[12:12] <c0nv1ct> orange1: yeah, that will be a problem
[12:12] <bet4> ok
[12:12] <arvid> how do I install "xorg-driver-fglrx (= 8.33.6-1)" apparently I only have 7.1.0-8.34.8+2.6.20.3-12.11
[12:12] <arvid> (whatever that means)
[12:12] <c0nv1ct> orange1: there are vnc servers for windows though
[12:12] <Arwen> bet4, try "btdownloadgui"
[12:12] <c0nv1ct> orange1: it makes for a pretty big security hole though
[12:12] <pynsa> hi folks
[12:13] <orange1> security hole on my desktop or on the school's connection?
[12:13] <xyverz> hullo pynsa
[12:13] <compilerwriter> !kernel | metty
[12:13] <ubotu> metty: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> arvid: it looks like you already have a newer version installed.
[12:13] <pynsa> how can i save profiles in konqueror 3.5.5.? i recently realised that the menu entries that allowed saving own profiles are gone...
[12:13] <pynsa> heyda xyverz
[12:13] <orange1> !vnc
[12:13] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> 7.1.0 is the xorg version, 8.34.8 is the driver version, and 2.6.20 maybe kernel version?
[12:14] <bet4> Arwen: command not found
[12:14] <acemo> is there anyway that i can set mplayer as default for all filetypes it supports?
[12:14] <arvid> Daisuke_Ido: then what does this error mean? http://pastebin.ca/407370
[12:14] <Arwen> bet4, damn it, this is irritating
[12:14] <orange1> c0nv1ct:  security hole on my desktop or on the school's connection?
[12:14] <orange1> !ssh
[12:14] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[12:14] <c0nv1ct> orange1: look into FreeNX, thats what you want
[12:14] <bet4> Arwen: yeah, edgy only gave me problems so far compared to dapper at least
[12:14] <c0nv1ct> orange1: the security hole would be on your desktop, but there are ways to secure it better
[12:15] <bet4> im running fairly new hardware though
[12:15] <compilerwriter> arwen what is the trouble?
[12:15] <bet4> not too old not to new
[12:15] <Arwen> compilerwriter, the command line bittorrent has weird filenames :-\
[12:15] <bet4> too
[12:15] <orange1> !freenx
[12:15] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[12:15] <Arwen> bet4, try installing bittornado-gui too :-\
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> arvid: means it expects *exactly* that version of the driver
[12:15] <c0nv1ct> orange1: i believe i've seen a freenx client/server for windows too
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not much on installing ati though...
[12:16] <bet4> Arwen: yep, only thing i could think of as well
[12:16] <compilerwriter> I have never used the command line torrent so I ges I shall have wish you luck and take a belt of scotch for you.
[12:16] <arvid> Daisuke_Ido: yes, and I just think I found the problem: "IMPORTANT: You have to recompile the kernel module after each kernel update! NOTE: the fglrx source code requires Linux 2.6.19 or lower. It is not yet prepared for 2.6.20.".
[12:16] <compilerwriter> s/ges/guess
[12:16] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be the problem
[12:16] <arvid> Daisuke_Ido: oh well - I'll just wait untill it works on 2.6.20
[12:16] <Arwen> bet4, turns out that the bittornado main is composed of tons of different commands all starting in bt.something
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> is there anything about 2.6.20 that's an absolute must-have?
[12:17] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: basicly no
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[12:17] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, more hardware support? kernels aren't very exciting...
[12:17] <bet4> Arwen: i see
[12:17] <arvid> Daisuke_Ido: no :) But I'm going to bed now :P
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> heh
[12:17] <acemo> is there anyway that i can set mplayer as default for all filetypes it supports?
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> not exciting, no, but still potentially important
[12:17] <Tm_T> yup, most of the time new kernels just bring more hw support etc
[12:18] <orange1> c0nv1ct: the network at my school is very limited -- whats a safe port to use?
[12:18] <c0nv1ct> orange1: not sure, depends on how locked down your school network is
[12:18] <Arwen> acemo, not that I know of, that probably involves editing the mimetypes db...
[12:18] <compilerwriter> arwen take heart you will learn it eventually if you must.  The man page might be of some help if you ever need command line memory joggers for some reason.
[12:18] <bet4> does anyone have an idea why streaming media doesnt work for me? i installed w32codecs, all the gstreamer stuff im supposed to and the lbxinestuff
[12:19] <c0nv1ct> orange1: you may want to use port 80, that'll be open for sure
[12:19] <bet4> windows media stream works though
[12:19] <Arwen> compilerwriter, bah, I just use gui for bt :-\
[12:19] <c0nv1ct> orange1: but that may be blocked by your ISP at home
[12:19] <Arwen> compilerwriter, don't feel like memorizing 20 commands just for bittorrent
[12:19] <compilerwriter> I know the feeling.
[12:19] <Arwen> compilerwriter, yeah, I'm a fan of command lines in general
[12:20] <compilerwriter> Arwen typed like a Macintrash user.
[12:20] <Arwen> macintrash?
[12:20] <bet4> hm...ok crashed right away after launching
[12:20] <BluesKaj> how does one delete a whole load of empty files with a common name , but a different list number
[12:20] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:21] <Arwen> BluesKaj, use rm with wildcards?
[12:21] <bet4> sudo aptitude remove --purge bittornado-gui
[12:21] <Arwen> e.g. to delete everything with "blue" in the name, you could do "rm *blue*"
[12:21] <compilerwriter> Then again arwen I am older than God's dog.  The first computer I cut my teeth on was a sequent mainframe with a regent20 terminal.
[12:21] <DominiK83> \join ubuntu.it
[12:21] <bet4> what a pile of rubbish :/
[12:21] <Arwen> compilerwriter, I used to be a Windows fan :-\
[12:21] <Arwen> still have a copy around for game
[12:21] <BluesKaj> ok Arwen thanks
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> going to have to check the new builds of wine, apparently they've fixed a lot of bugs in d3d
[12:22] <Arwen> yes
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> maybe, just maybe, i can get the longest journey to run
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> as it is, i've been playing it on my fiancee's laptop
[12:22] <orange1> Daisuke_Ido: check if flash 8 professional works
[12:22] <Stormi> Could anyone give me a couple of hints on how to change my resolution? :/ I somehow buggered it up...
[12:23] <bet4> man, am i really cursed to use azureus?
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> bet4: there's still ktorrent :D
[12:23] <wolferine> Stormi, what type of card?
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, didn't work
[12:23] <wolferine> bet4, whats the issue?
[12:23] <Stormi> Nvidia Geforce 7xxx
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> have you tried the latest available from the site?
[12:23] <bet4> Daisuke_Ido:  well since i installed egy it doesnt conenct at all anymore (had dapper before)...i would be glad if i could use ktorrent
[12:23] <wolferine> upload or download issues?
[12:23] <bet4> edgy
[12:24] <wolferine> Stormi, you can do sudo nvidia-settings
[12:24] <bet4> edgy seems to give me a whole bunch of issues in general it seems
[12:24] <orange1> ktorrent kept giving me tracker error 3 and stopping my dl
[12:24] <wolferine> bet4, for example...
[12:24] <Stormi> I tried xrandr in konsole, but the options returned were no good..
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> mine just says "too many files open"
[12:25] <bet4> Daisuke_Ido: yes i tried the latest available version didnt work
[12:25] <wolferine> Stormi, try what I said
[12:25] <Daisuke_Ido> 2 hours until we find out if my pc is hosed
[12:25] <Stormi> And Xrandr -s 1024x768 told me that wasnt an available mode :/
[12:25] <wolferine> Stormi, you have me on ignore?
[12:25] <dwidmann> Stormi, if you're using the nvidia driver (as opposed to vesa/nv), run the command "nvidia-settings"
[12:26] <wolferine> thanks dwidmann
[12:26] <bet4> wolferine: uhm, streaming media doenst work....flashplugin install dindt work (at least as its supposed to) amarok failed to iprocess several albums when building collection
[12:26] <dwidmann> or better
[12:26] <dwidmann> "sudo nvidia-settings"
[12:26] <Daisuke_Ido> o_O
[12:26] <bet4> uhm, graphic cards driver installation was strange as well
[12:26] <bet4> dunno
[12:26] <Stormi> Sorry, wolferine, what had you said? I missed it, let me check
[12:26] <wolferine> bet4,  I as asking more specifically about you Azerus issues
[12:26] <wolferine> and I am sorry to hear that
[12:26] <bet4> and ktorrent doesnt work anymore of course ;)
[12:27] <owner> ktorrent still works for me
[12:27] <dwidmann> heh, I missed it too :P
[12:27] <owner> on kubuntu 6.06
[12:27] <bet4> wolferine: oh ok sorry....uhm, i just dont like it much....it seems to take alot ressources and generally is too bloated with features i perosnally dont ever need
[12:27] <Daisuke_Ido> works on 6.10 here, but that means little
[12:28] <bet4> it might be great i dunno...its just not my taste i guess
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Arwen , not working;   /bin/rm: Argument list too long
[12:28] <wolferine> bet4 correct, thats all true
[12:28] <wolferine> unless you have 3GB of rAM :)
[12:28] <Arwen> BluesKaj, uh, weird, what exact command?
[12:28] <bet4> hehe
[12:28] <bet4> thats what it seemed like to me
[12:29] <wolferine> well, I liked utorrent, on my win machine
[12:29] <wolferine> its was handy
[12:29] <bet4> torrent? yes thats what i used on windows
[12:29] <bet4> but ktorrent seemed to be great
[12:29] <wolferine> but all torrent apps seem to suck the life outta a computer, same with kazza
[12:29] <bet4> if only it would work
[12:29] <wolferine> or what ever it was called
[12:29] <Arwen> wolferine, really? utorrent for Win32 runs very fast
[12:30] <wolferine> i never said fast
[12:30] <Arwen> and although a memory hog, azureus runs well too
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Arwen : rm *filename*
[12:30] <wolferine> but it was the best I had used...
[12:30] <Arwen> BluesKaj, hmm, try with one "*"
[12:30] <wolferine> torrent != fast
[12:30] <owner> test
[12:30] <wolferine> torrent == get anything
[12:30] <subone> whats a link to installing the third party codecs, the one from help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats is invalid.
[12:31] <bet4> which is another good gui client for linux beside bittornado, azureus qtorrent?
[12:31] <Arwen> subone, I might be able to tell you right here, what codecs?
[12:31] <Arwen> bet4, ktorrent?
[12:31] <wolferine> subone, use the ubuntu guide
[12:31] <dwidmann> subone, well, if you don't mind doing it by hand, you can find it at mplayerhq.hu
[12:31] <subone> all of them
[12:31] <Arwen> bet4, other than that, your choices are a little limited
[12:31] <subone> all the mplayer ones
[12:31] <bet4> Arwen: uhm, its the third time now i tell you ktorrent doesnt work for me i think x)
[12:31] <Arwen> subone, w32codecs, mplayerhq.hu (thought it was ru?)
[12:31] <subone> Yea I used to know the link to an mplayer kubuntu one
[12:31] <bet4> which is the only reason im looking for a different onme
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> bet4: http://pingpong-abc.sourceforge.net/index.php
[12:32] <Arwen> bet4, sorry, you didn't list it - your choices are a little limited
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> i haven't used it personally, but it looks fairly streamlined
[12:32] <bet4> arwen: np didnt want to sound rude
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> based on bittornado
[12:33] <dwidmann> Oh, and subone, the tar.bz2 of the win32 codecs on mplayerhq.hu, you need to extract it to /usr/lib/win32
[12:33] <bet4> Daisuke_Ido: it isnt in the repos so i dont even bother at the moment, thx though
[12:33] <wolferine> subone, google ubuntu guide
[12:33] <wolferine> it gives them all you need
[12:34] <wolferine> and then some
[12:37] <crazy1291> Hi, I have been trying to add another slave drive to this comp, and it is kinda working...but not completely
[12:38] <crazy1291> It is recognized in Bios and Kubuntu sees it but I cannot mount it
[12:38] <mike__> Iwireless for "atheros" in herd 5 is a little flakey
[12:39] <crazy1291> Is there a simple command that makes Kubuntu mount the secondary hard disk?
[12:40] <crazy1291> mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:40] <crazy1291> Please check that the device is plugged correctly.
[12:41] <Mena> Why when i update,  doesnt update my kernel to 2.6.20 instead of 2.6.17
[12:41] <bet4> what do have to install via pt to get mldonkey?
[12:41] <mervteck> anyone here play Unreal2k4 on Linux?
[12:41] <bet4> apt
[12:41] <Arwen> no
[12:41] <Arwen> would, but I don't buy software
[12:42] <mervteck> lols
[12:42] <bet4> i has the guifrontends but no mldonkey itself
[12:42] <mervteck> Unreal games are worth it!
[12:42] <mervteck> they work great in linux and its not an emulation!
[12:42] <bet4> it has gkrellm-mldonkey
[12:42] <bet4> thats the right one?
[12:43] <bet4> nope it isnt
[12:43] <bet4> thats hilarious the repos serve several gui frontends but not the program itself
[12:43] <bet4> i could kick ubuntu to the trash bin at the moment
[12:44] <Shaezsche> how can i upgrade from the latest alpha to the new beta?
[12:44] <Shaezsche> dist upgrade possible?
[12:45] <nixternal> Shaezsche: sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:45] <Shaezsche> i just did that, it doesnt
[12:45] <nixternal> Shaezsche: if you have been doing the upgrades on a daily basis you are good to go
[12:45] <Shaezsche> oh!
[12:45] <Shaezsche> so i am using theb eta....?
[12:45] <Shaezsche> lol
[12:45] <nixternal> Shaezsche: yes, that is because there was a freeze for the past day or so for beta
[12:45] <nixternal> Shaezsche: as long as you sudo apt-get update and there is nothing to upgrade, you are newer than beta :)
[12:46] <Shaezsche> hey, is 10% non-contiguous abnormal?
[12:47] <waylandbill> beta is out as of today. play with it if you're daring. :-D
[12:48] <Arwen> Shaezsche, kind of
[12:48] <Arwen> I've gotton to 35%
[12:48] <Shaezsche> OMFG
[12:48] <Shaezsche> is there a way to fix it?
[12:49] <Arwen> Shaezsche, it's not actually a performance issue, don't bother
[12:49] <Arwen> on ext2/3, fragmented files usually stay near their shards, so the performance hit is negligible
[12:49] <Shaezsche> well, i suspect my HD doesnt support journaling
[12:49] <Shaezsche> i read about it on a forum post
[12:49] <Mena> waylandbill, i just updated my edgy how to upgrade to fiesty beta is there a tool , right ? if there what its name ?
[12:49] <Shaezsche> its a 120gb samsung notebook HD
[12:49] <Shaezsche> seems to work fine for me
[12:49] <Arwen> Shaezsche, it's not your HD that doesn't support journals, it's your filesystem
[12:49] <Arwen> the journal is just a section of your HDD dedicated to logging
[12:49] <Shaezsche> arwen i know that, but i heard my HDD doesnt
[12:50] <Shaezsche> its possible
[12:50] <Shaezsche> a strange HD bug
[12:50] <Shaezsche> nothing to do with software
[12:50] <Arwen> wtf? that makes no sense, the journal only has special meaning to the fs, it's just 1s and 0s
[12:50] <Shaezsche> i dunno man
[12:50] <Shaezsche> but i read it
[12:50] <Shaezsche> ill find you the post
[12:50] <Mena> or any one esle :)
[12:50] <waylandbill> Mena: not yet. you have to change sources to feisty. The upgrade tool is in the works
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> waylandbill: i'm testing it as we speak
[12:51] <Mena> waylandbill, ok Thanks :)
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> the download is taking a bit, however...
[12:51] <wolferine> where are icons saved?
[12:51] <Shaezsche> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1837696&highlight=samsung#post1837696 scroll down to the post by Roach7ka
[12:52] <Shaezsche> Arwen you still with me?
[12:52] <waylandbill> Mena: I've made code changes to it. so I can tell you it's in the works. :)
[12:52] <Arwen> Shaezsche, yeah, sorry
[12:52] <waylandbill> I have to sleep, so I have to run.
[12:52] <Mena> waylandbill, ok :)
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, that means i can blame waylandbill if this crashes :)
[12:53] <DominiK83> ciao a tutti
[12:53] <Mena> waylandbill, the upgrading also in the test right its not sure if it was safe yet ?
[12:53] <Arwen> Shaezsche, I think he's mistaken :-\
[12:53] <Shaezsche> well that might be, but ive read other posts with ppl having acpi problems
[12:53] <compilerwriter> ktorrent keeps stalling on me.  Is it not playing well with edgy?
[12:53] <Shaezsche> and they have my HD
[12:53] <Shaezsche> i can ONLY use a 386 kernel
[12:53] <Shaezsche> for some reason, all others wont speedstep
[12:53] <wolferine> where are icons saved?
[12:54] <SilentM> wolferine: /usr/share/pixmaps ?
[12:55] <Mena> wolferine, home>>$use$>.kde>icons
[12:55] <Shaezsche> what does this command do "acpi_fake_ecdt=1"
[12:56] <Mena> wolferine, if you was taliking abou the ThemeIcons
[12:56] <wolferine> i wasnt
[12:56] <wolferine> SilentM, got it
[12:56] <Mena> ok :)
[12:57] <ozgur> good night
[12:57] <ozgur> help me please
[12:57] <ozgur> iyi geceler
[12:57] <VorelAesthyr> ozgur whats the problem?
[12:58] <ozgur> m wannt listen to amarok mp3
[12:58] <ozgur> but wannt codec
[12:58] <Mena> Thanks People ..Bye
[12:59] <ozgur> kubuntu 3.5.2
[12:59] <Arwen> ozgur, install libxine-extracodecs
[12:59] <ozgur> how
[12:59] <ozgur> ??
[12:59] <Arwen> apt-get install <package>
[12:59] <ozgur> you give me html adress
[12:59] <Arwen> !mp3 > ozgur
[12:59] <Arwen> !apt > ozgur
[01:00] <ozgur> again please
[01:00] <ozgur>  understandt not you
[01:00] <Mena> Hey plz some see this error    http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11771/
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> ozgur: what's your native language?
[01:01] <ozgur> trkish
[01:02] <ozgur> trke bilen yok mu?
[01:02] <Mena> Did some one saw the erorr
[01:03] <Mena> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11771/
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> ozgur: you can try #ubuntu.tr or http://www.ubuntu-tr.com
[01:04] <ozgur> close
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[01:04] <ozgur>  see first but close
[01:05] <ozgur> daisuke are you japan?
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[01:05] <ozgur> :)
[01:05] <ozgur> thanks
[01:06] <ozgur> daisuke help me please
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> you're welcome.  sorry i couldn't be of more help
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> !mp3 > Daisuke_Ido
[01:06] <Mena> Hey plz some see this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11771/
[01:06] <ozgur>  wannt live my with penguin
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> ozgur: do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[01:08] <ozgur> http://eg.archive.ubuntu.com edgy-updates/main Sources
[01:08] <ozgur> you tell me please how activate?
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> you're using kde, right?
[01:09] <ozgur> right
[01:09] <ozgur> 3.5.2
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu 6.06?
[01:09] <ozgur> no
[01:10] <ozgur> kde 3.5.2
[01:11] <ozgur> thanks daisuke
[01:12] <ozgur>  wannt see
[01:12] <ozgur> net
[01:18] <familia> alguem br?
[01:18] <Mr_Sonoma> how do i play .wmv on linux? i've seen a website about it before but cant remember where i seen it.
[01:19] <mervteck> can u guys tell me what can unpack RAR files?
[01:19] <Daisuke_Ido> mervteck: unrar
[01:19] <familia> sudo apt-get install rar
[01:19] <Daisuke_Ido> Mr_Sonoma: might want to check out VLC media player
[01:20] <mervteck> E: Package rar has no installation candidate
[01:20] <slylyias> I can't install tor, when I do sudo apt-get install tor I get an error "tor: Depends: tsocks but it is not installable"
[01:20] <slylyias> What do I do?
[01:20] <Daisuke_Ido> !rar > mervteck
[01:21] <mervteck> !info unrar-free
[01:21] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[01:21] <familia> algum do Brasil testou o beta do kubuntu?
[01:21] <arman> any body hav any idea how to install fir fox for kubuntu?
[01:21] <Daisuke_Ido> k, so you'll have to enable the universe repository
[01:21] <Daisuke_Ido> arman: sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:21] <slylyias> How do I enable the universe repo?
[01:22] <arman> whe do i get sudo apt-get/
[01:22] <arman> ?
[01:22] <Mr_Sonoma> sudo apt-get is a command
[01:22] <Mr_Sonoma> use it in your terminal window
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> !repositories > slylyias
[01:22] <arman> oh ok
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> Mr_Sonoma: thank you
[01:22] <familia> does someone here talk portuguese?
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> Mr_Sonoma: VLC help at all?
[01:23] <Mr_Sonoma> np..that was one i knew the answer to =)
[01:23] <Daisuke_Ido> familia: #ubuntu-br i think
[01:23] <mervteck> ok i installed unrar-free but what do i type in when i try to run it or open a rar with it
[01:23] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, there's still a whole lot i don't know
[01:23] <slylyias> !info tsocks
[01:23] <ubotu> tsocks: transparent network access through a SOCKS 4 or 5 proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8beta5-2 (edgy), package size 209 kB, installed size 548 kB
[01:23] <slylyias> Okay, so I do need to enable the universe and that should solve it, right?
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> should do, yes
[01:24] <orange1> FYI: NEW!! dell drivers are out for wifi
[01:24] <slylyias> thank you
[01:24] <mervteck> ewwwww dell!
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> mervteck: unrar?
[01:24] <fish__> kubuntu feisty beta = beauty <3
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> mervteck: say what you will, their laptops aren't bad
[01:24] <orange1> exactly - dell is only good for monitors + lappys
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> fish__: don't rub it in, i'm still waiting for it all to download :D
[01:24] <Mr_Sonoma> im reading about the vlc program now.
[01:25] <Mr_Sonoma> thank you
[01:25] <mervteck> only the XPS's are ok, as well as monitors, desktops they might as well just blow them up in a hole
[01:25] <Daisuke_Ido> 65%
[01:25] <fish__> Daisuke_Ido: aww, hehe. I installed it a few hours ago but only could test it now...it's great, so far
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm looking at a dell laptop.  my fiancee bought her toshiba (eww) for $1300 a couple years back, i'm thinking i can put together a good laptop for less than a grand :)
[01:26] <orange1> also new ndiswrapper version is out today! wow did i pick a good day to reformat cuz of wifi issues...
[01:26] <fish__> missing a linuxdcpp deb file, but other than that...awesome :)
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> never been much for dc++ myself
[01:27] <slylyias> I live on a college campus, DC++ is life.
[01:27] <fish__> yeah, it is <3
[01:27] <slylyias> fish what campus you from?
[01:27] <mervteck> anyone up for teachin meh some C++? =D
[01:27] <fish__> switzerland...st. gallen
[01:27] <mervteck> ready and willing!
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> dc++ != c++ :D
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> directconnect
[01:28] <mervteck> =O
[01:28] <fish__> what hub u b using slylyias?
[01:29] <orange1> lol
[01:29] <slylyias> my campus has a hub
[01:29] <fish__> oh wow...no k3b 1.0 for feisty?
[01:29] <slylyias> only on the intranet
[01:29] <fish__> slylyias: I see...hehe, that's pretty cool
[01:29] <slylyias> IS feisty released now or still beta?
[01:29] <fish__> still beta
[01:29] <orange1> still alpha?
[01:29] <slylyias> Keeps the RIAA off our backs.
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> just went beta today
[01:29] <slylyias> ah, cool
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> but then again, ubuntu beta > MS retail
[01:30] <slylyias> I've still not gotten edgy running right, so not going feisty.
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> but i didn't officially say that
[01:30] <fish__> private hubs and encryption keep the RIAA off your back anyway, no intranet needed
[01:30] <slylyias> I can't access my external hard drive, can use my TV tuner card, can't get tor working to bypass the irc port blockage of my campus....
[01:30] <familia> if I upgrade kubuntu edgy in portuguese to the kubuntu feisty beta, it will still be in portuguese?
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> i've never had any luck with dc++, i think that's why i've been turned off to it
[01:31] <slylyias> so I'm still working on my comp
[01:31] <fish__> linuxdc++ is a *great* dc client...the best for linux (by far!)
[01:31] <orange1> can someone explain this?
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> i have never gotten a single file to download, even with sharing 100gb+
[01:31] <fish__> 1.0 should be out soon
[01:31] <fish__> only the translations are missing...
[01:31] <orange1> orange@FruitBowl:~$ sudo echo blacklist bcm43xx >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[01:31] <orange1> bash: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist: Permission denied
[01:31] <arman> hey im trying to install macromedia for kubuntu
[01:31] <arman> and this is what it is saying
[01:31] <arman> NOTE: Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the
[01:31] <arman>       components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.
[01:31] <arman> chmod: cannot access `/home/arman/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so': No such file or directory
[01:32] <enotee> if i'm going to set a dual boot with  XP wich os should i load first
[01:32] <fish__> xp
[01:33] <ConstyXIV> can you have the little tooltips on the taskbar show previews of the windows?
[01:33] <Alonea> allo
[01:34] <fish__> bedtime, nite guys. great beta, thanks! zzZzzZzzZzzz....
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> ConstyXIV: with plain old kde, no.  beryl can, though
[01:34] <familia> is there a brazilian ubuntu irc?
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> !br | familia
[01:35] <ubotu> familia: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> there we go
[01:35] <ConstyXIV> Daisuke_Ido: wonderful.  me without my opengl-less gfxchip.  opera can do it though
[01:35] <ConstyXIV> with tabs that is
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't think it's that kde *can't* do it, just that it doesn't
[01:36] <familia> Obrigado, ubotu!
[01:36] <Alonea> Ok, gonna try one more time to fix this before reformatting system. Adept uninstalled my fglrx and now I can't get it to reinstally my video card. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11592/  Even Envy gets same error. and I DO have all those packages.
[01:37] <user_> hey all qucik question, i have a pc which i am abt to install kubuntu on, but it is a dual core chip.  to take advantage of this chip, is there an alternate installation cd i should be using?  ie 64
[01:38] <smoze> nope
[01:38] <Alonea> user_: there IS a 64bit version, but I didn't care for it myself...
[01:38] <user_> see that 64bit version, is that only for AMD based???
[01:39] <arman> does anyone know how to install macromedia flash for kubuntu?
[01:39] <user_> becasue i would like to take advantage of 64bit computing, so wondering in advance
[01:39] <Alonea> user_: not sure. I guess. most people with 64 have amd64...i guess you could try it if you wanted, but I think you will be better off with regular
[01:39] <user_> but regular wont utilize the chip, will it?
[01:39] <smoze> i have dual core and i installed regular... works fine
[01:39] <Daisuke_Ido> there's no pressing reason to use the 64 bit distro unless you have >4gb ram
[01:40] <Daisuke_Ido> it will use both cores, yes
[01:40] <wdq> guys, my mouse isn't working
[01:40] <Alonea> user_: yeah, it will do that, but if you want 64bit video stuff....*shudder*
[01:41] <wdq> my mouse suddenly ceased working, anyway to get it to work short of rebooting?
[01:41] <user_> 4gb of ram!?  no way...... crap.  and im on another dual core pc right now, and yah its the normal distro and works fine, but i worry abt multitasking
[01:42] <wdq> user_: 64bit and dual core are two different things
[01:42] <user_> thats why on the other pc i wanted to try it out on 64bit
[01:42] <wdq> 64 is increase cpu command length
[01:42] <user_> erm...... say waht now?  seriously?
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> user_: there's no real compelling reason (YET) to use the 64 bit version.  plus, there's no flash, no wine, and a few other problems
[01:43] <wdq> ya because there are 64 bit as opposed to 32 bit more memory can be accessed
[01:43] <user_> iccc.... so wait on 32 bit mode it fully utilizes the dual core?
[01:43] <wdq> 32 bit commands*
[01:43] <wdq> 64 bit and dual core have nothing to do with each other
[01:43] <user_> oooo.... crap, i didnt know that
[01:43] <wdq> except any processor which is dual core likely also has a 64 bit architecture built in
[01:44] <user_> dang....  well thatnks all for straightening that one out
[01:44] <user_> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[01:44] <user_> ic ic
[01:44] <wdq> you can still give 64 bit a try
[01:44] <user_> ok thats where the confusion is
[01:44] <wdq> supposedly is much faster
[01:44] <slylyias> I am using the 64 bit because I didn't hear this conversation before. :(
[01:44] <wdq> although getting some things to work is a hassle
[01:44] <user_> meh, as long as the dual core is utilized in 32 bit i, thats all that matters
[01:44] <slylyias> Already installed 64 bit and can't get stuff working yet.
[01:44] <Daisuke_Ido> wdq: like i said, flash, wine, etc.
[01:44] <wdq> actually
[01:45] <BluesKaj> I mistakenly ended up with a list of vob files when trying to copy a dvd...now I have what looks lie vob file for every frame that as copied before i realized my mistake ...now my /home/username file is full of empty .vob files . Can I remove these files with a commands in the terminal instead doing thousands of mouse clicks to delete them ?
[01:45] <wdq> UT2k4 has a linux native 64 bit version
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: rm *.vob
[01:45] <slylyias> bluesKAj: rm *.vob
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> hehe
[01:45] <bet4> how do i open several bookmarks in tabs at once?
[01:45] <slylyias> Hey, it's rare I know an answer in here Daisuke_Ido
[01:45] <bet4> in konqi
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> it's okay
[01:46] <slylyias> That one I could handle. :)
[01:46] <wdq> my mouse suddenly ceased working, anyway to get it to work short of rebooting?
[01:46] <user_> ok sounds good, im just going to go ahead with the normal alternate cd and set up a dual boot.  thanks everyone for the feeback
[01:46] <user_> !
[01:46] <wdq> I'm just lucky I had this window open
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> wdq: give it cheese, that always works for mine.
[01:46] <wdq> srsly.
[01:46] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido  , bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
[01:46] <wdq> I have yakuake open
[01:47] <wdq> what would be the command to restart mouse drivers or something?
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> i can always tell when my mouse stops working because the network dies.  gotta keep the router running somehow, and i'm cheap.
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> anyway
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> you could always ctrl-alt-backspace to restart kdm, that's about the only thing i can think of
[01:47] <wdq> grr
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> quicker tan rebooting at least
[01:47] <wdq> prolly what I'll do
[01:47] <wdq> adios
[01:48] <BluesKaj> slylyias , well I'm afraid to disappoint you .. bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long :(
[01:48] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: open konqueror and do it the windows way.  change the view to detailed list and click on the first, shift-click the last and shift-delete
[01:48] <slylyias> BlueKaj: rm *.vob
[01:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i hate recommending someone do that, but it's a possibility
[01:48] <Daisuke_Ido> slylyias: it didn't work
[01:49] <slylyias> if you're getting that and getting an argument list too long, you had a space in there, or you've aliased rm to something else
[01:50] <slylyias> I need an IRC client that supports proxies, which should I us Daisuke_Ido?
[01:50] <BluesKaj> no I didn't alias rm to do anything else
[01:50] <slylyias> use even
[01:50] <smoze> speaking of removing files... how do i remove a file wich has invalid name?
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> slylyias: kvirc or xchat?
[01:51] <slylyias> Thansk, just installed kvirc anyhow
[01:51] <slylyias> so that will work
[01:51] <slylyias> brb
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> awww yeah.  download done, upgrading now :D
[01:52] <bet4> does anyone using mldonkey in here or kdmldonkey for that matter?
[01:52] <SuN> Am I correct in assuming 6.10 is the preferred version for a relatively stable desktop?
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> if you want rock solid stability, there's 6.06
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> 6.10 gets newer stuff, but still really stable
[01:53] <orange1> i wouldnt say 'really stable'
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> relatively stable
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> compared to windows :D
[01:53] <SuN> Heh, what kind of issues am I looking at?
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> personally i haven't run into any
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> but i know people have issues with torrent clients
[01:54] <epimeth> is there a jigdo download for feisty beta?
[01:54] <firephoto> SuN: how stable are you looking for?
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> other miscellaneous problems that i'm not sure about
[01:54] <SuN> Hm, well this is going to be a business desktop.
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> 6.06
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> no question
[01:54] <pyrotix> ya
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> long term support
[01:54] <orange1> im going to test the stability of edgy right now - reboot should take 41-43 seconds -- but i installed wifi drivers and its time to watch it take 3-4 minutes
[01:55] <pyrotix> you wwant dapper
[01:55] <bet4> Daisuke_Ido: was that a joke towards my direction or is it really a common problem  that bittorrent doenst work?
[01:55] <SuN> Alright then... but am I not going to run into outdated stuff?
[01:55] <bet4> im just curious
[01:55] <pyrotix> SuN: personally I've found gnome more stable than kde
[01:55] <firephoto> SuN: it still depends on what you're doing with it. yes, you'll be a bit outdate with stuff.
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> bet4: yours isn't the first time i've heard that
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> not joking
[01:56] <SuN> Well I'll be running a fairly limited set of applications, I guess.
[01:56] <bet4> as i really seem to have problems running any torrent-client aside from azureus
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> a bit outdated, but still well ahead of debian stable :)
[01:56] <bet4> Daisuke_Ido: oh ok, interesting
[01:56] <reagleBRKLN> having trouble with my samba configs working in feisty beta...
[01:56] <firephoto> konqueror has improved quite a bit in the last year.
[01:56] <SuN> Firefox or Opera, Crossover office with MS Office, kpdf and Thunderbird, that's about it (I realize that's a lot of GTK apps)
[01:57] <bet4> a general question is 1 GB not really enough for kde in the default configuration kubuntu installs?
[01:57] <SuN> I run KDE on Slamd64 on this desktop and it does not ever crash on me, should I expect that from either Dapper or Edgy?
[01:57] <Daisuke_Ido> bet4: no, not really, not if you want room to expand
[01:58] <Daisuke_Ido> SuN: more likely with dapper than edgy
[01:58] <Daisuke_Ido> the only times i've had kde issues were when playing around with beryl
[01:58] <SuN> I guess there aren't any statistics? ;)
[01:58] <bet4> Daisuke_Ido: bummer....i need to turn of some the eye candy...hope that helps
[01:58] <compilerwriter> bet4 I am having troubles with torrent as well.
[01:58] <ConstyXIV> SuN: the only gtk you mentioned are firefox and thinderbird
[01:58] <Daisuke_Ido> bet4: wait
[01:58] <bet4> its slow too often
[01:58] <Daisuke_Ido> hdd space or ram?
[01:58] <SuN> That's half of them :)
[01:59] <bet4> compilerwriter: wow thats great! ;)
[01:59] <Alonea> Ok, gonna try one more time to fix this before reformatting system. Adept uninstalled my fglrx and now I can't get it to reinstally my video card. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11592/  Even Envy gets same error. and I DO have all those packages.
[01:59] <SuN> Crossover too if you count static apps.
[01:59] <orange1> 1m42s to boot -- why Daisuke_Ido, o why...
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> bet4: if you're talking about ram, i have 1gb and use beryl with no slowdown at all
[01:59] <ConstyXIV> crossover uses win32
[01:59] <bet4> compilerwriter:  not really though...but at least its not me being braindead again (this time at least) ;)
[01:59] <compilerwriter> bet4 not at all great, but at least you know you probably didn't do it.
[01:59] <SuN> If I install Dapper, is it possible to seamlesly update it to Edgy or another stable release if I choose to do so?
[02:00] <SuN> seamlessly even
[02:00] <firephoto> SuN: should be ok.
[02:00] <SuN> Alright, I guess I'll go with Dapper first then.
[02:00] <bet4> compilerwriter: yup thats what i meant ;) hope you get it fixed...did you try azureus...i dont like it a bit...but its the only one working so far here
[02:00] <firephoto> SuN: i'd start with edgy unless you're needing long term support.
[02:00] <Daisuke_Ido> firephoto: this is for a business desktop, so stability > newness
[02:00] <orange1> alot of wires get crossed in the background... why not just try dapper -- then format again for edgy
[02:00] <firephoto> edgy is better, just no lts tag.
[02:01] <compilerwriter> bet4 does it have a gui?
[02:01] <arman> hey im a first time user how shud i play my media files on kubuntu?
[02:01] <bet4> Daisuke_Ido: hm, its really slow for me sometimes 2.4 GH z PIV and 1 GB ram....maybe turning the settings down a bit will help
[02:01] <ConstyXIV> arman: amarok and kaffiene
[02:01] <firephoto> arman: video, kaffeine is the default.  audio goes to amarok.
[02:01] <compilerwriter> bet4 I have sent apt to get it azureus.
[02:01] <arman> but it says some file missing
[02:01] <ConstyXIV> arman: amarok == music manager, kaffiene is video
[02:02] <ConstyXIV> arman: oh
[02:02] <Daisuke_Ido> vlc for video :D
[02:02] <ConstyXIV> !restrictedformats | arman
[02:02] <ubotu> arman: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:02] <orange1> beryl is really fast for me since the format... c2d 2.16ghz / 2gb ddr2 667mhz
[02:02] <pyrotix> I hate kaffeine
[02:02] <bet4> compiler: the biggest bloated one you could imagine...its java....it needs too much ressources and it comes with a billion of features nobody probably really ever needs
[02:02] <bet4> hm, ktorrent was neat
[02:02] <arman> i want to play mp3 formats
[02:02] <SuN> Hm, with the risk of wanting to be bleeding edge on a business desktop... is the amd64 version multilib? :)
[02:02] <arman> but it says it doesnt work
[02:02] <pyrotix> ktorrent ftw
[02:02] <ConstyXIV> arman: install libxine-extracodecs
[02:03] <arman> wher do i find that?
[02:03] <pyrotix> adept/synaptic/ apt-get
[02:03] <ConstyXIV> arman: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs, or find it in adept if you want
[02:03] <ConstyXIV> arman: first one is done in the Konsole
[02:03] <firephoto> SuN: I wouldn't even bother with amd64 unless you need the performance from building or encoding stuff. multimedia isn't so smooth there if you need that.
[02:03] <arman> thank you :)
[02:04] <ConstyXIV> no problem
[02:04] <compilerwriter> bet4 what is the command line to fire it up.  I am doing X over ssh from the inlaws house.
[02:04] <SuN> Well it's a business desktop, so that's not really an issue. It's just that I'd be needing a 32bit browser so I can have Flash.
[02:05] <SuN> Or experiment with 64bit firefox and that 32bit plugin interface, but that sounds risky.
[02:05] <arman> constyXIV> i try to play it on amarok but it just plays and in one second it says playlist finsihed
[02:05] <firephoto> stick with the i386 version. you won't notice a difference for normal use.
[02:05] <SuN> Alright, I guess I'll do that.
[02:06] <bet4> compilerwriter: im a complete noob...but i think a simple "azureus" will do
[02:06] <bet4> wait...
[02:06] <bet4> compilerwriter: it does for me
[02:06] <ConstyXIV> arman: have you restarted amarok after installing that?
[02:06] <bet4> "azureus"
[02:06] <SuN> Thanks for the input!
[02:06] <ConstyXIV> i use mldonkey for torrents, since it runs as a daemon
[02:07] <arman> yes i have
[02:07] <compilerwriter> good Lord it does hog resources
[02:07] <bet4> ConstyXIV: i tried that too...having a client for all networks sounds tempting..and it didnt seem bloated in the klmdonkey version...but unfortunately it didnt connect as well
[02:08] <bet4> compilerwriter: yes its a complet epile of rubbish imho
[02:08] <ConstyXIV> arman: go to help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats, and follow those instructions
[02:08] <compilerwriter> It appears to be a complete epile of excrement.
[02:08] <bet4> hehe
[02:08] <tuxligo> no, use ktorrent for torrent
[02:08] <arman> thank u
[02:09] <ConstyXIV> personally, i think azureus is utter crap
[02:09] <firephoto> it does work good though
[02:09] <bet4> ConstyXIV: what did you put in as location for mlnet if i might ask...maybe i messed that up?
[02:09] <ConstyXIV> bet4: ?
[02:09] <bet4> ConstyXIV: in mldonkey i mean...or dont you use a gui?
[02:09] <firephoto> latest ktorrent seems to be working ok again too, had some issues for a few versions.
[02:10] <ConstyXIV> bet4: oh, do you mean the core?
[02:10] <arman> thank you everyone bye
[02:10] <Mena> Can Some one see this error plz http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1177
[02:10] <bet4> ConstyXIV: yes
[02:10] <SuN> Helaas, de door U gevraagde pagina kon niet worden gevonden.
[02:11] <ConstyXIV> bet4: i'll either use the web interface (pretty decent actually) at http://localhost:4080, or use the kmldonkey, connecting to localhost
[02:11] <firephoto> Mena: bad url ?
[02:11] <Mena> firephoto , i dont know this is my source lst ..sc plz
[02:12] <ConstyXIV> bet4: if you want, ill just put my config for kmldonkey in the pastebin
[02:12] <firephoto> Mena: no, that pastebin url doesn't work...
[02:12] <Mena> ohhh okay
[02:12] <Mena> sec plz
[02:13] <bet4> ConstyXIV: hm i put in /home/beta/.mldonkey/ and /usr/bin/mlnet as a path to mlnet..putting a hostname in there sounds weird to me?
[02:13] <bet4> but ill give it a go
[02:13] <bet4> ConstyXIV: if you dont mind.. it cant hurt i guess
[02:13] <bet4> i would like to test this program as im using soulseek from time to time
[02:13] <ConstyXIV> bet4: the hostname is what you want, it's designed to be remote-able
[02:15] <ConstyXIV> bet4: actually, i have no clue where the config is
[02:16] <ConstyXIV> just follow the wizard, or run mlnet and load up the webui
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> pray for me
[02:16] <Skuller> ForgeAus: you there man??
[02:17] <ConstyXIV> Daisuke_Ido: May You be Touched by His Noodly Appendage.  RAmen :)
[02:17] <Skuller> ForgeAus: i need some serious help!!!
[02:18] <Mena> firephoto, Hey this is my source list and the error i get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11785/
[02:21] <firephoto> Mena: i think it's a problem with your firewall maybe, or a proxy. doesn't seem to just happen on the ubuntu repos.
[02:22] <Mena> i dont use proxy or even use a firewall prog
[02:22] <firephoto> might just be the servers stressing under the beta load. you could try another mirror besides 'eg' maybe.
[02:23] <Mena> i dont but if it was bec of strees i will wait
[02:24] <Mena> i dont know*
[02:24] <firephoto> http://eg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/multiverse/source/Sources.gz shows up here as a gz file.
[02:25] <firephoto> Mena: i think you get the error because it downloads as html. seems to be what happens to others when i searched for that error.
[02:25] <Mena> okay so
[02:27] <kofler> What could this possibly mean? http://phpfi.com/218856
[02:27] <firephoto> kofler: is that bluetooth logs or something?
[02:28] <kofler> firephoto: As it clearly says in the description, "When I called ssh -vvv user@server and got the following. What could possibly be wrong?"
[02:29] <firephoto> kofler: ahh, missed the part in the blue header. .. nevermind then.
[02:34] <Alonea> my friend is building his own computer and was wondering if most video cards work with linux? he was thinking an nvidia geforce 7950 gt.
[02:35] <posingaspopular> Alonea, google linux compatablity list
[02:35] <posingaspopular> you'll find a site that help out with that
[02:36] <posingaspopular> i forgot the url
[02:36] <Jisao> Is that the proper command to copy drive A on drive B:  sudo dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb ?
[02:36] <Alonea> posingaspopular: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/ ?
[02:36] <posingaspopular> sounds about right
[02:38] <jmichaelx> Alonea: you should have no problems with annything from nvidia
[02:38] <intelikey> well i think i did it.    anyone want to test a script that could potentally hose your whole box ?   heh
[02:39] <intelikey> requires a free partition.
[02:39] <Alonea> jmichaelx: alright. shall tell him
[02:40] <intelikey> didn't much figure i would get more than 40 or 50 violenteers in here  hehhe
[02:40] <Mena> firephoto, thanks :)
[02:40] <Mena> Bye
[02:40] <soulrider_> intelikey: volunteers for what ?
[02:41] <intelikey> testing my "migrate.sh" script
[02:41] <soulrider_> i see
[02:41] <soulrider_> yeah i just scrolled up :P
[02:41] <soulrider_> if i had a free partition i would totally help you
[02:41] <intelikey> that's either very brave or very false    lol
[02:42] <soulrider_> i wouldnt lie to you
[02:42] <soulrider_> i really dont care about forking up my PC
[02:42] <soulrider_> unless i screw up hardware
[02:42] <soulrider_> software, its all good, it doesnt cost me any money
[02:43] <intelikey> i don't see any way it could break anything but it sure could leave you booting a live CD and reinstalling.    i tried to make sure it wouldn't "IF" the correct answers to the questions it ask are given....
[02:44] <Arwen> anyone here?
[02:44] <Arwen> !feisty
[02:44] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[02:44] <Arwen> !seveas
[02:44] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:44] <Arwen> ick
[02:44] <intelikey> Arwen wb.
[02:44] <Arwen> intelikey, hello
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> ...
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> feisty is, so far, not my friend
[02:45] <Jisao> what's your script, intelikey
[02:45] <Arwen> so, has anyone here used feisty?
[02:45] <beta> ConstyXIV: when using mldonkey webinterface what should mldonkey do after you put an utl in the download section?
[02:45] <intelikey> Jisao have a look.
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: yeah, using it now, and had to drop back to nv
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> going to see if i can install the proprietary driver and make this work
[02:46] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, hmm, so you would say that you do not recommend upgrading now?
[02:47] <Daisuke_Ido> i won't say that, but the upgrade tool crashed on me
[02:47] <Arwen> hmm
[02:47] <Daisuke_Ido> going from a cd would probably be better
[02:47] <intelikey> Jisao i was asked one day to write a script to facelitate the easy migration from one partition to another without having to reinstall.   that's my attempt.   i finnally got to it.
[02:47] <Jisao> i see
[02:48] <Arwen> intelikey, oh? um, wouldn't that just be cp -R /mnt/part1/* /mnt/part2 && grub-install part2 ?
[02:48] <firephoto> Arwen: feisty is fine here, probably depends on your setup though.
[02:48] <Arwen> firephoto, hmm, I've a 2 year old Dell with ATI video and Intel P4 CPU
[02:48] <intelikey> Arwen if you boot something besides the system you want to migrate.
[02:48] <Arwen> firephoto, not too unique, what do ya think?
[02:49] <intelikey> Arwen and you setup the fstab and boot loader by hand...
[02:49] <firephoto> except for the ati video you should be good. no idea on what makes ati tick. heh
[02:49] <Arwen> intelikey, ah - um, still, this sounds like something that would be remarkably smarter to do manually
[02:49] <Arwen> firephoto, yeah, I just use xorg's drivers. I had a bad experience with fglrx (they finally support GL_texture_from_pixmap, but not composite, wtf?)
[02:50] <firephoto> Arwen: i've seen some fixes go in xorg for ati so you're probably fine.
[02:50] <intelikey> Arwen oh and i hope you meant -a not -R  ^
[02:50] <Arwen> yay
[02:50] <Arwen> intelikey, hmm
[02:51] <soulrider_> intelikey: what is it that you doe xactly in Ubuntu?
[02:51] <Arwen> firephoto, so, you notice anything great in the world of feisty?
[02:51] <soulrider_> i would like to gte involved more
[02:51] <soulrider_> since i <3 ubuntu :D
[02:51] <Arwen> intelikey, ^^
[02:52] <intelikey> soulrider_ soulrider_ there is a page dedicated to that question on the site.
[02:52] <soulrider_> intelikey:  link? =P
[02:52] <firephoto> Arwen: it works great with my G965 system. so that's almost 100% better than edgy. heh
[02:52] <voidmage> Any way to fill out pdf forms in kpdf?
[02:53] <intelikey> !contribute
[02:53] <ubotu> To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[02:53] <soulrider_> thanks intelikey
[02:53] <intelikey> np
[02:53] <Daisuke_Ido> looks like nvidia's site doesn't like me very much
[02:53] <soulrider_> im gonna go ahve dinner now, bbl
[02:53] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, HAHA
[02:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i'll get this driver eventualy
[02:53] <nomad111> how do i set up samba to share a folder
[02:53] <Daisuke_Ido> 15k/s
[02:54] <nomad111> its mind boggling
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> awww yeah
[02:54] <Jisao> you launch your script from a liveCD?
[02:54] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, HAHA, I could upload it to you faster than that
[02:54] <enotee> is there a kubuntu server?
[02:54] <Arwen> nomad111, uh, I assume kubuntu has some kind of share control panel?
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: that's what i mean, it's nuts
[02:54] <nomad111> my brother is using windows on the other computer and im in kubuntu and i want to share a folder
[02:54] <intelikey> Jisao me ?   no the running system.
[02:54] <Arwen> enotee, why the hell would you want kde on a server?
[02:54] <Arwen> nomad111, there's a ton of samba guides on ubuntuforums
[02:55] <intelikey> Jisao it's not suited to the liveCD really.
[02:55] <voidmage> Any way to fill out pdf forms in kpdf?
[02:55] <Jisao> Just asking, because I am not very familiar with this kind of testing, that's why I am asking how you run it.
[02:55] <nomad111> Arwen: i cant get it to share dammit
[02:56] <Arwen> intelikey, wait, you suggest migrating your system while still online? that sounds remarkably stupid
[02:56] <nomad111> Arwen: can u point me to a guide
[02:56] <nomad111> Arwen: its driving me nuts
[02:56] <intelikey> Arwen thank you.
[02:56] <Arwen> nomad111, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
[02:57] <Arwen> nomad111, sometimes routers don't come with dns servers, so you might wanna attach a hostsfile listing for your box
[02:57] <Arwen> intelikey, well, still, wouldn't you wanna do that while your system isn't running?
[02:57] <Arwen> sounds safer
[02:58] <intelikey> Arwen well i don't think so...  maybe you know something i don't.        i do realize that /var/tmp can change in the middle of things  but that really shouldn't cause a problem after reboot....   do you want to look at the script ?
[02:58] <Arwen> sure
[03:00] <nomad111> Arwen: how do i find my workgroup name in kubuntu
[03:02] <Skuller> ForgeAus: you there man?..i need some help
[03:02] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  Does anyone use kxdocker with Beryl?
[03:02] <calcmandan> Running 6.06.1. Attempted to setup wireless so that it would activate the connection at boot. Had been using wlassistant and went into System Settings -> Network Settings -> and setup ra0 to activate during boot. Now, it won't load beyond network configuration during boot., I'm on the machine now using a live disc. Any advice?
[03:03] <Skuller> hello can anyone recomment me an 'objectdock/rocketdock' kinda thing?
[03:06] <Agnostic> Beryl are using heavily the system resources in "real life"?
[03:06] <wolferine> nomad111, so you can change it?
[03:10] <calcmandan> Running 6.06.1. Attempted to setup wireless so that it would activate the connection at boot. Had been using wlassistant and went into System Settings -> Network Settings -> and setup ra0 to activate during boot. Now, it won't load beyond network configuration during boot., I'm on the machine now using a live disc. Any advice?
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> okiedokie, got the nvidia driver reinstalled
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> beryl seems to be working properly
[03:10] <Skuller> recommendation for a mac like dock please
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> and you know, i don't see much difference between this and edgy.
[03:11] <calcmandan> damn, got booted
[03:18] <ebovine_> hey
[03:18] <soulrider_> yay! i just filed my first bug report
[03:18] <soulrider_> hi ebovine_
[03:18] <soulrider_> Skuller: kiba dock ?
