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bddebianLaserJock: pongeage ->12:20
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pirastcould anyone please apply the diff in bug 45909? thanks12:49
UbugtuMalone bug 45909 in Baltix "ndisgtk doesn't install driver" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4590912:49
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sladenpirast: ndisgtk is in universe, it would be best to ask in #ubuntu-motu first01:20
pirastsladen, isn't this #ubuntu-motu? :P01:21
TheMusoThats what I thought. :)01:21
sladengah! :)01:21
sladenpirast: okay, that looks very minimal01:22
pirastit is :)01:22
sladenpirast: I take it that you've tested the change? :)01:22
pirastsladen, sure, also there is not a lot that can break :)01:23
pirastndisgtk is not in a very usable state currently01:23
pirastit does not list anything01:23
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sladenpirast: uploaded01:29
pirastsladen, thx :) asking since 2 days :)01:30
pirast*for01:30
sladenpirast: made me figure out how to do a sponsored upload too01:30
sladenI've got it in my ~/.devscripts now01:30
StevenKsladen: It's just signing your key to someone else's name.01:31
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ash211hello all03:10
ash211I'm having troubles with xine 1.1.2 in edgy that are fixed in 1.1.403:11
imbrandonheya ajmitch ash211 03:11
ash211but 1.1.4 is only in feisty03:11
ash211hey imbrandon03:11
ash211could someone please walk me through the process of backporting that feisty package to edgy?03:11
imbrandonyou would have to rebuild anything that uses xine , and in kde thats just about everything03:12
ash211it's about dvd audio sync: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33819103:12
ash211in that ubuntuforums thread kenno just compiles it straight from xinehq and seems to be successful03:12
ash211phenest had success too03:13
ash211but I don't want to circumvent apt if I don't have to :)03:14
imbrandonyou could try jdons prevu but its not supported, and i've never used it myself, other than that you just have to grab it from feisty, rebuild it as normal, then rebuild anything that depends on it03:15
ash211sorry, where's jdon's preview?03:16
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imbrandonash211, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26868703:17
ash211thanks03:17
Lathiatcan anyone here remind me of the program that is quite popular for editing/cutting video encoding it etc03:17
imbrandonajmitch, hehe i'm installing sid on a cfcard, and working on some unmet deps03:17
Lathiatits a gui03:17
Lathiatmental blank++03:17
RAOFLathiat: Kino?03:17
Lathiatnah not kino03:17
imbrandonkino?03:17
RAOF:)03:18
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Lathiatmaybe i shoudl check one of those third party multipedia debian repos im sure it'l be in one of those ot remidn me its name ;p03:18
ash211cinerella ?03:18
Lathiatnope03:19
ash211cinelerra: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/03:19
ash211hmm03:19
Lathiatavidemux!03:19
Lathiati think thats the one03:19
Lathiatyes, this is the one03:20
imbrandonoh i thought you said popular , e.g. kino ;)03:20
Lathiatheh03:21
Lathiatkino refused to import kaffeines record03:21
Lathiati tried that03:21
Lathiatavidemux has worked great for me in the past03:21
imbrandonright but "works for me" != popular , kino it quite largely used 03:22
imbrandon:)03:22
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LaserJockhi imbrandon 03:32
imbrandonheya LaserJock 03:33
ajmitchLaserJock!03:34
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imbrandonugh , ummm racarr , round ?03:36
RAOFMan, #ubuntu+1's S/N goes down after beta release :)03:36
bddebianheh03:36
imbrandonracarr, neither beryl,bery-kubuntu, nor bery-ubuntu depend on beryl-manager, thus sudo apt-get install beryl-kubuntu wont work alone03:37
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HobbseeRAOF: yup03:38
imbrandonajmitch, hehe03:38
ajmitchimbrandon: considering I'm using compiz already03:38
ajmitchHobbsee!03:38
imbrandonprobably not then ajmitch 03:38
bddebianajmitch: no03:38
Hobbseeajmitch!03:39
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ajmitchbddebian: k03:39
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ajmitchheh03:39
imbrandonugh, that was bad03:41
imbrandonbrb03:41
LaserJockhi ajmitch 03:45
imbrandonwtf is "error 16: inconsistant filesystem structure" right after you choose a kernel03:50
Fujitsuimbrandon: In GRUB?03:51
imbrandonajmitch, ^^ did you flatmate ever see that after installing to a cf card ?03:51
imbrandonFujitsu, i'm not sure if its from grub or the kernel, i am assuming grub because i can hit a key and get back to the grub menu03:51
imbrandonits a fresh edgy install to a cfcard03:51
FujitsuYou might want to fsck that card, I think.03:52
imbrandonthe only strange thing i did was noatime03:52
imbrandonon the /03:52
imbrandonother than that a normal insta;l;03:52
FujitsuIt's not getting to the stage where it would be reading fstab, so that's not the issue.03:52
imbrandontrue03:52
ajmitchmaybe you didn't change partition type or something silly03:53
FujitsuIs popcon on by default now?03:54
ajmitcheg you formatted it as ext3, partition table still says fat03:54
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bddebianAck, audacity is a crimsun package, I ain't touchin' that one :-)04:30
bddebianOK, gcc-h8300-hms versioning is a little whacky04:38
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tonyyarussoLaserJock: You were the one that's a SoC mentor, right?04:55
LaserJockyeah05:05
LaserJockI'm a mentor05:06
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LaserJocklol05:06
LaserJockI just needed a new t-shirt05:06
LaserJock;-)05:07
bddebianheh05:07
tonyyarussoLaserJock: I'm wondering if there's a way to search for and track submitted ideas?05:08
LaserJockall I've found is a list of student applications05:09
tonyyarussoThat's a start05:09
LaserJocktonyyarusso: what do you need?05:12
tonyyarussoLaserJock: I was told on hearsay that something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GaimCalendarAutoAways might be maybe happening, and I wanted to keep tabs05:12
LaserJockI don't really see much like that05:18
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superm1imbrandon, you in right now?05:33
bddebianGah, fscking packages05:38
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tonyyarussocore-utils?05:38
bddebiangcc-h8300-hms05:39
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bddebianheh06:07
BurgundaviaFujitsu: I went through and nuked all tags that only had one bug on them a few weeks ago06:09
FujitsuCan you actually get rid of them?06:09
FujitsuThey don't vanish from the list, AFAIK :(06:09
Burgundaviano, they06:10
Burgundaviathey don't06:10
Burgundaviabasically, you have to "create" tags06:10
Burgundaviawhich is utterly cracked06:10
FujitsuThat's a good idea, I think.06:10
FujitsuBut not as it is now.06:11
Burgundaviawatching launchpad dev is like watching a blind person try and figure out how to paint the colour purple06:11
FujitsuOr similar, yes.06:11
bddebianhehe06:11
FujitsuIMO, only ubuntu-qa should be able to create new tags.06:11
FujitsuOthers can add existing ones, but that's it.06:11
FujitsuThat would mean we wouldn't have tags for versions or packages.06:12
Fujitsuor stdio.h06:12
Fujitsuor getline.06:12
FujitsuThe tags portlet is a semi-complete dictionary. It shouldn't be.06:12
Burgundaviano, tags should freeform06:14
Burgundaviahowever, we need a tag cloud06:14
Burgundaviaand a way to view new tags06:14
Burgundaviaplus tags needs to be viewable on the main bug page06:14
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StevenKbug 8965406:21
UbugtuMalone bug 89654 in wordpress "wordpress needs security updates in dapper and edgy?" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8965406:21
StevenKFujitsu: Done.06:22
FujitsuThanks StevenK.06:23
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FujitsuUploaded anything yet?06:23
=== StevenK pushes Fujitsu off. Get your own. :-P
StevenKNo, not yet.06:23
StevenKSuggestions welcome. :-)06:23
bddebianOMG, they've given StevenK the wand too?? :-)06:24
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StevenKbddebian: You must have missed the memo.06:26
bddebianStevenK: Obviously.  When was this?06:26
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Lathiatfuck me06:26
Lathiathas wordpress got enough security bugs06:26
Lathiatis that the package they security team wants to remove from etch06:26
FujitsuLathiat: It's PHP, what do you expect?06:27
Lathiatthis is true06:27
FujitsuFortunately nodnarbmi isn't around to tell me off :P06:27
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benbanyone here from Melbourne, Australia?06:28
Lathiatnot i06:28
Lathiatperth06:28
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StevenKbddebian: Two days ago.06:28
TheMusoStevenK: Did I read incorrectly, or are you a core dev now?06:28
StevenKTheMuso: I am, yes.06:28
TheMusoStevenK: COngratulations!06:29
Lathiatok whos crazy idea was that ;)06:29
StevenKDoes anybody read memos? :-P06:29
bddebianWTF?  Man I am really missing the boat06:29
StevenKTheMuso: Thanks. :-)06:29
Lathiati think your missing more than a boat bddebian 06:29
StevenKbddebian: It helps that I've been a DD for 6 years.06:29
Lathiatdont tell me you were FAST TRACKED06:30
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Fujitsubenb: Where in Melbourne are you?06:30
StevenKLathiat: I doubt it.06:30
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benbHawthorn06:30
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StevenKFujitsu: That's some arm you have.06:30
