[12:40] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[12:40] <StevenK> TheMuso: Hey
[12:44] <Tonio_> to whom is responsible for this, I just fixed aquamarine ftbfs issue, should be in the repos tomorrow
[12:46] <nixternal> Tonio_: you are now responsible for it :)
[12:47] <lupine_85> thanks Tonio_, I didn't realise it was still an issue
[12:48] <Tonio_> nixternal: hehe
[12:48] <Tonio_> lupine_85: just 2 builddeps missing, classic issue with kde apps : automake1.9 and autoconf
[12:49] <lupine_85> yeah, they always get me as well :D
[12:49] <Tonio_> lupine_85: another option could have been to apply buildprep, for for further maintainance, easier to had builddeps
[12:50] <Tonio_> I wanna see that beryl-kubuntu working out of the box hehe :)
[12:52] <lupine_85> :)
[12:52] <lupine_85> The settings profile probably needs some tweaking
[12:54] <Tonio_> lupine_85: if I have time to help, I'll do :)
[12:54] <Tonio_> lupine_85: I have quite some experience in configuring kde hehe :)
[12:54] <Tonio_> I may have some time in 10 days
[12:56] <Tonio_> lupine_85: concerning the autostart, is there something automated or do we have to manually create a ~/.kde/Autostart/ script ?
[12:58] <lupine_85> Tonio_: nothing automated at the moment
[12:58] <Tonio_> lupine_85: hum that's the asty part...
[12:59] <Tonio_> I mean someone installing beryl logically wants it autostarted
[12:59] <lupine_85> well, not if they have compiz installed as well
[12:59] <Tonio_> hum, makes sense
[12:59] <lupine_85> AIUI, the desktop-effects app is where it's all happening
[12:59] <Tonio_> well the point is that it would be nice to be able to graphically define autostart
[12:59] <Tonio_> not having to create a script for this
[01:00] <lupine_85> yeah. Doing it in desktop-effects ("enable/disable") might be the best way to go about it.
[01:00] <lupine_85> we're explicitly not allowed to have beryl-manager starting by default, however ;)
[01:01] <lupine_85> so a beryl --replace command with aquamarine --replace in the window decoration plugin is the way to go
[01:01] <Tonio_> lupine_85: hum, as compiz is the defalt choice..... indeed that makes sense
[01:01] <Tonio_> lupine_85: should eventually beryl confict with compiz ?
[01:01] <Burgwork> no
[01:01] <Fujitsu> Urgh, no.
[01:01] <Tonio_> I guess starting both at the same time creates a hudge mess no ? :)
[01:01] <lupine_85> nope
[01:02] <lupine_85> nah, whichever gets started second is the one that you end up using
[01:02] <Tonio_> lupine_85: ho nice :)
[01:02] <Tonio_> I thought that would create a pure mess in fact
[01:02] <Tonio_> I'm waiting for kde4 kwin in fact ;)
[01:02] <lupine_85> mm, me too
[01:06] <so1> does someone know why the qtcurve-* packages are missing in feisty?
[01:06] <so1> I used them in edgy to make kde not to look that ugly ...
[01:08] <Tonio_> it is always a pleasure to help someone insulting your work ;)
[01:09] <so1> ooops, are you the designer of the default themes of kde?
[01:09] <Tonio_> so1: not exactly, but I know the design team, and I helped on that part too :)
[01:09] <so1> good to know ...
[01:10] <Tonio_> okay seems to be removed indeed.... let's find why
[01:10] <Tonio_> so1: next time just say you really don't like it :)
[01:10] <so1> but looking at it, it seems the problem is more with how the widgets are drawn ... lines everywhere ... don't like it
[01:10] <so1> ^thought the same :-)
[01:11] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=qtcurve
[01:11] <Tonio_> looks like the package has been removed
[01:11] <Tonio_> or renamed
[01:11] <Tonio_> why searching for qtcurve leads to this one ?
[01:12] <Tonio_> strange.......
[01:12] <so1> mhh
[01:12] <so1> The Klearlook widget style for KDE
[01:12] <so1> Klearlook is a widget style for KDE that is based off
[01:12] <so1> the QtCurve style. As its name suggests, it is intended
[01:12] <so1> to be a KDE replica of the GTK theme "Clearlooks".
[01:12] <so1> Homepage: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31717
[01:12] <so1> maybe it searches the descriptions too ...
[01:13] <Tonio_> hum it probably replaced qtcurve as this one is maintained
[01:14] <so1> weird ... I don't find qtcurve in debian at all ...
[01:14] <so1> ok lets looks at it
[01:14] <Tonio_> lupine_85: argh!, why not reactos ? :)
[01:14] <joejaxx> lupine_85: lol
[01:14] <lupine_85> I loved RiscOS
[01:15] <lupine_85> 'though RiscOS never had wobbly windows, that I remember... :D
[01:15] <Tonio_> lupine_85: well I loved beos, but now I admit that would be quite ugly today
[01:16] <so1> http://download.tuxfamily.org/lnxteam/packages/QtCurve/
[01:16] <so1> qtcurve seems to be here ...
[01:17] <joejaxx> Tonio_: not really :P
[01:20] <so1> ok, qtcurve seems to be maintained
[01:21] <so1> last update on kde-look.org was from yesterday
[01:21] <so1> author seems to plan a kde4 port
[01:31] <esaym> what the deal with all the automake packages?  there is automake 1.4 through 1.9
[01:31] <esaym> should I install them all?
[01:31] <geser> no, only the needed version (perferable the last one)
[01:32] <geser> there are automake files around which don't work with the recent versions
[01:32] <esaym> I got an error with AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE in a configure.in script btw...
[01:32] <esaym> hmm
[01:32] <esaym> so maybe I should try ininstalling the 1.4 version and installing the 1.9 version?
[01:51] <esaym> grr, anyone got a clue? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11781/
[01:52] <zoli2k> Hi! I have problem with apache on a live usb distro derived from edgy.
[01:53] <zoli2k> apache 2 stops work when edgy is booted from usb
[01:53] <zoli2k> it simply does not forward jpg images and css files
[01:54] <Fujitsu> zoli2k: This isn't a support channel.
[01:54] <zul> zoli2k: not a support channel
[01:55] <zoli2k> But probably the #ubuntu channel is not the right place for development questions.
[01:55] <Fujitsu> That's not a development question...
[01:56] <zoli2k> I develop this usb distro based on edgy
[01:56] <zoli2k> and my problem is probably connected with the casper package
[01:56] <Fujitsu> It's a support question if Apache is not working.
[01:57] <zoli2k> which I use with cow filesystem enabled
[01:57] <zoli2k> probably this made the apache unusable 
[01:58] <zoli2k> so it is not an apache specific question
[01:59] <esaym> man my head hurts
[02:00] <keescook> ajmitch: ping
[02:01] <ajmitch> keescook: pong!
[02:01] <zoli2k> Only I hope, somebody can tell me if it is possible that casper in persistent mode may yield to  problems with other packages.
[02:02] <Fujitsu> keescook: When you have time, can you please have a look at the patch that I attached to bug #94238 a while ago?
[02:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 94238 in mpd "MPD Critical bug, please update to 0.12.2" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94238
[02:02] <keescook> ajmitch: so, I'm really late with this, but I'd like to get apparmor into universe.  I've been working with the suse guys, and I have a nice package that's all build and tested.  it has no external dependencies, does it have a chance for newpackagefreeze exception?
[02:02] <Fujitsu> We're officially closed as of beta freeze... But you could ask.
[02:02] <ajmitch> keescook: doesn't it require kernel changes, or can it be built as separate modules?
[02:02] <keescook> Fujitsu: ah!  yeah, I mean to get to that.
[02:03] <keescook> ajmitch: correct.  It's totally external (the modules get installed via m-a)
[02:03] <ajmitch> you'd have to do some fast talking, since it's not just me you'd need to convince :)
[02:03] <keescook> ajmitch: right, I realize that; who else do I need to convince?  I figure I can talk to pitti to help get it through NEW
[02:04] <ajmitch> dholbach, other motu-uvf people
[02:04] <ajmitch> as Fujitsu said, we're well into freeze time now
[02:05] <Fujitsu> I think it sounds OK, but I don't have any bearing on anything.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> freeze can be broken, for stuff that's deemed important enough
[02:05] <keescook> right, cool.  I just wanted to test the waters.  :)
[02:06] <ajmitch> plus it's not just j.random package on revu, I guess
[02:07] <keescook> though, ironically, I uploaded it to REVU just so people could stare at it.  ;)
[02:07] <ajmitch> hah
[02:07] <ajmitch> it'd probably make iwj happier than selinux would ;)
[02:08] <keescook> *rofl*
[02:08] <keescook> I don't think anyone picky is happy with any MAC solutions.  :)
[02:08] <Amaranth> so...
[02:08] <Amaranth> compiz and beryl are remerging
[02:08] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:09] <ajmitch> so I saw
[02:09] <Amaranth> offtopic but i have to tell everyone :)
[02:09] <ajmitch> it was already announced here :)
[02:09] <Amaranth> can we leave beryl in universe now? ;)
[02:09] <lupine_85> Amaranth: it, like, so got dugg
[02:09] <Amaranth> lupine_85: you're kidding
[02:09] <lupine_85> nope
[02:09] <lupine_85> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Beryl_to_re_merge_with_Compiz_soon
[02:09] <lupine_85> front page and everything
[02:09] <ajmitch> why are you surprised?
[02:09] <ajmitch> digg covers all sorts of inane crap ;)
[02:09] <lupine_85> heh, true enough
[02:10] <esaym> is there a substitute for AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE?  Or what do I need to have installed to that make can run the ./configure
[02:14] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:15] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: What do you think of a UVFe to fix bug #30344? It's currently completely unusable, and has been for a couple of releases.
[02:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30344 in gaphor "Gaphor doesn't start" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30344
[02:16] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: sounds sane enough
[02:17] <ajmitch> keescook: you may as well file a bug about apparmour & get feedback from the others - it's probably still a possibility
[02:17] <keescook> ajmitch: okay, I'll do that, thanks!
[02:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: ?
[02:20] <bddebian> I bow to your greatness! :-)
[02:21] <ajmitch> you're insane
[02:21] <ajmitch> CVS really sucks, btw
[02:21] <ajmitch> fedora people should stop using cvs
[02:21] <esaym> rofl
[02:21] <bddebian> cvs r0x j00!!
[02:22] <esaym> I got to learn fc to help students at school install it
[02:22] <esaym> and I am a student
[02:22] <ajmitch> many other projects have moved onto svn at least
[02:22] <bddebian> ajmitch: Not Hurd ;-P
[02:22] <lupine_85> I thought Hurd was engraved onto stone tablets?
[02:22] <Fujitsu> CVS does suck, that's why SVN exists.
[02:23] <Fujitsu> lupine_85: That too.
[02:23] <lupine_85> hence the slow progress... making commits involved chisels ;)
[02:23] <bddebian> lupine_85: Nah we moved to punch cards about 5 years ago ;-P
[02:23] <lupine_85> ah, good stuff :)
[02:23] <zul> at least their crack is public
[02:23] <lupine_85> the storage costs must have been immense
[02:24] <lupine_85> stone tablets over ip... now there's a thought
[02:24] <bddebian> Damn I'm a crackhead :-(
[02:26] <zul> umm..ok
[02:35] <Fujitsu> geser: Shouldn't those sync requests be confirmed?
[02:38] <bddebian> I don't know why I'm worrying about libticalcs2 when I pretty much have no way of getting tilp2 in at this point :'-(
[02:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: for the same reason I'm caring about other stuff I'm doing which won't see feisty
[02:41] <bddebian> Well I could have made it but like an idiot I was trying to do it in succession so all the build-deps were getting in the archive before uploading the next package :-(
[02:46] <ajmitch> you'll live
[02:48] <bddebian> Nooo... I'm withering away as I type here...
[02:48] <welshbyte> so what goes on around here after beta freeze?
