[12:11] <Phoenix92x> and 1.5GB out of my 2GB of memory is in use
[12:11] <leighton> Section "Extensions"
[12:11] <Phoenix92x> I don't know what to do about it
[12:12] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: drop firefox
[12:12] <leighton> Options "Composite" "Enable"
[12:12] <leighton> EndSection
[12:12] <hitmanWilly> Phoenix92x: that could just be RAM caching
[12:12] <leighton> all works ok now
[12:12] <Phoenix92x> ok I'll close it and see if there's a difference
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> but what I mentioned earlier didn't involve firefox at all
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> it went from 440 to 1900 overnight with no userspace processes running
[12:13] <leighton> Manchicken any idea how to get an app to autostart ...ie the wireless manager
[12:13] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: the linux kernel always tries to use as much ram as possible
[12:13] <PF-Away> it's quicker
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> ahhh
[12:13] <aaron_> is direct rendering supposed to be off
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> well that helps some in my understanding
[12:13] <hitmanWilly> Phoenix92x: it'll free up when you try to run something
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> it only freed up about 30 mb
[12:13] <PF-Away> a copy of pages in ram is kept on disk, so it can be quickly swapped out, but it's quicker to keep most in ram
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> hmmm
[12:14] <PF-Away> pre-fetching
[12:14] <manchicken> leighton: Move it into ~/.kde/Autostart
[12:14] <manchicken> leighton: Err, copy its .desktop file there
[12:14] <Phoenix92x> it gets to a point where I cant ping something because there "isnt enough buffer space"
[12:14] <hitmanWilly> Phoenix92x: ok, that is weird
[12:14] <Phoenix92x> ya
[12:14] <ins-dragonclaw> Alright. Frustration has set in. Does anyone know how to sync contacts from a sony ericsson k750i to Kontact?
[12:15] <aaron_> or is there a way I can turn on direct rendering
[12:15] <Phoenix92x> it did only happen after running ktorrent for a while
[12:15] <Phoenix92x> no ktorrent runs at all, no bufferspace problem for that session
[12:16] <hitmanWilly> Phoenix92x: have you rebooted since then?
[12:16] <Phoenix92x> yes, multiple times
[12:16] <leighton> thanks manchicken
[12:16] <Phoenix92x> tried it with kde and kde+xgl
[12:16] <manchicken> Not a problem.
[12:16] <Phoenix92x> same thing did it
[12:16] <hitmanWilly> hmmm
[12:17] <aaron_> so wait who here knows how to turn on direct rendering
[12:17] <aaron_> or is that not the problem why I get like 2fps
[12:17] <Phoenix92x> part of it was I didn't know the linux kernel tried to use as much memory as it could
[12:18] <Phoenix92x> so seeing 1500/2000 RAM used normally kind of freaked me out
[12:18] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: i have memory/cpu/swap monitoring always down in kicker, and it kind of explains things
[12:18] <Phoenix92x> what's really odd to me though is that I can't see anything using more than say...200 Megs of ram in ps aux
[12:19] <Phoenix92x> and there are only 2 200MB items
[12:19] <Phoenix92x> PF-Away, could you please explain? I've heard about kicker but I don't knwo what ti is
[12:19] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: it's the bar at the bottom of the screen
[12:19] <Phoenix92x> ohhh
[12:19] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: you can add "applets" to it
[12:19] <Phoenix92x> how did the mem/cpu/swap monitoring explain things?
[12:20] <Phoenix92x> interesting, could you please tell me how to add applets to it?
[12:20] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: my memory is always full;)
[12:20] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: right click ,add applets
[12:20] <PF-Away> Add Applet to Panel
[12:20] <Phoenix92x> on the bar?
[12:20] <PF-Away> yup
[12:20] <Phoenix92x> PF-Away, thanks, I'll try that
[12:20] <Phoenix92x> well I'm definitely less worried now
[12:21] <PF-Away> ;)
[12:21] <PF-Away> LeeJunFan: ""UPDATE 1/2/07: Prelink is no longer necessary in Feisty. Feisty uses a new linking mechanism called DT_GNU_HASH which dramatically speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running the prelink program."
[12:21] <Phoenix92x> I'm about to take this laptop back to college and I hadn't noticed the memory usage and I thought I was screwed, lol
[12:21] <PF-Away> ;)
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: wow.
[12:22] <PF-Away> LeeJunFan: i had to enable a custom overlay ("repository") with an experimental GCC/GLIBC and lots of funny patches in gentoo to get that hash-tingy
[12:22] <PF-Away> *thingy
[12:22] <PF-Away> in gentoo
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> Gentoo just killed someone
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> a kitten
[12:23] <PF-Away> gentoo kills kittens everyone someone thinks
[12:23] <PasNox> hi
[12:23] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: there ?!
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: yeah.
[12:23] <PF-Away> imho, every install of ?ubuntu should come with an offline snapshot of the ubuntuguide.org
[12:23] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: i have comment the eth0 part so now there is no longer error on service restart
[12:23] <Alonea> PF-Away: okies, I figured it out..its recompiling now..
[12:24] <PF-Away> good stuff
[12:24] <PasNox> but there is always the problem: no wifi connection at startup, i have checked the services via kde control panel
[12:24] <PasNox> and it seem that networking service was not activated ( why ?! )
[12:24] <PasNox> i have activated it
[12:24] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: your wifi was eth1 right?
[12:24] <PasNox> but conenction is not done again :| i don t know where to chekc nox
[12:24] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: yes
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: what do you have to do to make it work manually?
[12:25] <PasNox> now*
[12:25] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: i need do: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:26] <jontec> okay, help me with this.... I've been messing with alsa for like three months and nothing is working.... now I have this problem with alsamixer after installing 1.0.13 alsa drivers, lib, and utils
[12:26] <PasNox> is there a way i can check the startup service launch ?
[12:26] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: do you have S##networking in /etc/rc2.d?
[12:26] <jontec> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[12:27] <PF-Away> what does the status of "v" mean?
[12:27] <PF-Away> in aptitude
[12:27] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: yes, tehre is : S50networking
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: hmm. Odd, it _should_ be starting from there.
[12:30] <mischko> If I get a supported WiFi card, can Ubuntu/Kubuntu act as a wireless access point?
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> mischko: yes
[12:31] <crackhead_25__> hey, how does one unpack .sitx files in kubuntu???
[12:31] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: i don't understand
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> mischko: a prism or something atheros based.
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> !sit
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> hrm
[12:31] <crackhead_25__> (.sitx = a stuffit compression from a mac)
[12:31] <mischko> LeeJunFan: how to do the setup?
[12:32] <crackhead_25__> anyone know how to unpack a .sitx (stuffit compression from a mac) file on kubuntu??
[12:32] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: how i can be sure it was started, and track it ?
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> mischko: depends really on what you want to support, putting the card in AP mode is as easy as iwconfig ath0 mode master
[12:32] <Phoenix92x> another odd thing is happening. I've noticed recently (and just again a moment ago) that aptitude is telling me its keeping back a huge number of python packages. (which I can put on pastebin if someone wants to look at them). A) is this bad B) could someone help me figure out why and what to do about it please? thank you
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: /var/log/boot I think.
[12:33] <soulrider> hi everyone
[12:33] <mischko> LeeJunFan: I want to make it an ap and make my machine a wireless router for my house.
[12:34] <soulrider> mischko: you want to convert that computer intoa  wireless router ?
[12:34] <mischko> soulrider: yes.
[12:34] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: Mar 23 19:27:49 rcS:  * Configuring network interfaces...        [80G
[12:34] <soulrider> good idea, but i hope its an old computer, you dont wanna have an expensive router :P
[12:34] <PasNox> Mar 23 19:27:49 rcS:  * Configuring network interfaces...        [80G
[12:34] <PasNox>  [74G[ ok ] 
[12:35] <mischko> soulrider: it's new and I'll be making it do more than just routing.
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> mischko: you'll need to install and configure dhcpd3-server, use iptables to nat for the wireless, and enable forwarding. A good place to start is probably linux router how-to's.
[12:35] <soulrider> ahhh, ok mischko
[12:36] <mischko> LeeJunFan: I'm familiar with some of that.  Wireless specific config is not familiar.  How to make it only do 802.11b/g, not a, for instance?
[12:38] <eilker> !visudo
[12:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about visudo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <Assimilator> ello
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> mischko: that's different per card. iwpriv mibs differ from manufacturer to manufacturer, so if I told you how to enable B only or G only on atheros it wouldn't work the same on prism2.
[12:39] <mischko> Ok.  I think I'll be getting an atheros card.
[12:39] <NightBird> hm.... xgl and bery don't seem to like feisty beta..
[12:39] <aaron_> Is direct rendering what is stopping me from having good frames per second
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> mischko: that would be my recommendation - I like the madwifi-ng drivers.
[12:39] <mischko> LeeJunFan: these drivers use the ndiswrapper kludge?
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> mischko: although I'm not sure I'd say the madwifi-ng is commercial quality driver just yet.
[12:40] <LeeJunFan> mischko: no.
[12:40] <Assimilator> yeah i got some issues with the beta
[12:40] <mischko> LeeJunFan: I'm ok with non-commercial quality. I have a wireless router to fall back on if it doesn't go well.
[12:40] <mischko> Is Prism better supported?
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> I've been using madwifi-ng on a single board access point I made for outdoor use (I own a wireless ISP), and it's a good thing that thing has a hardware watchdog to reboot when the madwifi drivers oops.
[12:41] <NightBird> hm... I think I might have found the problem.... fglrx didn't load properly..
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> mischko: prism is more stable, the firmware is in the card usually.
[12:42] <NightBird> because it's meant for the 2.6.17 kernel, and not the 2.6.20 kernel it's running oh...
[12:42] <mischko> LeeJunFan: Who makes prism based cards?
[12:42] <Assimilator> tried to install stuff from adept and it crashed and now adept want load in write mode saying there is still another instance of adept running I tried to find the running process to shut it down but no sucess the only way I could fix it was to reinstall kubuntu
[12:43] <fdoving> !adept crash fix | assimilator
[12:43] <ubotu> assimilator: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:43] <Assimilator> ahh ok
[12:44] <Phoenix92x> my  laptop (Dell latitude D610) has a media bay hard drive which used to be detected under linux and now isnt, is still detected by windows. 40GB FAT partition, 40GB Ext3 partition. Any ideas?
[12:45] <Assimilator> i'm not sure if i'm happy with KDE anyway I may slip back to ubuntu
[12:47] <NightBird> o_O
[12:47] <eagles0513875> O_o
[12:47] <NightBird> I just tried 'sudo ifdown eth0' and I got the message that it's not configured... so I try 'sudo ifup eth0' and I get the message that it's already configured
[12:48] <Phoenix92x> I'll be back in a moment
[12:49] <NightBird> ok
[12:51] <m03> <- kubuntu virgin
[12:51] <m03> lovin it
[12:51] <NightBird> congrats
[12:51] <gravygoat> nice m03
[12:52] <m03> just had some issues with my wlan0, but all sorted now everything's working great
[12:52] <gravygoat> Anyone tried installing beryl from the feist universe repo?  Looks like beryl-plugins is missing
[12:52] <jhutchins> m03: You on Edgy or Feisty?
[12:53] <m03> Edgy
[12:53] <Freeza^> is kubuntu herd 5 cd the same as kubuntu 7.04 beta cd?
[12:53] <m03> btw what is the default root password? I do `su` and it asks me for a pass that I never had the option to set
[12:54] <Skuller> hey guys. i added a repo this morning to get the latest version of nvidia drivers (not authenticated ones ofcourse, so i could get some features used by beryl to work), but those drivers screwed up my X big time. they messed up the sync rates and also the screen size went nuts (53hz), the borders of the screen frames were bent inwards, etc. Currently i am using 'nv' as my driver. what should i do?, switch back to the
[12:54] <gravygoat> m03 use your own password
[12:54] <Skuller> previous nvidia drivers? if yes then how?
[12:54] <m03> that is what I assumed
[12:54] <Freeza^> you dont need su on debian based systems
[12:54] <m03> but I get authentication failure
[12:54] <Freeza^> just do sudo before the command
[12:54] <gravygoat> m03 ah, sorry do sudo
[12:54] <Freeza^> and it will ask for your password
[12:54] <m03> ah
[12:54] <m03> ty
[12:55] <m03> sometimes i just wanna be root!
[12:55] <jhutchins> !sudo | m03
[12:55] <ubotu> m03: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:55] <mherweg> sudo bash
[12:55] <jhutchins> !kdesu | m03
[12:55] <ubotu> m03: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[12:56] <m03> thanks for that jhutchins
[12:56] <jhutchins> mherweg: Actually, that's not really a good idea, see the sudo page for why.  There is another way.
[12:56] <m03> how about sudo nano /etc/shadow
[12:56] <jhutchins> m03: Glad to be of help.
[12:56] <m03> lol j/p
[12:57] <ins-dragonclaw> *inhales*
[12:57] <ins-dragonclaw> Can anyone help with Kontact?
[12:57] <m03> by the way anyone play with kftpgrabber?
[12:57] <Freeza^> so which is newer? kubuntu-7.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso or feisty-desktop-i386.iso
[12:57] <jhutchins> m03: The actual root account password is locked so you can't log in or su -.
[12:57] <m03> love it
[12:57] <gravygoat> what's the question about kontact
[12:58] <jhutchins> Freeza^: Dunno, we're still Edgy support here.
[12:58] <ins-dragonclaw> i want to sync my k750i contacts to kontact. apparently all i need is multisync, but i;m still having a hard time
[12:58] <m03> wow konversation has a built in console :))
[12:58] <jhutchins> Freeza^: I'd guess that feisty-desktop might be Gnome.
[12:58] <Tm_T> Freeza^: #ubuntu+1 for that thanks
[12:58] <Freeza^> ok
[12:58] <aaron> I restarted my comp and am suddenly in Gnome please I need help
[12:58] <m03> haha
[12:58] <soulrider> Freeza^: maybe you should ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:59] <aaron> I tried editing like xorg-driver fglxr or somethign
[12:59] <soulrider> aaron: you want KDE ?
[12:59] <aaron> yea
[12:59] <soulrider> aaron: log out and in session type select KDE :P
[12:59] <aaron> I have Kubuntu and suddenly I am in gnome
[12:59] <ins-dragonclaw> I think i finally figured out why people like KDE more
[12:59] <ins-dragonclaw> it has a cute mascot :)
[12:59] <aaron> ok so I would have to disable autologin so how do I do that without acces to the preferences
[12:59] <soulrider> lol ins-dragonclaw i dont find it to be that cute
[12:59] <aaron> I cant get at em
[01:00] <ins-dragonclaw> ahh
[01:00] <jhutchins> aaron: Should be selectable when you log in if you have both.
[01:00] <ins-dragonclaw> it's relative
[01:00] <soulrider> aaron: cant you log out ?
[01:00] <jhutchins> aaron: If you log out, not shut down, you should get a login screen where you can select it.
[01:00] <soulrider> aaron: you could also remove GNOME and restart
[01:01] <soulrider> aaron: managed to do it ?
[01:01] <aaron> it booted into gnome again
[01:01] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: you still here?
[01:01] <soulrider> did you restart or log out ?
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> oh i'm getting somewhere
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> does this make sense to anyone?
[01:02] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: uhm ?
[01:02] <ins-dragonclaw> Library files for "libmultisynkpart.la" not found in paths.
[01:02] <ins-dragonclaw> Ctrl+c was being difficult
[01:02] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: what are you trying to do ?
[01:02] <ins-dragonclaw> sync my phone contacts to Kontact
[01:02] <soulrider> oh, i cant help you there =/
[01:03] <ins-dragonclaw> :|
[01:03] <N6REJ> anyone care to help me get my dual boot working?
[01:03] <aaron> ok got it
[01:03] <soulrider> linux hates my nokia 3100:P
[01:03] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:03] <soulrider> N6REJ: sure
[01:03] <aaron> that was a close one I was like what the gnome, nooooo
[01:03] <aaron> lol
[01:03] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay. how the hell do i get apt-get to work?
[01:03] <N6REJ> hiya soulrider.. haven't spoken to you in a while... look here... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11922/
[01:03] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: whata re you trying to install ?
[01:03] <ins-dragonclaw> multisync
[01:03] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: sudo apt-get install or what ever
[01:04] <soulrider> N6REJ: just a sec, i decided to use IRSII, udnno why, let me get on Konversation :P
[01:04] <N6REJ> k
[01:04] <Betzefer> any one needs help ?
[01:04] <soulrider> im back
[01:04] <soulrider> N6REJ: can you please paste that link agai n?
[01:04] <N6REJ> that was fast lol
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> my Konsole has a pretty 3D matrix backdrop...
[01:04] <N6REJ> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11922/
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> Reading state information... Done
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> E: Couldn't find package multisync
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> apt-get can't find anything
[01:04] <Tm_T> soulrider: I wonder how using irssi restrict you to open links...
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> 2 lines!
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> ok i'll make it 1 next time :)
[01:05] <soulrider> Tm_T: i dont think i can clickt hem, can i ?
[01:05] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: 2 is fine
[01:05] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: sudo apt-cache search multi sync
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:05] <Tm_T> soulrider: with klipper you can doubleclick, but err, you can copy&paste ;--P
[01:05] <soulrider> N6REJ: ill be back in a sec, hold on please
[01:05] <N6REJ> k
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> it's the KitchenSync of apps ;)
[01:06] <jhutchins> !software | ins-dragonclaw
[01:06] <ubotu> ins-dragonclaw: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[01:06] <m03> I found my distro :) I'm happy finally
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> now i know for sure that Kubuntu comes with -everything-
[01:06] <N6REJ> lol
[01:06] <jhutchins> !repos | ins-dragonclaw
[01:06] <ubotu> ins-dragonclaw: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:06] <m03> only thing I don't like is it comes with too much
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> jhutchins: ?
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> ubotu - bookmarked. I just want to get one thing working at a time
[01:07] <aaron> ok so now all I need to know is how to enable direct rendering
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> m03 - SUSE comes with too much :/
[01:07] <aaron> since I think that is why I get such low fps
[01:07] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: what does multisync do that makes it so good
[01:07] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: You'll probably want to enable universe and multiverse, and you may want to add some third-party ones.
[01:07] <jhutchins> !easysources | ins-dragonclaw
[01:07] <ubotu> ins-dragonclaw: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> N6REJ: makes my SE-K750i and Kontact talk
[01:08] <m03> indeed it does
[01:08] <m03> i've been in a SUSE mess before
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> jhutchins: what's with all the ! ? lol
[01:08] <N6REJ> cell phone?
[01:08] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: Ubotu, the channel bot, is triggered by !keyword.
[01:09] <jhutchins> !botsnack
[01:09] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:09] <N6REJ> !ubotu | ins-dragonclaw
[01:09] <ubotu> ins-dragonclaw: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:09] <Phoenix92x> I'm running edgy on my laptop which has a media bay which I have an 80 GB HD for, a DVDRW a floppy drive and a 2nd battery. I'd like to be able to eject the hard drive for instance once I've unmounted all its partitions. Yet when I eject the drive I check /dev and sdb, sdb1 and sdb2 are still listed. Does ayone have any idea what I can do about that? Same goes for the DVD drive. (it will still think scd0 is there) Is there any
[01:09] <Phoenix92x> way anyone can think of that I would be able to switch these drives without having to reboot?
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> source-o-matic has one major problem - it's Ubuntu. I'm on KUbuntu
[01:10] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: Kubuntu is UBUNTU with KDE instead of gnome  Thats the only diff
[01:11] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: same with edubuntu, xubuntu, etc.
[01:11] <ins-dragonclaw> N6REJ: GNOME apps have a hellish time on KDE. I don't want to download GNOME packages with apt-get
[01:11] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: well, Kubuntu uses mainly same sources anyway
[01:12] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: then don't install them.  use adept and you won't by default get gnome apps, read the descriptions before you blindly install soomething :D
[01:12] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, sources are much the same.
[01:12] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: + kubuntu.org extra
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> blindly install...
[01:12] <eagles0513875> woot opengl is workin
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> ANYway
[01:12] <soulrider> N6REJ: im back, sorry
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> bbiab - one of my daemons is being rebellious
[01:12] <N6REJ> np
[01:12] <soulrider> so whats the problem youre having ?
[01:12] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: So the second device doesn't detect?
[01:13] <Phoenix92x> jhutchins: correct, and the first device isnt um...undetecting
[01:13] <Phoenix92x> nice to see you again btw, you were really helpful last time we talked, thank you for that
[01:13] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: less of a problem, except...
[01:13] <N6REJ> soulrider: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11922/ I had to install kde BEFORE windows  ( long story ) and because of me putting windows on its own drive I'm having aproblem getting the dual booting to work now
[01:13] <soulrider> ahh, thats easy to fix ^^
[01:13] <soulrider> im guessing youre using the love CD now
[01:14] <Tm_T> !grub
[01:14] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:14] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: /dev usually has all kinds of dummy devices in it.
[01:14] <tmbg_> heh, love CD.
[01:14] <Phoenix92x> ok
[01:14] <Phoenix92x> but yes then, it isnt detecting the new devices
[01:15] <jhutchins> Yeah, I wonder if there's a way you can force it to re-scan the bus and detect them.
[01:15] <jhutchins> Problem is they aren't generating a signal to the hotplug/udev system.
[01:15] <soulrider> N6REJ: read the guide, if you dont udnerstand something just ask me
[01:15] <tmbg_> jhutchins,  apropos MAKEDEV
[01:15] <tmbg_> MAKEDEV (8)          - create devices
[01:16] <N6REJ> soulrider: I'm reading... I'm on page 6? and its not functioning.  Am I doing the wrong method?
[01:16] <soulrider> N6REJ: pm me, and ill explain there
[01:16] <N6REJ> k
[01:17] <sstchur> Does istanbul work under KDE?  I just installed and launched it, but it seems to do a whole lot of nothing
[01:17] <Phoenix92x> jhutchins: what would sending a kill -HUP signal to the hotplug/udev system do? would that make it rescan? Im kind of shooting in the dark here
[01:17] <intelikey> eewh yuch i found two packages on my system that really slow down package install/removal    1. scrollkepper  2. gconf*
[01:19] <m03> I have a question and it might be stupid
[01:19] <m03> I just installed kftpgrabber
[01:19] <m03> how would I add a shortcut inside the Internet menu within the K menu?
[01:19] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: I think the problem is that your devices aren't on one of the buses that udev scans.  MAKEDEV does sound promising, man makedev and see if it makes any sense.  I would just give that a try (and if you have to, reboot).
[01:20] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: I had an IBM like that, and I don't remember being able to hot-swap in Windows.
[01:20] <intelikey> m03 kmenuedit ?
[01:20] <Phoenix92x> jhutchins: Ill give that a read, sounds promising
[01:20] <m03> thank you intelikey
[01:20] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: kubuntu may have a higher-level tool for scannig for new hardware, I just don't know it well enough yet.
[01:20] <Phoenix92x> hmm..ya I didnt think my Latitude D610 could do it in windows but I can right click on the "safely remove devices" thing and it goes fine
[01:21] <intelikey> m03 not until you see if it works... i was guessing.
[01:21] <intelikey> thus the "?"
[01:21] <jhutchins> m03: It should have auto added, but you need to reload the menu.  THere's a dcop command that I can never remember, but logging out and back in does it.
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo dmesg | grep tty
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> oops O.o
[01:22] <jhutchins> m03: In fact, the script in the .deb _should_ run that command!
[01:23] <intelikey> ins-dragonclaw habbit or do you just like sudo ?
[01:23] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo is the meaning of Linux
[01:23] <ins-dragonclaw> er, life*
[01:23] <jhutchins> m03: Try running kbuildsycoca in a console, as user.
[01:23] <jhutchins> (no sudo)
[01:23] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:24] <jhutchins> m03: Or just from Alt-F2.
[01:24] <plugs> Hey guys, i'm having trouble isntalling VNC, anybody familiar with it?
[01:24] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: Just make sure not to run GUI apps with it.
 great. Kontact is -so- verbose in it's error messages </sarcasm>
[01:24] <tmbg_> I'm familiar with vnc but not vnc on ubuntu
[01:24] <jhutchins> !kdesu | ins-dragonclaw
[01:24] <ubotu> ins-dragonclaw: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[01:24] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah - kdesu is familiar to me
[01:24] <jhutchins> Good.
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> but I use GUI apps from the GUI interface :)
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> and now Kontact has suddenly gone mute again
[01:25] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: press alt+f2 to launch one
[01:25] <eagles0513875> anyone having open gl problems with their ati video card
[01:25] <jhutchins> I've been trying to clean up some bad habits here.  People running gui apps as sudo because they don't work as user.  Generally there's no need to run a GUI app as root, except for configuration tools and editing config files.
[01:25] <Skuller> hey guys. i added a repo this morning to get the latest version of nvidia drivers (not authenticated ones ofcourse, so i could get some features of beryl to work), but those drivers screwed up my X big time. they messed up the sync rates (53Hz) and also the screen size went nuts, the borders of the screen frames were bent inwards, etc. Currently i am using 'nv' as my driver. what should i do?, switch back to the previous
[01:25] <Skuller> nvidia drivers? if yes then how?
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[01:26] <jhutchins> later folks.
[01:26] <ins-dragonclaw> thanks for the help, jhutchins
[01:26] <soulrider> Skuller: remove the repo
[01:26] <jhutchins> !fixres | skuller
[01:26] <ubotu> skuller: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:26] <soulrider> then apt-get update
[01:26] <sstchur> How do I fix this error when trying to launch Istanbul: "ImportError: No module named gconf"
[01:26] <soulrider> remvoe nvidia-glx
[01:26] <ins-dragonclaw> Press the Big Red Button
[01:26] <soulrider> and install nvidia-glx
[01:27] <soulrider> reconfiguring x might work too :P
[01:27] <Skuller> soulrider: basically i switch back to the old genuine nvidia driver?
[01:27] <soulrider> thats what i would do
[01:27] <soulrider> what repo did you use ?
[01:27] <m03> hm
[01:27] <m03> so it should be in there?
[01:27] <m03> but it isn't until I rehash the menu config?
[01:28] <slylyias> My whole system is running REALLY laggy (virual elements) like all the windows seem to fade in and out frame by frame when ever I minimize them (for example), any idea what I should look for?
[01:28] <m03_> lol now that's a lag right there ^^
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:28] <m03_> m03 will ping out in like 20 secs
[01:28] <intelikey> m03 could be in another local in the menu ?
[01:28] <Kevlar> Okay
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> ./nickserv ghost mo3 <password>
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> i _think_
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> if freenode is running Unreal and Anope
[01:29] <slylyias> Anyone have any idea what I should be looking for?
[01:29] <m03_> yeah it is I just dont mind the _
[01:29] <m03_> lol
[01:29] <slylyias> It's only in the past few days that it's been doing this.
[01:29] <m03_> there
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> hehe
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> it's sad. I used to be a server admin. Now i can't even remember simple nickserv commands =/
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> shows you what 3 months can do...
[01:30] <m03_> haha
[01:30] <m03_> /ns help
[01:30] <m03_> :)
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> ok NOW i need to know what my phone's name is
[01:30] <intelikey> well i totally borked dpkg...   or aptitude did.
[01:30] <tmbg_> ins-dragonclaw, I was pretty sure it was the drugs. ;)
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> :|
[01:30] <Kevlar> HELP I'm trying to alter FIREFOX to use the player I want it to use to play realmedia files
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> ...right
[01:30] <intelikey> that's the last time i use aptitude.
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> or it could be that the pc clock reads "02:29:08"
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> :O
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> 2.30 already!?!
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> great
[01:31] <m03_> lol kopete has 0 of my buddies
[01:31] <m03_> but all of my groups
[01:31] <Skuller> soulrider: deb http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/edgy/latest/32bit binary/
[01:31] <slylyias> Sorry, I got disconnected there.
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> okay... I know that sdptool browse will give lots of info about services on a bluetooth device. is there a similar command for USB devices?
[01:33] <intelikey> lsusb ?
[01:33] <m03_> jhutchins: it did add it, I must be blind or it took a while to show :P
[01:33] <Kevlar> Anyone know anything about FIREFOX?
[01:33] <slylyias> is there a way for me to tell what on my system is using how much of which system resources? (I'm sorry I'm new to ubuntu)
[01:33] <intelikey> ins-dragonclaw what about the hardware browser ?
[01:34] <intelikey> slylyias ksysguard
[01:34] <intelikey> slylyias xtop top ps
[01:34] <eagles0513875> sly hit ctrl esc
[01:35] <Phoenix92x> jhutchins: makedev doesn't seem to do it as far as I can tell
[01:35] <zerothis> Ctrl+Alt+Bksp doesn't seem to be working.
[01:35] <Phoenix92x> mainly working with the makedev update command
[01:35] <m03_> same with alt+f4
[01:36] <slylyias> It seems like there is nothing out of the ordinary there, however all my graphics related events seem to be taking forever.
[01:36] <intelikey> Phoenix92x makedev ?
[01:36] <slylyias> Could it be I need to reinstall the graphics drivers?
[01:37] <stra> hello
[01:37] <slylyias> And if so how do I do that?
[01:37] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: it was suggested as a possible tool to make the system rescan the bus
[01:38] <intelikey> Phoenix92x i've never heard of makedev....    now  MAKEDEV might work.   but be careful where you run it.
[01:38] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: sorry, MAKEDEV is what I meant
[01:38] <intelikey> oh ok.
[01:38] <eagles0513875> how can i add a channel to my list of fav channels
[01:39] <ins-dragonclaw> okay. that was scary
[01:39] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: it didnt seem to detect that sdb wasn't there anymore...(swappable HD via a media bay0
[01:39] <intelikey> slylyias grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf  will show what drivers you are using...
[01:40] <slylyias> How can I reinstall my graphics drivers in kubuntu?
[01:40] <intelikey> Phoenix92x modprobe the driver for it ?
[01:40] <b0rt> hey there, any help on what to use for a kubuntu liveCD customization?
[01:40] <tmbg_> slylyias, it seems like you can from synaptic
[01:41] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: entirely unsure as to the driver for them, the devices are detected on boot for me normally
[01:41] <intelikey> slylyias what drive are you using ?
[01:41] <morvok> the sound of a 2gb hd groaning away.. ahh.. the memorys..
[01:41] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:42] <morvok> running it in a p4.. priceless.
[01:42] <slylyias> I just grepped it and it hung
[01:42] <slylyias> no outpit
[01:42] <intelikey> Phoenix92x normally (there are exceptions) the driver/module name and hardware id are close enough to tab complete the module.
[01:42] <slylyias> output even
[01:42] <ins-dragonclaw> ok... lsusb -v dumps a -lot- of info. All i needed was a name :/
[01:42] <intelikey> Phoenix92x using bash completion
[01:42] <slylyias> What is synaptic?
[01:42] <tmbg_> heh. I threw a 20mb hard disk on a pentium 200MHz back in the day.
[01:42] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: not sure how I would attain the hardware id.
[01:42] <tmbg_> it slowed the bus down so horribly
[01:43] <Timba> Problem: Just booted today onto the Kubuntu-desktop and attempted to login. Screen flashed black as if to attempt to login, and comes right back to the login screen. Any suggestions?
[01:43] <tmbg_> slylyias, it's a package manager.
[01:43] <tmbg_> it's nice, I like it.
[01:43] <intelikey> dmesg | less  and look.   or lshw | less   and look....
[01:43] <intelikey> slylyias what command did you use ?   show me ?
[01:43] <lunitik> Hey, is beryl's aquamarine currently on it's way into universe? I'd really like to use it...
[01:43] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: after inserting the disk right?
[01:43] <intelikey> yes
[01:43] <Phoenix92x> ok
[01:44] <Phoenix92x> I'll try that
[01:44] <slylyias> Okay, fixed my typo, the grep says I'm using "kbd", "mouse" "wacom" "wacom" "wacom" and "nv"
[01:44] <Phoenix92x> thank you
[01:44] <intelikey> slylyias nv is the vidio driver.
[01:44] <zerothis> did i get kick-banned ? did i do something wrong?
[01:44] <slylyias> so how can I reinstall it?
[01:45] <b0rt> how can i make a kubuntu liveCD customization? (select packages, customize look)
[01:45] <Timba> Problem: Just booted today onto the Kubuntu-desktop and attempted to login. Screen flashed black as if to attempt to login, and comes right back to the login screen. Any suggestions?
[01:45] <intelikey> slylyias konsole # usdo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install xserver-xorg-driver-nv
[01:45] <eagles0513875> anyone use konversation
[01:45] <b0rt> i do eagles0513875
[01:45] <Agnostic> me
[01:45] <lunitik> eagles0513875: yes...
[01:46] <intelikey> but that's not likely to help you.  it is the answer to your question tho
[01:46] <slylyias> intelikey:  What will help  me then?
[01:46] <intelikey> !nv | slylyias
[01:46] <ubotu> slylyias: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:46] <slylyias> intelikey: I don't have any idea what is wrong
[01:46] <intelikey> if you want more out of your X read there ^
[01:47] <slylyias> my X used to run fine, now it runs sllooooowww, what should I check?
[01:47] <sstchur> how would i do an upgrade from edgy to feisty?
[01:47] <intelikey> slylyias i don't either.   you are probably running beryl or something     i have no idea what you added.
[01:47] <eagles0513875> lunitik how do i add a chanell to my list of channel
[01:47] <eagles0513875> to the server list
[01:47] <eagles0513875> its the #ubuntu-effects channel
[01:48] <slylyias> what is beryl?
[01:48] <DaSkreech> eagles0513875: Huh?
[01:48] <lunitik> eagles0513875: 'edit' then simply hit 'add'
[01:48] <Timba> Problem: Just booted today onto the Kubuntu-desktop and attempted to login. Screen flashed black as if to attempt to login, and comes right back to the login screen. Any suggestions?
[01:48] <DaSkreech> !beryl | slylyias
[01:48] <ubotu> slylyias: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:48] <intelikey> slylyias ok it's not beryl then....
[01:48] <eagles0513875> add where
[01:48] <ins-dragonclaw> LOL
[01:48] <DaSkreech> Timba: Can you login through the cli?
[01:48] <eagles0513875> i dont have add as an option lunitik
[01:48] <b0rt> eagles0513875: f2  edit and add all autoconnect channels as you want
[01:49] <slylyias> I feel really stupid and tired, isn't there anyway I can fix this?
[01:49] <eagles0513875> what u trying to fix
[01:49] <eagles0513875> ty bort
[01:49] <intelikey> slylyias what's wrong with it ?
[01:49] <lunitik> eagles0513875: near the bottem 'auto join channels'
[01:49] <slylyias> My x environment is running very slowly
[01:49] <slylyias> like all the windows fade in frame by frame
[01:50] <b0rt> edgy?
[01:50] <slylyias> yes
[01:50] <b0rt> slylyias: on aiglx?
[01:50] <slylyias> what is aiglx?
[01:50] <ins-dragonclaw> slylyias: did you turn window translucency on?
[01:50] <m03_> god I can't even tell you how much I love spilling water on myself
[01:50] <zerothis> since ctrl+alt+bksp isn't working, is there another quick way to restart x? cli perhaps?
[01:50] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[01:50] <slylyias> I think I did, but I don't remember how.
[01:51] <slylyias> How do I turn translucency off?
[01:51] <DaSkreech> slylyias: Do you have firefox open?
[01:51] <ins-dragonclaw> Alt+F3
[01:51] <slylyias> yes
[01:51] <ins-dragonclaw> Configure Window Behavious
[01:51] <ins-dragonclaw> Translucency
[01:51] <ins-dragonclaw> Behaivour* ^x2
[01:51] <DaSkreech> zerothis: Do you know how to jump terminals?
[01:51] <b0rt> so beryl on xgl?
[01:51] <levi_> Any idea how to get Kaffiene/Amarok to play Mp3 files?
[01:52] <ins-dragonclaw> levi_: install libxine-extracodecs
[01:52] <zerothis> jump terminals? as in ctrl+alt+F1 ?
[01:52] <slylyias> Woo hoo! I removed all the special effects!
[01:52] <b0rt> f1-f6
[01:52] <ins-dragonclaw> it'll need libmad0 and something else
[01:52] <DaSkreech> zerothis: yup
[01:52] <slylyias> Now it's all running quickly
[01:52] <zerothis> yes, i can jump terminals
[01:52] <ins-dragonclaw> that was quick, slylyias O.o
[01:52] <slylyias> well, more quickly at least
[01:52] <ins-dragonclaw> heheh
[01:52] <m03_> anyone know of a good way of tunneling through a specified app?
[01:52] <slylyias> What is aiglx?
[01:53] <ins-dragonclaw> *no idea*
[01:53] <DaSkreech> zerothis: jump to a terminal and do a sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[01:53] <ins-dragonclaw> 64MB onboard shared Video RAM doesn't lend itself to flashy GUI environments
[01:53] <Timba> I'm attempting to login using "cli", I guess, command line comes up, after typing in loginname I get a "configuration error - unkown item 'FAIL_DELAY'".
[01:53] <b0rt> slylyias: xgl and aiglx are gfx motors or sth like that
[01:53] <b0rt> sorry for my english
[01:53] <levi_> that didnt work.
[01:54] <b0rt> xgl its like for high-end graphics card
[01:54] <ins-dragonclaw> levi_: did you try playing an MP3 in Amarok?
[01:54] <levi_> yeah
[01:54] <levi_> and that failed too
[01:54] <ins-dragonclaw> ctrl+Q and restart Amarok
[01:54] <levi_> installing the codecs that way
[01:54] <slylyias> I have a 7800 GTX (nvidia) with 256mb of graphical ram, should be able to handle a flashy gui, so what is wrong? Why won't it allow me to run X properly with all the effects?
[01:54] <b0rt> aiglx is similar to direct3D
[01:55] <b0rt> in wind0ws
[01:55] <ins-dragonclaw> i can't remember the libxine-extracodecs dependancy tree ...
[01:55] <tmbg_> slylyias, same card I have.
[01:55] <b0rt> (cough)
[01:55] <DaSkreech> b0rt: Not really :)
[01:55] <levi_> Aha..
[01:55] <levi_> I see..
[01:55] <slylyias> So how do I set it up?
[01:55] <levi_> though it said installation failed.
[01:55] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:55] <levi_> It works anyway.. iunno..
[01:55] <ins-dragonclaw> that's why Linux comes with human operators :)
[01:55] <DaSkreech> Timba: Where is the command line?
[01:55] <levi_> Im just gonna go with the luck I just had xD
[01:55] <b0rt> DaSkreech: not?
[01:55] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:55] <slylyias> tmbg_: How do I set it up?
[01:55] <DaSkreech> b0rt: not really :)
[01:56] <b0rt> what?
[01:56] <b0rt> tell me. i want to learn =P
[01:56] <levi_> thanks
[01:56] <ins-dragonclaw> *sighs* I guess I have to create 150 contacts by hand... my phone flat-out refuses to sync
[01:56] <djwilcox> libdvdcss2 is missing has it been taken down
[01:56] <tmbg_> slylyias, I didn't have to do anything special. what have you changed?
[01:57] <DaSkreech> b0rt: D3d is a API Like openGL
[01:57] <Timba> DaSkreech: After I did a "Ctl-ALT-F6" I got a command line. That's the login commandline I'm seeing.
[01:57] <m03_> alright guys thanks for the help you've provided
[01:57] <m03_> cya soon
[01:57] <DaSkreech> b0rt: xgl is a program that makes use of D3D or OpenGL
[01:57] <DaSkreech> Timba: Ok good
[01:57] <DaSkreech>  you put in your name and password?
[01:58] <djwilcox> trying to install libdvdcss2 but it says the package is missing
[01:58] <Timba> Yes...my login name. Then, I'm getting a configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY'.
[01:59] <Timba> But, then asks for my Password on the next line.
[01:59] <DaSkreech> does it log you in with your password?
[03:00] <slylyias> tmbg_: How do I check what I have changed?
[03:00] <b0rt> oh ic, what about aiglx?
[03:00] <intelikey> ic ?    ek ?
[03:00] <DaSkreech> b0rt: You know X.org?
[03:00] <Timba> But, after that...it appears to log me onto a command line, yes.
[03:01] <b0rt> im on it
[03:01] <DaSkreech> Timba: Hmm ok
[03:01] <intelikey> o i c u r using letters 4 words
[03:01] <tmbg_> slylyias, I guess you couuld back up your existing xorg.conf, and then run that script thingy to ask you a bunch of questions and generate a new xorg.conf. instructions are here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:01] <DaSkreech> b0rt: Well AIGLX is a plugin or module for X.org that allows it to use OpenGL
[03:01] <DaSkreech> XGL is a replacement for X.org that uses OpenGL
[03:02] <b0rt> well then, u have made no differences
[03:02] <zerothis> perfect, the kdm restart did the trick
[03:02] <Alonea> what can I do if I am getting missing stuff from recycling bin or access denied?
[03:02] <b0rt> ic
[03:02] <DaSkreech> Timba: Alright can you do a tail on .xsession-errors
[03:03] <Alonea> DaSkreech: my recycle bin still hates me..
[03:03] <DaSkreech> What did it say about your matta?
[03:04] <eilker> intelikey: were you in non-gui enviroment , right ? how can i be on irc in non-gui ?
[03:04] <intelikey> eilker irssi
[03:04] <Alonea> DaSkreech: The file or folder /home/alonea/.local/share/Trash/files/rockbox_1 does not exist.
[03:04] <eilker> !irssi
[03:04] <ubotu> irssi is a command line interface !IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Alonea: Does it?
[03:05] <ins-dragonclaw> so is Konversation!
[03:05] <intelikey> eilker epic/bitchx    and xchat-text   as well as things like eggdrop can get you there
[03:05] <intelikey> here
[03:05] <intelikey> there
[03:05] <Alonea> DaSkreech: no
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Alonea: What's the problem then?
[03:06] <Alonea> DaSkreech: I can't empty my recycle bin at all now
[03:07] <Alonea> intelikey: whats that do?
[03:07] <eilker> intelikey: trying to find repo for it , coming there :)
[03:07] <soulrider> Alonea: you can manually delete whats in your trash
[03:07] <DaSkreech> Alonea: The black hole of doom
[03:08] <DaSkreech> soulrider: I don't think that's the problem
[03:08] <Alonea> soulrider: but then it just makes more copies and copies in there...
[03:08] <soulrider> do this
[03:08] <soulrider> go to
[03:08] <soulrider> hold on, let me try and remember the location'
[03:09] <Alonea> ./local/share/Trash/files place?
[03:09] <soulrider>  ~/.local/share/Trash
[03:09] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:09] <soulrider> select everything and press delete while holding shift
[03:09] <DaSkreech> !paste | Timba
[03:09] <ubotu> Timba: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:09] <intelikey> eilker repo for irssi ?  it's installed
[03:10] <soulrider> this should bring build-essential installe dby default
[03:10] <Alonea> soulrider: Access denied to /home/alonea/.local/share/Trash/files/rockbox_2/.svn/entries.
[03:10] <intelikey> Alonea /dev/null is the black hole of the linux world  anything that goes in there is for ever gone.
[03:10] <soulrider> intelikey: whats so awesome! :P
[03:11] <Alonea> ooo, pretty black hole..
[03:11] <soulrider> uhm
[03:11] <intelikey> soulrider ?
[03:11] <soulrider> maybe go there with a konsole and just do rm -r *.* ?
[03:11] <intelikey> *.* is so M$'ish
[03:11] <Alonea> soulrider: er, what if I do the delete thing you told me in kdesu konqueror?
[03:11] <soulrider> damn, i hate the sounds form k3b!
[03:11] <soulrider> intelikey: indeed
[03:11] <soulrider> i never really learned to use rm here
[03:12] <soulrider> i would have used del *.* on DOS when iw as 5 :P
[03:12] <intelikey> and most things in trash would fail *.* test because they would have no . it the name.
[03:12] <soulrider> intelikey: youre so right
[03:12] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Umm replace them?
[03:12] <soulrider> DaSkreech: replcae what ?
[03:12] <soulrider> ah
[03:13] <soulrider> the sounds
[03:13] <DaSkreech> The sounds
[03:13] <soulrider> uhm, no, i just forgot to disable them when i reinstalled
[03:14] <Alonea> soulrider: ok, doing it in kdesu konqueror worked
[03:14] <soulrider> cool Alonea
[03:14] <intelikey> heh sounds in kde  hehhe... all i get is breaking glass  :)
[03:14] <Alonea> now, hopefully the thing will work
[03:15] <soulrider> Alonea: i dont know why, but my first installation of kubuntu wouldnt delete file,s just store them there! i found out while using filelight
[03:15] <DaSkreech> intelikey: That's been banned at my office
[03:15] <DaSkreech>  I use motorcycle sounds or peel out sounds now
[03:15] <DaSkreech> They all hate me
[03:15] <soulrider> intelikey: breaking glass? =/
[03:15] <Alonea> soulrider: wierd.
[03:15] <soulrider> the console beeps ?
[03:16] <ins-dragonclaw> #kubuntu - 361 nicks (0 ops)
[03:16] <Alonea> i hate the console beep, though it is funny when my whole entire computer science class jumped when it did it
[03:16] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[03:16] <ins-dragonclaw> we're in a state of anarchy...
[03:16] <soulrider> LOL
[03:16] <soulrider> lol ins-dragonclaw
[03:16] <Alonea> sweet. no ops
[03:16] <ins-dragonclaw> oO
[03:16] <soulrider> yuu can call them, they come as fast as batman, but its like pressing the emergency stop button, you dont wanna do it
[03:16] <Alonea> i bet
[03:17] <ins-dragonclaw> how many of you are registered at http://counter.li.org ?
[03:17] <soulrider> i kind of called them once :P
[03:17] <Alonea> never heard of it ins-dragonclaw
[03:17] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[03:17] <Tm_T> yes, I have heard ops can torture you to death etc
[03:17] <Alonea> did you get bitched at soulrider?
[03:17] <sebr> hmm, i can't seem to get encypted dvds to work under feisty - any tips?
[03:17] <soulrider> i think i registered there once
[03:17] <soulrider> no Alonea someone was spamming here lol
[03:18] <soulrider> sebr: libcss?
[03:18] <Alonea> soulrider: oh, ok. good
[03:18] <Tm_T> !dvd | sebr
[03:18] <ubotu> sebr: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:18] <soulrider> or libdecss whatever :P
[03:18] <sebr> soulrider: yeah, but i don;t know where to find it
[03:18] <zerothis> not just anarchy, forced anarchy
[03:18] <soulrider> repos :_
[03:18] <Tm_T> sebr: btw hi :)
[03:18] <ins-dragonclaw> ...forced...
[03:18] <sebr> hey Tm_T :) - long time...
[03:18] <soulrider> i dont know why, but lately i cant download for the repos at more then 20kb a sec!
[03:19] <soulrider> i was so happy that i got upgraded to 1mbit :P
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Alonea: gtg?
[03:19] <ins-dragonclaw> hey, is there an applet for the taskbar that shows bandwidth usage?
[03:19] <sebr> Tm_T: those packages don't seem to be available for 7.04
[03:19] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: no, but i use knetload
[03:19] <soulrider> its wonderful!
[03:19] <intelikey> yeah chan ops are not what you have to watch out for, it's the ircops that k-line ya for being... you.
[03:19] <Tm_T> sebr: medibuntu is your friend
[03:19] <sebr> what the hell is that
[03:20] <Tm_T> http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/
[03:20] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[03:20] <soulrider> i havnt seen hawkwind in ages!
[03:20] <zerothis> so where is the _proper_ place for a shell script that i create myself? /usr/bin/ ? something i want to type in terminal and/or hide in my menu so it can have a shortcut key?
[03:20] <Tm_T> !ohmy | sebr
[03:20] <ubotu> sebr: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:20] <Alonea> DaSkreech: me, leave? never~!
[03:20] <Tm_T> zerothis: ~/bin perhaps?
[03:21] <ins-dragonclaw> soulrider:  xfce4-netload-plugin - network load monitor plugin for the Xfce4 panel <-- that one?
[03:21] <soulrider> i would put it in /usr/bin but im messy and a terrible administrator :P
[03:21] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: no, thats for the xfce panel! :P
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Alonea: Good to go?
[03:21] <intelikey> zerothis /usr/local/bin is notmally empty and in your path.  but do be sure and let root own the script and have th only write permission
[03:21] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: sudo aptitude install knetload
[03:21] <DaSkreech> The trash works?
[03:21] <ins-dragonclaw> ahh
[03:21] <Tm_T> intelikey: good point
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Timba: poke
[03:21] <zerothis> yes, forced. anarchy = no organised authority, forced anarchy =  no authority possible
[03:22] <soulrider> zerothis: there is authority here, just hiding :P
[03:22] <intelikey> notmally ???  normally  i meant
[03:22] <ins-dragonclaw> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "knetload"
[03:22] <ins-dragonclaw> nasty
[03:22] <soulrider> but as you can see, no one ever goes berserk here, its a friendly place
[03:22] <soulrider> i would like the world to be more like thic channel
[03:22] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: you enavled universe/multiverse ?
[03:22] <soulrider> !info knetload
[03:22] <soulrider> lol ins-dragonclaw
[03:22] <intelikey> soulrider just SHUT UP !
[03:23] <ubotu> knetload: a network meter for Kicker. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3-3build1 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 720 kB
[03:23] <ins-dragonclaw> LOL
[03:23] <intelikey> grin :)
[03:23] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[03:23] <Kr4t05> Okay, I have a question.
[03:23] <Tm_T> intelikey: krhm
[03:23] <soulrider> i feel hated now :( im gonna shut up forever
[03:23] <DaSkreech> zerothis: Who is expected to use it?
[03:23] <Tm_T> soulrider: please don't
[03:23] <Jonty> what is the package to install for kernel sources?
[03:23] <soulrider> and send a virus to intelikey to format his c:
[03:23] <zerothis> i thouhgt H E 2*(hockey sticks) was removed for the deadly words list years ago
[03:24] <intelikey> soulrider that was response to "as you can see, no one ever goes berserk here,"  :)
[03:24] <Tm_T> Jonty: kernel-source perhaps?
[03:24] <kmi> hi... does anyone know if there is a way to replace grub for lilo on kubuntu?
[03:24] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: to install knetload youre gonna ahve to enable universe
[03:24] <sebr> grub > lilo
[03:24] <aaron> is it possible to get firefox 2.0 on ubuntu
[03:24] <soulrider> ah, im kinda slow today :P
[03:24] <Alonea> DaSkreech: oh! on trash bucket, it looks good. got video card up too and dual booting windows again. just need to get this box to compile rockbox
[03:24] <intelikey> :)
[03:24] <ins-dragonclaw> ookay. now, soulrider, how exactly do i do that?
[03:24] <DaSkreech> Skuller: yo :)
[03:24] <Kr4t05> If I were to do DISPLAY=1: sudo startx /etc/X11/configuration.file, that would start a second xserver on DISPLAY 1 using the provided config, right?
[03:24] <soulrider> aaron: sudo aptitude install firefox
[03:24] <DaSkreech> intelikey: careful he can ride your soul
[03:24] <soulrider> !repos > ins-dragonclaw
[03:24] <Skuller> DaSkreech: hey man
[03:24] <aaron> thanks man
[03:24] <DaSkreech> Skuller: how goes?
[03:24] <Jonty> Tm_T: "kernel-source-2.4.27"
[03:24] <intelikey> soulrider that's why i followed with  "<intelikey> grin :) "
[03:24] <Jonty> I don't think so :P
[03:24] <Tm_T> Jonty: linux-source to be precise
[03:25] <soulrider> Skuller: got your problems sorted out ?
 intelikey: careful he can ride your soul <-- Oo
[03:25] <Skuller> DaSkreech: poor man...problems with X, nvidia drivers, beryl, etc.
[03:25] <soulrider> intelikey: got it :P
[03:25] <Jonty> Tm_T: I installed that earlier today
[03:25] <zerothis> intelikey: got it. slowly i am repairing the damage done by M$ and lerning things right
[03:25] <Tm_T> Jonty: and?
[03:25] <soulrider> zerothis: wonderful
[03:25] <Skuller> soulrider: i downloaded the latest drivers from the nvidia site but it wont install using 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run', says that i need to close X to install
[03:25] <Jonty> Tm_T: but it seems like only the makefiles are there
[03:26] <intelikey> zerothis k.
[03:26] <Jonty> (in /usr/src/linux)
[03:26] <aaron> I need firefox 2.0 on Ubuntu 6.06lts sorry the aptitude thing didnt work
[03:26] <DaSkreech> !fhs
[03:26] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[03:26] <aaron> I got 1.5 right now
[03:26] <Skuller> DaSkreech: what about you?, how u doing?
[03:26] <ins-dragonclaw> guys
[03:26] <ins-dragonclaw> Asking ubotu to accept upload of "Kubuntu" (16,755,154.0 TB)
[03:26] <ins-dragonclaw> What
[03:26] <soulrider> Skuller: you need to go to one of the consoles (alt+ctrl+fx) kill X and run the script
[03:26] <ins-dragonclaw> is that file?
[03:26] <ins-dragonclaw> i don't need a 16-million terabyte file
[03:26] <DaSkreech> Skuller: Not bad trying to pull together some apis and get a perfect Windows program running in Wine
[03:26] <soulrider> aaron: did you enable universe and multiverse ?
[03:27] <aaron> yea I am pretty sure
[03:27] <Skuller> DaSkreech: cool...which one would that be?
[03:27] <DaSkreech> WTLib
[03:27] <aaron> I dled firefox and it got me 1.5 but I want 2.0
[03:27] <DaSkreech> It has a drop down calendar that I can't get working
[03:27] <aaron> and I cant seem to get it
[03:27] <Skuller> ohh
[03:27] <Skuller> soulrider: fx?
[03:27] <soulrider> aaron: i think you probably didnt enable the repos
[03:27] <soulrider> Skuller: i though X had died on you
[03:28] <DaSkreech> aaron: What Kubuntu are you on?
[03:28] <Tm_T> !firefox | aaron
[03:28] <ubotu> aaron: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[03:28] <aaron> Kubuntu 6.06lts
[03:28] <kmi> grub doesn't work and neither liloconfig on kubuntu edgy... has anyone also experienced this?
[03:28] <DaSkreech> !info firefox dapper
[03:28] <Tm_T> no idea if that wikipage is uptodate
[03:28] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.10-0ubuntu0.6.06.2 (dapper), package size 7761 kB, installed size 22992 kB
[03:28] <Skuller> soulrider: no i am using 'nv' so its working. i downloaded the driver from nvidia.com and it says i need to close X to install...in your instructions u mentioned (ctrl+alt+fx)...what is fx?
[03:28] <soulrider> ohh great news! today i was talking to my dad and he said he was gonna get a new comp. He said he was gonna ask for windows to be installe din a small partition, because he wanted me to install linux on it!
[03:28] <DaSkreech> aaron: There you go
[03:29] <soulrider> x is a number
[03:29] <Tm_T> !info firefox dapper-backports
[03:29] <ubotu> Package firefox does not exist in dapper-backports
[03:29] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:29] <soulrider> press ctrl alt f1
[03:29] <Skuller> ok
[03:29] <soulrider> and then alt f7 to come bakc
[03:29] <intelikey> 16x10^12 bytes  ???
[03:29] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: They can't install Firefox2 in the backports
[03:30] <DaSkreech>  they went over this already
[03:30] <aaron> thanks
[03:30] <ins-dragonclaw> intelikey: I'm sure the Internet isn't that big...
[03:30] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: interesting, and somewhat, uninteresting :)
[03:30] <Jonty> can anyone suggest a reason why after installing linux-source /usr/src/linux still only contains makefiles?
[03:31] <DaSkreech> aaron: You will have to get it from the Mozilla page
[03:31] <soulrider> aaron: remember to get a deb file
[03:31] <intelikey> ins-dragonclaw i'm not so sure...   still trying to wrap my head around the total number of boxes and avarage drive size....
[03:31] <soulrider> DaSkreech: cant he get it from the edgy repos ?
[03:31] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[03:32] <DaSkreech> soulrider: yeah
[03:32] <DaSkreech> It's a pain though
[03:32] <aaron> says it worked
[03:32] <soulrider> DaSkreech: packages.ubuntu.com ?
[03:32] <Jonty> can anyone suggest a reason why after installing linux-source /usr/src/linux still only contains makefiles and includes?
[03:32] <intelikey> if 9 to 1 is avaridge  there probably is.
[03:32] <ins-dragonclaw> throw in the NSA, DARPA and the pentagon, the dark web and the rest of the internet, and you'll probably come close to 1 million terabytes. It's a good thing we know that software has bugs, sometimes :)
[03:33] <aaron> yup it worked sweet thanks
[03:33] <Skuller> soulrider: ok i screwed up things
[03:33] <DaSkreech> soulrider: no in that the depends make you update a bunch of stuff
[03:33] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: dark web? O.O
[03:34] <intelikey> Skuller ?
[03:34] <Skuller> soulrider: ctrl alt f1 opened a black screen where i couldnt type anything but there were many errors...i did ctrl alt f1 and i got a terminal thingy and i did the install script and it said that the X server was running and that i needed to close it inorder to continue
[03:34] <sebr> Tm_T: awesome, medibuntu worked
[03:34] <DaSkreech> Skuller: yup
[03:34] <Jonty> soulrider: it's known by some as microsoft.com :P
[03:34] <soulrider> Skuller: yes, you need to kill it
[03:34] <soulrider> lol Jonty
[03:35] <soulrider> Skuller: i think you need to do "sudo kill -9 <pid of xorg>"
[03:35] <DaSkreech> Skuller: try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[03:35] <ins-dragonclaw> soulrider: you don't know about the dark web? O.o
[03:35] <Jonty> The first rule of the dark web...
[03:35] <intelikey> Skuller when you need to close the X sever you can    sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop(or start) to restart it when ready.
[03:35] <Skuller> DaSkreech: soulrider: can i also log off and start a terminal session from there and do it?
[03:35] <eilker> intelikey>which browser do u use ? links2 ? and how do u listen to music ?
[03:35] <soulrider> Skuller: i was just thinking that, maybe if you use recovery mode....
[03:36] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with making backups of a dvd?
[03:36] <soulrider> pollyo: thats illegal :P
[03:36] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: like cracked software etc etc ?
[03:36] <pollyo> soulrider: Is it?
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Skuller: sure
[03:36] <intelikey> eilker elinks a lot any more.   links2 is good and supports graphics  but had no ssl support built in.
[03:36] <soulrider> yes pollyo
[03:36] <Minataku> One backup is provided for personal use only under the provisions of fair use
[03:36] <soulrider> pollyo: but you might wanna try k9copy :P
[03:36] <Minataku> No matter what the MPAA tells you
[03:36] <specialbuddy> has anyone had issues with beryl where the top bar is missing?
[03:37] <ins-dragonclaw> soulrider: The dark web is basically every computer on the planet that goes online. You know Kazaa, right? P2P filesharing and personal webservers - that's what the dark web is
[03:37] <ins-dragonclaw> mostly*
[03:37] <Skuller> soulrider: DaSkreech: intelikey: i logged in from the terminal session and did the install script there of the nvidia drivers but it said that it could not find the precompiledkernel or something
[03:37] <skarface> but they're not even on the web
[03:37] <soulrider> ahh ins-dragonclaw i had some very dark past moderating some forsums then :P when iw as a windows user of course
[03:37] <ins-dragonclaw> Google's trying to built a bot that can index it
[03:37] <eilker> intelikey>will i able to listen music ?
[03:38] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[03:38] <intelikey> eilker vlc  music and vidio (frame buffer or svgalibs)
[03:38] <intelikey> eilker but i use  sox  a lot for just venella sound file.  .ogg
[03:39] <intelikey> eilker alsamixer is your volume control
[03:39] <ins-dragonclaw> speaking of which
[03:39] <intelikey> or aumix if you prefer
[03:39] <ins-dragonclaw> how do you get 5.1 surround sound to work in kubuntu?
[03:40] <eilker> intelikey> i am going to join to you , non-gui
[03:40] <soulrider> eilker: intelikey i would like to learn to use the console more too
[03:40] <soulrider> and not be so GUI dependant
[03:40] <ins-dragonclaw> keep | grep handy. lol
[03:40] <intelikey> eilker don't do it cause i "made it sound cool"  if you go commando do it cause you want to.
[03:41] <intelikey> and soulrider ^
[03:41] <soulrider> intelikey: has a a prehistoric PC he picked up froma  dumpster
[03:41] <eilker> intelikey> i will :)
[03:41] <intelikey> soulrider prehistoric :)
[03:41] <Tm_T> sebr: it should :)
[03:42] <intelikey> older than my p1 ?
[03:42] <eilker> i wanna be good on server management so that starting to it
[03:42] <Tm_T> intelikey: how that could be prehistoric?
[03:42] <eilker> !fb
[03:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <intelikey> 100mhz p1-mmx  with the huge 600m hd and 64m ram    hehhe  runs linux in the console just like the big dogs...
[03:43] <soulrider> intelikey: i wanna learn to use it ebcause i remember how you told me aobut all the things you could do, and i read an article about how this guy could do torrents mp3s and other stuff at the same time with a 75hz PC
[03:43] <Tm_T> intelikey: that's old but not even historic
[03:44] <Tm_T> intelikey: I have 80486 laptop in use
[03:44] <morvok> my old crap is clustered together :)
[03:45] <soulrider> i think intelikey gets the title of coolest guy in here
[03:45] <ins-dragonclaw> *Screams at his ISP*
[03:45] <soulrider> i sort of feel stupic with my P4 processor, he can do all i do with a PC he picked up from a dumpster
[03:45] <intelikey> Tm_T no i was just giving a referance point.   i have a 25mhz 486 lappy   nec versa that i installed linux on.     but i still have and use a tandy 1000 xt   80286  640k ram
[03:45] <Tm_T> intelikey: uuh :)
[03:45] <eilker> intelikey> ok i am on irssi beginnig window , would u like to tell me how to join kubuntu ? or u tell me read monuels :)
[03:45] <Tm_T> intelikey: why not said "like my pretty new p1?" ;)
[03:46] <eilker> intelikey> i am at "status" text
[03:46] <Tm_T> eilker: /connect freenode
[03:46] <soulrider> eilker: /connect irc.freenode.net
[03:46] <intelikey> and i hate to admit it.  but dos can do on the tandy what linux can not.... "boot"
[03:46] <soulrider> and then  /join #kubuntu
[03:46] <ins-dragonclaw> Oh. Konversation has a built in Konsole. This saves some trouble...
[03:46] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: try yakuake
[03:46] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: yup, I used to run irssi on it
[03:46] <intelikey> eilker /server irc.freenode.net
[03:47] <intelikey> eilker /join #kubuntu
[03:47] <Tm_T> oh, root
[03:47] <ins-dragonclaw> freaken everything has a konsole built into it. even KATE O.o
[03:47] <DaSkreech> ins-dragonclaw: It does? Wher?
[03:47] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: Konqueror too
[03:47] <soulrider> KATE OWNS!
[03:47] <ins-dragonclaw> Amen.
[03:47] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[03:47] <ins-dragonclaw> DaSkreech: Window > New Konsole
[03:47] <soulrider> kate is the master of the universe
[03:48] <ins-dragonclaw> kate is the master of my /home/ins-dragonclaw/stories/ folder ;)
[03:48] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Mistress maybe?
[03:48] <ins-dragonclaw> probably
[03:48] <soulrider> lol DaSkreech
[03:48] <intelikey> soulrider if you want to learn linux (cli) start by opening a konsole and trying to use it for what ever you do.
[03:48] <soulrider> kate really is a wonderful app
[03:48] <soulrider> intelikey: do you use screen ?
[03:49] <intelikey> it's like training wheels for the console
[03:49] <intelikey> soulrider no
[03:49] <DaSkreech> soulrider: too bad it's moving out of KDE :(
[03:49] <soulrider> intelikey: i do use the konsole quite a lot
[03:49] <eilker> intelikey> i am in, but i cant send msg ?
[03:49] <soulrider> DaSkreech: REALLY ?!
[03:49] <ins-dragonclaw> I keep a Konsole forever on Desktop 4 - fullscreen mode and with a pretty backdrop :)
[03:49] <eilker> intelikey> i am in, but i cant send msg ?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> soulrider: moving from main to kdedev
[03:49] <eilker> my nick is root :)
[03:49] <soulrider> intelikey: how do you have 'unlimited' consoles then ?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> ins-dragonclaw: learn yakuake :)
[03:49] <intelikey> eilker i saw that but needed an inturpretor.
[03:50] <soulrider> DaSkreech: so its not gonna come by default ?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> soulrider: bingo
[03:50] <eilker> intelikey> such as ?
[03:50] <soulrider> DaSkreech: what text editor ar we gonna have ?
[03:50] <ins-dragonclaw> KWrite
[03:50] <intelikey> soulrider there are never "unlimited"  but i have never used the standard 128 avalable to need to enable another 127 of them
[03:50] <DaSkreech> ins-dragonclaw: I see you keep up with the news :)
[03:50] <ins-dragonclaw> ooh: Vim
[03:50] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[03:51] <intelikey> eilker what do you mean "i am in, but i cant send msg ?"
[03:51] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: har, I was terrified couple days ago when I noticed I don't have kate =)
[03:51] <Specialbuddy> has anyone here used feisty yet?
[03:51] <Tm_T> Specialbuddy: sure
[03:51] <eagles0513875> elkier ddid u login
[03:51] <Specialbuddy> how do you like it?
[03:51] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Well get used to installing it yourself :)
[03:51] <Tm_T> Specialbuddy: like much
[03:52] <eilker> intelikey> how to send message to the channel ?
[03:52] <Specialbuddy> is it worth getting now or waiting til the official release
[03:52] <eilker> intelikey> i write but i cant see here
[03:52] <Tm_T> eilker: write and press enter?
[03:52] <ins-dragonclaw> DaSkreech: "News" and "ins-dragonclaw" are like "Micro$oft" and "Playing Fair" - 101% incompatible
[03:52] <ins-dragonclaw> I just noticed that KDE uses KWrite for everything
[03:52] <intelikey> eilker did you /join #kubuntu ?
[03:52] <eilker> intelikey> yes
[03:52] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: well, I always install it myself ofcourse, but haven't looked where it is now in svn, since it's not in base
[03:53] <intelikey> oh and use the   [alt] +[1-9]   keys to switch windows in the irssi client
[03:53] <soulrider> i cannot live with kate
[03:53] <soulrider> its so fabulous!!
[03:53] <Tm_T> Specialbuddy: wait for release if you're not looking for testing and bughunting
[03:53] <intelikey> eilker_ now you are here
[03:53] <ins-dragonclaw> that made no sense, soulrider
[03:53] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[03:53] <soulrider> loll, i meant without
[03:53] <Specialbuddy> is it that bad?
[03:53] <intelikey> eilker_ you are here
[03:53] <Tm_T> soulrider: without? ;)
[03:53] <ins-dragonclaw> I only like kate because of that sidebar
[03:53] <marcelo> oi
[03:53] <ins-dragonclaw> keeps all my chapters in line... lol
[03:53] <marcelo> e a  galera
[03:53] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: its great how it marks code
[03:54] <soulrider> !pt
[03:54] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[03:54] <ins-dragonclaw> I noticed that. but I use it for creative -Writing- , not creative -Coding-
[03:54] <eilker_> test
[03:54] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: looks like I will start doing weekly builds, ~4 months between builds is too much ;)
[03:54] <ins-dragonclaw> eilker_: it worked
[03:54] <soulrider> i really dont see the point in replacing it for kwrite
[03:54] <Tm_T> eilker_: welcome :)
[03:54] <eilker_> yeah great :)
[03:54] <ins-dragonclaw> me neither
[03:54] <soulrider> :)
[03:55] <ins-dragonclaw> kwrite is like Notepad 2.0
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: KDe I assume?
