed? [03:15] Oh, though we do have libsplasy0-dev [03:15] Hmm [03:16] crimsun@Box:~$ apt-cache show libsplashy0-dev |grep ^Pro [03:16] Provides: libsplashy-dev [03:16] packages.u.c shows libsplashy0-dev binary [03:17] correct, 0.3.2 [03:18] yay, fixed more conexant issues. === crimsun test-builds [03:19] is dholbach the main telepathy contact, or is there someone else I can poke with a question? [03:23] tonyyarusso: https://launchpad.net/~telepathy [03:23] crimsun: ty [03:25] crimsun: So is libsplasy-dev an OK replacement for libusplash-dev ? [03:25] err... [03:26] my understanding is that neither is a drop-in replacement for the other, but I admit to not having investigated [03:26] (the danger of specialisation, yadda yadda) [03:26] fruck [03:27] crimsun: Well we added libusplash to the debian package now it uses libsplashy [03:27] ajmitch: ?? ^^ [03:28] which to which source package? [03:28] to which, rather [03:29] uswsusp [03:29] Gaah. Stupid sshfs-fuse FTBFS + lack of ddeb. [03:31] ah, I see in its changelog. === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] maybe ask mjg59 or mith after Beta's released [03:32] that decision's a bit more in-depth than a simple merge [03:32] kinda like genpower and sysv* IIRC [03:33] Bah, #ubuntu-desktop is one of those ghost town channels. [03:33] err, well, it is the wee hours of the morning in EU. [03:34] true [03:35] grr, no wonder I stopped trying to do anything :'-( === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] wow, some "GOD", pfft === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] tonyyarusso: sometimes [03:39] somebody want to make me happy and do a gimmie merge? [03:40] bddebian: at least you tried dude [03:40] Burgundavia: from Debian? [03:40] LaserJock: new upstream tarball [03:40] Need a UVFe :-( [03:41] I can do that [03:41] these releases are stablising/bug fixing ones [03:41] err, we have one for 0.2.5 [03:41] I remember approving it [03:41] !gimmie feisty [03:41] .6 is out today [03:41] gimmie: an elegant way to think about how you use your desktop computer. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.2.4.repack-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 198 kB, installed size 1116 kB === Hobbsee puts on a "dont give me email notification of all [apport] bugs, type filter" [03:43] Is there any point in even syncing sysv-rc-bootsplash? === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] sure [03:45] Hm.. I wonder if there's a method of displaying upstream status in a bug listing that LP could think about implementing... [03:52] Fujitsu: other than the bug tracker? [03:54] LaserJock: There's an option for searching for upstream status (ie. fixed upstream, needs to be forwarded, etc). I think it'd be good to display that in bug listings. [03:54] Burgundavia: I had been hoping to find out if this was possible yet with telepathy and all: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GaimCalendarAutoAways [03:55] tonyyarusso: that would require integrating evo calendar and telepathy [03:55] something upstream is probably going to do anyway [03:56] Burgundavia: It would be nice if it wasn't specific to Evo (since I use TB) [03:56] never going to happen, unless mozilla does it [03:56] Thunderbird... Calendar? [03:57] No way to make it a generic calendar file reader? [03:57] Fujitsu: yeah [03:57] mozilla crap stores their mail in a horrible horrible database [03:57] took the beagle guys three months to write a parser for mail [03:58] POS --logfile option [03:59] Burgundavia: Calendar stuff is just a .ics though === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:10] wow, blog spam [04:12] tonyyarusso: ics is how it comes in [04:12] Are we supposed to Assign or Subscribe motu-uvf? [04:12] not how it stores it [04:12] Burgundavia: oh [04:13] Burgundavia: how's evo store? [04:13] bddebian: assign [04:13] in evolution-data-server [04:13] with known paths for getting the data out [04:13] basically, mozilla people think and act like windows people [04:14] sigh [04:14] tonyyarusso: Thx [04:14] I like Mozilla stuff above the hood, but the more I look under the scarier it is [04:15] tonyyarusso: I can't even get evo to give my alarm notifications for calendar events on