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| PriceChild | Hey | 03:03 |
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| slylyias | hi | 03:04 |
| slylyias | You're the first glimmer of hope I've had since the start, PriceChild | 03:04 |
| slylyias | So what do I do? | 03:04 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, I'm not 100% sure yet as I don't have all the info... but I think your problem is that you are running the default "vesa" driver. | 03:04 |
| PriceChild | could you "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep Driver" please | 03:05 |
| slylyias | I think I'm running the 'nv' driver | 03:05 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, ok.... well lets find out for sure ^ :) | 03:05 |
| nalioth | PriceChild: ? | 03:05 |
| PriceChild | nalioth, ? | 03:05 |
| nalioth | sources.list has nothing to do with graphics | 03:05 |
| slylyias | Okay, did that, no output | 03:05 |
| PriceChild | arrrghhhh | 03:06 |
| PriceChild | I always do that | 03:06 |
| PriceChild | cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver | 03:06 |
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| PriceChild | those are the two files people always use and I just don't think sometimes :P | 03:06 |
| slylyias | kbd, mouse, wacom (three times), nv | 03:06 |
| PriceChild | ok so it is nv | 03:06 |
| nalioth | ahh envy | 03:07 |
| slylyias | so now what? | 03:07 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, nv is the opensource community written nvidia driver. It is "free". | 03:07 |
| slylyias | free is good | 03:07 |
| PriceChild | "nvidia" (the driver) is the binary driver by nvidia (the company) availiable at nvidia.com | 03:08 |
| PriceChild | It is free as in price.... | 03:08 |
| PriceChild | However it is closed source. | 03:08 |
| slylyias | I'm a college student, and I even ran out of money on my meal-plan, so right now if I even find change in the couch it's going towards food... | 03:08 |
| slylyias | ah, I see. | 03:08 |
| slylyias | the official driver - does it support my card fully? | 03:08 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, should do yes... although I find the 7800 to be a problem card in experience | 03:08 |
| slylyias | or is it outdated because a big company doesn't really care about the linux community? | 03:08 |
| nalioth | slylyias: you can try it | 03:08 |
| nalioth | if all else fails, you can go back to 'nv' | 03:09 |
| nalioth | or even 'vesa' | 03:09 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, I'm basically explaining this to you as some people have problems with installing binary closed source drivers/software. | 03:09 |
| tonyyarusso | What is vesa exactly? | 03:09 |
| === tonyyarusso will probably have to use that - current ati is being awful | ||
| PriceChild | tonyyarusso, that's the default, bare bones driver that runs basically everything. | 03:10 |
| nalioth | tonyyarusso: VESA is a standard. | 03:10 |
| tonyyarusso | PriceChild, nalioth: Any downsides to it if I don't care about compiz? | 03:10 |
| PriceChild | tonyyarusso, slooowww.... | 03:10 |
| PriceChild | tonyyarusso, ati/radeon ftw | 03:10 |
| nalioth | tonyyarusso: none at all | 03:10 |
| tonyyarusso | PriceChild: Well, it will be faster than the 85% CPU usage I have right now | 03:10 |
| nalioth | VESA is guaranteed to work on all displays/graphics cards | 03:11 |
| PriceChild | Hehe :) by slow, I mean it refreshes on screen slowly | 03:11 |
| PriceChild | nalioth, btw I'm sure I've heard of vesa not working for a card or two | 03:12 |
| nalioth | PriceChild: i think that you heard about operator error | 03:13 |
| PriceChild | hehe maybe :) | 03:14 |
| PriceChild | *probably | 03:14 |
| tonyyarusso | nalioth: well, it runs Gnome but not XFCE - I think b/c I have some transparency stuff still set in XFCE | 03:15 |
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| slylyias | sorry apparently I got disconnected, not sure why | 03:16 |
| slylyias | PriceChild: you still here? | 03:17 |
| PriceChild | Hey slylyias | 03:17 |