[03:55] <eilker_> here is only blue and black :)
[03:55] <ins-dragonclaw> kate is beyond MS Word
[03:55] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: KDE4 yes
[03:55] <DaSkreech> and kate is like kwrite 6.0
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Shame
[03:55] <soulrider> indeed ins-dragonclaw
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Oh yeah please do and blog it :-)
[03:56] <intelikey> eilker_ see the status line at the bottom that shows the  "Act #" that tells you there are new test in that window.
[03:56] <soulrider> Tm_T: youre in charge of buiilding KDE ?
[03:56] <Specialbuddy> if I have beryl 0.2, how do I get 0.3?
[03:56] <ins-dragonclaw> ins-dragonclaw is n=444800@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za (Wogan May) <-- lol. my linux-counter ID shows up...
[03:56] <Tm_T> soulrider: well, for myself yes ;)
[03:56] <DaSkreech> soulrider: at 4 months :-) I sure hope not
[03:56] <Tm_T> eilker_: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png <- blue and black is the word yes :)
[03:57] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: blog? oh my... should start coding instead ;)
[03:57] <eilker> intelikey> i can only see what i wrote in irssi, i cant see yours
[03:57] <soulrider> Tm_T: what konsole are you using ? =/ ots transparent
[03:57] <DaSkreech> http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/articles/2007/03/19/sounds-of-the-shuttle
[03:57] <DaSkreech> That's a pretty blog
[03:57] <intelikey> eliker you can't see this text in the irssi client ?
[03:57] <Tm_T> soulrider: there's Konsole and Eterm atleast
[03:57] <DaSkreech> eilker: Did you press Alt+2?
[03:57] <eilker> intelikey> no i cant
[03:58] <eilker> DaSkreech> yes i did
[03:58] <intelikey> eilker use the   alt+2  or  alt+3   to get to  "Act 2"  or 3 respectively.
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Alt+3? :-)
[03:58] <ins-dragonclaw> Does KDE have a Solitare clone? I'm getting bored...
[03:59] <eilker_> test
[03:59] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: im addiceted to ksirtet
[03:59] <Tm_T> eilker_: hi :)
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[03:59] <soulrider> addicted*
[03:59] <intelikey> ins-dragonclaw a few
[03:59] <ins-dragonclaw> i can see oO
[03:59] <ins-dragonclaw> ok
[03:59] <ins-dragonclaw> what is the -best- clone?
[03:59] <intelikey> ins-dragonclaw may i sujest kolf
[04:00] <eilker> intelikey> still i cant, and it is on act1
[04:00] <ins-dragonclaw> you may
[04:00] <intelikey> eilker act 1  shoule be the server messages.
[04:00] <ins-dragonclaw> whether or not i install it is beyond you :)
[04:00] <intelikey> act 2    or 3    should be the channel
[04:01] <intelikey> eilker it's just a matter of taste but try installing bitchx and see if you like it.
[04:01] <eilker_> #/quit
[04:01] <ins-dragonclaw> i think i'm going to bed...
[04:01] <intelikey> i never really liked irssi either.
[04:02] <Tm_T> intelikey: I never liked any other client than irssi :)
[04:02] <Tm_T> only client I've really liked in all these 7 years of IRC
[04:02] <intelikey> like i said it's taste not client really   either can be made to look and act just like the other
[04:02] <Tm_T> intelikey: yup
[04:03] <eilker> intelikey> you told me for irssi :) now let me install bitchx
[04:03] <intelikey> eilker i told you the one that ubuntu installed by default.  not the one i liked.  i did mention others also.
[04:04] <intelikey> if you care to scroll up and review the matter...
[04:05] <subon1> is it possible to make two rows of taskbar panels?
[04:05] <DaSkreech> subon1: I don't see why not
[04:05] <eilker> intelikey> ok man, i have some screen problems
[04:05] <eilker> intelikey> let me reset X
[04:05] <subon1> DaSkreech: I'm not seeing how its possible... do you know how?
[04:06] <eilker> intelikey> since 1 hour my screen is so huge
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Nope
[04:06] <Tm_T> subon1: yes, configure kicker to be bigger
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Just seems likely that you can :)
[04:06] <subon1> kicker?
[04:06] <Tm_T> subon1: kicker is that panel app
[04:06] <intelikey> kicker kick kick kicker
[04:07] <subon1> i dont mean two rows of tasks i mean like my open windows on the bottom and other panels on top
[04:07] <intelikey> new panel
[04:07] <Tm_T> subon1: well, that then goes to same configuration
[04:07] <soulrider> im back, i hd my daily dose of ksirtet
[04:08] <Tm_T> subon1: rightclick empty space in panel -> Configure panel
[04:08] <subon1> I'm not seeing any way to configure it like that however
[04:08] <subon1> ok im there...
[04:08] <intelikey> err add new pannel first
[04:08] <subon1> i added one...
[04:08] <soulrider> yeah
[04:08] <soulrider> subon1: i think youre ognna have to restart x
[04:08] <soulrider> for some reason
[04:09] <soulrider> you cant edit a newly added panel if you dont restart KDE
[04:09] <subon1> soulrider: why's that
[04:09] <intelikey> yes it's called a "bug"
[04:09] <soulrider> at least thats what happens to me
[04:09] <subon1> i cant? i have been
[04:09] <soulrider> bug i guess
[04:09] <Tm_T> bah, I'm too tired to think (and it's morning here) so good night kids and remember to behave! ->
[04:09] <soulrider> see ya Tm_T
[04:09] <intelikey> Tm_T snore loud and you wont know what we do
[04:10] <soulrider> i wonder how many keys are prssed on an average day
[04:10] <subon1> what do i do after adding the panel?
[04:10] <soulrider> subon1: log out and then back in and youll be able to edit it
[04:10] <intelikey> soulrider not more than 105 here...
[04:11] <subon1> ok... brb
[04:11] <intelikey> that's all the kb has...
[04:11] <soulrider> bad jokle intelikey..... :P
[04:11] <intelikey> oh you mean repetes    sorry
[04:11] <soulrider> intelikey: you thought i meant different keys ?
[04:12] <intelikey> as you said.  bad jokle
[04:12] <soulrider> i used to have a program on windows that counted all of my keystrokes
[04:12] <soulrider> its 11pm and im so sleepy.....
[04:12] <intelikey> so lay down
[04:12] <soulrider> and i just had a big cup of cofee
[04:12] <soulrider> intelikey: if i lay down its to sleep, i have a www.hiddenbed.com
[04:13] <soulrider> and im too lazy to mka emy bed just to lay for a while
[04:13] <SubOn1> ok back now what
[04:13] <soulrider> SubOn1: now just right click it and configure
[04:13] <intelikey> now you should be able to configure the panels seperately
[04:14] <ben__> anyone can help me change the login screen
[04:14] <SubOn1> its still on the main toolbar though
[04:14] <soulrider> ben__: the splash or the KDM theme ?
[04:14] <intelikey> from <> to   ben ?
[04:15] <SubOn1> i need a dock application bar or what
[04:15] <SubOn1> ah nvm got it
[04:15] <DaSkreech> Woah
[04:15] <eilker> intelikey> sorry for asking again what you suggested to me instead of links2 cause of ssl ?
[04:15] <DaSkreech>  Why am I getting an update for natilus?
[04:15] <intelikey> elinks
[04:16] <nomad111> hey all my kubuntu wasnt starting up at all
[04:16] <DaSkreech> soulrider: ha ha I thought you meant keys for a door :)
[04:16] <nomad111> it would just stop at the first loading screen
[04:16] <nomad111> a quarter way into it
[04:16] <DaSkreech> intelikey: elinks uses natilus?
[04:16] <nomad111> so i went to recovery mode and rebooted for it to work
[04:16] <soulrider> DaSkreech: your lock must be weird, i turn my keys when i wanna open the door, not press them!
[04:16] <nomad111> is there anyway to pinpoint the problem
[04:17] <intelikey> eilker elinks defaults to a white bg though.  and i hate white bg's.    the menu will let you configure it.      oh and did i mention installing and using gpm = general purpose mouse support for the console ?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> soulrider: yeah but when you lose one key you press a new one
[04:17] <intelikey> DaSkreech natilus?
[04:17] <soulrider> ahh, i didnt know that was called that
[04:17] <DaSkreech> intelikey: yes
[04:17] <pollyo> Anyone know of a site that discusses how to make a backup of a dvd?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> I have a lib natilus update
[04:17] <intelikey> DaSkreech what you on ?
[04:17] <SubOne> why wont it let me change the size of the new panel?
[04:17] <SubOne> i want it tiny
[04:17] <DaSkreech> A chair
[04:17] <soulrider> pollyo: you can probably find somethign ont he forums, but you can try using k9copy
[04:18] <soulrider> SubOne: weird, i can change it no problem =/
[04:18] <eilker> intelikey> yeah i got it, btw how to connect to freenode via bitchx ? it says me u r not an irc operator
[04:18] <SubOne> it wont let me change to anything but normal
[04:18] <Minataku> Almost everything uses shared libraries
[04:18] <DaSkreech> intelikey: my updates just popped up with a update for lib-natilus
[04:18] <SubOne> oh it was locked
[04:19] <DaSkreech> I'm mightly confused
[04:19] <SubOne> no that didnt help
[04:19] <Minataku> Very few things are compiled statically
[04:19] <intelikey> eilker i use the command line.   bitchx -n"nickname" -c"kubuntu" irc.freenode.net
[04:20] <soulrider> intelikey: bitchx? o.O
[04:20] <intelikey> eilker if you just start it it will default to irc.freenode.net   and the /join #command  is the same
[04:20] <intelikey> soulrider yeah
[04:20] <soulrider> is that an irc client
[04:20] <SubOne> actually it wont let me change the main panel nor the new panels size now....
[04:20] <intelikey> soulrider yes
[04:20] <soulrider> i see intelikey, better than irssi ?
[04:20] <sonoftheclayr> SubOne: at the top of the configure panel window change the combo box from Main Panel to Panel or something
[04:20] <DaSkreech> How do I see what packages rely on a installed package?
[04:21] <SubOne> sonoftheclayr: yes i did but it wont let me change the size of either lemme try another logout
[04:21] <intelikey> DaSkreech so you have something installed that requirse lib-natilus i guess and the update is available
[04:21] <soulrider> DaSkreech: you can see in packages.ubuntu.com
[04:21] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Hmm?
[04:21] <DaSkreech> How?
[04:21] <sonoftheclayr> SubOne: change the "Normal" down the bottom to custom and you should be able to adjust the slider
[04:21] <intelikey> apt-cache --rdepends package    or is id dpkg ???
[04:22] <SubOne> thats what im saying it wont let me change that combo box
[04:22] <SubOne> sec
[04:22] <DaSkreech> -rdepends?
[04:22] <intelikey> one or the other has that function DaSkreech
[04:23] <DaSkreech> suppose neither does :)
[04:23] <ben__> anyone know how to change the logon screen
[04:23] <SubOne> yeah must be a bug worked fine after another logout
[04:23] <soulrider> yeah, i just tried and none of them do
[04:23] <SubOne> ben__: yes
[04:23] <intelikey> depends tells what that package needs and rdepends (reverse dependancy checking) tells you what needs that package   i think...   i don't play there much.
[04:23] <soulrider> ben__: the one that shows you when its loading or the one where u put your password ?
[04:24] <ben__> the one that shows where to put ur pass
[04:24] <soulrider> ben__: youre looking for a KDM theme
[04:24] <soulrider> try http://kde-look.org
[04:24] <nomad111> wat is a good download manager i can get
[04:24] <nomad111> so many choices
[04:25] <intelikey> it's apt-cache    but no dashes.
[04:25] <intelikey> DaSkreech ^
[04:25] <ben__> i downloade the theme but where do i put it
[04:25] <soulrider> ben__: dunno
[04:25] <eilker2> test
[04:25] <soulrider> nomad111: kwget ?
[04:25] <eilker2> intellikey: now it is ok
[04:26] <soulrider> !info kwget
[04:26] <ben__> is there anyone who know how to change the password login screen
[04:26] <ben__> ????
[04:26] <ubotu> Package kwget does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[04:26] <soulrider> !info kget
[04:26] <eilker2> !kget
[04:26] <ben__> i am using kubuntu dapper
[04:26] <ubotu> kget: download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 432 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[04:26] <nomad111> soulrider: i see wat do u think of d4x?
[04:26] <posingaspopular> ben__, yea what's the issue specifically
[04:26] <soulrider> ben__: look for instructions in the site
[04:26] <nomad111> better or worse
[04:26] <soulrider> nomad111: never tried it
[04:26] <eilker2>  kget can be used on dapper too
[04:26] <soulrider> !info d4x
[04:26] <ubotu> d4x: graphical download manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.7.1-2 (edgy), package size 706 kB, installed size 2016 kB
[04:26] <sonoftheclayr> ben__: you need kdmtheme (sudo apt-get install kdmtheme)
[04:27] <ben__> no not the theme
[04:27] <ben__> the login screen
[04:27] <sonoftheclayr> ben__:thats the theme manager for the login screen
[04:27] <eilker2> ben__: try gdm
[04:27] <ben__> i hate the original password login screen
[04:27] <eilker2> ben__: so change it, kde-look.org
[04:27] <intelikey> ben__ that is a theem.
[04:28] <posingaspopular> ben__, you mean the splash screen?
[04:28] <eilker2> www.kde-look.org
[04:28] <ben__> gdm???
[04:28] <soulrider> he means the kdm theme
[04:28] <soulrider> ben__: install kdmtheme
[04:28] <intelikey> ben__ if you mean the window manager.  install xdm or gdm  and use it
[04:28] <soulrider> and dont look at that gdm comment :P
[04:28] <soulrider> intelikey: he means the KDM theme
[04:28] <eilker2> i hate kdm , because it doesnt work on my box after edgy upgrade :D
[04:28] <eilker2> yeah gdm is ok :)
[04:29] <eagles0513875> will any windows game work with wine
[04:29] <intelikey> yes we all addressed that.  but not to the satisfying of ben__ so i mentioned the next logical step.  change the whole display manager
[04:29] <soulrider> eagles0513875: not any
[04:29] <eilker2> intellikey: is it enought only 7 terminals in console ?
[04:29] <eagles0513875> would civilization 4 or counterstrike
[04:29] <ben__> do you know where the themes are kept
[04:29] <sonoftheclayr> eagles0513875: http://appdb.winehq.org
[04:30] <SubOne> is there anyway to move K Menu to a different panel?
[04:30] <intelikey> eilker2 what do you mean only 7 ?   you have 128 avalable.
[04:30] <soulrider> ben__: to change the themes install a program called kdmtheme
[04:30] <sonoftheclayr> eagles0513875: civ 4 no cs not to sure
[04:30] <SubOne> nvm
[04:30] <soulrider> SubOne: yeah
[04:30] <soulrider> right click, add applet, and then k menu
[04:30] <SubOne> answered my own dumb question
[04:30] <eilker2> intellikey: 128 ? ctrl + alt f1 to f7
[04:31] <ben__> what is the restore command
[04:31] <ben__> ???
[04:31] <soulrider> eilker2: his keyboard has 128 f keys :P
[04:31] <intelikey> eilker2 i only have one console that runs getty (login prompt)     use  openvt -fsc 24
[04:31] <SubOne> i dont supose i can make the systray icons a bit smaller?
[04:31] <soulrider> ben__: restore command ?
[04:31] <ben__> yeah!!!
[04:32] <sonoftheclayr> !info kdmtheme
[04:32] <eilker2> SubOne: u can hide as u like
[04:32] <ubotu> kdmtheme: theme manager for KDM. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-1 (edgy), package size 100 kB, installed size 264 kB
[04:32] <ben__> if my xorg.conf file is corrupted how do i restore the backup
[04:32] <soulrider> ben__: i dont know what you mean ?
[04:32] <intelikey> eilker2 now you can use the right-alt+f12 to reach tty24 and left-alt+f1 to reach tty1
[04:32] <SubOne> i know i can hide, but the icons themselves are a bit tall for the panel
[04:32] <posingaspopular> !xorg
[04:32] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:32] <soulrider> ben__: you will have to do it manually or reconfigure it
[04:33] <DaSkreech> leileilol: eeek
[04:33] <leileilol> nihao
[04:33] <ben__> ok
[04:33] <soulrider> DaSkreech: ?
[04:33] <intelikey> eilker2 also of note   left-alt+<-   or  ->  the dirrectional keys  moves one (open) tty up or down...
[04:34] <Arbosis> hey
[04:34] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Hmm?
[04:34] <intelikey> you can cycle through them that way.
[04:34] <soulrider> intelikey: what did you say you were using to do that
[04:34] <eilker2> i did the second one that u said, but i couldnt do the first one
[04:35] <intelikey> soulrider alt+  dirrectional keys  < or >
[04:35] <xena_> linux india
[04:35] <soulrider> DaSkreech: i didnt get your 'eeekk' comment
[04:35] <soulrider> intelikey: i meant more than 7 terminals
[04:35] <intelikey> soulrider openvt
[04:35] <DaSkreech> soulrider: That wasn't at you
[04:35] <jhutchins> soulrider: Eh?  You can have as many as you want, but the keyswitching gets interesting.
[04:35] <eilker> intelikey> right-alt+f12 ?
[04:36] <soulrider> intelikey: its a program ?
[04:36] <xena_> linux
[04:37] <intelikey> eilker2 yes left-alt+f#  is tty1-12  right-alt+f# is tty13-24    i think there is a key combo for 26-36 & 37-48  but i never use that many.
[04:37] <DaSkreech> That was for leileilol
[04:37] <intelikey> ooops 25-*
[04:38] <jhutchins> I often pipe logs to 10-12, makes it easy to monitor stuff.
[04:38] <intelikey> soulrider yes it's a default tool
[04:38] <eilker> what is left-alt ? left arrow + alt //
[04:38] <jhutchins> By convention there are six consoles though.
[04:38] <intelikey> eilker2 no does your key board only have one [alt]  key ?
[04:39] <intelikey> or one on both ends of the space bar ?
[04:39] <jhutchins> eilker: Linux can distinguish between the left-hand and right-hand shift, ctrl, alt, and win keys.
[04:39] <eilker> intelikey> i have "alt " and "altgr"
[04:39] <Arbosis> can anybody help me? my live cd for amd 64 doesn't load the desktop
[04:39] <intelikey> well altgr then would be right-alt  i assume
[04:40] <jhutchins> eilker: Right, but you have the same hardware that I do, just painted differently.
[04:40] <soulrider> eilker: keyboard in sanish ?
[04:40] <soulrider> spanish**
[04:40] <Arbosis> can anybody help me? my live cd for amd 64 doesn't load the desktop
[04:40] <eilker> soulrider: nope
[04:40] <soulrider> Arbosis: do you get any errors ?
[04:40] <Arbosis> yes
[04:40] <intelikey> Arbosis you do have 64 bit processor ?
[04:40] <Arbosis> something about some device
[04:40] <jhutchins> To the left of my space bar, I have from left to right Ctrl, Windows, Alt, to the right it's Alt, Windows, ContextMenu, Ctrl.
[04:40] <soulrider> what errors ?
[04:40] <Arbosis> yes
[04:41] <soulrider> youll have to give us the rrors youre getting
[04:41] <soulrider> you ccan however try the alternate CD
[04:41] <Arbosis> i just remember that shows error loading some devices and some numbers of those devices
[04:41] <eilker> funny thing right-alt +ctrl +f# only changes the desktops
[04:41] <intelikey> eilker  not ctrl
[04:41] <soulrider> does anyone know if my processor needs somethign fancy to use kvm ?
[04:41] <jhutchins> Arbosis: Try a 32b CD, it's easier to get started with.
[04:42] <intelikey> do not use ctrl with the alt keys in the console
[04:42] <jhutchins> When you're in X, you need Ctrl-Alt-Fx.
[04:42] <Arbosis> but it will go slower than 64b ?
[04:42] <eilker> if i dont use ctrl , no sense
[04:42] <Assimilator> why does adept keep crashing in the beta all I was trying to do was install the java pluging for firefox and i keep getting a comit error
[04:42] <jhutchins> When you're in console, it's just Ctrl-Fx, like switching desktops in KDE.
[04:43] <SubOne> What is a "Dock Application Bar"?
[04:43] <jhutchins> Er, alt, my bad.
[04:43] <intelikey> eilker then your hardware or os is totally different to mine.
[04:43] <jhutchins> SubOne: Something like a taskbar or a system tray.
[04:43] <SubOne> but nothing is in it
[04:43] <SubOne> and i cant right click it
[04:44] <jhutchins> eilker, intelikey: You can switch consoles with Alt-F# if you're not running X.
[04:44] <eilker2> yeah it may, in console , left alt + f#  works until seven
[04:44] <intelikey> jhutchins if you are not in X
[04:44] <eilker2> but right-alt +f no sense
[04:44] <rustin> hey, someone knows re-enable the kde's taskbar?
[04:45] <jhutchins> eilker2: Yeah, kubuntu distinguishes between left and right and doesn't default map them the same.
[04:45] <jhutchins> rustin: Restart KDE?
[04:45] <zerothis> oh, shell scripts don't look like .bat files.  I found one of those oh-so-help a tutorials "step 1: write your shell script with vi. step 2: use chmod to make it +x and 755." lucky me i know how to do step 2, and i even know what vi is. but how write a script?  to M$ would do good promoting windows as better than linux by posting links to linux tutorials on their site. can anyone recomend a good place to learn shell script writing?
[04:45] <eilker2> what about left-alt + f10 ?
[04:45] <jhutchins> rustin: Try the command kbuildsycoca
[04:45] <eilker2> no sense here, i mean in console
[04:45] <jhutchins> rustin: If that fails, try the command kicker
[04:46] <intelikey> eilker2 yes left-alt+f#  is tty1-12  right-alt+f# is tty13-24      and you wont notice right-alt+f# doing anything unless you have a console active in the 13-24 range and use the coresponding f#
[04:46] <rustin> jhutchins: i disabled the taskbar
[04:46] <jhutchins> rustin: If THAT fails, and nobody comes up with something better, ask in #kde or log out and back in.
[04:46] <rustin> trying kbuild...
[04:46] <eilker2> intellikey: it works till f7 here
[04:46] <jhutchins> rustin: Oh.  Try right click, desktop configuration, see if you find it there (again, #kde might know better).
[04:47] <zerothis> mine stops at F& too
[04:47] <jhutchins> rustin: I'm just chukin' rocks at it, sorry.
[04:47] <rustin> jhutchins: no problem ;) thanks for your help
[04:48] <jhutchins> zerothis: Look for documentation on bash - that's the default "shell" or scripting language for Linux.  I think Ubuntu uses something odd, but bash is available and bash scripts will work.
[04:48] <intelikey> that's why i said  openvt -fsc 24    so tty24 would be active.   but as i also said  you can use the dirrectional keys "the arrow keys"   left-alt+<-   left-alt+->   to step up and down ttys
[04:48] <soulrider> i think ubuntu uses dash
[04:48] <jhutchins> zerothis:  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html may be helpful
[04:49] <intelikey> soulrider edgy defaulted to dash as it's /bin/sh  yes.  dapper defaulted to bash
[04:49] <jhutchins> intelikey: In standard Linux you can configure the number of TTY's to respawn in /etc/inittab, is that not true in kubuntu?
[04:50] <intelikey> jhutchins yes
[04:50] <zerothis> i have edgy
[04:50] <jhutchins> zerothis: dash is MOSTLY like bash.
[04:50] <intelikey> jhutchins well up to the use of "upstart"   i'm not fameliar with it.
[04:50] <eilker2> intellikey: thanx
[04:50] <jhutchins> zerothis: bash IS the industry standard, ubuntu just likes to be different.
[04:51] <jhutchins> zerothis: You will find that bash scripting makes a lot of sense if you know DOS Batch scripting.
[04:51] <jhutchins> eilker2: Which forset?
[04:51] <jhutchins> forest?
[04:52] <eilker2> a forest in my city :)
[04:52] <zerothis> ya ubuntu is different, i already fix the DVD, WMV, wine related differences. although mp3 only play as static
[04:52] <intelikey> eilker2 drop this in a console.#   Q=8 ;until [ $Q = 63 ]  ;do openvt ;Q=$(($Q+1)) ;done
[04:52] <jhutchins> eilker2: Which obviously leads to "Which city is that", but is less efficient.
[04:52] <intelikey> then play with your right/left-alt+  keys
[04:52] <eilker2>  :))) antioch here
[04:52] <milardovich> scuse me, i need to all of you go to www.milardovich.com.ar for some test with my cherokee server, thanks
[04:53] <jhutchins> eilker2: Cool. I shall make a list of antiochs and search googleearth for woods that might be considered forests.
[04:53] <darx> greetings
[04:53] <intelikey> cherokee server ?
[04:53] <zerothis> i saw the first line of a shell script "#! /bin/sh -e" , didn't look look like dos
[04:53] <intelikey> not an apache server ?
[04:54] <darx> what is the best option to play all multimedia content?
[04:54] <intelikey> zerothis no but in essence they work the same way.    oh and there is no "goto" in bash
[04:54] <milardovich> intelikey yep
[04:54] <jhutchins> milardovich: Automatic language selection isn't working, otherwise...
[04:55] <zerothis> that's fine, i always pretended the was no goto in dos anyway
[04:55] <SubOne> I can't use the hostname of my other computer to connect to it from this computer, only it's internal IP. any idea what could cause this problem?
[04:55] <jhutchins> zerothis: That is called a "magic number", and what it does is tell the system to use /bin/sh -e to run the rest of the script.  Aka "hashbang", says what the language is.
[04:55] <intelikey> well in that case i'll just drop in on the fellow tribsman
[04:56] <jhutchins> zerothis: Could also be #! /bin/bash.
[04:56] <sonoftheclayr> darx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:56] <jhutchins> zerothis: sh is more universal than bash.  Bash performs as sh when called as sh.
[04:56] <intelikey> milardovich it dont do my lango.
[04:57] <jhutchins> SubOne: You have not correctly configured either your DNS server or your hosts file.
[04:57] <milardovich> intelikey im argentine :P
[04:57] <SubOne> well the IPs are DHCP acquired so would the host file matter?
[04:57] <jhutchins> SubOne: Yes.
[04:57] <SubOne> so how do i setup the hosts file with DHCP then?
[04:58] <jhutchins> If the DHCP server doesn't know a DNS server that knows the IP's, you would need /etc/hosts.
[04:58] <intelikey> milardovich yes, just that websites normally do multi-lang
[04:58] <SubOne> i have to add a host to every computer each time i add a new computer?
[04:58] <RoyB72> anyone knows why I get "Error opening/initializing the selected video-out(vo) device" error, and what I can do about it?
[04:58] <intelikey> milardovich so what did you need just  a load test ?
[04:59] <SubOne> jhutchins: I use comcast internet, how do i setup the DNS, using their DNS servers or my router somehow?
[04:59] <jhutchins> SubOne: That or set up a DNS server that the DHCP server will talk to.  Or possibly a DHCP server that will work in conjunction with your DHCP server.
[04:59] <jhutchins> Er. DNS server.
[04:59] <milardovich> intelikey yeah
[04:59] <milardovich> intelikey, in the "fotolog" block, please click on "slideshow", and tell me if it works ;)
[05:00] <eilker2> i tried for it intellikey
[05:00] <intelikey> can't do that atm.
[05:00] <jhutchins> SubOne: They won't tell you the hostnames for your internal computers.  You can assume that the IP's won't change and add them to a hosts file on each PC, or set up a DNS server on one of the linux boxes and tell it the hostnames.
[05:00] <eilker2> i did sth, but i dont know
[05:00] <jhutchins> SubOne: If you have a lot of IP's and need this to work you may need to talk to comcast.
[05:00] <eilker2> no w need to go, take care people
[05:00] <eilker2> see you
[05:00] <SubOne> well the linksys router doesnt even get the hostnames for some reason
[05:01] <jhutchins> milardovich: There is a mechanism to select the correct language for each user, but of course you must first have each page in each language.
[05:01] <Skuller> i could not get my nvidia drivers that i downloaded form the nvidia site to install
[05:01] <Skuller> any tips
[05:01] <Skuller> ?
[05:01] <raw-knee> I have just reinstalled kubuntu feisty beta. how do I retrieve my gpg keys from a keyserver and use it to sign my messages?
[05:01] <jhutchins> SubOne: Right. Nobody gets hostnames unless you tell them.
[05:01] <SubOne> so if i setup a DNS server on one of the computers then i set the "Static DNS" on the router to point to that computer and set it to static ip?
[05:02] <jhutchins> SubOne: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html
[05:02] <intelikey> jhutchins isn't there also a generic "translator" of some kind ?
[05:02] <SubOne> jhutchins: because i know at least two of the computers on the network are wireless and i dont want them to be static ips yet i want them to be able to be accessed by hostname
[05:02] <jhutchins> SubOne: Is comcast assigning the IP's, or is the router assigning them?
[05:02] <SubOne> the router
[05:02] <raw-knee> I want to avoid creating another set of keys as much as possible
[05:02] <intelikey> so you don't have to have 82 copies of each page jhutchins
[05:03] <jhutchins> intelikey: There's babelfish, but if you're running a website you either link to babelfish or provide the translations as seperate pages.
[05:03] <SubOne> technically comcast doesnt allow multiple pcs connecting to the internet through a router through their home service
[05:03] <jhutchins> SubOne: Then you must learn to do Dynamic DNS.
[05:03] <intelikey> k babelfish is what i was thinking of
[05:03] <jhutchins> SubOne: THen the router should offer a DNS.
[05:03] <SubOne> why dynamic DNS? i only need them accessible from inside the network
[05:04] <jhutchins> SubOne: Right, 90% of us run a home network with something like this.
[05:04] <jhutchins> SubOne: Here's how you would do it if you had a linux box being the router:  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[05:04] <intelikey> i'm 10%   :)
[05:04] <jhutchins> SubOne: MOST appliance routers will do most of that now.
[05:04] <SubOne> and if not? isnt there a way i can just give the ok for linux to give the router the hostname?
[05:05] <jhutchins> intelikey: Ok, I probably exagerate for the percentage that are single-computer, but you will eventually catch the bug.
[05:05] <intelikey> jhutchins you mean get the hardware...
[05:05] <jhutchins> SubOne: If the router assigns the IP, it must connect the IP with the hostname, or you must do that for it.
[05:06] <jhutchins> intelikey: You will acquire a spare computer.  A girlfriend/boyfriend/talking dog will move in, and want their own computer.  It will happen.
[05:06] <Skuller> can any one please help me instal the nvidia drivers that i downloaded from nvidia site?
[05:06] <SubOne> right i would think. however the dhcp client table doesnt show any hostnames just ips
[05:06] <jamescfr> subone: www.smoothwall.org if you have an old machine lying around
[05:06] <SubOne> only hostname being shown is a windows box
[05:06] <jhutchins> SubOne: Right.
[05:06] <xena_> #kubuntu
[05:06] <SubOne> why is that
[05:06] <jhutchins> SubOne: This is where it starts getting interesting.
[05:06] <SubOne> ok
[05:07] <xena_> how to update packages in kubuntu
[05:07] <intelikey> jhutchins ummmm i have 9 working boxes atm.   just nothing to do with networking...
[05:07] <SubOne> id rather my router do the work but it doesnt seem to be getting the liux hostnames
[05:07] <Kevlar> Wit
[05:07] <Kevlar> Wit Wit
[05:07] <jhutchins> SubOne: the DHCP server _can_ supply hostnames.  It _can_ associate a certain MAC with a certain hostname, and allways give it the same IP.
[05:07] <jhutchins> It can inform a DNS server "I've just given this IP to that hostname".
[05:07] <xena_> #kubuntu
[05:08] <xena_> # kubuntu
[05:08] <Skuller> xena_: ?
[05:08] <raw-knee> Skuller: you using Edgy?
[05:08] <jhutchins> SubOne: What I do is run a Linux box that does DHCP for the net.  It locks the IP to a certain MAC.  I then run a DNS server on the same box, which has those locked IP's assigned to hostnames.
[05:08] <Skuller> raw-knee: yes
[05:08] <eagles0513875> what mp3 encoders do i need to download as well as m4a and wma decoders
[05:08] <mervteck> hey everyone
[05:09] <intelikey> mp3 encoder ?   why ?
[05:09] <DaSkreech> xena_: What are you trying to do?
[05:09] <SubOne> So then is my LinkSys router only able to do this for windows boxes?
[05:09] <jhutchins> SubOne: The DNS server knows to ask outside servers for outside DNS lookups.
[05:09] <DaSkreech> !lame
[05:09] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[05:09] <raw-knee> Skuller: use apt-get
[05:09] <intelikey> !freeformats
[05:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:09] <eagles0513875> using sound konverter to convert all my audio into high quality mp3
[05:09] <jhutchins> the DHCP server tells all the workstations, "Hey, I'm the DNS server too".
[05:09] <eagles0513875> 32bitrate
[05:09] <eagles0513875> 320bitrate
[05:09] <SubOne> jhutchins: So then is my LinkSys router only able to do this for windows boxes?
[05:10] <raw-knee> Skuller: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:10] <Skuller> raw-knee: the repos dont have the latest version, i downloaded those from the site and i need help in installing then
[05:10] <ben__> is there a shoutcast server for ubuntu
[05:10] <jhutchins> SubOne: Windows boxes do this by scatering an incredible ammount of traffic on the local net arguing about which box is boss and knows everything.
[05:10] <eagles0513875> what bout m4a and wma decoders
[05:10] <SubOne> jhutchins: ic
[05:10] <jhutchins> SubOne: samba will let your linux boxes play the same game.
[05:10] <raw-knee> Skuller i see
[05:10] <Skuller> raw-knee: ok never mind, i am sick of trying to install them. i will just go for the repo ones
[05:10] <SubOne> jhutchins: so then there is no way to do this with my linksys router unless i flash it with linux?
[05:10] <Skuller> thanks
[05:11] <jhutchins> SubOne: I think it's more fun to play home sysadmin and build your own DHCP and DNS servers, and then turn off the DHCP on the Linksys, but see if the Linksys will do local DNS.
[05:11] <jhutchins> afk, sorry.
[05:11] <xena_1> #kubuntu
[05:11] <DaSkreech> !info apt-rdepends | intelikey Is this it?
[05:11] <ubotu> intelikey is this it?: apt-rdepends: Recursively lists package dependencies. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.0-1 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 92 kB
[05:11] <xena_1> how to update packages in kubuntu
[05:12] <intelikey> no
[05:12] <intelikey> DaSkreech apt-cache rdepends <packagename>
[05:12] <jhutchins> SubOne: Have a look at  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ - you can pick and choose from it, run the servers on one of your workstations.
[05:12] <DaSkreech> ???
[05:12] <intelikey> told you that an hour ago
[05:12] <pollyo> How do I kill a program that I ran as root?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> pollyo: Sudo kill
[05:12] <SubOne> jhutchins: again thanks for the info but i'd rather not use another pc for the task
[05:12] <jhutchins> pollyo: As root.
[05:13] <intelikey> sudo killall appname
[05:13] <DaSkreech> xena_1: press alt+space
[05:13] <jhutchins> SubOne: You can run the servers in the background, it's not much load for a small net.
[05:13] <DaSkreech> xena_1: type adept
[05:13] <SubOne> Only issue is the only computer I have that's always here/on is on wireless as well
[05:13] <DaSkreech> xena_1: press enter
[05:13] <SubOne> and sometimes it can be sketchy
[05:13] <jhutchins> SubOne: Well now, that would be interesting...
[05:14] <SubOne> I'm thinking I'm best off just attempting to install OpenWRT
[05:14] <jhutchins> SubOne: Again, if the Linksys does DHCP, it might also do DNS, dig around a bit, make sure it's the latest firmware.
[05:14] <SubOne> k
[05:14] <jhutchins> Otherwise, I'm pretty sure it can lock the IP's to MAC's, then you can just set up hosts files on each PC.
[05:15] <SubOne> thanks for your help ima dig around
[05:18] <intelikey> urpme "^gtk*" "^qt*"
[05:19] <intelikey> oh left over mandrake command...   apt-get remove "^gtk*" "^qt*"    would be the *buntu way
[05:27] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Songbird
[05:30] <intelikey> Songbird ?
[05:30] <intelikey> that whats depending on it ?
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Yup
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Skuller: Dood!
[05:33] <Skuller> DaSkreech: dood!sup?
[05:33] <DaSkreech> How goes?
[05:33] <Skuller> crap as usual :)
[05:33] <Skuller> yours?
[05:33] <intelikey> sos
[05:36] <intelikey> hmmm i have a cherokee server now...
[05:37] <intelikey> had an apache one...
[05:38] <intelikey> does anyone know why cli apps with not x interface show up in the menu ?
[05:39] <intelikey> bc dc nano bash  ...   ?
[05:41] <NightBird> hm... there's an update that's relevant..
[05:42] <intelikey> NightBird you might ask in the +1 channel
[05:42] <intelikey> !feisty | NightBird
[05:42] <ubotu> NightBird: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[05:43] <djkings> Hey, I have a question that troubles me for a long time. When I copy some text from within emacs, and paste it immediately to other applications, the result is wrong, since the text I copied from emacs isn't located at the first place in clipboard. Why?
[05:43] <Skuller> hey guys, my nvidia driver n the kernel mismatch...the kernel version is a newer version than the nvidia driver, i got it from another repo...how do i revert to the official one?
[05:44] <Skuller> !away | f0ntsix^afk
[05:44] <ubotu> f0ntsix^afk: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[05:46] <jhutchins> There's a !guidelines?
[05:46] <jhutchins> Skuller: All I know is in !nvidia
[05:47] <Skuller> jhutchins: ok..thanks
[05:48] <jhutchins> NightBird: Yeah, everybody is having problems with the propietary vs. native drivers for ATI and Nvidia, especially if they run beryl/compiz/xgl.
[05:51] <firecrotch> Anyone with any knowledge about mailservers?
[05:52] <tmbg_> there are like 800 people here. just ask the question
[05:52] <tmbg_> if someone knows and is around they'll pipe up
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Skuller: Where did you get the driver from?
[05:53] <Skuller> DaSkreech: http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/edgy/latest/32bit/
[05:53] <jeanmass> hello
[05:53] <Skuller> DaSkreech: deb http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/edgy/latest/32bit/binary
[05:53] <jeanmass> what is the command to find the path for a program?
[05:53] <firecrotch> I'm running a Ubuntu server, and I can't receive email, even though I have MX records in my DNS pointing to my server's IP address.  I can send mail just fine.
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Skuller: what's the apt-cache policy on it?
[05:54] <tmbg_> jeanmass,  whereis
[05:54] <Skuller> DaSkreech: umm?
[05:54] <DaSkreech> jeanmass: which program
[05:54] <firecrotch> and yes, I know there is #ubuntu-server but they are slow as hell
[05:54] <jeanmass> whereis that is what iwas looking for
[05:54] <jeanmass> thanx
[05:54] <Skuller> Ubugtu: lart firecrotch
[05:54] <jeanmass> i just wanted to set kaffeine as my player for amule
[05:55] <Skuller> firecrotch: hey man..too bad lart doesnt work here :P
[05:55] <jeanmass> tmbg_: where is gives me several paths
[05:55] <jeanmass> which one is correct for kaffeine?
[05:56] <firecrotch> @lart Skuller
[05:56] <jeanmass>  /usr/bin.kaffeine?
[05:56] <jeanmass> sorry /usr/bin/kaffeine?
[05:56] <Skuller> firecrotch: :D
[05:57] <DaSkreech> jeanmass: sure
[05:57] <jeanmass> thanx DaSkreech
[05:57] <jeanmass> it works
[06:00] <jeanmass> i have a question about kopete
[06:01] <jeanmass> are conversations logged?
[06:01] <soulrider> jeanmass: i think so, not too sure
[06:01] <soulrider> !logs
[06:01] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[06:01] <soulrider> yes :P
[06:02] <jeanmass> where are they logged?
[06:02] <soulrider> read up ^^
[06:02] <jeanmass> i am speakint about Kopete not Konversation
[06:02] <tmbg_> ruh roh. I should stop talking about where I store my pr0nz then if it's all logged
[06:03] <soulrider> jeanmass: i think lagging is managed through a plugin, you might wanna check those
[06:03] <DaSkreech> jeanmass: turn on the history plugin
[06:04] <Assimilator> i've got about 3 years worth of irc logs in my client enough to put me away for years
[06:05] <jeanmass> is it installed by default?
[06:05] <darx> wireless works via command line but knetworkmanager doesn't work
[06:06] <darx> why may that be ?:-(
[06:07] <soulrider> jeanmass: yes
[06:07] <Assimilator> knetworkmanager is buggy and has congigs thats seperate from the normal network manager found in system settings
[06:07] <DaSkreech> jeanmass: yes
[06:09] <darx> Assimilator: now that is a reassuring thought :)
[06:09] <jeanmass> thank you guys
[06:09] <jeanmass> bye
[06:09] <Assimilator> heheh
[06:09] <Assimilator> configs that is
[06:10] <DaSkreech> bye
[06:10] <Assimilator> i've got my wireless going but this is my second install of kubuntu 7.04 beta
[06:11] <Assimilator> the last install I did a full 400meg adept upgrade and I lost the wireless bars on the taskbar but the wireless was still working
[06:11] <darx> it works but i've to manually restart ra0
[06:12] <Skuller> !nvidia
[06:12] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:12] <Assimilator> i'm having trobble getting java plugin to work for firefox
[06:13] <darx> oh well.. i'll have to wait for my wife to join the fun then..
[06:13] <darx> at least feisty is much better than what edgy was
[06:14] <Assimilator> it's installed finaly but when i load websites with embedded java boxes the boxes just hang and never load
[06:14] <darx> i haven't installed java yet
[06:14] <comlag> hi
[06:14] <comlag> any of u guys have cedega?
[06:15] <intelikey> module_loader.c/378: ERROR: Can't open "admin" module
[06:15] <intelikey> module_loader.c/226: ERROR: dlopen(/usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_admin.so): /usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_admin.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
[06:16] <intelikey> directory
[06:16] <Minataku> Heya, genii :3
[06:16] <genii> Minataku Hi :)
[06:16] <Minataku> Missed you the past couple of nights because I was sleeping X3
[06:17] <intelikey> genii get coffee
[06:17] <genii> Minataku I've been sleepin at day up at night lately  LOL
[06:17] <intelikey> :)
[06:17] <Minataku> lol
[06:17] <intelikey> will it float a horse shoe ?
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[06:18] <intelikey> strong coffee if it will float a horse shoe
[06:18] <Hirvinen> !away > voidmage
[06:18] <genii> It'll dissolve a mere horseshoe
[06:19] <LeeJunFan> na, it'll temper it.
[06:19] <intelikey> looks like genii doesn't either
[06:19] <voidmage> Hirvinen: i got disconnected, this was my backup nick apparently
[06:19] <genii> :)
[06:20] <intelikey> so howto fix this error message ?
[06:20] <intelikey> module_loader.c/226: ERROR: dlopen(/usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_admin.so): /usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_admin.so: cannot open shared object file:
[06:21] <intelikey> there's everything but admin in there...
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: check packages.ubuntu.com and see if you can locate which package might have that ? Or it's a broken package.
[06:22] <intelikey> LeeJunFan mm k
[06:23] <genii> might be wrong default path. eg: file actually exists but not in that dir
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: or is it something you compiled yourself?
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> I searched for libplugin_admin.so and no packages found in edgy or feisty having that file, but if it's a symlink it prob won't show up.
[06:24] <intelikey> LeeJunFan no it's a apt-get
[06:24] <intelikey> dapper
[06:24] <intelikey> why would the default configs ferferance a module that doesn't exist ?
[06:25] <intelikey> ferfer ?
[06:25] <genii> What is the cherokee parent package/program?
[06:25] <intelikey> cherokee
[06:25] <NightBird> question... do I want the generic kernel, or the 386 kernel?
[06:25] <intelikey> generic NightBird
[06:26] <NightBird> ok
[06:26] <family> is their away to have kicker/kdesktop to use viewports instread of desktops?
[06:26] <genii> intelikey Just like it better than apache or something? LOL
[06:26] <Skuller> can someone tell me how do i check which kernel version i have of 11-386 or 11-generic?
[06:26] <intelikey> genii only heard of it today  thought i'd give a look...
[06:27] <intelikey> genii it's a tribal thing.
[06:27] <DaSkreech> uname -r
[06:27] <genii> heh
[06:27] <mzanfardino> looking for a simple command line app to burn an iso to cd.
[06:27] <DaSkreech> cdrecord
[06:27] <genii> cdrecord
[06:27] <mzanfardino> viele danke
[06:27] <Skuller> DaSkreech: thanks
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Sure
[06:27] <DaSkreech> you left #ps3dev?
[06:28] <intelikey> xcdroast  and use the script from the cli  hehhe i've done that for burning cds
[06:28] <intelikey> cdw is good
[06:28] <intelikey> cdrecord is the standard.
[06:29] <DaSkreech> xcdroast does indicate it uses X
[06:30] <mzanfardino> I'm reading the man page, but I'm just looking for a quick and dirty command to burn an ISO to my /dev/scd0
[06:30] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes  but like i said it has scripts that do the actual work.
[06:31] <DaSkreech> mzanfardino: cdrecord
[06:32] <intelikey> maybe the admin module is in the client package ???
[06:33] <mzanfardino> yeah, I guess I'm saying I'm too lazy to look up the syntax... :)
[06:33] <drew_> hello
[06:34] <intelikey> using xcdroast from the cli
[06:34] <DaSkreech> Cool
[06:34] <DaSkreech> mzanfardino: tough
[06:34] <drew_> how do you compile a .sh?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> with ./
[06:34] <drew_> im new
[06:35] <intelikey> compile a shell script ?
[06:35] <drew_> yes
[06:35] <DaSkreech> drew_: It's interpreted
[06:35] <DaSkreech> That's why it's a sript
[06:35] <DaSkreech> script
[06:35] <intelikey> never seen that done....
[06:35] <DaSkreech> it doesn't need to be compiled
[06:35] <genii> mzanfardino There are some examples here: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialCDBurn.html that will show you how to use the output of cdrecord -scanbus  into a commandline cdrecord line to burn an iso
[06:37] <intelikey> genii glad you mentioned that. DaSkreech that dev= is static you would have to adjust that accordingly.   i didn't write that to be portable
[06:37] <mzanfardino> genii: thank you! I'm just feeling really lazy tonight...
[06:37] <intelikey> i could..   mainly just showing how one can use the gui tool from the cli to do the un-possable
[06:37] <Minataku> Heh
[06:38] <Minataku> Here's mine
[06:38] <Minataku> sudo cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc -dao -v filename.iso
[06:38] <Minataku> I cut out application-specific options I usually use
[06:39] <genii> I found recently a .c wrapper for bash shells which I found interesting. It doesn't really compile them as such  but rather links em in so ppl can't read your scripts
[06:39] <Minataku> Though you shouldn't be using cdrecord anymore
[06:39] <Minataku> lol
[06:39] <me2win> !wmv
[06:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Why not?
[06:40] <Minataku> Because Schily changed it to a nonfree license
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Seriously?
[06:40] <Minataku> Yeah
[06:40] <DaSkreech>  Where's the fork?
[06:40] <Minataku> cdrtools
[06:40] <drew_> does any one know of a lichtcribe prgm?
[06:40] <drew_> ightscribe*
[06:41] <Minataku> Yeah, when he added DVD burning support to it it was limited to, like, 1GB or something
[06:41] <intelikey> no cdrtools in dapper...
[06:41] <Minataku> !cdrecord
[06:41] <ubotu> cdrecord: command line CD writing tool. In component main, is optional. Version 4:2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 567 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[06:41] <intelikey> so my version is still free.
[06:41] <Minataku> Hm
[06:41] <Minataku> !cdrtools
[06:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrtools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <Minataku> !cdrwtools
[06:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrwtools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <Minataku> Bah
[06:42] <Minataku> No snack for you
[06:42] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Minataku: You have a link for the new license?
[06:42] <Minataku> It'll burn CD-Rs just fine, but it's crippleware for DVDs
[06:43] <intelikey> cdrtools-doc - Documentation for the cdrtools package-suite
[06:43] <intelikey> but not any package  cdrtools  ???
[06:43] <Minataku> Hm
[06:43] <Minataku> Supposedly it's CDDL
[06:43] <intelikey> odd as chicken lips
[06:43] <drew_> k, i got that script as a file now, what do i run it with?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> What?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Link!
[06:44] <Minataku> Hm... he must have changed his mind, perhaps
[06:44] <mzanfardino> genii: that link really did the trick.  I figured there was a pretty straight-forward command I could use.  Thank you.
[06:45] <drew_> a shell
[06:45] <Minataku> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/cdrecord.html
[06:45] <intelikey> Minataku that must have been after dapper released ?
[06:45] <intelikey> oh you changing the story now ?
[06:45] <genii> mzanfardino: np
[06:46] <Minataku> Hm
[06:46] <Minataku> I don't know what's going on with it
[06:46] <Minataku> lol
[06:46] <DaSkreech> cdrecord!!! :)
[06:47] <eduard> hello guys, is here anybody who did upgrade to 7.04 kubuntu?
[06:47] <intelikey> C D recond !
[06:47] <intelikey> C D recond !
[06:47] <Minataku> I do know at least that Schily is an ass
[06:48] <firecrotch> I have postfix, courier, and squirrelmail installed on my server, and I can't receive emails.  I can send email just fine though
[06:48] <intelikey> well if that was reason enough to never use software we'd all be trashing the boxes on our desk.
[06:48] <eduard> i have a question - how can i enable upgrade button in Adept manager?
[06:49] <drew_> what version KDE is dapper?
[06:49] <LeeJunFan> firecrotch: /var/log/mail.info might have some useful info.
[06:49] <Minataku> intelikey: Well, he also claims Linux is "broken" and I have had issues with cdrecord before
[06:49] <Minataku> It seems he doesn't like how Linux does things and refuses to abide by them
[06:49] <firecrotch> LeeJunFan:  Thanks, I'll take a look at it
[06:50] <intelikey> Minataku :)
[06:51] <eduard> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade - there is description of how to do it, but i cant start upgrade without downloading  newCD
[06:51] <DaSkreech> eduard: sorry?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Ahh
[06:51] <intelikey> Q what is the name of the symlink that you place in your ~/ to point to /var/www/   ?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> follow that page :-)
[06:51] <eduard> DaSkreech i did, did you?
[06:51] <firecrotch> LeeJunFan: Looks like Postfix is bouncing them
[06:51] <DaSkreech> eduard: did you fetch updates?
[06:52] <intelikey> so anyone know what dir apache looks for in your home dir ?
[06:53] <intelikey> firefox 127.0.0.1 what does it look for ?
[06:53] <firecrotch> intelikey: it should be /var/www
[06:53] <eduard> DaSkreech - i add: deb - http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356-i386/  - edgy-proposed  - main  < is it correct?>
[06:53] <d_> hey ny1 has serial key for win 2000?
[06:53] <DaSkreech> with those dashes?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> d_: No go buy it
[06:54] <intelikey> firecrotch well it's in ~/  but there is a dir missing and i'm getting                                  404 Not Found
[06:54] <intelikey>    The requested URL / was not found on this server.
[06:54] <intelikey> i can do goto .  and it's my home dir.
[06:54] <genii_> bah disconnected
[06:54] <Minataku> d_: Try this one Y0U4R-4N1D1-07F0R-45K1N-GH3R3
[06:54] <DaSkreech> eduard: with those dashes
[06:54] <d_> ty
[06:54] <eduard> DaSkreech  I mean - i add this to Repositoy
[06:55] <DaSkreech> you have - edgy-prosed
[06:55] <Minataku> Note that's totally fake and actually spells something out
[06:55] <DaSkreech> do you have the -
[06:55] <eduard> DaSkreech dashes - my comments
[06:55] <firecrotch> intelikey: take a look at /var/log/apache2/error.log
[06:55] <Minataku> See if you can decode it :D
[06:55] <DaSkreech> eduard: ah ok
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Well no it's not right in any case
[06:55] <Minataku> It's fun for the whole family :3
[06:55] <intelikey> firecrotch good idea
[06:55] <DaSkreech> edgy-propsed main shouldn't be there
[06:55] <Minataku> Though I'll eat my hat if it ends up being valid
[06:56] <genii> !info kdelibs dapper | drew_
[06:56] <ubotu> drew_: kdelibs: core libraries from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.2 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 88 kB
[06:56] <DaSkreech> it should be ./
[06:56] <eduard> DaSkreech jast : "deb" and then "link".? where should be ./? in which colomn ?
[06:56] <syke> hi
[06:57] <syke> I just tried the edgy->feisty upgrade
[06:57] <DaSkreech>  third
[06:57] <eduard> ok
[06:57] <DaSkreech> you have kde 3.5.6 ?
[06:57] <syke> the upgrader kept crashing (filed a bug), so I ended up doing a dist-upgrade a couple of times
[06:57] <sproingie> i just did it.  pretty seamless
[06:57] <syke> everything is finally installed, but now X won't start
[06:57] <syke> it claims it can't find any devices
[06:58] <syke> the ATI X driver says the same thing
[06:58] <syke> this was obviously working before the upgrade, so now I'm stuck with a tty
[06:58] <eduard> DaSkrech yes i suppose
[06:58] <syke> any ideas? is this a known issue?
[06:59] <eduard> DaSkreech   i have Edgy
[06:59] <genii> DaSkreech: I think I have whatever came with herd5
[06:59] <DaSkreech> eduard: Umm ok
[06:59] <syke> there's no more broken packages and update/dist-upgrade has nothing more to install
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Are you in konversation now?
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Help -> about KDE
[06:59] <eduard> so guys your advice - shall we install this new upgrade?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Tell me which version you are running
[07:01] <genii> I've got 3.5.6 on Feisty but since I mainly use the xfce haven't tortre tested it or anything ( I have all 3 WM installed, gnome, kde and xfce)
[07:01] <eduard> DaSkreech me?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> eduard: yes you :)
[07:01] <eduard> DaSkreech ah,sorryy
[07:02] <eduard> DaSkreech 6.10
[07:02] <genii> DaSkreech: LOL misunderstanding
[07:02] <Minataku> Hm... he hasn't come back, so either he was joking or the key I completely made up worked
[07:02] <DaSkreech> eduard: are you in konversation?
[07:02] <eduard> DaSkreech with you
[07:02] <intelikey> ok i'll change to/from   apache   apache2   cherokee   what ever...   if i can't get local webpages working then i'll rm them all
[07:02] <DaSkreech> genii: :)
[07:02] <DaSkreech> eduard: help -> About KDE
[07:02] <genii> Minataku: Likely he's trying to find some keygen someplace LOL
[07:03] <Minataku> lol
[07:03] <Minataku> genii: Did you see the key I made up?
[07:03] <genii> Minataku: Yes, I did
[07:03] <eduard> DaSkreech3.5.5
[07:03] <Minataku> Heehee, I was happy it ended up coming out to 25
[07:03] <DaSkreech> eduard: Ok then you are using the wrong repo
[07:03] <Minataku> I wonder if he got it too, maybe that's why he hasn't come back XD
[07:04] <eduard> DaSkreech ups
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Don't use the second one
[07:04] <DaSkreech>  use the first one
[07:04] <Minataku> If you haven't looked closely, it spells out "YOURE AN IDIOT FOR ASKING HERE"
[07:04] <Minataku> XD
[07:04] <intelikey> Minataku wasn't 2000 using 6 digit code for it's keys ?
[07:04] <Minataku> I dunno
[07:04] <Freeza^> does anyone happen to be running a laptop or desktop with an ati x700 gpu in it? i cant seem to get fglrx working for the life of me and ive tried every different method that is on the forums so im guessing its my specific gpu thats giving me issues
[07:04] <Minataku> I thought all the recent ones were 5-5-5-5-5
[07:05] <Minataku> 5 Base 32 pentets
[07:05] <eduard> DaSkreech which one shall i use than?
[07:05] <Minataku> *Base 36
[07:05] <DaSkreech> The first on
[07:05] <billytwowilly> so is it fairly safe to upgrade to feisty?
[07:05] <Freeza^> i tried the feisty upgrade from edgy last time i reinstalled and it worked like a charm
[07:05] <crimsun> I've had pretty good experience with the Feisty beta
[07:06] <genii> Me too
[07:06] <firecrotch> billytwowilly: I'm doing good with Feisty :)
[07:06] <billytwowilly> k, I'm bored so I'm going to try it out;)
[07:06] <DaSkreech> eduard: you have adept open?
[07:06] <mallah> Hi, Does debian store "when" a package was installed in the system ?
[07:06] <Freeza^> i dont think it remembers dates
[07:07] <mallah> thats bad
[07:07] <intelikey> abandondon edgy and go feisty all
[07:07] <billytwowilly> when is feisty supposed to be released anyway?
[07:07] <eduard> DaSkreech - now yes
[07:07] <crimsun> mallah: sure, see the dpkg log
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> I've been running feisty for a long time now and I'd say it's been beta quality for a while.
[07:07] <mallah> cool
[07:08] <mallah> thanks crimsun
[07:08] <DaSkreech> eduard: go to manage repositories and enable edgy-proposed
[07:08] <intelikey> mallah the logfiles will have timestamps
[07:08] <genii> If you do a long listing of /var/cache/apt/archive it may have time stamps. Tho I can't remember if there the times are original file creation times or when they got put on your box
[07:08] <Minataku> genii: Did you have a chance to get a shipping quote for me?
[07:08] <eduard> DaSkreech i see that last one is 3.80.3 how can i get this one? is it stable?
[07:08] <intelikey> oh i lag...
[07:08] <eduard> DaSkreech KDE i mean
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> /var/log/dpkg.log
[07:08] <intelikey> ooops
[07:09] <DaSkreech> the last one?
[07:09] <DaSkreech> eduard: you don't want that one :)
[07:09] <DaSkreech>  but you can get one if you like
[07:09] <eduard> DaSkreech i don have there Edgy-proposed
[07:09] <eduard> DaSkreech why?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> It's the alpha of KDE$
[07:10] <eduard> DaSkreech - why would i dont want the last KDE ?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> KDE4
[07:10] <mallah> looks like grep "status install"  /var/log/dpkg.log   did the trick ,
[07:10] <intelikey> !commonsense | eduard
[07:10] <ubotu> eduard: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[07:10] <mallah> thanks guys
[07:11] <mallah> and GALS too :)
[07:11] <eduard> ubotu  is it not stable yet ?
[07:11] <syke> hi
[07:11] <syke> my X will not start after the upgrade -- the ATI driver says it can't find any screens
[07:11] <DaSkreech>  add deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed main to your sources
[07:12] <syke> has anyone else seen/heard of this major problem?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:12] <DaSkreech> syke: It's not that bad
[07:12] <syke> X won't start, so I can't use restricted-manager to try newer ATI drivers, even
[07:12] <DaSkreech> back up your X config and run the X configure
[07:13] <DaSkreech> eduard: It's not stable enough to use and it's not intereting yet
[07:13] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:13] <DaSkreech> eduard: this time next year you are going to be rolling in the hay with it though
[07:13] <syke> intelikey: I already did that
[07:13] <intelikey> then you set something "incorrectly"
[07:14] <eduard> rolling in the hay  - sorry for my english, i hope it is a good something :))
[07:14] <DaSkreech> eduard: yeah
[07:15] <eduard> well, i am using Linux just 1 week though
[07:16] <syke> intelikey: weird, I was using -phigh before
[07:16] <eduard> DaSkreech - ok, now i do full upgrade , fingers cross
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Yeah You really don't want to play with 3.80 then
[07:16] <syke> and it didn't work
[07:16] <syke> but it did this time
[07:16] <syke> thanks!!!
[07:16] <DaSkreech> eduard: You added the repo?
[07:16] <syke> I wonder why the hell it broke in the first place?
[07:17] <DaSkreech> It's only not human
[07:17] <intelikey> syke you want plow
[07:17] <eduard> DaSkreech - what i did: deb - "link"  - ./
[07:17] <DaSkreech> which link?
[07:18] <eduard> DaSkreech http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356-i386/
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Nooo
[07:18] <DaSkreech>  delete that :)
[07:18] <eduard> DaSkreech ups, what is wrong now :) ?
[07:19] <eduard> i delited
[07:19] <DaSkreech> eduard: that is if you have kde 3.5.6
[07:19] <DaSkreech>  you said you have 3.5.5 right?
[07:19] <nomad111> does anyone in this world know a good circuit analysis program
[07:19] <eduard> DaSkreech - ok, please help me to get this one
[07:19] <nomad111> ive been looking for one forever
[07:19] <nomad111> and i cant find one
[07:19] <nomad111> i want to shoot myself :(
[07:19] <DaSkreech> eduard: I'm trying. You have kde 3.5.5 right?
[07:19] <dwidmann> why not just click the link in the topic eduard? It has the link you need
[07:19] <DaSkreech> nomad111: Hmm good question
[07:19] <dwidmann> I think
[07:19] <eduard> DaSkreech currently yes, thanks
[07:20] <eduard> DaSkreech - yes 3.5.5
[07:20] <DaSkreech> eduard: ok now add something like deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed main
[07:20] <nomad111> DaSkreech: do you kno of pspice
[07:20] <DaSkreech> you can repalce gb with whatever is in your repos
[07:20] <DaSkreech> us or jp etc
[07:20] <DaSkreech> !pspice
[07:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pspice - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Nope :-)
[07:21] <nomad111> !spice
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spice - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:21] <DaSkreech> eduard: in the line at the bottom
[07:22] <intelikey> hmmm so you can have all the webservers installed at one time ?
[07:22] <eduard> DaSkreech why not at the top ? :)
[07:22] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :-)
[07:22] <DaSkreech> Ok fine
[07:22] <DaSkreech> whereever
[07:23] <DaSkreech> so it's deb
[07:23] <DaSkreech> link
[07:23] <eduard> no really?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> edgy-proposed main ?
[07:23] <eduard> yes
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Ok
[07:23] <eduard> what next?
[07:23] <eduard> fetch?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Click apply
[07:23] <DaSkreech> then close
[07:23] <DaSkreech> then fetch
[07:24] <eduard> then first open probably :)
[07:24] <bill_k> wish me luck! kubuntu dvd just finished (potential ubuntu switcher)
[07:24] <eduard> before fetch
[07:24] <intelikey>  /etc/rc2.d/   S20cherokee   S91apache   <<< will that conflict ?
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Open?
[07:24] <eduard> yes
[07:24] <eduard> it its closed
[07:24] <DaSkreech> bill_k: Luck
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[07:24] <intelikey> i'll just remove them both....
[07:25] <intelikey> no conflict in that.
[07:25] <bill_k> DaSkreech, thanks. i'm sure i'll see all you later :)
[07:25] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:25] <DaSkreech> eduard: when you fetch I think you should get a popup
[07:25] <eduard> DaSkreech now full upgrade?
[07:25] <eduard> i have it in the right conner
[07:25] <sstchur_> is there any real difference between installing kubuntu and installing ubuntu and then installing the kubuntu/kde packages?
[07:26] <DaSkreech> yes
[07:26] <DaSkreech> Apply changes
[07:26] <eduard> ok
[07:26] <intelikey> sstchur_ no  not a "real" differance.
[07:26] <eduard> 46 upgrades :)
[07:26] <DaSkreech> When that is done
[07:26] <DaSkreech> close adept
[07:27] <eduard> apply Updates?
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Might take a while :)
[07:27] <sstchur_> intelikey: any reason that I would chose one method over the other?
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Yes
[07:27] <intelikey> sstchur_ if you install ubuntu it installs  ubuntu-desktop and all it depends on  (gnome stuff)   if you install  kubuntu  it installs  kubuntu-desktop  and all it depends on (kde stuff)   from either you can add the other.
[07:28] <intelikey> sstchur_ below that level they are the same os.  ubuntu-base
[07:28] <sstchur_> intelikey: so if I plan to use mostly kde and kde apps, and maybe only a little gnome stuff, it'd be best to stick with kubuntu to start
[07:28] <Freeza^> yeah because you can install gnome apps in kde
[07:29] <eduard> DaSkreech ok, thanks it started to download, do you have any other usefull links i could add to repositories? I hav all by default still,
[07:29] <intelikey> sstchur_ like i said "6 of one and half a dozen of the other"
[07:29] <sstchur_> intelikey: okay, thanks
[07:29] <intelikey> sstchur_ np
[07:29] <DaSkreech> eduard: did you enable multiverse?
[07:29] <eduard> i did
[07:30] <eduard> i anable all i sow :)
[07:30] <eduard> enable*
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[07:30] <intelikey> sstchur_ obviously if you ask in here some will try to get you to stick with "kubuntu"  and if you ask in #ubuntu  some will do the opisite
[07:30] <DaSkreech> You may still not have enabled multiverse
[07:30] <intelikey> obviously
[07:30] <eduard> i am quit curious though, that is why i am here with you guys
[07:31] <DaSkreech> sstchur_: But really Kubuntu is better
[07:31] <ubuntu> Hi guys.  Could I get some help with Linux?
[07:31] <eduard> DaSkreech how then i should do it?
[07:31] <ubuntu> <[07:31] <DaSkreech> eduard: When the update is finished let me know
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Don't close adept like I said :)
[07:31] <eduard> ok, thanks
[07:31] <Skuller> !ask | ubuntu
[07:31] <ubotu> ubuntu: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:31] <eduard> i will
[07:31] <DaSkreech> !ask
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Doh!
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Drat you Skuller
[07:32] <DaSkreech> nomad111: no?
[07:32] <eduard> i thought ubuntuis bot
[07:32] <DaSkreech> No Live CD
[07:32] <Skuller> eduard: ubotu is, and also ubugtu
[07:32] <intelikey> ubotu
[07:33] <intelikey> ubotu botsnack
[07:33] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:33] <eduard> :)))
[07:33] <intelikey> ubotu help
[07:33] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:33] <intelikey> ubotu yourself
[07:33] <intelikey> ooops
[07:33] <eduard> wow hi is just amaising :)))
[07:33] <DaSkreech> nomad111: Just checking did you search adept?
[07:33] <Skuller> !ubotu | ubotu
[07:33] <ubotu> ubotu: please see above
[07:33] <DaSkreech> !windows
[07:33] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[07:34] <Minataku> ?
[07:34] <Skuller> lol
[07:34] <DaSkreech> :-D
[07:34] <Iwonder|too> lol
[07:34] <Skuller> i'll prefer the latter
[07:34] <eduard> ubotu - ho far is till the mars?
[07:34] <eduard> ubotu - how old are you?
[07:34] <Skuller> eduard: closer than your adjacent city
[07:34] <eduard> :)
[07:35] <PurdueBioGuy> I was running Edgy Eft on my SATA fine, then added an IDE drive to my system to install XP.  The addition caused problems somehow and I was unable install XP, so I removed it from my system. The BIOS settings are fine.  So, afterwards, kubuntu would no longer load because it could not find some files, so I reinstalled using the LiveCD, but now it cannot mount the drive (Error 17) no matter how many reinstalls and reformats I do.
[07:35] <Skuller> eduard: ubotu is still in the womb
[07:35] <eduard> Skuller - and what about you?
[07:35] <Skuller> eduard: i think i am out :)
[07:36] <PurdueBioGuy> Right now I'm IRCing via the LiveCD.
[07:36] <intelikey> PurdueBioGuy then the bios is not fine.
[07:36] <eduard> Skuller - i love technolgy of novodays !
[07:36] <PurdueBioGuy> Well, the settings have not been changed.
[07:36] <eduard> Skuller where are you located?
