[12:20] <bddebian> LaserJock: pongeage ->
[12:49] <pirast> could anyone please apply the diff in bug 45909? thanks
[12:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45909 in Baltix "ndisgtk doesn't install driver" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45909
[01:20] <sladen> pirast: ndisgtk is in universe, it would be best to ask in #ubuntu-motu first
[01:21] <pirast> sladen, isn't this #ubuntu-motu? :P
[01:21] <TheMuso> Thats what I thought. :)
[01:21] <sladen> gah! :)
[01:22] <sladen> pirast: okay, that looks very minimal
[01:22] <pirast> it is :)
[01:22] <sladen> pirast: I take it that you've tested the change? :)
[01:23] <pirast> sladen, sure, also there is not a lot that can break :)
[01:23] <pirast> ndisgtk is not in a very usable state currently
[01:23] <pirast> it does not list anything
[01:29] <sladen> pirast: uploaded
[01:30] <pirast> sladen, thx :) asking since 2 days :)
[01:30] <pirast> *for
[01:30] <sladen> pirast: made me figure out how to do a sponsored upload too
[01:30] <sladen> I've got it in my ~/.devscripts now
[01:31] <StevenK> sladen: It's just signing your key to someone else's name.
[03:10] <ash211> hello all
[03:11] <ash211> I'm having troubles with xine 1.1.2 in edgy that are fixed in 1.1.4
[03:11] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch ash211 
[03:11] <ash211> but 1.1.4 is only in feisty
[03:11] <ash211> hey imbrandon
[03:11] <ash211> could someone please walk me through the process of backporting that feisty package to edgy?
[03:12] <imbrandon> you would have to rebuild anything that uses xine , and in kde thats just about everything
[03:12] <ash211> it's about dvd audio sync: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338191
[03:12] <ash211> in that ubuntuforums thread kenno just compiles it straight from xinehq and seems to be successful
[03:13] <ash211> phenest had success too
[03:14] <ash211> but I don't want to circumvent apt if I don't have to :)
[03:15] <imbrandon> you could try jdons prevu but its not supported, and i've never used it myself, other than that you just have to grab it from feisty, rebuild it as normal, then rebuild anything that depends on it
[03:16] <ash211> sorry, where's jdon's preview?
[03:17] <imbrandon> ash211, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268687
[03:17] <ash211> thanks
[03:17] <Lathiat> can anyone here remind me of the program that is quite popular for editing/cutting video encoding it etc
[03:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch, hehe i'm installing sid on a cfcard, and working on some unmet deps
[03:17] <Lathiat> its a gui
[03:17] <Lathiat> mental blank++
[03:17] <RAOF> Lathiat: Kino?
[03:17] <Lathiat> nah not kino
[03:17] <imbrandon> kino?
[03:18] <RAOF> :)
[03:18] <Lathiat> maybe i shoudl check one of those third party multipedia debian repos im sure it'l be in one of those ot remidn me its name ;p
[03:18] <ash211> cinerella ?
[03:19] <Lathiat> nope
[03:19] <ash211> cinelerra: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/
[03:19] <ash211> hmm
[03:19] <Lathiat> avidemux!
[03:19] <Lathiat> i think thats the one
[03:20] <Lathiat> yes, this is the one
[03:20] <imbrandon> oh i thought you said popular , e.g. kino ;)
[03:21] <Lathiat> heh
[03:21] <Lathiat> kino refused to import kaffeines record
[03:21] <Lathiat> i tried that
[03:21] <Lathiat> avidemux has worked great for me in the past
[03:22] <imbrandon> right but "works for me" != popular , kino it quite largely used 
[03:22] <imbrandon> :)
[03:32] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon 
[03:33] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock 
[03:34] <ajmitch> LaserJock!
[03:36] <imbrandon> ugh , ummm racarr , round ?
[03:36] <RAOF> Man, #ubuntu+1's S/N goes down after beta release :)
[03:36] <bddebian> heh
[03:37] <imbrandon> racarr, neither beryl,bery-kubuntu, nor bery-ubuntu depend on beryl-manager, thus sudo apt-get install beryl-kubuntu wont work alone
[03:38] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yup
[03:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch, hehe
[03:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: considering I'm using compiz already
[03:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[03:38] <imbrandon> probably not then ajmitch 
[03:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: no
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!
[03:39] <ajmitch> bddebian: k
[03:39] <ajmitch> heh
[03:41] <imbrandon> ugh, that was bad
[03:41] <imbrandon> brb
[03:45] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch 
[03:50] <imbrandon> wtf is "error 16: inconsistant filesystem structure" right after you choose a kernel
[03:51] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: In GRUB?
[03:51] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ^^ did you flatmate ever see that after installing to a cf card ?
[03:51] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, i'm not sure if its from grub or the kernel, i am assuming grub because i can hit a key and get back to the grub menu
[03:51] <imbrandon> its a fresh edgy install to a cfcard
[03:52] <Fujitsu> You might want to fsck that card, I think.
