[12:23] <tonyyarusso> Xubuntu should be okay on that - I'm about to install on similar
[12:24] <alvaro> how you configure the xubuntu? there are a "control panel" like the yast in suse?
[12:24] <vidd_laptop> alvaro, IMO suse with kde is too slow on a AMD 1.5GHz with 2 GB ram!
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> alvaro: Depends what you want to configure
[12:25] <vidd_laptop> what do you need to configure?
[12:25] <vidd_laptop> tonyyarusso, ill let you handle this one....
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> uh oh
[12:25] <alvaro> network configuration, the general aspect of desktop.. etc
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> vidd_laptop: Make you a deal - I'll take server aspects, you take desktop aspects
[12:26] <vidd_laptop> sure
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> alvaro: what type of networking?
[12:26] <vidd_laptop> there is a "desktop settings" menu option to configure your desktop
[12:26] <alvaro> simple.. DHCP, DNS, VPN, FTP..
[12:28] <neozen> meep
[12:28] <vidd_laptop> *wave* neozen
[12:28] <TheSheep> alvaro: most of these are pretty advanced things, you'll find all the config files in /etc
[12:29] <neozen> hoallo vidd
[12:29] <tonyyarusso> alvaro: for ftp server, I use vsftpd
[12:29] <neozen> I have a solution for you on your card
[12:29] <alvaro> i see..
[12:29] <neozen> ....involves ndiswrapper
[12:29] <vidd_laptop> neozen, your late....
[12:29] <alvaro> thanks for the information
[12:30] <neozen> but seems to be working really well for someone I set up today
[12:30] <neozen> vidd_laptop: lol
[12:30] <alvaro> i have a last question, qhat avout the Xfe?
[12:30] <vidd_laptop> neozen, i did a complete re-install with setting up the desktop during initial install...worked like a charm
[12:30] <neozen> vidd_laptop: lol
[12:30] <alvaro> I mean the ennviroment, like kde in suse
[12:30] <vidd_laptop> alvaro, what questions you have about the desktop?
[12:31] <alvaro> it's easy to use? learn?
[12:31] <neozen> alvaro: in my experience, xfce delivers everything I would use on a day to day basis in kde or gnome, and it does it in a tighter package that loads faster and uses less resources
[12:31] <vidd_laptop> InMyOpinion...its far easier to use/learn then KDE
[12:32] <neozen> alvaro: I picked up everything I needed to know in a month
[12:32] <neozen> alvaro: of off and on use
[12:32] <vidd_laptop> neozen, your a slow learner
[12:32] <neozen> alvaro: now.... I use it everyday..... have been for about 6months
[12:33] <neozen> vidd_laptop: I used it about that often that first month
[12:33] <vidd_laptop> lol
[12:33] <neozen> vidd_laptop: when I was getting everything into it
[12:33] <tonyyarusso> Wow, the Xubuntu default desktop in Feisty is sexy
[12:33] <alvaro> the idea its to migrate all my pcs with XP and suse to xubuntu
[12:35] <vidd_laptop> alvaro, you need any help with that, you let us know
[12:35] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[12:35] <vidd_laptop> heck...if you were close enough, id do it for ya on one or two ta start ya off!
[12:37] <alvaro> ok friend, now i'm going to sleep, see you soon and thanks for your helpful help
[12:37] <vidd_laptop> happy to GIVE the help
[12:39] <vidd_laptop> wb maxamillion
[12:39] <vidd_laptop> wb j1mc
[12:39] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: thanks
[12:39] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: had a keyboard die on me ....
[12:39] <j1mc> hi vidd_laptop
[12:39] <vidd_laptop> keyboards fail?
[12:39] <vidd_laptop> =\
[12:39] <j1mc> i am cleaning up my place prior to a friend coming over to go out to eat.
[12:40] <j1mc> i'm dl'ing a 386 live cd and amd64 live cd, though.  :)
[12:40] <j1mc> xubuntu ftw!
[12:40] <vidd_laptop> anyone recomend a tutorial for CLI to make a dvd iso from a movie dvd?
[12:41] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: yeah ... that was a first time for me
[12:41] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: but i'm at work and i type ALOT here
[12:41] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: it just stopped working .... no power, nothing
[12:41] <j1mc> vidd_laptop, no, sorry.  :(
[12:41] <vidd_laptop> j1mc, i think alt-cd's are better
[12:41] <j1mc> i know how to burn a cd from the CLI, though.  i thought that was pretty nifty the first time i did it.
[12:42] <j1mc> vidd_laptop, yeah, but we need to test the live ones.  i prefer the alt cd's, too.
[12:42] <maxamillion> j1mc: yeah, i've only done that once and it required a decent amout of documentation for me to pull it off
[12:42] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, the only time i ever saw keyboards fail is when morons shove the ps2 connecters in without lining them up and bending all the pins
[12:42] <maxamillion> lol
[12:43] <vidd_laptop> you'd be AMAZED by how often that happens in a call center!
[12:43] <j1mc> cdrecord -v dev=/dev/cdrom name_of_file.iso
[12:43] <vidd_laptop> glad i dont work there anymore
[12:43] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: yeah, this one was a usb ... it was nice too, low profile ... very comfortable and now its dead ... but i found a decent logitech in the supply closet that will suffice
[12:43] <rici> spilling coffee on them can also be fatal
[12:43] <maxamillion> j1mc: oh ... that's not bad
[12:44] <maxamillion> j1mc: i was using something else, it had a ncurses interface
[12:44] <vidd_laptop> rici, i've done that so many times...never killed one
[12:44] <j1mc> maxamillion, yeah, cli is the way to go for burning isos.  :)
[12:44] <rici> depends on your keyboard, and the amount of coffee
[12:44] <maxamillion> j1mc: i will keep that in mind
[12:44] <j1mc> just have to navigate to the folder where the iso is.  :)
[12:44] <j1mc> or else put in the complete path :)
[12:44] <vidd_laptop> j1mc, i need to MAKE the iso....
[12:44] <maxamillion> j1mc: meh ... cli navigation is just a <tab> clicks away
[12:45] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, yeah
[12:45] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: you can make iso images with dd i believe
[12:45] <vidd_laptop> but i like gnomebaker for burning
[12:45] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: yeah ... gnomebaker and graveman are tops on my list
[12:45] <j1mc> vidd_laptop, yes, i understand.  sorry i can't help with that.
[12:45] <vidd_laptop> but can you make dvd iso's with it?
[12:46] <j1mc> maybe mkiso?  something like that?
[12:46] <j1mc> !mkiso
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mkiso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <j1mc> !makeiso
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about makeiso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <vidd_laptop> !mkisofs
[12:46] <maxamillion> !mkisofs
[12:46] <ubotu> mkisofs: Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images. In component main, is optional. Version 4:2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 533 kB, installed size 1316 kB
[12:46] <maxamillion> lol
[12:46] <maxamillion> beat me too it
[12:46] <j1mc> :)
[12:47] <vidd_laptop> dont say anything about dvd iso's
[12:47] <j1mc> that's it.  (or that's what i would have guessed)
[12:47] <j1mc> yeah, i dunno . . .
[12:47] <maxamillion> i cheated though ... mk<tab><tab> to reference
[12:50] <rici> by the way, does anyone have a workaround for the problem with installing xxkb? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/76260
[12:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76260 in xorg "x11-common conflicts with xxkb, but xxkb depends on x11-common inderectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:50] <rici> i'd settle for an equivalent program
[12:54] <maxamillion> getting off work ... laters!
[01:12] <vidd_laptop> *wave* bur[n] er
[01:49] <vidd_laptop> any recommendations?
[02:02] <rmd> ?
[02:02] <rmd> any pdf viewer will be able to display .pdf files
[02:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Getting OOo to display them is the tricky part.
[02:03] <kalikiana> !evince
[02:03] <ubotu> evince: Document (postscript, pdf) viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.1-0ubuntu1.2 (edgy), package size 880 kB, installed size 4108 kB
[02:03] <rmd> how can i automate removing a file whenever i log off?
[02:08] <kalikiana> rmd, You could put it in the autostart to remove it on logon. That way you could do it in GUI ;)
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> anyone know a good howto to make a dvd iso?
