[12:28] <adamant1988> jenda: You here?
[12:29] <adamant1988> Well, whoever does the website might want to fix the giant brown typo
[12:29] <adamant1988> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/webforums
[12:29] <adamant1988> "Web fourms" 
[12:34] <Burgwork> adamant1988: file a bug
[12:34] <Burgwork> unforunately, community edit access has since the changeove
[12:34] <MenZa> Isn't that just a...anyone-can-use-and-edit Wiki?
[12:34] <MenZa> :P
[12:34] <MenZa> :o
[12:34] <Burgwork> used to be
[12:34] <Burgwork> now is drupal
[12:35] <MenZa> DRUPAL+
[12:35] <MenZa> The old wiki was bad enough.
[12:35] <adamant1988> Anywho... it just needs fixed... I'll go file a bug in a few
[12:36] <Burgwork> mediawiki is php and has security issues
[12:36] <MenZa> YOU have security issues!
[12:37] <Burgwork> wiki.ubuntu.com is still a wiki
[12:37] <Burgwork> www.ubuntu.com is now drupal
[12:37] <MenZa> I like the new website.
[12:37] <MenZa> A lot.
[12:37] <MenZa> It looks very professional.
[12:37] <adamant1988> Ubuntu uses an old version of MoinMoin for their Wiki don't they?
[12:38] <MenZa> Hmm, I don't remember what it's called
[12:38] <MenZa> Yeah
[12:38] <MenZa> MoinMoin Wiki Engine
[12:38] <adamant1988> Whatever it is, I know it's not as up to date as it should be because recent versions of the software allow for WYSIWYG editing.
[12:38] <MenZa> pfft
[12:38] <MenZa> Give me a proper syntax
[12:38] <MenZa> I don't need WYSIWYG
[12:38] <adamant1988> MenZa: I like coding it out, and you like coding it out.  Not everyone does.
[12:38] <MenZa> I hate when people think their "new" syntaxes are so perfect
[12:39] <adamant1988> The more WYSIWYG it is, the more docs we'll have.
[12:39] <MenZa> adamant1988: I don't mind WYSIWYG
[12:39] <MenZa> as long as I can turn it off :)
[12:39] <adamant1988> The only place that I think WYSIWYG would really help me is constructing tables.
[12:39] <MenZa> If I just have html tables, I honestly don't care
[12:40] <adamant1988> It ends up taking me some amount of time to construct a proper floating table to use as my table-of-contents
[12:40] <MenZa> :D
[12:40] <adamant1988> I ended up basing my table off the one in the MarketingTeam wiki.
[12:40] <adamant1988> Trimmed down as I thought necessary though
[12:40] <MenZa> wow
[12:40] <MenZa> I feel bad now
[12:40] <MenZa> hmm
[12:40] <MenZa> tr = tablerow
[12:40] <MenZa> td = table...?
[12:40] <MenZa> table
[12:41] <MenZa>    -> table row
[12:41] <MenZa>        -> table d-whatever
[12:41] <MenZa> huzzah
[12:41] <adamant1988> MenZa: It doesn't seem that simple on Ubuntu's wiki lol
[12:41] <MenZa> true
[12:41] <MenZa> I hated making my wikipage
[12:41] <adamant1988> There's a lot of || Thishtana || <color=#000000> this that and the other ||
[12:42] <MenZa> yeh
[12:42] <MenZa> BAD syntax
[12:42] <adamant1988> WYSIWYG is just much faster when it comes to tables I think.
[12:42] <Burgwork> MenZa: please quit it
[12:42] <Burgwork> moin has a different syntax
[12:42] <Burgwork> get used to it
[12:42] <MenZa> It's totally illegible
[12:42] <Burgwork> no, it is merely different
[12:42] <MenZa> It's messy
[12:42] <adamant1988> MenZa: I understand it well enough, I'm just saying that WYSIWYG might be more efficient. 
[12:42] <MenZa> And badly structured
[12:42] <Burgwork> in a lot of ways it is less legible than mediawikis
[12:43] <MenZa> adamant1988: quite possibly
[12:43] <Burgwork> however, IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE
[12:43] <MenZa> I'm not saying Mediawiki's is good
[12:43] <MenZa> In fact, I'm yet to find any wikis/bulletin boards/whatever with a proper table creation syntax
[12:43] <adamant1988> Well, I'm sure it's a difficult thing to make
[12:44] <MenZa> I don't question that :)
[12:45] <MenZa> Alas, now I must go
[12:45] <MenZa> I'm tired
[12:45] <MenZa> I have work tomorrow :\
[05:14] <poningru> damn it
[05:14] <poningru> guys I wanna apologise for dropping the ball on the beta release notes
[05:15] <poningru> I was just really really pissed about armstrong not replying to any of my emails
[05:15] <poningru> and I basically said frack this
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Prolly b/c she was cleaning out her desk I'd imagine?
[05:15] <poningru> so... I'm sorry
[05:15] <poningru> tonyyarusso: hehe
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> Don't worry about it too much
[05:16] <poningru> no dude I can understand that, its just she never replied previously
[05:16] <poningru> see its not just her its some people at mofo too
[05:16] <poningru> same response
[05:16] <poningru> as in nil
[05:16] <poningru> so I was like frack marketing for oss
[05:16] <poningru> for like a day
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> at mofo?
[05:17] <poningru> mozilla foundation
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> ah
[05:24] <beuno> where did she announce she was leaving?
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> I don't think she did - Fabio mentioned it
[05:25] <beuno> yes, but how did he find out?
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> He works there
[05:25] <beuno> he mentions an email
[05:25] <beuno> aaaah
[05:25] <beuno> makes sense
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> :)
[05:25] <beuno> would of been great for them to give us the heads up...
[05:27] <poningru> yeah...
[05:27] <poningru> I wanna bring this up with jono
[05:28] <tonyyarusso> Go for it
[05:28] <beuno> +1 on nagging to jono  :p
[05:28] <beuno> maybe we should drag him into our meeting?
[05:30] <poningru> I emailed him
[05:30] <poningru> no response yet
[05:34] <Burgundavia> do we really need him?
[05:36] <beuno> well, we have to build some sort of bridge to canonical, don't we?