[03:19] <soulrider_> Skuller: i also remember seing some in kde-look.org
[03:19] <Skuller> soulrider_: thanks...i'll try that
[03:19] <soulrider_> Skuller: you need compositioning enabled for kiba dock
[03:19] <Skuller> soulrider_: and what would that be
[03:19] <soulrider_> like beryl and stuff :P
[03:20] <Skuller> soulrider_: oh...i have beryl isntalled
[03:20] <Skuller> but not enables
[03:20] <Skuller> *d
[03:20] <soulrider_> i se
[03:20] <soulrider_> e
[03:20] <Skuller> do i need to have beryl running to run the dock?
[03:21] <AbortD> would it be hard to run gaim in kde/?
[03:21] <soulrider_> im not sure if it will work or not, i really havnt used it
[03:21] <Skuller> AbortD: no
[03:21] <AbortD> thanks
[03:21] <soulrider_> AbortD: i used to
[03:21] <AbortD> i cant frikkin stand kopete
[03:21] <soulrider_> just sudo apt-get it and thats it
[03:21] <soulrider_> lol
[03:21] <Skuller> lol
[03:21] <Skuller> AbortD: whats wrong with it?
[03:21] <AbortD> its trashy
[03:21] <soulrider_> in what way ?
[03:21] <Skuller> hmmm....'trashy'...i wondeer
[03:22] <soulrider_> i like it, but i prefer GAIM
[03:22] <Skuller> -e
[03:22] <soulrider_> it was crashing sometimes though
[03:22] <AbortD> i want something that justs lets me connect and doesnt have 1 million features
[03:22] <soulrider_> if they sent me some custom emoticons
[03:23] <Romexios> How to give my self PERMISSION to run things in the BACKGROUND?
[03:24] <intelikey> permission to run in the background ?       command &
[03:26] <LjL> it's not something you need to have permission for
[03:26] <intelikey> no
[03:26] <intelikey> nohup is also usefull
[03:27] <intelikey> usefulll
[03:27] <intelikey> i'll get enough l's after while.
[03:27] <sax> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11798/ I'm trying to install cinelerra, I get this error after I configure and try to make
[03:27] <sax> any ideas?
[03:28] <riuken> hola
[03:28] <riuken> necesito ayuda
[03:28] <sax> hello
[03:28] <riuken> hi
[03:28] <riuken> i need some help
[03:28] <riuken> can anybody helpme?
[03:28] <Skuller> !ask | riuken
[03:29] <ubotu> riuken: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:29] <riuken> sorry
[03:29] <Athensman> can anyone here help me install xubuntu
[03:29] <sax> :-)
[03:29] <sax> try"
[03:29] <sax> sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop    --it works for kubuntu
[03:29] <riuken> i cant connect to kopete
[03:29] <riuken> i dont know what to do
[03:30] <Skuller> riuken: tried any other IM?
[03:30] <intelikey> sax line 4 is pebcak but the error is in the configure  not something you did.    (unless you wrote or monkeyed with ./configure)
[03:30] <AbortD> riuken: to fix that do sudo apt-get gaim
[03:30] <Skuller> riuken: which protocol?
[03:30] <Athensman> can anyone here help me install xubuntu
[03:30] <sax> ...I know.  I just did ./configure.  I realize ./make is pebkac...
[03:30] <sax> haha
[03:30] <Skuller> AbortD: that is not 'fixing' the problem
[03:30] <sax> intelikey: Any ideas about how to fix that?  There is no make file...
[03:30] <AbortD> it helps though!
[03:30] <firephoto> riuken: what protocol are you trying to connect with?
[03:31] <Skuller> riuken: GAIM is another soft like Kopete
[03:31] <riuken> im not sure...
[03:31] <sax> intelikey:  Does it need to be in a certain directory?
[03:31] <riuken> how i can see what protocol?
[03:31] <Skuller> riuken: are you trying to connect to msn messenger, yahoo, icq, irc?
[03:31] <intelikey> sax no.    and for the record that's what ./configure files do.. they write Makefile 's
[03:31] <riuken> yes
[03:31] <firephoto> riuken: msn, yahoo, aim? you set it in the preferences. for each account.
[03:31] <riuken> msn
[03:31] <Skuller> riuken: which one them?
[03:31] <AbortD> which one :P
[03:31] <riuken> msn
[03:32] <Skuller> riuken: got your UN and PW correct?
[03:32] <sax> intelikey: haha... okay.  thanks
[03:32] <Athensman>  xubuntu will not install it goes to all black screen
[03:32] <intelikey> sax the configure is hosed.  it says ok. i wrote a Makefile  but there isn't one.
[03:32] <riuken> how
[03:32] <riuken> ?
[03:32] <sax> intelikey:  thanks, I'll try this other configure file in there...
[03:32] <sax> haha
[03:32] <sax> there's a few
[03:32] <sax> in cinelerra
[03:32] <intelikey> ok.
[03:33] <riuken> whats an un? and pw?
[03:33] <firephoto> riuken: settings, configure, accounts
[03:33] <intelikey> sax best to look for an INSTALL or a README and see what the builder says
[03:33] <riuken> ok
[03:33] <firephoto> riuken: either modify the msn account, or make New MSN account.
[03:33] <sax> thanks
[03:33] <intelikey> sax or even an   install.sh script
[03:33] <Athensman>  xubuntu will not install it goes to all black screen
[03:33] <intelikey> in the root dir of the source of course.
[03:34] <wolferine> I just ran e2fsck on my file system, but before I get into that, is there an issue of copying files between reiser f/s and ext3?
[03:34] <intelikey> the source is source of course of course....
[03:35] <calcmandan> Running 6.06.1. Attempted to setup wireless so that it would activate the connection at boot. Had been using wlassistant and went into System Settings -> Network Settings -> and setup ra0 to activate during boot. Now, it won't load beyond network configuration during boot., I'm on the machine now using a live disc. Any advice?
[03:35] <riuken> firephoto i try modifying the msn account but nothings happened
[03:36] <Skuller> riuken: username and password
[03:36] <sax> oooh one other error: don't have openGL 2.0
[03:36] <sax> I'll install that
[03:36] <firephoto> riuken: once your settings there are good, say ok, ok, then click the msn icon on the bottom of the kopete window.
[03:36] <riuken> are correct theres no error on username and password...
[03:36] <riuken> and then
[03:37] <firephoto> riuken: online.. online..
[03:37] <AbortD> how can i enter my ntfs file system?
[03:37] <Skuller> riuken: u may also want to /join #kopete
[03:37] <firephoto> or online.. no message.  (i don't have msn anymore)
[03:37] <intelikey> !ntfs | AbortD
[03:37] <ubotu> AbortD: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:37] <Romexios> How to see a list of running softwares from CONSOLE so i know what to kill? and how do i kill something running?
[03:37] <beta> could somone help me with my java install on edgy?
[03:37] <AbortD> thanks intelikey
[03:37] <riuken> im not online
[03:38] <intelikey> Romexios ps aux
[03:38] <Romexios> intelikey: Thanks
[03:38] <intelikey> riuken me neither...
[03:38] <wolferine> beta consult the ubuntu manual (find it with google)
[03:38] <intelikey> welcome welcome welcome
[03:38] <intelikey> !java | beta
[03:38] <ubotu> beta: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[03:39] <riuken> is there another porgram... like kpete that i can download and install
[03:39] <Romexios> intelikey: ./eggdrop Amore is running.. How do i kill it?
[03:39] <beta> well thats not the problem
[03:39] <intelikey> Romexios killall eggdrop
[03:39] <Romexios> intelikey: Thanks
[03:39] <intelikey> Romexios if it's not your process    sudo killall eggdrop
[03:39] <Skuller> riuken: GAIM
[03:39] <beta> i did look into the manuals...the problem is i dont know if i still have to setup sun as the main java handling application like in dapper and down
[03:39] <riuken> ok
[03:39] <riuken> gaim
[03:40] <beta> it doesnt say anywhere i have to on edgy
[03:40] <Skuller> !gaim | riuken - sudo apt-get install gaim
[03:40] <ubotu> riuken - sudo apt-get install gaim: Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[03:40] <beta> but i suppose i still have to?
[03:40] <AbortD> its telling me no usablle windows partition found....
[03:40] <AbortD> i know its there
[03:40] <intelikey> beta i think    sudo update-alternatives java
[03:40] <AbortD> the partition starts at 67,000 megabytes
[03:40] <intelikey> errr -config java   ^
[03:41] <beta> another strange thing is that java did work to launch .jar files...no it gives me errors...and i didnt change antyhing
[03:41] <beta> intelikey: you think or are you sure?
[03:41] <intelikey> think.
[03:41] <intelikey> i normally try to say what i mean.
[03:41] <beta> thx
[03:41] <intelikey> welcome
[03:42] <riuken> does anyone know how to put a linux system on an ipod????
[03:42] <AbortD> that is possible?
[03:42] <intelikey> i don't do java flash or windows.
[03:42] <Skuller> i dint know that was possible
[03:42] <intelikey> riuken there should be docs on the net.  it's been done many times.
[03:42] <AbortD> i've heard of a xbox or a wii but never a ipod
[03:42] <AbortD> hm
[03:43] <beta> intelikey: ok that didnt work
[03:43] <AbortD> interesting
[03:43] <calcmandan> www.ipodlinux.com
[03:43] <beta> hm,, so where am i supposed to find it out?
[03:43] <riuken> i know but i cant find for a 5Generation ipod... winpod
[03:43] <intelikey> beta you did    sudo update-alternatives -config java   ?     let me check.
[03:43] <calcmandan> Is there a config file where the setting to enable the wireless card during boot exists?
[03:44] <calcmandan> #join wireless
[03:44] <ebotvine> calcmandan: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[03:44] <beta> intelikey: no just java you dindt gave me the configure first...wait
[03:44] <intelikey> ah two dashes    --config
[03:44] <intelikey> try with    --config
[03:45] <beta> intelikey:  another question...when i try to launch .java files the error says it cant launch certain libgjc components?
[03:45] <intelikey> beta i corrected my self   ^  up there but you missed it i guess.
[03:45] <intelikey> i don't know anything about that.
[03:45] <beta> intelikey: no got it thx
[03:46] <sax> I got it@
[03:46] <sax> YAy
[03:46] <beta> intelikey: does this mean it indeed still trys to use the default gjc java? im a noob i just want to make sure
[03:46] <intelikey> sax was there a script ?
[03:47] <beta> this is so weird since it did work with sun without any complaints and i didnt make any changes since to my knowledge
[03:47] <riuken> i still cant connect to my kopete
[03:47] <intelikey> beta i really don't know.   you chould be able to do something like   java --version   and see
[03:47] <riuken> and theres an error with the gaim
[03:47] <beta> ah right damnit i forgot about that
[03:47] <beta> ok its not sun
[03:48] <intelikey> man update-alternatives      <<< beta
[03:48] <warewolf_> Any reason clicking "full upgrade" in adept isn't doing anything? Do I have to click apply changes afterwords?
[03:48] <firephoto> warewolf_: yes
[03:49] <intelikey> you always have to apply any changes.
[03:49] <firephoto> warewolf_: or preview first.
[03:49] <warewolf_> firephoto: so since I've been upgrading every few days, I guess only haveing 38 packages to upgrade is normal?
[03:49] <beta> intelikey:  perfect it works...and so much easier then on dapper since it was done by script
[03:49] <firephoto> warewolf_: sounds normal for feisty.
[03:50] <intelikey> beta the script is there on dapper... you just didn't know about it.
[03:50] <beta> thx, inteli....i just wonder why no manual mentioned the ionstructions for the latest stable relase....i really do
[03:50] <warewolf_> firephoto: Cool, thank you
[03:50] <beta> intelikey:  ok :)
[03:50] <calcmandan> Is there a file that stores network interface settings that I can access in recovery so I can boot my system properly? It hangs halfway through bootup when configuring networking.
[03:51] <calcmandan> I set ra0 to activate when the computer starts and it won't go beyond that point. I'm running a live disc right now.
[03:51] <intelikey> calcmandan /etc/network/interfaces  ?
[03:51] <intelikey> calcmandan i'll check the name...
[03:51] <calcmandan> intelikey: thx
[03:51] <intelikey> yeah that's it.
[03:51] <jeanmass> hi all
[03:51] <intelikey> jeanmass
[03:52] <jeanmass> how are you today?
[03:52] <intelikey> well and you ?
[03:52] <jeanmass> me too
[03:52] <jeanmass> i fixed my pc!!
[03:52] <jeanmass> =)
[03:52] <intelikey> good on ya.
[03:52] <jeanmass> and today i am doing an assignment for uni
[03:52] <jeanmass> i need to copy tables from yahoo! finance
[03:52] <makuseru> what is a good program to RIP cd's to .ogg files?
[03:53] <jeanmass> but when i paste them in OOword
[03:53] <jeanmass> they do not appear as tables
[03:53] <jeanmass> but as text
[03:53] <Agnostic> k3B
[03:53] <intelikey> makuseru cdparanoia   audacity  ....    but vorbis-utils needs to be installed i think
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> as much as i dislike novell, their pc/mac/linux ad campaign is subtly brilliant
[03:53] <jeanmass> i ve managed to copy and ppaste tables twice
[03:53] <firephoto> makuseru: kaudiocreator works good for me.
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't recommend audacity to my worst enemy
[03:54] <jeanmass> but i can not do it anymore
[03:54] <makuseru> Daisuke_Ido: me either
[03:54] <jeanmass> and i dont want to use msword..
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> not for ripping cds to ogg
[03:54] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido special reason ?
[03:54] <makuseru> not for anything period
[03:54] <calcmandan> intelikey: This is the contents of that file: http://pastebin.ca/407543
[03:54] <jeanmass> is there an openoffice chat?
[03:55] <calcmandan> intelikey: do i change 'auto ath0' to something else?
[03:55] <calcmandan> intelikey
[03:55] <calcmandan> intelikey: or should i comment out that line?
[03:55] <laptop> "Firefox is already running, but is not responding" ??????
[03:56] <intelikey> calcmandan now you are asking questions that i can't answer.   i know where the file is...   told you that much but that's the full extent of my knowledge on that issue.
[03:56] <laptop> wtf?
[03:56] <calcmandan> intelikey: well you've been a great help so far. Thank you. :)
[03:56] <calcmandan> intelikey: i will reboot with the line commented out and see what happens. :)
[03:56] <calcmandan> intelikey: after, of course, i back the file up.
[03:57] <intelikey> luck wif' it
[03:57] <laptop> "Firefox is already running, but is not responding" ??????
[03:57] <laptop> wtf?
[03:57] <Minataku> Kill it
[03:57] <laptop> how?
[03:57] <intelikey> killall firefox
[03:58] <Minataku> kill `pidof firefox-bin`
[03:58] <crackhead_25> question: in people's opinions here, what is the best ssh client program to use from a remote machine logging into the ssh server on the home machine?
[03:58] <intelikey> or mozilla-firefox  or what ever.
[03:58] <crackhead_25> (and to forward x connections etc. and be operating the home machine gui/wysiwg)
[03:58] <Minataku> crackhead_25: PuTTY
[03:58] <intelikey> crackhead_25 ssh
[03:58] <Minataku> I'm assuming remote has Windows
[03:59] <mischko> crackhead_25, if it's a Windows client - putty.
[03:59] <crackhead_25> remote has windows probably..
[03:59] <crackhead_25> if remote is linux, then what?
[03:59] <Minataku> OpenSSH client
[03:59] <intelikey> crackhead_25 ssh
[03:59] <Minataku> Which is just "ssh"
[03:59] <laptop> how can I list what is running???
[03:59] <crackhead_25> gotcha..
[03:59] <Minataku> laptop: ls -la
[03:59] <Minataku> Er
[03:59] <Minataku> ps -A
[03:59] <Minataku> Sorry
[03:59] <laptop> huh?
[03:59] <Minataku> laptop: ps -A
[03:59] <laptop> okay
[04:00] <mischko> How to share a parallel printer over Samba?
[04:00] <intelikey> !cups | mischko
[04:00] <ubotu> mischko: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[04:00] <crackhead_25> does a ssh server require ssh as well as openssh server, or just openssh server?
[04:01] <crackhead_25> what's the diff between openssh and ssh servers?
[04:01] <intelikey> mischko the last two links ^ are apropose
[04:01] <mischko> thanks. I'll check 'em out.
[04:02] <intelikey> crackhead_25 ssh is a meta pavkage for installing both openssh-server & openssh-client
[04:02] <crackhead_25> so ins6alling them individually means i dont nee dto install the striaght ssh?
[04:02] <intelikey> yep
[04:03] <laptop> Is there a program that you can see the processes like in windows?
[04:03] <intelikey> the openssh-client is (command line app) ssh and openssh-server is sshd
[04:03] <intelikey> laptop lord i hope not.
[04:04] <intelikey> laptop ps -A x    top     in kde hit ctrl+esc   i think.
[04:04] <laptop> why dont like ease of use?
[04:04] <intelikey> laptop yeah i do that's why i don't like windows.
[04:04] <laptop> moving a mouse pointer is easier than typing and remembering, I like freeing myself up for more important operations
[04:05] <intelikey> ease of use != does it for you the way someone thinks you should do it....
[04:05] <jeanmass> how can i paste a table from OOspreadsheet to OOword, in a way that when i change a number from spreadsheet, it also changes in word?
[04:06] <grimreaper> could somebody give me the german chanal?
[04:06] <intelikey> jeanmass did you try highlighting it and  pointing at the other and middle clicking ?  (both buttons on a two butt mouse)
[04:06] <grimreaper> smb://agslangc/
[04:07] <intelikey> !de | grimreaper
[04:07] <ubotu> grimreaper: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:07] <crackhead_25> how do i test a ssh server setup on the same machine im currently logged into??
[04:07] <crackhead_25> how can i see if i can access it from outside my router/network?
[04:07] <grimreaper> is there a german chanal anyway?
[04:07] <intelikey> crackhead_25 ssh $USER@localhost
[04:07] <jeanmass> intelikey: i havent try the mid-click
[04:07] <crackhead_25> what's the $ symbol mean?
[04:08] <intelikey> grimreaper i don't know.
[04:08] <intelikey> crackhead_25 not intrepted.  just as it is....
[04:08] <intelikey> ssh $USER@localhost
[04:08] <jeanmass> intelikey: but to be able to copy and paste a table from website as a table in OOword, i must also copy an element outside the table
[04:08] <intelikey> that will use your currently logged in user account
[04:08] <jeanmass> i found it
[04:09] <NamShub> $ is a variable
[04:09] <jeanmass> i'm going back to assignment
[04:09] <jeanmass> see ya
[04:09] <grimreaper> or could somebody give me a link for a good sound driver?
[04:09] <riuken> i found a msn for linux...
[04:09] <riuken> when i download it
[04:09] <NamShub> $USER is an environment variable which contains your username
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> !info kopete | riuken
[04:09] <riuken> appears a windows... LAMME
[04:09] <ubotu> riuken: kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[04:10] <NamShub> so if yout username is crackhead_25 the `echo $USER` will print out crackhead_25
[04:10] <mischko> Printer is now working. :)
[04:10] <crackhead_25> what's the "rsa key fingerprint"? should i keep that somewhere?
[04:10] <mischko> How do I get a VNC server to work on there. I don't see a vnc server package in the package manager.
[04:10] <intelikey> mischko glad to hear it... :)
[04:11] <intelikey> mischko apt-cache search vnc
[04:12] <mischko> I see vnc-common " Virtual network computing server software" but I don't see any way to start it.
[04:12] <mischko> It's not in /etc/init.d/
[04:13] <crackhead_25> do i have to memorize my rsa key fingerprint??
[04:13] <intelikey> mischko [g,k] dm do that if configured to  also it can be started from the command line.
[04:13] <intelikey> crackhead_25 no
[04:13] <mischko> kdm's running. How do I turn on vnc?
[04:13] <crackhead_25> intelikey: what do i do with the rsa key fingerprint?
[04:14] <intelikey> crackhead_25 man ssh  > /rsa
[04:14] <crackhead_25> when i did the ssh $USER@localhost it asked if i trusted the 127 0 0 1 key.. which of course i did, because i knwo that's a local ip.. but did that successfully check if the ssh server could be accessed from a computer outside my router? did it pretend the signal was from outside?
[04:15] <intelikey> crackhead_25 no you'll need to do that through other means
[04:15] <crackhead_25> that's what i was wondering. how can i test to see if it's accessible from outside my router?
[04:16] <NamShub> crackhead_25: it only tested the ssh server work. wether it works or not is something completely different and not related to the ssh server (most likely about your firewall/router setting)
[04:16] <intelikey> crackhead_25 maybe see if port 22 is open through the router ?
[04:16] <NamShub> crackhead_25: can you access a remote computer?
[04:16] <NamShub> then you could use that computer to try to log back to your maching
[04:17] <crackhead_25> no, i have no remote to access and reverse access this box..
[04:18] <Romexios> when i type PS x.. I get this: 29439 pts/2    S      0:00 ./eggdrop Amoreto.conf.. what does the S mean?
[04:19] <intelikey> and i would edit /etc/ssh/sshd.conf and set it to no root login.      also consider that root jr. is a security issue.  use a strong user password.      short reason, if i can login to your user account i'm root on your box.
[04:20] <intelikey> Romexios ps != PS
[04:20] <crackhead_25> intelikey: are you talking to me?
[04:20] <intelikey> yep anyone that runs ubuntu and sshd
[04:20] <crackhead_25> how do i set sshd.conf to no root?
[04:20] <crackhead_25> what's root jr?
[04:20] <Romexios> intelikey: Huh?
[04:20] <crackhead_25> am i running sshd when i run openssh client/server or putty?
[04:21] <intelikey> crackhead_25 root jr   is the user that has full sudoers privledges.      and for the second Q  server is sshd
[04:22] <intelikey> err atually i skipted Q #1   the line in the file that says allow root login   set to no.
[04:22] <crackhead_25> root jr = the user after successfully entering pass in sudo?
[04:22] <crackhead_25> how do i block root and root jr. from logging in?
[04:23] <crackhead_25> doesn't that block me also when i sign in and want to do something that requires sudo?
[04:23] <mischko> I told Kubuntu to start the samba server but it won't accept my login.
[04:23] <intelikey> yeah.   youphemism        i guess i named  UID = 1000   root jr.
[04:25] <intelikey> crackhead_25 no disallowing root login in ssh doesn't stop you from doing anything except logging in dirrectly as root over ssh
[04:25] <crackhead_25> how do i block logging in as root jr.?
[04:25] <crackhead_25> is that the same change? i replaced yes with no in the ssh config file for permitroot
[04:25] <intelikey> you are root jr.       you don't want to block that.  you just want to use a good password
[04:26] <crackhead_25> how do i test my password? is there a program to test it?
[04:26] <intelikey> yes there are several.   john the ripper.   is one
[04:26] <crackhead_25> intelikey: is that a program?
[04:27] <intelikey> yeah they shortened the package name to "john"
[04:30] <maartalli|home> What is the kubuntu equivalent for "desktop-effects" in ubuntu?
[04:32] <crackhead_25> do i just run john on a particular user to see if it can crack the password? hwo long does it usually take to test?
[04:33] <beta> --purge should remove all files in ~ for the specified application right?
[04:33] <intelikey> beta  wrong
[04:33] <intelikey> it wont touch ~/
[04:33] <maartalli|home> !restrcited
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about restrcited - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:34] <intelikey> crackhead_25 sure try it.
[04:34] <beta> intelikey: isnt ~~where the config files are sored....which --purge is supposed to remove?
[04:34] <intelikey> no beta
[04:34] <crackhead_25> is there a better program than john for testing?
[04:34] <intelikey> beta the configs that --purge is talking about is /etc/*
[04:35] <intelikey> crackhead_25 i'm sure.
[04:35] <beta> uhm ok
[04:35] <beta> so it doenst delete anything at all in your home folder?
[04:35] <intelikey> madussa  crack  john   there are several.   i don't know them all or much about any of them. crackhead_25
[04:35] <intelikey> beta no.   i repete it will not touch ~/
[04:36] <beta> intelikey:  i wasnt sure for a moment if ~ is actually /home/user/ sry
[04:37] <mischko> Can anyone give me pointers on getting Samba working? It prompts me to enter a username and password when I connect to the server but won't accept a valid unix username/password.
[04:37] <beta> whats the different between the config files for a program and its settting files?
[04:37] <[pyro] > mischko: man smbpasswd
[04:38] <mischko> Can't it use the unix password file?
[04:38] <intelikey> yes it is.   ~ = $HOME = grep $USER /etc/passwd | cut -d ':' -f 6
[04:40] <mischko> intelikey, ?
[04:40] <intelikey> beta the config files are system wide " configurations / settings"   that affect the way the app works   the settings files store the personal changes you make from within the running app.
[04:40] <intelikey> mischko that was @ beta
[04:40] <mischko> intelikey, k
[04:40] <intelikey> mischko i don't know about samba
[04:40] <mischko> intelikey, np.  Thanks.
[04:41] <beta> intelikey: so settings = what you do in the apps preference dialogue....config = code stuff i dont want to know about?
[04:41] <intelikey> beta yeah  for all practical purposes   yes.
[04:41] <beta> ok
[04:42] <beta> whats your guys opinions on suse?
[04:42] <beta> it seems like nobody has something good to say about it
[04:43] <intelikey> there is a free version of suse.    there i said something good about it.  :)
[04:44] <beta> yes opensuse i meant
[04:44] <Jucato> suse has KDE... :)
[04:44] <beta> yes
[04:44] <Jucato> that another good thing to say :)
[04:44] <beta> Jucato: so you like it?
[04:45] <Jucato> O.o
[04:45] <Jucato> what gave you that idea?
[04:45] <intelikey> all distros have kde and gnome and ....
[04:45] <beta> i really never had anyone say something good abaout it...beside the people using it
[04:45] <intelikey> well all major distros ^
[04:45] <Jucato> heh of course. :)
[04:45] <beta> Jucato: sry, my english....got it now
[04:45] <beta> what is so bad about it?
[04:46] <beta> i hear they hurt linuy standards alot...in terms of file structure and such
[04:46] <Jucato> !offtopic
[04:46] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:46] <ebotvine> ubotu: Error: "kubuntu" is not a valid command.
[04:46] <Jucato> (and possible flamebait)
[04:46] <beta> but that goes for a lot of distros nowadays it seems
[04:46] <Jucato> ebotvine: you're talking to a bot
[04:46] <beta> ok sorry
[04:46] <beta> i shut it ;)
[04:46] <Jucato> ebotvine: and "kubuntu" isn't a command really
[04:47] <Jucato> beta: you might want to go to #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to ask about that. but there are already so many writeups about that on the web. might want to do a Google first
[04:47] <intelikey> it's not even a request around here Jucato   :)
[04:47] <beta> ok
[04:48] <gan|y|med> hello
[04:48] <intelikey> gan|y|med
[04:48] <gan|y|med> that might be a weird question, but is anybody here from evanston, IL???
[04:49] <intelikey> yep that's a wierd one.
[04:50] <katani> Does anyone have any suggestions for a good, linux-compatible wifi card?
[04:50] <Arwen> katani, yeah, ethernet
[04:51] <gan|y|med> ipw2200
[04:53] <katani> I'm not seeing any PCI cards with that chipset...
[04:55] <gan|y|med> well, i don't know of intel sells them seperately. you just asked for a good card :)
[04:55] <katani> lol
[04:56] <katani> Yeah I've heard pretty good things about the Intel wireless chips. A shame they're all for laptops
[04:57] <intelikey> hardware makers want to sell sell sell sell   and onboard means they can sell more  so why should they make cards...
[04:57] <katani> I was planning to set up a access point/router box
[04:58] <intelikey> now on the other hand makers that don't make mainboards wish all mobo's were blank   only sockets and slots ....
[04:59] <katani> lol the way things used to be...
[04:59] <intelikey> but it really comes down to the retailers.  what ever walmart carries that's what sells the most
[05:00] <intelikey> i hate to put it this way.  but most people are too dumb to see how that hurts them.
[05:00] <katani> I can understand that. A lot of the "consumer" hardware out there is crap
[05:01] <gan|y|med> a lot of people don't care to by new hardware (meaning a one-piece-all-in-one-thing) time and again
[05:02] <intelikey> gan|y|med that's what i just said,  just in different words.
[05:02] <katani> oh well...
[05:03] <crackhead_25> how do i find out what ip address was assigned my computer from my router?
[05:04] <intelikey> according to M$ they should be able to collect $100 per person per year for the entire population of the planet.   and i think intel thinks the same way...
[05:04] <intelikey> crackhead_25 ifconfig
[05:04] <gan|y|med> a bit nicer maybe :)
[05:04] <intelikey> gan|y|med maybe....
[05:05] <sstchur_> what might cause synaptic and/or adept to crash each time I try to load it?
[05:05] <gan|y|med> have you tried it in a console?
[05:05] <gan|y|med> look at the output
[05:05] <katani> crackhead_25: ifconfig
[05:06] <intelikey> sstchur_ installing java and having to kill the packagemanager half way through because you couldn't see the  EULA question  ?
[05:07] <crackhead_25> what's the difference between an inet address and a bcast address??
[05:07] <intelikey> gan|y|med those two won't run in a console.... konsole/etrminal yes,  console no.
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> crackhead_25: inet address is an IP address, broadacst address is an address that any traffic sent to will be seen by all hosts on your subnet.
[05:08] <sstchur_> intelikey: perhaps, though I don't think that particular situation applies to me
[05:08] <crackhead_25> which do i use to setup as forwarded through the router for ssh use?
[05:08] <intelikey> sstchur_ well in any event the fix is probably the same.
[05:09] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | sstchur_
[05:09] <ubotu> sstchur_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> crackhead_25: you want to setup your router to forward ssh to an IP inside your network? if so you want to give the router the IP address of your pc.
[05:09] <flaccid> i have the bug where typing set in shell returns shell script output instead of the current env vars. anyone know the fix?
[05:09] <Mena> Ho to reload kicker :)
[05:10] <Mena> How*
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: if you are using bash_completion set will show you a bunch of functions that are used for bash_completion, that's normal.
[05:10] <flaccid> Mena: run the command kicker iirc
[05:11] <intelikey> flaccid are you sure it's not  bash_completion  settings you are seeing ?      set | less
[05:11] <flaccid> LeeJunFan: that is not what is happening
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: if you want to see just variable use env
[05:11] <Mena> flaccid, ok :)
[05:12] <Mena> i think i will kill it then reload it :)
[05:12] <sstchur_> intelikey: ok, little better maybe.  Now I'm getting "Errors were encountered while processing: ntlmmaps"
[05:12] <flaccid> LeeJunFan: what happens when you run the command set in bash on your ubuntu ?
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: I get a bunch of shell functions that bash_completion sets.
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: the last one I see is set_prefix ()
[05:13] <beta> does the generic nvidia driver "nv" that kubuntu uses out of the boy supports 3d from edgy on?
[05:13] <intelikey> last here is   size ()
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> I'm on feisty
[05:13] <flaccid> LeeJunFan: why does it do that?
[05:13] <r3factored> is evolution a gnome product?
[05:14] <intelikey> cause those things are "set" in bash_completion
[05:14] <beta> because i could do "glxgears -printfps" without problems after a fresh edgy install
[05:14] <intelikey> and ~/.bash_aliases    or the like.
[05:14] <flaccid> i thought set was a shell builtin
[05:14] <flaccid> why is the command dif on ubuntu to other linux/*nix
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: it is, but that's how bash_completion incorporates itself into the bash shell.
[05:15] <Mena> is this kind of bug on kicker ... after adding a new panel it dosent appear in the same time on the ConfigurePanesl ??
[05:15] <intelikey> it isn't. flaccid    set | less
[05:15] <intelikey> is that not what you are looking for ?
[05:16] <flaccid> i'll pastebin what set gives me and you tell me if thats normal
[05:16] <intelikey> my it isn't was at   why is the command dif,..
[05:16] <gan|y|med> btw, with 'console' i refer to any kind of command line under x
[05:17] <flaccid> ah i see what you mean
[05:17] <flaccid> it is the vars
[05:17] <flaccid> they are at the top then _=set
[05:17] <flaccid> which must be for the completion
[05:17] <intelikey> gan|y|med but there is a reason one is called a terminal  and the other a console...
[05:17] <flaccid> heh messy way to do it.
[05:17] <crackhead_25> what's the command to refresh the dhcp client status of an eth, i.e. refresh the ip assigned bya  router to an eth card?
[05:18] <intelikey> no   _=   is the last command entered
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> crackhead_25: dhclient eth0
[05:18] <flaccid> crackhead_25: dhclient dev
[05:18] <flaccid> intelikey: well all that extra shite seems to go under that
[05:18] <Mena> How to change the host name
[05:19] <flaccid> Mena: hostname
[05:19] <Mena> yes
[05:19] <intelikey> you can   echo $_   to see what the last command was      and yes all that extra is "bash_completion"  enabled
[05:19] <flaccid> perm change is changing /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
[05:19] <flaccid> intelikey: why does it do it this way in ubuntu. other operating systems do not need to do this for completion
[05:19] <intelikey> cause othere os's didn't have bash_completion enabled by default
[05:20] <Mena> if you opened the kcontrol center you will see the inf a bout your system and one of them hostname
[05:20] <flaccid> i dunno. its just messy
[05:20] <magicfab> hi
[05:20] <magicfab> what would be a tool equivalent to gdebi in kubuntu ?
[05:20] <intelikey> there is a world of differance in normal  [tab]   completing app names and paths   and bash_completion     a world of differance.
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: keep in mind we aren't talking about simple filename completion, bash_completion is a whole added in program. for instance you can type apt-get install xserv[tab]  and it'll complete it for you.
[05:21] <intelikey> yeah what LeeJunFan said ^
[05:21] <magicfab> gdebi is a .deb graphical installation tool
[05:21] <flaccid> true guys. i guess you are just mean to use env instead of set to see current vars
[05:21] <Mena> intelikey, Is the upgrade tool working fine or ??
[05:22] <intelikey> flaccid less is good.
[05:22] <crackhead_25> how come that didnt work? i had 192.168.0.102 as the dynamically assigned ip by the router. i changed the router to static assign the computer ".".".100 based on the hwaddress (mac address?), and id id the dhclient eth0, but it still has the same first internal ip of ...102??
[05:22] <flaccid> so is more :)
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: yeah, env is cleaner. filename completion is built into bash in the c source and compiled as part of bash, bash_completion adds all kinds of features and is an "afterthought" which is added in the way you see with "set"
[05:23] <intelikey> Mena idk.  i don't use the automatic updater
[05:23] <BartSimpson> Hello, I have a camera (Canon powershot SD500) and try to load it to my computer via usb. When i load it in digiKam, it thinks it is a "Canon digital IXUS 700". I can't load any pictures from it, either. Am I missing some driver (even though the digiKam "add camera" option had my camera's model there)?
[05:23] <intelikey> less is more than more.
[05:23] <flaccid> intelikey: hehe yeah
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: if you have hosts you ssh to frequently you can also use tab completion with those. ie ssh root@morn[tab]  will complete to one of the servers I ssh to a lot.
[05:23] <intelikey> and calling more good is really streaching things.
[05:23] <Mena> intelikey, if i change the edgy to fiesty on source list will work fine and upgrade to beta
[05:23] <flaccid> i guess i'm just used to certain stuff and zsh..
[05:23] <flaccid> LeeJunFan: thanks thats pretty cool
[05:23] <hsoj> I just installed the Kubuntu Beta and attempted to install the nvidia-glx drivers using add/remove programs. Upon reboot nothing had changed so I ran 'sudo nvidia-glx-enable' and rebooted. Now the login screen never comes up. I am back on the Live CD now. This is a fresh install BTW.
[05:24] <intelikey> !upgrade | Mena
[05:24] <ubotu> Mena: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> Mena: I upgraded 3 machines from edgy to feisty a week or so ago and they all went perfect, although that doesn't guarantee you'll have the same luck.
[05:24] <Mena> ok
[05:25] <intelikey> Mena and the basic idea in that upgrade link is the same for any version.
[05:25] <Mena> Good that they keep them the Same
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: yeah, it pulls the servernames and or IP's from your ssh known_hosts file, you can also use that with ping 192[tab] , or mtr or host, etc.. Very cool.
[05:26] <intelikey> flaccid one other note on bash_completion.   without it you search for modules with it you can   modprobe snd-[tab]    for example and see the full list of only snd-* modules...    wonderful for stuff like that.
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> yep, and rmmod too :) I loves my bash_completion :)
[05:27] <intelikey> dito that.   exvept i don't enable it until i start to do womething that i actually need it for.
[05:27] <crackhead_25> anyone know why using dhclient on eth0 to update my internal ip didn't update it? it just returned to the same dynamic ip it was before, even though i set the router to use the hwaddress (macaddress?) to assign a static internal ip to it.. ?
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> only you get too used to using tab to complete things and you find yourself doing it when you're writing scripts and trying to help people in IRC too, doesn't help them much when you tell them to run dhcl        eth0 :)
[05:28] <intelikey> like type.....
[05:28] <intelikey> S:
[05:29] <intelikey> prezactly.  ^
[05:29] <intelikey> LeeJunFan you know sh scripting ?
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> crackhead_25: sounds like the router is stubborn. Double check your mac's maybe.
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah.
[05:29] <crackhead_25> is the mac hwaddr in ifconfig?
[05:29] <intelikey> care if i send you one to look at ?
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> crackhead_25: yeah, that's it.
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: np. What's it supposed to do?
[05:30] <jza873> hello im new to linux i finally got it set up on my ppc and i was told to go here for help
[05:30] <intelikey> it's to migrate to a new partition....
[05:30] <intelikey> see if anything in it looks like it might blow up....
[05:31] <intelikey> LeeJunFan someone asked me to write one...  but i wanted a few second openions on it before i gave it to them.
[05:32] <intelikey> Jucato :)
[05:32] <jza873> can someone help me get my sound to work or at least point me to a web site or in the right direction
[05:32] <Jucato> !sound
[05:32] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:32] <crackhead_25> perhaps do i have to down my eth0 before i reset the dhcp?
[05:32] <jza873> thanks
[05:33] <intelikey> !mp3 | jza873
[05:33] <ubotu> jza873: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:34] <hsoj> I just installed the Kubuntu Beta and attempted to install the nvidia-glx drivers using add/remove programs. Upon reboot nothing had changed so I ran 'sudo nvidia-glx-enable' and rebooted. Now the login screen never comes up. I am back on the Live CD now. This is a fresh install BTW. Any ideas?
[05:34] <Jucato> hsoj: install the linux-restricted-modules-generic package
[05:35] <intelikey> !feisty | hsoj you can also check in the official channel for beta releases
[05:35] <ubotu> hsoj you can also check in the official channel for beta releases: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[05:35] <hsoj> Any reason why that wouldn't have been included when I installed the nvidia driver? Should I file a bug?
[05:35] <hsoj> Ah, thanks. Sorry for cluttering this channel.
[05:35] <Jucato> hsoj: boot into your Kubuntu installation, once you get to the part where you're supposed to login, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login to the console
[05:35] <Jucato> hsoj: it's not a bug...
[05:36] <Jucato> the guide you followed might not be complete
[05:36] <yknott> suspend2 :(
[05:36] <crackhead_25> why did sudo ifconfig eth0 down not work?
[05:36] <crackhead_25> do you think i have to down eth0 before refreshing dhclient?
[05:37] <yknott> crackhead_25: no
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: looks like it should work at first glance, also looks like you've taken care to do error checking and reporting, which is good.
[05:40] <Jucato> no. he probably detonated it
[05:40] <Jucato> ooops...
[05:40] <riuken> hi im triying to install linux on my ipo
[05:40] <riuken> d
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I wonder though if you wouldn't be better off using either tar or rsync for the copying process as you can just do --one-filesystem instead of copying each dir one by one.
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[05:40] <Jucato> oops...
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> <glare class="evil">
[05:41] <riuken> what mean  % mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda2
[05:41] <riuken> ?
[05:41] <intelikey> LeeJunFan i thought about tar. but on testing it seemed slower to me...
[05:41] <riuken> what the %
[05:41] <riuken> means
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> riuken: that means to format /dev/sda2 as windows fat32
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> just ignore the %
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> it's the shell prompt
[05:42] <riuken> r ok ty very much
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah, it probably is a bit slower, when I do moves like that I use rsync because I can run it again to catch anything that may have changed while the first copy was going.
[05:43] <subone> Hi, I am trying to install Edgy on a Dell Precision 220 Workstation with 2 800mhz cpus and 512mb rambus memory but after it says "Ready" (booting live) it hangs with just a blinking cursor
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I've done that on servers to copy a live server to a new HD, then just chroot to it, run grub and MAKEDEV on it and reboot.
[05:43] <subone> and i get a very limited boot menu not the full menu
[05:44] <intelikey> LeeJunFan and that might cause trubble if they had like a boot partition or /home or other such oddity.... do you think i should try for some other cp process ?
[05:44] <subone> can anyone shed some light on some possible troubleshooting options?
[05:44] <Kool> hi everyone .. has anyone had success with installing kubuntu on Virtual PC 2007 with hardware virtualization?
[05:44] <intelikey> LeeJunFan yeah MAKEDEV would be better than copying the device nodes...  i should have thought of that.
[05:44] <catid> hello.. i'm having some trouble installing kubuntu-desktop..  apt-get install kubuntu-artwork-usplash's subprocess post-installation script returns an error exit status 1
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: that's why I use rsync with --one-filesystem, it wont traverse mounts, but it WILL copy the mountpoint.
[05:44] <catid> any idea how i can get more information about the error?
[05:45] <yknott> Kool: no i have not; *nux is not a supported virtualpc osys
[05:45] <Kool> :/
[05:45] <yknott> but - maybe - it can work
[05:45] <Kool> vmware is bloated IMO
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: tar can do the same thing if you pipe one to the other, it may be slower than rsync but tar is on every system, rsync may not be.
[05:46] <yknott> yeah go with kvm / qemu then
[05:46] <intelikey> yeah true that.
[05:46] <riuken> what this instruction does: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda3
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: if you man tar or man rsync they have single char options for --one-filesystem, like -d or some crap, don't believe it - for some reason they don't work - you have to use the whole --one-filesystem arg. :)
[05:47] <intelikey> but almost 2x faster cp time... with cp     i'll consider the options there.      do you see anything else that glares at you.
[05:47] <ushaba> i am wondering if anyone knows whether or not the CJK display and font problems have finally been fixed in feisty
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> riuken: that will format partition 3 of your first scsi hd, as ext3 which is the default for most linux disro's including ubuntu, kubuntu.
[05:48] <riuken> thanks
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: not that I noticed. The code itself all looks good.
[05:49] <subone> sorry, just wondering if anyone heard my postr
[05:49] <subone> post*
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> but then my brain isn't a bash processor :)
[05:49] <intelikey> k.  thanks for the input.
[05:49] <intelikey> lol
[05:49] <intelikey> yeah mine too.
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> I hate pearl, it seems so unorthodoxed, I like more clean structured like C, PHP, Python - yet I think that's how my brain works [perl] .
[05:51] <intelikey> what's the syntax on a tar to tar pipe ?   tar -c path | tar -x  ???
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I think you want tar -c - [path]  | tar -x
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: you might need to use the args to change dirs as well.
[05:52] <intelikey> yes was just looking   -C destination    on the end of that.
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> and of course --one-filesystem on the first half.
[05:53] <Mena> i think i will try the new upgrade toll for now :)
[05:53] <intelikey> i'll play with that a little more.      but i think the reason it's slower is it has to run tar twice on all data.
[05:53] <Mena> tool*
[05:53] <intelikey> yes of course
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: err --one-file-system
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah, the pipe doesn't help, it runs in userspace, whereas cp uses kernel space calls to execute the copying.
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: well, I just checked and cp (at least on feisty here) has --one-file-system, that might do it.
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> as long as it also gets the mountpoints, if not I suppose you could just script those in to be made after the cp process.
[05:56] <intelikey> LeeJunFan ummmm it should  i'll gice a look.
[05:57] <intelikey> LeeJunFan it does indeed and the short   -x  works in cp
[05:57] <kubuntu> hello
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: cool, even better then :)
[05:58] <intelikey> whoa.  i'll recode that last section and that should be  fine as frog hair split four ways then.
[05:59] <intelikey> LeeJunFan ah i just thought of an oddity.
[05:59] <intelikey> LeeJunFan what if they use a /boot partition.   before grub can reinstall i'll have to remount that in the chroot  ?
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah true.
[06:00] <intelikey> i think i can pars that out of fstab without much work.
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: you can -o bind it rather than unmount and remount.
[06:01] <intelikey> oh shoot i'll have to check for /usr and /var also...
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: you'll need to bind mount /proc before you chroot too probably.
[06:01] <riuken> whats ./make_fw
[06:02] <Skuller> ~$ purge -Skuller
[06:02] <intelikey> proc is not really need just to setup grub
[06:02] <intelikey> i've tested that one.
[06:02] <riuken> whats ./make_fw
[06:02] <subone> Hi, I am trying to install Edgy on a Dell Precision 220 Workstation with 2 800mhz cpus and 512mb rambus memory but after it says "Ready" (booting live) it hangs with just a blinking cursor. Can anyone offer any help troubleshooting this issue?
[06:03] <intelikey> LeeJunFan you did look at the  "grub-install" line in the script... it's not actually a chroot per'se  it's  --root-directory=
[06:03] <intelikey> so proc is not an issue.
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: it might be easier to bind mount everything rather than cherry picking. just check mounted fs's and bind them all in the new destination before chrooting :)
[06:04] <intelikey> i'll setup a test system with special mountpoints and see what that does.
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: no I didn't. I guess you can do that and just forget the chroot. No need to worry about /boot then either.
[06:05] <intelikey> LeeJunFan i think /boot will be a must there tho
[06:06] <Minataku> /boot is nice if only it keeps you from having a buttload of stale kernels lying around
[06:06] <Minataku> Since eventually you fill it up and more won't install
[06:06] <Minataku> Which is when you know to go and clean it out
[06:06] <Minataku> XD
[06:06] <intelikey> cause it will write to $MOUNTPOINT/boot/grub/*  and the MBR
[06:07] <intelikey> so if /boot is a mountpoint i need to mount it first.
[06:07] <intelikey> the kernel will be MIA if i don't..
[06:07] <subone> Am I being ignored or am I in a queue or something...
[06:08] <Skuller> subone: neither....people are busy here ;)
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah, I see your point there.
[06:08] <Iwonder|too> subone: nobody gets ignored,usually if no one replies it means no one has an answer
[06:09] <intelikey> subone i did actually over look your Q... sorry.
[06:09] <Iwonder|too> eventually someone will wake up that can help,most of the time
[06:09] <intelikey> subone did you try safe graphics mode ?
[06:09] <subone> intelikey: I am trying to install Edgy on a Dell Precision 220 Workstation with 2 800mhz cpus and 512mb rambus memory but after it says "Ready" (booting live) it hangs with just a blinking cursor
[06:09] <Skuller> yea...helps to be patient...i know its hard to be so when you have a frustrating problem...but try practising it
[06:10] <subone> intelikey: i can try that i suppose... i'll have to look up the boot option... you think that would explain why i didnt get the normal boot screen?
[06:10] <intelikey> subone hit f1 when it first posts the cd boot option
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> subone: are you trying to install to the machine you are on? Or is the machine you're installing to sitting with the blinking cursor right now?
[06:10] <subone> Skuller: i understand patience it's just that i wasn't acknowledged at all soi i was curious if i was even really connected :p
[06:11] <subone> LeeJunFan: this is the machine i am trying to install on. I can logon to another machine. I installed the same distro on my laptop earlier with no issues
[06:11] <Skuller> subone: cool..i myself dont take the patience thing too seriously ;)
[06:12] <intelikey> boy i do.
[06:12] <intelikey> you all need to be patient with me....
[06:12] <LeeJunFan> subone: okay, I was just wondering - if you had it like that right now you might get some info by pressing ctrl-alt-f1 or f2 or f3 :) hehe, one of them has logging as to what setup is doing at the moment.
[06:12] <intelikey> :)
[06:12] <LeeJunFan> subone: but your best bet is probably safe mode gfx.
[06:12] <Skuller> intelikey: you urself are so patient with people that they dont need to be frustrated or get impatient
[06:13] <subone> I know many IRC'ers do take it seriously and I didn't mean to be rude (especially multiple posting my problem) I just can't be sure if my post wasn't seen sometimes
[06:13] <intelikey> subone no no   i made a slight joke.    if you had not reposted i would not have seen your Q.
[06:14] <intelikey> i didn't say it was a funny joke mind you.
[06:14] <Skuller> man you crack me up
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> Speaking of patience, you should have seen me and some crippled guy give some girl a rash of !@#@! when she cut in front of us in line in wal-mart the other day!
[06:14] <subone> LeeJunFan: I will try to see if there are other options will other keypresses at the blinking cursor. That is if the graphics optio doesnt work. I'll log off now and if it doesnt work I'll logon from a different comp. ty
[06:14] <intelikey> see like Skuller's joke ^  :)
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> The crippled guy was saying, "If my legs worked, I'd kick your !@#!" I thought I was gonna die.
[06:14] <Skuller> yep...Master of PJ's i am
[06:15] <Skuller> lol
[06:15] <catid> does anyone know what might be wrong with the kubuntu-artwork-usplash package in the repos right now?  it fails to install and i'd really like to try out KDE
[06:15] <Skuller> LeeJunFan: i guess he lost his legs at the same kind of argument last time
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> hehe, he held up his cane and it had a bend in it, said that was from the last guy who cut in front of him in line, she was lucky she's a girl.
[06:16] <intelikey> catid on such questions you should include release info.
[06:16] <catid> intelikey: what kind of info do you want?
[06:16] <catid> intelikey: i'm using feisty
[06:17] <intelikey> catid yes that.
[06:17] <Skuller> LeeJunFan: lol....so i guess there wont be any cane remaining to show to the 'next guy/ga;'
[06:17] <intelikey> !feisty | catid
[06:17] <ubotu> catid: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[06:17] <Skuller> gal*
[06:18] <LeeJunFan> Skuller: yeah, we both were pretty hard on her, but that "If my legs worked..." was just too much. I laughed and cried at the same time.
[06:19] <intelikey> women want equal treetment.  let them get up out of the floor when you way-lay them for such things.....
[06:19] <LeeJunFan> Skuller: but even after all that, and even after I said, "If I had gotten here first, I'd have given my spot to this guy, you cut in front of him." She never said a word, just stayed right there.
[06:19] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: oh, I was close.
[06:19] <intelikey> but only if that's how you do men...
[06:19] <catid> is there a way to get more verbose error messages from apt-get install?  i'd love to try to fix it myself
[06:19] <LeeJunFan> catid: you can try installing the package it's choking on with dpkg
[06:19] <catid> okay
[06:20] <Skuller> LeeJunFan: yes thats true....very wrong to deprive a person like that of his postion...not to mention how much frustration is already in him overall
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> Skuller: what made it worse was it was at the tire and lube, apparently she wasn't in any hurry because she didn't come to get her car (which was in and out first) until after me and the other guys car were done.