[02:50] <ajmitch> shame
[02:50] <ajmitch> welshbyte: lots & lots of bug fixing
[02:51] <welshbyte> ah, same as usual then :)
[02:51] <ajmitch> we don't give up at beta release :)
[02:52] <welshbyte> i know, i was just wondering how the fixes got in once it's frozen
[02:52] <ajmitch> same as usual, we upload stuff
[02:52] <ajmitch> it's not completely frozen yet
[02:52] <ajmitch> that happens a few days before final release
[02:53] <welshbyte> ah ok :)
[02:53] <Lathiat> anyone about that can test something for me on feisty?
[02:53] <Lathiat> if you download a file with right click ->L save target as, and then change directory with the bookmarks on the left, do you lose the filename?
[02:54] <Lathiat> (in firefox)
[03:02] <crimsun> yay, after a day of hacking, this laptop's fully functional
[03:02] <ajmitch> well done
[03:02] <ajmitch> that was impressively fast
[03:02] <crimsun> now I'm going to celebrate my birthday by going to sleep
[03:02] <ajmitch> finally, I can type 'make'
[03:02] <zul> heh
[03:02] <ajmitch> night crimsun 
[03:03] <ajmitch> while it does that, I'm out for food :)
[03:03] <jetsaredim> is there any way to find out if a switch from edgy to feisty will cause problems before actually doing it?
[03:04] <crimsun> "sort of"
[03:04] <jetsaredim> like if repos you were using for edgy aren't there or something odd like that
[03:04] <crimsun> try the beta live cd
[03:04] <jetsaredim> hmm
[03:04] <jetsaredim> but that doesn't really tell you if anything will break cause that's like a fresh install vs upgrade
[03:05] <jetsaredim> know what i mean
[03:06] <crimsun> sure
[03:06] <jdong> jetsaredim: but it's still a good practice to check the beta livecd.
[03:06] <crimsun> OTOH, that's your closest ismulation
[03:06] <crimsun> bcm43xx sucks, btw
[03:07] <jdong> jetsaredim: we had one person in another support channel skip that step and end up with an unbootable kernel.
[03:07] <jetsaredim> awesome
[03:07] <jetsaredim> so try the herd 5 cd?
[03:07] <jdong> beta
[03:07] <jdong> beta is out.
[03:07] <jdong> check distrowatch
[03:07] <jetsaredim> ah
[03:09] <bddebian> ajmitch: Do you have any way to tag notes on your RC bug page?
[03:18] <bddebian> whoa I missed that it's crimsun's b-day??
[03:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> whoa
[03:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Happy Birthday, crimsun!
[03:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: Where'd you go darn it? :)
[03:28] <esaym> what would be a good section on the forum to ask about some troubles I am having while trying to compile a program?
[03:29] <esaym> there really needs to be a development section or something....
[03:29] <jdong> esaym: Programming might work.
[03:29] <esaym> thats what I was thinking
[03:29] <esaym> everything else seems resctriced
[03:29] <jdong> forum # 39
[03:29] <jdong> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=39
[03:29] <jdong> esaym: nothing should be restricted.... you must be a member to post, that's the only restriction
[03:30] <esaym> well yea, but what I ment was that it could not be put into the backports section
[03:30] <esaym> because that is official stuff only
[03:31] <jdong> esaym: you should be able to post in there.
[03:32] <esaym> Yea I can post, but the stickied thread said that section was for official programs only
[03:33] <jdong> esaym: hmm well I've done a very bad job of keeping stickes up to date then :)
[03:34] <esaym> well I am going to stick it in programming anyway
[03:35] <esaym> thats the error I am getting btw http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11781/
[03:35] <jdong> programming form is probably best for that
[03:35] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: aquamarine died on all arches.  did you test build that before uploading?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> in a clean chroot / pbuilder?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> needs a build-dep on automake-1.9
[03:36] <Hobbsee> not a recommends
[03:36] <esaym> Hobbsee:  you talking to me?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> esaym: no, lupine_85 
[03:37] <esaym> oh :(
[03:37] <Hobbsee> esaym: you'd have to post the configure file somewhere too.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ./configure: line 1443: syntax error near unexpected token `soundkonverter,'
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ./configure: line 1443: `AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(soundkonverter, 0.3.1)'
[03:37] <esaym> yea I am going to make a thread about it
[03:38] <crimsun> probably needs at least an autoreconf
[03:38] <esaym> it is like auto make is screwed up or something
[03:38] <bddebian> do be do be doo
[03:38] <esaym> what is autoreconf?
[03:38] <esaym> a file?
[03:38] <bddebian> autoreconf -f -i
[03:39] <bddebian> instead of having to do: aclocal autoheader automake
[03:39] <bddebian> I think :-)
[03:40] <esaym> I was using dpkg-buildpackage
[03:40] <esaym> make gives the same error though
[03:40] <bddebian> You would need to autoreconf before bulding the package
[03:41] <bddebian> It generates new configure and makefile "stuff"
[03:41] <esaym> so autoreconf -f -i and then do dpkg-buildpackage?
[03:41] <bddebian> I think that's what they are saying but I have barely been paying attention :)
[03:42] <esaym> hmm, same error, only in configure.in
[03:44] <bddebian> Actually it looks like AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(pkg, version) is deprecated, you might want to take a look at that
[03:45] <esaym> but how can the package name be deprecated (soundkonverter)?
[03:46] <Fujitsu> esaym: soundkonverter is already packaged.... Why are you compiling it?
[03:46] <esaym> for fun, and for dapper
[03:46] <esaym> the one on dapper is beta
[03:47] <bddebian> esaym: No, just the use of package and version in AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE() is deprecated
[03:47] <bddebian> http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Public-macros.html
[03:47] <bddebian> But that may or may not be your problem
[03:50] <esaym> interesting, so the author could be using old stuff?
[03:50] <bddebian> possible
[03:50] <bddebian> did it build-dep on an early version of automake?
[03:51] <bddebian> damnit, where did ajmitch go??
[03:52] <bddebian> w00t, go welshbyte
[03:52] <welshbyte> w00t, go bddebian 
[03:52] <bddebian> heh
[04:07] <joejaxx> hello all
[04:07] <joejaxx> :)
[04:09] <bddebian> Heya joejaxx
[04:09] <joejaxx> hello bddebian 
[04:09] <joejaxx> how are you?
[04:13] <bddebian> OK thanks, you?
[04:13] <joejaxx> that is good
[04:13] <joejaxx> i am well at the moment
[04:13] <esaym> well there's the thread, man I am burned out for today http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=391970
[04:21] <ajmitch> hello joejaxx 
[04:22] <joejaxx> hello ajmitch 
[04:22] <joejaxx> ajmitch: how are you?
[04:22] <joejaxx> rexbron: :P
[04:22] <ajmitch> alright
[04:23] <joejaxx> that is good
[04:23] <ajmitch> trying to get something built
[04:23] <joejaxx> me too
[04:23] <StevenK> #95321: suspend/resume (RAM) fails for usb rootfs
[04:23] <rexbron> hey joejaxx
[04:23] <jdong> bug 95321
[04:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95321 in Ubuntu "suspend/resume (RAM) fails for usb rootfs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95321
[04:23] <StevenK> Hrm. I thought the suspend/resume scripts removed the hcd drivers.
[04:23] <jdong> StevenK: yeah I can confirm that for sure :)
[04:23] <jdong> StevenK: but I expect that was a limitation of Linux....
[04:24] <jdong> StevenK: presumably too much of the system unthaws before the usb block device is reprobed.
[04:24] <jdong> but I'm not an ACPI guy....
[04:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: bah, I can't fix anything.. :-(
[04:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: BTW, you have any way to make notes on your RC bug page?
[04:27] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: f-spot bugs
[04:27] <Burgundavia> can I close needs info from more than 6 months?'
[04:28] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: depends on the bug
[04:29] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: old crashers were you pinged the user in sept 2006
[04:29] <ajmitch> ok
[04:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: I was going to
[04:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well libembperl-perl won't build because it wants a newer apache2-prefork-dev than we have :-(
[04:34] <StevenK> Oh my. I was just discussing that package in #debian-devel
[04:34] <StevenK> Haven't we deja'd this vu?
[04:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's a shame
[04:38] <Burgundavia> is there any place in Ubuntu that lists bugs by package?
[04:38] <Burgundavia> s/ubuntu/lp/
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: uh, launchpad
[04:39] <Burgundavia> ya, I caught that
[04:39] <Burgundavia> tired
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<source package>/+bugs
[04:39] <Burgundavia> work was hell today. bloody alarm tech cut half the wiring in the building
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ugh
[04:39] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: no, I want a list of all packages and numbers of bugs, in a table
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: ahhh...
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: oh, that...
[04:40] <Burgundavia> hmm, who is Matt Proud
[04:40] <Burgundavia> ?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: if you can find a team that's a package contact for all bugs, you can use https://beta.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
[04:40] <Burgundavia> right
[04:40] <Hobbsee> dont know of any other way
[04:42] <StevenK> launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs gives you all open bugs
[04:42] <Burgundavia> that isn't helpful
[04:42] <Burgundavia> ugh
[04:43] <StevenK> Burgundavia: Then you can search for all Universe with a bitesize tag or so.
[04:44] <bddebian> StevenK: Which package, libembperl-perl?
[04:44] <StevenK> bddebian: Yup
[04:44] <bddebian> heh
[04:44] <bddebian> Could probably drop the build-dep ver for apache2-prefork-dev to 3.2 but I haven't tried it
[04:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: you requested a sync of ldap-account-manager 1.2.0, when 1.1.1-2 has the security fix
[04:55] <ajmitch> (testing-proposed-updates vs unstable)
[04:57] <bddebian> Huh?
[04:58] <bddebian> Oh
[04:58] <bddebian> Why not just get the latest?
[04:58] <ajmitch> why get the latest?
[04:59] <bddebian> So reject it
[05:00] <ajmitch> it's just hard to justify to everyone involved why it should go in, apart from it being newer
[05:01] <ajmitch> changelog wasn't particularly informative
[05:01] <bddebian> No worries, I just misread the page, so reject it
[05:02] <StevenK> bddebian: 7 14 92 12 8 54 4
[05:02] <bddebian> aaaahhh
[05:03] <jdong> StevenK: how'd you get my calc exam grades!
[05:03] <StevenK> jdong: Lucky guess
[05:03] <jdong> argh well you're not gettin my jackpot
[05:03] <StevenK> jdong: Your backport bugs? You can keep those. :-P
[05:03] <jdong> lol
[05:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: ok, enjoy
[05:07] <bddebian> Egads gnucash
[05:09] <racarr> when does archive freeze end?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> 24 hrs, apparently
[05:10] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hi aj
[05:13] <keescook> ajmitch: okay, bug 95334 is ready.
[05:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95334 in Ubuntu "freeze exception: new package apparmor" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95334
[05:14] <ajmitch> k, thanks
[05:21] <keescook> siretart, crimsun: I gotta beg you guys on that bug too.  :)
[05:22] <keescook> sweet
[05:22] <ajmitch> should have done it long ago
[05:32] <joejaxx> has anyone here installed ubuntu on a computer with a pci2ide card?
[05:32] <joejaxx> pci2ata i should say
[05:33] <crimsun> keescook: looks good to me, +1
[05:33] <joejaxx> ajmitch: :)
[05:34] <TheMuso> joejaxx: Yes.
[05:34] <TheMuso> I have two machines running off two such cards here.
[05:34] <TheMuso> I did an install of the beta yesterday on one of them, with no problems.
[05:34] <joejaxx> TheMuso: yeah it is messing up for me
[05:34] <TheMuso> joejaxx: What chipset?
[05:35] <joejaxx> TheMuso: i would have to look
[05:35] <TheMuso> Both mine are silicon image chipsets.
[05:36] <joejaxx> TheMuso: i would have to look
[05:36] <TheMuso> As you said.
[05:36] <joejaxx> but the problem is
[05:36] <TheMuso> Do you have a custom setup such as LVM/Software RAID?
[05:36] <joejaxx> i installed ubuntu restarted and was dropped to a busybox shell
[05:36] <TheMuso> Oh and how is it messing up?
[05:36] <TheMuso> Probably its got the wrong root.
[05:36] <TheMuso> root device even.
[05:36] <joejaxx> TheMuso: nope not yet
[05:36] <TheMuso> ok
[05:37] <TheMuso> If you know the module it uses, at least you can attempt to load that module using the shell and see what device nodes are created.