bddebianUhm, I have no e-mail06:30
LathiatStevenK: yeh, 'snot bad06:30
FujitsuIt's just Perth, StevenK. Not toooo far.06:30
Lathiatmissed by about, what, 4500Ks? :)06:30
bddebianStevenK: Well congrats06:30
bddebianLathiat: Thx man06:30
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Lathiatbddebian: nps, i try...06:31
Lathiatgutter->remove(stevenk->mind())06:31
Fujitsubenb: So, you wanted to know about becoming a developer?06:31
StevenKLathiat: C, or Perl?06:31
benbyeah06:31
benbdefinately06:31
FujitsuStevenK: Java.06:31
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Fujitsubenb: You might want to look at the first link in the topic.06:32
StevenKbenb: You're not Ben Burton, are you?06:32
Lathiatas if i'd enpart MORE JAVA onto the world06:32
benbStevenK: nope06:32
FujitsuLathiat: Come on... Java rocks! Best thing in the world.06:32
bddebian*cough*06:32
StevenKbenb: Right. I know a benb from Debian circles, and was just wondering.06:32
StevenKbenb: The first thing you want is a Launchpad account.06:33
benbfrom what I have read so far, I am guessing it is preferable to work *with* a MOTU.  true?06:34
LaserJockI'd say work with *the* MOTU :-)06:35
StevenKYes, there being about 60 of us.06:35
FujitsuLaserJock: Has the right idea.06:35
FujitsuStevenK: *choke*06:35
bddebianWow, I can disappear now, coolio06:35
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StevenKFujitsu: Hum?06:36
StevenKI'm remembering wrongly, aren't I?06:36
Fujitsu60 officially, perhaps. In practice, there are much fewer...06:36
StevenKMmm06:37
benb60 devs or less produce ubuntu?06:37
LaserJockless, in general06:37
LaserJockbut we have quite a number of community contributors06:37
benbcommunity contributors are generally not MOTU's?06:39
LaserJockbenb: no06:39
poningrukeep in mind also that most of the software has other developers06:39
Fujitsubenb: MOTU are all community members.06:39
LaserJockMOTUs are all volunteers06:39
poningrui.e kernel06:39
poningruhas about a gajillion devs upstream06:40
LaserJockbut there are also community contributors who are not MOTUs06:40
LaserJockeither MOTU Hopefuls (on their way) or just occasional contributors06:40
TheMusoSpeaking of which, what do others think about seeing if John Wendle wants to go for MOTU? I have seen him upload a lot of debdiffs recently, and his work generally looks good, but I don't know how long he has been around doing this stuff, as I only joined universe sponsors recently.06:41
sladenhas he had those debdiffs uploaded?06:44
bddebianGoddamn it, I'm confusing StevenK with ScottK again.. Grrr06:45
bddebianAs long as it's some highly visible package, who cares? :-)06:46
TheMusosladen: I have done a few, but haven't looked to see if the rest have.06:46
superm1TheMuso, while on subject.  I'm wondering whether it is worth my going for MOTU yet given my work towards mythtv packages the last 9 months or so and other minor small packages that i've done06:47
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superm1given the silence in response, i'm not sure as to interpret that as a no you shouldnt, or just not qualified to answer?06:55
crimsunsuperm1: caveat: I'm on motu-council, so the following statement should not be taken to represent its opinion: I'd encourage you to apply.06:56
superm1crimsun, ah okay.  06:56
superm1crimsun, thanks crimsun06:56
crimsunsuperm1: remember to CC your sponsors in your application06:57
superm1will do06:57
crimsunTheMuso: again, with the above caveat, if he feels comfortable applying, encourage him to do so06:57
TheMusocrimsun: Of course.07:01
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Amaranth;)07:15
Amaranthimbrandon: are you going to seville?07:16
imbrandonprobably not07:16
Amaranthaww07:16
imbrandondont worry you'll see my ugly face in portland and boston :P07:17
Amarantherr07:18
Amaranthyou won't see mine07:18
Amaranthbecause i have no idea what you're talking about :)07:18
imbrandonUDS 7.10 == boston , portland is Ubuntu Live! in July07:18
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StevenKActually, Boston will be for 8.0407:20
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imbrandon?07:20
imbrandonwhere is 7.1007:20
StevenKSeville07:20
imbrandonaww, ok07:20
imbrandonyou know what i ment ;)07:21
StevenKHeh07:21
StevenKimbrandon: How goes the Python conversion?07:21
Amaranthwell, hopefully in can make it to boston anyway :)07:21
imbrandoni fell asleep and dident start it 07:21
imbrandonheh07:21
Amaranthpython conversion? i'm interested :)07:21
Amaranthconversion of what?07:21
imbrandona simple bash script07:21
imbrandonStevenK, wanna do it ? hehe07:23
imbrandons/do/start07:25
superm1imbrandon, i was looking into cms' - could you tell me a little more about the env on your server?  mysql on it? php5 etc?07:35
imbrandonsuperm1, the webserver? i can install what ever you want, its a ubuntu edgy box ;) but yes php5 mysql etc etc etc, i would use drupal07:36
imbrandonby far the best non-blog software imho07:36
superm1yea i was just looking at drupal07:36
superm1it looks very slick07:36
superm1(fluxbuntu.org i was looking at)07:36
imbrandonubuntuwire.com ubuntu.com are both drupal too07:36
imbrandonalong with tons of others07:36
superm1awesome07:36
superm1should i try to set up local before hand and sync, or just worry about it after you get me a connection to the server (eg is it time consuming to setup)07:37
imbrandonit takes about 5 whole minutes07:37
imbrandonlol07:37
superm1lol07:38
superm1okay :)07:38
joejaxxlol07:38
imbrandonbut i'll have to do it in 12 hours, i have everything ready now ( hardware wise ) for you and the base install done, but i cant mess with it anymore untill i get off work07:38
superm1ah okay07:38
superm1not a problem07:38
superm1i should get rest anyhow :)07:38
imbrandon:)07:38
superm1okay on that note i'm out, night all07:39
crimsunhah, brandon got a person mention in mark's blog07:39
crimsuncompletely neglected the rest of the crew, though :-)07:39
imbrandonhuh ?07:40
crimsunpersonal, even.07:40
crimsunlike, oh, geser, Lutin, etc.07:40
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LaserJockimbrandon: did you see Mark's blog post?07:41
imbrandonoh wow, i dident see he mentioned names07:41
imbrandonyea i glanced at it, dident really read it till now07:41
imbrandonhum, that sucks07:41
imbrandonand pricechild dident even get in on the run but is mentioned07:42
imbrandon...07:42
crimsunthat's ok, we know who did the work, and that's what matters. Granted if we were to properly follow jono's idea, we'd probably throw a trout at Mark and say, "no, really, _these_ are the people..."07:43
imbrandoncrimsun, yup, i was just thinking that07:43
joejaxxcrimsun: i got your answer about alsaconf thanks for that bte07:43
imbrandoni'll have time here in a few minutes to pop a post up07:43
joejaxxbtw*07:43
crimsunjoejaxx: np07:43
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imbrandonugh08:20
imbrandoni give up08:21
imbrandonStevenK, dont make me do this in php ;)08:21
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StevenKimbrandon: Don't you dare! :-P08:21
imbrandonimport os08:22
imbrandonimport urllib08:22
imbrandonh = urllib.urlopen('https://launchpad.net/~motu/')08:22
imbrandonfor line in h.readlines(): print line08:22
imbrandonthats as far as i got08:22
imbrandonheh08:22
imbrandoni know nothing about parsing in python08:22
RAOFYou might want to look at pyparsing08:22
imbrandonheh thats the thing, i dont really wanna learn something, right now its a tool i want to work08:23
RAOFAh, "the computer is a tool" fallacy :)08:23
StevenKimbrandon: import os, urllib :-P08:26
imbrandonsee ;)08:26
StevenKimbrandon: if line.find('<a href') != -1: ?08:28
imbrandonbrandon@voyager:~$ python import_acct.py08:30
imbrandon  File "import_acct.py", line 608:30
imbrandon    if line.find('<a href') != -1: ?08:30
imbrandon                                   ^08:30
imbrandonSyntaxError: invalid syntax08:30
RAOFThat '?' wasn't meant to be there :)08:31
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imbrandonhrm how can i keep appending to a set ?08:48
Fujitsuimbrandon: append()08:51
imbrandonerm not exactly how i thought, man i hate learning shit on the fly08:51
Fujitsu(also: it's a list or a dict, not a set)08:52
FujitsuPython is great once you get started.08:52
imbrandon...08:52
imbrandonso far i see nothing great about it, its "ok" but nothing spectacular over perl/php yet08:52
FujitsuYou're obviously missing something big, then.08:53
crimsunah, the classic language "issue".08:53
imbrandonand no i want a set, not a dict or list08:53
crimsunthere's no single language that works for everything, and most modern languages are at least competent at many tasks08:53
imbrandonFujitsu, ^08:53
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imbrandonyup yup08:54
FujitsuBah, Python is better. QED.08:54
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Fujitsuimbrandon: What do you mean by a set?08:54
imbrandonPython also includes a data type for sets. A set is an unordered collection with no duplicate elements. Basic uses include membership testing and eliminating duplicate entries. Set objects also support mathematical operations like union, intersection, difference, and symmetric difference.08:55
FujitsuAh.08:55
imbrandona "set" datatype08:55
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imbrandonlol08:56
imbrandonFujitsu, you volenteering to make my bash to python ? hehe08:57
FujitsuWhat does it do? Get SSH keys for everyone?08:57
imbrandonyea and make accounts , and update keys 08:58
imbrandonetc08:58
imbrandonfor someone that knows python it should be less than an hour, for me it will be 3 days08:58
