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| Ubugtu | New bug: #95276 in launchpad "Top right search bar in beta only searches project names" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95276 | 01:25 |
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| welshbyte | is launchpad heavily loaded at the moment? seems a bit slow... | 02:37 |
| Kmos | not here.. | 02:40 |
| beuno | not here either | 02:40 |
| welshbyte | ok, thanks | 02:44 |
| beuno | welshbyte: I'm using rosetta though, so it might vary | 02:45 |
| welshbyte | re-running firefox made it speed up... crazy | 02:47 |
| Kmos | :) | 02:47 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #95319 in launchpad-bazaar "branch-puller lacks end-to-end tests" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95319 | 04:21 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #95361 in malone "Front page overlaps content at not-very-narrow widths" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95361 | 08:56 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #95404 in blueprint "Increasing size of dependency tree should be available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95404 | 11:50 |
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| Laibsch | Is Matthew Revell in the house ? | 12:21 |
| mdke | nope | 12:22 |
| Laibsch | mdke: Thanks for answering. | 12:23 |
| mdke | he's around monday to friday, UK working answers | 12:23 |
| Laibsch | Does he ever hang around her? | 12:23 |
| mdke | answers/hours | 12:23 |
| Laibsch | OK | 12:23 |
| Laibsch | Next question. Is it a design decision that Malone cannot define a dependency tree for bugs? It is quite handy to know that first bug A has to be fixed before bug B can be dealt with. | 12:23 |
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| Laibsch | Or can I enter an RFE? | 12:24 |
| mdke | interesting suggestion. I would guess it's simply not a feature that has been implemented, rather than a design decision | 12:24 |
| mdke | you can look for a bug about that, or mail the list | 12:25 |
| mdke | generally the weekends are quiet around here | 12:25 |
| Laibsch | mdke: Thanks for handing around, then. ;-) | 12:29 |
| Laibsch | I searched the bug list and after I did not find anything about that, I filed bug 95419 | 12:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 95419 in malone "RFE: Dependency tree for bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95419 | 12:30 |
| Laibsch | I was quite amazed not to see this. It seems quite obvious to have something like it. I use it all the time in Bugzilla. | 12:31 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #95419 in malone "RFE: Dependency tree for bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95419 | 12:35 |
| LarstiQ | iirc the developers are not convinced dependencies are useful | 12:51 |
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| LarstiQ | Laibsch: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2006-March/000110.html | 12:52 |
| LarstiQ | old thread, but that is where I raised it | 12:52 |
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| LarstiQ | Laibsch: could you explain in the bug what you use them for? | 12:54 |
| === LarstiQ finds it helps discussing the problem to be solved instead of a particular solution | ||
| kiko-zzz | dependencies are useful. but then again, maybe linking a spec to several bugs accomplishes what you want to do | 01:04 |
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| kiko-zzz | as soon as something needs to spam a non-trivial set of bugs, you could argue it needs a channel for consideration | 01:04 |
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| Laibsch | LarstiQ: Thanks for the link. | 01:30 |
| Laibsch | I will elaborate a bit further. | 01:30 |
| Laibsch | LarstiQ: Metabug is one thing I use it for and I had considered writing about that here. | 01:32 |
| Laibsch | But then after some consideration I thought that this channel might not be interested in that drivel ;-) | 01:32 |
| Laibsch | Furthermore I believe there is an equivalent (which is even better than creating a new bug just to collect others -> the meta-bug) | 01:33 |
| LarstiQ | if it's well thought out drivel, I believe it would be welcome ;) | 01:33 |
| Laibsch | It is the tag-feature | 01:33 |
| Laibsch | In your case, you can now just use the tag UnicodeExceptions and have about the same effect | 01:33 |
| Laibsch | But I still believe dependencies are useful for important things that cannot be done with Launchpad ATM | 01:34 |
| Laibsch | I use it all the time in the openembedded BTS | 01:35 |
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| Laibsch | BTW, can you clue me in on the exact semantics of "nominate for release" what does that stand for and in what circumstances should I set it? | 01:37 |