[05:37] <joejaxx> TheMuso: it recognizes the drives
[05:38] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:38] <joejaxx> i installed ubuntu to the drive on the mobo ide0
[05:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: That one OK? :)
[05:38] <joejaxx> not the pci2ata one
[05:38] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:39] <TheMuso> I have seen similar behavior before, and would say that the kernel is being given the wrong root device.
[05:39] <keescook> crimsun: sweet, thanks.
[05:39] <TheMuso> Mind you, since UUIDs are used now, I am not so sure about that.
[05:40] <joejaxx> yeah
[05:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: sorry?
[05:40] <TheMuso> You could mount the root device from busybox, and let the boot continue. Once into the install, rebuild initramfs/reconfigure grub.
[05:42] <bddebian> ajmitch: Never mind, I'm being a smart ass
[05:44] <ajmitch> fine
[05:45] <keescook> crimsun, ajmitch: it's not clear to me how many motu-uvf's I need to ACK the exception?  the 2007-02-23 meeting notes don't make it clear.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> keescook: 2.
[05:47] <keescook> Hobbsee: okay, cool.  Then I'll poke ajmitch some more.  :)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> keescook: :)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> keescook: take the cluebat, though. you may need it
[05:48] <keescook> Hobbsee: uh-oh.  what'd I miss?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> keescook: for uvfe's :)
[05:49] <ajmitch> keescook: what should we set the going rate at?
[05:50] <keescook> they have lots of wine in seville, right?  :)
[05:50] <ajmitch> heh
[05:51] <ajmitch> it'd be good to have in universe for now & have some feedback for feisty+1
[05:51] <keescook> ajmitch: that's why I've been cramming to try and get it in.  :)
[05:51] <Burgundavia> you see Novell did another NIH with thin clients?
[05:52] <keescook> it's not perfect, and needs more packages (libapparmor, etc etc) but this gets basic functionality.
[05:52] <Burgundavia> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1241507,00.html
[05:52] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: nope, what did they do?
[05:52] <bddebian> NIH?
[05:52] <Burgundavia> not invented here
[05:52] <bddebian> ah
[05:52] <Burgundavia> a derogatory term for people developing their own solution before looking around them
[05:52] <Burgundavia> Novell is really bad at it
[05:53] <keescook> ajmitch, crimsun: okay, so that's a confirmation?  should I go ahead and upload it so Mithrandir can beat me over the head with the NEW stick?
[05:53] <ajmitch> keescook: I'm sure he'll be nice about it
[05:53] <keescook> heh
[05:53] <ajmitch> now I think iwj offered to help with source NEW recently..
[05:53] <keescook> cool
[05:53] <crimsun> keescook: sure, paste the irc log in a comment just to be thorough
[05:53] <keescook> crimsun: okay, thanks.
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> Say, anyone know who the contact for the 'ati' driver is?
[05:56] <crimsun> triaging contact? upstream contact? upstream upstream contact?
[05:57] <tonyyarusso> Erm, "It got borked in recent Feisty updates and is seriously crummy atm; wondering if you have any idea why?" contact.
[05:57] <crimsun> that's the first.
[05:58] <crimsun> It'll get to the correct person automatically when filed against the correct source package
[05:58] <tonyyarusso> Ah, cool.
[05:58] <crimsun> (Timo) tepsi.pakki cares for them, generally
[05:58] <crimsun> (fullstop intentional)
[06:03] <ajmitch> LaserJock!
[06:03] <LaserJock> hi guys
[06:03] <bddebian> heya LaserJock
[06:03] <bddebian> Now, gnight folks :-)
[06:03] <LaserJock> man, you're leaving?
[06:04] <bddebian> Was planning on it, you need something?
[06:04] <ajmitch> bye bddebian 
[06:04] <LaserJock> bddebian: nah, just sad to see you go ;-)
[06:05] <LaserJock> I had a meeting this morning, took the car to the shop, and drove to my grandpa's house
[06:05] <bddebian> Heh, thx LaserJock, glad someone thinks so :-)
[06:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: I care
[06:05] <ajmitch> aw
[06:05] <LaserJock> so I haven't done anything *buntu today
[06:05] <LaserJock> ajmitch: gotta be quick
[06:05] <ajmitch> yeah
[06:06] <ajmitch> oh good, slapd.conf at least allows doing include /path/to/file
[06:06] <ajmitch> I wonder if it can include all files in a directory
[06:07] <ajmitch> hm even better
[06:07] <ajmitch> 2.3 lets it be in the directory itself
[06:29] <LaserJock> hmmm, SoC applications
[06:33] <ajmitch> hm?
[06:34] <LaserJock> I finally got my mentorship app approved
[06:34] <ajmitch> ah sweet
[06:34] <LaserJock> I see 81 applications
[06:43] <welshbyte> is my patch on bug #71753 usable at all?
[06:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71753 in xpdf "Incorrect path in man page" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71753
[06:44] <welshbyte> i just used it as an excuse to relearn the packaging/patching tools
[06:49] <racarr> Hi RAOF
[06:49] <RAOF> Howdie
[06:50] <RAOF> Got anyone more knowlegeable than me to review your desktop-effects yet?
[06:50] <racarr> no but it's been suggested that I just patch the C version for now
[06:51] <racarr> and replace it with the python version in feisty+1
[06:51] <racarr> so I'll do that later tonight
[06:51] <RAOF> Yeah, I can sympathise with that.
[06:51] <racarr> also, PM
[07:10] <RAOF> racarr: Ping?  PM?
[07:11] <racarr> RAOF: Eh?
[07:11] <racarr> What I meant was I had sent you a few PMs and you didn't seem to have noticed
[07:11] <RAOF> I was just wondering whether you'd seen any of the PM spam I've been sending you :)
[07:11] <racarr> err
[07:11] <racarr> no
[07:11] <racarr> none at all
[07:12] <RAOF> Oh, that's not good.
[07:16] <imbrandon> zomg
[07:16] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ?
[07:17] <imbrandon> i'm busy as hell atm and cant make an educated statement on beryl atm, but just "wtf"
[07:17] <imbrandon> a new name again ?
[07:17] <imbrandon> if they wanna merge do it under the name compiz 
[07:17] <LaserJock> yeah, I didn't catch that. What happened?
[07:17] <imbrandon> LaserJock, read planet
[07:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: of course, it's a new week
[07:17] <imbrandon> i gotta fix a damn raid container at work, i'll be back in a few
[07:21] <racarr> LaserJock: Basically a few of us have been trying to merge with Compiz under a new name for around a month now
[07:21] <racarr> LaserJock: And Quinn finally came around to it, which is good because she was the only one not for it
[07:23] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:24] <nixternal> oi
[07:24] <LaserJock> seems like having a 3rd name is kinda mesy
[07:24] <imbrandon> racarr, i'm all for it too but he should work with the original project to merge under the name compiz, what they forked from, thats how it works
[07:24] <nixternal> LaserJock: just name it CrAp
[07:24] <LaserJock> nixternal: now now
[07:24] <nixternal> hehe
[07:24] <imbrandon> nixternal, ...
[07:24] <nixternal> ..., nodnarbmi
[07:24] <LaserJock> lol
[07:25] <racarr> imbrandon: It's a bit different than that
[07:25] <nixternal> man, that was tough this late at night
[07:25] <racarr> imbrandon: 1. This isn't Beryl deciding they don't want to be a fork anymore, it's as much of an effort from Compiz as from Beryl.
[07:26] <racarr> and 2. The community is uncomfortable with just folding in under the name Compiz, as most everything from Beryl will be merged in to the new project
[07:26] <racarr> which means the codebase will be about 2/3rds Beryl, and 1/3rd Compiz
[07:26] <LaserJock> but still, seems hard for users
[07:26] <nixternal> just change that big ol' red ruby/diamond icon is all I ask :)
[07:27] <Fujitsu> Anybody on feisty/amd64 who can test if bug #2382 is still present?
[07:27] <racarr> maybe, but theres a lot of hostility between our communities LaserJock, and I think if we merged under either of the existing names
[07:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2382 in mysql-query-browser "mySQL Query Browser segfaults on AMD64" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2382
[07:27] <racarr> that hostility would remain
[07:27] <LaserJock> well, I can understand
[07:27] <RAOF> Fujitsu: I'll have a look
[07:27] <LaserJock> it's just frustrating when we just got all the packages in the repos
[07:27] <Fujitsu> Thanks RAOF. We've got a tonne of old bugs :(
[07:28] <nixternal> LaserJock: oh, I didn't even think about that
[07:28] <imbrandon> racarr, no whats going to happen is some will still use compiz, some will use beryl and some will use this new hybrid
[07:28] <imbrandon> i've seen it before
[07:28] <racarr> LaserJock: Understandable
[07:28] <Ardekantur> Hello all - I'm having some trouble submitting a source package to REVU, could anyone help me?
[07:28] <racarr> imbrandon: Eh, I think that should fade pretty quickly because we can update all the repos that offer Beryl to use the new hybrid
[07:28] <racarr> site redirects, etc
[07:28] <imbrandon> you need to forget the animosity , get over it, and use one or the other, man this really really hit a nerve
[07:29] <RAOF> Fujitsu: Oh, looking at the actual bug I don't think I have a remote sql server to connect to.
[07:29] <imbrandon> racarr, not just ubuntu, the linux community in general
[07:29] <Hobbsee> Ardekantur: what problem?
[07:29] <imbrandon> brb
[07:29] <racarr> well yes but we can get the same thing done for gentoo, opensuse, etc easily
[07:29] <RAOF> Fujitsu: I don't suppose you've got a public test type server?
[07:29] <Fujitsu> RAOF: No, sorry.
[07:30] <RAOF> Hm.
[07:30] <RAOF> I'll see what I can do.
[07:30] <imbrandon> racarr, its not about a distro, its about the flimsy flip flop
[07:30] <nixternal> I don't think it as a huge issue, just merge, drop all of the old. leave a note at the old hotel saying we in this room now, please come here instead
[07:30] <Ardekantur> Hobbsee - I've registered in Launchpad, created a GPG key, signed the code of conduct, added myself to the universal contributor's group, retrieved the amulet of yendor, and I didn't get a notification when I dput my signed source binary
[07:30] <nixternal> however the packages that recently made it in is going to be the big pain
[07:30] <Ardekantur> ~source package
[07:30] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'm happy that they're open to merging, at least
[07:30] <Hobbsee> Ardekantur: is it actually on revu?
[07:30] <imbrandon> racarr, i spent a week in the same room with Quinn trying to get him to do this 6 months ago at google
[07:30] <Hobbsee> Ardekantur: in the web interface?
[07:31] <imbrandon> ajmitch, +1
[07:31] <Ardekantur> Hobbsee, do you mean the front page of http://revu.tauware.de/ ?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Ardekantur: yep
[07:31] <LaserJock> Ardekantur: yes
[07:31] <Ardekantur> no, fraid not
[07:31] <Ardekantur> the package name is asciidoc
[07:32] <Hobbsee> Ardekantur: did you get the keyring synced?
[07:32] <racarr> imbrandon: pm
[07:32] <Hobbsee> Ardekantur: er, how long ago did you uplaod this?
[07:32] <Ardekantur> Hobbsee, i'm not sure, and yesterday
[07:33] <LaserJock> Ardekantur: you need to make the package for feisty no unstable
[07:33] <LaserJock> *not
[07:34] <Ardekantur> LaserJock - whoops :) should I try that and reupload to see if it shows up in five minutes?
[07:35] <ajmitch> no
[07:35] <ajmitch> wait about 1 minute & it should hopefully show
[07:35] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it's ok to hae it unstable?
[07:35] <LaserJock> *have
[07:35] <ajmitch> hm no, looks like it rejected again
[07:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: of course not, but it won't cause a reject
[07:36] <LaserJock> it won't?
[07:36] <LaserJock> I thought it rejected Debian releases
[07:37] <ajmitch> shouldn't do
[07:37] <Ardekantur> I wasn't sure what the version number should be, because it's a major version change of a package that was originally in Debian
[07:37] <Fujitsu> It's not intelligent enough to look at it, LaserJoc.
[07:37] <Fujitsu> *LaserJock
[07:38] <ajmitch> Ardekantur: ok, are you sure you joined the team on launchpad?
