=== barry [n=barry@216-15-33-253.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #launchpad [01:25] New bug: #95276 in launchpad "Top right search bar in beta only searches project names" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95276 === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === caravena [n=caravena@91-65-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #launchpad === mark007 [n=mark@pool-71-101-177-43.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@ubuntu/member/welshbyte] has joined #launchpad [02:37] is launchpad heavily loaded at the moment? seems a bit slow... [02:40] not here.. [02:40] not here either [02:44] ok, thanks [02:45] welshbyte: I'm using rosetta though, so it might vary [02:47] re-running firefox made it speed up... crazy [02:47] :) === Susana is now known as Susana_ === Susana_ is now known as Susana === kiko is now known as kiko-zzz === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.22.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.8.142.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [04:21] New bug: #95319 in launchpad-bazaar "branch-puller lacks end-to-end tests" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95319 === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@c220-239-104-84.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #launchpad === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.149.6.215] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44548.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@ubuntu/member/welshbyte] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [08:56] New bug: #95361 in malone "Front page overlaps content at not-very-narrow widths" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95361 === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.8.142.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === ZhongHan [n=chatzill@bb121-6-206-96.singnet.com.sg] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === alex_muntada [n=alexm@gnu/translator/alex-muntada] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === leoquant [n=leoquant@g234019.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #launchpad [11:50] New bug: #95404 in blueprint "Increasing size of dependency tree should be available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95404 === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host118-134-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.8.142.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === Laibsch [n=Laibsch@F733c.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #launchpad [12:21] Is Matthew Revell in the house ? [12:22] nope [12:23] mdke: Thanks for answering. [12:23] he's around monday to friday, UK working answers [12:23] Does he ever hang around her? [12:23] answers/hours [12:23] OK [12:23] Next question. Is it a design decision that Malone cannot define a dependency tree for bugs? It is quite handy to know that first bug A has to be fixed before bug B can be dealt with. === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.8.254] has joined #launchpad [12:24] Or can I enter an RFE? [12:24] interesting suggestion. I would guess it's simply not a feature that has been implemented, rather than a design decision [12:25] you can look for a bug about that, or mail the list [12:25] generally the weekends are quiet around here [12:29] mdke: Thanks for handing around, then. ;-) [12:30] I searched the bug list and after I did not find anything about that, I filed bug 95419 [12:30] Malone bug 95419 in malone "RFE: Dependency tree for bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95419 [12:31] I was quite amazed not to see this. It seems quite obvious to have something like it. I use it all the time in Bugzilla. [12:35] New bug: #95419 in malone "RFE: Dependency tree for bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95419 [12:51] iirc the developers are not convinced dependencies are useful === Fujitsu is quite convinced that they are. [12:52] Laibsch: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2006-March/000110.html [12:52] old thread, but that is where I raised it === alex_muntada finds them quite helpful [12:54] Laibsch: could you explain in the bug what you use them for? === LarstiQ finds it helps discussing the problem to be solved instead of a particular solution [01:04] dependencies are useful. but then again, maybe linking a spec to several bugs accomplishes what you want to do === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #launchpad [01:04] as soon as something needs to spam a non-trivial set of bugs, you could argue it needs a channel for consideration === sabdf1 [n=sabdfl@81.13.217.242] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #launchpad [01:30] LarstiQ: Thanks for the link. [01:30] I will elaborate a bit further. [01:32] LarstiQ: Metabug is one thing I use it for and I had considered writing about that here. [01:32] But then after some consideration I thought that this channel might not be interested in that drivel ;-) [01:33] Furthermore I believe there is an equivalent (which is even better than creating a new bug just to collect others -> the meta-bug) [01:33] if it's well thought out drivel, I believe it would be welcome ;) [01:33] It is the tag-feature [01:33] In your case, you can now just use the tag UnicodeExceptions and have about the same effect [01:34] But I still believe dependencies are useful for important things that cannot be done with Launchpad ATM [01:35] I use it all the time in the openembedded BTS === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.8.254] has joined #launchpad [01:37] BTW, can you clue me in on the exact semantics of "nominate for release" what does that stand for and in what circumstances should I set it? === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus [n=btj@127.84-48-229.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad [02:25] Laibsch: it's for the drivers of a project to determine which bugs need to be fixed for a particular release === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #launchpad === sabdf1 is now known as sabdfl [03:19] mdke: So this is nothing an ordinary user or somebody from QA touches? [03:19] In that case it would be nice if it was hidden for people who should not apply it. [03:20] Laibsch: anyone can nominate a bug, then the driver/release manager determines whether to accept it or not (as explained when you click on the link) [03:21] sure, whether it is accepted is another mater. [03:22] I don't quite understand the meaninf of nomination. [03:22] Is that sort of like "please release this is edgy/feisty/... when you have the time"? [03:22] this in [03:27] Laibsch: to nominate means to propose [03:29] I understand that much ;-) [03:29] I wonder what I am proposing by clicking that option ;-) [03:32] Laibsch: you are proposing that the bug be fixed by a particular release === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad [03:38] so why can I nominate dapper or even breezy? Is that proposing a backport? === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has left #launchpad ["part"] [03:46] New bug: #95493 in launchpad "[BETA] Unable to set upstream link" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95493 === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #launchpad === mdke [n=matt@212-139-118-106.