[02:09] <vidd_laptop> i have a dvd movie i want to "back up"
[02:09] <rmd> vidd_laptop, dvd::rip
[02:09] <rmd> it's not an iso, its .vob files
[02:09] <rmd> and they're huge
[02:10] <rmd> unless you compress them down into a standard video file
[02:10] <kalikiana> vidd, be careful, that might conflict with freenode policies ;)
[02:11] <vidd_laptop> rmd...i want to make an iso....not a plain copy...i can do that with thunar
[02:12] <rmd> i was under the impression that .iso was a specific format for data cd images.  if you can do it with thunar, why the heck are you asking about how to do it?
[02:12] <rmd> okay
[02:12] <rmd> so its any disc image
[02:13] <vidd_laptop> right
[02:13] <rmd> you can do it in thunar, so why are you asking
[02:13] <vidd_laptop> does dvdrip make an iso image?
[02:13] <rmd> btw, the wikipedia article ISO_image lists all kinds of software for making iso images
[02:13] <vidd_laptop> thunar dont make iso's...it makes plain copies
[02:14] <rmd> vidd_laptop, go to wikipedia and search for ISO images
[02:15] <rmd> take for instance the mkisofs command :)
[02:16] <rmd> HAH
[02:17] <rmd> so
[02:17] <rmd> if you make an iso from a dvd
[02:18] <rmd> can you mount that iso just like watching a dvd?
[02:18] <kalikiana> rmd, actually you can loopmount
[02:19] <rmd> come again?
[02:19] <vidd_laptop> rmd yes....use  loopmount
[02:20] <rmd> please tell me more
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> ISO files can be mounted directly in Linux with the single command: mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso (assuming the directory /mnt/iso exists).
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> right from the page you told me to look up
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:21] <rmd> yeah
[02:22] <rmd> crap
[02:22] <rmd> well hot diggety
[02:22] <vidd_laptop> also usefull when qemu'ing
[02:22] <rmd> i bet that would be way easier than dvd::rip, actually
[02:22] <rmd> because i'm always having a problem getting the right audio tracks
[02:32] <vidd_laptop> hmmm.... it seems that .iso is NOT the file format i need to make a dvd clone image
[02:32] <vidd_laptop> but its HUGE!
[02:34] <rmd> what is?
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> dvd::rip
[02:34] <rmd> why is .iso not the file format you need
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> 15+ MG
[02:34] <rmd> oh
[02:34] <rmd> well, it comes with transcoder for various file formats, i think...
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_image
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> it wants me to install mplayer and rar[?] 
[02:37] <rmd> uh
[02:37] <rmd> i didnt do either
[02:38] <rmd> soo... why wouldnt you want to make an .iso?
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> .... ANOTHER 6 meg....
[02:38] <rmd> you're making this sound like 21megs is actually a lot of space
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> tried it....the dvd wont play
[02:39] <rmd> hrm
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> rmd .... i need space for the MOVIE!
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> that alone is 10 gig
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> min
[02:39] <rmd> which is exactly why 21 megs means nothing to the equation
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> unless you only have 15gig hard drive
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:40] <rmd> in which case, you're just being silly
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> xubuntu is for light-weight systems
[02:41] <rmd> xubuntu is *for* whomever wants an improvement in speed of performance over standard ubuntu desktop
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> AND for lightweight systems
[02:41] <rmd> i might suggest that desiring to store high quality movies on a 15g hdd is folly
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> i only want to store it for like half an hour
[02:42] <rmd> people running outdated systems are within the group of people that might desire an improvement in speed of performance over standard ubuntu desktop, yes
[02:43] <rmd> yeah sure
[02:43] <rmd> if you just want to test it, why don't you just download a linux live dvd and do that
[02:43] <rmd> ?
[02:43] <rmd> that would 1) fit on your hd 2) not let everyone know that you're planning on pirating
[02:44] <rmd> oh surely not
[02:44] <rmd> i'm terribly sorry for the implication
[02:45] <vidd_laptop> im running a test
[02:45] <kalikiana> Especially the quotes in this: < i want to "back up" >
[02:45] <rmd> kalikiana, no, see, its all just to test his new dvd burner.  'cause he can't test it any other way.  oh, and he installed a new dvd burner on a horridly outdated system... very likely.  very convincing.
[02:46] <rmd> god i'm such a dolt
[02:46] <rmd> i didnt even get it
[02:46] <kalikiana> i'd say, vidd, move to canada, I heard they are not so hard about pirates ;)
[02:46] <rmd> you claim to have installed a new dvd burner on a computer that is so old that it actually contains a 15g hd... so... god... how old
[02:47] <rmd> and you claim, or at leat imply, that, in your words, "backing up" a dvd is the only way to test it.
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> its not the ONLY way...just the way i want to do it
[02:48] <rmd> vidd_laptop, why don't you chose a sensible, easier, and conceivable way of just downloading burning software and writing an .iso of something legal and random?
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> my family get home movies put on dvd's...and rather then pay for 25 copies, id like to get one and make more
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> nothing illegal in that
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> i should think anyway
[02:51] <rmd> what's your family doing running around with a dvd recording camera and a computer with a 15g hd?
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> its not like im going to blockbuster's or anything
[02:51] <rmd> whatever
[02:51] <rmd> i'm tired
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> i dont have the dvd recorder...my sister does
[02:52] <rmd> vidd_laptop, its okay.  really.  i honestly dont care.  i just think you're silly.
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> anyway....its not important
[02:52] <rmd> the important thing
[02:52] <kalikiana> sounds really like an everyday example. especially that the whole family has only one dvd burner and one old pc with few space.
[02:53] <rmd> *shrug*  doesn't matter.  i'm supremely critical. at any rate, someone find me a way to copy a dvd to hard drive and watch from hardrive, without transcoding to avi or having to mess with that crap :)
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> i could have put the burner in the nice M$ machine with lots of HD space...but nty
[02:59] <vidd_laptop> rmd...if you like you could try the dd method to make an iso....
[02:59] <rmd> #ubuntu claims you can just mkisofs and then view it
[03:00] <vidd_laptop> dd if
[03:00] <rmd> actually
[03:00] <rmd> yeah
[03:00] <rmd> i liked dd
[03:00] <rmd> unless it uses css
[03:00] <rmd> then use mencoder
[03:01] <vidd_laptop> =/dev/[dvd]  of=[path to destination file] .iso bs=1024 [is that last part right?] 
[03:02] <vidd_laptop> rmd what is memcoder?
[03:02] <rmd> yep
[03:02] <rmd> well
[03:02] <rmd> mencoder claims to be for making mplayer files
[03:02] <rmd> but its a file formatter thingy
[03:03] <vidd_laptop> !mencoder
[03:03] <ubotu> mencoder: MPlayer's Movie Encoder. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3171 kB, installed size 7956 kB
[03:03] <rmd> i dont think you need the bs option
[03:03] <rmd> A simple movie encoder, designed to encode MPlayer-playable movies
[03:03] <rmd> (AVI/ASF/OGG/DVD/VCD/VOB/MPG/MOV/VIV/FLI/RM/NUV/NET) to other
[03:03] <rmd> MPlayer-playable formats. It can encode with various codecs, like DivX4 (1
[03:03] <rmd> or 2 passes), libavcodec, PCM/MP3/VBRMP3 audio. Also has stream copying and
[03:03] <rmd> video resizing abilities.
[03:04] <vidd_laptop> rmd what is the bs in the dd command do?
[03:05] <rmd>        bs=BYTES
[03:05] <rmd>               force ibs=BYTES and obs=BYTES
[03:05] <rmd> obs=BYTES
[03:05] <rmd>               write BYTES bytes at a time
[03:05] <rmd> basically
[03:06] <vidd_laptop> ic
[03:06] <rmd> it sets the speed of the encoding
[03:06] <rmd> ibs is how many bytes are read at a time
[03:06] <rmd> obs is how many bytes are written at a time
[03:06] <vidd_laptop> and bs is how many are read and then writen?
[03:07] <rmd> yes, bs sets the variables at the same value
[03:07] <vidd_laptop> cool
[03:07] <vidd_laptop> and not specifying lets the op choose for itself, or at some preset default?
[03:09] <rmd> surely
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> rmd...this dvd rip looks like it will let me do some editing of these movies...it that right?