[07:38] <ajmitch> and that you have your gpg key on launchpad?
[07:38] <ajmitch> gpg: Signature made Thu 22 Mar 2007 12:03:16 PM EDT using DSA key ID 9EE43354
[07:38] <ajmitch> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[07:38] <ajmitch> given that I resynced the keyring about an hour ago, it should have picked up your one if it's on lp
[07:39] <Ardekantur> i don't remember which order I did things in :/
[07:39] <ajmitch> lp username?
[07:39] <Ardekantur> ~mcs532
[07:40] <ajmitch> heh
[07:40] <ajmitch> " Contributors of packages for ubuntu universe
[07:40] <ajmitch> Joined 57 minutes ago "
[07:41] <ajmitch> so you uploaded yesterday but only just joined
[07:43] <Ardekantur> ajmitch, i figured if it saw that i joined it might retroactively do something 
[07:43] <ajmitch> nope
[07:43] <ajmitch> not unless the upload is requeued manually
[07:44] <Ardekantur> ah
[07:49] <ajmitch> Ardekantur: it should be there now
[07:50] <Ardekantur> ajmitch, Yes! Very much so. Thanks for your time and help.
[07:56] <welshbyte> oops forgot to sleep, better get some caffeine in me
[08:29] <keescook> aaah, sweet.  feels good to get that mythtv update out.
[09:17] <imbrandon> ahhh back to normal
[09:17] <imbrandon> or semi normal
[09:18] <imbrandon> anyone still awake , or just me ;)
[09:18] <imbrandon> ajmitch, howd the unmet deps bug stuff go ?
[09:38] <racarr> I'm mostly awake
[09:38] <racarr> :p
[11:04] <imbrandon> ...
[11:06] <Nafallo> imbrandon: do I have a jabberaccount on ubuntuwire.com? :-)
[11:06] <imbrandon> lemme look
[11:09] <imbrandon> Nafallo, i just restarted the webui , on sec
[11:10] <imbrandon> one*
[11:10] <Nafallo> sure :-)
[11:10] <Nafallo> seems I can't connect to the server anyway :-/
[11:10] <imbrandon> it shows you as online now
[11:10] <Nafallo> yea, now :-)
[11:10] <Nafallo> thanks :-)
[11:11] <imbrandon> 2   nafallo    silverfairy   Authenticated   [User is connected via SSL]    [Online]    Online   50 83.xxx.xxx.x
[11:11] <imbrandon> okies
[11:11] <Nafallo> so who else is there? :-P
[11:11] <Nafallo> we should have a shared roaster with all MOTUs ;-)
[11:11] <Nafallo> or something :-)
[11:12] <imbrandon> atm only 6 people reconnected ( i ended up killhuping the server )
[11:12] <imbrandon> yea i can make a MOTU group, but its kinda redundant with irc and all ;)
[11:12] <imbrandon> 194 accounts :)
[11:13] <Nafallo> oh. are we that many? :-)
[11:13] <imbrandon> on ubuntuwire , MOTU + coredev is only 72
[11:13] <Nafallo> ah :-)
[11:15] <imbrandon> Nafallo, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/acct-blah.txt
[11:15] <imbrandon> thats the motu + core-dev list
[11:22] <ajmitch> evening
[11:22] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[11:23] <Nafallo> morning ajmitch :-)
[11:23] <imbrandon> ajmitch, know if compact flash cards have the same limited write cycles that usb flash sticks have ?
[11:25] <ajmitch> imbrandon: afaik they do
[11:25] <ajmitch> just mount stuff noatime, don't use a journal, etc
[11:25] <imbrandon> yea
[11:25] <ajmitch> though you may be ok with ext3 & a journal
[11:26] <ajmitch> flatmate has a box downstairs with ubuntu on a 1GB CF card
[11:26] <ajmitch> actually no, it's etch :)
[11:26] <imbrandon> cool, yea i have a p2 500 with heatsync and such, would be a nice no moving parts quite system
[11:27] <imbrandon> something just to goof with at home
[11:27] <imbrandon> not even sure what i would use it for 
[11:27] <imbrandon> i have dhcp/dns/file/web server already
[11:27] <imbrandon> ( for the house )
[11:29] <ajmitch> heh
[11:29] <ajmitch> the box he's using is a p166
[11:29] <ajmitch> 64MB RAM
[11:29] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:29] <ajmitch> using it for uni stuff, to experiment with routing stuff
[11:30] <imbrandon> yea this is a p2 500 with 128mb ram i just had arround
[11:30] <imbrandon> not even a case for it atm, just proc board,ram,power,cf+ide card
[11:30] <imbrandon> heh
[11:31] <ajmitch> he picked up 17 boxes I think
[11:31] <imbrandon> if i had the money i would get a mini-itx and make soemthing cool, maybe next payday
[11:32] <ajmitch> ex-uni that probably would have been thrown out
[11:34] <imbrandon> ;)\
[11:35] <imbrandon> yea i've been meaning to set ccache up on the buildd pbuilders
[11:35] <imbrandon> they are already pretty fast with the new gdebi script though ;)
[11:35] <ajmitch> oh that's easy
[11:36] <imbrandon> oh yea i know, i've done it 1000 times, just havent got to it there yet
[11:36] <ajmitch> I'm not sure how well things will turn out with LVM snapshots
[11:36] <ajmitch> siretart has been having some issues still with snapshots
[11:37] <imbrandon> that 160 is still in the server hooked up, just not mounted
[11:37] <imbrandon> if you need a testbed/drive
[11:37] <siretart> ajmitch: only in feisty :/
[11:37] <imbrandon> aurora and intrepid are feisty 
[11:37] <DarkSun88> Hi
[11:37] <siretart> ajmitch: in edgy, things were working very fine. same in debian
[11:37] <imbrandon> hello 
[11:40] <ajmitch> siretart: worrying
[11:40] <ajmitch> imbrandon has upgraded aurora to feisty :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> (iirc)
[11:40] <ajmitch> ah yes, you just mentioned that
[11:41] <imbrandon> yea it was the easiest way to get lvm + gdebi pbuilders working right
[11:41] <siretart> ajmitch: the bugs are reported in lp, but it seems that nobody really knows an answer. I'm not ever sure if it's udev, dm-setup or whatever which is being so racy :/
[11:41] <imbrandon> without backporting a ton of cruft
[11:42] <siretart> ajmitch: I really do hope that new upstream versions of dm-setup, libdevmapper, udev and so on will fix things at the beginning of goofy
[11:42] <StevenK> Goofy!?
[11:42] <imbrandon> lol
[11:42] <imbrandon> StevenK, shush
[11:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:42] <StevenK> I'm *not* uploading to a release called goofy
[11:43] <siretart> ;)
[11:43] <siretart> StevenK: just a joke from my side. I have really no idea how feisty+1 will be called
[11:43] <imbrandon> hum i wonder how a uvf for swfdec would look post-beta ;)
[11:43] <Nafallo> siretart: I have that aswell :-)
[11:44] <siretart> imbrandon: nah, youtube sucks anyway..
[11:44] <siretart> ;)
[11:44] <imbrandon> siretart, hahaha you had the same idea ? heh
[11:44] <siretart> isn't xine 1.1.4 able to decode flvs?
[11:44] <imbrandon> siretart, since you and StevenK are both -uvf ( correct ? ) you think its worth my time to prepare a diff and such ?
[11:45] <ajmitch> aha!
[11:45] <StevenK> Hrm. Didn't we have the same discussion for Feisty before it was named.
[11:45] <imbrandon> siretart, yea but its a pita
[11:45] <StevenK> imbrandon: I'm -sru, not -uvf
[11:45] <ajmitch> *finally* fixed the FDS build
[11:45] <ajmitch> 1 missing -D in the flags
[11:45] <imbrandon> ahh right StevenK 
[11:45] <StevenK> Although it appears -sru doesn't exist, etc etc
[11:46] <imbrandon> who is -uvf?
[11:46] <siretart> -sru doesn't exist any longer
[11:46] <imbrandon> sru exists, i just did a mod-mono a few days ago ;)
[11:46] <StevenK> imbrandon: ^
[11:46] <imbrandon> oh ?
[11:46] <siretart> imbrandon: http://launchpad.net/~motu-uvf
[11:47] <imbrandon> how is there no sru ?
[11:47] <Hobbsee> procedure changed
[11:47] <imbrandon> i know but the new proceedures still call for a sru to upload
[11:47] <imbrandon> trust me i JUST did it , unless it changed again in the last 48 hours
[11:48] <ajmitch> but I'm vague on it
[11:48] <ajmitch> which is a bad sign, since I'm meant to know
[11:48] <imbrandon> they can to -proposed, but the final upload must be done by sru per the new policy
[11:49] <imbrandon> to -updates
[11:49] <siretart> imbrandon: the new procedure is that you upload directly to -proposed and call for testing
[11:49] <imbrandon> right, then once tested and 7days past, sru prepares an upload to -updates ( untill the souyz supports direct import )
[11:50] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[11:50] <Fujitsu> -sru ceased to exist some weeks ago.
[11:50] <Fujitsu> That page is wrong..
[11:50] <Fujitsu> It hasn't been properly updated.
[11:51] <ajmitch> if someone could properly update it please
[11:51] <Fujitsu> I remember seeing in an email `motu-sru ceases to exist'
[11:51] <imbrandon> then fix it, because thats what we popint poeple to including myself that foloowed it two days ago
[11:51] <ajmitch> whoever *knows* what the agreed-on procedure is :)
[11:51] <ajmitch> yay, shiny toys for me to play with
[11:52] <imbrandon> hum, not having someone look over sru's , bwhahahaha i can now update gnome with an sru and my other two LP accounts ;)
[11:52] <imbrandon> bwhahahahaha world domination ;)
[11:52] <StevenK> Oh look, ajmitch is in Dubya mode
[11:53] <ajmitch> StevenK: I think you mean imbrandon is in dubya mode (world domination, etc)
[11:54] <StevenK> ajmitch: No, no... "Oh, I don't know what the procedure i ...... oooooh, shiny toys for me to play with!"
[11:54] <ajmitch> StevenK: I've been trying to get this thing built for a few hours
[11:54] <siretart> ok, updated
[11:54] <ajmitch> but I got it going after I went out with friends & had a drink
[11:54] <ajmitch> see, beer solves all
[11:55] <imbrandon> heh
[11:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:55] <imbrandon> siretart, thanks
[11:56] <imbrandon> time for a smoke, bbiab
[11:56] <imbrandon> l8tr siretart 
[11:56] <Fujitsu> Bye siretart.
[11:56] <StevenK> Heh. Something.
[11:56] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you have a good throw to get them here
[11:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed.
[11:56] <Fujitsu> Well, I can't use Hobbsee's stick, or I get kicked... And there's nothing else around.
[11:59] <ajmitch> fun, some americans are still annoyed at NZ over the no nuclear weapons thing
[12:00] <Fujitsu> See, they're so cool.
[12:00] <ajmitch> thanks, I can use these
[12:08] <jekil> hi
[12:08] <Monk-e> hi
[12:09] <lupine_85> Hobbsee: Tonio uploaded it, not me :/. is it still b0rken?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: 0ubuntu1 is.  apparently 2 fixed it, but i've not seen that in the archive
[12:10] <ajmitch> this should be interesting
[12:10] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: not the source of it, nor the binary
[12:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: not our version, presumably.  would take a while to merge.  then again, if it's new, may as well be shoved in.
[12:11] <lupine_85> hmm. wonder where that's gotton to, then
[12:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: seeing as bling doesnt obey freezes
[12:12] <Hobbsee> which would also negate a lot of the reviewing, which people wont be too impressed about
[12:12] <lupine_85> 0.2 branch is quite different from master, so it makes sense to keep it in feisty
[12:13] <ajmitch> isn't most of the new stuff in beryl in the plugins?
[12:13] <lupine_85> no
[12:13] <lupine_85> Copy mode rendering, for instance...
[12:14] <ajmitch> if that can be merged in
[12:14] <ajmitch> & not rejected for being an ugly hack
[12:14] <lupine_85> heh. It's a hack, but not really ugly
[12:14] <ajmitch> iirc that was done at the last UDS
[12:14] <lupine_85> just theoretically slower
[12:15] <ajmitch> theoretically more memory-hungry too, aiui
[12:15] <lupine_85> yep... but people with terrible nVidia cards like it because it means they don't have to use Xgl
[12:15] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:15] <lupine_85> there's a bunch of other stuff as well; we're going to try to get as much merged as possible I think
[12:17] <poningru> what?