my exchange account [04:15] s/my/me [04:16] evo is pretty nasty as well [04:17] I like evo fairly well [04:17] I just need to figure out how to get it to not take up so much space [04:17] it borks on imap, but that is because imap sucks [04:17] it worked pretty well with my imap [04:17] but maybe I didn't use it enough [04:18] bddebian: libsplashy uses libusplash, or libusplash uses libsplashy? === musb [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] Hey MOTUs. [04:47] Heya TheMuso. [04:47] Hey TheMuso -s === RAOF is assuming MOTUs includes people just hanging around in -motu :) === ScottK did too. [04:48] and what about people who are just sneaking in from time to time? :) [04:48] I think we kill them. [04:48] With a sword. [04:48] ! [04:48] waaaaaaaah [04:49] Hi TheMuso [04:49] Just a single sword, for the entire channel. It's like a gestalt thing. [04:49] white is certainly welcome [04:49] LaserJock: thanks :) [04:49] :) === RAOF is yet to find the best sarcasm-calibration for IRC [04:49] RAOF: Join the club :-) [04:50] Around here I think doing things with something sharp and pointy is already taken... [04:52] Oops. There I went and killed the conversation again and it wasn't even by requesting a package review. [04:53] heh === ScottK is off to bed. Good night all. [04:54] Night ScottK. [04:54] Nigth ScottK [04:55] Gnight ScottK [04:56] RAOF: it's all good if you end it with a ;-) [04:56] ;-) === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] Is it possible to change the e-mail address on a gpg key, or do I need a new one? If the latter, can I transfer the signatures I have? [05:13] tonyyarusso: You can have multiple name/email pairs on a key. [05:14] Fujitsu: Can I add them in seahorse or should I just use gpg on cli? [05:14] Seahorse will do it... Under the `Names and Signatures' tab of the properties of your key, AFAICR. [05:14] Fujitsu: found it [05:14] ty [05:16] Fujitsu: Why did my signatures just disappear? [05:16] Probably because Seahorse's ListView generation is still dodgy. [05:18] okay [05:18] It's very unlikely it has actually removed them. [05:20] gpg --list-keys still looks ok === ceaser [n=ceaser@cpe-71-72-73-178.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-76-202-197-80.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] what does our kernel contain out-of-the-box that makes it "non-free"? [05:48] There is firmware for some Intel wireless cards. [05:48] Probably a bit more. [05:48] orly === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-148-34.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:10] anyone have time to look at the packaging on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4733 ? === twanj_ [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:17] Oooh, taht's why you're not using CDBS' python rules. [06:17] um? [06:18] What do you mean? [06:18] Actually, is that package going to have the magic dh_pycentral calls? [06:18] I mean, your diff.gz suggests that you're not using CDBS' python class. [06:19] You manually call dh_pythoncentral in binary-install/beryl-settings, but that won't get called anywhere else, right? [06:19] um, I just realized something [06:19] afternoon [06:19] when I used beryl-settings/beryl-settings-simple packaging [06:19] ...wait damnit [06:19] I copied the wrong debian directory in there [06:19] ! [06:19] yay, work is finished for the week [06:19] Good thing I took a cursory look at that then, racarr :) [06:20] well, no but I seem to have the rules from beryl-settings oO [06:20] maybe I copied it intending to change it but forgot [06:20] Also, shouldn't pycompat be 2? [06:20] how does pycompat work? [06:21] AFAIK, there are two valid values, 1 & 2. [06:21] They change the behaviour of dh_python, from memory. [06:21] With pycompat = 2, you don't need to call dh_python at all, just dh_pythoncentral (or _support) [06:21] (And dh_python will complain if you call it) [06:22] RAOF: Ah, yeah that's what I want then [06:22] moins fellas [06:22] hello imbrandon [06:23] holy jeesh, it is mornin' already [06:23] wasabi imbrandon === RAOF is always reminded of the "Ibrandilon" dragon-like thing of D&D :) [06:23] nixternal: is it? [06:23] imbrandon!!!! [06:23] ya LaserJock, here in the real world it is [06:23] it is never am at the bunny ranch ;p [06:23] hah [06:24] beta ship yet?