[05:36] <beuno> it seems we've been out of the loop
[05:52] <poningru> indeed
[05:52] <poningru> Burgundavia: armstrong forwarded my email to the new guy
[05:52] <Burgundavia> he is not that person
[05:52] <poningru> err semi new guy
[05:52] <poningru> right
[05:52] <Burgundavia> which new guy?
[05:53] <Burgundavia> jono is not that person (in terms of the bridge, that is)
[05:53] <poningru> but if the semi-new-guy works like armstrong we should def have jono in
[05:53] <poningru> oh?
[05:53] <poningru> who would that person be then?
[05:53] <poningru> Burgundavia: chris kenyon
[05:53] <poningru> the new guy
[05:53] <Burgundavia> he is not knew
[05:53] <Burgundavia> s/knew/new
[05:53] <Burgundavia> geez, I am tired
[05:53] <poningru> right semi new guy
[05:54] <Burgundavia> christina is newer than chris and the person we want to talk to more
[05:55] <beuno> Burgundavia: who would be the person then?
[05:55] <Burgundavia> christina armstrong is our person
[05:55] <Burgundavia> matthew for the web stuf
[05:55] <beuno> well, that's not good  :D
[05:55] <poningru> since she is leaving
[05:55] <Burgundavia> leaving the company?
[05:55] <poningru> yeah dude
[05:56] <beuno> ha!
[05:56] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:56] <poningru> let me forward you the email
[05:56] <beuno> Burgundavia: a few emails have been flying through the ML
[05:56] <boredandblogging> anyone need any help? UWN or anything?
[05:56] <Burgundavia> I see that
[05:56] <beuno> so that leaves us with no bridge, which is why jono came up
[05:56] <tonyyarusso> boredandblogging: UWN always needs help
[05:56] <Burgundavia> ahh, I see
[05:56] <Burgundavia> I misread that
[05:57] <Burgundavia> likely because i was at work
[05:57] <beuno> which I thought was the person who bridged the community to canonical
[05:57] <Burgundavia> well, chris can do it now
[05:57] <beuno> yes, we just wanted to make sure this doesn't happen again
[05:57] <Burgundavia> what doesn't happen agains?] 
[05:57] <beuno> we found out christina was leaving out of pure luck
[05:58] <Burgundavia> right
[05:58] <beuno> someone said "let's invite christina to the meeting"
[05:58] <boredandblogging> tonyyarusso, any particular section, I tried searching for some In The Press links, but its a bit thin out there even with the beta release
[05:58] <Burgundavia> that sort of thing is not something that is going to be shared with teh community
[05:58] <beuno> and then fabian answered "she's not working here anymore"
[05:58] <beuno> boredandblogging: want to fill in some of the info for the newly approved members?
[05:58] <tonyyarusso> boredandblogging: Start on some other stuff and come back to itp after they've had a few hours to process the beta
[05:59] <beuno> Burgundavia: marketing person from canonical leaving isn't worth mentioning to the "ubuntu marketing team"?
[05:59] <Burgundavia> companies rarely share who is leaving publicly
[05:59] <Burgundavia> it is fact of life
[05:59] <beuno> yeah, that's true
[05:59] <Burgundavia> look, I also carry the title of Open Source communtiy manager, merely at Userful
[05:59] <Burgundavia> I deal with these things as well
[05:59] <beuno> I don't like it, but it's true
[05:59] <beuno> aaah
[06:00] <beuno> so you're the person we should nag!   :D
[06:00] <Burgundavia> there is also a feeling from within Canonical that we are disorganized
[06:00] <boredandblogging> i'll add links to the newly approved members, is it ok if I just read their own descriptions for the summary?
[06:00] <beuno> boredandblogging: yes, I'll look over it tomorrow
[06:00] <beuno> boredandblogging: but at least you can push it forward  :D
[06:00] <boredandblogging> beuno, will do
[06:01] <poningru> Burgundavia: well no duh
[06:01] <poningru> they wont tell us what they are working on
[06:01] <poningru> so we cant really do anything to help
[06:01] <poningru> what the feeling I am getting from canonical is lets keep official pr and community marketing seperate
[06:01] <poningru> I dont know how true that is
[06:02] <poningru> if it is then I will just back off and do the community marketing thing
[06:02] <beuno> maybe it's a chicken and egg situation, but we still have to find a way around it
[06:02] <beuno> I see it that way too poningru
[06:02] <poningru> if they dont want it to be separate I wanna help
[06:02] <beuno> the Beta announcment just now is a good example
[06:03] <poningru> yeah and I wanna avoid that for final
[06:04] <Burgundavia> yep, the beta document being crap was partly my fault
[06:04] <Burgundavia> shall we start on teh final document now?
[06:04] <Burgundavia> all it really needs is some screenshots
[06:04] <beuno> I wasn't talking about that, but we worked on 2 documents, and neither was used in ubuntu.com
[06:05] <poningru> Burgundavia: isnt there another beta before this?
[06:05] <Burgundavia> there will be a release candidate
[06:05] <beuno> it was said somewhere that "canonical would handle the official announcement"
[06:05] <poningru> err right
[06:05] <Burgundavia> the press release itself will be canonical
[06:05] <Burgundavia> the graphical notes we can do, if we step and prove it
[06:05] <poningru> Burgundavia: err actually the release notes being crap was kinda my fault
[06:05] <poningru> see my earlier apology
[06:05] <beuno> wasn't that way with previous herds
[06:05] <poningru> anyway
[06:05] <Burgundavia> no worries
[06:06] <Burgundavia> it happened
[06:06] <beuno> well, I practically didn't help there either, so I've got part of the blame too
[06:06] <poningru> Burgundavia: but see what I was talking about was lets do a press release thing for final
[06:06] <beuno> but again, it almost feels like we're being pushed away
[06:06] <Burgundavia> the press release is going to done by canonical
[06:06] <poningru> where we do it all localized
[06:07] <Burgundavia> look, writing good press releases is hard and you need a good list
[06:07] <poningru> Burgundavia: but why cant people work together?
[06:07] <Burgundavia> for the record, I also do that for Userful and I have painstakingly collected my list
[06:07] <Burgundavia> they can
[06:07] <Burgundavia> I will talk with Chris by phone on Monday
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> That'd be great
[06:07] <poningru> is he the one that does them?
[06:07] <poningru> Burgundavia: have you seen the spec I wrote up?