[12:17] <poningru> beer?
[12:18] <poningru> someone said beer
[12:18] <Nafallo> lol
[12:18] <imbrandon> it would be scarry to see a bunch of ubuntu devs in a room drinking beer/whiskey and packaging , oh wait thats UDS :)
[12:19] <Nafallo> haha
[12:19] <lupine_85> mmm whiskey
[12:20] <lupine_85> Highland Park, I presume?
[12:21] <imbrandon> highly doubtfull , normaly what ever mdz shows up with ;)
[12:21] <lupine_85> urgh, cheap whiskey :/
[12:21] <imbrandon> no, not cheap 
[12:21] <imbrandon> just his choice ;)
[12:21] <ajmitch> mmm, whiskey...
[12:22] <ajmitch> but it was a birthday present for a flatmate
[12:22] <ajmitch> port can be nice
[12:22] <poningru> or vodka
[12:22] <poningru> mmm potato vodka
[12:22] <Nafallo> why did I read flamemate? :-)
[12:23] <lupine_85> ah, ok
[12:23] <lupine_85> as long as it's not Bell's, I guess :D
[12:24] <lupine_85> so should I try to reupload aquamarine? It seems two others have, and the packages seem to be getting swallowed....
[12:24] <TomaszD> did anyone say vodka?
[12:24] <lupine_85> cinnamon vodka!
[12:25] <StevenK> Fujitsu: s/happily //
[12:25] <StevenK> You're a teenager, you're supposed to be angst-ridden!
[12:26] <TomaszD> cinnamon nah, currant vodka, now that's tasty
[12:26] <StevenK> It has no affect!
[12:26] <TomaszD> bbl
[12:28] <Fujitsu> Damn damn damn.
[12:28] <Fujitsu> I should have thought of that.
[12:28] <Fujitsu> Too obvious.
[12:28] <StevenK> Don't try fire. Debian Developers are impervious to flame!
[12:28] <StevenK> :-P
[12:28] <Fujitsu> Hahah, true.
[12:31] <ajmitch> Debian Developers are creatures of fire
[12:31] <ajmitch> just don't feed the energy beast
[12:31] <StevenK> I'd rather slay Sven Luther, if it's all the same.
[12:32] <ajmitch> reminds me, I haven't topped up on my weekly dose of angst, hate & bile
[12:32] <ajmitch> aka debian-private
[12:32] <StevenK> ajmitch: I was thinking it was either -private or -devel
[12:32] <proppy> try iceweasel it's really efficient against creature of fire
[12:32] <StevenK> ajmitch: Don't bother.
[12:34] <Fujitsu> Is it really as bad as everybody says?
[12:34] <ajmitch> nah
[12:34] <ajmitch> it's often tame & boring
[12:34] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Sometimes. Mostly, it's as ajmitch says.
[12:34] <Fujitsu> OK.
[12:35] <StevenK> It's angsty, hatefilled this week, though.
[12:35] <ajmitch> since it's apparantly running apt-get update without issues
[12:36] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: It's picking up the bad vibes from -private.
[12:36] <ajmitch> obviously
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: What has it done now? Scheduled critical stuff during UDS?
[12:36] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: FDS?
[12:37] <StevenK> Fedora Directory Server
[12:37] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it's done that too, actually.  broken http://rutherglen.ics.mq.edu.au/math235s107/ again - or let computing department control it, where they've broken it.
[12:37] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: yeah, I need FDS to use the mozilla ldap sdk
[12:37] <ajmitch> I see what it's doing - outdated Packages file
[12:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: booked flights, got passport?
[12:38] <ajmitch> funny that I have to go to spain to see you again
[12:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, and yes.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i thought you'd want to avoid me like the plague :P
[12:39] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: only if you carry the plague
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh
[12:47] <StevenK> You can try. :-)
[12:48] <Tonio_> hi :)
[12:48] <ajmitch> hey Tonio_ 
[12:48] <ajmitch> StevenK: yeah, it could be a challenge though
[12:49] <ajmitch> some of the packages are nowhere near ready
[12:49] <StevenK> ajmitch: You might need to get Mithrandir, mdz, pitti, seb128, Keybuk and cjwatson all drunk, too.
[12:49] <ajmitch> they're good enough to give me the basics for getting other stuff built
[12:49] <ajmitch> oh I just want them in universe
[12:49] <StevenK> Subvert the MOTU Council?
[12:50] <StevenK> It worked for Kubu... oh, wait.
[12:51] <ajmitch> it's not like anyone will want to run FDS
[12:51] <pef> hello
[12:52] <ajmitch> hi pef 
[12:53] <lupine_85> wootilicious, this version of aquamarine builds in pbuilder... how do I get it up?
[12:53] <imbrandon> make a debdiff and ask us to review/upload it :)
[12:54] <imbrandon> not REVU
[12:55] <lupine_85> fair enuf. On Launchpad?
[12:55] <imbrandon> yup, i presume its fixing a bug ( even if its not filed yet )
[12:55] <imbrandon> file/attache it to a bug and poke us ;)
[12:55] <imbrandon> brb smoke
[12:56] <lupine_85> ftbfs bug :)
[12:57] <racarr> lupine_85: The upload has already happened
[12:57] <racarr> but the archive is frozen so it's queued
[12:58] <racarr> we had a version on REVU that built in a pbuilder for a LONG time
[12:58] <racarr> it's just whoever uploaded uploaded the wrong version of aquamarine
[12:59] <lupine_85> racarr: it's the git snapshot that got uploaded
[12:59] <racarr> well, the version uploaded builds in a pbuilder
[12:59] <lupine_85> probably just the automake dependency
[12:59] <lupine_85> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aquamarine/+bug/95430
[01:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95430 in aquamarine "Aquamarine ftbfs " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[01:01] <Tonio_> lupine_85: isn't that resolved ?
[01:01] <lupine_85> Tonio_: all the packages seem to be going into some black hole / freeze
[01:01] <ajmitch> bah!
[01:01] <Tonio_> lupine_85: oh right ubuntu beta isn't out...
[01:02] <Tonio_> I was lost because kubuntu beta is :)
[01:02] <ajmitch> pbuilder-satisfydepends-gdebi doesn't appear to like running with unauthenticated repositories
[01:02] <Tonio_> lupine_85: yes we have to wait fo the end of the freeze
[01:02] <lupine_85> ah right
[01:03] <ajmitch> beta is out, archive is still frozen in case of emergency post-beta fixes
[01:03] <ajmitch> should be unfrozen real soon now
[01:03] <lupine_85> well, if all 3 of us uploaded fixes, at we're doing /something/ right :D
[01:03] <Tonio_> ajmitch: ah ? I missed the announce then.......
[01:03] <ajmitch> lupine_85: not communicating? :)
[01:03] <lupine_85> hehe, that too
[01:27] <StevenK> Four GRs, and enough bile and angst to fuel every single teenagers life for the next 3 years.
[01:28] <imbrandon> heh
[01:29] <ajmitch> that's a lot fg angst
[01:30] <lupine_85> I stopped being a teenager recently, and didn't notice an appreciable loss of angst
[01:31] <lupine_85> Dunno if that's a good or bad thing
[01:34] <StevenK> That'd be Debian.
[01:34] <StevenK> Or something.
[01:37] <ajmitch> debian never really grows up
[01:41] <racarr> lupine_85: Yes it was the automake dependency  but as I've said several times
[01:41] <racarr> theres already uploaded versions for ALL of the broken packages
[01:41] <racarr> it's just that archive is frozen
[01:41] <racarr> so they don't go in to archive until freeze comes up
[01:46] <StevenK> Or they are shoved in.
[01:48] <ajmitch> "just one more build of this"
[01:49] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:50] <ajmitch> so glad I'm not building on my old box
[01:51] <StevenK> Hrm. The lyrics of this song seem to describe building FDS.
[01:51] <imbrandon> workin aurora to death? hehe
[01:51] <StevenK> Life keeps slipping away ... Fighting in a war with damnation ... Poised, keep cutting away ... I'm looking in through to salvation
[01:54] <imbrandon> hrm does the ubuntu kernel have openmosix patches already ?
[01:54] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no, I'd rather not build this on aurora
[01:54] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ahh i was just teasin a bit
[01:54] <ajmitch> aurora is more for people not like me, since I have a fast box & high latency to the US :)
[01:55] <imbrandon> right right, i still use my home box to compile mostly, its for "MOTU" hehe
[01:58] <imbrandon> hahah
[01:59] <StevenK> Argh!
[01:59] <StevenK> /dev/hda5             9.2G  8.8G     0 100% /home
[02:03] <vil> hi imbrandon
[02:04] <vil> siretart, helped me yesterday to get to aurora etc, but today aurora wants password again
[02:04] <vil> he also mentioned a bug in the importkeys script
[02:08] <imbrandon> one second lemme check 
[02:09] <imbrandon> vil, ahh yea i see the problem with the script , give me a few minutes to fix it up
[02:12] <imbrandon> vil, ok should be fixed for now, i will perminately fix it here in a few minutes
[02:12] <imbrandon> sorry about that
[02:15] <vil> no need to be sorry, i am really glad you host this service
[02:16] <imbrandon> :)
[02:16] <vil> imbrandon, well, i have yet another problem, that occured even yesterday
[02:16] <imbrandon> whats that >
[02:16] <imbrandon> ?
[02:16] <welshbyte> should i be setting bugs to "in progress" when i attach debdiffs to them?
[02:16] <vil> when i try to use pbuilder for eclipse, i get W: Unable to locate package liblucene-java
[02:17] <vil> imbrandon, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11846/
[02:18] <vil> however, it builds ok elsewhere
[02:18] <imbrandon> vil, use pbuilder-$release
[02:18] <imbrandon> like pbuilder-feisty
[02:18] <imbrandon> "pbuilder-feisty build *.dsc"
[02:18] <imbrandon> no sudo needed
[02:20] <vil> imbrandon, cool, thanks again
[02:20] <imbrandon> np
[02:20] <vil> this is really a great service, i would really like to see it grow
[02:22] <vil> imbrandon, so is there a wiki page so that people get to know about it? or do you want to keep it in secret :)
[02:24] <vil> imbrandon, i can help with a wiki page
[02:26] <racarr> service?
[02:26] <imbrandon> i dont keep it secret, and i have a placeholder for the page
[02:26] <imbrandon> just havent made one yet
[02:27] <imbrandon> racarr, i run a community build network so MOTU and core-dev have a machine to build on already setup with breezy,dapper,edgy,feisty,sid pbuilders
[02:27] <imbrandon> etc
[02:27] <imbrandon> on x86,ppc,sparc and soon amd64
[02:27] <racarr> imbrandon: That's absurdely convenient
[02:27] <racarr> so sounds like a good thing :)
[02:28] <imbrandon> :)
[02:28] <imbrandon> StevenK, hehe
[02:28] <imbrandon> now you have a ppc to play on ;)
[02:28] <StevenK> And the latency of ~1ms is unbeatable. :-P
[02:29] <imbrandon> heh
[02:29] <imbrandon> ugh i hate this
[02:29] <imbrandon> StevenK, got a sec to help me with my script ?
[02:29] <vil> for me, when I have only an older x86 laptop and build java stuff, it is really useful
[02:29] <imbrandon> you bash guru you
[02:30] <StevenK> imbrandon: Sure.
[02:30] <StevenK> imbrandon: If you promise to not call me that again. :-P
[02:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:31] <imbrandon> ok one sec lemme pastbin my script and then my problem
[02:31] <imbrandon> ok here is the script , and it works mostly , but only a few corner cases it dosent
[02:31] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11848/
[02:31] <imbrandon> let me give you examples what i need to fix
[02:31] <ajmitch> StevenK: there are worse things he could call you
[02:31] <StevenK> MY EYES
[02:32] <StevenK> ajmitch: :-P
[02:32] <imbrandon> ok first off, when i wget the +sshkeys its in dos LF , so i dos2unix it
[02:32] <imbrandon> BUT
[02:32] <imbrandon> people like vil have https://beta.launchpad.net/~vil/+sshkeys
[02:33] <imbrandon> multi line +sshkeys
[02:33] <imbrandon> normalys i would just tr -d "\r\n" < vil.ssh > vil.ssh 
[02:33] <imbrandon> but that screws people like me with multi keys
[02:33] <imbrandon> https://beta.launchpad.net/~imbrandon/+sshkeys
[02:34] <ajmitch> meh, missing sasl this time
[02:34] <imbrandon> StevenK, see my issue ?