[06:21] <catid> LeeJunFan: thanks that helped
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> s/me/mine
[06:22] <SubOne> I'm back
[06:22] <SubOne> I'ts still at a blinking cursor
[06:22] <Skuller> LeeJunFan: ok......i dint get what u meant
[06:23] <catid> aha the problem was my custom kernel and Kubuntu wanting to install its own krufty splash screen
[06:23] <Skuller> Ubugtu: lart
[06:23] <Ubugtu> (lart [<channel>]  [<id>]  <who|what> [for <reason>] ) -- Uses the Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool on <who|what> (for <reason>, if given). If <id> is given, uses that specific lart. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
[06:23] <catid> i just had to add a lib modules dir for it to drop some stuff into
[06:24] <catid> woo, time to try out KDE! :)
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> SubOne: it could be that using the alternative CD and doing text mode install will get you to an installed system, but you still may end up with a broken X (gui).
[06:24] <orange1> c0nv1ct: whats a good program to recover deleted files on a formatted drive?
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> SubOne: but then at least you have an installed system to work on getting X to work.
[06:25] <c0nv1ct> orange1: not sure, i havent done that in a very long time
[06:25] <intelikey> orange1 what format ?
[06:25] <orange1> i just need to recover some .java files i wrote for lab
[06:25] <orange1> foremost doesnt do the job
[06:26] <intelikey> what format ?
[06:26] <orange1> intelikey: they are .java format
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> ugh, .java - that rules out most quick and easy ones.
[06:26] <intelikey> never mind.
[06:26] <SubOne> ok i can try that
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: you were thinking recoverjpeg or photorec weren't you? :)
[06:26] <intelikey> no i was asking what fs format
[06:27] <intelikey> but it's not important anyway.
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> oh, I see.
[06:27] <intelikey> obviously it isn't
[06:27] <intelikey> even though you can't recover files on ext3
[06:27] <Skuller> Ubugtu: lart #kubuntu-offtopic pip for creating an electric towel
[06:27] <catid> and KDE is running, yay.  it's great when things go this smooth
[06:27] <intelikey> they get over written so quickly.
[06:28] <catid> anyone have advice for getting Beryl running?
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> catid: yeah, #ubuntu-effects I think is the channel to ask that.
[06:28] <orange1> intelikey: so im sol cuz the drive is ext3?
[06:29] <Iwonder|too> what is beryl?
[06:29] <intelikey> orange1   that's what i was asking....
[06:29] <orange1> !beryl | Iwonder|too
[06:29] <ubotu> Iwonder|too: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:29] <intelikey> orange1 and yes.
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> orange1: kind of, unfortunately the efficiency of the ext3 filesystem is actually a bad thing in the case of deleted file recovery.
[06:29] <Iwonder|too> cool
[06:30] <intelikey> orange1 think of it this way.   in windows delete some files and then run the defragmentor   then recover them...
[06:30] <catid> the #ubuntu-effects channel is kind of dead.. perhaps someone here has gotten Beryl running in KDE?
[06:30] <orange1> Iwonder|too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ   <-- have a look at beryl
[06:32] <orange1> intelikey: alrighty - ill just rewrite them over -- 5 labs - shouldnt take too long
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> orange1: you could try http://e2undel.sourceforge.net/usage.html
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> orange1: the longer you use the HD with the deleted files the less your chances are.
[06:33] <intelikey> yep   like 60 seconds is way too long.
[06:33] <catid> KDE has a few more features than GNOME.  i'm liking this
[06:33] <yknott> such as?
[06:34] <intelikey> catid a few  ?   heh
[06:34] <orange1> lol i shouldnt bother then - cuz i just transfered 16gbs of music... didnt know about the efficiency of ext3
[06:34] <catid> the volume control works better with my keyboard and pulse audio
[06:34] <catid> it's got this neat volume control built into the task bar too, etc..  fun stuff
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> that's like saying a leatherman has a few more features than a stick.
[06:34] <catid> LeeJunFan: what? ;-)
[06:35] <intelikey> at least more stuffing....
[06:35] <yknott> catid: so volume control already configured to your keyboard and pulse audio?
[06:36] <catid> yeah that was irritating me in GNOME
[06:36] <catid> keyboard volume control worked for headset but not onboard sound
[06:36] <catid> anyway, exploring..
[06:36] <yknott> good good, try out xubuntu (xfce) along the way
[06:37] <orange1> !freenx
[06:37] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[06:37] <orange1> 1 more week til springbreak!! WOO!
[06:39] <intelikey> LeeJunFan  >>> tar -c --one-file-system / | tar -x --directory "$MOUNTPOINT" || EXIT="91 $EXIT"  <<< look better than the convoluted idea that i had first ?
[06:39] <yknott> !x11vnc
[06:39] <ubotu> x11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1 (edgy), package size 438 kB, installed size 1104 kB
[06:39] <intelikey> and gnight  and thanks.
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah, that way nothing should get left out in case they have their own dir in / too.
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> gnight.
[06:44] <catid> is anyone around to help with installing Beryl for KDE?
[06:46] <Iwonder|too> trying it out right now catid for the first time
[06:47] <ash211> try http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu
[06:47] <catid> okay :)
[06:47] <riuken> where i can find the cywim
[06:47] <riuken> where i can find the cygwim
[06:48] <intelikey> !cigwin
[06:48] <catid> riuken: cygwin runs on windows
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cigwin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <intelikey> !cygwin
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cygwin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <intelikey> dumb bot
[06:49] <intelikey> but yeah at any rate,  cygwin is a scba gear for linux to breath in ntfs space
[06:49] <intelikey> or M$ fs space...
[06:49] <catid> not the last time i checked it's not
[06:50] <catid> it's just a unix environment for windows
[06:50] <riuken> i cant use the make
[06:50] <intelikey> that's what i said.
[06:50] <riuken> i cant use the make_fw command
[06:50] <catid> if you want to run windows stuff on linux, use WINE
[06:50] <_flu_> hi, i'm using kubuntu edgy eft. i've got a usb sound card. i can hear all sounds but flash on firefox. any solutions?
[06:51] <intelikey> or cediga
[06:51] <intelikey> !flash
[06:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:51] <catid> _flu_: oh oh i have something to say about flash..
[06:51] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[06:51] <intelikey> say it catid
[06:52] <_flu_> i'm listening to you catid
[06:52] <catid> sec looking up the page
[06:52] <catid> http://pulseaudio.revolutionlinux.com/PulseAudio
[06:52] <catid> that adds pulseaudio support for flash
[06:53] <catid> it also has info on how to play with sound in flash9
[06:53] <catid> so you can debug the problem yourself :)
[06:53] <_flu_> ok i'm lookin thru. thank you catid
[06:54] <riuken> OMG im doing my best to install the linux on ipod but i can use the "make_fw or gcc" command
[06:54] <riuken> any idea please?
[06:55] <intelikey> riuken install build-essential
[06:55] <riuken> with the apt-get?
[06:56] <intelikey> yes   no compiler installed by default.
[06:56] <riuken> so i write sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:56] <riuken> ?=??
[06:57] <nixternal> yup
[06:57] <catid> neat.. Beryl works
[06:57] <agws> good day to all
[06:57] <catid> hello agws
[06:57] <agws> green horn question here
[06:58] <riuken> after i install the build-essential what?
[06:58] <riuken> whats that for?
[06:58] <agws> how do I setup kubuntu as web server?
[06:58] <catid> agws: you probably want to use apache for that
[06:59] <nixternal> Mena: another thing to try if that doesn't work out... sudo apt-get autoclean
[06:59] <nixternal> then do an update again and see if you still get that same problem
[06:59] <riuken> whats the build-essential for?
[06:59] <nixternal> but usually that is a network hiccup or you caught the server at a bad time
[06:59] <Mena> i did that befor i will try again
[06:59] <Mena> ok
[06:59] <nixternal> rock on :)
[06:59] <agws> I would like to set up LAMP or AMP but I'm so new to this that I just finished installing kubuntu
[06:59] <Mena> but its a bout 3 or over 3 hours :D
[07:00] <nixternal> I have gotten those a few times as well. the us.archives servers are the worst pieces of tofu I have ever used
[07:00] <catid> agws: i've not tried those yet, sorry
[07:00] <nixternal> I actually use Canadian servers at time, or even EU servers
[07:00] <Mena> ok
[07:01] <Mena> in any way i will try gain on another time if the autoclean didnt do anything
[07:01] <agws> does anyone know how to set up LAMP on kubuntu?
[07:02] <riuken> whats the build-essential for?
[07:02] <riuken> whats the build-essential for?
[07:02] <riuken> whats the build-essential for?
[07:02] <intelikey> so you have gcc installed
[07:02] <intelikey> so you have gcc installed
[07:02] <intelikey> so you have gcc installed
[07:03] <Mena> Hehehe :)
[07:03] <flaccid> haha
[07:03] <flaccid> haha
[07:03] <flaccid> haha
[07:03] <intelikey> amongst other things that are essential for building source code
[07:03] <riuken> and thats for the make_fw too?
[07:03] <Mena> and also some app use it and need it to work :D
[07:03] <agws> LAMP???? anyone?
[07:03] <Mena> s
[07:03] <Mena> !lamp
[07:03] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:04] <nixternal> hey, stop the repeating
[07:04] <nixternal> pleas
[07:04] <nixternal> e
[07:04] <nixternal> jeesh, so I do it just trying to spell
[07:04] <agws> too bad that it's harder to understand the setup using that giude.
[07:04] <nixternal> for LAMP, HowToForge.net rocks!
[07:05] <intelikey> riuken i dont know about make_fw   and the package manager came up dry on that...
[07:05] <catid> ElectricSheep is so cool..
[07:05] <Mena> ome index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. i get this any idea why?
[07:05] <Mena> s
[07:05] <agws> but how do I keep kubuntu and set up LAMP?
[07:06] <Jucato> !lamp | agws
[07:06] <ubotu> agws: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:06] <Mena> is this the same problems with severs
[07:06] <Mena> servers*
[07:06] <nixternal> Mena: very well could be
[07:06] <catid> !themes
[07:06] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[07:06] <Mena> ok
[07:06] <Hail_Spacecake> what's the name for the other part of ndiswrapper?
[07:06] <nixternal> there is a little ninja hacking the tubes maybe
[07:06] <Hail_Spacecake> not ndiswrapper-utils
[07:06] <catid> cool there's a themes site
[07:07] <Hail_Spacecake> but the part that actually does the backend coding stuff
[07:07] <Mena> nixternal, Thanks
[07:07] <nixternal> no problem
[07:07] <Mena> Thanks all bye ..With God Bless
[07:07] <nixternal> Mena: if you experience that problem still after a few hours, then I would look for more answers
[07:08] <nixternal> d'oh
[07:08] <nixternal> bye :)
[07:09] <agws> how does one install LAMP onto Kubuntu
[07:09] <firecrotch> !LAMP
[07:09] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:10] <abortd_> bah
[07:10] <Exploit> can any1 help me here?
[07:10] <agws> PLEASE STOP GIVING ME THAT STUPID LINK
[07:10] <Jucato> !caps
[07:10] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[07:10] <riuken> i installed the build but i still have the same problem...
[07:10] <firecrotch> agws: It works though.
[07:10] <Jucato> riuken: what problem?
[07:10] <agws> yeah but I have no clue as to what I'm doing
[07:10] <abortd_> konversation only comes with the ubuntu server????....
[07:11] <agws> so that tutorial is not very friendly
[07:11] <Exploit> How to install/configure ADSL connection which connect through USB?????
[07:11] <agws> LOL
[07:12] <riuken> look im trying to install linux on my ipo
[07:12] <riuken> d
[07:12] <Exploit> that requires usrname/pass?
[07:12] <intelikey> agws the L part of your Q is more stupid than that stupid link.      "how do you install linux on linux" ....  ?
[07:12] <Exploit> how to configure that?
[07:12] <firecrotch> agws: sudo apt-get install apache2 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server
[07:13] <firecrotch> Pretty simple, really
[07:13] <riuken> i have 78% of the process but i cant use
[07:13] <riuken> make_fw command
[07:13] <Exploit> ny 1 wanna help here???????????
[07:13] <riuken> and its important for the process...
[07:13] <agws> intelikey...because when I wrote AMP noone responded, and when I wrote LAMP you were the 1st one to talk to me.  Funny.
[07:13] <Exploit> How to install/configure ADSL connection which connect through USB????? in KUBUNTU????
[07:13] <riuken> jucato
[07:13] <riuken> u know what i can do
[07:13] <intelikey> agws but i have been to that stupid link and it does tell you how to install the stupid LAMP on linux.   you install apache and a module and mysql-something-or-other...
[07:14] <riuken> u know what to do
[07:14] <Exploit> intelikey r u listening????
[07:14] <intelikey> Exploit yeah but you haven't said much...
[07:14] <riuken> OMG...
[07:15] <riuken> WELL ENOUGH FOR TODAY... IM TOO TIRED TO FINISH
[07:15] <Exploit> join #ubuntu
[07:15] <riuken> I WILL FINISH IT TOMOROW
[07:15] <agws> intelikey - I've read it, do not get it, need help, new to linux.  I heard of linux, thought I would give it a try, and this is my 1st attempt.
[07:15] <Jucato> !caps | riuken
[07:15] <ubotu> riuken: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[07:15] <Exploit> #ubuntu
[07:15] <ebotvine> Exploit: Error: "ubuntu" is not a valid command.
[07:16] <Exploit> How to install/configure ADSL connection which connect through USB????
[07:16] <riuken> sorry about the shouts
[07:16] <AbortD> you better be sorry
[07:17] <intelikey> agws well congrats on the new exp.  the package manager is in the  kmenu     all the packages you need that are listed on that page  can be installed via adept (the package manager)
[07:17] <Exploit> i m not able to connect my net in kubuntu???? i  have connection ADSL that requires username & pass & connect through USB?
[07:17] <riuken> thanks all the people that help me...
[07:17] <Jucato> riuken: I have no idea about installing linux on an ipod, not even how it can be done
[07:17] <Exploit> how to configure/install
[07:18] <Jucato> Exploit: try the command "sudo pppoeconf" in Konsole
[07:18] <Exploit> all r dull here
[07:18] <Exploit> thankx Jucato
[07:18] <Jucato> !patience | Exploit
[07:18] <ubotu> Exploit: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:18] <intelikey> Exploit i was trying to find a like to a how to
[07:19] <Exploit> ok guys thx
[07:19] <intelikey> the bot has or had one but i can't find it.
[07:20] <intelikey> and yeah we're pretty dull. i guess.
[07:21] <Exploit> ny othr method?
[07:21] <Jucato> !adsl
[07:21] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[07:21] <Exploit> ok ubotu......
[07:22] <Jucato> it's abot
[07:22] <Jucato> a bot*
[07:22] <intelikey> !thanks | Exploit
[07:22] <ubotu> Exploit: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[07:22] <intelikey> !botsnack
[07:22] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:22] <firecrotch> !botsnack
[07:22] <intelikey> :)
[07:22] <firecrotch> Damn you, intelikey
[07:23] <Exploit> wow...gr8...bot
[07:23] <firecrotch> :P
[07:23] <chris_> !!
[07:23] <intelikey> did i just get "blessed out again" ?
[07:23] <AbortD> can u get kde to auto ident for your nickname?
[07:23] <Jucato> intelikey: yes you did.
[07:23] <Jucato> AbortD: for konversation?
[07:23] <intelikey> i thought so...
[07:23] <AbortD> yeah
[07:23] <AbortD> thats what i meant
[07:23] <AbortD> im half drunk sorry
[07:24] <Jucato> AbortD: press F8, at the bottom, the Auto Identify section
[07:24] <Jucato> AbortD: put in NickServ for the service, then your password
[07:24] <AbortD> if i just enter in nickserv will it /msg auto?
[07:25] <intelikey> Jucato can main not be setup in a fresh install ?
[07:25] <Jucato> intelikey: what do you mean?
[07:25] <AbortD> or do i have to enter /msg nickserv
[07:25] <Jucato> AbortD: it will autoidentify you when you login
[07:25] <intelikey> is it possable that agws sources.list doesn't have   main   setup ?
[07:25] <Jucato> that's why it's called "Auto" Identify
[07:25] <intelikey> [agws(n=agws@bas14-toronto63-1177852818.dsl.bell.ca)]  ok  so I'm looking for the packages in the Adept Installer and nothing.
[07:25] <nomad111> why is that on some sites i cant see the proper apostrophe
[07:26] <Jucato> intelikey: only if he's using dapper or earlier
[07:26] <nomad111> just some rubbish character
[07:26] <Jucato> "proper" apostrophe?
[07:26] <AbortD> i know it will
[07:26] <Jucato> intelikey: Dapper or earlier, if you install w/o an internet connection, it disables all repos
[07:26] <AbortD> but do i have to enter the full  command like in mirc?
[07:27] <intelikey> [agws(n=agws@bas14-toronto63-1177852818.dsl.bell.ca)]  kubuntu, the latest that they had. <<<
 AbortD: put in NickServ for the service, then your password
[07:27] <AbortD> thanks
[07:27] <AbortD> didnt see that
[07:27] <Jucato> intelikey: hm... not sure... if by "latest" he means Edgy...
[07:27] <agws> I think so
[07:28] <AbortD> [02:27]  [Notice]  -NickServ- Error! "/msg NickServ" is no longer supported.  Use "/msg nickserv@services.dal.net" or "/nickserv" instead.
[07:28] <AbortD> see what im saying
[07:28] <intelikey> agws in here.     and ask Jucato if he's not too busy...
[07:28] <agws> thaks
 AbortD: put in NickServ for the service, then your password <---- did you do this?
[07:29] <AbortD> yup
[07:29] <catid> anyone know where screensavers are supposed to be installed to?
[07:29] <AbortD> but it tries to /msg nickserv
[07:29] <AbortD> instead of /nickserv
[07:29] <agws> hey jucato, quick question for you.
[07:29] <Jucato> ah simple answer: DALnet is crazy :)
[07:29] <Jucato> agws: ok?
[07:29] <agws> jucato- kubuntu is supposed to be ubuntu server with desktop environment right>
[07:30] <AbortD> ;(
[07:30] <Jucato> no
[07:30] <Jucato> AbortD: another way: Press F2, click on Edit. then put the proper command in the Commands field
[07:30] <agws> jucato - in that case how do I set up my server, so it has a desktop environment.
[07:30] <Jucato> agws: no. Kubuntu is Ubuntu, without GNOME, but with KDE
[07:30] <AbortD> sweet titts
[07:31] <AbortD> just brings up server list
[07:31] <agws> jucato- what's the differance between GNOM and KDE?
[07:31] <Jucato> AbortD: another way: Press F2, click on Edit. then put the proper command in the Commands field
[07:31] <AbortD> i see nm
[07:31] <Jucato> !kde | agws
[07:31] <ubotu> agws: KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[07:31] <catid> does System Guard applet work for anyone else?
[07:31] <intelikey> Jucato he's trying to install apache    and setup LAMP
[07:31] <Jucato> !gnome | agws
[07:31] <AbortD> can u put in more than one command? and how?
[07:31] <ubotu> agws: gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[07:32] <Jucato> AbortD: separate commands with a semicolon
[07:32] <catid> !screensaver
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screensaver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <catid> !screensavers
[07:32] <Jucato> intelikey: I don't know how. I only know the page that has a guide. he says he can't understand it, therefore the guide is stupid
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screensavers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <Jucato> catid: which applet? the one for the panel
[07:33] <Iwonder|too> xscreensaver?
[07:33] <catid> yeah
[07:33] <Jucato> how is it not working for you?
[07:33] <catid> actually i'm using gnome-screensaver right now
[07:33] <Iwonder|too> beryl is cool
[07:33] <catid> it doesn't display anything
[07:33] <catid> the System Guard panes are empty
[07:34] <agws> jucato - I will redo my system in a minute, but after installing server version, how do I add desktop environment to it
[07:34] <Jucato> catid: open KSysGuard (K Menu -> System) then drag the sensors that you want from KSysGuard to the applet
[07:34] <catid> okay
[07:34] <Jucato> agws: so you installed the server (LAMP) version? and want to install a desktop environment for it?
[07:34] <agws> yes
[07:34] <Jucato> intelikey: read that? O.o
[07:35] <catid> thanks mate
[07:35] <Skuller> !loopback
[07:35] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[07:35] <intelikey> yeah i read it.
[07:35] <intelikey> mixed signals...
[07:36] <Jucato> agws: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" (if you want Kubuntu/KDE) or "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" (if you want Ubuntu/GNOME)
[07:36] <Jucato> ... mixed words... @_@
[07:36] <intelikey> Jucato indeed.    do i need to drop this work and help in here ?
[07:36] <Jucato> intelikey: nah... it's ok... I'm going back to studying in a few minutes anyway...
[07:37] <intelikey> k
[07:37] <agws> jucato- thanks, I will redo my system and see what I can get.
[07:38] <catid> does anyone here use xscreensaver instead of gnome-screensaver?
[07:39] <Jucato> most probably they're using kscreenserver :)
[07:40] <catid> am i using that? :)
[07:40] <Jucato> you're on Kubuntu, right?
[07:40] <catid> yeah
[07:41] <catid> Jucato: do you know where to install screensavers?
[07:41] <Jucato> nope... I never use them :)
[07:41] <catid> i want to install kcometen3 manually but not sure where to put it
[07:44] <Skuller> how do i install an app from kde-app.org that i downloaded in tar.bz2 format?
[07:44] <Jucato> depends on what it is... you'd probably have to compile it
[07:44] <Skuller> Jucato: inside it is an install.sh file
[07:45] <Jucato> then you run that install.sh file. be sure to read any README or INSTALL files
[07:45] <Skuller> umm...ok...i'll do that now
[07:46] <catid> know how to install icon themes in Kubuntu?
[07:46] <Jucato> !changethemes | catid
[07:46] <ubotu> catid: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[07:47] <crazy_bus> I've got a pdf.  Is there anyway I can edit it or at least extract the text?
[07:48] <Jucato> !pdftk | crazy_bus
[07:48] <ubotu> crazy_bus: pdftk: A useful tool for manipulating PDF documents. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.12-11build1 (edgy), package size 702 kB, installed size 2140 kB
[07:48] <crazy_bus> thank you
[07:48] <catid> thanks that did it
[07:51] <mcgregor> hi all
[07:53] <pollyo> Hello
[07:53] <Skuller> Jucato: i get this on the last step of "./install.sh": ./install.sh: 146: function: not found
[07:54] <pollyo> I'm looking at something that I printed under linux and thinking how it appears to be a lower quality then windows printing.  Is this generally the case or could it be a setting?
[08:00] <Skuller> can anyone please help me install the 'bin2iso' software on !loopback?
[08:01] <Exploit> whn i m using "sudo pppoeconf" after scanning its saying ports r used by another process...? ny other way to configure/install ADSL pppoe?
[08:05] <Bohica032> jucato - it's working.. i think
[08:06] <Jucato> Skuller: you should run it as "sh install.sh" afaik.
[08:06] <Jucato> Bohica032: hm...?
[08:06] <Bohica032> sorry I was agws earlier
[08:07] <Jucato> guessed so. :)
[08:07] <Skuller> Jucato: sorry...same error
[08:07] <Skuller> Jucato: ok never mind...thanks
[08:07] <Jucato> ok...
[08:08] <Bohica032> Jucato - i installed LAMP server first and ran that command you gave me for desktop, and now it's setting it up.  It's taking a while.
[08:08] <Jucato> yeah it will really take a while
[08:10] <Bohica032> Jucato - is there something out there like CPanel, but free?
[08:10] <genii> Bohica032: Quite a few, some for commercial ISP type setups
[08:10] <intelikey> ok i'm gonna call that final until someone tells me it don't work.   " http://pastebin.us/18540 "
[08:11] <intelikey> i would have put it on the ubuntu pastebin but it don't work for cli browsers
[08:13] <Bohica032> genii - what about the non-commercial ones?
[08:14] <genii> Bohica032: Well they are still open source :) I mean by commercial that they are for large organisations, etc like bandwidth resellers or webhosters etc etc
[08:15] <wolferine> is there an issue of copying files between reiser f/s and ext3?
[08:15] <Bohica032> genii - what about a home based server?  What would you recommend?
[08:17] <intelikey>  Jucato said he was out for a bit.
[08:17] <genii> Something like gnupanel or ispconfig , tho still for the types of setups I just mentioned aren't bad
[08:18] <intelikey> and now i'm out for a bit. genii it's all yours        ummm and whoever else is here...
[08:18] <genii> intelikey Have a good one then :)
[08:18] <intelikey> spam... http://pastebin.us/18540
[08:20] <Jucato> I'm back a bit :)
[08:21] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: move back some more
[08:21] <Linux_Galore> :-P
[08:25] <anything> hi.. i've got a flash card and i plug into my laptop with kubuntu
[08:25] <anything> how do i access it?
[08:26] <anything> !mmc
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mmc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:27] <anything> what do i need to read mmc flash card????
[08:27] <crazyrobot> hey does anyone know how to fix the screen on the F1-F6 shell when its only using half the screen?
[08:28] <Skuller> i have a kubun edgy dvd. i popped it in the drive and selected 'cd' in synaptic and it imported the indexes of the files on the dvd(the packages)...how do i view ONLY the packages on the dvd in the synaptic gui?
[08:28] <catid> crazyrobot: change your console font to the default one
[08:28] <anything> help!!
[08:29] <catid> does anyone know how to make konsole use the transparency from Beryl?
[08:29] <catid> !konsole
[08:29] <ubotu> konsole: X terminal emulator for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 710 kB, installed size 2192 kB
[08:29] <crazyrobot> catid: how do i go about doing that for the shell.
[08:30] <blekos_> hello guys,  i would like you to pay me a min of attention. Regarding a bug that does not allow kontact to check emails of konqueror to get on the internet. The solutions is really SIMPLE. KNetworkManager is the problem. disable it and everything is fine. Please pass the word. IT took me three days to find smg relavant on the net. If someone posts bugs, pls mention it
[08:30] <catid> umm.. you need to re-run that config script
[08:30] <catid> let me see if i can figure out which one
[08:30] <Skuller> i have a kubun edgy dvd. i popped it in the drive and selected 'cd' in synaptic and it imported the indexes of the files on the dvd(the packages)...how do i view ONLY the packages on the dvd in the synaptic gui?
[08:30] <anything> help! is the mmc flash card under lspci or lspcmcia ???????
[08:30] <anything> does anybody know?
[08:30] <anything> is it pci?
[08:32] <crazyrobot> Skuller: do a search for cdrom maybe? in Fiesty, (which i'm not using at the moment) they added an origins tab.
[08:33] <Skuller> cool
[08:33] <Jucato> that would be T
[08:33] <Jucato> er tea
[08:34] <genii> Ah, a fine choice :)
[08:34] <anything> well i modprobe tifm_sd and it worked
[08:34] <Jucato> dang!! I wish my neighbor gave me more of that Green Tea with Roasted Rice :(
[08:34] <genii> (anything with caffeine is good in my books)
[08:34] <anything> my question is, is my mmc card pci or pcmcia ?
[08:34] <Jucato> anything: when I plugin my card reader, it just automatically mounts it...
[08:34] <anything> yeah now mine does
[08:34] <genii> anything If it's a teeny slim thing that you can unplug without opening your computer it's pcmcia
[08:35] <Jucato> so working now?
[08:35] <anything> yeah its working afer i modprobe tifm_sd .. i guess i'm lucky
[08:35] <anything> but i wonder how i should troubleshoot in the first place ;p
[08:35] <anything> lspcmcia doesn't show it
[08:35] <genii> anything Some of those builtin readers on laptops etc are USB
[08:35] <Jucato> lspci shows it?
[08:35] <genii> (actually almost all of them)
[08:36] <genii> lsusb for usb
[08:36] <Skuller> how do i "copy dvd" in k3b?
[08:36] <crazyrobot> what version do you have?
[08:36] <anything> is it called, CardBus ?
[08:36] <Skuller> the only option i see is 'copy cd'
[08:36] <crazyrobot> you must not have libdvdcss2
[08:36] <Skuller> crazyrobot: i do
[08:36] <anything> 0a:06.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments Unknown device 8039
[08:36] <crazyrobot> you may have to rebuild k3b
[08:36] <Jucato> Skuller: Tools -> Copy DVD?
[08:37] <Skuller> Jucato: ahh....yes
[08:37] <Skuller> thanks
[08:37] <Skuller> Jucato: yes i was
[08:37] <Skuller> in a rush
[08:37] <Jucato> Skuller: you can add Copy DVD to those
[08:37] <Skuller> i will......thanks
[08:49] <catid> does KDE have its own system monitor
[08:49] <catid> ?
[08:49] <catid> like gnome's system monitor
[08:49] <ForgeAus> I think so.. ksysguard? or do you mean a panel one?
[08:49] <ForgeAus> you can get ones for the panel
[08:49] <rob-west> does anyone here use flightgear
[08:49] <catid> i'm using sysguard's panels to watch my two CPUs' load.. that's nice
[08:50] <catid> i'd also like a program that shows me the process list
[08:50] <ForgeAus> ksysguard can do that too
[08:50] <catid> ah okay, thanks
[08:50] <ForgeAus> you just have to have process list on a worksheet
[08:50] <pollyo> catid: PRocess list?  Do you mean the list of programs running?  Doesn't CTRL-ESC show you that now?
[08:51] <ForgeAus> (if there isn't one already)
[08:51] <catid> yeah it does, thank you pollyo
[08:51] <ForgeAus> yup autoatically, thats itneresting I didn't know about that :) nice
[08:51] <Jucato> catid: Ctrl+Esc
[08:51] <catid> does anyone else use yakuake (like quake's terminal you can bring down by pressing F12)?
[08:52] <catid> i'm wondering if there's something better?
[08:52] <catid> i'd prefer a terminal like gnome's terminal that understands compositing transparencies
[08:52] <Jucato> Konsole?
[08:52] <catid> konsole doesn't seem to do real transparencies
[08:53] <Jucato> well... http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/True+transparency+for+Konsole?content=48303
[08:53] <Jucato> not easily, but it can
[08:53] <catid> the advantage of yakuake is that it hides until i press F12 then pops up on the top of the screen..  that's a neat feature because i use the console a lot
[08:53] <waylandbill> morning (evening) Jucato
[08:53] <rob-west> wheere can i go for flightgear help
[08:53] <Jucato> waylandbill: afternoon :)
[08:54] <catid> okay i'll check that out
[08:54] <waylandbill> Jucato: still that early? ;)
[08:54] <Jucato> 4:00 PM :)
[08:54] <Jucato> rob-west: don't really know.. do they have a mailing list or forums?
[08:55] <waylandbill> you must be on the total other side of the planet. exactly 12 hours off. :-D
[08:55] <rob-west> its a open source flight sim for linux
[08:55] <Jucato> waylandbill: I believe I mentioned that before... at least next time you just add 12 hours to your time, and greet me properly lol
[08:56] <Jucato> (at least until the next crazy DST arrives)
[08:56] <waylandbill> Jucato: I'm sure you did. 4 am and that means I'm not fully awake.
[08:56] <waylandbill> Jucato: oh. yeah. it is DST here.
[08:57] <waylandbill> rob-west: I've played flight gear before. It's nice. You install the library that fetches landscape data as you fly over it?
[08:57] <Jucato> rob-west: you're in luck. I think there's a #flightgear channel
[08:57] <Jucato> rob-west: http://www.flightgear.org/mail.html
[08:57] <rob-west> waylandbill where do i get that library
[08:58] <waylandbill> rob-west: right on the flight gear site.
[08:58] <rob-west> i need that
[08:58] <rob-west> but idk how 64MB video would handle it
[08:58] <arvid> how can you install 2.6.17 on feisty? I can only find 2.6.20 in apt-get?
[08:58] <waylandbill> rob-west: saves the need of getting gigs of data that you'll never visit. :-)
[08:58] <arvid> kernel version 2.6.17 i.e.
[08:58] <rob-west> k thanks
[08:59] <Jucato> arvid:  you need a lower kernel version?
[08:59] <arvid> Jucato: how?
[08:59] <Jucato> arvid: why?
[08:59] <arvid> Jucato: because ati's fgrlx module doesn't work in 2.6.20
[08:59] <arvid> yet...
[09:00] <Jucato> hm...?
[09:00] <Jucato> you might want to ask about that in #ubuntu+1
[09:00] <arvid> ok
[09:04] <pollyo> Anyone look into setting up windows for both a dual boot system and a virtual machine?
[09:04] <pollyo> Booting a partition into a virtual machine as well as having the option to simply boot into the partition when you turn the computer on.
[09:04] <catid> so i really like the KDE environment.. how do i remover the gnome environment?
[09:05] <Jucato> catid: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[09:06] <Contrast> Jucato: Doesn't using that method remove any GTK applications you have installed, or no?
[09:06] <Jucato> Contrast: I guess that depends
[09:06] <rob-west> waylandbill
[09:07] <waylandbill> rob-west: yes?
[09:07] <rob-west> where do u find that lib on the flightgear site
[09:07] <Jucato> waylandbill: I'm on an impure one right now :)
[09:07] <Contrast> Jucato: On what?
[09:07] <Jucato> Contrast: on the stuff you have installed...
[09:07] <waylandbill> rob-west: give me a moment and I'll go there and find it.
[09:07] <Contrast> Hmm...
[09:07] <rob-west> is it terrainsync
[09:07] <catid> i do like evolution though
[09:07] <catid> thanks for the link
[09:08] <Jucato> heh j/k
[09:09] <waylandbill> rob-west: yes. that's it. Looks like it is included now.
[09:09] <waylandbill> There is a new utility available (as part of the FlightGear src) called "terrasync". This utility runs in the background in a separate process, monitors your position, and downloads (or updates) the latest greatest scenery from the master scenery server "just in time". There is a README with the terrasync utility that explains how to run it.
[09:10] <waylandbill> seems like you just need to configure it now. that's a good deal
[09:11] <rob-west> oh u wont help
[09:12] <rob-west> im there
[09:13] <waylandbill> rob-west: still have a problem?
[09:13] <rob-west> nah nvm
[09:13] <rob-west> ill figure it out
[09:13] <waylandbill> :)
[09:13] <rob-west> unless ud help
[09:15] <comodo> can anyone tell me how to check if 3d is enabled
[09:15] <waylandbill> rob-west: I might if I knew the problem.
[09:15] <rob-west> well how do i configure it
[09:15] <Jucato> comodo: 3d hardware acceleration? "glxinfo | grep -i render" if you see Rendering: yes, then it's enabled
[09:16] <comodo> thanks
[09:16] <waylandbill> there's a readme file that tells. I'm sure it's just a setting that enables it in a configuration file.
[09:16] <SilentDis> !3d | comodo
[09:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:16] <SilentDis> aargh, i can't remember the ! for that...
[09:18] <stdin> !dri
[09:18] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[09:18] <rob-west> so this will pick up every bit of scenery
[09:19] <waylandbill> !bug#1
[09:19] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[09:19] <waylandbill> :)
[09:19] <stamen> !k3b
[09:19] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[09:19] <SilentDis> lol now THAT'S funny :)
[09:20] <stamen> hello
[09:20] <waylandbill> hi
[09:20] <SilentDis> greetings and salutations :)
[09:20] <stamen> please tell me, how to upgrade k3b to v.1.0
[09:20] <Jucato> stamen: k3b 1.0 will be available in feisty
[09:20] <stamen> it wants kde headers if u compile it from source
[09:20] <stamen> :(
[09:21] <Jucato> stamen: install kdelibs4-dev if you want to compile
[09:21] <waylandbill> you could build it.
[09:21] <waylandbill> !build | stamen
[09:21] <stamen> aaa ok
[09:21] <ubotu> stamen: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:21] <stamen> thank you very much
[09:21] <stamen> Jucato: 10x
[09:21] <SilentDis> stamen: eventually, it'll probably be pushed into !backports as well, but it's not there yet.
[09:21] <stdin> Jucato: but WHEN? :P
[09:22] <Jucato> stdin: when feisty has it most probably
[09:22] <stamen> why they didnt do this? :)
[09:22] <Jucato> but only *if* it's possible to have k3b 1.0 w/o breaking edgy stuff
[09:22] <rob-west> waylandbill where does flight gear install to
[09:22] <stamen> to be more new thing in feisty :)
[09:22] <Jucato> stamen: because when k3b 1.0 was released, Feisty was in Beta freeze
[09:22] <stamen> aha
[09:22] <Jucato> Beta freeze = you can't upload new stuff in preparation for Beta release
[09:22] <stamen> ok
[09:22] <stdin> bad timing all around really
[09:23] <Jucato> but now that beta freeze is over...
[09:23] <rob-west> !flightgear
[09:23] <stamen> Jucato: I agree, but k3b is stand alone as I know
[09:23] <ubotu> flightgear: Flight Gear Flight Simulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.10-2 (edgy), package size 2081 kB, installed size 5484 kB
[09:23] <Jucato> stamen: yes, but you're asking why they haven't packaged it for Kubuntu yet, right?
[09:23] <Jucato> it has nothing to do with k3b being standalone or not
[09:24] <stamen> Jucato: not exactly
[09:24] <stamen> Jucato: I mean why they dont put it as update
[09:24] <stamen> for all versions
[09:24] <Jucato> because it doesn't work that way
[09:24] <stamen> Jucato: why, what it want
[09:24] <stamen> Jucato: new libs?
[09:25] <Jucato> all about release processes
[09:25] <SilentDis> rob-west: you can type which flightgear at a prompt, and it'll tell you where it's executing from.  then you can do ls -al /path/to/target to see if it's a symlink.  alternately, you can type aptitude show flightgear to just get basic info on the package.
[09:26] <MatthiasM_> hi, I just downloaded Kubuntu-7.04-beta-desktop, put it in, boot it and the screen stays black, monitor makes a high pich noise in both normal and safe-graphics mode :(
[09:26] <stdin> stamen: it still has to be tested on kubuntu systems to see if there are any bugs there, then it will be tested on older kubuntu versions and, if all is well, then it will be backported where possible
[09:26] <Jucato> stamen: for one, it can't be put into edgy-updates or edgy-security because they are not bug fixes/patches or security updates *for the current version*
[09:26] <Jucato> stamen: if a new version is to be added, it has to come from edgy-backports, which basically means it must be put into feisty first
[09:27] <stamen> Jucato: aha, now I understand :)
[09:27] <Jucato> stamen: but since feisty was in freeze when k3b 1.0 was released, there was no way to put it into feisty
[09:27] <Jucato> hence, no way to put it into edgy-backports
[09:28] <stamen> Jucato: so if they make somthing ot put it in the distro they make it to be solid, nice .... I apriciate this
[09:28] <Jucato> well, that's the purpose :)
[09:28] <waylandbill> stamen: that's the intention anyway. ;-)
[09:29] <stamen> Jucato: very good practice :)
[09:31] <MatthiasM_> how do I create a good bug report on kubuntu-7.04-beta-desktop creating a blank screen with a nvidia graphics card?
[09:31] <Jucato> MatthiasM_: #ubuntu+1 people might be able to help
[09:31] <stdin> MatthiasM_: incluse as much inforation as possible, that's a good start anyway
[09:32] <waylandbill> definately include steps to produce it.
[09:32] <Jucato> MatthiasM_: try to make sure that it's reproducible, or try to provide steps
[09:32] <Jucato> for one, I have an nvidia card... and it works here...
[09:33] <MatthiasM_> well it's hard to get information, as the live cd does not even boot correct.
[09:33] <fuel_> any ideas where i can find icons for uml kind of applications ?
[09:33] <MatthiasM_> I tried to check for defects but all checksums are okay.
[09:33] <Jucato> ah it's the Live CD?
[09:33] <MatthiasM_> jup
[09:33] <Jucato> then #ubuntu+1 really
[09:33] <MatthiasM_> k
[09:33] <MatthiasM_> thanks
[09:34] <waylandbill> googling 'report bugs effectively' gives some good references as well, btw
[09:41] <MatthiasM_> fuel_: http://uml.sourceforge.net/screen.php get some from another foss app
[09:41] <Jucato> !umbrello
[09:41] <ubotu> umbrello: UML modelling tool and code generator. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1982 kB, installed size 5480 kB
[09:42] <fuel_> i do have umbrello installed.. :)
[09:42] <catid> is there a way to make KDE's task bar only show applications on the current desktop?
[09:42] <catid> like it is in GNOME
[09:42] <fuel_> catid: yes
[09:43] <catid> fuel_: how?
[09:43] <fuel_> configure taskbar
[09:43] <fuel_> then under taskbar option
[09:43] <Jucato> catid: right-click on the Panel -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar options
[09:44] <fuel_> unchoose "show windows from all desktops"
[09:44] <catid> i don't see that option
[09:44] <Jucato> catid: where can't you see it?
[09:44] <Jucato> btw, are you using Beryl?
[09:44] <catid> Configure - KDE Panel
[09:44] <catid> Taskbar submenu under Appearance
[09:45] <Jucato> catid: right-click on the Panel -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar options -> [ ]  Show windows from all desktops (uncheck it)
[09:45] <Jucato> no, not that
[09:45] <Jucato> er..
[09:45] <Jucato> yeah that :)
[09:45] <Jucato> but it won't show up if you're using Beryl
[09:45] <catid> ah
[09:45] <catid> yes i am using Beryl..  how do i fix it in this case?
[09:45] <rob-west> ok waylandbill do i just do like nice terrasync -p 5500 -d //usr/share/games/FlightGear/Scenery
[09:45] <rob-west> for terrasync
[09:45] <Jucato> catid: simple: don't use Beryl :)
[09:46] <catid> will it work in Compiz?
[09:46] <fuel_> oh beryl doesnt have that option ?
[09:46] <catid> fuel_: do you use Compiz?
[09:46] <Jucato> fuel_: nope... Beryl kinds borks Kicker
[09:47] <fuel_> catid: no
[09:47] <Jucato> catid: don't really know
[09:47] <catid> what's Kicker?
[09:47] <fuel_> Jucato: oh!
[09:47] <stdin> !kicker
[09:47] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[09:47] <Linux_Galore> catid: right click on an empty space on the taskbar -> Configure Panel,  goto the Taskbar section down the bottom click on Show Windows From All Desktop, ie disable it
[09:47] <catid> is that the normal panel i've been using or something else?
[09:47] <Freeza> what is the difference between a kdm theme and just normal theme?
[09:47] <catid> Linux_Galore: it does not show that option because i am using Beryl
[09:47] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: won't work, he's using Beryl
[09:48] <Jucato> !changethemes | Freeza
[09:48] <ubotu> Freeza: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[09:48] <Linux_Galore> aah
[09:48] <Jucato> Freeza: KDM Theme = login screen theme
[09:48] <stdin> Freeza: KDM themes only apply to KDM
[09:48] <Freeza> ahh ok only login thx thats what i was wondering
[09:48] <Linux_Galore> catid: welcome to why I dont run yet finished software
[09:49] <catid> Linux_Galore: this is not a problem in GNOME
[09:50] <comodo> can anyone tell me a good p2p program for ubuntu
[09:50] <Linux_Galore> catid: so, you forget KDE 3.* isn't on the KDe dev's radar anymore they have moved over to 4.0 so all the odd hacks will be done on there
[09:51] <catid> ah okay
[09:51] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: not entirely true though
[09:51] <stdin> kde4 is looking kool (tho completely unusable)
[09:51] <catid> stdin: what's new?
[09:51] <rob-west> waylandbill
[09:52] <stdin> catid: everything, whole new version of Qt
[09:52] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: true "some" work is still being done but allot of the blogs Im reading show its mostly minor fixes nothing big
[09:52] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: which is exactly what minor releases are for. the 3.5.x releases are bug fixes and stuff.
[09:52] <Linux_Galore> in regards to KDE 3.*
[09:52] <catid> kde4 sounds like fun
[09:53] <stdin> catid: it's nowhere near compleat, not even nearly, so it's hard to say what features it has, but it's a major upgrade of the code
[09:53] <Jucato> the only "new" features that they can put in those maintenance releases are backports from KDE 4 that have been tested to work on KDE 3.5.x and have the maintainer's permission
[09:53] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: i cant see the kde devs spending allot of time getting beryl working in kde 3.* considering kde 4.0 is better setup for desktop effects
[09:53] <weedar> if UTF-8 is the future, how come I cannot use special characters in Konsole when using UTF-8?
[09:54] <Linux_Galore> weedar: because they are not part of UTF-8 ?
[09:54] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: why would they work on Beryl in the first place? they don't work on Beryl, period...
[09:54] <Jucato> seli is working on kwin_composite
[09:55] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: tue, dare say they will be spending most of their time getting features and code ported to kde4 and qt4.3
[09:55] <weedar> Linux_Galore: I thought UTF-8 was supposed to include all special/local characters so we don't have problems with different characters?
[09:55] <Jucato> weedar: I can do  in Konsole... check Konsole's Settings -> Encoding?
[09:55] <djdarkman> hy ,I can`t make a fat32 mount accessible to other users besides my ,how can I make it visible for other users?
[09:56] <c0nv1ct> djdarkman: use permissions when mounting it
[09:56] <Linux_Galore> djdarkman: share it
[09:56] <djdarkman> how?
[09:56] <djdarkman> how?
[09:56] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: well, considering your previous statement about KDE and Beryl, there's nothing actually wrong going on... KDE has never worked on Beryl directly in the first place. sure aseigo fixed a bug on kicker for Beryl, but that was just it....
[09:56] <Jucato> djdarkman: checked the wiki already?
[09:56] <c0nv1ct> djdarkman: 'man mount' :P
[09:57] <Jucato> !fat32 | djdarkman
[09:57] <ubotu> djdarkman: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[09:57] <weedar> Jucato: I have tried with "default",iso-8859-1 and unciode utf-8 - none lets me write 
[09:57] <djdarkman> I`m tryied ewerithing but it seems to ignore everytime I set the permission to be viewable for everyone
[09:57] <genii> djdarkman In the file /etc/fstab make sure it says "user" without the quotes as a mount option
[09:57] <dystopianray> weedar: do you have a font for the characters you're trying to write?
[09:57] <Linux_Galore> djdarkman: so you want people on the "same" machine to see the partition or on remote machines ?
[09:57] <genii> Jucato :)
[09:57] <djdarkman> Linux] 
[09:58] <djdarkman> Linux_Galore: trough ftp
[09:58] <Jucato> weedar: I could, though. try dystopianray's suggestion
[09:58] <Ayabara2> hey. anyone know of a good music player with graphical equalizer besides amarok?
[09:58] <dystopianray> djdarkman: the permissions must be so that the ftp daemon can read the files
[09:58] <genii> Linux_Galore: Good distinction btw
[09:58] <djdarkman> Linux_Galore: I created another user for somene else to be able to access my files on that partition
[09:58] <Linux_Galore> djdarkman: there is a quick and dirt method
[09:59] <weedar> dystopianray: good question, I am not sure how I check that :) I do have the proper locales installed though
[09:59] <Jucato> weedar: you can write special characters (using a compose key, I presume) on other apps, right?
[10:00] <djdarkman> where can I set the permission for that mount?
[10:00] <Linux_Galore> djdarkman: right click on the directory folder icon that you have mounted in the file manager then click on Properties then look for the share tab, the rest is obvious
[10:00] <c0nv1ct> djdarkman: in fstab, or using mount options
[10:00] <djdarkman> Linux_Galore: it ignores my changes
[10:01] <Linux_Galore> djdarkman: aah  type sudo konqueror   then do it
[10:01] <Jucato> weedar: the Monospace font doesn't do special characters. try something like DejaVu
[10:01] <djdarkman> tried that too ,same thing happend...
[10:01] <c0nv1ct> djdarkman: you also may need to modify your ftp server config for permissions
[10:01] <weedar> Jucato: yes, like I am able to write  here in Konversation
[10:02] <djdarkman> c0nv1ct: yeah but it`s useless if the file is not readable for everyone ,only my user
[10:02] <Jucato> weedar: change the font that Konsole uses
[10:02] <metty_> hi all
[10:02] <c0nv1ct> djdarkman: true, you should be using root to modify permissions to make sure of that
[10:03] <weedar> Jucato: changing it to Dejavu resulted in nothing
[10:03] <Jucato> weird..
[10:03] <djdarkman> c0nv1ct: I did it ,should I unmount it before setting the permission?
[10:03] <weedar> Jucato: the weird thing though is that I am able to write  in the field where it says "The quick brown fox[..] "
[10:03] <djdarkman> that I didn`t try
[10:03] <weedar> when changing font
[10:03] <Tomas_> hi need some help with upgrading to beta
[10:03] <metty_> i just used the command: "mv ati-driver-installer-8.34.8-x86.x86_64.run /downloads" but the ati drive isn't in the downloads folder  :( can't find it anyway - can someone pls help me?
[10:03] <c0nv1ct> djdarkman: you need to set the user permissions in the mount command itself
[10:03] <Jucato> weedar: Konsole -> Settings -> Font -> Select ?
[10:04] <Tomas_> could anybody help me here?
[10:04] <djdarkman> I use to set it int he kcontrol menu ,but what option do I need to set?
[10:04] <weedar> Jucato: that's where I was
[10:04] <Jucato> weird...
[10:04] <c0nv1ct> djdarkman: read the mount man pages for the proper syntax
[10:04] <stdin> Tomas_: using the dist upgrade tool?
[10:04] <djdarkman> ok
[10:06] <Linux_Galore> djdarkman: weird just tried it and it let me share a usb disk with another machine fine
[10:06] <Linux_Galore> djdarkman: didnt even ask me for root
[10:06] <Linux_Galore> djdarkman: check the permissions on the directory
[10:07] <Linux_Galore> the usb disk has permission that allow anyone to read or write
[10:08] <metty_> i just used the command: "mv ati-driver-installer-8.34.8-x86.x86_64.run /downloads" but the ati drive isn't in the downloads folder  :( can't find it anyway - can someone pls help me?
[10:08] <Ayabara2> wrong channel to ask maybe, but do you prefer kopete over gaim?
[10:08] <metty_> ?
[10:08] <dystopianray> Ayabara2: yes, kopete is better than gaim
[10:08] <Linux_Galore> Ayabara2: how long is a piece of string
[10:09] <Skuller> if anyone wants to see beryl in some good action......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbICCi6jxlI&NR
[10:09] <Ayabara2> Linux_Galore, I'd say about 30 cm :-)
[10:10] <dystopianray> Skuller: beryl 0.2 ?
[10:10] <Skuller> dystopianray: no idea...i found the vid by casual surfing
[10:12] <Ayabara2> I use gaim and xchat now. thought maybe I'd give kopete a try and see if it can replace both.
[10:13] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: if i wanna see beryl 2.1 in good action, i look at my own desktop :P
[10:13] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: hehe...thats coz your lucky
[10:13] <metty_> Skuller: hm just wanted to watch ur movie, but when i was connecting to youtube it tells me that i have to isntall the latest flash player, althoug i did it 1 minute ago
[10:14] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: i'm in gentoo right now, 2.1 is in portage :D
[10:14] <Jucato> metty_: YouTube needs Flash 9
[10:14] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: i saw the features of beryl in that vid...but my beryl does like only half the things with half the cool
[10:14] <Skuller> any idea?
[10:14] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: like what?
[10:14] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: you have to install the plugins-unsupported for some stuff, like snow
[10:14] <Jucato> !beryl
[10:14] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:14] <Jucato> for beryl related discussion ^^^^^
[10:15] <c0nv1ct> aye aye channel nazi
[10:15] <Skuller> lol
[10:15] <Skuller> ok
[10:15] <c0nv1ct> #beryl works too, i'm in there
[10:15] <ebotvine> c0nv1ct: Error: "beryl" is not a valid command.
[10:16] <c0nv1ct> ebotvine: its not installed then :)
[10:16] <hak5fan> Hello. Does anybody know it it's possible to hide the titilebar of the wine desktop?
[10:16] <fdoving> who owns ebotvine?
