[03:03] <PriceChild> Hey
[03:04] <slylyias> hi
[03:04] <slylyias> You're the first glimmer of hope I've had since the start, PriceChild
[03:04] <slylyias> So what do I do?
[03:04] <PriceChild> slylyias, I'm not 100% sure yet as I don't have all the info... but I think your problem is that you are running the default "vesa" driver.
[03:05] <PriceChild> could you "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep Driver" please
[03:05] <slylyias> I think I'm running the 'nv' driver
[03:05] <PriceChild> slylyias, ok.... well lets find out for sure ^ :)
[03:05] <nalioth> PriceChild: ?
[03:05] <PriceChild> nalioth, ?
[03:05] <nalioth> sources.list has nothing to do with graphics
[03:05] <slylyias> Okay, did that, no output
[03:06] <PriceChild> arrrghhhh
[03:06] <PriceChild> I always do that
[03:06] <PriceChild> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[03:06] <PriceChild> those are the two files people always use and I just don't think sometimes :P
[03:06] <slylyias> kbd, mouse, wacom (three times), nv
[03:06] <PriceChild> ok so it is nv
[03:07] <nalioth> ahh envy
[03:07] <slylyias> so now what?
[03:07] <PriceChild> slylyias, nv is the opensource community written nvidia driver. It is "free".
[03:07] <slylyias> free is good
[03:08] <PriceChild> "nvidia" (the driver) is the binary driver by nvidia (the company) availiable at nvidia.com
[03:08] <PriceChild> It is free as in price....
[03:08] <PriceChild> However it is closed source.
[03:08] <slylyias> I'm a college student, and I even ran out of money on my meal-plan, so right now if I even find change in the couch it's going towards food...
[03:08] <slylyias> ah, I see.
[03:08] <slylyias> the official driver - does it support my card fully?
[03:08] <PriceChild> slylyias, should do yes... although I find the 7800 to be a problem card in experience
[03:08] <slylyias> or is it outdated because a big company doesn't really care about the linux community?
[03:08] <nalioth> slylyias: you can try it
[03:09] <nalioth> if all else fails, you can go back to 'nv'
[03:09] <nalioth> or even 'vesa'
[03:09] <PriceChild> slylyias, I'm basically explaining this to you as some people have problems with installing binary closed source drivers/software.
[03:09] <tonyyarusso> What is vesa exactly?
[03:10] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, that's the default, bare bones driver that runs basically everything.
[03:10] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: VESA is a standard.
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild, nalioth: Any downsides to it if I don't care about compiz?
[03:10] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, slooowww....
[03:10] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, ati/radeon ftw
[03:10] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: none at all
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Well, it will be faster than the 85% CPU usage I have right now
[03:11] <nalioth> VESA is guaranteed to work on all displays/graphics cards
[03:11] <PriceChild> Hehe :) by slow, I mean it refreshes on screen slowly
[03:12] <PriceChild> nalioth, btw I'm sure I've heard of vesa not working for a card or two
[03:13] <nalioth> PriceChild: i think that you heard about operator error
[03:14] <PriceChild> hehe maybe :)
[03:14] <PriceChild> *probably
[03:15] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: well, it runs Gnome but not XFCE - I think b/c I have some transparency stuff still set in XFCE
[03:16] <slylyias> sorry apparently I got disconnected, not sure why
[03:17] <slylyias> PriceChild: you still here?
[03:17] <PriceChild> Hey slylyias
[03:17] <slylyias> did you see me apologize for asking so many rapid questions?
[03:17] <PriceChild> Hehe no but don't worry about it.
[03:17] <slylyias> not sure what the last you saw from me was
[03:18] <slylyias> Okay, well I was saying, what do I need to do now?
 or is it outdated because a big company doesn't really care about the linux community?
[03:18] <slylyias> to run 'nvidia'
[03:19] <PriceChild> nvidia are pretty good about keeping their drivers up to date with cards.
[03:19] <PriceChild> But anyway...
[03:19] <PriceChild> !nvidia9
[03:19] <ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9746 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
[03:19] <PriceChild> slylyias, You are on Edgy right?
[03:20] <slylyias> yes
[03:20] <slylyias> What does unsupported mean?
[03:20] <PriceChild> slylyias, unsupported means that the ubuntu community will not help you if something goes wrong.
[03:21] <slylyias> well that's not good. :(
[03:21] <slylyias> guess I have no choice though.
[03:21] <slylyias> Oh, can we reinstall nv first to try and 'fix' this?
[03:21] <slylyias> And does X use openGL, and if so can we check that too?