ajmitchs/hour/few minutes/09:00
imbrandon:)09:00
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imbrandonFujitsu, i lub you !?!!09:02
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ajmitchFujitsu: wise choice09:05
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FujitsuGrabbing 62 pages from LP over HTTPS doesn't seem particularly quick :-/09:33
ajmitchit'll probably get your ip address banned09:35
ajmitchwhy do you need to fetch these pages?09:35
FujitsuThere's no other way to get +sshkeys, is there?09:35
Fujitsu(24 requests a day seems to be enough to get an IP blocked, so I doubt it's based on load)09:36
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ajmitchah, you're working on that script for imbrandon 09:37
FujitsuPresumably.09:37
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racarrimbrandon: I am now09:46
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imbrandonhum i ran my script that got pages multi times a day10:10
imbrandonand not banned10:10
imbrandonracarr, Fujitsu has my current script 10:10
racarr?10:11
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imbrandonnevermind10:11
racarrHas someone already uploaded the beryl-kubuntu/ubuntu dependency fixes10:11
racarror should I make a debdiff?10:12
imbrandonnope i havent yet i wasent sure the state of the freeze10:12
imbrandonis everytign back up and running ?10:12
racarryeah10:12
imbrandonaquamarine and helidor published?10:12
racarrheliodor yes aquamarine is in binary new10:13
racarrberyl-plugins is in binary new as well10:13
imbrandonahh ok , -settings seemd to have a problem last night too10:13
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RAOFIs there any way to get malone to unpack .crash files attached to LP bugs?10:28
RAOFI've just been hit by bug #67344, and I want to have a look at it.10:29
UbugtuMalone bug 67344 in banshee "Crash while importing / trying to play at the same time" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6734410:29
RAOF...which means that I have a .crash file sitting waiting for me in /var/crash.  Whoops :)10:29
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ajmitchRAOF: sure10:36
ajmitchnot sure how it goes with really old dumps10:37
RAOFShould I just file a new bug to get the apport magic happening?10:37
ajmitchyeah, and tag it with the appropriate tag10:37
RAOFapport-needsretrace?10:37
ajmitchsomething like apport-needs-retrace-i38610:37
ajmitchI can't recall the exact tag10:37
RAOFapport-needs-retrace-amd64?10:38
RAOFProbably on wiki?10:38
racarrI thought it was10:38
ajmitchneed-i386-retrace10:38
racarrneeds-i386-retrace10:38
racarraha10:38
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ajmitchif you have an amd64 dump, use that10:38
ajmitchhaha, a bddebian interview ;)10:39
RAOFneeds-amd64-retrace is the right tag?10:40
ajmitchneed-amd64-retrace10:44
RAOFWow, I'm glad the retrace facility exists.  The stacktrace contains nothing but ?? () :)10:44
StevenKajmitch: Behindubuntu?10:44
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pefhello10:45
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ajmitchStevenK: BehindMOTU10:48
StevenKUh huh10:49
ajmitchby laserjock10:49
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jussi01morning motu's could someone tell me how to decrypt an email messages with my gpg key?11:05
StevenKI save it to disk and then pipe it through gpg11:06
StevenKMy mail client tends to put the full headers and then some through a pipe if I try and pipe it to gpg directly.11:07
racarrecho "message" | gpg -d | figlet (Yes figlet is definitely neccesary)11:08
racarrhttp://debaday.debian.net/2007/03/25/figlet-a-totally-useless-therefore-essential-tool/11:09
racarrpretty brilliant 11:09
StevenKracarr: linda -f figlet11:09
jussi01so i paste the encoded message in the "message" part?11:09
racarrStevenK: ?11:10
StevenKracarr: You don't know what linda is?11:10
racarrI do, but why linda -f figlet?11:10
racarroh, -f is format11:11
StevenKYup11:11
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StevenKTry it. :-)11:11
racarrmm not getting anything have to find a package with some linda warnings11:11
StevenKlibc6.deb is good for that sort of thing. :-/.11:11
StevenKs/\.$//11:11
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racarraha, amazing11:12
Monk-ejussi01, lol you don't want to pipe it through figlet.11:13
StevenKYay the excitement.11:13
racarrlinda -f figlet /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb found a 'few'11:13
racarrStevenK: Almost as great as cowsay11:13
racarrunfourtanetly piping figlet to cowsay doesn't seem to work :(11:14
StevenKracarr: http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/software/tractorgen/11:14
racarrXD11:14
racarrwell, bored with that already11:15
StevenKHah!11:15
racarrhttp://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/figletcowsay11:15
StevenKA neatly lopsided cow11:16
racarrI would try and package a bunch of figlet fonts but I've already lost interest11:17
imbrandonlol11:17
imbrandonhaha that looks like what i used for the motd.tail files on the buildd's11:19
imbrandonheh11:19
stgraberAnyone is also having scroll problem with its touchpad and the latest X in Feisty ? (really slower than before and no more smooth at all)11:24
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sacatergood morning (GMT) everyone!!11:36
sacaterdaylight saving change too :P11:37
stgraberyep11:37
stgraberhi sacater 11:37
sacater:D11:38
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DarkSun88Hello11:58
enyc_DarkSun88: meepmeep11:58
sacaterHey, with Dapper>Edgy, there were big problems, i got them for one :P, there isnt going to be the same thing with pure edgy>feisty is there?11:59
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welshbytemorning all12:48
DarkSun88Any main-sponsor here?12:49
Monk-eAnybody around here from the Games team?12:49
crimsunDarkSun88: yes12:50
FujitsuMonk-e: Quite possibly not, but we all do everything... What do you wish to know/do/whatever?12:50
DarkSun88crimsun: Can you so kind to check this bug? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/check/+bug/9523812:50
UbugtuMalone bug 95238 in check "Please sync check 0.9.4-3 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  12:50
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Monk-eFujitsu, well I'd like to join the Games team, but I still need to learn a bit about packaging.12:51
crimsunDarkSun88: that's a main package; the Maintainer field is incorrect12:52
DarkSun88crimsun: What is the correct mantainer?12:53
crimsunDarkSun88: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField12:54
tsmithehow can i get a list of all my installed packages?12:54
crimsundpkg -l12:54
tsmitheoh of course.12:55
tsmithethanks :)12:55
DarkSun88crimsun: The debdiff is mistake. Please, check the sync.12:55
crimsunDarkSun88: why is the DebianMaintainerField change not relevant? It needs to go in.12:56
crimsunoh, I see, you're saying it's a sync12:56
DarkSun88Yes.12:57
DarkSun88It's a sync12:57
crimsunapproved, u-a subbed.12:59
DarkSun88crimsun: Thank you :)01:00
welshbyteFujitsu: on bug #40782 you told me that i should've subscribed and not assigned u-u-s, but on the wiki but it quite clearly says to assign u-u-s on the wiki ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs )01:00
UbugtuMalone bug 40782 in fceu "No desktop file" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4078201:00
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FujitsuThat's wrong, then.01:01
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welshbyteok, i'll subscribe u-u-s on another bug i assigned to them then01:03
DarkSun88crimsun: The sync is "Fix Released"?01:04
crimsunDarkSun88: no, leave the Status set to Confirmed01:05
crimsunDarkSun88: u-a will set the Status appropriately beyond that01:05
DarkSun88crimsun: Ok, thanks01:05
sacatercan anyone help me connect to another network in irssi, while maintaining freenode.net01:06
crimsun/connect -ircnet somenewname irc.foo.bar01:07
sacaterthanks01:07
sacaterhang on01:07
sacaterwhat does -ircnet stand for01:07
crimsunuse ^x in the status window to switch between servers01:07
crimsunthat's a literal01:07
sacaterhmm01:07
crimsunthe only things you're to substitute are 'somenewname' and 'irc.foo.bar'01:08
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sacatercrimsun: okay it worked, now how do I add it permenantly01:09
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crimsunsacater: configure irssi01:10
sacaterk01:10
jussi01how do we get ubugtu back in #ubuntuforums ???01:14
Monk-ejussi01, lol, we don't.01:16
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gnomefreakjussi01: ask seveas in #ubuntu-ops01:27
imbrandonjussi01, you politely ask Seveas in #ubuntu-bots01:27
gnomefreakor #ubuntu-bots :)01:27
sacaterHow can I get freenode.net to allow me more than 21 channels, there are so many ubuntu channels and xubuntu etc.01:32
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ajmitchsacater: you need to convince a staff member01:34
gnomefreaksacater: you need to ask staff ask someone using /stats p than /msg one of the people it lists01:34
sacaterajmitch: where can I speak with one of these staff members01:34
gnomefreak^^^01:34
gnomefreaksacater: hint. have a great reason01:35
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sacatergnomefreak: what... should I prepare a sppech01:35
gnomefreaksacater: prepare a reason not a speech01:35
sacaterTheMuso: well done, its harder than it looks isnt it01:35
StevenKTheMuso: Nice!01:35
sacatergnomefreak: well i do, i eager to help with ubuntu, motu, and channels like effects, gentoo, geeks etc01:36