[03:10] <rmd> vidd_laptop, dvdrip is just a perl front end to "transcode"  transcode offers the ability to truncate, so you could take out previews or opening credits or something
[03:10] <Sigmamu188> how  do i intigrate a spell into gaim
[03:11] <rmd> Sigmamu188, i thought it was enabled by default, now?
[03:11] <vidd_laptop> so it wont let me take part "a" and put it behind part "c" and so on?
[03:11] <Sigmamu188> it isint on
[03:11] <Sigmamu188> i just installed aspell on the system
[03:11] <rmd> vidd_laptop, it might.  iv'e never messed with it
[03:11] <vidd_laptop> oh
[03:11] <vidd_laptop> looks like i will have o play
[03:11] <rmd> Sigmamu188, aspell is a command line program.  the spell checking in gaim is real time
[03:11] <vidd_laptop> *to
[03:12] <Sigmamu188> hmmm
[03:12] <rmd> which is to say, i dont know why you would want to do that
[03:12] <rmd> because gaim comes standard with a spell checking option
[03:12] <rmd> but
[03:12] <rmd> its been a long time
[03:12] <rmd> i suggest you try #ubuntu or #gaim or something
[03:12] <Sigmamu188> cool
[03:12] <Sigmamu188> rmd: thanks for the info
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> Sigmamu188, the spell check option is in the {tools} {preferences} {conversation} section
[03:15] <Sigmamu188> ok its checked
[03:15] <Sigmamu188> or it was checked to begin with
[03:15] <Sigmamu188> but im gettin nada
[03:15] <Sigmamu188> for the spellchecking
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> if you misspell something, it will be underlined.... right-click to show options
[03:16] <Sigmamu188> not working
[03:16] <Sigmamu188> hmm
[03:16] <vidd_laptop> you need to type the word the hit [space]  to have the misspelled word underlined
[03:17] <Sigmamu188> it used to work before i downloaded the xubuntu updates
[03:17] <vidd_laptop> =\
[03:17] <vidd_laptop> i just ran updates, and mine still works
[03:17] <Sigmamu188> hmm
[03:17] <vidd_laptop> try sudo aptitude reinstall gaim
[03:18] <vidd_laptop> that might fix it
[03:18] <vidd_laptop> let us know =] 
[03:19] <Sigmamu188> kk will do
[03:19] <vidd_laptop> rmd ... did dd do it for ya?
[03:19] <rmd> vidd_laptop, i don't have any dvds around.  i'm in a hotel :)  but i'll be trying it when i get home :)
[03:21] <Sigmamu188> brb have to change irc clients
[03:22] <sigmamu188> i figured it you
[03:22] <sigmamu188> out
[03:22] <sigmamu188> you have to have gaim and aspell installed
[03:22] <sigmamu188> and i had to restart gaim
[03:23] <sigmamu188> and now xchata is auto spell checking
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> awesome
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> hand the kid a cigar!
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> :] 
[03:24] <sigmamu188> who knew all my problems could be solved by restarting my messaging client
[03:24] <sigmamu188> <\\\\\\\\\\] ~~
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> you always have to restart for changes to take effect.....
[03:25] <rmd> wierd
[03:25] <rmd> sigmamu188, cool
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> like if you add flash or java to firefox, you have to restart ALL your browser windows for the change to take effect
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> just in M$-world...you have to reboot
[03:26] <sigmamu188> i added flash about an hour ago
[03:26] <sigmamu188> i wanted to get myspace to work
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> then again....rebooting fixes 99% of the problems in M$....intalling linux fixes 100%
[03:26] <sigmamu188> atleast the media players
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:27] <sigmamu188> lol
[05:27] <_BS_> Help.
[07:12] <_BS_> If I'm at a command line, and want to start up kate ... how do I run 'kate foo' so it doesn't say unable to open device. kate bad example, but hopefully you know what I mean. In windows this would just be 'start kate foo'.
[07:18] <grazie> _BS_: depends on what file you are trying to edit. You may need 'sudo kate foo'
[07:20] <hyper_ch> using kate on xubuntu :) welcome to the club :)
[07:20] <_BS_> grazie: OK, so sudo understands to talk with the X that started the command shell? Suppose, for arguments sake, I'm in my $HOME directory at the time, so don't need to be root.
[07:21] <_BS_> hyper_ch: I'm not ... just happened to be here. Default to #xubuntu due to problems on other computer.
[07:21] <_BS_> Since you're here...
[07:21] <grazie> _BS_: file in $HOME wil not normally need root privs, sudo not required.
[07:22] <hyper_ch> well, to open a file in read-mode (if your user/group hasn't got write access) should also be working just with      kate filename
[07:22] <_BS_> Have ibm laptop with dead screen, so using external monitor. Tried to do 1024x768 and now have messed things up. Back to 640x480 which, of course, is too small to go into system settings and actually see the OK or APPLY buttons. <sigh> How do I get it to go back, redetect the monitor hardware and reconfigure X appropriately. <sigh>
[07:23] <grazie> _BS_: Nornally I'd receommend  using gksu or sksudo rather than sudo but not sure that correct for KDE apps
[07:23] <rici> you shouldn't need sudo to start up an editor :)
[07:23] <rici> you probably want:  kate <filename> &
[07:24] <hyper_ch> anyway, I'm off to university :)
[07:24] <hyper_ch> cya
[07:25] <_BS_> hyper_ch: That's why I said bad example. I tried it while typing and, of course, it opened. Have tried other commands to get the same sort of bad device result though. Even Kate, here, produces:
[07:25] <_BS_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[07:25] <_BS_>   Major opcode:  145
[07:25] <_BS_>   Minor opcode:  3
[07:25] <_BS_>   Resource id:  0x0
[07:25] <_BS_> Failed to open device
[07:25] <_BS_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[07:25] <_BS_>   Major opcode:  145
[07:25] <_BS_>   Minor opcode:  3
[07:25] <_BS_>   Resource id:  0x0
[07:25] <_BS_> Failed to open device
[07:25] <_BS_> Which I just assume is it complaining about not knowing the display handle to start from.
[07:25] <rici> sounds like it
[07:25] <grazie> !pastebin | _
[07:25] <ubotu> _: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:25] <_BS_> grazie: none should be necessary. Assume I want to start up anything graphical from the command line.
[07:26] <rici> perhaps you need to set $DISPLAY
[07:26] <rici> and/or export it
[07:28] <grazie> _BS_: your example was none specific...I assumed you were having access problems
[07:28] <_BS_> rici: That's the sort of thing I mean, in terms of what I'm trying to figure out. Nice try, but set shows 'DISPLAY=:0.0'. Try again (please)? [I take it I should be able to type any command at the command line and just have it start with no errors. I dunno, say kontact? [Mind you, the point of remembering the '&' is well taken.] 
[07:28] <rici> yes, you should. i can.
[07:30] <_BS_> grazie: Apologies. I guess the first thing I'm trying to figure out is what should work without extraneous verbage, and then which culprit is spitting at me.
[07:33] <rici> is your screen actually 0.0?
[07:34] <Darkkish> ok so i want to plug in my ipod so it will charge
[07:34] <Darkkish> but i also want to listen to it at the same time
[07:35] <_BS_> rici: That's what set in ther terminal says: :0.0. (How else might I tell?)
[07:36] <rici> if you have an external monitor, it might be a different one
[07:36] <rici> it should be in your xorg.conf file
[07:39] <_BS_> rici: I get the same results on my kubuntu right next to it. I've just retested this on the xubuntu system. Entered gcalctool on the command line, get same errors, then the calculator pops up.
[07:39] <_BS_> rici: kubuntu is normal desktop workstation, single monitor.
[07:39] <rici> just pops right up on mine
[07:40] <rici> i don't know what would be different
[07:40] <ormiret> _BS_: what is the error you are getting?
[07:40] <rici> this is a standard xubuntu install
[07:41] <_BS_> ormiret: See above, or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11618/.
[07:42] <rici> google says: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/42553
[07:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42553 in xorg "wacom input devices enabled by default, why?" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:43] <_BS_> rici: Ah, good point. I've been assuming this is a Linux 'thing' so problem applies to any of them. (Remember, I assumed this was an 'x' thing.) I've also been assuming that once I run xubuntu_desktop and log in with xfce, I'm running 'xubuntu native standard'. This is kubuntu install, then xubuntu added when too slow, using xfce.