[06:07] <Burgundavia> he will be the one working with a pr agency to do it
[06:07] <Burgundavia> poningru: linky
[06:07] <Burgundavia> ?
[06:08] <poningru> hold on
[06:08] <Burgundavia> at the end of the day, we have to recognize that the press release will be written by somebody else
[06:08] <Burgundavia> lets work on the bits we can rock on
[06:08] <beuno> well, you talking to Chris puts my mind at ease on that subject
[06:08] <beuno> maybe get him in our meeting?
[06:08] <Burgundavia> I can try
[06:08] <Burgundavia> it is a weekend for him
[06:08] <beuno> just to try and get back in sync
[06:09] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:09] <Burgundavia> we need to keep it tightly focused then
[06:09] <Burgundavia> these are the issues at stake:
[06:09] <poningru> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/loco-press-releases
[06:09] <Burgundavia> 1. press release localization
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> noooooooooo
[06:09] <Burgundavia> 2. graphical release notes
[06:10] <Burgundavia> poningru: one note on that: Canonical sends in en worldwide, not just _gb
[06:10] <Burgundavia> given that english is the default language for business.
[06:10] <poningru> well right
[06:10] <poningru> but why not have it localized?
[06:10] <Burgundavia> I agree with you
[06:11] <Burgundavia> given that we don't need to hide what Feisty contains, we can say that there is no need to embargo the actual contents
[06:11] <Burgundavia> as for the actual release notes, we should try and get a pdf version
[06:12] <Burgundavia> probably not difficult
[06:12] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you still up?
[06:13] <nixternal> yes
[06:13] <beuno> Burgundavia: I also think special attention should be paid to sites like digg and slashdot, to make sure the approptiate information gets through
[06:13] <beuno> it's very common for random wiki lins to go there
[06:13] <Burgundavia> nixternal: given you have real world marketing experience, care to wade in?
[06:13] <beuno> and that's a big audience to be misguiding
[06:13] <Burgundavia> beuno: that issue is due to the website changeover
[06:13] <nixternal> what are we discussing?
[06:14] <Burgundavia> better canonical ?<--> marketing team communication
[06:14] <Burgundavia> basically, those of us who could edit the website haven't got those rights back yet
[06:14] <Burgundavia> I need to ping Nuzum directly
[06:14] <nixternal> well I have been saying that for over a year now
[06:14] <Burgundavia> regarding the specific issues at hand, any thoughts?
[06:15] <nixternal> I haven't seen anything out of the Canonical side as far as marketing, all of Ubuntu marketing has been done by community members
[06:15] <Burgundavia> the ubuntu people have done a bunch of paper stuff
[06:15] <nixternal> It upsets me to see them put marketing resources into a closed-source/non-free system such as Launchpad to be honest
[06:15] <Burgundavia> and there was talk of getting some of the mystory stuff to the community, to be wrirten
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: I agree.  LP's non-open status makes me quite uncomfortable, given what we use it for...
[06:16] <nixternal> yup, and it upsets a majority of the devs as well
[06:17] <Burgundavia> it is a festering sore
[06:17] <Burgundavia> but that is a bikeshed we don't need to paint again
[06:17] <nixternal> hehe
[06:17] <nixternal> I love the anology
[06:17] <poningru> lol
[06:18] <Burgundavia> ok, I just pinged Matthew about restoring website access
[06:18] <poningru> where is he?
[06:18] <poningru> what happened to his channel?
[06:18] <nixternal> he is on vacation
[06:19] <poningru> oh
[06:19] <poningru> he is?
[06:19] <Burgundavia> oh, geez
[06:19] <poningru> where is ho whats his face
[06:19] <poningru> hops or something
[06:19] <Burgundavia> hops?
[06:19] <poningru> not sure what his name was
[06:19] <poningru> old time webmaster
[06:20] <Burgundavia> heno?
[06:20] <poningru> yeah thats it
[06:20] <Burgundavia> he is canonicals accessibility person
[06:20] <poningru> oh?
[06:20] <Burgundavia> random fact: heno has no arms or legs
[06:20] <poningru> waah?
[06:20] <poningru> are you serious?
[06:20] <nixternal> ya, he did a huge website redesign, and then goes on vacation :)
[06:20] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[06:20] <Burgundavia> ie: he kicks all of our asses at the whole typing thing
[06:21] <poningru> Burgundavia: how does he type?
[06:21] <poningru> who unregistered matt's channel though?
[06:21] <poningru> we should totally do that
[06:22] <poningru> when he comes back a bunch of us should be sitting in there with ops
[06:22] <Burgundavia> matts channel?
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> #ubuntu-matt
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> For website questions
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> poningru: lol
[06:23] <Burgundavia> ahh
[06:24] <beuno> as in "in charge of"
[06:24] <beuno> ubuntu-wide
[06:24] <Burgundavia> there is already CanonicalStaff
[06:25] <Burgundavia> back to the topic at hand
[06:25] <Burgundavia> anything else you want me to talk to Chris about?
[06:25] <beuno> ok, good enough
[06:25] <beuno> Burgundavia: maybe a "what does canonical expect from us"?
[06:26] <beuno> so we know if we're lagging behind
[06:26] <Burgundavia> I think they expect regular meetings
[06:26] <Burgundavia> and clear projects
[06:26] <Burgundavia> for instance, the dyi
[06:26] <Burgundavia> is there a clear todo and a project plan?
[06:26] <beuno> yes, it has been stalled on my side
[06:27] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:27] <beuno> but it's clear on what's left
[06:27] <Burgundavia> letting stuff get stalled on one person is bad
[06:27] <beuno> finish the php code, and start uploading
[06:27] <Burgundavia> the UWN and the release notes seemed to have survived my disappearance
[06:27] <beuno> well, I pushed all the code to the bzr with comments
[06:27] <Burgundavia> is it doable to have dyi up for Feisty?
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: barely - took some big "stepping up to the plate", largely on beuno's part.
[06:28] <beuno> I still intend to finish it, but I've been trying get UWN back up
[06:28] <beuno> :D
[06:28] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> So yeah, about that membership thing, thumbs ups for beuno 
[06:28] <Burgundavia> and my saturday just got blown apart, due to a careless alarm tech cutting some network cables in my office
[06:28] <beuno> but to answer your other question, yes, it's doable to get diy by feist
[06:29] <beuno> that is our self appointed goal with dan and jenda
[06:29] <Burgundavia> when was the last time you put a call out for volunteers?
