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PriceChildWoo I think I'm finally back... :O12:38
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SportChickalindeman, nalioth, jenda, Seveas, apokryphos: anyone feel like helping my hubby set up a _software_ raid (this time)?01:32
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ubotuIn ubotu, cables said: terminal paste is <reply> To copy or paste in the terminal, use ctrl-shift-c and ctrl-shift-v respectively.02:30
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Tm_Tpaint and middleclick isn't enough?02:32
Tm_Tpaint as selecr02:32
Tm_Tselect02:32
cableswell maybe that should be in the factoid too02:32
PriceChild!terminal02:32
ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands02:32
Tm_Tmaybe because all those are standard stuff, it doesn't need separate factoid?02:33
cablesbut I often help someone, and halfway through I realize that people are typing the commands in manually02:33
PriceChildI'm not sure that belongs in the factoid...02:33
SportChickw 602:33
cablesPriceChild, new factoid maybe? People often use commands in #ubuntu, and some people don't know they can just paste into it, since the "normal" way (ctrl-v) doesn't work.02:33
kgoetzis ^shift+[c,v]  standard? i thought only gnome-term did that02:34
cableskgoetz, ctrl-c/v is what most apps use... gnome-term uses ctrl-shift-c/v, which is different...02:34
cablesso people give up on trying to paste stuff02:34
kgoetzcables: i know its different, my point is 'should something g-t specific be in a factoid about terminals in general'02:35
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cableskgoetz, most Ubuntu users use g-t, so I think it should be mentioned,  at least in a separate factoid (termpaste?)02:36
kgoetzcables: whats wrong with "right click -> paste" as an instruction02:36
cableskgoetz, what do you mean by that?02:37
kgoetzmaking factoids for apps with weird keys is just anoying. g-t as with almost all other apps has right click -> paste. why meantion all sorts of wierd key combos?02:37
cableskgoetz, most people from Windows don't use right click - paste, and people from Windows makes up a good portion of Ubuntu users. Also, I almost never use right>paste, and a lot of people don't seem to have figured that out02:38
kgoetzcables: most poeopel from windows dont? i think your generalising. (to side track to newbies) most newbies either use right click or the 'edit' menu in my experiance.02:39
kgoetzanyone who knows enough to know how to ^c should know to look in edit to imho02:40
kgoetzas an added bonus, in edit (in g-t) it has the key combo02:40
cableskgoetz, true, you're probably right02:40
kgoetz*shrug* maybe. i'll just hope i am.02:41
cablesok :)02:42
kgoetz:)02:42
cablesi give up :)02:42
kgoetzthanks for the suggestion though :)02:42
cablesone thing, is it considered rude to join #ubuntu-ops before I /msg ubotu bla is bla so I can argue my point?02:43
cablesOr is that just annoying...02:43
kgoetzif your joining here you can argue the point from teh start (save mesaging the bot), otherwise no, its good to do02:43
cablesok02:43
cablesthanks02:43
kgoetznp02:43
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gouki'night tonyyarusso04:38
tonyyarussogouki: hey04:38
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atoponceSeveas: ping05:50
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tonyyarusso!herd507:33
ubotuTo download Feisty Fawn Herd 5, visit http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-5/ - read the release notes at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd5, and consider doing the tests at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing07:33
tonyyarusso!beta07:33
ubotuJust because it's almost ready doesn't mean you should use it.  Final releases happen when they do for a reason; unless you'd like to become familiar with those reasons through a system that won't boot, just be patient.07:33
tonyyarusso!no, beta is To download Feisty Fawn Beta, visit http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 - read the release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta and upgrade instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades, and consider doing the tests at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing - Just because it's almost ready doesn't mean you should use it.  Final releases happen when they do for a reason; unless you'd like to become famili07:35