TheMusosacater: Harder for me, yes, particularly ensuring the mobo is properly mounted.01:36
TheMusoThe rest is a sinch.01:36
sacaterTheMuso: i hate noobs who screw it in too tight, and crack the mobo01:36
gnomefreaksacater: well if you feel its good enough than try. worst that can happen is they say no01:36
StevenKTheMuso: cinch starts with c. :-P01:37
sacatergnomefreak: what was the command to list the staff01:37
gnomefreaksacater: /stats p01:37
TheMusoStevenK: Ah thanks. The amount of times I use that word in one year can be counted on one hand.01:37
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StevenKTheMuso: I figured that. :-)01:37
gnomefreakdmwaters is only staff online01:37
TheMusoIt was actually Mum's P3 700 box, which was in a full tower/server case, and was moved into a mini tower case.01:38
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TheMusoAnd now I'll make use of the full tower case. :p01:38
sacatergnomefreak: i just did /msg dmwaters I wish to apply for more than 21 channels01:39
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StevenKTheMuso: Who gave you a hand?01:39
TheMusoStevenK: Mother. Just to help me ensure the new case had the brass stand-off pieces in the right place and to line the board up and ensure ports were lined up with I/O shield.01:40
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TheMusoI can do the rest myself.01:40
sacatergnomefreak: i was told to email staff@freenode.net, and tell them why I need more, shall i prepare a speech now01:40
StevenKTheMuso: I'm curious how you hooked up the power button/case lights/etc ...01:41
gnomefreaksacater: he will answer when he gets around to it. you wont always get an answer. best way is if you have a staffer that you deal with on everyday basis. sacater if you wish i just told a friend that is staff why i felt i needed one. if you know a staff memeber now is the time to talk to him01:41
gnomefreakStevenK: there are wires that plug into the mobo behind the buttons01:42
TheMusoStevenK: 1. Look at where previous connectors are located approximately, to know which pin block to use. 2. Use a large diagram of the pinout from mobo manual together with legend indicating LED/switch pinout.01:42
StevenKgnomefreak: I am well aware of that.01:42
TheMusoAnd then use fingers to count pins.01:42
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StevenKTheMuso: That gives you the pins to use and where to plug, but how to tell the difference between the plugs?01:43
TheMusoStevenK: Given enough light, I can read the writing on them if I squint a bit, or I ask for someone to read them.01:43
gnomefreakalot of mobos have them labled somewhere near pins01:44
TheMusognomefreak: I am vision impaired.01:44
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TheMusoBut I would have far less sight than you would.01:45
gnomefreakah01:45
StevenKWhen you talk to TheMuso on IRC, you're really whispering into his ear.01:47
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TheMusoSo going on that, I don't think I could easily install heatsyncs/fans.01:47
TheMusoOr more to the point, ensure thermal paste is applied correctly. :)01:47
TheMusoStevenK: heh01:47
StevenKTheMuso: I think you could deal with a case fan.01:47
TheMusoStevenK: Case fans are no problem, Mum's machine has one, although I have to get a smaller one for the smaller case. :)01:48
StevenKA midi tower case doesn't have a 80mm case fan spot?01:48
StevenKI find that suprising.01:49
TheMusoI think the fan from the other case is a 12cm.01:49
StevenKAhh, 120mm. Right.01:49
TheMusoBut its too big in any case.01:49
StevenKThe machine I'm on now doesn't have a case fan, or indeed, room for one.01:49
sacatergnomefreak: please join #sacater, i want to show you my email to the freenode staff01:54
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imbrandonTheMuso, nah i have 2 x 120mm fans in the servers02:02
imbrandonplus some 80mm ones for the hdd's02:02
imbrandon;)02:02
TheMusoWhere do the 80mm fans mount?02:02
imbrandonunder the hdd02:02
TheMusoAh ok.02:02
imbrandoni must ask, does your speech soft expand user defined vars like hdd to "harddrive" when it talks ?02:03
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imbrandonor better, can it ?02:03
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TheMusoimbrandon: It can if you want it to, but its better that it doesn't.02:03
imbrandonahh ok02:04
TheMusoScreen reader packages for that other OS do it without the user having a say if they want it or not, and its very irritating.02:04
imbrandonheh02:04
TheMusoBecause you don't know what has actually been written, whether its the full text or not.02:04
TheMusoAnd you will only find out if you do a manual review.02:05
imbrandonright02:05
TheMusoHell i've been caught out with package names in here, that have been spelt differently, like a K instead of a C.02:05
TheMusoAs they sound no different.02:06
imbrandonheh , konsole02:06
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imbrandonyup02:06
TheMusoyep it does.02:06
TheMusoI wouldn't have known unless I did a manual review, which I did.02:06
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TheMusoBut in the middle of conversation, tahts not always convenient.02:06
imbrandonvery true02:08
imbrandonFujitsu, i love you 02:08
imbrandonFujitsu, hooked up the buildd's with some python love, now to get it installed and cron'd02:08
sacatergnomefreak: 02:09
sacaterif they deny02:09
sacatercan i just send another, and hope another staffer gets it02:09
Fujitsuimbrandon: No problem. If you need anything else coded, I'll be more than happy to do it.02:09
gnomefreaksacater: that im not sure about. I was never denied :(02:09
StevenKShare!02:10
StevenKI'd like to see the code.02:10
StevenKFujitsu: I'm not sure if those clamav bugs are dupes.02:10
FujitsuStevenK: Which? I haven't touched any in a little while.02:11
imbrandonStevenK, i'll post it in a half sec02:11
imbrandongive me a sec to set the cron02:11
StevenKFujitsu: Bug 8557302:12
UbugtuMalone bug 85573 in clamav "Feisty 0.90~rc3-1ubuntu1 - After install of clamav, Freshclam does not update" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8557302:12
imbrandonStevenK, ajmitch : once an hour to update ssh keys from lp and create new users sound sane ?02:12
StevenKSounds too often to me.02:13
FujitsuStevenK: I'll have a look in a sec.02:13
FujitsuStevenK: But you do whatever you feel is right.02:13
imbrandonStevenK, well its for if someone updates their key on LP too02:13
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imbrandoni dont want them to wait tooooo long02:13
sacaterbddebian: hi!02:13
bddebianHEya gang02:14
bddebianHi sacater02:14
tsmitheHEya bddebian 02:14
FujitsuHi bddebian.02:14
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sacaterHi DarkSun88 02:15
DarkSun88sacater: Hi :)02:15
gnomefreakgood morning bddebian 02:15
bddebianHello tsmithe, Fujitsu, gnomefreak :-)02:16
tsmithe;02:16
tsmithestupid new keyboard02:16
tsmithe* :)02:16
imbrandonStevenK, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11994/02:17
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ajmitchimbrandon: if they update their key on lp they can wait, it won't happen often02:18
imbrandontrue, hum ok , then ...... 1 time a day ?02:18
ajmitchespecially as you're scraping the keys out for many users at a time02:18
Fujitsu90 requests an hour might not be liked by the LP people.02:20
StevenKFujitsu: It looks neat, though. Sensible, and more importantly, not shell.02:21
imbrandonlol02:22
ajmitchFujitsu: I'm sure they won't mind much :)02:22
FujitsuIt should be a little more flexible now, and demangles SSH keys.02:22
imbrandonfaster too02:22
Fujitsuajmitch, StevenK: It's the same number of requests as the old one.02:22
ajmitchideally LP would just give you username+ssh keys for the team02:22
ajmitchI know it's the same number, doesn't make it nice though02:22
FujitsuThey give OpenPGP key ID in +rdf, but not SSH :(02:22
ajmitchI know02:23
imbrandonyea a nice xml-rpc would be nice02:23
ajmitchand that is irritating02:23
FujitsuAll the non-browser-based stuff has been left for dead.02:23
StevenKFujitsu: You need to learn list comprehension. :-P02:23
FujitsuStevenK: Where?02:23
ajmitchlist comprehensions are great :)02:23
StevenKI'm waiting for it to break and imbrandon to be left dazed and confused.02:23
imbrandonheh02:23
imbrandoni can read python , just not code it02:24
imbrandon;)02:24
ajmitchimbrandon: get a few of these for ubuntuwire.com: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/21/supermicro_blade/02:24
StevenKFujitsu: for i in memberlinks and for i in user.keys()02:24
StevenKFujitsu: That's what map() is for. :-P02:24
imbrandonajmitch, nice02:24
StevenKAnd if you tell me map() is bad, I'll slap you.02:24
ajmitchmap is bad02:24
bddebianmap is bad02:25
ajmitchbddebian: enough of that02:25
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ajmitchnice simple ways of getting differences between two lists, etc02:26
=== StevenK likes Set() for that.
ajmitch[for x in list1 if x not in list2] 02:26
FujitsuNice.02:26
ajmitchsets are limited in how you can manipulate them02:26
FujitsuI should probably eliminate that code execution vulnerability... Hm...02:26
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FujitsuAnybody know the set of valid characters in a LP username?02:27
ajmitchpython has gained quite a few nice features in recent releases02:27
StevenKFujitsu: I'm guessing [A-Za-z0-9-+] 02:27
FujitsuProbably something like that.02:27
StevenKFujitsu: You also don't deal with the case that adduser fails, or such02:28
=== StevenK is reminded of a discussion at uni, "What do you mean, malloc() could fail?"