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| mdke | Laibsch: it's for the drivers of a project to determine which bugs need to be fixed for a particular release | 02:25 |
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| Laibsch | mdke: So this is nothing an ordinary user or somebody from QA touches? | 03:19 |
| Laibsch | In that case it would be nice if it was hidden for people who should not apply it. | 03:19 |
| mdke | Laibsch: anyone can nominate a bug, then the driver/release manager determines whether to accept it or not (as explained when you click on the link) | 03:20 |
| Laibsch | sure, whether it is accepted is another mater. | 03:21 |
| Laibsch | I don't quite understand the meaninf of nomination. | 03:22 |
| Laibsch | Is that sort of like "please release this is edgy/feisty/... when you have the time"? | 03:22 |
| Laibsch | this in | 03:22 |
| mdke | Laibsch: to nominate means to propose | 03:27 |
| Laibsch | I understand that much ;-) | 03:29 |
| Laibsch | I wonder what I am proposing by clicking that option ;-) | 03:29 |
| mdke | Laibsch: you are proposing that the bug be fixed by a particular release | 03:32 |
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| Laibsch | so why can I nominate dapper or even breezy? Is that proposing a backport? | 03:38 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #95493 in launchpad "[BETA] Unable to set upstream link" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95493 | 03:46 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #95520 in malone "One can not change Font-color of Panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95520 | 04:55 |
| mdke | Laibsch: those are supported distributions | 05:07 |
| mdke | bugs are fixed in those | 05:07 |
| Laibsch | I was getting the wrong impression by "fixed by" which I thought was meant as "fixed when XY is released". | 05:08 |
| mdke | my mistake. s/by/in | 05:09 |
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| Laibsch | no, I think both are fine | 05:16 |
| Laibsch | and both could be mistaken | 05:16 |
| Laibsch | misinterpreted | 05:16 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #95536 in rosetta "Ingreso a Una cuenta Diferente" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95536 | 05:45 |
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| jussi01 | good morning all | 08:29 |
| mpt | Gooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 08:31 |
| jussi01 | are there any launchpad admins around? | 08:31 |
| jussi01 | I would like to be a beta tester, I just applied on launch pad... | 08:32 |
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| mpt | LeeJunFan, the problem of the missing Actions menu is a problem in KHTML that I've been trying to work around for the past week or so | 08:37 |
| mpt | I thought it happened only with Safari, I didn't know it happened with Konqueror too | 08:37 |
| mpt | The annoying thing is that it's usually fixed by a reload, so it's hard to test any fix :-) | 08:37 |
| LeeJunFan | mpt: ah, at least I know. | 08:37 |
| LeeJunFan | mpt: I sometimes have to reload a few times to get it right. | 08:38 |
| LeeJunFan | mpt: well, I've got a page src saved of a failed session if it would be any help? | 08:39 |
| mpt | LeeJunFan, not unless it's a complete page with the CSS+images all saved locally | 08:41 |
| mpt | (can Konqueror do that?) | 08:41 |
| LeeJunFan | mpt: I don't think so. | 08:41 |
| LeeJunFan | mpt: well, there's an archive feature but it appears to redownload everything rather than just saving what's already loaded, so it's probably not accurate. | 08:43 |
| mpt | hmmmmm | 08:44 |
| LeeJunFan | mpt: well, it looks like it worked. It creates some kind of web archive .war file, and the one I have doesn't load everything. | 08:44 |
| mpt | Cool, mail it to mpt at canonical.com | 08:44 |
| mpt | Now I think about it, it might actually be a side-effect of the > bullets I added to the menu | 08:45 |
| LeeJunFan | mpt: okay, it's just a .gz | 08:45 |
| mpt | because they use funky floats and negative margins that might be confusing KHTML | 08:45 |
| mpt | and I'm going to reimplement them in a way that doesn't use negative margins | 08:45 |
| LeeJunFan | yeah, it's definately not in the html, the page I saved by itself doesn't always reproduce the problem, but the archive one does. | 08:49 |
| mpt | interesting | 08:50 |
| mpt | some sort of timing issue, then, depending on how quickly the CSS arrives relative to the HTML | 08:50 |
| LeeJunFan | mpt: yeah, this is weird. The html is actually missing from the source for the menu's when the page doesn't load, it's like khtml is just tossing parts out. | 09:05 |
| mpt | That's even more interesting | 09:14 |
| mpt | Because in Safari, IIRC, the source is still there, it's just not rendered | 09:15 |
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| popey | zoiks | 10:10 |
| popey | internal server error 500 | 10:10 |