[03:21] <PriceChild> reinstall nv? What's broken about it?
[03:22] <slylyias> the X environment is running really slowly if I enable special effects
[03:22] <PriceChild> "special effects"?
[03:23] <slylyias> translucency, etc
[03:23] <PriceChild> Are you on ubuntu, kubuntu or xubuntu? :s
[03:23] <slylyias> alt+f3 > configure window behavior > translucency
[03:23] <slylyias> I had to turn all that off to make the windows appear quickly
[03:24] <PriceChild> Either way I'm pretty sure this is normal...
[03:24] <slylyias> otherwise it was sloooowwww
[03:24] <slylyias> kubuntu
[03:24] <slylyias> huh?
[03:24] <PriceChild> Yeah I'm pretty sure this is normal. The nv driver doesn't provide the best performance or any 3d acceleration :)
[03:25] <slylyias> no 3d accel?!
[03:25] <slylyias> Then what's the point?
[03:25] <slylyias> Okay, how do I install nvidia?
[03:25] <RoyB72> take a look here, talkes about how to install the gfx drivers.. u can ignore the beryl stuff... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy
[03:26] <PriceChild> slylyias, could you pull up a terminal?
[03:26] <RoyB72> got to Driver  Install / NVIDIA
[03:26] <slylyias> already open
[03:26] <PriceChild> then type in "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:27] <PriceChild> (these are the same instructions as RoyB72 gave, just with more detail)
[03:27] <PriceChild> slylyias, that should make a text editor appear...
[03:27] <slylyias> RoyB72:  I'm really new to all this, so a little handholding is appreciated, RTFM is good, but I'm several hours into this already. :)
[03:27] <Elr0d> howdy
[03:27] <RoyB72> I had kubuntu for 3 days.. so...
[03:27] <PriceChild> slylyias, got it?
[03:27] <slylyias> can I do emacs /etc/apt/source.list?
[03:27] <Elr0d> /who evilpig
[03:28] <slylyias> I'm used to that editor
[03:28] <PriceChild> slylyias, haha yeah sure
[03:28] <PriceChild> slylyias, you need to use root privelages though... so prefix it with sudo
[03:28] <slylyias> emacs is open
[03:28] <slylyias> kk
[03:28] <PriceChild> add the following line to the bottom of the file and save
[03:28] <PriceChild> deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
[03:29] <slylyias> btw, I know I can !$ for the path, so I can sudo emacs !$
[03:29] <slylyias> but is there a way to include the whole last command, not just the last argument?
[03:29] <slylyias> so I can do sudo _____ without the 'emacs'?
[03:29] <slylyias> Oh, I already added that before when you mentioned it, PriceChild
[03:29] <PriceChild> ah ok
[03:29] <slylyias> Added the depository to apt-get.
[03:29] <nalioth> slylyias: did port 8001 not work for you?
[03:29] <PriceChild> I'm n ot sure what you meant a minute ago...
[03:29] <PriceChild> *repository
[03:30] <PriceChild> "sudo apt-get update" - will update your apt database
[03:31] <slylyias> nalioth: I tried it in konversation, and couldn't connect.
[03:31] <slylyias> updated
[03:32] <RoyB72> slylyias: I followed the instructions in the link I gave u, and all worked fine.. now I just use the Envy prog to update my nVidia drivers...
[03:32] <RoyB72> and I'm as noob as u are
[03:32] <RoyB72> probably worse
[03:36] <PriceChild> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic build-essential gcc xserver-xorg-dev pkg-config
[03:36] <PriceChild> whoops not that.
[03:36] <slylyias> oh, okay
[03:36] <PriceChild> sudo apt-get install linux-generic nvidia-glx
[03:37] <slylias_8001> Ah ha! Bye Bye tor!
[03:37] <PriceChild> lol
[03:38] <slylyias> sudo apt-get install linux-generic nvidia-glx
[03:38] <slylyias> After unpacking 27.0MB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:38] <slylyias> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y
[03:38] <slylyias> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[03:38] <slylyias>   linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-generic nvidia-glx
[03:38] <slylyias> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?
[03:38] <slylyias> E: Some packages could not be authenticated
[03:38] <slylyias> 
[03:38] <slylyias> I don't know if that means they were intalled or not
[03:38] <PriceChild> They weren't
[03:39] <PriceChild>  wget -O- --quiet http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg | sudo apt-key add -
[03:39] <slylyias> OK
[03:40] <PriceChild> basically your machine reads the signing to make sure the download has come from where it says its from
[03:40] <slylyias> done
[03:40] <PriceChild> try again :)
[03:40] <slylyias> PGP kinda key?