> [06:24] nope [06:24] delayed [06:24] LaserJock, !!!!1111eleventyone!!!! [06:24] 1 day [06:24] I hope the beta doesn't ship before atheros support is fixed [06:24] just like every other release [06:24] Heya imbrandon. [06:24] heya TheMuso [06:24] tritium: ahh, atheros is broke? I just argued that Atheros works out of the box...oops === tritium has a useless AR5212 in his T43p [06:25] the guy is like, dude, I am using Feisty and it doesn't work! [06:25] nixternal: it doesn't [06:25] ~/c [06:25] nixternal: I finally figured out why it take so long to get the garbage removed here [06:25] And the thing is, atheros worked fine on edgy [06:25] even dapper, for that matter [06:25] see, my new lappy uses the wonderful ndiswrapper, but my old one used an Atheros card that worked out of the box in Dapper I believe and Edgy, it died before Feisty [06:25] nixternal: the road to the county landfill goes right by a "ranch" [06:26] hehe [06:26] tritium: I have an atheros based PCMCIA card hre. Should I test it? [06:26] LaserJock: I live by the county landfill [06:26] here [06:26] TheMuso: if you could. Does it have AR5212 on it? [06:26] tritium: I can only tell you that once I have it set up I'm affraid. [06:26] tritium: how do you tell what kind it is? lspci? [06:26] TheMuso: :) [06:27] LaserJock: yes, lspci will tell you [06:27] LaserJock: you get edubuntu-docs all pretty'fied? [06:27] I've got: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 [06:27] and it works fine [06:27] kubuntu-docs is rock solid now that I fixed that stupid linking bug that nobody has ever figured out since the kubuntu-docs package was ever created [06:27] LaserJock: really? On a laptop or card? [06:27] nixternal: yeah, we need new pots [06:27] tritium: laptop === TheMuso boots up his rarely used notebook these days and fetches updates./ [06:27] just goes to show, nobody cares to read about the licensing and the contributors [06:27] LaserJock: you need me to create them? [06:28] LaserJock: that's very puzzling [06:28] xml2po -e -o output.pot $$doc/C/*.omf $$doc/C/*.xml [06:28] nixternal: well, I don't *have* to, but I don't remember the xml2pot line off the top of my head [06:28] haha, now you do :) [06:28] LaserJock: you're networked through ath0 right now? [06:28] tritium: sure [06:28] I will do it right now [06:28] tritium: worked out-of-the-box for me [06:29] LaserJock: on latest feisty kernel (2.6.20-12.20)? [06:29] 2.6.20-12-generic [06:29] it's .19 though [06:30] WHAT !!>! you dident update the instant it came out? shame on you [06:30] heh [06:30] Well, I don't know what's up then... [06:31] .19 horribly broke this thinkpad with ICH6 and sata drive [06:32] AR5212 [06:32] Works for you too, TheMuso? [06:32] tritium: hold on [06:32] ok don't appear to have lrm installed. [06:32] Give me a few minutes. [06:32] thanks === TheMuso needs to install new kernel first. :) === ajmitch should probably dist-upgrade the laptop === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:40] racarr: 3 more uploads to REVU? [06:40] 3? I know I uploaded once... [06:41] I don't recall 3 [06:41] err [06:41] 2 [06:41] pycompat and rules [06:42] tritium: Are you able to scan for APs? [06:42] from the CLI? [06:43] TheMuso: I can scan, yes, but I can't connect, or at least authenticate. [06:43] hm ok. [06:44] What are you able to do? [06:45] I am able to scan, but I currently don't have my wireless network set up with the device for wpa. [06:45] So can't fully test at this point. [06:45] give me a sec and I [06:45] Thanks for what you've tried. [06:45] give me a sec and I'll quickly switch to wep for the test [06:46] BenC just told me that the -13 upload will have a new atheros driver. Hopefully that will work. [06:46] When is that due? [06:47] I didn't ask. [06:47] yeah I can see that. === TheMuso peaks into -kernel [06:47] :) [06:49] Monday ;) [06:49] just saw that as well [06:52] how is everyone? :) [06:52] hi joejaxx [06:53] hello LaserJock === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:57] LaserJock: i am testing out the altdisc i just built :) [06:58] i had to rebuilt tasksel though [07:00] oh? why? === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-84-226.