[07:37] <crackhead_25__> how do i reinstall flash, if i can't currently hear sound through the flash player which was default installed?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> hi xena___
[07:37] <Iwonder|too> PurdueBioGuy: can you mount/access said drive from livecd?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> !flash9
[07:37] <nomad111> DaSkreech: i found gEDA but its not as good as the spice simulator i had in windows
[07:37] <PurdueBioGuy> With just the addition of the IDE, the system was messed up.
[07:37] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[07:37] <DaSkreech> nomad111: you want spice?
[07:37] <Skuller> eduard: 17/m/fiji, u?
[07:37] <intelikey> grub error 17 is caused by grub not being able to read from the selected partition....    the installer will find the disk just fine cause it's not using bios to access it it's using linux   but grub has to use the bios because linux isn't loaded yet...
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Woah
[07:38] <eduard> Skuller Amsterdam, heared about this city?
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Havent seen a/s/l in a long time
[07:38] <PurdueBioGuy> I can see both of my SATA drives in system settings, but I'm unaware of how to mount it.
[07:38] <nomad111> DaSkreech: by definition spice is a simulator, which i want, and i want gui frontend that lets me draw a schematic and analyse it using spice
[07:39] <PurdueBioGuy> So it's my mobo, then?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> nomad111: Was it open source?
[07:39] <Iwonder|too> PurdueBioGuy: anyone, doesnt grub have to be appended to boot from sata?
[07:39] <nomad111> DaSkreech: well i dunno, i was trying to establish whether or not it is
[07:39] <PurdueBioGuy> appended?
[07:39] <Skuller> eduard: i may live in a stone age country but i aint from one, yes i have
[07:40] <crackhead_25__> anyone know why flash won't play sound with video files palying in my mozlla browser?
[07:40] <Iwonder|too> something added to the end od the kernel line
[07:40] <nomad111> DaSkreech: the program i used in windows was called pspice 9.1 if you look for screenshots for that u'll understand what im after
[07:40] <intelikey> there are at least four possable causes for error 17  1. /boot/grub/devices* incorrect   2. /boot/grub/menu.lst misconfigured  3. fs corruption   4. bios not feeding grub correct info to read from the disk/partition.   installing another hd "surely" changed the bios settings.   so i sujest you start there seeing that reinstalling would have corrected the other three.
[07:40] <Kyestban> I've updated to the beta, now kde vidmodes are wacked. Crazy low rate modes (51? 59?), and interlaced modes! None of this is in my xorg.conf... and it wasn't like that before the upgrade. Anyone know what might be going wrong?
[07:40] <intelikey> PurdueBioGuy ^
[07:40] <DaSkreech> nomad111: YOu can probably run it under wine
[07:41] <eduard> Skuller - dont be so smurt :))
[07:41] <PurdueBioGuy> So you suggest I default the BIOS settings?
[07:41] <eduard> Skuller smart i mean
[07:41] <DaSkreech> nomad111: Do you have adept?
[07:41] <intelikey> default... no.  default is nothing more than a starting point for configuring anything.
[07:42] <Skuller> eduard: i am not saying i am smart, i am just saying that my georgraphical skills arent as bad as you think
[07:42] <intelikey> i sujest you "correct" the bios issue
[07:42] <nomad111> DaSkreech: yes
[07:42] <nomad111> DaSkreech: i got wine
[07:42] <nomad111> DaSkreech: ill give it a shot
[07:42] <PurdueBioGuy> Alright, thanks guys.  I'll check it out and report back.
[07:42] <DaSkreech> nomad111: Do a search in adept for circuit
[07:42] <DaSkreech> I see one analyser
[07:42] <DaSkreech> :-(
[07:43] <nomad111> last time i checked they were all digital simulators
[07:43] <DaSkreech> xena__: Still here?
[07:43] <nomad111> i wanted analog
[07:43] <eduard> Skuller - ok, than tell me where is located city with name David-Gorodok? in which country at least ?
[07:43] <DaSkreech> !info gnucap
[07:43] <ubotu> gnucap: GNU Circuit Analysis package. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.34-5 (edgy), package size 859 kB, installed size 2464 kB
[07:43] <DaSkreech> nomad111: look at the details on that package
[07:44] <eduard> DaSkreech 85%...
[07:44] <intelikey> nomad111 there are some that do both digital and analog iirc
[07:44] <Assimilator> I've got a web site that when i click on a video stream it keeps asking for IE, media player and marcomedia flash. What apps/plugins do i need for firefox to load the stream ?
[07:45] <Skuller> eduard: you cannot really measure skills by asking mere questions of no significance, and no i dont know the answer for that, but whatever that is, i bet it is not more famous than Amsterdam
[07:45] <nomad111> intelikey: ive got gnucap which is a simulator (does not come with frontend) and oregano which is a crappy frontend to gnucap
[07:45] <eduard> Skuller you wrong, but i pleased though :))
[07:46] <DaSkreech> I read that as David goliath :-)
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Silly bible reader :)
[07:46] <eduard> no
[07:47] <Skuller> eduard: perhaps a crash course in english for you should me more worthy than asking a guy 'where is that?' questions
[07:47] <intelikey> nomad111 i read through the package discriptions one time.  more than a year ago.   but i do believe i recall several apps along that line.  i was amazed at the amount of software dedicated to that field.... search the database is all i can say.
[07:48] <eduard> Skuller cammon man i did tell you anything what could make you so upsat?
[07:49] <Kyestban> Using Beta, KDE's Monitor & Display has totally invalid values. Doesn't matter if I use nvidia or nv driver. Weird refresh rates and interlace!!! Am using same xorg.conf I've always used. Also tried disabling Composite extension. Can anyone help?
[07:49] <Skuller> eduard: ??
[07:50] <eduard> Skuller - oh, i thought you cant asking questions :)))
[07:50] <intelikey> Kyestban while you may well find help here this channel does not support beta *
[07:50] <Kyestban> Oh, I apologize then.
[07:50] <nomad111> intelikey: this dilemma is the reason i still use windows
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Kyestban: #ubuntu+1
[07:50] <Skuller> eduard: you know you make no sense at all to me
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Skuller: roll with it man :)
[07:50] <Jucato> !feisty | Kyestban
[07:50] <ubotu> Kyestban: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[07:51] <Skuller> DaSkreech: i thought so...sorry
[07:51] <DaSkreech> nomad111: Hope that Wine works out
[07:51] <Skuller> laterz all
[07:51] <DaSkreech>  gnucap supports spice or pspsice btw
[07:51] <intelikey> nomad111 what ever it takes, where ever it breaks.
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Skuller: gone?
[07:51] <drew_> how do you install .tar?
[07:51] <PurdueBioBoy> Hey guys.  Reseting the BIOS and fixing the boot priorities worked like a charm.
[07:51] <DaSkreech> drew_: install ubuntu
[07:51] <nomad111> DaSkreech: well i managed to install it with wine but everytime i run it, it immediately crashes
[07:51] <Skuller> DaSkreech: no but i am doing my HW for school on my comp table
[07:51] <PurdueBioBoy> You help is greatly appreciated.
[07:51] <DaSkreech> nomad111: With what error?
[07:52] <nomad111> DaSkreech: i didnt run from console
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Skuller: OK don't neglect that :)
[07:52] <PurdueBioBoy> Have a great night.
[07:52] <drew_> i have no idea how this command line stuff works
[07:52] <nomad111> DaSkreech: how do i run the program i installed from konsole
[07:52] <Iwonder|too> drew tar --help
[07:52] <DaSkreech> nomad111: wine /path/to/the/exe
[07:52] <intelikey> drew_ normally .tar is not for you.   what are you trying to do ?
[07:53] <drew_> install firefox, jahashaka, and Bproject
[07:53] <Jucato> er...
[07:53] <DaSkreech> !jahashaka
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jahashaka - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <drew_> i understand how it works i just need a bit of a walk thru
[07:54] <Jucato> drew_: , you can install firefox from the Package Manager
[07:54] <DaSkreech> !find jah
[07:54] <intelikey> !javashaka
[07:54] <nomad111> DaSkreech: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11958/
[07:54] <ubotu> Package/file jah does not exist in edgy
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about javashaka - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <Iwonder|too> drew_:  what is your goal?
[07:54] <ponchato> Hi everyone.  I'm running the live cd, and I was wondering how I can access my windows partition.  When I go to it in the file browser, it doens't say anything, and when I go up one level to /dev/ it has a little lock icon.
[07:55] <Iwonder|too> there may be an easier way to achieve it
[07:55] <drew_> i keep getting "cant talk with su" errors?
[07:55] <intelikey> Iwonder|too he asked something about shockwave streem i think  ^
[07:55] <DaSkreech> !ntfs
[07:55] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:55] <Iwonder|too> isn't there a firefox plugins package?
[07:55] <nomad111> DaSkreech: does that dump make sense
[07:55] <DaSkreech> ponchato: Oh wait
[07:56] <DaSkreech> nomad111: Looks like a D3d call
[07:56] <DaSkreech> ponchato: alt+F2 => kdesu konqueror
[07:56] <DaSkreech> ponchato: it should work after that
[07:56] <eduard> DaSkreech i am ready, close adept?
[07:56] <Jucato> DaSkreech: jahshaka http://www.jahshaka.org/ (a video editor)
[07:56] <intelikey> ponchato you never browse /dev/
[07:57] <DaSkreech> eduard: no
[07:57] <ponchato> sry, just /dev
[07:57] <intelikey> ponchato there is nothing there but device nodes
[07:57] <DaSkreech> go to manage repositores
[07:58] <DaSkreech> eduard: you should have a line like deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ universe
[07:58] <ponchato> when i type kdesu konquerer it says command not found
[07:58] <eduard> DaSkreech i am here, ok
[07:58] <intelikey> ponchato you mount the device on an empty dirrectry (mountpoint)   normally in /mnt or in /media   and then what ever is on the device is accessable in the mountpoint.
[07:58] <DaSkreech> click the word universe so you can edit it
[07:58] <DaSkreech> add the word multiverse after it
[07:58] <DaSkreech> it shoud look something like deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ universe multiverse
[07:59] <Iwonder|too> ponchato: have you checked mount? to make sure its not mounted allready?
[07:59] <drew_> ughhh i cant run package manager
[07:59] <ponchato> how do i check mount?
[07:59] <Iwonder|too> type mount
[07:59] <intelikey> ponchato it is possable to access a 'raw' device  but you don't want to. so don't be in /dev
[07:59] <drew_> you cant mount while running live cd tho
[07:59] <Iwonder|too> in console
[07:59] <eduard> DaSkreech - edgy?
[07:59] <drew_> no
[07:59] <drew_> dappe
[08:00] <drew_> r
[08:00] <ponchato> how do i get to console? alt+f2?
[08:00] <nomad111> DaSkreech: should i go ask elsewhere or do you know how to solve it
[08:00] <DaSkreech> nomad111: #winehq can't hurt
[08:00] <intelikey> drew_ i beg to differ   mount works in the live dapper CD
[08:00] <DaSkreech> eduard: umm yes edgy :)
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Sorry :)
[08:00] <eduard> DaSkreech - ok, done, than?
[08:00] <Iwonder|too> kmenu,system,konsole?
[08:00] <drew_> oh i couldent mount
[08:00] <DaSkreech> eduard: yup
[08:00] <DaSkreech> apply
[08:00] <DaSkreech> close
[08:00] <DaSkreech> quit adept
[08:00] <drew_> if i mount my widooze drive while i damage anything?
[08:01] <drew_> newb i know
[08:01] <DaSkreech> drew_: No
[08:01] <intelikey> drew_ sudo mount /dev/<devicenode> /media/
[08:01] <eduard> there was also edgy-updates that is why i asked
[08:01] <DaSkreech> I know
[08:01] <intelikey> drew_ you do have to use the correct name of the device node in that  ^
[08:01] <eduard> DaSkreech, than?
[08:01] <DaSkreech> you quit adept ?
[08:01] <eduard> yes
[08:01] <DaSkreech> alt+space
[08:02] <DaSkreech> type adept
[08:02] <DaSkreech> press enter
[08:02] <drew_> i cant run package manager
[08:02] <eduard> katapult?
[08:02] <drew_> i keep getting su errors
[08:02] <Iwonder|too> cool
[08:02] <DaSkreech> eduard: yes :)
 if i mount my widooze drive while i damage anything? << read access wont hurt a thing.   writing to ntfs is always dangerous from linux   cause M$ wants it that way.
[08:02] <DaSkreech> drew_: What kind of su errors?
[08:02] <drew_> cant tal with
[08:03] <drew_> talk*
[08:03] <eduard> DaSkreech "no items matched"
[08:03] <DaSkreech> you typed the word adept?
[08:03] <eduard> you didnt tell me :)
[08:03] <DaSkreech> i did :-P
[08:03] <DaSkreech> alt+space
[08:03] <DaSkreech> type adept
[08:03] <eduard> i am in
[08:03] <DaSkreech> press enter
[08:03] <eduard> ok
[08:03] <DaSkreech> fetch updates
[08:04] <DaSkreech> I put this as F5 on my adept
[08:04] <DaSkreech> so much easier :)
[08:04] <eduard> done, new version avalable
[08:04] <eduard> available, i do "next"
[08:04] <DaSkreech> After this it should be bouncing ball
[08:05] <drew_> still conversation with su failed
[08:05] <drew_> i cant use it aghh
[08:05] <eduard> DaSkreech have you install this one already?
[08:05] <Iwonder|too> drew_:  something simple like sudo konqueror fails?
[08:06] <DaSkreech> eduard: Ummm Kinda :-)
[08:06] <sstchur__> has anyone gotten that menu with a search built (like the one on Open Suse 10.2 beta) in working in KDE?   (I think someone told me it was called Kickstart) ?
[08:06] <drew_> no
[08:06] <DaSkreech> !kickoff
[08:06] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[08:06] <drew_> iwonder|too: no
[08:06] <Iwonder|too> no? it works or doesn't?
[08:06] <DaSkreech> eduard: I haven't done an upgrade
[08:06] <DaSkreech> Maybe next week
[08:06] <drew_> it works,
[08:06] <eduard> DaSkreech it does upgrade now
[08:07] <drew_> only adept
[08:07] <Iwonder|too> then sudo is fine
[08:07] <sstchur__> ah Kickoff... is that available for anyone to install in KDE for any distro ?
[08:07] <drew_> adept wont run tho
[08:07] <eduard> DaSkreech why not? you dont trust it?
[08:07] <DaSkreech> sstchur__: sure
[08:07] <DaSkreech> eduard: haven't had the time
[08:07] <eduard> :))
[08:07] <drew_> or add remove programs
[08:07] <drew_> niether
[08:08] <sstchur__> DaSkreech: I've tried looking for the source or a package or something, but wasn't able to find anything.  Were does one get it?
[08:08] <eduard> DaSkreech how long are you with kubuntu already?
[08:08] <drew_> whom?
[08:08] <eduard> or with a kinux ?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> 1.5 years
[08:08] <eduard> linux*
[08:08] <DaSkreech> or yaer
[08:08] <Iwonder|too> drew_: sudo adept_manager
[08:08] <DaSkreech> year?
[08:08] <eduard> wow
[08:09] <DaSkreech> sstchur__: from suse I would guess
[08:09] <DaSkreech> I know it's modest :)
[08:09] <eduard> ugu
[08:09] <drew_> i still keep getting the same error
[08:09] <bill_k> DaSkreech: running kubuntu installed :)
[08:09] <eduard> DaSkreech hey i ve got an error
[08:09] <drew_> oh well
[08:09] <DaSkreech> bill_k: Niiiice :)
[08:09] <drew_> time to go to bed
[08:09] <Iwonder|too> exactly what error/
[08:10] <DaSkreech> eduard: Whats it say?
[08:10] <billytwowilly> hey, is there any howto to upgrade to feisty without the upgrader app?
[08:10] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[08:10] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[08:10] <bill_k> DaSkreech: now to bcm43xx fwcutter and binarydrivers + vlc, mythtv, etc again
[08:10] <DaSkreech> something like that
[08:10] <billytwowilly> yah.. I"m already running edgy..
[08:10] <drew_> upgrading to edgy overnight
[08:10] <drew_> nights
[08:10] <DaSkreech> billytwowilly: replace dapper with edgy and edgy with feisty
[08:10] <DaSkreech>  works the same way
[08:11] <billytwowilly> ok.
[08:11] <DaSkreech> bill_k: have fun
[08:11] <DaSkreech>  how do you like myth?
[08:11] <eduard> DaSkreech http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11959/
[08:12] <bill_k> DaSkreech: it's cool.  just wish there was a single installer too for the many people running frontend+backend+database
[08:12] <bill_k> DaSkreech: without the mysql server too, way too much stuff for us noobs
[08:12] <eduard> DaSkreech any ideas why?
[08:13] <DaSkreech> eduard: server was probably busy
[08:13] <DaSkreech> try again
[08:13] <eduard> ok
[08:13] <NightBird> !adeptcrashfix
[08:13] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:14] <NightBird> (that is a usefull trigger to remember
[08:17] <bill_k> !binarydrivers
[08:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:17] <eduard> DaSkreech the same error while fetching files
[08:17] <DaSkreech> grrr
[08:18] <DaSkreech> can you ping that site?
[08:18] <eduard> no sorry - while modifying software channels
[08:18] <eduard> how please?
[08:18] <dwidmann> "Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)" Piece of crap :\
[08:19] <eduard> DaSkreech ping result - unknown site
[08:19] <eduard> unknown host
[08:19] <DaSkreech> archive.ubuntu.com ?
[08:20] <eduard> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2
[08:20] <dwidmann> and mirrors numbering more than one
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Oh that's not a site
[08:20] <DaSkreech>  just the first part
[08:20] <DaSkreech>  to the .com
[08:21] <eduard> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2
[08:21] <eduard> sorry
[08:21] <eduard> eduard@kubuntu:~$ ping http://archive.ubuntu.com
[08:21] <eduard> ping: unknown host http://archive.ubuntu.com
[08:22] <eduard> DaSkreech unknown host http://archive.ubuntu.com
[08:22] <DaSkreech> eduard: What is the perfix that you have in your sources?
[08:22] <eduard> prefix?
[08:22] <DaSkreech> nl ?
[08:23] <DaSkreech> nl.archive.ubuntu.com?
[08:23] <eduard> ru
[08:23] <eduard> i used russian language first
[08:23] <dwidmann> try pinging 91.189.89.6 for "archive.ubuntu.com"?
[08:23] <eduard> by default , now i changed to english
[08:24] <Iwonder|too> ping: unknown host http://archive.ubuntu.com
[08:24] <Iwonder|too> 
[08:24] <dwidmann> or 91.189.88.31 for ru.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:24] <eduard> counting
[08:24] <Iwonder|too> ahh i see
[08:25] <DaSkreech> I guess you just can't see it :(
[08:25] <eduard> it sending pings
[08:26] <eduard> icmp_seq=52 already
[08:26] <Iwonder|too> ctrl+c
[08:26] <eduard> DaSkreech ok, what i can do now?
[08:26] <DaSkreech> try again
[08:26] <dwidmann> This just has to go and remind me how bad packet loss is on my connection :(
[08:26] <DaSkreech> now that you see it
[08:27] <eduard> what can i do now?
[08:27] <eduard> still no result from ping
[08:28] <raffytaffy> morning penguins
[08:28] <dwidmann> eduard: you can stop ping by pressing "ctrl+c"
[08:28] <eduard> ok, 250 received , no lost
[08:29] <raffytaffy> network problems?
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Oh sounds good :)
[08:29] <dwidmann> heh ...... I'm sitting at 9% packet loss :( with an average of 1400ms. My connection needs to die
[08:29] <DaSkreech> eduard: click the upgrade button again :)
[08:29] <eduard> hope not raffytaffy
[08:30] <eduard> DaSkreech - shall i change ru to nl ?
[08:30] <DaSkreech> Nope
[08:30] <DaSkreech>  no need
[08:32] <raffytaffy> ow crap . i press something and xchat menu is gone:O
[08:32] <eduard> DaSkreech - why prefixes didnt chane automaticaly after i changed language?
[08:32] <eduard> change*
[08:32] <DaSkreech> eduard: it doesn't care about lang as far as I know
[08:33] <DaSkreech>  it cares where you are in the world
[08:33] <eduard> OK
[08:33] <Jucato> eduard: changing languages doesn't change which server you are using
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Jucato!
[08:33] <dwidmann> hmm, nope, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty main is still a no-go
[08:33] <DaSkreech> You never told me konversation has konsole
[08:33] <eduard> but it should in a way suffets nearest one
[08:33] <Jucato> DaSkreech!
[08:33] <DaSkreech> that
[08:33] <DaSkreech> so
[08:33] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you never asked  :)
[08:33] <DaSkreech> rocks
[08:34] <eduard> suggest *
[08:34] <Jucato> DaSkreech: now you can use irssi in Konversation :)
[08:34] <DaSkreech> No clue what I'm going to use it for but ... it's cool!
[08:34] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[08:34] <dwidmann> Jucato: kind of like how I use vim in kate?
[08:34] <DaSkreech> eduard: is the upgrade still failing?
[08:34] <Jucato> eduard: it does that during the installation process, when you chose your locale
[08:34] <eduard> no, error
[08:34] <Jucato> dwidmann: hehe equally Krazy :)
[08:34] <DaSkreech> is that no error?
[08:34] <eduard> again error
[08:34] <DaSkreech>  or no. Error
[08:34] <DaSkreech> ah ok
[08:35] <dwidmann> DaSkreech ... repo error ..... just gonna have to sit and wait for a vulgar amount of time
[08:35] <eduard> it sais - this is usually some sort of network problem
[08:35] <raffytaffy> help:( my xchat menu is gone from the top of this window:(
[08:35] <Jucato> although GUI + vim seems to sound oxymoronic...
[08:35] <DaSkreech> Where does the upgrade tool get the repos from?
[08:35] <Jucato> raffytaffy: you're using xchat? or konversation?
[08:35] <billytwowilly> is there any way to launch the upgrader app manually?
[08:35] <raffytaffy> xchat..i pres something on accident
[08:35] <raffytaffy> and the menu buttons disapear
[08:36] <dwidmann> eduard: yes, but it's two (and likely more) people having the problem, thus ruling out network issues
[08:36] <Jucato> billytwowilly: which upgrader app?
[08:36] <eduard> suggestion?
[08:36] <eduard> wait and restart?
[08:36] <billytwowilly> jucato the one to upgrade from edgy to feisty
[08:37] <dwidmann> The repositories Packages.bz2 file is the problem, we just need to wait until it's updated/fixed/whatever
[08:37] <Jucato> billytwowilly: if you weren't able to upgrade fully using it, just launch Adept, click on Fetch Updates, wait for the updates to finish, then it will run the tool
[08:37] <billytwowilly> nifty, thanks.
[08:37] <Jucato> dwidmann: what's the exact error message btw?
[08:38] <dwidmann> "Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)"
[08:38] <dwidmann> That's the part I copied a while back, I didn't select the rest :(
[08:38] <DaSkreech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11959/
[08:38] <DaSkreech> ^^^ error
[08:38] <firecrotch> !info webcyradm
[08:39] <ubotu> Package webcyradm does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[08:39] <bill_k> what's the gui sudo command for kubuntu (equivalent to gksudo) ?
[08:39] <bill_k> !sudo
[08:39] <eduard> the same error all the time
[08:39] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:39] <Jucato> bill_k: kdesu
[08:39] <bill_k> thanks
[08:39] <DaSkreech> !kdesu
[08:39] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:39] <Jucato> dwidmann: try changing to uk.archive.ubuntu.com and sudo apt-get update again
[08:39] <dwidmann> did that
[08:39] <dwidmann> same error
[08:39] <Jucato> changed to uk.?
[08:39] <dwidmann> same with us.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:40] <billytwowilly> so the upgrader starts up grey screen
[08:40] <eduard> yes it start screen , but till modifying...
[08:40] <billytwowilly> is there anything wrong with just changes the deb repositories to feisty and doing an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:41] <Jucato> billytwowilly: don't really know. but Kubuntu is pushing for testing the GUI dist-upgrade tool that will make dist-upgrading easier
[08:41] <billytwowilly> it's not starting up other than as a grey screen...
[08:41] <Jucato> billytwowilly: I think the tool makes sure that you have the essential packages/metapackages installed before upgrading
[08:41] <raffytaffy> $tab
[08:41] <Jucato> billytwowilly: #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu+1 for bugs (it's currently in beta, remember?)
[08:42] <Jucato> but being a Sunday today....
[08:42] <billytwowilly> blah
[08:42] <dwidmann> later Jucato
[08:42] <Jucato> laterzzzz
[08:42] <DaSkreech> eduard: Guess you will have to play with feisty tomorrow
[08:43] <eduard> ok, no problem, thanks any way guys
[08:43] <eduard> appreciate it!
[08:44] <eduard> DaSkreech - have a nice day, i will try tomorrow
[08:45] <DaSkreech> eduard: Anythign else you would like to play with?
[08:45] <DaSkreech> bill_k: Welcome back
[08:45] <eduard> DaSkreech - well....
[08:46] <eduard> DaSkreech - may be - wireless card? i need wireless connection sharing between my laptop and my girlfriend laptop, i use ethernet card
[08:47] <DaSkreech> !wifi
[08:47] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:47] <eduard> DaSkreech somethig like wingate in windows
[08:47] <DaSkreech> ohhh
[08:47] <DaSkreech> you mean kwifimanager
[08:47] <DaSkreech> !kwifimanager
[08:47] <ubotu> kwifimanager: wireless lan manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 224 kB, installed size 780 kB
[08:47] <eduard> never heard
[08:48] <DaSkreech> Assuming that wireless works for you already
[08:48] <jay> i dont like this
[08:48] <jay> i cant root
[08:48] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[08:48] <DaSkreech> !root
[08:48] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:48] <jay> how do i get to kdesu
[08:48] <eduard> ok, will try
[08:48] <eduard> it is
[08:48] <eduard> i use knetwork manager
[08:48] <DaSkreech> jay: alt+f2 -> kdesu command
[08:48] <jay> !kdesu
[08:48] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:49] <eduard> kdesu? what it does?
[08:49] <eduard> nothing happend
[08:49] <jay> it a gui root managger
[08:49] <DaSkreech> eduard: it allows you to run a program as root
[08:50] <DaSkreech> a gui progam
[08:50] <jay> it alows you to run kde prorams in root
[08:50] <jay> !adept
[08:50] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[08:51] <eduard> ok, thanks, how tu deactivate it afterwords?
[08:51] <eduard> to*
[08:52] <DaSkreech> deactiviate?
[08:52] <DaSkreech> hi Admiral_Chicago
[08:52] <jay> deactivate what?
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there DaSkreech. how is it going room
[08:52] <eduard>    deactivate this command kdesu?
[08:52] <DaSkreech> eduard: close the application
[08:52] <eduard> ok
[08:52] <jay> nothing came up when i did it
[08:53] <DaSkreech> jay: can you sudo?
[08:53] <jay> yeah
[08:53] <jay> but i need a gui su
[08:53] <DaSkreech> butno kdesu
[08:53] <DaSkreech> for any program?
[08:53] <jay> yep
[08:53] <jay> no
[08:53] <jay> i want the xterm from kde
[08:54] <jay> not this crap Konsole
[08:54] <DaSkreech> kdesu speedcruch doesn't work ?
[08:54] <DaSkreech> jay: So install Xterm
[08:54] <DaSkreech> not a big issue
[08:54] <jay> yeah it is
[08:54] <jay> i should have to go fetch the stuuf that SHOULD be there already
[08:55] <billytwowilly> lol
[08:55] <billytwowilly> konsole is default in kde
[08:55] <billytwowilly> xterm is not.
[08:55] <jay> HA!
[08:55] <Iwonder|too> jay type xterm
[08:55] <firecrotch> is it possible to "undo" apt-get -f install ?
[08:55] <jay> xtrem is on almost every linux distro
[08:55] <Iwonder|too> and its on mine also
[08:56] <DaSkreech> And it's on the one you are on
[08:56] <DaSkreech> not a big issue
[08:56] <bill_k> awesome, screensavere options work on kubuntu
[08:56] <bill_k> s/screensaver
[08:56] <jay> as i thought
[08:56] <jay> xterm is there
[08:56] <DaSkreech> again
[08:57] <jay> the link was not put in the kde loauncher
[08:57] <DaSkreech> not a big issue
[08:57] <Skuller> my xorg is using about 30% cpu, any idea why or how can i stop it from doing so?
[08:57] <jay> DaSkreech: what versiooon of linux do you use?
[08:57] <DaSkreech> no it wasnt
[08:58] <dwidmann> depends entirely on what it did
[08:58] <Iwonder|too> never seen a distro that that did,haven;t tried them all though,xterm isn't a kde app,it shopuldn't be in there
[08:58] <dwidmann> additionally- automatically, no, manually, probably
[08:58] <Iwonder|too> run kappfinder
[08:58] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu
[08:58] <DaSkreech> Skuller: Wish I knew. Normally it's firefox for me
[08:59] <jay> i have been using mandriva and knoppix this is a DOWNGRADE for me
[08:59] <DaSkreech> In what way?
[08:59] <Skuller> DaSkreech: :(....i think its got something to do with the screw ups today in it...well never mind...thanks
[08:59] <Iwonder|too> everyone has an opinion,i find knoppix too buggy to use and rpm sux with depencys
[09:00] <jay> knoppix
[09:00] <jay> BUGGY!
[09:00] <jay> HAR!
[09:00] <Iwonder|too> buggy as hell on my amd64
[09:00] <jay> i can tell you why
[09:00] <Iwonder|too> i like there mode finder
[09:00] <jay> cause you use ^$ bit
[09:00] <Iwonder|too> for setting up xorg
[09:00] <dwidmann> knoppix works okay for me ..... but, clutter. CLUTTER.
[09:00] <jay> 64
[09:00] <jay> well
[09:01] <jay> knoppix is not ment to be installed
[09:01] <Iwonder|too> wasn't
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[09:01] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:01] <jay> -_-
[09:01] <jay> pffft
[09:01] <Iwonder|too> didn't perform nothing like kubuntu livecd nor gentoo installer livecd
[09:01] <eduard> DaSkreech - hey i changed allrepositories to gb and it started to upgrade (i hope it is )
[09:01] <Iwonder|too> but everyone says something different about it
[09:01] <DaSkreech> eduard: heehee :)
[09:02] <eduard> it is fetchin and installing now ;)
[09:02] <dwidmann> Hmm, maybe it's working across-the-board now, I'll give it a try too
[09:02] <jay> Iwonder|too: join #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:02] <eduard> i need 1- 2 hours
[09:03] <Iwonder|too> why jay?
[09:03] <firecrotch> Is there a way to remove all packages except for the very base packages?
[09:03] <DaSkreech> Iwonder|too: to talk offtopic of course
[09:04] <jay> xD
[09:04] <DaSkreech> firecrotch: well if you have KDe then yes
[09:04] <jay> DaSkreech: you too
[09:04] <Iwonder|too> i have nothing off topic to say,i've used manfrake since 7.2,gentoo since 2005.1 and am quite pleased with this versiion of kubuntu
[09:04] <DaSkreech> jay: I'm heading to bed
[09:04] <jay> bye
[09:04] <DaSkreech>  I'll be here tomorrow if you wanna hang around. Always nice to havea good discussion
[09:04] <eduard> DaSkreech - hey i told you i might have to change prefix ;)
[09:04] <DaSkreech> eduard: Yeah I know :)
[09:05] <firecrotch> DaSkreech: Actually, for this case, I'm referring to a server system
[09:05] <eduard> strange, why it is so?
[09:05] <DaSkreech> firecrotch: Just install ubuntu-server from the alternate CD
[09:05] <eduard> are mirrors not updated yet?
[09:05] <DaSkreech> eduard: bingo
[09:05] <eduard> :))
[09:06] <eduard> ok, it means gb - is the first one?
[09:06] <firecrotch> DaSkreech: I don't have physical access to the machine, and I need to get this fixed fast
[09:06] <DaSkreech> firecrotch: What is on it now?
[09:06] <eduard> firecrotch say please :))))))
[09:06] <DaSkreech> eduard: one of
[09:07] <firecrotch> DaSkreech: It's pretty much just Apache2, php5 and bind9
[09:07] <eduard> DaSkreech next to who?
[09:07] <firecrotch> eduard: please
[09:07] <DaSkreech> archive.ubuntu.com I would suspect
[09:07] <eduard> firecrotch not ot me - to DaSkreech :))
[09:07] <DaSkreech> firecrotch: Sooo what do you need removed?
[09:08] <firecrotch> DaSkreech: I have no clue.  I did apt-get -f install and everything just died, basically
[09:09] <DaSkreech> define everything
[09:09] <dwidmann> the opposite of nothing?
[09:09] <Iwonder|too> does apt log?
[09:09] <firecrotch> DaSkreech: php is giving me all kinds of errors now
[09:09] <DaSkreech> Yeah it does
[09:10] <Iwonder|too> maybe see what the force warned against breakage?
[09:10] <DaSkreech> why did you need the -f anyway?
[09:10] <firecrotch> DaSkreech:  I think I may have accidentally installed php4 over php5, and broke some scripts
[09:10] <DaSkreech> Whatever caused you to need that is most likely waht broke it
[09:10] <dwidmann> it probably told him to do it ...
[09:10] <firecrotch> Yes, it told me to
[09:11] <Iwonder|too> too bad there ain't a apt-get undo
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> firecrotch: you could try downgrade
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Well I'm off ot bed
[09:11] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: How?
[09:12] <eduard> DaSkreech sorry, i forgot - did you help to install KDE 3.5.6 ?
[09:12] <DaSkreech> eduard: it will be installed when this is done
[09:12] <eduard> ufff, thanks
[09:12] <DaSkreech> eduard: Night!
[09:12] <DaSkreech> eduard: in 6 months you can install KDE4 :)
[09:12] <DaSkreech> :-D
[09:12] <eduard> night?
[09:13] <DaSkreech> Come see me then
[09:13] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah
[09:13] <DaSkreech> it's near 2:30
[09:13] <eduard> ok, thanks
[09:13] <eduard> ehere are you?
[09:13] <eduard> where are you?
[09:13] <eduard> here is 9.13
[09:13] <DaSkreech> Obviously not near you :)
[09:13] <eduard> i thought you are in GB
[09:13] <eduard> :)) ah ok
[09:14] <eduard> never mind - be secret
[09:14] <eduard> good sleep
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> same time over here. CST.
[09:15] <eduard> usa, chikago - good
[09:15] <eduard> chicago *
[09:15] <dwidmann> Chicago traffic makes me cry
[09:16] <eduard> please dont cry :))
[09:16] <dwidmann> :P I'll try not to
[09:16] <Iwonder|too> perhaps off topic,anyone know of a timezone setting in kde that suuports daylights saving?
[09:16] <dwidmann> wonder, it set my clock automatically ... so apparantly it does
[09:17] <eduard> i ve got it too auto
[09:17] <Iwonder|too> chicago/cst?
[09:19] <Admiral_Chicago> yesp
[09:19] <Iwonder|too> k thx
[09:19] <Admiral_Chicago> are any of you from chicago?
[09:20] <eduard> i am wondering the same - anyone from Netherlands?
[09:20] <Iwonder|too> damn now if someone will wake up in kvirc channel so i can figure out 12 hour timestamp settings
[09:20] <eduard> dwidmann ???
[09:21] <dwidmann> ???
[09:21] <eduard> definitely isn't, and couldn't be paid to live within 50 miles of that city
[09:22] <eduard> ??
[09:22] <eduard> why?
[09:22] <dwidmann> Stress
[09:22] <eduard> aaaah....
[09:22] <eduard> welcome to Netherlands
[09:22] <dwidmann> ???
[09:23] <eduard> nevermind,
[09:24] <Admiral_Chicago> i've lived there my entire life :)
[09:25] <dwidmann> It was stressful enough just having to drive through Chicago on the way to Wisconsin
[09:25] <eduard> how long if i can isk it is?
[09:26] <Iwonder|too> my cousin lives in ghicago,she loves it
[09:27] <dwidmann> Only 762 more packages to download :(
[09:27] <eduard> i have 160 downloaded
[09:28] <dwidmann> I started a couple days ago ..... I've got 527/1288 done
[09:28] <eduard> dwidmann are you upgrading to 7.04 as well?
[09:28] <dwidmann> Yeah
[09:28] <Admiral_Chicago> 19 years
[09:28] <dwidmann> 19 years?
[09:28] <eduard> entire life....
[09:28] <raffytaffy> ive installed 7.04 a few days ago next to egdy. i have both
[09:28] <Admiral_Chicago> feisty rocks
[09:29] <eduard> why next to?
[09:29] <eduard> how do you feel with your 7.04 ?
[09:29] <eduard> raffytaffy - tell us, what is like to have 7.04 :))
[09:30] <raffytaffy> well it was a bit harder to install custom kernel on it
[09:30] <raffytaffy> but it works ok now
[09:30] <eduard> laptop? desk?
[09:30] <raffytaffy> im goin to be installing kde4 on edgy
[09:30] <raffytaffy> laptop
[09:30] <Iwonder|too> how do you know which one you have,by the title in repos( edgy universe)?
[09:30] <raffytaffy> even if i bork edgy. i have feisty to fall back on
[09:30] <eduard> wireless?
[09:31] <raffytaffy> no wired
[09:31] <Admiral_Chicago> Iwonder|too: its edgu
[09:31] <eduard> do you have wireless card?
[09:31] <Admiral_Chicago> universe says the scope of support (if you will)
[09:31] <dwidmann> Anyhow, seeing as I've been too lazy to check, is there anything new worth mentioning in Feisty? (that I didn't already have in Edgy?"
[09:31] <raffytaffy> yes i do
[09:31] <raffytaffy> it works btw..in case youre wondering
[09:31] <Admiral_Chicago> dwidmann: yes, let me grab a link
[09:31] <dwidmann> my internet connection and that link probably aren't going to get along real well
[09:32] <raffytaffy> my wireless card is built into laptop / during kernel compile i compiled the right mods and it works
[09:32] <eduard> have you tryed to do share connection through wireless card?
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> easy codec install, migration assistan.
[09:32] <eduard> right mods , what is it?
[09:32] <dwidmann> what is "migration assistant?"
[09:33] <Admiral_Chicago> its a tool to help move all your files over from a different OS
[09:34] <dwidmann> ah, sounds interesting
[09:34] <dwidmann> would have been handy for me a while back ...
[09:34] <eduard> and now - what is right mod?
[09:37] <sonoftheclayr> should i get feisty desktop or alternative cd or should i just upgrade edgy?
[09:38] <raffytaffy> i installed second edgy install and updated that
[09:38] <Iwonder|too> eduard: right module for internal wireless card?
[09:38] <raffytaffy> i dont want it to mess up my partitions
[09:38] <sonoftheclayr> i was thinking of doing that raffytaffy
[09:38] <raffytaffy> it worked extremley well for me actually
[09:38] <raffytaffy> no errors at all during install...
[09:38] <raffytaffy> my reasoning : its a base install without extra packages...so less possible dep. problems
[09:39] <sonoftheclayr> yeah, i'll do that. thanks
[09:39] <raffytaffy> let us know how it went
[09:39] <sonoftheclayr> tell you how it goes later
[09:40] <waylandbill> I upgraded edgy to fiesty. It only needed 1400 packages updated :-O
[09:40] <eduard> Iwonder|too right module, thanks. i don know what it is but soundds promissing :)
[09:40] <waylandbill> I guess I installed some stuff previously. :-)
[09:42] <Iwonder|too> eduard: everyone goes about it differently,but vasically you type lspci,find out which card/chipset you have and start doing research to see if its supported and how
[09:43] <Iwonder|too> some people re do their kernel to have the module loaded on boot,some use 3rd party software,some use ndiswrapper with native windows drivers,some just won't work in linux
[09:43] <Iwonder|too> mine is a bcm43xx it works well
[09:43] <eduard> it is supported, i installed proper driver already - thanks, my question was - how to sgare internet connection trough wireless cas=rd with other laptop while i am using wired connection by ethernet card
[09:43] <eduard> share*
[09:44] <Iwonder|too> ipforwad=1\
[09:44] <Iwonder|too> and set the card mode different than managed
[09:44] <Iwonder|too> ad-hoc i think
[09:44] <eduard> i found this one you mentioned Iwonder|too
[09:45] <Iwonder|too> where the ipforward setting is in kubuntu,i do not know
[09:45] <eduard> ad-hoc, what it does?
[09:45] <Iwonder|too> ad-hoc means peer to peer
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> 2
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> err. sorry Ad hoc is a Latin phrase which means "for this [purpose] ".
[09:45] <Iwonder|too> iwconfig (inteerface) mode ad-hoc
[09:45] <cpk1> eduard: you are also going to have to use iptables MASQUERADE
[09:46] <eduard> something like this, in windowsXP  iused wingate
[09:46] <Iwonder|too> eduard:  you will have to wait on an expert or google intenet cinnection sharing
[09:47] <cpk1> its not that hard to do it
[09:47] <eduard> cpk1 - how? please
[09:48] <cpk1> eduard: 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE' for the iptables rule and then echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[09:48] <Iwonder|too> wonder if kubuntu has a gui for it like mandrake
[09:48] <eduard> cpk1 wo wo wo, which one is first? :))
[09:48] <cpk1> eduard: doesnt matter
[09:49] <eduard> what command shall i use first ( i am not gur yet)
[09:49] <eduard> guru
[09:49] <raffytaffy> there is a "gui" for iptables other hen firestarter
[09:49] <raffytaffy> its called "webmin"
[09:50] <eduard> hey i installed firestarter
[09:50] <eduard> how can i start my own connection so mindows XP laptop sow it?
[09:50] <eduard> can see it *
[09:50] <cpk1> eduard: I said it doesnt matter which you do first and you dont need firestarter for simple internet sharing
[09:52] <eduard> permission denied - after echo 1>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago>  did you try sudo
[09:53] <eduard> no, forgot
[09:53] <cpk1> its echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[09:54] <eduard> ok with spaces?
[09:54] <firecrotch> How can I list ALL of the packages installed on my system (from the command line) ?
[09:54] <Admiral_Chicago> firecrotch: i think apt-get -l
[09:54] <cpk1> firecrotch: you do realize that will at least be several thousand?
[09:55] <eduard> with sudo - permission denied
[09:55] <firecrotch> cpk1: Yes, I realize that
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> nope
[09:55] <firecrotch> cpk1: I'm trying to restore a completely hosed server
[09:55] <raffytaffy> dpkg get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ubuntu-files
[09:55] <raffytaffy> maybe
[09:55] <cpk1> eduard: yeah i think you need to be in a root session to do that otherwise try just editing that file with nano
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> theer is an apt command somewhere firecrotch
[09:55] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: Thanks
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> bit busy to look myself
[09:56] <cpk1> firecrotch: you can browse by just using aptitude
[09:56] <raffytaffy> firecrotch try ; dpkg get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ubuntu-files
[09:56] <eduard> cpk1 - i do upgrade now, could be this a reason?
[09:56] <cpk1> eduard: no, just do what I said
[09:57] <firecrotch> raffytaffy: Thanks
[09:57] <raffytaffy> worked?
[09:57] <eduard> ok, simmes nothing happend
[09:58] <eduard> cpk1 - what next? after echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[09:58] <cpk1> eduard: did it work?
[09:58] <eduard> cpk1 nothing heppend - no reaction just bash is ready for next command
[09:59] <cpk1> ok did you do the iptables rule eduard?
[09:59] <eduard> ,ups not yet
[10:00] <eduard> how? cpk1?
[10:00] <eduard> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE ?
[10:01] <eduard> cpk1 - idone: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE , simmes to be nothing heppend as well
[10:02] <cpk1> that should be all you have to do if the other computer is already connected it should work but you might need to set up the dns
[10:03] <eduard> cpk1 on the windowsXP laptop - what shall i do to see my wireless connection from kubuntu?
[10:03] <cpk1> just look for it
[10:04] <eduard> i mean kubuntu installed on my laptop, windows xp on my friends
[10:04] <cpk1> ... which computer is connected to the internet?
[10:04] <eduard> my kubuntu
[10:05] <eduard> wired
[10:05] <cpk1> ok then just search for it on windows I presume
[10:05] <cpk1> i am not 100% I have only wirelessly networked with linux
[10:06] <eduard> ok, please let me know next - what name of network should be? what is the name of network/signal i should look for?
[10:06] <cpk1> i dont know its your configuration
[10:07] <cpk1> I just told you I have never done ad hoc on windows
[10:07] <eduard> i did what you told me - how what was it about?
[10:07] <eduard> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE - what it is for?
[10:08] <cpk1> so that computers connected to yours can send data outside
[10:08] <cpk1> and stuff from outside can get sent back
[10:09] <eduard> ah, alright, i see, thanks for that
[10:09] <eduard> but still how can i see my kubunta laptop from windows laptop by wireless connection?
[10:10] <c1|freaky> is there any list of additional apt sources for kubuntu and ubuntu?
[10:10] <eduard> cpk1 any idea?
[10:10] <cpk1> !easysource | c1|freaky
[10:10] <ubotu> c1|freaky: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:11] <cpk1> eduard: no, in linux I would just assign an ip to each card and that would be that
[10:11] <c1|freaky> i mean additional ones to these
[10:13] <Contrast> What's up, everyone?
[10:14] <Contrast> Are there any Beryl-GIT users in here? I'm trying to find out if the wallpaper manager plugin is still missing before I update and can't get an answer over at #beryl. :-\
[10:14] <raffytaffy> hi | Contrast
[10:14] <Admiral_Chicago> Contrast: maybe in #ubuntu-effects
[10:15] <Contrast> Thanks, Admiral_Chicago
[10:16] <wolferine> anyone use/good with smartctl ?
[10:18] <eduard> any one please help to solf this proble while upgrade system to 7.04: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11966/
[10:18] <eduard> eroor appeared while fetching
[10:20] <Admiral_Chicago> eduard: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[10:20] <raffytaffy> gb.archive.ubuntu.com seems down
[10:20] <raffytaffy> use mirror apt-get list
[10:20] <eduard> Admiral_Chicago KDE3.5.5
[10:20] <Admiral_Chicago> ah wait. sec
[10:20] <Admiral_Chicago> the server is up i think
[10:21] <Admiral_Chicago> eduard: kubuntu-desktop is a package
[10:21] <eduard> Admiral_Chicago installed
[10:22] <Admiral_Chicago> the server is down most likely
[10:23] <eduard>  ok i will restart
[10:23] <xushi> forgive my question, but i'm not on my kubuntu box atm.. Is there a version for nvu on kubuntu's package manger ?
[10:24] <xushi> or do i have to compile from src ?
[10:25] <raffytaffy> !nvu
[10:25] <ubotu> nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[10:25] <xushi> excellent
[10:26] <Linux_Galore> xushi: could have just typed  sudo apt-get install nvu   and that that question answered
[10:26] <ben__> where can i download kde4
[10:27] <raffytaffy> ben__ : deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main
[10:27] <Linux_Galore> ben__: tells you how to do it on the ubuntu.org  home page
[10:27] <xushi> Linux_Galore: me ?
[10:27] <raffytaffy> but i warn you...it may break your stuff ben__
[10:27] <Linux_Galore> s/that that/have that/
[10:27] <ben__> does it work for kubuntu dapper
[10:28] <Linux_Galore> ben__: nope
[10:28] <raffytaffy> it may..it may not..i cant answer that
[10:28] <raffytaffy> ahh u said dapper
[10:28] <raffytaffy> no no..this is for 6.10
[10:28] <ben__> can beryl run on my kubuntu dapper???
[10:28] <Admiral_Chicago> ben__: yes
[10:28] <Linux_Galore> ben__: you like unstable software dont you
[10:29] <ben__> i just wanna test it
[10:29] <raffytaffy> Linux_Galore: i even like to use debian repos and rpm packages via smart hehe
[10:29] <Linux_Galore> ben__: and watch it crash and burn
[10:29] <ben__> where can i find a good set up guide or an u guys walk me thru it
[10:29] <ben__> heard u guys were te best tut around
[10:30] <Contrast> ben__: It will work on Dapper, but no nearly as smoothly as it will on Edgy, and it will run even better still on Feisty.
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> ben__: unless your really experienced with Linux dont use beryl and KDE 4.0 you have to do allot of manual fixes
[10:30] <raffytaffy> yeah like exporting stuff....conf files...list goes on
[10:30] <ben__> ok then
[10:31] <Contrast> There's only one conf file you have to edit to get Beryl running.
[10:31] <ben__> is gona be aprt of th feisty version
[10:31] <Linux_Galore> ben__: wait till herd is out later this year and you will have both without the headaches
[10:31] <Contrast> And if you can't get it to work, you can always do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[10:31] <Contrast> ben__: What kind of graphic card do you use?
[10:31] <ben__> is herd bette than dapepr
[10:31] <ben__> dapper*
[10:32] <Linux_Galore> ben__: no its an option in feisty it wont be standard
[10:32] <ben__> ok
[10:32] <Linux_Galore> ben__: ie beryl is still considered work in progress
[10:32] <ben__> thanks for the adice Galore
[10:32] <ben__> you just save me a "crash"
[10:33] <ben__> advice*
[10:33] <Linux_Galore> got en email today said KDE 4.0 should be released in October, in time for the next release after feisty
[10:33] <Contrast> ben__: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu#Ubuntu_6.06.x_.28Dapper_Drake_-_Long_Term_Support.29
[10:33] <Linux_Galore> an*
[10:33] <Contrast> ben__: Are you adament about sticking with an LTS release?
[10:34] <ben__> i think i am gonna takes galore advice and wait on feisty
[10:34] <ben__> yea
[10:34] <ben__> should I???
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> kde 4.0 release schedule -> http://dot.kde.org/1174481326/
[10:35] <Contrast> It depends on your preferences, i.e., whether you value the latest software more than rock-solid stability.
[10:36] <ben__> are u gonna switch
[10:36] <ben__> ???
[10:36] <Contrast> But then again, I'm running Feisty, which is still in alpha (or is it beta now?), and am not having any problems.
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> ben__: your not missing much trust me, if you want to play with beryl go get knoppix or try kororaa -> http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=about
[10:36] <raffytaffy> also sabayon has beryl
[10:36] <Contrast> Not missing much in not using Beryl is a matter of opinion. ;-)
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> ben__: you can run all the effects without installing anything
[10:37] <Admiral_Chicago> Contrast: beta.
[10:37] <cyt> How to I put the 'Trash Can' on deskop, not on the panel?
[10:37] <Contrast> ben__: Personally, my advice would be to try the wiki I gave you. If it doesn't work, you're not out anything.
[10:37] <ben__> feisty alpha, does it come with beryl??
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> cyt: create a desktop link called  trash:/
[10:37] <Contrast> I've never heard of a system being rendered inoperable by just trying to install Beryl.
[10:38] <Contrast> That's what sudo dpkg-reconfiguer -phigh xserver-xorg is for.
[10:38] <Contrast> ben__: No, but it has built in support for compositing managers, which means less editing of xorg.conf.
[10:38] <ben__> i tried the wiki but it just produced a black scren and i ha to reconfiure my xserver
[10:38] <cyt> Linux_Galore: Thank you :)
[10:38] <Admiral_Chicago> Contrast: did for me, thats why i stopped using it
[10:39] <ben__> will the full realease have it
[10:39] <Contrast> Admiral_Chicago: I mean inoperable as in not easily rescued by a simple command.
[10:39] <Contrast> ben__: No, they decided since Beryl and Compiz are both too early in development that it'd be best to not have them installed by default.
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> cyt: right click on the desktop Create New -> Link To location   then call it Trash and the url is trash:/
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, i had no X server and couldn't fix it
[10:41] <Contrast> Admiral_Chicago: I would imagine you're in a tiny minority then. I've done well over a dozen installs where, whenever having problems with X, running the command I mentioned AWAYS got it back up and running.
[10:42] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, that makes me not want to use desktop effects
[10:43] <Goliath23> hi
[10:43] <Contrast> Admiral_Chicago: ?
[10:43] <Linux_Galore> what I do is tell people just to download the koraraa live cd and play with all the compiz stuff, after 10 min they will be bored
[10:43] <Linux_Galore> http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=about
[10:43] <Contrast> I imagine anyone would be bored when using a compositing manager from a Live CD, given how attrociously slow it must be.
[10:43] <Goliath23> kaffeine doesn't show the "digital tv" button anymore for my dvb-t card since the feisty upgrade. any idea what I could do?
[10:44] <Contrast> But I'm just assuming; never actually tried that myself.
[10:44] <eduard> how to make trash link looks like real trash bin? where one cas assigne a pic to it?
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> Contrast: worked fine for me on a P3 machines with a GF4 card, no lag
[10:44] <Admiral_Chicago> Goliath23: not sure, try #ubuntu+1 those are the feisty people
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> Contrast: the kororaa cd is really weird
[10:44] <Contrast> I stand corrected. :-)
[10:44] <ben__> so what does the alpha version (feisty) offer
[10:45] <Linux_Galore> ben__: its mainly an update with some better hardware integration and support
[10:45] <ben__> ok
[10:45] <Contrast> ben__: Xorg 7.2, which is a huge leap forward for compositing managers, supposedly better support for wi-fi (don't use wi-fi so I can't say), easier installation of proprietary audio/video codecs...
[10:45] <Linux_Galore> ben__: you wont be missing much if all your hardware works
[10:47] <ben__> can't the other versions xorg be updates
[10:47] <Contrast> ben__: If I can offer one bit of advice: Don't listen to the people who tell you Beryl is just frivolous eye-candy. Its usability aspects are incredible. ;-)
[10:47] <ben__> updated to 7.2???
[10:47] <Linux_Galore> ben__: not really, you will have to do the update
[10:47] <Linux_Galore> ben__: for the whole system
[10:48] <Contrast> Hmm... Good question. Since Dapper is LTS, why aren't they releasing Xorg 7.2 as an update for it?
[10:48] <ben__> whats so special about beryl???
[10:48] <ben__> i though because it wsa LTS everything would be upradable
[10:48] <Contrast> ben__: http://www.beryl-project.org/features.php
[10:48] <Linux_Galore> Contrast: lts isnt about cutting edge software its about being stable and up_to_date
[10:48] <ben__> upgradable*
[10:49] <tmbg_> I thought LTS was about security updates really.
[10:49] <tmbg_> not the latest and greatest software on an old OS.
[10:49] <Linux_Galore> s/its/dappt/
[10:49] <Contrast> That's just the tip of the iceberg though. There are other features not listed there.
[10:49] <Linux_Galore> grr
[10:49] <raffytaffy> 3 year desktop support 5 year server support
[10:49] <Linux_Galore> s/its/dapper/
[10:49] <ben__> ow must it be old if it's getting "updates"???
[10:49] <Contrast> !s/lts/dapper/
[10:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about s/lts/dapper/ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:49] <Contrast> Hmm
[10:49] <raffytaffy> !lts
[10:49] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[10:50] <jinchengxm>    
[10:50] <Linux_Galore> !cn
[10:50] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[10:50] <ben__> i think everything shouldbe upgradable
[10:50] <wolferine> really having a hard time copy between two reiser partitions, can someone help me troubleshoot the issue, I have already run smartctl and I havent found an issue
[10:50] <ben__> nd maintained forever
[10:51] <raffytaffy> 
[10:51] <raffytaffy> 
[10:51] <ben__> ith just updates and patches
[10:51] <CarinArr> uhm.
[10:51] <raffytaffy> lol
[10:51] <raffytaffy> its jap.
[10:51] <ben__> instead of a whole new OS
[10:51] <CarinArr> if you want a whole new os that is barely upated for 6 years, go for windows
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> ben__: aah, enterprise releases are not about the "latest" apps its about stability, security and long term support
[10:52] <Linux_Galore> ben__: edgy and feisty are not enterprise releases thus they get all the new toys
[10:53] <Linux_Galore> ben__: that may or may not break
[10:53] <ben__> ok
[10:53] <c1|freaky> im on feisty and ill upgrade my server to feisty as soon as its out for arround 2 weeks ;D
[10:53] <Contrast> Personally, I think the whole stability aspect of LTS's is overrated. I used Edgy for six months and never ran into any major issues, and this was with such risky behavior as adding unofficial third party repositories and installing Beryl.
[10:53] <ben__> why does my screen go blank when configuring beryl. Did i do something wrong???
[10:54] <Contrast> Finally. Glad someone can agree with me on something. :-D
[10:54] <Linux_Galore> Contrast: I have a nice long list of bugs in edgy, many that are still not fixed
[10:54] <c1|freaky> Linux_Galore: do you have it online somewhere?
[10:54] <c1|freaky> Linux_Galore: are they still not fixed in feisty?
[10:54] <raffytaffy> i will take it further infact ; my dapper was less stable then my edgy
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> c1|freaky: well I just played with fesity and the filter icon bug is still there
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> on kmail
[10:55] <CarinArr> my edgy's are very stable
[10:55] <CarinArr> however, for some reason my wireless isn't connected on startup
[10:55] <Contrast> Linux_Galore: I've noted a couple bugs in Edgy that I'm still seeing in Feisty, but I'm pretty sure I remember them from the month or two I used Dapper as well.
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> I havent gone though all the apps yet in feisty to see how many bugs have been patched
[10:55] <CarinArr> even tho there's no problem connecting wlassistant as soon as i've logged in
[10:56] <raffytaffy> my feisty more stable and fast then edgy
[10:56] <CarinArr> and all the settings in the network section of kcontrol are right
[10:56] <Linux_Galore> feisty is pretty much the same speed wise for me
[10:57] <CarinArr> feisty is released in the next few weeks isn't it?
[10:57] <Linux_Galore> I use kwlan in edgy and it worked a treat
[10:57] <Contrast> Does anyone here experience the bug where clicking on a link to an application sometimes results in the application not loading (i.e., launch feedback times out), and you have to click it one or two more times before it finally launches?
[10:57] <Linux_Galore> CarinArr: yep
[10:58] <CarinArr> Contrast: edgy or feisty? cause edgy: yep
[10:58] <raffytaffy> whats after feisty? strolling squierl?
[10:58] <CarinArr> something g you'd think
[10:58] <Linux_Galore> c1|freaky: kmail still has a bug for adding a custom filter were you want to add an icon to your menu bar
[10:58] <ben__> guys wats svn???
[10:58] <CarinArr> ben__: it's a versin control system
[10:59] <CarinArr> add spelling
[10:59] <Contrast> Subversion, a means of distributing and getting the latest, bleeding edge version of software.
[10:59] <Linux_Galore> ben__: its a special server were developers put their code
[10:59] <eduard> guys, how can i see my kubunta laptop from windows laptop by wireless connection?
[10:59] <ben__> which is best to install beryl AIGLX, XGL or SVN
[10:59] <eduard> please any one
[10:59] <ben__> ???
[10:59] <Contrast> ben__: Depends on your system.
[10:59] <ben__> wats the di???
[10:59] <Contrast> ben__: SVN is deprecated though.
[11:00] <Linux_Galore> eduard: sshd on the laptop and putty on the windows machine
[11:00] <Contrast> ben__: They've since moved to GIT.
[11:00] <Contrast> ben__: And I don't think either is available for Dapper anyway. Just the "stable" release.
[11:00] <ben__> AIGLX or XGL
[11:00] <Contrast> ben__: What vdeocard do you use?
[11:00] <eduard> Linux_Galore - sshd?
[11:00] <ben__> which one is more stable???\
[11:01] <Contrast> ben__: What videocard do you use?
[11:01] <ben__> ATI Mobility
[11:01] <ben__> 64MB
[11:01] <Linux_Galore> eduard:   secure shell,  allows you to login from another machine
[11:01] <Contrast> :-)
[11:01] <Contrast> ben__: XGL
[11:01] <ben__> ok
[11:01] <eduard> Linux_Galore - step by step please, what shall i do?
[11:01] <ben__> is the performance good??
[11:02] <Contrast> ben__: It varies. To be honest, I would imagine it wouldn't be great on Dapper, but I can't speak from experience.
[11:02] <CarinArr> it probably wouldn't be fantastic on a 64mb ati mobility card either;)
[11:03] <ben__> do u know how BIND name server wok???
[11:03] <Contrast> ben__: I use XGL on my laptop, which has a piss poor onboard ATI card and uses Kubuntu Edgy, and Beryl runs acceptably on it.
[11:03] <Linux_Galore> eduard:   sudo apt-get install openssh-server  then install putty in windows
[11:03] <AJIEXA111> hi all
[11:03] <ben__> hi
[11:03] <Contrast> Hello
[11:04] <ben__> BIND Name Server. Can it set up name own www.
[11:04] <ben__> .com site
[11:04] <ben__> ???
[11:04] <Linux_Galore> eduard: putty -> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.htm
[11:04] <eduard> Linux_Galore - thanks, will try
[11:05] <AJIEXA111> I hame mini problem ... anytime my my system use harddisk and worked like GENERATOR what it may be ???
[11:05] <Contrast> Well, I'm heading off. ben__, if you run into problems with Beryl, you can always get help over at #beryl # irc.freenode.org or forum.beryl-project.org.
[11:05] <Contrast> @ irc.freenode.org*
[11:05] <epimeth> I tried downloading the jigdo version of feisty beta, but I'm missing 4 packages!  so I tried again thinking "they must have been updated"... but the same ones aren't downloading.  anyone else attempt/succeed a jigdo download?
[11:05] <hyper_ch> ben__: no
[11:05] <eduard> Linux_Galore - link doesnt work
[11:05] <wolferine> nite
[11:05] <hyper_ch> ben__: well, depends on what you mean by "can it set up name own www."
[11:05] <eduard> ...l
[11:05] <Linux_Galore> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
[11:06] <ben__> thanks contrast
[11:06] <Contrast> Peace
[11:06] <ben__> really appreciate it
[11:06] <Contrast> No problem
[11:06] <eduard> Linux_Galore - thanks man
[11:06] <ben__> i wanna run a site from my home so that people can view it
[11:07] <ben__> like a www.yahoo.com
[11:07] <ben__> can it do it???
[11:07] <wolferine> ben__,
[11:07] <wolferine> whats your last name?
[11:07] <wolferine> dover?
[11:07] <Linux_Galore> lol
[11:07] <wolferine> hehe
[11:07] <wolferine> sorry, now off to bed
[11:08] <ben__> dover???
[11:08] <hyper_ch> ben__: you need to register a domain at a registar
[11:08] <Linux_Galore> ben__: you can have any domain you want within your own network, just wont have any effect on the internet though
[11:08] <ben__> so bind aloe cannot do it then
[11:09] <hyper_ch> then you need to register one or two nameservers there
[11:09] <hyper_ch> ben__: and those are handled by bind...
[11:09] <hyper_ch> ben__: depending on the registrar you chose you must have two different IPs
[11:09] <ben__> ok thanks
[11:09] <hyper_ch> ben__: althought here's another way with godaddy
[11:09] <Linux_Galore> ben__: no bind is like having you own phone book locally rather than your apps having look info up of a isp's domain server
[11:09] <ben__> is there any free registry???
[11:09] <hyper_ch> ben__: go to  www.howtoforge.com --> they have a howto with godaddy
[11:10] <Linux_Galore> ben__: bind is great because it speeds your browser up
[11:11] <ben__> whats godaddy???
[11:12] <ben__> you guys are better than all the books and tuts cobine
[11:13] <Linux_Galore> ben__: first you have to register a domain, it can vary depending were you live but the method is the same, go to a domain register website, test a few names  find one you like then pay up
[11:14] <Linux_Galore> ben__: if you have a static IP you can point your domain at your server and off you go
[11:14] <ben__> is it free???
[11:14] <Linux_Galore> ben__: nope
[11:14] <AmyRose> Why is Kubuntu less popular than Ubuntu? Isn't KDE better than GNOME?
[11:15] <AmyRose> Meh, I was joking about KDE being better than GNOME--I do prefer KDE, but it seems GNOME is stealing the popularity KDE has/had or something
[11:15] <ben__> is ubuntu better than kubuntu
[11:15] <AmyRose> They're the same distro
[11:16] <Linux_Galore> ben__: is ford better than gm,  is strawberry better than chocolate
[11:16] <Linux_Galore> ben__: its a personal thing
[11:16] <AmyRose> But I thought Ubuntu and Kubuntu were the same distro with different default interfaces ;P
[11:17] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: same base system with different desktop enviroments
[11:17] <eduard> question - why do i need hda2 for if home directory on hda1?
[11:17] <AmyRose> Yup, that's what I meant, Linux_Galore
[11:18] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: there is also xubuntu
[11:18] <AmyRose> I love xubuntu on Pentiums
[11:18] <eduard> is it just like additional storage?
[11:18] <ben__> can i build m own free registrar
[11:18] <ben__> ???
[11:18] <AmyRose> eduard, How did you partition your hard drive?
[11:18] <eduard> AmyRose is xubuntu better then kubuntu?
[11:18] <Linux_Galore> eduard: I dare say your talking about swap, its like virtual disk ram in windows
[11:18] <ben__> wat do i need??? Will u guys suport me???
[11:19] <AmyRose> eduard, if you have a Pentium, I'd recommend it. Pentium II's and up are good for Kubuntu
[11:19] <Linux_Galore> ben__: no, donains are managed by ICAN
[11:19] <AmyRose> I know because I run Kubuntu just fine on my Pentium II
[11:19] <Linux_Galore> domains*
[11:20] <Linux_Galore> I wouldnt use kubuntu/ubuntu on a PII,  xubuntu for sure
[11:20] <ben__> ok
[11:20] <eduard> AmyRose in storage Media list i see 7.3G Media (hda1) and 8.0 G Media (hda2)
[11:20] <ben__> i wisk there was a free registrar
[11:20] <AmyRose> eduard, but you have control over that
[11:20] <eduard> and XP , which is unreachable
[11:20] <ben__> there would be a lot more resources and sites on the net
[11:21] <kvarchil> when i update entire distro with dist-upgrade, will old packages stay or they will be replaced?
[11:21] <ben__> thanks guys for ur help and patients, gonna try beryl now
[11:21] <AmyRose> eduard, you should make a ~15G hda1 and 1G hda2
[11:21] <eduard> AmyRose - i have pentium4 on HP Pavilion, quit noisy* one
[11:21] <Linux_Galore> ben__: they have no issueswith getting millions of people every month to register new domains with the system they have
[11:21] <eduard> AmyRose - it did auto
[11:22] <kvarchil> when i update entire distro with dist-upgrade, will old packages stay or they will be replaced?
[11:22] <eduard> AmyRose it was done by system while installation
[11:22] <AmyRose> eduard, do you have a swap partition?
[11:22] <Linux_Galore> kvarchil: replaced
[11:22] <stamen> hi
[11:22] <stamen> I have one dummy question
[11:22] <stamen> :)
[11:22] <kvarchil> cool
[11:22] <eduard> AmyRose - i hope i do, how can i check it, please?
[11:22] <AmyRose> eduard, type this into a terminal to check: free -m
[11:22] <stamen> why the clock didn't adjust automaticaly
[11:23] <AmyRose> eduard, if it says anything about you having swap space, you have swap
[11:23] <Linux_Galore> stamen: dont worry you have a 3 dumb questions limit
[11:23] <Linux_Galore> stamen: :-)
[11:23] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[11:23] <stamen> I have configured it to change the time by it self but it not work
[11:23] <stamen> :)
[11:23] <ins-dragonclaw> nice limit
[11:23] <eduard> AmyRose i do have it
[11:23] <stamen> Linux_Galore: yes very funny :)
[11:23] <AmyRose> How much, eduard ?
[11:23] <eduard> 337
[11:23] <eduard> and all unused
[11:24] <AmyRose> 337 MB?
[11:24] <eduard> i mean free AmyRose
[11:24] <stamen> this function is not working as I see
[11:24] <eduard> i suppose
[11:24] <Linux_Galore> stamen: configured what to change the time by itself ?