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #launchpad === racarr [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad === marcus_notebook [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad [04:55] New bug: #95520 in malone "One can not change Font-color of Panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95520 [05:07] Laibsch: those are supported distributions [05:07] bugs are fixed in those [05:08] I was getting the wrong impression by "fixed by" which I thought was meant as "fixed when XY is released". [05:09] my mistake. s/by/in === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.8.142.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [05:16] no, I think both are fine [05:16] and both could be mistaken [05:16] misinterpreted === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #launchpad [05:45] New bug: #95536 in rosetta "Ingreso a Una cuenta Diferente" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95536 === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad === jordi [n=jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === mark007 [n=mark@pool-71-101-177-43.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.2.117] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44548.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@247.Red-83-49-51.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === marcus_notebook [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad === doko__ [n=doko@dslb-088-074-017-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-18.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #launchpad [08:29] good morning all [08:31] Gooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! [08:31] are there any launchpad admins around? [08:32] I would like to be a beta tester, I just applied on launch pad... === doko__ is now known as doko [08:37] LeeJunFan, the problem of the missing Actions menu is a problem in KHTML that I've been trying to work around for the past week or so [08:37] I thought it happened only with Safari, I didn't know it happened with Konqueror too [08:37] The annoying thing is that it's usually fixed by a reload, so it's hard to test any fix :-) [08:37] mpt: ah, at least I know. [08:38] mpt: I sometimes have to reload a few times to get it right. [08:39] mpt: well, I've got a page src saved of a failed session if it would be any help? [08:41] LeeJunFan, not unless it's a complete page with the CSS+images all saved locally [08:41] (can Konqueror do that?) [08:41] mpt: I don't think so. [08:43] mpt: well, there's an archive feature but it appears to redownload everything rather than just saving what's already loaded, so it's probably not accurate. [08:44] hmmmmm [08:44] mpt: well, it looks like it worked. It creates some kind of web archive .war file, and the one I have doesn't load everything. [08:44] Cool, mail it to mpt at canonical.com [08:45] Now I think about it, it might actually be a side-effect of the > bullets I added to the menu [08:45] mpt: okay, it's just a .gz [08:45] because they use funky floats and negative margins that might be confusing KHTML [08:45] and I'm going to reimplement them in a way that doesn't use negative margins [08:49] yeah, it's definately not in the html, the page I saved by itself doesn't always reproduce the problem, but the archive one does. [08:50] interesting [08:50] some sort of timing issue, then, depending on how quickly the CSS arrives relative to the HTML [09:05] mpt: yeah, this is weird. The html is actually missing from the source for the menu's when the page doesn't load, it's like khtml is just tossing parts out. [09:14] That's even more interesting [09:15] Because in Safari, IIRC, the source is still there, it's just not rendered === _neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44548.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === alex_muntada [n=alexm@gnu/translator/alex-muntada] has left #launchpad [] === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad [10:10] zoiks [10:10] internal server error 500 === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.3.192] has joined #launchpad === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.3.192] has joined #launchpad [11:15] GARRRRRRRGH [11:15] uh oh [11:15] that's not a good sign [11:16] I am rather displeased [11:17] when Launchpad lets me go to the "Mark bug report as a duplicate" page, and fill out the form, and submit, when it knows damn well that it's not going to let me mark it as a duplicate because other bugs happen to be a duplicate of it [11:17] It's cruelty, that's what it is. [11:19] mpt: I could show you some other LP cruelty if it'll make you feel better ;-) [11:19] ooh, yes please [11:20] because at least I know the can't-duplicate problem is reported [11:20] but the other cruelty might not be [11:20] heh [11:20] I think most of the cruelty I know of is already reported [11:20] I've got a new one though I need to work on in a minute [11:21] once I've gotten through my LP bugmail [11:21] mpt: I know the feeling. I went through it last night [11:21] take all of the bugs that were marked as a duplicate, and moving them to the original, one-by-one [11:23] doing what? [11:24] nixternal, yeah, that's what I've been doing for the past 7 minutes [11:24] (which should, really, take me 20 seconds) [11:25] yup, I think if you mark one that already has duplicates, they should all follow suit, which I am sure you think the same on that one [11:26] nixternal: so you are marking a bug with dups as a dup? [11:26] I was dupin' dupes, that had dupes of dupes [11:27] mpt: has there been any thought to a "mass change" web interface? [11:27] well, there was a bug report that was excellent, and then there were others that had been duped already that weren't as good, so I wanted to link them as dupes of the good one [11:27] LaserJock, unfortunately not [11:27] I was kinda thinking about it the other day [11:27] nixternal, are you auditioning to be the next Ellen Feiss? [11:28] "it was a really really good paper^Wbug report" [11:28] "so then I had to dupe it again and it wasn't as good" [11:28] like if a person had a file with a list of bugs to act on, then in the web interface you could mark what actions to take [11:28] haha [11:30] nixternal: you just work on the wrong packages ;-) [11:30] I know where you are going with that [11:30] the stuff I work on, you're lucky if you get a bug report, period [11:30] nixternal: nah, I could have [11:30] LaserJock: that's because Microsoft doesn't do bug reports for the general public to work on ;p [11:30] I was thinking science packages [11:31] nixternal: I don't do MS, just Apple [11:31] just as bad, but prettier [11:31] not as bad, and way cooler [11:32] :p [11:32] Apple has a weird system where registered developers can report bugs, and see their own but not anyone else's [11:41] what is a "pillar" in LP? [11:44] A product^Wproject, project^Wproject group, distribution, or person === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad [11:45] The basic types of thing that Launchpad revolves around [11:45] It's a play on T. E. Lawrence's "Seven pillars of wisdom" [11:46] Meetings are kind of a semi-pillar [11:46] A balustrade, perhaps [11:47] baluster, rather [11:49] oh, I see [11:49] It's an implementation term, you shouldn't see it except in bug reports about Launchpad [11:49] right [11:49] I'm going through the bugmail and wondered === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-132-150.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [12:12] 22:45 < mpt> It's a play on T. E. Lawrence's "Seven pillars of wisdom" [12:12] ??? [12:14] I think architectural metaphors have existed for a long time before either Launchpad or T. E. Lawrence