[10:16] <Jucato> I was about to ask the same thing fdoving
[10:16] <c0nv1ct> oh its a bot, i just realized that
[10:17] <c0nv1ct> #botwtf?
[10:17] <c0nv1ct> aww
[10:17] <Skuller> lol
[10:17] <Skuller> #bot
[10:17] <Skuller> relax dude
[10:18] <Jucato> :)
[10:20] <cyt> Anyone can run skype-1.3.0.53 on Feisty beta?
[10:20] <pollyo> cyt: I have skype.  Let me see what verions.
[10:21] <c0nv1ct> sure
[10:21] <pollyo> cyt: Yes v 1.3.0.53.  Everything appears to work never tested it with my microphone though.
[10:22] <cyt> pollyo: Did you get the deb from skype site?
[10:23] <pollyo> cyt: I think I did.
[10:24] <cyt> pollyo: In my machine, it runs 'core dumped' :(
[10:24] <pollyo> cyt: I'm not 100% sure though.
[10:24] <Skuller> my glass monitor superkaramba theme shows cpu usage 100%...how do i check what is screwing my baby?
[10:24] <pollyo> cyt: Is it in the Adept Manager List?
[10:24] <fdoving> Skuller: ctrl-esc
[10:24] <Skuller> fdoving: which column represents the cpu usage by a program?
[10:25] <cyt> pollyo: I manually 'sudo dpkg -i skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.deb'.
[10:25] <cyt> Let me check it.
[10:25] <fdoving> Skuller: user% and system%
[10:25] <Jucato> Skuller: System% afaik
[10:25] <Jucato> snap :)
[10:26] <cyt> pollyo: yes, there it is.
[10:26] <Skuller> Jucato: the highest usage was like about 15% only
[10:26] <c0nv1ct> the karamba theme might have an error then
[10:26] <Skuller> Jucato: omg..the install.sh process was runnin..remember the one which i couldnt get to work
[10:26] <Jucato> yeah
[10:27] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: have you tried other themes to see if it registers 100% too?
[10:27] <c0nv1ct> oh nm
[10:27] <pollyo> cyt: Can you uninstall the deb package and attempt that one? I never looked at how to uninstall using the command line.
[10:27] <hak5fan> skype has an apt repo here deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[10:27] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: no...but i opened ksysguard in K-->system-->ksysguard
[10:27] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: and cpu load was full
[10:27] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: ah, then its correct
[10:28] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: the theme i use shows the program using the most cpu :P
[10:28] <Skuller> its all sweet since i killed off the two 'install.sh' processes
[10:28] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: which one would that be :)?
[10:28] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: i used BuildAMon, and modified it quite a bit
[10:28] <cyt> pollyo: well, but skype is not in ubuntu repos?
[10:29] <dystopianray> if I connect to a wifi network with knetworkmanager and logout, does the network stay connected?
[10:29] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: but the part that shows the highest cpu process is there by default
[10:29] <cyt> pollyo: so I get the deb from skype website.
[10:29] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: ohh...i guess you need programming skills for that
[10:29] <pollyo> Anyone know how I can get access to my windows XP drive from within linux?  I tried a script on one of the ubuntu websites that said it would but i get "You do not have access rights to this location" when I attempt to open the mounted drive.
[10:29] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: nah, its pretty simple
[10:29] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: oh then i guess i should try it as well
[10:29] <metty_> i got a audio cd in my /dev/hdb, how can i rund the mp3s or .wavs pls??
[10:30] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: i wanted a lot of eye candy for my os to show off to friends and make them switch from xp
[10:30] <cyt> pollyo: Thanks anyway, I would try the static binary version on the skype website.
[10:30] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: nice "D
[10:30] <pollyo> cyt: Someone posted a link with packages from skype's site.
[10:30] <Jucato> !ntfs | pollyo
[10:30] <ubotu> pollyo: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:30] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: i showed them the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbICCi6jxlI&NR but couldnt show them the same thing in mah comp
[10:30] <Skuller> :(
[10:30] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: i dont know how to
[10:30] <c0nv1ct> lemme look, 1 sec
[10:31] <dystopianray> Skuller: your friends are so stupid that they'd switch just becuase of some dumb effects??
[10:31] <pollyo> Jucato: Thanks.  That is the script I tried.
[10:31] <pollyo> Jucato: Guess I'll have to do the indepth reading.
[10:31] <Skuller> dystopianray: they are stupid in terms of general computer usage...and are under strong influence of windows....need a STRONG motivation to switch
[10:33] <dystopianray> beryl is in the offical repos now, for feisty
[10:33] <Skuller> ahh...thats good
[10:33] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: what parts were you not able to replicate?
[10:33] <hak5fan> Skuller making people swhich to llinux isn't easy
[10:33] <Skuller> the only two things i want from feisty 'real bad' are support for my webcam and apc ups
[10:34] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: i can get a 3d cube...but its only horizontal moving and not free form
[10:34] <dystopianray> Skuller: the ups utitlies in the ubuntu repos don't support your ups?
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: that could be a mouse problem, how are you moving the cube?
[10:35] <Skuller> dystopianray: there is a driver named 'apcupsd'..i read the manual for it and got lost in getting it to work....tried twice with no luck
[10:35] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: using edges and also scrollwheel
[10:35] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: try pressing in the scroll wheel (middle mouse button)
[10:35] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: also my system lags when using beryl
[10:36] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: woooooot....it worked
[10:36] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: stupid me dint  know the shortcuts
[10:36] <c0nv1ct> lol
[10:36] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: k, what else :)
[10:36] <dystopianray> Skuller: there is probably a howto for it somewhere
[10:36] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: can you tell me some more things about beryl that a guy like wouldnt know
[10:38] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: what else do ya want to know, i'll tell ya if i can
[10:39] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: tell me the basic fascinations with it
[10:39] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: or if possible a page tellin u the basics would be nice
[10:39] <c0nv1ct> not sure about that
[10:39] <c0nv1ct> i know the general shortcuts and stuff
[10:40] <Skuller> sure would love to   know
[10:40] <c0nv1ct> like, shift-f9 is for rain
[10:40] <c0nv1ct> win+f3 is for snow, if you have it installed
[10:41] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: looks like i dont...how do i go about doing so?
[10:41] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: install the plugins-unsupprted package
[10:43] <dettoaltrimenti> I mounted an external HD and it says in Konqueror that I don't have the permissions to read or write to it- what can I do?
[10:43] <c0nv1ct> dettoaltrimenti: remount it with proper permissions
[10:43] <dettoaltrimenti> ok, so how do I mount a drive with permissions to read and write
[10:43] <Ayabara2> do you guys use the skype plugin for kopete?
[10:44] <c0nv1ct> dettoaltrimenti: type 'man mount'
[10:44] <dettoaltrimenti> ok c0nv1ct, or you could just tell me. Thanks, I'll spend 20 minutes reading now
[10:45] <mrigns> dettoaltrimenti: sudo chmod 677 the directory
[10:45] <c0nv1ct> i can hold your hand if you want, but learning how to do it yourself will be more beneficial
[10:45] <dettoaltrimenti> thanks
[10:46] <mrigns> dettoaltrimenti: but c0nv1ct is right. you should find out some stuff on your own
[10:46] <c0nv1ct> mrigns: atleast the usuall routes, man pages, google, wiki
[10:46] <dettoaltrimenti> well, I'd like to have read and write permissions whenever I plug something in, without having to learn on my own
[10:46] <dettoaltrimenti> and I don't have all day to play on the computer doing this
[10:46] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: i changed some stuff in the beryl settings n everything froze...i am back after a ctrl-alt-bkspc
[10:47] <c0nv1ct> learn it once, and you wont have to ask again
[10:47] <dettoaltrimenti> tell me once, I won't have to ask again
[10:47] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: lol, what did you break?
[10:47] <mrigns> u can edit /etc/fstab
[10:47] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: no idea
[10:47] <c0nv1ct> dettoaltrimenti: learning where to go for information, will help you ask less often
[10:48] <mrigns> Skuller: does is now freez everytime you start it?
[10:48] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: yeah, what does it do exactly
[10:50] <benito> !ati
[10:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:50] <benito> sweet
[10:52] <ldaniel> hi, I installed beryl and it works fine, but i have a little problem. When a window is maximised the (left and right) upper bottons are missing. Help. Thanks
[10:53] <c0nv1ct> ldaniel: weird, havent seen that one
[10:53] <blue|palm> Can anyone tell me how to manually mount a usb drive? Or how to fix my automount which decided to stop working?
[10:53] <c0nv1ct> blue|palm: whats the device name?
[10:54] <blue|palm> c0nv1ct: I know how to sudo mount device destination
[10:54] <blue|palm> c0nv1ct: Isnt there an easier method?
[10:54] <c0nv1ct> blue|palm: there may be a gui method, but i wouldnt know
[10:54] <blue|palm> c0nv1ct: because if i have 6 usb drives i have to mount each to a seperate folder.. .which is irritating
[10:55] <blue|palm> c0nv1ct: automount mounted it automatically, i dont know why it stopped working...
[10:55] <c0nv1ct> blue|palm: ive had the automount stop working on me too in ubuntu, not sure what the deal is
[10:55] <blue|palm> c0nv1ct: did you manage to fix it?
[10:55] <c0nv1ct> blue|palm: in kde i dunno, but there is a gnome app that handles it
[10:55] <blue|palm> c0nv1ct: i am in gnome right now (kubuntu though :) )
[10:56] <blue|palm> c0nv1ct: what is the gnome app?
[10:56] <blue|palm> !automount
[10:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:56] <blue|palm> !usb
[10:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:56] <blue|palm> !diskmounter
[10:56] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[10:57] <c0nv1ct> blue|palm: it may be gnome-volume-manager, but i'm not sure
[10:57] <benito> hey guys, wondering how i can install en_au lang pack?
[10:58] <blue|palm> c0nv1ct: ive launched it, what do i do now?
[10:58] <c0nv1ct> blue|palm: not sure, i use kde :P
[10:58] <blue|palm> hehe
[10:58] <blue|palm> !mount
[10:58] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[10:58] <c0nv1ct> ther is also a tool called gnome-mount, if that helps any
[10:59] <blue|palm> !DiskMounter
[10:59] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[10:59] <blue|palm> !fstab
[10:59] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[11:00] <c0nv1ct> blue|palm: "gnome-volume-manager is a GNOME daemon that acts as a policy agent in top of the kernel, udev, d-bus and HAL. It listens to HAL events and reacts with user-configurable actions. Currently it supports automount of new media and hot-plugged devices, autorun, autoplay for CDs and DVDs, and automatic camera management"
[11:01] <c0nv1ct> thats it, now u just gotta figure out how it works :D
[11:01] <c0nv1ct> maybe just restarting the daemon will do the trick
[11:01] <blue|palm> c0nv1ct: thanks
[11:01] <pollyo> How do you find out your user bnumber?
[11:01] <pollyo> uid?
[11:02] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: omg
[11:02] <eilker> !ssh
[11:02] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[11:02] <eilker> Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
[11:03] <SagaciousKJB> eilker
[11:03] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: after that tampering with setting in beryl...my comp froze...i restarted X and started beryl again and it froze so i had to restart the system...now i have started again with no beryl
[11:03] <SagaciousKJB> Is StrictModes enabled?
[11:03] <SagaciousKJB> Public keys would not work for me no matter what if StrictModes was enabled.
[11:03] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: if all else fails, delete the .beryl directory in your home dir
[11:03] <eilker> SagaciousKJB> i have no idea, how can i ?
[11:04] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: that will revert back to default settings
[11:04] <SagaciousKJB> In your ssh config file, just look for the StrictModes option.
[11:04] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: ok i wil do that...
[11:04] <Jucato> pollyo: "id" command
[11:04] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: another thing i think worth mentioning
[11:04] <Jucato> clear
[11:04] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: my GLX texture map or sum thing y fails coz its not loaded/installed
[11:05] <Jucato> er.. :)
[11:05] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: thats not good
[11:05] <SagaciousKJB> eilker: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30709&highlight=setting+public+keys  That should help get you set up.
[11:05] <eilker> SagaciousKJB> thanx
[11:05] <weedar> When connecting removeable devices, how can I make sure that the cache is flushed before I disconnect the device?
[11:06] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: the place where it does "xxx..PASSED, XXX...PASSED"....the last thing there, it fails it...i tried to install that thing acc to the documentation but everytime i input the code in my xorg.conf as it tells me to do my X ends up screwing up and i have to reconfigure it
[11:06] <aseigo> weedar: go to /media, right click on the device, select "safely remove"
[11:06] <SagaciousKJB> Can anyone reccomend me a guide for ripping DVDs with AcidRip?
[11:06] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: yeah, you may need to reconfigure xorg.conf with nvidia-settings
[11:07] <SagaciousKJB> I'm not sure how to configure the bitrates and quality presets.
[11:07] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: check the forums, i gotta sleep or i'd help :P
[11:07] <weedar> aseigo: thanks alot :)
[11:07] <SagaciousKJB> For an aexmpale, "Ichroma_opt:vhq=4:bvhq=1:quant_type=mpeg" I have no idea what that means
[11:07] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: thanks for all your help....goodnight
[11:07] <aseigo> weedar: np
[11:08] <Jucato> pollyo: were you able to get my answer to your question? (about user ID number?)
[11:09] <pollyo> jucato: I didn't see your answer but found it in system settings.  thank you though.
[11:09] <Jucato> pollyo: the command is "id"
[11:09] <pollyo> Yes!  I got my windows xp partion mounted (read only)
[11:09] <pollyo> jucato: In shell I  can type id and get my uid?
[11:09] <Jucato> yep
[11:10] <pollyo> jucato: Thank you.
[11:10] <pollyo> Anyone know how well ntfs write capability is coming along?
[11:10] <dystopianray> pollyo: very well, use ntfs-3g
[11:10] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g | pollyo
[11:10] <ubotu> pollyo: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[11:11] <pollyo> Thank you.
[11:11] <genii> note: ntfs-3g not yet known to work on Vista's version of ntfs yet
[11:11] <pollyo> Do they have any feisty specific information?
[11:11] <JohnFlux_> genii: ntfs changed in vista??
[11:11] <dystopianray> JohnFlux_: they change it in every windows release
[11:17] <ozgur> #kubuntu-tr
[11:17] <ozgur> hiii
[11:18] <ozgur>  wannt help
[11:18] <ozgur> please help me
[11:18] <dystopianray> never!
[11:19] <ozgur> why
[11:19] <ozgur> ??
[11:19] <dystopianray> becuae I don't know what you're having trouble with
[11:20] <ozgur>  wannt listen to mp3 my penguin
[11:20] <ozgur> but listen not
[11:20] <dystopianray> ozgur: apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[11:20] <dystopianray> ozgur: you must enable the universe repositry first though
[11:20] <ozgur> how?
[11:21] <dettoaltrimenti> I have a flash drive that I can write to, but I can't move anything to the trash- did I mount it wrong?
[11:21] <ozgur> tell me please
[11:21] <dystopianray> umm.. you can edit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[11:21] <dystopianray> or there is probalby some way to do it with one of the graphical package managers
[11:22] <stdin> ozgur: asked in #ubuntu-tr ?
[11:22] <ozgur> ubuntu-tr empty
[11:22] <dettoaltrimenti> ozgur- do you have the program Adept?
[11:23] <ozgur>  havekde 3.5.2
[11:23] <ozgur> and m first linux
[11:23] <dettoaltrimenti> ozgur KMenu----System----Adept Manager Manage Packages
[11:24] <ozgur> wait please
[11:24] <ozgur> yes
[11:24] <dettoaltrimenti> ok
[11:24] <Skuller> my beryl cube has become a triangle and there r 3 desktops instead of 4...how do i change it back?
[11:25] <ozgur> amarok-arts not installed
[11:25] <the-erm> I was thinking of getting a laptop.  I don't want vista pre-installed, I'd prefer kubuntu pre-installed anyone know of places that do this.  I don't one cent going to $MS otherwise I'd just go to walmart and get one there.
[11:25] <pollyo> Do they have a windows driver to read linux partitions?
[11:25] <dystopianray> pollyo: yes, but only for ext2
[11:25] <Skuller> pollyo: EX2IFS
[11:26] <Jucato> well, ext3 is basically ext2
[11:26] <Skuller> or something like that
[11:26] <ozgur> skuller please tell me
[11:26] <Jucato> ext3 = ext2 + journaling
[11:26] <Skuller> ozgur: what?
[11:26] <pollyo> Thank you.
[11:26] <dystopianray> without journalling it's as shit as fat32
[11:26] <ozgur> tell me
[11:27] <Skuller> ozgur: umm what?
[11:27] <ozgur>  wannt listen to amarok
[11:27] <ozgur> but play not
[11:27] <dystopianray> ozgur: enable universe and install libxine-extracodecs
[11:27] <pollyo> The one thing I would like to figure out is how to load both linux and windows in virtualization from either os though a partition rather then an image file.
[11:28] <ozgur> where cann i find?
[11:28] <pollyo> I was reading it might be difficult to do with windows because of the driver situation.
[11:28] <maltron> hi, anyone have any idea why I've been banned from #ubuntu?
[11:28] <dystopianray> very difficult
[11:28] <dystopianray> windows can't even surive a mobo change
[11:28] <dystopianray> maltron: spamming
[11:29] <maltron> dystopianray: I can't see how - I don't do that.
[11:29] <Skuller> ozgur: which language?
[11:29] <Skuller> ozgur: go to that language chaneel
[11:29] <ozgur> ok thanks
[11:29] <dystopianray> maltron: well it was just an idea, I don't really know
[11:29] <AbortD> ......
[11:30] <dystopianray> who knows how I can get textured video working with the i810 driver?
[11:30] <maltron> dystopianray: matter of fact, I haven't been on there in ages anyway...  I have a question about JACK and Jackbeat in particular - I can't seem to get it working in Ubuntu (I use Kubuntu too, in any case I suspect the problem has little to do with the desktop..)
[11:31] <dystopianray> I don't know anything about jack
[11:31] <maltron> anyone here familiar with working with jackbeat or JACK?
[11:32] <maltron> dystopianray: funny - I don't know jack about anything...
[11:38] <dystopianray>  how can I change what xv adapter is being used?
[11:43] <AbortD> it feels so good to be out of jail
[11:48] <polly1> Anyone familiar with fstab?
[11:48] <fdoving> polly1: yes.
[11:48] <polly1> fdoving: I noticed all the lines in fstab end in 0 0 is that required?
[11:49] <dettoaltrimenti> I have an external harddrive that automatically mounts when I plug it in, but it's read only- how do I get write permissions?
[11:49] <polly1> fdoving: I got this line for fstab from a website :   ntfs-3g /dev/sda /media/sda1 -o silent,umask=0,local=en_US.utf8
[11:49] <AbortD> i just edited fstab earlier
[11:49] <AbortD> what are you trying to do?
[11:50] <polly1> AbortD: I'm mounting an nfts drive.
[11:50] <raffytaffy> hi AbortD
[11:52] <AbortD> hi raffytaffy
[11:52] <AbortD> guess what happened in the time we talked
[11:52] <AbortD> polly1 a partition or a seperate disk drive?
[11:52] <raffytaffy> what happen
[11:53] <polly1> AbortD: A partition on another drive.
[11:53] <AbortD> fucking jail with a 16 grand bond
[11:53] <AbortD> does it already read the drive?
[11:53] <fdoving> polly1: in konqueror input #fstab scroll down till you find "The fifth field" and "The sixth field"
[11:53] <polly1> AbortD: I was using ntfs but I want to switch to ntfs-3g
[11:54] <fdoving> polly1: that will explain what those numbers are.
[11:54] <AbortD> oh no idea thought u were trying to mount
[11:59] <ForgeAus> you mean fusemount?
[12:01] <ForgeAus> !ntfs
[12:01] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:01] <ForgeAus> !ntfs-3g
[12:01] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[12:01] <[miles] > afternoon guys... anyone tell me what kernel 7.04 beta is running please?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'LongPointyStick': Linux 2.6.20-12-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2250  @ 1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), HD: 25/72GB, RAM: 647/1510MB, 132 proc's, 25.55min up
[12:02] <dystopianray> [miles] : 2.6.20
[12:02] <[miles] > cheers
[12:02] <[miles] > nice
[12:02] <dystopianray> [miles] : ask feisty questions in #ubuntu+1
[12:02] <dystopianray> this room is for edgy
[12:02] <[miles] > ah sorry
[12:04] <raffytaffy> *searches for a glass of water*
[12:05] <listeper> Hello all. Im brand new in Kubuntu. That will say, i startede out yesterday. I have got a few question. One of them is about my hardware config. I have 1Gb RAM and a GeForceFX 5600 Graphics card, But it doesn't run as smooth as you would think. Does Kubuntu really requires that much?
[12:05] <raffytaffy> listeper: are you on a laptop?
[12:05] <[miles] > raffytaffy: I've built at work 2.6.20-3 in Kubuntu 6.10 ... it's fast
[12:06] <listeper> raffytaffy: Nope.
[12:06] <raffytaffy> i use vanila kernels from kernel.org
[12:06] <dystopianray> listeper: you're probably not using the binary driver
[12:06] <dystopianray> for nvidia i mean
[12:06] <listeper> dystopianray: Anywhere i can check that, and maybe change that?
[12:06] <raffytaffy> once i compile them i fakeroot -dpkg - install :P
[12:06] <dystopianray> listeper: install nvidia-glx, then change "nv" to "nvidia" in your xorg.conf
[12:07] <dettoaltrimenti> I tried mounting an NTFS drive by editing the fstab, but when I try to open the drive it says "you don't have enough permissions to read...." anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
[12:07] <raffytaffy> he can run nvidia-config no?
[12:07] <AbortD> there is a new kernel?/
[12:07] <dystopianray> raffytaffy: shouldn't need to
[12:07] <AbortD> there is a nvidia config how?
[12:07] <raffytaffy> AbortD: kernel.org release 2.6.20.4 it seems
[12:07] <raffytaffy> i look @ changelog some new netfilter changes
[12:07] <listeper> dystopianray: Thank you, one moment.
[12:07] <raffytaffy> and they fix memo leaks
[12:08] <AbortD> hm
[12:08] <AbortD> netfilter?
[12:09] <raffytaffy> yes netfilter section like xtables and iptables modules
[12:09] <listeper> dystopianray: install: missing destination file operand after 'nvidia-glx' Do i need to set up a new repository?
[12:09] <AbortD> ah
[12:09] <dystopianray> listeper: you probably need to enable multiverse
[12:09] <raffytaffy> you never install a vanila kernel AbortD?
[12:09] <listeper> dystopianray: That is enabled.
[12:09] <AbortD> what about the dnstables module in the right sector?
[12:09] <AbortD> nah
[12:09] <dystopianray> listeper: have you run apt-get update ?
[12:09] <dystopianray> listeper: are you using 6.10?
[12:09] <raffytaffy> its fun and rewarding
[12:09] <raffytaffy> imo
[12:10] <listeper> dystopianray: I'v updated, and im on 6.06 dapper.
[12:10] <dystopianray> vanilla kernel is missing lots of drivers
[12:10] <polly1> dettoaltrimenti: I had to set my uid in fstab.
[12:10] <dystopianray> listeper: oh, 6.06 might not have nvidia-glx
[12:10] <AbortD> how rewarding?
[12:10] <raffytaffy> dystopianray: i incorporate them offcourse
[12:10] <ForgeAus> if this channel is for edgy ie 6.10 and #ubuntu+1 is for feisty then does that mean #ubuntu-1 is for dapper? lol :)
[12:10] <listeper> dystopianray: darn it, so nothing for me to do?
[12:10] <raffytaffy> i just compile and build what i need
[12:10] <dettoaltrimenti> polly1, how do I do that
[12:11] <raffytaffy> AbortD : my laptop flies on custom kernels...the ones from apt-get not so much
[12:11] <AbortD> i wish i remember more about linux than i do
[12:11] <dystopianray> ForgeAus: this channel is for edgy and dapper
[12:11] <ForgeAus> how about hoary and breezy?
[12:11] <dystopianray> ForgeAus: #ubuntu+1 is for non final releases, which is currently feisty
[12:11] <raffytaffy> dystopianray: what about nutjobs like me who run both :P
[12:11] <polly1> dettoaltrimenti: Let me double check.
[12:11] <raffytaffy> and feisty
[12:11] <AbortD> what is the stuff u need to compile?
[12:11] <AbortD> buildesentials?
[12:12] <AbortD> buildessentials
[12:12] <dystopianray> ForgeAus: yeah you can ask about them here, but they're pretty old
[12:12] <raffytaffy> well like wireless drivers...thou i dont use them
[12:12] <ForgeAus> agreed and I wouldn't want to coz I dont run them personally...
[12:12] <raffytaffy> plus u can cut out all the xtra modules u dont need
[12:12] <polly1> !ntfs
[12:12] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:12] <ForgeAus> I look forward to the day when I can say I've forgotten more about linux than most people will ever know!
[12:13] <raffytaffy> im tempted to write a script to auto-install kernel from kernel-org...but not sure as to how it would incorporate into dif boxes
[12:13] <dystopianray> listeper: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[12:13] <ForgeAus> but if you take that kind of overview, I'm basically still a newbie...
[12:13] <Hobbsee> !b-e | AbortD
[12:13] <ubotu> AbortD: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:13] <polly1> dettoaltrimenti: Try that website... Here is what it suggests:  ro,user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000
[12:14] <polly1> dettoaltrimenti: Notice the uid=
[12:14] <eXistenZ> any packages manager better than adept?
[12:14] <raffytaffy> Smart : eXistenZ
[12:14] <ForgeAus> better?
[12:14] <ForgeAus> whats wrong with adept?
[12:14] <AbortD> i took notes on  this but lost em
[12:14] <dettoaltrimenti> thanks polly1 I'll try it
[12:14] <eXistenZ> I find it limiting
[12:14] <ForgeAus> there was a Synaptic
[12:14] <AbortD> i will have to get ahold of a old friend to help me out again
[12:14] <ForgeAus> you could use Kpackage
[12:14] <polly1> dettoaltrimenti: I just installed the ntfs-3g with read/right ablility is that something you are looking for or just read?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> eXistenZ: synaptic
[12:15] <ForgeAus> erm sorry I meant Kynaptic, there WAS a kynaptic
[12:15] <AbortD> i like   compiling
[12:15] <listeper> dystopianray: Thanks, i was googling myself. I'll try that, One minute.
[12:15] <raffytaffy> what u need help with AbortD
[12:15] <ForgeAus> Synaptic works for kubuntu also (because of gtk)
[12:15] <AbortD> it'll have to be a time im not getting drunk though so i can take notes ;P
[12:15] <dettoaltrimenti> polly1 I can read, and if I mount using 'ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/external' I can also write, but I'm trying to get it to automatically mount when I plug it in
[12:15] <raffytaffy> o.0 notes ehh
[12:15] <ForgeAus> smart is an option, so is aptitude and/or apt-get (if your into curses)
[12:16] <raffytaffy> smart with apt-get is great combo imo
[12:16] <raffytaffy> but not so much for new guys
[12:16] <ForgeAus> hehe smart hmmm...
[12:16] <ForgeAus> Mandriva is good with smart...
[12:16] <eXistenZ> I had some nice wallpaper but I lost it =/
[12:16] <eXistenZ> I'm searching in the net for it
[12:16] <polly1> dettoaltrimenti: I think you have to add the auto option to the fstab entry.
[12:16] <raffytaffy> i wouldnt touch mandriva hehe
[12:16] <AbortD> i made my own wallpaper from the linux girl and the KDE thing with the line across the screen
[12:16] <dettoaltrimenti> polly1 no sorry, I mean it mounts automatically, but as read-only
[12:17] <AbortD> gimp is great  for everything
[12:17] <ForgeAus> I'm not a fan of rpm based distros either
[12:17] <the-erm> I used to run mandriva, probably would still be running it if their installer worked on my new computer.
[12:17] <AbortD> i  hate rpm
[12:17] <raffytaffy> ill do gentoo and debian type ...source even
[12:17] <ForgeAus> linux seems to be prone to dependancy hell
[12:17] <raffytaffy> but never rpm
[12:17] <the-erm> I'm glad I switched to kubuntu tho.
[12:17] <the-erm> I like the fact you can update everything easily.
[12:17] <ForgeAus> raffy how about slackware
[12:17] <ForgeAus> or pkgsrc-based?
[12:17] <raffytaffy> when i say source i mean slack:P
[12:17] <AbortD> i love the fact of super karamba
[12:17] <raffytaffy> but havent used slack in years
[12:17] <ForgeAus> slack isn't source-based
[12:17] <listeper> dystopianray: Should main restricted find it?
[12:18] <chrismhampson> raffytaffy: Although I love ubuntu i also run pclinuxos and it is by far the best and easiest linux OS out there
[12:18] <ForgeAus> in fact most slack packages are binaries that you can driectly copy into a kubuntu distro
[12:18] <dystopianray> listeper: I don't know
[12:18] <ForgeAus> (I know I've successfully done it)
[12:18] <AbortD> super karamba is in apt-get or adept right?
[12:18] <ForgeAus> I don't use gslapt to INSTALL just to read the PACKAGES.TXT info)....
[12:18] <raffytaffy> i prefer to compile on my own
[12:18] <polly1> dettoaltrimenti: This is the option I used for fstab: /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8   0    0
[12:19] <listeper> dystopianray: Oh, it's because your tutorial talk something about enable restricted packages. And im not all sure how toi do that.
[12:19] <polly1> dettoaltrimenti: It appears to allow me to read and write.
[12:20] <polly1> dettoaltrimenti: I'm just not sure where to add the auto.  I'm thinking right before the defaults
[12:20] <raffytaffy> i think slackware has umm arch linux? or was it called err...zen walk?
[12:20] <raffytaffy> i dont stay up to date with all these new spawns
[12:21] <dystopianray> listeper: oh, I've never used that guide, or used nvidia in dapper, so i'm not really sure
[12:21] <raffytaffy> i visit that distro watch place a while back and was exasterbated from goin thru the long lists of distros:P
[12:22] <the-erm> AbortD: apt-get install superkaramba
[12:22] <raffytaffy> apt-get moo
[12:22] <raffytaffy> lol
[12:22] <AbortD> wouldnt it be sudo apt-get install?
[12:23] <dystopianray> AbortD: yes, you should know to prefix sudo onto apt-get if you are not already root
[12:23] <raffytaffy> if youre a renegade dont forget the -f switch @ the end lol
[12:24] <AbortD> i want to just fing run in root..
[12:25] <raffytaffy> running things in root bad idea
[12:25] <_4strO> yop
[12:25] <AbortD> i used to edit super karamba graphics
[12:25] <AbortD> in the clocks making them transparent and mosaic
[12:25] <AbortD> to blend in with the kde moon
[12:26] <tmbg_> AbortD, yo.
[12:26] <raffytaffy> im old fashioned . simple conky and no accelerated desktops for me
[12:26] <AbortD> i wish i didnt kill my usb drive
[12:26] <AbortD> hey whats up tmbg_
[12:26] <polly1> I noticed icons getting lost behind super karamba items.
[12:26] <AbortD> yeah
[12:26] <dystopianray> AbortD: you want a root shell? just run $ sudo su
[12:26] <AbortD> gotta situate them
[12:26] <AbortD> yeah
[12:26] <AbortD> i want to run root period
[12:26] <AbortD> login as root
[12:26] <dystopianray> AbortD: give root a password
[12:26] <the-erm> sudo root
[12:27] <the-erm> then you can passwd
[12:27] <fdoving> !rootsudo
[12:27] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:27] <the-erm> er sudo su  ...
[12:27] <raffytaffy> AbortD : put down the booze my brother lol
[12:27] <AbortD> haha
[12:27] <the-erm> or you can sudo passwd  to set the password.  then su
[12:28] <AbortD> ii sh@11 sUd0 y0u!
[12:28] <tmbg_> I sorta like the disabled root account. so far I've been able to get sudo to do everything I wanted.
[12:28] <the-erm> Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question.
[12:28] <AbortD> i dont feel like entering it for everything :P
[12:28] <AbortD> you're not in a sense
[12:28] <AbortD> u are ok
[12:29] <raffytaffy> AbortD : permissions are what make linux linux
[12:29] <raffytaffy> if u take them away. u take away the essance of linux
[12:29] <AbortD> yeah
[12:29] <the-erm> I prefer not to use the sudo command.  So I set up root as an account like I'm used to.
[12:29] <AbortD> not really though
[12:29] <tmbg_> perhaps you could adjust the timestamp life in sudo.
[12:29] <raffytaffy> sudo su runs root
[12:30] <fdoving> sudo -i too.
[12:30] <tmbg_> that way you won't be troubled as much with entering passwords but you won't have to set up the root acct
[12:30] <AbortD> only in one term
[12:30] <AbortD> when it is gone you are out of sudo
[12:30] <raffytaffy> sudo -l is how to bypass security:P
[12:35] <polly1> Any way to impove the print quality for printers?
[12:35] <polly1> When I print under linux it isn't as sharp as when I print from windows.
[12:35] <listeper> dystopianray: works like a charme!!
[12:35] <dystopianray> listeper: excellent
[12:36] <listeper> dystopianray: Is there anything more i can do to tweak it up?
[12:36] <listeper> dystopianray: You know, i would like to get the best thing out of my hardware.
[12:36] <dystopianray> listeper: do this: $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[12:37] <raffytaffy> listeper: once again ; to get best out of hardware compile custom kernel with exact hardware specifications
[12:37] <dystopianray> raffytaffy: how will that get the best out of hardware?
[12:37] <raffytaffy> bcse u will only load up specific stuff
[12:37] <raffytaffy> imo speeds up boot time and performance
[12:38] <listeper> raffytaffy: Is that easy to do?
[12:38] <raffytaffy> depends
[12:38] <dystopianray> listeper: don't do it unless you have a specific reason to, you'll probably horribly break your system
[12:38] <dystopianray> listeper: that command I gave you, are fast writes and sba enabled or disabled?
[12:38] <raffytaffy> i have posted a fairly easy how-to ...but as dystopianray says..u may break stuff
[12:39] <raffytaffy> what i do is make a .deb out of the kernel and install it as such
[12:39] <listeper> dystopianray: FW: Disabled SBA: Enabled
[12:39] <AbortD> break what?
[12:40] <dystopianray> listeper: ok, now run: $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/card
[12:40] <listeper> raffytaffy: Can i have the addy for that guide, i would like to look into it, not meaning im going to do it ;)
[12:40] <dystopianray> listeper: and $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge
[12:40] <raffytaffy> yes sure
[12:40] <dystopianray> listeper: and tell me if both say 'fast writes' are supported
[12:40] <raffytaffy> http://linuxnoobies.19.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=66
[12:40] <listeper> dystopianray: Both says Supported :)
[12:41] <dystopianray> listeper: ok, edit the file /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc
[12:41] <dystopianray> listeper: and add the following line: options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1
[12:41] <listeper> dystopianray: With sudo i assume?
[12:42] <dystopianray> listeper: yes, edit it as root
[12:42] <dystopianray> listeper: with your favourite editor
[12:43] <dystopianray> listeper: should pretty much look like this: http://pastebin.ca/407852
[12:44] <Flosoft> hey
[12:44] <Flosoft> I have a problem with Knetworkmanager
[12:44] <listeper> dystopianray: One moment, even though i have 2M/bit my internet is really slow on this Kubuntu.
[12:44] <Flosoft> when connecting to a wifi ... it constantly stalls at 28% - Configuring device
[12:44] <dystopianray> Flosoft: what wireless hardware do you have?
[12:44] <Flosoft> Intel Pro/Set Wireless 2200BG
[12:45] <dystopianray> Flosoft: hrrm same as me, should 'just work'
[12:45] <Flosoft> hmm
[12:45] <listeper> dystopianray: done! Looks exactly like you showed me.
[12:45] <dystopianray> Flosoft: dapper or edgy?
[12:45] <Flosoft> Feisty
[12:45] <dystopianray> listeper: ok, now reboot
[12:45] <AbortD> :P
[12:45] <dystopianray> listeper: and let me know when you come back
[12:45] <AbortD> u were wrong on both guesses dystopianray!
[12:45] <Flosoft> same on dapper / edgy though
[12:45] <listeper> dystopianray: I guess a ctrl-alt-backspace isn't enough?
[12:45] <dystopianray> listeper: no, you don't need to reboot
[12:45] <dystopianray> listeper: but you have to stop X, unload the nvidia driver and then start X again
[12:46] <dystopianray> listeper: if you can do that, do it, but otherwise just reboot
[12:46] <listeper> dystopianray: So i can just do  a ctrl-alt-backspace to reboot KDE and not my computer?
[12:46] <mte_> hi..I installed the Herd 5 several days ago. If I upgrade evertything (adept upgrade) is it now the same as the new Beta?
[12:46] <dystopianray> listeper: no, you have to unload the nvidia driver, killing X is not enough
[12:46] <dystopianray> listeper: the easiest way is to just reboot
[12:47] <listeper> Okay, im back in a jiffy. Full system reboot coming up :)
[12:47] <listeper> thx :D
[12:47] <AbortD> is ktorrent actually worth usingG?
[12:47] <raffytaffy> imo its always good to keep a nvidia installer package in home folder
[12:48] <raffytaffy> azureus is better imo
[12:48] <Flosoft> dystopianray: If you want I can open a screen where there's the log
[12:48] <Flosoft> it is too long to paste
[12:48] <polly1> When (K)ubuntu comes out with new versions does it update the software versions for the various packages in adept as well?
[12:48] <dystopianray> Flosoft: have you tried rebooting the access point?
[12:48] <dystopianray> Flosoft: and are you absolutely certain you have the encryption settings correct?
[12:49] <Flosoft> yes
[12:49] <dystopianray> Flosoft: try disabling encryption temporarily and see if it can connect
[12:49] <AbortD> raffytaffy: i use nvidia 5500 fx 256  ram do i need it?
[12:49] <Flosoft> ok ... i'll create another SSID
[12:49] <AbortD> i think thats what it is
[12:49] <raffytaffy> need what AbortD?
[12:50] <AbortD> nvidia packages?
[12:50] <raffytaffy> use apt-get :P
[12:50] <AbortD> i updated with apt-get
[12:50] <AbortD> i added kde bleeding edge
[12:50] <AbortD> and amarok
[12:50] <AbortD> and wine
[12:50] <listeper> dystopianray: And now i ask you, what does it do? :D I trust you blindly.
[12:50] <raffytaffy> i use wine for one application only
[12:50] <AbortD> whats that?/
[12:50] <raffytaffy> yahelite hehe
[12:51] <AbortD> ?????
[12:51] <raffytaffy> its a yahoo chat client
[12:51] <dystopianray> listeper: $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[12:51] <dystopianray> listeper: run that, fast writes and sba should say 'enabled' now
[12:51] <listeper> dystopianray: They do indeed.. But im not writing any faster, if you catch my drift? ;)
[12:52] <Flosoft> ok
[12:52] <Flosoft> an Completely Open System works
[12:52] <listeper> dystopianray: So is it me gfx thats being written faster onto my screen?
[12:52] <dystopianray> listeper: you should have faster video performance now, but how much faster, I don't nkow
[12:52] <dystopianray> listeper: I think it's more to do with writing faster to video memory
[12:52] <listeper> dystopianray: Cool, all i wanted to know :)
[12:52] <tmbg_> it's a yahoo chat & abuse client.
[12:53] <listeper> dystopianray: That was my guess as well. Howcome you know all this if you dont even have a nvidia yourself?
[12:53] <dystopianray> listeper: I do have nvidia, I've just not ever used it on dapper
[12:54] <AbortD> i hate kopete  :|
[12:54] <AbortD> its better than gaim in  way i cant leave it
[12:54] <listeper> dystopianray: Okay! Thanks. You dont know if there is some way to maybe boost my networking card in the same way?
[12:55] <raffytaffy> i i use gaim beta6
[12:55] <dystopianray> listeper: on your lan? probably not
[12:55] <raffytaffy> i cant wait for rc
[12:55] <dystopianray> listeper: what specific network operations do you want sped up?
[12:55] <martalli> What is the proper way to install the nvidia graphics driver in kubuntu beta?  apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[12:56] <listeper> dystopianray: Internet. It strikes me as a little to slow. But maybe its just me being silly in this whole new world.
[12:56] <raffytaffy> i think u need nvidia-kernel-source
[12:56] <dystopianray> martalli: doing that worked for me in edgy, then I just changed "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf
[12:56] <dystopianray> listeper: there isn't anything you can do about the internet, other than buy a faster connection you are probably just imagining things
[12:56] <raffytaffy> but im not sure...i use the SH installers from nvidia website
[12:56] <AbortD> can i nullify u raffytaffy?
[12:56] <raffytaffy> as long as it dont hurt
[12:56] <raffytaffy> lol
[12:57] <AbortD> it would be me chopping your cock and balls off
[12:57] <raffytaffy> why u wanna do that
[12:57] <Flosoft> any idea why WEP, WPA and WPA2 fail=
[12:57] <martalli> dystopianray:  Thanks
[12:57] <listeper> dystopianray: Yea, i guess you are right. Thats what you get from many years of MS and IE just throwing you anything and then render it..
[12:57] <AbortD> it would be fun
[12:57] <raffytaffy> o.0
[12:57] <AbortD> it shouldnt hurt u cut off circulation first
[12:57] <crackhead_25__> what's the command to port an x session over ssh once an ssh login is established?
[12:57] <dystopianray> Flosoft: not really, WPA and WPA2-EAP work fine on my ipw2200 system with feisty and edgy
[12:58] <dystopianray> Flosoft: I suspect you simply have the wrong connection settings
[12:58] <Flosoft> where are the connection profiles stored?
[12:58] <crackhead_25__> i.e. i've logged in from a remote computer to my home/ssh server computer. now i want to see the x/kde session instead of just a commandline.. how do i do that??
[12:58] <raffytaffy> start x
[12:58] <Flosoft> or knetworkmanager settings?
[12:58] <dystopianray> Flosoft: ~/.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc or something similar
[12:58] <crackhead_25__> (raffytaffy: what do you mean "start x"? what's the command? will that automatically show up through ssh?)
[12:59] <raffytaffy>  /etc/init.d/gdm or kdm start
[12:59] <dystopianray> Flosoft: are you using kwallet for your passwords?
[12:59] <Flosoft> yes
[12:59] <listeper> Oh btw another question. How do i choose for Opera to my standard browser? I'v got it installed and everything.
[12:59] <crackhead_25__> raffytaffy: are you talking to me?
[12:59] <raffytaffy> yes
[12:59] <dystopianray> listeper: 'system settings -> default applications'
[12:59] <raffytaffy> since this is kubuntu room imma assume u have kdm
[01:00] <raffytaffy> so /etc/init.d/kdm start
[01:00] <patrik> Hallo
[01:01] <patrik> Any swedish here?
[01:01] <crackhead_25__> oh you mean that's only what one does if logging in from another kubuntu machine? im logging in from a totally unrelated computer, probably a win machine, into my kubuntu.. and i wanted to show the X windows instead of seeing just a commandline..
[01:01] <listeper> dystopianray: Thanks :)
[01:01] <raffytaffy> ahh i c
[01:01] <raffytaffy> i dunno about win remote admin
[01:02] <patrik> I need help to play .avi movies in kubuntu dapper
[01:02] <raffytaffy> !.avi
[01:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:02] <raffytaffy> !apt-get moo
[01:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-get moo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:02] <raffytaffy> blahh
[01:03] <yaccin> when i want to install LinuxMCE can i do this by adding a repo and install it with apt?
[01:08] <raffytaffy> anyone wanna help me write this auto-kernel installer
[01:09] <JohnFlux_> raffytaffy: that does what?
[01:09] <raffytaffy> i want it to automatically connect to kernel.org d/l the source / unpack it
[01:09] <raffytaffy> xconfig into it
[01:09] <raffytaffy> let the user config it
[01:10] <raffytaffy> and then ill make a deb and update the initrd and such
[01:10] <raffytaffy> we can incorporate the program ketchup into it
[01:10] <raffytaffy> for auto patching
[01:10] <JohnFlux_> sounds useful
[01:11] <raffytaffy> yes i think so
[01:11] <raffytaffy> i dunno which to use...xconfig or menuconfig
[01:11] <raffytaffy> or perhaps a choice?
[01:11] <raffytaffy> also perhaps include pre-made config files for dif types hmm
[01:15] <stamen> hi
[01:16] <stamen> does valknut support TTH
[01:16] <crackhead_25__> what's the key to press to move the selection cursor to a toolbar, i.e. alt and then f for the file dropdown in some programs in windows..? i keep trying alt and then f, but it just types f.. doesnt move to the toolbar... ?
[01:22] <yaccin> when i want to install LinuxMCE can i do this by adding a repo and install it with apt?
[01:22] <dystopianray> yaccin: sure
[01:22] <yaccin> dystopianray: so whats the repo and what package(s) do i have to install? ^^
[01:22] <dystopianray> yaccin: no idea, you'll have to find a repo first
[01:23] <AbortD> omg i need help
[01:23] <dystopianray> AbortD: what with?
[01:23] <AbortD> raffytaffy: can i make each desktop have its own buttons
[01:23] <AbortD> u know
[01:23] <AbortD> the desktop buttons
[01:23] <AbortD> where it hides windows
[01:24] <AbortD> i want it too had the bar items
[01:24] <AbortD> so i can run a app without seeing the clutter
[01:24] <AbortD> like a bot
[01:24] <raffytaffy> i use one desktop. i have no idea
[01:25] <eduard> hello all
[01:25] <AbortD> dystopianray:
[01:25] <dystopianray> .. I don't know what you're saying
[01:25] <dystopianray> what buttons?
[01:25] <eduard> question please, which was probably saked not a ones
[01:25] <dystopianray> what is a 'bar item' ?
[01:26] <eduard> wireless card - how can switch it on?
[01:26] <AbortD> taskbar man
[01:26] <AbortD> x bar
[01:26] <AbortD> whatever its called
[01:27] <eduard> i use laptop HP Pavilion zd 8000 , and Kubuntu on it
[01:27] <dystopianray> eduard: your laptop has a software switch?
[01:27] <dystopianray> eduard: if you run iwconfig, what does it say the txpower is for the interface?
[01:27] <eduard> dystopianray - i see card , but anable to get it on
[01:27] <eduard> one sec
[01:27] <dystopianray> eduard: what card is it?
[01:28] <eduard> eduard@kubuntu:~$ iwconfig
[01:28] <eduard> lo        no wireless extensions.
[01:28] <eduard> eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:""  Nickname:"Broadcom 4306"
[01:28] <eduard>           Mode:Managed  Access Point: Invalid
[01:28] <eduard>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[01:28] <eduard>           Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
[01:28] <eduard>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[01:28] <eduard>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[01:28] <eduard> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[01:28] <eduard> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[01:28] <eduard> dystopianray - hope it helps
[01:28] <nalioth> !paste | eduard
[01:28] <ubotu> eduard: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:28] <dystopianray> hrrm why did it now show the txpower
[01:29] <eduard> ups, sorry
[01:29] <dystopianray> eduard: what card is it?
[01:29] <dystopianray> eduard: are you using networkmanager?
[01:29] <eduard> dystopianray - Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[01:30] <dystopianray> you are using the bcm43xx driver?
[01:30] <eduard> have no idea, sorry, how can i cheack it, please?
[01:30] <eduard> i install Knetwork manager
[01:31] <AbortD> uh
[01:31] <eduard> undo?
[01:31] <eduard> is it possible to see all wireless networks available in range?
[01:32] <eduard> i hope so, but first how to switch this card ON? please
[01:32] <dystopianray> eduard: $ iwlist eth1 scan
[01:33] <eduard> no scan result
[01:33] <eduard> dystopianray - eth1  No scan result
[01:33] <dystopianray> eduard: did you use fwcutter to get a firmware for your card?
[01:34] <dystopianray> eduard: personally, I would recommend using ndiswrapper, the open source broadcom driver is pretty crap
[01:34] <martalli> woot - nvidia working
[01:34] <eduard> dystopianray - will it get my card ON?
[01:35] <dystopianray> eduard: what is telling you that it is currently 'off' ?
[01:36] <dystopianray> eduard: either follow this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1071920&mode=linear or considering using ndiswrapper
[01:36] <LeeJunFan> dystopianray: just got here, so excuse me if this has been brought up already. But is this a laptop with integrated wireless nic? if so is there a keystroke like on mine Fn-F11 to enable or disable wireless?
[01:36] <dystopianray> LeeJunFan: ask eduard, it's his laptop
[01:37] <LeeJunFan> dystopianray: hehe, sry - you can tell I just got up :)
[01:37] <eduard> dystopianray - when i am trying to get in On - one second ON, then Off again
[01:37] <AbortD> mhy kehyboard is dead whhy :(
[01:38] <eduard> dystopianray - ok, thanks for help, i will dig in the article first
[01:38] <AbortD> makes making me gtthype dual legtgters!
[01:38] <dystopianray> eduard: how do you know when it's off or on?
[01:38] <ecp> irc.freenode.net#quagga
[01:38] <AbortD> is gthere like a kehyboard for hyour mouse?
[01:39] <eduard> i see my card in Network Configuration panel
[01:39] <AbortD> kde wallegt wongt gtake mhy passwords...
[01:40] <eduard> dont know how it in english -  i use russian version of KDE
[01:40] <dystopianray> eduard: it's probably just the crappy broadcrom driver, probably best to use ndiswrapper
[01:40] <LeeJunFan> eduard: what does iwconfig say next to Tx-Power: ?
[01:41] <eduard> dystopianray - Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0, (you mean this?)
[01:42] <LeeJunFan> eduard: me, :) I mean - This line : Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:17 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
[01:43] <eduard> dystopianray - have a look at the result of iwconfig here - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11839/
[01:44] <dystopianray> i already saw it before, it showed nothing interesting
[01:44] <eduard> LeeJunFan - sorry, wrong nick
[01:44] <dystopianray> i suspect it shows nothing becuase it's lacking firmware
[01:44] <AbortD> ubungtu messed up mhy kehyboard :(
[01:45] <LeeJunFan> eduard, dystopianray: yeah, crap drivers.  eduard, what if you try sudo iwconfig eth1 txpower 10      ?
[01:46] <dystopianray> LeeJunFan: I don't think he has firmware for his card yet
[01:46] <dystopianray> LeeJunFan: he is using that bcm43xx driver
[01:46] <AbortD> hhy is mhy kehyboard doing gthis?!
[01:47] <Lynoure> AbortD: doing what?
[01:47] <LeeJunFan> I hate broadcom equipment, I swore that brand off years ago when I worked at a dial-up ISP and everyone (Dell/Gateway) started using their v.90 modems and 90% of our tech calls were because of those modems.
[01:47] <Lynoure> AbortD: keys in the wrong place?
[01:47] <eduard> LeeJunFan - Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
[01:48] <eduard> LeeJunFan - SET failed on device eth1 ; No such device.
[01:48] <sasq> What can be wrong if "knetworkmanager" directly quits with no errormessage?
[01:48] <sasq> on fresh install
[01:48] <eduard> LeeJunFan - any ideas, please?
[01:48] <raffytaffy> i are windows 3.0 the guru, i d/l tehh internets please
[01:48] <raffytaffy> :))
[01:49] <LeeJunFan> eduard: I'd have to agree with dystopianray  - try ndiswrapper
[01:49] <eduard> sasq - use this , it helped me, but please restart PC - sudo aptitude reinstall knetworkmanager wpasupplicant network-manager
[01:49] <AniHatzis> Does anyone of you here know what this strace kwalletmanager output http://rafb.net/p/C6iLDj77.html does mean? I need to find the reason why kwalletmanager, konqueror, kmail and some other KDE apps and utils doesn't start-up any more with their windows (but i can see their processes running). Kubuntu 6.10 / KDE 3.5.5. Is this a KDE problem or Kubuntu-specific issue?
