[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95276 in launchpad "Top right search bar in beta only searches project names" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95276
[02:37] <welshbyte> is launchpad heavily loaded at the moment? seems a bit slow...
[02:40] <Kmos> not here..
[02:40] <beuno> not here either
[02:44] <welshbyte> ok, thanks
[02:45] <beuno> welshbyte: I'm using rosetta though, so it might vary
[02:47] <welshbyte> re-running firefox made it speed up... crazy
[02:47] <Kmos> :)
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95319 in launchpad-bazaar "branch-puller lacks end-to-end tests" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95319
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95361 in malone "Front page overlaps content at not-very-narrow widths" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95361
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95404 in blueprint "Increasing size of dependency tree should be available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95404
[12:21] <Laibsch> Is Matthew Revell in the house ?
[12:22] <mdke> nope
[12:23] <Laibsch> mdke: Thanks for answering.
[12:23] <mdke> he's around monday to friday, UK working answers
[12:23] <Laibsch> Does he ever hang around her?
[12:23] <mdke> answers/hours
[12:23] <Laibsch> OK
[12:23] <Laibsch> Next question.  Is it a design decision that Malone cannot define a dependency tree for bugs?  It is quite handy to know that first bug A has to be fixed before bug B can be dealt with.
[12:24] <Laibsch> Or can I enter an RFE?
[12:24] <mdke> interesting suggestion. I would guess it's simply not a feature that has been implemented, rather than a design decision
[12:25] <mdke> you can look for a bug about that, or mail the list
[12:25] <mdke> generally the weekends are quiet around here
[12:29] <Laibsch> mdke: Thanks for handing around, then. ;-)
[12:30] <Laibsch> I searched the bug list and after I did not find anything about that, I filed bug 95419
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95419 in malone "RFE: Dependency tree for bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95419
[12:31] <Laibsch> I was quite amazed not to see this.  It seems quite obvious to have something like it.  I use it all the time in Bugzilla.
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95419 in malone "RFE: Dependency tree for bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95419
[12:51] <LarstiQ> iirc the developers are not convinced dependencies are useful
[12:52] <LarstiQ> Laibsch: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2006-March/000110.html
[12:52] <LarstiQ> old thread, but that is where I raised it
[12:54] <LarstiQ> Laibsch: could you explain in the bug what you use them for?
[01:04] <kiko-zzz> dependencies are useful. but then again, maybe linking a spec to several bugs accomplishes what you want to do
[01:04] <kiko-zzz> as soon as something needs to spam a non-trivial set of bugs, you could argue it needs a channel for consideration
[01:30] <Laibsch> LarstiQ: Thanks for the link.
[01:30] <Laibsch> I will elaborate a bit further.
[01:32] <Laibsch> LarstiQ: Metabug is one thing I use it for and I had considered writing about that here.
[01:32] <Laibsch> But then after some consideration I thought that this channel might not be interested in that drivel ;-)
[01:33] <Laibsch> Furthermore I believe there is an equivalent (which is even better than creating a new bug just to collect others -> the meta-bug)
[01:33] <LarstiQ> if it's well thought out drivel, I believe it would be welcome ;)
[01:33] <Laibsch> It is the tag-feature
[01:33] <Laibsch> In your case, you can now just use the tag UnicodeExceptions and have about the same effect
[01:34] <Laibsch> But I still believe dependencies are useful for important things that cannot be done with Launchpad ATM
[01:35] <Laibsch> I use it all the time in the openembedded BTS
[01:37] <Laibsch> BTW, can you clue me in on the exact semantics of "nominate for release"  what does that stand for and in what circumstances should I set it?
[02:25] <mdke> Laibsch: it's for the drivers of a project to determine which bugs need to be fixed for a particular release
[03:19] <Laibsch> mdke: So this is nothing an ordinary user or somebody from QA touches?
[03:19] <Laibsch> In that case it would be nice if it was hidden for people who should not apply it.