[07:44] <rici> always check the error message in google
[07:44] <rici> with quotes around it
[07:44] <rici> 80% of the tine you get a better response than i could give
[07:46] <_BS_> Ubugtu: Ah! Cool. Interesting. Never heard of launchpad.
[07:47] <rici> it's ubuntu's bug registry
[07:47] <_BS_> rici: fair enough ... but ... never occurred to me. Thought this was just a linux thing and I needed the windows equivalent to 'start'.
[07:47] <rici> ubugtu looks the bug up from the url when you type it
[07:47] <rici> _BS_: the equivalent to windows' "start" is the trailing &
[07:47] <rici> that's about all start does
[07:48] <rici> aside from do extension->app mappings
[07:49] <_BS_> rici: I think I would disagree. I think it does the detach, as you say, but also hooks it's root window into the parent of the command window. Could be wrong, but I don't think so.
[07:49] <_BS_> SO: Back to the display problem ... how can I get the display hardware re-detected and X reconfigured?
[07:51] <rici> you got me
[07:51] <rici> i hate X11
[07:52] <_BS_> rici: You mean one has a choice?
[07:52] <rici> my choice is mac os x
[07:52] <ormiret> _BS_: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[07:52] <rici> however, my mac's temporarily dead :)
[07:53] <rici> i usually only use un*x for servers, but i needed to work while waiting for a new power supply to arrive in peru
[07:53] <rici> i suppose i shouldn't say that in a ubuntu channel :)
[07:54] <ormiret> I don't think there are any ops around so you ight get away with it this time :)
[07:54] <rici> i've been trying to be helpful while i'm here
[07:55] <rici> actually i've been hoping someone can help me with keyboard configuration.
[07:55] <rici> you wouldn't know anything about xxkb or alternatives would you?
[07:56] <rici> i've mostly gotten things working the way i want them to, but i can't figure out how to use different mappings in different windows without xxkb, and the ubuntu pkg is borked
[07:56] <rici> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/76260
[07:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76260 in xorg "x11-common conflicts with xxkb, but xxkb depends on x11-common inderectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:57] <rici> things always go silent when i mention that :)
[07:57] <ormiret> sorry, no clue how to fix that :(
[07:58] <rici> oh, well.
[07:58] <rici> i'll get it working eventually.
[07:59] <rici> i never really wanted to learn about xkb, but i've had the crash course, as it were, necessity being the mother of manual reading and all that
[08:00] <_BS_> ormiret: funny ... I just saw that going in to xorg.conf based on the bugfix found for me earlier!
[08:01] <rici> did that work for you?
[08:01] <_BS_> rici: Look man ... it's a P233 laptop - it's not THAT fast!
[08:01] <rici> just curious
[08:03] <_BS_> rici: so the first thing it asks (package configuration) is what video ... ok, where the heck is system settings in xubuntu, wait, wait, wait, display, wait, wait, wait, hardware, wait, wait, wait, kill system settings, back to package config ...
[08:06] <_BS_> I should only have to restart X, right?
[08:06] <rici> yep
[08:07] <rici> you might be right about windows, although i think x apps do that automatically
[08:07] <rici> well, semi-automatically.
[08:07] <rici> i've never used windows on a machine with > 1 monitor
[08:07] <_BS_> wait, wait, wait ... actually, I think a fair portion of the problem is the hard drive I put in it to test with, my guess is it's slower than a dog ... wait, wait, wait
[08:08] <rici> lack of ram
[08:08] <_BS_> rici: I never said Windows wasn't goofy. Or imposed extra goofiness unnecessary under GNU/Linux! (-:
[08:08] <rici> sure
[08:09] <_BS_> rici: It's maxed out ... at all of 256MB!
[08:09] <_BS_> rici: I don't / haven't, either, in the way you're thinking.
[08:11] <rici> 256 mb isn't much, sadly
[08:11] <_BS_> rici: I got into 2nd monitor, actually, when laptops dock and internal shuts off. A keystroke does internal, external, or both. [Not working currently, or I'd have my 1024x768 (max.)]  Then of course, I ran into 2 monitors when hooking up laptops to projectors for presentations. And I saw both screens on at the same time. (So the presenter could stop bobbing his head back and forth between...
[08:11] <_BS_> ...the screen and the keyboard/mouse!) :-)
[08:11] <rici> right, i've seen that configuration, although it usually doesn't work.
[08:12] <rici> i've used multi-monitor macs quite a bit. it can be quite nice
[08:12] <_BS_> rici: Yeah well ... Actually, all I intended for this beast was to leave something like korganizer up on it all the time. Maybe firefox and thunderbird too. Then I could stop popping back and forth on my main machine.
[08:12] <rici> firefox on this machine is using 130MB RES
[08:13] <rici> plus 116 for acroread cause i've got one pdf open
[08:13] <_BS_> rici: Which ... by the way ... is at the moment ... Windows XP running Kubuntu under vmware player. Works fantastically well and brainlessly. Even upgraded the 6.06 appliance to 6.10, and added ubuntu_desktop and xubuntu_desktop, just to check things out. Very slick way to just check things out.
[08:13] <rici> followed by 50M for xorg and another 50M for thunderbird
[08:13] <rici> yeah, xubuntu was fairly painless
[08:14] <rici> except i can't get the keyboard to behave like i want it to, and the menubar's are in the wrong place :)
[08:14] <rici> i tried the hack to put the menu at the top, but it doesn't work consistently.
[08:15] <rici> but much more positive than my previous experiences with linux on the desktop.
[08:15] <rici> nice job.
[08:15] <TheSheep> rici: use evince instead of bloatware acroread
[08:15] <rici> well, i'm already using bloatware firefox :) but i'll give it a try
[08:16] <TheSheep> rici: what didn't work with menu at top?
[08:16] <rici> firefox
[08:16] <_BS_> rici: well, ok, maybe web and mail, of some sort. Know what you mean about the menus ... then screen problem got in way. Want menus at bottom, thank you very much.
[08:16] <TheSheep> ah, you mean the mac-like menu?
[08:16] <rici> yeah
[08:17] <TheSheep> firefox is pretty badly written in this regards -- it draws its own interface
[08:17] <TheSheep> that's because it's mainly targetted for windows
[08:18] <rici> really? how odd.
[08:18] <rici> it's not very cooperative about keyboard settings either
[08:18] <_BS_> rici: Agree about experience ... tried Debian long ago, thought it was ok but searched for something better. Tried a number of others, slackware, gentoo, more than I can count / remember. Then gave it up for some years. Never forgot about it though, just had no time to relearn everything I know. I think in the intervening years, though, hardware has sped up significantly, and the software...
[08:18] <_BS_> ...too. Sort of blew my mind going to kde.org and seeing koffice / kontact / kde-apps. This was long after I had gotten open office, which really sparked my interest.
[08:19] <TheSheep> with the modern programming languages and libraries you can roll a new application in 10 minutes
[08:20] <TheSheep> rapid prototype it and rewrite to C in 2 days
[08:20] <rici> TheSheep: i've had trouble with ff on the mac, too. it doesn't get fonts right
[08:21] <_BS_> rici: No offense, but may I share some advice ... since you're talking servers and workstations ... I assume you have at least some level of support responsibilities ... I learned long ago the more you customize things, the more you whine and curse every time you sit at someone else's machine to help them. If you just go with the defaults and live with them ... you do much less whining and...
[08:21] <_BS_> ...cursing. In my experience, anyways.
[08:21] <TheSheep> rici: I've tried all the web browsers I could get my hands on, but there is simply no css-aware lightweight browser. Even tried to write my own.
[08:21] <rici> _BS_: i agree
[08:21] <rici> however, i need to be able to type in several languages; it's not an option for me
[08:21] <rici> moving the menus around is just aesthetics but i have to get this keyboard to work
[08:22] <_BS_> rici: Ouch. [Was opera at all useful?]  I hear ya, keyboard vs. screen.
[08:23] <_BS_> rici: laptop dead. power down and up. Guess X didn't exit gracefully. wait, wait, wait ...
[08:23] <rici> sigh.
[08:23] <rici> well, good luck.
[08:23] <rici> hope you get it working.
[08:23] <_BS_> rici: Thanks. And thanks for your excellent insights.
[08:23] <rici> no worries
[08:24] <rici> chao
[08:43] <J-_> whenever downloading something from the internet, teh speed is really slow. I've tried !ipv6, and that didn't work.