[06:29] <Burgundavia> do you have some "junior jobs"?
[06:29] <beuno> Burgundavia: I (we) can handle the UWN
[06:29] <beuno> Burgundavia: for UWN or DIY?
[06:29] <Burgundavia> the latter
[06:30] <poningru> beuno: yeah dude I wanna help with that too
[06:30] <beuno> poningru: the more the merrier
[06:30] <poningru> I thought it was done and ready to go
[06:30] <beuno> Burgundavia: it's up to a point where it would take 10 times less for us to get it up then have new ppl get in
[06:31] <Burgundavia> ok
[06:31] <beuno> after it's up, theres all kinds of small sized jobs we can pass on
[06:31] <beuno> poningru: #33 needs some work
[06:31] <beuno> cleaning up, suming up, filling in a few sections
[06:31] <poningru> oh blargh?
[06:31] <beuno> blargh?
[06:31] <poningru> see I am not at all knowledgable about bzr
[06:31] <poningru> I do not know what you mean about 33
[06:32] <beuno> aah
[06:32] <beuno> UWN #33:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue33
[06:32] <poningru> oh lol
[06:32] <beuno> you meant DIY?
[06:32] <poningru> I thought you meant ..yeah
[06:32] <Burgundavia> what about hosting a sprint on the DYI next weekend?
[06:32] <beuno> poningru: you familiar with PHP?
[06:32] <poningru> beuno: yep
[06:32] <poningru> working on suc right now
[06:32] <poningru> well supposed to be
[06:33] <beuno> well, this is good news  :D
[06:33] <poningru> also one suggestion a friend of mine had is...
[06:33] <poningru> most newsletters and magazines release for the week following
[06:34] <beuno> poningru: do you have bzr installed?
[06:34] <poningru> beuno: yes
[06:34] <poningru> I know how to download
[06:34] <poningru> but no clue how to push
[06:34] <poningru> DRAT
[06:34] <poningru> ok sorry guys I have to go sleep
[06:34] <poningru> a rep is coming to our uni tomorrow
[06:34] <poningru> so have to wake up extra early
[06:34] <Burgundavia> cya
[06:34] <beuno> poningru: np, we'll continue this later on
[06:34] <poningru> yes please
[06:34] <poningru> :)
[06:34] <poningru> nn
[06:35] <Burgundavia> beuno: back on release managemetn for the dyi stuff
[06:35] <beuno> Burgundavia: the situation is I need to work on it for 2 hours and it should be "usable"
[06:35] <Burgundavia> ok
[06:36] <Burgundavia> do you want to try and hold a "sprint" for it next weekend?
[06:36] <beuno> but I've been putting all my energy on UWN, and have been coding too much at work, so that's been turning me off
[06:36] <Burgundavia> yep, the UWN is a huge time suck
[06:36] <beuno> well, what would the sprint consist in?  me drinking tons of energy drinks?  :p
[06:36] <Burgundavia> that is why I burned out
[06:37] <Burgundavia> http://wiki.python.org/moin/SprintIntroduction
[06:37] <Burgundavia> ignore the "in the same place stuff"
[06:37] <beuno> I just got a "forum integration" think out of my system by hacking up the acual code for it and sending it to ryan
[06:38] <beuno> Burgundavia: I know what a sprint is, it just normally involves more then one developer  :p
[06:38] <beuno> I'm aiming to get the rest of the backend done this weekend
[06:38] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:38] <beuno> if not, I'll make sure that poningru can finish whatever I didn't
[06:38] <beuno> and get it up
[06:38] <Burgundavia> I cannot code worth a damn, but I and Madpilot can do some of the web stuff
[06:39] <Burgundavia> and if we declare a sprint and say "we need this to be done", we will get people
[06:39] <beuno> I'm not comfortable being the bottleneck, so I'm up to a point where it's harder *not* to do it
[06:40] <Burgundavia> sadly, getting rid of a bottleneck is easier said than done
[06:40] <beuno> ok, well, let's do this, if I don't get it done by this weekend, next one we do a sprint
[06:40] <beuno> yeap, sadly
[06:40] <Burgundavia> what is your thought on getting the UWN out by?
[06:41] <beuno> I'd like to get it out by sunday, as planned
[06:41] <boredandblogging> beuno, shouldn't you write your own member profile on the UWN? ;-)
[06:41] <beuno> impose an actual "weekly" release
[06:41] <beuno> boredandblogging: probably not, heh
[06:41] <beuno> but I will make sure none of it is incorrect
[06:42] <boredandblogging> beuno, hah, congrats man
[06:42] <beuno> boredandblogging: thanks  :D
[06:42] <Burgundavia> sunday means differeent things in different places
[06:42] <beuno> Burgundavia: I'd also like to address mark's comment on getting more exposue to "uwn"
[06:42] <Burgundavia> remember, our timezones are 10 hours apart
[06:43] <beuno> Burgundavia: I don't mind it's the "latest hour possible in the world"
[06:43] <beuno> as long as it's always on the same day
[06:43] <Burgundavia> I usually aimed for Sunday 00:00 UTC-8, which is 10am your time
[06:43] <beuno> and sunday seems like a good day due to the weekend (free time), and people starting the week with the latest news
[06:44] <Burgundavia> ok, shall we say Sunday 08:00 UTC?
[06:44] <beuno> well, I don't get up before 2pm my time on sundays, so if that's where you want to aim, I'll have to get it done by saturday  :p
[06:44] <Burgundavia> that means I can do a great deal of the heavy lifting Saturday night
[06:44] <Burgundavia> well, if we get it out before Sunday, that leaves you free to work on the DYI stuff :0
[06:44] <Burgundavia> :)
[06:45] <beuno> Burgundavia: why not 23:00 UTC the latest
[06:45] <beuno> hahaha
[06:45] <beuno> true
[06:45] <beuno> I thought this was a more "from now on" discussion
[06:45] <Burgundavia> it is, 33 hasn't be released yet :)
[06:46] <beuno> this particular one, as soon as possible as long as it's before monday
[06:46] <Burgundavia> I look at the number of weekends before Feisty and I see time vanishing quickly
[06:46] <beuno> also, it should be on the fridge instantly
[06:46] <Burgundavia> I can do that
[06:46] <beuno> great
[06:47] <beuno> and while we're on it, I want to get the translations organized
[06:47] <beuno> it gets translated into all kinds of languages
[06:47] <beuno> which just fade away into some blog
[06:47] <beuno> only french and spanish (I usually make sure it gets translated into spanish) links are added in the wiki
[06:47] <Burgundavia> I almost wonder if we should move off the wiki at some point
[06:48] <beuno> Burgundavia: to where?
