[01:00] <Orionisti> Hi again
[01:01] <Orionisti> First of all I'd like to know someone is actually reading these lines, before I start talking about my problem =)
[01:02] <Qew> seriously, just ask your question and wait for a response. It's best that way.
[01:03] <Orionisti> Well, perhaps so...
[01:03] <Qew> as they say, cut to the chase ;)
[01:04] <Orionisti> Problem is this: My Xubuntu install hangs after it has loaded the frames of the install window.
[01:04] <Qew> done an MD5 check on the ISO before you burned it?
[01:05] <Orionisti> No, used Bittorrent, but used the inbuilt CD check, too
[01:05] <Qew> ah, ok
[01:06] <Orionisti> The computer is rather old, only 128 MB RAM, but according to the webpage that should be enough for the installation.
[01:07] <Qew> well, you need the alternate installation CD. The live distro install needs 192MB RAM
[01:07] <Orionisti> oh, I see
[01:07] <Orionisti> So the live distro can't take advantage of a swap partition on the HDD?
[01:08] <Qew> well, it's not that as such. The alternate one is text based (not hard to use, though), so needs less resources.
[01:08] <Orionisti> I see
[01:09] <Qew> what computer architecture have you got and what version of Xubuntu do you want?
[01:09] <Orionisti> x86, preferably latest
[01:09] <Qew> do you want a torrent or would you like a direct FTP download?
[01:09] <TheSheep> Orionisti: latest stable or latest beta?
[01:10] <Qew> Orionisti: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/xubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[01:10] <Qew> that's the torrent one... naturally
[01:10] <Orionisti> As long as it works =D Well, stable would be preferable since I'm a newcomer to Xubuntu
[01:10] <Orionisti> Thanks Qew
[01:11] <Qew> np... hopefully you'll be able to install it this time
[01:11] <Orionisti> But I can update the programs to latest beta with Adept or similar once I get it up and running, and if I find the need for that
[01:13] <Orionisti> Heh, the alternate CD isn't quite as popular as the live CD, only 150 KB/s... But it's ok, I have time.
[01:15] <Qew> yes, as long as you change the repositories to the new beta or whatever. Personally, I'd suggest, considering you're new to Ubuntu, you should stick to releases rather than betas. But, yeah, you can upgrade to new releases, etc.
[01:17] <Orionisti> indeed. I have been using Knoppix for a few months now, but it being a live CD by it's nature didn't quite want to be installed on a HDD =)
[01:18] <Orionisti> Well, thank you for this advice and if there's something I don't understand with the text-based install or it has some problems too, I'll come back here.
[01:19] <Qew> sure, someone will be able to help you
[01:20] <Qew> Orionisti: http://ubuntuforums.org/
[01:20] <Qew> go there for help, too
[01:20] <Qew> lots of info, etc
[01:22] <enderxim> Is there any way for me to do a clean install of xubuntu from ubuntu using only an iso file? i haven't got any cdrs or dvdrs handy but i'm an impatient person.
[01:23] <TheSheep> !install | enderxim
[01:23] <ubotu> enderxim: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[01:24] <TheSheep> enderxim: there are several ways
[01:24] <enderxim> TheSheep, Thank you,  I'll have a look around.
[01:27] <redwyrm> hello again. Is it possible to make Thunar's left pane be a certain width by default? I'd like it to be as narrow as possible.
[01:27] <TheSheep> redwyrm: it remembers the last width
[01:35] <redwyrm> oh!
[01:53] <Athensman> is xubuntu or ubuntu better for a 366 celeron and 256 ram??
[01:55] <ormiret> probably safer with Xubuntu on that spec, a little on the light side for ubuntu
[01:56] <Athensman> ok will it run faster than windows??
[01:57] <ormiret> depends on what version of windows and how you measure faster - graphics are often faster in windows as the GUI is more closely linked into the system and actually doing things faster in linux.
[01:58] <Athensman> well i have 98
[02:01] <Athensman> well
[02:05] <slvmchn> hey, i installed xubuntu on a machine here, and i found a nice option for embedding a command line prompt within my top panel
[02:05] <slvmchn> any idea how to do this on regular ubuntu?