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] LaserJock: to include the fluxbuntu task [07:01] ah [07:01] I thought you could just drop it in? [07:01] I didn't think you needed to rebuild tasksel to get them in [07:02] drop in which? [07:03] the fluxbuntu task? [07:04] yea [07:05] joejaxx: you should be able to drop in a .desc in /usr/share/tasksel/ [07:05] that could be in a fluxbuntu-settings or whatever [07:06] i mean for the debian discs [07:07] like this [07:07] # Install the Ubuntu desktop. [07:07] tasksel tasksel/first multiselect fluxbuntu-desktop [07:07] hmm [07:08] imbrandon, hi === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.131.47] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:09] that is from the preseed file [07:09] in /preseed/ubuntu.seed on the altdisc is [07:09] hmm, so what does that read? [07:09] that reads the packages to be installed [07:10] after the core system [07:10] ubuntu uses task-fields [07:10] where it selects the packages based on the seed association [07:11] for example === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-18.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:11] apt-cache show gedit|grep Task [07:11] shows [07:11] Task: ubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-desktop [07:12] sure [07:12] so tasksel picks by that [07:12] i have to use the list method === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] where i list the individual packages in the fluxbuntu-desktop task [07:12] right [07:13] that is why i had to rebuild it [07:13] to include that file [07:13] but you have to put that in tasksel? [07:13] yeah === Hobbsee waves [07:14] I would have thought you could put the file in any package [07:14] hello Hobbsee :) [07:15] Hi Hobbsee, joejaxx === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-148-34.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] hello tritium [07:17] LaserJock: tasksel is installed as minimal right? [07:17] so when the d-i calls it [07:17] my fluxbuntu-default-settings package would not be installed yet === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:26] joejaxx: doh, right [07:27] you can tell how many alt discs I've built ;-) [07:27] :) [07:27] i am trying to keep package rebuild down to a minimum [07:28] :) [07:32] I know [07:32] I was just looking into tasksel a little for Edubuntu [07:33] go to sleep! [07:33] but obviously if the packages aren't installed yet there isn't much you can do === nixternal beds [07:33] sudo shutdown NOW!!! [07:33] nixternal: I'm doing data analysis for a gorup meeting tomorrow [07:33] have fun nerd! ;p [07:33] I've probably got a couple more hours in me [07:34] I need to wake up in a few hours and take my dog to get snipped [07:34] maybe after this, the pitbull will feel like the king again, and not the 9 pound runt [07:35] heh [07:35] LaserJock: thanks for rocking out the edubuntu-docs though! very much appreciated [07:35] vil, hello [07:35] heya hoora_ [07:35] err Hobbsee [07:35] damn tab [07:35] wth [07:35] heya imbrandon [07:36] nixternal: np, I'll probably try to get a package to ogra tomorrow [07:36] rock on, if you can't leave me a message and I will rock one out. I am doing absolutely nothing but Kubuntu and whatever you need type stuff [07:36] ugh , anyone have any idea about this ? [07:36] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11617/ [07:37] then I am off to KDE land for a while [07:37] i have libssl-dev installed [07:37] grrrr no installable kernel found [07:37] hey there [07:37] ello Lutin [07:38] heya imbrandon [07:38] nixternal: yeah, I figured you had enough with Kubuntu docs so I thought I'd just get edubuntu-docs ready to translate [07:38] hrm libssl-dev is what provides the openssl libs for that to link against right ? === imbrandon is stumped [07:41] LaserJock: installation failed :P "no installable kernel found" [07:43] 6/win 78 [07:43] bah [07:43] I've always wondered if that meant it found a kernel, it just couldn't install it [07:43] :-) [07:44] 6/win 78 < i always do that [07:44] LaserJock: :) [07:44] hmm [07:44] let me mount the image [07:44] is /win an irssi command? [07:44] yeah [07:44] yes [07:45]