| slylyias | did you see me apologize for asking so many rapid questions? | 03:17 |
| PriceChild | Hehe no but don't worry about it. | 03:17 |
| slylyias | not sure what the last you saw from me was | 03:17 |
| slylyias | Okay, well I was saying, what do I need to do now? | 03:18 |
| PriceChild | <slylyias> or is it outdated because a big company doesn't really care about the linux community? | 03:18 |
| slylyias | to run 'nvidia' | 03:18 |
| PriceChild | nvidia are pretty good about keeping their drivers up to date with cards. | 03:19 |
| PriceChild | But anyway... | 03:19 |
| PriceChild | !nvidia9 | 03:19 |
| ubotu | For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9746 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable | 03:19 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, You are on Edgy right? | 03:19 |
| slylyias | yes | 03:20 |
| slylyias | What does unsupported mean? | 03:20 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, unsupported means that the ubuntu community will not help you if something goes wrong. | 03:20 |
| slylyias | well that's not good. :( | 03:21 |
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| slylyias | guess I have no choice though. | 03:21 |
| slylyias | Oh, can we reinstall nv first to try and 'fix' this? | 03:21 |
| slylyias | And does X use openGL, and if so can we check that too? | 03:21 |
| PriceChild | reinstall nv? What's broken about it? | 03:21 |
| slylyias | the X environment is running really slowly if I enable special effects | 03:22 |
| PriceChild | "special effects"? | 03:22 |
| slylyias | translucency, etc | 03:23 |
| PriceChild | Are you on ubuntu, kubuntu or xubuntu? :s | 03:23 |
| slylyias | alt+f3 > configure window behavior > translucency | 03:23 |
| slylyias | I had to turn all that off to make the windows appear quickly | 03:23 |
| PriceChild | Either way I'm pretty sure this is normal... | 03:24 |
| slylyias | otherwise it was sloooowwww | 03:24 |
| slylyias | kubuntu | 03:24 |
| slylyias | huh? | 03:24 |
| PriceChild | Yeah I'm pretty sure this is normal. The nv driver doesn't provide the best performance or any 3d acceleration :) | 03:24 |
| slylyias | no 3d accel?! | 03:25 |
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| slylyias | Then what's the point? | 03:25 |
| slylyias | Okay, how do I install nvidia? | 03:25 |
| RoyB72 | take a look here, talkes about how to install the gfx drivers.. u can ignore the beryl stuff... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy | 03:25 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, could you pull up a terminal? | 03:26 |
| RoyB72 | got to Driver Install / NVIDIA | 03:26 |
| slylyias | already open | 03:26 |
| PriceChild | then type in "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" | 03:26 |
| PriceChild | (these are the same instructions as RoyB72 gave, just with more detail) | 03:27 |
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| PriceChild | slylyias, that should make a text editor appear... | 03:27 |
| slylyias | RoyB72: I'm really new to all this, so a little handholding is appreciated, RTFM is good, but I'm several hours into this already. :) | 03:27 |
| Elr0d | howdy | 03:27 |
| RoyB72 | I had kubuntu for 3 days.. so... | 03:27 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, got it? | 03:27 |
| slylyias | can I do emacs /etc/apt/source.list? | 03:27 |
| Elr0d | /who evilpig | 03:27 |
| slylyias | I'm used to that editor | 03:28 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, haha yeah sure | 03:28 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, you need to use root privelages though... so prefix it with sudo | 03:28 |
| slylyias | emacs is open | 03:28 |
| slylyias | kk | 03:28 |
| PriceChild | add the following line to the bottom of the file and save | 03:28 |
| PriceChild | deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable | 03:28 |
| slylyias | btw, I know I can !$ for the path, so I can sudo emacs !$ | 03:29 |
| slylyias | but is there a way to include the whole last command, not just the last argument? | 03:29 |