[02:05] <slvmchn> or is that an xfce thing
[02:07] <ormiret> I think deskbar-applet does command line and other stuff besides.
[02:11] <jmichaelx> are any others having issues with video cards, wireless, etc. in feisty? i have no X and no wireless when booting into the 2.6.20-12 kernel, but all works in -10. i do appear to have the restricted modules installed, so i am not sure what else to try.
[02:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Not I - I just upgraded to -12 a few hours ago.  What video and wireless cards do you have?
[02:15] <Athensman> is xubuntu good for a 366 celeron and a 256 ram
[02:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It'll be fine.
[02:16] <Athensman> will it run better than win98
[02:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Hard to say - I think they're pretty close.
[02:16] <Athensman> i hope not
[02:17] <Athensman> even win98 is slow
[02:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Has it been installed long?
[02:17] <Athensman> no 2 days
[02:20] <jmichaelx> PuMpErNiCkLe: i have an older nvidia card using the legacy drivers, and a ralink usb wireless adapter
[02:21] <jmichaelx> also, the mouse i was using will no longer work in feisty.... it is a PS/2 mouse connected via a DIN adapter.... it worked from breezy to edgy, but dead in feisty
[02:22] <jmichaelx> i need to learn how to file bug reports, if the mouse issue would even be considered a bug
[02:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Bugs aren't terribly difficult to file: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[02:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Does X show any error messages when it fails?
[02:24] <jmichaelx> PuMpErNiCkLe: i believe so, although i would have to reboot to check again
[02:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Nah, they'd be logged.
[02:25] <jmichaelx> ok yeah, sorry wasn't thinking
[02:26] <jmichaelx> what is the path to the log?
[02:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[02:27] <jmichaelx> ty
[02:27] <jmichaelx> brb
[02:30] <jmichaelx> PuMpErNiCkLe: it shows no errors
[02:31] <jmichaelx> except the wacom errors, of course
[02:45] <PuMpErNiCkLe> jmichaelx: I usually remove those sections.
[02:45] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I have no wacom devices, and unnecessary errors bug me.
[02:46] <jmichaelx> PuMpErNiCkLe: me , too lol
[02:55] <Athensman> is xubuntu good for a 366 celeron and 256 ram??
[02:58] <Athensman> hello???
[02:58] <jmichaelx> Athensman: it should work fine
[02:59] <Athensman> will it run better than win98
[03:00] <slvmchn> i would say yes
[03:00] <Athensman> all i want this machine to do is play dvd's and play mp3's and watch tv
[03:00] <jmichaelx> Athensman: probably about the same except that it will be way more stable, and will have current software and security updates
[03:00] <slvmchn> Athensman: google mplayer and get the codecs pack they have on their site
[03:01] <slvmchn> it will save you a lot of time
[03:01] <Athensman> is this for linux
[03:01] <slvmchn> i don't even use mplayer as a media player, but that package fixed it so i could watch wmv's across the board
[03:01] <slvmchn> yeah
[03:01] <jmichaelx> xubuntu will be far more stable than win98 ever was
[03:02] <Athensman> well i am also looking for speed as much as possible
[03:02] <slvmchn> brb
[03:02] <jmichaelx> yeah, you're machine is a little old to be a rock and roll multimedia machine
[03:03] <Athensman> lol
[03:03] <Athensman> well i just want to get the best out of it i can
[03:03] <jmichaelx> it should play music fine.... streaming video will be a problem. don't know about DVDs
[03:03] <Athensman> should i duel boot
[03:04] <jmichaelx> Athensman: but, i like old hardware, and i like to make use of it, too
[03:04] <jmichaelx> Athensman: it depends on how much hard drive space you have
[03:04] <Athensman> i have 40 gig
[03:04] <jmichaelx> in that case there is no reason why you couldn't dual boot
[03:05] <Athensman> i thought i would do it until i get use to it
[03:05] <Athensman> since i have mp3's on windows can i transfer it to linux??