[11:24] <stamen> yes
[11:24] <stamen> from server
[11:24] <AmyRose> eduard, the -m option makes it show that in MB
[11:24] <Linux_Galore> stamen: you mean ntp ?
[11:24] <stamen> yes
[11:25] <eduard> AmyRose - 337 , but no letters Mb or others
[11:25] <Linux_Galore> stamen: have you made sure your router/firewall allows it
[11:25] <stamen> here in bulgaria we have two times
[11:25] <eduard> ok i got it
[11:25] <AmyRose> eduard, I know. -m makes it show that in megabytes, no label
[11:25] <eduard> than 337 MB
[11:25] <stamen> I am not using firewall or router
[11:25] <eduard> enough?
[11:25] <eduard> AmyRose, enough 337?
[11:26] <Linux_Galore> stamen: do you have ntpd running
[11:26] <ins-dragonclaw> i have 705 total, 32 used and 673 free
[11:26] <AmyRose> eduard, type in cat /proc/swaps and let's see which partition you're using
[11:26] <stamen> Linux_Galore: wait to see
[11:26] <ins-dragonclaw> your swap should be 2x to 3x the size of your ram
[11:26] <kvarchil> Linux_Galore: and will my options stay after that upgrade? i mean firefox etc ...
[11:26] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, that rule is obsolete now
[11:26] <ins-dragonclaw> it serves me well :)
[11:26] <stamen> Linux_Galore: as I see in process table, it is not runnig
[11:27] <AmyRose> Well, yeah, but it doesn't matter anymore
[11:27] <ins-dragonclaw> and i'm not repartitioning anything, lol
[11:27] <eduard> AmyRose hda6
[11:27] <stamen> Linux_Galore: how to start it and after boot to start it again by it self
[11:27] <AmyRose> It's a good rule, but it isn't enforced anymore
[11:27] <ins-dragonclaw> i know
[11:27] <graaaugrg> hi
[11:27] <AmyRose> eduard, ok. what are each of your partitions used for?
[11:27] <eduard> AmyRose i dont get it , how many partitions was done?
[11:28] <AmyRose> eduard, the way to find out is fdisk -l (that's the letter L, not a 1)
[11:28] <AmyRose> actually, eduard, sudo fdisk -l (you need to be root)
[11:28] <eduard> AmyRose - have no idea, i have 2 partitions - One for Windows XP, other for Linux-kubuntu
[11:28] <eduard> ok i will
[11:28] <AmyRose> It'll tell you, eduard
[11:29] <stamen> Linux_Galore: are u there
[11:29] <ins-dragonclaw> hmm... i have 3 partitions. I thought i only needed 2?
[11:29] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, 1 is the minimum you can get away with ;P
[11:30] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[11:30] <AmyRose> you can use a swap file instead of a swap partition
[11:30] <ins-dragonclaw> obviously
[11:30] <AmyRose> But 2 is the recommended minimum
[11:30] <ins-dragonclaw> I just figured out i'm running on 8mb video ram
[11:30] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[11:30] <eduard> AmyRose - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11971/
[11:31] <ins-dragonclaw> that's like ... painting your screen manually...
[11:32] <CarinArr> 8mb video ram.. fantastic;)
[11:32] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah
[11:32] <CarinArr> you running beryl as well?;)
[11:32] <ins-dragonclaw> here's the kicker: it's shared
[11:32] <Linux_Galore> stamen: sorry phone,  /etc/init.d/ntpd  start
[11:32] <ins-dragonclaw> hells no
[11:32] <AmyRose> Beryl rocks!
[11:32] <eduard> AmyRose - does it help?
[11:32] <stamen> aa ok
[11:32] <stamen> Linux_Galore: I will try now
[11:32] <AmyRose> Yes, it does, eduard. I'm just reading it and thinking
[11:32] <Linux_Galore> stamen: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/NTP.html   for more help
[11:32] <eduard> AmyRose, thanks will not forth you
[11:32] <ins-dragonclaw> ooh. old HDD :P
[11:33] <AmyRose> eduard, huh?
[11:33] <ins-dragonclaw> force*
[11:33] <ins-dragonclaw> i think
[11:33] <ins-dragonclaw> Use the forth, Luke!
[11:33] <CarinArr> how do you find a card with 8mb of graphics memory
[11:33] <eduard> AmyRose, i mean sorry for bothering you befor you answer to me
[11:33] <stamen> Linux_Galore: 10x I will read it now
[11:33] <ins-dragonclaw> CarinArr: Magic
[11:33] <stamen> Linux_Galore: and 10x for the help
[11:33] <ins-dragonclaw> it's an onboard graphics card, using my ram as its memory
[11:34] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah, bite me
[11:34] <AmyRose> eduard, Relax. This is a hobby. I enjoy Linux. I'm not even in something related to computers at all in college, so really, I like this.
[11:34] <ins-dragonclaw> dead dead dead
[11:34] <Linux_Galore> CarinArr: ??, are you looking for a card in your system
[11:34] <eduard> AmyRose - just wandering why so many partitions where created...?
[11:34] <eduard> were*
[11:35] <ins-dragonclaw> it's linux
[11:35] <AmyRose> eduard, hda1 is your Windows partition.
[11:35] <eduard> ok
[11:35] <AmyRose> What I don't understand, eduard, is why you have 2 swap partitions
[11:35] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[11:35] <Eruantalon> How do I configure the expos function? I had it but after upgrading beryl packages nothing happens when i move the cursor to the upper right corner... How do I enable it aghain?
[11:35] <eduard> AmyRose - hda5 and 6? have no idea
[11:35] <Linux_Galore> yeah, you only need one swap per system
[11:35] <AmyRose> eduard, can you please paste up the output of df -Th ?
[11:36] <eduard> one sec
[11:36] <AmyRose> Just want to see where your partitions are mounted.
[11:36] <ins-dragonclaw> one ...  two ... three ...
[11:36] <CarinArr> Eruantalon: it's in beryl-settings
[11:36] <AmyRose> and how big they are
[11:36] <ins-dragonclaw> four ... five ... six
[11:36] <ins-dragonclaw> seven ... eight ... nine
[11:36] <Eruantalon> CarinArr: Where?
[11:36] <eduard> AmyRose http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11974/
[11:36] <Eruantalon> What's it called?
[11:37] <CarinArr> 1 sec
[11:37] <CarinArr> shortcuts
[11:37] <CarinArr> under general options, the screen edges
[11:37] <Eruantalon> Hmm window picker apparantly
[11:37] <Linux_Galore> dont run beryl on a 8mb graphics card ffs
[11:37] <Eruantalon> thanks
[11:37] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[11:37] <ins-dragonclaw> Linux_Galore: that much is obvious to me
[11:38] <CarinArr> rephrasing: general options->shortcts->screen edges
[11:38] <CarinArr> ;)
[11:38] <Eruantalon> Found it thanks!
[11:38] <CarinArr> good good
[11:38] <eduard> AmyRose - so hda4 is root disk, right?
[11:39] <AmyRose> Hmm...reiserfs. Nice.
[11:39] <eduard> why? :)
[11:39] <eduard> good? or ...?
[11:39] <AmyRose> My friend maco calls it MurdererFS because she hates Hans Reiser, though
[11:39] <eduard> i heared reiserfs is better
[11:39] <AmyRose> Yes, it is.
[11:39] <AmyRose> For most things.
[11:40] <AmyRose> I just prefer ext3 because I'm more comfortable with that
[11:40] <Linux_Galore> eduard: when you run top  do you see swap up the top ?? and does it show a size other than 0
[11:40] <eduard> i heared about this guy - hi cilled his wife or somthing like this, but hi is a good programmer though
[11:40] <Tednjgfs> Hi does anyone know what this means? error while loading shared libraries /usr/lib/libkutils.so.1 invalid elf header
[11:40] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm punishing my machine...
[11:40] <cam8001> eduard do you mean hans reiser?
[11:41] <AmyRose> Tednjgfs, yes, it means the library is corrupted and needs to be reinstalled
[11:41] <eduard> one who invent this file system
[11:41] <eduard> what top dose?
[11:41] <cam8001> do aptitude uninstall libkutils
[11:41] <Linux_Galore> reiserfs offers no real advantages anymore, it uses more cpu resources than ext3 and xfs and jfs and doesnt offer much in extra speed when compared to the latest release of ext3
[11:41] <eduard> AmyRose i see swap: 345324k total
[11:42] <cam8001> ext3 is pissing me off with it's constant checks for integrity
[11:42] <tmbg_> Linux_Galore, plus you support a serial killer when you use reiser.
[11:42] <AmyRose> Is any of it in use?
[11:42] <cam8001> like every 3rd boot
[11:42] <Tednjgfs> AmyRose: thank you.
[11:42] <Tednjgfs> Which ones?
[11:42] <Tednjgfs> kdelibs?
[11:42] <ins-dragonclaw> lol tmbg_
[11:43] <Linux_Galore> the fs to keep an eye on is ZFS, some of the stuff on ZFS is just mind blowing
[11:43] <CarinArr> is there any way to check how much video memory is currently being used (using an nvidia card)
[11:43] <eduard> Linux_Galore - are you sure about it?
[11:43] <AmyRose> Tednjgfs, dpkg -S /usr/lib/libkutils.so.1 will tell you what package to reinstall
[11:43] <Tednjgfs> doesn't
[11:43] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo dpkg ...
[11:43] <Linux_Galore> eduard: your pastbin looks like a system that doesnt have swap running
[11:44] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, you don't need to be root for the querying options
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[11:44] <eduard> top show me 208k used of swap
[11:44] <ins-dragonclaw> dpkg -S didn't work
[11:44] <Linux_Galore> eduard: ok then its working
[11:44] <eduard> Linux_Galore - what shall i do?
[11:45] <eduard> ah ok
[11:45] <AmyRose> Tednjgfs, dpkg -S /usr/lib/libkutils.so.1 tells me it's kdelibs4c2a
[11:45] <ins-dragonclaw> prefixing with 'sudo' is usually my first attempt at solution :)
[11:45] <tmbg_> Tednjgfs, if you do ls -l /usr/lib/libkutils.so.1 and run 'file' against the output of that, it should tell you some information about the library like maybe it's for the wrong platform or some nonsense
[11:45] <Tednjgfs> ah ok kdelibs4
[11:45] <Tednjgfs> ok
[11:45] <AmyRose> kdelibs4c2a
[11:45] <Linux_Galore> eduard: ?? 208k of swap,  are you sure sound a bit small
[11:45] <AmyRose> dpkg -S will tell you what package installed a particular file
[11:45] <ins-dragonclaw> err
[11:45] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah
[11:46] <ins-dragonclaw> I almost uploaded a 16 million terabyte file last night
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> eduard: mine shows Swap:   746980k total,    81768k used,   665212k free,   208276k cached
[11:46] <ins-dragonclaw> so i suppose anything is possible, Linux_Galore
[11:46] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, What?
[11:46] <ins-dragonclaw> AmyRose: yeah. wait, I'll try fetching the log
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> eduard: in top
[11:46] <eduard> how much RAM do you have, Linux_Galore?
[11:47] <Linux_Galore> eduard: 1g
[11:47] <eduard> me too
 Asking ubotu to accept upload of "Kubuntu" (16,755,154.0 TB)
[11:47] <eduard> in top, Linux_Galore, i see: Swap:   345324k total,      208k used,   345116k free,   542964k cached
[11:48] <eduard> Linux_Galore - tell me is it bad?
[11:48] <ins-dragonclaw> it's very good
[11:48] <Linux_Galore> eduard: no, seems ok
[11:48] <AmyRose> Yeah, it means your swap is barely in use
[11:48] <AmyRose> I mean it's good
[11:48] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[11:48] <AmyRose> I was agreeing with ins-dragonclaw
[11:49] <AmyRose> that's why I said "Yeah"
[11:49] <Linux_Galore> eduard: I have allot of stuff running
[11:49] <ins-dragonclaw> i like how you went from technical terms to "I mean it's good"
[11:49] <CarinArr> lol
[11:49] <eduard> but i have only 98M free  of RAM, and i have 1 G
[11:49] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, I'm not a typical geek ;P
[11:49] <ins-dragonclaw> heheh
[11:49] <ins-dragonclaw> neither am I
[11:49] <eduard> why kubuntu use so much ram?
[11:49] <AmyRose> I'm going into K-12 education, not IT or CS ;P
[11:49] <ins-dragonclaw> ah
[11:49] <CarinArr> eduard: what does free give you
[11:50] <CarinArr> eduard: i.e. type "free" in a terminal
[11:50] <ins-dragonclaw> well, I can honestly say i have about 4 days experience with linux
[11:50] <ins-dragonclaw> total
[11:50] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, I have 3 years total
[11:50] <eduard> CarinArr - Mem:       1034600     939340      95260          0      45840     543356
[11:50] <ins-dragonclaw> now there's the difference
[11:50] <tmbg_> trying to ./configure xchat 2.8.0 so I can build the blasted thing. I get 'checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.3... no'. when I poke around for libglib I find /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.1200.4 and libglib-2.0.so.0 links to that. 2.0.12.4 is bigger than 2.0.3, so what gives?
[11:50] <AmyRose> Wednesday is the 3-year anniversary of the day I dumped Windows for good
[11:50] <ins-dragonclaw> lol - you keep track of that>
[11:51] <ins-dragonclaw> I didn't even bother writing the date down... ;)
[11:51] <Linux_Galore> eduard: type  free -m   read the second number down in the "free" column
[11:51] <ins-dragonclaw> but you know what sucks, AmyRose?
[11:51] <ins-dragonclaw> every time i use another pc in this city, it's running XP
[11:51] <ins-dragonclaw> and xp feels primitive compared to kubuntu
[11:51] <AmyRose> Heck yeah
[11:51] <CarinArr> eduard: if you want a more accurate estimate subtract the buffers and cached from the total used
[11:51] <ins-dragonclaw> every day is a struggle ... lol
[11:51] <eduard> Linux_Galore Mem: free 92
[11:52] <AmyRose> and Vista is primitive and fat compared to Kubuntu+Beryl
[11:52] <ins-dragonclaw> oooh wait
[11:52] <ins-dragonclaw> Vista
[11:52] <anti_pop> can krusader show thumbnails of my pictures ?
[11:52] <ins-dragonclaw> there's something you have to see... let me see if i can find it
[11:52] <CarinArr> ack, let's not even talk about vista;)
[11:52] <Linux_Galore> eduard: no thats your mem that isnt being used not including the cache,  second one down removes the cache
[11:52] <ins-dragonclaw> I have a roommate who beta-tested vista
[11:52] <ins-dragonclaw> terribly proud of it
[11:52] <ins-dragonclaw> so i watched him use it for a few hours
[11:53] <ins-dragonclaw> Conclusion: Vista is insecure
[11:53] <AmyRose> emphasizing the word "terribly", huh?
[11:53] <CarinArr> whenever i run vista i feel like i'm beta testing it ecause of all the stupid problems i come across
[11:53] <ins-dragonclaw> keeps asking if it's ok to do anything
[11:53] <anti_pop> someone here using krusader ?
[11:53] <Madeye> on fresh edgy installation i'm getting this weird locales error, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11975/ anyone can help please?
[11:53] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah - he's so proud of it, he doesn't even konsider ( :) ) the fact that linux could be better
[11:53] <AmyRose> I actually never used XP on any of my computers.
[11:53] <AmyRose> The last version of Windows I ever ran was 98
[11:53] <CarinArr> i love the way you can get a vista experience score
[11:53] <anti_pop> superb linux users
[11:54] <ins-dragonclaw> bah
[11:54] <CarinArr> based on your hardware
[11:54] <eduard> Linux_Galore please hava look and tell me which one did you mean http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11977/
[11:54] <ins-dragonclaw> you need a graphics card to play solitare
[11:54] <Linux_Galore> eduard: basically you add the cache to your free mem and thats how much you have left over
[11:54] <cam8001> xp is not too bad really
[11:54] <ins-dragonclaw> minimum of 1.0, and that's like 128mb
[11:54] <AmyRose> XP's license is what sucks about it, cam8001
[11:54] <ins-dragonclaw> xp's ok, but so far kubuntu is beating it. for me, anyway
[11:54] <cam8001> if ms would just stop treating their customers like idiots/criminals it would be a lot better
[11:54] <tmbg_> it's fun to knock windows, but there's still plenty of junk that's difficult in linux. flash on amd64 for example takes jumping through some hoops.
[11:54] <kevin> hey madeye. that is reaalllllllyyy strange
[11:54] <cam8001> AmyRose, I totally agree
[11:54] <ins-dragonclaw> license? >_>
[11:54] <eduard> 668? Linux_Galore
[11:54] <kevin> but i really dont know how to solve this by now
[11:54] <Linux_Galore> eduard: yep 668mb of free ram
[11:55] <ins-dragonclaw> what -license-?
[11:55] <Madeye> kevin, yeah, whenever I want to apt anything I got that error and it doesn't work
[11:55] <eduard> Linux_Galore ah ok, not toooo bad yet :))
[11:55] <ins-dragonclaw> oh well
[11:55] <Madeye> kevin, any idea how to fix it? actually I've follow all instructions and troubleshooting guides in forums
[11:55] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, yes, that activation nonsense
[11:55] <ins-dragonclaw> ah
[11:55] <cam8001> I've decided to just switch my work computer to kubuntu anyway
[11:55] <eduard> Linux_Galore note, i am doing upgrade still in process
[11:55] <ins-dragonclaw> i was poking through my dad's computer the other day
[11:55] <AmyRose> My computers ONLY run Kubuntu.
[11:55] <ins-dragonclaw> came across a really interesting program
[11:55] <cam8001> at home I have to dual boot windows to play civ 4 and hl2 and to keep my gf happy
[11:56] <ins-dragonclaw> WPA_kill.exe
[11:56] <ins-dragonclaw> guess what it does? :)
[11:56] <Linux_Galore> eduard: linuyx tries to use as much ram as possible to make things fast, so you have to add the cache to the un used memory space
[11:56] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, Kills your wireless?
[11:56] <AmyRose> ;P
[11:56] <ins-dragonclaw> sorta
[11:56] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[11:56] <AmyRose> well, I need to use WPA to get my laptop on the Internet at school
[11:56] <ins-dragonclaw> it shut windows up in about 3 seconds
[11:56] <eduard> Linux_Galore manualy? how?
[11:56] <hairy918> Yo all, howzit? I've got a strange issue w/ usb thumb drive on edgy efta - won't mount unless I do a 'rmmod ehci_hcd'. Sound familiar to anybody?
[11:56] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[11:57] <Linux_Galore> eduard: no,  the kernel does it automatically
[11:57] <AmyRose> hairy918, Yes
[11:57] <AmyRose> hairy918, I used to have that problem before
[11:57] <Linux_Galore> eduard: trust me you dont have an ram issues
[11:57] <AmyRose> hairy918, you need to blacklist that module
[11:57] <Linux_Galore> any*
[11:57] <eduard> Linux_Galore ah ok, so there no problem, thanks man, appreciat you help
[11:58] <hairy918> AmyRose: just stick that module in /etc/blacklist?
[11:58] <raffytaffy> hmm im thinking of goin xeon dual core for desktop
[11:58] <eduard> appreciate*
[11:58] <ins-dragonclaw> what IRCd does freenode use?
[11:58] <CarinArr> my new laptop is dual core
[11:58] <ins-dragonclaw> oh
[11:58] <CarinArr> with 2gb ram
[11:58] <Assimilator> hey guys
[11:58] <ins-dragonclaw> they need host cloaking...
[11:58] <Linux_Galore> eduard: it can be a bit daunting when you first use "free" and you see all your ram is gone, what i didnt know is you have to add the cache to whats free and thats how much you have spare
[11:58] <CarinArr> \o/
[11:58] <tmbg_> ins-dragonclaw, whatever they use is patched and hacked a bunch
[11:58] <AmyRose> hairy918, no, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[11:59] <ins-dragonclaw> hyperion-1.0.2b
[11:59] <kevin> madeye, i think your dpkg-configuraiotn file has a problem....
[11:59] <ins-dragonclaw> Unreal is still the best
[11:59] <tmbg_> ins-dragonclaw, e.g. their gpg stuff is all junk they added.
[11:59] <ins-dragonclaw> imho
[11:59] <kevin> hmm, i try to find out where its located
[11:59] <AmyRose> just add a line that says "blacklist ehci_hcd" and you should be all set
[11:59] <tmbg_> and they don't cloak all hosts but I notice a lot of junk is.
[11:59] <hairy918> AmyRose: oh yeah, that's what I meant. Cool, I'll give it a try - thx!
[11:59] <kevin> then i can edit it
[11:59] <Linux_Galore> eduard: the second number in the free  column shows that
[11:59] <ins-dragonclaw> now they can integrate host cloaking and make life easier for all of us :)
[11:59] <kevin> but by now, u could change your sources.list
[11:59] <AmyRose> hairy918, You're welcome. It disables USB 2.0 and makes everything at USB 1.1 speed, but at least everything will work
[11:59] <kevin> and mybe take this source from this site http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[12:00] <ins-dragonclaw> lol - +x is an unknown flag...
[12:00] <Linux_Galore> a+x
[12:00] <Assimilator> need some help running MSN video from firefox i've installed every media plugin under the sun and i can't fine one that works
[12:00] <hairy918> AmyRose: Ah! So is this a wierdness w/ my mobo, or my kernel, or the thumb drive, or what?
[12:00] <tmbg_> maybe they turned it off or broke it or something.
[12:00] <tmbg_> I used to see more people have cloaked hosts.
[12:00] <AmyRose> hairy918, your USB controller
[12:00] <eduard> Linux_Galore so back to issie with hda"s - why do i have 6 hda, and why hda2 is not in use ?
[12:00] <ins-dragonclaw> turning it off isn't really clever
[12:00] <kevin> msn videos =m$ media player based?
[12:01] <ins-dragonclaw> host cloaking is one of the first lines of personal defece
[12:01] <ins-dragonclaw> defence*
[12:01] <hairy918> AmyRose: cool
[12:01] <ins-dragonclaw> I can't find my coffee :(
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> Assimilator: have you got the media connectivity plugin ?
[12:01] <Assimilator> yeah from ninemsn.com.au news streams
[12:01] <AmyRose> hairy918, Cool? It's BROKEN!
[12:01] <tmbg_> ah you know what. I'm thinking of pdpc cloaks.
[12:01] <AmyRose> ;P
[12:01] <ins-dragonclaw> LOL
[12:01] <Assimilator> I thinks so
[12:01] <hackdaddy> the ruby "irb" is running from the terminal command line
[12:01] <hackdaddy> where is it?
[12:01] <AmyRose> But at least you can fix it, hairy918
[12:01] <CarinArr> heh
[12:02] <tmbg_> ins-dragonclaw, that's why I use tor to irc.
[12:02] <tmbg_> and w/ gpg I get the fancier cloak ;)
[12:02] <AmyRose> well, fix it as in "It's working now, even if it's not optimal", hairy918 ;P
[12:02] <ins-dragonclaw> well, my isp has its own proxy
[12:02] <ins-dragonclaw> 196.207.45.253 is nowhere near me :)
[12:02] <Madeye> kevin, any idea how to fix it?
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> eduard: what is hda2 ?  try  fdisk -l
[12:03] <hackdaddy> the ruby "irb" is running from the terminal command line.  where is it?
[12:03] <hairy918> AmyRose: fixing's good! 'Course, I just ordered a usb wifi adapter - maybe I oughta get a new pci usb card
[12:03] <kevin> ok assimilaor u need to install ie6 in your ubuntu to make it work i think
[12:03] <hairy918> AmyRose: 'cool' as in 'oh, that's whats wrong!'
[12:03] <kevin> hey madeye im still trying to find out
[12:03] <CarinArr> hairy918: which one did you go for?
[12:03] <kevin> where this file is located
[12:03] <ins-dragonclaw> hackdaddy's gonna have an aneurysm - someone help him?
[12:03] <kevin> just i sek
[12:03] <CarinArr> cause usb wifi adapters are notoriously messy to get working in general
[12:04] <eduard> it is Linux - Linux_Galore
[12:04] <ins-dragonclaw> Ruby, to me, is a version of pokemon - don't ask me anything about it
[12:04] <AmyRose> hairy918, yeah. I bought one for my Pentium II that has a VIA chipset that works great. However, USB WiFi cards still work in USB 1.1 mode--just a bit slower
[12:04] <hackdaddy> :-) ins-dragonclaw
[12:04] <AmyRose> well, quite a bit slower.
[12:04] <cam8001> my Linksys WL-167g USB wireless works perfectly
[12:04] <eduard> Linux_Galore /dev/hda2           10177       11149     7815622+  83  Linux
[12:04] <Assimilator> install ie6 into kubuntu yuck
[12:04] <cam8001> thank you RA chipset
[12:04] <AmyRose> CarinArr, Belkin USB wifi works GREAT on *ubuntu
[12:04] <Linux_Galore> eduard: aaah ok just looking at your other pastbin, ok you have it mounted as  /media/hda2
[12:04] <Madeye> kevin,  ok, thank you in advance
[12:05] <CarinArr> AmyRose: actually, no.. only if youve got the right version of them;)
[12:05] <AmyRose> CarinArr, I bought a Belkin one that works out of the box on *ubuntu
[12:05] <eduard> Linux_Galore http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11971/
[12:05] <Linux_Galore> eduard:   pastbin     cat /etc/fstab
[12:05] <hairy918> CarinArr: I'll look up the brand (not here yet), but I know its ra2500 chipset - did a quick google scan, I know somebody got it to work!
[12:05] <CarinArr> AmyRose: yeah i know.. i was unfortunate and got one with the wrong version chipset in it
[12:05] <ins-dragonclaw> hackdaddy try #rubyforce
[12:05] <Assimilator> the whole reason i'm trying linux is to get away from microsoft
[12:05] <AmyRose> CarinArr, Oh, that sucks
[12:05] <CarinArr> indeed
[12:06] <CarinArr> then i got something else, and again, v4 instead of 1,2 or 3
[12:06] <AmyRose> Assimilator, me too. I've been Microsoft-free for almost 3 years (Wednesday is the anniversary)
[12:06] <Assimilator> but i want the news stream
[12:06] <eduard> Linux_Galore http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11979/
[12:06] <ins-dragonclaw> did anyone Google for "microsoft + anti trust" yet? :D
[12:06] <AmyRose> Assimilator, have you tried installing the MPlayer Firefox plug-in?
[12:06] <ins-dragonclaw> they've been in trouble since 3.1
[12:06] <CarinArr> ended up having to compile ndiswrapper from source, and writing a startup script to get it working
[12:06] <Assimilator> yeah done all that
[12:07] <hairy918> CarinArr: Zonet ZEW2500P - I've got a zonet bluetooth dongle...
[12:07] <Assimilator> from my XP machien the stream properities seem to be gif
[12:07] <eduard> Linux_Galore does it mean No Swap ?
[12:07] <Linux_Galore> eduard: yep, this is why -> UUID=ada6ee42-5857-4b62-9da2-fefd07c23d70 /media/hda2     reiserfs defaults        0       2
[12:08] <Assimilator> but non of the plugin for firefox have that media extention
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> eduard: looks were its mounted
[12:08] <CarinArr> hairy918: hadn't heard about that one, but if it has a known to work chipset you'd be alright i suppose
[12:08] <CarinArr> maybe i'm just ridiculously unlucky ;)
[12:08] <cam8001> ins-dragonclaw: did you know they have 90% desktop market share and $60bill in cash
[12:09] <eduard> Linux_Galore what do you mean? hda2? what for?
[12:09] <AmyRose> Assimilator, have you installed the win32 codecs?
[12:09] <kevin> this could be interesting... but im still searching
[12:09] <ins-dragonclaw> cam8001: yeah
[12:09] <kevin> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186672
[12:09] <eilker> which mail client comes with kubuntu as default ? kmail ?
[12:09] <Assimilator> win32 codecs hmm i'll check
[12:09] <AmyRose> eilker, yes, KMail
[12:09] <ins-dragonclaw> count in 2005 was 94%, but linux is growing fast
[12:09] <eilker> Assimilator> www.automatix.com very useful script
[12:10] <AmyRose> yes
[12:10] <eduard> Linux_Galore
[12:10] <ins-dragonclaw> unfortunately for M$, almost every webserver on the planet uses unix
[12:10] <eilker> AmyRose> thanx
[12:10] <AmyRose> You're welcome, eilker
[12:10] <ins-dragonclaw> heh. I wondered if Outlook Express would work under wine...
[12:10] <Linux_Galore> eduard:  ok when the kernel boots up it looks in /etc/fstab to figure out were everything is mounted up,  it says that hda2  is mounted as /media/hda2  in your file system
[12:10] <ins-dragonclaw> then i woke up , i guess
[12:11] <cam8001> has anyone tried zcs in a large business environment?
[12:11] <eduard> Linux_Galore why do i need hda2? and is hda4 my root?
[12:11] <Linux_Galore> eduard: looks like you have two over lapping installs
[12:11] <ins-dragonclaw> cam8001: Did you know that M$ planned to pull support for Apple Office, only to 'hurt' them?
[12:11] <cam8001> I'd like to get some groupware software going that wasn't exchange or groupwise
[12:11] <Linux_Galore> eduard: you dont, you also dont need two swaps
[12:11] <hairy918> CarinArr: its gotta be better than the pci one I've got right now - dlink or something I don't remember, lspci shows it as as Marvell Tech, but it just barely works at all.
[12:11] <ins-dragonclaw> leaked memos are awesome
[12:11] <eduard> Linux_Galore yes, i had suse first
[12:11] <kvarchil> after i used dist-upgrade i need to reboot my pc?
[12:11] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, Of course. That's why they do that crap.
[12:11] <Linux_Galore> eduard: you need to merge the partitions
[12:11] <cam8001> ins-dragonclaw: yeah I did. They're total dickwads for sure, don't get me wrong. I just think that saying they're in trouble is not quite accurate
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> lol AmyRose
[12:12] <eduard> Linux_Galore can i fixed it somehow? can i delete  them?
[12:12] <kevin> ok its /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg
[12:12] <kevin> too easy
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> eduard: then remove that line from /etc/fstab
[12:12] <AmyRose> kvarchil, It's recommended to use the GUI instead...
[12:12] <kevin> to see it at once
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> cam8001: as far as Africa is concerned, they're in serious trouble
[12:12] <cam8001> ins-dragonclaw: I think Africa has bigger probs at the moment
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> vista is hardware and dsl-hungry - two things the african computer market does -not- have
[12:12] <kvarchil> wha?
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> cam8001: you have no idea ;)
[12:12] <eduard> Linux_Galore merge partitions, how please?
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: also merge the swap partitions
[12:12] <cam8001> ins-dragonclaw: I've always know that lol
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> oops
[12:13] <eduard> while rebooting?
[12:13] <CarinArr> vista kills my wireless connection ever 30 or so seconds
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:13] <Linux_Galore> eduard: also merge the swap partitions
[12:13] <AmyRose> I have only one swap partition, Linux_Galore ;P
[12:13] <eilker> AmyRose> can we use hotmail via kmail ?
[12:13] <Eruantalon> Hi. How powerful a CPU would you recommend nowadays for a laptop that is going to run Kubuntu with beryl, a few games and probably have a lot of windows open at once(i like to multitask)?
[12:13] <CarinArr> which is just slightly annoying
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> eilker: if it's a paid hotmail account
[12:13] <eduard> Linux_Galore while rebooting?
[12:13] <CarinArr> then it reconnects, renews ip and off you go, for another 30 seconds
[12:13] <cam8001> Eruantalon: just get a core 2 duo
[12:13] <AmyRose> Eruantalon, 1 GHz Pentium 4 at least
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> then you can set it up for pop3 or imap, whatever they use
[12:13] <cam8001> they are htot shit
[12:13] <CarinArr> and this is on a computer that comes with vista preinstalled
[12:13] <Assimilator> that automatix site dont work
[12:13] <eilker> AmyRose> what about yahoo and gmail ?
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> same
[12:14] <jack_> hi
[12:14] <ins-dragonclaw> but gmail allows you to access via kmail
[12:14] <eilker> ins-dragonclaw> what about yahoo and gmail ?
[12:14] <ins-dragonclaw> so long as you have an up-to-date certificate
[12:14] <AmyRose> eilker, GMail can be used with POP3, but you need to run a daemon if you want to use Yahoo with that
[12:14] <cam8001> yahoo you have to pay for pop access I think
[12:14] <waylandbill> Eruantalon: the big factor with a laptop is that they are not easily upgraded so don't go too small in price.
[12:14] <jack_> how can i shut down the kwalletdaemon that keeps asking for storing passwords?
[12:14] <ins-dragonclaw> Gmail should work. check the gmail site for help
[12:14] <Assimilator> I cant see any win32 codecs in the adept repository
[12:14] <Eruantalon> cam8001: How fast of a Core Duo and you shouldn't wait for the quad?
[12:14] <abortd_> ehy not just get gmail?
[12:14] <CarinArr> Eruantalon: you'll want a proper graphics card as well if you're planning on running beryl and games
[12:14] <ins-dragonclaw> jack_: you don't want to do that
[12:14] <abortd_> why*
[12:14] <cam8001> Eruantalon: get the 1.83 I think they're the best value
[12:14] <Madeye> kevin,  I can't find any lead :(
[12:14] <Eruantalon> CarinArr: nVidia Geforce Go 7600 256MB
[12:14] <ins-dragonclaw> but ps -A then kill -9 <pid of kwallet> if you have to
[12:15] <Eruantalon> cam8001: Uh. That just added a 100 $
[12:15] <cam8001> Eruantalon: it doesn't really matter tho, any modern processor will run kubuntu fine
[12:15] <cam8001> Eruantalon: then get the 1.66
[12:15] <CarinArr> Eruantalon: i have that one, bt a 512MB one, all good
[12:15] <Eruantalon> cam8001: Well yeah my athlon 2600+ Is running fine
[12:15] <jack_> ins-dragonclaw: kwallet doesnt work for me, it doesnt store passwords. so to access an app i need to enter passwords twice, for the wallet and then for the app...so
[12:15] <AmyRose> CarinArr, I run Kubuntu nicely on a 333 MHz Pentium II
[12:15] <cam8001> Eruantalon: or whatever it is. You won't notice the difference
[12:15] <Linux_Galore> eduard: sudo  apt-get install qtparted
[12:15] <eduard> i have an issue while upgrading 6.10 to 7.04 - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11980/
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay
[12:16] <CarinArr> AmyRose: i'm presuming you don't use beryl tho;)
[12:16] <Linux_Galore> eduard: that will allow you to fix that all up
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> 'ps -A | grep wal', then kill -9 the pid you get
[12:16] <Linux_Galore> eduard: your machine is fine you just have two un needed partitions
[12:16] <AmyRose> CarinArr, Of course I use Beryl! On my Pentium 4 laptop with Nvidia graphics, though ;P
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> that should make it die. lol
[12:16] <CarinArr> heh
[12:16] <Eruantalon> But as waylandbill said. It is probably a good idea to get the right thing now because upgrading is trouble
[12:16] <jack_> ins-dragonclaw: why do you say i shouldnt do that?
[12:17] <eilker> Linux_Galore> my /home is not seperated , can i use qparted to make it seperate ?
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> well, mine works just fine, and it stores all my passwords for me
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> I just have to unlock it once per app
[12:17] <AmyRose> The one thing that bugs me is that the S3 driver bug was marked FIXED on Malone without them actually committing the stupid fix...
[12:17] <Freeza^> where is the administrator mode button?
[12:17] <eduard> Linux_Galore thanks, i will do it after apgrade , but seems have a problem again
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> bottom right
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> should be
[12:17] <tmbg_> trying to ./configure xchat 2.8.0 so I can build the blasted thing. I get 'checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.3... no'. when I poke around for libglib I find /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.1200.4 and libglib-2.0.so.0 links to that. 2.0.12.4 is bigger than 2.0.3, so what gives? <-- figured it out. I needed libglib2.0-dev  not just libglib2.0
[12:17] <cam8001> Eruantalon: whatever is the best value, go for it. I don;t really know too much anymore, I stopped following that shit obsessively a while back. If I was going to get a lappy i'd get a refrub MacBook and put 2 gigs of ram in it. If you're in the states you can get one for about $1000
[12:17] <jack_> ins-dragonclaw: no but if you look it up in the forums many ppl complain about that
[12:17] <Linux_Galore> eilker: well you have to create a new partition first then copy /home across to the partition then edit /etc/fstab
[12:17] <waylandbill> Freeza^: sometimes you need to scroll down to see it. Like for instance on this widesreen.
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm not complaining ^^
[12:18] <Eruantalon> cam8001: Well I am in Denmark
[12:18] <Tednjgfs1> AmyRose and people. Thanks all fixed.
[12:18] <jack_> ins-dragonclaw: can i make kontact store my password so i dont need to enter it every time i send emails?
[12:18] <CarinArr> only thing that stopped me getting a macbookpro was the ati graphics
[12:18] <AmyRose> You're welcome Tednjgfs1
[12:18] <Tednjgfs1> If only linux was supported sigh!
[12:18] <Freeza^> ahh ok found it thx
[12:18] <eilker> Linux_Galore: what if , i only have one partition at the moment ? can i create a new partition , when i am in system ?
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> *raises his claws and backs off* I have no idea. I can check for it, though
[12:18] <eduard> Linux_Galore upgrade stops 1o minuts befor end - debconf: falling back to frontend: Teletype,Configuring bcm43xx-fwcutter
[12:18] <Eruantalon> cam8001: refrub is that used?
[12:18] <Tednjgfs1> :D
[12:18] <Linux_Galore> eilker: easier just to backup /home to a usb hardisk then do a fresh install
[12:18] <AmyRose> Apple hates us, CarinArr
[12:18] <jack_> ins-dragonclaw: i just sait this issue didnt just happen to me only
[12:19] <waylandbill> Eruantalon: yes. refurbished
[12:19] <Eruantalon> waylandbill: thanks
[12:19] <Tednjgfs1> Well I'm off, its late and  I should be asleep. Thank you again, so much.
[12:19] <eduard> i remember this bcm43xx-fwcutter, i install it for wireless
[12:19] <Freeza^> to be able to manage wireless should i get another kde app?
[12:19] <Tednjgfs1> good day or night to all
[12:19] <AmyRose> you're very welcome Tednjgfs1
[12:19] <Tednjgfs1> :)
[12:19] <cam8001> Eruantalon: not really. Just stuff they can't sell as retail for various reasons
[12:19] <Linux_Galore> eilker: next time you do an install create a /home partition
[12:19] <eilker> Linux_Galore> i have many applications, and servers installed at the moment, and many configrations, it is not solution for me
[12:19] <fdoving> Freeza^: kwlan should work.
[12:19] <AmyRose> That's a lovely way to quit...
[12:19] <cam8001> Eruantalon: stuff is as good as new.
[12:19] <eilker> Linux_Galore> yeah that was my first install
[12:19] <Eruantalon> Where do you get them?
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> jack_: what exactly is wrong? I know that kwallet will ask for a password every time you need to access an app that uses one of the stored passwords
[12:20] <waylandbill> Freeza^: knetworkmanager works nice. It's default on feisty now.
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> ohh wait - is it asking for passwords in kmail>
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> ?
[12:20] <Freeza^> hmm dont think its working because the wireless is assigned at eth1 instead of wlan0
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> like, every time you check mail>
[12:20] <Linux_Galore> eilker: get another hardisk and put /home there, you cant really resize a partion with data on it unless you setup the machine to allow it in the first place
[12:20] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, Not if you just left the password blank during the setup wizard
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> damnit my typing T_T
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> mine are stored and remembered
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> kmail never asks for passwords
[12:21] <ins-dragonclaw> wizard? I don't believe in witchcraft ;P
[12:21] <AmyRose> Ha ha ha...
[12:21] <jack_> ins-dragonclaw: ps -A | grep wal if i do that i dont get a PID just nothing happens, should i do top and catch it from there?
[12:21] <AmyRose> I don't know what's so insecure about not entering a password in KWallet if you're the only user of your computers, though
[12:21] <ins-dragonclaw> nothing insecure at all
[12:21] <AmyRose> and you disable remote log-ins
[12:22] <eduard> AmyRose upgrade simmes to be stoped with message in terminale debconf: falling back to frontend: Teletype
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> jack_: the open app is called 'kwalletmanager' - i have it running right now. if you can't find it with ps - A | grep wal, then go hunting :)
[12:22] <Eruantalon> cam8001: Where do you get those refurbished macbooks?
[12:22] <cam8001> store.apple.com
[12:22] <cam8001> go to the refurb link on the bottom
[12:22] <cam8001> they come and go
[12:22] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: it is when its a laptop
[12:22] <eduard> AmyRose and then : debconf: falling back to frontend: Teletype
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> ins-dragonclaw@Draken:~$ ps -A | grep wal
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw>  4834 ?        00:00:00 kwalletmanager
[12:22] <eduard> AmyRose and then :Configuring bcm43xx-fwcutter
[12:23] <cam8001> my friend got a macbook pro for 50% of it's original price
[12:23] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[12:23] <cam8001> I got an ipod for 33% off
[12:23] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore, not if you NEVER let the laptop out of your sight.
[12:23] <cam8001> I don't think they have any macbooks at the moment
[12:23] <jack_> ins-dragonclaw: it is deleted, but in the syssettings i see the daemon still running, and it asks me still twice per app for a password
[12:23] <Eruantalon> And there is no trouble with them,+
[12:23] <AmyRose> I drag my laptop everywhere and never leave it unattended
[12:23] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: they all say that before they get fired
[12:24] <AmyRose> Meh
[12:24] <ins-dragonclaw> there's the problem, jack_. my wallet works fine, so i've never had to fix it. i'm not really the person to ask here
[12:24] <AmyRose> Or I lock my laptop up before leaving it
[12:24] <AmyRose> I mean at home ;P
[12:24] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:24] <ins-dragonclaw> you need to lock it at home?
[12:24] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[12:25] <AmyRose> Sure. Doesn't everybody lock their doors?
[12:25] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah
[12:25] <eduard> AmyRose - ishould press "more" button in terminal :))
[12:25] <ins-dragonclaw> but if you live in a laptop ... oh never mind :P
[12:25] <AmyRose> I live in a laptop?
[12:25] <AmyRose> O.o
[12:25] <Linux_Galore> I never locked my car or house when I lived in Tasmania
[12:25] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:26] <CarinArr> like a little laptop elf
[12:26] <CarinArr> i'm sure theres one in mine
[12:26] <CarinArr> and it ate my grub the other day
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> you equated locking your laptop to locking a door. So if the door is the laptop, then you live inside :)
[12:26] <AmyRose> But Taz would steal your stuff ;P
[12:26] <AmyRose> lol
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> yep
[12:26] <Linux_Galore> I used to go to the shopping centre and all the cars had open windows lol
[12:26] <Linux_Galore> while parked
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:26] <eduard> Linux_Galore - were it was?
[12:27] <ins-dragonclaw> your car will last 2.312 seconds in south africa, then
[12:27] <Linux_Galore> eduard: Tasmania/ Hobart
[12:27] <eduard> were it is?
[12:27] <CarinArr> centre centre centre
[12:27] <waylandbill> if someone wants in an automobile, it's ridiculously easy to break a window or jam the trunk.
[12:27] <ins-dragonclaw> center = middle
[12:27] <ins-dragonclaw> centre = central place
[12:27] <CarinArr> colour neighbour underground
[12:27] <CarinArr> lol
[12:27] <raffytaffy> anyone runing 2.6.21-rc4 ?
[12:27] <Linux_Galore> eduard: big Island south of Melbourne
[12:27] <AmyRose> Don't you mean undeurground?
[12:27] <AmyRose> ;P
[12:27] <Linux_Galore> eduard: Australia
[12:27] <eduard> wow
[12:28] <CarinArr> cute;)
[12:28] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm running Kubuntu 6.10. don't ask me anything beyond that...
[12:28] <eduard> Linux_Galore so it was, what about now?
[12:28] <ins-dragonclaw> <-- Pretoria, South Africa
[12:28] <AmyRose> Well, the French screwed up British English with their extra U's
[12:28] <ins-dragonclaw> LOL
[12:28] <Linux_Galore> eduard: ??
[12:28] <CarinArr> i was goign to say tomato as well but then realised it's actually spelt the same
[12:28] <eduard> Linux_Galore, ok sorry , were do you live now?
[12:28] <Linux_Galore> eduard: Sydney right now
[12:29] <eduard> Linux_Galore - so you are  carying many keys with you now :))
[12:29] <ins-dragonclaw> my wallet is getting thicker...
[12:29] <Linux_Galore> eduard: not really, I havent been robbed
[12:29] <AmyRose> CGA??? Wow, that's old ;P
[12:29] <ins-dragonclaw> Wonderfoul English...
[12:30] <CarinArr> <- brittified turnip
[12:30] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:30] <AmyRose> <-- loves her American Midwestern way of pronouncing things
[12:30] <ins-dragonclaw> amazing how IRC constantly adds to the dictionary of accepted words
[12:30] <Linux_Galore> eduard: I left the car unlocked for 3 days a few weeks back
[12:30] <ins-dragonclaw> teh and leet are only 2 examples
[12:30] <waylandbill> AmyRose: you're the yankees next third baseman? :-)
[12:31] <AmyRose> No. "Sorry, I don't play baseball. Getting to bases and hitting home runs isn't my thing." <-- Think romance here. (Quote stolen from my best friend...)
[12:31] <ins-dragonclaw> ...lol...
[12:32] <waylandbill> :)
[12:32] <Linux_Galore> eduard: car stripping in Australia isnt a good business anymore because of the way the Tax system works and the fact many cars now have all the parts registered
[12:32] <AmyRose> Oh no! A traitor!
[12:32] <ins-dragonclaw> ubuntu>
[12:32] <ins-dragonclaw> ?
[12:32] <AmyRose> lol
[12:32] <abortd_> i r b0rg
[12:32] <ins-dragonclaw> "Kubuntu, I Am Your Father"
[12:32] <Linux_Galore> heh
[12:32] <eilker_> anyone knows in kmail which port to open for gmail ? 995 ?
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> yes
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> 995 incoming, but i don't know what outgoing is
[12:33] <eilker_> oh ok thanx
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> i doubt it's the standard SMTP 25
[12:33] <jack_> ins-dragonclaw: can i make kwallet be like that that it when it is open all apps have access to it so i dont need to enter password for each application?
[12:33] <waylandbill> eilker: 995 and is ssl too isn't it?
[12:33] <Linux_Galore> <dramatic music> Source Wars , A New License
[12:34] <ins-dragonclaw> is the kwallet icon available in the system tray?
[12:34] <hyper_ch> hiho, how does one encode DVDs to Xvid?
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> hyper_ch: Rip and encode. google for the programs
[12:35] <jack_> ins-dragonclaw: yes
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> I just forgot everything i know about piracy...
[12:35] <Linux_Galore> hyper_ch: k3b 1.0 can do that now
[12:35] <AmyRose> I mean autostarted processes
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> oh? wow
[12:35] <waylandbill> !autostart
[12:35] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[12:35] <hyper_ch> ins-dragonclaw: It took me a while to find a suitable program in windows but haven't done so yet with linux :)
[12:35] <waylandbill> AmyRose: you mean like the kcontrol-autostart?
[12:35] <hyper_ch> Linux_Galore: but I need to get the xvid codec first?
[12:36] <AmyRose> ubotu, kcontrol-autostart results in a bunch of messages at start-up saying there's no Type= line
[12:36] <ubotu> kcontrol-autostart: autostart module for KDE control center. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 268 kB
[12:36] <ins-dragonclaw> jack_: right-click -> Configure Wallet -> Access Control
[12:36] <Linux_Galore> hyper_ch: aaah  install  xine-extracodecs
[12:36] <eilker_> waylandbill> yes it is
[12:36] <hyper_ch> Linux_Galore: thx :)
[12:36] <eilker_> ins-dragonclaw : it is 465 fot smtp
[12:36] <eilker_> *for
[12:36] <ins-dragonclaw> I think you should uncheck "Prompt when an application accesses an open wallet"
[12:37] <ins-dragonclaw> eilker_: ok. but as useful as that is, it's useless when you have your own email server :)
[12:37] <eilker_> ins-dragonclaw> do you _ ? :)
[12:37] <ins-dragonclaw> do i ... what?
[12:37] <ins-dragonclaw> *lost*
[12:37] <ins-dragonclaw> oh
[12:37] <ins-dragonclaw> that
[12:37] <eilker_> ins-dragonclaw> do u have your own email server ?
[12:37] <ins-dragonclaw> I have my own website, email server comes standard
[12:37] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[12:38] <eilker_> ins-dragonclaw> i will do it in my own pc, i mean the mail server
[12:38] <ins-dragonclaw> you'll need a registered domain first, i think
[12:38] <hyper_ch> eilker_: do you have a dedicaed IP?
[12:38] <Linux_Galore> email accounts are like the new AOL CD's of today
[12:38] <ins-dragonclaw> unless eilker@101.63.41.22 is legible to you
[12:38] <Linux_Galore> I must have about 20 email accounts now
[12:39] <ins-dragonclaw> Linux_Galore: 5 is my limit
[12:39] <cam8001> oh ffs now my ipod won't mount properly
[12:39] <cam8001> reboot time
[12:39] <ins-dragonclaw> I just use them to sort out email from different services
[12:39] <Linux_Galore> ins-dragonclaw: most of them are admim or domain admin account that the server spams
[12:39] <hyper_ch> eilker_: if you don't have a dedicated IP and want to operate a email server then you will most likely be blocked by just about anyone :)
[12:39] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:39] <CarinArr> i just have all emails from my domain forwarded to my one email account
[12:39] <eilker_> hyper_ch> nope, i have dynamic ip .
[12:39] <ins-dragonclaw> @ Both
[12:40] <CarinArr> and filtered depending on what address i used
[12:40] <ins-dragonclaw> CarinArr: You can email me at -any- address, and it arrives at my primary account
[12:40] <ins-dragonclaw> i never had a contact@ address, but someone spammed it anyway
[12:40] <eilker_> hyper_ch> it will not be a real work, just to see how to create an e-mail server
[12:40] <parseK> i have kubuntu 7.04 herd 5, how do i update to the beta release, does updating with adept do it?, or do i have to do something else?
[12:40] <CarinArr> yeah same here ins-dragonclaw
[12:40] <hyper_ch> eilker_: oh ok :)
[12:40] <CarinArr> but i don't actually run my own email server
[12:40] <eilker_> :)
[12:40] <hyper_ch> eilker_: but then you won't need a domain either :)
[12:40] <ins-dragonclaw> eilker_: You need a registered domain to point to your (dedicated IP), and a POP3 daemon
[12:41] <hyper_ch> eilker_: well depending on how you want to "test" it
[12:41] <Linux_Galore> yeah, i have a spam account that I use to improve my filter, basically anything that shows up gets added to the spam list
[12:41] <eilker_> i can use no-ip
[12:41] <ins-dragonclaw> All i've ever run from my machine is an IRCd
[12:41] <CarinArr> we have a dedicated ip but i can't really run that sort of server as my darling boyfriend goes around turning off machines that he doesn't want running
[12:41] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:41] <ins-dragonclaw> make him understand
[12:41] <ins-dragonclaw> :D
[12:41] <CarinArr> which is very sodding annoying when you'e sat at work trying to acess stuff you have at home
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[12:42] <Linux_Galore> CarinArr: always use a WRT45G linksys modem with Linux on it and leave it running
[12:42] <hyper_ch> CarinArr: yeah, especially when you have gnump3d installed and suddenly can't listen to your oggs/mp3s anymore at work from home
[12:42] <CarinArr> lol
[12:42] <ins-dragonclaw> hyperflood
[12:42] <Linux_Galore> s/modem/router/
[12:42] <CarinArr> well for me it's my subversion server that's annoying when it's turned off
[12:43] <CarinArr> get to work but can't update my working copy as i can't access the bloody thing
[12:43] <abortd_> what kinda server u all talking about?
[12:43] <hyper_ch> CarinArr: yeah that sux...
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> CarinArr: I used to have a similar issue with a flat mate, I just put the svn servers on a remote server
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> CarinArr: got it free from HP
[12:44] <hyper_ch> Linux_Galore: if you have more free servers I take one :)
[12:44] <CarinArr> Linux_Galore: yeah that'd be one option i suppose.. i could probably set it up at work actually, just haven't got around to figuring out how i would tunnel it through the firewall
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> hyper_ch: just fill out a web form and you have a shell account
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> hyper_ch: with HP
[12:45] <Linux_Galore> hyper_ch: you can even select the OS
[12:45] <CarinArr> we can't even ssh straight to our machines, have to ssh to the firewall, then ssh to machine
[12:45] <hyper_ch> Linux_Galore: where? how?
[12:45] <Linux_Galore> hyper_ch: just google for it, HP have been offering free shell accounts to developers for ages
[12:45] <Linux_Galore> hyper_ch: sun does it too
[12:46] <abortd_> shells for what?
[12:46] <hyper_ch> Linux_Galore: yeah, what is the permitted use?
[12:46] <Linux_Galore> abortd_: research, ie you dont have a set OS on hand they offer a free shell account on a machine that does
[12:48] <Linux_Galore> bbl
[12:48] <abortd_> oh
[12:49] <fafke> nederlands?
[12:49] <fafke> english
[12:49] <fafke> someone?
[12:49] <hyper_ch> I got a strange problem with K3b: track is not formatted for fixed packet size --> I want to burn something on a dvd-rw
[12:49] <waylandbill> abortd_: generally they'll be compile farms. So you can test your code on different distros or archs
[12:50] <abortd_> oh
[12:51] <epimeth> I tried downloading the jigdo version of feisty beta, but I'm missing 4 packages!  so I tried again thinking "they must have been updated"... but the same ones aren't downloading.  anyone else attempt/succeed a jigdo download?
[12:51] <waylandbill> abortd_: sourceforge offers such a service.
[12:51] <jack__> hi can i configure kde like that that in the kicker bar only the minimized windows of desktop 1-3 appear, but not of desktop 4 where unimportant things are?
[12:51] <ins-dragonclaw> jack_: right click and say "Configure Desktops"
[12:51] <Linux_Galore_> waylandbill: not anymore
[12:51] <abortd_> nice
[12:51] <ins-dragonclaw> right-click ON the desktop icons
[12:51] <waylandbill> Linux_Galore_: do to abuse?
[12:51] <fafke> why does my ps2 not work ?
[12:51] <ins-dragonclaw> then change the number of desktops to 3
[12:52] <fafke> why does my ps2 mouse not work ?
[12:52] <Linux_Galore_> waylandbill: no, they decided that funds were better spent on other resources
[12:52] <waylandbill> Linux_Galore_: gotcha
[12:52] <tmbg_> ins-dragonclaw, heh. how high are you? say "configure desktops" is a good one
[12:52] <ins-dragonclaw> well, your watch TELLS the time, doesn't it? :p
[12:53] <waylandbill> ins-dragonclaw, jack_: actually on the desktop background away from any icons present.
[12:53] <Linux_Galore_> waylandbill: also most Universities supply shell accounts and IBM/HP/Sun to name a few offer developer shell accounts on far nicer kit
[12:53] <ins-dragonclaw> waylandbill: I right-click on the little desktop blocks, and i get the option
[12:54] <ins-dragonclaw> or you can right-click on the desktop > Configure Desktop > Multiple Desktops
[12:54] <waylandbill> right. but not on the icons on the desktop.
[12:54] <ins-dragonclaw> no
[12:55] <ins-dragonclaw> no as in 'yes', I agree with you
[12:55] <waylandbill> I see you meant the desktop pager, not the desktop. :-)
[12:55] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:55] <jack__> ins-dragonclaw: waylandbill I FIND THAT option, but in its submenu ic annot configure that only minimized windows of desktops 1-3 appear in the kicker bar; anyway its not so important, just nice feature to have
[12:55] <fafke> someone can help me with my ps2 mice???? :p :p
[12:55] <ins-dragonclaw> My version: "Little Desktop Blocks"
[12:55] <jeroen__> hey
[12:55] <ins-dragonclaw> fafke: plug and pray?
[12:55] <fafke> doesn't work :p
[12:55] <fafke> she works under windows
[12:56] <fafke> but not under kubuntu
[12:56] <ins-dragonclaw> 'she' rofl
[12:56] <fafke> it :p
[12:56] <waylandbill> jack_: oh. no. you can't configure it that way. :-)
[12:56] <ins-dragonclaw> well, i'm no hardware expert
[12:56] <fafke> damn you
[12:56] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:56] <fafke> i'm knew @ linux
[12:56] <eilker_> i get this error, when i am trying for ssh to virtual server // Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)
[12:57] <waylandbill> eilker_: are you using the correct username?
[12:58] <ins-dragonclaw> bbiab
[12:59] <epimeth> I tried downloading the jigdo version of feisty beta, but I'm missing 4 packages!  so I tried again thinking "they must have been updated"... but the same ones aren't downloading.  anyone else attempt/succeed a jigdo download?
[12:59] <andhy> hi - im looking for small help - after upgrade from kubuntu 6.10 to 7.04b i have no sound - is anybody know sth about why it happens ?
[12:59] <eilker_> waylandbill> yes
[01:00] <hsystem-x_> anyone that know the ubuntu irc channel?
[01:00] <epimeth> #ubuntu
[01:00] <abortd_> #ubuntu ?
[01:00] <abortd_> .....
[01:00] <hsystem-x_> i think the same but...
[01:01] <AmyRose> But this one is better, hsystem-x!
[01:01] <hsystem-x_> jaja lol
[01:01] <c1|freaky> can i install ubuntu-desktop when i have kubuntu-desktop installed without problems?
[01:01] <AbortD> raffytaffy: !!!!
[01:02] <AbortD> i should probable download super karamba now
[01:02] <eilker_> i get this error, when i am trying for ssh to virtual server // Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive) any idea ?
[01:04] <AmyRose> Is that a fence or a nick, ioioioi ?
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> and the crowds went silent
[01:04] <waylandbill> :-S
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> ioioioi is a gate
[01:04] <AmyRose> Ah.
[01:04] <AmyRose> But we don't need Gates. ;P
[01:04] <AbortD> gate?
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> amen
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:04] <hsystem-x_> gates need us ^^.
[01:04] <waylandbill> ioiioi would be more of a gate I'd think
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> "In an Open society, who needs Gates and Windows?" <-- can't remember where i saw that
[01:05] <AbortD> thats what im saying
[01:05] <AmyRose> I hated being compared to Bill Gates. Just because I have Asperger's and am into computers doesn't mean I want to screw people over with crappy software.
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> or no actually, AmyRose, it -does- look like a fence
[01:05] <waylandbill> ins-dragonclaw: sounds like a good tshirt saying. :-)
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> waylandbill: Don't give me ideas ;)
[01:05] <AmyRose> I remember seeing it on humorix.org
[01:05] <LegolasV> I prefer the airconditioning quote
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> someone used it as a forum sig, i think
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> which is?
[01:06] <AmyRose> Probably on /.
[01:06] <waylandbill> ins-dragonclaw: I may make one. I already have one that says "I don't do Windows" and another "NO! I won't fix your computer"
[01:06] <LegolasV> Computers are like airconditioners, as soon as you open Windows they stop working
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> amen to the second
[01:06] <AmyRose> Oh, I would LOVE a shirt like that!
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm unofficial tech support to a technically inept family :S
[01:07] <AmyRose> I weaseled my way out by scaring people with my Linux knowledge. Don't know how that worked out, but I'm glad it did
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> lol.
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> but come on, lets be fair - Windows -does- get some stuff right
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> like causing aneurysms and ulcers
[01:07] <AmyRose> lol
[01:07] <waylandbill> tell them if they have linux, you'll fix it otherwise you don't know enough and will mess it up. :)
[01:07] <AbortD> when you live in an open society who needs gates and windows
[01:07] <AbortD> im seeing that on ubuntu forums
[01:07] <AbortD> as a quote
[01:08] <AmyRose> waylandbill, I think that's how I got them to leave me alone ;P
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:08] <waylandbill> regardless if you're a windows guru or not. :-D
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> how -can- you be a windows guru?
[01:08] <jack__> where do i find that simiilar task windows (minimized) are arranged together?like three opera windows appear as one in the kicker bar with a little three?
[01:08] <epimeth> has *anyone* used jigdo?
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> there's nothing to fix, change or improve
[01:08] <AmyRose> I know barely anything about maintaining Windows anymore. I haven't used it in 3 years, so I've forgotten almost everything I used to know
[01:09] <ins-dragonclaw> jack__: Use tabbed browsing
[01:09] <waylandbill> epimeth: long time ago to get debian dvd
[01:09] <ins-dragonclaw> no need for taskbar windows :)
[01:09] <andhy> hi - im looking for small help - after upgrade from kubuntu 6.10 to 7.04b i have no sound - any suggestion ?
[01:09] <LegolasV> jack__: sometimes my KDE does it all out of itself, although I have no idea how...
[01:09] <epimeth> grrr
[01:09] <epimeth> 4 packages aren't being found
[01:09] <ins-dragonclaw> isn't feisty supposed to be unstable?
[01:09] <jack__> ins-dragonclaw: is that in kcontrol? how do i configure that?
[01:10] <waylandbill> andhy: look at the dmesg for problems or missing devices, look for /dev/dsp. etc.etc.
[01:10] <epimeth> ins-dragonclaw: no... it's beta now :-)
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> okay - you want multiple windows to group on the taskbar, right?
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> but is beta better?
[01:10] <andhy> waylandbill: thx
[01:10] <jack__> ins-dragonclaw: yep, unless u got a better suggestion?
[01:10] <LegolasV> epimeth: beta isn't stable ;) but it feels pretty stable :)
[01:11] <waylandbill> jack__: that's the normal behaviour. one sec and I'll locate the setting in kcontrol
[01:11] <ins-dragonclaw> right click on the taskbar -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar -> "Group similar Tasks"
[01:11] <epimeth> ins-dragonclaw: better than unstable!  but still not stable... I call it "stablish"
[01:11] <ins-dragonclaw> then choose "Always:
[01:11] <ins-dragonclaw> epimeth: That's why mu lucky number is 6.10 :)
[01:11] <waylandbill> with the beta, I had to set the cpu from 'dynamic' to 'performance' or I was losing typed keys.
[01:11] <ins-dragonclaw> my*
[01:12] <jack__> ok thx waylandbill, couldnt was lloking in the desktops
[01:12] <jack__> ins-dragonclaw: what about the tabbed browsing?
[01:12] <epimeth> ins-dragonclaw: I feel your lucky numbers for next month will be....
[01:12] <epimeth> 7 0 4
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> 196.207.45.253
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> my isp proxy
[01:13] <waylandbill> jack__: it's actually right-click the taskbar panel, configure panel and then go to the taskbar page.
 right click on the taskbar -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar -> "Group similar Tasks"
[01:13] <epimeth> sooo nobody knows why the jigdo file is incorrecty?
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> waylandbill: said and done
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[01:13] <epimeth> and how I might fix it?
[01:13] <epimeth> all I need are 4 packages :-(
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> jack__: I use Konqueror for everything
[01:13] <waylandbill> jack__: or Kcontrol, Desktop, Taskbar is the other place to set it.
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> web and file browsing
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> then I fullscreen it to a single desktop
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> makes it much easier for me :)
[01:14] <waylandbill> epimeth: manually download the packages from some other source and add to the jigdo output.
[01:14] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, I love Konqueror as a browser. It looks so much better than Firefox
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> amen
[01:14] <AmyRose> Why can't Firefox use your theme for the controls?
[01:14] <jack__> ins-dragonclaw: i did that like that but the delicious feature for konq is so limited so i use firefox now oftener
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> I opened one of my favorite sites the other day
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> -ALL- the ads were gone...
[01:15] <waylandbill> konqueror is nice. I wish it would use all of the extentions that firefox supports though.
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> now that's what I call ad-blocking:)
[01:16] <LegolasV> adblocking has problems, it was kind of frustrating when I had to add Google ads to a website...
[01:16] <epimeth> waylandbill: how do I do that?
[01:17] <waylandbill> figure out the names of the packages you need and maybe download them from an apt source but with wget, not apt-get
[01:18] <epimeth> waylandbill: and pit them where?
[01:18] <epimeth> the temp folder?
[01:20] <waylandbill> epimeth: I don't recall where jigdo stores the files. wherever it's downloading to maybe. I think you can examine the list it has for the files and maybe get it to find them somewhere else. don't know. It's been way too long since I've used jigdo.
[01:21] <epimeth> waylandbill: I'll give it a shot
[01:22] <PF-Away> how does adept handle changed configuration files?
[01:24] <LegolasV> When I upgraded to feisty it asked a couple of times if I wanted to replace my config files and showed me a diff, if that's what you mean
[01:24] <PF-Away> the reason i ask, is because adept_updater crapped out, and when i upgraded in aptitude, it was a changed config file
[01:24] <waylandbill> I've never dist-upgraded with adept. aptitude is my tool of choice
[01:25] <PF-Away> well, i was already on feisty
[01:25] <waylandbill> aptitude handles issues nicely. :)
[01:26] <AmyRose> Synaptic is better than Adept. By far.
[01:26] <AbortD> yes it is
[01:26] <PF-Away> AmyRose: but it's a gnome app...*shrug*
[01:26] <AmyRose> PF-Away, I also use Gaim and XChat
[01:27] <AmyRose> :o
[01:27] <AbortD> u run ubuntu and not kubuntu right AmyRose?
[01:27] <drbreen> hello. i have a problem: i have kubuntu w/ ltsp and a few thin clients. they boot; but i cannot log in to any one of them. "ltsp-update-sshkeys" which was suggested in a forum thread, does not fix that.
[01:27] <PF-Away> I would rather spend a weekend improving Adept, than use synaptic
[01:27] <AmyRose> WRONG, AbortD.
[01:27] <AbortD> oh hm
[01:27] <AbortD> i thought i versioned u and it said something about ubuntu
[01:27] <AmyRose> I love my KDE better than GNOME.
[01:27] <AbortD> i like gnomes top and bottom bar thats it
[01:28] <PF-Away> AmyRose: have you tried konversation?
[01:28] <yknott> lol in the kubunt channel no less
[01:28] <AmyRose> AmyRose, yes, and its help sucks
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:28] <AmyRose> darn
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> AmyRose: is talking to herself Oo
[01:28] <AbortD> she is talking to her self!
[01:28] <AmyRose> I hate it when I talk to myself like that
[01:28] <PF-Away> you talking to yourself again?
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> rofl....
[01:28] <PF-Away> the big men in white coats are on their way
[01:28] <AmyRose> Oh, shoot.
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> with big syringes
[01:28] <AmyRose> ;P
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> great
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> unofficial linux tech support people talk to themselves online
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> we're doomed...
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> :p
[01:29] <AmyRose> AbortD, the "Ubuntu" is probably because I'm running XChat
[01:29] <AbortD> lol
[01:29] <PF-Away> :P
[01:29] <AbortD> oh
[01:29] <AmyRose> I'm going to CTCP version myself
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> PF-Away has an interesting /ctcp version readout
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> [CTCP]  Received CTCP-VERSION reply from AmyRose: xchat 2.8.0 Ubuntu
[01:29] <AbortD> do they make utorrent for linux?
[01:30] <LegolasV> I prefer my ctcp version reply :)
[01:30] <yknott> no, through wine
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> 1.3.37
[01:30] <AbortD> heh
[01:30] <AmyRose> I can take a screen shot to prove I'm using KDE
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> :D
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> so can i
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[01:30] <adaptr> AmyRose: actually, you can't
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> K Menu says it all
[01:30] <AmyRose> adaptr, WTF?
[01:31] <Contrast83> What's up, everyone?
[01:31] <adaptr> I can't run K mennu from Gnome ?