FujitsuIt'll print an error, but won't fail... True.02:29
racarroO02:29
ajmitchStevenK: disturbing02:29
bddebianStevenK: heh02:29
racarrthat's scary02:29
StevenKajmitch: Very02:29
racarrStevenK: Sounds like something for www.thedailywtf.com :p02:29
imbrandonsee Fujitsu i told you this should be gpl and packaged 02:29
imbrandon;)02:29
StevenKHeh02:29
imbrandonthen everyone can fix it ;)02:30
StevenKFujitsu: And add a copyright. :-P02:30
=== Fujitsu puts it under MS Shared Source.
imbrandonStevenK, yea i told him i'm gonna add his copyright and gpl header to it02:30
StevenK"This code can be hacked on and extended by everyone. Except imbrandon."02:30
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imbrandonhahahaha02:30
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FujitsuStevenK: I like that one.02:31
imbrandonmalloc() can file ? /me ducks02:31
=== Fujitsu locates a copy of the preamble.
ajmitchimbrandon: 640K is enough02:31
imbrandon:)02:31
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cbx33hey all on ubuntu edgy live cd....mouse and keyboard are really really slo02:32
imbrandonand 4x quad core chips in EACH blade "?\02:32
=== ajmitch digs up some python code to hack on
cbx33they are usb02:32
imbrandonnice02:32
cbx33any reason you guys know of?02:33
cbx33I came up again this before02:33
ajmitchcbx33: accelerate them at 9.8ms^-202:33
imbrandoncbx33, not enough memory ?02:33
cbx33doubtfu02:33
cbx3351202:33
gnomefreak+1 to memeory02:33
cbx33and the pci netcard doesn't respond02:33
cbx33it worked fine yesterday02:33
gnomefreakcbx33: livecd im sure is using most of that02:33
imbrandon512 is minimul for a livecd imho02:34
imbrandonminimum*02:34
cbx33yes02:34
cbx33but it shuld be 1 sec updates to mouse movement02:34
cbx33shouldn't02:34
imbrandonhave you been running OO.o or something 02:34
imbrandonheh02:34
cbx33no02:35
cbx33:p02:35
gnomefreakusb mouse or ps mouse02:35
gnomefreaki would try reboot to see if it clears anything cached in memory maybe?02:36
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Fujitsuajmitch: Ew, why?02:36
ajmitcheither that or I reboot so that I can get vmware working02:37
ajmitchwhich is a bit annoying02:37
cbx33reboot does nothing02:37
Nafalloajmitch: lp has them :-)02:37
cbx33this does it in install or live02:37
ajmitchNafallo: LP does do garbage collection02:37
FujitsuThat's bad.02:38
imbrandonajmitch, how old?02:38
Nafalloajmitch: still has all the old ones. if you find the buildlog, and then click resulting binaries02:38
StevenKcbx33: Does 'dmesg' in a terminal give any hints? I remember something similar on another machine.02:38
cbx33just rebooting after pci card switching mess ;)02:38
imbrandonajmitch, aurora might have them02:38
imbrandoni need to reboot it soon anyhow for a kernel upgrade02:38
ajmitch2.6.20-6-generic02:39
bddebianajmitch: btw if you ever do make notes on your page, it looks like brickos can't go up until the gcc-h8300-hms goes up02:39
cbx33uhci_hcd unlick after no-IRQ02:39
cbx33Controller is probably using wrong IRQ02:39
ajmitchNafallo: and no, it doesn't have *all* the old ones, afaict02:39
cbx33that it?02:39
TheMusoHow is a case fan measured? I am guessing its diagnally, but is it from one corner to the other, including screw holes?02:39
FujitsuWe have preamble and copyright info (what a functional improvement!) at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11997/02:39
Nafalloajmitch: I'll check02:39
StevenKTheMuso: Close enough.02:39
imbrandonTheMuso, yea02:40
TheMusoStevenK: Thanks.02:40
FujitsuI would have thought it would have been side length, but I know nothing.02:40
=== StevenK quotes Fujitsu out of context again.
imbrandonFujitsu, hehe i'll update the server02:40
ajmitchFujitsu: you're sounding like bddebian 02:40
Nafalloajmitch: linux-headers?02:40
ajmitchNafallo: yes...02:40
Nafalloajmitch: https://beta.launchpad.net/+builds/+build/297124/linux-headers-2.6.20-6-generic02:41
=== Fujitsu isn't a hardware person.
Nafallohttp://librarian.launchpad.net/6025232/linux-headers-2.6.20-6-generic_2.6.20-6.11_i386.deb02:41
Nafallofor directlinking... ;-)02:41
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cbx33lots of IRQ problems02:41
cbx33maybe the mobo is bust02:42
Nafallohttp://librarian.launchpad.net/6019689/linux-headers-2.6.20-6-generic_2.6.20-6.11_amd64.deb02:42
ajmitchthanks02:42
Nafallonp :-)02:42
NafalloLP has _everything_ :-)02:42
FujitsuNafallo: Except for the features we need.02:42
ajmitchit has been stated that the LP librarian does do garbage collection :)02:42
StevenKOooh, burn02:42
ajmitchso don't expect things to stay around forever02:43
Fujitsuajmitch: I don't believe it does it in practice these days.02:43
Fujitsu(there's a heap of old stuff around)02:43
ajmitchFujitsu: I wonder when they'll run out of diskspace :)02:43
Nafalloajmitch: sure, but there are still pages linking to the stuff, so probely not old builds ;-)02:43
imbrandonwhen Fujitsu stops makin hdd's02:43
Nafallohaha02:43
FujitsuI wonder if I still have that HDD around somewhere...02:44
imbrandonthe one with the LP beta source ?02:44
FujitsuThat'd be very nice, but no.02:44
ajmitchgar, vmware modules failed to build now02:47
Fujitsuajmitch: There's a patch floating around for that.02:47
Nafallo...and a beta of vmware where it's fixed AFAIK02:48
ajmitchFujitsu: depends what the problem is02:48
imbrandonajmitch, yea vmware modules ftbfs on feisty kernels , you have to mess with the vmon modules02:49
imbrandonone sec02:49
=== bddebian wonders why gcc-h8300-hms reverted back to gcc 3.4.6 from 4.1??
ajmitchbddebian: read the bug info, it tells you why02:49
imbrandonajmitch, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2127036&postcount=502:50
FujitsuI seem to remember that that h8300 bug didn't affect what I was doing with it... But that's as far as I can remember.02:50
=== ajmitch is grabbing a new vmware server anyway
TheMusoNight folks.02:52
ajmitchnight TheMuso 02:52
FujitsuNight TheMuso.02:52
sacaterNi02:52
sacater:P02:52
imbrandongnight TheMuso 02:52
sacaterNight02:52
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imbrandon0 5     * * *   root    python /usr/local/sbin/lpusers02:52
imbrandonerr02:52
Nafallo"folks" that can't have been for me then ;-)02:52
ajmitch330K/sec seems slow02:52
=== Nafallo is more like a creature :-P
=== ajmitch really hopes telecom gets moving with adsl2+
imbrandoni onyl get about 330 from the official archives thats one reason i made my mirror02:53
imbrandonin the first place02:53
FujitsuI get about 1MB/s from the Optus mirror, 'cause I'm on Optus.02:53
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imbrandonnow its listed in the official list on LP , woot , hehhe02:53
bddebianajmitch: Aye, I guess my question was more, why not fix brickos :-)02:53
FujitsuThey also host a releases.u.c mirror, so I can grab an ISO in 9.5 minutes.02:54
ajmitch330K/sec is max speed I can get right now02:54
bddebianstupid epoching02:54
ajmitchbddebian: you'll live02:54
bddebianSure will 'cause I've decided not to touch it :-)02:55
ajmitchracarr: interesting mail about the beryl merge/non-merge/whatever is happening ;)02:55
racarrajmitch: Thanks, I wanted to make sure things were...clear02:55
racarrbecause it's sure to raise a lot of controversy and argument, so02:55
StevenKFujitsu: I can generate an alternative ISO is about 10 minutes.02:56
StevenKHrm, I need to figure out how to get my mirror to grab installer stuff too.02:56
FujitsuAh, but you can't do that to a desktop CD.02:56
=== Fujitsu wins.
StevenKFujitsu: Yeah yeah. I download those at work.02:56
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ajmitchhopefully this one will work & I can get windows back ;)02:57
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StevenKYou're smiling about getting Windows back?02:58
Nafallohaha02:58
shawarmaHm... i thought we were removing the php4 packages.. What's php4-sqlite still doing there?02:59
ajmitchyep!02:59
ajmitchStevenK: wouldn't you be happy?03:00
=== shawarma smells a trick question..