[09:37] <tester> i have a live cd on a usb stick, is it possible to disable auto-login?
[09:38] <tester> it seems the whole os is in the memory when xubuntu is loaded...
[09:41] <tester> hello?
[11:24] <mh789> Hi! I can't get Xubuntu starting. I tried starting the live-cd (6.10) on an old computer, but what I saw was Desktop and Login Screen alternating in a 5 seconds cycle. I then installed Xubuntu with the Alternate CD. Here the same, after logging in, I see the Desktop for about 5 Seconds, then again the login screen (but it does not switch back to the Desktop as it waits for my password).
[12:53] <grazie> mh789: you still around?
[12:57] <grazie> mh789: I've heard of a similar problem to the one you descrube. It was due to using a voodoo video card and a buggy driver.
[12:58] <grazie> mh789: Suggest you try using vesa for the time being, but there is a patch for the driver described in launchpad I think.
[01:54] <triplah_> anyone had any luck with gstreamer?
[01:54] <triplah_> in particular i want to get quodlibet working
[01:54] <triplah_> i prob have to restart x
[01:55] <triplah_> brb i'll try rebooting
[01:59] <triplah_> Quod Libet could not find the 'filesrc' GStreamer element. Check your GStreamer installation.
[03:38] <_sebastian> Hi
[03:38] <maxamillion> _sebastian: hello
[03:39] <_sebastian> can someone help me to install my nvidia geforece 6800?
[03:40] <maxamillion> !nvidia-glx | _sebastian
[03:40] <ubotu> _sebastian: nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+2.6.17.7-11.2 (edgy), package size 3971 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[03:40] <maxamillion> _sebastian: ah, sorry ... wrong link
[03:40] <maxamillion> !nvidia | _sebastian
[03:40] <ubotu> _sebastian: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:40] <_sebastian> ah, thank you
[03:41] <looping_> thanx maxamillion, I need to install drivers too. :)
[03:41] <maxamillion> no problem :) .... glad i could help
[03:42] <looping_> i'm limited to 1.24*768 right now, with a 19", it's lame.
[03:42] <looping_> 1024
[03:42] <maxamillion> looping_: oh ouch
[03:43] <_sebastian> i'm limited to 800x600 at 20" tft
[03:44] <maxamillion> _sebastian: double ouch
[03:44] <_sebastian> yes...
[03:44] <looping_> maxamillion: I'm not eager to try and install the drivers, though. I crashed kubuntu trying to do it before.
[03:45] <looping_> I crashed X, in fact... but I wanted to give a try to xubuntu.
[03:45] <looping_> :)
[03:45] <maxamillion> :)
[03:45] <_sebastian> is there a help guid in german?
[03:46] <_sebastian> it would be easier for me ;)
[03:51] <maxamillion> _sebastian: if their is, i am not aware of it
[03:52] <_sebastian> i found noone
[03:54] <rici> looping_: did you try adjusting the mode lines?
[03:55] <_sebastian> how can i edit the menu where i can found system and so on?
[03:55] <_sebastian> i want to add some applications
[03:55] <rici> right click and select edit menu
[03:56] <maxamillion> _sebastian: Applications->Settings->Menu Editor .... or what rici said :)
[03:58] <_sebastian> i looked for something like that, but i havn't seen it :O
[03:58] <looping_> rici: meanwhile i reinstalled my system. I am trying installing from ubuntu repositories.
[04:00] <looping_> back
[04:00] <_sebastian> hi
[04:02] <maxamillion> wb
[04:02] <maxamillion> (sorry i am slow on my responses, i'm at work)
[04:03] <llbb5k> hey everyone
[04:05] <_sebastian> how can i restart xorg, to test if the driver is working?
[04:05] <maxamillion> _sebastian: this is a really "hack and slash" way of doing it but do the key combo <ctrl>+<alt>+<backspace> (just make sure you close all apps and save all docs)
[04:06] <maxamillion> llbb5k: hello
[04:06] <maxamillion> _sebastian: that is the keycombo to "hard kill" X
[04:06] <_sebastian> ok, i will be back sone
[04:06] <maxamillion> _sebastian: and then because of the way the runtime is setup it will restart X automatically
[04:06] <maxamillion> lol
[04:09] <looping_> I'm back and high res' ! Happy me!
[04:09] <maxamillion> looping_: awesome!!!
[04:11] <_sebastian> back
[04:11] <_sebastian> it doesnt work :(
[04:11] <maxamillion> _sebastian: what doesn't? ... the high res or X?
[04:12] <_sebastian> the high re
[04:12] <_sebastian> s
[04:12] <maxamillion> _sebastian: you have the nvidia drivers installed?
[04:13] <_sebastian> yes, i installed NVidia binary X.Org driver
[04:13] <maxamillion> _sebastian: did you edit the xorg.conf file to use it?
[04:14] <_sebastian> i have removed "nv" and insert "nvidia"
[04:14] <_sebastian> than the x server didn't start
[04:14] <maxamillion> -.-;
[04:19] <ron_o> can anyone explain why my usb starting working properly again when I updated the bios? what does it have to do with udev? My usb device itself was recognized but not all my devices that I had plugged into my usb "drives".
[04:21] <maxamillion> ron_o: i think that would have to do with HAL and udev ....
[04:21] <maxamillion> !hal
[04:21] <ubotu> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.7.1-0ubuntu17 (edgy), package size 347 kB, installed size 1112 kB
[04:21] <maxamillion> !udev
[04:21] <ubotu> udev: rule-based device node and kernel event manager. In component main, is important. Version 093-0ubuntu18.0edgy2 (edgy), package size 224 kB, installed size 768 kB
[04:22] <maxamillion> ron_o: i really don't know why an update to bios would affect those, i would think upstart would recognize any changes at boot
[04:22] <ron_o> yah, but it works now. I'm so happy. :))
[04:22] <jmichaelx> did anyone else lose X in the last feisty kernel upgrade? when i upgraded to 2.6.20-12 i lost X and and wireless
[04:22] <looping_> ooh, beautiful...
[04:23] <ron_o> I know everything is tied together but this one is so foreign to me that it's above even my own theories of how things work in hardware land.
[04:23] <maxamillion> ron_o: ohhhh, i thought it didn't work
[04:23] <ron_o> no, it just starting working again after I updated my bios.
[04:23] <maxamillion> jmichaelx: i didn't know they pushed an update ... lemme go download
[04:23] <soweto76> jmichaelx, network manager seems to be broken.  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart   might get you going
[04:24] <jmichaelx> maxamillion: the update i am talking about was several days ago
[04:24] <J-_> http://65.92.66.155/pictures/main.php does it load slow?
[04:24] <maxamillion> jmichaelx: oh ... then no, i didn't
[04:24] <J-_> crap wrong channel
[04:25] <jmichaelx> i am having to boot into the 2.6.20-10 kernel to get things to work
[04:25] <maxamillion> jmichaelx: wait ... i am still running edgy
[04:25] <jmichaelx> ahh
[04:25] <jmichaelx> ok
[04:26] <maxamillion> jmichaelx: i just noticed the .20- .... sorry i am not of help
[04:26] <jmichaelx> no problem
[04:27] <soweto76> jmichaelx, are you using restricted module for X?
[04:27] <jmichaelx> soweto76: i should be... maybe the restricted modules for -12 didn't come down
[04:28] <Jester626> Good Morning everyone
[04:28] <maxamillion> Jester626: hiya
[04:28] <maxamillion> Jester626: why the 626?
[04:28] <soweto76> jmichaelx, make sure you have the meta package selected for the kernel stuff -- somehow the dist-upgrade did not get that included on my machine.
[04:28] <Jester626> 'cause the nick "Jester" is already taken
[04:29] <Jester626> 626 is the month and day I was born
[04:29] <jmichaelx> soweto76: ok, that is probably my problem, i'll check it out. thanks
[04:29] <maxamillion> Jester626: oh, so you aren't the Jester that is normally here?
[04:29] <Jester626> ahh, no, I'm a total NOOB!!!
[04:29] <soweto76> jmichaelx, dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image
[04:29] <maxamillion> Jester626: oh ok, we have a regular community member who goes by Jester or NetJester
[04:30] <Jester626> I don't know $h!t :)
[04:30] <maxamillion> Jester626: lol, well this is a good place to start ... any pressing issues you need help with at the moment?