[02:35] <imbrandon> or did i make no sense
[02:35] <StevenK> I'm looking.
[02:35] <imbrandon> k
[02:35] <StevenK> Yes, I get it.
[02:36] <imbrandon> so basicly i just need to figure out how to sanitize all the +sshkeys
[02:36] <racarr> Would 'You should do this in perl/python' be a cliched solution?
[02:36] <imbrandon> racarr, will i was trying to KISS ;)
[02:36] <StevenK> imbrandon: The problem is, you need to parse the file. And doing that in shell will drive you mad.
[02:37] <imbrandon> StevenK, yea i noticed ;)
[02:37] <StevenK> imbrandon: I do have a suggestion for the wget at the top.
[02:37] <imbrandon> ?
[02:37] <proppy> perl -pi ?
[02:37] <StevenK> imbrandon: wget -q -O - <url> >> /tmp/all.txt
[02:38] <imbrandon> umm how is that any better >?
[02:38] <racarr> You could probably use a few perl -es  to sanitize the ssh keys...
[02:38] <StevenK> imbrandon: You save two cats. :-)
[02:38] <imbrandon> ohh so umm
[02:39] <StevenK> And duh.
[02:39] <StevenK> cat /tmp/motu.html /tmp/ubuntu-core-dev.html > /tmp/all.txt
[02:39] <imbrandon> heh
[02:39] <StevenK> cat does take multiple arguments.
[02:39] <StevenK> if [ -n "proceed" ] ; then
[02:39] <imbrandon> see i'm not a bash guy, ;)
[02:39] <StevenK> That will always work
[02:40] <StevenK> I think you need a $ there
[02:40] <racarr> what does dos2unix do?
[02:40] <imbrandon> ahh jesus 
[02:40] <imbrandon> racarr, converts from dos line feeds to unix ones
[02:40] <StevenK> Like flip
[02:40] <racarr> ah, ok
[02:41] <StevenK> It can be done with tr, but imbrandon is lazy. :-P
[02:41] <imbrandon> heh
[02:41] <imbrandon> no imbrandon isnt a bash guru ;)
[02:41] <proppy> dos2unix == perl -pi -e 's/\r//' ?
[02:42] <StevenK> Sounds about right.
[02:42] <imbrandon> 's/\r\n/\n/'
[02:42] <StevenK> tr -d '\r'
[02:42] <imbrandon> all the same ;)
[02:42] <imbrandon> i normaly always install sysutils anyhow soooo
[02:42] <imbrandon> ok hrm
[02:43] <racarr> dos2unix is in tofrodos
[02:43] <imbrandon> to redo this in python or not
[02:43] <imbrandon> racarr, and sysutils depends on tofrodos
[02:43] <racarr> ewhich
[02:43] <racarr> right
[02:43] <racarr> ...just found that
[02:43] <racarr> heh
[02:43] <imbrandon> :)
[02:43] <racarr> I thought I had sysutils installed
[02:44] <imbrandon> crap, this is gonna make me learn python
[02:44] <imbrandon> lol
[02:44] <welshbyte> you don't really learn python, you just forget bits of other languages and you're there
[02:44] <StevenK> imbrandon: I know Python as well.
[02:45] <mr_pouit> pirast: ping (about uscpi-tcp) ?
[02:45] <racarr> I like python but think perl is better suited for replacing bash
[02:45] <racarr> replacing bash scripts
[02:45] <StevenK> racarr: Heathen!
[02:45] <imbrandon> perl == devil
[02:45] <imbrandon> i already maintain one perl script, not gonna another
[02:45] <imbrandon> :)
[02:45] <StevenK> Which
[02:45] <StevenK> ?
[02:45] <imbrandon> apt-mirror
[02:46] <proppy> dunno if there is an equivalent of -pi for python
[02:46] <imbrandon> apt-mirror == a whole heap of perl
[02:46] <imbrandon> hahah i just noticed i'm doing the same cut | blah blahb lbah twice too
[02:47] <imbrandon> jesus
[02:47] <racarr> ugh, I have a really strange bug as of the last few days
[02:47] <imbrandon> once before the for loop and once in it
[02:47] <racarr> setting rgba colormap on ANY pygtk window
[02:47] <racarr> makes it effectively die (most widgets just stop rendering)
[02:47] <proppy> python -c "import sys; print sys.stdin.read().replace('\r\n', '\n')"
[02:50] <imbrandon> heh
[02:52] <ajmitch> dpkg-deb: building package `fedora-ds-core' in `../fedora-ds-core_1.1~cvs.20070324-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb'.
[02:52] <ajmitch> dpkg-deb: building package `fedora-ds-core' in `../fedora-ds-core_1.1~cvs.20070324-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb'.
[02:52] <ajmitch> dpkg-deb: building package `fedora-ds-core' in `../fedora-ds-core_1.1~cvs.20070324-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb'.
[02:53] <ajmitch> bah
[02:53] <ajmitch> bah irssi
[02:53] <ajmitch> at least it built ;)
[02:53] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:53] <ajmitch> some minor RH idiocies
[02:54] <ajmitch> -rwxr-xr-x root/root      8649 2007-03-25 01:52 ./etc/rc.d/init.d/fedora-ds
[02:54] <ajmitch> but I'm happy for now, and can go & sleep :)
[03:04] <pirast> mr_pouit, pong
[03:04] <racarr> imbrandon: Do you know if there used to be a libdbus1-dev package?
[03:04] <mr_pouit> pirast: I think it is a problem with the debian/rules :/
[03:04] <pirast> mr_pouit, i got dsc & co, ran a pbuilder against it and it worked
[03:05] <racarr> imbrandon: Because there snot now, and beryl-plugins depends on it
[03:05] <racarr> but beryl-plugins built in a pbuilder, right?
[03:05] <racarr> it's libdbus-1-dev now
[03:05] <pirast> mr_pouit, also, there seems to be a lot which is not right.. apt-get source uscpi-tcp does not work for example
[03:06] <mr_pouit> pirast: this package is really, really "exotic" ^^"
[03:06] <mr_pouit> both qmail and ucspi-tcp :/
[03:06] <pirast> mr_pouit, uh oh, just read your comment
[03:06] <pirast> mh i am sorry..
[03:06] <pirast> wrong guess on my side
[03:07] <pirast> :(
[03:07] <mr_pouit> no harm ;) does someone have an idea about this ? ^^"
[03:08] <mr_pouit> Bug #95469
[03:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95469 in ucspi-tcp "[feisty]  FTBFS" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95469
[03:08] <racarr> can someone upload http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/beryl-plugins/dbusfix.patch
[03:08] <racarr> for beryl-plugins ?
[03:08] <racarr> (it's a debdiff not a patch)
[03:09] <racarr> and http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/corefpic.debdiff
[03:10] <StevenK> A debdiff is a patch
[03:10] <racarr> Err, yes but what I meant was
[03:10] <racarr> it wasn't something I needed someone to put in debian/patches and they would know after clicking
[03:10] <racarr> but
[03:10] <imbrandon> has the other been published yet?
[03:11] <imbrandon> you might wanna wait on the upload untill the last one was published
[03:11] <pirast> mr_pouit, maybe sync 0.88-13 from debian: Cleaned up rules script to allow autobuilding
[03:11] <racarr> imbrandon: Err, core one already seems to be uploaded
[03:11] <racarr> imbrandon: And plugins wont build without the plugins one being uploaded...
[03:12] <racarr> err
[03:12] <racarr> plugins one is uploaded as well, they just showed up now
[03:12] <mr_pouit> pirast: same problem :/
[03:12] <racarr> (I had asked someone to upload them yesterday but had to leave before everything was finished)
[03:12] <racarr> so NEVERMIND all that
[03:12] <mr_pouit> pirast: and I merged qmail from the same maintainer, and it has also the same issue :x
[03:12] <pirast> mr_pouit, how do you check?
[03:13] <pirast> mr_pouit, maybe contact the debian maintainer on irc and ask him if he has an idea / would fix it
[03:13] <pirast> mr_pouit, or file a bug against it in debian and then hope that the maintainer is very active :)
[03:14] <mr_pouit> pirast: I just did an "apt-get source ucspi-tcp" (I have Debian unstable deb-src in my sources.list ;)
[03:14] <pirast> mr_pouit, but how do you find out that it does not build with buildd? :)
[03:14] <mr_pouit> pirast: ok, I'll ping an archive-admin to see if he can help me for this, then the debian maintainer, and eventually report a bug ^^
[03:15] <racarr> mm
[03:15] <mr_pouit> pirast: there is the same dependency in debian/rules binary-src target
[03:15] <pirast> ahh k
[03:15] <pirast> mr_pouit, okay good luck :)
[03:15] <racarr> new beryl-plugins doesn't even have a pending build
[03:15] <mr_pouit> thanks ^^"
[03:28] <jwendell> if there is a sponsor with time, please, check my patches: https://launchpad.net/~wendell/+assignedbugs?search=Search&field.status=In+Progress
[03:43] <Amaranth> jwendell: bug 78055 can probably just be rejected
[03:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78055 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "ubuntu-restricted-extras depends on sun-java5; sun-java6 is now available" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78055
[03:43] <jwendell> Amaranth, why?
[03:44] <Amaranth> apparently that's be design
[03:44] <Amaranth> java6 doesn't always work were java5 did
[03:45] <jwendell> Amaranth, i guess not...
[03:46] <Amaranth> shouldn't bug 53085 be done as a patch in the build system instead of directly applying the patch to the source?
[03:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53085 in zapping "Wrong zapping icon" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53085
[03:46] <Amaranth> using dpatch or quilt or whatever
[03:46] <imbrandon> Amaranth, not always
[03:46] <imbrandon> depends on the package and patch etc
[03:46] <Amaranth> imbrandon: I'd say always but that's because I like things clean :)
[03:47] <imbrandon> i say not always because thats policy, if upstreams dosent have a patchsys inplace then we dont make one
[03:47] <Amaranth> really?
[03:47] <imbrandon> yes realy
[03:47] <Amaranth> upstream being debian?
[03:47] <imbrandon> most of the time, yes
[03:48] <Amaranth> that seems..painful
[03:48] <imbrandon> that keeps deltas small
[03:48] <Amaranth> jwendell: oh, and it looks like you're actually undoing a change crimsun did with that patch
[03:48] <imbrandon> if its a major overhaul get it in debian ;)
[03:49] <jwendell> Amaranth, what?
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:50] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[03:50] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[03:50] <Amaranth> * Resynchronise with Debian (Closes: #4022):
[03:50] <Amaranth>     - Fix desktop file to not use absolute path.
[03:50] <Amaranth>  -- Daniel T Chen <crimsun@fungus.sh.nu>  Tue, 08 Nov 2005 11:07:34 +0000
[03:52] <Amaranth> i wonder if it was broken for nearly a year or if something else messed it up
[03:52] <jwendell> Amaranth, what would you suggest?
[03:52] <Amaranth> it needs to be undone, i guess :)
[03:52] <jwendell> Amaranth, that desktop file IS broken, i just fixed it
[03:53] <Amaranth> yeah, i guess that patch is fine
[04:05] <sacater> hey im trying to get onto #ubuntu-motu-school but its always greyed out, whats going on?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> sacater: because it's now #ubuntu-classroom ?
[04:08] <sacater> Hobbsee: hmm
[04:09] <sacater> irssi isnt letting me create any new window
[04:12] <sacater> is it true that you cant join over 21 channels on freenode.net unless you are a developer
[04:13] <Hobbsee> sacater: there's a 20 channel limit, yes.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> sacater: not just developers.  people having good reasons to
[04:14] <sacater> Hobbsee: i see
[04:14] <sacater> Hobbsee: what if my reason is that I have lots of things to do?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ask a staffer
[04:15] <DarkSun88> Any main-sponsor out there?