[01:50] <sasq> eduard: does that mean reinstall those 3 packages?
[01:51] <AbortD> hyou gtell me lhynoure
[01:51] <eduard> sasq - as far as i know - reinstall and cofigure all of them
[01:51] <AbortD> i hve no number kehy
[01:51] <AbortD> i gtlk like  regtrd
[01:51] <sasq> eduard: and reboot after
[01:51] <eduard> yessasq
[01:51] <eduard> sasq - yes
[01:51] <listeper> Any reason, why i cant start my Katapult?
[01:52] <AbortD> help me :(
[01:52] <AbortD> pl
[01:52] <sasq> ok, trying. now lets hope it sees my wlan adapter
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> AniHatzis: did you start that with strace kwalletmanager --nofork?
[01:52] <AbortD> pleee
[01:52] <AbortD> lynoire
[01:52] <AbortD> lynoure
[01:53] <AniHatzis> no, just strace kwalletmanager. the output is really all I got (it seems that it got hang somewhere)
[01:53] <eduard> sasq - well, actually i have problem with wireless as well , that is why i am here - i cant get wireless ON
[01:54] <AbortD> help me :(
[01:54] <sasq> eduard: what model?
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> AniHatzis: without the --fork you're probably missing the part that is the problem.
[01:54] <AbortD> u
[01:54] <AbortD> lynoure
[01:54] <eduard>    sasq    how can i know it?
[01:54] <sasq> i mean what pc
[01:54] <AbortD> help me :(
[01:54] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: thanks. I repeated with --nofork which brought lot more output. I will paste again.
[01:55] <sasq> eduard: reinstall didnt help, knetworkmanager still wont start
[01:55] <Lynoure> AbortD: I asked you if the keys, or rather letters are in wrong places. Yes or no?
[01:56] <Lynoure> AbortD: you can try to explain if you wish, but starting with a simple 2 to 3 letter answer might be easiest.
[01:56] <AbortD> y
[01:56] <AbortD> ys
[01:57] <Lynoure> AbortD: What is your middle row now?
[01:57] <AbortD> gdfhdfhdfklsjd;lkds
[01:57] <AbortD> sdfghjkl;'
[01:57] <AbortD> zxcvbnm,./
[01:57] <AbortD> sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[01:58] <eduard> sasq - sorry, dont know more info - i found this link for reinstall and this helped me, ow can i get card model?
[01:58] <AbortD> is gthere like a kehyboard for hyour mouse?
[01:59] <Lynoure> AbortD: You could start with checking System Settings -> Regional -> keyboard layout
[01:59] <sasq> eduard: oh I see the problem now
[01:59] <sasq> eduard: its that im an idiot :) didnt realize knetman is an icon in the taskbar
[02:00] <AbortD> n     c
[02:00] <eduard> sasq model of my wireless card, how can i get info about it from konsole?
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> AbortD: I don't see one (yet) for kde, but...
[02:00] <AbortD> no c
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> !info gtkeyboard | AbortD
[02:00] <ubotu> abortd: gtkeyboard: A highly-configurable on-screen keyboard for mouse-typing. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.7-4 (edgy), package size 344 kB, installed size 1080 kB
[02:00] <Romexios> can someone please help me? i downloaded irssi and installed it.. it doesnt show on the "internet" sextion + when i do run "irssi" and press enter, nothing happends.. any idea?
[02:00] <eduard> sasq - sorry forgot to tell you thet - it it is indeed there i=and will not start from Kmenu
[02:01] <mshade> romex
[02:01] <mshade> it's a terminal app, you run it from a command line
[02:01] <AbortD> hondfdfdf
[02:02] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: Does strace kwalletmanager --no-fork somewhow effect the program execution itself? kwalletmanager's systray icon now really appeared which it didn't for two days.
[02:02] <Lynoure> AbortD: the names are something like that. First start with kmenu then take the one with Regional in the name
[02:02] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: The process is still running from console, so Konsole can't save the history
[02:02] <LeeJunFan> AniHatzis: yes and no. I sure wouldn't have expected that.
[02:02] <Lynoure> AbortD: I'm on feisty, so the exact location might vary but it was somewhere there even on dapper
[02:03] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: You bet, I didn't expect many weird things happening here since yesterday.
[02:03] <sasq> eduard: it worked perfectly from the start. yumm, i think im in love with my thinkpad
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> AniHatzis: nofork just tells it not to detach itself as a new process, which means strace can actually see kwalletmanager running, not just the first part which starts it. It shouldn't really make the program run though. hrm.
[02:04] <Lynoure> AbortD: if this gets too tiresome, boot with livecd, and then come back an explain :)
[02:04] <eduard> sasq - :)) nice
[02:06] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: I will let it running and shutdown the session. I'm curious if it will again appear after I logged again + KDE startup.
[02:06] <sasq> whats the difference between aptitude and apt-get ?
[02:06] <apokryphos> !aptitude
[02:06] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[02:07] <luckyone> does anyone know how to get KAudioCreator to use the Speex plugin? I have some audio books I would like to add to my library, but don't need the full ogg quality.
[02:09] <Wutyman> Im lost... What is actual Linux's version ?
[02:13] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: Here I am again. kwalletmanager didn't start-up at all. I now tried this: strace kwalletmanager --no-fork
[02:18] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: responses in console now was: http://rafb.net/p/pYisHw18.html
[02:19] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: Did I enter wrong option? - However, now I even can't open or store files via the open or save dialogs of Konsole or Kate.
[02:19] <soulrider> Wutyman: the actual linux version is the kernel version
[02:19] <soulrider> Wutyman: to see it you can type "uname -a" and it will appear there, it will be somehting like 2.6.....
[02:20] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: The open or save dialogs appear, but not loading current directory content. There is just a progress bar instead staying at 0%. Saving or opening by just typing the file name and clicking OK doesn't work.
[02:24] <_michael> Hi I'm having a problem with my audio in my USB Headset. It doesn't show the output channel and I can't get any playback. Please Help
[02:29] <_michael> The device is shown in /proc/asound/cards, but even in alsamixer, I can't access the output channel though. Any suggestions?
[02:31] <busfahrer> Hi. I have installed Kubuntu 6.10/i386. Whenever sound is played back, I get these distortions in the sound, the funny thing is they are dependent on, I think, CPU load. For example, I can 'create' the distortions by opening Firefox and grabbing the scrollbar and scrolling around. Any idea regarding this?
[02:38] <kasper> How can i get MP3 support for amarok? I read this, http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Packaging_Amarok#MP3_Support, but i dont get it?
[02:39] <raffytaffy> ok i look
[02:39] <raffytaffy> one sec
[02:39] <kasper> Thank you raffytaffy.
[02:40] <weilbach> hi
[02:40] <kasper> Do you use another player?
[02:40] <weilbach> what's the difference between the new feisty beta dvd and the cd?
[02:40] <weilbach> what features are missing in the cd?
[02:40] <raffytaffy> u have edgy?
[02:40] <kasper> Or one you would like to recomend raffytaffy?
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> weilbach: the DVD has more optional software.
[02:40] <weilbach> e.g.?
[02:40] <kasper> dapper drake raffytaffy
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> weilbach: that's what you'd want to use to install someone who doesn't have a very fast internet connection.
[02:40] <raffytaffy> ok give me 1 min
[02:41] <weilbach> ah o.k. thx
[02:41] <Jucato> kasper: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[02:43] <kasper> Jucato: Thanks, i'll try that, one minute.
[02:43] <raffytaffy> yeah what he said^
[02:44] <kasper> Thanks raffytaffy :)
[02:44] <weilbach> how well is your 64 bit support?
[02:44] <weilbach> flash working?
[02:44] <Jucato> !flash64
[02:44] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[02:45] <weilbach> o.k. i prefer konqui
[02:45] <weilbach> i had a lot of trouble with that on sabayon lately
[02:45] <Jucato> unfortunately, Konq + Flash 64 doesn't work (I think)
[02:45] <Jucato> !64bit
[02:45] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[02:47] <weilbach> yes they are with most distributions and they work quite well
[02:48] <weilbach> but i've always had some problems with stupid binary files like java and flash
[02:48] <amrush> hey .. I've been trying to set up ubuntu on my roomy's from a kubuntu 6.06 cd ... the system ran well until i tried to upgrade it to edgy after i upgraded it failed to boot neither ubuntu nor windows ... can anyone help ?
[02:48] <weilbach> buth thx anyway
[02:49] <harol> my APT has failed to release its lock file, how do i release it manually?
[02:51] <tmbg_> find the lock file and delete it.
[02:52] <LeeJunFan> !aptfix | harol
[02:52] <ubotu> harol: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:52] <tmbg_> yeah that's a better idea.
[02:54] <raffytaffy> hey what u think of this output for hdparm -Tt
[02:54] <raffytaffy>  Timing cached reads:   2988 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1493.89 MB/sec
[02:54] <raffytaffy>  Timing buffered disk reads:   94 MB in  3.03 seconds =  30.99 MB/s
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: that's pretty decent.
[02:55] <raffytaffy> yes i thought so..this is (E)ide laptop hd
[02:55] <raffytaffy> im thinking of tinkering with hdparm
[02:56] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: I get about 36MB/s on my laptop, I've got a 7200RPM drive in mine.
[02:56] <raffytaffy> did u use hdparm in anyway?
[02:57] <chijin> how do you test?
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: no, I've done it all in the past and there really wasn't anything to gain. Currently I haven't messed with mine.
[02:57] <raffytaffy> ic
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> on my scsi server I get 50MB/s :)
[02:58] <LeeJunFan> wish my laptop could do that.
[02:59] <arman> hii can anyone help me on playing mp3s on kubuntu?
[02:59] <harol> does adept leave logs anywhere?
[02:59] <kasper> Thanks Jucato and raffytaffy :) Now any of you guys that have a clue about this: In front of my computer I have a line-out, that ain't working but the one in the back is. And yes im sure it is connected inside ;)
[03:00] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: something that might help speed things up for you is prelinking.
[03:00] <LeeJunFan> !prelink
[03:00] <ubotu> prelink: ELF prelinking utility to speed up dynamic linking. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.20060522-1 (edgy), package size 659 kB, installed size 1012 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 i386 powerpc ppc64)
[03:00] <kasper> arman: edgy?
[03:00] <arman> im kindda new at kubuntu
[03:00] <arman> i just installed it yestrday
[03:00] <arman> and mp3 files from my mp4 player isnt playing
[03:00] <raffytaffy> im gonna try hdparm -c3 -m16 /dev/hda
[03:00] <Jucato> arman: which version of Kubuntu did you install?
[03:00] <raffytaffy> what u think LeeJunFan
[03:00] <kasper> arman: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[03:01] <arman> kubuntu 6.06
[03:01] <arman> i tried that website
[03:01] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: that should be safe enough, the -m16 isn't already set?
[03:01] <Jucato> aah. then use that link above
[03:01] <raffytaffy>  multcount    =  0 (off)
[03:01] <raffytaffy>  IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[03:01] <kasper> arman: install libxine-extracodecs
[03:01] <arman> i installed that too
[03:01] <kasper> arman: Which player are you using?
[03:01] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: oh, yeah, you'll be better off with that if your drive supports it. what about DMA? is that on?
[03:02] <arman> i hav amarok
[03:02] <arman> it doesnt work
[03:02] <arman> so i installed JUK
[03:02] <arman> it still doesnt work
[03:02] <kasper> arman: Then that guide should do it ;)
[03:02] <Iwonder|too> arman what type of player?
[03:02] <raffytaffy>  unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
[03:02] <raffytaffy>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[03:02] <raffytaffy>  keepsettings =  0 (off)
[03:02] <raffytaffy>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[03:02] <raffytaffy>  readahead    = 256 (on)
[03:02] <raffytaffy>  geometry     = 16383/255/63, sectors = 156301488, start = 0
[03:02] <arman> i hav amarok it plays and after 1 second it says playlist finished
[03:02] <kasper> arman: Du you have gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly installed?
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: watch the pastes, better to use pastebin
[03:03] <arman> idont think so
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> !pastebin
[03:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:03] <arman> how should i install that?
[03:03] <raffytaffy> pastebin?
[03:03] <raffytaffy> nvm
[03:03] <kasper> arman: You dont want that. You install using your adept?
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> arman: have you installed the restricted formats mp3 playing stuff?
[03:03] <arman> yes i hav
[03:04] <Schatzy> hi
[03:04] <arman> it alays says no install candidates or something
[03:04] <LeeJunFan> arman: the libxine-extracodecs?
[03:04] <Schatzy> hi
[03:04] <AniHatzis> Maybe I'm getting closer. On Kubuntu 6.10, I get this for strace konqueror somehwere in the end: read(10, 0x80cb8c0, 8)        = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted)--- SIGWINCH (Window changed) @ 0 (0) ---
[03:04] <Schatzy> alo
[03:04] <arman> i tried that too
[03:04] <Schatzy> hola
[03:04] <Schatzy> alguien habla espa;ol
[03:04] <arman> do you think there some problem wit the installation?
[03:04] <Schatzy> yes
[03:04] <Iwonder|too> my portable mp3 player doesn't play either,its not support as it actually doesn't have mp3 on it
[03:05] <arman> my mp4 supprts it comes on the desktop
[03:05] <arman> but it doesnt play in the player
[03:05] <AniHatzis> Any idea if this tells me the reason why kmail, konqueror, and some other KDE apps do not show windows anymore (just process is running if started)
[03:05] <LeeJunFan> arman: are they mp3's your trying to play? or wma?
[03:05] <raffytaffy> pastebin gives me error
[03:05] <Iwonder|too> mine shows up on desktop as a usb storage media
[03:05] <raffytaffy> this blows
[03:05] <arman> they are mp3
[03:06] <Iwonder|too> what type is yours?
[03:06] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: well if you do the hdparm -c3 or -c1 with -m16 I think it'll help you out.
[03:06] <arman> its a mp4 i bought from ebay
[03:06] <arman> the ones wher u can watch videos
[03:06] <arman> looks like an ipod nano
[03:06] <raffytaffy> http://pastebin.ca/407974
[03:06] <Iwonder|too> can you play a mp3 from the internet/downloaded
[03:06] <raffytaffy> thats my result
[03:06] <arman> i didnt try that
[03:06] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: you can also edit /etc/hdparm.conf then run /etc/init.d/hdparm start
[03:06] <arman> nice idea let me try it :)
[03:07] <FragUPlenty> How come reolutions dont stretch to fit the screen any more
[03:07] <Iwonder|too> looks like?not a sony?
[03:07] <raffytaffy> yes its a sony
[03:07] <Iwonder|too> yours screwwed
[03:07] <chijin> my desktop's buffered read is 64MB/sec
[03:07] <Iwonder|too> its a .oma
[03:07] <raffytaffy> why
[03:07] <arman> nope not a sony
[03:07] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: might try unmaskirq too.
[03:07] <amrush> can anyone help me with my problem ?
[03:07] <raffytaffy> Iwonder are you talking to me??
[03:08] <FragUPlenty> when I play ioquake3
[03:08] <Iwonder|too> k arman
[03:08] <FragUPlenty> there is only a little window
[03:08] <arman> oh sorry i thought u wer talking to me :)
[03:08] <Iwonder|too> i was
[03:08] <FragUPlenty> and since it wont run smooth at anything above 640x480 I want it to stretch to fit the screen
[03:08] <raffytaffy> Iwonder | too : how am i screwed and why
[03:08] <arman> oh ok
[03:09] <Iwonder|too> not you raffytaffy,was talking to arman,my bad shoulf have prefixxed my question with a nick
[03:09] <raffytaffy> ahh u had me worried there mate lol
[03:09] <raffytaffy> bcse im using a sony too
[03:09] <arman> lol
[03:09] <Iwonder|too> raffytaffy: elaborate on won't stretch
[03:09] <LeeJunFan> then yer both sc!#@ed :)
[03:10] <raffytaffy> wont stretch?? i did not say that
[03:10] <Iwonder|too> oh my bad
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> That reminds me, I have to solder the ram sockets on my kids sony GRX again :(
[03:10] <raffytaffy> lol!
[03:10] <FragUPlenty> lol
[03:10] <Iwonder|too> i scrolled back,read to quick
[03:11] <FragUPlenty> so anyone know how I get ioquake3 to stretch to fit the screen
[03:11] <arman> lwonderjtoo> i tried downloading from the internet it stil doesnt work...
[03:11] <[pyro] > hey guys :)
[03:11] <arman> will i find the required components on adept?
[03:11] <arman> or is there a seperate softwrae i may be able to download from online so it can play .. mp3s
[03:11] <arman> isnt there realplayer for linux? mayeb that will work?
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> arman: doesn't make sense, in order to get amarok to play mp3's, or kaffeine for that matter all you should need is the libxine-extracodecs
[03:12] <Iwonder|too> arman,on my default install,in amarok,it gave me a error(i supose xine engine related) with a fix when i tried to play mp3
[03:12] <LeeJunFan> then quit amarok and restart it so it loads the libraries.
[03:12] <arman> i know but it says: Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:12] <LeeJunFan> arman: have you enabled universe repositories?
[03:13] <arman> i just installed kubuntu yestrday so im not sure about it :)
[03:13] <arman> lol
[03:13] <arman> im a first time user :(
[03:13] <tmbg_> arman, I just went through this and foun da pretty easy way to get it to work.
[03:13] <LeeJunFan> !repos
[03:13] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:13] <arman> tmbg> thank u :)
[03:13] <tmbg_> save an mp3 file from somewhere and try to play it with amarok. it will tell you it is not supported an ask if you want to install a proprietary plugin. say yes.
[03:13] <kasper> I'v installed yesterday as well, and i'v just made my MP#s work just fine :()
[03:13] <arman> ok hold on
[03:13] <tmbg_> then just follow all of the prompts and restart amarok
[03:14] <kasper> tmbg_: He is using dapper, not edgy.
[03:14] <LeeJunFan> arman: you need to open adept, go to manage repositories and enable the universe ones, then update your sources, and then try to install libxine-extracodecs
[03:14] <weilbach> by the way, how is the beryl integration in kubuntu? and does it work with the new icon "zoom" effect?
[03:14] <tmbg_> I installed today, and already have working mp3s. ;)
[03:14] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: the multiverse ones
[03:15] <arman> ok thank u guys :) let me try
[03:15] <tmbg_> ah.
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: it's in multiverse? hrm.
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> !info libxine-extracodecs
[03:15] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> arman: Jucato is right, xine codecs are in multiverse, not universe, sorry.
[03:16] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: don't worry, starting feisty: 1) multiverse and universe will be enabled by default; 2) the *real* package that will let you play mp3's will be in main
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> arman: but you'll want to enable both universe and multiverse.
[03:16] <arman> ok wher do i find it in adept?
[03:16] <arman> i dont see it anywhere...
[03:16] <[pyro] > isnt there a new software package to manage installation of things like beryl / codecs etc that will be default with feisty?
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: I'm running feisty, I've still got libxine.
[03:16] <Jucato> [pyro] : codecs yes. beryl no.
[03:16] <raffytaffy> i have edgy and feisty installed
[03:16] <ForgeAus> beryl has its own repository for edgy
[03:17] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: notice I said *real*. look at what libxine-extracodecs really is
[03:17] <[pyro] > Jucato: oh right, whats it called again?
[03:17] <Jucato> ForgeAus: but still not *in* the ubuntu repos (license issue)
[03:17] <Jucato> [pyro] : what's what called?
[03:17] <paco> hi there, I am used to using the font 'fixed-misc' with konsole (small font), but now that I switched to kubuntu I can't find it, any idea ?
[03:17] <ForgeAus> Jucato agreed (I never suggested it was)
[03:17] <weilbach> license issues with beryl?
[03:17] <[pyro] > Jucato: the new package thats going to make installation of these things easier?
[03:17] <ForgeAus> Compiz may be
[03:17] <ForgeAus> no...
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: yep, transitional. cool. So what really plays mp3's now?
[03:18] <ForgeAus> more like beryl is still in development
[03:18] <Jucato> !info libxine1-ffmpeg feisty | LeeJunFan
[03:18] <ubotu> leejunfan: libxine1-ffmpeg: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 1534 kB, installed size 3692 kB
[03:18] <ForgeAus> there is also an uberyl project!
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: ah right. cool.
[03:18] <ForgeAus> (ubuntu-beryl, although I think it might be more a kubuntu-beryl than gnome-based... but I could be wrong about that)
[03:18] <Jucato> ForgeAus, weilbach: beryl (currently) ships with a component that they release only as binary (closed source)
[03:18] <Jucato> I'm not really familiar with the specifics
[03:19] <sasq> How do you config what happens when you close a notebook lid?
[03:19] <ForgeAus> ahh really? id din't know it had closed-source bits
[03:19] <weilbach> Jucato: oh didn't know that
[03:19] <Jucato> [pyro] : on Kubuntu? no specific single app. just scripts that will run adept_batch to install from the repos
[03:19] <Jucato> weilbach: neither did I, until a few weeks ago
[03:19] <[pyro] > Jucato: ah right sounds good
[03:19] <Jucato> compiz, on the other hand, is in the repos
[03:20] <weilbach> Jucato: that's really bad
[03:20] <arvid> Why doesn't CTRL+ALT+F# work in kubuntu? is there a way to "fix" it?
[03:20] <weilbach> i like beryl a lot
[03:20] <weilbach> although i hate the black window problme
[03:20] <[pyro] > Jucato: i thought i had read somewhere that there will be a new program. Maybe give you a list of things you can install.
[03:20] <Jucato> weilbach: I believe they're working on it already. so just have to wait a bit longer
[03:20] <[pyro] > has anyone been watching wine-doors ?
[03:20] <Jucato> in the meantime, I heard compiz is really catching up...
[03:20] <[pyro] > looking forward to winedoors coming out
[03:20] <Iwonder|too> sasq:  do you have a battery icon near the clock in taskbar?
[03:20] <weilbach> Jucato: and then it will move into the repos?
[03:20] <yaccin> beryl and compiz are merging back
[03:20] <LeeJunFan> read on digg yesterday that compiz and beryl may merge back together.
[03:20] <oem> does an german kubuntu channel exist ?
[03:20] <weilbach> mergin back?
[03:21] <ForgeAus> arvid maybe your kubuntu is damaged
[03:21] <ForgeAus> it SHOULD work
[03:21] <LeeJunFan> !de | oem
[03:21] <ubotu> oem: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:21] <Jucato> yaccin: I heard that too
[03:21] <yaccin> weilbach: yes
[03:21] <yaccin> its called coral then
[03:21] <oem> danke
[03:21] <yaccin> oem: << german too :D
[03:21] <ForgeAus> whats winedoors?
[03:21] <arvid> ForgeAus: aha - that's also good to know :)
[03:21] <sasq> Iwonder|too: ah - yeah, I only tried right-clicking it... :)
[03:22] <[pyro] > ForgeAus: www.wine-doors.org i think
[03:22] <arvid> ForgeAus: or - it actually works outside kde, so I guess it's a kde-problem
[03:22] <weilbach> o.k. thx ciao
[03:22] <[pyro] > http://www.wine-doors.org/trac
[03:23] <ForgeAus> arvid I think you have it slightly backwards...
[03:23] <[pyro] > going to make setting up wine with correct dlls etc much better
[03:23] <arvid> ForgeAus: ?
[03:23] <ForgeAus> either something else is setting a key combo to ctrl-alt-F#
[03:23] <ForgeAus> or something else at a base-level is wrong
[03:23] <[pyro] > they're going to use a similar system to ubuntu with repos
[03:23] <ForgeAus> KDE itself is NOT the problem
[03:23] <ForgeAus> its not KDE where ctrl-Alt-F# comes from
[03:24] <ForgeAus> even in tty/X windows (no KDE/or other WM) Ctrl-Alt-F# should work
[03:24] <arvid> ForgeAus: aha. but it works in my other WM's.
[03:25] <ForgeAus> then maybe some initializiation script for your kde is getting in the way somewhere?
[03:25] <arvid> ForgeAus: sounds possible
[03:25] <ForgeAus> apt/yum for wine? .. that sounds strange
[03:27] <ForgeAus> hmm winedoors doesn't take cxoffice into account :( oh well
[03:28] <[pyro] > it still looks good.
[03:28] <[pyro] > will make the migration for windoze users over to linux easier
[03:28] <ForgeAus> yeah
[03:28] <ForgeAus> cedega is supported at least
[03:28] <[pyro] > and anything that does that is a good thing :)
[03:28] <[pyro] > yeah
[03:28] <arvid> ForgeAus: yes - I'm overriding my F-keys in my xmodmap-file
[03:28] <[pyro] > its been under dev for a few months now, just looking forward to getting a useable program :)
[03:29] <ForgeAus> arvid :) sounds like you tracked down the problem :)
[03:29] <ForgeAus> I agree that it looks good :)... at least
[03:29] <ForgeAus> I like what the preview shows of the apps list too
[03:30] <BluesKaj> yeah, i have almost figured out how to do most of the things on Kubuntu , that I could do on windows ...so I'm almost ready to take the plunge .
[03:30] <ForgeAus> only one thing I'd rather....
[03:30] <ForgeAus> that it was just ie6 rather than specifically Internet Explorer 6 via IEs4Linux
[03:31] <ForgeAus> but still thats only a minor issue
[03:31] <ForgeAus> wow winamp via wine, I never thought of trying that!
[03:32] <yaccin> why winamp?
[03:32] <yaccin> o.O
[03:32] <yaccin> winamp sucks :D
[03:32] <yaccin> amarok ftw
[03:32] <ForgeAus> hehe I like it
[03:32] <chijin> amarok <3
[03:32] <ForgeAus> does Amarok do video?
[03:32] <chijin> winamp is totally annoying
[03:32] <chijin> mplayer/vlc is for video
[03:32] <ForgeAus> I use Kaffeine and/or Vlc mostly
[03:32] <[pyro] > vlc?
[03:32] <chijin> i use 100% mplayer
[03:32] <[pyro] > ive been using mplayer
[03:33] <yaccin> videolan.org/vlc
[03:33] <ForgeAus> videolan player
[03:33] <yaccin> i mostly use kaffeine and vlc
[03:33] <tmbg_> I love vlc
[03:33] <[pyro] > everything else flickers or has the saturation too high for some reason. Seems to be a bug with beryl :/
[03:33] <yaccin> sometimes kmplayer but very rarely
[03:33] <ForgeAus> Kaffeine didn't work so well for me at first
[03:33] <ForgeAus> but after installing VLC it plays just about anything now
[03:33] <tmbg_> it's crashing on me right now
[03:33] <yaccin> [pyro] : hmm works fine here with beryl
[03:33] <tmbg_> normally kaffeine doesn't give me so much trouble
[03:34] <[pyro] > yaccin: it may be my video card.. im running an intel on board one. - laptop
[03:34] <yaccin> ah intel
[03:34] <yaccin> i only use nvidia on my desktop and ati on the laptop ^^
[03:34] <LeeJunFan> kaffeine gave me problems with beryl when I ran Xgl, now that I'm on aiglx (same machine/gfx) it works fine.
[03:34] <[pyro] > :(
[03:34] <[pyro] > i need a better video card :(
[03:34] <ForgeAus> LeeJun thanx for that info I might let someone know
[03:34] <yaccin> aiglx is so much better then xgl
[03:35] <ForgeAus> I need a more compatible GFX card
[03:35] <yaccin> and i cant wait till xegl comes out :D
[03:35] <ForgeAus> one for BOTH XP and *nix!
[03:35] <ForgeAus> whats xegl?
[03:35] <yaccin> the next generation of hardware-.accelerated xserver
[03:35] <georgeizui> oi
[03:35] <[pyro] > c ;)
[03:35] <[pyro] > sounds good :)
[03:35] <yaccin> even faster then aiglx and with more features \o/
[03:35] <georgeizui> algum brasileiro ai para me ajudar
[03:35] <ForgeAus> I hope the ATI drivers are good for it!
[03:36] <[pyro] > yes ati drivers are teh suck
[03:36] <yaccin> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Xegl
[03:36] <yaccin> i use opengl ati drivers on the laptop
[03:36] <ForgeAus> didn't AMD aquire it? ... now that they are running the show I wonder what will happen to ATI drivers?
[03:36] <[pyro] > i installed kubuntu on a friends machine and he has an ati 9800.. couldnt get beryl running.
[03:36] <[pyro] > i ran out of time so ill fix it next time
[03:37] <paco> any idea for the 'fixed-misc' font, or any small nice (bitmap) font ?
[03:37] <yaccin> [pyro] : try the opensource drivers :D
[03:37] <[pyro] > yaccin: arent they installed by default?
[03:37] <yaccin> if he doesnt need 3d acceleration for anything else, they are great
[03:37] <yaccin> yes
[03:37] <[pyro] > hmm
[03:37] <yaccin> just change driver to "radeon" and it should work
[03:37] <yaccin> ^_^
[03:37] <[pyro] > i like "should just work" (tm)
[03:38] <[pyro] > its how everything should be :D
[03:38] <laptop> I think I need to speak with this guy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/themes/ubuntu07/images/masthead-support.jpg
[03:38] <yaccin> no
[03:38] <laptop> Does anyone know him?
[03:38] <SurfPunk> hello is it that much of a pain to get sound to work
[03:38] <BluesKaj> ForgeAus, xmms is the linux version of winamp
[03:38] <yaccin> everything should be "just works" not "should just work"
[03:38] <yaccin> :D
[03:39] <yaccin> BluesKaj: of winamp 2.x
[03:39] <yaccin> ^^
[03:39] <laptop> ONCE i remove an application, like TOTEM, should I restart my computer?
[03:39] <[pyro] > yaccin: haha yea :)
[03:39] <yaccin> i liked winamp 5.x but nothing beats amarok :D
[03:39] <yaccin> laptop: why restart?
[03:39] <yaccin> theres no need to :D
[03:39] <yaccin> never
[03:39] <yaccin> except for a kernel update
[03:39] <yaccin> :D
[03:39] <BluesKaj> amarok is great
[03:39] <[pyro] > \o/
[03:40] <laptop> yaccin:  good question, I am asking the same thing
[03:40] <laptop> My FIREFOX still thinks Totem exists and tries to load it to launch Realplayer files.
[03:40] <XenThraL> amarok > winamp, konversation > mIRC/x-chat. kopete > trillian/miranda, IMHO
[03:40] <laptop> I went into preferences in firefox and the realplayer file isnt even there for me to edit
[03:40] <SilentM> I kind of like the "modern" skins for winamp.
[03:41] <SilentM> But Amarok has so many kickass features.
[03:41] <XenThraL> seems every KDE app I try, it works/feels better then any other
[03:41] <[pyro] > my friend loves iTunes (god knows why) and i showed him amarok and he said "ew, its ugly.. although nothing can come close to iTunes" and i said "yeah, well this program wont take up 90% of your system resources". He couldnt argue with that :)
[03:41] <tmbg_> kernel patches
[03:41] <yaccin> lol
[03:41] <BluesKaj> laptop in the FF addressbar "about:plugins"
[03:41] <yaccin> amarok > itunes
[03:41] <yaccin> its skinable
[03:41] <yaccin> top that :P
[03:42] <[pyro] > yaccin: i havent checked out the skins yet!!
[03:42] <yaccin> it has scripts
[03:42] <yaccin> and there is amarokFS
[03:42] <yaccin> :D
[03:42] <[pyro] > woo
[03:42] <[pyro] > \o/
[03:42] <yaccin> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/CoverFlow+for+amarokFS?content=52887
[03:42] <yaccin> ^^
[03:42] <laptop> BluesKaj:   yet I cant alter the files on that page, can I?
[03:42] <raffytaffy> did someone mention kernel patches:D
[03:43] <laptop> 7.04 works fine for me, btw
[03:43] <laptop> no problems
[03:43] <yaccin> same here
[03:43] <yaccin> running feisty for weeks
[03:43] <[pyro] > yaccin: nice!
[03:43] <yaccin> since herd 1 if i remember correctly
[03:43] <laptop> Im on a laptop packard bell
[03:44] <yaccin> im on a dell laptop and on my desktop
[03:44] <yaccin> :D
[03:44] <laptop> and its also on my DELL inspiron 8000 laptop
[03:44] <BluesKaj> no, but open FF from the terminal , and watch which player is trying to load and if it fails, delete the plugin
[03:44] <yaccin> well leptop still running edgy
[03:44] <[pyro] > laptop: type /nick craptop
[03:44] <[pyro] > ;)
[03:44] <yaccin> but ill upgrade it in the next days
[03:44] <laptop> lol
[03:44] <Lapbottom> umm
[03:45] <Lapbottom> Im just learning terminal commandd
[03:45] <Lapbottom> commands
[03:45] <Lapbottom> to run a program I type what?
[03:45] <raffytaffy> apt-get moo
[03:45] <Lapbottom> I can alt+f2 right?
[03:45] <[pyro] > lol
[03:45] <Lapbottom> and have it run in terminal?
[03:45] <raffytaffy> yes
[03:45] <raffytaffy> apt-get moo
[03:46] <Lapbottom> raffytaffy:  are you talking to me?
[03:46] <raffytaffy> yes
[03:46] <raffytaffy> please try it
[03:46] <Lapbottom> What is moo?
[03:46] <[pyro] > its quite funny
[03:46] <raffytaffy> yes indeed it is
[03:46] <raffytaffy> its not sudo so u wont break anything dont worry
[03:46] <Lapbottom> ahhh
[03:46] <Lapbottom> Easter Egg
[03:47] <Lapbottom> cool
[03:47] <raffytaffy> it spawned an easter egg?
[03:47] <raffytaffy> wtf is supposed to make a cow
[03:47] <Lapbottom> lol
[03:47] <BluesKaj> laptop, sudo firefox
[03:47] <[pyro] > lol
[03:47] <Lapbottom> okay
[03:48] <BluesKaj> try to play the media and watch the terminal
[03:48] <Lapbottom> You should really not run firefox through sudo WITHOUT the -H option.
[03:48] <Lapbottom> Anyway, I'll do as if you did use the -H option.
[03:48] <yaccin> lol
[03:48] <Lapbottom> It ran it with the -h option I didnt get to see anything
[03:48] <yaccin> apt-get moo
[03:48] <yaccin> XD
[03:49] <raffytaffy> :P
[03:49] <Lapbottom> Oh Progress
[03:49] <[pyro] > anyone here use epic?
[03:49] <ep> using the command line, how do I determine which ubuntu version im using
[03:50] <Lapbottom> Now, all of a sudden, after restarting 5 times, now finally its not associating totem (which I removed) with rtsp files (realplayer)
[03:50] <[pyro] > ep: you can find out your kernel version by typing "uname -r"
[03:50] <Lapbottom> Now I need to get the rtsp plugin for mplayer
[03:50] <Jucato> !version | ep
[03:50] <ubotu> ep: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[03:50] <Lapbottom> ? right?
[03:50] <ep> thanks
[03:50] <Jucato> [pyro] : not a very accurate way to find out ubuntu version...
[03:51] <Lapbottom> There was supposed to be a CODEC manager in Feisty, I cant find it
[03:51] <raffytaffy> raf@Equinox:~$ whatis girl
[03:51] <raffytaffy> girl: nothing appropriate.
[03:51] <[pyro] > Jucato: yes, i didnt read the q properly
[03:52] <Jucato> [pyro] : no worries. we all do that sometimes :)
[03:52] <PhinnFort> !kde4
[03:52] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[03:52] <mte_> hello..i have installed Hed 5 a week ago and then upgraded everything via adept updater. Is my configuration now the same as the new Beta's?
[03:53] <AniHatzis> How do I "repair" all the .kde user configuration of my current user account? Let's say reset *all* of them back to the defaults used for a new user account
[03:53] <Lapbottom> oh you have to reinstall
[03:53] <Lapbottom> both of you
[03:53] <Lapbottom> lol
[03:56] <FOAD_> Hey, when I try to change the name of a device item on the deskop it tells me "Access denied"; presumably because I'm not root.  So how do I do change the names of the icons?
[03:57] <bxnp> guys anybody worked with kdar ever before
[03:57] <nabeel> hi to everybody
[03:57] <nabeel> Gambas is in which respository??????
[03:57] <Lapbottom> oh you have to reinstall
[03:58] <Lapbottom> Install 7.04
[03:59] <Lapbottom> upgrade to 7.04
[03:59] <[pyro] > ok heres a question for you guys. if i install a package and it has like 6 other deps and it installs those too. Say if i dont like the package and i uninstall it.. is there any way i can "clean" the other 6 packages out without having to remember them and write them down?
[04:00] <SilentM> apt-get autoremove ?
[04:00] <Lapbottom> lol reinstall
[04:00] <[pyro] > SilentM: is that it?
[04:00] <SilentM> I think so.
[04:00] <[pyro] > looking..
[04:01] <Jucato> [pyro] : apt-get's autoremove or use aptitude to install it
[04:01] <[pyro] > aptitude? hmm
[04:01] <[pyro] > you will have to forgive me guys.. ive used redhat for the past 8 years and only just moved over to a debian based distro
[04:02] <phpcoin> in aptitude - whats the diff between purge and delete ?
[04:02] <Jucato> delete?
[04:02] <nabeel> can anybody help me about gambas, about its repository
[04:02] <Jucato> there's no "delete" command in aptitude...
[04:03] <phpcoin> ok sorry im going from memory - is it remove and purge ?
[04:04] <Jucato> yeah
[04:05] <polly1> Uggg....
[04:05] <polly1> How do I access a windows drive accross my network?
[04:06] <Jucato> phpcoin: remove simply uninstalls the packages. purge deletes configuration files and other stuff that were installed along with them packages, except those in $HOME
[04:06] <phpcoin> thank you
[04:06] <PhinnFort> is it possible to colour the output of aptitude=
[04:06] <PhinnFort> *?
[04:07] <ubuntu_> test
[04:07] <N6REJ> whats the channel name for the bot?
[04:08] <polly1> Anyone here connecting to a windows drive accross a network?
[04:08] <Jucato> hm?
[04:08] <Jucato> !samba
[04:08] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:08] <N6REJ> polly1: you need samba
[04:08] <Jucato> N6REJ: what do you mean? (about the bot)
[04:08] <polly1> N6REJ: Got it.
[04:09] <N6REJ> Jucato: your not supposed to use the bot just for you so I was going to go to the bot channel, but I'm having a brain fart as to what channel it is.  I can't remember the skype repos command
[04:09] <Jucato> N6REJ: actually, you can. just PM ubotu
[04:09] <polly1> N6REJ: Do you need samba on windows as well or is it just on linux?
[04:10] <N6REJ> polly1: just linux
[04:10] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: /msg ubotu
[04:10] <Jucato> !msgthebot | N6REJ
[04:10] <ubotu> N6REJ: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[04:10] <N6REJ> polly1: you need samba because windows has to be "SWATTED" to behave :p
[04:10] <[pyro] > !bluetooth
[04:10] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[04:10] <[pyro] > oh sweet
[04:10] <N6REJ> Jucato: ty!
[04:14] <Zaphar_home> when I try to connect to my usb camera it gives a "cannot claim usb device" error
[04:14] <N6REJ> back in a little while gotta switch over to the workstation
[04:14] <Jucato> !away > yurimxpxman
[04:14] <Zaphar_home> is there any fix available for that?
[04:15] <kasper> Anyone with a good guide howto get flash working in Opera on dapper?
[04:16] <Jucato> !opera
[04:16] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[04:16] <Jucato> O.o
[04:18] <Fri13> I'm having problem, im about to test (yes, backups done! :-D) that new Feisty beta upgrade tool "https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade" but i cant add "deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356-i386/ ./" because adept or apt-get gives error about end, missing dist info...
[04:19] <kasper> Thanks Jucato, gotta learn how to do that ;)
[04:20] <sivajii> tell me how to install prozill.tar.gz
[04:20] <kasper> Maybe i jumped a little to early there. It doesn't say anything about installing Flash? Jucato
[04:21] <mdtyke> Does anyone know how I can fix the fact that Flash in Linux always shows *above* everything else
[04:22] <chijin> the upgrade tool crashed on me :-/
[04:22] <kasper> sivajii: Dont it contain an install file?
[04:22] <Abort-D> raffytaffy!
[04:23] <mdtyke> Im trying apt-get dist-upgrade at the moment
[04:23] <sivajii> ya it is there
[04:23] <sivajii> kasper:ya it is there
[04:24] <kasper> sivajii: drag'n drop it into you terminal and execute it.
[04:26] <sivajii> kasper:there are two files one is install other one is install-sh,which one i am suppose to drop
[04:26] <[pyro] > hmm when i do a sudo hidd --connect <bluetoothdevice> i get a "Can't open input device: No such file or directory (2)" error
[04:27] <Abort-D> does your pc have bluetooth?
[04:27] <[pyro] > yep
[04:27] <[pyro] > and my phone detects the incomming connection asks for a pw etc, but then after all is said and done it comes up with that error
[04:27] <Abort-D> haha i got no clue
[04:28] <kasper> sivajii: my guess would be install-sh, im not that familiar with promillz.
[04:28] <Abort-D> what kinda pc is it?
[04:28] <[pyro] > its a laptop
[04:28] <Abort-D> pretty new?
[04:28] <Abort-D> gateway?
[04:28] <[pyro] > with inbuilt bt
[04:28] <[pyro] > na its a dell :)
[04:28] <Abort-D> bt?
[04:28] <[pyro] > bluetooth
[04:28] <Abort-D> oh
[04:29] <sivajii> permission denied
[04:29] <sivajii> kasper:permission denied
[04:29] <Abort-D> raffytaffy!!!
[04:29] <kasper> sivajii: Use sudo.
[04:29] <[pyro] > hey raffytaffy
[04:29] <raffytaffy> ello
[04:29] <kasper> ey raffytaffy
[04:30] <sivajii> sivaji is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[04:30] <sivajii> kasper:sivaji is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[04:30] <Abort-D> wtf?
[04:30] <Abort-D> is sivajii a bot?
[04:31] <kasper> sivajii: Well if you dont have su rights, then there is nothing to do. Isn't it your own computer?
[04:32] <Ace2016>  Hi all
[04:32] <Ace2016> how do i get info on the current xorg refresh rate
[04:32] <Ace2016> the vertical and horizontal refresh rates
[04:32] <jhutchins> xvidtune is one way.
[04:33] <Abort-D> xorg.conf
[04:33] <sivajii> kasper:yes it is my own pc
[04:33] <Abort-D> xorg. something
[04:33] <Abort-D> i forget right now
[04:33] <jhutchins> Abort-D: The conf file has all possible options, not just the ones in use.
[04:33] <Abort-D> the bottom line does thats what i used to set mine
[04:33] <kasper> sivajii: Then log in with your user that have got su rights :)
[04:34] <jhutchins> sivajii: Are you using the original account you first created when you set up kubuntu?
[04:34] <sivajii> kasper:yes
[04:34] <jhutchins> sivajii: If you create additional users, they won't have sudo rights.
[04:34] <Ace2016> so xvidtune shows teh vrefresh rate and the hrefresh rate?
[04:35] <jhutchins> sivajii: If that's not the case you're going to need to boot to the CD and edit the sudoers file.
[04:35] <sivajii> kasper:only one user is there
[04:35] <Ace2016> the knoppix disk isn't working and so far i tried vsync=60 and hsync=60 but i'm scared that it'll break the monitor
[04:35] <Ace2016> so i need the ones from ubuntu
[04:35] <kasper> sivajii: Use your live CD to boot from and edit the sudoers file..
[04:36] <sivajii> how to edit
[04:36] <Ace2016> kdesu kate
[04:37] <Abort-D> in kde u can right click the file u want to edit to choose to open with root
[04:37] <Mirrakor> any known problems with Ethernet Networkcards from Realtek?
[04:38] <Goliath23> I have to text terminal logins. any idea what that could be? (its a feisty upgraded from edgy upgraded from dapper)
[04:39] <binks> hi dudes ive got a prob with my sisters lappy its an xp machine and bluescreens on boot up i was going to use kubuntu live to exstract importand files but how can i network this
[04:39] <binks> i have a netgear hub and 2 nics in main pc
[04:39] <N6REJ> Jucato: you got a minute?
[04:40] <Jucato> N6REJ: sure
[04:40] <N6REJ> Jucato: can we pm?
[04:40] <laptop> What is dapper?
[04:40] <Jucato> !dapper | laptop
[04:40] <ubotu> laptop: dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[04:40] <binks> !dapper
[04:40] <Jucato> N6REJ: hm... ok (I'll tell you if it should be in #kubuntu anyway :P)
[04:41] <N6REJ> lol
[04:41] <laptop> oh so when someone tells me to use "dapper-commercial repos" what are they telling me?
[04:41] <binks> !repo
[04:41] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:41] <laptop> Okay
[04:41] <laptop> let me be less vague, how do I enable a commercial rep
[04:41] <laptop> repo
[04:42] <jhutchins> laptop: Please read the page at the link provided.
[04:42] <laptop> Can I do it in synaptic or adept?
[04:42] <jhutchins> laptop: Yes.
[04:43] <laptop> thanks
[04:44] <laptop> woohoo found it@@@@@@!!!!  ....ummm   *boing*   (excuse me)
[04:45] <Mirrakor> igel: ping
[04:45] <Mirrakor> welcome to the kubuntu channel :D
[04:45] <laptop> I cant believe Im 34 and I still like to play around with computers.....when will I grow up1
[04:45] <laptop> ?
[04:45] <Mirrakor> laptop: honestly?
[04:45] <Mirrakor> probably never :
[04:46] <laptop> yes
[04:46] <laptop> haha I know!
[04:46] <bxnp> laptop: shake hands i am 35 and always played with computer and i always will
[04:47] <laptop> hehe
[04:47] <kasper> Okay, i'v tried everything now. Anyone who can guide me trough an insallation of flash plugin to Opera?
[04:47] <laptop> Why would I want to add dapper commercial and not for example feisty commercial or edgy commercial
[04:48] <laptop> yeah my parents did me the disservice of buying me a Commadore Vic 20
[04:48] <laptop> downhill ever since
[04:48] <AniHatzis> fooolks.... I had a hell of experience with KDE 3.5.5 on Kubuntu 6.10 since yesterday... totally weird behavior of KMail, Konqueror etc.... and all just because my home partition got full and I got no notice from KDE... :)))
[04:48] <Jucato> laptop: you won't. if you're on dapper, use dapper-commercial. if you're on edgy, use edgy-commercial. there is no feisty-commercial (yet)
[04:48] <bxnp> lol @ laptop
[04:48] <laptop> Check it out http://archive.canonical.com/dists/
[04:49] <Mirrakor> Which is Kubuntus default FS? ext3?
[04:49] <binks> laptop: im 36 m8 and still obsessed and thrilled all the time with my pc
[04:49] <laptop> haha
[04:49] <bxnp> yes ext3 but you could configure other Mirrakor
[04:49] <Jucato> Mirrakor: ext3
[04:49] <laptop> but now my belly is starting to get bigger, faster
[04:49] <Mirrakor> bxnp: just need to know the default one, thx :)
[04:49] <laptop> damn metabolism
[04:49] <laptop> I have to run everyday @@@
[04:49] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: many thanks for your support. if someone else ever experience totally weired behaviour: ask the user if hard-disk got full :)
[04:49] <laptop> ugh
[04:50] <binks> laptop: still hit the gym 4 times a week thou so no belly yet
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> AniHatzis: haha :)
[04:50] <laptop> Yeah i go to the gym, but its sooo boring
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> AniHatzis: I've been there before too. Never dawned on me that was it.
[04:50] <binks> nooo not you to to get a good mixed gym wink wink
[04:50] <laptop> haha
[04:51] <laptop> yah youre right
[04:51] <sivajii> !eddy | sivaji
[04:51] <kobie> hay guys i use ppp0 conection and it hangs up all the time after a couple of minuts
[04:51] <Jucato> laptop: feisty-commercial exists, but is empty. so it's practically useless...
[04:51] <kobie> can some one help me ?
[04:51] <laptop> oh
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eddy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <Betzefer> /nickserv identify kobie6686
[04:51] <Betzefer> /msg nickserv identify kobie6686
[04:52] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: yeah, I already wanted to move to another user-account and wanted Eclipse to commit my changes to subversion - and eclipse told me that! as i got free space again, everything worked fine again. This is somewhat... well, sub-optimal usability, but however, I'm happy that I can enjoy kubuntu again! :)
[04:52] <binks> !edgy |
[04:52] <ubotu> : Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[04:52] <SilentM> >.>
[04:52] <binks> ooops
[04:52] <Betzefer> hay guys i use ppp0 conection and it hangs up all the time after a couple of minuts can some one help ?
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> AniHatzis: perhaps that's something kubuntu could use, some simple applet that warns on disk space, although I hate the idea of turning linux into windows with all the popup warnings about firewalls, antivirus, disk space, etc... :)
[04:53] <raffytaffy> brb
[04:53] <Mirrakor> Betzefer:  /msg Nickserv  set Password <new_pass>
[04:53] <laptop> binks I dont think my wife would approve of my newfound mixed gym and new motivation...hhaha
[04:53] <Betzefer> ya good idea
[04:54] <laptop> OMFG
[04:54] <Mirrakor> only reasonable idea
[04:54] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: You are right. I'm glad that I got rid from this behavior of W32. But I think that the KDE team should have some kind of warning built in start-up of their apps.
[04:55] <N6REJ> Jucato: it FINALLY found the file!
[04:55] <AniHatzis> LeeJunFan: If app Foo needs a minimum free space than it should check it and warn the user. But it's not a good way to just end-up in strange behaviour that is really really weird.
[04:55] <klerfayt> how had to be your swap to successfully suspend to disk?
[04:55] <bxnp> N6REJ: what wilfe where you looking for
[04:56] <klerfayt> *how big*
[04:56] <klerfayt> 1.5times your ram?
[04:56] <jhutchins> AniHatzis: Actually, there will be a warning if a partition is full on startup, but you might miss it.
[04:56] <Betzefer> hay guys i use ppp0 conection and it hangs up all the time after a couple of minuts can some one help ?
[04:56] <Betzefer> hay guys i use DSL conection and it hangs up all the time after a couple of minuts can some one help ?
[04:56] <N6REJ> bxnp: my stupid winblows was barfing on trying to find a file on the master CD and OF COURSSE microdump in their wisdom doesn't allow you to create a dup of the cd to use when its brand new to protect the master
[04:57] <jhutchins> Betzefer: We don't seem to have a lot of ppp experts here, you may need to tune the settings of the connection, but google will be more help than we will.
[04:57] <bxnp> oke,
[04:57] <AniHatzis> jhutchins: I didn't see any on the screen, nor in the strace output. Eclipse told me as I wanted to commit my work before setting all up again.
[04:57] <jhutchins> Betzefer: Your ISP is actually a pretty good source for information on how it should be set up.
[04:57] <Betzefer> u dont use DSL connetions around here ?
[04:57] <N6REJ> bxnp: I'm got one machine that I have to use xp on because of the gps software and then one TINY 20G install of it on this machine for Adobe photshop and swish and then I'm DONE with windblows!
[04:57] <klerfayt> it seems I hit the bug there you suspend to disk and then you start your pc again swap is disabled cause swap wasn't big enough?
[04:58] <raffytaffy> ok hdparm startup script works good
[04:58] <N6REJ> klerfayt: increase the size of your swap :D
[04:58] <jhutchins> AniHatzis: There are disk space monitors available.