[03:20] <mdke> Laibsch: anyone can nominate a bug, then the driver/release manager determines whether to accept it or not (as explained when you click on the link)
[03:21] <Laibsch> sure, whether it is accepted is another mater.
[03:22] <Laibsch> I don't quite understand the meaninf of nomination.
[03:22] <Laibsch> Is that sort of like "please release this is edgy/feisty/... when you have the time"?
[03:22] <Laibsch> this in
[03:27] <mdke> Laibsch: to nominate means to propose
[03:29] <Laibsch> I understand that much ;-)
[03:29] <Laibsch> I wonder what I am proposing by clicking that option ;-)
[03:32] <mdke> Laibsch: you are proposing that the bug be fixed by a particular release
[03:38] <Laibsch> so why can I nominate dapper or even breezy?  Is that proposing a backport?
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95493 in launchpad "[BETA]  Unable to set upstream link" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95493
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95520 in malone "One can not change Font-color of Panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95520
[05:07] <mdke> Laibsch: those are supported distributions
[05:07] <mdke> bugs are fixed in those
[05:08] <Laibsch> I was getting the wrong impression by "fixed by" which I thought was meant as "fixed when XY is released". 
[05:09] <mdke> my mistake. s/by/in
[05:16] <Laibsch> no, I think both are fine
[05:16] <Laibsch> and both could be mistaken
[05:16] <Laibsch> misinterpreted
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95536 in rosetta "Ingreso a Una cuenta Diferente" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95536
[08:29] <jussi01> good morning all
[08:31] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:31] <jussi01> are there any launchpad admins around?
[08:32] <jussi01> I would like to be a beta tester, I just applied on launch pad... 
[08:37] <mpt> LeeJunFan, the problem of the missing Actions menu is a problem in KHTML that I've been trying to work around for the past week or so
[08:37] <mpt> I thought it happened only with Safari, I didn't know it happened with Konqueror too
[08:37] <mpt> The annoying thing is that it's usually fixed by a reload, so it's hard to test any fix :-)
[08:37] <LeeJunFan> mpt: ah, at least I know. 
[08:38] <LeeJunFan> mpt: I sometimes have to reload a few times to get it right.
[08:39] <LeeJunFan> mpt: well, I've got a page src saved of a failed session if it would be any help?
[08:41] <mpt> LeeJunFan, not unless it's a complete page with the CSS+images all saved locally
[08:41] <mpt> (can Konqueror do that?)
[08:41] <LeeJunFan> mpt: I don't think so.
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> mpt: well, there's an archive feature but it appears to redownload everything rather than just saving what's already loaded, so it's probably not accurate.
[08:44] <mpt> hmmmmm
[08:44] <LeeJunFan> mpt: well, it looks like it worked. It creates some kind of web archive .war file, and the one I have doesn't load everything.
[08:44] <mpt> Cool, mail it to mpt at canonical.com
[08:45] <mpt> Now I think about it, it might actually be a side-effect of the > bullets I added to the menu
[08:45] <LeeJunFan> mpt: okay, it's just a .gz
[08:45] <mpt> because they use funky floats and negative margins that might be confusing KHTML
[08:45] <mpt> and I'm going to reimplement them in a way that doesn't use negative margins
[08:49] <LeeJunFan> yeah, it's definately not in the html, the page I saved by itself doesn't always reproduce the problem, but the archive one does.
[08:50] <mpt> interesting
[08:50] <mpt> some sort of timing issue, then, depending on how quickly the CSS arrives relative to the HTML
[09:05] <LeeJunFan> mpt: yeah, this is weird. The html is actually missing from the source for the menu's when the page doesn't load, it's like khtml is just tossing parts out.
[09:14] <mpt> That's even more interesting
[09:15] <mpt> Because in Safari, IIRC, the source is still there, it's just not rendered
[10:10] <popey> zoiks
[10:10] <popey> internal server error 500
[11:15] <mpt> GARRRRRRRGH
[11:15] <LaserJock> uh oh
[11:15] <LaserJock> that's not a good sign
[11:16] <mpt> I am rather displeased
[11:17] <mpt> when Launchpad lets me go to the "Mark bug report as a duplicate" page, and fill out the form, and submit, when it knows damn well that it's not going to let me mark it as a duplicate because other bugs happen to be a duplicate of it
[11:17] <mpt> It's cruelty, that's what it is.