[03:06] <jmichaelx> Athensman: yeah, plus... win98 uses FAT, so your xubuntu should be able to play all of your mp3's from your windows partition... you would not even have to move them
[03:06] <Athensman> kool
[03:07] <jmichaelx> just remember that after you install xubuntu, you will need to install the codecs that allow MP3's to work.
[03:08] <Athensman> that is why you guys are here to help me lol
[03:08] <Athensman> i know about 2 weeks ago
[03:08] <jmichaelx> if you are wanting to go even more light-weight, you could look at 'fluxbuntu'.... it is not an official ubuntu project, but it is still pretty interesting
[03:09] <Athensman> i tried to install it and i had win2kpro on there
[03:09] <Athensman> it would not install
[03:09] <jmichaelx> hmm, that is strange. it should have installed
[03:09] <Athensman> nope
[03:09] <Athensman> it went to a black screen and all i saw was a blinking _
[03:10] <jmichaelx> well, it may have been an issue with your video card drivers
[03:10] <jmichaelx> hard to tell
[03:10] <jmichaelx> can you run xubuntu now as a live-CD?
[03:10] <Athensman> well ia m fixing to try it
[03:16] <Athensman> how long does it take to install
[03:23] <Athensman> jmichaelx
[03:26] <Athensman> can anyone help me
[03:28] <enderxim> I just installed xubuntu-desktop and removed ubuntu-desktop, and my sound stopped working. any advice?
[03:28] <Athensman> can anyone help me
[03:32] <Athensman>  xubuntu will not install it goes to all black screen
[03:45] <grazie> Athensman: are you using the desktop cd?
[05:22] <Athensman> anyone here know how to use gnome partition editor??
[05:24] <tonyyarusso> Athensman: Depends what you need to do, prolly
[05:29] <Athensman> tonyyarusso u here
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> Athensman: yep
[05:29] <Athensman> ok
[05:29] <Athensman> i have win98 already on my hd
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[05:29] <Athensman> i am trying to install
[05:29] <Athensman> xbuntu
[05:29] <Athensman> i want to keep my 98 os
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> !dualboot | as a start
[05:30] <ubotu> as a start: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[05:31] <Athensman> why defragmend>
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> Defragging first helps make sure the partition is sane, and you aren't going to be chopping off files or making wrong sizes and such (plus you should do it regularly anyway on Windows)
[05:33] <Athensman> i have only had it on ther for 2 days
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> Shouldn't take long then
[06:57] <Athensman> anyone here
[06:57] <ormiret> yes
[06:58] <Athensman> how easy is this os to use?
[07:00] <ormiret> That is almost imposible to answer. I find it works pretty much as I'd expect, but it is different to Windows so there will be a learning curve coming from there.
[07:00] <Athensman> yea no crap
[07:00] <Athensman> i am stuck
[07:00] <Athensman> i just got it up
[07:00] <Athensman> and have no idea what to do
[07:02] <ormiret> The desktop guide gives a bit of an overview: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
[07:08] <Athensman> LINUX SUCKS
[07:08] <ormiret> what's wrong with it?
[07:08] <Athensman> it sucks
[07:10] <ormiret> if you can tell me what you don't like about xubuntu I might be able to point you at something that doesn't work that way. THere is huge variation in the 'Linux' world.
[07:20] <Athensman> well back to windows
[07:20] <BFTD> NO!!!
[07:21] <redwyrm> lol
[07:21] <Athensman> yep
[07:21] <redwyrm> so _how_ does Linux suck, specifically?
[07:22] <Athensman> my god you have to download about 1,000 things to get one thing to work
[07:22] <tonyyarusso> Or, in your case, _one_ thing....
[07:22] <tonyyarusso> If you'd like to PayPal me $399 I'd gladly do it for you.
[07:22] <redwyrm> that would only be a problem if you have dialup...
[07:23] <Athensman> whatever
[08:01] <kumamoto> don't know what distro u r using but the dependencies usually resolve themselves
[08:02] <kumamoto> that is when u r using the packaged deals but when using source I agree with u there linux sucks on that point
[08:03] <Mark999> Ultra newbie Q:  how can i find my machine's ip address?