[04:15] <DarkSun88> could you please review bug #95238?
[04:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95238 in check "Please sync check 0.9.4-3 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95238
[04:21] <ivoks> whatever you do, please stop entering and leaving channels :)
[04:26] <racarr> how often does launchpad check for depwaits being resolved?
[04:27] <jwendell> Amaranth, did you commit?
[04:28] <Amaranth> jwendell: i can't
[04:28] <Amaranth> was just commenting
[04:31] <imbrandon> racarr, 2 times an hour iirc on publisher runs
[04:31] <racarr> :( it decided to build beryl-plugins before beryl-core
[04:31] <racarr> and beryl-plugins have a >= on libberyldecoration-dev 0ubuntu2
[04:31] <racarr> because of the -fPIC fix
[04:31] <imbrandon> sure, no biggie, it will rebuild next run
[04:34] <racarr> you would think it could be intelligent enough to prevent that
[04:35] <imbrandon> its just a queue fifo, but it all works out young padiwan ;)
[05:02] <sabdfl> well done everyone for getting beryl sorted
[05:06] <jwendell> :)
[05:07] <soc> spe doesn't work in feisty...
[05:08] <soc> it complains that it needs wxpython 2.5.... at least
[05:09] <soc> when you comment the section out, it's clear, that the problem is because wxpython is newer on feisty than spe expects it ...
[05:09] <bddebian> SO fix it or file a bug :-)
[05:09] <soc> feisty has something like wpyton 2.6.3 and spe was written with 2.6.1 or something
[05:10] <soc> I'm not really an experienced python developer, but how can I send in a patch?
[05:10] <bddebian> File a bug and attach the patch to the bug report
[05:15] <welshbyte> do the "Ubuntu Sponsors for Universe" work on weekends? :)
[05:17] <jdong> welshbyte: I'm sure the enthusiastic ones work around the clock :D
[05:19] <welshbyte> hehe :)
[05:21] <bddebian> Or the sick ones, depending on how you look at it :)
[05:21] <welshbyte> i'm just interested to see whether the 2 debdiffs i've attached to bugs since last night have been done sufficiently so i can carry on doing the same for other bugs with more confidence
[05:22] <welshbyte> positive reinforcement, and all that :)
[05:22] <jdong> bddebian: meh it's not a disease, it's a _lifestyle choice_ :D
[05:23] <soc> ok
[05:23] <soc> just looked at spe
[05:26] <soc> it seems that wxversion.ensureMinimal() fails
[05:26] <soc> even if the version used is greater than WX_VERSION = '2.5.4.1'
[05:26] <bddebian> jdong: :-)
[05:27] <soc> a quick fix is to comment out 'sys.exit' if the check faisl
[05:27] <soc> fails
[05:27] <soc> (in SPE.py)
[05:27] <soc> in fact we don't nedd that check because it's handled by package dependencies
[05:28] <welshbyte> soc: it would be good to have all this info in a bug report, that way the right people can handle it properly :)
[05:29] <soc> I _hate_ bugreports :-)
[05:30] <welshbyte> aw don't be like that, they get things done :)
[05:30] <imbrandon> sabdfl, :)
[05:30] <imbrandon> racarr, did the depwait work itsself out ?
[05:31] <racarr> imbrandon: Err, it's pending now on i386, so yeah
[05:31] <imbrandon> cool
[05:31] <imbrandon> yea thats good
[05:31] <imbrandon> should be published within inthe hour then
[05:32] <imbrandon> StevenK, you still awake ?
[05:33] <imbrandon> welshbyte, yea some of us do, what bug numbers ?
[05:33] <welshbyte> bug 40782 and bug 71753
[05:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40782 in fceu "No desktop file" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40782
[05:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71753 in xpdf "Incorrect path in man page" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71753
[05:34] <welshbyte> they're only trivial, i was using them to relearn the ropes
[05:34] <welshbyte> (bitesize tags rock)
[05:34] <imbrandon> yup, looks like your doing it right ( just from a quick glance )
[05:34] <welshbyte> cool
[05:34] <welshbyte> thanks :)
[05:51] <pirast> keescook, hi :)
[05:52] <pirast> uh oh, weekend
[05:53] <soc> welshbyte: https://launchpad.net/bugs/95539
[05:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95539 in spe "spe doesn't run because check for wxpython fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[05:55] <soc> is that ok?
[05:55] <keescook> pirast: hiya :)
[05:55] <pirast> keescook, no weekend?
[05:56] <keescook> pirast: it's the weekend; just doing work on mythtv, hanging out.
[05:56] <pirast> keescook, ok :) did you see the asterisk + phpmyadmin debdiffs?
[05:57] <pirast> would be nice if you could apply them later
[05:57] <keescook> pirast: yup, I did, thanks!  Which of the debdiffs did you get a chance to test?
[05:58] <pirast> against a exploit, none.. :(
[05:58] <keescook> pirast: but it was tested that the code still runs, etc?
[05:59] <pirast> nope :( doing now with all
[06:00] <pirast> keescook, good that you ask :(
[06:01] <keescook> pirast: heheh, no problem.
[06:01] <pirast> sorry
[06:03] <pirast> keescook, you know what would be great..
[06:03] <pirast> something to push updates to
[06:03] <pirast> then i do not have to run pbuilder
[06:03] <pirast> one click on publish and it lands in the archives
[06:08] <sabdfl> pirast: i saw you deactivated your beta membership - any reason why?
[06:09] <pirast> sabdfl, lp was slow to me, hoped that leaving beta team would change that :)
[06:09] <sabdfl> pirast: ok
[06:09] <sacater> jesus, #ubuntu is packed!
[06:10] <sacater> not sure whether thats good or bad
[06:11] <pirast> sabdfl, but it didn't really change that. also, i often forgot to remove the "beta." in the url when giving links to other people, so that they ended up with a login..
[06:13] <sabdfl> sacater: as long as everyone is nice to one another, it must be a Good Thing :-)
[06:13] <sacater> sabdfl: well.... i had about 3 questions directed at me in about half a minute
[06:13] <sacater> hard to keep up :P
[06:14] <pochu> pirast: there is a bug about that, to redirect to non-beta to non-beta-testers :)
[06:14] <pochu> though it isn't implemented yet, AFAIK
[06:14] <pirast> pochu, uh oh :)
[06:15] <sabdfl> also, pirast, you can turn off the redirect for chunks of two hours, at the launchpad.net home page
[06:15] <sabdfl> but... too late now :-)
[06:15] <sacater> the predeccesor (cant spell), of my pda (a gentoo dev) left a huge memo, and it was a file of practice questions that he may be asked when he applied for dev (he was trainee at the time). My question is thus, is there a sort of practice thing for motu trainees, and if not, could someone compose one?
[06:16] <pirast> sabdfl, yeah, i know.. but clicking a button every two hours is not that nice ;) also, i want to have a little bit of a surprise when the new lp ui goes public and is final :P
[06:16] <Q-FUNK> sacater: please, no NM process
[06:16] <sacater> pirast: new launchpad ui?
[06:16] <sacater> Q-FUNK: eh?
[06:17] <pirast> i am also missing that with ubuntu.. when running development releases, there are no surprises when a new release goes final.. :P
[06:17] <sabdfl> sacater: i think Q-FUNK is saying he'd prefer to keep the process of becoming a MOTU a more fluid one :-)
[06:17] <sabdfl> pirast: yes, i know that feeling!
[06:18] <pirast> sacater: see https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers
[06:18] <sacater> sabdfl: whats wrong with practice questions :'(
[06:18] <sacater> pirast: will do
[06:18] <Q-FUNK> sabdfl: indeed :)
[06:18] <sabdfl> sacater: nothing - it would i think be very cool to have a knowledgebase like that
[06:19] <DarkSun88> Any main-sponsor out there?
[06:19] <sacater> pirast: i just joined. id love to beta the new ui
[06:20] <Q-FUNK> sacater: we need a knowledge base of sample packaging and maintaining situations, but IMHO we'd rather avoid turning the process of becoming a MOTU into pointlessly rigid testing process.
[06:20] <sacater> Q-FUNK: i see youre point, fair enough
[06:20] <sacater> i could upload the test my mate took if he dosnt mind
[06:21] <sacater> gentoo dev
[06:21] <sabdfl> sacater: that would be interesting
[06:21] <sacater> sabdfl: ok
[06:21] <sacater> give me 10 mins max
[06:21] <DarkSun88> could you please review bug #95238?
[06:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95238 in check "Please sync check 0.9.4-3 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95238
[06:21] <sabdfl> sacater: promise not to post any screenshots of stuff you see on beta till it lands on production?
[06:23] <sacater> sabdfl: if someone approves me, of course not
[06:23] <sacater> that would be a blasphemy
[06:23] <sacater> etc etc
[06:23] <sacater> :P
[06:24] <sacater> if anyone here does a bit of perl or likes using the tea text editor, you can join my tea-dev team :D
[06:24] <sabdfl> done
[06:25] <sabdfl> ScottK: we need to figure out how to run most of it over http, and only use https for security-critical info
[06:25] <sacater> ScottK: all launchpad is slower than normal for me
[06:26] <sabdfl> it's probably also getting a bit of a thumping due to the beta
[06:26] <ScottK> sacater: Not just today, but in general.
[06:26] <sacater> ScottK: :P, i was refering to the last few weeks
[06:26] <ScottK> Makes sense about https being a performance block and a tricky one to get right.
[06:26] <ScottK> sacater: Last few weeks I agree have been slower than usual.
[06:26] <ScottK> but LP at it's fastest has never been fast IMO.
[06:27] <sacater> IMO?
[06:27] <ScottK> In My Opinion.
[06:29] <sacater> sabdfl: hmm, cant seem to copy the memo onto my MMC
[06:31] <pirast> keescook, feisty asterisk compiles, installs, runs
[06:34] <pirast> off now, have a nice evening :)
[06:34] <pirast> bye
[06:35] <sacater> WOW
[06:35] <sacater> nice ui
[06:41] <sacater> sabdfl: do you know who approved me onto the betas?
[06:42] <pochu> sacater: himself
[06:42] <pochu> sacater: the beta rocks, isn't it? :)
[06:43] <sacater> pochu: yes, 
[06:43] <sacater> sabdfl: thanks
[06:44] <somerville32> Hiya _o/
[06:44] <pochu> sacater: haven't you received a mail saying who has approved you?
[06:44] <sabdfl> sacater: you're welcome
[06:44] <sacater> somerville32: :P
[06:44] <racarr> ohhh beryl-plugins is building on i386
[06:44] <sacater> i do that (not in the hospital though
[06:45] <sacater> racarr: beryl pwns
[06:45] <racarr> hehe
[06:45] <racarr> yay, it didn't fail this time
[06:46] <somerville32> I just tried beryl yesterday and everyone on the unit thought it was so cool. I told them to get Ubuntu instead of Windows Vista - they all asked me for a  copy. hehe.
[06:50] <bddebian> I don't even know WTF beryl is :-)
[06:50] <bddebian> And Vista is a joke anyway :-)
[06:50] <sacater> bddebian: beryl pwns
[06:50] <sacater> eyecandy
[06:54] <pochu> I've read somewhere that beryl is going to re-join compiz :)
[06:54] <pochu> maybe it was just a dream
[06:55] <welshbyte> that's certainly the topic of the day
[06:55] <pochu> then is it true? :)
[06:55] <imbrandon> pochu, yes , most likely
[06:56] <imbrandon> http://lists.beryl-project.org/pipermail/beryl-dev/2007-March/000356.html
[06:56] <pochu> looking :)
[07:13] <sacater> no..... compiz and beryl............ my generation has only known beryl....