[04:58] <Betzefer> raffytaffy : u know about DSL connetcions right ?
[04:59] <klerfayt> N6REJ: god. this means reinstall. though I made sure to allocate 1.5of ram to swap (768swap is 1.5 512ram)
[04:59] <raffytaffy> depends
[04:59] <raffytaffy> bits and pieces
[04:59] <N6REJ> klerfayt: why reinstall?
[04:59] <N6REJ> klerfayt: this ain't winblows
[04:59] <Betzefer> can i query u raffytaffy ?
[04:59] <AniHatzis> jhutchins: yeah, right. whenever I see no windows any more of some specific apps, I will check for free space. I should have do at the first place. But I didn't understand that this could be the reason. :)
[04:59] <raffytaffy> yes
[04:59] <klerfayt> N6REJ: not free space left
[05:00] <N6REJ> klerfayt: your entire hd is full?
[05:00] <klerfayt> N6REJ: not in tha sense. partitoned fully, but partitions aren't full
[05:00] <SilentM> That actually happened to me once, without explanation. The next day it was better, and I hadn't deleted anything.
[05:01] <david> Is there a way to sync mail using synce and wm2003
[05:01] <jhutchins> klerfayt: You should be fine with 512M of RAM and 768 swap, although I would have done 1G (2x).
[05:01] <N6REJ> klerfayt: then its not full :D  ok, in a nutshell what you do is you resize one partition, then one closest to the swap partition, then extend the swap!
[05:02] <tmbg_> I find the 2x rule is pretty dumb.
[05:02] <tmbg_> for most systems and programs the more ram you have the LESS swap you need.
[05:02] <jhutchins> klerfayt: If you were messing with suspend and your swap is now disabled, it's probably corrupt and you just need to reformat it.  This is a known bug.
[05:02] <N6REJ> tmbg_: until  you run into apps like photoshop!
[05:02] <klerfayt> jhutchins: I never use more swap than 100MB I believe so I just picked 1.5times my ram then partioning the drive
[05:02] <david> Anyone know a way to sync email using synce and wm2003 dont care what mail pgm - ANY!!!
[05:03] <david> other pim info is no problem, got that working.
[05:03] <klerfayt> jhutchins: I'll try resume=/dev/sda... trick
[05:04] <N6REJ> jhutchins: whats a good ssh client for kde??
[05:04] <david> N6RE why not just use terminal?
[05:04] <N6REJ> david: term to another machien on the lan?
[05:05] <tmbg_> ssh is builtin.
[05:05] <david> yes ssh root@//xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[05:05] <N6REJ> yeah
[05:05] <N6REJ> david: how you going to root in ubuntu?
[05:05] <david> like that
[05:05] <david> type:  ssh root@//xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[05:06] <tmbg_> who said xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx was an ubuntu box?
[05:06] <N6REJ> sorry
[05:06] <david> what?
[05:07] <N6REJ> nope, connection refused.  I obvisouly don't have things setup properly yet.
[05:07] <david> ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[05:07] <N6REJ> yep
[05:07] <david> you have physical access to the other pc? Maybe need to apt-get openssh
[05:08] <Abort-D> hm
[05:09] <david> help
[05:09] <Abort-D> no
[05:09] <david> keeps kicking my nick
[05:09] <N6REJ> david: yeah, I haven't finished ALL of the server config yet.  I'm having a quandry with the network config.  The 4 machines here are all behind a linksys (cisco) router providing NAT & DHCP to a dsl modem.  I want the server to act as a lan server ONLY, no incoming junk, from the outside world, just from the lan.  so CURRENTLY all machines are dhcp clients to the router.  I've got both NIS and Samba installed but not totally configured yet.
[05:10] <N6REJ> david: I've been following the instructions on the ubuntu-server-guide but I'm at the ethernet config section and am unsure if I should change anything.  I thought seriously about assigning the ips, via mac address's
[05:11] <david> you said you can ping?
[05:11] <N6REJ> david: the server keeps wanting to be a client of my isp :(
[05:11] <N6REJ> david: yeah, np
[05:11] <david> ok you need to install the ssh server
[05:11] <N6REJ> david: needless to say I have con for the server right next to me.
[05:12] <N6REJ> david: let me see if I did that step, so skip the eth0 config for now and leave it dhcp?
[05:12] <david> apt-get openssh-server
[05:12] <N6REJ> cc
[05:12] <david> if ping works then yes
[05:12] <david> for now
[05:12] <N6REJ> david k
[05:13] <david> sudo of course
[05:13] <N6REJ> heheheheh you nailed it.. .boy I must of been really frustrated yesterday.
[05:13] <david> sudo apt-get openssh-server
[05:13] <N6REJ> yeah
[05:13] <david> I've been there lol. Only a few months ago. Doesn't take long to get up to speed. lol
[05:14] <N6REJ> david: works great now :D  nice... I'll remember that.
[05:14] <david> good
[05:14] <N6REJ> david: so now I have to finish following the steps in the guide??
[05:15] <david> I don't know about a file manager for ubuntu because I use kubuntu but try sftp://root@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[05:15] <david> Dunno to be honest, never read the guide ;)
[05:15] <david> in your file mgr for ubuntu
[05:15] <klerfayt> not good, doing reinstall now. what did you say? 1GB swap with 512ram?
[05:16] <N6REJ> well, I will have samba installed and working because its going to be a file server for "mac, kde, xp, xfce" and probably more.
[05:16] <david> klerfayt swap=double ram up to 2gig
[05:16] <N6REJ> klerfayt: what are you running that is eating all your ram up????
[05:16] <david> If you have samba working then your doing pretty well!
[05:16] <cyt> !ntfs
[05:17] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:17] <N6REJ> david: not yet I don't but I will have.
[05:17] <cyt> !ntfs-3g
[05:17] <klerfayt> david: so 1gb for me since I got 512ram. what happened now if I e.g. installed another 512 ram stick
[05:17] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[05:17] <david> how soon will you do that?
[05:17] <N6REJ> klerfayt: your problems would be over... I have a 1g here and never run out of ram unless I'm using photoshop
[05:17] <klerfayt> david: nothing. suspend to disk failed. it seems you need 1.5the size of ram for swap
[05:17] <N6REJ> david: today or tomorrow.
[05:18] <david> n6re: good luck!
[05:18] <cyt> !fuse
[05:18] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[05:18] <N6REJ> david: I'll win I always do.  20 yrs ago I was an expert at this stuff, but now it just comes very very slowly
[05:18] <david> klerfayt truly doesn't matter how big your swap space is really. Just a matter of performance
[05:18] <N6REJ> using ntfs in *nix is just begging for trouble
[05:19] <klerfayt> david: then why did suspend to disk fail?
[05:19] <david> Sorry dunno. Dont use suspend.
[05:19] <klerfayt> :)
[05:20] <david> I don't use it i mean
[05:20] <N6REJ> klerfayt: why are you suspending to disk?
[05:20] <N6REJ> klerfayt: what mb?
[05:20] <klerfayt> N6REJ: I usually don't. it's laptop
[05:20] <david> So I take there are no power users can help with syncing email (not pim) with pocket pc using synce?
[05:20] <klerfayt> N6REJ: how does suspend to disk work? does it use swap space?
[05:21] <N6REJ> klerfayt: tell it to "sleep" but not suspend.  Some systems don't suspend well at all.  Double/triple check that your bios are the latest.
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: yes it uses swap.
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: if you seem to suspend okay, but the resume is what doesn't work - in my experience it's framebuffer.
[05:21] <N6REJ> klerfayt: so if you have 4g of programs running then you need 4g of swap :D
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> framebuffer breaks suspend to ram or disk for me.
[05:22] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: how you disable it? just remove "splash"?
[05:22] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: wth is framebuffer anyway... is that like the old dos buffers?
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> !framebuffer
[05:22] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[05:22] <david> cyall
[05:22] <klerfayt> N6REJ: I believe it is 640x480 picture you see at boot
[05:23] <N6REJ> klerfayt: hmmmmmmmmmm... that don't make sense... normally linux names fit the crime
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> the bootsplash uses the framebuffer to put the graphics on the screen.
[05:25] <BluesKaj> hmm, now my mplayer for FF is acting up on sites that require windows media ..it launches but then stops ..anyone had this problem and solved it ?
[05:26] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: correct way to disable it is to use vga=normal. right? is there a font for console that displays normal on 16:10 screens?
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: my font looks fine with 1680x1050.
[05:27] <Jucato> "cat /etc/usplash.conf" shows what resolution usplash uses
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: vga=normal should do it, but sometimes I've found I have to blacklist the module for the framebuffer too.
[05:27] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: in you desktop, sure. but I mean terminals (ttys)
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: that's what I'm talking about  :) in the console.
[05:28] <Jucato> disable the splash?
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> I'm using my own kernel, no fb even compiled.
[05:28] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: no way they only display correctly on 4:3 displays. on 16:10 font must be stretched
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: I don't know what to tell you, mine look fine.
[05:29] <N6REJ> can anyone explain why I would want to use a umask of 077 vs 022 on a lan???
[05:29] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: *in a same way as usplash gets stretched)
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: 077 means only the user that owns it can do anything with it, 022 means other can read and execute, but not write.
[05:31] <Ayabara2> can someone recommend a good cd ripper. what ogg vorbis rate would be approx the same as aac@160kbps?
[05:31] <frojnd> hello guys
[05:32] <frojnd> need quick advice
[05:32] <klerfayt> should I put my 1GB swap in the beginning or the end of the disk?
[05:32] <frojnd> how can I connect to other kubuntu maschine if I know IP username and password??
[05:32] <frojnd> through internet?
[05:33] <frojnd> ssh username@IP ?
[05:33] <yaccin> http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/03/performance-tip-for-ubuntu-edgy-and.html
[05:33] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: is this a "default" setting that can be over-ridden or does this circumvent the users?  One of my purposes for the server is as a joomla testbed.  There, because everything is dynamic alot of the files must be world writeable.  Now I KNOW I don't need to have ftp to put the files on the server, BUT I WANT to have ftp so that I can practice the behavior exactly as it will happen on my world servers, so I can work out the kinks so to speak.
[05:33] <yaccin> frojnd: there must an ssh-server be installed an running
[05:34] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: and vsftpd is asking me if I want 077 or 022 or?
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: it's default. users should be able to change perms on files they own.
[05:34] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: ok, great ty.
[05:35] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: so a normal ISP would have it 077???
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: depends. If you are using it on a webserver you need apache's uuid to be able to read it, so in that case you'd want 022.
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: so if someone uploads their webpage www-data will need to be able to read it in order to serve it.
[05:36] <Duckers_> hi.. I'm getting "Critical error during ped_disk_new!" when i choose to edit the partition table manually while installing kubuntu. then i get the partition edit screen with all buttons disabled and can't do anything except go back or terminate installation. any ideas what to do?
[05:37] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: oh ok, that makes sense.  while we're on the subject ip/32 means the entire class "C" correct?
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> no /32 is one IP.
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> /24 is a class C or 255.255.255.0
[05:37] <N6REJ> grrrrrrrrrr no wonder it never worked.
[05:37] <N6REJ> k ty!
[05:40] <petra> hey guys ... a question: How can I copy a file from my linux partition to a Windows XP (NTFS) partition?    I could mount it,  but  I cannot write it
[05:40] <petra> its readonly
[05:40] <Jucato> before I go to bed, just a heads up for you Beryl lovers: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/102 Beryl is in the repos now (feisty).
[05:41] <BluesKaj> ! ntfs-3g | petra
[05:41] <ubotu> petra: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[05:41] <klerfayt> Jucato: is it latest?
[05:42] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: what is your feelings on using NFS and samba together?
[05:42] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: is nfs for ltsp??
[05:43] <Jucato> !info beryl feisty | klerfayt
[05:43] <ubotu> klerfayt: Package beryl does not exist in feisty
[05:43] <Jucato> bah
[05:43] <klerfayt> :)
[05:43] <yaccin> N6REJ: ever used it?
[05:43] <Jucato> klerfayt: Beryl 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2
[05:43] <N6REJ> no
[05:43] <yaccin> then you wont
[05:43] <yaccin> :D
[05:44] <klerfayt> N6REJ: it gives you black screen bug with nvidia drivers
[05:44] <BluesKaj> !Ext2IFS_1_10c.exe | petra
[05:44] <N6REJ> later jucato
[05:44] <N6REJ> klerfayt: that leaves me out cause I'm a nvidia only house!  Won't run ati no matter what
[05:45] <BluesKaj> !Ext2IFS
[05:45] <yaccin> << nvidia
[05:45] <N6REJ> yaccin: whats the big deal about it?? is it super eye candy or something?
[05:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext2ifs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:45] <yaccin> N6REJ: sure its eye candy
[05:45] <yaccin> but
[05:45] <yaccin> not only
[05:45] <yaccin> i cant live without it
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: nfs is a more raw form of file sharing, it's got great performance but lacks a lot of security features.
[05:45] <yaccin> its so much fun work now
[05:45] <N6REJ> yaccin: so its an "envirorment"?
[05:45] <klerfayt> N6REJ: it gives you black window depenging on your card, turbocache cards are most affected by this. workaround is to use "copy rendering path"
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: nfs performance makes it very well suited for ltsp. I use NFS for our library here to netboot all the PC's.
[05:46] <yaccin> N6REJ: its a window manager
[05:46] <N6REJ> OH
[05:46] <N6REJ> k
[05:46] <yaccin> and it lets you use apps like cairo-clock, avant-window-navigator and screenlets
[05:46] <yaccin> ^^
[05:46] <yaccin> or affinity search
[05:46] <yaccin> :)
[05:46] <yaccin> kiba-dock
[05:46] <yaccin> etc
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> Beryl is one of those things that really serves no purpose, and you think what a waste of CPU cycles, then you use it one time and you can't go back to a non beryl desktop :)
[05:47] <klerfayt> yaccin: yeah but I found it to not do one most important thing - less cpu usage
[05:47] <BluesKaj> Ext2 Installable File System for Windows http://www.fs-driver.org/
[05:47] <yaccin> LeeJunFan: true true ^^
[05:47] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan:  just what I need :P
[05:47] <yaccin> klerfayt: im working on that ^^
[05:47] <yaccin> konversation <3
[05:48] <ForgeAus> awww
[05:48] <orient2000> How to find Beryl and drivers http://www.filesearching.com
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> In that way beryl is like the opposite sex, at first you're like - eww! girls have cooties, then you're like - oooh! girls have _______ :)
[05:48] <N6REJ> yaccin: I have no idea
[05:48] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: ROTFLMBO
[05:48] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: look here http://www.n6rej.com its not dirty at all I promise
[05:49] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan , I have no prob living without beryl , but then i'm not particularly fond of eye candy that's just window dressing anyway :)
[05:49] <yaccin> LeeJunFan: well, actually im gay
[05:49] <yaccin> :P
[05:49] <ForgeAus> I can live without beryl too
[05:49] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: I've been using ec on winblows for so long that I don't know how I'm going to feel not having it.
[05:50] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: beryl is not well integrated into kde. one example is half-working desktop pager
[05:50] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I just love that pic!
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> yaccin: I knew someone would have to say that just to ruin my analogy.
[05:50] <yaccin> klerfayt: i dont need a pager, i have expo-mode :P
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: you tried 0.2.0? It's working much better than the last release.
[05:50] <yaccin> LeeJunFan: well, actually its true :P
[05:50] <yaccin> << svn repo... err git-repo :D
[05:50] <BluesKaj> s'ok LeeJunFan , the rest of us  know what you mean
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: my pager works well.
[05:51] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: do you think I should run nfs and samba too???  ( mac, xp, *nix, 98 ) are the major os's
[05:51] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: no I'm waiting then nvidia fixes black window bug first (waiting months now)
[05:51] <ForgeAus> well kwin will have some beryl-like features  in kde4
[05:51] <yaccin> klerfayt: use aiglx until then?
[05:51] <yaccin> ForgeAus: but just some very basic
[05:51] <yaccin> and it already has them
[05:51] <yaccin> (transparenca and shadows)
[05:51] <[Naigovan] > for some reason  mybeyl is not working well with applications on wine
[05:52] <yaccin> [Naigovan] : i have no problem with beryl + wine :/
[05:52] <N6REJ> speaking of nvidia I have an OLD Geforce 5200 agp 8x with 128mb.  I paid a fortune for it.  Whats the best driver to use for it?
[05:52] <yaccin> N6REJ: the nvidia drivers? ^^
[05:52] <N6REJ> yeah
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: yeah, I read about that. too bad. the new 0.2.0 has much better kde integration and even more so with key bindings, etc...
[05:52] <N6REJ> there's NVIDIA's drivers and then there are ubuntu's drivers
[05:53] <yaccin> N6REJ: take nvidias
[05:53] <[Naigovan] > yaccin: hm I can not minimize resize etc wine windows kwin wokrs fine
[05:53] <N6REJ> k, thats what I've always done, just checking as its been a while since I've tried this.  Getting hijacked just pushed me over the edge!
[05:54] <yaccin> [Naigovan] : hmm thats strange :/
[05:54] <BluesKaj> N6REJ, I'm so close to wiping my windows partition it's scary ... been using it since I found out about pc's and what great stuff can be done with them ...8 yrs now. Linux for the last yr 90%of the time.
[05:54] <N6REJ> yaccin: I know a guy named bill you could go visit for me *snicker*
[05:54] <klerfayt> yaccin: aiglx is very slow then, unless I select copy rendering path. but that gives same performance as withoug aiglx (kinda sluggish)
[05:54] <yaccin> N6REJ: why visit ?
[05:54] <yaccin> klerfayt: but it fixes the black window bug :)
[05:56] <klerfayt> yaccin: I know... how does it perform compared to normal "rendering path"? I can't see it cause with normal rendering path all I see is panel, everything else is black
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: I found a trick to speed up aiglx :) use schedutils chrt to give X and beryl realtime priorities :)
[05:56] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: I got dns hijacked and it took me a while to figure it out, and I run a business.  They somehow got THROUGH my nat router!!! , through avast, through windows defender, through lavasoft, through windows firewall!!!!  forget that, I can't have that happening!!!!   If it wasn't for a few measly games and photoshop I'd never use winblows again.  I was telling the wife I can see mac's in our future
[05:56] <yaccin> klerfayt: i didnt notice any perfomance differencies
[05:57] <[Naigovan] > yaccin: yep and i get no errors at all
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: the problem is likely that if you had DNS open they didn't have to go thru anything to get at it. :)
[05:57] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: if you answered my question I missed it... nfs & samba, nfs, or samba or????
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: nfs is a more raw form of file sharing, it's got great performance but lacks a lot of security features.
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: nfs performance makes it very well suited for ltsp. I use NFS for our library here to netboot all the PC's.
[05:58] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I had only one thing open that I know of and that is that I didn't have "filter redirection on and upnp off"
[05:58] <yaccin> N6REJ: tried the beryl forums?
[05:58] <[Naigovan] > samba works fine for me -)
[05:58] <klerfayt> yaccin: hmm I guess I should use beryl again then (since I don't have an excuse of copy rendering path to be slower)
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: you have a good password on your router too?
[05:58] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I did have I have no clue now.
[05:59] <yaccin> klerfayt: :) also i think the black window bug is fixed in svn
[05:59] <N6REJ> that reminds me I'd better go change it.
[05:59] <yaccin> at least i didnt have a black window for weeks now
[05:59] <BluesKaj> N6REJ, that's scary ,wife & I also behind a NAT router , using AVG on the windows pc and partitions ... so  far so good.
[05:59] <klerfayt> yaccin: no that is nvidia drivers bug
[05:59] <klerfayt> speaking of routers - should I enable upnp?
[05:59] <yaccin> then why dont i have black windows?
[05:59] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: make sure "filter nat redirection" is checked!
[05:59] <yaccin> ^^
[05:59] <N6REJ> klerfayt: NO!
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: well - it depends.
[06:00] <klerfayt> N6REJ: why?
[06:00] <raffytaffy> anyone care to try some custom firmware?
[06:00] <N6REJ> klerfayt: that was one of my mistakes, It says "go ahead open what ever you want if I run a program that asks for a port"
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: if you use apps like bittorrent you'll probably want it because your torrent software will have to use upnp to open up the necessary ports on your router.
[06:00] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: OH :(
[06:00] <BluesKaj> N6REJ , what router ?
[06:00] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: I noticed that
[06:00] <N6REJ> wrt54g
[06:01] <raffytaffy> LeeJunFan : i forward port for azureus. works good
[06:01] <raffytaffy> i turn 3DES off when i run torrents
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> yeah, like raffytaffy says, you can also just manually forward the ports and not use upnp.
[06:01] <raffytaffy> encryption slows them down terribly
[06:02] <raffytaffy> i had to lower MTU on router for torrents also
[06:02] <klerfayt> what so bad about upnp then?
[06:02] <raffytaffy> keep that in mind
[06:02] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: if I use NFS do I want/need samba?
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: what's bad about it is that it's hard to monitor what opens and forwards what ports to where.
[06:03] <raffytaffy> LeeJunFan : port sentry and common sense ..perhaps snort for IDS is good imo
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: with upnp off you know the only forwarded ports are the ones you specify, with upnp on you never know what application opened what port to where inside your network, leaving a big gaping hole for someone to get in thru.
[06:04] <raffytaffy> upnp is buggy as hell imo
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: yeah, fine for me and you, but when you boot into windows or have windows machines on the network..
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: of course there's snort for windows too.
[06:04] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: I can't think of anyone wanting to get through ;)
[06:04] <raffytaffy> yes..i do not have windows...so they need extra steps you are right
[06:04] <apo__> hello everybody
[06:04] <raffytaffy> hi
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: that's a common misconception, spammers and botmasters do, even if you don't have anything on your HD except a 20 year old collection of power puff girls picks.
[06:05] <raffytaffy> i love my netgear fsv114 router
[06:05] <raffytaffy> but i think its time i stepped up to a cisco 2800
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> raffytaffy: I use linux for all my routers, including the T1's.
[06:06] <raffytaffy> linux for router is a must
[06:06] <LeeJunFan> T1's get sangoma cards in a linux box.
[06:06] <N6REJ> I miss my commercial cisco but when I quit being an ISP I couldn't pass up the offer that was made to me for it.
[06:06] <raffytaffy> but i need cisco router bcse i want ccna and other cc's
[06:06] <raffytaffy> i need something to practice on
[06:06] <N6REJ> raffytaffy: believe it or not even the cheap routers normally are *nix routers
[06:06] <raffytaffy> my netgear runs linux
[06:07] <raffytaffy> i had linksys in the past ..i installed hyper wrt custom firmware on them...worked ok
[06:07] <Skuller> Will someone please have a loof at my 'beery; --replace' http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11867/ and tell me how do i remove the problem?
[06:07] <Skuller> look*
[06:08] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: would you recommend install xinetd on the server?
[06:08] <BluesKaj> <---- speedstream 6300 siemens router , but I have no idea how to hack it , not yet anyway :)
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: I use it, you only need it if you have services that you want launched on demand from an outside connection request.
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: I use it for tftp server.
[06:09] <raffytaffy> i need a switch
[06:09] <raffytaffy> even a used one
[06:09] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I'd kinda prefer that because the server is only a celeron 500 and its got enough to do as it is.  Better to not have something running thats not needed.  Thats why I put xfce on it.
[06:10] <raffytaffy> perhapsi can go scavange in cisco dumpster for switch lol
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> I've got a managed 10M cisco 24pt in the garage :)
[06:10] <kshinda> is there a way to restart sound without restarting my comp? basically i had sound then somewhere it crashed and now no sound plays, it's happened before and I just reset my computer and it works again, but is there a way to restart just thes sound drivers/devices without restarting the comp?
[06:10] <raffytaffy> are u selling it?
[06:10] <posingaspopular> kshinda, restart alsa?
[06:11] <SilentM> kshinda: kcontrol > Sound and Multimedia > Sound System
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: want to know what to expect running linux as a server?
[06:11] <SilentM> Disable and then Enable.
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> root@morningstar:~# uptime
[06:11] <LeeJunFan>  13:11:05 up 341 days, 13:29,  1 user,  load average: 0.36, 0.25, 0.28
[06:11] <N6REJ> yeah, I USSED to run *nix servers all the time then I got away from it... now I'm back for good.
[06:11] <N6REJ> nice uptime!
[06:12] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: that's one of my everything servers, so it's not like it does nothing all day.
[06:12] <BluesKaj> N6REJ,older celerons aren't SOTA , but they're useful with linux' minimal stuff like xfce
[06:12] <raffytaffy> my uptime never goes above a few days. all the kernel work i do has me rebooting quite often
[06:12] <raffytaffy> :P
[06:12] <raffytaffy> but once my katana will be up and runing i expect a few years
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> Had one make 2 years before that was a router/squidserver, 4 T1's, running squid with a 200G raid0 array. Finally croaked when the HD's went on it like they all drank the koolaid at the same time. IBM deathstars.
[06:13] <raffytaffy> ouch
[06:13] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I just told vsftpd to NOT run in standalone mode and then /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop  Should that take care of it?
[06:13] <raffytaffy> im looking into some sort of fiber connection
[06:13] <raffytaffy> im in nyc
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: that server of mine is a celeron 500.
[06:14] <raffytaffy> so it shouldnt be that expensive
[06:14] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: sweet!
[06:14] <pixelation> I'm looking for something simple to show me running apps that are RAM hogs?  Any ideas?
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: and it handles webserver, dns, mail including amavis/clamscan virus scanning and spamassasin. You're celeron will do fine.
[06:15] <yaccin> pixelation:  top?
[06:15] <laptop> I installed Realplayer 10 and cspan files still wont play with it, rtsp files wont associate with realplayer, in firefox, its excruciating. wtf?
[06:15] <skarface> pixelation: top or htop
[06:15] <raffytaffy> im goin xeon
[06:15] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: thats good news... its got about 384megs of ram in it.
[06:15] <raffytaffy> quad perhaps
[06:15] <pixelation> skarface... oh bash command?
[06:15] <skarface> yeah
[06:15] <adaptr> pixelation: no, top command
[06:15] <kshinda> posingaspopular: the on off from kcontrol didnt seem to fix it, anything else you think might work?
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: I've got twice that, but could get away with less if not for virus scanning and apache.
[06:16] <pixelation> heh, ok cool thanks, I'm tempted to ask for a GUI, but I should really start using bash more.
[06:16] <raffytaffy> apache like swiss cheese. holes everywhere
[06:16] <posingaspopular> you mean the command SilentM said, about kcontol>sound andmultimedia> sound system?
[06:16] <posingaspopular> my idea was to check alsa
[06:16] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: well, memory has come down so perhaps I can find some cheap memory for it now.  Add a 512mb stick just to be safe.
[06:17] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: right now 0k swap is being used :D
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> there's nothing wrong with apache, it's the (cr)apps people use on it. I've seen more bad PHP apps cause pwned servers it isn't even close to funny.
[06:17] <kshinda> yea, tried that, unchecked enable went apply then enabled and applied
[06:17] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I hear you.
[06:17] <pixelation> also (hypothetically) could someone keylog or place a virus or install a root kit or a server in wine?
[06:18] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: could you walk me through this nfs config please?/
[06:18] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: as for the vsftpd you'll need to configure xinetd to listen for connections on ftp port and launch vsftpd when needed.
[06:18] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I'm following the ubuntu server guide and i'm stuck on the export sectioon
[06:18] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: there isn't much to configuring NFS, which is why it's dangerous.
[06:18] <raffytaffy> i like to use php webmin to configure ftp
[06:19] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: how do I tell xinetd that?
[06:19] <raffytaffy> im lazy
[06:19] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: I would absolutely NOT allow NFS to be open to the internet.
[06:19] <MetaBookfoziS> i have compiled the same ".config"-ured kernel on two different machines, the question is, why not equal the two kernel's size in bytes?
[06:19] <MetaBookfoziS> 16m both, but some thousand byte is the differece
[06:19] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: no, I don't want that either.  But I'm stupid enough to not know how to set it up to be safe
[06:19] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: there should be some examples in /etc/xinet.d that might help, man xinetd.conf
[06:20] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: k, I'll look
[06:21] <seanheron> hello
[06:22] <seanheron> I wanted to ask if anybody here has a quick tip on watching real player streams ?
[06:22] <Dumahen> how can i fix this problem ?? pls help me  http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ekrangrntstc9.png
[06:22] <seanheron> (I want to watch a video from the UN archive)
[06:24] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I'm getting an interesting error, considering I've implicitly told it to allow local access .... 500 OOPS: vsftpd: both local and anonymous access disabled!
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: hehe, I should talk about not having NFS open to the internet :) I do on my machine right now. Of course it only allows my local IP's and the shares are all read-only.
[06:25] <binks> how can i cl copy the My\ Documents folder from a windows drive to my /Home
[06:25] <N6REJ> lol
[06:25] <N6REJ> !ubunto samba | binks
[06:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubunto samba - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <N6REJ> !ubuto samba | binks
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuto samba - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <yaccin> lol
[06:26] <sax> nice
[06:26] <N6REJ> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[06:26] <N6REJ> !ubutu samba | binks
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubutu samba - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <yaccin> !paste | N6REJ
[06:26] <ubotu> N6REJ: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:26] <yaccin> :P
[06:26] <N6REJ> I give up
[06:26] <N6REJ> :P
[06:26] <yaccin> !ubuntu samba | binks
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu samba - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <bluesceada> hi
[06:26] <yaccin> !samba | binks
[06:26] <ubotu> binks: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:26] <bluesceada> my dad likes the kubuntu live cd
[06:27] <bluesceada> just...
[06:27] <bluesceada> there are some little things which he doesnt
[06:27] <bluesceada> and so wouldnt use it
[06:27] <yaccin> which things?
[06:27] <N6REJ> bluesceada: like?
[06:27] <bluesceada> i guess (k)ubuntu should be for people who are no pc specialists
[06:27] <bluesceada> like ---> mp3 support
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: hrm, dunno. My config is pretty straightforward. perhaps you need to issue a /etc/init.d/vsfptd restart to get it to reload the config?
[06:27] <yaccin> !mp3 | bluesceada
[06:27] <ubotu> bluesceada: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:27] <bluesceada> and ntfs support
[06:27] <bluesceada> yaccin: i know it
[06:27] <Sanne> why samba just for copying files from one drive to another in the same machine?
[06:27] <yaccin> !ntfs @ bluesceada
[06:27] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I told it /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop LOL
[06:28] <yaccin> !ntfs | bluesceada
[06:28] <ubotu> bluesceada: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:28] <yaccin> ^^
[06:28] <bluesceada> yaccin: it's just disappointing that it doesnt work directly with the live cd
[06:28] <bluesceada> dont tell me
[06:28] <bluesceada> i just think that the live cd should support it initially
[06:28] <yaccin> bluesceada: licensing issues
[06:28] <bluesceada> without having to set anything up
[06:28] <bluesceada> yaccin: but why do other distris have it?
[06:28] <yaccin> they are legally not allowed to
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: then you shouldn't have gotten a connection to ftp at all:) hehe
[06:28] <bluesceada> and what about ntfs
[06:28] <yaccin> because they dont care/you ay for it
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> bbiab.
[06:28] <bluesceada> yaccin: for both mp3 and ntfs?
[06:28] <yaccin> mp3 yes
[06:29] <bluesceada> and ntfs?
[06:29] <yaccin> ntfs i dont know, but ntfs is still kinda experimentyl
[06:29] <bluesceada> yaccin: yeh but it doesnt work like it should
[06:29] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: grrrrrr same thing.  let me check something
[06:29] <bluesceada> if i click on the icon, i dont have the permissions
[06:29] <yaccin> thats why its not included
[06:29] <yaccin> or enabled
[06:29] <yaccin> by default
[06:29] <bluesceada> i had to mount -t ntfs -o ro,uid=999 /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[06:29] <bluesceada> and i also had to create the media dirs..
[06:29] <yaccin> sure
[06:29] <yaccin> thats normal
[06:30] <Dumahen> how can i fix this problem ?? pls help me  http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ekrangrntstc9.png
[06:30] <bluesceada> so why not do it also graphically ... and give a warning "just read-only" ??
[06:30] <yaccin> you cant mount something to a place that doesnt exist
[06:30] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I bet this is the culperate
[06:30] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan:                    server              = /usr/etc/in.ftpd
[06:30] <bluesceada> yaccin: i know enough about *nix it's just the problem for other people
[06:30] <yaccin> bluesceada: you can setup fstab entries graphically
[06:30] <bluesceada> as i just saw it for my dad
[06:30] <yaccin> wyth systemsettings
[06:30] <bluesceada> he would just find it disappointing .. and continue using windows for at least 1-2 years
[06:31] <bluesceada> yaccin: yeh still you have to do sth.
[06:31] <yaccin> thats because people just look ~5 minutes on linux and then say its crap :(
[06:31] <yaccin> bluesceada: sure you have
[06:31] <bluesceada> yaccin: most people just testing it find that disappointing and dont care any longer
[06:31] <binks> ok the thing is im trying to get some files off a lappy that has a broken windows so i loaded the live cd will samba still be the way forward
[06:31] <yaccin> its better then it destroys all your ntfs partitions
[06:31] <bluesceada> yaccin: at least it should be easier guided ... you should be guided to the system settings if there are problems over media:/
[06:32] <bluesceada> just mount it read only ..
[06:32] <binks> !mount ntfs
[06:32] <yaccin> simply dont use ntfs :P
[06:32] <N6REJ> brb
[06:32] <ubotu> mount: Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems. In component main, is required. Version 2.12r-11ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 179 kB, installed size 400 kB
[06:32] <bluesceada> yaccin: xD ... if the person used windows before etc...
[06:32] <yaccin> can windows read/write ext3 by default?
[06:32] <yaccin> nmo
[06:33] <yaccin> and nobody cares
[06:33] <yaccin> :(
[06:33] <binks> yes it can yaccin
[06:33] <bluesceada> yaccin: no of course .. but the aim is to bring people to linux ... not other way around .. see bug #1
[06:33] <yaccin> but if linux doesnt read/write ntfs by default its shit
[06:33] <bluesceada> :D
[06:33] <yaccin> :(
[06:33] <yaccin> binks: not out of the box
[06:33] <bluesceada> you know bug #1 i guess
[06:33] <binks> no there is a driver for it
[06:33] <yaccin> sure i do
[06:33] <yaccin> binks: same as ntfs for linux
[06:33] <yaccin> thats what i said
[06:33] <binks> yes sorry i didnt see all
[06:34] <yaccin> :)
[06:34] <binks> but does ubuntu need a reinstall evey 6 weeks like xp
[06:34] <N6REJ> binks: heck no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:34] <binks> my ubuntu drive was built around 18 months ago
[06:34] <bluesceada> yaccin: the thing is .. people want to be happy initially in linux like they are used to in windows ... in windows anything seems fine at the beginning
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: yeah, it running the wrong ftp server I bet.
[06:34] <binks> and never well nearly never gets rebooted
[06:35] <bluesceada> of course it's other way around in linux, but how can you explain that to people :S
[06:35] <yaccin> people always complain about linux cant do this or that oob but then they dont even see that windows cant do as much as linux oob :(
[06:35] <sax> I've only reinstalled twice, and that's reare
[06:35] <yaccin> bluesceada: it seems!
[06:35] <sax> *rare
[06:35] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: whats even more weird is I take that entire section out of xinetd.conf and its still gives me the same error LOL
[06:35] <yaccin> windows doesnt come with an office suite
[06:35] <yaccin> not with a good music player app
[06:36] <yaccin> or graphics editor
[06:36] <yaccin> etc
[06:36] <binks> no but notepad is great loooool
[06:36] <sax> and can't run KDE!
[06:36] <yaccin> lol
[06:36] <yaccin> sax: it can
[06:36] <yaccin> kde4 will run on windows
[06:36] <yaccin> :)
[06:36] <sax> windows can run KDE?
[06:36] <sax> wow
[06:36] <^2_Fast_4u^> i have Kubuntu and i need winne can someone help me please... ? i don`t know where to find it :((
[06:36] <yaccin> qnd on mac
[06:36] <yaccin> :D
[06:36] <sax> that's amazing... how do you do that?
[06:36] <bluesceada> sax: kde4 ..
[06:36] <yaccin> ^2_Fast_4u^: sudo apt-get install wine
[06:36] <bluesceada> i hope that some killer apps in kde4 will have limited functions
[06:36] <yaccin> sax: i dont know :D
[06:36] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: vsftpd in wait state doesn't take much ram and if it's the only thing you plan on using xinetd for it might actually take less memory than running xinetd
[06:36] <bluesceada> and people will easier jump over to linux
[06:36] <sax> haha
[06:37] <sax> wine is great
[06:37] <yaccin> bluesceada: they should do a 30days testing version
[06:37] <yaccin> :D
[06:37] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: ok, I've isolated it down to the fact of wether is running stand alone or not.  making it stand alone makes everything work.
[06:37] <yaccin> after 30 days: "sorry, please install linux to use this program"
[06:37] <bluesceada> yaccin: hrhr would be really nice :D
[06:37] <bluesceada> just too bad it wont happen
[06:37] <bluesceada> opensource is just too nice to other software
[06:37] <yaccin> yes
[06:37] <yaccin> sometimes its sad
[06:37] <bluesceada> being nice is not always good :(
[06:37] <yaccin> people always complain about opensource software
[06:38] <yaccin> but then they wont pay for cs software
[06:38] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: what else might I put in xinetd??  I'm goig to have sql-ledger, mysql, postgresql, apache, vsftpd, nagios, and some form of backup program
[06:38] <bluesceada> you wont be rewarded for being nice in this world, at least in most aspects
[06:38] <neptunepink> yaccin: but some software is totlaly unavailable on windows. . . .
[06:38] <N6REJ> AMYBE mail
[06:38] <yaccin> neptunepink: thats good :D
[06:38] <N6REJ> s/amybe/maybe
[06:38] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: none of those I think.
[06:38] <N6REJ> lee
[06:38] <neptunepink> like wine X)
[06:38] <N6REJ> k
[06:39] <N6REJ> k, thats fixed LOL
[06:39] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: you don't want sql servers in xinetd because you don't want to have to wait for the sql server to load before it answers a query.
[06:40] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: yeah, that makes sense especially as I'll be using both mysql and postgres alot  ( pg for accounting and mysql for joomla/apache
[06:40] <binks> ok i can cd into my windows rive but cp My\ Documents wont work
[06:40] <binks> drive^
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: xinetd is a good way to start tiny net server apps that won't be under use all the time.
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> binks: cp -R
[06:40] <binks> arr ok
[06:41] <[pyro] > heh, just watched lord of war
[06:41] <[pyro] > not bad
[06:42] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: would you please look ( ok, I'll remember that ) https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/serverguide/C/network-file-system.html and look at the configuration sectioon?  I don't know what I want there especially when you take the mac into account.
[06:42] <LeeJunFan> [pyro] : that the one with nicolas cage?
[06:43] <PhinnFort> LeeJunFan: yup
[06:43] <PhinnFort> afaik there's only one lord of war
[06:43] <N6REJ> yeah, Sun TZU
[06:43] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: I don't see anything there that mentions mac
[06:43] <PhinnFort> the art of war
[06:44] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I know, but what I'm worried about is wife runs panther, and I've got XP on the laptop, and then both xp and *nix here....
[06:44] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: maybe I'm over thinking this?
[06:45] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: keep in mind exporting a dir with *(rw,...) is a very bad idea if your server is to be open to the internet, me (or any other fool :) ) could write to that share.
[06:45] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: the only possible thing my server would touch the net for is to get/send mail and surf
[06:45] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: what I've done on some systems is to use the MAC address in iptables to allow only certain machines to access the rw NFS shares.
[06:46] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: that will suit me perfectly.
[06:46] <N6REJ> I would prefer that for the entire server!  If your not on this side of the router, go the heck away!!!!
[06:46] <MinceR> how can i set the mouse sensitivity (not acceleration) without the GNOME Control Panel? both KDE and xset only seem to offer acceleration
[06:47] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: for instance iptables -A INPUT -m mac --mac-source [mac addy]  -p tcp --dport [nfs port]  -j ACCEPT will allow that mac addy to access NFS on the server, but you also need a rule after that which denies all NFS traffic incoming.
[06:47] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: how do I know what the nfs port is?
[06:48] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: actually, it's probably portmap (111) you want to do that with, NFS ports change.
[06:48] <Skuller> can someone please give me the command used for reconfiguring X?
[06:48] <LeeJunFan> wasn't thinking there :)
[06:48] <Skuller> k never mind
[06:48] <binks> haha managed to copy the dir from windows to my samsung mp3 player lol come on
[06:48] <Arwen> Skuller, vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[06:49] <seanheron> thats to manually (by actually writing) reconfigure
[06:50] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: apparently portmap is not installed?
[06:50] <seanheron> Skuller: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:50] <seanheron> I think
[06:50] <Skuller> Arwen: thats arrite...i got it...actually i wanted the command for reconfiguring X
[06:50] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: nfs = 2049, portmap = 111
[06:50] <Skuller> seanheron: yes...thanks
[06:50] <seanheron> no probs
[06:50] <binks> is there a cmd to tell me the size of a dir inc subfolders
[06:51] <seanheron> I asked the same question here just a month or two ago :D
[06:51] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11871/
[06:52] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: oops, forgot the nfs ports in the paste.
[06:52] <[pyro] > LeeJunFan: yeah thats the one
[06:52] <[pyro] > soz, was away from the computer
[06:52] <N6REJ> lee does this go in the routers iptables
[06:53] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11872/
[06:53] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: yeah, that's for iptables, use your client machine MAC address in place of the one listed there of course.
[06:53] <daftman> hi
[06:54] <daftman> is it possible to downgrade the distro?
[06:54] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: yeah, ok... if those are the only things in the iptables it will still allow everything else for now right?
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: that's from an iptables-save so you'll need to prepend iptables to each line.
[06:54] <daftman> i accidently added in the feisty
[06:54] <daftman> and upgraded my whole computer to feisty beta
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: yes, it only blocks NFS, with the exception of the MAC addresses at the top it will allow.
[06:54] <daftman> but now there are alot of things not working
[06:54] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: ok, let me go do that now.
[06:55] <daftman> is it possible to downgrade the distro?
[06:55] <Arwen> daftman, maybe, but it's not worth it
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> better bet is to fix what doesn't work in feisty now. :)
[06:55] <daftman> Arwen: what do you mean? I keep getting this problem with mdadm
[06:55] <daftman> and apparently it is a major bug with feisty
[06:56] <LeeJunFan> ewe, that's not a fun one to have to live with either.
[06:56] <Arwen> daftman, you can't do an automated downgrade, it's possible if you do it manually, but you'll probably b0rk your install
[06:56] <[pyro] > hehe b0rk b0rk
[06:56] <daftman> Arwen: this is cuased by the upgrade to feisty
[06:56] <LeeJunFan> daftman: depending on if the bug is in mdtools or the kernel, you might just be able to downgrade one or 2 packages to get raid working again.
[06:56] <Arwen> daftman, I know that feisty has bugs, but you kinda accepted that when you dist-upgraded
[06:57] <daftman> Arwen: I didn't
[06:57] <Arwen> lol........
[06:57] <daftman> I just upgrade the packages normal through adept updater
[06:57] <daftman> and one night it decide to upgrade feisty
[06:57] <fdoving> then you have edgy-proposed repository enabled, and you accepted to upgrade.
[06:58] <[pyro] > Arwen: dont you know no-one reads any warnings or anything. Windows has trained everyone to just click Next > Next > Next > untill it says "now your computer is fux0r3d"
[06:58] <daftman> i check I realize I had the "proposed" in my source list
[06:58] <fdoving> that's what edgy-proposed is for.
[06:58] <Arwen> yeah... and daftman, you noticed that it's feisty *beta*?
[06:58] <Arwen> [pyro] , :-\
[06:58] <[pyro] > no he just clicked Next > ;)
[06:58] <daftman> [pyro]  no its automated
[06:58] <daftman> as in cron
[06:58] <LeeJunFan> c'mon everyone, sure he screwed up - but nagging him isn't going to help him any now.
[06:58] <[pyro] > Arwen: its true, better to try and fix your install now
[06:59] <Arwen> daftman, the fact is that you can't downgrade distros using apt, adept, etc
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> like none of us has ever !$!@ up a machine ?:)
[06:59] <[pyro] > daftman: im not having a crack at you, just windows :)
[06:59] <daftman> *sigh*  yea now the problem is that mdadm doesn't work
[06:59] <Arwen> daftman, if you really wanted to try, you'd have to manually install each package.... not worth it
[06:59] <daftman> keep spiting me back to the prompt
[06:59] <daftman> Arwen: yes I understand
[06:59] <Arwen> I suggest reinstalling edgy
[06:59] <N6REJ> ok, this is bogus!  FF is installed but doesn't show up in the menu!
[07:00] <Arwen> daftman, go file a bug so it gets fixed :-)
[07:00] <binks> is there a cmd to tell me the size of a dir inc subfolders
[07:00] <daftman> Arwen: It is already filed
[07:00] <Arwen> well, wait for the fix :-)
[07:00] <N6REJ> !df | binks
[07:00] <ubotu> binks: Graphical representations of where your disk-space is being used are: baobab (GNOME), filelight / kinfocenter (Kubuntu). On the terminal: df -h -T
[07:00] <Arwen> binks, df I guess
[07:00] <binks> cheers daftman | N6REJ
[07:00] <binks> Arwen:
[07:01] <N6REJ> :D
[07:01] <LeeJunFan> daftman: what about downloading mdadm from the repost for edgy and dpkg -i [package]  it should downgrade that one package - hopefully w/o any deps issues.
[07:01] <NDPTAL85> Nice: http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2007/03/feisty-beta-is-out.html
[07:02] <daftman> LeejunFan: do I need mdadm? I mean I only have 1 sata drive
[07:02] <[pyro] > oh, ur not running a raid?
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> daftman: you don't use raid?
[07:02] <daftman> I tried to turn it off as services through "system settings" but it still try to load
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> daftman: apt-get remove mdadm
[07:03] <N6REJ> ok, this darn computer is trying to muck with my head!!! .... firefox is already the newest version. ....... then adept says "firefox not installed".........AAAAAAAAAAHHH
[07:03] <LeeJunFan> you don't need it. I dn't have it on my system.
[07:03] <daftman> LeejunFan, no I don't use raid, Although I have an asus motherboard that has raid
[07:03] <daftman> but I haven't activated it
[07:03] <MinceR> N6REJ: maybe it isn't installed from a package?
[07:03] <LeeJunFan> daftman: you don't need md unless you use raid.
[07:03] <Alonea> dear gods today is a bad day and my computer is not cooperating. Ok, since I was going to reformat my linux and redo it again I though I might as well reput on my xp on the first hdd where it was and where the messed up windows system was too. So I deleted disk, but when you press enter its supposed to take you to a screen that will format it to NTFS yada yada...but its not doing that for...
[07:03] <Alonea> ...me. It says the partition is not windows xp compatable. Did linux do something to it? (btw, linux is happily installed to my second hdd)
[07:03] <daftman> LeejunFan: ok, i'll turn it off> I don't know why it is install though
[07:04] <{Geert> For raid you need 2 s-ata drive`s!
[07:04] <Arwen> {Geert, not really
[07:04] <Arwen> {Geert, you just need a SATA card
[07:04] <N6REJ> maybe but apparently the language file was installed ... go figure.
[07:04] <Arwen> I mean a RAID card
[07:04] <daftman> LeeJunFan, hmm it ask ifI want to remove lvm-common as well
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: windows doesn't understand linux partitions, you need to use linux to remove them.
[07:04] <{Geert> Or more patition`s ofcourse
[07:05] <N6REJ> {Geert: thats not an entirely true story, you can raid with any drive implementation
[07:05] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: but it was never a linux partition in the first place...
[07:05] <daftman> LeeJunFan: Is that bad? removing lvm-common and lvm2???
[07:05] <Arwen> {Geert, you can't RAID partitions.....
[07:05] <Arwen> that's not RAID
[07:05] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: I always had my windows on my first HD, and linux on my second.
[07:05] <LeeJunFan> daftman: not if you didn't setup lvm.
[07:05] <{Geert> thank`s for that info
[07:06] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: I even got it to say the partition is NTFS
[07:06] <daftman> LeeJunFan, I have no idea if I did or not, how do I find out?
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: either way - it wouldn't hurt to use your live CD, and use linux to remove ALL partitions on your HD, then go back to setup windows.
[07:06] <firecrotch> !info openwebmail
[07:06] <ubotu> Package openwebmail does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[07:07] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: well, i am not going to remove my home...all my files are on it and I dont want to redo everything on linux..
[07:07] <N6REJ> {Geert: you can raid SCSI, ide, eide, ( I forget the orignal format ) sata, firewire, what ever, those are simply the protocol's being used to talk to the drive, whats important is that the raid controller must be able to handle that protocol, and the raid type your requesting.
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> daftman: I honestly don't know about lvm, I've never used it. It's probably a safe bet you didn't. Does anyone know if you can tell with mount if a volume is LVM?
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: ah, I see. okay. hrm.
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: you can remove /dev/hda1 and leave it as unpartitioned space though
[07:08] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: I can't remember but there is a lvm manager for kde
[07:08] <daftman> great this is comforting: "
[07:08] <daftman> W: mdadm: I'll update the initramfs, but if you need MD to boot
[07:08] <daftman> W: mdadm: with initramfs, you'll be screwed!
[07:08] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: ok, I will try that. Do I still have to use the live cd for that or can I do this elsewhere?
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> daftman: if you don't use raid then you don't need it.
[07:08] <daftman> yea I know I don't use raid
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: if you can still boot to linux you can just do that.
[07:09] <daftman> ok cross fingers and wait for reboot
[07:09] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: lvm is for more then raid, it allows dynamic allocation of drives
[07:09] <wolferine> morning
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: and use any number of paritioning tools like fdisk,cfdisk, gpart
[07:09] <{Geert> So if i understand it write raid can work olways if you actifade it.
[07:09] <frojnd> hello
[07:09] <frojnd> how can I go to feisty beta?
[07:09] <frojnd> what's the command again
[07:09] <Arwen> !feistyupgrade | frojnd
[07:09] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: ok
[07:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about feistyupgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:09] <N6REJ> {Geert: if your serious about raid I strongly encourage you to read about the different types and styles.
[07:09] <Arwen> ............
[07:10] <BluesKaj> !fiesty
[07:10] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[07:10] <{Geert> Look for feisty beta on #xubuntu
[07:10] <LeeJunFan> if you don't understand raid, a system with data you don't want to lose is not a good place to learn about it.
[07:10] <N6REJ> amen!
[07:11] <N6REJ> 0,1,2,3,4,5 striping, paring, non-striping, its enough to drive you to drink!
[07:11] <LeeJunFan> you need more than 1 HD, they should be identical, although it's not really necessary so long as the partitions you bind to a raid array are the same size across all of them.
[07:11] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan  :>)
[07:11] <LeeJunFan> and if you want raid 5,10, or 01 you're wasting time with anything less than 5 HD's.
[07:11] <{Geert> Oke so i am stuped but i did not start this conversation.
[07:12] <N6REJ> raid is not really designed to increase the size of a drive, though it can be used for that, LVM does that, RAID is for redundancy!
[07:12] <{Geert> And i think we could also be nice to echother, yes.
[07:12] <N6REJ> I'm being nice... just being complete.. .. no rock throwing here.
[07:13] <BluesKaj> Raid is for2 hard drives or more ..
[07:13] <LeeJunFan> raid0 can increase your speed, but at the expense that a HD or FS problem will hose all your data across all partitions belonging to the raid0 array.