[08:03] <Mark999> i'm guessing there's a simple shell command
[08:08] <BFTD> Mark999 ifconfig
[08:10] <Mark999> ahhhhh.  thanks.
[08:15] <Mark999> thanks again bftd
[08:16] <BFTD> no problem Mark999
[08:16] <Mark999> very helpful
[08:22] <Athensman> anyone here
[08:30] <moforila> Somthing has gone wrong with my xubuntu 64 OS, windows manager no longer loads, all i get is a "busybox 1.1.3v....
[08:31] <moforila> " /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off
[08:31] <moforila> intramfs on console
[08:31] <moforila> What can I do?
[08:33] <grazie> moforila: have you tried booting with an older kernel version?
[08:33] <moforila> yes, the .10 and the recovery modes, all do the same thing
[08:34] <Athensman> how do you know if xubuntu sees my tv tuner card
[08:34] <moforila> The last thing i did was a bios flash, should this effect ubuntu
[08:35] <grazie> moforila: certainly affects the hardware interface
[08:35] <grazie> moforila: do you dual boot?
[08:38] <Athensman> anyone here have a tv tuner card
[08:39] <Athensman> anyone here have a tv tuner card
[08:44] <Athensman> anyone here have a tv tuner card
[08:49] <moforila> grazie, i do dual boot, and i flashed tro fix a hdd dection problem
[08:49] <moforila> grazie, should i repair the grub loader? How is this done?
[08:50] <grazie> moforila: looks like the flash has caused problems. Does the other OS (XP?) still boot?
[08:51] <moforila> yes, im it now
[08:51] <moforila> it fixed the hdd problem
[08:51] <grazie> that's good news
[08:51] <moforila> i had flashed before without affecting ubuntu
[08:51] <moforila> could updates have done this
[08:52] <moforila> or random adding of packages
[08:52] <Athensman> anyone here have a tv tuner card
[08:53] <moforila> yes
[08:53] <moforila> but not using it in ubuntu
[08:53] <Athensman> damnit
[08:53] <Athensman> i need help
[08:53] <grazie> moforila: no I don't think the problem is due to ubuntu updates. Maybe your device names have changes caused by the flash
[08:54] <moforila> Athensman, with this stuff you really need to help your self, start by googling the tv card name and linux drivers ect
[08:54] <moforila> grazie, is the problem in the grub loader or with the kernal, whats the frist step in resolving this
[08:54] <moforila> any repair like tools?
[08:55] <moforila> Kind of like the windows repair cd thing
[08:56] <grazie> moforila: I'd suggest booting with the live cd and checking the disk device names, making sure /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab match
[08:58] <moforila> ok, also i did switch the sata cables this also maybe a problem
[08:59] <grazie> moforila: that would certainly cause problems. Why the switch?
[09:00] <Athensman> anyone here have a tv tuner card
[09:14] <Athensman> linux sucks
[09:16] <darrend> go and use windows then
[09:58] <catid> hello..
[09:59] <catid> would someone please recommend a guide for setting up the xfce desktop environment for Ubuntu from an existing installation of GNOME Ubuntu?
[10:00] <catid> !xubuntu
[10:00] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[10:32] <catid> !xubuntu
[10:32] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[10:32] <catid> xubuntu added a few hundred megs of apps that it didn't uninstall when i removed it
[10:33] <catid> is there a big list of packages somewhere?
[10:36] <grazie> catid: >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[12:02] <B|nTaRa> if u se ntfs-3g to write data from linux to ntfs partition
[12:02] <B|nTaRa> will be able to open the partition again when im on windows ?
[12:26] <albert> hi
[12:26] <albert> i have a question concerning xmms
[12:27] <albert> i'm so used to double-klick - enque with winamp to create playlists and i miss it very much.
[12:27] <albert> and if it's poosible too: is there way of creating a right-click-menu-entry for "play in xmms" and "enque in playlist" for folders containing music files as well as music files
[12:30] <B|nTaRa> !xmms
[12:30] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[12:31] <albert> well...