[04:30] <jmichaelx> soweto76: ty
[04:31] <soweto76> jmichaelx, network manager seems to be broken.  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart   might get you going
[04:31] <Jester626> nothing pressing, wish I knew how to make the desktop icon a bit smaller in gnome and was wondering how you select a person's name in Xchat (like you do when responding to me)
[04:32] <maxamillion> Jester626: type the first couple letters in their name and hit the <tab> key ... its a feature they call "auto-completion"
[04:32] <maxamillion> Jester626: that works in _most_ irc clients
[04:32] <Jester626> maxamillion:  like this?
[04:32] <Jester626> kewl thanks
[04:32] <maxamillion> Jester626: no problem :)
[04:33] <maxamillion> Jester626: now, the desktop thing i don't know about ... i don't do desktop icons
[04:33] <Jester626> hrh
[04:33] <Jester626> err heh
[04:34] <Jester626> well I have an ubuntu server set up as well as ubuntu desktop on an old machine
[04:34] <Jester626> other than using dreamweaver I haven't touched my WinXP machine for a couple of days now
[04:34] <maxamillion> Jester626: awesome!
[04:35] <albert> !dvd
[04:35] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:35] <albert> i hate this copy-protect bullshit...people are ripping anyway...
[04:35] <Jester626> If I could find a suitable linux replacement for Dreamweaver, I think I'd be totally converted to Ubuntu
[04:35] <maxamillion> !languagte | albert
[04:35] <maxamillion> !language | albert
[04:35] <maxamillion> **
[04:35] <albert> !language
[04:35] <Jester626> maxamillion:  lol
[04:36] <albert> ah, pardon :D
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languagte - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <maxamillion> Jester626: i don't generally do web devel stuff so i wouldn't have a good recommendation there
[04:36] <ubotu> albert: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:36] <maxamillion> ubotu: you fail at life
[04:36] <albert> sorry
[04:36] <Jester626> maxamillion:  I have done a lot of research and what I have found is there is no suitable alternative for linux
[04:36] <albert> i just wanted to express my feelings about installing something to watch a bought dvd...
[04:36] <Jester626> I've tried setting it up in wine, but to no avail
[04:37] <maxamillion> Jester626: :( .... try out Nvu, its decent but probably not entirely what you are looking for
[04:37] <Jester626> maxamillion:  I have it already installed, and you are correct, not entirely what I am looking for
[04:38] <Jester626> maxamillion:  and quantas and bluefish and amaya
[04:38] <maxamillion> ah
[04:38] <maxamillion> Jester626: you've covered the bases ;)
[04:38] <maxamillion> albert: fair enough
[04:38] <Jester626> maxamillion: if they would combine all of them together it would be what I need
[04:39] <maxamillion> albert: we just generally try to keep the language family friendly because (x|k|ed)ubuntu is trying to market to the vast community as a whole (including the younger crowd and their parents) and there are some who might find it offensive, so i don't mean to be a downer ... just a friendly reminder :)
[04:39] <maxamillion> Jester626: lol
[04:39] <maxamillion> Jester626: "the one open source web devel tool to rule them all"
[04:40] <Jester626> maxamillion:  yup
[04:40] <Jester626> maxamillion:  or if macromedia would get with the program and port DW to Linux :)
[04:41] <maxamillion> Jester626: amen
[04:41] <maxamillion> Jester626: have you tried running dreamweaver in wine?
[04:41] <maxamillion> Jester626: you might be able to use it on linux :)
[04:41] <Jester626> maxamillion: ya I tried, but to no avail
[04:42] <maxamillion> Jester626: hmm.... that's no fun
[04:42] <Jester626> Research says that some versions will run in wine, unfortunately, the version I have does not
[04:43] <maxamillion> Jester626: some versions of dreamweaver or some versions of wine?
[04:43] <Jester626> A couple of people have gotten it to run but some of the features do not work, so that makes DW in wine no different than nvu or quantas
[04:43] <maxamillion> ahhh
[04:43] <Jester626> some version of DW
[04:43] <maxamillion> :(
[04:44] <Jester626> the key feature I like in Dw is that it will connect to the remote MySQL server and makes programming PHP/MySQL much easier
[04:44] <Jester626> and those are the features that don'e work when running in wine
[04:44] <maxamillion> Jester626: if you have the money, crossover might be a good purchase (i think its roughly $40) but i read a review recently that says their latest version will run almost any windows application you throw at it
[04:45] <Jester626> I have thought about setting up VMWare then putting WinXP in it to run DW
[04:45] <maxamillion> Jester626: yeah .... vmware or virtualbox could be good, or if you want to get all hard core about it, run virtualization with Xen
[04:46] <Jester626> which defeats the purpose to an extent except it gets an additional monitor off my desk
[04:46] <Jester626> not heard of Xen before
[04:46] <Jester626> BRB googling
[04:46] <maxamillion> k
[04:47] <maxamillion> Jester626: do you have Dreamweaver MX?
[04:47] <Jester626> MX 2004
[04:48] <maxamillion> ah, yeah ... i don't think that one will run on crossover either
[04:48] <maxamillion> Jester626: oooooor you could buy parallels ... that is some incredible software
[04:49] <Jester626> Or I could increase my knowledge of PHP/MySQL coding and do everything by hand :)
[04:50] <maxamillion> Jester626: that would be leet sauce :)
[04:51] <Jester626> maxamillion:  leet sauce?
[04:51] <maxamillion> Jester626: just an expression for "really cool"
[04:51] <Jester626> british?
[04:54] <maxamillion> nope ... geek
[04:54] <Jester626> ahh
[04:56] <maxamillion> Jester626: leet, 1337, or 133t is the geek saying for "elite" or "pro" and thus "leet sauce" is just kinda like "really effing cool"
[04:56] <Jester626> ok :)
[04:56] <maxamillion> ;)
[04:57] <Jester626> maxamillion:  here's a question for ya. If I have a collection of MP3's and I want to set up some sort of MP3 database on my Ubuntu server, what should I use?
[04:58] <maxamillion> Jester626: i would actually just use a directory of mp3s because there are streaming servers you can use to just set it to a directory ... otherwise i would say something like a mySQL or postgreSQL database
[05:00] <Jester626> maxamillion:  I thought about using MySQL, but then I would have to input all the songs, guess I could just set up XMMS to play from a shared directory on the server
[05:01] <maxamillion> Jester626: yeah, that's what i would do
[05:02] <maxamillion> i would find it easier
[05:03] <Jester626> maxamillion:  the only problem I have (and maybe you have a solution) is that I have some duplicates and not all files names are correct to what the song is, Like there me a files called "track01.mp3" I would have no idea what song that is
[05:04] <maxamillion> Jester626: ah, yes ... that i don't have a solution to but i understand the frustration
[05:04] <maxamillion> Jester626: i use xmms with streamtuner to listen to shoutcast netradio stations to be honest, i stopped bothering with mp3s
[05:04] <Jester626> ahh
[05:08] <remfarkas> hi all
[05:09] <remfarkas> i want to reinstall my xubuntu but it starts in 640*480, i cannot see the needed buttons
[05:09] <remfarkas> altough i changed resolution at start of the booting
[05:10] <TheSheep> remfarkas: you can move the windows by holding down alt and dragging with mouse
[05:10] <remfarkas> i cannot move it up
[05:10] <TheSheep> remfarkas: why not?
[05:10] <remfarkas> ony down and to the sides
[05:11] <remfarkas> i dont know, i didnot make xfce
[05:12] <TheSheep> remfarkas: your xfce must be very different from theo ne everyone else uses then
[05:12] <remfarkas> sure
[05:12] <remfarkas> i tell u, when i try to drag any window up, it resets to default
[05:13] <TheSheep> remfarkas: I have no ide how to help you
[05:14] <remfarkas> thx anyways... damn ati graphic card screwed up everything :/
[05:19] <Jester626> maxamillion:  you busy right now?
[05:19] <maxamillion> Jester626: only mildly, what's up?
[05:20] <Jester626> Can we go into private for a moment?
[05:25] <maxamillion> Jester626: check your pm window
[05:36] <Kobie> after a while my dsl connection disconnects in ifconfig ppp0 upper to be up a download continues but mozilla wont any one can help ?