[07:13] <{Geert> But I will leave this channel now and get my nolege elsware.
[07:13] <dice14u> excuse me, I have a problem, Im new to using Kubuntu kinda a noob on computers and anyways my wireless card doesn't work
[07:13] <[pyro] > now thats annoying
[07:13] <Arwen> ?
[07:13] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: yeah, but what real good would raid on 2 hd's be?  No really crc or such is there?
[07:13] <SilentM> It doesn't work as in it doesn't just *work* or you've actually looked around within settings?
[07:13] <[pyro] > just spent all afternoon brute forcing a rar password, and i finally get it and the rar file is corrupt :\
[07:14] <N6REJ> dice14u: wireless can be difficult be prepared to read..
[07:14] <Arwen> [pyro] , HAHA
[07:14] <[pyro] > :P
[07:14] <N6REJ> !wireless | dice14u
[07:14] <dice14u> um it says the device is unclaimed
[07:14] <ubotu> dice14u: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:14] <Arwen> [pyro] , you sure you're not just using the open decoder?
[07:14] <[pyro] > Arwen: yeah i probably am
[07:14] <BluesKaj> well, i don't think this person understood the diff between partitons and seperate HDDs
[07:14] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: 2 hd's is still good for raid1 or 0, raid 1 gives you a mirror copy of the master drive, raid 0 stripes your data across both, making your hd throughput faster.
[07:15] <Arwen> [pyro] , apt-get install unrar :-)
[07:15] <[pyro] > Arwen: well i havent changed anything, just using "rar". Ark doesnt seem to support passwords by the look..
[07:15] <N6REJ> BluesKaj:  oic, I missed the very beginning of the thread.
[07:15] <iseit> alo
[07:15] <[pyro] > Arwen: nice :)
[07:15] <Arwen> [pyro] , hmm
[07:15] <laptop> What  is the website for multimedia support?
[07:15] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[07:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:15] <laptop> Thanks
[07:15] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: ok, I know enough about raid to know I don't know nothing!  Other then I've got the hardware to do it.
[07:16] <[pyro] > lol unrar not found in repository
[07:16] <LeeJunFan> Well, I don't see daftman back after removing mdadm :/
[07:16] <[pyro] > spat back an error, not able to find the .deb file
[07:16] <dice14u> I have an atheros wireless card and it doesn't appear within the network settings
[07:16] <N6REJ> you may need ndiswrapper
[07:17] <dice14u> ok the wifi docs do not help
[07:17] <dice14u> thats not the issue
[07:17] <N6REJ> !ndiswrapper | dice14u
[07:17] <ubotu> dice14u: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:17] <SurfPunk> my sound problems are over
[07:17] <N6REJ> grrrrrrrrrr
[07:17] <Arwen> [pyro] , it's multiverse
[07:17] <daskreech2> Arwen: hello :-)
[07:17] <Arwen> dasickis, hello, I know you?
[07:17] <ahlalo_elyon> !info popularity-contest
[07:17] <ubotu> popularity-contest: Vote for your favourite packages automatically. In component main, is standard. Version 1.33ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 212 kB
[07:17] <[pyro] > Arwen: im sure i have that enabled
[07:18] <Arwen> [pyro] , huh
[07:18] <daskreech2> Arwen: it is spyware
[07:18] <daskreech2> but it's optin
[07:18] <[pyro] > Arwen: that repository
[07:18] <daskreech2> Arwen: from windows :-)
[07:18] <Arwen> [pyro] , ah well
[07:18] <Arwen> daskreech2, lolz
[07:18] <dice14u> hey can anyone give me good information?
[07:18] <frojnd> ok friend of mine did install openssh-server
[07:19] <frojnd> but don't know how can I connect to his comp
[07:19] <[pyro] > Arwen: im running and update with --fix-missing
[07:19] <[pyro] > see if that helps
[07:19] <frojnd> ssh -l username IP ?
[07:19] <daskreech2> frojnd: do you have his ip address?
[07:19] <frojnd> yes I have
[07:19] <frojnd> also username and pass
[07:19] <Arwen> [pyro] , ah - you on feisty?
[07:19] <daskreech2> ssh username@ip
[07:19] <[pyro] > Arwen: nope edgy
[07:19] <Arwen> hmm, it appears in multiverse for me
[07:20] <[pyro] > hmm
[07:20] <[pyro] > yeah it appears, but it says the debs not on the server
[07:20] <Arwen> huh, weird
[07:20] <[pyro] > like, i can see it in adept
[07:20] <Arwen> maybe somebody failed?
[07:20] <[pyro] > its in the list
[07:20] <frojnd> daskreech2: when I do: ssh user@ip
[07:20] <Arwen> [pyro] , http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/u/unrar-nonfree/unrar_3.5.4-0.1_i386.deb
[07:20] <Arwen> mirrors are good :-)
[07:20] <frojnd> daskreech2: should there be a request for a pssword?
[07:20] <daskreech2> frojnd: yes
[07:21] <frojnd> hm
[07:21] <frojnd> but there isn't
[07:21] <Arwen> I think unrar is just the freeware version of rar though
[07:21] <daskreech2> the password of user on the box ou are trying to get to
[07:21] <frojnd> it's just blank line
[07:21] <[pyro] > Arwen: it says no file on that server
[07:21] <PasNox> evening all
[07:22] <[pyro] > hey PasNox
[07:22] <frojnd> daskreech2: if there isn't any rquest, what are the possible reasons for that
[07:22] <Arwen> [pyro] , huh, weird
[07:22] <PasNox> i just upgrade from edgy to feisty, and now my wifi connectino don't start itself at boot time, i need to restart networking service to got wifi conencted
[07:22] <daskreech2> frojnd: can't see each other?
[07:22] <[pyro] > Arwen: yeah it is! the file's just been yoinked
[07:22] <daskreech2> other computer not running sshd
[07:22] <Arwen> [pyro] , it was TRANSPORTED o.O
[07:22] <[pyro] > woOoOo
[07:22] <PasNox> btw restarting networking service give me this erreor :RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[07:22] <PasNox> run-parts: /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-autoipd exited with return code 2
[07:22] <PasNox>                                                                          [ OK ] 
[07:23] <PasNox> [pyro] : yes ?
[07:23] <frojnd> daskreech2: sshd automatically starts when the user install openssh-server ??
[07:23] <Arwen> [pyro] , oh wait, unrar is in my apt-cache, I can send it to you if you want
[07:23] <daskreech2> should
[07:23] <frojnd> k
[07:23] <[pyro] > PasNox: i was greeting your greeting. Greetings :)
[07:23] <frojnd> strange
[07:23] <daskreech2> yup
[07:23] <[pyro] > Arwen: sweet, ooh, dcc may not work.. i dont have any ports setup
[07:24] <PasNox> [pyro] : can t understand, sorry my bad english :D
[07:24] <daskreech2> do a sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start
[07:24] <Arwen> [pyro] , only the sender needs ports open, afaik
[07:24] <frojnd> ok..
[07:24] <[pyro] > Arwen: oh yep thats right
[07:24] <dice14u> agh
[07:24] <[pyro] > -:- DCC Unable to open /home/pyro/dcc/unrar_1%3a3.7.3-1~edgy1_i386.deb
[07:24] <[pyro] > hmm
[07:24] <PasNox> anybody already got this error: RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[07:24] <PasNox> run-parts: /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-autoipd exited with return code 2
[07:24] <PasNox>                                                                          [ OK ] 
[07:24] <PasNox>  ?
[07:24] <dice14u> *-network:1 UNCLAIMED
[07:25] <[pyro] > Arwen: hang ill make that dcc dir
[07:25] <[pyro] > Arwen: ok try now :)
[07:25] <PasNox> i have google, but there is only one russian forum speaking about, and i dont read russian
[07:25] <[pyro] > sweet
[07:25] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: sounds like it's adding a route that already exists. maybe you've got 2 interfaces configured for the same IP/network.
[07:25] <Arwen> [pyro] , it didn't FAIL, lol
[07:26] <os1ris> is anyone good at cli setup for wirless with wpa
[07:26] <[pyro] > the wonders of the internet \o/
[07:26] <Arwen> I'm not sure unrar will help your problem, but it's good to have
[07:26] <os1ris> i need help
[07:26] <frojnd> daskreech2 sudo: /etc/init.d/sshd: command not found
[07:26] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: no, i have not, maybe u want i past my conf file on pastbin ?
[07:26] <[pyro] > Arwen: cheers :)
[07:26] <brujo> hello
[07:26] <daskreech2> frojnd: tell the person to sudo apt-get install ssh
[07:27] <os1ris> no its sudo atp-get install ssh openssh
[07:27] <os1ris> i think
[07:27] <Skuller> can anyone help me get my screen size back to normal? it is not fitting my monitor totally in all edges and the border lines of the screen are bent inwards...my refresh rate is 53hz instead of 60
[07:27] <frojnd> daskreech2: ok
[07:28] <brujo> i m loss :( !!! where can speak in spanish??
[07:29] <firecrotch> !es
[07:29] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:29] <Arwen> !es
[07:29] <[pyro] > lol
[07:29] <firecrotch> I win! :P
[07:29] <joyrider> Where does Kontact autosave the calendar HTML file??
[07:29] <dice14u> somebody please help?
[07:30] <dice14u> *-network:1 UNCLAIMED
[07:30] <dice14u> I need that device to work
[07:30] <dice14u> thats what it shows when i do lshw
[07:30] <klerfayt> m'kay I got suspend to disk (aka hirbernate) working with exactly same configuration, except this time swap size was 1GB
[07:30] <os1ris> has anyone set up wifi vioa cli?
[07:30] <os1ris> err via
[07:31] <errno> .
[07:31] <errno> hi all
[07:32] <joyrider> It's the export feature i'm talking about :)
[07:33] <acemo> could anyone help me get my speedstep-centrino to work? i cant modprobe the module - it says it cant find the module-
[07:34] <easytiger> what module
[07:34] <acemo> speedstep-centrino
[07:35] <[pyro] > acemo: what are you trying to do?
[07:35] <acemo> im trying to install speedstep-centrino so the cpu speeds can switch better
[07:35] <acemo> atm, i can only get 1000mhz and 1666mhz(max)
[07:36] <jlund> Is anyone here running Kubuntu on a widescreen monitor?
[07:36] <LeeJunFan> jlund: yes
[07:37] <jlund> LeeJunFan: How do I fix the aspect ratio that Xine uses when it is playing movies. It is playing them as though I am on a 4:3 monitor and the result is everything get stretched.
[07:37] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: I got suspend to disk working with 1gb ram, kinda weird
[07:37] <jlund> Everything else looks fine, except for videos.
[07:37] <MinceR> hm.. apparently i've misunderstood that setting -- it's the acceleration threshold. the trick was probably that i could have <1 acceleration values.
[07:37] <Arwen> jlund, dunno, try using something that's not xine?
[07:37] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: oops, not ram but swap 1gb
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> klerfayt: as long as the ram in use isn't more than available swap it'll be okay.
[07:38] <Alonea> daskreech2: hello over here too
[07:38] <jlund> Arwen: Things that are not Xine, like VLC and mplayer, play the file correctly.
[07:38] <Paco> hey, is there any way to two pannels two diferant colours?
[07:38] <Arwen> jlund, so use them? :-)
[07:38] <LeeJunFan> jlund: I've never had to do anything with mine, but then I haven't really used xine in a while for DVD, I usually use VLC or kaffeine - but kaffeine uses xine to play.
[07:38] <jlund> Arwen: I'll file a bug.
[07:38] <dubbydubby> why won't anyone help me
[07:39] <klerfayt> LeeJunFan: therse must be something else. why did 768swap fail then? (as you said ram in use - but this machine has only 512ram)
[07:39] <jlund> LeeJunFan: I'd be curious to hear your results trying a widescreen aspect ratio movie in both Kaffeine and VLC. See if you can see a difference too.
[07:39] <klerfayt> dubbydubby: what is your problem
[07:39] <LeeJunFan> jlund: just a min, btw you on feisty or edgy?
[07:39] <[pyro] > acemo: i took out all the speedstep stuff and just run mine full speed all the time :)
[07:40] <ceaser> Hey, does anybody know how I can adjust fonts in QT apps WITHOUT having KDE installed?
[07:40] <[pyro] > acemo: i did intend to get around to fixing it but i havent yet :/
[07:40] <jlund> LeeJunFan: Feisty. But I first noticed this problem in Dapper. I should have reported it earlier but I am just now getting the hang of sending proper reports.
[07:40] <Paco> i dont think its possible, but could someone tell me if its possible to have 2 pannels two different colours? im on Kubuntu edgy bt i dnt think thatd make a differance
[07:40] <dubbydubby> klerfayt when i do lshw my network card returns this *-network UNCLAIMED
[07:40] <ceaser> i.e. is there a config file somewhere
[07:40] <dubbydubby> and what command is used to send msgs in red to ppl
[07:40] <dubbydubby> on irc
[07:40] <acemo> [pyro]  the thing im trying to do here, is get it to go slower as the 1000mhz step i can choose now
[07:41] <Arwen> dubbydubby, if you do that, we will hurt you
[07:41] <Paco> lol
[07:41] <acemo> [pyro]  removing speedstep stuff would just be the opposite of what i want ;)
[07:41] <dubbydubby> ...
[07:41] <Paco> i dont think its possible, but could someone tell me if its possible to have 2 pannels two different colours? im on Kubuntu edgy bt i dnt think thatd make a differance
[07:41] <[pyro] > acemo: why would you want to run your machine slower?
[07:41] <klerfayt> dubbydubby: I don't know networking stuff, sorry
[07:42] <dubbydubby> thnx
[07:42] <acemo> [pyro]  laptop, in train
[07:42] <Arwen> Paco, definitely possible, in gnome at least
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> dubbydubby: messages in red?
[07:42] <Arwen> Paco, I think you just configure each of them seperately?
[07:42] <dubbydubby> yes
[07:42] <Paco> can u help me please lol
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> like when someone says your name?  like that last one i sent?
[07:42] <dubbydubby> oh is that all
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> it's highlighting
[07:42] <Paco> ive clicked configure pannels, and i can select colour.....but when i change it it changes all the colours
[07:42] <dubbydubby> ok
[07:43] <dubbydubby> i thought it was a pm system or something
[07:43] <dubbydubby> lol
[07:43] <klerfayt> acemo: install klaptopdaemon, default power manager in edgy eft doesn't let you do much
[07:43] <Arwen> Paco, oh well
[07:43] <daskreech2> frojnd: how goes?
[07:43] <Paco> ive tried configuring them seperatly......but when you get 2 the appearence section u cannot sleect individual pannels
[07:43] <Paco> i know its not important....but i jst....iunno i would like a bit of variation :)
[07:43] <PasNox> please help : http://rafb.net/p/dvjxNd69.html
[07:43] <dubbydubby> Does anyone know how to do networking?
[07:43] <frojnd> daskreech2: stalled: friend of mine is disconnected..
[07:43] <acemo> klerfayt, is the the default in feisty?
[07:43] <dubbydubby> with ubuntu
[07:44] <klerfayt> acemo: you are in feisty?
[07:44] <acemo> klerfayr: yes
[07:44] <klerfayt> acemo: and it doesn't let you use lower frequencies than 1GHz?
[07:45] <jlund> LeeJunFan: How is the movie?
[07:45] <acemo> klerfayt: nope
[07:45] <Paco> hahah what film did u watch in the end :) :P
[07:45] <LeeJunFan> jlund: having problems getting it to play at all in kaffeine.
[07:45] <ubuntu> hello
[07:45] <Paco> im off, thnxs 4 the kinda help :)
[07:46] <Paco> xx
[07:46] <Paco> :$ lol
[07:46] <jlund> LeeJunFan: You may need to install linxine-extracodecs
[07:46] <levi_> Anyone here?
[07:46] <klerfayt> acemo: first of all does your cpu scale lower at all?
[07:46] <kubuntu> does anybody know the problem with usb-storage
[07:46] <frojnd> 25 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 24005m    wht does that mean, that there is no such an IP ??
[07:46] <levi_> Need help installing firefox.
[07:47] <kubuntu> need help live install hangs at loading module usb-storage
[07:47] <LeeJunFan> jlund: odd - it was the move - black hawk down is playing.
[07:47] <frojnd> levi_: sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:48] <levi_> that doesnt work
[07:48] <frojnd> levi_: enable or repositrys in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:48] <frojnd> levi_: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:48] <jlund> LeeJunFan: Good to hear. I am running at 1680x1050. I see a big difference between the aspect ratio of Kaffeine and VLC almost as though Xine thinks I have a 4:3 monitor. Are you seeing the same thing?
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> jlund: aspect ratio is fine with kaffeine and vlc. I'll install xine player and try.
[07:48] <frojnd> remove # before repository, levi_
[07:48] <luke> gust installed kbuntu it peees on vista wow
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> jlund: no, and I'm at the same resolution.
[07:49] <kubuntu> need help live install hangs at loading module usb-storage
[07:50] <BluesKaj> levi reositories start with deb
[07:50] <peetee> i'm trying to install kubuntu but the install hangs at loading the module usb-storage. (i'm not using any usb devices)
[07:50] <BluesKaj> repositories
[07:50] <jlund> LeeJunFan: Doing some research on Google. Can you tell me if your xorg.conf has a ModeLine set? It looks as if it may use that to determine what resolution the monitor is. Why they wouldn't just use the _resolution_ to determine that is beyond me...
[07:50] <LeeJunFan> jlund: xine works too, it starts out with the opening with a normal aspect ratio, then when it switches to the DVD menu/movie the window resizes to accomodate the widescreen playback.
[07:51] <luke> you might have bad cd media
[07:51] <luke> burn it again
[07:51] <levi_> Om a newb to kubuntu as for commands... sorry but PM?
[07:51] <levi_> *Im
[07:51] <peetee> ik checked that. that was ok
[07:51] <LeeJunFan> jlund: no modeline here
[07:51] <levi_> I dont understand what to do excatly
[07:52] <BluesKaj> levi
[07:52] <luke> what usb storage do you have
[07:52] <jlund> LeeJunFan: So you see no difference in the window size between VLC and Xine?
[07:52] <peetee> I don't have any usb storage attached
[07:52] <BluesKaj> levi, in the run command type, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:52] <LeeJunFan> jlund: nope, I wonder if you wipe out your .xine dir and try with default settings?
[07:53] <frojnd> BluesKaj: he/she is levi_ :)
[07:53] <luke> try ubuntu then kbuntu
[07:53] <BluesKaj> oops
[07:53] <LeeJunFan> jlund: I wonder if it could have to do with xv either? if you run xvinfo does it say you have xvid extensions enabled?
[07:53] <levi_> Ok now what?
[07:53] <peetee> ok thanks
[07:53] <BluesKaj> levi_ , in the run command type, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:53] <levi_> Did that
[07:54] <BluesKaj> levi_did a page open with a list of repositories ?
[07:55] <levi_> Yeah. but what line would I edit?
[07:55] <jlund> LeeJunFan: I don't see anything that says xvid in the output. Where should that appear?
[07:55] <peetee> quit
[07:56] <levi_> aside from Wine, I have nothing else installed other than what came with Kubuntu
[07:56] <LeeJunFan> jlund: if you got a ton of output rather than just a message saying no xvid - then it's working.
[07:56] <BluesKaj> the lines begining with deb, that have # in front, delete the # , then save the file and exit , then in the terminal type , sudo apt-get update
[07:56] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: do u check my pastebin ?
[07:56] <levi_> alright
[07:56] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: no, I haven't. sorry - I missed it.
[07:57] <jlund> LeeJunFan: I'm on a fresh install so it can't be the .xine directory either. Can I PM you my email? I would appreciate it if you could send me your xorg.conf.
[07:57] <LeeJunFan> jlund: sure.
[07:57] <LeeJunFan> I can pastebin my xorg too.
[07:57] <[pyro] > nn all :)
[07:57] <levi_> Thanks
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> jlund: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11879/
[07:58] <jlund> LeeJunFan: Thank you. Pastebin is pretty cool. I've never seen that before :)
[07:59] <levi_> try sudo apt-get firefox again?
[07:59] <BluesKaj> yes
[07:59] <scheuri> hi all
[07:59] <levi_> okay its working.
[07:59] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: you have eth0 and eth1 both coming up in the same subnet, so it's trying to add routes twice for the same subnet.
[07:59] <levi_> Thank you BluesKaj
[08:00] <nosrednaekim> scheuri: hello
[08:00] <jlund> LeeJunFan: What model is your ATI card? It looks like you are using the open source driver. Lucky. I have to fight with the Nvidia driver.
[08:00] <BluesKaj> YW, :)
[08:00] <levi_> ..and anyone else I dont remeber that offered help
[08:00] <levi_> xD
[08:00] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: if you need both of them up then you should assign the one that isn't your internet connection with a netmask of 255.255.255.255
[08:00] <LeeJunFan> jlund: radeon 9700
[08:00] <levi_> Wow lots of installing..
[08:01] <levi_> annd theres firefox
[08:01] <levi_> Nice.
[08:01] <Arwen> yes, firefox is written in GTK
[08:01] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: eth1 is normally wlan0 but i don t know why,after upgrading to feissty, it named it eth1
[08:02] <nosrednaekim> PasNox: might be using a different driver?
[08:02] <levi_> *leaves this server*
[08:02] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: my internet conenction is only eth1 so i need to put eth0 with mask of 255.255.255.255 ?
[08:02] <levi_> See you around.
[08:02] <PasNox> nosrednaekim: well under edgy i was needed ndiswrapper
[08:02] <PasNox> no longer need under feisty
[08:02] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: you probably don't need both of them to be active at the same time do you?
[08:03] <nosrednaekim> PasNox: yeah... now you are using the real drivers
[08:03] <nosrednaekim> native linux
[08:03] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: if not comment out the #auto line on the one you don't need.
[08:03] <nosrednaekim> whats your cipset?
[08:03] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: i want, so i con conenct to internet another computer that is conencted to me
[08:03] <PasNox> nosrednaekim: yes, great no fucking lagging ndiswserver ;)
[08:04] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: ahh, I see. so you are using your linux machine as a gateway/router for another computer? If so you should actually use different subnets.
[08:04] <waylandbill> !language | PasNox
[08:04] <ubotu> PasNox: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:04] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: like one should be 192.168.10.x the other 192.168.9.x
[08:04] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: yes
[08:05] <waylandbill> and bridge them
[08:05] <LeeJunFan> well if you bridge them then you actually don't want to assign IP's to either of them.
[08:05] <LeeJunFan> you would assign them 0.0.0.0 and then bring up the bridge and assign the IP to br0
[08:05] <luke> thankyou ubotu
[08:06] <Arwen> ubotu *is* kinda lame :-\
[08:06] <adaptr> actually, you wouldn't assign an IP to anything, period - a transparent bridge just blindly forwards ethernet traffic
[08:06] <Arwen> but still useful
[08:06] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: yeah, but I assume he wants to be able to access the internet from the linux machine.
[08:06] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: this configuration file was working with edgy why it should not work with feisty ?
[08:06] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: oh so the machine is to be a router ?
[08:07] <LeeJunFan> AFAIK
[08:07] <waylandbill> Arwen: I'd convince you different if you did not have your mind made up
[08:07] <PasNox> no no
[08:07] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: then bridging will get him exactly ... nothing
[08:07] <PasNox> the machine is not a rooter
[08:07] <PasNox> but sometimes a computer can come and conencted to me to got internet
[08:07] <hendaus> hiya
[08:07] <adaptr> yeah, that *is* called a router
[08:07] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: well, that's a router :)
[08:07] <hendaus> somebody help me please
[08:08] <adaptr> hendaus: not unless you explain
[08:08] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: by function anyway, it doesn't mean that's all your machine is going to be doing.
[08:08] <hendaus> adaptr,  thanx  i make configure my monitor to turnoff after 20 minutes,after 20 minutes the monitor switch off but the green color still ,coz on windows when switching off the color of the monitor change to orange
[08:08] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: okay, so which one is your internet connection again?
[08:08] <PasNox> wifi eth1
[08:08] <PasNox> eth0 is occosionaly a tooter for another computer
[08:08] <jlund> hendaus: So the screen goes blank, but doesn't go into standby mode?
[08:09] <adaptr> hendaus: then it's blank, and not on standby
[08:09] <hendaus> jlund,  no :<
[08:09] <adaptr> hendaus: I prefer that, myself - its return time is much faster
[08:09] <ppf> alguien sabe espaol  por favor  ayuda
[08:09] <tsdgeos> !es
[08:09] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:09] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: wifi eth1
[08:10] <hendaus> adaptr, what can i do to make standby automatically?
[08:10] <laptop> ?
[08:10] <adaptr> !dpms
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: okay, then leave eth1 alone, and set eth0 to something like 192.168.1.1, enable forwarding and run iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j MASQUERADE, and set the computer behind your linux machine to 192.168.1.X
[08:10] <laptop> reinstall
[08:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dpms - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:10] <laptop> !reinstall
[08:10] <ubotu> To renew the configuration of a package when installing, sudo apt-get remove --purge <package> && sudo apt-get install <package>. Note that you will lose ALL config files for that package. WARNING: This is dangerous, don't do this with core packages
[08:11] <laptop> !format
[08:11] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[08:11] <untouch> hi i have a problem i installed nvidia driver with apt-get install nvidia-glx after this i performed a nvidia-glx-config activate after this i restarted the x server but it doesnt starts anymore
[08:11] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: X being a number between 1 and 254
[08:11] <untouch> sorry for this bad english
[08:11] <laptop> untouch !reinstall
[08:11] <laptop> untouch!reinstall
[08:11] <adaptr> !reinstall | untouch
[08:11] <ubotu> untouch: To renew the configuration of a package when installing, sudo apt-get remove --purge <package> && sudo apt-get install <package>. Note that you will lose ALL config files for that package. WARNING: This is dangerous, don't do this with core packages
[08:11] <untouch> what
[08:11] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: err, not including 1. use 2-254
[08:12] <untouch> ah okay
[08:12] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: why not ? nothing special about .1
[08:12] <CarinArr> untouch: was it a fresh install of nvidia or an update?
[08:12] <untouch> i try this thanks
[08:12] <untouch> CarinArr: fresh
[08:12] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: ok i try and reboot ;)
[08:12] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: well, he'd be using that for the router.
[08:12] <Gandinux> !de
[08:12] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: how do you know ?
[08:12] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:12] <jlund> untouch: I had this happen to me last night. What you need to do is restore your old xorg config.
[08:12] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: because that's what I told him to :)
[08:12] <untouch> where it is
[08:12] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: ah, so you've pegged him as the sheeple type ? :)
[08:12] <untouch> it isnt in the x11 folder
[08:13] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: it was an example.
[08:13] <adaptr> untouch: and that is ?
[08:13] <jlund> untouch: I think it is in /var/backup
[08:13] <untouch> thanks
[08:13] <untouch> i try this
[08:13] <hendaus> jlund,  what can i do to turnoff the green color to orange?
[08:13] <untouch> if it doesnt work i come back :) cya
[08:13] <jlund> untouch: Hang on!
[08:13] <jlund> Shucks. He will be back :)
[08:14] <jlund> hendaus: Where did you make this change?
[08:14] <LeeJunFan> Bridging wouldn't even have worked with his configuration, not with wifi being his internet device.
[08:14] <hendaus> jlund,  on system settings --> display --> power saving
[08:14] <waylandbill> LeeJunFan: oh 802.11? I would not have suggested bridge if I knew that. oops
[08:15] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: bridging will not do what he wants, period
[08:15] <LeeJunFan> waylandbill: yeah, it didn't dawn on me until just now.
[08:15] <jlund> hendaus: What kind of monitor is it?
[08:15] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: it could, so long as theres IP's to be had on the network he's connected to.
[08:16] <untouch> it worked
[08:16] <waylandbill> I guess assumptions end up with just the first 3 letters when not careful. stuff happens
[08:16] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: if not for 802.11 he could setup both nics with 0.0.0.0, then bring up br0 with 192.168.10.10 and set a gateway, etc.. would work okay.
[08:16] <untouch> but now wich driver i shall use ? the sh from nvidia.com ?
[08:16] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: "IP to be had" ? you speak language unfamiliar to me - *unless* he has some form of control about what happens on the *other* network, bridging won't work at. all.
[08:16] <jlund> untouch: So you're back up and running, but not accelerated right?
[08:17] <untouch> jlund: sorry bad english what means accelerated ?
[08:17] <soulrider> hi everyone
[08:17] <adaptr> not to mention the fact that it's universally fuckugly as a solution to anything :)
[08:17] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: right, here comes that nasty assume word again - I assumed he was using a LAN which he had control of the IP/router
[08:17] <jlund> untouch: The Nvidia driver is not working right?
[08:17] <untouch> yes
[08:17] <untouch> right
[08:18] <jlund> untouch: Run 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' from a terminal.
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: it comes in handy on access points and even transparent bridges that you need remote access to.
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> assigning an ip to the bridge that is.
[08:18] <hendaus_> back
[08:18] <hendaus_> jlund,  hp
[08:19] <untouch> done
[08:19] <jlund> untouch: OK, now reboot and come back and tell us if it works :)
[08:19] <untouch> reboot or enogh when i restart x server ?
[08:19] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: if I need access to a transparent bridge - one used, for example, for IDS sniffing - I would assign an IP to a third interface
[08:19] <jlund> untouch: You can try CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE and see what happens. I had to reboot though.
[08:20] <untouch> okay i reboot save ist save ...
[08:20] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: yeah, that'd work nice too but assigning an IP to br0 won't hurt, it's still not going to show up in a traceroute, etc.
[08:21] <adaptr> that's not the issue - I do not want service access to even touch production data streams
[08:21] <adaptr> hence you isolate that access physically
[08:21] <hendaus_> jlund,  any solution?
[08:21] <jlund> hendaus: The way that power saving typically works is when the OS shuts down the display it just stops sending a signal. Then it is up to the monitor to go into standby. That is the way that my Sceptre works anyway. Have you left it idle for a little bit past when the screen turns off?
[08:21] <SagaciousKJB> Could someone please tell me if there is a file in /etc/ I could put my DNS servers in?  The section in System Settings erases every time I restart
[08:22] <soulrider> SagaciousKJB: /etc/hosts
[08:22] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: curious - what's it going to hurt?
[08:22] <hendaus_> jlund,  yes i leave it hours!! and it keeps on green and very hotter
[08:22] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: bandwidth, for one thing
[08:22] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: an ssh session?
[08:22] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: I didn't say it was a big impact
[08:22] <CarinArr> SagaciousKJB: /etc/resolv.conf
[08:22] <yaccin> are the nvidia drivers in feisty broken?
[08:22] <LeeJunFan> if you're remote it's going to have to use bandwidth either way.
[08:23] <untouch> jlund: worked
[08:23] <SagaciousKJB> Hmm
[08:23] <CarinArr> SagaciousKJB: the hosts file you'd have to specify mappings manually
[08:23] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: I'm just curious, I don't see a problem with it - if there is something I've overlooked I like to konw.
[08:23] <LeeJunFan> know
[08:23] <untouch> what is the command to see the fps with glxgears
[08:24] <SagaciousKJB> CarinArr: My hosts are in the host file now, but any time I restart the computer, they get deleted.
[08:24] <SagaciousKJB> Any idea what could be causing that?
[08:24] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: I never said that there's a problem with it - just that I wouldn't do it on a production system that bridges mbits of data
[08:24] <jlund> untouch: Good! glxgears will show the FPS after it stops running.
[08:24] <CarinArr> SagaciousKJB: is everything deleted??
[08:24] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: like anything it depends on the situation. I suppose if it were a security concern your way would have the advantage that maintenance to the system wouldn't be in a logfile or pcap file on the system.
[08:24] <CarinArr> SagaciousKJB: or just your additions
[08:24] <untouch> jlund: kk i try
[08:24] <SagaciousKJB> Just my additions, it appears.
[08:25] <adaptr> LeeJunFan: I fail to see how that would be an advantage
[08:25] <CarinArr> SagaciousKJB: are you trying to add nameservers to /etc/hosts?
[08:25] <CarinArr> SagaciousKJB: or specific ip/hostname pairs
[08:25] <SagaciousKJB> No, not at all.  Just trying to get my DNS server to stop disappearing when I restart. :P
[08:25] <morvok> has anyone successfully rolled the kernal back to a 2.4 on kubuntu stable?
[08:25] <CarinArr> SagaciousKJB: if you want to add dns servers you'd put them in /etc/resolv.conf
[08:26] <SagaciousKJB> I think it's something to do with KDE, because a simple restart of kdm will cause it too.
[08:26] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: well, if it's an IDS and logs traffic you might not want logs of your maint sessions to hold incriminating/useful data if it was ever haxored.
[08:26] <jlund> hendaus: I'm not sure. Your monitor's power management system may not be supported in Linux or it may not have been detected correctly. It seems very strange to me that it would stay on with no signal.
[08:26] <morvok> as far as I know it should work as debian 'sarge' shipped with both the 2,4 stock and 2.6 images.
[08:26] <SagaciousKJB> CarinArr, what I'm saying is that any additions I make (be it manually adding them, or from System Settings > Network Settings > DNS), and then restart KDE, the changes I've made are then gone
[08:27] <jlund> untouch: How fast?
[08:27] <LeeJunFan> adaptr: but then if one system holds data that could help someone gain access to another system anyway, there's other issues to fix.
[08:27] <untouch> jlund: it dosnt stops runnig
[08:27] <CarinArr> SagaciousKJB: okay, i don't know what causes that. but you can try to add them manually in /etc/resolv.conf;)
[08:27] <hendaus_> jlund,  when the first time i install kubuntu,it works fine with the orange color,but now it is working fine :<
[08:27] <CarinArr> SagaciousKJB: i've had problems with network configuration tools in both ubuntu and kubuntu, so i end up configuring the files myself
[08:27] <jlund> untouch: I didn't explain it well. You will see the FPS in the terminal window that you start running it from.
[08:28] <SagaciousKJB> Hmm, well, I don't think it would make a difference.  It says pretty explicitly at the top of the file "#     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN"
[08:28] <hendaus_> jlund,  but now it is not working fine
[08:28] <untouch> yes but i dont see fps ;)
[08:28] <untouch> glxgears is running but no fps
[08:28] <SagaciousKJB> I suppose I will make a post or look around some KDE specific forums
[08:28] <jlund> hendaus: What changed? Any new programs installed or files edited?
[08:28] <SagaciousKJB> As I think it's a KDE thing
[08:29] <jlund> untouch: Are you on edgy?
[08:29] <bregt> hi
[08:29] <bregt> i have a intel onboard gpu
[08:29] <bregt> and i dont know what driver to use
[08:30] <untouch> when edgy not the 6.10 is then not
[08:30] <bregt> kubuntu tells me to use the driver for a 915 thing
[08:30] <hendaus_> looooooool
[08:30] <jlund> untouch: Run 'glxgears -printfps'
[08:30] <untouch> :)
[08:31] <LeeJunFan> WTH kind of yodatalk is that?
[08:31] <untouch> 3610
[08:31] <jlund> untouch: Sounds like it is working!
[08:31] <untouch> whoo 6900
[08:31] <untouch> on suse 2000 wtf
[08:32] <CarinArr> untouch: what graphics card?
[08:32] <bregt> euhm can anyone help?
[08:32] <untouch> nvidia 7300gt
[08:32] <bregt> no
[08:32] <CarinArr> wonder how much beryl affects the fps
[08:32] <bregt> intel 82915G/82910GL Express Chipset Family
[08:32] <jlund> bregt: In what context? In your xorg.conf?
[08:33] <untouch> jlund: thank you :)
[08:33] <bregt> euhm using kcontrol
[08:33] <bregt> i dont know what driver to use
[08:33] <LeeJunFan> CarinArr: it depends on what you've got beryl doing. If you're not moving windows around and such then beryl won't have any effect.
[08:33] <jlund> untouch: You're welcome. I'm glad that it is working. There is a bug that has been submitted to change the instructions to 'nvidia-xconfig' so this shouldn't happen again.
[08:34] <CarinArr> LeeJunFan: doesn't it use the gpu for just simple desktop rendering and stuff as well tho and doesn't that eat memory even when it's static
[08:34] <CarinArr> to some extent
[08:35] <untouch> good
[08:35] <bregt> :(
[08:35] <LeeJunFan> CarinArr: it'll use some memory yeah, but as for FPS I haven't noticed any hit unless I work the gpu/cpu by doing things with beryl to cause it to do some work.
[08:36] <CarinArr> cool
[08:36] <jlund> bregt: i810
[08:37] <bregt> yeah thx
[08:37] <bregt> how did u knew?
[08:37] <c1|freaky> are there any cool prograns i should chrck out? im not using windows on my laptop anymore and im looking for useful programs for all kind of things and of stuff i could use like note taking and much more
[08:37] <c1|freaky> *check
[08:37] <bregt> the serial number was very confusing
[08:38] <frojnd> hello there
[08:38] <jlund> bregt: Most laptops use that chipset so I just did a Google search. Is it working?
[08:38] <auhentai> anybody know if you can run windows programs like yahoo messenger with kubuntu 6.10
[08:38] <frojnd> how can I connect to someone else computer via ssh if that user is not alone in the network -more than one computer use one external IP ???
[08:39] <jlund> c1|freaky: That is a loaded question. There are a lot of cool packages. Is the main thing you are looking for note taking?
[08:39] <BluesKaj> bregt, lspci ...look for your graphics card in the list then find it in system settings/monito&display/admin mode/harware/config
[08:40] <c1|freaky> im jusz looking for a all kind of usefull things ;)
[08:41] <c1|freaky> just good software which is used by many ppl and which is actively developed and improved
[08:41] <jlund> c1|freaky: I use Kontact to take notes. They have a Journal feature in there that works really well. Kontact comes by default with Kubuntu.
[08:42] <c1|freaky> yea i know. theres also basket for notetaking which is just developed for this purpose
[08:42] <jlund> c1|freaky: Games? I love rrootage and Abuse. Both of them are available in 'Add/Remove Software'. Old-school style shooters.
[08:42] <auhentai> i think freaky is useing ubuntu not kubuntu
[08:43] <c1|freaky> im using kubuntu i like kde more
[08:43] <auhentai> ah i see
[08:43] <c1|freaky> are there any good 3d games?
[08:43] <alakhia> I'm installing a package but I get this message from apt-get: Package pine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:43] <jlund> c1|freaky: It would be easier to recommend packages if you gave us a genre to choose from. "Used by many people and actively developed" describes any healthy open source application. :)
[08:43] <c1|freaky> pine
[08:43] <auhentai>  mm hopes that aa full inplamerntaion of wine comes with the next version of kubuntu
[08:44] <alakhia> yes, am trying to install pine
[08:44] <c1|freaky> alakhia: it comes with another package but i cant remember wait a sec
[08:44] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:44] <alakhia> c1|freaky: how can I search?
[08:44] <c1|freaky> alakhia: apt-cache search
[08:45] <c1|freaky> but i did the same and i cant find it
[08:45] <c1|freaky> it comes with some kind of mail program i think
[08:45] <c1|freaky> or something which has to do with something different ... than just editing
[08:45] <steve_> Hi everyone. Could someone help a newbie with a couple of things? The first thing is I'm trying to run kxdocker. It looks like it's trying to start but then nothing happens.
[08:45] <jlund> c1|freaky: Enemy Territory is a good 3d shooter. Tremulous is also a lot of fun.
[08:45] <c1|freaky> but i can't remember was i started using vi/vim a long time ago
[08:45] <chino> dude this computer is telling me that i have a button on my external computer that is disablling my wirelss but its a desktop pc whywould it say this ?
[08:45] <c1|freaky> jlund: is it available with kubuntu packages?
[08:45] <supernix> Hi anyone know much about configuring a ATI 9250 ?
[08:46] <alakhia> c1|freaky: ahh, maybe pinentry-qt ? I'll give it a try
[08:46] <c1|freaky> alakhia: i dont think so
[08:46] <c1|freaky> thats "pin" "entry" not "pine" "ntry"
[08:46] <chino> please help
[08:46] <c1|freaky> oh
[08:47] <jlund> c1|freaky: Yes, both are open source. This is a good resource for games: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open_source_games
[08:47] <alakhia> c1|freaky: oh, silly me
[08:47] <c1|freaky> alakhia:
[08:47] <c1|freaky> Pine cannot be redistributed with modifications without an agreement from the University of Washington so it is not included with Ubuntu.
[08:47] <c1|freaky> You can obtain it from http://http://www.washington.edu/pine/
[08:47] <supernix> I need to find out the correct PCI address for the card so I configure it
[08:47] <c1|freaky> jlund: thanks :)
[08:47] <alakhia> c1|freaky: I thought even non-free packages were in multi-verse (or whatever source it was)
[08:47] <auhentai> any open sorce games for adults ??
[08:48] <alakhia> c1|freaky: I guess there isn't enough demand for it anymore
[08:48] <c1|freaky> not if the above applies alakhia ;)
[08:48] <alakhia> c1|freaky: maybe there is a better way to do this than pine
[08:48] <c1|freaky> alakhia: what do you want to do?
[08:48] <steve_> does anyone know anything about kxdocker?
[08:48] <alakhia> c1|freaky: I have 3 mailboxes with various mails in it ... I need to merge them, delete the duplicates, etc.
[08:49] <c1|freaky> 3 mailboxes local?
[08:49] <jlund> alakhia: What format are the mail boxes?
[08:49] <alakhia> c1|freaky: pine is really cool with that ... I can sort, select stuff, apply
[08:49] <alakhia> c1|freaky: readable by pine ... on my local disk
[08:49] <alakhia> c1|freaky: these are from my school years and I am consolidating my mail
[08:49] <c1|freaky> alakhia: i don't know if mutt can do that, but mutt is one of the mostly used console eMail clients (for local mailboxes)
[08:50] <jlund> alakhia: If they are readable by Pine they are probably readable by Kmail (part of Kontact)
[08:50] <c1|freaky> try mutt and tell me if it does what you need ;D
[08:50] <alakhia> c1|freaky: ok, will give it a try ... thanks!
[08:50] <c1|freaky> no problem. im arround for 10 more minutes ;)
[08:51] <alakhia> c1|freaky: gotta go, take care, will be back in 1 hour
[08:51] <c1|freaky> ok ;)
[08:51] <c1|freaky> maybe im out there
[08:51] <c1|freaky> ull find someone else helping you ;D
[08:51] <alakhia> c1|freaky: yeah, lots of helpful people around ... very cool!
[08:51] <BluesKaj> Kmail is pretty cool ...replaced thunderbird since it quit linking to FF ... dunno what happened but ...Kamail works so...
[08:52] <c1|freaky> yea that's what i like with kubuntu and friends ;D
[08:52] <BluesKaj> er kmail
[08:52] <c1|freaky> BluesKaj: i use thunderbird and it keeps linking to konqueror lol
[08:52] <c1|freaky> i like firefox and thunderbird
[08:52] <c1|freaky> but still, u can disable components in kontact so its np ;D
[08:52] <agws> does anyone know of a hosting program simmular to CPanel, but non commercial?
[08:53] <auhentai> thunderbird isnt how to say vary stabel with ubunt/kubuntu  thats why its best to sitck with the kmail
[08:53] <jlund> I think we all can agree that ANYTHING is better than Evolution though :)
[08:54] <c1|freaky> hm, i dont know im using thunderbird - it didnt crash since im on feisty ... as far as i can remember
[08:54] <BluesKaj> hehe c1|freaky, yeah I tried the fix somebody posted here yesterday . din't work :(
[08:54] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: you have any idea why cups thinks my laserjet 5p is either a canon or an epson??
[08:54] <c1|freaky> :(
[08:55] <c1|freaky> BluesKaj: whats the problem?
[08:55] <supernix> how do I identify the right PCI slot for a device ?
[08:55] <BluesKaj> c1|freaky, when i click on a link in t-bird it doesn't launch anybrowser at all
[08:56] <supernix> trying to configure a ATI card on a Sony Viao Desktop
[08:56] <c1|freaky> supernix: try lspci
[08:56] <untouch_> jlund: i have a little question i must activate some more source for apt get last time i have to activate some
[08:56] <agws> does anyone know of a hosting program simmular to CPanel, but non commercial?
[08:56] <c1|freaky> BluesKaj: it works for me
[08:56] <N6REJ> hmmmm I think I found part of my problem... apparently dist-upgrade didn't upgrade my xubuntu system to 6.1 only 6.06
[08:56] <c1|freaky> BluesKaj: did u search the options for any "default browser" entry?
[08:56] <supernix> so would this be it ?
[08:56] <supernix> 0000:01:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]  (rev 01)
[08:57] <supernix> would that be what I put into the xconfig screen for the pci
[08:57] <supernix> I think everytime I try to leave it blank that it tries to use the built in video instead and fails to boot X server
[08:57] <c1|freaky> supernix: i dont know u can also use lspci -vvv ;D
[08:58] <BluesKaj> well c1|freaky, kmail works , so I guess I'll stick with it til somebody ealse has the problem and is able to solve it ... I asked about it here several times in the last week but no one seems to have an answer.
[08:58] <jhutchins> supernix: Can you not tell from that what video card you have?
[08:58] <c1|freaky> can't help you there didn't do much with hardware yet. X always worked out of the box with kubuntu just debian didnt
[08:58] <c1|freaky> BluesKaj: wait a second
[08:58] <supernix> it is the ATI 9250
[08:59] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Problem with kmail or with thunderbird?
[08:59] <supernix> installed on a Sony Viao desktop
[08:59] <daemon_nio> ciao
[08:59] <BluesKaj> thunderbird , jhutchins
[08:59] <BluesKaj> kmails works fine
[09:00] <c1|freaky> BluesKaj: nm can't find anything
[09:00] <c1|freaky> *in the options
[09:00] <supernix> did you see the above info jhutchins ?
[09:01] <agws> does anyone know of a hosting program simmular to CPanel, but non commercial?
[09:01] <supernix> the xconf is asking for information in the form oc PCI:0:2:0
[09:01] <supernix> nothing matches that in the output though
[09:02] <supernix> I do see this however 0000:01:0a.0
[09:02] <supernix> would that be more appropriate
[09:02] <supernix> ?
[09:03] <jhutchins> supernix: try lspci.
[09:03] <[Naigovan] > when I used Radeon 9250 i've just accepted default value given by 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:03] <c1|freaky> i allready told him lol
[09:03] <c1|freaky> to use lscpi
[09:03] <[Naigovan] > It was on my desktop though
[09:04] <steve_> I could still use some help using kxdocker if anyone knows anything about it
[09:04] <jhutchins> supernix: lspci gives this form my AGP: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] 
[09:05] <BluesKaj> c1|freaky, jhutchins , I can tell you that I had to roll back my  /etc/X11/xorgconf.  file to a date that worked. After estoring X , that's when Thunderbird stopped linking to FF ... but I had been using thunderbird successfully previous to the rollback so it could just be coinicidence.
[09:05] <jhutchins> I think that would be PCI:1:0:0
[09:06] <[Naigovan] > Radeon 9250 sucks anyway so I've gon an nVidia card now -)))
[09:06] <jhutchins> supernix: What program is asking you for this?
[09:06] <c1|freaky> brb ;)
[09:06] <chino> the grub boot loader has 2 kernells showing up adn the default one "the newer one" doesn't have support for my wireless card how do i setup grub to pick the old one and perhaps unisntall the old kernel
[09:07] <jhutchins> If it doesn't talk, we eats it.
[09:07] <jhutchins> chino: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:07] <supernix> i got it from running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:08] <supernix> it started asking me all these different questions
[09:09] <c1|freaky> chino: you can look at /boot/grub/menu.lst and select the default entry which should be booted. also you could use "save-default" which would always boot the last entry you booted if u dont choose something else within a time period. u can uninstall the other kernel but i wouldnt do that.
[09:10] <racookier> how to speed up local networking??
[09:11] <untouch_> with wich command can i install a downloadet .dep package ?
[09:11] <[Naigovan] > dpkg -i <package_name.deb>
[09:12] <[Naigovan] > sudo dpkg -i <package_name.deb>
[09:12] <[Naigovan] > of course
[09:12] <racookier> sombody knows how to speed up local networking??
[09:12] <fdoving> .. you can also rightclick on it in konqueror.
[09:13] <untouch_> [Naigovan] :  thanks
[09:13] <chino> c1|freaky: yea but if it upgrades the kernel again its gonna change teh default again or the default wont point at the same one
[09:13] <chino> thats not cool
[09:13] <jhutchins> racookier: Turn off ipv6
[09:13] <[Naigovan] > untouch_:  -)
[09:14] <racookier> turn off ipv6 ok will try ....
[09:14] <jhutchins> chino: Would you like to tell it not to upgrade the kernel until you let it?
[09:14] <chino> yes
[09:15] <chino> and i would like for it to allways pick the one i pick
[09:15] <chino> this isn't my pc its my freinds pc and i cant have it changing things
[09:15] <jhutchins> k, hang on and let me find something...
[09:18] <jhutchins> chino: Ok, sorry, no quick fix.  There is a way to tell it to exclude a certain pattern of files from auto-updates, but I don't know what it is.
[09:18] <c1|freaky> chino: then you can put the default one above the automagically genereted part of the menu.lst and set 1 as default entry - even when a new kernel is installed the first kernel will be the one u define outside of the automatic generated part of the file ;)
[09:18] <c1|freaky> chino: there are comments telling you what part is automatically generated
[09:19] <chino> ok thanks
[09:19] <LL_Hakaisou> !DVD
[09:19] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:19] <yaccin>  when i try to install nvidia-glx, apt installs nvidia-glx-legacy, why?
[09:20] <martalli> !beryl
[09:20] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:20] <N6REJ> can someone help me get a printer working in xubuntu?
[09:20] <c1|freaky> can beryl work without AIGLX?
[09:20] <yaccin> c1|freaky: if you have an nvidia card
[09:20] <yaccin> or use xgl
[09:20] <yaccin> yes
[09:20] <[Naigovan] > c1|freaky: yes nVidia
[09:20] <[Naigovan] > -)
[09:21] <chino> after i change teh settings in the grub file do i have to run a grub command like i do in lillo
[09:21] <c1|freaky> how can i use XGL?
[09:21] <c1|freaky> with SuSE beryl worked with my ATI
[09:21] <c1|freaky> in kubuntu it doesnt
[09:21] <[Naigovan] > c1|freaky: suao apt-get install xserver-xgl -))
[09:21] <c1|freaky> beryl-manager starts but ... i cant switch to beryl as window manager
[09:22] <[Naigovan] > Xgl starts ok?
[09:23] <jhutchins> c1|freaky: I thought suse used compiz?
[09:24] <jhutchins> !beryl | c1|freaky
[09:24] <ubotu> c1|freaky: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:25] <ricardoipn> Hola
[09:26] <ricardoipn> que tal?
[09:26] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: sorry, got called away to #launchpad, I have no idea why your printer would come up like that. But you should be able to tell it whatever printer you have and override it.
[09:27] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: should I pick one and override it or what?  One of the choices is windows samba printer, and I'm wondering if thats not the correct one?
[09:27] <DaSkreech> !es | ricardoipn
[09:27] <ubotu> ricardoipn: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:28] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: so the printer you are trying to print to from linux is actually a printer shared on a windows machine?