[12:35] <B|nTaRa> i dont use xmms
[12:35] <B|nTaRa> i use amarok
[12:35] <B|nTaRa> cant help ya much
[12:36] <B|nTaRa> and even when i use my xp box
[12:36] <B|nTaRa> i dont use winamp , i use iTeunes
[12:36] <B|nTaRa> i dont use winamp , i use iTunes
[12:37] <albert> kk, thx anyway
[01:24] <tudaio> hi room, anyone can help me with modem drivers ???
[02:15] <Pnquin007> Hi, anybody which have laptop Acer Aspire 3650
[02:17] <MrPag> hello folks
[02:18] <MrPag> does anyone know of a problem - a black square appearing in the top left corner when adding xubuntu-desktop to an upgraded 6.06 to 6.10 ubuntu
[02:19] <MrPag> that is removed as soon as one of the panels is moved
[02:20] <Pnquin007> I've problem with sound and ACPI o Acer Aspire 3650 (Intel Celeron, ATI200 chipset). Laptop sounds, but i can't setup volume, microphone is off. ACPI doesn't send informations to programs which a don't wanna run on battery and when i close display, laptop doesn't susspend.
[03:09] <Orionisti> Hi again
[03:09] <Orionisti> I'm installing Xubuntu on my laptop with the alternate CD and I need some help with the partitioning...
[03:11] <Orionisti> I was thinking to create a 1 GB swap partition and separate partitions for the OS and /home/ so if I decided to reinstall my OS I wouldn't lose my /home/. What size should the OS partition be? I have 40 gig HDD.
[03:15] <Orionisti> Also what file system would you recommend?
[03:18] <TheSheep> Orionisti: how much ram do yu have?
[03:18] <TheSheep> Orionisti: generally ext3 is best supported
[03:18] <Orionisti> 128
[03:18] <TheSheep> a gig of swap seems like much... but then again, if you have 40GB
[03:19] <Orionisti> I can spare one gig for a swap, better too much than too little
[03:19] <TheSheep> Orionisti: I think that 5GB for system should be safe and leave you some room for extending
[03:19] <TheSheep> Orionisti: my install is 3GB right now, for example
[03:19] <Orionisti> thanks
[03:20] <TheSheep> it needs some free space for things in /tmp
[03:20] <TheSheep> and /var
[03:20] <TheSheep> especially if you plan to burn cd images
[03:21] <Orionisti> I don't have a CD burner in this laptop
[03:22] <Orionisti> I have now 1 gb swap and 39 gb ext3, how do I divide the 39 gb to 5 + 34 ?
[03:22] <TheSheep> Orionisti: just create a 5GB partition
[03:22] <TheSheep> and then create a partition from the rest
[03:23] <Orionisti> That's the thing, I don't know how to create a new partition.
[03:24] <TheSheep> Orionisti: there should be an option in the installer?
[03:25] <Orionisti> oh I see
[03:25] <Orionisti> I had to delete the existing partition and make the new ones from the free space
[03:25] <Orionisti> the 5 GB should be Primary?
[03:26] <TheSheep> yes, 5GB is / and the 34GB is /home
[03:26] <TheSheep> ah, not necessarily
[03:26] <TheSheep> sorry
[03:26] <TheSheep> linux doesn't care
[03:26] <Orionisti> ok
[03:26] <TheSheep> it can isntall to primary or secondary partition
[03:28] <Orionisti> Allright, now I have 1.1 GB Swap, 5.0 GB ext3 for / and 34.0 GB ext3 for /home
[03:32] <Orionisti> Oh my.
[03:33] <Orionisti> I got Debootstrap-error
[03:33] <Orionisti> Release-file is no good, no proper parts.
[03:34] <Orionisti> Install base-system failed.
[03:35] <Orionisti> Any ideas on how to proceed?
[03:39] <Orionisti> oh, ok, apparently there was a read error on the CD I just burned on a high-quality media..... Are CD's supposed to degrade in 3 minutes?