[07:13] <sacater> sabdfl: sorry, cant get the memo off my PDA, the gentoo dev secured it
[07:13] <sabdfl> smart guy
[07:14] <sacater> sabdfl: yeh, hes out powerboating
[07:15] <sacater> MERGE! no, i dont want a comperl
[07:15] <sacater> MERGE! no, i dont want a comperliz
[07:17] <racarr> I don't think we are likely to go with either of those names
[07:17] <sacater> :P
[07:18] <sacater> if anyone sees any small/easy bugs in launchpad please assign to me, (Sam Cater), i want some wokr
[07:18] <sacater> work*
[07:19] <pochu> sacater: take a look here: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[07:21] <sacater> pochu: okies
[07:21] <sacater> anyone interested in 90529
[07:21] <sacater> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-status-plugin/+bug/90529
[07:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90529 in xmms-status-plugin "feature request: Remove from the gnome taskbar" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[07:23] <DarkSun88> could you please review bug #95573
[07:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95573 in pyx "Please merge pyx 0.9-4 from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95573
[07:23] <LaserJock> Gooooood Morning MOTU Land!
[07:24] <welshbyte> good evening LaserJock :)
[07:24] <LaserJock> hi welshbyte 
[07:25] <Q-FUNK> did robin williams just join motu?
[07:25] <welshbyte> nanu nanu
[07:25] <LaserJock> he's been here for some time ;-)
[07:25] <sacater> hi LaserJock 
[07:26] <LaserJock> I've done that at various times forever and Q-FUNK's the first person to say anything
[07:26] <LaserJock> sacater: hi
[07:26] <Q-FUNK> *chuckles*
[07:26] <sacater> LaserJock: me got launchpad betas :D
[07:27] <sacater> love it
[07:27] <LaserJock> sacater: cool
[07:27] <Q-FUNK> do they have a rent-o-soyuz franchise on the lauchpad now?  do I finally get to visit khazakstan?
[07:28] <LaserJock> Q-FUNK: I wondered if anybody had ever watched it. Sometimes cultural references just don't work
[07:28] <pochu> Are there 2 MOTU-uvf members? Bug #95514
[07:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95514 in wxwidgets2.8 "[UVFe]  wxwidgets 2.8.3.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95514
[07:28] <LaserJock> Q-FUNK: heh
[07:29] <Q-FUNK> LaserJock: then again, it was an american movie.  they're everywhere now
[07:29] <sacater> Hey can someone review bug/78055, a debdiff has been uploaded 6 hours ago, time to release it!
[07:30] <sacater> +bug/78055
[07:30] <sacater> hmm
[07:30] <sacater> work ubugtu!
[07:30] <sacater> aha!
[07:30] <sacater> #78055
[07:30] <sacater> bug #78055
[07:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78055 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "ubuntu-restricted-extras depends on sun-java5; sun-java6 is now available" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78055
[07:30] <sacater> yays
[07:31] <pochu> see u guys!
[08:15] <sacater> freenode.net has a 21 chatroom limit, but I understand that developers/people who need it can get more. Can anyone explain this to me further, as I need more channel space
[08:17] <LaserJock> sacater: you'd probably need to talk to freenode staff
[08:18] <sacater> LaserJock: ah yes, and I would perform that ability how?
[08:18] <sacater> LaserJock: also, whats an ubuntu cloak
[08:19] <LaserJock> sacater: there are freenode channels
[08:19] <sacater> erm
[08:19] <sacater> could you be more precise
[08:19] <sacater> please.
[08:19] <LaserJock> sacater: I don't know what one is the best, but google/freenode website will know
[08:20] <sacater> google for freenode?
[08:20] <LaserJock> the cloaks are ubuntu members and masks the ip/address that they are connectiong from
[08:20] <sacater> LaserJock: oh ill get one of those if i can
[08:21] <sacater> where do i talk to freenode staff, is there a channel?
[08:21] <LaserJock> sacater: you get one when you become and Ubuntu Member
[08:21] <sacater> LaserJock: ubuntero?
[08:21] <LaserJock> along with an @ubuntu.com email address
[08:21] <LaserJock> sacater: no, Ubuntu Member
[08:21] <sacater> hmm
[08:22] <LaserJock> sacater: run a /whois LaserJock
[08:23] <sacater> cool
[08:23] <sacater> hmm
[08:23] <sacater> https://beta.launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers
[08:23] <sacater> have I made a substantial contribution
[08:23] <sacater> :D
[08:23] <LaserJock> you need more I'd think
[08:24] <LaserJock> generally ~2 months of sustained contribution is about right
[08:25] <sacater> LaserJock: what about helping newbies along, (I do that a lot)
[08:26] <jussi01> can someone tell me how to become a launchpad beta tester?
[08:26] <sacater> jussi01: you should ask an administrator of the beta team
[08:27] <jussi01> sacater, can you name one or 2?
[08:27] <lightsee1> hi
[08:27] <sacater> jussi01: hang on
[08:27] <lightsee1> im not an motu
[08:28] <LaserJock> jussi01: ask in #lunchpad
[08:28] <lightsee1> but i have an blender 2.43
[08:28] <sacater> jussi01: https://beta.launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers
[08:28] <LaserJock> sacater: user support certianly is a contribution
[08:28] <sacater> jussi01: whoops
[08:28] <LaserJock> sacater: don't give them beta. addresses to learn about Beta ;-)
[08:28] <sacater> jussi01: https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers
[08:29] <sacater> LaserJock: ^^
[08:30] <lightsee1> any way this blender is 2.43 and i dont see why it cant be in the repo now
[08:30] <jussi01> :D thanks sacater, LaserJock 
[08:31] <LaserJock> lightsee1: we already have 2.43
[08:34] <lightsee1> ok
[08:34] <lightsee1> its in the edgy repo?
[08:35] <_MMA_> Should be in Feisty.
[08:36] <sacater> lightsee1: try to get all your newer packages from the feisty repo,
[08:36] <sacater> FEISTY IN about A MONTH!
[08:42] <LaserJock> lightsee1: it's in Feisty, you can file a backport request to Edgy if it's not already there in edgy-backports
[08:55] <vil> I have some difficulties running the newly uploaded beryl
[08:55] <vil> any hint, how to debug what is wrong and why i don't get window decorations?
[09:51] <ajmitch> morning
[09:54] <sacater> ajmitch: evening here but morning
[09:54] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch ;-)
[09:54] <ajmitch> LaserJock! LTNS! ;)
[09:56] <sacater> now now, violence :P
[09:57] <ajmitch> he started it
[09:57] <tsmithe> hi ajmitch 
[09:57] <tsmithe> LaserJock, so did nothing come of trying with getting the old packages in?
[09:58] <LaserJock> tsmithe: I think they're in
[09:58] <tsmithe> you mean Hobbsee lets you borrow her stick? :'(
[09:58] <tsmithe> oh what?
[09:58] <LaserJock> I stole it for a while
[09:58] <LaserJock> it's not in the mirrors yet
[09:58] <LaserJock> I don't think
[09:58] <LaserJock> enblend is just in binary NEW
[09:58] <LaserJock> I'm not sure where wired went though
[09:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I spent last night hacking on FDS, rather than authtool
[09:59] <LaserJock> well, that's cool too
[10:00] <ajmitch> yeah, I ended up not going to bed until I had a package built
[10:01] <tsmithe> LaserJock, oh cool
[10:06] <joejaxx> anyone know the most common boot resolutions?
[10:06] <tsmithe> wired was rejected!
[10:06] <tsmithe> anyone know why?
[10:06] <tsmithe> or how i can find out?
[10:07] <ajmitch> depends on who uploaded it
[10:07] <LaserJock> tsmithe: who uploaded it?
[10:07] <tsmithe> erm... i can't remember...
[10:07] <tsmithe> can i find that out also?
[10:09] <geser> tsmithe: check the signature on the changes file
[10:09] <tsmithe> ahh good idea
[10:10] <tsmithe> hmm... how do i take the signature and decode it?
[10:10] <tsmithe> can i just pipe it to gpg?
[10:10] <geser> yes
[10:11] <LaserJock> Adri2000 did the last one
[10:11] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ajmitch do you all know what the most common boot video resolutions are?
[10:11] <tsmithe> geser, what gpg command do i need to use?
[10:12] <geser> tsmithe: gpg will probably complain about the missing key but it will tell you which one it is and you can look it up on the keyserver
[10:12] <geser> gpg changes.file
[10:12] <tsmithe> yea, sure
[10:12] <tsmithe> hmm ok :)
[10:12] <tsmithe> and which tz is Adri2000 in?
[10:12] <LaserJock> no sure
[10:12] <LaserJock> I think sistpoty did the first upload
[10:12] <LaserJock> not sure who'd get the email
[10:14] <geser> tsmithe: Timezone:  Europe/Paris 
[10:14] <tsmithe> right, so it should be 2214 for him
[10:14] <tsmithe> i
[10:14] <tsmithe> *
[10:15] <tsmithe> *i'll pm him
[10:15] <tsmithe> (silly new keyboard)
[10:17] <ajmitch> back later
[10:18] <tsmithe> have fun
[10:33] <LaserJock> tsmithe: where you the person in the changelog for wired?
[10:34] <tsmithe> yea
[10:34] <LaserJock> I'm thinking of filing a bug
[10:35] <LaserJock> so reject emails go to both the uploader and the person in the changelog
[10:35] <LaserJock> or something like that
[10:36] <LaserJock> we could even make them publicly availble, but I'm not sure if contributrs want that ;-)
[10:36] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: They don't? I know acceptance ones do...
[10:36] <tsmithe> LaserJock, i do!
[10:37] <tsmithe> why wouldn't they?
[10:38] <LaserJock> well
[10:38] <LaserJock> it's kinda embarassing
[10:38] <LaserJock> to some people
[10:38] <tsmithe> they can look back on their stupidity and laugh when they are more experienced. or at least i would.
[10:38] <tsmithe> especially during motu council meetings
[10:38] <LaserJock> actually
[10:39] <LaserJock> rejects should maybe go to the MOTU ML
[10:39] <Fujitsu> That's not such a bad idea, LaserJoc.
[10:39] <LaserJock> individual uploaders come and go
[10:39] <tsmithe> and cc the packager?
[10:39] <LaserJock> but we are MOTU
[10:39] <LaserJock> tsmithe: the issue is it might not be trivial to do
[10:39] <LaserJock> I think right now it looks for info in the .changes file
[10:40] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: There is a Changed-By field in the .changes.
[10:40] <tsmithe> it's just an email... if it's already being sent, isn't it as trivial as adding more headers, parsing the changes file?
[10:40] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: hmm, that might work
[10:41] <LaserJock> but emailing ubuntu-motu would at least be sufficient
[10:41] <Fujitsu> That's used for acceptance, but apparently not rejection.
[10:41] <LaserJock> people can check the list archives
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Maybe rejection from NEW, but not rejection from the upload queue.
[10:42] <Fujitsu> There are a fair few rejections due to dodgy versions and similar, which we probably don't want spammed to -motu.
[10:42] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[10:43] <LaserJock> I'm just talking about NEW
[10:43] <Fujitsu> Good, I hoped so.
[10:48] <jwendell> sacater, around?
[10:50] <Tonio_> lupine_85: aquamarine was rejected........
[10:50] <Tonio_> don't understand why...
[10:52] <Fujitsu> The rejection message should give an error on one of the early lines.
[10:53] <Fujitsu> Tonio_: There is already a 0ubuntu2 there.
[10:53] <Fujitsu> Uploaded by sistpoty for racarr.
[10:54] <LaserJock> heh
[10:55] <Fujitsu> Weren't there three fixes prepared independently for that one?
[10:57] <bddebian> Any of you Core 2 Duo experts?
[11:14] <LaserJock> man, my LP bugmail has really piled up
[11:16] <lupine_85> Tonio_: heh, yeah
[11:16] <lupine_85> it was an easy fix so everyone piled in ;)
[11:19] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[11:48] <Tonio_> lupine_85: yeah but why rejecting the package ?
[11:49] <lupine_85> because there's already one in the system somewhere
[11:49] <LaserJock> can't have 2 packages with the same version
[11:50] <Fujitsu> Tonio_: I can see why it wouldn't have given a reason.
[11:51] <Fujitsu> It would have gone into UNAPPROVED because we were still frozen, so was manually rejected (probably by Mithrandir). It will tell you why if it's done automatically, but not manually.
[11:55] <Tonio_> Fujitsu: ah okay ;)
[12:03] <pirast> could anyone please apply the patch in bug 45909? thanks
[12:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45909 in Baltix "ndisgtk doesn't install driver" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45909
[12:09] <LaserJock> bddebian: pingy pingy