=== hybrid [n=x@easyubuntu/supporter/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === weebit [n=unknown@72.150.81.141] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === neuratix [n=lorents@ti521110a080-6398.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === jojoman02 [n=khan@190.80.149.13] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === hybrid [n=x@72.169.30.254] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === slylyias [i=kvirc@gateway/tor/x-5d4d6b4944f450b9] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:03] Hey [03:04] hi [03:04] You're the first glimmer of hope I've had since the start, PriceChild [03:04] So what do I do? [03:04] slylyias, I'm not 100% sure yet as I don't have all the info... but I think your problem is that you are running the default "vesa" driver. [03:05] could you "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep Driver" please [03:05] I think I'm running the 'nv' driver [03:05] slylyias, ok.... well lets find out for sure ^ :) [03:05] PriceChild: ? [03:05] nalioth, ? [03:05] sources.list has nothing to do with graphics [03:05] Okay, did that, no output [03:06] arrrghhhh [03:06] I always do that [03:06] cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver === nalioth plugs PriceChild into a light socket [03:06] those are the two files people always use and I just don't think sometimes :P [03:06] kbd, mouse, wacom (three times), nv [03:06] ok so it is nv [03:07] ahh envy [03:07] so now what? [03:07] slylyias, nv is the opensource community written nvidia driver. It is "free". [03:07] free is good [03:08] "nvidia" (the driver) is the binary driver by nvidia (the company) availiable at nvidia.com [03:08] It is free as in price.... [03:08] However it is closed source. [03:08] I'm a college student, and I even ran out of money on my meal-plan, so right now if I even find change in the couch it's going towards food... [03:08] ah, I see. [03:08] the official driver - does it support my card fully? [03:08] slylyias, should do yes... although I find the 7800 to be a problem card in experience [03:08] or is it outdated because a big company doesn't really care about the linux community? [03:08] slylyias: you can try it [03:09] if all else fails, you can go back to 'nv' [03:09] or even 'vesa' [03:09] slylyias, I'm basically explaining this to you as some people have problems with installing binary closed source drivers/software. [03:09] What is vesa exactly? === tonyyarusso will probably have to use that - current ati is being awful [03:10] tonyyarusso, that's the default, bare bones driver that runs basically everything. [03:10] tonyyarusso: VESA is a standard. [03:10] PriceChild, nalioth: Any downsides to it if I don't care about compiz? [03:10] tonyyarusso, slooowww.... [03:10] tonyyarusso, ati/radeon ftw [03:10] tonyyarusso: none at all [03:10] PriceChild: Well, it will be faster than the 85% CPU usage I have right now [03:11] VESA is guaranteed to work on all displays/graphics cards [03:11] Hehe :) by slow, I mean it refreshes on screen slowly [03:12] nalioth, btw I'm sure I've heard of vesa not working for a card or two [03:13] PriceChild: i think that you heard about operator error [03:14] hehe maybe :) [03:14] *probably [03:15] nalioth: well, it runs Gnome but not XFCE - I think b/c I have some transparency stuff still set in XFCE === slylyias [i=kvirc@gateway/tor/x-86021d3db42ed77d] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:16] sorry apparently I got disconnected, not sure why [03:17] PriceChild: you still here? [03:17] Hey slylyias [03:17] did you see me apologize for asking so many rapid questions? [03:17] Hehe no but don't worry about it. [03:17] not sure what the last you saw from me was [03:18] Okay, well I was saying, what do I need to do now? [03:18] or is it outdated because a big company doesn't really care about the linux community? [03:18] to run 'nvidia' [03:19] nvidia are pretty good about keeping their drivers up to date with cards. [03:19] But anyway... [03:19] !nvidia9 [03:19] For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9746 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable [03:19] slylyias, You are on Edgy right? [03:20] yes [03:20] What does unsupported mean? [03:20] slylyias, unsupported means that the ubuntu community will not help you if something goes wrong. [03:21] well that's not good. :( === croppa [n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:21] guess I have no choice though. [03:21] Oh, can we reinstall nv first to try and 'fix' this? [03:21] And does X use openGL, and if so can we check that too? [03:21] reinstall nv? What's broken about it? [03:22] the X environment is running really slowly if I enable special effects [03:22] "special effects"? [03:23] translucency, etc [03:23] Are you on ubuntu, kubuntu or xubuntu? :s [03:23] alt+f3 > configure window behavior > translucency [03:23] I had to turn all that off to make the windows appear quickly [03:24] Either way I'm pretty sure this is normal... [03:24] otherwise it was sloooowwww [03:24] kubuntu [03:24] huh? [03:24] Yeah I'm pretty sure this is normal. The nv driver doesn't provide the best performance or any 3d acceleration :) [03:25] no 3d accel?! === hybrid [n=x@72.169.30.254] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:25] Then what's the point? [03:25] Okay, how do I install nvidia? [03:25] take a look here, talkes about how to install the gfx drivers.. u can ignore the beryl stuff... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy [03:26] slylyias, could you pull up a terminal? [03:26] got to Driver Install / NVIDIA [03:26] already open [03:26] then type in "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" [03:27] (these are the same instructions as RoyB72 gave, just with more detail) === Elr0d [n=user@adsl-64-149-214-165.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:27] slylyias, that should make a text editor appear... [03:27] RoyB72: I'm really new to all this, so a little handholding is appreciated, RTFM is good, but I'm several hours into this already. :) [03:27] howdy [03:27] I had kubuntu for 3 days.. so... [03:27] slylyias, got it? [03:27] can I do emacs /etc/apt/source.list? [03:27] /who evilpig [03:28] I'm used to that editor [03:28] slylyias, haha yeah sure [03:28] slylyias, you need to use root privelages though... so prefix it with sudo [03:28] emacs is open [03:28] kk [03:28] add the following line to the bottom of the file and save [03:28] deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable [03:29] btw, I know I can !$ for the path, so I can sudo emacs !$ [03:29] but is there a way to include the whole last command, not just the last argument? [03:29] so I can do sudo _____ without the 'emacs'? [03:29] Oh, I already added that before when you mentioned it, PriceChild [03:29] ah ok [03:29] Added the depository to apt-get. [03:29] slylyias: did port 8001 not work for you? [03:29] I'm n ot sure what you meant a minute ago... [03:29] *repository [03:30] "sudo apt-get update" - will update your apt database === Elr0d [n=user@adsl-64-149-214-165.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [03:31] nalioth: I tried it in konversation, and couldn't connect. [03:31] updated [03:32] slylyias: I followed the instructions in the link I gave u, and all worked fine.. now I just use the Envy prog to update my nVidia drivers... [03:32] and I'm as noob as u are [03:32] probably worse [03:36] sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic build-essential gcc xserver-xorg-dev pkg-config [03:36] whoops not that. [03:36] oh, okay [03:36] sudo apt-get install linux-generic nvidia-glx === slylias_8001 [n=rg535748@h166-80.empire-commons.student.albany.edu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:37] Ah ha! Bye Bye tor! [03:37] lol [03:38] sudo apt-get install linux-generic nvidia-glx [03:38] After unpacking 27.0MB of additional disk space will be used. [03:38] Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y [03:38] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! [03:38] linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-generic nvidia-glx [03:38] Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? [03:38] E: Some packages could not be authenticated [03:38] [03:38] I don't know if that means they were intalled or not [03:38] They weren't === PriceChild finds the key === slylyias didn't know there was a lock., [03:39] wget -O- --quiet http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg | sudo apt-key add - [03:39] OK [03:40] basically your machine reads the signing to make sure the download has come from where it says its from [03:40] done [03:40] try again :) [03:40] PGP kinda key? [03:40] Yeah [03:40] ah [03:40] installing btw [03:40] this is like the biggest package I've ever installed [03:41] or a reallllly slow server, lol [03:41] while this updates, can I talk about something else with you PriceChild ? [03:41] yeah sure [03:42] I got 3 issues keeping me from using linux full-time instead of XP [03:42] this is #1 [03:42] I have an external NTFS hard drive I need to be able to use (USB 250gig drive) [03:42] And I need my TV tuner to work properly [03:42] can those be done? [03:43] "yes" [03:43] I got a similar problem.. can I write to NTFS drives? [03:43] !ntfs-3g [03:43] ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy) [03:43] thx [03:44] be careful wit hit ;) [03:44] back up all data [03:44] RoyB72: be very careful [03:44] is it really that unstable? [03:44] if you tv tuner works out the box like mine then good... if not then I don't think I'll be much help [03:44] RoyB72: the best way to write to an NTFS drive is by using Windows(tm) [03:44] duhhh... hehe [03:44] RoyB72, its at "Release Candidate" stage afaik. Extensive tests show its good however.... [03:44] Can I convert an NTFS drive to FAT and just save all these headaches? [03:45] but I'd like to write some small files to my larger drives [03:45] It is not based on MS's specs and is basically all guesswork === Crusher [n=You@121.45.175.58] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:45] so some may be wrong ;) [03:45] slylyias, no can do sorry [03:45] Can I banish microsoft to the farthest corners of the earth for having proprietary file systems? [03:46] hmm... guess I can wait with that then [03:46] You can try :) [03:46] lol [03:46] I just wanna get READ access to this drive! it's mounted but owned by root [03:47] so when I try to sudo chmod on it I get an error because it's read only! [03:47] slylyias, did you mount it manually or was it automounted? [03:47] manually [03:48] I think [03:48] using /etc/fstab ? [03:48] I tried to fix it myself, so who knows what I did. [03:48] lol [03:48] yes [03:48] u lost me there guys... [03:48] slylyias: DO NOT chmod things [03:49] btw, aptitude is up to 60% [03:49] 1: windows has no idea about linux permissions [03:49] why's that? [03:49] 2: done incorrectly, chmod will totally wreck your system [03:50] Okay, so what do I do now? (the drive still works under windows) [03:50] pastebin your /etc/fstab [03:50] probably because chmod failed [03:50] (how sad is it that I'm a comp sci major?) [03:50] what's the hotkey for a new terminal window? [03:51] I'm tired of reaching for the mouse, it's all the way like, three inches away. [03:52] I get this msg on youtube site: Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Get the latest flash player. [03:53] I'm still here, btw [03:53] don't work going to the link [03:53] just closed the tor copy [03:53] !flash9 > RoyB72 (see the pm from ubotu) [03:53] ok [03:53] slylias_8001, how's install going? [03:53] 97% [03:54] done! [03:54] now what should I do? [03:54] installed also? [03:54] huh? [03:55] nevermind... you have the prompt back? [03:55] yes [03:55] ok [03:55] I want you to write the following command down... [03:55] okay... [03:56] If things fail, you will need to type it into the terminal to reset things [03:56] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh [03:56] Okay, I'm making an alias for it in bash_profile so I can't forget (And don't have to type later) [03:56] write it down anyway just incase ;) [03:56] better safe than sorry [03:57] If X does not restart, you will have to CTRL+ALT+F1, log in, type that command. [03:57] Okay [03:57] Written down [03:57] then restart X with "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" [03:58] you need them both written down really... [03:58] Done [03:58] Btw, what is Cntrl + alt + f1 do? [03:58] does, even [03:58] try it.... ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to gui [03:59] Ah, it drops me back to the console [03:59] I like it! [03:59] "sudo nvidia-xconfig" should edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the correct setup. CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE will then restart your X server... losing all open windows. [03:59] Okay, all the 'if stuff dies" is done, :) [03:59] so I should close all running programs first, right? [04:00] Might as well [04:00] brb === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === slylyias [n=Phoenix@209.8.41.207] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:10] Okay, I'm on my laptop, this as you can guess, is a BAD thing. [04:10] what happenned? :( [04:10] I'm at the terminal screen, and there is no -reconfigure option for dpkg! [04:10] slylyias: sure there is [04:11] sudo dpkg-reconfigure blah lah [04:11] dpkg-reconfigure is its own command... not dpkg -reconfigure [04:11] oh, no space! [04:11] lol [04:11] hehe :) === PriceChild has to run soon :( [04:11] Also, is there a way for me to try to restart the x server without reconfiguring it? [04:11] just wanna give it a second chance [04:11] but hopefully I can get you rescued till then [04:11] slylyias: ctrl-alt-backspace [04:12] "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" or the above [04:12] (i said gdm earlier sorry, should be kdm as you are on kubuntu) [04:12] Okay, I got the dos-like screen [04:13] should I choose VESA? (I hope not) [04:13] choose nv [04:13] oh, I chose nvidia [04:14] okay, hold on, will start over [04:14] nvidia is the driver you just installed which you said broke... [04:14] restarting kdm [04:14] with nv [04:15] okay I'm in [04:15] wooo :) [04:15] now reeeeally quickly... [04:15] yes? [04:16] pastebin the ouput of "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old" [04:16] so we can see what went wrong :) === rg535748 [n=rg535748@h166-80.empire-commons.student.albany.edu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === rg535748 is now known as sly [04:16] but I really have to go soon... :P === sly is now known as slylyias2 [04:16] BTW I did tell you earlier that the 7800 causes troubles for people ;) [04:17] can you repeat what to pastebin? [04:17] pastebin the ouput of "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old" [04:17] !paste [04:17] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [04:18] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11933/ [04:20] I've not seen that before... and I'm sorry I "really" have to go. [04:21] anyone else you know that would be willing to help me? [04:21] thank you though === slylyias2 is now known as slylyias [04:21] Well as I said earlier... those drivers are "unsupported" [04:22] Okay, well, with getting my fstab done right so I can read off the NTFS drive? [04:22] You've got to find someone nice :) I don't know who's online atm though sorry [04:22] Okay, thank you [04:22] !mountwindows [04:22] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse [04:22] sorry [04:22] !fuse [04:22] Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse === Turgon [n=Turgon@unaffiliated/turgon] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === DM| [n=dm@cpe-65-31-7-98.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === hybrid [n=x@72.169.30.254] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:57] got a quick question for those still awake... === hybrid [n=x@72.169.30.254] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:59] why do I get the error: Requested audio codec family [mp3] (afm=mp3lib) not available. Enable it at compilation. [05:59] but I can still listen to mp3.. just get this error everytime it starts on one [06:01] and a second question.. how can I make the sound go to S/PDIF? 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