StevenKajmitch: Probably not. :-P03:00
=== ajmitch probably needs more RAM though
imbrandonshawarma, probably an oversight03:01
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ajmitchexcellent, win2k3 server is starting up again03:01
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FujitsuAh, authtool stuff?03:02
ajmitchyes03:02
bddebianHmm, guess I should work on beryl or something so I can be "cool" too03:03
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ajmitchStevenK: it's a legimate evaluation copy of 2k3 server :)03:05
FujitsuI wonder what they'd think if they knew you were using an evaluation copy for this...03:05
StevenKajmitch: That files, but only if you're an MSDN subscriber. :-P03:05
ajmitchStevenK: considering that I got this license key from MS, I think I'm ok :)03:06
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StevenKajmitch: :-)03:07
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sacatergnomefreak: im having irssi trouble03:10
sacatergnomefreak: ive added more than 21 channels to my auto-connect list, and even though i have +U, beyond 21 they are still greyed out03:11
sacatergnomefreak: i think its because i am connecting to them before my +U status kicks in03:12
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sacateranyone here know how to edit the commands that are enacted when connecting to freenode.net03:13
danohuiginnsacater: what program are you using for irc?03:13
sacaterdanohuiginn: irssi03:14
sacaterthe original that i entered was /NETWORK ADD -autosendcmd "/^msg nickserv ident pass;wait 2000" OFTC03:14
danohuiginnok. don't use irssi, so I can't help you there. sorry03:14
sacaterwhhops /NETWORK ADD -autosendcmd "/^msg nickserv ident pass;wait 2000" OFTC03:14
sacatergrr03:14
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FujitsuNight all.03:15
sacateri originally did /network add -autosendcmd "/^msg nickserv ident *****;wait 0" freenode.net03:15
sacaterhow do i change that03:15
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imbrandonanyone know how to stop ubuntu from arping for an IP thats on a lo device 03:15
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StevenKimbrandon: Does ip r g <ip> report it's lo?03:18
imbrandonchecking03:18
FujitsuHahaha, beryl-core has already had 119 bugs against it.03:18
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imbrandonStevenK, its a debian 3.1 boxen , no "ip" command by default03:20
imbrandonknow the package ?03:20
bddebianFujitsu: Better get to work then ;-P03:20
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welshbyteimbrandon: iproute, i think03:21
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StevenKSounds like what welshbyte said, without checking03:22
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imbrandonrocking found it 03:23
imbrandonthanks03:23
StevenK"Failed to download some Package, Sources or Eelease files!"03:24
StevenKTeehee03:24
sacatergnomefreak?03:24
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ddaaHello there03:32
ajmitchhello ddaa 03:32
ajmitchhow are you?03:32
bddebianHello ddaa03:32
ddaaI have a couple of patches for universe packages (vegastrike, and vegastrike-data), how do I get them applied and uploaded?03:32
StevenKddaa: Bribe^Wask a MOTU.03:32
ddaaStevenK: I believe that's what I'm doing right now...03:33
StevenKddaa: Not yet, you aren't. :-P03:33
ddaaYes I am.03:33
ddaaStevenK: prove me wrong!03:33
bddebianI don't see any bribes being offered!! ;-)03:34
StevenKddaa: You haven't even offered me anything yet ... oh, wait, you're doing the less fun thing.03:34
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bddebianddaa: Have you filed a bug and attached your patches already?03:34
ddaabddebian: bug? You mean this launchpad thing? ;)03:34
bddebianYep :-)03:35
ajmitchah, you've heard of launchpad, I take it? :)03:35
ddaaajmitch: a bit03:35
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imbrandon...04:04
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imbrandonracarr, good email04:07
bddebian?04:07
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imbrandonbddebian, http://lists.beryl-project.org/pipermail/beryl-dev/2007-March/000371.html04:08
bddebianAh yes, beryl, I should have known04:09
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ddaahttps://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vegastrike/+bug/9592404:17
UbugtuMalone bug 95924 in vegastrike "support hatswitch configuration" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  04:17
racarrimbrandon: Thanks04:18
sacateranyone got any moderatly easy bugs :|04:21
Nafallonice summary :-)04:22
bddebianStupid LP beta, i can't even get on that site04:22
sacaterbddebian: its slow, 04:22
bddebiansacater: Hit the RC bugs list and files some UVFe's :-)04:22
sacaterbddebian: im fine with it04:22
bddebiansacater: No, I can't even log in04:22
sacaterbddebian: ah :P04:22
sacaterim gonna clear up some xmms bugs ;)04:24
sacaterhey guys, the command to shutdown a machine and halt is 'sudo shutdown -h #time' right?04:26
sacaterhttps://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-goodnight/+bug/4046504:26
UbugtuMalone bug 40465 in xmms-goodnight "xmms goodnight doesn't work" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  04:26
sacaterthat guy is using the 'sudo halt' command04:27
sacateris that good or bad,04:27
stgraberno reason : sudo halt doesn't work except that its sudo session will certainly expire04:27
sacaterok04:28
=== welshbyte doesn't have access to see that bug
blackskadwelshbyte: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-goodnight/+bug/4046504:31
UbugtuMalone bug 40465 in xmms-goodnight "xmms goodnight doesn't work" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  04:31
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ajmitchneat, more useful code working04:36
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ddaahttps://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vegastrike-data/+bug/9593204:39
UbugtuMalone bug 95932 in vegastrike-data "vegastrike-data python files are not pep0263 compliant and fail with python2.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  04:40
ddaaokay, bugs filed04:40
ddaaso, who here ever played vegastrike?04:40
Nafallohaha04:41
ddaaalternatively, who here would like to play vegastrike :)04:41
sacaterwelshbyte: just remove the beta.04:41
welshbytesacater: so i see04:41
=== ajmitch has played vegastrike in the past
ajmitchyour debdiffs can't be uploaded as-is because you added ~ddaa1 to the version04:43
ajmitchat a glance they look ok otherwise04:43
=== ajmitch should stop hacking & go & sleep however
ddaaajmitch: hey, I'm not uploading it, so I cannot set the version right...04:44
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ddaathere's a tiny, tiny bit of assembly required, which is fixing up the changelog entry04:44
ddaabut it's nothing I can really do myself.04:45
ajmitchjust because you're not the one doing the uploading doesn't mean the changelog can't be set right by you04:46
stratusajmitch: howdy04:46
ddaaajmitch: I see what you mean, but it means I'd have to fix my patch if some other patch gets uploaded before mine04:46
ajmitchhi stratus 04:46
ajmitchyou'd have to fix it anyway since it'd be newer than your packages :)04:47
ddaaajmitch: the template changelog was supposed to help, if it's actually causing more work I may as well remove it.04:47
stratusajmitch: long time since our last chat ;}04:47
ajmitchkeep the changelog as-is, just drop the ~ddaa1 04:47
sacaterAnyone here interested in joining my tea-dev team04:47
ajmitchstratus: yeah, awhile :)04:47
stratusajmitch: heavily busy maintaining a distro almost by myself and stuff like that.04:48
ajmitchstratus: how goes the dpl campaign?04:48
ajmitchheh04:48
stratusajmitch: things are moving fast, the campaign itself is over and DDs are voting. :-)04:49
ajmitchcampaigning is never over until the final votes are cast ;)04:49
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=== slomo did his an hour ago :)
stratusajmitch: you're right, but the debates and general -vote discussion are done. The private campaign and discussions never end.04:50
ajmitchhi slomo 04:50
stratusslomo: :)04:50
slomohi ajmitch :)04:50
slomoand hi stratus :)04:51
stratusslomo: what's your involvement with openmoko (if any) ?04:52
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ddaaajmitch: done04:53
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slomostratus: none (yet), just general interest... but if i need a new phone at some point i'll probably get one of those04:53
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stratusslomo: oh, ok. I need to write a project for digital inclusion in Brazil using openmoko. 04:54
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imbrandonmoins slomo 04:55
slomohi imbrandon 04:56
racarrWhat does NM mean? I keep on seeing that04:56
geserimbrandon: where did http://www.ubuntuwire.com/build-network/ go?04:56
bddebianNew Maintainer04:57
ajmitchracarr: debian new maintainer process04:57
imbrandongeser, i merged it into www.ubuntuwire.com04:57
racarrAh04:57
imbrandonracarr, the processes before DD04:57
slomostratus: what kind of project would that be? :)04:57
stratusracarr: NM refers to New Maintainers in Debian or the NM process itself, more info at: http://nm.debian.org/04:57
stratusslomo: a sort of OLPC (X0) replacement, since almost everybody here own or can figure out easily how to use a cellphone, but the X0 are aliens for kids and teachers.04:58
ajmitchsounds interesting04:58
geserimbrandon: is there some secret link because I can only find http://www.ubuntuwire.com/node/3 and there is no info04:58
geserimbrandon: could you also update the url in /etc/motd on *.ubuntuwire.com04:59
imbrandongeser, i have been lazy and havent put anything there yet, was there some specific info you were looking for ( and i promis i'll fill the page today )04:59
imbrandongeser, sure, doing so now04:59
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ajmitchbut it's about 3AM here :)04:59
stratusimbrandon: The NM process needs review, you can upload packages to Debian through http://mentors.debian.net though.04:59