| slylyias | so I can do sudo _____ without the 'emacs'? | 03:29 |
| slylyias | Oh, I already added that before when you mentioned it, PriceChild | 03:29 |
| PriceChild | ah ok | 03:29 |
| slylyias | Added the depository to apt-get. | 03:29 |
| nalioth | slylyias: did port 8001 not work for you? | 03:29 |
| PriceChild | I'm n ot sure what you meant a minute ago... | 03:29 |
| PriceChild | *repository | 03:29 |
| PriceChild | "sudo apt-get update" - will update your apt database | 03:30 |
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| slylyias | nalioth: I tried it in konversation, and couldn't connect. | 03:31 |
| slylyias | updated | 03:31 |
| RoyB72 | slylyias: I followed the instructions in the link I gave u, and all worked fine.. now I just use the Envy prog to update my nVidia drivers... | 03:32 |
| RoyB72 | and I'm as noob as u are | 03:32 |
| RoyB72 | probably worse | 03:32 |
| PriceChild | sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic build-essential gcc xserver-xorg-dev pkg-config | 03:36 |
| PriceChild | whoops not that. | 03:36 |
| slylyias | oh, okay | 03:36 |
| PriceChild | sudo apt-get install linux-generic nvidia-glx | 03:36 |
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| slylias_8001 | Ah ha! Bye Bye tor! | 03:37 |
| PriceChild | lol | 03:37 |
| slylyias | sudo apt-get install linux-generic nvidia-glx | 03:38 |
| slylyias | After unpacking 27.0MB of additional disk space will be used. | 03:38 |
| slylyias | Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y | 03:38 |
| slylyias | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! | 03:38 |
| slylyias | linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-generic nvidia-glx | 03:38 |
| slylyias | Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? | 03:38 |
| slylyias | E: Some packages could not be authenticated | 03:38 |
| slylyias | 03:38 | |
| slylyias | I don't know if that means they were intalled or not | 03:38 |
| PriceChild | They weren't | 03:38 |
| === PriceChild finds the key | ||
| === slylyias didn't know there was a lock., | ||
| PriceChild | wget -O- --quiet http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg | sudo apt-key add - | 03:39 |
| slylyias | OK | 03:39 |
| PriceChild | basically your machine reads the signing to make sure the download has come from where it says its from | 03:40 |
| slylyias | done | 03:40 |
| PriceChild | try again :) | 03:40 |
| slylyias | PGP kinda key? | 03:40 |
| PriceChild | Yeah | 03:40 |
| slylyias | ah | 03:40 |
| slylyias | installing btw | 03:40 |
| slylias_8001 | this is like the biggest package I've ever installed | 03:40 |
| slylias_8001 | or a reallllly slow server, lol | 03:41 |
| slylias_8001 | while this updates, can I talk about something else with you PriceChild ? | 03:41 |
| PriceChild | yeah sure | 03:41 |
| slylias_8001 | I got 3 issues keeping me from using linux full-time instead of XP | 03:42 |
| slylias_8001 | this is #1 | 03:42 |
| slylias_8001 | I have an external NTFS hard drive I need to be able to use (USB 250gig drive) | 03:42 |
| slylias_8001 | And I need my TV tuner to work properly | 03:42 |
| slylias_8001 | can those be done? | 03:42 |
| PriceChild | "yes" | 03:43 |
| RoyB72 | I got a similar problem.. can I write to NTFS drives? | 03:43 |
| PriceChild | !ntfs-3g | 03:43 |
| ubotu | ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy) | 03:43 |
| RoyB72 | thx | 03:43 |
| PriceChild | be careful wit hit ;) | 03:44 |
| PriceChild | back up all data | 03:44 |
| nalioth | RoyB72: be very careful | 03:44 |
| RoyB72 | is it really that unstable? | 03:44 |
| PriceChild | if you tv tuner works out the box like mine then good... if not then I don't think I'll be much help | 03:44 |
| nalioth | RoyB72: the best way to write to an NTFS drive is by using Windows(tm) | 03:44 |
| RoyB72 | duhhh... hehe | 03:44 |
| PriceChild | RoyB72, its at "Release Candidate" stage afaik. Extensive tests show its good however.... | 03:44 |
| slylyias | Can I convert an NTFS drive to FAT and just save all these headaches? | 03:44 |