[03:39] <Orionisti> sigh
[03:40] <Orionisti> Is there any way to perform net-install with the alternate CD? It would seem that the laptop CD drive has some issues of its own.
[03:48] <Orionisti> So how should I proceed?
[03:53] <AaronMT> burn on a secondary machine?
[03:58] <Orionisti> That is a possibility, but I'm running a CD integrity-check at the moment to make sure the CD is fine.
[04:02] <Orionisti> someone seems to have some connection-issues....
[04:06] <Andeh> Hello
[04:06] <Andeh> My Mail Notifier thing doesnt do anything when i click on it, and right clicking doesnt help either
[04:16] <Erwin87> Hello?
[04:17] <IndyGunFreak> How do you adjust the clock in Xfce?
[04:18] <Erwin87> When i startup Xubuntu, i don't have window borders, what can i do about it?
[04:22] <IndyGunFreak> Erwin87: what do you mean no window borders?
[04:23] <Erwin87> when i start firefox for example, i can't move the window of change windowsize etc
[04:24] <Erwin87> but when i (manually) run xfwm4, everything seems normal
[04:25] <crdlb> Erwin87, can you move windows with alt+drag ?
[04:26] <Erwin87> it;s all fine now, because i started xfwm4, but when i log in again, the borders are gone
[04:27] <Erwin87> even the panel with the little screens at the lower right are gone then
[04:27] <Erwin87> (i installed (x)ubuntu yesterday)
[04:29] <Erwin87> hmm i can't start firefox anymore now, maybe xubuntu isn't installed right
[04:30] <Erwin87> how can i find out if xubuntu has all packages etc arweinstalled properly?
[04:30] <Erwin87> brb
[04:33] <Orionisti> Ok, I solved the problem, I'm now installing an english system instead of a finnish one, and it seems to have done the trick. Base-system is now installing.
[04:35] <Erwin87> crashed.. ;(
[04:36] <Erwin87> it's not running stable..
[04:39] <IndyGunFreak> Erwin87: system specs?
[04:40] <Erwin87> pentium 3 600MHz, 256 ram that's all i know
[04:41] <IndyGunFreak> hmm
[04:41] <Erwin87> but has anyone a solution for the xfwm4 problem (no window borders)?
[04:42] <IndyGunFreak> Erwin87: no idea, never had that problem
[04:42] <Erwin87> i installed xubuntu using apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[04:43] <IndyGunFreak> whats your main desktop?
[04:43] <IndyGunFreak> Gnome or KDE?
[04:43] <Erwin87> i installed from the Ubuntu live cd, si Gnome i guess
[04:44] <Erwin87> then isntalled xubuntu-desktop\
[04:44] <Erwin87> xfce, right?
[04:44] <IndyGunFreak> does Gnome work ok?..
[04:44] <Erwin87> yes
[04:45] <IndyGunFreak> i really don't know, my Laptop runs Xubuntu 6.10, and it looks fi9ne
[04:45] <IndyGunFreak> gotta be a setting or something
[04:46] <Erwin87> maybe it is possible to completely romove the xubuntu-desktop and the reinstall?
[04:46] <Erwin87> i use 6.06 btw
[04:46] <IndyGunFreak> you could try that.
[04:47] <IndyGunFreak> why don't you just use Xubuntu
[04:47] <IndyGunFreak> if thats what you want?
[04:48] <Erwin87> i allready had a cd with ubuntu, but now i got this old pc to try linux installed
[04:48] <Erwin87> and i read on internet that xubuntu is faster
[04:49] <IndyGunFreak> Erwin87: Xubuntu does work better with Older hardware...
[04:49] <IndyGunFreak> however, i'm not sure you'll see the benefit having both desktops installed.
[04:50] <Erwin87> hmm but i can delete the gnome desktop..?
[04:50] <IndyGunFreak> yea, you should be able to, but i'd hold off on that till you have Xfce working properly
[04:50] <IndyGunFreak> or download Xubuntu 6.10, burn it, and do a clean install.