ubotuI'll remember that tonyyarusso07:35
tonyyarussolol, longest factoid ever07:36
tonyyarussohrm07:36
tonyyarussoOh well, it's all important, and hopefully not often called in #ubuntu, so I'll leave it for now.07:36
tonyyarusso!no, herd5 is <alias> beta07:36
ubotuI'll remember that tonyyarusso07:36
tonyyarusso!herd407:36
ubotubeta is To download Feisty Fawn Beta, visit http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 - read the release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta and upgrade instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades, and consider doing the tests at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing - Just because it's almost ready doesn't mean you should use it.  Final releases happen when they do for a reason; unless you'd like to become famil07:36
Jucatohm...07:43
Jucato!beta07:43
ubotubeta is Download Feisty Fawn Beta at http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04, read release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta and upgrade instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades; consider doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing; Just because it's almost ready doesn't mean it is - final releases happen when they do for a reason, be warned and prepared for unbootable systems.07:43
Jucato!no beta is <reply> Download Feisty Fawn Beta at http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04, read release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta and upgrade instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades; consider doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing; Just because it's almost ready doesn't mean it is - final releases happen when they do for a reason, be warned and prepared for unbootable systems.07:43
ubotuI'll remember that Jucato07:43
Jucato!beta07:43
tonyyarussoJucato: Did you change anything?07:45
Jucato!beta07:45
tonyyarusso(I modified to fix the cutoff in /msg, btw)07:45
ubotuDownload Feisty Fawn Beta at http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04, read release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta and upgrade instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades; consider doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing; Just because it's almost ready doesn't mean it is - final releases happen when they do for a reason, be warned and prepared for unbootable systems.07:45
Jucatotonyyarusso: I removed the "beta is" part07:46
tonyyarussoJucato: Ah, good call07:46
Jucato:)07:46
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naliothi have just opened up #ubuntu-powerpc and #ubuntu-ppc since that platform is no longer supported by Ubuntu09:04
tonyyarussonalioth: One forwards to the other presumably?09:07
naliothtonyyarusso: do you use powerpc?09:08
tonyyarussonalioth: no09:08
tonyyarussoonly to compile09:08
naliothtonyyarusso: join #ubuntu-ppc please09:09
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Seveasatoponce, pong09:20
joejaxxSeveas: may i pm you?09:20
Seveasjoejaxx, no need to ask09:21
Seveaspm is always open09:21
naliothjoejaxx: are you causing trouble, again?09:21
joejaxxnope :)09:21
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apokryphosnalioth: well, it is supported by the community (like universe and multiverse), but it may be good to gather them around anyway 8)11:14
Jucatoround 'em up! :)11:15
naliothi'm currently having fun with herd 5 LiveCD on my iMac11:17
naliothi'm amazed that sound and video work ootb now11:18
apokryphoscool11:18
apokryphosBeryl and Compiz merging? woooooooah11:18
apokryphosReally quite surprised11:19
GazzaKyeah, that is something I never expected11:21
GazzaKI hope they get the best of both, as then it'll be fab11:22
naliothGazzaK: isn't that the point of a merge?11:26
GazzaKwell yeah :p11:26
GazzaKokay, hope they keep the bits I like and lose the bits I don't11:26
apokryphosObviously it's a great idea, but....11:31
apokryphos"We do indeed need to choose a third, new name in a merge, and of course (again) rename the beryl-named components, for the obvious reasons."11:31