[05:50] <maxamillion> gotta run... i have class
[06:23] <vimalg2> Hey, whats the average configuration of machines running Xubuntu among you people?
[06:23] <vimalg2> low-end or monsters?
[06:24] <TheSheep> vimalg2: one p2 100Mhz and one amd k6 2Ghz :)
[06:24] <pleia2> I run it on my 500mhz laptop and my 2ghz workstation
[06:25] <Howdy125> p3 800mhz 128 meg .. for now
[06:26] <vimalg2> Mine is a Via EPIA based laptop @1GHz (C3 Antaur CPU) +256MB DDR266
[06:26] <vimalg2> It just fits nicely without the bloat...
[06:26] <vimalg2> plus GTK is not a bad thing to have for a backbone
[06:27] <TheSheep> frontbone ;)
[06:27] <vimalg2> @pleia2:wow! a 100Mhz machine
[06:27] <vimalg2> Even my linux PDA has a 315Mhz Xscale cpu; dunno how well they compare though
[06:28] <vimalg2> @TheSheep:lol, lets call it cartilage that fills all the cavities
[06:28] <TheSheep> vimalg2: badly, it's probably something like 40Mhz intel...
[06:29] <vimalg2> hmm....
[06:29] <TheSheep> vimalg2: smaller commands
[06:29] <vimalg2> Its a motorola A780, there's a nice project underway to port 2.6.x kernel to it
[06:29] <vimalg2> Some ppl even got a Debian install built for it.lol. Cant beat debain
[06:30] <vimalg2> @TheSheep: you mean a smaller instruction set?
[06:32] <vimalg2> I've heard lots about Zenwalk.
[06:32] <TheSheep> vimalg2: larger instruction set, but the instructions do less in one step
[06:32] <vimalg2> But it seems pretty much identical in purposes, minus Repositories
[06:33] <vimalg2> @TheSheep: I think you're suggesting a RISC-ish set
[06:33] <TheSheep> vimalg2: yes, but I thought it's some arm, not motorola :)
[06:33] <vimalg2> ARM is owned by Intel now
[06:33] <vimalg2> :)
[06:34] <vimalg2> no.
[06:34] <vimalg2> mine's a PXA270
[06:34] <vimalg2> sorry
[06:34] <TheSheep> no idea what's that :)
[06:34] <vimalg2> Theres a sister motorola phone with identical software stack: The E680. Its got a Xscale.
[06:35] <vimalg2> Dunno why motorola chose different CPU's for 2 devices that released simultaneouly
[06:35] <vimalg2> I'm going off-topic here.
[06:35] <vimalg2> :D
[06:36] <vimalg2> Still, its cool to SSH to your home machine from your PDA/phone. The girls fall all over you(I wish)
[06:37] <vimalg2> :D
[06:45] <Jester626> maxamillion:  did you see my PM?
[06:45] <maxamillion> Jester626: nope
[06:46] <maxamillion> Jester626: did you see mine?
[06:47] <Jester626> yep
[06:47] <Jester626> I just resent it
[06:47] <maxamillion> Jester626: still didn't get it
[06:48] <TheSheep> Jester626: check if you're identified :)
[06:48] <Jester626> umm, total noob here, how do I do that?
[06:48] <TheSheep> Jester626: see the faq at http://freenode.net
[06:52] <grazie> Jester626: Zend Studio is the mutts nuts for php dev. It's none free but you can demo it
[06:53] <Jester626> grazie: thank, I'll look into it
[06:54] <grazie> np
[06:54] <maxamillion> Jester626: in irssi (which should also work in xchat) its "/msg <nickname> <message to be sent>"
[07:02] <maiken> Hi i need help getting wireless working under xubuntu. is there some easy gui solution?
[07:03] <TheSheep> !eifi
[07:03] <TheSheep> !wifi | maiken
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eifi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <ubotu> maiken: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:04] <TheSheep> !botsnack
[07:04] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:04] <maiken> thx a bunch. ill check it out
[07:07] <vimalg2> anyone tried quod-libet on Xubuntu?
[07:08] <maxamillion> vimalg2: not i
[07:12] <vimalg2> I was researching a good, lightwight yet functional music manager for Gtk
[07:13] <vimalg2> Quod libet seems ideal; form is secondary to function for me
[07:13] <grazie> vimalg2: you haven't tried it yet?
[07:14] <maxamillion> vimalg2: xmms would be my recommendation
[07:14] <vimalg2> I'm still gathering hardware drivers... dude
[07:15] <maxamillion> ouch
[07:15] <vimalg2> I have a real messed up hardware situation courtesy of VIA inc
[07:15] <vimalg2> lol
[07:15] <vimalg2> Yeah. i'm using Xubuntu dapper on and off
[07:15] <vimalg2> I'll wait for Feisty in april to completely dunk windows from the partition table
[07:16] <vimalg2> of course, I'm planning on MPD /XMMS for regular winamp-like playback functionality
[07:16] <vimalg2> Its just that I need a comprehensive and entensible Music management +tagging solution
[07:17] <vimalg2> Quod libet sems second only to the bloated Amarok
[07:17] <vimalg2> No way i'm allowing Kde-libs onto my lean and mean Xubuntu installation
[07:18] <grazie> vimalg2: exaile would be much better choice for gtk
[07:18] <TheSheep> vimalg2: the svn version of gmpc is very nice
[07:19] <vimalg2> point taken
[07:19] <vimalg2> I guess i'll try them all out.
[07:19] <grazie> all part of the fun
[07:19] <vimalg2> But first i need to get internet access resolved on linux
[07:19] <vimalg2> lol
[07:19] <vimalg2> Thats what you get when both your laptop and modem run linux
[07:20] <vimalg2> Seems i can only use my phone as a Router(yes i diid say router)
[07:20] <vimalg2> :D
[07:20] <vimalg2> geeky and freaky shit
[07:20] <vimalg2> I have a real chicken and egg situation here
[07:21] <vimalg2> I need packages from the internet to setup my phone
[07:21] <vimalg2> I need my phone to setup other packages
[07:21] <vimalg2> lol
[07:21] <vimalg2> royal screwup
[07:43] <hyper_ch> hiho
[07:45] <grazie> hello hyper_ch
[07:45] <hyper_ch> what's up?
[07:45] <grazie> hyper_ch: did you sort your remote access?
[07:46] <hyper_ch> grazie: yes, I just didn't have krfb started yet with the session :)
[07:46] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: the xfce applications menu doesn't disappear anymore
[08:00] <maxamillion> LOL my boss just found a "Linux for Dummies" book published in 1998 ... it talks about Caldera as a "major distro" XD
[08:01] <maxamillion> (found it on our book shelf)
[08:04] <hyper_ch> first feisty beta out?
[08:07] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: great
[08:07] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: not sure
[08:07] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: yeah :) I think so also...
[08:08] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: just heard it in the german kubuntu channel
[08:09] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: well, i know the ubuntu one was released and kubuntu might have ... but i am not entirely sure about the xubuntu release
[08:10] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: oh, they are not released at the same time?
[08:10] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: usually with a small lag :)
[08:10] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: nope, completely different development teams
[08:10] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[08:23] <maxamillion> i gotta run ... bbl
[09:26] <diyerxa> i set up xorg at resolution 1920x1200, but Xfce changes it to 1920x1080. anyone know if there's a way i can modify the Xfce display preferences?
[09:27] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:29] <TheSheep> diyerxa: settings->display settings
[09:43] <hyper_ch> just finished last episode of stargate season 10 :(
[09:59] <phpcoin> can xubunto be set up to do a minimal boot (just enough to initialise a wifi card) and then open a client connection to a terminal server ?
[10:01] <j1mc> phpcoin: hmmm... i'm sure there has to be a way to just have it go to a certain runlevel.
[10:01] <j1mc> have you tried just installing a command line system?  is that what you have in mind?  or do you need a gui?
[10:02] <phpcoin> i tried various ubuntu based thin client/server apps i found -  which was wat realy led me to the whole k/x/ubunto project :)
[10:03] <phpcoin> i dont need a gui as such - i need to load the wifi drivers, initialise the card (not on dhcp) and then have a terminal open and connect
[10:04] <phpcoin> id like to congratuate all the team working on this project as well - its by far and away the easiest and most intuative os to install and get up and running
[10:12] <diyerxa> TheSheep: sorry for the delay in my response, I'm at work right now. When I go to Settings > Display Settings, my option is 1920x1080, it's supposed to be 1920x1200. i'm wondering if there's a text file, other than xorg.conf, that controls Xfce's display settings.