[04:51] <IndyGunFreak> i just don't understand why you're having this problem though
[04:52] <Erwin87> ok, first i am trying to reinstall xubuntu-desktop, if that doesn't workt i might burn a new cd
[04:52] <Erwin87> thanks for you help
[04:52] <Erwin87> bye
[04:54] <IndyGunFreak> Erwin87: no prob, hope it works.
[05:07] <totalwormage> zozo
[05:07] <totalwormage> een geert
[05:08] <[Geert> Totalwormage. ook een groet, komt niet vaak voor die naam maar ik ben er trots op
[05:10] <totalwormage> :p
[05:51] <Orionisti> Hi again, I'm now running the xubuntu on my laptop but I never set a root password for administrative tasks. How can I set a root password so I can update my system and install new programs?
[05:54] <B|nTaRa> !sudo > Orionisti
[05:55] <Orionisti> Thanks
[05:55] <B|nTaRa> cheers
[05:55] <Orionisti> I really should be more active at finding stuff out myself instead of pestering you guys all the time =)
[05:56] <B|nTaRa> Orionisti, u can pm ubotu and use !(command/help) on whatever u want
[06:35] <kalikiana> Neither the Tango nor the Gnome icon theme respect program's toolbar icon size. For small and large toolbars it's large icons.
[06:39] <TheSheep> hey guys, have you tried this? http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=55081
[06:50] <hyper_ch> !sudo | Orionisti
[06:50] <ubotu> Orionisti: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I have irssi running in a screen session on an openbsd server, which I connect to via ssh from my Ubuntu machine.  Can anyone think of a way for a hilight in irssi to trigger an event - preferably an audio notification - on the Ubuntu box?
[08:10] <enderxim> I'm having trouble setting up my sound card (SB Live! 5.1), in Xubuntu. Works fine using Ubuntu, but I just recently switched, and I get either no sound or really scratchy crappy sound. Any advice?
[08:12] <TheSheep> enderxim: it should work the same as in ubuntu, xubuntu is the same under the hood
[08:13] <enderxim> TheSheep, That's what I figured, but it doesn't work for me. I've purged alsa, reinstalled, used alsamixer to make sure it's not muted (I had to add snd-emu10k1 to /etc/modules in the first place as well), and tried a few other things.
[08:13] <enderxim> TheSheep, I cannot figure this out
[08:13] <TheSheep> enderxim: try setting the sliders in the xybuntu mixer to 3/4 value
[08:14] <TheSheep> enderxim: I'm having ba sound if one of the sliders is set to max and just chnaging the value with the other
[08:14] <TheSheep> bad
[08:14] <enderxim> TheSheep, Didn't do anything. grrr
[08:22] <FakeOutdoorsman> i'm running Openbox on a stripped down Xubuntu.  Anyone know of a NetworkManager equivalent?  I don't want to install 200mb o' Gnome junk.
[08:44] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:44] <FakeOutdoorsman> hej
[08:47] <nekr0z> Hello all! I'm trying to use xubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu Edgy, and have a problem: fonts in most programs become tiny. Back in GNOME all the fonts are big again. What can be the matter?
[08:48] <ron_o> I have a cyberpower 1285avr ups. I'm trying to get linux to read it thru the ups.
[08:49] <ron_o> nekr0z, check your resolution first. Besides that I've no idea. I know when I used xubuntu w/ ubuntu I had many conflicts so I went to just use xubuntu instead.
[08:49] <Ramla> nekr0z: perhaps you left the computer idle at gdm logon screen before logging in to xfce?
[08:50] <nekr0z> Ramla, I didn't.
[08:50] <Ramla> I have experienced this weird bug on two different installations, dapper and edgy.. whenever the screen goes to power saving mode and I come back to log on, the fonts become tiny.
[08:50] <nekr0z> ron_o, What can it be with resolution?
[08:50] <FakeOutdoorsman> nekr0z: your screen dpi may be set differently between Gnome and XFCE
[08:51] <nekr0z> The weirdest thing is, in Firefox the fonts are still of normal size. And in OpenOffice they seem to be even bigger than in GNOME
[08:52] <nekr0z> FakeOutdoorsman, Where would I look for it?