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> Kubuntu has KTorrent
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> adaptr: no
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> Kde Menu is not Gnome
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> at all
[01:31] <AmyRose> adaptr is not making any sense...
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> Ubuntu has bittorrent.tracker or something
[01:31] <adaptr> ins-dragonclaw: and I can't run it because...
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> but you're running kubuntu
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> so where did this whole argument come from?
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> i'm scaring them away...
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[01:32] <AbortD> what arguement?
[01:32] <PF-Away> gnome suxx0rzw00tw00tw00t!11
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> errrr
[01:32] <AbortD> argument
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> PF-Away:
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> we're sending the white coats for you next
[01:32] <raffytaffy> nvm resolved it
[01:32] <Contrast83> Does anyone know whether a bug report has been filed for the "small text in newly opened programs after changing color scheme" glitch, or does anyone else even experience this problem?
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> GNOME is lighter on resources
[01:32] <AmyRose> Face it. KDE is great, but some of its apps really suck compared to their GNOME counterparts. Kopete and Krita are pathetic compared to Gaim and the GIMP
[01:32] <PF-Away> they're here already
[01:32] <PF-Away> ins-dragonclaw: it is so _not_
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> Gaim is a joke
[01:33] <ins-dragonclaw> not my line, someone else;s
[01:33] <drbreen> gajim is very cool
[01:33] <PF-Away> ins-dragonclaw: gnome is the heaviest of the de's
[01:33] <AbortD> i hate kopete
[01:33] <ins-dragonclaw> lol ok
[01:33] <PF-Away> <3 kopete
[01:33] <LegolasV> One reason for KDE above Gnome, the IRC channel of Kubuntu is way cooler :)
[01:33] <AmyRose> I use Kopete only for webcamming with my best friend on Yahoo.
[01:33] <ins-dragonclaw> yet the liveCD loads faster for ubuntu than kubuntu
[01:33] <Contrast83> Can you join Yahoo chat rooms in Kopete?
[01:33] <PF-Away> gaim looks like donkey poo, imho
[01:33] <ins-dragonclaw> Contrast83: I think so
[01:33] <waylandbill> actually when using straight kde apps under kde, it uses less resources than gtk apps under gnome on average.
[01:33] <ins-dragonclaw> If yahoo uses Jabber
[01:33] <PF-Away> ins-dragonclaw: that has nothing to do with who is lighter
[01:34] <PF-Away> a tiny bit, but not much
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> *shrug*
[01:34] <AmyRose> Have you installed QtCurve? It makes KDE and GTK apps look great, and the same
[01:34] <PF-Away> ins-dragonclaw: kde wins more or less every comparison of "weight"
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> I have kubuntu. I love kubuntu. That's all that matters ^^
[01:34] <Contrast83> ins-dragonclaw: I wasn't able to figure out how, and even in GAIM, it looks like you can only join them if you know the exact name of the room you wish to join.
[01:34] <PF-Away> i use polyester
[01:34] <AmyRose> It even makes menus highlight in GTK apps when you point at them
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> wait - yahoo has chatrooms?
[01:34] <Contrast83> QTCurve - Best style EVER. :-D
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> then they use jabber
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> <-- Keramik
[01:34] <alanhaggai> Plastik
[01:34] <AmyRose> Keramik?! Man, that one is hard on my eyes
[01:35] <AbortD> ins-dragonclaw: ...... u didnt know yahoo had chatrooms?...???...
[01:35] <PF-Away> Polyester ftw
[01:35] <ins-dragonclaw> i haven't used yahoo for 4 years
[01:35] <ins-dragonclaw> but since google did it first, other email services are bound to copy
[01:35] <AbortD> 4 years ago they did too!
[01:35] <AmyRose> Polyester is great, but I wish it looked better on GTK apps
[01:35] <PF-Away> AmyRose: i hardly use any GTK apps, so it's ok
[01:36] <Contrast83> So umm... No one gets small text in newly opened programs after they change anything in their color scheme?
[01:36] <PF-Away> Inkscape doesn't look too bad
[01:36] <yknott> sure and now msn messenger users can chat directly with yahoo messenger users
[01:36] <ins-dragonclaw> Contrast83: I don't
[01:36] <ins-dragonclaw> yay. the legacy IMs co-operate
[01:36] <ins-dragonclaw> at last
[01:36] <ins-dragonclaw> still got lightyears to go
[01:36] <yknott> ins-dragonclaw: no doubt
[01:36] <AmyRose> Who cares? Just load 'em all up in Kopete or Gaim!
[01:36] <AmyRose> ;P
[01:36] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:36] <AmyRose> That's what I do
[01:36] <LegolasV> GAIM doesn't support custom emoticons =(
[01:37] <ins-dragonclaw> My Kopete can talk to MSN, but I haven't found a working ICQ gateway yet... :/
[01:37] <PF-Away> Kopete does;)
[01:37] <LegolasV> only displaying not sending
[01:37] <LegolasV> (same for GAIM)
[01:37] <ins-dragonclaw> now that's another story
[01:37] <AmyRose> amsn has working custom smiley support
[01:37] <LegolasV> I use aMSN ;)
[01:37] <LegolasV> but it's kinda buggy sometimes :P
[01:37] <AbortD> i wish i could get my old icq# back :(
[01:37] <ins-dragonclaw> I rarely smile over IM anyway.
[01:37] <AmyRose> I use that when I feel like being cute
[01:37] <Contrast83> WTF... I've had that problem on five different systems, three with both Edgy and Feisty, and I've yet to find anyone else who's seen it.
[01:38] <yknott> lol AbortD where has it gone?
[01:38] <ins-dragonclaw> Contrast83: probably your graphics setup then
[01:38] <AbortD> i forgot the password
[01:38] <AmyRose> I have never had that problem, Contrast83
[01:38] <Contrast83> ins-dragonclaw: On clean installs?
[01:38] <yknott> password recovery through icq.com ?
[01:38] <AbortD> didnt have a email addy set to it
[01:38] <ins-dragonclaw> hell, I'm 4 days into linux. AmyRose here is 3 years - talk to her!
[01:38] <yknott> AbortD:  ah ha
[01:38] <Contrast83> ins-dragonclaw: Thanks anyway. :-)
[01:39] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:39] <yknott> i still have one of my first, 6 digits in the account number
[01:39] <LegolasV> AmyRose: is that KDE 4?
[01:39] <Contrast83> So umm... AmyRose, have you ever heard of the problem I mentioned?
[01:39] <AmyRose> LegolasV, I meant stable KDE, which is 3.5.6
[01:39] <AbortD> yknott: mine wasa 8 digit 19750749
[01:39] <tmbg_> I figured out a while back that I hated icq and it was pointless.
[01:39] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:39] <AmyRose> I don't like using beta code for something as important as a DE
[01:39] <tmbg_> especially since yahoo started doing everything that icq could.
[01:39] <LegolasV> AmyRose: okay, I already run 3.5.6 :)
[01:39] <Contrast83> Does KDE4 include QT4?
[01:40] <AmyRose> Contrast83, no, I've never seen that problem you had
[01:40] <PF-Away> Contrast83: KDE 4 i built on Qt 4
[01:40] <ins-dragonclaw> I have 3 ICQ numbers that I've all but forgotten
[01:40] <Contrast83> AmyRose: Ok, thanks.
[01:40] <ins-dragonclaw> MXIT serves me better when it comes to IM
[01:40] <tmbg_> I haven't used icq or cared to in  years.
[01:40] <AbortD> icq used to have it where u could host yer own webpage or some shit some how
[01:40] <AmyRose> Contrast83, what are you thanking me for? I haven't done anything. :(
[01:40] <ins-dragonclaw> since I can take it anywhere :)
[01:40] <ins-dragonclaw> lol AmyRose
[01:40] <AbortD> mxit?
[01:41] <ins-dragonclaw> you helped him cross you off his list of people to ask for help
[01:41] <AmyRose> Ah
[01:41] <ins-dragonclaw> MXit. local south african IM mobile service
[01:41] <Contrast83> AmyRose: For making me think it's probably something I'm doing wrong. ;-)
[01:41] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:41] <AbortD> take it anywhere?
[01:41] <LegolasV> is ICQ integrated with AIM (as GAIM pretends to say, or as I pretend to think GAIM means) because in that case I have it :D
[01:41] <ins-dragonclaw> it's on a cellphone
[01:41] <Contrast83> What that could be, I have no effin' idea.
[01:41] <untouch> hi i have a problem i updated my dapper to edgy (changed dapper do edgy in sources list,read in the new sources list, then apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade and now my kubuntu wont boot anymore (x-server dosnt starsts)
[01:41] <yknott> for me, for any of the legacy IM, just use those accounts (through gaim or kopete, or wengo through libgaim) to type with people still using those
[01:41] <raffytaffy> my cable company refuses to give mt their MTU
[01:41] <raffytaffy> what can i do
[01:41] <AmyRose> Contrast83, is it a major problem? If not, I wouldn't worry about it
[01:41] <AbortD> oh
[01:41] <yknott> untouch: change dapper to edgy, the dist-upgrade, right?
[01:42] <Contrast83> AmyRose: It's vary tedious having to log out and back in whenever I change the color scheme.
[01:42] <ins-dragonclaw> Java MIDP2.0 app - talks to a custom jabber server run by MXit Lifestyle
[01:42] <LegolasV> shouldn't you dist-upgrade two times for an upgrade to edgy?
[01:42] <ins-dragonclaw> 2 million users in SA alone :)
[01:42] <AmyRose> Contrast83, do you change your colors every hour or what? ;P
[01:42] <AbortD> SA?
[01:42] <AmyRose> I rarely change the color scheme
[01:43] <untouch> yknott: changed dapper do edgy (the 6.10 dont know the right name think it was edgy) then i did a apt-get upgrade after this apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:43] <Contrast83> No, but when I'm making a new one, and making sure I'm getting everything just right, I find myself having to log out and back in several times before it looks just right.
[01:43] <LegolasV> I have changed the default color scheme to use the yellow-orangy color of BeOS on the titlebars, Gotta love orange :)
[01:44] <untouch> yknott: any idea ?
[01:44] <AbortD> ubuntu has such a great soundboost over windows
[01:44] <yknott> well start with the X log
[01:44] <yknott> or some such
[01:44] <yknott> AbortD: soundboost?
[01:44] <AbortD> i dunno
[01:44] <untouch> /var/log/xorg.log ?
[01:44] <AbortD> but its louder
[01:44] <Contrast83> And it IS a glitch. I don't think "if it's not a major problem, don't worry about it" is a viable solution. :-)
[01:44] <AbortD> i got crappy speakers for like a walkman
[01:45] <AbortD> no volume knob nothing
[01:45] <AmyRose> Contrast83, I just thought of something.
[01:45] <yknott> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:45] <AbortD> i c an barely hear them in windows
[01:45] <untouch> okay but i cant post it
[01:45] <Contrast83> AmyRose: ?
[01:45] <untouch> im in irssi
[01:45] <LegolasV> actually, I have a question: my locale gives for the short date dd-mm-yy, but I want dd-mm-yyyy. Can I change this?
[01:45] <yknott> untouch:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:45] <AmyRose> Contrast83, Did you try forcing the DPI in the KDE font settings?
[01:45] <AbortD> !pastebin
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[01:45] <AbortD> pft
[01:46] <untouch> yknott cant im online in irc with irssi from the broken pc
[01:46] <Contrast83> AmyRose: Haven't messed with it. It's currently unchecked. Should I try checking it?
[01:46] <AmyRose> Contrast83, Yes. It sometimes fixes font sizing problems.
[01:46] <yknott> o
[01:46] <Contrast83> AmyRose: Are there ever any reasons it shouldn't be checked?
[01:46] <yknott> how about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:47] <untouch> i try
[01:47] <AmyRose> Contrast83, Yes. If you set it by editing the X server command line in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, you should definitely have it unchecked there. Other than that, I can't think of anything.
[01:48] <untouch> yknott: i come back if it works and if not im comming back to *g*
[01:49] <LegolasV> Or is it possible to have the region settings in KControl act global for the system and not just the KDE apps
[01:50] <AmyRose> I've been curious--what is the best KDE-based IRC client?
[01:50] <AbortD> kbounce is great
[01:50] <Contrast83> AmyRose: I just checked it and changed the color scheme, and new apps still have tiny fonts. Thanks anyway though.
[01:50] <AbortD> starts to lag though sweet
[01:51] <AmyRose> Kopete's IRC sucks. I know that for sure.
[01:51] <Contrast83> How's GAIM as an IRC client? I know it has the ability, but haven't tried it yet. (Just intalled GAIM a few days ago)
[01:51] <AbortD> i use konversation
[01:51] <tmbg_> I don't like any of those all in one clients for irc, like gaim.
[01:51] <PF-Away> AmyRose: use Konvi, ffs;)
[01:51] <LegolasV> why not Konversation? (Or if you really really want KVIRC, but I wouldn't)
[01:51] <tmbg_> they're pretty annoying.
[01:51] <AmyRose> Gaim is great, except it doesn't have /ban and /unban
[01:51] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> how can i disable xorg-air
[01:51] <chijin> irssi is the best
[01:52] <PF-Away> AmyRose: you have bots for kb'ing;)
[01:52] <tmbg_> the only thing that I've ever really been happy with in a graphical client is xchat.
[01:52] <PF-Away> ~kb PF-Away
[01:52] <AmyRose> PF-Away, kb'ing?
[01:52] <PF-Away> kickbanning
[01:52] <AbortD> i wish i could /ban AmyRose
[01:52] <AmyRose> WTF?
[01:52] <AbortD> haha im kidding
[01:52] <PF-Away> !kb AmyRose
[01:52] <PF-Away> :D
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kb amyrose - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <AbortD> :P
[01:52] <AbortD> lol
[01:52] <Contrast83> lol
[01:52] <PF-Away> lol
[01:52] <AmyRose> Well, I run an IRC channel and need to be able to do my job.
[01:53] <LegolasV> !locale | LegolasV
[01:53] <tmbg_> !thelesbian amyrose
[01:53] <AmyRose> I'm asexual, not lesbian, not straight, and definitely not bi.
[01:53] <tmbg_> he's supposed to say he doesn't know anything about the lesbian. oh well
[01:53] <LegolasV> this is the point where I'm not sure if this is a support channel
[01:53] <AbortD> when a lesbian gives u a hug it makes u feel good for some reason
[01:53] <AbortD> i feel u on that AmyRose
[01:54] <AmyRose> Hence my quote about "baseball" earlier
[01:54] <tmbg_> LegolasV, no channel stays on topic all the time
[01:54] <tmbg_> if they did it would be annoying as hell
[01:54] <Contrast83> AbortD: I always wondered if that was just me.
[01:54] <AbortD> what was? the lesbian hugs?
[01:54] <LegolasV> I know, that's why I like IRC :)
[01:54] <Contrast83> Right.
[01:54] <AmyRose> Anyone who hits on me is going to be slapped with a trout. ;P
[01:55] <AbortD> yeah i was in the bar when one hugged me
[01:55] <AbortD> i didnt even know her
[01:55] <AbortD> haha
[01:55] <LegolasV> sorry for asking a stupid question, but I don't have a dictionary near... what is a trout? :P
[01:55] <yknott> untouch:
[01:55] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> i want to disable xorg-air, isn't anyone trying to help me?
[01:55] <AmyRose> The only lesbian I know is a Kubuntu lover
[01:55] <AbortD> a fish lego
[01:55] <AbortD> what is xorg-air?
[01:55] <AbortD> sudo aptitude remove xorg-air
[01:56] <PF-Away> the only gay i know is a ubuntu hater
[01:56] <PF-Away> :D
[01:56] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> i couldn't reach my system
[01:56] <AbortD> that will make it stop
[01:56] <AbortD> maybe
[01:56] <AmyRose> My lesbian friend is also deaf. :D
[01:56] <AbortD> haha
[01:56] <LegolasV> xorg-air? sounds like the vista theme? :|
[01:56] <PF-Away> AmyRose: a good combination
[01:56] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> t does not boot
[01:56] <PF-Away> ?
[01:56] <yknott> !xserver-xorg-air-core
[01:56] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> xorg server for beryl
[01:56] <tmbg_> the gays I know are all programmers for some reason
[01:56] <tmbg_> not sure what OS they use though
[01:56] <AmyRose> PF-Away, I'm also fluent in sign language, though I'm hearing
[01:56] <AbortD> hm a deaf lesbian
[01:57] <PF-Away> AmyRose: cool, i also know a deaf guy, but he recently got some implants that helps a lot
[01:57] <PF-Away> he's not gay, btw
[01:57] <PF-Away> rather the opposite
[01:57] <AbortD> haha
[01:57] <AmyRose> PF-Away, most of my deaf friends are straight, and one is also asexual
[01:57] <tmbg_> I always wondered what a deaf person orgasm sounds like.
[01:57] <tmbg_> because they have no idea what THEY sound like.
[01:57] <tmbg_> so I wonder if they just go nuts
[01:57] <yknott> xserver-xorg-air-core    support for accelerated indirect 3d, allowing clients that cannot connect directly take take advantage of hardware accel
[01:57] <AbortD> hahahaha
[01:57] <PF-Away> tmbg_: :S
[01:58] <LegolasV> just wondering: does this channel have a QDB?
[01:58] <AbortD> oh man
[01:58] <AbortD> QDB?
[01:58] <PF-Away> this is cool: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1575415,00.asp
[01:58] <tmbg_> quote database
[01:58] <PF-Away> quote db
[01:58] <PF-Away> ?
[01:58] <AbortD> i want a good eggdrop :|
[01:58] <LegolasV> yes, like bash.org, qdb.us, www.legolasweb.nl/phiapdc/
[01:58] <AmyRose> Most deaf people are forced to speak and lipread, and this is emphasized over the more obvious benefit: literacy.
[01:58] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> my graphics drivers doesn't loaded
[01:58] <hyper_ch> LegolasV: why should it?
[01:59] <tmbg_> AmyRose, I'm all for more people learning to sign.
[01:59] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> located /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/i810_drv.so
[01:59] <AmyRose> tmbg_, me too. I also think literacy should be the focus of deaf education, rather than speech.
[01:59] <tmbg_> I like the notion that it has the potential for being a nearly universal language.
[01:59] <AmyRose> tmbg_, That's the most common....myth about signing
[01:59] <LegolasV> hyper_ch: just wondering
[01:59] <yknott> PF-Away:  article from 2003?
[02:00] <tmbg_> AmyRose, you see where I'm coming from.
[02:00] <hyper_ch> LegolasV: as this is a support channel why should it be here?
[02:00] <AmyRose> tmbg_, American Sign Language and British Sign Language are TOTALLY different.
[02:00] <AbortD> i think lip reading should be the focus
[02:00] <untouch> yknott: so x ist up again but when i change the settigs to my old one (monitor & resolution) same problem
[02:00] <tmbg_> AmyRose, is there really a reason for them to be though?
[02:00] <AmyRose> I disagree, AbortD. Have you ever tried to lipread?
[02:00] <tmbg_> lipreading is too damn hard and error prone
[02:00] <AbortD> no but i dont want to have to learn sign language if im not deaf
[02:01] <AmyRose> AbortD, you can WRITE IT DOWN!
[02:01] <AbortD> so if they want to know what im saying so bad read my lips :P
[02:01] <yknott> untouch: and without any way to view the log?
[02:01] <AbortD> i hate writing
[02:01] <AmyRose> Deaf people can read text, you know
[02:01] <tmbg_> that's what I did with my deaf friends, write a lot of notes.
[02:01] <tmbg_> I don't know much sign language
[02:01] <tmbg_> I hate writing though, since I've learned how to type
[02:01] <AmyRose> tmbg_, if you're in North America, you can go to www.aslpro.com and learn :D
[02:01] <AbortD> they should make a voice to text palm pilot for them
[02:02] <untouch> yknott: now i can look into the log ;)
[02:02] <AbortD> OVER 7000 SIGNS?!
[02:02] <tmbg_> AmyRose, if I weren't already involved in learning cisco, go, and dvorak, I'd take you up on it.
[02:02] <LegolasV> hyper_ch: never said there should be one, but because mozilla has one too and those are also more or less support channels
[02:02] <tmbg_> the deaf friends have moved on anyway.
[02:02] <AmyRose> tmbg_, you can still just type to deaf people on the Internet ;)
[02:02] <tmbg_> yeah she used her blackberry a lot
[02:02] <AmyRose> AbortD, we're not using our voices now, are we?
[02:02] <tmbg_> and I would talk to them on the internet
[02:03] <tmbg_> but in person was awkward
[02:03] <tmbg_> like at a restaraunt or something asking the waiter for pens and paper
[02:03] <untouch> http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php yknott
[02:03] <AmyRose> Well, deaf people actually don't mind people typing or writing to them, because it's presented visually
[02:03] <untouch> no omg
[02:03] <untouch> damn crappy -.-
[02:03] <tmbg_> you've never met a blackberry ninja by the way until you meet a deaf blackberry ninja
[02:04] <AbortD> i like the one for abort
[02:04] <tmbg_> just takes so long to write stuff
[02:04] <tmbg_> vs them signing their ass off
[02:04] <AmyRose> tmbg_, That's why I learned ^^
[02:04] <AmyRose> It was the most fun language I've ever learned
[02:04] <none0> hello
[02:04] <untouch> yknott: http://onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=1855 this one
[02:04] <AmyRose> And I'm going into special education, so I'm very likely to be hired ^^
[02:04] <tmbg_> I know a handful of signs but not enough to carry on a conversation.
[02:05] <tmbg_> cool.
[02:05] <Betzefer> any 1 know ppp0 connections ?
[02:05] <tmbg_> AmyRose, ever seen a deaf couple argue?
[02:05] <AmyRose> tmbg_, Yes.
[02:05] <tmbg_> it's funny. one will try to ignore the other.
[02:06] <tmbg_> so they'll run around so the person has to see them. heh
[02:06] <untouch> any idea ?
[02:06] <AmyRose> Yup.
[02:06] <AmyRose> Even if only one of them is hearing, it's still hilarious
[02:06] <AmyRose> Especially if the deaf person can speak
[02:06] <AbortD> hm
[02:07] <AmyRose> Netsplit?
[02:07] <triamcg> what was that?
[02:07] <tmbg_> you think?
[02:07] <AbortD> a powerful one at that haha
[02:07] <AmyRose> Looked like a Netsplit
[02:07] <AbortD> it was
[02:07] <yknott> untouch:  grab another screen, tty2, for example; ctrl alt f2;   there less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:07] <tmbg_> it was a shame about the deaf girl I knew. completely lost her hearing from a disease as a child.
[02:07] <untouch> yknott: http://onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=1855 this one
[02:07] <tmbg_> but she had a beautiful voice, only she was shy about it because she didn't know what she sounded like.
[02:08] <yknott> untouch:  ok, looking
[02:08] <AmyRose> tmbg_, I had fights with a deaf person... it wasn't pretty. She could speak and lipread, and she would scream at me and refuse to look at me....
[02:08] <untouch> yknott: thanks
[02:08] <AbortD> hahaha
[02:08] <tmbg_> AmyRose, haha that's horrible.
[02:08] <AbortD> you are evil AmyRose
[02:08] <AmyRose> AbortD, I am?
[02:08] <AbortD> i shall call u emilyrose now
[02:08] <AmyRose> Why?
[02:08] <AbortD> fighting with a deaf person :|
[02:08] <AbortD> tmbg_: thats sad
[02:09] <tmbg_> they're still people.
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> !offtopic
[02:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:09] <AmyRose> AbortD, this deaf person is hated by 100% of my remaining deaf friends
[02:09] <AbortD> oh
[02:09] <AbortD> thats no good
[02:09] <Betzefer> can some one help me ?
[02:09] <Betzefer> who knows ppp0 connections
[02:09] <AmyRose> Betzefer, What do you need?
[02:09] <AmyRose> Oh
[02:09] <yknott> untouch:  to which resolution were you setting it?
[02:09] <Betzefer> u know ppp0 connections
[02:09] <AmyRose> Can't say I know how
[02:09] <Betzefer> ?
[02:09] <AbortD> what is ppp0?
[02:09] <Betzefer> adsl connection
[02:10] <Betzefer> DSL
[02:10] <yknott> AbortD: certainly not eth0!
[02:10] <AmyRose> *autojoin
[02:10] <tmbg_> AmyRose, the sad bit was that the guy she was with was great for her, but she left him because she wanted a baby. wound up having one later w/ an ex-con.
[02:10] <untouch> yknott: at the moment at 1024x768
[02:10] <untouch> yknott: but normaly 1280x1024
[02:10] <AbortD> with a xcon?.....
[02:10] <yknott> untouch: according to the log your monitor is a benq capable of 1024x768 max
[02:11] <Betzefer> no one knows ?
[02:11] <untouch> no it isnt
[02:11] <untouch> fp 767 17" monitor (1280x1024) -- max
[02:11] <AbortD> i wonder what my max is
[02:12] <yknott> ;) all the further i get, for now
[02:12] <yknott> untouch: sorry
[02:12] <AbortD> mines 1280x1024
[02:12] <untouch> yknott: u mean u dont know why it dosnt works right ?
[02:13] <Xantios> i just joined to tell you all that kubuntu is installing here very nice and smooth :) i have a good hope :)
[02:14] <sonoftheclayr> Xantios: welcome to Kubuntu, I hope you enjoy it
[02:14] <Xantios> thnx sonoftheclayr :)
[02:14] <AbortD> isnt kbattleship internet accessable?
[02:15] <yknott> untouch: well the log here says the monitor's max is 1024x768, so i guess you need to manually set the size and sync values
[02:16] <untouch> yknott: i think the monitor file is broken ... now it works with "generic flat (1280x1024)
[02:19] <none0> is 7.04 beta stable enough for a desktop?
[02:19] <chijin> i'm running 7.04 and i havent had any problems
[02:19] <chijin> on my desktop
[02:19] <chijin> so yes, i think it's stable enough
[02:20] <none0> kubuntu is about 3 weeks away from release, isn't it?
[02:21] <Skrot> April 19th
[02:21] <none0> ok
[02:21] <none0> chijin: do you also happen to run kde4?
[02:21] <chijin> none0: nope
[02:22] <Skrot> Don't use KDE4 unless you're a developer/really curious yet :>
[02:22] <polly1> Any suggestions for input/output errors while burning a dvd?
[02:22] <Tm_T> none0: chijin: I recommend to wait release unless you're ready to hunt bugs
[02:22] <Tm_T> Skrot: agreed, there's not much to see for users yet
[02:23] <chijin> i just saw the kde4 release schedule, and i think i'm going to wait
[02:23] <Skrot> unless you really enjoy a bunch of polished core libs :p
[02:23] <chijin> the final release is not coming out until october iirc
[02:23] <polly1> I see alot of updates today for kubuntu.
[02:23] <vicks> hi, my kubutnu feisty hangs on bootup while staarting bluetooth. it can't shut down bluetooth either, so i cantt upgrade the packages. is there a way to upgrade a package without having to shut down the process?
[02:23] <Tm_T> polly1: in where?
[02:23] <polly1> Tm_T: Adept.
[02:24] <Tm_T> polly1: I mean, updates in 6.10 ?
[02:24] <polly1> Tm_T: Oh... Sorry.  I have feisty installed.
[02:24] <Tm_T> vicks: #ubuntu+1 for Feisty help
[02:24] <Tm_T> polly1: hmm, I thought there was updates yesterday
[02:24] <Tm_T> yup, yesterday
[02:25] <polly1> Tm_T: I only noticed a few updates yesterday.
[02:25] <polly1> Tm_T: Its installing 85 upgrades right now.
[02:25] <Tm_T> no upgrades for me whatsoever
[02:26] <polly1> Tm_T: Where in the world are you located?
[02:26] <andhy> waylandbill: ok - i found the reason of sound problems after upgrade to feisty ... kernel of course ;)
[02:27] <polly1> Tm_T: Does it matter?  Does everyone point to the same repository?
[02:27] <Tm_T> polly1: well, I'm checking from main archive, so mirrors come later
[02:28] <polly1> Tm_T: It looks like alot of KDE packages at the moment.
[02:28] <Tm_T> polly1: usually local mirrors are some hours behind
[02:28] <Tm_T> polly1: yup, that's what happened here yesterday or so
[02:28] <polly1> Tm_T: I see.
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> 90 updates, guess i should check a little more often, huh?
[02:29] <polly1> Daisuke_Ido: You hit the lotto.
[02:30] <Daisuke_Ido> installed feisty 2 days ago, and haven't checked for updates since
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> need to get adept-updater running on startup again
[02:31] <polly1> When is the "official" release of feisty scheduled for?
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> sometime next month
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> don't know when exactly
[02:31] <Tm_T> 19.4.
[02:31] <chijin> i've had adept crash on me twice now
[02:32] <chijin> the upgrade tool crashed when i upgraded to feisty yesterday
[02:32] <polly1> Tm_T: Any idea of the progress so far?  Would they just be checking the updates for bugs at this point or are they still working?
[02:32] <Daisuke_Ido> chijin: did it crash on cleanup?
[02:32] <Tm_T> chijin: did you check/report to launchpad?
[02:32] <chijin> but then i ran the dist-upgrade with aptitude and it went fine
[02:32] <drbreen> anyone uses kubuntu with LTSP ?!
[02:32] <drbreen> ANYONE ?!
[02:32] <chijin> i didn't report :-/
[02:32] <chijin> i think it crashed while setting up something
[02:32] <Tm_T> chijin: d'oh
[02:33] <cyt> !amsn
[02:33] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[02:33] <polly1> cyt: amsn doesn't look rigth on my screen.
[02:33] <Tm_T> polly1: progress is that now we hunt bugs and finalise features
[02:34] <polly1> Tm_T: Ok
[02:34] <cyt> polly1: I build amsn svn snapshot (0.97b maybe), and it looks great.
[02:35] <AbortD> gimp works good in kde right?
[02:35] <AbortD> its not a gnome app?
[02:35] <polly1> cyt: Maybe I'll have to try that.
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> err, it's gtk, but it runs fine in kde
[02:35] <cyt> polly1: But it cannot find the tcltls library :(
[02:35] <cyt> I am trying to figure it out.
[02:36] <polly1> cyt: I'm lost already. <grin>.
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> now, as far as the gimp *working*, that's purely subjective.  i'd personally rather be coated in honey and stuck in a cage with a rabid wolverine on pcp than use the gimp :)
[02:36] <polly1> cyt: I supose they are librarys you need to compile or run it?
[02:36] <AbortD> hm
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> oh great
[02:37] <polly1> BRB
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> hit the lotto alright :(
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> kdm's broken now
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> well, the package
[02:39] <eduard> hello world, i have just install kubuntu 7.04, i am looking for an option to use my wireless card to connect to windowsXP laptop so XP can get connection from my kubuntu laptop and get internet connection, any ideas?
[02:39] <Daisuke_Ido> yet it seems to be upgrading the packages fine from the commandline
[02:39] <AmyRose> eduard, yes, set up routing
[02:40] <eduard> AmyRose, you still here :)) nice - i have lost all notes i made, need to reinstall from srcatch all sysytem
[02:40] <AmyRose> eduard, and I trust you have a crossover Ethernet cable or a switch/hub
[02:41] <saiko> e ai blz
[02:41] <saiko> ?
[02:41] <AmyRose> eduard, do you have the supplies I asked you about?
[02:41] <saiko> to  com um problema aki no adept
[02:42] <eduard> AmyRose i have only one cable connecting my kubuntu laptop with internet, i need share my conetction trough wireless card with XP laptop
[02:42] <untouch> i got a new problem after updating from dapper to edgy i hear no sounds anymore i have a Audigy 2 zs
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> !br > saiko
[02:43] <yeti> eduard: so your kubuntu laptop has direct internet connection? well then it's easy. echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and set your windows laptop's default gateway to your kubuntu laptop's IP
[02:44] <yeti> having said that, you do have a wireless access point and a working wireless card on your ubuntu laptop, right?
[02:46] <eduard> yeti first part is done, how XP will see my kubuntu? should be som kind of network vewable, isnt it?
[02:48] <horde> when I fullscreen a media player (vlc, kaffeine, mplayer) the sound pops/warbles.  un-fullscreening resolves the issue, but I'd obviously like to watch my movies fullscreened.  Anyone have any ideas?
[02:50] <horde> it's a practically new install of Edgy
[02:51] <eduard> AmyRose which programm you mensioned for XP i should install ?
[02:51] <AbortD> someone should play k battleship with me :P
[02:52] <joaquin_> hola
[02:52] <AmyRose> eduard, you're better off just using a router
[02:52] <eduard> joaquin_ hey! :)
[02:52] <joaquin_> alguien me puede echar una mano para configurar la grfica de mi portatil??
[02:52] <untouch> my sound dosnt works anymore any ideas ?
[02:53] <untouch> i have an audigy 2 zs
[02:53] <eduard> Joaquin is it you? solog....
[02:53] <joaquin_> hi edward
[02:53] <eduard> :)))))))))))))
[02:53] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[02:53] <joaquin_> I need some help
[02:53] <eduard> nice to see you here Joaquin
[02:53] <AmyRose> joaquin_, quin hech su tarjeta de vdeo?
[02:53] <joaquin_> thanks edward
[02:54] <BluesKaj> !es | AmyRose
[02:54] <ubotu> AmyRose: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:54] <yeti> eduard: you do not need to install any program for windows. is your wireless card set up correctly on your kubuntu box?
[02:54] <joaquin_> AmyRose tengo una ati en un portatil y kubuntu edgy 6.10, he instalado beryl pero  no me rula la aceleracin 3d y he intentado de todo, alguna idea???
[02:55] <joaquin_> ok I will try in english
[02:55] <eduard> yeti - it sees wireless networks
[02:55] <yeti> can you connect to your wireless network, i.e. your wireless network access point?
[02:55] <AmyRose> joaquin_, qu es el fabricante del tu tarjeta de video?
[02:56] <AmyRose> *de
[02:56] <joaquin_> AmyRose una ATI x1150
[02:56] <yeti> eduard: can you connect to your wireless network, i.e. your wireless  network access point
[02:56] <yeti> ?
[02:56] <frojnd> arh, can't play wmv even when I: sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll && rm -r ~/.gstreamer-0.10/
[02:56] <AmyRose> Kubuntu no soporta tu tarjeta todava :(
[02:56] <joaquin_> ok gracias AmyRose
[02:56] <joaquin_> bye
[02:56] <AmyRose> Lo siento, joaquin_
[02:57] <eduard> yeti - i dont have my access point, just open networks
[02:57] <eduard> yeti - i dont have one
[02:57] <yeti> eduard: ah wait, what i've been trying to tell you will NOT work. you will need to set up NAT, that's quite more complex
[02:58] <eduard> i am patient :) yeti
[02:58] <yeti> eduard: uh, you don't have an access point? well then you need to fake one via hostap. i unfortunately have no experience with this... so here's what you need to do:
[03:00] <yeti> eduard: set up hostap on your kubuntu box. set up some sort of NAT on your kubuntu box. then set your kubuntu box as your standard gateway on windows XP (network conns -> wireless -> tcp-ip -> standard gateway)
[03:00] <eduard> yeti - to be able to see my "access point" from XP - i need to mount it first in kubuntu, right?
[03:00] <yeti> eduard: you have just told me you do not have an access point
[03:00] <yeti> eduard: so you will use your kubuntu laptop as an access point via hostap
[03:01] <yeti> eduard: then you connect your XP laptop to that access point
[03:01] <AmyRose> Setting up a computer as an access point is too complicated o.o
[03:01] <eduard> yeti i said - i will try, will let you know
[03:01] <yeti> eduard: this is all WAY more complex than it sounds, if you do not have sufficient experience you will need to use google a lot :)
[03:02] <yeti> AmyRose: well, if you have an easier suggestion, eduard will surely be eager to hear it :)
[03:03] <AmyRose> Yeah, buy an access point.
[03:03] <eduard> yeti - AmyRose :))
[03:03] <eduard> something like wingate? dosnt it exist for linux?
[03:04] <yeti> AmyRose: well, if he is willing to buy hardware, he shouldn't buy a bare access point but a router that manages all that NAT stuff
[03:04] <eduard> no spanish, sorry
[03:04] <AmyRose> yeti, agreed
[03:04] <yeti> eduard: if you have some spare dollars, that's the most convenient solution: buy a wireless router that manages the connection to the internet
[03:05] <eduard> i cant use privet chanals
[03:05] <eduard> need to register first
[03:06] <eduard> AmyRose - i dont know meaning of this word, but no- i dont
[03:07] <yeti> eduard: the most popular NAT software for linux is probably just using iptables. i dont know wingate, but i'm quite sure that iptables is a lot harder to set up than wingate ;)
[03:07] <eduard> ru
[03:07] <AmyRose> Well I don't know that.
[03:07] <eduard> :))
[03:08] <raffytaffy> im still suprised my isp wont give me their MTU
[03:08] <raffytaffy> heh
[03:09] <AmyRose> raffytaffy, why do you need the MTU?
[03:09] <raffytaffy> for my netgear router
[03:09] <AmyRose> oh
[03:09] <raffytaffy> its been dropping my connect with torrents
[03:09] <raffytaffy> i lower it to 1400...we shall see
[03:09] <eduard> well, i thought it could be easier, but i would like to try yeti
[03:10] <eduard> how can create virtual wireless access point on kubuntu machine?
[03:10] <eduard> joaquin, are you still here?
[03:12] <yeti> eduard: here's an option that will probably make it easier. you could create an ad-hoc network (see for example http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=389136&highlight=ad-hoc ), then you don't need to setup an access point. i'm very unsure whether this is secure though.
[03:13] <eduard> ok will try yeti, thanks
[03:14] <james> does anyone know how to sync a blackberry 7100 with kontact on kubuntu?
[03:15] <raffytaffy> !blackberry
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blackberry - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <frojnd> does anyone here use krusader? Don't know how can I share files with ftp protocol??
[03:16] <Jucato> frojnd: same as with Konqueror. use ftp:/ or sftp:/
[03:18] <frojnd> Jucato: with ftp:/ or sftp:/ I can only connect to ohter ftp
[03:18] <frojnd> I wanna share my files
[03:18] <Jucato> oh...
[03:18] <frojnd> oki
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> you'll need to run an ftp server to do it that way
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> a client is just that, a client for accessing OTHER servers.
[03:22] <Jucato> !ftp
[03:22] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[03:22] <Jucato> !ftpd
[03:22] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[03:25] <AmyRose> !Konqueror
[03:25] <ubotu> konqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5280 kB
[03:25] <AmyRose> Ooh, I didn't know that did anything
[03:27] <voorhees86> hey i nedd some help
[03:27] <voorhees86> my installation dosent work
[03:28] <Mlcloud> voorhees86 I do hope you're planning to give more information than that
[03:28] <voorhees86> i intall them perfect
[03:28] <untouch_> hi i have problems with my soundcards i dont hear any sounds i have a Audigy2 ZS and a Onboard soundcard (deaktivated in bios but kubuntu finds it)
[03:28] <voorhees86> but , when kubuntu go play for the first time
[03:29] <voorhees86> i select the first option on the grub
[03:29] <untouch_> select the second one
[03:29] <Mlcloud> You know, I came here to ask for help too, but after voorhees86 i'll just look bad so I'll ask for help tomorrow.
[03:29] <voorhees86> they go to status bar
[03:29] <voorhees86> and after , they freeze on a black screen
[03:30] <untouch_> voorhees86: use the second
[03:30] <untouch_> i had the same problem
[03:30] <voorhees86> the second option , is the text mode
[03:30] <untouch_> huh
[03:30] <untouch_> safe grafics mode
[03:31] <voorhees86> (recover mode)
[03:31] <untouch_> okay forget what i said
[03:31] <horde> is there a way to make a key that currently doesn't have a function so that it is functional?
[03:32] <voorhees86> if a boot form cd
[03:32] <voorhees86> have de same thing, if i don,t select 1024x768, if a left default frezee on a black screen too
[03:34] <Mlcloud> I'm having a network problem, and apparently its a known one too.
[03:34] <Mlcloud> I need to get the tigon3 driver (tg3?) driver for my bcm5751 card
[03:34] <Mlcloud> and I think i got one from the broadcom website for linux tg3, just no idea how to install it.
[03:35] <Mlcloud> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=11462.msg45474 <-- a brief history of what i tried so far
[03:35] <Mlcloud> but i think its mainly a driver problem that i need to download and install before trying anything.
[03:35] <voorhees86> untouch_ you can help me
[03:35] <voorhees86> ?
[03:37] <foxwoods> I also need some help....installed ndiswrapper with a D-Link DWL-G132, (using the win2k driver, because they actually work), and then on connect to the network, the system freezes....looked in syslog, seems that dhclient is in an infinite loop/doesn't work?
[03:38] <voorhees86> please any body can help me
[03:38] <voorhees86> ?
[03:40] <voorhees86> brasilian?
[03:40] <berial242> polish ?
[03:40] <untouch_> voorhees86: no sorry no idead
[03:40] <untouch_> voorhees86: no sorry no ideas
[03:41] <voorhees86> in the secury mode, works ok, but im new in linux
[03:41] <Mlcloud> It feels pathetic to be asking help amongst 3 other guys asking for help.
[03:41] <Mlcloud> I give up for tonight... again.
[03:42] <horde> ne1? is there a way to make a key that currently doesn't have a function so that it is functional?
[03:42] <voorhees86> how a enter in the grafics mode, in line os command?
[03:43] <SSJ_GZ> voorhees86: startx ?
[03:43] <voorhees86> how i enter in grafics mode, in line of command?
[03:43] <NightBird> voorhees86: you want to start the xserver? startx
[03:43] <NightBird> then in the box that pops up, if you want kde, type startkde
[03:44] <voorhees86> ok, freeze black screen agan, how i set 1024x768 , in line of command, to start startx
[03:44] <AmyRose> voorhees86, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:45] <AmyRose> That's the "proper" command to configure X on Kubuntu
[03:45] <NightBird> AmyRose: well... that's the "proper" command to reconfigure X on Kubuntu to defualts :P
[03:46] <Mlcloud> Cool, replies are coming. Anyone want to help me out then?
[03:46] <Mlcloud> I need to install the tg3 module for my broadcom bcm5751 card
[03:46] <AmyRose> NightBird, not if you run it without -phigh
[03:46] <Mlcloud> which... is incompatible with any sort of linux distro whatsoever.
[03:46] <voorhees86> sorry im brasilian, my english is not good
[03:46] <foxwoods> voorhees, what is your problem with X?
[03:47] <AmyRose> Without -phigh, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" asks you questions about EVERYTHING.
[03:47] <NightBird> ah
[03:47] <foxwoods> that it does.
[03:47] <voorhees86> i intall de kubuntu ok
[03:47] <voorhees86> then i will run them for the first time
[03:47] <NightBird> Mlcloud: well.... so you're saying that your network card isn't supported by linux, but you want to find and install drivers anyways?
[03:48] <voorhees86> appers the status bar, if the logo , them after that, the syustem freeze on a black screen
[03:48] <Mlcloud> NightBird - no no, i said it wrong.
[03:48] <Mlcloud> Lets see... ack, i closed it, just a sec.
[03:48] <AmyRose> I heard ndiswrapper is the best bet for Broadcom crap
[03:48] <Mlcloud> in a help file for wiki, quote: :# I Have a Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5751 Ethernet card, which needs the tigon3 driver, unavailable in Debian kernel 2.6.11. The solution is here.
[03:48] <Mlcloud> but the download is dead there, so i found one at the broadcom website, one for linux, tg3.
[03:49] <Mlcloud> I just dont know how to install it, and its kind of hard to search for instructions when I have no idea what the terms i need to use are.
[03:49] <NightBird> AmyRose: that's only for wireless....
[03:49] <AmyRose> Oh, he has Ethernet?
[03:49] <Mlcloud> Yeah.
[03:49] <horde> I have two Alt keys.  The right one is marked Alt Gr but doesn't work.  Any way to make it work like the left Alt key?  running Kubuntu Edgy
[03:49] <AmyRose> Eesh
[03:50] <Mlcloud> Oh, and if you want to see the things i tried (to no avail),
[03:50] <Mlcloud> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=11462.msg45474
[03:50] <AmyRose> horde, change your keyboard layout
[03:50] <horde> AmyRose: Control Center?
[03:50] <AmyRose> yes
[03:51] <AmyRose> horde, in System Settings, it's under Regional and Language
[03:51] <voorhees86> AmyRose ok, how driver i choose, i have a NVIDIA GeForce Go 6150
[03:51] <horde> AmyRose, found it.
[03:51] <otwin> just upgrade to feisty - where do I enable compiz?
[03:51] <AmyRose> voorhees86, Oooh, I am good with Nvidia questions...
 voorhees86, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:52] <voorhees86> im run this command
[03:52] <voorhees86> and enter in a screen to choose the driver
[03:52] <foxwoods> first, as far as I know, say no to the first prompt
[03:52] <AmyRose> voorhees86, you need to download a script called Envy if you want to install Nvidia
[03:52] <foxwoods> right, then for that, I chose vesa
[03:52] <foxwoods> if you want to get in first
[03:52] <foxwoods> envy later :)
[03:53] <foxwoods> but then again, I'm using ATI.
[03:53] <voorhees86> but i dont have acsses to grafics mode, to install envy
[03:53] <cyt> I can play mpeg file with sound on, but when viewing rm/rmvb file, the sound if off, even if I don't mute. Any suggestions?
[03:53] <AmyRose> voorhees86, you can get it here, and Envy can run in text mode: http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[03:54] <voorhees86> but im a new in linux
[03:54] <AmyRose> voorhees86, I can walk you through it
[03:54] <voorhees86> ohhh ok, thanks
[03:54] <AmyRose> voorhees86, Are you in text mode now?
[03:54] <AmyRose> on your Linux machine?
[03:55] <voorhees86> i have 2 computer, i am now in the windows computer, but the other on me side, is the linux text
[03:55] <AmyRose> OK, good
[03:55] <voorhees86> they are, on that screen , to choose the driver
[03:55] <AmyRose> voorhees86, pick "nv" for now
[03:55] <AmyRose> voorhees86, it will give you 2D support
[03:55] <voorhees86> dont have nvidia
[03:56] <AmyRose> voorhees86, pick vesa then
[03:56] <foxwoods> Can anyone else help with DWL-G132? Is ndiswrapper the best way? I can see networks right now with nidswrapperv1.8, trying to connect, whole system locks up....syslog has a bunch of dhclient not being able to send/receive packets....
[03:56] <voorhees86> indetifier
[03:56] <AmyRose> voorhees86, skip it
[03:56] <voorhees86> Gforce Go 6150?
[03:56] <voorhees86> ok
[03:56] <AmyRose> voorhees86, just leave it at the default
[03:57] <voorhees86> givme a message
[03:57] <AmyRose> voorhees86, Private message?
[03:57] <PF-Away> ok, wine is crap
[03:57] <bobbin> hello. In which repository are the adept sources? I can't see them in mine: 6.10 multiverse universe main restricted.
[03:57] <voorhees86> you can?
[03:57] <PF-Away> now i have a looping sound going in the background, and no wine stuff is running
[03:57] <PF-Away> they're all killed
[03:57] <eduard> how to create new wireless network in kubuntu7.04?
[03:58] <AmyRose> voorhees86, I just sent you messages privately
[03:58] <pollyo> Hello
[03:58] <pollyo> Any idea why I might be getting i/o errors when I attempt to burn a DVD?
[03:58] <horde> AmyRose, I've tried the likely permutations of layout and keyboard model but nothing works.
[03:59] <AmyRose> horde, I dunno what to tell you then.
[03:59] <AmyRose> horde, what country?
[03:59] <horde> AmyRose, britain
[03:59] <AmyRose> Really? hmm
[03:59] <horde> AmyRose, a Dell laptop
[04:00] <AmyRose> horde, Whaddya know, my right Alt doesn't work either
[04:00] <voorhees86> im there
[04:00] <AmyRose> I never noticed because I use it to type symbols using the US International layout
[04:00] <AmyRose> voorhees86, how are you doing?
[04:00] <horde> Ah
[04:01] <voorhees86> private menssage
[04:01] <AmyRose> horde, I believe the right alt key just generates a different keycode...
[04:01] <voorhees86> i talk to you
[04:01] <horde> AmyRose, I wondered if anyone had tried to remap their Windoze key and if the same work work on the right Alt
[04:01] <voorhees86> im private message
[04:01] <AmyRose> voorhees86, you're not answering me
[04:02] <voorhees86> yes i am
[04:02] <AmyRose> voorhees86, try /query AmyRose
[04:02] <voorhees86> i see you, and i ask
[04:03] <AmyRose> voorhees86, try typing /query AmyRose here
[04:03] <horde> AmyRose, is there any way to capture that key code and edit a keyboard layout?  I'm about 3 days new to linux but I'll give that a go if there's a way
[04:03] <voorhees86> open the window, whe are talking
[04:03] <AmyRose> horde, there may be a rule you can specify in sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to give you what you want
[04:03] <mdtyke> horde, I need to know that too! :)
[04:03] <AmyRose> voorhees86, You're not replying there
[04:04] <mdtyke> I did it a while ago, as I needed to add the Euro and Pound keys
[04:04] <voorhees86> i am , but seems that is a problem
[04:04] <voorhees86> send me a chat?
[04:04] <horde> AmyRose, I have no idea what that command means but it scares me a bit
[04:04] <voorhees86> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[04:04] <voorhees86> ohhh i find the problem
[04:05] <horde> mdtyke, how did you do it?
[04:05] <jamal_> hello why kubuntu doesn't play VCD sounds
[04:05] <Tm_T> !worksforme
[04:05] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[04:05] <AmyRose> horde, typing "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" into a terminal takes you step by step in the X configuration process. It's very nice
[04:05] <horde> AmyRose, Cheers, will try that.
[04:06] <AmyRose> horde, first, I recommend reading on XKB rules
[04:06] <foxwoods> anyone know about wireless?
[04:06] <jamal_> any idea ?
[04:06] <AmyRose> foxwoods, Yeah, just get a supported card ;P
[04:06] <AmyRose> Just kidding
[04:06] <foxwoods> lol
[04:06] <foxwoods> I'm almost to that point.
[04:06] <AmyRose> It's hard to get a supported card.
[04:06] <Mlcloud> AmyRose That sounds like it woudl work for me too... =.=
[04:07] <AmyRose> lol
[04:07] <foxwoods> I've just seen other people getting their D-Link working.
[04:07] <foxwoods> and I'm almost there
[04:07] <jamal_> how to make my VCD Audio
[04:07] <foxwoods> I can see everything, but lockup on connect.
[04:07] <tmbg_> horde, right alt on us-en keymap at least is mapped to 'meta'
[04:07] <jamal_> work
[04:08] <tmbg_> you should be able to remap it. there's some sort of faq somewhere about it.
[04:08] <jamal_> anyone alive
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> reconfigure xserver-xorg, or edit xorg.conf by hand
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> jamal_: do you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> AmyRose: there's actually a code there by default to make it meta, so removing that should revert to regular alt behaviour
[04:10] <AmyRose> Daisuke_Ido, Not according to Horde.
[04:10] <AmyRose> Besides, this is also for my own use
[04:10] <tmbg_> Option		"XkbOptions"	"lv3:ralt_switch" <-- this guy
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> tmbg_: that's it
[04:12] <AmyRose> I prefer using my right Alt key to type things like " etc...
[04:12] <matrix> hi is there a kde programm to choose a fast kubuntu mirror? i tried to start /usr/bin/software-properties but get the following error message:could not find a distribution template
[04:13] <tmbg_> AmyRose, one handed? or you hit the right alt with your left hand?
[04:13] <AmyRose> tmbg_, I'm ambidextrous
[04:13] <tmbg_> I still don't get why someone would use the right alt for that even if they were ambi.
[04:14] <tmbg_> unless their right hand was huge
[04:14] <AmyRose> tmbg_, It's still more convenient than running a character map.
[04:14] <tmbg_> or do you type the numbers using the top row?
[04:14] <AmyRose> tmbg_, No.
[04:15] <tmbg_> which hand do you hit the bloody right alt key with then?
[04:15] <AmyRose> tmbg_, You hold Right Alt and hit various keys to type symbols. Like holding right-alt and hitting C for 
[04:15] <tmbg_> yeah I know this.
[04:15] <tmbg_> I'm asking you which hand you use to hit right alt.
[04:15] <AmyRose> Then what the heck are you talking about
[04:15] <AmyRose> ?
[04:15] <AmyRose> tmbg_, I use my right hand
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> right alt, i'd imagine right hand
[04:16] <AmyRose> I'm a touch-typist
[04:16] <tmbg_> AmyRose, yeah me too.
[04:16] <shinobi> anyone had any issues with inkscape crashing on text entry
[04:16] <tmbg_> I was thinking of entering ASCII codes though w/ the alt, not of just alt+c
[04:17] <tmbg_> I was trying to figure out how on earth you were using the numberpad, heh
[04:17] <shinobi> possibly due to uim/anthy/canna japanese text entry
[04:17] <AmyRose> tmbg_, I have a laptop and don't use the number pad
[04:17] <horde> Daisuke_Ido, no, the US keyboard config didn't work for me
[04:17] <tmbg_> ah.
[04:17] <AmyRose> tmbg_, I do type numbers using the top row
[04:18] <tmbg_> horde, did you comment out this: Option		"XkbOptions"	"lv3:ralt_switch" ?
[04:18] <tmbg_> AmyRose, gotcha.
[04:18] <AmyRose> tmbg_, My preferred use for the numeric keypad on my desktop is as cursor keys o.o
[04:18] <pollyo> Anyone here familiar with input/output erorrs while attemptint to backup a dvd?
[04:19] <tmbg_> numbers on the top row always bothered me. I can do it, even touch, but I make a lot of mistakes on those stupid things. also I enter in so many ip addresses and numbers at work that the numberpad is far more efficient.
[04:19] <AmyRose> pollyo, usually just means your disc is damaged
[04:19] <foxwoods> last call, dwl-g132, ndiswrapper, freeze on connect?
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> pollyo: either the disc is bad or you're trying to write to a vfat partition
[04:19] <horde> tmbg_, didn't yet.  Still reading up on XKB rules
[04:20] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: I'm writing an iso file to a dvd.  Would that have anything to do with vfat?
[04:20] <shinobi> inkscape anyone?
[04:20] <Daisuke_Ido> you just said backup :P
[04:21] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: I went through about half a dozen dvd's do far.  I doubt it is the dvd itself.
[04:21] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: Yes, I backed it up to iso file and now I am writing the iso file.
[04:21] <m03> anyway to use generic video card drivers so I can obtain the resolution 1280x1024
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> i hate to be mister obvious, but...  dual layer?
[04:21] <shinobi> AmyRose has no crashes then i guess
[04:21] <m03> some live CDs I've used I can just boot and select that resoultion
[04:22] <m03> but once I install and 'proper' drivers are installed I cannot
[04:22] <AmyRose> shinobi, no, I don't...
[04:22] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: I attempted to use a daul layer but it said over 50% of the space would be wasted so I used single layer.
[04:22] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: Maybe I should just push with the dual layer and see if it still errors out.
[04:23] <shinobi> AmyRose are you using text entry method?
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> it's worth a shot
[04:23] <shinobi> AmyRose skim/uim etc...
[04:23] <mdtyke> horde: I cant remember how
[04:23] <mdtyke> It was in X11/keyboards/something I think
[04:24] <AmyRose> shinobi, no. I'm American...
[04:24] <Jucato> !info wine feisty | PF-Away
[04:24] <ubotu> pf-away: wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.33-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9576 kB, installed size 44452 kB
[04:24] <PF-Away> !info wine feisty amd64
[04:24] <PF-Away> :D
[04:25] <shinobi> AmyRose that makes sense. Is your system pretty much standard install?
[04:25] <jlh_> hello
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> dream on :P
[04:25] <mdtyke> horde: , then you just edited the en file I think it was
[04:25] <PF-Away> hi
[04:25] <F9> hi B9
[04:25] <jlh_> Kubuntu  Fiesty Fawn is awesome
[04:25] <AmyRose> shinobi, yes
[04:25] <B9> aoa
[04:25] <shinobi> AmyRose just want to check because skim is defaulted on kubuntu so theoretically it's running on your machine and not crashing inkscape
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> mdtyke: there's ralt_switch in the xorg.conf for the default us-en layout
[04:26] <olie> anyone ere using fiesty fawn
[04:26] <bxnp> nope still on breezy
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> mdtyke: comment that out rather than editing the layout file :)
[04:26] <AmyRose> shinobi, no, I'm not using any input methods since I only use languages that use the Latin alphabet
[04:26] <bxnp> and it rocks too
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> olie: yes
[04:26] <bxnp> :)
[04:26] <PF-Away> olie: yeah
[04:26] <jlh_> I will use it for my Desktop instead of Debian Etch
[04:26] <busfahrer> Excuse me, does Kubuntu have an equivalent to Ubuntu's Network Places? i.e. something to see Windows Shares
[04:26] <bxnp> yes
[04:26] <jlh_> smb:/
[04:26] <olie> i need help
[04:26] <AmyRose> busfahrer, try smb:// in Konqueror
[04:26] <bxnp> busfahrer: smb:/
[04:26] <away-dragonclaw> lol
[04:26] <PF-Away> Jucato: "No candidate version found for wine"
[04:26] <jlh_> Type it in the address bar of konqueror
[04:26] <shinobi> AmyRose sure. But unless you uninstalled skim etc... it's still there
[04:27] <ins-dragonclaw> three consecutive answers...
[04:27] <chijin> btw is there any way to get mplayer to play files over a samba network?
[04:27] <jlh_> smb:/ (one slash) will search the network
[04:27] <PF-Away> chijin: you have to mount the shares
[04:27] <Jucato> PF-Away: possibly because you're on 64-bit? not really sure... all I know is that 0.9.33 is available on feisty
[04:27] <chijin> PF-Away: that sounds reasonable
[04:27] <olie> my beryl dont work :(
[04:27] <PF-Away> chijin: the easiest is to use a kde based player though
[04:27] <PF-Away> chijin: you can use smb4k (i think) for mounting shares and stuff
[04:28] <PF-Away> !smb4k
[04:28] <ubotu> smb4k: A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1 (edgy), package size 1176 kB, installed size 2984 kB
[04:28] <chijin> PF-Away: i tried throwing files at kaffeine but they didn't work
[04:28] <mdtyke> well
[04:28] <mdtyke> What I want to do, is make a keyboard layout
[04:28] <PF-Away> chijin: try codeine;)
[04:28] <mdtyke> As you see, my keyboard doesn't have keys in the same place as they appear on Linux
[04:28] <mdtyke> Any ideas how I can make one?  Surely there's some kind of tool
[04:28] <mdtyke> GUI tool :)
[04:28] <tuzlo> is swat configured to a different port in kubuntu?
[04:28] <AmyRose> shinobi, Yes, but it's not running
[04:29] <soulrider_> mdtyke: kcharselect maybe
[04:29] <jlh_> gotta go. Talk to you fols later
[04:29] <jlh_> folks
[04:29] <soulrider_> you will be able to select the chars you want and just copy them
[04:29] <soulrider_> mdtyke: you mihgt also want to change the keyboard layout, maybe thats the problem
[04:29] <mdtyke> I want to customize it
[04:30] <shinobi> AmyRose good point, i've just thought of that, i guess i just got to disable them one by one and see what goes down, thanks for the clue
[04:30] <mdtyke> I live in Ireland (Northern Ireland actually), so I use pounds sterling, euro and dollar symbols
[04:30] <mdtyke> and I need to shift where the ~ > </ \ keys etc are to the same as my keyboard
[04:30] <horde> right, so once I edit xorg.conf do I need to restart completely or just restart X?
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> just restart x
[04:30] <olie> anyone help me at all
[04:31] <Daisuke_Ido> olie: try #ubuntu-effects
[04:31] <Daisuke_Ido> they're the ones to ask about beryl
[04:31] <PF-Away> Jucato: i just force-arch the package manually, seems to be working
[04:31] <horde> tmbg_, do you suggest I comment out "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch" ?
[04:31] <olie> thnx Daisuke_Ido
[04:32] <tmbg_> horde, yup, then restart X
[04:32] <horde> tmbg_, cheers.
[04:32] <Jucato> PF-Away: ah good
[04:32] <AmyRose> shinobi, sorry I don't know. Are you in Japan or something?
[04:33] <ins-dragonclaw> indeed shinobi is in Japan
[04:33] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw ha ha ha
[04:33] <Solatis> hello, i seem to be unable to play any dvd's
[04:33] <ins-dragonclaw> AmyRose, this is where /whois come in handy :)
[04:34] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw that's a quick conclusion
[04:34] <Solatis> i can mount my /dev/dvd and see an AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS directory
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> Solatis: do you have the libdvdcss(WHATEVER) library installed?
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp (shinobi)
[04:34] <shinobi> AmyRose ins-dragonclaw looked up at my login detail
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> .jp = Japan
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> no, i did /whois shinobi
[04:34] <yves__> re bonjour
[04:34] <yves__> :yv
[04:34] <Solatis> i've got libdvdread3 installed
[04:34] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw but it's meaningless
[04:34] <Solatis> which contains libdvdcss i believe
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> not actually
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> @ shinobi
[04:35] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm not the one to ask about DVDs
[04:35] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw it's at the top of the page at login
[04:35] <yvesman> re bonjour
[04:35] <tmbg_> if you can see those directories, it should be decrypting properly
[04:35] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw but it's not really reliable
[04:35] <Solatis> okay, but weird.. i'm able to mount it, but kmplayer doesn't seem to be able to play it
[04:35] <yvesman> j'ai un probleme pour configurer  ma resolution de carte nvidia
[04:35] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw could be a funky rerouting
[04:36] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw AmyRose But in this case yes, Japan
[04:36] <mdtyke> horde: This may help (it's what I did) - http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/06/03/1558258
[04:36] <Solatis> and basicly, kmplayer says: "URL: dvd://
[04:36] <Solatis> Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd"
[04:37] <m03> anyone have an idea about my question/
[04:37] <m03> ?*
[04:37] <m03> anyway to use generic video card drivers so I can obtain the resolution 1280x1024?
[04:37] <m03> some live CDs I've used I can just boot and select that resoultion
[04:37] <m03> but once I install and 'proper' drivers are installed I cannot
[04:37] <horde> Commenting out option "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch" didn't work
[04:37] <tmbg_> ah. perhaps dvd isn't linked to the proper device
[04:37] <horde> mdtyke, thanks, will try it
[04:38] <mdtyke> Np
[04:38] <laptop> What is the equivalent to CTRL-ALT-DEL in Ubuntu?
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> CTRL-ALT-DEL
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> the keys are still the same
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> what are you trying to do with them, though
[04:38] <laptop> Im not asking about the keys.
[04:39] <laptop> Well, obviously this is a question for someone with windows experience
[04:39] <shinobi> laptop ctrl alt del is the same
[04:39] <laptop> In windows (a non-linux o/s) it brings up a task monitor
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> okay
[04:39] <m03> what you asking laptop?
[04:39] <m03> a process list?
[04:39] <m03> lol
[04:39] <laptop> exactly
[04:39] <shinobi> laptop but ctrl alt bckspc
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> bind it to ksysguard, i suppose
[04:39] <shinobi> laptop ahhh
[04:40] <m03> do top
[04:40] <m03> laptop, top or ps aux in terminal
[04:40] <shinobi> laptop superkaramba and aero aio?
[04:40] <shinobi> laptop there is a plug in for ps too
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> m03: i think he's wanting a gui task manager type thing
[04:40] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[04:40] <laptop> task manager, like I said...........
[04:41] <ForgeAus> like ksysguard?
[04:41] <laptop> i suppose
[04:41] <pinoshaw> algum que fala em portugus aqui?
[04:41] <ForgeAus> (or alt-escape)
[04:41] <shinobi> laptop reckon if you like the windows stuff you'll like aero_aio
[04:41] <ForgeAus> wait is it control escape? one of thme 2
[04:41] <m03> ah, shame, top is nice :P
[04:41] <olie> join #kubuntu effects
[04:41] <laptop> I just want one function, the task manager.....
[04:41] <laptop> I dont want "windows"
[04:41] <laptop> *sigh*
[04:41] <ForgeAus> hehe I didn't know how to exit top first time I ran it!
[04:41] <laptop> Im not betraying the kind
[04:41] <Jucato> !pr | pinoshaw
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <Jucato> !pt | pinoshaw
[04:41] <ubotu> pinoshaw: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[04:41] <m03> lol
[04:42] <xBill> m03: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in a terminal
[04:42] <m03> what is wrong with top!??
[04:42] <pinoshaw> obrigado
[04:42] <olie> join #kubuntu-effects
[04:42] <shinobi> mo3
[04:42] <ForgeAus> too many command line utilities are too un-userfriendly
[04:42] <Jucato> olie: #ubuntu-effects
[04:42] <pinoshaw> ubuntu-pt
[04:42] <shinobi> mo3 top is confusing and takes some getting used to
[04:42] <shinobi> m03 point and click program termination etc...
[04:42] <pinoshaw> ubuntu-br
[04:42] <tmbg_> hrm. gui task manager. xkill? :P
[04:43] <Jucato> pinoshaw: #ubuntu-br <-- click on that
[04:43] <laptop> I dont understand why people have an aversion to GUI....it makes things easier
[04:43] <ForgeAus> ksysguard and/or ctrl + escape is all the taskmanager you need.... right?
[04:43] <laptop> Yrd
[04:43] <laptop> yes
[04:43] <m03> thanks xBill, but no clue on what drivers I should use
[04:43] <xBill> which graphics card do u use ?
[04:43] <ForgeAus> of course control + escape runs the process table sub-component of ksysguard anyhow
[04:44] <m03> no idea really it's this ATI radeon, will lspci tell me ?
[04:44] <ForgeAus> but you have to be root to kill most tasks right?
[04:44] <xBill> it will
[04:45] <m03> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M
[04:45] <laptop> KSysguard is perfect, just downloaded it
[04:45] <laptop> You know
[04:45] <Daisuke_Ido> didn't i say that ten minutes ago?
[04:45] <xBill> there are 2 open ati radeon drivers and the proprietary one
[04:45] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[04:45] <m03> obviously I don't want the drivers for it becuase the card doesn't do 1280x1024, but there must be an alternative driver
[04:45] <laptop> There should be a webpage that says something like "You liked THIS program in windows , then try THIS program in Ubuntu"
[04:45] <m03> since live-cd does it
[04:46] <laptop> A list
[04:46] <xBill> which one do u use at the moment ?
[04:46] <laptop> CTRL + ESC does nothing for me btw
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.linux.ie/newusers/alternatives.php
[04:46] <m03> how can I tell which driver I'm using?
[04:47] <laptop> What is python in one sentence or less?
[04:47] <ForgeAus> a programming language
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> laptop: that's just the first result i got in google, there are a lot of sites for that sort of thing
[04:48] <ForgeAus> kinda a relatively new-age one sorta in a similar league to ruby....
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> more and more as linux gets a bit of a foothold on the desktop
[04:49] <laptop> thank you
[04:49] <laptop> new-age, huh?
[04:49] <laptop> hehe
[04:49] <xBill> m03: it should be in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (must be root to edit), in section "Device"
[04:49] <laptop> mood rings?
[04:49] <laptop> karma
[04:49] <laptop> Spiritualism?
[04:49] <PF-Away> python is pure pwnage
[04:50] <PF-Away> !python
[04:50] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 208 kB
[04:50] <soulrider> hi everyone
[04:50] <PF-Away> _ is important _
[04:50] <xBill> soulrider : hi
[04:51] <ForgeAus> hehe laptop I didn't mean hippy pot-smoking new-age lol :)
[04:51] <m03> hmm
[04:51] <m03>                Depth           1
[04:51] <m03>                 Modes           "1024x768"
[04:51] <m03> could I just change that?