apokryphos.._what?_11:31
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apokryphosI'm gonna post on the list11:31
GazzaKnooooo, it'll cause a fight :p11:32
mc44I hope they go with comperyl11:32
naliothmc44: i think a drug company has copyrighted that name11:33
naliothdon't use it again.11:33
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mc44oh dear everything is wobbling now11:34
GazzaKhow about bouncy-majik... say's what it does on the tin11:34
naliothmc44: does 'everthing' have transparent transformations?11:37
mc44nalioth: yeah, and motion blur. Wow this stuff is good11:38
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GazzaKapokryphos, the ban you set in #ubuntu seems to cause problems for a user named maltron11:39
GazzaKthe one for *malt*11:39
apokryphoshm11:39
naliothapokryphos: ruh roh11:40
apokryphosI have spoken to him; he's not malt :P. I'll just change the bans for now.11:40
naliothapokryphos: ban wisely11:40
GazzaKyeah, he was pleasant :-)11:40
Hobbseeheh11:40
nalioththis is not 'spray and pray'11:40
GazzaKlol11:40
apokryphosmalt* is hardly spray and pray11:41
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naliothapokryphos: it hit maltron the innocent11:42
apokryphosbad maltron11:43
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ubotuIn #ubuntu, kazim86 said: ubotu: who is your master?01:30
GazzaKhaha01:31
PriceChildSeveas, ^01:33
PriceChild:P01:33
effie_jayxhehe01:43
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=== nalioth smells mutton
naliothdsfgsdk: is a common troll nick asking common troll questions02:12
effie_jayxmutton?02:12
naliotheffie_jayx: do you know what mutton is?02:13
effie_jayxno :S02:13
naliothmutton is the meat of sheep02:14
effie_jayxright02:14
effie_jayxehehehe ... I got the pun now02:14
effie_jayxnalioth,  thanks02:15
naliothde nada02:15
naliothTROLL. TROLL. TROLLLLL02:18
PriceChildhehe02:19
Hobbseeoookay then02:24
PriceChildHobbsee, go to bed! :P02:25
HobbseePriceChild: NO!!!02:28
PriceChild:)02:28
ompaul@now dublin02:28
UbugtuCurrent time in Europe/Dublin: March 24 2007, 13:29:02 - Next meeting: MOTU in 2 days02:29
effie_jayxhehe02:30
HobbseeMOTU meeting?02:33
ompaulI do this for hobbsee >> s/\?/\./02:34
Hobbseemigth even be able to make that one, too02:34
effie_jayxhow do I trigger the automatix info on ubotu02:52
PriceChild !automatix02:52
ubotuautomatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe02:52
PriceChildgah I thoguht the space would stop it02:52
effie_jayxcool02:52
effie_jayx:D02:52
naliothPriceChild: you know you live to spam.02:53
PriceChildI tried!!! :)02:53
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PriceChildgrrrr03:00
effie_jayxwhat ? don't like butter popcorn?03:06
effie_jayx:S03:06
PriceChildnope, summit else03:06
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atoponceSeveas: i was just going to ask where i could find your chanserv helper script for xchat, but i found it03:59
atoponcejust looking for something similar to either download or code for irssi04:00
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ubotuIn ubotu, Pricey said: no feisty is <reply> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)05:56
Priceygah05:57
naliothalways causing trouble . . . .06:01
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ikonia_sorry called ops -should have asked in here06:12
ikonia_apokryphos: apologies - quick on the draw06:13
PriceChildikonia_, no you did the right one :)06:13
PriceChild(i think :P )06:13
apokryphossure06:13
ikonia_he wasn't being rude I could/should have probably just asked in here06:13
ikonia_a tad trigger happy06:14
apokryphosbut he was mildly flooding, so it's the right call06:14
apokryphosikonia_: a small tip: so ops know the reason for you using !ops straight away, you can do this: !ops | X and Y are flooding06:15
ikonia_apokryphos: ahhh that gets piped through - thanks06:16
Tm_Thmm, is calling people idiots polite?06:17
ikonia_not really06:18
naliothTm_T: yes, it is.06:18
ikonia_is it ?06:18
naliothif the shoe fits . . .06:18
ikonia_ooooh cool06:18
Tm_Theh06:18
PriceChildits "politer" than some things...06:18
PriceChild* "more polite"06:18
ikonia_I once got banned for saying someone was too dumb to use ubuntu06:18