[08:53] <FakeOutdoorsman> nekr0z: I can't remember.  I don't think it is your problem, but it might be.
[08:53] <Ramla> I don't use Firefox or OpenOffice, so I can't compare to my bug, but bitmap fonts appear normal in my case
[08:54] <Ramla> nekr0z: what fixes my small fonts is X restart. Tried it?
[08:56] <FakeOutdoorsman> nekr0z: try this http://xubuntulinux.blogspot.com/2006/07/ubuntu-set-correct-dpi-for-x-server.html
[08:56] <nekr0z> Ramla, Not yet. I'll try now. But if this fixed it, I'd better stay in GNOME - needing to restart X after every suspend is definitely not what I expect from a decent system...
[08:56] <nekr0z> FakeOutdoorsman, Thanks for a link, I'll read it.
[08:57] <FakeOutdoorsman> or this http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/09/howto-fix-xfce-fonts/
[08:57] <Ramla> Mm, suspending.. Haven't done that. Maybe I should try to see if it has the same effect as power saving
[08:59] <nekr0z> Ramla, What's a power saving mode then?
[09:00] <FakeOutdoorsman> what does everyone here use to connect to wifi in xubuntu?
[09:00] <Ramla> Blank screen and monitor poweroff
[09:03] <PuMpErNiCkLe> FakeOutdoorsman: Wifi-radar seems popular.
[09:03] <FakeOutdoorsman> that's what I'm trying to use right now.
[09:04] <FakeOutdoorsman> on an ancient Toughbook CF-71
[09:18] <N6REJ> will someone please help me get my hp lj5p working in xfce?  lpinfo -v shows a canon, a epson, and a pdf printer none of which are real.
[09:18] <N6REJ> also when I open the browser it shows 6.06 even though I've done a dist-upgrade
[09:18] <N6REJ> from 6.10 ubuntu-server
[09:20] <TheSheep> N6REJ: the latter is a known bug, the version number was not updated
[09:22] <N6REJ> ok, I won't worry about it then, I've got a bunch of choices to choose from in cups and I don't know which is correct.
[09:22] <N6REJ> I've got windows printer via samba, 3 parrallell printers all pointing to lpt0 and the a new one for lpt1
[09:23] <N6REJ> I have 3 other machines that will need to use this printer.  a mac, xp, and kubuntu
[09:25] <N6REJ> is the beta stable enough to try for a home lan??/
[09:28] <TheSheep> N6REJ: well, I'm using the beta sinceDecember, and I don't complain about stability...
[09:31] <N6REJ> TheSheep: ok, great... I'll dl it.  Is it possible to upgrade to it?
[09:31] <TheSheep> N6REJ: yes
[09:31] <N6REJ> TheSheep: ok cool,, tyvm
[09:32] <TheSheep> N6REJ: just replace 'edgy' with 'feisty' in your sources.list, them run update and dist-upgrade
[09:32] <N6REJ> TheSheep: oh, thats simple enough :D
[09:32] <N6REJ> tyvm
[09:35] <nekr0z> Thanks to everyone who helped. It was a DPI thing, needed to add dpi settings in .Xresouces
[10:22] <BFTD> PuMpErNiCkLe why is jester45 banned?
[10:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Because right now he's using the cgi-irc gateway.
[10:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !proxy
[10:23] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[10:23] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[10:25] <BFTD> but he runs the ubotu
[10:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Seveas runs ubotu.
[10:26] <BFTD> oh
[10:26] <BFTD> I thought it was jester
[10:26] <B|nTaRa> #ubuntu-read-topic is: Your router is affected by a bug. Please follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to fix it, and then join #ubuntu-ops and ask to be tested
[10:26] <B|nTaRa> :/
[10:26] <B|nTaRa> i cant join #ubuntu
[11:36] <h00t> hello i've mistakenly deleted my Trash directory but when i put it back it won't work properly, apparently there were some subdirectories in it required for it's functioning ... what can i do ... how do i recreate it
[12:09] <slow-motion> n8