[06:48] <Burgundavia> no idea, hence the wondering and not a decision
[06:48] <Burgundavia> habit
[06:48] <beuno> maybe a specific section in ubuntu.com?
[06:48] <Burgundavia> the workflow for translating on the wiki kind of sucks
[06:49] <beuno> like the fridge?
[06:49] <Burgundavia> I don't really know
[06:49] <beuno> what I do for translations is actually create the /ES with the english content
[06:49] <Burgundavia> I think we would need some sort of customization on top of an existing app
[06:50] <beuno> and mail me LoCo to get them translating
[06:50] <beuno> Burgundavia: would there be any realistic way tu use rosetta?
[06:50] <Burgundavia> not easily
[06:50] <Burgundavia> we need to generate pot files
[06:50] <Burgundavia> then we need to merge the content back in
[06:51] <beuno> well, that can be automated I think
[06:51] <beuno> I'm not sure how much it would take for the whole translation proces in rosetta though
[06:51] <Burgundavia> a lot
[06:51] <beuno> having to be approved and all
[06:51] <Burgundavia> need ot create docbook from the moin, then pos from the docbook
[06:51] <Burgundavia> then pull to pos out and then merge them back with the docbook and regenerate the moin
[06:52] <Burgundavia> it could be scripted
[06:52] <beuno> maybe we should add "mail the translation groups" to the post-release checklist?
[06:52] <beuno> simple and effective?
[06:52] <Burgundavia> yep, but via what email?
[06:52] <beuno> doesn't matter, does it?
[06:53] <Burgundavia> sort of
[06:53] <Burgundavia> we need to tell the correct people
[06:53] <beuno> "UWN #XX is out, please start translating"
[06:53] <beuno> to there mailing lists"
[06:53] <Burgundavia> ah, to the mailing lists
[06:53] <beuno> yes, I thought you meant "from", not "to"
[06:53] <Burgundavia> that would need to passed through the admin queue
[06:54] <beuno> well, the editor can be suscribed to them
[06:54] <Burgundavia> wow
[06:54] <beuno> I'd be willing to
[06:54] <Burgundavia> there has got to be an easier way
[06:54] <beuno> I can't think of one right now, but we can fire an email to the ML
[06:54] <beuno> and maybe the LoCo one too
[06:55] <Burgundavia> be nice if we built up regular translators
[06:55] <beuno> we already kind of have for 4 or 5 languages
[06:55] <Burgundavia> es and which others?
[06:55] <beuno> just very unstructured
[06:55] <beuno> fr
[06:55] <beuno> de
[06:56] <beuno> and some language I can't understand
[06:56] <Burgundavia> heh
[06:56] <beuno> hungarian or something like that
[06:56] <Burgundavia> where are they going?
[06:56] <beuno> blogs
[06:56] <Burgundavia> ahh
[06:56] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:57] <beuno> and there are some other germans
[06:57] <beuno> translating it
[06:57] <beuno> and making it kubuntu specific:  http://www.kubuntu-de.org/kubuntu-weekly-news/2006/kwn-26-12-31-dezember-2006
[06:57] <Burgundavia> ironic we have this created this web interface and we cannot use it
[06:57] <beuno> http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/lettre/
[06:57] <beuno> http://start.linux.org.ba/Ubuntu_nedjeljnik/31
[06:58] <beuno> well, that's something to bring up  :D
[06:58] <Burgundavia> well, our translations appear to be well in hand
[06:58] <beuno> yeap, just very spread out
[06:59] <Burgundavia> so what we really need is people adding them to the wiki page
[06:59] <Burgundavia> shall I edit the page to create a space for them, to encourage more?
[06:59] <beuno> yes, and having some sort of specific method to notify them we released
[06:59] <Burgundavia> we already have that: it is called the mailing to -news
[07:00] <beuno> well, if you see previous UWNs, there is a "translations" item on most of them
[07:00] <beuno> Burgundavia: yes, but do *they* know that?
[07:00] <beuno> my impression is that the UWN gets to them in all sort of ways
[07:00] <beuno> fridge, other lists, links in forums, blogs, etc
[07:00] <Burgundavia> if we get the fridge up the first day
[07:00] <Burgundavia> should we get something on the forums?
[07:01] <nixternal> if I don't find it, you all are in trouble ;p
[07:01] <beuno> Burgundavia: absolutely
[07:01] <Burgundavia> nixternal: nope, you are
[07:01] <beuno> hahah
[07:01] <nixternal> d'oh
[07:01] <beuno> Burgundavia: but we should add all these things to the "post-release"
[07:01] <Burgundavia> shall we try for this forum:" http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=222
[07:01] <beuno> - send to the fridge
[07:02] <beuno> - send to translators
[07:02] <beuno> - send to forum
[07:02] <beuno> yeap, seems like the best place
[07:02] <Burgundavia> we need to make you a fridge editor
[07:02] <Burgundavia> it should say what specifically is needed for each
[07:02] <beuno> what kind of voodoo does that involve?
[07:02] <Burgundavia> for the firdge?
[07:03] <Burgundavia> mail fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com asking for an account
[07:03] <Burgundavia> can you sort out with the forums to see if you and/or I can post to that forum?
[07:03] <beuno> yes, every single item should have an explanation, so someone like me can take over when it's been left out and get it going again
[07:03] <Burgundavia> for the translators, I say we send one mailing list to the lococontacts list each month
[07:03] <beuno> yes, I'll sort out the forum stuff
[07:04] <Burgundavia> and let them find it find via the three methods we release by
[07:04] <beuno> that sounds much better
[07:05] <beuno> and maybe add a "Translations" item to the template
[07:05] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:05] <beuno> and leave common languages empty or "needs translation" to encourage anyone to go ahead and do it
[07:05] <nixternal> beuno: if you would like, I can (and so can Burgundavia) put in a good word. But I would actually wait a couple of days, then remind me. We are waiting for Jono to come at us with a new proposal for the Fridge
[07:06] <beuno> needs translation can be a link to specific instructions...