[09:28] <N6REJ> !pastebin
[09:28] <martalli> ubuntu has a program in feisty to start the compiz desktop effects (called "desktop effects").  Does kubuntu have a similar utility?  I can't seem to find it on this fresh install
[09:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:28] <maxi_> have someday experience in this notebook?  http://www.transtec.de/D/D/products/personal_computer/notebooks/levio_550.html
[09:28] <LL_Hakaisou> !MIT xV
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mit xv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <N6REJ> no, its physically on the server connected to the parrallel port "lpt1" if this was dos
[09:29] <zorglu_> !java
[09:29] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[09:29] <martalli> !compiz
[09:29] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:29] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11889/
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: you should set it to the right printer driver that matches your printer.
[09:29] <thompa> hi, I increased my ram from 512 to 2g , its still using about 385M, is that right?
[09:30] <fdoving> thompa: sounds normal.
[09:30] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: oh, that's normal.
[09:30] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: cups alwuys shows that even if you don't have anything connected to lp0.
[09:30] <thompa> fdoving: sorry if i sound stupid, so whats the point of adding ram
[09:31] <ricardoipn> alguien sabe como puedo encontrar gcc en kubuntu?
[09:31] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: change which one lpt1 or lpt0?
[09:31] <N6REJ> thompa: yep
[09:31] <fdoving> thompa: you can work with more applications at once, and you take the memory peaks without swapping.
[09:31] <thompa> fdoving: its on a macbook,
[09:31] <kyokushin> yo
[09:31] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: oh ok.
[09:31] <LeeJunFan> thompa: most modern OS'es [including linux and vista]  will use your extra ram for disk buffering.
[09:31] <N6REJ> lpt1 it is
[09:31] <thompa> fdoving: thanks, so should i see it go up in system monitor?
[09:32] <thompa> ive got tons of stuff running but it says 385M
[09:32] <kyokushin> Where am I?
[09:32] <LeeJunFan> thompa: so having more ram - even if you don't use it for running applications will help speed up your system, for instance if you load open office it pulls it into disk buffer in RAM, then you quit and load it later it doesn't have to load it from HD because it's stored in RAM.
[09:32] <firecrotch> kyokushin: #kubuntu
[09:32] <kyokushin> thanks...
[09:32] <thompa> LeeJunFan: oh ok ,
[09:33] <kyokushin> I'm from Poland, sorry.
[09:33] <thompa> LeeJunFan: i heard that once, so i wont really see anything in system monitor
[09:33] <thompa> LeeJunFan: im just wondering if i needed the extra 1.5G, it does seem faster in linux, cant tell any change in osx yet
[09:34] <funky_D> /server irc.freenode.net
[09:34] <CarinArr> you should definitely notice a difference if you try doing anything remotely demanding
[09:34] <LeeJunFan> thompa: probably not "needed", but it will help.
[09:34] <CarinArr> the less swap you have to use the better
[09:34] <LeeJunFan> thompa: if you run "free" on the command line it will show how much ram is used by the system, how much is used by disk buffers.
[09:36] <rolando_> hi
[09:36] <thompa> LeeJunFan: thanks so much, by the way feisty is working well on intel macbook, even got wireless
[09:36] <rolando_> when i install g++
[09:36] <LeeJunFan> I run a lot of stuff, including XP in vmware, with 1Gig I never swap.
[09:36] <rolando_> where are all those files that i use when #include <file>?
[09:36] <LeeJunFan> rolando_: /usr/include
[09:36] <rolando_> thanx LeeJunFan
[09:36] <CarinArr> heh
[09:37] <LeeJunFan> rolando_: unless it's #include "file", if it's quoted then it should be found in the same path as the source you're compiling.
[09:37] <thompa> LeeJunFan: it says 379032 for buffer, guess thats about 400M
[09:38] <LeeJunFan> CarinArr: heh, yeah. once in a great while I'll have X run away with ram if some buggy 3D is run.
[09:38] <rolando_> im looking for set, from the standard template library
[09:38] <CarinArr> i'm beta testing this 3d software, and once in a whie it goes completely insane
[09:38] <animimotus> hi
[09:38] <CarinArr> and eats absolutely every resource of my ssytem
[09:38] <rolando_> found it thanx
[09:38] <animimotus> I have a tar problem
[09:39] <animimotus> tar xzvf *.tar.gz doesn't work cause I have space in the tar name, " " don't work more
[09:39] <animimotus> antiquote don't work too
[09:39] <CarinArr> rolando_: you're probably better off asking in ##c++
[09:39] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: escape the space with a \ before it.
[09:39] <CarinArr> rolando_: if i recall correctly set isn't actually included
[09:39] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: or put quotes around the filename
[09:39] <rolando_> im there but they dont listen much
[09:40] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: I must use a wilcard
[09:40] <CarinArr> rolando_: aye.. that is a problem;)
[09:40] <rolando_> i found a set file but i dont think that is the real implementation is very short
[09:40] <animimotus> tar xzvf "*.tar.gz" doesn't work too
[09:40] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: find . -name "*" -exec tar xfvz "{}" \;
[09:40] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: find . -name "*.tar.gz" -exec tar xfvz "{}" \;
[09:41] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: nice idea
[09:41] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: and to extract the tar a subfolder, but in his folder ?
[09:42] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: in fact it was the complete command I search since one hour ^^
[09:42] <fdoving> you can also use a for loop, for i in *.tar.gz;do tar -zxvf $i;done
[09:42] <fdoving> if it's all in one dir.
[09:42] <sub> hello, i installed the nvidia graphics driver.. but i have to reinstall it every time i restart the system,.. i get some error the driver version doesnt match the kernel v
[09:43] <animimotus> I note it too in my tomboy ^^
[09:43] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: give me an example - where do you want the tar extracted to?
[09:43] <lillen3> Hi there *buntu people .. /me here and drinking some beer.. wondering were i can chang that my usb external hd 250g mounts in read only..
[09:43] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: make a "extract here" in command line recursively
[09:44] <lillen3> should i rune maby a chekdisk or so?
[09:44] <DaSkreech> lillen3: What file system is on it?
[09:44] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: so for every tar file you want to be asked where to extract to?
[09:44] <lillen3> kubuntu 6.10
[09:45] <DaSkreech> lillen3: Umm I guess that's ext3?
[09:45] <wolferine> i am having filesystem issues, I have a loop when copying files
[09:45] <lillen3> ntfs
[09:45] <wolferine> df -h:
[09:45] <wolferine> /dev/sda6             216G  215G  702M 100% /home
[09:45] <DaSkreech> lillen3: You know ntfs write is experimental right?
[09:45] <wolferine> /dev/hda5             276G   16G  246G   6% /media/hda5
[09:46] <wolferine> when I copy from /home/ftp onto /media/hda5/ftp it ends up sending it to the /dev/sda6 drive not the /dev/hda5 (/media/hda5)
[09:46] <lillen3> h.. how do i convert to ext3 ?  but in windows there be like happy hours.. to axess ext3
[09:46] <DaSkreech> !ntfs | lillen3
[09:46] <ubotu> lillen3: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:47] <wolferine> fstab is at: http://pastebin.ca/408440
[09:47] <lillen3> The little wierd thing that it worked fine before in linux mint and kubunt.. after i drink beer..
[09:48] <jhutchins> wolferine What command are you using to copy?
[09:48] <wolferine> in nautilis as sudo
[09:49] <lillen3> it dont work after beerdrinking..  will try to tomorrow.. thanx DaSkreech and ubotu..
[09:49] <DaSkreech> thank you ubotu
[09:49] <DaSkreech> [Naigovan] : free as in?
[09:50] <renewip> hi everyone, I have a question
[09:50] <jhutchins> wolferine: Ok, I think you should sudo mkdir /mnt/hda5 && sudo umount /media/hda5  && sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5, then use rsync to copy.
[09:50] <jhutchins> I think /media is a false location.
[09:50] <bxnp> is there away to run osX with vmware on linux
[09:50] <[Naigovan] > -))))
[09:50] <renewip> How about Kubuntu performance on Feisty 7.04?
[09:50] <wolferine> so re-establish the mount?
[09:50] <aramayo> OoLa
[09:50] <animimotus> [21:44]  <LeeJunFan> animimotus: so for every tar file you want to be asked where to extract to? <------- no, un auto extraction in the subfolder where the tar is found
[09:51] <jhutchins> wolferine: Yes.
[09:51] <mervteck> whats so great about feisty anyways?
[09:51] <jhutchins> wolferine: But re-mount it to /mnt/hda5 instead of /media.
[09:51] <wolferine> oh?
[09:51] <jhutchins> wolferine: I suspect /media of being some sort of udev trickery.
[09:52] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: that's the standard for tar, if you untar it it'll untar to the current dir.
[09:52] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: oh, you mean if you have tarchives that are in a subdir of the dir you run the command in?
[09:52] <DaSkreech> renewip: highly doubt it
[09:52] <wolferine> thanks jhutchins ill give it a try
[09:52] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: yes the current dir you are, but not in the dir where the tar is
[09:53] <Lecter> Halo, kto tu mwi po polsku?
[09:53] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: yes cause I use un find, he can detect tar in subfolders
[09:53] <animimotus> s/un/a/
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: right, true. Well easiest is to not do that - use -maxdepth 1 with find :)
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> sry
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> or use the for file in * method.
[09:54] <jhutchins> wolferine: Also, use mv, cp, or rsync to copy.  man rsync has examples.
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> for file in *.tar.gz ; do tar xfvz "${file}" ; done
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: ^^
[09:55] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: the tar can have a - C .  no ?
[09:55] <jhutchins> CLI utilities will have less chance of getting caught by unknown GUI shortcuts.
[09:55] <wolferine> and edit my fstab?
[09:55] <jhutchins> animimotus: man tar will tell you that.
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: yeah, but getting find to feed it the directory it finds the file in is a bit tougher.
[09:55] <jhutchins> wolferine: If you want.
[09:55] <wolferine> well, i should, the sudo mount dont do it, right?
[09:56] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: you got another second?
[09:56] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: yeah.
[09:56] <animimotus> jhutchins: Jesus said my -C . or man tar ? :)
[09:57] <N6REJ> I'm trying to configure kde now to use the printer on the server.  What option do I choose?
[09:57] <animimotus> s/my/me/
[09:57] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: so the printer is connected directly to the machine you're running KDE on?
[09:57] <N6REJ> nope on the server
[09:58] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: hrm, it's been a while since I played with cups sharing. :)
[09:58] <N6REJ> it has a cups option
[09:59] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: there's network printer, cups remote, etc etccc
[09:59] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: cups
[09:59] <N6REJ> k
[10:00] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan:  I need to do something so that the computers can find the server by servername instead of dhcp all the tie.
[10:01] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: I just don't know if ubuntu's cups default setup has anything that would block you from accessing the printer on the server by default. Used to be that the default settings would announce and browse printers by default - I think that much has changed.
[10:01] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: yes they have and I told it to allow browsing
[10:01] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: but I have  suspcion its hardcoded
[10:02] <rob-west> waylandbill:
[10:02] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: yeah, the server should have a static IP. Then if you need to you can edit /etc/hosts to assign names to your internal IP's.
[10:02] <lillen3> Well lession today.. dont drink and play with usbhard drive.. it may be unwriteuble after some beers..  evil beers
[10:02] <lillen3> Have a nice day othe there
[10:02] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: ok, I need to backkup and do that step then.  I guess I'll just assign it an ip outside the dhcp pool?
[10:03] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: yeah, that's easiest.
[10:03] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: it'll take me a second
[10:03] <Gandinux> TOOOOR!
[10:04] <chino> how do i setup the network settings to never over write the resolve.conf ?
[10:05] <DaSkreech> !pl
[10:05] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[10:05] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: find . -name "*.tar.gz" -exec tar xfvz {} -C . \;     <------- it works not yet ^^
[10:06] <animimotus> I'm near
[10:06] <Arwen> animimotus, you need more escape characters "\"
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> chino: what I've done is to change my scripts in /etc/network/interfaces to add a post-up line to copy a backup of /etc/resolv.con.bak to /etc/resolv.conf
[10:07] <chino> why ?
[10:07] <chino> i know debian has a way to not overwrite the resolve
[10:07] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: yeah, -C needs a destination - like tar xfvz -C [destination dir]  [tarfile] 
[10:07] <rob-west> could someone help me get my saitek gamepad working in kubuntu
[10:07] <animimotus> Arwen: ?
[10:07] <Arwen> animimotus, like I said, after "{". you should stick a "\"
[10:08] <Arwen> same with "}"
[10:08] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: the simple . is not the real path
[10:08] <Arwen> animimotus, oh wait, scratch that, before I meant
[10:08] <frojnd> is there any other package for java to install couse sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-plugin  DON't WORK ??
[10:08] <frojnd> couse = cause
[10:08] <LeeJunFan> animimotus: not the path to where the tarfile would be found, but the dir where you are running the command from.
[10:08] <DaSkreech> frojnd: How goes?
[10:09] <animimotus> Arwen: {]  \ ; always finish the -exec in a find command if I have well understand
[10:09] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: yes
[10:09] <frojnd> DaSkreech: we figure it out that other user has ROUTER, and he can't connect to router to forward port 22 !
[10:09] <red22> i know some ppl have tutorials for booting damn small and other distros from usb drives... i tried similar steps (with no luck) to try to install kubuntu from a usb drive.  is this possible?
[10:10] <red22> i don't want to run kubuntu from usb, just install it from there instead of from a cdrom.
[10:11] <DaSkreech> frojnd: He can't connect to the router?
[10:11] <DaSkreech> How does that work?
[10:11] <frojnd> DaSkreech: u know 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 ...
[10:11] <frojnd> in konqueror
[10:11] <DaSkreech> frojnd: tried telnet?
[10:12] <DaSkreech> He knows the ip address?
[10:12] <eagles0513875> j/w could my open gl issus be dues to having the mbr intertwined with the windows mbr somehow
[10:12] <eagles0513875> since i shrank my windows partition
[10:13] <eagles0513875> before i decided to reinstall kubuntu
[10:13] <frojnd> DaSkreech: how can I connect via telnet, does he has any special packages installed? like here with ssh: ssh and openssh-server ??
[10:13] <lillen3> Hehe.. Have a nice day people and i have write access to my usb hd ntfs..
[10:13] <frojnd> DaSkreech: I am trying to connect on his box
[10:13] <DaSkreech> lillen3: grat
[10:13] <eagles0513875> :)
[10:13] <eagles0513875> lil
[10:13] <eagles0513875> did u use ntfs-3g how did u get it to work
[10:13] <DaSkreech> frojnd: No I'm saying he may not have aHTML web server on his router
[10:13] <lillen3> one more beer and i did a new mount
[10:14] <DaSkreech> frojnd: Pretty damn likely that telnet will work if ti supports port forwarding
[10:14] <eagles0513875> dask could my open gl problems that i was having been related to me installing kubuntu after i shrank my windows partition
[10:14] <frojnd> DaSkreech: I know, but he must somehow connect to the router, any ideas
[10:14] <eagles0513875> whats the gateway address fro
[10:14] <lillen3> hehe... have a nice day boys and girls..  one beer on the way.... thancks all for been here and chatting
[10:15] <DaSkreech> eagles0513875: huh?
[10:15] <eagles0513875> cuz that is the ip address of the router
[10:15] <DaSkreech> frojnd: I just told you my idea use telent to connect to it
[10:15] <eagles0513875> and he must be typing that into a web browser
[10:15] <eagles0513875> to use the web based router interface
[10:15] <frojnd> DaSkreech: how if he can port forward? ( telnet user@IP) ?
[10:16] <DaSkreech> frojnd: listen to what I am saying
[10:16] <eagles0513875> ill shut up now
[10:16] <DaSkreech> frojnd: He can try to telnet into the router
[10:16] <animimotus> LeeJunFan: no more idea?
[10:16] <DaSkreech> because it may not have a html front end
[10:16] <frojnd> DaSkreech: oooh
[10:16] <frojnd> DaSkreech: how can he try that?
[10:16] <DaSkreech> telnet ip-address
[10:17] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: do I use "example.com" as the domain name? or should I burn one of my real domain names?
[10:17] <frojnd> DaSkreech: and than what will happen?
[10:17] <DaSkreech> As bonus he can call himself a doorstep geek
[10:17] <DaSkreech> frojnd: it will ask him for a username and password
[10:17] <DaSkreech> then he can type help and from there it should be easy
[10:17] <Gandinux> SCHEISSE
[10:18] <SilentM> WAS? WAS?
[10:18] <red22> is it possible to install kubuntu from a usb flash drive instead of from cd?  anyone pls know?
[10:18] <eagles0513875> that would be kool red
[10:19] <tomek__> hello
[10:19] <eagles0513875> is it possible to boot off a usb flash once u turn the comp on
[10:19] <red22> yeah
[10:19] <tomek__> yes
[10:19] <red22> ppl have installed k/ubuntu on their usb drives and boot from it
[10:19] <tomek__> i was read about it
[10:19] <red22> i can boot from my usb too, but the install doesn't seem to be happy about it
[10:20] <eagles0513875> what kind of flash drive is it
[10:20] <polly1> Anyone familiar with samba?
[10:20] <red22> someone has step by step guide to install damn small linux that way, but i use/want kubuntu
[10:20] <polly1> I can see my windows drive but I can't see inside directories like "program files"
[10:21] <red22> i saw some other user post he had the same error when installing ubuntu from his usb drive
[10:21] <bassa> windows firewall ?
[10:21] <red22> eagles: ocz usb drive
[10:21] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:21] <eagles0513875> doesnt it automatically mount it
[10:22] <polly1> Anyone have samba setup?
[10:22] <polly1> Did you have to make many changes to the config to get it working?
[10:22] <eagles0513875> red i wish i could be of more help but im still reletivly new to kubuntu
[10:22] <eagles0513875> u shouldnt polly
[10:22] <chino> i need to setup the networking to not over write teh /etc/resolve.conf!!
[10:22] <red22> kinda. you have to manually feed the startup line to the bootloader when you start up.
[10:23] <eagles0513875> when i set it up in suse no changes to config were necessary
[10:23] <polly1> Uggg....
[10:23] <polly1> When I go to connect to some folder with samba I get a name and password prompt but nothing works for name or password
[10:23] <polly1> Any ideas?
[10:23] <soulrider> !samba
[10:23] <red22> eagles: np man, thanks for trying.
[10:23] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:24] <eagles0513875> polly make sure ive used samba before u also have to make sure the windows firewall isnt up
[10:24] <bxnp> hy polly1
[10:24] <eagles0513875> cuz u wont be able to see the linux machine
[10:24] <polly1> eagles0513875: Don't you just have to have the firewall set to allow network connections?
[10:24] <eagles0513875> is ti worth trying any of the feisty betas
[10:24] <eagles0513875> i tried that polly and yet it still wouldnt work for me
[10:25] <eagles0513875> brb polly just finished reinstalling kubuntu
[10:25] <eagles0513875> brb
[10:25] <polly1> eagles0513875: That doesn't sounds right.  I doubt samba would be so popular if people had to leave windows naked.
[10:25] <polly1> eagles0513875: Ok.
[10:25] <eagles0513875> ill c what i can do to help ya when i reboot
[10:25] <eagles0513875> brb all
[10:27] <yugonzal> jhjh
[10:28] <DaSkreech> klkl
[10:30] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: you there?
[10:30] <eagles0513875> polly im back
[10:30] <bxnp> polly1: you where a red hat user right
[10:31] <polly1> eagles0513875: Were we talking about k3b and disk burning a week ago?  I was attampting to get it working using two drives.
[10:31] <eagles0513875> is it worth upgrading to the feisty beta
[10:31] <polly1> bxnp: No.  I'm using kubuntu
[10:31] <bxnp> but in the past you where right
[10:31] <eagles0513875> any lucky polly
[10:31] <polly1> bxnp: no
[10:32] <bxnp> oke wrong call then
[10:32] <bxnp> i am confused you with somebody else
[10:32] <polly1> eagles0513875: With the k3b it I got the two drives working by setting master and slave rather then using cable select.
[10:32] <eagles0513875> kool
[10:32] <N6REJ> can someone help me with my /etc/hosts file I've got something not right
[10:32] <eagles0513875> im rather frustrated with ati and open gl
[10:32] <polly1> eagles0513875: With samba no luck.  I'm checking my guarddog settings.
[10:33] <DaSkreech> N6REJ: sup?
[10:33] <eagles0513875> i just did a clean install getting rind of my windows partition hoping that had something to do with it
[10:33] <eagles0513875> since i shank my windows partition and then installed kubuntu
[10:33] <eagles0513875> ahhhhhhhhhhh i hate ati
[10:33] <N6REJ> DaSkreech: I think I've got it missconfigured because its not pinging as the ip I told it to be.  whats the pastbin uri and I'll show you.
[10:33] <DaSkreech> !paste
[10:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:34] <chino> LeeJunFan:  can you show me how you did that ?
[10:34] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: I'm back. you don't even need to use a domain, just hostnames will work.
[10:34] <eagles0513875> ive tried everythign to get open gl to work the proprietary drivers r no luck the ones from ati r no luck
[10:34] <eagles0513875> i dont know what else to do
[10:35] <DaSkreech> eagles0513875: ask in #ubuntu-effects
[10:35] <LeeJunFan> chino: under your interface listing just add post-up cp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf   --- where resolv.conf.back is a copy of resolv.conf the way you want it.
[10:35] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:35] <chino> LeeJunFan:  can you give me teh script you ran and the line in the interfaces
[10:35] <Gandinux> 2:1 ...<Ende> *Prost*
[10:35] <LeeJunFan> chino:  then every time the interface is done coming up it replaces the resolv.conf with the version you want.
[10:35] <chino> yes i know
[10:35] <chino> but this is so stupid
[10:35] <Kiefer> any one having issues with wireless cards with fiesty beta?
[10:35] <chino> there should be a way to tell the dhcp to not change the resolve
[10:35] <Kiefer> in edgy ndiswrapper works fine
[10:36] <Kiefer> but after upgrading to fiesty beta
[10:36] <Kiefer> lights don't come on to the card
[10:36] <Kiefer> ndiswrapper loads the driver with no problems
[10:36] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, are you trying for DRI on ATI ?
[10:36] <eagles0513875> yes
[10:36] <Kiefer> ndiswrapper -l shows that driver is present and so is hardware
[10:36] <eagles0513875> and also mesa gl which is indirect
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> chino: or you could edit /sbin/dhclient-script and tell it not to mess with resolv.conf any more.
[10:36] <BluesKaj> have you checked this site ?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[10:37] <eagles0513875> yes i have blue
[10:37] <Kiefer> but lights don't come on and iwconfig shows no wireless devices
[10:37] <chino> LeeJunFan:  yes there should be a reliable way to tell it to not do it i know dhcp programs offer that option
[10:37] <Kiefer> dmesg shows ndiswrapper loading fine
[10:37] <N6REJ> DaSkreech: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11908/
[10:37] <kshinda> Hey, I was thinking of grabbing this video card: http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10083323&catid=10524, and was wondering how well it would work (driver support etc.) with kubuntu.
[10:37] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875,  you have to DL the ATI drivers from the their site first
[10:37] <Kiefer> removing and connecting wireless card shows that card one is inserted in dmesg
[10:37] <eagles0513875> i did and it still didnt work
[10:38] <Kiefer> anyone know wtf happened in fiesty that may cause that?
[10:38] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: You were helping N6REJ ?
[10:38] <N6REJ> hi LeeJunFan wb
[10:38] <leighton> hi anyone know how to update xorg ? done google search with no joy tried to adept update ...any idea ?
[10:38] <BluesKaj> misID the graphics card perhaps ?
[10:38] <eagles0513875> let me try that link that blue gave me again
[10:38] <LeeJunFan> DaSkreech: yeah
[10:38] <LeeJunFan> DaSkreech: went to eat.
[10:38] <DaSkreech> ok :-) I'll let you do that tehn
[10:39] <DaSkreech> kshinda: Should be cool
[10:39] <DaSkreech> leighton: to what?
[10:40] <eagles0513875> i might be onto something in the other channel ill keep u all informed
[10:40] <hendaus> hiya
[10:40] <kshinda> DaSkreech: thanks
[10:40] <leighton> idaskreech > keep getting need to update xorg>6.8
[10:40] <leighton> on powerup
[10:40] <hendaus>  Helpers!! how can i know the model of my monitor,i just know hewlett packard pavilion
[10:41] <Kiefer> guess not
[10:41] <Kiefer> well back to opensuse
[10:41] <leighton> running kubuntu 6.06
[10:42] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: where do I go from here?
[10:42] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: make sure your hostnames in /etc/hosts work - try to ping one of your systems by name.
[10:43] <N6REJ> lee look at this.... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11908/
[10:43] <hendaus> somebody help me please
[10:43] <N6REJ> thats from the kde client to the server
[10:43] <N6REJ> hendaus: look behind it there is a sticker
[10:44] <chino> LeeJunFan:  this isn't working it keeps changing the file and not copying the back up
[10:44] <hendaus> N6REJ,  let me see
[10:44] <DaSkreech> leighton: What are you trying to accomplish?
[10:44] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: it's pinging itself - 127.0.0.1
[10:44] <DaSkreech> Kiefer: sup?
[10:44] <N6REJ> chino: dhcp will always change resolve
[10:44] <leighton> any idea ? Daskreech ?
[10:45] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: you want to add lines to /etc/hosts for the other system so they can find each other by name.
[10:45] <frojnd> what's the command to see what file type do I have like ext3, ntfs ...
[10:45] <chino> LeeJunFan: http://pastie.caboo.se/49302
[10:45] <frojnd> system type*
[10:45] <DaSkreech> frojnd: mount
[10:45] <DaSkreech> leighton: did you update?
[10:45] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: but how can I do that when they are dhcp? or should I turn dhcp off??
[10:45] <frojnd> DaSkreech: ok
[10:45] <leighton> daskreech keep getting error message after loging about composite ...
[10:46] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: right, you can't if they are going to be assigned different IP addresses all the time.
[10:46] <leighton> composite manager failure in kubuntu
[10:46] <DaSkreech> leighton: Ok start over
[10:46] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: the server i've made static.  its 192.168.1.10 and its name is "driftwood"
[10:46] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: some routers will take the hostname your computer gives the DHCP server and create their own little DNS server with your domain, most dont.
[10:46] <DaSkreech> leighton: You login and get told that you need to update X?
[10:46] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: that's probably the only one you need.
[10:46] <leighton> says needs to turn off shadow off (which I have done)
[10:47] <chino> LeeJunFan:  can you please check the link above see if thats the right way to do it
[10:47] <fdoving> chino: you can prevent dhcp from changing the resolv.conf file in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[10:47] <leighton> no
[10:47] <LeeJunFan> N6REJ: but you want to make sure you add a line in hosts on your client station for 192.168.1.10 driftwood driftwood.example.com
[10:47] <DaSkreech> leighton: Ok what is the problem?
[10:47] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: thats what mine is doing.  Its putting search iowatelecom.com in the /etc/resolv.conf file
[10:47] <leighton> message says to update Xorg to more than 6.8
[10:47] <N6REJ> ok.  let me go do that.
[10:47] <LeeJunFan> fdoving: hrm, I just looked in there. for dhcp/resolv stuff.
[10:47] <leighton> well i keep getting the dialogue box up
[10:48] <chino> fdoving: how ?
[10:48] <DaSkreech> leighton: on 6.06?
[10:48] <leighton> when i power the machine up
[10:48] <chino> fdoving: me no comprendei man
[10:48] <LeeJunFan> chino: I think you just need to remove domain-name-servers from the request line.
[10:48] <leighton> yes kubuntu 6.06
[10:49] <fdoving> chino: you can either 'supersede domain-name-servers your.dns.ip.here;'
[10:49] <chino> LeeJunFan:  did you see my link ?
[10:49] <fdoving> chino: or remove 'domain-name-servers,' from the request line.
[10:49] <chino> fdoving:  im looking at the file i dont want ot mess it up what you do you mena ?
[10:49] <chino> ok ill remove it
[10:50] <DaSkreech> leighton: is there a orange box with a ! symbol on it in the system tray?
[10:50] <LeeJunFan> I gotta run an errand.
[10:50] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: wahooooo, we're cooking now, ping worked, cups working
[10:51] <chino> fdoving:  can you look at the pastie i put above and see if hte post-up line is right ?
[10:51] <N6REJ> LeeJunFan: ok, l8tr
[10:51] <fdoving> chino: why would you want to use a post-up like that?
[10:51] <leighton> no
[10:52] <chino> fdoving: idk it was LeeJunFan's idea i thought it ewas a nasty hack my self
[10:52] <chino> fdoving: i removed that line from teh dhcp file and its still overwriting my resolv.conf this is rediculous
[10:52] <Axl_Rose> has anyone here been following this LinuxMCE business
[10:52] <fdoving> chino: what is your goal? keep your existing resolv.conf, use one specific dns server all the time?
[10:53] <NightBird> wooo! my laptop is fesity!
[10:54] <BluesKaj> NightBird,does it work ? :)
[10:54] <NightBird> BluesKaj: well.... so far.... I think so
[10:54] <chino> fdoving:  hang on let me try the prepend line above the request
[10:55] <chino> i just need 127.0.01 and 192.168.1.1 to show up
[10:55] <aaron_> finally figured out how to get my Belkin USB adapter working in Ubuntu
[10:55] <chino> yea it worked!
[10:55] <N6REJ> chino you removed the 127.0.1.1?
[10:55] <c1|freaky> is there any gui tool with which i can generate a personal keypair? kgpg cant do that it seems
[10:56] <chino> fdoving:  am i going to cause some kind of dns loop if i have dnsmasq look at /etc/resolve.conf and it has it self listed in there ?
[10:56] <c1|freaky> nm
[10:56] <fdoving> chino: probably won't work well.
[10:56] <FragUPlenty> anyone else need to know how to get belkin USB wireless working in Kubuntu
[10:57] <fdoving> chino: but, the local machine doesn't use dnsmasq anyway.. so i think it'll work.
[10:57] <user__> hey all.  im trying to install kubuntu 6.10 on a laptop (LG f1) and cannot get past the network interface screen.  any help on how to get it detected?????  it a built in ethernet port.
[10:57] <DaSkreech> leighton: ok prefere CLI or GUI?
[10:57] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping
[10:57] <chino> fdoving:  i want the local machine to ask dns masq on 127.0.0.1 for dns information ... but ... i would like dnsmasq to dynamically get a new dns server if this guy joins a differn'et wireless network
[10:57] <nixternal> pongalong DaSkreech
[10:58] <leighton> gui
[10:58] <DaSkreech> NightBird: Update tool?
[10:58] <DaSkreech> nixternal: What X did 6.06 ship with?
[10:58] <nixternal> hahaha, are you kidding me? I can't even remember Edgy ;p  I would say 7.0
[10:58] <NightBird> DaSkreech: I started to, but my school's network uses websense, which stops it from pulling the updates after ~30 or so packages downloaded...
[10:58] <nixternal> Edgy was 7.1
[10:59] <NightBird> and so it was easier to deal with if I just did it via apt-get
[10:59] <fdoving> chino: then prepend 127.0.0.1 to resolv.conf. i think that'll work.
[10:59] <DaSkreech> nixternal: leighton has an error that says upgrade to X 6.8
[10:59] <DaSkreech> on 6.06
[10:59] <nixternal> hrmm
[10:59] <user__> hey all.  im trying to install kubuntu 6.10 on a laptop (LG f1) and cannot get past the network interface screen.  any help on how to get it detected?????  it a built in ethernet port.
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[10:59] <nixternal> just use tty1-6 and emacs for everything ;p
[11:00] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Yeah i'm lost
[11:00] <DaSkreech> leighton: Press Alt+Space and type adept then press enter
[11:00] <chino> ok idk right now i got it working ok i gues and i got 127.0.0.1 prepended in ther and i told dnsmasq not to look at resolve and manuelly setup the 192.168.1.1. in there so that should all work fine and if he needs to hop on aother wireless net then the resolve.conf will still have the other one listed there so it will try all of them if dnsmasq doens't work
[11:00] <[Naigovan] > I have problems on a laptop with VIA CPU
[11:00] <chino> but i really like dnsmasq to pick up a dynamic dns server and use 192.168.1.1 allways
[11:00] <chino> and have the local system look at dnsmasq
[11:01] <[Naigovan] > everytime i try to compile anything it just hangs!
[11:01] <leighton> done
[11:01] <nixternal> !xorg dapper
[11:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xorg dapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:01] <nixternal> !info xorg dapper
[11:01] <ubotu> Package xorg does not exist in dapper
[11:01] <DaSkreech> leighton: you put in your password?
[11:01] <nixternal> !info xserver dapper
[11:01] <ubotu> Package xserver does not exist in dapper
[11:01] <DaSkreech> !info xorg-xserver dapper
[11:01] <ubotu> Package xorg-xserver does not exist in dapper
[11:01] <leighton> yep
[11:01] <user__> hey all.  im trying to install kubuntu 6.10 on a laptop (LG f1) and cannot get past the network interface screen.  any help on how to get it detected?????  it a built in ethernet port.
[11:01] <DaSkreech> !info xserver-xorg dapper
[11:01] <BluesKaj> user__, are you doing a net install or disk install
[11:01] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 (dapper), package size 98 kB, installed size 344 kB
[11:02] <nixternal> yes
[11:02] <nixternal> 7.0
[11:02] <user__> BluesKaj: a disk install
[11:02] <DaSkreech> leighton: click fetch updates
[11:02] <nixternal> haha, I was right!
[11:02] <DaSkreech> nixternal: urok!
[11:02] <nixternal> luck ;)
[11:02] <[Naigovan] > it installs and kernel works finr untill i run make
[11:02] <leighton> done ...load updates
[11:02] <BluesKaj> user__ choose dhcp  for ethernet
[11:03] <DaSkreech> leighton: filter on xserver and tell me what version xserver-xorg is
[11:03] <user__> BluesKaj: how do i do that?
[11:03] <BluesKaj> isn't there a list of thet ype of internet connection you can choose?
[11:04] <[Naigovan] > is there a way i can get it to work fine on VIA laptop&
[11:04] <Towelie> plz help: how could i delete installed programms like openoffice from the kbuntu install iso/CD ?
[11:04] <user__> BluesKaj: let me go see beyond this red screen if i select okay, one moment
[11:04] <leighton> 7.0.0 ?????   whats going on ?
[11:05] <DaSkreech> leighton: Yeah that's what I'm thinking
[11:05] <DaSkreech> leighton:  can you join me in #kubuntu-devel
[11:05] <user__> BluesKaj: nope, im on the :configure the netwrok" step, there is not optioons for dhcp if i go beyond that point
[11:06] <user__> or before it
[11:07] <BluesKaj> user__ , eth0 ?
[11:08] <user__> BluesKaj: normally that would come up, but its a laptop.  the message says that an ethernet device cannot be detected
[11:09] <N6REJ> DaSkreech: is there a variant of ubuntu I can use on a old k6-383 laptop?  xfce would be fine
[11:10] <N6REJ> DaSkreech: I only want it as a server not anything else, its only going to run sql-ledger
[11:10] <DaSkreech> N6REJ: doesn't really matter what you run on it then
[11:10] <DaSkreech> N6REJ: You need a GUI?
[11:11] <N6REJ> DaSkreech: hmmm... actually NO! cause sql uses apache
[11:11] <eagles0513875> HATES ATI
[11:11] <DaSkreech> N6REJ: Grab any *buntu alternate cd and install a server
[11:12] <user__> BluesKaj: " no network interface detected.  the installation was unable to find a network device.  you may need to load a specific module for your network card. "
[11:12] <N6REJ> I tried edgy but it installs ok, but when on reboot it gets stuck in endless reboot
[11:12] <DaSkreech>  it doesn't install anything gui (the ubuntu-server package) and you can do what you want on it
[11:12] <N6REJ> DaSkreech: yeah, I choose lamp
[11:12] <DaSkreech> N6REJ: otherwise look at Delios or vectorlinux
[11:13] <N6REJ> DaSkreech: are they debian variants?
[11:13] <Paco> hey, can anyone help me install bootsplash
[11:13] <Paco> ive downloaded evrything
[11:13] <Paco> but when i put ./configure
[11:13] <Paco> i get
[11:13] <Paco> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[11:13] <Paco> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[11:14] <N6REJ> Paco: have you installed "build-essential"
[11:14] <Paco> build-essential? (nope):P
[11:14] <N6REJ> Paco: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:15] <DaSkreech> !bootsplash
[11:15] <user__> BluesKaj: ???
[11:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootsplash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:15] <N6REJ> DaSkreech: I'm going by the cpp error, assuming that he doesn't have the build tools installed
[11:15] <Paco> N6RE: k cheers, installed that, ill try again now
[11:16] <N6REJ> Paco: gl
[11:16] <DaSkreech> N6REJ: yeah I was just seeing if there was an easy way to install bootsplash
[11:16] <N6REJ> DaSkreech: there was a time not too long ago I used to build EVERYTHING, man I don't miss those days.
[11:16] <Admiral_Chicago> afternoon everyone
[11:16] <Paco> ok.......now i get the error...
[11:17] <Paco> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[11:17] <Paco> i think i got this b4 while doin something else
[11:17] <Paco> any help?
[11:17] <Paco> :P
[11:17] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: Dood!
[11:17] <BluesKaj> user__ , dunno what to tell you , my experience with a network card not being recognized usally happens after the install not during
[11:19] <N6REJ> paco install X LOL
[11:19] <[Naigovan] > wow someone is going to lunch we've got like 1 23 am here -))))
[11:19] <N6REJ> Paco: go find out what its dependencies are and install all of them first
[11:19] <N6REJ> 12:20 here
[11:19] <[Naigovan] > timezones rock -)
[11:20] <Paco> THANKS ppl :D im off.....i think i might found an answer on ubuntu forums....jst gotta install some basic packages :D
[11:20] <Paco> cheers :D
[11:20] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, .. user__ can't get past this during his install :  the message says that an ethernet device cannot be detected
[11:21] <N6REJ> how do you get back to *nix when you install winblows to a primary drive AFTER installing *nix?  Nix is on drive 2
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: hello
[11:21] <[Naigovan] > grub-install -root /dev/blabla
[11:21] <BluesKaj> gotta get grub back
[11:21] <[Naigovan] > ?
[11:22] <N6REJ> !grub
[11:22] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:22] <N6REJ> thanks guys
[11:22] <N6REJ> dumb questioon
[11:24] <jontec> I've installed libxine-extracodecs.. any reason why amaroK is giving me a "cannot play mp3" error>
[11:24] <jontec> ?
[11:24] <N6REJ> well, I'm off to install windblows
[11:24] <[Naigovan] > M$ sucks -)
[11:24] <user__> BluesKaj: ok, thanks for the help.  so my plan is to install the base system etc, see if it works afterwards, and if not, find out shy, load whut i need on a usb kay and transfer said needed files
[11:25] <user__> hopefully that works
[11:25] <Admiral_Chicago> jontec: apt-cache policy libxine-extracodecs tells you what
[11:25] <BluesKaj> user__ , yeah best to install first then we can help configure stuff after
[11:26] <BluesKaj> N6REJ. windoes gonna hide the bootloader on the MBR
[11:26] <N6REJ> [Naigovan] : I agree but I ahve to use it for photoshop
[11:27] <[Naigovan] > N6REJ: I use a Mac for that -)))
[11:27] <BluesKaj> right , there still are some things windows is needed for
[11:27] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: I printed the recovering after install thing... the only thing that bothers me is w$ is going to be on drive 1 and nix is on drive 2
[11:27] <BluesKaj> boot drive 2 first :)
[11:28] <N6REJ> [Naigovan] : wanna send me a copy? :D  my mac would love it!
[11:28] <N6REJ> then I could throw windblows away!
[11:28] <BluesKaj> smart..ss answer , but I couldn't resist :)
[11:28] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: lol
[11:29] <N6REJ> If I have to I guess I can always reinstall, its only several hours of work after all
[11:29] <[Naigovan] > -)))))))
[11:29] <BluesKaj> :(
[11:29] <N6REJ> HOPEFULLY I'll be back in an hour or so.
[11:30] <N6REJ> l8tr
[11:34] <borgus> How do you set qt4 to be the default qt in the system (for development purposes)?
[11:36] <skarface> how do I set up the wireless to connect automatically?
[11:38] <bigdad1e_> is there anyway to burn a picture on the front side of a cd?
[11:39] <BluesKaj> !wireless | skarface
[11:39] <ubotu> skarface: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:39] <pauljw> lightscribe, if your dvd burner is capable bigdad1e
[11:39] <bigdad1e_> lightscribe?
[11:39] <bigdad1e_> how do i find out if it is?
[11:40] <eagles0513875> !lightscribe
[11:40] <BluesKaj> is there one for linux ?
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lightscribe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <hitmanWilly> bigdad1e: itll say on the drive
[11:40] <eagles0513875> those drives r rather nice
[11:40] <hitmanWilly> bigdad1e: its just an HP thing as far as i know
[11:40] <eagles0513875> not true
[11:40] <pauljw> yes, there's one for linux, just used mine tonight  :)
[11:40] <eagles0513875> ive seen other companies that produce drives that r light scribe
[11:40] <eagles0513875> not limited to hp anymore
[11:40] <hitmanWilly> eagles0513875: news to me
[11:41] <eagles0513875> im serious
[11:41] <bigdad1e_> i have an acer aspire e360
[11:41] <BluesKaj> my dvd drive has the capability but never used it
[11:41] <hitmanWilly> eagles0513875: thats cool
[11:41] <eagles0513875> how many of u know what it is lol
[11:41] <hitmanWilly> eagles0513875: don't much care for HP anyway
[11:41] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:41] <eagles0513875> anybody want me to explaine what this technology is
[11:41] <bigdad1e_> what will it say on the drive?
[11:42] <pauljw> http://www.lightscribe.com/
[11:42] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:42] <bigdad1e_> thanks
[11:42] <BluesKaj> "lightscribe dvd writer "
[11:42] <eagles0513875> i wanna get one so badly
[11:42] <hitmanWilly> eagles0513875: takes forever to burn tho
[11:43] <eagles0513875> ya but its worth it
[11:43] <eagles0513875> no more paper labes or spending money on expensive ink cartridges
[11:43] <hitmanWilly> eagles0513875: meh
[11:43] <pauljw> you'll also need lightscribe media so it has the special compound on the label side which the drive burns when you turn it upside down in the burner
[11:43] <eagles0513875> lol and the labels will never fade
[11:43] <eagles0513875> yep that too
[11:44] <BluesKaj> bah  rpms :(
[11:44] <eagles0513875> u have alien
[11:44] <BluesKaj> yeah, but never used it
[11:44] <eagles0513875> go ahead and try it
[11:45] <eagles0513875> alien -d --scripts name of pkg
[11:45] <eagles0513875> its rather nice
[11:45] <eagles0513875> and then ull see a debian output file
[11:45] <eagles0513875> i mean a pkg and u right click on it and there is an install option
[11:46] <acemo> My cpu can jump from 150 to 1000mhz, but its max speed is 1666mhz, can anyone help me fix this?
[11:47] <eagles0513875> acemo that is the thermal throtelling
[11:47] <eagles0513875> it slows ur cpu down to prevent overheating
[11:47] <eagles0513875> and the cause of the throtelling is due to lots of dust
[11:47] <eagles0513875> acem do u have a can of compressed air
[11:47] <delight> edgy-feist upgrade went smooth except that on kde on logout it give me only logout know ... no shutdown no restart :-D
[11:47] <eagles0513875> delight u sure u didnt hit wrong button by mistake
[11:48] <hitmanWilly> acemo: in other words, try cleaning the inside of you comp
[11:48] <delight> no no ... whenever i go on kde logout it gives me a one button "dialog"
[11:48] <delight> which lets me logout
[11:48] <eagles0513875> ya that is ur best bet
[11:49] <acemo> eagles, thats not the problem, i had it running on 1666mhz earlier today, someone helped me make it possible to run at lower speeds, but now its max is 1000mhz (its a laptop)
[11:49] <delight> on gnome everything is still ok thou
[11:49] <eagles0513875> oh
[11:49] <eagles0513875> what kinda processor
[11:49] <acemo> core duo
[11:49] <delight> only kde give me that no shutdown ... its an old machine amd duron 800
[11:49] <eagles0513875> interesting
[11:49] <delight> oh wasn't for me
[11:49] <eagles0513875> humm
[11:50] <hitmanWilly> acemo: also, try running conky which will give you a more accurate cpu rating
[11:50] <hitmanWilly> acemo: at least it does for me
[11:51] <eagles0513875> since his processor is duel core wouldnt each core run at 800 mhz
[11:51] <eagles0513875> for combined total of 1.6ghz
[11:51] <acemo> hitmanwilly: installing now
[11:51] <acemo> eagles, no both cores can run at 1666mhz
[11:51] <PF-Away> is there any noticeable gain in using prelink in kubuntu?
[11:51] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:52] <eagles0513875> does ur comp have little props so that there is a gap between the surface its on and the fan holes on the bottom
[11:52] <acemo> acemo@acemo:~$ conky
[11:52] <acemo> Conky: desktop window (140000f) is subwindow of root window (ef)
[11:52] <acemo> Conky: drawing to desktop window
[11:52] <acemo> Conky: drawing to single buffer
[11:52] <acemo> then it stopped the output, but application didnt close yet
[11:53] <eagles0513875> make sure nothing is blocking the fans underneath the machine
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: prelink = debatable.
[11:53] <eagles0513875> also what might help ace would be getting a cooling pad
[11:53] <PF-Away> ok
[11:54] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: it will help, but whether it will help enough for you to notice?
[11:54] <PF-Away> 8 ms is what i need, according to ck;)
[11:54] <acemo> eagles, the heat is not the problem..
[11:54] <PF-Away> as in con kolivas, the dude with the kernel patches
[11:54] <PF-Away> i think it was 8 ms
[11:54] <eagles0513875> ace i have my laptop on a pad and im running at 2ghz but when im not on the pad though my processing power is cut back to 1ghz
[11:54] <eagles0513875> what did u doearly that allowed ya to hit 1.6
[11:55] <acemo> well
[11:55] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: you can check apps with ldd [path to binary] , the longer the list of libraries it loads, the more prelinking will help.
[11:55] <PF-Away> ok
[11:56] <acemo> it just ran at 1.66ghz, till someone helped me make it be able to run at lower speeds, now it just runs at 125mhz to 1ghz
[11:56] <PF-Away> LeeJunFan: how long is "long"?
[11:56] <eagles0513875> remember what u did to trigger that
[11:56] <PF-Away> dolphin has 46
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: ldd /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
[11:57] <PF-Away> ldd `which bash` | wc -l returns 4, compared to most kde apps with 30-40
[11:57] <acemo> i putted p4-clockmod to /etc/modules
[11:58] <acemo> and, installed cpufreqd
[11:58] <eagles0513875> remove the p4clockmod
[11:58] <eagles0513875> and c if that does anything
[11:59] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: yeah /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin is another biggie.
[11:59] <acemo> brb eagle
[11:59] <PF-Away> you wouldn't happen to have any stats on how much percentage of startup time in most programs is used for loading libs?
[12:00] <PF-Away> 62 libs is a lot
[12:00] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: I used to prelink all mine, I think I suffered from plecibo effect though - I thought it was faster but it probably really wasn't.
[12:00] <eagles0513875> ok ace
[12:00] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: sry, I dont.
[12:00] <PF-Away> LeeJunFan: i used prelink on gentoo, but it wasn't that much difference
[12:01] <PF-Away> what i did notice a difference in, however, was using a kernel with con-kolivas patchset
[12:01] <PF-Away> you wouldn't happen to know if ubuntu's default kernel has it?
[12:03] <Phoenix92x> hi, I'm running Kubuntu Edgy with kernel v 2.6.17-11 and am experiencing huge loads on my RAM that have begun to affect my ability to even ping anything (results in "no buffer space available" or something similar) On initial login 440 or so out of 2048 megs of memory is in use. If I simply leave the system alone and don't interact with it, 7 hours later it will have ~1800 MB of RAM in use. I've looked through ps aux and I
[12:03] <Phoenix92x> don't see anything using huge amounts of RAM. What should I do about this?
[12:04] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: no, I've never heard of it.
[12:04] <Alonea> anyone use cvscedega?
[12:04] <PF-Away> Alonea: why would anyone want to use any cedega?
[12:04] <acemo> ok.. its running at 1000mhz / 1666mhz again
[12:05] <Alonea> PF-Away: Play windows games...
[12:05] <PF-Away> afaik, at the moment Wine has better support for 3d-stuff
[12:05] <Alonea> PF-Away: I heard someone was playing oblivion with it.
[12:05] <Alonea> PF-Away: and the cvs is free.
[12:05] <PF-Away> Alonea: but does the CVS version include everything needed to play Oblivion?
[12:06] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: I didn't recognize the name, but I remember reading about a scheduler rewrite - something Linus said. Isn't that patch included in upcoming 2.6.21?
[12:06] <acemo> eagles0513875: u know speedstep-centrino?
[12:06] <PF-Away> i thought they pried out some stuff of the cvs version
[12:06] <eagles0513875> no i dont
[12:06] <Alonea> PF-Away: i dunno. thats not my problem. I just reinstalled my system and when I do the sh WineCVS.sh I get an error
[12:06] <eagles0513875> did that help any
[12:06] <Alonea> test: 43: ==: unexpected operator
[12:06] <Alonea> WineCVS.sh: 48: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[12:06] <acemo> yes, it did put it back to old things
[12:06] <PF-Away> LeeJunFan: ck has a lot of patches, including a better scheduler for desktop systems
[12:07] <PF-Away> Alonea: try updating cvs
[12:07] <PF-Away> probably a buggy commit
[12:07] <eagles0513875> still not back up to 1.6
[12:07] <Alonea> PF-Away: ok, I more than likely didn't get all the cvs packages it wanted...i get confused with the packages menu sometimes
[12:07] <acemo> its on 1.66ghz again yes
[12:07] <acemo> but, i cant let it run below 1ghz now :(
[12:07] <PF-Away> LeeJunFan: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/
[12:08] <Alonea> PF-Away: on what to install that is
[12:08] <eagles0513875> humm
[12:08] <eagles0513875> go ahead and install it again
[12:08] <eagles0513875> i have a feeling that has something to do with the thermal throtel setting
[12:08] <eagles0513875> br need to restart my computer
[12:08] <dhq> is there any plugin for konqueror to run vbscript
[12:08] <aaron_> how come my FPS is so low when I try and play Games in Ubuntu with Radeon 9250
[12:09] <slow-motion> n8
[12:09] <aaron_> I mean Quake 3 runs at 2 fps
[12:09] <aaron_> doesnt seem right
[12:09] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: yeah, I'm reading about him now. Must be a pretty smart guy, a doctor by day, a kernel hacker by hobbie. hehe
[12:09] <PF-Away> ;)
[12:09] <acemo> aaron_ u got graphic card drivers installed?
[12:09] <PF-Away> he knows a lot about human/computer interaction
[12:09] <kristjan> hey, how can i change my keyboard layout
[12:09] <kristjan> with xmodmap
[12:09] <hitmanWilly> aaron_: do you have the 3D drivers running?
[12:10] <kristjan> if i just type in xmodmap <filename>, it doesn't really change in kubuntu, while it does in ubuntu
[12:10] <PF-Away> aaron_: run "glxinfo | grep ire"
[12:10] <leighton> Hi  MANCHICKEN
[12:10] <manchicken> Howdy.
[12:10] <PF-Away> what are you doing in that man suit?
[12:10] <aaron_> ok
[12:10] <leighton> sorted the xorg
[12:11] <leighton> had to add the following lines to xorg.conf
[12:11] <aaron_> ok did that
[12:11] <Alonea> DaSkreech: back again.
[12:11] <Phoenix92x> right now for instance all Im running as a user is terminal, konqueror, konversation, firefox and gaim