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| mpt | GARRRRRRRGH | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | uh oh | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | that's not a good sign | 11:15 |
| mpt | I am rather displeased | 11:16 |
| mpt | when Launchpad lets me go to the "Mark bug report as a duplicate" page, and fill out the form, and submit, when it knows damn well that it's not going to let me mark it as a duplicate because other bugs happen to be a duplicate of it | 11:17 |
| mpt | It's cruelty, that's what it is. | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | mpt: I could show you some other LP cruelty if it'll make you feel better ;-) | 11:19 |
| mpt | ooh, yes please | 11:19 |
| mpt | because at least I know the can't-duplicate problem is reported | 11:20 |
| mpt | but the other cruelty might not be | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | heh | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | I think most of the cruelty I know of is already reported | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | I've got a new one though I need to work on in a minute | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | once I've gotten through my LP bugmail | 11:21 |
| nixternal | mpt: I know the feeling. I went through it last night | 11:21 |
| nixternal | take all of the bugs that were marked as a duplicate, and moving them to the original, one-by-one | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | doing what? | 11:23 |
| mpt | nixternal, yeah, that's what I've been doing for the past 7 minutes | 11:24 |
| mpt | (which should, really, take me 20 seconds) | 11:24 |
| nixternal | yup, I think if you mark one that already has duplicates, they should all follow suit, which I am sure you think the same on that one | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: so you are marking a bug with dups as a dup? | 11:26 |
| nixternal | I was dupin' dupes, that had dupes of dupes | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | mpt: has there been any thought to a "mass change" web interface? | 11:27 |
| nixternal | well, there was a bug report that was excellent, and then there were others that had been duped already that weren't as good, so I wanted to link them as dupes of the good one | 11:27 |
| mpt | LaserJock, unfortunately not | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | I was kinda thinking about it the other day | 11:27 |
| mpt | nixternal, are you auditioning to be the next Ellen Feiss? | 11:27 |
| mpt | "it was a really really good paper^Wbug report" | 11:28 |
| mpt | "so then I had to dupe it again and it wasn't as good" | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | like if a person had a file with a list of bugs to act on, then in the web interface you could mark what actions to take | 11:28 |
| nixternal | haha | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: you just work on the wrong packages ;-) | 11:30 |
| nixternal | I know where you are going with that | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | the stuff I work on, you're lucky if you get a bug report, period | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: nah, I could have | 11:30 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: that's because Microsoft doesn't do bug reports for the general public to work on ;p | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking science packages | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: I don't do MS, just Apple | 11:31 |
| nixternal | just as bad, but prettier | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | not as bad, and way cooler | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | :p | 11:32 |
| mpt | Apple has a weird system where registered developers can report bugs, and see their own but not anyone else's | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | what is a "pillar" in LP? | 11:41 |
| mpt | A product^Wproject, project^Wproject group, distribution, or person | 11:44 |
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| mpt | The basic types of thing that Launchpad revolves around | 11:45 |
| mpt | It's a play on T. E. Lawrence's "Seven pillars of wisdom" | 11:45 |
| mpt | Meetings are kind of a semi-pillar | 11:46 |
| mpt | A balustrade, perhaps | 11:46 |
| mpt | baluster, rather | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | oh, I see | 11:49 |
| mpt | It's an implementation term, you shouldn't see it except in bug reports about Launchpad | 11:49 |
| LaserJock | right | 11:49 |
| LaserJock | I'm going through the bugmail and wondered | 11:49 |
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| SteveA | 22:45 < mpt> It's a play on T. E. Lawrence's "Seven pillars of wisdom" | 12:12 |
| SteveA | ??? | 12:12 |
| SteveA | I think architectural metaphors have existed for a long time before either Launchpad or T. E. Lawrence | 12:14 |
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