[07:06] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[07:07] <beuno> nixternal: I'm still trying to figure out how some thinks work around here, so basically whatever you guys recomend
[07:07] <beuno> Burgundavia: should I go ahead and edit the template for the translations?
[07:07] <nixternal> beuno: things just work, no need to try and figure them out ;p
[07:07] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[07:08] <beuno> nixternal: tell that to the DIY code that still needs to be finished
[07:08] <nixternal> ahh, DIY 1 year later (err 2 now almost)
[07:08] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=222
[07:08] <nixternal> at least someone is finally doing it though
[07:08] <beuno> 1 year???  I've been here for a little under 6 months, didn't know it went that far back
[07:09] <Burgundavia> dyi is an idea a long time coming
[07:09] <nixternal> a very long time coming
[07:09] <Burgundavia> jenda and I have talked about it for a long time and even jenda is not the original dev, if my memory serves me correctly
[07:09] <nixternal> I remember when we had like ubuntupeople.com or something
[07:09] <tonyyarusso> Me too
[07:09] <nixternal> Burgundavia: you are correct
[07:09] <Burgundavia> indeed ubuntupeople.com
[07:09] <nixternal> the original dev was the owner of ubuntupeople.com on that
[07:10] <Burgundavia> which thankfully diead
[07:10] <nixternal> then we (I think I) pissed him off because we decided to take action and actually try to make stuff happen
[07:10] <Burgundavia> sorry,wrong link
[07:10] <Burgundavia> http://www.eweek.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l=&s=26744&a=203626&po=19,00.asp?p=y
[07:10] <beuno> I, for some random reason, own easyubuntu.com
[07:10] <beuno> just a fun fact
[07:11] <Burgundavia> ahh
[07:11] <tonyyarusso> beuno: Good to know?
[07:11] <beuno> not a flatering pic for mark
[07:11] <beuno> tonyyarusso: it's just lying there waiting for a good idea to come up
[07:12] <Burgundavia> a redirect to ubuntu.com for now
[07:12] <Burgundavia> ?
[07:13] <nixternal> easyubuntu, not like that script that installed all kinds of junk?
[07:13] <Burgundavia> easyubuntu was teh better version, forked off automatix
[07:14] <boredandblogging> beuno, added the new member profiles
[07:14] <beuno> nixternal: no, unrelated
[07:14] <beuno> Burgundavia: not a bad idea, I'll add a redirect
[07:14] <Burgundavia> maybe we can create a "ubuntu.com/switch" page
[07:14] <beuno> boredandblogging: checking out
[07:14] <Burgundavia> and then redirect easyubuntu.com to that
[07:16] <beuno> Burgundavia: it's just sitting there, so I don't mind changing it around
[07:16] <beuno> I originally had an idea to a website where you could search for packages in the repos and install them straight from Firefox
[07:16] <beuno> had the extension half programmed
[07:17] <beuno> but I just didn't have the time
[07:17] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:17] <Burgundavia> there was a long term plan for that
[07:17] <beuno> really?  I wasn't aware of it
[07:17] <Burgundavia> you know, you could upstage cnr by getting that out sooner <evil grin>
[07:17] <beuno> I got frustrated by having such a hard time finding software
[07:17] <beuno> hahahah
[07:18] <beuno> yes, that's what I need, more work
[07:18] <Burgundavia> http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Linspire_Canonical_Partnership_FAQ
[07:18] <beuno> ah, "a few years"
[07:18] <Burgundavia> read that as "Linspire is being eaten alive by Ubuntu, so they are jumping ship to Ubuntu"
[07:18] <Burgundavia> basically I widely expect Linspire to be sold at some point
[07:19] <beuno> yes, lindows didn't work out very well
[07:19] <beuno> it is, there is linspire, which is paid, and freespire, which is free
[07:19] <Burgundavia> they are doing well in the educational market
[07:19] <beuno> at least AFAIK
[07:19] <Burgundavia> and they just dropped their Freespire OSS edition, much touted
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> really?
[07:19] <beuno> oh, I missed that
[07:21] <Burgundavia> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.freespire.user/1668
[07:22] <beuno> hm, seems the move to ubuntu-based provoked it
[07:22] <boredandblogging> can we stop displaying the whole URL for In The Press? Some of them are taking up almost a whole row. Maybe have a 'For Full Article: Link' and Link is a [http://whatever Link] .
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> boredandblogging: go for it
[07:23] <beuno> not really
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> I think we actually used to do it that way
[07:23] <beuno> the UWN does to the emailing list
[07:23] <beuno> which is plain text
[07:23] <beuno> so that doesn't work very well
[07:24] <tonyyarusso> beuno: It will show [http://whatever Link]  in the e-mail, which isn't much
[07:24] <beuno> right, well, Burgundavia?
[07:24] <Burgundavia> well?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> no we need to do that
[07:25] <Burgundavia> for the plaintext email
[07:25] <Burgundavia> hmm, matthew revell sat on the freespire board
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> interesting
[07:26] <beuno> yes, it might explain things a bit
[07:26] <boredandblogging> ok, how about the link is on the next line after the article, so the wiki doesn't break up the link into two lines if its really long?
[07:27] <beuno> boredandblogging: that sounds doable, yes
[07:27] <boredandblogging> and maybe smaller text? but that might cause problems in the email
[07:27] <beuno> boredandblogging: text size can't be changed
[07:27] <beuno> in emails that is
[07:27] <beuno> in the wiki, I don't think it's worth it
[07:27] <Burgundavia> http://www.understated.co.uk/blog/2006/resignation-from-freespire-leadership-board/
[07:28] <boredandblogging> ok, next line it is
[07:29] <nixternal> haha, I said they should name the new Beryl Compiz crap they are doing again, CrAp. didn't realise one of the devs was hanging out in there
[07:29] <nixternal> oh well, I called it how I see it ;p
[07:30] <beuno> lol
[07:31] <boredandblogging> not to nit-picky, but the os news review was posted in 32, probably works better this week because of the beta, leave it alone?