[03:40] <PriceChild> Yeah
[03:40] <slylyias> ah
[03:40] <slylyias> installing btw
[03:40] <slylias_8001> this is like the biggest package I've ever installed
[03:41] <slylias_8001> or a reallllly slow server, lol
[03:41] <slylias_8001> while this updates, can I talk about something else with you PriceChild ?
[03:41] <PriceChild> yeah sure
[03:42] <slylias_8001> I got 3 issues keeping me from using linux full-time instead of XP
[03:42] <slylias_8001> this is #1
[03:42] <slylias_8001> I have an external NTFS hard drive I need to be able to use (USB 250gig drive)
[03:42] <slylias_8001> And I need my TV tuner to work properly
[03:42] <slylias_8001> can those be done?
[03:43] <PriceChild> "yes"
[03:43] <RoyB72> I got a similar problem.. can I write to NTFS drives?
[03:43] <PriceChild> !ntfs-3g
[03:43] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[03:43] <RoyB72> thx
[03:44] <PriceChild> be careful wit hit ;)
[03:44] <PriceChild> back up all data
[03:44] <nalioth> RoyB72: be very careful
[03:44] <RoyB72> is it really that unstable?
[03:44] <PriceChild> if you tv tuner works out the box like mine then good... if not then I don't think I'll be much help
[03:44] <nalioth> RoyB72: the best way to write to an NTFS drive is by using Windows(tm)
[03:44] <RoyB72> duhhh... hehe
[03:44] <PriceChild> RoyB72, its at "Release Candidate" stage afaik. Extensive tests show its good however....
[03:44] <slylyias> Can I convert an NTFS drive to FAT and just save all these headaches?
[03:45] <RoyB72> but I'd like to write some small files to my larger drives
[03:45] <PriceChild> It is not based on MS's specs and is basically all guesswork
[03:45] <PriceChild> so some may be wrong ;)
[03:45] <PriceChild> slylyias, no can do sorry
[03:45] <slylyias> Can I banish microsoft to the farthest corners of the earth for having proprietary file systems?
[03:46] <RoyB72> hmm... guess I can wait with that then
[03:46] <PriceChild> You can try :)
[03:46] <RoyB72> lol
[03:46] <slylyias> I just wanna get READ access to this drive! it's mounted but owned by root
[03:47] <slylyias> so when I try to sudo chmod on it I get an error because it's read only!
[03:47] <PriceChild> slylyias, did you mount it manually or was it automounted?
[03:47] <slylyias> manually
[03:48] <slylyias> I think
[03:48] <PriceChild> using /etc/fstab ?
[03:48] <slylyias> I tried to fix it myself, so who knows what I did.
[03:48] <slylyias> lol
[03:48] <slylyias> yes
[03:48] <RoyB72> u lost me there guys...
[03:48] <nalioth> slylyias: DO NOT chmod things
[03:49] <slylyias> btw, aptitude is up to 60%
[03:49] <nalioth> 1: windows has no idea about linux permissions
[03:49] <slylyias> why's that?
[03:49] <nalioth> 2: done incorrectly, chmod will totally wreck your system
[03:50] <slylyias> Okay, so what do I do now? (the drive still works under windows)
[03:50] <PriceChild> pastebin your /etc/fstab
[03:50] <slylyias> probably because chmod failed
[03:50] <slylyias> (how sad is it that I'm a comp sci major?)
[03:50] <slylyias> what's the hotkey for a new terminal window?
[03:51] <slylyias> I'm tired of reaching for the mouse, it's all the way like, three inches away.
[03:52] <RoyB72> I get this msg on youtube site: Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Get the latest flash player.
[03:53] <slylias_8001> I'm still here, btw
[03:53] <RoyB72> don't work going to the link
[03:53] <slylias_8001> just closed the tor copy
[03:53] <PriceChild> !flash9 > RoyB72 (see the pm from ubotu)
[03:53] <PriceChild> ok
[03:53] <PriceChild> slylias_8001, how's install going?
[03:53] <slylias_8001> 97%
[03:54] <slylyias> done!
[03:54] <slylyias> now what should I do?
[03:54] <PriceChild> installed also?
[03:54] <slylyias> huh?
[03:55] <PriceChild> nevermind... you have the prompt back?
[03:55] <slylyias> yes
[03:55] <PriceChild> ok
[03:55] <PriceChild> I want you to write the following command down...
[03:55] <slylyias> okay...