imbrandonajmitch, rockin, i have the next 3 days off too so as will i04:59
ajmitchif someone could look at ddaa's vegastrike* debdiffs it'd be great05:00
ajmitchI think they should be ok to upload, but it takes awhile to build05:00
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imbrandonstratus, yea i know, i'm a ubuntu core-dev currently and maintain one small package ( through sponsors in debian proper hehe )05:00
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stratusubuntuwire layout is cute05:00
imbrandonstratus, thanks, its very much a work in progress, ajmitch and siretart have been great helps on it05:01
stratussiretart: around?05:01
stratussiretart is everywhere!05:01
ajmitchstratus: I forget, do you have ubuntu upload rights?05:01
ajmitchof course siretart is everywhere05:01
imbrandonstratus, http://www.imbrandon.com/index.php/2007/03/09/motu-build-network-update/ is what ubuntuwire realy is behind the seen05:01
stratusajmitch: no, I've subscribed for a meeting ages ago and removed my name some days before due to some heavy work load on that month.05:02
ajmitchah right05:02
stratusajmitch: I'll take a look how the process changed and start from scratch again, don't worry.05:02
ajmitchthe procedure has changed if you're planning to apply05:02
ajmitchok :)05:02
stratusimbrandon: I'll read.05:02
imbrandonstratus, yea its changed alot, pretty short and streamlined now05:02
ajmitchwe have to work out how to accomodate DDs, who already have a lot of knowledge05:03
imbrandon( new MOTU's )05:03
stratusajmitch: DDs aren't gods, they should go through the same process, IMHO.05:03
geserimbrandon: I was looking for the names of the builds05:03
bddebianDD's aren't Gods?05:03
ajmitchstratus: I'm not saying they'll be just put through automatically :)05:03
imbrandongeser, intrepid == ppc , aurora == x86 , sparky == sparc05:04
imbrandongeser, i'll update the page today05:04
stratusimbrandon: what's going on with the pbuilder setup?05:04
ajmitchbddebian: nope, nothing like you05:04
imbrandonstratus, its in production on 3 of the 4 planed buildd's now05:04
geserimbrandon: thanks05:04
stratusajmitch: yeah, but i think that they shouldn't have a special process either, jmo.05:04
ajmitchstratus: hopefully switching to buildd+wanna-build+sbuild on lvm05:04
stratusimbrandon: I though you had autobuilders for universe packages, no?05:04
ajmitchthe main archive, yes05:05
ajmitchbut nothing setup yet for test builds, etc05:05
imbrandonstratus, yea these are for the MOTU popultion more akin to the DD porter machines05:05
stratussounds great, what about cowbuilder instead?05:05
stratuspbuilder unpacking the .tgz makes me ill05:05
bddebianajmitch: Bah, I'm nobody.. I don't don't even use beryl or compiz for gosh sakes..05:05
ajmitchI don't know what advantages that would have over sbuild+lvm snapshots05:05
ajmitchbddebian: hah! as if that makes a person05:06
stratusajmitch: none.05:06
stratusajmitch: sbuild+lvm > cowbuilder over pbuilder.05:06
imbrandonwe're always looking to improve it ;) me and ajmitch pretty much designing it and implmenting , youre more than welcome in #ubuntuwire to help/give input / hang out05:06
ajmitchthat's good05:06
stratusajmitch: but you can simple install cowdancer package and with two or three commands you've burned the slow pbuilder.05:06
ajmitchyep05:06
stratusimbrandon: i'll join you there, thanks05:07
ajmitchimbrandon: I'm lucky, I  have a 3-day weekend05:07
ajmitchso tomorrow I'll try & get stuck into it05:07
imbrandonalso there was some expermental gdepi stuff done too for speed but still unpacking tgz's ;)05:07
imbrandongdebi*05:07
imbrandonajmitch, great i have the next 3 days off too 05:08
stratustalking about gdebi i need to do some love for that in debian experimental really soon05:08
imbrandonafter +2 hours from now05:08
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imbrandonhrm , smoke break, brb , nice talkin to ya stratus if you have to bolt in the meantime05:09
imbrandongeser, get the arch you wanted?05:10
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stratusimbrandon: yeah, that was great! i think i'll be away watching bsg in some minutes, but bbl.05:10
ajmitchheh05:10
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imbrandongnight ajmitch 05:10
ajmitchnight all05:11
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stratussee you ajmitch05:11
DktrKranzhi MOTUs05:12
DktrKranzis there any universe sponsors?05:12
sacaterAnyone here want to/know of someone who wants to sell off a laptop, i have about 90 spending cash05:14
lupine_85how much laptop are you after for 90?05:15
elkbuntuthe equiv of that here would get you maybe a p2 :-/05:18
imbrandoni dont think you could buy one here for that, but you might check www.compgeeks.com 05:20
imbrandonthey are about the cheapest for used lappys05:20
geserimbrandon: yes, any arch will do. I'm preparing a upload of vegastrike-data which has 160MB source05:21
imbrandonahh ok05:21
imbrandonaurora.ubuntuwire.com will be the fastest05:21
geserI wanted to avoid to download it though my 2Mbit ADSL05:21
imbrandon;)05:22
ddaayeah... the ogg music in there in a bit obscene in terms of download size...05:24
sacaterfound a biggie https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/4315405:25
UbugtuMalone bug 43154 in xserver-xorg-video-via "computer freezes with some applications using 3D" [High,Confirmed]  05:25
ubotuAnnouncement from my owner (Seveas): ubotu will be offline for maintenance05:25
welshbytesacater: have you read the bug triaging/helping with bugs docs on the wiki?05:27
sacaterbye ubotu!05:27
sacaterwelshbyte: eh?05:27
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welshbytethey're very helpful05:27
sacaterwelshbyte: direct me, see if i have05:27
sacaterlink05:27
welshbytehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs is a good place to start05:28
sacaterok05:28
sacaterlooking..05:28
sacaterwelshbyte: havnt seen this one, must have read another05:29
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DarkSun88Is there any main sponsors?05:31
sacaterDarkSun88: here?05:31
sacaterDarkSun88: i expect so05:31
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geserimbrandon: is it possible that vegastrike-data killed aurora?05:41
imbrandoni doubt it05:42
imbrandonlemme check on it05:42
imbrandonhrm 05:43
imbrandongeser, give it 3 minutes, i just cycled it , something was hardlocked05:44
imbrandoni doubt it was that build though05:44
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sacaterGuys, when is the next bugday?05:45
lupine_85every day is bug day ;)05:46
sacaterlupine_85: any more accuracy?05:46
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sacateroh05:47
sacaterbugday was 2 days ago05:48
sacaterand i didnt have irssi working then05:48
sacater(*^&&*05:48
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geserimbrandon: is aurora running a fschk?05:57
imbrandonpossibly, i had to remotely power it 05:57
imbrandonits ping replying but no ssh yet05:57
geserhow long does it usually take?05:57
imbrandonif it dosent come back up in the next few i'll drive out there05:57
imbrandonnormaly just a few minutes but if its fscking then quite a while05:58
gesersorry to cause you trouble with it05:58
imbrandonnp, it wasent you06:00
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imbrandonahh auto fsck failed, have a tech with a head on it now06:23
Amarantherr, beryl-plugins went straight to main?06:26
lupine_85main?!06:27
lupine_85ow06:27
Amaranthyeah, it's weird06:28
lupine_85Mithrandir made a boo-boo?06:28
lupine_85file a bug :) - it can't be in there without -core anyway06:29
Nafallohopefully :-)06:29
lupine_85so either core goes in or plugins goes out06:29
lupine_85I think the second is more sensible06:29
lupine_85Or perhaps this is the insidious influence of sabdfl? ;)06:29
imbrandonAmaranth, are you on crack ?06:30
imbrandonhttps://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beryl-plugins06:30
imbrandonits plainly in universe06:30
imbrandon2007-03-24  Published  feisty   Release  universe  x11  0.2.1-0ubuntu206:30
Amaranthtravis@sorrow:~$ apt-cache madison beryl-plugins06:30
Amaranthberyl-plugins | 0.2.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages06:30
lupine_85I get that too06:30
sabdfliiinteresting06:30
imbrandonhrm06:30
Nafalloso binary main :-)06:30
Adri2000binary in main and source in universe probably06:30
imbrandonbinary main06:30
imbrandonheya sabdfl 06:30
sabdfli had mail from someone saying they had missing deps06:30
sabdflignored it, thought it was likely just a mirror update issue06:31
sabdflbut perhaps there's something to it?06:31
imbrandonyea they are all published it seems, but that would cause it06:31
Nafallosabdfl: so tell them to enable universe and see if that fixes it ;-)06:31
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lupine_85good fix ;)06:32
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imbrandonis aquamarine published ?06:32
Amaranthyep06:33
NafalloI only got sources here :-)06:33
Nafallobut I'm on se.a.u.c :-)06:33
imbrandonwow yea aquamarine is published06:35
imbrandonand -plugins source is universe but binary main06:35
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imbrandonand its not mirrored everywhere yet06:36
geserhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/aquamarine/06:36
geserthe files are there but that's it apparently06:37
imbrandongeser, its in the official archive, but no mirrors yet06:38
imbrandonbrandon@hood:~$ sudo apt-cache madison aquamarine06:38
imbrandonaquamarine | 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 | http://mirror.imbrandon.com feisty/universe Packages06:38
imbrandonaquamarine | 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages06:38
imbrandonaquamarine | 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 | http://mirror.imbrandon.com feisty/universe Sources06:38
imbrandonaquamarine | 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources06:38
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Toadstoolg'morning everybody06:46
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LaserJockmorning MOTU Land!07:29
Toadstoolgood morning LaserJock 07:29
LaserJockhow's it going Toadstool?07:33