[04:51] <laptop> no?
[04:51] <ForgeAus> you could
[04:51] <m03> try o force it?
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> Depth 1?
[04:51] <ForgeAus> force it?
[04:51] <m03> no to 1280x1024
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> look for depth 16 or 24
[04:51] <ForgeAus> you can add/edit/change it all you like
[04:52] <xBill> m03: the correct way was to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in a terminal, where you will be asked for all settings
[04:53] <m03> alright xBill i'll try that
[04:53] <xBill> k
[04:53] <laptop> hmmmm
[04:53] <laptop> I just checked mine is set to the same thing
[04:53] <ForgeAus> xBill I found that quite confusing to run through but I agree with it being the correct way
[04:53] <laptop> I need 1280x1024 for my lcd as well
[04:53] <laptop> I think this is a bug for ubuntu
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> if you know your settings, it works just as well to manually edit the .conf
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> not at all, runs at 1280x1024 fine :)
[04:54] <m03> no it's not laptop
[04:54] <m03> just video card drivers
[04:54] <laptop> Its not reading my lcd
[04:54] <untouch> hi i got a problem with my sound i dont hear any sound ;( i have a audigy 2 zs
[04:54] <ins-dragonclaw> yep, thats a problem
[04:54] <laptop> I dont know how to change .conf files.
[04:54] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo kwrite /etc/blabla.conf
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> laptop: like i said, if you know what you're doing.  personally i'd recommend dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:55] <xBill> ForgeAus : i edit my xorg.conf by hand, too.  but  it's better this way if u don't have so much experience
[04:55] <ForgeAus> um for kwrite its kdesu
[04:55] <ForgeAus> (its  gui app - for gui apps ude kdesu, for console ones sudo)
[04:55] <ins-dragonclaw> oh, my bad
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> ForgeAus: sudo will still work
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> just not as pretty :)
[04:55] <ins-dragonclaw> just gives 1 or 2 errors
[04:55] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[04:56] <laptop> So, type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:56] <mjunx> kdesu!!
[04:56] <mjunx> you could also use kate :)
[04:56] <ForgeAus> daisuke yeah but I'm sure I was told by someone its not good to do that way.. for some reason that I aren't advanced enough to know right now
[04:56] <ins-dragonclaw> kwrite loads faster
[04:56] <ins-dragonclaw> for me, anyway
[04:56] <ForgeAus> I think kate is based on kwrite isn't it?
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> ForgeAus: i haven't had a problem, but i'll definitely take that into consideration.  learn something new every day :D
[04:57] <xBill> (vim rocks ;-))
[04:57] <ForgeAus> Daisuke ask Jucato, he'd know more
[04:57] <xBill> (loads faster than kwrite or kate)
[04:57] <ForgeAus> xBill sorry, I can't deal with vim!
[04:57] <ins-dragonclaw> it's like 2kb big
[04:57] <ForgeAus> I can't stand a text editor that you need to change modes just to cursor around / delete text, etc...
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> vim is NOT something you want a "typical" desktop user using just to edit conf files
[04:58] <xBill> wasn't serious ^^
[04:58] <ins-dragonclaw> ...right...
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> emacs, however >_>
[04:58] <laptop> I have a laptop I dont know which graphic chipset it uses
[04:58] <laptop> ugh
[04:58] <ins-dragonclaw> "The Linux has you, Neo"
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> well, intel or amd processor?
[04:58] <laptop> intel
[04:59] <xBill> laptop: run "lspci" in a terminal
[04:59] <m03> did anyone get my last question?
[04:59] <m03> by the way if I were to edit xorg.config
[04:59] <m03> how do I rehash/apply?
[04:59] <otwin> just upgraded to feisty - where do I enable compiz?
[04:59] <Daisuke_Ido> most likely an intel graphics chipset
[04:59] <ForgeAus> emacs I know little about but it does seem quite powerful like vim I guess in that sense, emacs also seems to have a close relationship with the Lisp programming language
[04:59] <Daisuke_Ido> m03: restart X
 most likely an intel graphics chipset <-- no, really
[04:59] <ins-dragonclaw> never woulda guessed :)
[04:59] <laptop> haha
[04:59] <Daisuke_Ido> ins-dragonclaw: captain obvious again :D
[05:00] <ForgeAus> oh we have an einstein among our midsts?
[05:00] <laptop> He's right
[05:00] <laptop> it is an intel graphics
[05:00] <laptop> smart
[05:01] <ins-dragonclaw> KMenu > System Settings > Monitor & Display > Hardware
[05:01] <ins-dragonclaw> For a precise model no. you'll have to go to admin mode
[05:01] <ForgeAus> or just run a system info utility
[05:02] <ins-dragonclaw> or just be a Perl programmer, type }}:] #] :}%}##$:#} and save the world
[05:02] <ForgeAus> I'm sure there is one in KDE somewhere, forgot the name of it
[05:02] <ForgeAus> lol Perl? no thanx
[05:02] <ins-dragonclaw> exactly
[05:02] <laptop> 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics
[05:02] <ins-dragonclaw> sounds about right
[05:02] <ins-dragonclaw> same chipset I use
[05:03] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:03] <laptop> But what option do I pick?
[05:03] <ForgeAus> sounds just like everything else I ever saw... half left to me
[05:03] <laptop> I typed sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:03] <laptop> And it gives me a list to choose from
[05:03] <ins-dragonclaw> hibye
[05:04] <ins-dragonclaw> try i810
[05:04] <ForgeAus> ins u ever heard that old lame joke? did you hear about the man who had his whole left side cut off?... he was all right!..
[05:04] <laptop> okay
[05:04] <ins-dragonclaw> yep, sure is lame, now that i've heard of it ^^
[05:04] <ins-dragonclaw> I smell smoke...
[05:05] <ins-dragonclaw> >_>
[05:05] <ForgeAus> thats usually not a good thing
[05:05] <ins-dragonclaw> actually it is
[05:05] <ins-dragonclaw> smoke = barbeque :D
[05:05] <ForgeAus> like I said thats usually not a good thing
[05:05] <laptop> Bus Identifier....ugh
[05:06] <ins-dragonclaw> You're not allowed to be vegetarian, AmyRose
[05:06] <ForgeAus> even bbq smoke isn't healthy, sometimes the food isn't either!
[05:06] <ins-dragonclaw> it's bad for you
[05:06] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[05:06] <ins-dragonclaw> Hey! I'm doing the cooking tonight!
[05:06] <m03> yeah no luck
[05:06] <m03> =/ damn
[05:07] <ForgeAus> AmyRose, thats sad, your missing out on really good nutrients and protein
[05:07] <ins-dragonclaw> ooh. mirc
[05:07] <AmyRose> Fake meat tastes better than real meat.
[05:07] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah
[05:07] <ins-dragonclaw> if you're a vegetarian
[05:07] <ins-dragonclaw> you should try Namibian meat
[05:07] <ForgeAus> hehe yeah mirc works under kubuntu
[05:07] <ForgeAus> (I've used it before)
[05:07] <AmyRose> Why the heck would you want to use Shareware?
[05:07] <ForgeAus> but I'm actually currently in XP
[05:07] <laptop> mirc?
[05:07] <AmyRose> laptop, I thought you were a computer ;P
[05:07] <tmbg_> AmyRose, for every animal that you don't eat, I shall ensure that two die. I will therefore order chicken steak and pork at my next dining outing.
[05:08] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:08] <ins-dragonclaw> exactly
[05:08] <ForgeAus> yeah laptop you need wine tho to run it
[05:08] <laptop> I thought mirc was windows only
[05:08] <laptop> oh
[05:08] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah
[05:08] <AmyRose> tmbg_, THAT is NOT the reason I'm a vegetarian!
[05:08] <m03> ForgeAus, you use wine for mIRC?
[05:08] <laptop> lol
[05:08] <ins-dragonclaw> I drink wine...
[05:08] <tmbg_> AmyRose, why then?
[05:08] <ForgeAus> m03 well actually to be more precise I use cxoffice (crossover office)...
[05:08] <ins-dragonclaw> i don't run windoze programs with it
[05:08] <ForgeAus> which is basically a fancy version of wine
[05:08] <m03> ah yeah
[05:08] <m03> nice software there
[05:08] <tmbg_> btw i'm still going to make sure that three animals die.
[05:08] <ins-dragonclaw> * AmyRose is a vegetarian because she hates meat
[05:08] <ForgeAus> I like it too :)
[05:08] <AmyRose> I'm a vegetarian because I don't like meat. "I'm a vegetarian" sounds more polite than "Eww! Grosss! I don't like that!"
[05:08] <tmbg_> sounds fun. and tasty
[05:08] <m03> how much did that cost you anywho?
[05:09] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:09] <AmyRose> laptop, use a VM for that
[05:09] <ForgeAus> theres colinux
[05:09] <ins-dragonclaw> that would be the day
[05:09] <ForgeAus> or interix
[05:09] <ins-dragonclaw> or just install linux
[05:09] <ForgeAus> (or cygwin)
[05:09] <AmyRose> or VirtualBox: www.virtualbox.org
[05:09] <ins-dragonclaw> solves all the problems :)
[05:09] <laptop> IF game makers made games for Linux, windows would lose
[05:10] <ins-dragonclaw> wakeup call: They are
[05:10] <ins-dragonclaw> ID made Doom and Quake for linux
[05:10] <AmyRose> It's "id", not "ID"
[05:10] <ForgeAus> actually laptop has a point the games market is driving bulk of the computer market right now
[05:10] <ins-dragonclaw> and there's gonna be an opensource gaming revolution in a few years
[05:10] <ins-dragonclaw> IDont really care :)
[05:10] <AmyRose> The best Doom-based game is Sonic Robo Blast 2: http://www.srb2.org
[05:10] <ForgeAus> Microsoft themselves say they truly believe the next revolution in computers will be a software one
[05:10] <ins-dragonclaw> game developers are getting angry at major software houses.
[05:11] <ins-dragonclaw> I need to find that article again...
[05:11] <ForgeAus> ins, why's that?
[05:11] <AmyRose> Microsoft probably means that they're switching to subscription pricing soon
[05:11] <orange1> ins-dragonclaw: they can get angry all they want - they wont walk away from the paycheck
[05:11] <ins-dragonclaw> give me a few minutes to find the article, ForgeAus
[05:11] <Arbosis> does anyone knows what to do with "cannot allocate resource region 2 of decive 0000:05:00:0 before loading the gui ??  :S
[05:12] <tmbg_> ins-dragonclaw, ID also put gigantic backdoors in quake2.
[05:12] <Skrot> How big are the gigantic backdoors compared to the regular-sized ones?
[05:12] <ForgeAus> I have to say I'm no fan of the whole quake thing
[05:12] <ForgeAus> lol skrot :)
[05:13] <ForgeAus> yeah exactly how do you measure a backdoor?
[05:13] <tmbg_> Skrot, this one was very bad and very trivial to exploit.
[05:13] <laptop> Games like WoW, Second LIfe, Sims... (you know the boring games)
[05:13] <tmbg_> let me dig up the advisory
[05:13] <ins-dragonclaw> http://crystaltips.typepad.com/wonderland/2005/03/burn_the_house_.html
[05:13] <orange1> ah games... programming took my life over - soo much to learn and so little time
[05:14] <ForgeAus> agreed orange
[05:14] <ForgeAus> which language do you prefer?
[05:14] <orange1> how did it turn out like this - from 10-15 hour game sessions 7 days a week to working and school
[05:14] <ins-dragonclaw> life
[05:14] <ins-dragonclaw> does that to you
[05:14] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[05:15] <orange1> ForgeAus: I 'm self studying Actionscript (flash) while taking courses in java
[05:15] <ins-dragonclaw> tmbg_: backdoors in quake?
[05:15] <CarinArr> Arbosis: it can be hardware conflicts etc.. are you having any problems that you've noticed when you're using linux?
[05:15] <ins-dragonclaw> well, i don't game at all, so i suppose it's ok.
[05:15] <CarinArr> Arbosis: if you do then the first place to look would probably be for a bios update
[05:16] <tmbg_> I'm lagged. but anyway  yes. I will dig up the quake advisory
[05:16] <ForgeAus> oh java?... hmmm actually actionscript and java use similar format (as far as I can tell actionscript is c-like from what I've seen and Java is very C++ like)
[05:16] <Arbosis> i use winxp now for play, i have used knoppix with this pc and i haven't got any problems
[05:16] <CarinArr> Arbosis: if you don't have any problems i wouldn't worry about it
[05:16] <ForgeAus> wow is boring?
[05:16] <Arbosis> but it stays at konsole mode
[05:17] <Arbosis> it doesnt load gui
[05:17] <CarinArr> Arbosis: ah.. that might be a problem;)
[05:17] <ForgeAus> I wonder why its so popular if its boring
[05:17] <orange1> ForgeAus: when i started java - my prof was chairman of CIS dept and basically useless - came and went as he pleased - so by learning AS2 i was able to learn java
[05:17] <ins-dragonclaw> ForgeAus: its not boring. it's repetitive
[05:17] <CarinArr> Arbosis: what machine is this?
[05:17] <ins-dragonclaw> click click click boom click click click argh click click GAME OVER
[05:17] <orange1> ForgeAus: WoW paid for my tuition - gaming paid off
[05:17] <ins-dragonclaw> this is why i don't really play games
[05:17] <Arbosis> adm 64 3700+  ati radeon x800gto2
[05:17] <ForgeAus> I like gaming I wish I could make them myself!
[05:18] <ForgeAus> mostly stuff like popcap games
[05:18] <Arbosis> msi k8n neo platinum
[05:18] <ForgeAus> (puzzle ones, shanghai, tetris-attack-style, card games... that kinda thing)
[05:18] <CarinArr> Arbosis: first thing i would do is check if you can find a bios update
[05:18] <orange1> Arbosis: what ya doing ?
[05:18] <firecrotch> I'm not familiar with using tar from the command line... how can I tar and gzip a folder ?
[05:18] <ForgeAus> not really into 3d/fps's...
[05:18] <ForgeAus> I also love vs fighting games
[05:18] <CarinArr> orange1: he's getting "cnnot allocate resource region..." messages at boot and doesn't get a gui
[05:18] <ForgeAus> (ok well as far as 3d goes there Tekken series isn't so bad, but I prefer 2D ones like Capcom)
[05:19] <Arbosis> how can i find the correct bios update? i hven done that before
[05:19] <ins-dragonclaw> hey ForgeAus, guess what? You're gaming right now
[05:19] <ins-dragonclaw> It's called " Multiplayer Notepad " :)
[05:19] <CarinArr> Arbosis: you can normally find them through the manufacturer of the motherboard
[05:19] <ForgeAus> rofl
[05:19] <untouch> hi i have a problem with my sound device i dont geht any sounds i have an audigy 2 zs and one onboard sound card
[05:19] <ForgeAus> I game alot
[05:20] <ForgeAus> been playing lotsa slingo quest lately
[05:20] <orange1> Arbosis: i remember when i did a bios update - it came with so many warnings... basically if u install the wrong one or mess it up ur mobo is dead - unless ...
[05:20] <laptop> He's right
[05:20] <laptop> controlling distribution is HUGE
[05:20] <ForgeAus> but I just got through the main quest with all stars, I just need one more stamp
[05:20] <Arbosis> :S
[05:20] <laptop> its the most important point on that page
[05:20] <ForgeAus> (well technically 2 but one stamp earns you both...)
[05:20] <ForgeAus> (because the last one is a stamp for getting all other stamps stamp... kinda like a metastamp :) hehe)
[05:20] <laptop> distributors always hold power over manufacturers......if you can change that, you can control the world.
[05:21] <CarinArr> firecrotch: tar zcf filename.tar.gz filesToZip
[05:21] <ForgeAus> I also had an idea for triangualr dominos...
[05:21] <orange1> CarinArr:  xzvf = ??
[05:21] <ForgeAus> just for something different :)
[05:21] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:21] <ForgeAus> of course I guess its already been done as square ones... (ever heard of tetravex?)
[05:21] <CarinArr> orange1: he's wantng to zip, not unzip
[05:22] <ins-dragonclaw> nope
[05:22] <orange1> CarinArr: nm i wanted to know what xzvf meant - when i unzipped files
[05:22] <ForgeAus> ins, then your deprived lol
[05:22] <ins-dragonclaw> xvzfxvzfxzxfvxzfxvzfxvzx - sounds like a distribution board going haywire :s
[05:22] <laptop> minesweeper
[05:22] <ForgeAus> minesweeper's kinda boring
[05:22] <firecrotch> Thank you, CarinArr
[05:23] <ins-dragonclaw> minesweeper -was- awesome ... then i lost in 3 seconds and never played again
[05:23] <ins-dragonclaw> I prefer solitare
[05:23] <ForgeAus> ahh yes card games
[05:23] <CarinArr> orange1: x extract, z specifies that it's gzip, v is verbose, f is file
[05:23] <ForgeAus> I'd like to see kpatience grow into something better
[05:23] <ins-dragonclaw> ForgeAus: help it along :)
[05:23] <orange1> CarinArr: noted
[05:23] <ForgeAus> plugins and multi-player would be nice additions
[05:24] <orange1> so whats the most popular linux game anyway?
[05:24] <ins-dragonclaw> orange1: It's called Konsole on my machine. Xterm is another name :)
[05:24] <ins-dragonclaw> My favorite game is Kate
[05:24] <ins-dragonclaw> :P
[05:24] <orange1> lol
[05:24] <laptop> ?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> get it good enough to handle stuff like yugioh/pokemon cards... then make a ripoff game that uses those kind features and watch others make a plugin for the original copywritten ones :)
[05:24] <ins-dragonclaw> not kidding
[05:25] <CarinArr> ins-dragonclaw has such a fun life;)
[05:25] <ins-dragonclaw> i write for fun
[05:25] <ins-dragonclaw> hey - i'm not complaining
[05:25] <CarinArr> tho i don't really play games.. i'm sure i should do given i'm in the graphics industry
[05:25] <ins-dragonclaw> whether you code or creative-write, you're creating something new
[05:25] <ubotu> Announcement from my owner (Seveas): ubotu will be offline for maintenance
[05:25] <ins-dragonclaw> that's the key
[05:25] <CarinArr> well i play console games, just not pc ones much
[05:25] <ForgeAus> Graphics are kewl I'm hopeless at drawing, but great a desgin
[05:25] <firecrotch> Oh noes! Ubotu!
[05:26] <ins-dragonclaw> does anyone know any linux SNES emulators?
[05:26] <ForgeAus> grr design (not sure how that works but it seems to... in my case)
[05:26] <ForgeAus> yes
[05:26] <ForgeAus> zsnes mostly
[05:26] <CarinArr> was playing snes games on my wii the other day *hugs wii*
[05:26] <ForgeAus> (its a multi-platform one for both windows and Linux and mac among others)
[05:26] <orange1> o yea! i did burn a complilation of all the SNES games ever made on 4 cds... maybe i should find those
[05:27] <laptop> Do you like WII?
[05:27] <ForgeAus> hehe orange, they'd probably fit on a single DV
[05:27] <ForgeAus> D
[05:27] <laptop> Ive heard its fun but graphically its dated
[05:27] <ForgeAus> Wii is ok
[05:27] <orange1> ForgeAus: didnt have dvds at that time.
[05:27] <ForgeAus> I'm looking more into PSX3 tho
[05:27] <CarinArr> it is graphically a bit dated
[05:27] <Ubugtu> Announcement from my owner (Seveas): ubugtu will be taken offline and integrated with ubotu - epect some downtime
[05:27] <laptop> PSX3?
[05:27] <CarinArr> but it's great fun
[05:27] <ForgeAus> erm ps3
[05:27] <laptop> oh
[05:27] <laptop> me too
[05:27] <CarinArr> the wiimote makes all the difference
[05:27] <ForgeAus> (the original used to be PSX I still can't get used to dropping the X)
[05:28] <CarinArr> i dunno.. i object to paying a small fortune for a games console
[05:28] <laptop> PS3 should own, ive seen quite a few video clips of games in development and they are quite impressive
[05:28] <laptop> plus, people are running ubuntu on PS3
[05:28] <ForgeAus> of course the re-release of PSX was a PSO
[05:28] <CarinArr> the ps3 starts at 425 or something here
[05:28] <ForgeAus> (for Playstation One)
[05:28] <CarinArr> er 425 odd quid
[05:28] <ForgeAus> I heard PS3 is PS2 and PS1 backward compatible
[05:28] <orange1> are ps2 games able to be emulated yet?
[05:28] <ForgeAus> yes
[05:29] <ForgeAus> pcsx2
[05:29] <ForgeAus> although the emulator for linux isn't in a repository that I noticed
[05:29] <ForgeAus> I had to manually build it
[05:29] <ins-dragonclaw> CarinArr: your pound sign works fine
[05:29] <CarinArr> anyone around here using avant-window-navigator?
[05:29] <CarinArr> ins-dragonclaw: doesn't in my terminal;)
[05:30] <AmyRose> Nice funky L, CarinArr ;P
[05:30] <orange1> whats with the reconnects?
[05:31] <ins-dragonclaw> peer's on the loose
[05:31] <ForgeAus> http://www.silwenae.org/blog/?p=666  ???
[05:31] <ins-dragonclaw> CarinArr: the pound showed up as  - which is perfectly normal on my screen
[05:31] <ins-dragonclaw> peer's on a -rampage-
[05:31] <laptop> i like the way Konversation looks
[05:32] <laptop> but I like the way Xchat functions
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> same here
[05:32] <ForgeAus> konversation is ok
[05:32] <ForgeAus> I prefer mIRC tho
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> I like the builtin Konsole
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> and the simplicity
[05:32] <ForgeAus> Konversation feels... incomplete
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> all i want to do is chat - konversation works perfectly for that
[05:32] <AmyRose> mIRC sux cuz it's shareware, and shareware sux
[05:32] <ForgeAus> still nice in most ways
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> ForgeAus: i know what you mean
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> but mirc + NNS = too much
[05:32] <laptop> yeah but how can I join multiple servers in konversation?
[05:33] <ins-dragonclaw> I only used mirc when I was a server admin, since it made my life easier
[05:33] <orange1> so many console games in newsgroups -- is it not possible to run them on pc?
[05:33] <ins-dragonclaw> laptop - F7 and type the new address
[05:33] <AmyRose> What's better, Konversation or KVirc?
[05:33] <orange1> kvirc
[05:33] <ins-dragonclaw> you can join as many servers as you want
[05:33] <martalli> lol -xchat
[05:33] <laptop> hrm
[05:33] <CarinArr> irssi ftw
[05:33] <orange1> xchat is too minimal
[05:33] <laptop> seee
[05:33] <orange1> and its ugly.
[05:33] <laptop> why doesnt it give me a list of servers to connect to in Konversation?
[05:33] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:33] <ForgeAus> whats NNS?
[05:33] <BluesKaj> actually Konverstion works well ...mirc is more mature , but konverstion is close IMO
[05:33] <ins-dragonclaw> laptop: no server.ini
[05:34] <martalli> Is that right?  I have been using it for years....maybe I will check out kvirc
[05:34] <laptop> thats no cool
[05:34] <ForgeAus> no need for a server.ini
[05:34] <ins-dragonclaw> No Name Script. Best mIRC addon on the planet
[05:34] <CarinArr> irssi is very good
[05:34] <laptop> Another something I have to memorise?
[05:34] <ForgeAus> irssi is curses but I agree its good
[05:34] <ins-dragonclaw> just add the servers you use
[05:34] <CarinArr> unless you're highly gui dependent
[05:34] <laptop> Life is gui
[05:34] <laptop> gimme a break
[05:34] <redcard> I personally use IRC and Bltbee and SSH
[05:34] <ForgeAus> Xchat and B!tchX are the two most mature *nix gui IRC clients right?
[05:34] <redcard> IRSSI, rather.
[05:35] <CarinArr> bltbee
[05:35] <CarinArr> cute;)
[05:35] <ForgeAus> ssh is an irc client?
[05:35] <laptop> If only Konversation had a server list....it'd be perfect
[05:35] <redcard> ForgeAus: It is when it connects to the server :)
[05:35] <redcard> Then screen -r -d and the IRC pops right up, no matter where i access it from.
[05:35] <ForgeAus> thats like telnetting to an IRC server isn't it?
[05:35] <CarinArr> well no
[05:36] <CarinArr> basically you run irssi inside a screen
[05:36] <BluesKaj> laptop, agreed ..why it doesn't is beyond me :(
[05:36] <redcard> CarinArr: Yeah. :)
[05:36] <CarinArr> and wherever you are you can ssh to that server and resume your screen
[05:36] <ForgeAus> well thats not ssh, thats irssi via ssh
[05:36] <CarinArr> no nasty disconnections
[05:36] <CarinArr> yeah, it's not ssh
[05:36] <ins-dragonclaw> Secure SHell. it's a communications protocol, not an Irc client. lol
[05:37] <redcard> I've occasionally run it thorugh a proxy.. but I'm an old school IRCer.  I've been doing IRC since IRCII and I had a few custom IRC clients that were specially made for a certain group of people.
[05:37] <martalli> Having a curses-based irc client comes in really handy when you break your X and need help from your irc buddies...at least it helped back inthe day.  Since switching back to the debian world, such things are easier to fix
[05:37] <CarinArr> you can telnet to an irc server if you really want to ;)
[05:37] <martalli> telnet 6667
[05:37] <ForgeAus> ircii! now those were the days!
[05:37] <martalli> You need to learn some arcane stuff, though
[05:37] <CarinArr> indeed
[05:37] <ForgeAus> of web browsing via lynx...
[05:37] <laptop> Oh on Konversation how do you set your presence to invisible or private????
[05:37] <AmyRose> And you can't forget to PONG!
[05:37] <ForgeAus> and when gopher used to mean something
[05:37] <AmyRose> or you get kicked off
[05:37] <CarinArr> lol AmyRose
[05:38] <ForgeAus> and archie was for searching ftp's!
[05:38] <martalli> I was using irc back in 1989.  Sometimes we would use the dumb terminals for irc by telnetting to the port 6667
[05:38] <CarinArr> i only just swapped from epic to irssi a couple of months ago
[05:38] <redcard> Personally, IRC's golden age ended with two events.  One, MIRC.  Two, AOL opening up to the net.
[05:38] <CarinArr> and i still use pine for my email
[05:38] <ForgeAus> redcard I disagree
[05:38] <CarinArr> yikes
[05:38] <ForgeAus> mIRC didn't end irc's golden age.. if anythign it bought IRC to the windows masses!
[05:38] <CarinArr> it actually is a decade
[05:38] <CarinArr> i'm so old
[05:39] <redcard> ForgeAus: No.  It didn't.  It brought scriptkiddies into IRC.
[05:39] <laptop> true
[05:39] <redcard> The "Windows Masses" still don't know how to use IRC.
[05:39] <CarinArr> to be honest, not a lot of people used irc bfore mirc
[05:39] <ins-dragonclaw> redcard: uhuh
[05:39] <ForgeAus> what ended the golden age of IRC was IM's like yahoo, AOL, MSN, and ICQ
[05:39] <laptop> I watched the big servers grow to be enormous using mIRC
[05:39] <ins-dragonclaw> the golden age is -growing-
[05:39] <laptop> yup
[05:40] <jarn> How do I know if I have 6.06 or 6.10?
[05:40] <laptop> and then it led to myspace type sites
[05:40] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[05:40] <ubotwo> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:40] <Tm_T> gah
[05:40] <ForgeAus> CarinArr I don't think thats a fair statement
[05:40] <laptop> now nobody even knows what IRC is
[05:40] <ForgeAus> lots of people used IRC before mIRC was even invented
[05:40] <sasq> hmm there seems to be no music player that handles all formats? except maybe xmms?
[05:40] <CarinArr> jarn: lsb_release -d
[05:40] <Tm_T> !mp3 | sasq
[05:40] <ubotwo> sasq: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:40] <CarinArr> ForgeAus: i'm talking relative to the number of people that do now
[05:40] <ins-dragonclaw> sasq: install libxine-extracodecs and use Amarok
[05:40] <sasq> im talking about other formats
[05:40] <sasq> like mods
[05:40] <laptop> irc is still alive, but its a BOX in someone's Myspace page....they still text to eachother in IRC style
[05:40] <CarinArr> mirc has been around for a fair while tho
 sasq: install libxine-extracodecs and use Amarok
[05:41] <CarinArr> at least 10-11 years
[05:41] <laptop> longer
[05:41] <Tm_T> laptop: CarinArr: that's offtopic
[05:41] <jarn> CarinArr: Thanks. :D
[05:41] <laptop> and?
[05:41] <sasq> and sids
[05:41] <ForgeAus> CarinArr I'm not saying its not the most widely used IRC client (at least among windows users)
[05:41] <Tm_T> laptop: for offtopic issues, there's #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> anyone else running feisty having problems with kde crashing since yesterday's updates?
[05:41] <laptop> unfortunately in Konversation I cant set my presence to private
[05:42] <laptop> so I get ads
[05:42] <AmyRose> Ads??
[05:42] <ForgeAus> that may not be the case nowerdays, but it certainly had to have been at some point - if not still is)
[05:42] <laptop> yeah "come check out my webpage cuz Im hot and sexy..."
[05:42] <laptop> ads
[05:42] <tmbg_> sigh.  manually sending those pongs got so annoying
[05:42] <laptop> esp. on the huge uber servers like undernet or dalnet
[05:42] <tmbg_> especially on the servers that send some kind of token with the ping that you had to answer back with
[05:42] <CarinArr> ForgeAus: i'd keep on this conversation but tm_t will throw a wobbly
[05:43] <ForgeAus> lol
[05:43] <ForgeAus> its ok
[05:43] <ins-dragonclaw> CarinArr: that's why they invented /query ;)
[05:43] <ForgeAus> I at least DO talk Kubuntu as well
[05:43] <Tm_T> CarinArr: ForgeAus: go to -offtopic channel ;)
[05:43] <sasq> at least there are modplayers for audacious, even if theyre not it the apt-database...
[05:43] <ForgeAus> mod! now that was a great music format!
[05:43] <ForgeAus> mostly from Amiga right?
[05:43] <sasq> so I guess thats the player ill set as default, and not amarok... which I found strange
[05:43] <sasq> yeah
[05:43] <ForgeAus> I always preferred mod over midi anyhow
[05:44] <CarinArr> lol
[05:44] <ins-dragonclaw> <3 OGG
[05:44] <ForgeAus> ogg is kewl
[05:44] <CarinArr> from one off topic conversation to another
[05:44] <Tm_T> yup
[05:44] <ForgeAus> wait mods are not necessarily off-topic
[05:44] <Tm_T> feel free to join #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[05:44] <ForgeAus> its a file format...
[05:44] <martalli> I am primarily using ogg - I got a Cowon player that has it and haven't looked back
[05:45] <martalli> Great for podcasts and audio-digests int he car
[05:45] <tmbg_> I understand it's a huge channel with lots of ppl/traffic. but man does on-topic get boring sometimes
[05:45] <CarinArr> i like amarok, apart from the annoying fact that while it'll transfer my music onto my ipod it won't transfer playlists
[05:45] <redcard> Well, what's there really to talk about with Kubuntu?  We're in a lag right now.. that quiet twilight as a new release is imminent, and nobody wants to install Kubuntu, but would rather wait until Feisty comes out
[05:45] <sasq> isnt there at least a sid-plugin for amarok?
[05:45] <CarinArr> tmbg_: well said
[05:45] <sstchur> It seems that kubuntu edgy is not very receptive to installing istanbul?  Has anyone else seen this?
[05:45] <martalli> redcard:  I'm chatting with ya from feisty fawn right now - it works great
[05:45] <CarinArr> but tm_t has a valid point;)
[05:45] <ForgeAus> Tm_T I havn't noticed many
[05:45] <CarinArr> key there is "noticed";)
[05:46] <ForgeAus> if there are I'm willing to answer them If I notice and are able to assist
[05:46] <Tm_T> so stop that foofoo and wait
[05:46] <Tm_T> thanks
[05:46] <ForgeAus> Tm_T why wait?
[05:46] <ForgeAus> whats wrong with putting some C in IRC?
[05:46] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:46] <tmbg_> the other danger is if I'm in a channel marked 'offtopic' I might wind up too 'offcolor' heh
[05:46] <ForgeAus> afterall isn't that what its for?
[05:46] <ins-dragonclaw> well.... ForgeAus has a point
[05:47] <ins-dragonclaw> but this is the support channel
[05:47] <CarinArr> before this digresses.. we were pretty solidly offtopic for a long while there, normally you dont get complaints for slight digressions
[05:47] <redcard> This channel is not nearly high traffic enough to start being the "offtopic" police anyway
[05:47] <ForgeAus> besides if I'm in an -offtopic channel there isn't the same list of users there
[05:47] <martalli> Say, I have an on-topic question:  Is there a key sequence for going directly to the (google) search box on konquerer?
[05:47] <Tm_T> martalli: gg
[05:47] <sasq> Now, is there a KDE-player that uses gstreamer ?
[05:47] <twleve> Hello, I woke up to apache2 being crashed. When I try to start it says there are dependencies problems. I try to update them but it doesnt seem to work.'
[05:47] <Tm_T> martalli: but you might need to enable it
[05:47] <ins-dragonclaw> sasq - Kaffeine comes to mind, but i might be wrong
[05:47] <ForgeAus> sasq you know I can't think of one
[05:47] <sasq> seems to have more plugins available
[05:47] <CarinArr> twleve: does it say what dependencies?
[05:47] <ForgeAus> I thought there would have been! but offhand none come to mind
[05:47] <twleve> CarinArr -> apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libdb-4.2.so
[05:48] <martalli> My son was disappointed not to get the wobbly windows and the switcher on his computer (but it is a little old (p3-600 =)
[05:48] <twleve> I try apt-get upgrade... then apt-get install apache2
[05:48] <ForgeAus> wobbly windows? yeiks!
[05:48] <ForgeAus> nice to see once, maybe 2ce but not to keep!
[05:48] <ins-dragonclaw> that's a cool addon
[05:48] <CarinArr> twleve: did you upgrade those libraries?
[05:48] <Tm_T> martalli: should work
[05:48] <CarinArr> but im addicted to eyecandy
[05:49] <ForgeAus> hehe do the magic lantern minimize and menu effect :)
[05:49] <ForgeAus> you call that eyecandy?
[05:49] <CarinArr> twleve: or did that error start occuring without you touching anything (the latter seems highly unlikely)
[05:49] <twleve> CarinArr: I did apt-get build-dep apache2 ... I think it could be a symlink problem from what I have been reading.. But I am not really sure how to check that? Or to create the new symlinks.
[05:49] <CarinArr> actually.. the magic lantern annoys me
[05:49] <ForgeAus> I must admit I do like the transparency effects tho :)
[05:49] <CarinArr> plus it pauses for a second before it disappears completely
[05:50] <ForgeAus> plus it takes too long
[05:50] <ForgeAus> for the entire effect I mean
[05:50] <CarinArr> twleve: have you checked that the /so files it's looking for actually exist?
[05:50] <martalli> I didn't see much point to wobbly windows, either, but the whole package is kind of nice...just a more attractive way of windows switching and a nice "expose" look-a-like function
[05:51] <CarinArr> i like the sticky windows thing tho
[05:51] <ForgeAus> personally I just like the desktop cube
[05:51] <twleve> Where does apache look for teh /so file? I have the file located in /usr/lib~
[05:51] <CarinArr> for the simple reason that i love putting my laptop on the projector at work and seeing my students goign "wtf"
[05:51] <martalli> Tm_T:  I looked for under configure shortcuts, but I couldn't figure out where to set a shortcut for gong right to the search
[05:51] <ins-dragonclaw> lol CarinArr
[05:51] <Tm_T> martalli: gg:foo I think
[05:51] <Tm_T> not sure though
[05:52] <CarinArr> twleve: sorry. the .so file you said it complained about;)
[05:52] <twleve> CarinArr: Yes, it is in /usr/lib~
[05:52] <ForgeAus> is there any software that makes animated wallpapers?
[05:52] <ForgeAus> (or backgrounds or whatever you want to call them)
[05:52] <ins-dragonclaw> that would be nice, but I don't know
[05:53] <CarinArr> twleve: dunno if i can be of much help i'm afraid. I don't have apache installed here and haven't had for a while
[05:53] <ins-dragonclaw> i have the kmatrix3d screensaver. Having it as the desktop background would be awesome
[05:53] <ForgeAus> unless you use activeDesktop under Windows I don't know of any other way to have an animated b/g
[05:53] <ForgeAus> I love that screensaver Dragonclaw :)
[05:53] <ins-dragonclaw> what if you make an animated .gif as the background?
[05:53] <ins-dragonclaw> lol - i have a screenshot from it as my current backdrop. my konsole also uses it :)
[05:54] <twleve> CarinArr: Do you know how I would check to make sure the /so lib is symlink to apache correct?
[05:54] <Ryiel> !vmware
[05:54] <ubotwo> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[05:54] <ForgeAus> wormhole isn't a bad X screensaver either
[05:54] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[05:55] <ins-dragonclaw> i think i'll stick to what i have
[05:55] <ForgeAus> !virtualizers
[05:55] <ins-dragonclaw> only because i really love it :)
[05:55] <ubotwo> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu or !qvm86), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[05:55] <ForgeAus> fiesty has kvm right?
[05:55] <ins-dragonclaw> *shrugs* no idea
[05:55] <ForgeAus> (I guess thats for #ubuntu+1 tho)
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: yes
[05:55] <markrian> Sup y'all - I'm having some trouble with katapult. If I type in part of a track I have in amarok, katapult finds it alright, but when I hit enter, nothing happens. Any ideas as to what the problem is?
[05:55] <ins-dragonclaw> mhmm
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: at least the e-mail announcing it's beta claimed so. I've never used it :)
[05:56] <CarinArr> i use solar winds
[05:56] <ForgeAus> !cxoffice
[05:56] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[05:56] <ForgeAus> awww
[05:56] <ins-dragonclaw> !life
[05:56] <ForgeAus> it knows cedega but not cxoffice .. how sad
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> !getting-high
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> lol it hates me
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> !kppp
[05:57] <ubotwo> kppp - modem dialer and ppp frontend for KDE - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> my saviour...
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> !knetload
[05:57] <ubotwo> knetload - a network meter for Kicker - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[05:57] <aaron_> can I upgrade 6.06 to 6.10 from inside the konsole
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> 'available in Ubuntu 6.10' - now why don't i have it?
[05:58] <ForgeAus> aaron apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[05:58] <martalli> kvirc or kvirc2?  Why are both in the repositories?
[05:58] <ForgeAus> needs a sudo on the front of it tho
[05:58] <ForgeAus> theres also a ksirc
[05:59] <aaron_> it didnt upgrade anything
[05:59] <martalli> no, both kvirc and kvirc2
[05:59] <martalli> oh well, i will just install kvirc2
[05:59] <aaron_> is there a repository I need to add or something
[05:59] <twleve> Does anyone know how to check if apache2 is reading the correct /so lib files? Where do I tell apache about those /so files?
[06:00] <CarinArr> aaron_: what are you upgrading from and what do you want to upgrade to?
[06:00] <el-grecco> saludso terricolas
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> agge nee
[06:00] <ForgeAus> twelve do the man pages give you any info?
[06:00] <ForgeAus> either that or google them
[06:00] <aaron_> I want to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> ok. how do I update the apt-get thingy? with the latest list of available packages?
[06:00] <ForgeAus> but from what I gather from what your saying a sym link should do ....
[06:00] <ForgeAus> but I don't know enough about apache specifically to help you much
[06:00] <twleve> ForgeAus: I did man apache2 ... then I try to run apache2 in debug but it wont let me. The only error I get is apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libdb-4.2.so:
[06:01] <BluesKaj> hmm, mplayer has a problem ... "error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device". It's not a big problem but some sites that use WM also won't play with the mplayer plugin :( ...any ideas ?
[06:01] <aaron_> ins-dragonclaw: sudo apt-get update
[06:01] <ForgeAus> yeah, but is it because the library doesn't exist? or because of some other reason?
[06:01] <ForgeAus> aaron I think you need to change your repos to say the distro you want to upgrade to
[06:01] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: find out what vo it's using by default
[06:02] <twleve> ForgeAus: the library does exhist.. I found it in -> /usr/lib~ ... But I dont think apache knows it is there. how do I make the symlink? I found some stuff in google, but I dont know how to create the file.
[06:02] <aaron_> ok how do I do that
[06:02] <CarinArr> aaron_: i think you need to change the dapper's in /etc/apt/sources.list to edgy
[06:02] <ins-dragonclaw> ok, apt-get update is running. thanks aaron_
[06:02] <ForgeAus> (ie if your currently got deb http://archive.ubuntu.org/ edgy you might want to change it to feisty or if you have dapper change it to edgy etc...
[06:02] <ForgeAus> (depending on which distro you have and which distro you want to go to)
[06:02] <aaron_> Carinarr: how do I do that
[06:02] <Tm_T> !upgrade
[06:02] <ubotwo> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[06:03] <ForgeAus> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:03] <Tm_T> aaron_: look tat
[06:03] <ForgeAus> or in adept click on manage repositories
[06:03] <CarinArr> aaron_: uh.. you open the file, then you change the things that say dapper to say edgy
[06:03] <Tm_T> aaron_: just look that wikipage
[06:04] <ForgeAus> Tm_T is Aaron using Dapper tho?
[06:04] <CarinArr> he is
[06:04] <CarinArr> he just said;)
[06:04] <ForgeAus> oh ok I tend to forget details like that too easily
[06:04] <twleve> ForgeAus ^^ do you know how to make the symlinks?
[06:04] <ForgeAus> ahh yeah from 6.06 to 6.10
[06:05] <ForgeAus> twleve I had trouble doing that I personally do it with krusader (a drag n drop way, link here)
[06:05] <ForgeAus> but there is a cli command, is it ln or link?
[06:05] <Tm_T> twleve: ln -s source dest
[06:06] <ForgeAus> there see Tm_T knows :)
[06:06] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[06:06] <ins-dragonclaw> yes Tm_T does
[06:06] <sasq> Why does the gstreamer page list Amarok as an application ?
[06:06] <Tm_T> twleve: or drag-drop in konqueror
[06:06] <ForgeAus> Konqueror can also do it somehow
[06:06] <aaron_> Tm_T
[06:06] <Tm_T> (it'll ask if copy or move or link)
[06:06] <Tm_T> aaron_: yes?
[06:07] <aaron_> I got it running right now and it is working fine
[06:07] <aaron_> I just copied the info into the konsole
[06:07] <Tm_T> good
[06:07] <ForgeAus> Tm_T does that work for directories to?
[06:07] <aaron_> and it is upgrading to edgy
[06:07] <Tm_T> ForgeAus: why not?
[06:07] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, vo ?
[06:07] <aaron_> cross your fingers and hope it works
[06:07] <ForgeAus> I don't know I was just curious...
[06:07] <Tuzlo> what is the command to reconfigure X?
[06:07] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: "error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device"
[06:08] <ForgeAus> um Tuzlo something like:  dpkg -configure xorg-xserver (from memory)
[06:08] <Tm_T> !xorg
[06:08] <ubotwo> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:08] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:08] <Tuzlo> k
[06:08] <CarinArr> tuzlo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:08] <sasq> Can amarok be compiled against gstreamer instead of xine? If so, do I have to do that manually or is there a kubuntu package for it?
[06:08] <Tuzlo> does anyone know if raDEON 9200 haS  issues with X?
[06:08] <ForgeAus> actually for screen res you can use xrandr
[06:09] <Tm_T> Tuzlo: not special issues IIRC
[06:09] <ForgeAus> being ATI its probably not going to be easy
[06:09] <ForgeAus> !ATI
[06:09] <ubotwo> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:09] <Tm_T> sasq: no gstreamer support in amarok because there hasn
[06:09] <twleve> Does anyone know of a website with help for getting touchscreen to work with ubuntu? Its a Panasonic Toughbook.
[06:09] <Tuzlo> ugh
[06:09] <Tm_T> sasq: ... 't been gst engine maintainer
[06:09] <sasq> bummer
[06:10] <Tm_T> Tuzlo: doesn't work rightaway?
[06:10] <Tm_T> sasq: tell me about it
[06:10] <infbliss> what is the command for hibernate in kubuntu
[06:10] <Tuzlo> my monitor is tellin me the freq's are out of tolerance from what they should be
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> ouch
[06:10] <ForgeAus> twleve does touchscreen work off a synaptic pad driver?
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> i know the feeling
[06:10] <aaron_> so what echancements do I get in edgy
[06:10] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, wouldn't the video out device be the dvdrom ?
[06:10] <ForgeAus> if so theres some packages you can install for synaptic touchpad functionality...
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> my update stalled
[06:10] <aaron_> will the 3d acceleration work better
[06:10] <ForgeAus> but other than that I don't know
[06:10] <infbliss> !hibernate
[06:10] <ubotwo> hibernate - smartly puts your computer to sleep (suspend to RAM or disk) - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[06:11] <twleve> ForgeAus, From what I have found it works off the serial. Its a PNK touchscreen. I found some place but they want 150.00 to install the driver.. which is total bs.. its linux why would I pay for a driver
[06:11] <aaron_> lol
[06:11] <infbliss> what is the command for hibernate in kubuntu
[06:12] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: no? do mplayer -vo help
[06:12] <aaron_> they seriously want you to pay that to install a damn driver
[06:12] <sasq> So which is the best gstreamer-based MUSIC player ?
[06:12] <infbliss> sasq: totem
[06:12] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: xv is mostly good choice
[06:13] <ForgeAus> twleve I don't know being a serial device its probably some custom driver, I have no idea how to handle that... maybe try googling for more info?
[06:13] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: but, do "mplayer video.foo" to see what vo it uses by default (might be some foofoo that is totally wrong for you)
[06:14] <aaron_> will 6.10 be able to upgrade to 7.0 or something
[06:14] <CarinArr> twleve: i take it you've seen : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=485053&page=3
[06:14] <BluesKaj> it was working fine before I had an X11 problem and had to roll back to a previous date of xorg.conf
[06:15] <LjL> aaron_: 7.04. of course.
[06:15] <aaron_> cool
[06:15] <aaron_> cant wait
[06:15] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: yes, mind to pastebin your xorg.conf?
[06:15] <aaron_> this way you dont have to like reformat or burn a damn cd to upgrade your distro
[06:15] <LjL> some people do recommend fresh install over upgrades, but upgrading is definitely possible, supported and easy - unless something goes wrong
[06:15] <Tm_T> LjL: fresh install... yuck!
[06:16] <aaron_> I was using linux in the days of redhat in like 1999 and that was the only way I could figure out how to do it
[06:16] <LjL> Tm_T: i said some people, i didn't say me :)
[06:16] <LjL> there's not *too* much of a difference, though, when you have a separate /home partition and haven't touched much in /etc
[06:16] <BluesKaj> ok Tm_T pastebin it is
[06:16] <Tm_T> LjL: well, I said yuck to those who recommend ;)
[06:16] <martalli> I wonder - Could you use the cd along with the online repos at the same time?
[06:16] <Tm_T> !pastebin
[06:16] <ubotwo> pastebin-#kubuntu is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:17] <martalli> That way, you could do an upgrade, but decrease the amount of bandwidth necessary (like upgrading a whole office, not one single home computer)
[06:17] <Tm_T> martalli: yes
[06:17] <LjL> martalli: yes but only with the Alternate CD
[06:17] <Tm_T> LjL: good addition :)
[06:17] <LjL> the Desktop CD won't work for that since it doesn't really have .deb packages on it
[06:17] <martalli> Tm_T: LjL: Or the dvd?
[06:17] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm... does anyone know where kubuntu keeps its local DNS cache?
[06:18] <ForgeAus> sofar Kubntu 7.x is feisty
[06:18] <sasq> hmm... stupid question maybe but how do I samba mount ?
[06:18] <martalli> Is the desktop CD more of a binary image of a basic install, like mepis (or like I imagine mepis to be)
[06:18] <LjL> if you type "sudo apt-cdrom add" with the alternate cd in the drive, you'll have its repos automatically added martalli. don't know about the DVD, there *is* an Alternate DVD to start with?
[06:18] <Tm_T> martalli: yes somewhat
[06:18] <Tuzlo> ok, im trying dpkg --configure xorg-xserver
[06:18] <aaron_> whats nice is that I can run the newest versions of linux on here but if I wanted to run windows I would have to upgrade. So linux slams windows basically
[06:18] <LjL> martalli: in a (networked) office environment, a better idea is probably to set up a local repository
[06:18] <Tuzlo> its sayin that xorg-server isnt installed how do I found out which server is installed
[06:18] <ForgeAus> (the successor to edgy which is in something like beta testing?  rght now)
[06:18] <LjL> that's not hard at all martalli, since there are a couple of packages to do exactly that
[06:19] <BluesKaj> Tm_T  http://www.pastebin.ca/409314
[06:19] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: will look
[06:19] <sasq> infblis: And isnt totem a movie-player o?
[06:19] <martalli> LjL:  How much space would that take?  I have a VIA C3 based computer with a 400gb hard drive
[06:19] <martalli> (in that office)
[06:19] <chijin> heh i managed to delete the /boot partition with the windows xp installer, is there any way to remake the partition? grub doesn't find anything and i can't boot into linux
[06:20] <LjL> martalli, it depends on how much is upgraded, i couldn't say. i'd say that a normal upgrade takes, like... 300 megs of downloads? probably. i don't remember what apt-get said when i upgraded
[06:20] <chijin> i booted the live cd and all the kernel files etc were in the /boot directory
[06:20] <chijin> but how do i boot?
[06:20] <eth01> hey
[06:21] <martalli> Mine had a few gigabytes when I upgraded my son's edubuntu computer
[06:21] <martalli> well, maybe 1-2 gb
[06:21] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: and did you do that mplayer test I said?
[06:21] <BluesKaj> yes
[06:21] <martalli> I guess I could google it in the future
[06:21] <Tm_T> and?
[06:21] <eth01> which is best edubuntu or kubuntu?
[06:21] <Tm_T> eth01: for what?
[06:21] <c1|freaky> i like kubuntu most
[06:21] <c1|freaky> ;p
[06:21] <BluesKaj> Failed to open video.foo.
[06:21] <eth01> grahpics
[06:21] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: and?
[06:21] <eth01> look
[06:21] <eth01> lol
[06:22] <c1|freaky> edubuntu is for schools and stuff with a lot of educational applications which are still available in kubuntu though
[06:22] <LjL> martalli: wait, 1-2gb of *compressed* .debs? that sounds like quite a lot. though i guess it all depends on how much software you have installed...
[06:22] <LjL> anyway, 400gb will be plenty for anything ;)
[06:22] <c1|freaky> and i think kubuntu (with KDE) looks better than edubuntu which uses gnome i think?
[06:22] <eth01> ok
[06:22] <LjL> !approx > martalli    (martalli, see the private message from Ubotu)
[06:22] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: what did it say about vo ?
[06:22] <LjL> !apt-proxy > martalli    (martalli, see the private message from Ubotu)
[06:22] <c1|freaky> but im not sure what edubuntu uses
[06:22] <c1|freaky> but edubuntu is more for educational stuff
[06:22] <martalli> LjL:  Just about every game in the repos, lol
[06:22] <c1|freaky> kubuntu is for home/office usage
[06:22] <c1|freaky> as ubuntu is
[06:22] <LjL> !apt-cacher > martalli    (martalli, see the private message from Ubotu)
[06:22] <eth01> i like kubuntu
[06:23] <c1|freaky> same here ;D
[06:23] <eth01> does that run blitzbee?
[06:23] <c1|freaky> i like the new design stuff in feisty ;D
[06:23] <eth01> yea
[06:23] <martalli> edubuntu is a variation of the ubuntu gnome
[06:23] <c1|freaky> u can install bittlbee
[06:23] <eth01> its cool
[06:23] <eth01> ahh
[06:23] <eth01> package?
[06:23] <c1|freaky> try apt-cache search bittlbee or how it is spelled
[06:23] <c1|freaky> bitlbee
[06:23] <eth01> ye
[06:24] <meme_mutation> heya... anybody here who uses DigiKam and KIPI-plugins to export images to Flickr: is there any way to export your existing tags (in DigiKam) to Flickr, with the photos
[06:24] <eth01> i used kde with freebsd before this
[06:24] <chijin> any idea how do i create a boot partition?
[06:24] <BluesKaj> Tm_T  mplayer test >  http://www.pastebin.ca/409324
[06:24] <meme_mutation> :-.
[06:24] <Mena> I still have a problem with this erorr http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12018/
[06:24] <eth01> so its a big move :P
[06:24] <Mena> Plzsome one see it
[06:24] <eth01> if u want a fast paste bin use > spookedout.org/pastebin :D
[06:24] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: I meant "mplayer video.foo" as trying to play something
[06:25] <BluesKaj> File not found: 'video.foo'
[06:25] <BluesKaj> Failed to open video.foo.
[06:26] <n6rej> anyone know of a good audio cd to mp3 creator??
[06:26] <n6rej> xfce is the front end on the server where I want to store them
[06:26] <jhutchins> Mena: That's output from apt-get update?
[06:26] <aaron_> oh crap
[06:26] <nixternal> n6rej: as long as you have the plugins/libs installed, K3b can rip to whatever you want it to
[06:26] <aaron_> it stopped upgrading
[06:26] <c1|freaky> what other program is there like bitlbee which makes an index of my files?
[06:26] <Mena> jhutchins, Yes
[06:27] <nixternal> KAudioCreator is another ripper as well
[06:27] <aaron_> like crashed half way through
[06:27] <aaron_> damn
[06:27] <HymnToLife> !abcde
[06:27] <ubotu> abcde: A Better CD Encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.99.5-1 (edgy), package size 103 kB, installed size 300 kB
[06:27] <n6rej> BluesKaj: I've had to reinstall Ku 3x now, I keep getting initramfs failures :(
[06:27] <BluesKaj> Tm_T  video foo > http://www.pastebin.ca/409322
[06:27] <HymnToLife> light, fast, gets the job done
[06:27] <HymnToLife> period :p
[06:27] <n6rej> nixternal: kool ty!
[06:27] <nixternal> c1|freaky: bitlbee is the IM>IRC gateway. how would that go with index of files?
[06:27] <c1|freaky> oh ok ;p
[06:27] <c1|freaky> i didnt say anything ;p
[06:27] <eth01> blitbee is the best :P lol
[06:27] <eth01> all n 1
[06:27] <jarn> How do I apply a patch that patches multiple files?
[06:27] <nixternal> hehe
[06:27] <eth01> all in 1
[06:28] <nixternal> I can't live w/o bitlbee
[06:28] <c1|freaky> im looking for something which indexes my files
[06:28] <BluesKaj> Ku 3x n6rej ?
[06:28] <nixternal> actually I could, but my family isn't up on IRC
[06:28] <eth01> how about gaim?
[06:28] <c1|freaky> so i can find things fast
[06:28] <eth01> lol
[06:28] <eth01> :P
[06:28] <aaron_> in edgy does the gl stuff work better out of curiosity
[06:28] <n6rej> wow, thats nice and small
[06:28] <eth01> likewise lol ;p
[06:28] <aaron_> because I want to play quake 3
[06:28] <sentence> hi
[06:28] <n6rej> BluesKaj: Kubuntu 3 times
[06:28] <jhutchins> Mena: I would suggest re-generating your /etc/apt/sources.list with source-o-matic.
[06:28] <jhutchins> !easysources | Mena
[06:28] <ubotu> Mena: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:28] <Mena> ok
[06:28] <eth01> im swopping over in a min
[06:28] <sentence> mother fuckers
[06:28] <eth01> to kubuntu from win xp for eva
[06:28] <jhutchins> c1|freaky: Locate
[06:29] <c1|freaky> jhutchins: i mean some desktop variant
[06:29] <aaron_> and It would be really good if there was better support for my Radeon 9250
[06:29] <c1|freaky> i thought kubuntu runs one by default
[06:29] <n6rej> sentence language please this is a family affair
[06:29] <c1|freaky> but it disapeared maybe i even removed it ^
[06:29] <c1|freaky> just looking for the name
[06:29] <jhutchins> aaron_: Ok, get to work on it then.
[06:29] <n6rej> ty op
[06:30] <aaron_> get to work on what
[06:30] <aaron_> I dont know anything about making drivers
[06:30] <aaron_> allthough I could learn :-)
[06:30] <jhutchins> n6rej: Actually, it's just a bunch of geeks who've probably heard it before, but politeness counts.
[06:30] <eth01> grr i h8 windows (mirc) keeps giving me damn errors 1 of the reasons im leaving
[06:30] <jhutchins> aaron_: Then buy some Radeon 9250's and donate them to developers who can work on the drivers.
[06:31] <n6rej> jhutchins: yeah, BUT we don't know when some youngster is going to be here, or perhaps a christian who is easily offended
[06:31] <aaron_> you think they would actually work on a driver or just pocket the 9250s
[06:31] <aaron_> cus I got one spare sitting by me
[06:32] <n6rej> time to reboot AGAIN! god I'm sick of this.
[06:32] <n6rej> brb maybe
[06:32] <eth01> lol
[06:32] <ForgeAus> rofl http://www.usbpc.gopc.net/ are a website that let you access a virtualized SUSE :)
[06:32] <jhutchins> aaron_: Hm.  Might try to contact someone at xorg and see if they have someone who wants to work on it.  They're as likely to put effort into it as you are, and they'd need a driver just as badly.
[06:33] <ForgeAus> over the net
[06:33] <nixternal> interesting
[06:34] <eth01> lmao
[06:34] <eth01> whats the catch?
[06:34] <ForgeAus> isn't it freedesktop.org?
[06:34] <jhutchins> eth01: Novell.
[06:34] <eth01> lmao
[06:34] <Tuzlo> I have tried reconfigging by doinf dpkg --configure xorg-xserver, Kubuntu tells me xorg-server isnt installed , how can I find out whic X server is installed
[06:35] <jhutchins> Tuzlo: I'd be fascinated to know how you ended up there, but you could try apt-get install xorg-xserver --reinstall.
[06:35] <jhutchins> sudo of course.
[06:36] <eth01> you have to live in AUS or NZ for that gopc only
[06:36] <Tuzlo> but X was alreadyu running, not  sure what kubuntu installed though
[06:36] <fdoving> Tuzlo: xserver-xorg , not xorg-xserver
[06:36] <Tuzlo> ah
[06:37] <Tuzlo> and that dont work either
[06:37] <ForgeAus> Tuzlo put a sudo on front of it
[06:37] <Tuzlo> im already sudo su
[06:37] <ForgeAus> eth interesting I didn't know that but then I live in Aus anyway...
[06:38] <BluesKaj> Tuzlo  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:38] <ForgeAus> yeah thats the manual way of reconfiguring your x-server
[06:39] <BluesKaj> see if the file exists :)
[06:39] <Tuzlo> BluesKaj yes
[06:42] <pollyo> Anyone know if a lexmark x6170 will work on linux in anyway?
[06:42] <eth01> wow
[06:42] <eth01> blitlee is great
[06:42] <eth01> bitblee
[06:42] <Gizmo48> Got one for you all:   I have kubuntu installed on several machines.  On the latest install, prior to alot of mods, I installed "kerry" and it installed and works just fine.  When I try to install it on another machine Aptt says "BREAK"  How do I find out what I have installed that "kerry" will "BREAK"?
[06:42] <Mena> jhutchins, tHANKS
[06:42] <eth01> my lexmark does
[06:42] <eth01> and its a X1270
[06:43] <magi> hola
[06:43] <c1|freaky> beagle was the thing i was looking for - thankyou Gizmo48 ;D
[06:43] <jhutchins> Tuzlo: If you've been using su on ubuntu, you may have broken things.
[06:43] <pollyo> eth01: Did you set it up with cups?
[06:44] <eth01> :P
[06:44] <jhutchins> !fixres | Tuzlo
[06:44] <ubotu> Tuzlo: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:44] <eth01> im a lexmark developer :d
[06:45] <Gizmo48> c1|freaky: Its weird, I cannot install beagle  it says BREAK
[06:45] <pollyo> eth01: How long has the lexmark linux kit been out?
[06:45] <c1|freaky> can't help you sorry
[06:46] <eth01> im busy .. ill get you a link
[06:46] <eth01> with the lexmark linux help docs
[06:46] <pollyo> eth01: Ok.  Thanks
[06:46] <Gizmo48> c1|freaky: Tnx anyway.... Hope you do not run into the same problem,:)
[06:48] <Mike__> Help! After making some changes in Kubuntu, I just get a console login. How do I get back to the KDE GUI?
[06:48] <Mena> Jhutchins, The same error is coming up while updating ...Is that coould be bec of the stress of server but its a bout 2 days or more and still same erorr
[06:48] <Mike__> Linux newbie
[06:49] <Mike__> Anyone?
[06:50] <CarinArr> Mike__: did you change you graphics card driver?
[06:50] <Mike__> Yes. Nvidia.
[06:50] <CarinArr> right, it's probably that which has upset it
[06:50] <jarn> Where can I get the default sources.list?
[06:50] <Mike__> What now?
[06:51] <Mena> !easysource
[06:52] <Mena> jarn, Go here http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[06:52] <CarinArr> Mike__: you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, comment out (by putting # infront of the line) the lin that says "Load "glx", and change the line that says "Driver "nvidia"" to "Driver "nv""
[06:52] <CarinArr> Mike__: you can edit it using "sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[06:53] <jarn> Mena: But that one douesn't seem to be giving me universe repos.
[06:53] <Mena> jarn, No its gives you if you maked the trick box
[06:53] <LjL> !easysource
[06:53] <ubotwo> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:54] <CarinArr> Mike__: that will revert it to using the non-nvidia driver so you should get the graphial login again
[06:54] <Mena> jarn, its on the fisrt page where you choose you country and the other things
[06:54] <CarinArr> Mike__: once that's done we can try to help you install the driver properly:)
[06:54] <Mena> jarn, Did you get it
[06:54] <pollyo> Looking for information on getting a lexmark x6170 to work with linux.
[06:55] <jarn> Mena: The only tick box I see is for source repos.
[06:55] <Mike__> Carin, how do I edit
[06:55] <Mena> jarn, This is the one as i guess
[06:55] <Mena> jarn, bec i marked it and i get univers and multiverse
[06:56] <Mena> jarn, if t wasnt
[06:56] <CarinArr> Mike__: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:56] <Mena> jarn, mark the sources you need
[06:56] <CarinArr> Mike__: type that in a terminal window
[06:56] <Mike__> Carin, says cannot connect to X server
[06:57] <skittles> anyone in here play everquest1?
[06:57] <Mena> jarn, if you marked the fisrt option wich is nt maked i think you will get it
[06:57] <CarinArr> Mike__: argh sorry;) i forgot you couldn't get graphical window;)
[06:57] <CarinArr> Mike__: try sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:57] <jarn> Mena: There's nowhere to get the sources.list that comes with it? That's the one I want because it has the comments, too.
[06:59] <Mena> jarn, its generate the source.lsit and open it on kate(or you txt app) and copy it or you are talking about something else
[06:59] <skittles> the reason i asked if anyone plays everquest1 is that i'm having problems with the game....it runs slow; slowert than moslasses in jan in Alaska on a warm day<just trying to put it nicley> and i was wondering if anyone has the same problem and how to fix it? tks
[06:59] <jarn> Mena: What I mean is the sources.list that comes with a fresh install of ubuntu
[07:00] <Mike__> Carin, made changes. do I now just press control X?
[07:00] <skittles> tks for listening to a mindun question, i'll be on my merry way. y'alls have a lovely day
[07:01] <skittles> mundun*
[07:01] <Mena> ohhh i dont think you cant get it but the lst wich the genrator do is the same with a lots of things added you need
[07:01] <francisco_> quisiera saber sudoman como instalar programas en sistema linux
[07:01] <CarinArr> Mike__: yes
[07:02] <wolferine> morning
[07:02] <Mena> jarn, maybe if you opened your LiveCd maybe you can find it on it as i guess
[07:03] <Mike__> Carin, rebooting, hold on...
[07:03] <jarn> Mena: Okay.
[07:03] <Mena> jarn, do this to open it if you need kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:03] <Mena> this for kubuntu :)
[07:04] <jarn> Mena: Indeed.
[07:04] <Mike__> Carin, stil not working. baby's crying. gotta go. thanks for the help anyway. I'll try later.
[07:05] <Mena> jarn, ok and another sure that you will find it that if you are installing ubuntu or kubuntu and if you conected to the internet you can downlaod the Languges while installing :)
[07:05] <Mena> its start the downlaoding auto :)
[07:06] <francisco_> tengo el kubuntu
[07:10] <BluesKaj> hmm...  mplayer.conf is empty.. anyone have mplayer that works and if so can you pastebin your mplayer.conf ?
[07:11] <daskreech2> !es
[07:11] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:11] <AmyRose> No Spanish help for Xubuntu? :'(
[07:13] <tmbg_> hrm. in synaptic all of a sudden the majority of pkg's give me "can't be authenticated" warnings.
[07:13] <AmyRose> tmbg_: Oh, that means you're screwed, huh? You're so paranoid...
[07:14] <daskreech2> AmyRose: you need xce help?
[07:14] <tmbg_> AmyRose, I think it's your fault.
[07:14] <daskreech2> xfce
[07:14] <AmyRose> tmbg_: What did I do?!
[07:14] <AmyRose> daskreech2: No, I'm not some helpless damsel in distress... ;P
[07:14] <tmbg_> AmyRose, you hung around for me to point a finger at
[07:15] <AmyRose> tmbg_: You little....
[07:15] <tmbg_> hahaha
[07:15] <AmyRose> Ooh, another customer!!! *squeals*
[07:16] <tmbg_> honestly I think it was because I had synaptic open when I did an apt-get for that libc6-dev-i386 earlier.
[07:16] <daskreech2> AmyRose: in that case #kubuntu-es or #ubuntu-es would work
[07:16] <tmbg_> one of them stepped on the other one's toes I think
[07:16] <|toketin|> hi anyone can tell me how can i install mp3
[07:16] <Tm_T> !mp3
[07:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:16] <|toketin|> support for k3b new 1.0??
[07:17] <Tm_T> |toketin|: there you go
[07:17] <|toketin|> i use ubuntu edgy
[07:17] <yurimxpxman> do any of you guys know how to boot the Ubuntu LiveCD from a USB HDD?
[07:17] <AmyRose> daskreech2: I joined #kubuntu-es because I speak Spanish as a second language and want to HELP people, not because I need help o.o
[07:17] <arkanabar> Totekin:  try Amarok to play mp3
[07:17] <daskreech2> AmyRose: you were complaining about no #xubuntu-es
[07:17] <daskreech2> I naturally asked if you needed help specific to XFCE
[07:17] <|toketin|> mp3 support for k3b!
[07:17] <AmyRose> daskreech2: but it doesn't mean I need the help ;P
[07:18] <weilbach> hi
[07:18] <daskreech2> Nothing in your statement indicated that you were lamenting the lack of help that you could give
[07:18] <weilbach> is there a repos for kickoff?
[07:18] <weilbach> i have feisty
[07:18] <daskreech2> The vast majority of people lamenting want help
[07:18] <daskreech2> easy mistake :-)
[07:18] <AmyRose> daskreech2: But on the same token, I never said I needed help either
[07:18] <|toketin|> you haven't k3b new?