[11:19] <LaserJock> mpt: I could show you some other LP cruelty if it'll make you feel better ;-)
[11:19] <mpt> ooh, yes please
[11:20] <mpt> because at least I know the can't-duplicate problem is reported
[11:20] <mpt> but the other cruelty might not be
[11:20] <LaserJock> heh
[11:20] <LaserJock> I think most of the cruelty I know of is already reported
[11:20] <LaserJock> I've got a new one though I need to work on in a minute
[11:21] <LaserJock> once I've gotten through my LP bugmail
[11:21] <nixternal> mpt: I know the feeling. I went through it last night
[11:21] <nixternal> take all of the bugs that were marked as a duplicate, and moving them to the original, one-by-one
[11:23] <LaserJock> doing what?
[11:24] <mpt> nixternal, yeah, that's what I've been doing for the past 7 minutes
[11:24] <mpt> (which should, really, take me 20 seconds)
[11:25] <nixternal> yup, I think if you mark one that already has duplicates, they should all follow suit, which I am sure you think the same on that one
[11:26] <LaserJock> nixternal: so you are marking a bug with dups as a dup?
[11:26] <nixternal> I was dupin' dupes, that had dupes of dupes
[11:27] <LaserJock> mpt: has there been any thought to a "mass change" web interface?
[11:27] <nixternal> well, there was a bug report that was excellent, and then there were others that had been duped already that weren't as good, so I wanted to link them as dupes of the good one
[11:27] <mpt> LaserJock, unfortunately not
[11:27] <LaserJock> I was kinda thinking about it the other day
[11:27] <mpt> nixternal, are you auditioning to be the next Ellen Feiss?
[11:28] <mpt> "it was a really really good paper^Wbug report"
[11:28] <mpt> "so then I had to dupe it again and it wasn't as good"
[11:28] <LaserJock> like if a person had a file with a list of bugs to act on, then in the web interface you could  mark what actions to take
[11:28] <nixternal> haha
[11:30] <LaserJock> nixternal: you just work on the wrong packages ;-)
[11:30] <nixternal> I know where you are going with that
[11:30] <LaserJock> the stuff I work on, you're lucky if you get a bug report, period
[11:30] <LaserJock> nixternal: nah, I could have
[11:30] <nixternal> LaserJock: that's because Microsoft doesn't do bug reports for the general public to work on ;p
[11:30] <LaserJock> I was thinking science packages
[11:31] <LaserJock> nixternal: I don't do MS, just Apple
[11:31] <nixternal> just as bad, but prettier
[11:31] <LaserJock> not as bad, and way cooler
[11:32] <LaserJock> :p
[11:32] <mpt> Apple has a weird system where registered developers can report bugs, and see their own but not anyone else's
[11:41] <LaserJock> what is a "pillar" in LP?
[11:44] <mpt> A product^Wproject, project^Wproject group, distribution, or person
[11:45] <mpt> The basic types of thing that Launchpad revolves around
[11:45] <mpt> It's a play on T. E. Lawrence's "Seven pillars of wisdom"
[11:46] <mpt> Meetings are kind of a semi-pillar
[11:46] <mpt> A balustrade, perhaps
[11:47] <mpt> baluster, rather
[11:49] <LaserJock> oh, I see
[11:49] <mpt> It's an implementation term, you shouldn't see it except in bug reports about Launchpad
[11:49] <LaserJock> right
[11:49] <LaserJock> I'm going through the bugmail and wondered
[12:12] <SteveA> 22:45 < mpt> It's a play on T. E. Lawrence's "Seven pillars of wisdom"
[12:12] <SteveA> ???
[12:14] <SteveA> I think architectural metaphors have existed for a long time before either Launchpad or T. E. Lawrence