apokryphosTm_T: where?06:18
ikonia_I thought idiot was much worse than that06:18
Tm_Tapokryphos: #ubuntu+1, first calling sabdfl as liar and explaining it by calling users idiots06:19
apokryphoswell, he does lie, but.... ;-)06:19
Tm_Tbut hey, you can't say it out loud! ;)06:19
naliothhow else can you describe "Bob" who came in to #help yesterday complaing about his user password.  "Bob" was identified to services, so i told "Bob" to /msg nickserv set password NEWPASS.  Turns out "Bob" didn't have any trouble with "Bob", but instead was having password trouble with his other nick "Robert_Pince_Nez" (and he expected us all to know that)06:19
ikoniahe's a good user he just gets frustred by people not listening or playing dum06:20
nalioth"Bob" was an idiot.06:20
Tm_Tnalioth: true06:20
Tm_Tapokryphos: not that he's been bad boy, just find it bit funny to have that agressive attitude06:21
ikoniahey PriceChild I didn't realise that we're currenlty hosting the beryl trac at the moment06:21
ikonia(we as in cross-lfs)06:21
PriceChildikonia, pardon?06:21
ikoniaPriceChild: you work on beryl don't you06:21
PriceChildikonia, "work on"... haha... I've packages a few releases and host repos. I also support, but i don't work on the code06:22
ikoniaPriceChild: ahhh apologies thats why my comment made no sense to you06:22
PriceChild> pm06:23
ikoniaPriceChild: sure06:23
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apokryphosPriceChild: so what's happening about release? Compiz+Beryl on the CDs still?06:24
PriceChildapokryphos, compiz on cd. beryl in universe06:24
apokryphosI see; good to know.06:24
PriceChildapokryphos, did you know they're merging?06:24
apokryphosyeah06:24
apokryphosI also complained on the list about the apparent decision to get a new name06:25
apokryphoshm, not sure if it's gone through though; must see if I set myself up properly06:25
apokryphosPriceChild: are you on the beryl-dev list?06:25
PriceChildapokryphos, no but i read it06:26
Amaranthkick?07:15
Amaranthmaybe not a ban though07:15
Amaranthalright, leave the ban07:16
Amaranth:D07:16
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r0bbycould one of you please remove my ban :-x07:17
Netham45can someone please remove my ban in #ubuntu?07:17
r0bbyI didn't do anything :(07:17
ompaulr0bby, why?07:17
ompaulyou hit !ops07:17
Netham45Im sorry I mass-ctcp'd the channel07:17
r0bbybecause i didn't do anything07:17
r0bbyI figured it'd just give me a list07:17
naliothr0bby: you hit !ops , TWICE07:17
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ompaulin two channels07:17
r0bbyI hit it oNCE07:17
darxxgreetings folks07:17
naliothr0bby: you did it in #ubuntu and #ubuntu+107:18
r0bbyompaul: I pasted it for the user07:18
darxxi got banned for pasting a bunch of text07:18
r0bbyi apologize07:18
Netham45I got banned for sending a CTCP to the channel... can I be unbanned?07:18
darxxplease remove the ban coz i'm a noob and i didn't know what i was doing07:18
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r0bbysorry07:18
r0bby...any chance that ban can be lifted07:18
naliothNetham45: darxx: you've both been heard07:19
Netham45i know what I did, I admit to it, woo, can I be unbanned now?07:19
darxxi sincerely apologise for any inconveniance cause07:19
r0bby\that wasnt seual07:19
r0bby:/07:19
ompaulr0bby, cease conversing I am thinking07:19
AmaranthHow do we handle Seveas's autobans?07:19
naliothAmaranth: we let seveas handle them07:19
ompaulthey are his07:19
darxxnalioth: i was rabidphage when i got banned i guess07:19
gnomefreakompaul: yes thats the same ferronica07:20
AmaranthNetham45: you'll have to talk to Seveas07:20
Netham45who's Seveas?07:20
gnomefreakshe was trollling in #ubuntu a few days ago07:20
r0bbyanother op07:20
Amaranthdarxx: you too07:20
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ompaulgf ask / suggest in -ot07:20
Amaranthonly the person that banned you can unban you07:20
darxxAmaranth: talk to seveas about what?07:21
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r0bbyNO! don't ban evade that's a bad thing07:21
gnomefreakyeah i saw but the trolling gave it away in #ubuntu about a week ago maybe 5 days07:21
Amaranthdarxx: about getting the ban removed07:22
=== Netham45 feels... politically incorrect today.....