| RoyB72 | but I'd like to write some small files to my larger drives | 03:45 |
| PriceChild | It is not based on MS's specs and is basically all guesswork | 03:45 |
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| PriceChild | so some may be wrong ;) | 03:45 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, no can do sorry | 03:45 |
| slylyias | Can I banish microsoft to the farthest corners of the earth for having proprietary file systems? | 03:45 |
| RoyB72 | hmm... guess I can wait with that then | 03:46 |
| PriceChild | You can try :) | 03:46 |
| RoyB72 | lol | 03:46 |
| slylyias | I just wanna get READ access to this drive! it's mounted but owned by root | 03:46 |
| slylyias | so when I try to sudo chmod on it I get an error because it's read only! | 03:47 |
| PriceChild | slylyias, did you mount it manually or was it automounted? | 03:47 |
| slylyias | manually | 03:47 |
| slylyias | I think | 03:48 |
| PriceChild | using /etc/fstab ? | 03:48 |
| slylyias | I tried to fix it myself, so who knows what I did. | 03:48 |
| slylyias | lol | 03:48 |
| slylyias | yes | 03:48 |
| RoyB72 | u lost me there guys... | 03:48 |
| nalioth | slylyias: DO NOT chmod things | 03:48 |
| slylyias | btw, aptitude is up to 60% | 03:49 |
| nalioth | 1: windows has no idea about linux permissions | 03:49 |
| slylyias | why's that? | 03:49 |
| nalioth | 2: done incorrectly, chmod will totally wreck your system | 03:49 |
| slylyias | Okay, so what do I do now? (the drive still works under windows) | 03:50 |
| PriceChild | pastebin your /etc/fstab | 03:50 |
| slylyias | probably because chmod failed | 03:50 |
| slylyias | (how sad is it that I'm a comp sci major?) | 03:50 |
| slylyias | what's the hotkey for a new terminal window? | 03:50 |
| slylyias | I'm tired of reaching for the mouse, it's all the way like, three inches away. | 03:51 |
| RoyB72 | I get this msg on youtube site: Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Get the latest flash player. | 03:52 |
| slylias_8001 | I'm still here, btw | 03:53 |
| RoyB72 | don't work going to the link | 03:53 |
| slylias_8001 | just closed the tor copy | 03:53 |
| PriceChild | !flash9 > RoyB72 (see the pm from ubotu) | 03:53 |
| PriceChild | ok | 03:53 |
| PriceChild | slylias_8001, how's install going? | 03:53 |
| slylias_8001 | 97% | 03:53 |
| slylyias | done! | 03:54 |
| slylyias | now what should I do? | 03:54 |
| PriceChild | installed also? | 03:54 |
| slylyias | huh? | 03:54 |
| PriceChild | nevermind... you have the prompt back? | 03:55 |
| slylyias | yes | 03:55 |
| PriceChild | ok | 03:55 |
| PriceChild | I want you to write the following command down... | 03:55 |
| slylyias | okay... | 03:55 |
| PriceChild | If things fail, you will need to type it into the terminal to reset things | 03:56 |
| PriceChild | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh | 03:56 |
| slylyias | Okay, I'm making an alias for it in bash_profile so I can't forget (And don't have to type later) | 03:56 |
| PriceChild | write it down anyway just incase ;) | 03:56 |
| PriceChild | better safe than sorry | 03:56 |
| PriceChild | If X does not restart, you will have to CTRL+ALT+F1, log in, type that command. | 03:57 |
| slylyias | Okay | 03:57 |
| slylyias | Written down | 03:57 |
| PriceChild | then restart X with "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" | 03:57 |
| PriceChild | you need them both written down really... | 03:58 |
| slylyias | Done | 03:58 |
| slylyias | Btw, what is Cntrl + alt + f1 do? | 03:58 |
| slylyias | does, even | 03:58 |
| PriceChild | try it.... ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to gui | 03:58 |
| slylyias | Ah, it drops me back to the console | 03:59 |
| slylyias | I like it! | 03:59 |
| PriceChild | "sudo nvidia-xconfig" should edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the correct setup. CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE will then restart your X server... losing all open windows. | 03:59 |
| slylyias | Okay, all the 'if stuff dies" is done, :) | 03:59 |