LaserJockstill in California?07:33
Toadstoolyuep07:33
Toadstool*yep07:33
Toadstoolcatching on sleep after this crazy end of week :)07:34
Toadstoolyou?07:34
Toadstool*catching up even07:34
LaserJockyeah, I'm kinda chillin'07:35
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siretartstratus: yes, I'm online from time to time :)07:58
Nafallohehe. I'm offline from time to time... ;-)07:58
LaserJockhi siretart and Nafallo 08:00
Nafalloevening LaserJock 08:01
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siretarthi LaserJock 08:01
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LaserJockok, I need to remember I need restricted-modules before restarting09:09
LaserJockluckily I didn't get rid of my old kernel09:09
ivoksipw3945? :)09:11
LaserJockmadwifi09:12
LaserJockI could figure out why the heck I couldn't get back online09:12
LaserJock*couldn't09:12
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bmmHi guys. I've made my first package and uploaded it to revu. Some of the error's I get from the linda check is that some fonf files should be gotten from a different package.09:20
bmmShould I remove these files from the upstream source/ (they are nog included in the binary packages)09:20
bmm(see http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4585 )09:21
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sacaterbmm, erm i would talk to laserjock about that09:30
sacatergnomefreak: 09:38
gnomefreaksacater: irssi has a 20 channel limit you cant bypass that 09:38
sacatereh?09:39
gnomefreaksacater: set up script or alias to join the rest after you are logged in09:39
sacateroh ive got it working09:39
sacaterdont know09:39
sacaterbut i have09:39
sacaterwhen i log in, i auto join to 26 channels09:39
gnomefreakexample i have alias /more and it will join 10+ channels after the first 2009:39
sacateranyway, i was going to ask, who was that guy i talked to, name began with n09:40
gnomefreaknalioth is his name09:40
sacaterthanks09:41
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LaserJockbmm: the lintian error is fairly self explanitory09:47
LaserJockbmm: I'm not quite sure about the linda error09:47
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LaserJockbmm: you might check the diff.gz for unexpected files09:49
bmmLaserJock: thanx09:50
Burgundaviahmm, anybody else seeing this scim stuff in your toolbar?09:52
crimsunnot from a fresh install of Beta, no.09:53
crimsunnor from a fresh install of Beta dist-upgraded to current (as of 20 minutes ago)09:54
ivoksscim?09:55
ivoksnot on current feisty updated from edgy from dapper :)09:55
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Burgundaviahmm, might be because I installed Arabic support10:06
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pochucrimsun, siretart: can you please take a look at bug 95514?10:23
ubotuMalone bug 95514 in wxwidgets2.8 "[UVFe]  wxwidgets 2.8.3.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9551410:23
sacaterpochu: when is the next hugday?10:32
bddebianEvery day is a hug day10:32
pochu:)10:32
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pochubddebian: nice interview :)10:33
pochuLaserJock: ^10:33
bddebianOMG he posted it?10:33
pochubddebian: on the planet ^^10:33
bddebianScary10:33
pochuhehe10:33
adamant1988and my Fedora install is under way10:34
shawarmabddebian: Yeah, I read the interview, and I'm kind of confused. If I read it correctly, you became a MOTU before you even were a Ubuntu user. :-)10:35
bddebianYeah, I probably screwed that up10:35
shawarmabddebian: It says you became a user right before breezy released, and a MOTU in August 2005... Breezy released two months after that. :-)10:35
siretartpochu: *ugh* - wxwidgets?10:40
pochusiretart: yeah :) bugfix release10:40
siretartpochu: puh, there are soo many reverse dependencies on it, I don't think we can be sure that we don't break existing packages10:41
siretartpochu: 15k lines in diffstat are not exactly what I'd call a bugfix release10:41
pochusiretart: at least that's what the changelog says :)10:42
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siretartpochu: I need to go off soon now, so I cannot investigate it more deeply, but can you try to gather more information about it? I'd be interested in reading: which launchpad bugs get fixed by the new upstream, which packages might be affected, and some more risk analysis wrt. upgrading to the new release10:43
pochusiretart: ok, I'll do tonight and tomorrow, and will comment the bug10:43
pochusiretart: thanks anyway :)10:43
siretartpochu: the changelog looks pretty sparse to me, I fear there are many other changes when I look at the size of the changelog10:44
pochuI'm gonna look10:45
pochuyou may be right :(10:45
bddebianshawarma: I think what I was trying to say was I became an MOTU during the breezy release cycle.  Though I'm old and senile and can't remember shit :)10:46
siretartpochu: as said, I didn't really look at it, but from the first glance, I don't have a good feeling about this. but I may be totally wrong as well10:46
pochusiretart: np, I'll take a look again. I also can be wrong :)10:46
shawarmabddebian: Heh. Quite alright. It was just the first thing I read when I woke up. It had me confused for at least 15 minutes. :-)10:47
pochusiretart: I've give a try again to the diffstat, and it's the same :(10:49
bddebianAre there even any packages using 2.8 yet?10:50
pochubddebian: amule at least10:51
siretartpochu: as said, please try to reference as many bugs as possible which get fixed by the new upstream. we are currently in deepfreeze mode for a reason, you know10:51
pochusiretart: ok10:51
pochu wxPython/src/gtk/_core_wrap.cpp                      | 2020 ++++++++++++++-----10:54
pochu wxPython/src/mac/_core_wrap.cpp                      | 2020 ++++++++++++++-----10:54
pochu wxPython/src/msw/_core_wrap.cpp                      | 2020 ++++++++++++++-----10:54
pochuwhat the hell is that?10:54
pochusiretart: it seems that most of the changes are from wxpython, and not wxwidgets (looking at the diffstat and both changelogs)10:57
siretartpochu: why do you want the new release after all?10:58
crimsunsiretart: luckily the default is still wxwidgets2.610:58
crimsunapplications must b-d explicitly on libwxgtk2.8-dev, and there aren't but a handful10:59
pochuamule already b-d on 2.810:59
siretartcrimsun: oh. that sounds better. would you support the new upstream release then?10:59
pochuwe already have 2.8 (2.8.1.1)10:59
crimsunsiretart: I'll look at this bug this evening, but I'm inclined to support the new one.11:00
crimsuncurrently amule is the only wxwidgets2.8 user11:00
crimsunpochu: queued for when I leave the office11:01
pochucrimsun: cool, thanks :)11:01
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siretartcrimsun: this sounds really promising. please publish your results to the uvf request in malone. thanks11:06
crimsunsiretart: will do.11:06
siretartk, cu tomorrow11:07
crimsunbye!11:07
bddebianLater siretart11:07
crimsunooh, bddebian on planet.uc!11:07
crimsun:-)11:07
pochugood bye siretart!11:08
bddebiancrimsun: Yeah nausiating eh?  Don't know why he wouldn't pick a real MOTU for his first.. :-(11:10
pochuAmaranth: does the "ati" driver supports compiz? (bug 90301)11:10
ubotuMalone bug 90301 in desktop-effects "Can't enable Desktop Effects" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9030111:10
Amaranthit does if it supports 3D with your card11:11
welshbytebddebian: because you're a god11:11
crimsunbddebian: pfah. You have a deity wiki page; you most certainly are a real one. :)11:11
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bddebianThat's all crack an you know it.  It's become the running joke apparently.11:12
LaserJockbddebian: you're a real MOTU11:12
crimsuncos there are all those fake MOTUs running around w/ universe upload privileges ;-)11:13
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crimsunspeaking of which, I wonder how this new "step before MOTU" is going to work11:14
LaserJock"step before MOTU"?11:14
crimsunI presume we're blocked on soyuz/LP having the appropriate implementation?11:15
crimsunLaserJock: Mark's recommendation that upstream devs be able to upload specific source packages into Ubuntu11:15
LaserJockoh yeah11:15
LaserJockI'm pretty much ignoring that for now11:15
LaserJockas mdz said, LP isn't even ready for that11:16
crimsunright, so we are blocked on it11:16
crimsunwe just need to clone Barry and have him have at revu ;-)11:16
LaserJockI think getting better sponsoring is more worthwhile11:18
crimsunas in "better MOTU sponsoring"?11:19
LaserJockwell, making sure that we have timely responses and things don't fall through the cracks11:20
LaserJockyeah11:20
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LaserJockfor the most part we're doing ok11:21
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LaserJockbut it seems like it's hard sometimes for us to be consistent11:22
welshbytebalancing consistency and dynamism is pretty difficult11:23
crimsunLaserJock: yeah, I hate to keep bringing up the point that we're all still doing this in our spare time11:24
crimsunthat makes it pretty difficult to keep things consistent - resource starvation and all11:25
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LaserJockcrimsun: yeah, I'm very aware of our resource starvation, I'm just trying to think if we do some things technically to help11:58
LaserJock*can do11:58
crimsunwell, we can set up "office hours"11:58
crimsunof course that will just run into the resource starvation issue11:58
sladenis there a wiki/revu page of "stuff waiting"12:00
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crimsunsladen: for packages awaiting 2 ubuntu-dev advocates, there's http://revu.tauware.de12:00
sladenAFAICT, if somebody gets their build-deps wrong during an upload, that's fine, the build just fails12:00
sladenand if the package is already broken, and we upload a further broken version (assuming not an intentional trojan/security issue introduction), that's fine, they get another shot to fix the package12:01
sladenthe one is watch for is OKAY package receiving a patch12:02

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