Amaranthr0bby: future reference: /msg ubotu !ops > darxx   would have done what you wanted without pinging us07:23
r0bbyAmaranth: I know in the future i will07:24
r0bbyIn all honesty i was trying to help him07:24
r0bbynot annoy you guys07:24
darxxr0bby: thanks for your troubles.07:25
r0bbyso I apologize07:25
r0bbydarxx: it's no problem...even tho it got me banned...07:25
Amaranthso, i think r0bby at least can be excused07:26
darxxr0bby: oh no.. what can i say07:26
Amaranthbut it's not up to me07:26
Amaranthompaul, nalioth: ?07:26
ompaulI lifted it07:26
Amaranthalright07:26
ompaulokay those with no business in the house of insanity sorry ops are free to go07:27
ompaul:)07:27
darxxthere is no reply from seveas on private chat?07:27
naliothdarxx: he's asleep.07:27
ompaulmore than likely not07:27
r0bbyompaul: when have I ever caused trouble to begin with?07:27
darxxok07:27
Amaranthdarxx, Netham45: I'm sure Seveas will lift your bans when he gets back on IRC07:27
Amaranththey weren't serious or anything07:27
ompaulr0bby, now by asking me when :)07:27
darxxAmaranth: wow cool07:27
ompaulr0bby, seriously !ops is like hitting the fire alarm07:28
ompaulas you can see07:28
r0bbyI didn't know that07:28
ompaulyou bring three ops vocally to you and who knows how many others are watching07:28
ompaulit lights up screens of 30 people07:28
ompaulthere will be scroll backs and the rest of it07:28
r0bbyyeh07:29
r0bbyompaul: I didn't mean to cause trouble07:29
r0bbyI'm a good boy07:29
r0bbysort of :P07:29
ompaul21 actually07:29
ompaulbut anyway07:29
ompaulothers will highlight on ops :)07:29
ompaullets leave it07:29
nalioth  /msg ubotu ops  | !tell NICK about ops   | !ops > NICK   all will work without raising cain07:30
ompaulor ompaul for that matter07:30
darxxthank you guys and r0bby thanks for taking the trouble..07:31
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r0bbynext time im not taking time to help users07:36
r0bbymoral of the story07:37
r0bbyg'day ompaul thank you and sorry to annoy you07:37
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Seveasautobans that are old can be removed anyway07:45
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PriceChildHaha its tsmithe's turn tonight LjL ;)09:52
tsmitheuhoh what??09:52
tsmithemy crappy connection?09:52
PriceChild:)09:53
tsmithehnngh09:54
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B|nTaRalo10:27
tsmithehi10:27
B|nTaRaany ops alive ?10:28
Seveasyes10:28
tsmitheB|nTaRa, well, i was gonna play along pretending that i was an op, but, well, you just had to go ruin it by asking that question first.10:28
tsmithe:P10:28
B|nTaRa:)10:29
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Seveasyou should10:29
PriceChildB|nTaRa, you want a test?10:29
B|nTaRaUpon fixing this issue you will NOT automatically be allowed to rejoin #ubuntu if you have been temporarly forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. You will need to alert an op to the situation and he will assist you in rejoining #ubuntu.10:29
B|nTaRathats why im here10:29
PriceChildplease join #pricechild :)10:29
tsmitheSeveas, oh yea10:30
tsmithemake me :P10:30
tsmithe(don't tell me that was a bad move)10:30
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tsmitheoh dear10:30
Seveashide10:30
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SeveasI can still smell you10:30
tsmithethat's cos i farted10:30
PuMpErNiCkLe@lart tsmithe10:31
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tsmithethat was uncalled for10:31
tsmithe:'(10:31
PriceChild@btlogin10:32
GazzaKhee10:40
tsmithehoo10:41
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Seveas!ops-#ubuntuforums11:21
ubotuHelp PriceChild, zenrox, byen, frodon, KiwiNZ, zenwhen, jdong, KingBahamut, nocturn, ubuntugeek, ubuntu_demon, darkmatter_, Brunellus, BuffaloSoldier, panickedthumb, jenda, rav_tux, Vorian, MikeB-, k_mandla or bapoumba!11:21
Seveasdo you really tolerate things in there like what's going on now? The language and botabuse are awful11:21
jendahuh11:22
Seveas'dicking around'11:22
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Seveas'you suck'11:22
Seveasabusing the bots to the point where I pull them out11:22
Seveasto give a few examples11:22
jendaSeveas: who abused the bots?11:24
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jendaThose bastards aren't making it easy for me :/11:45
GazzaKban them all, that'll make it quieter11:47
jendacertainly.11:48
mc44or just get GazzaK to scare them all into silence :)11:48
jendahehe11:48
jendaGazzaK: get to it ;)11:48
atoponcejenda: so, what's going on?11:49
jendabah, #ubuntuforums is infested with people that insist on using bad language just to show they can, or just to show they are being censored.11:50
GazzaKI tried, but failed11:50
GazzaKover to you jenda11:50
jendahehe11:51
mc44GazzaK: you scared me into silence :)11:51
GazzaKsee, result :p11:51
jenda:)11:51
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jenda1112:08
jendaoops12:08
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Seveasjenda, 1212:13
jenda12???!12:13
jendaNo way.12:13
jenda1112:13
FujitsuBah, it's obviously 13.12:13
mc44@4212:15
UbugtuOkay, so ten out of ten for style, but minus several millions for good thinking, yeah?12:15
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