| slylyias | so I should close all running programs first, right? | 03:59 |
| PriceChild | Might as well | 04:00 |
| slylyias | brb | 04:00 |
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| slylyias | Okay, I'm on my laptop, this as you can guess, is a BAD thing. | 04:10 |
| PriceChild | what happenned? :( | 04:10 |
| slylyias | I'm at the terminal screen, and there is no -reconfigure option for dpkg! | 04:10 |
| nalioth | slylyias: sure there is | 04:10 |
| nalioth | sudo dpkg-reconfigure blah lah | 04:11 |
| PriceChild | dpkg-reconfigure is its own command... not dpkg -reconfigure | 04:11 |
| slylyias | oh, no space! | 04:11 |
| slylyias | lol | 04:11 |
| PriceChild | hehe :) | 04:11 |
| === PriceChild has to run soon :( | ||
| slylyias | Also, is there a way for me to try to restart the x server without reconfiguring it? | 04:11 |
| slylyias | just wanna give it a second chance | 04:11 |
| PriceChild | but hopefully I can get you rescued till then | 04:11 |
| nalioth | slylyias: ctrl-alt-backspace | 04:11 |
| PriceChild | "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" or the above | 04:12 |
| PriceChild | (i said gdm earlier sorry, should be kdm as you are on kubuntu) | 04:12 |
| slylyias | Okay, I got the dos-like screen | 04:12 |
| slylyias | should I choose VESA? (I hope not) | 04:13 |
| PriceChild | choose nv | 04:13 |
| slylyias | oh, I chose nvidia | 04:13 |
| slylyias | okay, hold on, will start over | 04:14 |
| PriceChild | nvidia is the driver you just installed which you said broke... | 04:14 |
| slylyias | restarting kdm | 04:14 |
| slylyias | with nv | 04:14 |
| slylyias | okay I'm in | 04:15 |
| PriceChild | wooo :) | 04:15 |
| PriceChild | now reeeeally quickly... | 04:15 |
| slylyias | yes? | 04:15 |
| PriceChild | pastebin the ouput of "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old" | 04:16 |
| PriceChild | so we can see what went wrong :) | 04:16 |
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| PriceChild | but I really have to go soon... :P | 04:16 |
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| PriceChild | BTW I did tell you earlier that the 7800 causes troubles for people ;) | 04:16 |
| slylyias2 | can you repeat what to pastebin? | 04:17 |
| PriceChild | pastebin the ouput of "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old" | 04:17 |
| PriceChild | !paste | 04:17 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 04:17 |
| slylyias2 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11933/ | 04:18 |
| PriceChild | I've not seen that before... and I'm sorry I "really" have to go. | 04:20 |
| slylyias2 | anyone else you know that would be willing to help me? | 04:21 |
| slylyias2 | thank you though | 04:21 |
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| PriceChild | Well as I said earlier... those drivers are "unsupported" | 04:21 |
| slylyias | Okay, well, with getting my fstab done right so I can read off the NTFS drive? | 04:22 |
| PriceChild | You've got to find someone nice :) I don't know who's online atm though sorry | 04:22 |
| slylyias | Okay, thank you | 04:22 |
| PriceChild | !mountwindows | 04:22 |
| ubotu | To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse | 04:22 |
| PriceChild | sorry | 04:22 |
| slylyias | !fuse | 04:22 |
| ubotu | Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse | 04:22 |
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| RoyB72 | got a quick question for those still awake... | 05:57 |
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| RoyB72 | why do I get the error: Requested audio codec family [mp3] (afm=mp3lib) not available. Enable it at compilation. | 05:59 |
| RoyB72 | but I can still listen to mp3.. just get this error everytime it starts on one | 05:59 |
| RoyB72 | and a second question.. how can I make the sound go to S/PDIF? | 06:01 |
| RoyB72 | tried all the links... think I installed all that got anything to do with mp3... ;) | 06:02 |
| RoyB72 | goodnight then.. | 07:47 |
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