[07:32] <beuno> Burgundavia: how's this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate
[07:32] <Burgundavia> looks good
[07:33] <Burgundavia> we will need to create those pages for each week, but that is not a major deal
[07:33] <beuno> no, and even if we don't they will have a direct link to where to dump the translation
[07:36] <beuno> hmmm
[07:36] <beuno> UWN breaks after adding the translation bit
[07:40] <beuno> anyone know what language this is in?   http://emir.linux.org.ba/?p=32
[07:48] <beuno> Burgundavia: should I remove melissa as the "final editor" for LoCo News?
[07:49] <beuno> I haven't gotten her to pay any attention to it for a long time now
[07:49] <Burgundavia> sure
[07:49] <Burgundavia> she is knee deep in finding a new job, I think
[07:51] <beuno> Burgundavia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[07:52] <beuno> and that should conclude a big part of what we've been throwing around the last couple of hours
[07:52] <beuno> at least it's documented  :D
[07:54] <beuno> boredandblogging: don't forget to add your name at the bottom of the UWN
[07:56] <boredandblogging> beuno, will do
[07:56] <boredandblogging> anything else that needs work?
[07:57] <beuno> boredandblogging: "In The Blogoshpere" needs some lovin
[07:58] <beuno> and the "In The Press" section summaries should be a bit longer
[07:58] <beuno> (2 or 3 lines, see previous UWNs)
[07:58] <boredandblogging> ok, I'll work on them both
[07:58] <beuno> and it seems we don't have any LoCo news...  :(
[07:59] <beuno> I'll organize all that's scattered in the UWN tomorrow
[07:59] <beuno> and nag LoCo teams
[08:00] <beuno> or just make up random stuff about them like "X LoCo are sacrificing pigs to Debian"
[08:00] <beuno> that'll teach em not to produce any news
[08:00] <boredandblogging> lol
[08:01] <boredandblogging> whats the policy for the blogosphere? I know we don't want to pimp out random blogs
[08:01] <boredandblogging> i'm going to change the ITN to look like the previous UWNs
[08:02] <beuno> boredandblogging: it's hard to say, but you can add links you find interesting and we can edit them out if necessary
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> boredandblogging: It's new, so it lacks much in the way of policy.
[08:02] <beuno> don't sumaries them until they're checked
[08:02] <beuno> and yes, theres that  :D
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> The main point is to find the blogs that are exceptionally well-written and in-depth
[08:02] <beuno> the main idea behind it is to encourage bloggers
[08:02] <beuno> yes
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> Hilight both the coverage of us and the work of the blogger; try to lure them into helping us
[08:02] <beuno> that should go on there as a comment
[08:03] <boredandblogging> alright, let me find some blogs and we'll go from there
[08:04] <beuno> it seems it was already on there  :D
[08:04] <beuno> yes, I believe adamant1988 brought up the proposal for something like this
[08:04] <boredandblogging> its a good idea, just going to be interesting filtering through them
[08:05] <beuno> and once a few of them get a taste of being on it, it will be much harder  :D
[08:06] <boredandblogging> hah, true
[08:06] <beuno> well, I', out
[08:06] <beuno> *I'm
[08:06] <beuno> dog wants to pee, I want to pee
[08:07] <beuno> and it's 4am
[08:07] <beuno> Burgundavia: great brainstorming today
[08:07] <beuno> tomorrow I'll put some attention on UWN #33 and DIY
[08:08] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[08:08] <beuno> g'night all
[08:09] <boredandblogging> nite
[11:30] <jenda> Good morning
[11:34] <Zerlinna> jenda: seems they're all still sleeping ;)
[11:34] <jenda> Looks like it :)
[11:35] <jenda> beuno: ping
[11:36] <jenda> Well, I admit I have just gotten up about half an hour ago ;) But then again, yesterday was a loong night
[11:36] <Zerlinna> jenda: at least I already had a coffee ;)
[11:36] <jenda> Hehe... /me isn't much of a coffee person
[11:36] <jenda> :)
[11:37] <Zerlinna> jenda: I can't get my brain to work in the morning without a bit coffeine :-P
[11:40] <jenda> tea has plenty ;)
[11:40] <Zerlinna> jenda: I thought that was theine?
[11:41] <jenda> Bah, they kept changing the name ;) It's nearly identical to caffeine, so it was, at one time, at least, called tea caffeine.
[11:41] <jenda> Or that's what I gathered - what's important is that it's there ;)
[11:43] <Zerlinna> jenda: wikipedia says you're right :-D
[11:43] <jenda> whee :)
[11:43] <jenda> I was actually hoping you'd check, so I wouldn't have to ;)
[11:44] <Zerlinna> lol
[11:46] <Zerlinna> jenda: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Wikipedia+search?content=35639 ;)
[11:47] <jenda> not bad
[11:48] <Zerlinna> jenda: I love it :)
[11:48] <jenda> :)
[11:48] <jenda> It brings the library of Alexandria right to your desktop...
[11:49] <Zerlinna> jenda: this one is not bad either: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Multi_Search?content=53728 ;)
[11:49] <Zerlinna> jenda: luckily it can't burn :-D
[11:49] <jenda> interesting :)
[11:50] <jenda> unfortunately, i'm a gnome person ;)
[11:51] <Zerlinna> jenda: I feared that might be the case :)
[11:52] <jenda> hehe
[06:52] <beuno> jenda, mornin
[06:52] <jenda> mornin :)
[06:53] <jenda> How's you this fine day?
[06:53] <jenda> And how's the DIY coding going? ;)
[06:54] <beuno> this fine day is great, I can't make out the rest   :p
[06:54] <jenda> hehehe
[06:55] <jenda> of course ;)
[06:56] <beuno> actually, Corey has threatend with a "sprint" next weekend if I don't get this done by then
[07:00] <beuno> jenda: did you see my other email to ryan?
[07:01] <jenda> yep
[07:01] <jenda> hehe
[07:02] <jenda> Good email, btw, just didn't have anything to respond ;)
[07:02] <jenda> I hope you get a positive answer.
[07:03] <beuno> I can't go any further then that
[07:03] <beuno> I went ahead and coded it
[07:04] <beuno> so if it doesn't go through, I don't think I'll actively persue is any more
[07:06] <jenda> Yes,  that sounds sensible...
[07:06] <boredandblogging> beuno, I tried cleaning up the ITN section and proposed some links for the blogosphere, it really is not easy finding decent links for that.