[07:18] <Tm_T> weilbach: not that I know
[07:19] <daskreech2> AmyRose: This IS a support cahnnel
[07:19] <weilbach> o.k. than i'll have to do it
[07:19] <daskreech2> If it was dev channel I'd assume you need progamming advice
[07:19] <weilbach> myself
[07:19] <arkanabar> Well, I need help.  Windows is being a pain about letting me back up to 2d HD, so I want to use live boot ... just need to find my hard disks
[07:19] <AmyRose> daskreech2: True, but support is a two-way process
[07:19] <daskreech2> If it was a dcoumentation channel I'd assume that you wanted documentation
[07:19] <AmyRose> I mean two-sided
[07:19] <Tm_T> weilbach: good luck :)
[07:19] <|toketin|> anybody can hel me?
[07:19] <daskreech2> yes but again when people lament it's very rarely on the supply side
[07:20] <AmyRose> |toketin|: What do you need?
[07:20] <Tm_T> weilbach: btw if you encounter some problems, hit me and I try to assist
[07:20] <|toketin|> AmyRose: i have to install the mp3 support for k3b new 1.0 tha i ve compiled
[07:20] <arkanabar> Totekin:  try Amarok to play mp3 files.
[07:20] <arkanabar> duhhhhhhhhhhh.
[07:21] <arkanabar> never mind me.
[07:21] <daskreech2> :-)
[07:21] <|toketin|> but in my repo there's but it tells me that i must have some libraries
[07:21] <|toketin|> arkanabr amrok is to listen music
[07:21] <|toketin|> i'm speaking of k3b
[07:21] <|toketin|> to write mp3 files on cds
[07:22] <arkanabar> like I said, never mind me.
[07:22] <Tm_T> |toketin|: why you didn't compile mp3 support in it?
[07:22] <AmyRose> |toketin|: I'm assuming you want to make audio CD's, right?
[07:22] <|toketin|> yes
[07:22] <AmyRose> Tm_T: How many people who are confused about this would compile this from source?
[07:22] <|toketin|> tm_t there is'n mp3 support in the sources i've installed
[07:23] <Tm_T> |toketin|: well, package in repos is meant to go with k3b in repos, I assume it's part of same sources
[07:23] <ins-dragonclaw> what's the shortcut key to change desktops?
[07:23] <AmyRose> |toketin|: Install libk3b2-mp3
[07:23] <AmyRose> |toketin|: It's in Multiverse
[07:24] <|toketin|> in the repo i've found them but it tells me that i must have some libraries more recent
[07:24] <arkanabar> I'm having an installation problem.
[07:24] <ins-dragonclaw> *waits*
[07:24] <|toketin|> i'm telling of k3b 1.0
[07:24] <AmyRose> |toketin|: What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[07:24] <Tm_T> |toketin|: yes, k3b mp3 support is part of k3b sources
[07:25] <|toketin|> i'm using ubuntu edgy
[07:25] <AmyRose> Hmm, that's odd
[07:25] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[07:25] <AmyRose> |toketin|: Any unofficial repos?
[07:25] <|toketin|> trevino's
[07:25] <Tm_T> |toketin|: so, if you want mp3 support to selfcompiled k3b, compile it with mp3 support :)
[07:26] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:26] <|toketin|> where i find them?
[07:26] <CarinArr> is there a particular reason why you're compiling it rather than using the repos one?
[07:27] <arkanabar> I'm using a live boot dvd so I can back up Win2k, but my disks haven't mounted.  Can anyone help?
[07:27] <AmyRose> Wait a minute, |toketin|, why are you compiling this?
[07:28] <|toketin|> amy i'have compiled the sources i've found in a italian site
[07:28] <Tm_T> |toketin|: he asked why ;)
[07:28] <Ryiel> !iso
[07:28] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[07:28] <AmyRose> |toketin|: Yeah, WHY?
[07:28] <AmyRose> Tm_T: *she
[07:29] <|toketin|> because it's an italian site
[07:29] <CarinArr> heh
[07:29] <|toketin|> and in the repo
[07:29] <|toketin|> it doesn't work
[07:29] <AmyRose> Why the heck are you compiling it though? Trevino has a binary
[07:29] <|toketin|> it tells me that i must have some libraries more new
[07:29] <Tm_T> AmyRose: hmm, sorry, I come from finland and we don't have things like "he/she" so in IRC I don't remember to use those :/
[07:30] <AmyRose> |toketin|:  Yes, we've already established that
[07:30] <Tm_T> AmyRose: also IMO gender doesn't matter here :)
[07:30] <daskreech2> Tm_T: it?
[07:30] <CarinArr> plus she's in a linux help channe
[07:30] <AmyRose> Tm_T: Apology accepted...
[07:30] <CarinArr> ;)
[07:30] <Tm_T> AmyRose: :)
[07:30] <arkanabar> I'm trying to use an Edgy live boot to copy my Win2k data to a slave disk, but neither is mounting.
[07:30] <Tm_T> daskreech2: I mean no separate word for male and female "he"
[07:31] <arkanabar> help?
[07:31] <Tm_T> daskreech2: I suck in explaining when I don't know right words :(
[07:31] <|toketin|> read
[07:31] <|toketin|> I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte:
[07:31] <|toketin|>   libk3b2-mp3: Dipende: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.5-1) ma 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1 sta per essere installato
[07:31] <|toketin|>                Dipende: libk3b2 (>= 1.0~3v1ubuntu0) ma non sta per essere installato
[07:31] <|toketin|> E: Pacchetto non integro
[07:31] <|toketin|> it's in italian is my error
[07:31] <daskreech2> !paste
[07:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:31] <AmyRose> arkanabar: Do you know how to use the terminal?
[07:31] <Iwonder|too> arkanabar: man mount
[07:31] <arkanabar> .......give it a shot.
[07:31] <CarinArr> |toketin|: well try to install kdelibs4c2a and libk3b2 first then?
[07:32] <|toketin|> wait
[07:32] <bill_k> !firefox
[07:32] <|toketin|> it's already installed
[07:32] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:32] <aaron_> so if the 3d acceleration works right this time around I want to use this computer for the quake 3 lanpartys that we have here in Dixon
[07:32] <AmyRose> arkanabar: sudo mkdir /mnt/hda{1..6} (I don't know how many partitions you have)
[07:33] <AmyRose> arkanabar: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[07:33] <ins-dragonclaw> !iso > ins-dragonclaw
[07:33] <aaron_> does anyone have any recommendations for a server browser that oughta be compatible with ioquake3
[07:34] <|toketin|> have you seen my error amy?
[07:34] <AmyRose> |toketin|: I don't speak Italian
[07:34] <caris_mere> My Sony DSC-T10 digital camera isn't connecting, any ideas?
[07:34] <bill_k> will firefox work if i just install it in the adept installer (kubuntu edgy 32)
[07:34] <AmyRose> I know English, Spanish, and American Sign Language, but that's it.
[07:34] <|toketin|> ok
[07:35] <ins-dragonclaw> I only know two words in sign language
[07:35] <ins-dragonclaw> and one of them is very rude...
[07:35] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw: The bird?
[07:35] <nosrednaekim> |toketin|: I know some panish/italian..I'll give it a shot...whats your error?
[07:35] <ins-dragonclaw> lets not go there, or the offtopic police will have a field day >_>
[07:35] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw: That is the official sign for the--queen mother of all profanity...
[07:35] <|toketin|> marco@marco-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install  libk3b2-mp3
[07:35] <|toketin|> Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
[07:35] <|toketin|> Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso
[07:35] <|toketin|> Reading state information... Fatto
[07:35] <|toketin|> Alcuni pacchetti non possono essere installati. Questo pu voler
[07:35] <|toketin|> dire che  stata richiesta una situazione impossibile oppure, se
[07:35] <|toketin|> si sta usando la distribuzione "unstable", che alcuni pacchetti
[07:35] <|toketin|> richiesti non sono ancora stati creati o rimossi da incoming.
[07:35] <|toketin|> 
[07:35] <AmyRose> !pasteboard
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pasteboard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <|toketin|> Poich  stata richiesta solo una singola operazione  molto facile che
[07:36] <|toketin|> il pacchetto semplicemente non sia installabile, si consiglia
[07:36] <|toketin|> di inviare un "bug report" per tale pacchetto.
[07:36] <niles> hi gang
[07:36] <|toketin|> Le seguenti informazioni possono aiutare a risolvere la situazione:
[07:36] <|toketin|> 
[07:36] <|toketin|> I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte:
[07:36] <martalli> !pastebin
[07:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:36] <|toketin|>   libk3b2-mp3: Dipende: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.5-1) ma 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1 sta per essere installato
[07:36] <CarinArr> !paste | |toketin|
[07:36] <ubotu> |toketin|: please see above
[07:36] <|toketin|>                Dipende: libk3b2 (>= 1.0~3v1ubuntu0) ma non sta per essere installato
[07:36] <|toketin|> E: Pacchetto non integro
[07:36] <AmyRose> |toketin|: Will you please stop pasting things here?
[07:36] <Iwonder|too> !wireless
[07:36] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:36] <ins-dragonclaw> GUYS
[07:36] <CarinArr> !pastebin | |toketin|
[07:36] <ubotu> |toketin|: please see above
[07:36] <daskreech2> ins-dragonclaw: and gals :-)
[07:36] <niles> how can i disable grub so it is not invoked at boot time, with out having to remove it?
[07:36] <bill_k> General Firefox Question: will firefox work if i just install it in the adept installer (kubuntu edgy 32)
[07:36] <ins-dragonclaw> THIS is why they invented /query FFS
[07:36] <Tm_T> bill_k: yes
[07:36] <nosrednaekim> |toketin|: sorry..guess my italian isn't that good
[07:36] <bill_k> Tm_T: thanks!
[07:37] <aaron_> the update manager is freaking out while I am doing the dist upgrade it says there is 908 updates available
[07:37] <AmyRose> |toketin|: What is your native language?
[07:37] <|toketin|> italian
[07:37] <ins-dragonclaw> daskreech2: point made. lol
[07:37] <nosrednaekim> aaron_: fiesty?
[07:37] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[07:37] <ins-dragonclaw> no, really
[07:37] <AmyRose> |toketin|: Your Italian isn't that good and it's your native tongue?
[07:37] <daskreech2> !it
[07:37] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:37] <ins-dragonclaw> !za
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about za - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[07:38] <ins-dragonclaw> guess there's no local south african support then :p
[07:38] <AmyRose> That is ironic
[07:38] <aaron_> dunno I am upgrading from drapper to edgy right now and it says there is like 908 updates
[07:38] <nosrednaekim> I think *I* was the one who said my italian wasn't good
[07:38] <aaron_> I am at 77% or something
[07:38] <nosrednaekim> aaron_: thats normal..
[07:38] <martalli> Where would I go to find out about tamil localization for kubuntu - I know how to switch it on...I want to find out who is doing it
[07:38] <ins-dragonclaw> aaron_: I almost uploaded 16 million Terabytes the other day. dont feel bad. lol
[07:38] <CarinArr> you uploaded 16 million terabytes?
[07:38] <ins-dragonclaw> well, I got the option to
[07:39] <ins-dragonclaw> apparently
[07:39] <CarinArr> o.O
[07:39] <ins-dragonclaw> i have to bookmark that log - it was a classic
[07:39] <AmyRose> How the heck do you upload that much?
[07:40] <CarinArr> i think that's the point
[07:40] <CarinArr> he didn't
[07:40] <AmyRose> Oh no, we startled the admin...
[07:40] <arkanabar> AmyRose:  "device /dev/hda1 does not exist"
[07:40] <AmyRose> arkanabar: Does your computer have SCSI?
[07:40] <ins-dragonclaw> [Sun Mar 25 2007]  [03:24:35]  <ins-dragonclaw> Asking ubotu to accept upload of "Kubuntu" (16,755,154.0 TB)
[07:40] <arkanabar> Nope
[07:41] <AmyRose> arkanabar: that's weird...
[07:41] <ins-dragonclaw> hellofa bug, that
[07:41] <nosrednaekim> or SATA>
[07:41] <nosrednaekim> *?
[07:41] <AmyRose> Oh
[07:41] <ins-dragonclaw> My Kubuntu apparently weighs 16 million TB
[07:41] <ins-dragonclaw> which means that i left the door to the digital world open or something
[07:41] <arkanabar> nosrednaekim:  main is SATA, slave is IDE
[07:41] <CarinArr> it'll be sda1 then
[07:42] <nosrednaekim> arkanabar: so which areyou trying to mount?
[07:42] <AmyRose> Why the heck is it sda1 and not hda1 for SATA? I thought sda1 was for SCSI and USB.
[07:42] <daskreech2> martalli: Probably launchpad
[07:42] <arkanabar> Both.  Want to back up from SATA to IDE
[07:42] <AmyRose> arkanabar: An exact copy or a file copy?
[07:43] <aaron_> ok when I go to system info and I click opengl it says it could not initialize opengl
[07:43] <aaron_> how do I get it to initialize opengl
[07:43] <arkanabar> Probably file copy.  I've tried to zip it over in bits and pieces, but the .zip files hang QuickZip.
[07:43] <nosrednaekim> aaron_: do you have 3d drivers installed and enabled?
[07:43] <foxwoods> Hello everyone, trying to get wireless to work.....seems to freeze on dhclient, cannot send/receive packet. using ndiswrapper on either a D-link DWL-G132 or Trendnet 444 (both of which are on the ndiswrapper list), but both fail. System goes into a complete freeze when this happens.
[07:44] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[07:44] <ins-dragonclaw> your wireless has far-reaching implications, foxwoods
[07:44] <foxwoods> ?
[07:44] <ins-dragonclaw> three connections died since you started talking ^^
[07:44] <AmyRose> lol
[07:44] <foxwoods> lol
[07:45] <AmyRose> foxwoods: How COULD you? ;P
[07:45] <ins-dragonclaw> heheh
[07:45] <foxwoods> :)
[07:45] <ins-dragonclaw> he's evul
[07:45] <ins-dragonclaw> prolly an undercover alien
[07:46] <arkanabar> AmyRose:  ok, I have the master mounted, but not the IDE slave.  What would it be named?
[07:46] <AmyRose> arkanabar: Apparently, hdb1
[07:46] <foxwoods> close.
[07:46] <AmyRose> since hda1 failed
[07:46] <eilker> !ssh2
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ssh2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <AmyRose> Or hdc o.o
[07:47] <AmyRose> !w32 codecs
[07:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:47] <nosrednaekim> you have to consider that he may have a Cr drive
[07:47] <voorhees_> AmyRose
[07:47] <voorhees_> you are there
[07:47] <nosrednaekim> *CD
[07:47] <AmyRose> voorhees_: What do you want? ;P
[07:47] <arkanabar> I'll give that a shot.  Does it matter that the IDE has both ntfs and Ext3 partitions on it?
[07:47] <AmyRose> just kidding, voorhees86
[07:47] <Midspeed> hello everybody i need some help here
[07:48] <Midspeed> where can i get a repository list with the multiverse packages not kubuntu but for Debian????
[07:48] <Midspeed> all i can find is repositories with ubuntu on it
[07:48] <Midspeed> im using just plain debian
[07:49] <daskreech2> #debian ?
[07:49] <Midspeed> thank you
[07:49] <arkanabar> obviously, I intend to mount the ext3 partition, since linux can't write (SFAIK) to ntfs
[07:50] <AmyRose> arkanabar: You can do an image copy if the other hard disk is big enough
[07:50] <arkanabar> The Ext3 partition on it should be.... if I could get it to mount.
[07:51] <AmyRose> arkanabar: What do you plan on doing after you back this up?
[07:51] <Gh0st75> Feisty seems pretty nice so far
[07:51] <AJIEXAXXX> hi all
[07:51] <arkanabar> repartitioning the main disk and installing kubuntu Edgy
[07:51] <AJIEXAXXX> how can i change language for Adept ???
[07:52] <AmyRose> arkanabar: Then just do an image copy.
[07:52] <AJIEXAXXX> I install russian language but Adept not be RUS .. - how cani fix it ??
[07:52] <arkanabar> Sounds good.  But first, I have to get the ext3 partition on the IDE slave to mount.  hdb1 and hdc1 do not exist.
[07:52] <AmyRose> hdd?
[07:53] <AmyRose> hde?
[07:53] <arkanabar> Does it matter that there's also an ntfs partition on it?
[07:53] <AmyRose> arkanabar: No. Image copies don't care what the original file system is
[07:53] <arkanabar> and that the ntfs partition was primary in an older computer?
[07:53] <AmyRose> arkanabar: No. Image copies don't care what the original file system is
[07:53] <arkanabar> ntfs partition is too small for image copy.
[07:53] <arkanabar> and I can't write to it with any form of Linux, SFAIK.
[07:54] <AmyRose> arkanabar: I was assuming you were backing up the contents of your NTFS partition
[07:54] <AmyRose> arkanabar: Is this correct?
[07:54] <exclude> on a newly installed box; the adept_manager keeps crashing on 'debtags' or something. Is this a known bug?
[07:54] <arkanabar> I am.  But Win2k balks at every attempt, and before I can do it with live boot, I need to mount disks.
[07:54] <exclude> and if not, any hints what I should strace to find out more?
[07:54] <weilbach> why is there no ntfs3g driver in feisty?
[07:54] <ins-dragonclaw> grr
[07:55] <ins-dragonclaw> is K3b supposed to be able to create ISO images?
[07:56] <daskreech2> no thats dd's job
[07:56] <ins-dragonclaw> what - Dexter's sister? she's no help right now
[07:56] <bill_k_away> weilbach: just use automatix2 to get it
[07:57] <daskreech2> !away | yurimxpxman
[07:57] <ubotu> yurimxpxman: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[07:57] <AmyRose> arkanabar: Win2k considers backups to be software piracy
[07:58] <Arwen> AmyRose, what the hell are you talking about? don't troll
[07:59] <foxwoods> Anyone know anything about dhclient? wireless?
[07:59] <eilker> !ssh > eilker
[07:59] <foxwoods> I might have to destroy a few more connections :P
[07:59] <Arwen> nope, ethernet is my wireless :-\
[08:00] <AmyRose> Arwen: I'm trying to figure out what arkanabar was trying to do
[08:00] <foxwoods> I'll be back on ethernet in another month, but a month's a long time.
[08:00] <Arwen> hmm
[08:00] <AmyRose> arkanabar: Do you want to be able to boot from this backup you're making?
[08:02] <arkanabar> No, doesn't matter, as long as I can restore files from it.
[08:02] <Arwen> arkanabar, wtf? lol, anyway, I came late, so you want to copy a Win2000 install?
[08:03] <arkanabar> I'm trying to make sure that, should I damage my Win2k installation when I repartition my SATA main HD, I can restore files from my IDE slave.
[08:03] <AmyRose> Arwen: Why the hell did you accuse me of trolling?
[08:03] <ins-dragonclaw> LOL
[08:03] <Arwen> AmyRose, you said something about Win2000 defines backups as piracy
[08:03] <eilker> :lol:
[08:04] <ins-dragonclaw> Received CTCP-VERSION reply from Arwen: xchat 2.8.0-1 Windows XP [Intel Pentium 4/2.99GHz] 
[08:04] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, don't do that
[08:04] <ins-dragonclaw> he's using windows, that's why. lol
[08:04] <AmyRose> Arwen: But you missed what came before that ;P
[08:04] <ins-dragonclaw> dont what? ctcp version?
[08:04] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, yes, and you know, there's a thing called "dual-boot"
[08:04] <arkanabar> And I'm keeping Win2k for WoW, and to make sure I can still do stuff in win until I find functional equivalents for Linux.
[08:04] <Arwen> arkanabar, copy the partition using dd, if you just copy the files, you won't be able to do anything with them
[08:04] <eilker>  i have dual boot too
[08:04] <ins-dragonclaw> mhmm. Said dualboot totally destroyed my machine
[08:04] <AmyRose> arkanabar: You can try this: sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb
[08:05] <ins-dragonclaw> Hence my current inclination to stick with ONE os at a time
[08:05] <Arwen> AmyRose, why would you do that? copy hdd 1 to hdd2?
[08:05] <daskreech2> AmyRose: woah!!!
[08:05] <daskreech2> sure you on't want to make a file?
[08:05] <arkanabar> slave drive is blank, but for partitioning.
[08:05] <Arwen> arkanabar, try dd if=/dev/sda<windows partition number> of=<file
[08:05] <AmyRose> Arwen: Like I said, you missed what came before this
[08:05] <Arwen> you should probably partition your slave
[08:06] <Arwen> AmyRose, hmm, yes
[08:06] <daskreech2> anyway bye
[08:06] <daskreech2> Hope you get to give lots of help AmyRose
[08:06] <AmyRose> Arwen: He wanted to make an exact copy of his disk to a slave
[08:06] <AmyRose> thanks daskreech2 ^^
[08:06] <Arwen> AmyRose, ah - is his slave the exact same size?
[08:06] <AmyRose> a BLANK slave drive
[08:06] <AmyRose> He says it's bigger
[08:06] <Arwen> ok, you're right
[08:07] <Arwen> AmyRose, say, if he's copying from sata to pata, won't it be if=/dev/sdx of=/dev/hdx ?
[08:07] <Arwen> since sata doesn't have master/slave
[08:07] <AmyRose> Arwen: Please, you're asking questions that have been answered about half an hour ago
[08:07] <ins-dragonclaw> lol....
[08:07] <Arwen> AmyRose, um, it took half an hour to define how to copy a hard drive?
[08:08] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah we can see *ran*
[08:08] <AmyRose> Arwen: He's been slow with replies.
[08:08] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, that's *run*
[08:08] <ins-dragonclaw> no, it's past tense
[08:08] <ins-dragonclaw> I ran away before you read what i said :)
[08:08] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, hmm
[08:08] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:09] <CarinArr> o.O
[08:09] <ins-dragonclaw> don't look at me in that tone of voice
[08:09] <sadek> fff
[08:09] <ins-dragonclaw> :D
[08:09] <AmyRose> lol
[08:09] <ins-dragonclaw> mhmm
[08:10] <AmyRose> Seems like Arwen has a "shoot first, ask dumb questions later" mentality ;P
[08:10] <ins-dragonclaw> SHE said that, not me!
[08:10] <AmyRose> Yup, she did.
[08:10] <ins-dragonclaw> Indeed
[08:10] <Arwen> Shadowtester, you know, we don't need to know you're away/back...
[08:10] <ins-dragonclaw> my tray is so neat
[08:11] <Arwen> my tray is windows-looking :-(
[08:11] <ins-dragonclaw> exactly 6 desktops in the pager, and 8 systray icons
[08:11] <Arwen> 6 systray icons, 1 desktop...
[08:11] <arkanabar> sorry for slowness of replies.  "dd:  opening `dev/sdb': No such file or directory
[08:11] <ins-dragonclaw> only 1? :/
[08:11] <AmyRose> arkanabar: Try /dev/hdb instead?
[08:12] <Arwen> arkanabar, um, your hard drive is probably hda or hdb, is your CD drive pata or sata?
[08:12] <Shadowtester> Arwen sorry it anounces the away and back when I return or leave globally over the 9 channels I visit
[08:12] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, it's Windows....
[08:12] <arkanabar> Arwen:  not backing to CD, backing to IDE slave.
[08:12] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[08:12] <weilbach> bill_k_away: automatix in feisty?
[08:12] <Arwen> arkanabar, I know, but to figure out what /dev file, we need to know where your cd-roms are
[08:12] <Arwen> since they're hdx and sdx too
[08:12] <ins-dragonclaw> in his box, i bet you
[08:13] <arkanabar> Ah.  both CDs are IDE
[08:13] <ins-dragonclaw> lol AmyRose
[08:13] <bill_k> weilbach: i used automatix in feisty
[08:13] <arkanabar> .......I'll come back some other time.
[08:13] <Arwen> arkanabar, master or slave? and which channel?
[08:13] <bill_k> weilbach: wait nevermind
[08:14] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw: I have no idea what he's trying to do....
[08:14] <Arwen> bill_k, automatix = crap
[08:14] <bill_k> Arwen: why?
[08:14] <AmyRose> well, he's too slow to be able to figure it out
[08:14] <Arwen> it's useless....
[08:14] <Arwen> !automatix
[08:14] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:14] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:14] <ins-dragonclaw> ubotu has attitude
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about has attitude - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <bill_k> !WorksForMe
[08:14] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:14] <ins-dragonclaw> LOL
[08:15] <aaron_> how do I know if I am running edgy and not 6.06
[08:15] <bill_k> oh, it worked for me :)
[08:15] <aaron_> is there a way I can check the version
[08:15] <ins-dragonclaw> AmyRose: Welcome to the world of tech support: "ins-dragonclaw: I have no idea what he's trying to do...."
[08:15] <Arwen> aaron_, err... uname -r, it's not the best way, but it'll print your kernel which can usually determine if you're edgy or dapper
[08:15] <ins-dragonclaw> ubotu are you male or female?
[08:16] <aaron_> 2.6.15
[08:16] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:16] <bill_k> !ubotu
[08:16] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw: This is EXACTLY why I only do this as a hobby. My career path is K-12 education. ^^
[08:16] <Arwen> aaron_, dapper
[08:16] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:16] <aaron_> hmm the dist upgrade must have failed then
[08:16] <ins-dragonclaw> ok AmyRose
[08:16] <Arwen> aaron_, um, you used dist-upgrade instead of the upgrade tool?
[08:16] <Arwen> aaron_, could also be that you didn't boot the new 2.6.17 kernel
[08:17] <aaron_> there is an upgrade tool
[08:17] <eilker> will feisty be LTS ?
[08:17] <Arwen> yes, upgrade-manager -d -c
[08:17] <aaron_> I thought you had to do the upgrade from the console
[08:17] <Arwen> eilker, no
[08:17] <ins-dragonclaw> probably not, eilker
[08:17] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:18] <aaron_> says its not found
[08:18] <eilker> only dapper was LTS , till now ?
[08:18] <Arwen> aaron_, um, must be update-manager, sorry
[08:18] <aaron_> Ive got the updater telling me there is 908 updates so I am installing them all maybe thats it
[08:18] <Arwen> aaron_, uh..........................
[08:19] <Ryiel> !wlan
[08:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wlan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:19] <Ryiel> !wireless
[08:19] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:19] <aaron_> still not found
[08:19] <ins-dragonclaw> !wifi
[08:19] <Arwen> aaron_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades#head-7e4d0a8850f88d770c9e373ca84c3a78703a58ad
[08:19] <aaron_> ok wait
[08:19] <aaron_> Adept updater is updating the packages
[08:19] <aaron_> ok
[08:19] <Arwen> adept? oh..... that makes more sense
[08:20] <Arwen> sorry, forgot this was #kubuntu
[08:20] <aaron_> Its replacing them and then updating them at least thats what it is saying
[08:20] <drew_> omg.. i really need help installing with command lines
[08:20] <Arwen> aaron_, sorry, let adept do the work for you
[08:20] <aaron_> yea
[08:20] <aaron_> I hope this doesnt mess up the distro though
[08:20] <drew_> i just started linux yesterday
[08:21] <aaron_> and I really hope the 3d acceleration works because I definetly want this computer to run Quake 3 for when I am done working'
[08:21] <Arwen> mm, aaron_, if it fails, you'll probably end up in a console, so just apt-get install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard kubuntu-desktop and keep dist-upgrading :-\
[08:21] <aaron_> ok
[08:21] <drew_> how EXACTly do you install a .tar?
[08:22] <firecrotch> !webmin
[08:22] <drew_> like a walk thru adding filenames to the command and all that
[08:22] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. Please avoid using it.
[08:22] <firecrotch> Oh great
[08:22] <firecrotch> I liked webmin!
[08:22] <eilker> !make > drew
[08:22] <Arwen> drew_, err.... .tar is not a kind of package
[08:23] <Arwen> drew_, usually, a .tar.foo is a source code package, in which case you need to build it, see !compile
[08:23] <drew_> in terminal?
[08:24] <eilker> !make
[08:24] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:24] <drew_> and do i add the file extention
[08:24] <Arwen> drew_, read what ubotu said
[08:25] <ninHero> hi all
[08:25] <ins-dragonclaw> wow
[08:25] <ins-dragonclaw> turning on "Hide Join/Part/Nick Events" really helps to maintain sanity
[08:26] <Arwen> lol
[08:27] <ins-dragonclaw> no, this is a 'lol':
[08:27] <ins-dragonclaw> --- ubuntu.com ping statistics ---
[08:27] <ins-dragonclaw> 538 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 537180ms
[08:27] <Arwen> HAHA
[08:27] <ins-dragonclaw> yet i'm online
[08:28] <Arwen> well, you're not on ubuntu.com, you're on freenode.net
[08:28] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[08:28] <ins-dragonclaw> ins-dragonclaw -> internet -> freenode.net so why doesn't ubuntu.com ping properly?
[08:28] <drew_> dosnet help at all, i still get errors with the commands
[08:28] <Buddha|> Is it safe to uninstall OpenOffice.org if I want KOffice instead?
[08:28] <Arwen>  Ping statistics for 82.211.81.166:
[08:28] <Arwen>      Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
[08:28] <Arwen> works for me
[08:29] <ins-dragonclaw> mhm
[08:29] <Arwen> Buddha|, yes, but not safe if you plan on dist-upgrading
[08:29] <ins-dragonclaw> --- freenode.net ping statistics ---
[08:29] <ins-dragonclaw> 23 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 22099ms
[08:29] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[08:29] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, is your firewall filtering out icmp?
[08:29] <ins-dragonclaw> wtf
[08:29] <ins-dragonclaw> Arwen: What firewall?
[08:29] <Arwen> hmm
[08:30] <aaron_> wow I think that worked even though it said it failed
[08:30] <ins-dragonclaw> ok this is getting weird
[08:30] <aaron_> ok 2.16.15
[08:30] <voorhees86> AmyRose are you there?? dont live me alone hehehe :)
[08:30] <Arwen> aaron_, does grub give you more choices of kernels to boot now?
[08:31] <Arwen> if not, I suggest upgrading linux-image-generic
[08:31] <ins-dragonclaw> Timeout on server
[08:31] <ins-dragonclaw>  Connection was to www.google.com at port 80
[08:31] <ins-dragonclaw> WTF
[08:31] <aaron_> no but the text in firefox looks wierd for some reason
[08:31] <Arwen> HAHA
[08:31] <ins-dragonclaw> it was working 10 minutes ago!
[08:31] <Arwen> aaron_, hmm, well, there's always a clean install?
[08:32] <AmyRose> I was hungry, voorhees86
[08:32] <ins-dragonclaw> ok, i'm going to shutdown and restart everything
[08:33] <aaron_> oh wow the font thing is a google problem
[08:33] <aaron_> seems fine on other webpages
[08:33] <aaron_> ok so how do I get opengl to work
[08:35] <firecrotch> !info ISPconfig
[08:35] <ubotu> Package ispconfig does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[08:36] <Arwen> !ipconfig
[08:36] <Arwen> ?
[08:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <Arwen> or did you mean
[08:36] <Arwen> !ifconfig
[08:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ifconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <Arwen> or.... ubotu is just lame
[08:36] <firecrotch> Arwen, no, the package is called ispconfig
[08:36] <Arwen> weird
[08:37] <firecrotch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISPConfig
[08:37] <Bourne> hi... I have installed KDE-3.80 packages from the kubuntu site... I am running KDE 4 now, no wallpaper, no clock, no applications, plain like this.. is this normal or did I configure it incorrectly????
[08:38] <Tm_T> Bourne: well, it's far from ready so yes
[08:38] <Arwen> Bourne, you're using KDE4.... you deserve it
[08:38] <Tm_T> Bourne: it's not meant to users at all
[08:38] <Tm_T> !kde4
[08:38] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[08:39] <Bourne> Well not even a WALLPAPER?
[08:39] <Arwen> kde4 is lame... they took out arts....
[08:39] <Arwen> Bourne, :-)
[08:39] <Tm_T> Bourne: ofcourse not
[08:39] <Arwen> go back to kde3
[08:39] <Tm_T> Bourne: it's not ready
[08:39] <Bourne> dont mind if I tell you , but this is plain FUCKED?
[08:39] <Arwen> Bourne, didn't you read where it said kde4 was PRE-ALPHA?
[08:39] <Bourne> what does a developer do with this?
[08:40] <Tm_T> Bourne: code it
[08:40] <Arwen> Bourne, add more code :-)
[08:40] <Bourne> the only different thing I SAW, was the logout
[08:40] <Bourne> logout buttons... the only thing
[08:40] <Tm_T> Bourne: yes, because biggest difference is underneath it
[08:40] <_Iwonder_> lol
[08:41] <_Iwonder_> nick Iwonder|too
[08:41] <Bourne> ok, i got it
[08:41] <Bourne> the menu stuff is not working
[08:41] <Tm_T> good
[08:42] <Bourne> QT 4 is faster indeed
[08:42] <Bourne> what the fuck!
[08:42] <Tm_T> !ohmy | Bourne
[08:42] <ubotu> Bourne: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:42] <Arwen> !notcool | Bourne
[08:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about notcool - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <raffytaffy> Both Microsoft and Novell are ultimately applying a "kill switch" to ingenuity
[08:43] <Tm_T> aha?
[08:43] <Arwen> raffytaffy, don't just make statements like those, back em up with facts
[08:43] <ins-dragonclaw> The best place to put two big speakers ... is behind you ^^
[08:43] <Tm_T> also, this is not place for statements ;)
[08:44] <ins-dragonclaw> M$ is aiming for improved user experience. whether or not that kills ingenuity, i dont' know
[08:44] <ins-dragonclaw> I don't know Novell from a bar of soap, so i won't go there
[08:44] <Arwen> TOR!
[08:44] <Arwen> :-)
[08:44] <Bourne> I trashed 220 MB download to get this
[08:45] <Bourne> you should have warned what exactly what in the site
[08:45] <ins-dragonclaw> but improved user experience usually == flashy graphics and better plug and pray
[08:45] <Tm_T> Bourne: hm?
[08:45] <Arwen> Bourne, we did... didn't you see the big warning?
[08:45] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, meh, Vista isn't actually that bad
[08:45] <ins-dragonclaw> so raffytaffy may have a point...
[08:45] <raffytaffy> M$ embraces the eee tactic and uses patent trolls
[08:45] <ins-dragonclaw> Arwen: seen the security system?
[08:45] <Bourne> you put, "for developers", only... you shold have put "This release has no wallpaper, menu is not working, nothing works and its really plain... so think about before downloading"
[08:45] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, matter of taste :-\
[08:45] <ins-dragonclaw> you might as well be sitting at Micro$oft headoffice. it's about as tight
[08:45] <Tm_T> raffytaffy: ins-dragonclaw: Arwen: take this offtopic to somewhere else thanks
[08:46] <KopBuH> don't you know what does "pre-alpha" mean? :)
[08:46] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay
[08:46] <Arwen> Bourne, gee...... you shoulda maybe researched it?
[08:46] <Bourne> LOL
[08:46] <Arwen> Tm_T, didn't start it...
[08:46] <ins-dragonclaw> what did Bourne download?
[08:46] <jordo23> Hey All!  I am playing a video stream through KMPLAYER in Konq. It plays fine for about 2-3 min and then always shuts off......is there a setting to modify this or is something else wrong?
[08:46] <Tm_T> Arwen: doesn't matter
[08:46] <Bourne> it's because people are just putting up marvelous KDE4 screenshots
[08:46] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, kde4 :-P
[08:46] <Bourne> all over
[08:46] <Bourne> and we end up thinking its going to be like that
[08:46] <ins-dragonclaw> ouch ok
[08:46] <Bourne> and tis not
[08:46] <srecko> hello
[08:46] <Arwen> jordo23, probably a buffer underrun, i.e. the bitrate > your bandwidth
[08:47] <Tm_T> Bourne: "for developers" might mean exactly what it says
[08:47] <SSJ_GZ> Bourne: What "Marvellous screenshots"?
[08:47] <Bourne> Tm_T: disagree!
[08:47] <ins-dragonclaw> Tm_T: has a point
[08:47] <KopBuH> just to let you know, katapult is not that unique. windows user have the similar thing now, "launchy" :)
[08:47] <Bourne> Tm_T: i strongly disagree
[08:47] <Tm_T> Bourne: you can make it look and work well IF you know what you do
[08:47] <Bourne> Tm_T: you shuold have put there... "ITS NOT WORKING like you THINK"
[08:47] <ins-dragonclaw> KopBuH: Microsoft steals their ideas from other OS's
[08:47] <Tm_T> Bourne: how we know what you think?
[08:47] <ins-dragonclaw> they pinched their 'active corners' from mac
[08:47] <SSJ_GZ> Bourne: No, I think "developers only" pretty much covers it.
[08:47] <ins-dragonclaw> for example*
[08:47] <tmbg> they steal code not just ideas.
[08:47] <KopBuH> ins-dragonclaw: i didn't say it was m$ development :)
[08:47] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, you don't "steal" ideas, that's what people that push DRM say
[08:48] <Bourne> now who's gonna help me pay this 220 MB wasted bandwidth???
[08:48] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[08:48] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:48] <Bourne> no one of you, right?
[08:48] <Arwen> Bourne, zzz.......
[08:48] <jordo23> Arwen: I don't think so. Plus works in Windoze....meant to be streamed over cable. It plays fine for 2-3 min and then stops itself....wierd..
[08:48] <ins-dragonclaw> okay, someone just set #kubuntu (+offtopicpolice)
[08:48] <Arwen> jordo23, don't use kmplayer :-\
[08:48] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:48] <markelhas> hi, a need some help in my network configuration
[08:48] <raffytaffy> kde 4 right now is as stable as a grape balancing ona needle point
[08:49] <ins-dragonclaw> raffytaffy: aka very
[08:49] <Bourne> you guys are fucked.... to get ahead ubuntu this needs FAR FAR FAR MORE POLISHING than it is right now... but ok... I GONE
[08:49] <ins-dragonclaw> grapes will sit securely on needle points  :)
[08:49] <jordo23> Arwen: What should I use?  The link is a javascript link and don't know how to open it in anything else...
[08:49] <raffytaffy> if u stab them
[08:49] <ins-dragonclaw> Bye
[08:49] <raffytaffy> yes
[08:49] <raffytaffy> lol
[08:49] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:49] <Arwen> jordo23, dunno :-(
[08:49] <markelhas> i've kubuntu and i've 1 laptop connect to my router via wifi and a desktop via eth
[08:49] <ins-dragonclaw> you can MAKE it balance :p
[08:49] <ins-dragonclaw> 377 vs 1
[08:49] <Arwen> jordo23, mplayer maybe?
[08:50] <markelhas> and when a ping my router from desktop i've pack loss
[08:50] <ins-dragonclaw> Tm_T, that took too long...
[08:50] <jordo23> Arwen: KMPlayer is Mplayer....same engine...
[08:50] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: I'm old
[08:50] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:50] <markelhas> can some one give some tips to fix this?
[08:50] <Tm_T> jordo23: well, KMplayer uses mplayer, xine and gstreamer
[08:50] <Arwen> jordo23, hmm, dunno then - VLC is remarkable for network playback
[08:50] <jordo23> Tm_T: I know this.
[08:51] <raffytaffy> i cant get the proper aspect ratio as i can in mplayer
[08:51] <Tm_T> well, KMplayer is not Mplayer ;)
[08:51] <raffytaffy> vlc always has those darn black lines
[08:51] <Arwen> raffytaffy, black lines? you using beryl?
[08:51] <raffytaffy> no way
[08:52] <raffytaffy> i dont use accelerated stuf
[08:52] <raffytaffy> with mplayer i use 4:3 and i have full screen
[08:52] <Arwen> wait.... you don't use accelerated stuff? that doesn't sound right.........
[08:52] <raffytaffy> in vlc 4:3 still has the vertical lines
[08:52] <raffytaffy> accelerated desktops : compiz xgl etc etc
[08:52] <raffytaffy> fancy eye candy stuff
[08:52] <Arwen> raffytaffy, dunno then, I just play a bunch of generic XViD 640x480 cruft, so
[08:53] <Arwen> btw, beryl/compiz is not just eye candy...
[08:53] <raffytaffy> i have an odd screen...1280 x800
[08:53] <Kite_DH> can somebody help me installing mousecursors?
[08:53] <Jonty> Is UML available on (K)Ubuntu?
[08:53] <klerfayt_> !opera
[08:53] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:53] <Jonty> !uml
[08:53] <Arwen> uh, Opera is GPL, no?
[08:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uml - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:53] <Jonty> Arwen: no
[08:54] <AmyRose> No
[08:54] <Arwen> I coulda recalled that they open sourced it recently
[08:54] <Jonty> made it cost-free, yes
[08:54] <Jonty> used to be ad-supported/registered
[08:54] <raffytaffy> what lol
[08:54] <raffytaffy> thats odd
[08:55] <raffytaffy> not as odd as my ISP refusing to give me MY MTU
[08:56] <Jonty> Is User-mode linux available on (K)Ubuntu?
[08:56] <AmyRose> Arwen: Sure Beryl and Compiz are just eye-candy ;P
[08:57] <Jonty> Is User-mode linux available on (K)Ubuntu and if not, is it wise to use the debian package?
[08:57] <Arwen> AmyRose, nah, they make your desktop look more elegant :-\
[08:58] <AmyRose> Arwen: That's my definition of "eye candy"
[08:58] <Arwen> and the programmable hotkeys and accessibility features are nice
[08:58] <raffytaffy> :)
[08:58] <AmyRose> oh, true
[08:58] <tmarkey> hey.
[08:59] <eth01> btw ive installed kubuntu
[08:59] <foxwoods> any more connections go down?
[08:59] <eth01> theres a theme which i like bt the damn theme wont change into my wallpaper?
[08:59] <eth01> Tuxwin-0
[09:00] <eth01> yea
[09:00] <Arwen> Ubuntu's isn't much better :-\
[09:00] <Arwen> BROWN....
[09:00] <eth01> yea
[09:00] <eth01> well who knows?
[09:00] <Tm_T> Arwen: stop leaning to shift ;)
[09:00] <Arwen> Tm_T, it's the intensity with which I dislike purple and brown...
[09:01] <klerfayt_> commercial repo for edgy is? deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[09:01] <Tm_T> Arwen: ...
[09:01] <Tm_T> klerfayt_: s/dapper/edgy/
[09:01] <Arwen> Tm_T, hmm?
[09:03] <raffytaffy> hmm i need to find me a good kubutu logo
[09:04] <n8k99> raffytaffy: look on the wiki
[09:04] <raffytaffy> ok
[09:04] <Arwen> kubuntu has its own wiki?
[09:05] <bill_k> threre are kubuntu logos in the examples folder too
[09:05] <bill_k> there*
[09:05] <n8k99> it is shared with the ubutnu wiki
[09:05] <Ashfire908> do i need one off all the stuff here? archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase
[09:05] <PF-Away> is it possible to easily clear out old config files?
[09:05] <Ashfire908> *to use the kde desktop
[09:05] <PF-Away> as in, not "purge" everything manually?
[09:07] <ins-dragonclaw> hey, are kubuntu users free to use the logos wherever they want?
[09:07] <PF-Away> ins-dragonclaw: they might be copyrighted by their artists
[09:07] <ins-dragonclaw> but what if the usage was non-profit?
[09:07] <n8k99> ins-dragonclaw: there are guidelines to using the logos
[09:07] <ins-dragonclaw> n8k99: where are they?
[09:07] <n8k99> hangon
[09:08] <firecrotch> !mysql
[09:08] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[09:08] <ins-dragonclaw> still hanging...
[09:08] <PF-Away> !logo
[09:08] <n8k99> still loading ....
[09:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about logo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:08] <firecrotch> !info mysql-devel
[09:08] <PF-Away> !logos
[09:08] <ubotu> Package mysql-devel does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[09:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about logos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:09] <ins-dragonclaw> ubotu has a problem...
[09:09] <firecrotch> Anyone know where I can get the mysql headers?
[09:09] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[09:09] <Ashfire908> hello?
[09:09] <ins-dragonclaw> hello Ashfire908
[09:09] <ins-dragonclaw> What are you trying to do?
[09:10] <abortd_> Lynoure: u around?
[09:10] <Tm_T> !away | bill_k
[09:10] <ubotu> bill_k: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[09:10] <Tm_T> abortd_: what's up?
[09:10] <aaron_> ok this is getting wierd so adept crapped out with 36 updates to go out of 908
[09:11] <bill_k> Tm_T: thanks. still learning all the etiquite....
[09:11] <aaron_> and now I gotta run apt-get upgrade
[09:11] <AbortD> needed to talk to her fr a sec
[09:11] <bill_k> !guidelines
[09:11] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:11] <aaron_> and hopefully that will fix the problem
[09:11] <Lynoure> AbortD: yes.
[09:11] <AbortD> were u the one that tried o help me with my keyboard?
[09:11] <Lynoure> AbortD: Your keyboard got better?
[09:11] <Tm_T> :)
[09:11] <AbortD> :) i bough a new one
[09:11] <AbortD> bought
[09:12] <AbortD> and speakers too while i was at it hah
[09:12] <Lynoure> AbortD: :) So it was a hardware problem.
[09:12] <AbortD> good speakers too
[09:12] <AbortD> yeah
[09:12] <AbortD> i freaked out
[09:12] <Ashfire908> sorry
[09:12] <Lynoure> AbortD: understandable.
[09:12] <Ashfire908> [02:05:41 PM]  <Ashfire908> do i need one off all the stuff here? archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase
[09:12] <Ashfire908> [02:05:55 PM]  <Ashfire908> *to use the kde desktop
[09:12] <AbortD> me without a keyboard is like missing my left arm
[09:12] <KaoticEvil> hmmm. Kopete wont go online
[09:13] <Lynoure> AbortD: I switched to dvorak last summer and my did I feel helpless at 9 wpm :)
[09:13] <ins-dragonclaw> Ashfire908: what are you running? ubuntu?
[09:13] <raffytaffy> it amazes me how many ppl ...once they install kubuntu..dont relize that the speakers are set to "mute" and they think their audio is borked hehe
[09:13] <AbortD> :P
[09:13] <Tm_T> Ashfire908: how about installing kubuntu-desktop ?
[09:13] <AbortD> dvorak?
[09:13] <NamShub> does digg.com slow down firefox to an almost halt for everyone or is it just me?
[09:13] <Lynoure> AbortD: actually, must have been like 4 wpm.  Dvorak is an alternative keyboard layout.
[09:13] <AbortD> these speakers are so much better
[09:14] <PF-Away> konqueror rocks
[09:14] <ins-dragonclaw> amen, PF-Away
[09:14] <AbortD> Lynoure: oh hehe that sucks i like this keyboard better anyways i guess some keys i dont think will work
[09:14] <Tm_T> PF-Away: you're away?
[09:14] <AbortD> it has 3 power buttons or something
[09:14] <ins-dragonclaw> indeed he is
[09:14] <AbortD> one to wake up
[09:14] <Ashfire908> sorry again
[09:14] <Lynoure> AbortD: multimedia keys?
[09:14] <AbortD> one to sleep and one to power on and off
[09:14] <PF-Away> Tm_T: i'm supposed to be washing some clothes
[09:14] <ins-dragonclaw> lol...
[09:14] <AbortD> Lynoure: power keys
[09:14] <Ashfire908> i'm currently unable to use ubuntu online
[09:15] <Lynoure> AbortD: have you tried all the keyboard models in the settings?
[09:15] <Tm_T> PF-Away: anyway, you shouldn't use public away here ;)
[09:15] <AbortD> hm nope
[09:15] <PF-Away> Tm_T: not using public away
[09:15] <PF-Away> using one of my two registered nicks;)
[09:15] <Lynoure> AbortD: it would be possible to set it as shortcut, if nothing else, I bet.
[09:15] <AbortD> this is a cheapo keyboard i think Lynoure :P
[09:15] <Ashfire908> since i connect in an odd way (using a RAZR's modem in packet mode via a USB cable
[09:15] <AbortD> where are these setting?
[09:15] <ins-dragonclaw> is it possible to bind the Windows key to open the K Menu somehow?
[09:15] <Tm_T> PF-Away: hmm, so you're not going to switch back and forth your nick?
[09:15] <Ashfire908> I have ubuntu with gnome
[09:16] <PF-Away> Tm_T: nope
[09:16] <raffytaffy> is kubuntu forums gonna get rss feeds?
[09:16] <ins-dragonclaw> Ashfire908: I'm using a Sony Ericsson k750i via USB :)
[09:16] <PF-Away> i'll rather go and wash those clothes;)
[09:16] <AbortD> Ashfire908:  #ubuntu
[09:16] <Tm_T> PF-Away: ok then, just checking :)
[09:16] <Arwen> * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned). :-(
[09:16] <ins-dragonclaw> geez, PF-Away and Tm_T keep winking at eachother...
[09:16] <AbortD> Arwen: what did you do to get banned :
[09:16] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: so?
[09:16] <Ashfire908> ins-dragonclaw, how did you get it to work?
[09:16] <AbortD> :
[09:16] <Lynoure> ins-dragonclaw: yes, I bet. Checked at System Settings ->Keyboard->Shortcuts?
[09:16] <AbortD> :)
[09:16] <ins-dragonclaw> nothing...
[09:16] <Arwen> AbortD, called Seveas an arrogant bastard :-\
[09:17] <Arwen> AbortD, it's been five months now :-) :-) :-)
[09:17] <n8k99> ins-dragonclaw:  http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy
[09:17] <ins-dragonclaw> Ashfire908: KPPP and a little prayer
[09:17] <n8k99> ins-dragonclaw: sorry took so long
[09:17] <AbortD> Arwen: haha i was akilled for running my mouth in ubuntu
[09:17] <Tm_T> Arwen: #ubuntu-ops if you need some change for that
[09:17] <ins-dragonclaw> that's ok, n8k99
[09:17] <AmyRose> !offtopic | Arwen
[09:17] <ubotu> Arwen: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:17] <AbortD> now its over with
[09:17] <Lynoure> AbortD: yours are at System settings -> Regional -> Keyboard layout -> Keyboard model
[09:18] <Arwen> Tm_T, actually, I'm banned from #ubuntu-ops too
[09:18] <Arwen> :-\
[09:18] <AbortD> thanks Lynoure
[09:18] <Lynoure> AbortD: even if it does not have an exact match, makes sense to try similar ones...
[09:18] <Tm_T> Arwen: I assume there's reason for that then
[09:18] <AbortD> Lynoure:  im not seeing "Sytem Setting"
[09:18] <Lynoure> AbortD: and there is a shortcut slot for shutdown, see the path I gave to ins-dragonclaw
[09:18] <Arwen> Tm_T, actually, all I ever did in #ubuntu-ops was ask about why I got banned....
[09:19] <AmyRose> Maybe it's cuz you're using Windows
[09:19] <Lynoure> AbortD: it or something similar should be in kmenu
[09:19] <ins-dragonclaw> "System Settings", right above "Actions:
[09:19] <Lynoure> AbortD: I'm in feisty so the names are not 100% accurate but should get you there
[09:19] <AbortD> ahhh
[09:19] <jarn> I'm trying to install Nexuiz but there seems to be a problem with the versions... It says "nexuiz: Depends: nexuiz-data (>= 2.2.3-1) but 2.2.3-1~edgy1 is installed." So it looks like the required version is installed but it doesn't like it because of the ~edgy1
[09:19] <Arwen> huh, not banned from #ubuntu-ops anymore, yay
[09:20] <Arwen> jarn, ow, file a bug
[09:20] <Arwen> jarn, in the meantime, just download nexuiz from nexuiz.sourceforge.net
[09:20] <jarn> Arwen: Eh, I didn
[09:20] <bill_k> Tm_T: cool, i didn't know about /away
[09:20] <[miles] > evening #kubuntu
[09:20] <blue|palm> When is the feisty release date?
[09:20] <jarn> Arwen: How do I file a bug?
[09:21] <Tm_T> blue|palm: 19.4.
[09:21] <[miles] > but anyone managed to get VMware server installed? VirtualBox installed easy as pie
[09:21] <Ashfire908> where can i get KPPP
[09:21] <Arwen> jarn, huh... dunno, it's somewhere on launchpad.net
[09:21] <blue|palm> Tm_T: thanks
[09:21] <Arwen> Ashfire908, in apt...
[09:21] <raffytaffy> i have a bug to file to.speaking of bugs...everytime i load up feisty...then i reboot into edgy...my clock is 5 hours ahead
[09:21] <ins-dragonclaw> Lynoure: nope, there's nothing in the shortcuts about the K Meny
[09:21] <AbortD> Lynoure: yeah im not seeing the brand
[09:21] <ins-dragonclaw> Menu*
[09:21] <Ashfire908> i'm not on linux right now
[09:21] <ins-dragonclaw> ooh okay we're overloading her...
[09:22] <Ashfire908> where can i get the .deb
[09:22] <blue|palm> Cana nyone here who has used kubuntu feisty beta tell me what is new (big changes) I saw the ubuntu changelist what with the windows transfer wizard and a couple of other stuff
[09:22] <Arwen> Ashfire908, packages.ubuntu.com
[09:22] <blue|palm> But i cant seem to find a kubuntu changelist
[09:22] <AbortD> Lynoure: how do i setup the shortcuts?
[09:22] <PF-Away> jarn: purge and update
[09:23] <jarn> PF-Away: Purge what?
[09:23] <Ashfire908> where can i get the .deb for KPPP
[09:23] <Lynoure> AbortD: if you want to bind windows key on it's own, first check it is not on the modifier key list
[09:23] <PF-Away> jarn: nexuiz-data
[09:23] <Tm_T> Ashfire908: just use adept for that
[09:23] <Arwen> jarn, you could do a force version if that helps
[09:23] <PF-Away> AbortD: I don't think it's possible in KDE
[09:23] <NightBird> lets see if it works in feisty...
[09:23] <blue|palm> Can anyone tell me how to fix the the problem where your usb drives dont automount? Im in kubuntu edgy
[09:23] <PF-Away> at least that's what one of the devs told me
[09:23] <NightBird> well... it's down... let's see if it will be able to come back up..
[09:23] <KaoticEvil> AbortD: what are you trying to do?
[09:24] <eth01> how do i install bitlbee?
[09:24] <KaoticEvil> use your multimedia keys?
[09:24] <Ashfire908> i'm not on linux right now
[09:24] <Ashfire908> i'm not on linux right now
[09:24] <Ashfire908> i'm not on linux right now
[09:24] <PF-Away> !paste
[09:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:24] <Lynoure> AbortD: actually, might be that the Windows scheme would have that as is.
[09:24] <PF-Away> !paste | Ashfire908
[09:24] <ubotu> Ashfire908: please see above
[09:24] <n8k99> AmyRose: i'm with you
[09:24] <AbortD> Lynoure: huh?
[09:24] <jarn> PF-Away: It still does the same thing.
[09:24] <AmyRose> n8k99: Yay!
[09:24] <jarn> Arwen: How do I do that?
[09:25] <blue|palm> AmyRose: there are some cases where specialist software (think guitarists and guitarPro :) ) is required... Im a guitarist btw...
[09:25] <Arwen> jarn, dunno, it should be an option in adept (advanced mode maybe?), I come from Ubuntu, so I don't know
[09:25] <NightBird> hm.... doesn't look like it liked coming back up from hibernation...
[09:25] <KaoticEvil> AbortD: what are you trying to do with keyboard shortcuts?
[09:26] <ins-dragonclaw> * AmyRose sometimes feels like she is the only Linux user who has no use for Windows compatibility.... <--- you're not the only one that feels like that... lol
[09:26] <n8k99> AmyRose: i am looking forward to a handwriting recognition app for linux'
[09:26] <AbortD> KaoticEvil: make 3 keys that are meant to wake up , sleep and power
[09:26] <AmyRose> Arwen: I just install Synaptic
[09:26] <AbortD> work
[09:27] <blue|palm> AmyRose: we will all get there eventually... linux heaven... sniff sniff :)
[09:27] <Arwen> AmyRose, uh... that doesn't sound efficient, lol
[09:27] <Arwen> :-\
[09:27] <AmyRose> actually, more
[09:27] <blue|palm> AmyRose: this aint a handwriting vs typing debate :)
[09:27] <AmyRose> blue|palm: I know.
[09:28] <blue|palm> AmyRose: we want ALL software for linux :) and handwriting recognition that works (actually anywhere) would be cool
[09:28] <AmyRose> Arwen: It may not be efficient, but I prefer to use the better tool
[09:28] <Arwen> hmm
[09:28] <blue|palm> AmyRose: you have to agree, wine is an amazing software miracle :)
[09:28] <AmyRose> Adept sucks. I'm sorry, but they need to do a lot of work on it
[09:28] <Arwen> blue|palm, only, wine doesn't exactly work...
[09:28] <blue|palm> Arwen: I know...
[09:28] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[09:28] <AmyRose> blue|palm: True. I was referring more to "Windows file transfer wizards" though
[09:28] <KaoticEvil> AbortD: you might look at this --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopButtons i know its for laptops, but it covers the sleep/suspend/shut down buttons
[09:29] <Arwen> AmyRose, is there a command to tell synaptic to run in non-interactiv emode?
[09:29] <AmyRose> Arwen: Why?
[09:29] <blue|palm> AmyRose: ah i see :)
[09:29] <Arwen> AmyRose, dunno, I don't wanna click on "refresh" and "all upgrades"
[09:29] <AmyRose> Arwen: I don't think there is, sorry
[09:29] <blue|palm> Arwen: use update-notifier
[09:30] <blue|palm> Arwen: add it to your kde autostart, its an amazing little tool
[09:30] <AmyRose> blue|palm: I use it for XWE because I edit character files for a Doom-based Sonic game http://www.srb2.org
[09:30] <Arwen> blue|palm, what's the syntax?
[09:30] <KaoticEvil> Arwen: sudo apto-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:30] <Arwen> KaoticEvil, I know I know... I want a gui though :-\
[09:30] <Arwen> even if it is just a progress bar
[09:30] <blue|palm> Arwen: sudo apt-get install update-notifier
[09:30] <porkchop_1> Hi I am about to install the newest feisty beta on an AMD 64x2 system...It has windows X64 on an IDE drive... and 2 SATA drives for DATA... Must I unplug the SATA drives before installing? TIA :)
[09:30] <AmyRose> blue|palm: You know what's funny, though? XWE runs better in Wine than it does on my friend's XP machine ;P
[09:30] <KaoticEvil> Arwen: for just getting updates?
[09:30] <ins-dragonclaw> poor Arwen's getting swamped...
[09:30] <blue|palm> AmyRose: haha
[09:30] <blue|palm> AmyRose: that is funny
[09:30] <Arwen> blue|palm, no no no..... the command to get it to perform actions, can I do update-notifier install package?
[09:31] <Arwen> KaoticEvil, :-\
[09:31] <blue|palm> Arwen: no... update-notifier is an automated update utility, thats all
[09:31] <tmbg> porkchop_1, you get to choose which disk to install to during the install.
[09:31] <blue|palm> Arwen: you need to use apt-get or aptitude
[09:31] <blue|palm> Arwen: to install
[09:31] <Arwen> just wondering, because when all those config tools fetch stuff from apt, it pops up a synaptic-like box..
[09:31] <tmbg> and it will also let you partition some space off of a disk if needbe and install in that.
[09:32] <|okapi014> hello to all!
[09:32] <tmbg> so I have obsd on a scsi disk, windows on first half of an ide disk, and kubuntu on the second half of it.
[09:32] <porkchop_1> blue|palm,  will GRUB load properly? windows has a hard time doing its bootloader when I have the sata pluged in.. Thank you BTW :)
[09:32] <blue|palm> Can anyone assist in the fixing of my kde automount for usb devices deciding to stop working... manual mounting is getting really irritating
[09:32] <AmyRose> Hello |okapi014
[09:32] <|okapi014> How can I mount a usb drive? Anyone can help?
[09:32] <blue|palm> porkchop_1: did i help you or something?
[09:32] <Arwen> blue|palm, huh, it was as easy as synaptic --non-interactive...
[09:32] <blue|palm> Arwen: lol ok
[09:33] <porkchop_1> omg sorry I ment, <tmbg>
[09:33] <blue|palm> porkchop_1: lol its ok
[09:33] <blue|palm> hehe
[09:33] <AbortD> KaoticEvil: im sorry but i hate that page
[09:33] <n8k99> porkchop_1: no such thing
[09:34] <tmbg> porkchop_1, what do you mean will GRUB work properly?
[09:34] <blue|palm> Can anyone tell me how to fix the automounting of usb drives... anyone?
[09:34] <tmbg> it added entries for both partitions on my IDE drive. I'm sure I could add one to at least attempt to boot bsd on the scsi disk.
[09:34] <porkchop_1> with the M$ bootloader it will not see other OS's if I have the SATA pluged in
[09:34] <KaoticEvil> AbortD: why?
[09:35] <porkchop_1> I have a feeling you guys are more advanced than them :)
[09:35] <blue|palm> tmbg: do you have any experience with inserting an ide drive into a kubuntu based machine?
[09:35] <KaoticEvil> AbortD: xev can help you get the keycodes.. then its just a matter of setting up the keys
[09:35] <Arwen> porkchop_1, that means it will see them if you don't have the SATA drive plugged in?
[09:35] <eXistenZ> I'm trying to search for some wallpaper I had (and deleted by mistaked). =/
[09:35] <Arwen> porkchop_1, and btw, it's MS, not M$
[09:35] <blue|palm> tmbg: I mean that kubuntu is already one
[09:35] <blue|palm> tmbg: I mean that kubuntu is already on*
[09:35] <eXistenZ> It is called 3depthinsolitude, if anyone have it
[09:35] <tmbg> blue|palm, after install? no.
[09:35] <AbortD> KaoticEvil: where do i set these keys at?
[09:35] <porkchop_1> Arwen, yes
[09:35] <blue|palm> tmbg: yes after install, try as i might i couldnt get it to work :(
[09:35] <Arwen> porkchop_1, err, do you have SATA drivers installed on your Windows partition?
[09:36] <porkchop_1> sure
[09:36] <porkchop_1> on both of them
[09:36] <porkchop_1> x64 and 43 bit XP
[09:36] <porkchop_1> 32 ^^
[09:36] <KaoticEvil> AbortD: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDEMultimediaKeys has instructions for setting up extra keys
[09:36] <Arwen> wait, Windows sees your linux install? that makes no sense....
[09:36] <eXistenZ> Does anyone have a nice gif wallpaper?
[09:36] <porkchop_1> 0o
[09:36] <KaoticEvil> 43 bit? whoa :P
[09:36] <tmbg> if grub is on whatever disk the bios boot first, I don't see how it would care about the sata disks.
[09:36] <porkchop_1> cool :)
[09:36] <porkchop_1> this is exciteing
[09:36] <AbortD> screw it its not that important to me
[09:37] <ins-dragonclaw> uh-huh
[09:37] <KaoticEvil> AbortD: it's not really that difficult... it takes some effort on your part, but only once
[09:37] <Arwen> eXistenZ, why the hell do you want gif?
[09:37] <tmbg> I wonder if t hat was coffee.... or CRYSTAL METH. ;)
[09:37] <Arwen> eXistenZ, PNG at least.... and why not JPEG?
[09:37] <porkchop_1> lol
[09:37] <Lynoure> If I try to walk through desktops with kb shortcut, I get only two desktops out of 6. What could be the cause?
[09:37] <ins-dragonclaw> eXistenZ: get K3Dmatrix screensaver, run it and take a screenshot
[09:37] <porkchop_1> I hate drugs, other than coffee, and Viagra
[09:37] <Arwen> lol
[09:38] <ins-dragonclaw> Lynoure: Use System Settings > Keyboard Shortcuts
[09:38] <Lynoure> ins-dragonclaw: I am.
[09:38] <ins-dragonclaw> set "Walk Through Desktops" to <whatever>
[09:38] <ins-dragonclaw> I use Ctrl+Tab
[09:38] <ins-dragonclaw> and Ctrl+Shift+Tab for (Reverse)
[09:38] <Lynoure> ins-dragonclaw: but with those very things I get just 2 out of 6
[09:38] <ins-dragonclaw> I get all 6
[09:38] <NightBird> woo! my ethernet 0 network connection is no longer quantum!
[09:38] <ins-dragonclaw> hold in ctrl and tab
[09:38] <ins-dragonclaw> tab away* i mean
[09:39] <ins-dragonclaw> works like alt+tab, but for desktops
[09:39] <Ayabara2> what do you guys use for photo management? digikam, picasa, something else?
[09:39] <porkchop_1> How do I make so my wife cant delete my porn URL bookmarks?
[09:39] <ins-dragonclaw> oO
[09:39] <Arwen> porkchop_1, uh.... you fail
[09:39] <porkchop_1> chmod?
[09:39] <fyrmedic> anyone know how to get DVD's working. I can see as much as the entry video's up to the menu then it shuts down.
[09:39] <ninHero> porkchop_1: use a livecd lol
[09:39] <Arwen> porkchop_1, first off, get your own user account... then nobody can touch your profile
[09:40] <porkchop_1> lol, just jokeing
[09:40] <raffytaffy> buy her a computer and dont let her use yours
[09:40] <ins-dragonclaw> fyrmedic: do you have the proper decoders?
[09:40] <Arwen> and two, yeah, livecd
[09:40] <ins-dragonclaw> and you guys get serious about this O.O
[09:40] <Arwen> and three, use tor to look at your kiddie pr0n....
[09:40] <Lynoure> ins-dragonclaw: it worked faultily with win+tab (it was empty by default) and correctly with win+tab, though nothing seemed to be using the latter. any idea why?
[09:40] <ins-dragonclaw> Arwen!
[09:40] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, you never know, he mighta been serious
[09:40] <ins-dragonclaw> ...and so are you
[09:40] <fyrmedic> ins-dragonclaw; I assume so. I have tried to find all of the decoders I could.
[09:40] <ins-dragonclaw> Lynoure: Win+Tab also screwed up on mine, so I'm using Ctrl+TAb
[09:40] <porkchop_1> she is the kiddie porn one.. she has all kinds of photos of highschool swim teams, and underware ads
[09:40] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, what, it's common sense
[09:41] <ins-dragonclaw> no, it's "Taking Tech Support Too Far"
[09:41] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, hah, wintab doesn't look that elegant here, so I don't use it :-\
[09:41] <Lynoure> ins-dragonclaw: interesting. :) Thanks.
[09:41] <ins-dragonclaw> yw
[09:41] <Lynoure> Arwen: I was too lazy to make it look like a debian key :)
[09:41] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, what, it's good security advice
[09:41] <Jonty> Does anyone here have any experience with Xen?
[09:41] <ins-dragonclaw> and i like the alt-tab and ctrl-tab function better here
[09:41] <Arwen> Lynoure, lol - I still call my "super" key a winkey :-\
[09:42] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, ctrl+tab?
[09:42] <Alonea> allo
[09:42] <eXistenZ> Arwen: I had a nice wallpaper called 3depthinsolitude. I'm trying to find it again
[09:42] <eXistenZ> I just cannot get it out of my mind =/
[09:42] <ins-dragonclaw> MS should create a security layer for IE which measures the 'Arousal Index' for any given page. Then you can set the percentage at which it starts filtering pictures and words
[09:42] <raffytaffy> =))
[09:42] <Lynoure> ins-dragonclaw: Any idea how this twisted thing decides on their order?
[09:42] <raffytaffy> now thats funny!
[09:42] <ins-dragonclaw> Arwen: I manually configured ctrl-tab
[09:43] <ins-dragonclaw> Lynoure:
[09:43] <ins-dragonclaw> the window you opened last floats to the top
[09:43] <porkchop_1> thanks guys, im ready  to install, thank you all for your help
[09:43] <Lynoure> ins-dragonclaw: now it 1-6-3-5-2-4
[09:43] <ins-dragonclaw> tab down to 2 and release
[09:43] <Lynoure> ins-dragonclaw: but desktops do not float
[09:43] <ins-dragonclaw> when you tab again, it'll be at the top
[09:43] <ins-dragonclaw> in the wintab menu, i mean
[09:43] <Lynoure> oh, that way
[09:44] <ins-dragonclaw> yep
[09:44] <Lynoure> annoying...