[10:15] <j1mc> phpcoin: hmmm... so it sounds like you want at least a minimal gui if you want a terminal open.  i'm not sure, though.
[10:16] <j1mc> i'm pretty sure you should be able to initialize a wifi card w/o a gui.  you'd just have to type in a few commands . . .  what you need is a bit beyond me, though.
[10:16] <phpcoin> thats realy why i was looking so seriously at xubuntu - i have 14 desktop box's in the office on wheeled desks that i am fed up with running fat clients on
[10:16] <TheSheep> diyerxa: no, no ther file. but the highest resolution is usually displayed as 'default'
[10:17] <phpcoin> all use wifi to connect to the central office server - so i am piloting the client server idea
[10:17] <TheSheep> phpcoin: the command is "iwconfig"
[10:18] <phpcoin> id quite like them to connect and run kubunto from the server virtualiziation
[10:18] <j1mc> TheSheep: thanks.
[10:19] <phpcoin> thanks TheSheep, i left a copy of xubunto dl'ing in the office - ill burn and install tomorrow and have a play with that
[10:20] <TheSheep> phpcoin: I'm not sure, but you should be able to put something into /etc/network/interfaces and have the wifi configuret automagically on bootup
[10:21] <rici> diyerxa: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see why it's rejecting your modeline
[10:21] <diyerxa> TheSheep: the highest resolution list in my xorg.conf is 1920x1200.. 1920x1080 isnt even listed as an option
[10:21] <diyerxa> rici: k
[10:21] <TheSheep> diyerxa: xubuntu will list all the resolutions that are possible according to your video memory and monitor frequencies
[10:22] <diyerxa> sudo gedit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:22] <diyerxa> lol
[10:22] <diyerxa> wrong window
[10:22] <diyerxa> been a long day...
[10:23] <phpcoin> i was going to install xubuntu, configure the wifi and then strip it back to the minimum i could get away with b4 it broke lol - that might form a basis of what i need :D
[10:24] <j1mc> phpcoin: you could do that, or just use the alternate install cd, use that to install a command line system, and add the necessary items from there.
[10:24] <diyerxa> TheSheep: hmmm. maybe it runs perfectly at that resolution in GNOME, though?
[10:24] <phpcoin> wow i didnt know there was an alternative install cd
[10:25] <rici> diyerxa: gnome uses the same x11 server afaik
[10:26] <rici> if Xorg decides not to use a particular resolution, it won't be available.
[10:26] <rici> it's usually because either it doesn't think you have enough video memory, sometimes because it's not detecting that correctly,
[10:26] <rici> or more often because the frequencies in the xorg.conf file are wrong.
[10:27] <rici> the generic frequency limits are conservative
[10:27] <redwyrm> hello
[10:28] <diyerxa> when I ran the xserver config, i didn't save the freqs.  i'm going to try it again.
[10:28] <redwyrm> when I plug in a USB hard drive, an icon shows up on the desktop. what program is responsible for managing that icon, and where does it get info on plugged in devices?
[10:28] <diyerxa> however, i know that 1920x1200 worked in GNOME, i just don't know why Xfce won't take it
[10:29] <rici> it should be in your startup log, which is what /var/log/Xorg.0.log is
[10:29] <rici> normally, anyway. assuming that it's 0
[10:30] <rici> like i say, xfce and gnome are window managers, not x servers
[10:30] <rici> it's possible that you had a different x server, or that you started with a better x server config
[10:30] <redwyrm> technically, xfce and gnome are desktop managers
[10:30] <rici> right, sorry.
[10:30] <rici> they're not x servers, though, was my point.
[10:30] <redwyrm> ;)
[10:30] <redwyrm> true
[11:01] <slow-motion> n8
[11:20] <MaximusBrood> Suppose I have a script that runs an application: /usr/maximusbrood/startApp . How can I run this script one minute after Xubuntu has fully loaded?
[11:23] <hyper_ch> what's the default graphic for the xubuntu applications menu button?
[11:24] <jmichaelx> PuMpErNiCkLe: if 7.04 beta is out, should there not be a fair number of updates today?
[11:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> MaximusBrood: sleep 60 && /usr/maximusbrood/startApp
[11:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> jmichaelx: Depends on how recently you updated.
[11:25] <jmichaelx> ok
[11:25] <hyper_ch> jmichaelx: is the xubuntu beta already out?
[11:25] <jmichaelx> hyper_ch: apparently
[11:26] <hyper_ch> ubuntu and kubuntu are but thesheep said before that xubuntu is always a bit behind
[11:26] <hyper_ch> I only have two updates
[11:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's out, and available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.04/beta/
[11:26] <hyper_ch>   libwpd-stream8c2a libwpd8c2a
[11:27] <jmichaelx> X is broken in xubuntu for me, and wireless not working when booting into the 2.6.20-12 kernel. i have to boot into -10 to get both to work
[11:27] <MaximusBrood> PuMpErNiCkLe : Yes, thats only the code to let it sleep for 60 seconds, how can I make it start on system start?
[11:27] <hyper_ch> jmichaelx: what wifi chip?
[11:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> MaximusBrood: What do you mean by 'system start', then?
[11:28] <jmichaelx> hyper_ch: it is a ralink usb
[11:28] <hyper_ch> RaLink RT2x00?
[11:28] <jmichaelx> hyper_ch: yes, but usb
[11:29] <hyper_ch> jmichaelx: mine, pci, was broken in -10 and I (among others) submitted a bug report and it was fixed in -11
[11:29] <MaximusBrood> PuMpErNiCkLe : Sorry for the unclearness, I meant when seeing the login prompt. (I'm not using any window manager) How would I make it start that script then?
[11:29] <jmichaelx> hyper_ch: it seems that something in the restricted modules is awry
[11:29] <jmichaelx> hyper_ch: i don't have -11 (i don't think)
[11:29] <MaximusBrood> It doesn't have to be exactly when seeing the login prompt, just fairly close to it :)
[11:29] <hyper_ch> jmichaelx: for me it's also fixed in -12
[11:29] <jmichaelx> i have never done bug reports... i need to learn to do that
[11:30] <hyper_ch> jmichaelx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/92742
[11:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92742 in linux-source-2.6.20 "RT2500-based wireless G network card cannot be set or reset on 2.6.20-11" [Medium,Fix released] 
[11:30] <jmichaelx> i can't use -12 , ubfortunately
[11:30] <hyper_ch> oh, was it -11 that was broken?
[11:30] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[11:30] <hyper_ch> then -12 fixed it
[11:31] <jmichaelx> i have to use -10 right now.... hoping there will be another kernel upgrade before final
[11:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> MaximusBrood: You may want init to start it, then.  What application is it?
[11:31] <hyper_ch> :)
[11:31] <hyper_ch> anyway, I'm off to bed
[11:31] <hyper_ch> good night :)
[11:32] <jmichaelx> also, the mouse i was using will no longer work in feisty.... it is a PS/2 mouse connected via a DIN adapter.... it worked from breezy to edgy, but dead in feisty
[11:32] <jmichaelx> gppd night
[11:32] <MaximusBrood> PuMpErNiCkLe : It's a Half Life Dedicated Server, it must remain open until the system shuts down again.
[11:38] <MaximusBrood> Any idea?
[11:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> MaximusBrood: Yeah, part of the init process is good, then.  /etc/rc.local is where you should put the launcher.
[11:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That would probably launch it as root, so you may want to specify another user to run the process under, since running a server as root is unwise.
[11:44] <MaximusBrood> Yes, my script already includes sudo -u. Thanks for your help, testing now :)
[11:48] <massctrl> yowz, is there a way to have the panel into another color?
[11:49] <TheSheep> massctrl: yes, you can style it in your gtk theme
[11:49] <TheSheep> massctrl: I think that you can even put an image on it
[11:53] <massctrl> ok but that can't be done using settings inside xfce
[11:57] <massctrl> ok never mind, have found a suitable thems, *sigh* need coffee
[12:00] <TheSheep> why duplicate functionality if you can already do it with gtk? :)