[03:56] <PriceChild> If things fail, you will need to type it into the terminal to reset things
[03:56] <PriceChild> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[03:56] <slylyias> Okay, I'm making an alias for it in bash_profile so I can't forget (And don't have to type later)
[03:56] <PriceChild> write it down anyway just incase ;)
[03:56] <PriceChild> better safe than sorry
[03:57] <PriceChild> If X does not restart, you will have to CTRL+ALT+F1, log in, type that command.
[03:57] <slylyias> Okay
[03:57] <slylyias> Written down
[03:57] <PriceChild> then restart X with "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[03:58] <PriceChild> you need them both written down really...
[03:58] <slylyias> Done
[03:58] <slylyias> Btw, what is Cntrl + alt + f1 do?
[03:58] <slylyias> does, even
[03:58] <PriceChild> try it.... ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to gui
[03:59] <slylyias> Ah, it drops me back to the console
[03:59] <slylyias> I like it!
[03:59] <PriceChild> "sudo nvidia-xconfig" should edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the correct setup. CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE will then restart your X server... losing all open windows.
[03:59] <slylyias> Okay, all the 'if stuff dies" is done, :)
[03:59] <slylyias> so I should close all running programs first, right?
[04:00] <PriceChild> Might as well
[04:00] <slylyias> brb
[04:10] <slylyias> Okay, I'm on my laptop, this as you can guess, is a BAD thing.
[04:10] <PriceChild> what happenned? :(
[04:10] <slylyias> I'm at the terminal screen, and there is no -reconfigure option for dpkg!
[04:10] <nalioth> slylyias: sure there is
[04:11] <nalioth> sudo dpkg-reconfigure blah lah
[04:11] <PriceChild> dpkg-reconfigure is its own command... not dpkg -reconfigure
[04:11] <slylyias> oh, no space!
[04:11] <slylyias> lol
[04:11] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[04:11] <slylyias> Also, is there a way for me to try to restart the x server without reconfiguring it?
[04:11] <slylyias> just wanna give it a second chance
[04:11] <PriceChild> but hopefully I can get you rescued till then
[04:11] <nalioth> slylyias: ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:12] <PriceChild> "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" or the above
[04:12] <PriceChild> (i said gdm earlier sorry, should be kdm as you are on kubuntu)
[04:12] <slylyias> Okay, I got the dos-like screen
[04:13] <slylyias> should I choose VESA? (I hope not)
[04:13] <PriceChild> choose nv
[04:13] <slylyias> oh, I chose nvidia
[04:14] <slylyias> okay, hold on, will start over
[04:14] <PriceChild> nvidia is the driver you just installed which you said broke...
[04:14] <slylyias> restarting kdm
[04:14] <slylyias> with nv
[04:15] <slylyias> okay I'm in
[04:15] <PriceChild> wooo :)
[04:15] <PriceChild> now reeeeally quickly...
[04:15] <slylyias> yes?
[04:16] <PriceChild> pastebin the ouput of "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old"
[04:16] <PriceChild> so we can see what went wrong :)
[04:16] <PriceChild> but I really have to go soon... :P
[04:16] <PriceChild> BTW I did tell you earlier that the 7800 causes troubles for people ;)
[04:17] <slylyias2> can you repeat what to pastebin?
[04:17] <PriceChild> pastebin the ouput of "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old"
[04:17] <PriceChild> !paste
[04:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:18] <slylyias2> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11933/
[04:20] <PriceChild> I've not seen that before... and I'm sorry I "really" have to go.
[04:21] <slylyias2> anyone else you know that would be willing to help me?
[04:21] <slylyias2> thank you though
[04:21] <PriceChild> Well as I said earlier... those drivers are "unsupported"
[04:22] <slylyias> Okay, well, with getting my fstab done right so I can read off the NTFS drive?
[04:22] <PriceChild> You've got to find someone nice :) I don't know who's online atm though sorry
[04:22] <slylyias> Okay, thank you
[04:22] <PriceChild> !mountwindows
[04:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[04:22] <PriceChild> sorry
[04:22] <slylyias> !fuse
[04:22] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[05:57] <RoyB72> got a quick question for those still awake...
[05:59] <RoyB72> why do I get the error: Requested audio codec family [mp3]  (afm=mp3lib) not available. Enable it at compilation.
[05:59] <RoyB72> but I can still listen to mp3.. just get this error everytime it starts on one
[06:01] <RoyB72> and a second question.. how can I make the sound go to S/PDIF?
[06:02] <RoyB72> tried all the links... think I installed all that got anything to do with mp3... ;)
[07:47] <RoyB72> goodnight then..
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