[07:07] <beuno> boredandblogging: great, I'll check it out in a bit
[07:08] <beuno> jenda: I might setup some kind of web service for other to integrate it into there blogs/forums
[07:09] <beuno> but after I get DIY up  ;)
[07:09] <jenda> that sounds good ;)
[07:12] <beuno> and I'll take ryan out of my christmas card list!
[07:12] <jenda> hehe
[10:26] <kbrooks> wow
[10:26] <kbrooks> i actually promoted ubuntu to a person
[10:26] <elcasey> good work
[10:26] <tsmithe> yay!
[10:26] <kbrooks> i wont say the name, but i gave her the ubuntu cd and uh
[10:26] <kbrooks> said that she could try it out
[10:26] <tsmithe> uh?
[10:26] <elcasey> now you'r egetting married?
[10:27] <elcasey> oh
[10:27] <tsmithe> hehe
[10:27] <elcasey> :P
[10:27] <kbrooks> and warned her not to install it unless it works
 now you'r egetting married? # i would say her name if i was married, but nooo im 16
[10:28] <kbrooks> anyway, i have good news other than that.
[10:28] <elcasey> lol
[10:28] <kbrooks> lets see, how do i start
[10:28] <kbrooks> umm
[10:28] <elcasey> you can get married when you're 16, can't you?
[10:29] <kbrooks>  i wasnt implying that
[10:29] <kbrooks> rather, i DON'T WANT TO get married atm
[10:29] <tsmithe> elcasey, so i thought
[10:29] <kbrooks> i haven't found a gf. all my friends are decked out 
[10:29] <elcasey> decked out?
[10:29] <elcasey> thanks, smitty :)
[10:29] <kbrooks> elcasey, read in context
[10:30] <elcasey> i'm not down with the...whatever
[10:30] <elcasey> i just don't know what the hell you're talking about :P
[10:30] <kbrooks> elcasey, well, it's a metaphor in this case. it means "already taken"
[10:31] <tsmithe> ah
[10:31] <kbrooks> on the deck, and refusing to leave
[10:31] <tsmithe> but i don't get the metaphor 
[10:31] <tsmithe> mmhmm
[10:31] <tsmithe> :)
[10:31] <adamant1988> elcasey: don't mock marriage newb :P
[10:31] <elcasey> why not?
[10:31] <kbrooks> tsmithe, i haven't found a gf because my friends have a sweetheart!!!
[10:31] <kbrooks> tsmithe, that is what i mean.
[10:31] <elcasey> and wtf are you calling newb, i'm almost a decade older than you! lol
[10:32] <tsmithe> :D
[10:32] <kbrooks> s/a//; s/sweetheart/sweethearts/
[10:32] <adamant1988> elcasey: I'm so totally 1337 at life, and you fail at it
[10:32] <elcasey> hahaha
[10:32] <adamant1988> Plus, you can't mock marriage and have me let you get away with it.. I'm engaged :P
[10:32] <kbrooks> I should write a review of Ubuntu.
[10:32] <elcasey> not my fault
[10:33] <kbrooks> and uh I did some quick router work. I must applaud the work D-Link is doing to their (wireless) routers
[10:34] <kbrooks> i have one of these as a gift for my 16th bday, which was today.
[10:34] <kbrooks> and I set it up, and everythying works
[10:34] <elcasey> kbrooks: you gotta get a WRT54GL
[10:34] <kbrooks> it's easy provided you know the plugging in and setup part, and that is pretty much it
[10:34] <elcasey> happy birthday
[10:34] <elcasey> my 27th was two weeks ago today
[10:35] <kbrooks> Cool.
[10:35] <elcasey> I got...cash :P
[10:36] <kbrooks> I think I'll put Ubuntu on the kitchen counters, and leave all but one CD for me 
[10:37] <elcasey> I love free CDs
[10:37] <elcasey> I've given several to instructors at school already...they especially dig the "I don't need $70 PartitionMagic anymore" part ;)
[10:37] <kbrooks> what do I do to my old 5.10 cd?
[10:37] <kbrooks> throw it out?
[10:37] <kbrooks> any ideas?
[10:38] <elcasey> eat it
[10:38] <kbrooks> very funny elcasey 
[10:38] <elcasey> i'm a laugh riot
[10:38] <kbrooks> ok, i think i'll throw it out.
[10:38] <elcasey> just save it
[10:38] <elcasey> for archival purposes
[10:38] <kbrooks> why might i need it?
[10:38] <tsmithe> elcasey, that's not true
[10:39] <elcasey> just to have
[10:39] <elcasey> what isn't?
[10:40] <tsmithe> that
[10:41] <kbrooks> tsmithe, clarify "that". elcasey obviously doesnt ge t you
[10:41] <tsmithe> well, he should
[10:41] <tsmithe> :'(
[10:41] <kbrooks> tsmithe, maybe i got you: the "$70 pmagic" part?
[10:41] <tsmithe> *huggles elcasey*
[10:42] <tsmithe> nope
 i'm a laugh riot
[10:42] <elcasey> :D
[10:42] <kbrooks> lol
[10:42] <elcasey> thanks, smitty...you're a real pal ;)
[10:42] <tsmithe> :)
[10:42] <tsmithe> i know :)
[10:43] <kbrooks> okay, i put ubuntu in a drawer - the house drawer \
[10:44] <kbrooks> we'll see about who picks it up, and I'll get more CDs resent to me if necessary for more "promotion"
[10:45] <elcasey> your house only has 1 drawer?
[10:45] <elcasey> I just ordered another 10
[10:46] <kbrooks> no
[10:47] <jenda> Hello Mr. Brooks ;)
[10:48] <kbrooks> i have a CD rack, with various CDs. (homemade CD rack). right now, i only have the (K)Ubuntu (6.06, 5.10 - ubuntu only) cds in the CD rack
[10:48] <kbrooks> the other 5 (?) cds are in the kitchen drawer waiting for someone to pick them up.
[10:49] <kbrooks> on this computer desk, i have 4 drawers, filled with stuff
[10:51] <kbrooks> jenda, hi
[10:52] <kbrooks> ping
[10:52] <kbrooks> ping
[10:52] <kbrooks> ping
[10:52] <kbrooks> test
[10:52] <kbrooks> am i online/
[10:52] <kbrooks> ?*
[10:52] <kbrooks> i'll brb, i need to unplug lappy
[11:02] <nixternal> yes
[11:02] <nixternal> you are online
[11:15] <jenda> no, you aren't ;)