[09:44] <foxwoods> anyone know about wireless?
[09:44] <Lynoure> I want thing not to move on their own.
[09:44] <ins-dragonclaw> but ctrl-tab will immediately take you back to your last window
[09:44] <ins-dragonclaw> so i find it OK
[09:44] <ins-dragonclaw> hell Lynoure, this is LINUX. there -has- to be a setting for it
[09:44] <|okapi014> How can I mount a usb drive? Anyone can help?
[09:45] <raffytaffy> !mount
[09:45] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:45] <foxwoods> after three tries to see if anyone knows, without saying anyone, you start to use 'anyone' a bit more.
[09:45] <aaron_> guess what folks
[09:45] <aaron_> edgy works
[09:45] <aaron_> I got it
[09:45] <eth01> libglib-dev << where can i get this? ?
[09:45] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[09:45] <aaron_> I had to let adept do all the work
[09:45] <raffytaffy> !libglib-dev
[09:45] <Arwen> eth01, apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libglib-dev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <aaron_> kernel 2.6.17
[09:46] <Arwen> eth01, you probably also want libglade2-dev
[09:46] <aaron_> ok so now all I gotta do is figure out how to enable opengl
[09:46] <aaron_> I really need help with this
[09:48] <eth01> thnks ok
[09:49] <ins-dragonclaw> Coming back to the "Arousal Security System" (Hereinafter referred to as 'ASS'), the system should be able to decode the meaning behind pictures and words in at least the official language for every country around the world.
[09:49] <ins-dragonclaw> This means that the ASS will take international collaboration to create, and probably a period of 5 to 10 years. The popularity of the ASS will no doubt be strengthened by copyright organisations and other concerned groups, and MS might very well secure funding from the Government.
[09:50] <ins-dragonclaw> However, there will be a major flaw in the ASS. Since it's programmed to look at context, it will permanently block the Microsoft site - among others - because it makes references to "New Anti-Porn Filter: ASS". We can therefore conclude that porn will always be a part of the Internet.
[09:50] <ins-dragonclaw> And that we can do nothing about it.
[09:51] <ins-dragonclaw> oh my word that was so pointless...
[09:51] <LjL> !away > f0ntsix    (f0ntsix, see the private message from Ubotu) | please fix that
[09:52] <firecrotch> !phpmyadmin
[09:52] <ubotu> phpmyadmin: set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:2.8.2-0.2 (edgy), package size 3522 kB, installed size 13752 kB
[09:53] <raffytaffy> webmin is good way to do php admin
[09:53] <Jonty> !xen
[09:53] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[09:54] <raffytaffy> any of you guys run *buntu on a xeon chip?
[09:54] <KaoticEvil> anyone used the Edgy -> Feisty upgrade tool yet?
[09:54] <firecrotch> raffytaffy: Except webmin isn't available for Ubuntu anymore
[09:55] <firecrotch> !webmin
[09:55] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. Please avoid using it.
[09:55] <raffytaffy> firecrotch: i compiled it
[09:55] <LjL> no because i didn't read the topic, so i just upgraded manually :P
[09:55] <KaoticEvil> lol
[09:55] <raffytaffy> i dont restrict myself to only .debs from sources
[09:55] <firecrotch> raffytaffy: Figured as much.  I couldn't get it to compile though
[09:56] <Jonty> I've been following the steps on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenVirtualMachine/XenOnUbuntuEdgy. However, when I try to boot with grub it compains that /boot/xen-3.0-i386.gz doesn't exist, which is true. Help?
[09:56] <raffytaffy> firecrotch: as i recall...the webmin from repos installed without creating a proper login
[09:56] <raffytaffy> thus couldnt be even used
[09:57] <firecrotch> raffytaffy: I had no no issues when it was in the repos, since I eneabled root
[09:57] <raffytaffy> ahh ok
[09:57] <raffytaffy> i dont like to use root unless i need to
[09:58] <zorglu_> q. i setting up a kubuntu box, and the font in firefox are ugly, while they are very nice everywhere i look on the system, any suggestion on a possible fix ?
[09:58] <firecrotch> raffytaffy: Do you know an alternative to webmin?
[09:59] <raffytaffy> firecrotch : not offhand i dont
[09:59] <raffytaffy> !phpadmin
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phpadmin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:59] <firecrotch> I got phpmyadmin installed, I need tools for setting up FTP, Bind, etc
[10:00] <raffytaffy> firecrotch: what is the error you get when trying to compile webmin
[10:00] <firecrotch> raffytaffy: I don't recall the exact error :(
[10:00] <raffytaffy> firecrotch : i think u simply dont have all dependencies met.
[10:01] <firecrotch> raffytaffy:  Probably
[10:01] <aaron_> ok so I tried to start Quake 3 and it crashed out and looked like my monitor was like zoomed in and I could like move around
[10:01] <raffytaffy> aaron_ : i know how to fix that
[10:01] <zorglu_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2181947 <- found my answer in the forum :)
[10:02] <aaron_> how
[10:02] <giri_> anyone from czech republic here?
[10:02] <aaron_> raffy taffy how please I love you if you can
[10:02] <raffytaffy> look at this topic i make on forum .....http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=203443
[10:02] <raffytaffy> i had this issue with doom 3
[10:02] <raffytaffy> but it use same engine
[10:02] <aaron_> ok thanks
[10:02] <Ashfire908> ins-dragonclaw, could you help me with my phone
[10:03] <ins-dragonclaw> Ashfire908: I'm no expert, but I can try.
[10:03] <ins-dragonclaw> You have a Motorola RAZR, right?
[10:03] <Ashfire908> yes
[10:03] <Ashfire908> i need the password
[10:03] <ins-dragonclaw> woah ok - which password where?
[10:03] <giri_> is there any issue with surround sound in fiesty?
[10:04] <giri_> i got some issue with it
[10:04] <ins-dragonclaw> the only two passwords you need are your root password and the password you use to connect to the internet via the phone
[10:04] <ins-dragonclaw> you should know both
[10:04] <eth01> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) << any1 know?
[10:04] <ins-dragonclaw> eth01: wait a while
[10:05] <ins-dragonclaw> did you run as sudo?
[10:05] <eth01> yeh
[10:05] <aaron_> ok so I didnt get that
[10:05] <ins-dragonclaw> ok. maybe something else is using it, then
[10:05] <eth01> apitutude
[10:05] <aaron_> how does a linux noob fix this
[10:05] <eth01> sudo aptitude install libglib2.0-dev
[10:05] <raffytaffy> aaron: u have to edit your xorg.conf
[10:05] <raffytaffy> from 16bpp to 24bpp
[10:05] <Ashfire908> the password you use to connect to the internet via the phone
[10:05] <aaron_> how do I do that
[10:05] <raffytaffy> and add the modes i specified on the bottom of that post
[10:05] <raffytaffy> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:05] <ins-dragonclaw> does the internet on your phone work?
[10:06] <ins-dragonclaw> or sudo kwrite if you're on kubuntu
[10:06] <ins-dragonclaw> like the channel name suggests
[10:06] <eth01> ok
[10:06] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[10:06] <Ashfire908> yes
[10:06] <Arwen> aaron_, try reinstalling your nvidia drivers
[10:06] <raffytaffy> i got used to gedit *shrugs*
[10:06] <aaron_> not using nvidia lol
[10:06] <Ashfire908> *come and get you love*
[10:06] <ins-dragonclaw> Here's a problem for you, Ashfire908 - I'm in south africa
[10:07] <Ashfire908> ...
[10:07] <ins-dragonclaw> forgive me if i know NOTHING about your mobile carrier?
[10:07] <ins-dragonclaw> mhmm
[10:07] <aaron_> ok it says it is default 24
[10:07] <Ashfire908> where can i find the password
[10:07] <raffytaffy> what is your screen reolution?
[10:07] <raffytaffy> what X what
[10:07] <Ashfire908> where is the password usally
[10:07] <aaron_> 1280x1024
[10:07] <ins-dragonclaw> but do you even need a password to connect? usually GRPS profiles don't need passwords
[10:07] <ins-dragonclaw> under your internet settings
[10:08] <Ashfire908> ...
[10:08] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm trying to remember the RAZR menu...
[10:08] <Ashfire908> one sec, brb
[10:08] <raffytaffy> 1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480
[10:08] <raffytaffy> make it look like that
[10:08] <Arwen> aaron_, if you're not using nvidia and you run linux, you fail
[10:08] <ins-dragonclaw> Web browser > Settings > Profiles. Something like that
[10:08] <Arwen> end.of.story
[10:08] <raffytaffy> under Depth 24
[10:08] <aaron_> arwen I use what I got
[10:08] <aaron_> it says that
[10:09] <VividHazE> Hey everyone i'm trying to rip audio from my CD's and make them MP3's but all I can do is make .ogg files when I try to use lame it says it can't, how do I do this???
[10:09] <raffytaffy> then your problem lies in your ati driver
[10:09] <ins-dragonclaw> VividHazE: install the lame encoder
[10:09] <heslar> hello...am i here?
[10:09] <aaron_> ok so ATI is the problem
[10:09] <firecrotch> raffytaffy: even the webmin .deb package won't install
[10:09] <Arwen> VividHazE, use Vorbis instead..... MP3s suck
[10:09] <raffytaffy> firecrotch : compile it
[10:09] <aaron_> so this os is not compatible with ati then
[10:09] <ins-dragonclaw> but not all portable devices can play ogg
[10:09] <zorglu_> i got the most complex audio system ever :)
[10:09] <Arwen> aaron_, well, it's ATi that's not compatible with Linux
[10:09] <raffytaffy> aaron_: i mean you will have to play with ati settings
[10:09] <uciu> !help
[10:09] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:09] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, I suggest getting one that can :-\
[10:10] <aaron_> ok
[10:10] <aaron_> so what are the ati settings
[10:10] <raffytaffy> but i use nvidia so i cant really tell u much about ati
[10:10] <ins-dragonclaw> Arwen: I. Am. In. Africa.
[10:10] <ins-dragonclaw> The rules are different here
[10:10] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, hell, AAC ftw if you don't like Vorbis, anything's better than MP3 :-\
[10:10] <VividHazE> Arwen ins-dragonclaw : I need MP3 my bro wants them as MP3.  I selected lame and it installed but its still not working
[10:10] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, wha?
[10:10] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[10:10] <raffytaffy> i like FLAC
[10:10] <Arwen> VividHazE, slower but easier way - rip to FLAC, use lame from the command line to transcode
[10:10] <Arwen> problem solved
[10:10] <ins-dragonclaw> wait
[10:10] <ins-dragonclaw> rip to ogg
[10:11] <ins-dragonclaw> then there's a perl script to encode the lot
[10:11] <raffytaffy> use sound converter if u have to
[10:11] <ins-dragonclaw> but you need lame
[10:11] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, NO, that measn that you have horrific sounding files
[10:11] <VividHazE> ok...
[10:11] <ins-dragonclaw> Tell -that- to my Linkin Park
[10:11] <ins-dragonclaw> sounds as good as the original OGGs
[10:11] <Ashfire908> no password neede
[10:12] <ins-dragonclaw> Ashfire908: Ok
[10:12] <VividHazE> well i'll make the oggs here anyway any chance you could give me a link to a place to explain how to do all this converting
[10:12] <Arwen> well, to each his own, I NEVER transcode lossy files and think whoever wrote on the wiki that you should needs to be shot :-\
[10:12] <Ashfire908> the pass it was sending was literaly **********
[10:12] <VividHazE> i suck at this linux stuff but i hate windows
[10:12] <VividHazE> I'd rather half use linux than use windows
[10:12] <ins-dragonclaw> Arwen: I only did it because I needed it for an older MP3 player
[10:12] <Arwen> VividHazE, OS X? :-)
[10:12] <ins-dragonclaw> ok, now Ashfire908 - is your phone plugged in?
[10:12] <VividHazE> Haven't the money for OSX apple computer right now
[10:12] <VividHazE> :P
[10:12] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, ah well, I guess if you're using earphones, you won't notice the diff
[10:12] <AbortD> VividHazE: there is no reason to convert
[10:13] <AbortD> VividHazE: amarok supports mp3s
[10:13] <Ashfire908> i know the rest of the info
[10:13] <VividHazE> its for my bro to use on his windows computer and his iPod, does ogg work in that?
[10:13] <AbortD> VividHazE: there is no reason to convert
[10:13] <AbortD> VividHazE: amarok supports mp3s
[10:13] <ins-dragonclaw> I sure hope you're running Kubuntu, Ashfire908. I'm hazy on how to use wvdial
[10:13] <Arwen> VividHazE, iPod, no - Windows? yes
[10:13] <Ashfire908> lol
[10:13] <Ashfire908> haha
[10:13] <AbortD> why convert?
[10:13] <Arwen> hell, iPods don't do MP3, they lossy transcode them to AAC...
[10:13] <AbortD> to be l33t?
[10:14] <VividHazE> I can't get grip to make mp3's, what program makes mp3?
[10:14] <Ashfire908> i just stuck a powerful magnit to my lcd screen
[10:14] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[10:14] <LjL> there *is* a reason to convert, patents. of course, it's stupid to convert *from* MP3 *to* OGG. if you have MP3, keep it
[10:14] <ins-dragonclaw> well, that's it
[10:14] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, you'd have to be braindead to not know how to use wvdial.... "wvdial"
[10:14] <AbortD> im gonna go shoot my self you all have fun
[10:14] <ins-dragonclaw> the phone is dead
[10:14] <ins-dragonclaw> my work is done
[10:14] <LjL> !rockbox
[10:14] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[10:14] <AbortD> ins-dragonclaw: tell my mom and dad i love them
[10:14] <ins-dragonclaw> Arwen - last time i tried my DNS didn't work
[10:14] <ins-dragonclaw> so i use KPPP
[10:15] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, I don't have a dialup line, so I'm happy
[10:15] <ins-dragonclaw> also, wvdial doesn't have bandwidth monitors (that I can see)
[10:15] <heslar> how can i compile my sources from Pascal in Kubuntu 6.0.6?
[10:15] <ins-dragonclaw> AbortD: Sure.
[10:15] <LjL> !find pascal
[10:15] <AbortD> !amarok | VividHazE
[10:15] <ubotu> Found: gpc, gpc-2.1-3.4, gpc-2.95, libhdate-pascal
[10:15] <ubotu> VividHazE: Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[10:15] <LjL> heslar: gpc
[10:15] <firecrotch> raffytaffy: Okay, I used the setup.sh script that comes with it, but browsing to http://my.ip.add.ress:10000  gives me an error that an unexpected message was sent
[10:15] <heslar> thanks
[10:15] <firecrotch> raffytaffy: Oh wait, nevermind, I was using https
[10:15] <ins-dragonclaw> I think Ashfire908 died...
[10:15] <ins-dragonclaw> must have been that magnet
[10:16] <LjL> of fp-compiler heslar, pick your choice
[10:16] <LjL> s/of/or/
[10:16] <Ashfire908> no
[10:16] <ins-dragonclaw> heheh
[10:16] <Ashfire908> i'm here
[10:16] <raffytaffy> firecrotch : its not supposed to be your IP addy in there....just http://hostname:10000
[10:16] <ins-dragonclaw> quickly run "sudo dmesg | grep tty"
[10:16] <ins-dragonclaw> what do you get?
[10:16] <LjL> fp-compiler seems to aim at Turbo Pascal compatibility heslar, while i suppose gpc would generate quite optimized code, being a gcc frontend
[10:16] <ins-dragonclaw> try http://localhost:10000
[10:16] <frojnd> can someone helop me with lm sensors. It can't detect it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12044/
[10:16] <raffytaffy> yes or that^^
[10:17] <heslar> ok, i must go out, bye and thanks
[10:17] <ins-dragonclaw> lol^^
[10:17] <LjL> frojnd: try doing "sudo modprobe i2c-dev" first
[10:17] <firecrotch> Alright, I got it installed.  Thanks raffytaffy
[10:17] <raffytaffy> :)
[10:17] <raffytaffy> now give me ssh and your password muhahahaha
[10:17] <ins-dragonclaw> errr
[10:17] <ins-dragonclaw> or not
[10:17] <ins-dragonclaw> NO
[10:18] <ins-dragonclaw> :D
[10:18] <VividHazE> Does anyone know if the new version of ubuntu/kubuntu will automatically support nForce 6 LAN and sound?
[10:18] <Arwen> VividHazE, uh, automatically? only if the drivers arefree
[10:18] <frojnd> LjL: the same output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12044/
[10:18] <Arwen> why the hell do you have an nvidia motherboard?
[10:18] <VividHazE> because I suck
[10:18] <VividHazE> :)
[10:18] <Arwen> hehe
[10:18] <ins-dragonclaw> oO
[10:18] <LjL> frojnd: no further advice sorry
[10:18] <raffytaffy> nvidia makes mobos?
[10:19] <VividHazE> i read about recompiling the kernel but i'd need the restricted-modules and with no internet and no spare NIC card and no money i'm stuck
[10:19] <VividHazE> I had to install Fedora Core 6 on my desktop because it had the drivers in it automatically but its more annoying to set up everything because I don't have a clue about Fedora
[10:19] <VividHazE> I barely have a clue about kubuntu
[10:19] <eth01> right guys. how do i do updates on my box
[10:19] <ins-dragonclaw> lol....
[10:19] <Ayabara2> are there other good music players than amarok that comes with an equalizer?
[10:20] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[10:20] <raffytaffy> xmms
[10:20] <ins-dragonclaw> Kaffeine?
[10:20] <ins-dragonclaw> xmms is an engine
[10:20] <ins-dragonclaw> afaik
[10:20] <raffytaffy> xmms is a music player
[10:20] <VividHazE> I got Beryl working in Fedora though, that cube thing rocks
[10:20] <VividHazE> ^_^
[10:20] <Arwen> Ayabara2, there are others, but amarok has no equal
[10:20] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[10:20] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah
[10:20] <Arwen> VividHazE, lol, transparent cube is better
[10:20] <niles> hi
[10:20] <VividHazE> definitely
[10:21] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm on amarok 1.4.3 - i'm not looking back yet... :)
[10:21] <VividHazE> I might actually start using the different desktops properly now
[10:21] <raffytaffy> 1.4.5 is newest
[10:21] <Arwen> ins-dragonclaw, but... the latest is 1.4.5
[10:21] <KaoticEvil> Arwen: transparent cube with a rotating skydome is even better ;)
[10:21] <ins-dragonclaw> i know
[10:21] <niles> is it possible to mount a sub directory from one device (/home/me), to an other device?
[10:21] <VividHazE> I like the fire animation for unminimising
[10:21] <Ashfire908> my downlaod are almost done, will then switch over to ubuntu and mess with the phone
[10:21] <VividHazE> haha
[10:21] <Arwen> KaoticEvil, rotating skydome? you mean animated right?
[10:21] <ins-dragonclaw> I have the 1.4.5 .tar but I'm too lazy to build it...
[10:21] <bronze_0_1> Hi all - is there a list of meta packages anywhere ?
[10:21] <niles> rather than mounting / to the other device
[10:21] <Ayabara2> Arwen, I have a problem with amarok. it freezes my computer when I build my collection :-/
[10:21] <ins-dragonclaw> eina
[10:21] <Arwen> Ayabara2, lol, that's so sad.... I feel your pain
[10:21] <Ashfire908> ins-dragonclaw, how do i figure out the modem to use?
[10:22] <fdoving> niles: yes, have a look at --bind and --move (#mount in konqueror address field)
[10:22] <eth01> how do i run the adept updater?
[10:22] <Arwen> Ashfire908, the modem? as in a real dial-up modem?
[10:22] <ins-dragonclaw> GPRS modem
[10:22] <niles> fdoving:  thanx pal
[10:22] <Ashfire908> no
[10:22] <Ashfire908> the phone's com port
[10:22] <Arwen> huh... what kind of modem then?
[10:22] <Ayabara2> Arwen, it warms me to hear that :-) , what other player with eq were you thinking about?
[10:22] <fdoving> eth01: kmenu -> run command -> 'kdesu adept_updater'
[10:22] <Arwen> Ayabara2, dunno, there's xmms and... vlc I guess...
[10:22] <VividHazE> OMG Grip is actually starting to encode with MP3! WTF, I didn't do anything different this time O_o
[10:22] <eth01> k thnks
[10:23] <raffytaffy> xmms rocks
[10:23] <Ashfire908> [03:23:07 PM]   NOTICE  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[10:23] <Arwen> VividHazE, ....let MP3 die already...
[10:23] <Ashfire908> ins-dragonclaw, not in linux
[10:23] <VividHazE> so whats so great about Vorbis?
[10:23] <ins-dragonclaw> ohhh ... on windows?
[10:23] <raffytaffy> my samsung mp3 player supports OGG
[10:23] <VividHazE> let me try vorbis then how do i encode with that in Grip?
[10:23] <Arwen> VividHazE, it's way more efficient than MP3.... and it's FREE
[10:24] <AbortD> WHY CONVERT TO OGG
[10:24] <AbortD> WHY
[10:24] <ins-dragonclaw> NOW he tells me...
[10:24] <Arwen> and if you don't like Vorbis, use AAC....
[10:24] <AbortD> F U AND OGG
[10:24] <ins-dragonclaw> OGG is open source
[10:24] <Arwen> AbortD, because the source file is cdda?
[10:24] <LjL> AbortD: hey, calm down
[10:24] <VividHazE> does vorbis work on MP3 players and windows and stuff?
[10:24] <AbortD> i cant!
[10:24] <ins-dragonclaw> both video and audio en/decoding
[10:24] <AbortD> its stupid!
[10:24] <AbortD> :
[10:24] <Arwen> VividHazE, on Windows, yes
[10:24] <LjL> AbortD: it's NOT stupid to rip a CD to Ogg. it's just stupid to convert an MP3 to Ogg
[10:24] <AbortD> :|
[10:24] <AbortD> oh
[10:24] <Arwen> VividHazE, if it doesn't work on your audio player, then go get a real one
[10:24] <AbortD> thats understandable
[10:25] <waspius> exit
[10:25] <LjL> AbortD, that's what more sensible people use Ogg Vorbis for. some people *do* convert MP3 to Ogg, but that's usually just because they don't understand the implications of lossy to lossy conversion
[10:25] <VividHazE> Arwen: I hear that, I don't have one at all though, Do you recommend any MP3 player for when I do?
[10:25] <fdoving> it's OK to convert mp3s to ogg if you do it for political reasons. like you don't want to use mp3 because it's patented.
[10:25] <ins-dragonclaw> ohhkay. Ashfire908. To get the RAZR to work you're gonna have to install the modem
[10:25] <AbortD> :P
[10:25] <Arwen> VividHazE, not an "mp3 player", get a "portable audio device"
[10:25] <ins-dragonclaw> but if your phone didn't come with a firmware cd i'm afraid you're stuck
[10:25] <VividHazE> ahhhh
[10:25] <AbortD> and lossy lossy is not flossy flossy
[10:25] <VividHazE> ;)
[10:25] <Arwen> that said, iPods with !rockbox are very good
[10:26] <VividHazE> How about Creative Zens do they use vorbiss
[10:26] <LjL> fdoving: it's still kind of stupid, isn't it... after all, you *are* still breaking (or not breaking, depends) the MP3 patents by decoding it in the first place (to convert it to Ogg). and you lose quality. and if you have an MP3-only player, you'll have to convert *back* to MP3 to listen to it while in the subway :P
[10:26] <ins-dragonclaw> *processing*
[10:26] <Arwen> VividHazE, Zen? I think so actually, one sec
[10:26] <ins-dragonclaw> Try uploading an OGG to a Zen and see what happens. lol
[10:26] <eth01> or mc donalds
[10:26] <eth01> lol
[10:27] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[10:27] <fdoving> LjL: if you buy an mp3 only player you probably don't care about the politics behind it all and you probably don't care what format it is as long as it plays.
[10:28] <LjL> fdoving: that's true i suppose... so ditch the last part, but still
[10:28] <Arwen> VividHazE, damn, looks like the answer is no
[10:28] <LjL> anyway, anyone do what the heck they prefer
[10:28] <LjL> just as long as they *understand* what lossy->lossy conversion implies
[10:28] <ins-dragonclaw> I finally figured out why there are McDonalds restaurants all over the world - they're easy to start. All you need is a fax machine, a pair of scissors and a microwave. This also helps explain why their food tastes like cardboard...
[10:28] <VividHazE> So any good portable audio devices besides iPod that are good for this type of thing?  I don't like iPods
[10:29] <ins-dragonclaw> iRiver
[10:29] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[10:29] <raffytaffy> Samsung portable audio devices support OGG
[10:29] <LjL> VividHazE, but are we so sure iPod *really* cannot play Ogg?
[10:29] <LjL> !rockbox
[10:29] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[10:29] <Ashfire908> bbl
[10:29] <LjL> i haven't checked this out since i don't own an iPod, but wouldn't this support Vorbis?
[10:29] <Arwen> VividHazE, http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/VorbisHardware
[10:29] <Arwen> there's the list
[10:30] <VividHazE> thanks Arwen
[10:30] <fdoving> VividHazE: in addition to the url arwen pasted there is http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers
[10:30] <VividHazE> I'd love a look at all you guys bookmarks in your browsers I bet you've got thousands
[10:30] <VividHazE> lol
[10:30] <VividHazE> ^)^
[10:31] <VividHazE> ^_^
[10:31] <LjL> VividHazE: on iPod (and everything but Archoes), RockBox does support Vorbis - and a few other formats as well
[10:31] <fdoving> VividHazE: mine is google.com :)
[10:31] <LjL> so the site says
[10:31] <Arwen> man, noscript is annoying, but it's needed to make tor useful...
[10:31] <Arwen> is there a table of devies supporting flac?
[10:32] <away-dragonclaw> !define devies
[10:32] <fdoving> Arwen: http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about define devies - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <away-dragonclaw> sorry can't help
[10:32] <LjL> well rockbox supports flac, so iPod, iRiver and iAudio again, for starters :)
[10:32] <Arwen> fdoving, thanks
[10:35] <nick_> Need help, did i come to the right place?
[10:35] <fdoving> nick_: let's hope so. ask your question and we'll see.
[10:35] <ins-dragonclaw> no we can't help
[10:35] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[10:36] <nick_> ok...well i have sound truoubles in the latest kubuntu release. I am good at computers, but a total newb to linux
[10:36] <ins-dragonclaw> mistimed there...
[10:36] <ins-dragonclaw> try unmuting
[10:36] <ins-dragonclaw> Konsole > Kmix > unmute
[10:36] <nick_> i basically have no sound, kubuntu is not detecting my sound card
[10:36] <ins-dragonclaw> ohh
[10:36] <ins-dragonclaw> now THAT's new
[10:36] <nick_> and the hole console shell thing is confusing me big time
[10:36] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[10:36] <nick_> i keep getting "denied" and such
[10:36] <ins-dragonclaw> what sound card do you have?
[10:37] <ins-dragonclaw> oh - prefix all your commands with " sudo "
[10:37] <nick_> basic soundblaster 16
[10:37] <ins-dragonclaw> or " kdesu " if it's a gui program that you're trying to run
[10:37] <ins-dragonclaw> kubuntu should have picked it up when you installed. If not, there's not much I can to help
[10:37] <sstchur> can anyone recommend a reasonably cheap (< $100) video card that can handle Beryl?
[10:37] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm less than 1 week old in linux...
[10:38] <VividHazE> is Ogg Vorbis better sound than mp3, or are you guys just against mp3 because its patented?
[10:38] <ins-dragonclaw> better
[10:38] <ins-dragonclaw> much much much better
[10:38] <ins-dragonclaw> emphasis on 'much'
[10:38] <nick_> This is the command line Im trying to folllow:
[10:38] <VividHazE> sstchur I just recently got a Geforce FX 5200 running 1600x1200 for 70 and its runs beautifully, if that helps
[10:38] <nick_> In a shell type these commands:
[10:38] <nick_>  Make a directory to store the alsa source code in.
[10:38] <fdoving> VividHazE: both better and i'm against mp3 because its patented.
[10:38] <nick_>         cd /usr/src
[10:38] <nick_>         mkdir alsa
[10:39] <nick_>         cd alsa
[10:39] <nick_>         cp /downloads/alsa-* .
[10:39] <nick_>  Now unzip and install the alsa-driver package
[10:39] <nick_>         bunzip2 alsa-driver-xxx
[10:39] <nick_>         tar -xf alsa-driver-xxx
[10:39] <nick_>         cd alsa-driver-xxx
[10:39] <nick_>         ./configure --with-cards=sb16 --with-sequencer=yes;make;make install
[10:39] <ins-dragonclaw> stop
[10:39] <ins-dragonclaw> dont' flood the channel
[10:39] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[10:39] <shank> Hello all, does anyone know how to connect to this IRC channel? Thanks irc://thelinuxlink.net/techshow
[10:39] <nick_> wow...i didnt know it went in individual posts lol
[10:39] <VividHazE> use the pastebin
[10:39] <ninHero> nick better use pastebin
[10:39] <swaldick> is there anyone here that could help me with a fstab issues?
[10:39] <ins-dragonclaw> everything under "Now unzip..." should be prefixed with sudo
[10:39] <fdoving> !sound | nick_
[10:39] <nick_> looked smaller in the browser
[10:39] <ubotu> nick_: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:39] <aaron_> still not working
[10:40] <eth01> we al make mistakes dont worry
[10:40] <ins-dragonclaw> yep
[10:40] <aaron_> is there a driver setting that I am not using right for xwindows
[10:40] <swaldick> is there anyone here that could help me with a fstab issues?
[10:41] <ins-dragonclaw> man fstab
[10:41] <klerfayt_> swaldick: what kind of issues are you having?
[10:41] <ins-dragonclaw> shank - did you get into that IRC channel yet?
[10:42] <fdoving> swaldick: yes.
[10:42] <swaldick> i have a reiserfs format with 6.06 and it says operation not supported?
[10:42] <sstchur> VividHazE: yes that helps
[10:42] <shank> No I didn't ... I've not used IRC in a LONG time and don't remember how to set it up
[10:42] <ins-dragonclaw> ok
[10:42] <ins-dragonclaw> what client are you using?
[10:42] <shank> Konversation
[10:42] <swaldick> client?
[10:42] <swaldick> ubuntu v6.06
[10:42] <sstchur> VividHazE: I have an integrated video card, Intel i810, and it does run Beryl, but the perf in general in KDE seems less than steller (even w/o beryl running)
[10:42] <ins-dragonclaw> press F7
[10:42] <ins-dragonclaw> server is irc.thelinuxlink.net
[10:43] <ins-dragonclaw> when it's connected, type /join #techshow
[10:43] <shank> I'm not sure... I just know the url
[10:43] <VividHazE> yea you'd need a good graphics card in expansion port
[10:43] <klerfayt_> swaldick: you are having what?
[10:43] <nick_> Whats confusing me the most is where to go...i get messages like "Add following line to the /etc/modules file"....where do i got to do that? i know its the easiest thing but im a total linux newb
[10:43] <shank> Oh OK let me put in the server
[10:43] <VividHazE> i'm not even using PCI-E 16x slot for this graphics card only the PCI-E 1x and its still cool
[10:43] <fdoving> ins-dragonclaw: irc.thelinuxlink.net doesn't resolve correctly here.
[10:43] <ins-dragonclaw> hmm ok
[10:43] <VividHazE> when i open loads and loads of programs it slows down a bit but nothing i can't put up with
[10:44] <nick_> funny thing is, it has an example that uses my exact card...read here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSetupSoundCards
[10:44] <swaldick> ins-dragonclaw what port?
[10:44] <fdoving> nick_: kmenu -> run command -> write 'kdesu kate' - hit run. that will open a text editor as the admin user. then file -> open find /etc/modules and edit it to your liking.
[10:45] <ins-dragonclaw> shank - 6667. But the server doesn't resolve... where did you get that URL ?
[10:45] <swaldick> what url man?
[10:45] <slow-motion> n8
[10:45] <shank> from their website.. tllts.org
[10:45] <fdoving> ins-dragonclaw: .com works.
[10:46] <ins-dragonclaw> o...kay
[10:46] <fdoving> .. resolvs that is.
[10:46] <fdoving> can't connect to it.
[10:46] <ins-dragonclaw> you'll find that ins-dragonclaw.com also works :)
[10:46] <fdoving> or it's just dead slow.
[10:46] <ins-dragonclaw> but i don't have an ircd installed...
[10:46] <ins-dragonclaw> .com works. but it's slow.....
[10:46] <joserafael> hello
[10:47] <jarn> Does rm -r follow symbolic links?
[10:47] <fdoving> no, it deletes the link only.
[10:47] <ins-dragonclaw> goodnight
[10:47] <fdoving> !away | f0ntsix
[10:47] <ubotu> f0ntsix: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[10:48] <ins-dragonclaw> okay... the server is -DEAD- slow
[10:48] <swaldick> where can we talk
[10:48] <ins-dragonclaw> 66.45.244.194 is the IP
[10:48] <swaldick> ok
[10:48] <ins-dragonclaw> someone else try connecting?
[10:48] <nick_> 2. Add following line to the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa_local and /etc/modutils/alsa_local files.
[10:48] <nick_> options snd-sb16 isapnp=0 port=0x220 irq=5 dma8=1 dma16=5 mpu_port=0x330
[10:48] <pollyo> Anyone have information on getting a lexmark x6170 all in one printer working on linux?
[10:48] <fdoving> pollyo: checkout linuxprinting.org
[10:48] <nick_> ^^thats what i need to do
[10:49] <pollyo> fdoving: Ok. Thanks.
[10:49] <ins-dragonclaw> this is what rocks about linux tech support
[10:49] <ins-dragonclaw> there's help -everywhere-
[10:49] <ins-dragonclaw> for -EVERYthing-
[10:49] <swaldick> haha
[10:49] <ninHero> as tv
[10:50] <ninHero> everyone, everywhere
[10:50] <ins-dragonclaw> all the time
[10:50] <fdoving> nick_: then do what i explained earlier. open kate (the text editor) with kmenu -> run command -> 'kdesu kate', then write the info into the editor and save it as /etc/modprobe.d/alsa_local and /etc/modutils/alsa_local files.
[10:50] <ninHero> :-)
[10:50] <swaldick> can we create a channel on this server
[10:50] <nick_> ill try...tx
[10:50] <ins-dragonclaw> 'Here at Linux, we believe in a global network of user support. That's why you find at least one geek per country/nationality/language.'
[10:50] <ins-dragonclaw> swaldick: yes you can
[10:51] <fdoving> swaldick: feel free, or use one of the existing ones. checkout the faq and guidelines at freenode.net
[10:51] <ins-dragonclaw> keep it clean green and warez-free, and don't invite people that terrorize others users
[10:51] <swaldick> ins-dragonclaw jion swaldick
[10:51] <ins-dragonclaw> that's a pretty good policy right there
[10:52] <nick_> just type that info into the main window, then save?
[10:52] <fdoving> nick_: yes, save as the two files.
[10:52] <swaldick> ins-dragonclaw: i need to reg
[10:53] <shank> DragonClaw, thanks for your help....I thought I was doing something wrong. I'll email them to see what's up with the channel
[10:53] <ins-dragonclaw> you're welcome, shank :)
[10:53] <ins-dragonclaw> ./ns register <password>
[10:53] <ins-dragonclaw> and don't forget your password! lol
[10:53] <Arwen> ./
[10:53] <Arwen> ?
[10:53] <ins-dragonclaw> oh
[10:53] <ins-dragonclaw> if i type /ns register password it will try registering m
[10:53] <ins-dragonclaw> me*
[10:53] <Arwen> ah
[10:54] <ins-dragonclaw> so the dot prevents the command from executing
[10:54] <nick_> i need to add snd-sb16 to the /etc/modules file to boot the driver at start up
[10:54] <nick_> something is still getting e confused
[10:54] <FragUPlenty> guys
[10:54] <FragUPlenty> I switched to a different vid driver
[10:54] <FragUPlenty> and the display got all messed up
[10:55] <FragUPlenty> how do I go back to the default settings
[10:55] <Alonea> xMorgawr: nah, they dont mind computers, though they do register our IP under our student id numbers.
[10:55] <FragUPlenty> my comp is in recovery mode right now
[10:56] <FragUPlenty> I cant find anything on the wiki
[10:56] <FragUPlenty> please I dont want to have to reformat
[10:56] <ins-dragonclaw> reformat
[10:56] <ins-dragonclaw> :D
[10:56] <FragUPlenty> cmon
[10:56] <FragUPlenty> seriously
[10:56] <ins-dragonclaw> i don;t know
[10:56] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: you got black screen? ATI?
[10:56] <FragUPlenty> I set the vid driver to vesa
[10:56] <ins-dragonclaw> but when SuSE screwed up on display drivers, reinstall was my only option
[10:56] <FragUPlenty> and it is all garbled
[10:57] <FragUPlenty> by accident
[10:57] <ins-dragonclaw> I know jack about video drivers under linux
[10:57] <FragUPlenty> Alonea: what do I do to set everythig back to the default
[10:57] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: only thing I know to do is set the xorg.conf back to the original driver. Like the area where you set it to whatever (i had to set to flgrx) set it back to original (in my case, ati)
[10:58] <FragUPlenty> ok what command does that
[10:58] <FragUPlenty> what do I have to type to get my computer working again
[10:59] <fdoving> !xconfig
[10:59] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[10:59] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: ok, sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:59] <Alonea> could also try that. i always did manually.
[11:00] <FragUPlenty> the computer is sitting by me in recovery mode I am on my mac right now
[11:00] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: really, I only know about Ati, not..vesa you said?
[11:00] <FragUPlenty> it is the ATI vesa driver
[11:00] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: o..k...haven't heard vesa ever spoken. now, mesa I know.
[11:01] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: If you have an ati card, next time use ENVY to get the drivers on.
[11:01] <FragUPlenty> ok so now what do I do
[11:01] <FragUPlenty> I got like this screen with like blue crap on it
[11:02] <FragUPlenty> and at the bottom it says new directory with the path I typed in
[11:02] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: ok, did you do what I said or the bot?
[11:02] <FragUPlenty> what you said
[11:03] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: ok, everything is case sensitive. Use tab completion. You are in a blank file. So, shift, colon, q, enter
[11:03] <FragUPlenty> now what do i type I need my comp working
[11:03] <ins-dragonclaw> VIM?
[11:03] <FragUPlenty> its blank
[11:03] <ins-dragonclaw> :/
[11:04] <Alonea> now, go back, do sudo /etc/X11/Xorg.conf, but use the tab button as you type out the place to make sure you get all the case right
[11:04] <Alonea> (thats sudo vim then place)
[11:04] <Alonea> ins-dragonclaw: its the only one I can stand in cmd.
[11:04] <ins-dragonclaw> heh
[11:04] <ins-dragonclaw> I have a confession to make.
[11:04] <FragUPlenty> wait how do I exit out of this crap with the blue
[11:04] <FragUPlenty> how do I exit out of this
[11:04] <Alonea> ins-dragonclaw: also only one I know really well.
[11:04] <ins-dragonclaw> I love Kate...
[11:05] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: I told you, shift colon, then q. press enter. it will look like on bottom ":q"
[11:05] <Admiral_Chicago> afternoon everyone
[11:05] <Alonea> Admiral_Chicago: admiral! didn't know you were allowed to speak...
[11:06] <FragUPlenty> it says not an editor command
[11:06] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[11:06] <ins-dragonclaw> just q then
[11:07] <Alonea> ins-dragonclaw: have noo idea what he is doing. you get the colon on the bottom and type in your command. wq, to write then quite, q to quite without writing
[11:07] <Alonea> *quit
[11:07] <ins-dragonclaw> wait
[11:07] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there Alonea
[11:07] <ins-dragonclaw> try Ctrl+Z
[11:07] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: also try pressing ESC then do the shift colon if it doesnt come up on very bottom
[11:08] <FragUPlenty> ill just restart
[11:08] <FragUPlenty> it only takes 3 seconds to boot
[11:08] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: okies, just trying to teach you how to use program. its really simple..
[11:08] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: but its ok if you are confused at first.
[11:09] <FragUPlenty> yea
[11:09] <FragUPlenty> do you have IM so that way you can help me over that
[11:09] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: I was too. did you ever see what you were typing in show up at the very bottom?
[11:09] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: I got aim and msn
[11:09] <FragUPlenty> yea it showed
[11:09] <FragUPlenty> whats your aim
[11:09] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: rdhddmazoku
[11:10] <FragUPlenty> there you oughta get a messaage
[11:10] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: dunno. I am using GAIM and I never really figured out aim stuff so much.
[11:11] <Jestre^> In K feisty, with ubuntu-restricted installed, should amarok play mp3 streams?
[11:11] <FragUPlenty> ive got adium throw me your MSN then
[11:11] <n6rej> anyone know what the diff between identities and accounts are in thunderbird?
[11:11] <PhinnFort> !info moo
[11:11] <ubotu> Package moo does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[11:11] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: ok, and I could just add you as my buddy
[11:11] <FragUPlenty> yea
[11:12] <Alonea> FragUPlenty: my msn is rdhddmazoku@gmail.com  . There is also PM on IRC if you are registered
[11:12] <Jestre^> n6rej: Accounts are typically actual incoming email accounts (different providers)
[11:12] <Jestre^> identities let you change addresses per account, e.g. send mail as admin@ or postmaster@ or whatever@
[11:13] <okias> wow, tadz nejak extreme pribzlo useru ./D
[11:13] <okias> * :-D
[11:14] <okias> nevite nekdo nejaky irc chat ohledne programovaciho jazyku C?
[11:14] <fdoving> !cz
[11:14] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[11:14] <n6rej> Jestre^: interesting, because I've been using accounts to do that for years, and haven't changed the identities.  Just used one.
[11:15] <Jestre^> Can actually do it either way, especially if you only use one SMTP server
[11:15] <Jestre^> But it is often easier to use identities, e.g. n6rej@arrl.net and webmaster@arrl.net might be two identities on the same account
[11:16] <n6rej> Jestre^: I've got about 6 domains and I don't know how many email address's.  I use mulitiples smtp servers also.  So each "account" should be a server?
[11:16] <fdoving> i use one imap account for all the mail, and one smtp per identity.
[11:17] <voorhees86> AmyRose
[11:17] <Jestre^> Typically I use one account for each real email address, and identities for each alias on the address
[11:17] <fdoving> i consider all addresses aliases. :)
[11:18] <n6rej> Jestre^: do you still only have one "screen" per se or do you need to manually change?
[11:18] <[Goce] > so what do I have to do to get win32 apps/games to have sound? Sound works under normal opperations just not under wine.
[11:18] <Jestre^> One screen
[11:18] <Jestre^> Different accounts down the left side
[11:18] <fdoving> n6rej: you select the sending identity inside the composer usually.
[11:18] <n6rej> Jestre^: ok, cause I'm not flipping through like you have to in outlook
[11:18] <Jestre^> Then when I send mail, each identity shows up in the compose screen
[11:18] <Jestre^> (a dropdown)
[11:18] <n6rej> fdoving: ok, thats cool
[11:18] <Jestre^> Yeah, what he said
[11:18] <n6rej> Jestre^: yeah, I'm used to that.
[11:20] <n6rej> Jestre^: just to make sure I have this right, n6rej.com treeturner.com papabearspens.com etc, are "accounts" then I set up identities for each of those accounts?
[11:21] <Jestre^> If each goes to a different machine/host, then yes... if you get mail for all of them through the same imap config, then they are identities
[11:21] <pollyo> Uggg my uncles printer is a paperweight.
[11:21] <n6rej> Jestre^: no, they are all seperate hosts
[11:22] <Jestre^> Then I'd say they are configured as accounts
[11:22] <n6rej> pollyo: can't be as bad as mine... laserjet 5p and I've got a III also
[11:22] <n6rej> Jestre^: k, they
[11:22] <n6rej> ty even
[11:23] <shinda> I forgot how to change my taskbar setting so that only windows on the current desktop show up, been looking through my settings just can't find it, anyone?
[11:23] <Jestre^> QSL :)
[11:23] <n6rej> Jestre^: cc QSL OM
[11:23] <sstchur> how does one go about upgrading from edgy to feisty?
[11:24] <n6rej> sstchur change your "edgy" to "feistY" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:24] <sstchur> n6rej: all of them? main, restricted, universe, multiverse?
[11:24] <n6rej> sstchur then sudo apt-get update | apt-get upgrade | apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:24] <n6rej> sstchur thats my understanding.
[11:24] <pollyo> n6rej: I think they have a driver for your printer under linux though.
[11:25] <n6rej> pollyo: yep.
[11:25] <n6rej> pollyo: what printer you trying to hook up?
[11:25] <pollyo> n6rej: My uncle has a Lexmark X6170.
[11:25] <n6rej> pollyo: lexmarks are junk!
[11:25] <pollyo> n6rej: This is going to be the only deal breaker for him to give linux a go.
[11:26] <n6rej> pollyo: go to cups website and see if they have it listed or have a driver
[11:26] <pollyo> n6rej: They looked at the pruchas price instead of the price of the printers lifetime (in my opinion)
[11:26] <n6rej> pollyo: it may use a canon engine
[11:26] <n6rej> pollyo: yep, they don't look at how much they are paying for ink for those suckers!!! the ink costs more then the printer!
[11:26] <pollyo> n6rej: I'll give it a go.  I just checked linuxprinting.
[11:27] <fdoving> shinda: kmenu -> run command -> 'kcmshell kcmtaskbar' - you'll find it.
[11:27] <n6rej> pollyo: you may be able to use a generic inkjet setting.  Also check "gutenprint"
[11:28] <fdoving> sstchur: i suggest testing the edgy->feisty upgrade tool, more info at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[11:28] <pollyo> n6rej: Thank you for the suggestions.  Nothing found in the Printer driver section on cups.
[11:30] <sstchur> fdoving: i briefly tried that yesterday but didn't get very far
[11:30] <fdoving> sstchur: ok. did you report a bug about your problem?
[11:31] <fdoving> people have accidentally upgraded to feisty, by mistake, so it should be pretty easy.
[11:31] <AmyRose> lol
[11:31] <pollyo> n6rej: Would they report a generic printer driver working for the x6170?
[11:31] <n6rej> pollyo: I found it
[11:31] <sstchur> fdoving: no, b/c I suspect the problem is me!
[11:32] <n6rej> pollyo: tis supported
[11:32] <pollyo> n6rej:  What? Where?
[11:32] <pollyo> n6rej: Where?  Thank you!
[11:32] <n6rej> pollyo: you'll never ever guess
[11:32] <sstchur> fdoving: Its says to go into adept and enable edgy-proposed.  I don't see an edgy-proposed though
[11:32] <pollyo> n6rej: My head is spinning from looking around.
[11:32] <n6rej> pollyo: http://www.lexmark.com/lexmark/sequentialem/home/0,6959,204816596_659668505_0_en,00.html
[11:32] <n6rej> heheehehe
[11:33] <n6rej> pollyo: they discuss the 7170 which is the big brother so you shouldn't have any problems at all
[11:33] <pollyo> n6reg: That is for the 7170.  You think I should give it a try then.
[11:34] <n6rej> pollyo: if you actually read really carefully its about ALL their printers.  They've supported linux since 2000, go figure.
[11:34] <n6rej> pollyo: they're doing it the right way too, using linux native apps to handle everything, sane for scanning, etc.
[11:35] <pollyo> n6rej: Yes thought a driver development kit though.  It is a kit without drivers.
[11:35] <n6rej> yes, but that means its doable, you may have to compile but thats easy... ./configure etc.
[11:36] <fdoving> sstchur: it needs to be added. open adept manager -> give your password for admin privileges -> adept menu -> manage repositories -> add the info from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade namely "deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed main"
[11:36] <n6rej> pollyo: includes a sample driver :D
[11:36] <pollyo> n6rej: If I were a computer programmer that sample might help.
[11:37] <pollyo> n6rej: I'll look at it a bit.  Thank you.
[11:37] <sstchur> fdoving: that's where I got confused.  I was going to do that, but why "edgy-proposed" and now "feisty" -- what's the difference?
[11:38] <n6rej> pollyo: there is also a macOSX driver meaning it will work with freebsd, SO.....
[11:38] <fdoving> sstchur: edgy-proposed is just a section you need to add to get the dist-upgrade tool for edgy.
[11:38] <n6rej> pollyo: all the pieces are there you just gotta hold your tongue right LOL
[11:38] <fdoving> sstchur: when you've installed it, it will guide you through the upgrade.
[11:38] <voorhees86> any body can help me
[11:39] <pollyo> n6rej: Can a freebsd driver work on Kubuntu?
[11:39] <n6rej> voorhees86: then your in luck cause there's 349 BODYS in here
[11:39] <yaccin_> what does "There are differences between boot sector and its backup." mean?
[11:39] <sstchur> fdoving: ah ok
[11:39] <n6rej> pollyo: dunno, point I'm trying to make to you don't get scared.  I bet if you carefully think this through, perhaps with a call to lexmark, you'll get it going.
[11:40] <voorhees86> i install de driver nvidia, the system works fine, i reboot the system, they are just on text mode, and not enter on grafic mode, i need to reinstall the driver , and restart de kdm, to work, than a reboot and aall over again
[11:40] <n6rej> yaccin every boot sector has a hidden twin incase something goes wrong.
[11:40] <pollyo> n6rej: I'll add giving them a call to the list.  It wouldn't hurt.
[11:40] <Mirrakor> an evil twin :>
[11:41] <n6rej> voorhees86: your missing a step.  I seem to recall you have to run a program to make it stick.
[11:41] <voorhees86> sorry i dont understand
[11:42] <n6rej> voorhees86: sprechen zie Deustche?
[11:42] <voorhees86> im brasilian , my english is very bad
[11:42] <voorhees86> but a try my best
[11:42] <yaccin_> n6rej: so how do i fix this?
[11:42] <n6rej> !es | voorhees86
[11:42] <yaccin_> with sudo grub-install /dev/hda ?
[11:42] <ubotu> voorhees86: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:42] <ins-dragonclaw> I can't believe this...
[11:42] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm installing Office 2000 on linux :)
[11:43] <fdoving> !br | voorhees86
[11:43] <ubotu> voorhees86: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[11:43] <ins-dragonclaw> hey!
[11:43] <ins-dragonclaw> I need a decent HTML editor
[11:43] <voorhees86> but i understand english
[11:43] <yaccin_> ins-dragonclaw: quanta
[11:43] <n6rej> voorhees86: ok, just trying to make it easier for you
[11:43] <ins-dragonclaw> bluefish is a gnome app, nvu doesn't support kubuntu and OOo's Writer doesn't work the way i want
[11:43] <voorhees86> ok
[11:43] <voorhees86> i undestand
[11:43] <ins-dragonclaw> and i know FrontPage insideout
[11:43] <yaccin_> ins-dragonclaw: quanta!
[11:43] <ins-dragonclaw> which is all i'm installing
[11:43] <n6rej> only porteguese I remember is "vipa coma" LOL
[11:44] <ins-dragonclaw> I dont have time to learn1
[11:44] <ins-dragonclaw> !
[11:44] <yaccin_> use quanta !
[11:44] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: FP is gone!  is a dead product
[11:44] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[11:44] <ins-dragonclaw> not in the least
[11:44] <n6rej> voorhees86: have you looked at nvidias directions?
[11:44] <ins-dragonclaw> it's the editor that I spent over 4 years using
[11:44] <yaccin_> frontpage sucks
[11:44] <yaccin_> :P
[11:44] <yaccin_> omg
[11:44] <yaccin_> how could you?
[11:44] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: yes, it is no longer manuafactured as of 01/01/07
[11:44] <ins-dragonclaw> and I can use it better than some people can use Dreamweaver
[11:44] <yaccin_> o.O
[11:45] <yaccin_> omg dreamweaver
[11:45] <velle> I have a small prob. I have just made a clean install of kubuntu. Both apt-get and aptitude act strange, no matter if I do an update or try to install a package, nothing happens. Apt just finished instantly writing that nothing was installed.
[11:45] <yaccin_> *hides*
[11:45] <ins-dragonclaw> so I'll stick to what i know
[11:45] <ins-dragonclaw> Hey - i never said I was anti-microsoft, did i?
[11:45] <ins-dragonclaw> I use them for what they do well
[11:45] <ins-dragonclaw> for me, that's HTML editing
[11:45] <voorhees86> n6rej you can help me
[11:45] <yaccin_> they DONT do it well
[11:45] <yaccin_> ...
[11:45] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: just realise your using something that is INHERENTLY designed to have major security holes
[11:45] <n6rej> voorhees86: sorry, let me try.. wait one please
[11:45] <ins-dragonclaw> the HTML it generates is all I need
[11:46] <ins-dragonclaw> i upload with manual FTP
[11:46] <yaccin_> its shitty html
[11:46] <ins-dragonclaw> not really
[11:46] <ins-dragonclaw> since I code almost 3/4 of it by hand
[11:46] <yaccin_> really
[11:46] <Freeza^> doesnt ecplise have an html addin?
[11:46] <Freeza^> eclipse
[11:46] <n6rej> voorhees86: what video card please?
[11:46] <yaccin_> thats 1/4 too less
[11:46] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[11:46] <n6rej> lol
[11:47] <jarn> Is there a place to get the sources.list that would come with a fresh installation of Edgy?
[11:47] <n6rej> !easysource | jarn
[11:47] <ubotu> jarn: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:47] <ins-dragonclaw> This song rocks...
[11:47] <eilker> !ethereal
[11:47] <ubotu> ethereal: dummy upgrade package for ethereal -> wireshark. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.3a-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 20 kB, installed size 60 kB
[11:47] <eilker> !wireshark
[11:47] <ubotu> wireshark: network traffic analyzer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.3a-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 545 kB, installed size 1528 kB
[11:47] <ins-dragonclaw> * n6rej slaps ins-dragonclaw with his own claw! <-- rofl
[11:48] <voorhees86> geforce go 6150
[11:48] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: You know where I get the biggest kick out of this?
[11:48] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: what?
[11:48] <ins-dragonclaw> When I see a Windows app start .. thinking it's actually on Windows
[11:48] <n6rej> voorhees86: k
[11:48] <soulrider> n6rej: you managed to sort out your problem ?
[11:48] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: lol only windows app I REALLY need is photoshop
[11:48] <ins-dragonclaw> :O
[11:49] <ins-dragonclaw> Traitor!
[11:49] <ins-dragonclaw> use Gimp!
[11:49] <n6rej> soulrider: sorta, I'll explain in a second... I'm helping voorhees86
[11:49] <ins-dragonclaw> see how it feels?
[11:49] <Freeza^> ins-: what u using to run office? crossover?
[11:49] <ins-dragonclaw> now i use FP for the same reason people freak out over quanta
[11:49] <ins-dragonclaw> I have openoffice but i hate it
[11:49] <n6rej> voorhees86: 32bit or 64bit os?
[11:50] <voorhees86> 32
[11:50] <n6rej> If I can do everything with GIMP as easily as I do with PS I will switch, but thats a major IF
[11:50] <n6rej> voorhees86: k
[11:51] <n6rej> voorhees86: please go to this page and read carefully, they do a good job of working with linux folks... http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html
[11:51] <n6rej> soulrider: your not going to believe this nightmare.
[11:51] <soulrider> =/
[11:51] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: If I can do everything with OOo as easily as I do with FP I will switch, but thats a major IF
[11:51] <voorhees86> i just do this
[11:52] <voorhees86> i donwload and install the driver
[11:52] <n6rej> soulrider: wound up having to reinstall windows!
[11:52] <n6rej> voorhees86: be sure you read the "readme's and instructions!"
[11:52] <voorhees86> they are ok, i reboot the system, and return to make problem
[11:52] <carda> e
[11:52] <soulrider> n6rej: wtf, you formated he partition accidentaly or something?
[11:52] <n6rej> soulrider: mbr got hosed!!!
[11:52] <ins-dragonclaw> major oops
[11:53] <Ryiel> !perl
[11:53] <ubotu> perl: Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language. In component main, is important. Version 5.8.8-6 (edgy), package size 3287 kB, installed size 11436 kB
[11:53] <soulrider> n6rej: and wasnt that fixable?
[11:53] <n6rej> soulrider: it was so screwy you can't imagine!  so I do that, then of course have to reinstall K, ( tried 4x to fix it with rescue, repair, chkdsk, everything )
[11:53] <soulrider> O.O
[11:53] <n6rej> soulrider: get k reinstalled, and winblows won't boot!
[11:53] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: nah
[11:53] <ins-dragonclaw> you were fine
[11:54] <ins-dragonclaw> Frantic Insane Neurotic Emotional
[11:54] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[11:54] <n6rej> soulrider: I'm like WTHELL so ( ins-dragonclaw yep! ) re-re-reinstall windblows, reinstall K, re-re-re-reinstall updates, reboot K can't find initramfs! CRASH!!!!
[11:55] <n6rej> I'm like WTH is going on!!!
[11:55] <ins-dragonclaw> ...lol...
[11:55] <soulrider> lol n6rej
[11:55] <n6rej> so I RERERERERE install K ( windblows is ok so far ) and RERERERERE update, and have been scared crudeless to reboot ever since!
[11:55] <soulrider> hahaha
[11:56] <n6rej> on the upside I'm getting to be an expert with the live cd version!  Its solid :P
[11:56] <soulrider> lol
[11:56] <n6rej> soulrider: OH I forgot the worst part, when I originally partitioed K?  I PARTED OVER MY BACKUP!!!!!!
[11:57] <soulrider> crap, i cut my middle left finger, and typing is hell now!
[11:57] <soulrider> haha
[11:57] <n6rej> so 10 yrs of work down the drain!
[11:57] <n6rej> very very very few backups if any
[11:57] <ins-dragonclaw> hindsight
[11:57] <ins-dragonclaw> hurts, does it not?
[11:57] <ins-dragonclaw> same here
[11:58] <ins-dragonclaw> i lost everything when i tried making my machine a dual-boot
[11:58] <ins-dragonclaw> i decided i didn't want ubuntu
[11:58] <ins-dragonclaw> but i couldn't delete it properly
[11:58] <ins-dragonclaw> then GRUB stuck around
[11:58] <ins-dragonclaw> windows wouldn't load
[11:58] <n6rej> 'sk, I'm going to get samba working and then everything will be offdrived, and asap there WILL be a raid array on this computer.
[11:58] <ins-dragonclaw> bye bye 45GB data
[11:58] <soulrider> that really sucks n6rej, what is it that you do ?
[11:59] <n6rej> soulrider: I'm a woodturner now, but I'm doing some consulting too, and had all my customers imagery on my drive.
[11:59] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: getting hit that hard changes everything. I have backup cds lying everywhere now...lol
[11:59] <n6rej> luckily he's a backaholic.
[11:59] <syke> hi!
[11:59] <n6rej> did anyone hear anything?  I thought I heard "Hi! but it was a syke so couldn't be true
[12:00] <syke> I noticed that Feisty doesn't have the latest vesion of valgrind, which would be useful when reporting bugs. Where do I file a request for valgrind (or other packages) to be updated?
[12:00] <syke> n6: :)
[12:00] <soulrider> n6rej: woodturner ?
[12:00] <n6rej> soulrider: http://www.papabearspens.com
[12:00] <n6rej> at least all that stuff is safe as its on BIGGGGGG iron and is backed up nightly
[12:00] <sstchur> Is it possible to load the mouse cursors that open suse uses into kubuntu?  I imagine it is, but where to get them?
[12:01] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: I lost all My .psd's!
[12:01] <ins-dragonclaw> ok, one thing i love about KMail - it checks all 5 my accounts in parelled...
[12:01] <ins-dragonclaw> parallel*
[12:01] <ins-dragonclaw> ouch, n6rej
[12:01] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: I'm trying something new, TB and Lightening
[12:01] <soulrider> n6rej: does that have anything to do with CNC ? or something like thst
[12:01] <nick_> simple question, can kubuntu open .jpg files?
[12:02] <soulrider> that*
[12:02] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: yeah, company artwork that I hand created and crud... stuff i could never replicate cause I don't know how I did it the first time it just happened.
[12:02] <soulrider> nick_: of course!
[12:02] <ins-dragonclaw> nick_:  yes
[12:02] <nick_> lol
[12:02] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:02] <ins-dragonclaw> what a question
[12:02] <n6rej> nick_: no but there are many many programs that can.
[12:02] <nick_> i thaught it would be a simpe one
[12:02] <ins-dragonclaw> Konqueror does it all...
[12:02] <nick_> well, heres the problem
[12:02] <syke> ?
[12:02] <ins-dragonclaw> then you also have Gwenview
[12:02] <nick_> i have a cd that i burned full of .jpg images off my digi cam
[12:02] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: why you lye to the poor person... K can't!  Konq and many more can :P
[12:02] <ins-dragonclaw> ins-dragonclaw> Konqueror does it all
[12:02] <nick_> i pop it into my drive, and when i click CDrom0 in konqerer in says theres nothing there
[12:03] <soulrider> dont confuse him guys, please
[12:03] <ins-dragonclaw> nick_: try going to /media/cdrom
[12:03] <n6rej> nick_: it may be having a problem reading the format.
[12:03] <ins-dragonclaw> remove the 0
[12:03] <nick_> burned in winXP
[12:03] <ins-dragonclaw> at the end*
[12:03] <soulrider> n6rej: do you engrave with cnc machines ?
[12:03] <ins-dragonclaw> should be fine
[12:03] <nick_> ok..ill ttry
[12:03] <nick_> because audio Cd's play
[12:03] <ins-dragonclaw> all my .jpegs view fine
[12:03] <n6rej> soulrider: no, I have a colleague who does it with laser's in Nevada
 ins-dragonclaw: yeah, company artwork that I hand created and crud... stuff i could never replicate cause I don't know how I did it the first time it just happened. <--- I know how this feels. and it sucks. But hey - at least you learned in the process ^^
[12:04] <n6rej> nick_: audio and .data are recorded differnetly
[12:04] <nick_> "no items,no files,no folders"
[12:04] <crackhead_25__> HOW DO I GET MY MOUSE CURSOR VISIBLE AGAIN?? THE SCREENSAVer went on, and when i moved the mouse, and the screen appeared again, the mouse pointer was not visible (though i know there is some kind of mouse still functioning, because i see icons and things getting highlighted as if the pointer was hovering over it, and i can click them still (just can't see the actual pointer before i click or after..)
[12:04] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: yep
[12:04] <n6rej> crackhead_25__: don't yell please
[12:04] <ins-dragonclaw> lol..........
[12:04] <ins-dragonclaw> ohkay
[12:04] <soulrider> n6rej: i see, because my dad built himself a CNC machine
[12:04] <crackhead_25__> sorry didnt mean to (swithced it off)
[12:04] <nick_> i removed the 0 from cdrom0
[12:04] <n6rej> soulrider: oh wow! that would be awesome!
[12:05] <ins-dragonclaw> okay
[12:05] <nick_> have a Cd full of jpg's, and it wont read them
[12:05] <n6rej> crackhead_25__: ctrl-alt-del and reboot
[12:05] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:05] <crackhead_25__> n6rej: yeah, but how do i resolve the problem so this doesnt happen again?? why did it happen in the first place??
[12:05] <crackhead_25__> it's happened more than once
[12:05] <ins-dragonclaw> ok - CDs appear at both ' /media/cdrom ' and ' /media/cdrom0 '. if neither of those work, try reinserting the CD.
[12:05] <ins-dragonclaw> if -that- doesn't work, find an XP machine
[12:05] <n6rej> crackhead_25__: look at suspend, somethings happening to your system when it comes out of suspend
[12:06] <sstchur> How do I make it so that programs in the task area only show up for a given workspace?
[12:06] <crackhead_25__> what do you mean "look at suspend"?
[12:06] <n6rej> crackhead_25__: do you have your system set to go to sleep?
[12:06] <crackhead_25__> i dont know?
[12:06] <ins-dragonclaw> sstchur: woah there
[12:06] <crackhead_25__> where would i find that out?
[12:06] <soulrider> n6rej: if i fin some CNC soft for linux i might be able to convert him completely :P
[12:06] <ins-dragonclaw> task area?
[12:06] <n6rej> crackhead_25__: display settings if I recall
[12:06] <nick_> could it be that i burned the CD with windows built in data burning s/w??
[12:06] <ins-dragonclaw> err no
[12:06] <n6rej> soulrider: that would be way awesome1
[12:06] <ins-dragonclaw> it burnt in ISO or CDFS or something
[12:06] <ins-dragonclaw> but linux should be able to read it anyway
[12:07] <sstchur> ins-dragonclaw: for lack of a better name.... I don't know what it's officially called
[12:07] <n6rej> nick_: yeah, but there are *nix formats that support win formats
[12:07] <crackhead_25__> display settings, or is there some power management setting somewhere?
[12:07] <ins-dragonclaw> but you know, I've had this problem before, nick_
[12:07] <nick_> the cd doesent even spin up when i insert it
[12:07] <ins-dragonclaw> did you burn the CD youself, or at the photo labs?
[12:07] <n6rej> crackhead_25__: yes to both questions, go to system settings and look there, I haven't done that part yet.
[12:07] <ins-dragonclaw> oh now it's a hardware problem
[12:07] <sstchur> ins-dragonclaw: "Main Panel"
[12:07] <ins-dragonclaw> sstchur: there's Desktop and Taskbar. you probably mean desktop
[12:08] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: check automount!
[12:08] <crackhead_25__> i looked at monitor and display in sys set.. no power saving enabled.. no other setting about sleep or suspend.. where else should i look?
[12:08] <ins-dragonclaw> and by 'programs', do you mean the actual windows or the icons?
[12:08] <nick_> but as soon as i insert my kubuntu CD, it reads that and it reads audio discs
[12:08] <sstchur> ins-dragonclaw: No, I mean, when I put a program in a different desktop, it still shows up in the panel even when I'm not viewing that desktop
[12:08] <ins-dragonclaw> maybe the CD is damaged, nick_
[12:08] <n6rej> crackhead_25__: how about screensavers?
[12:08] <ins-dragonclaw> have you tried copying it with K3b?
[12:08] <ins-dragonclaw> oh THAT
[12:08] <ins-dragonclaw> ok try this
[12:09] <n6rej> sstchur: I know I hate that.
[12:09] <ins-dragonclaw> right click on the panel - say Configure
[12:09] <sstchur> n6rej: there's a way to change it right?  I swear I've done it before
[12:09] <bxnp> sstchur: you can configure it if you dont want that behaviour
[12:09] <ins-dragonclaw> Taskbar -> []  Show only minimized windows
[12:09] <sstchur> Ah!
[12:09] <sstchur> found it
[12:09] <sstchur> thanks guys
[12:10] <archangel_> shalom ya'll
[12:10] <ins-dragonclaw> you know what's funny? first time i came here, i was looking for help
[12:10] <archangel_> I have an unusual issue
[12:10] <ins-dragonclaw> now i'm helping more than i'm being helped... lol
[12:10] <archangel_> I cant update
[12:10] <crackhead_25__> n6rej: i dont see screensavers anywhere.. that might have been in sys set, monitor/display, too..
[12:10] <crackhead_25__> ?
[12:10] <n6rej> sstchur:  oh cool
[12:11] <n6rej> crackhead_25__: yeah
[12:11] <archangel_> cant run apt
[12:11] <crackhead_25__> how do i n aviagte the sys set men without the mouse?
[12:11] <crackhead_25__> how do i cycle through the icons?
[12:11] <nick_> any known fixes for the CD rom or do i have to get a windows machine??
[12:11] <ins-dragonclaw> archangel_: so apt-get and apt-update don't run?
[12:11] <archangel_> correct
[12:11] <ins-dragonclaw> nick_: load the cd into a windows machine. If the photos actually come up, try copying them onto a flashdrive or something
[12:11] <ins-dragonclaw> or burn another disc