[03:52] <imbrandon> the only strange thing i did was noatime
[03:52] <imbrandon> on the /
[03:52] <imbrandon> other than that a normal insta;l;
[03:52] <Fujitsu> It's not getting to the stage where it would be reading fstab, so that's not the issue.
[03:52] <imbrandon> true
[03:53] <ajmitch> maybe you didn't change partition type or something silly
[03:54] <Fujitsu> Is popcon on by default now?
[03:54] <ajmitch> eg you formatted it as ext3, partition table still says fat
[04:30] <bddebian> Ack, audacity is a crimsun package, I ain't touchin' that one :-)
[04:38] <bddebian> OK, gcc-h8300-hms versioning is a little whacky
[04:55] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: You were the one that's a SoC mentor, right?
[05:05] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:06] <LaserJock> I'm a mentor
[05:06] <LaserJock> lol
[05:06] <LaserJock> I just needed a new t-shirt
[05:07] <LaserJock> ;-)
[05:07] <bddebian> heh
[05:08] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: I'm wondering if there's a way to search for and track submitted ideas?
[05:09] <LaserJock> all I've found is a list of student applications
[05:09] <tonyyarusso> That's a start
[05:12] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: what do you need?
[05:12] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: I was told on hearsay that something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GaimCalendarAutoAways might be maybe happening, and I wanted to keep tabs
[05:18] <LaserJock> I don't really see much like that
[05:33] <superm1> imbrandon, you in right now?
[05:38] <bddebian> Gah, fscking packages
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> core-utils?
[05:39] <bddebian> gcc-h8300-hms
[06:07] <bddebian> heh
[06:09] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: I went through and nuked all tags that only had one bug on them a few weeks ago
[06:09] <Fujitsu> Can you actually get rid of them?
[06:09] <Fujitsu> They don't vanish from the list, AFAIK :(
[06:10] <Burgundavia> no, they
[06:10] <Burgundavia> they don't
[06:10] <Burgundavia> basically, you have to "create" tags
[06:10] <Burgundavia> which is utterly cracked
[06:10] <Fujitsu> That's a good idea, I think.
[06:11] <Fujitsu> But not as it is now.
[06:11] <Burgundavia> watching launchpad dev is like watching a blind person try and figure out how to paint the colour purple
[06:11] <Fujitsu> Or similar, yes.
[06:11] <bddebian> hehe
[06:11] <Fujitsu> IMO, only ubuntu-qa should be able to create new tags.
[06:11] <Fujitsu> Others can add existing ones, but that's it.
[06:12] <Fujitsu> That would mean we wouldn't have tags for versions or packages.
[06:12] <Fujitsu> or stdio.h
[06:12] <Fujitsu> or getline.
[06:12] <Fujitsu> The tags portlet is a semi-complete dictionary. It shouldn't be.
[06:14] <Burgundavia> no, tags should freeform
[06:14] <Burgundavia> however, we need a tag cloud
[06:14] <Burgundavia> and a way to view new tags
[06:14] <Burgundavia> plus tags needs to be viewable on the main bug page
[06:21] <StevenK> bug 89654
[06:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89654 in wordpress "wordpress needs security updates in dapper and edgy?" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89654
[06:22] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Done.
[06:23] <Fujitsu> Thanks StevenK.
[06:23] <Fujitsu> Uploaded anything yet?
[06:23] <StevenK> No, not yet.
[06:23] <StevenK> Suggestions welcome. :-)
[06:24] <bddebian> OMG, they've given StevenK the wand too?? :-)
[06:26] <StevenK> bddebian: You must have missed the memo.
[06:26] <bddebian> StevenK: Obviously.  When was this?
[06:26] <Lathiat> fuck me
[06:26] <Lathiat> has wordpress got enough security bugs
[06:26] <Lathiat> is that the package they security team wants to remove from etch
[06:27] <Fujitsu> Lathiat: It's PHP, what do you expect?
[06:27] <Lathiat> this is true
[06:27] <Fujitsu> Fortunately nodnarbmi isn't around to tell me off :P
[06:28] <benb> anyone here from Melbourne, Australia?
[06:28] <Lathiat> not i
[06:28] <Lathiat> perth
[06:28] <StevenK> bddebian: Two days ago.
[06:28] <TheMuso> StevenK: Did I read incorrectly, or are you a core dev now?
[06:28] <StevenK> TheMuso: I am, yes.
[06:29] <TheMuso> StevenK: COngratulations!
[06:29] <Lathiat> ok whos crazy idea was that ;)
[06:29] <StevenK> Does anybody read memos? :-P
[06:29] <bddebian> WTF?  Man I am really missing the boat
[06:29] <StevenK> TheMuso: Thanks. :-)
[06:29] <Lathiat> i think your missing more than a boat bddebian 
[06:29] <StevenK> bddebian: It helps that I've been a DD for 6 years.
[06:30] <Lathiat> dont tell me you were FAST TRACKED
[06:30] <Fujitsu> benb: Where in Melbourne are you?
[06:30] <StevenK> Lathiat: I doubt it.
[06:30] <benb> Hawthorn
[06:30] <StevenK> Fujitsu: That's some arm you have.
[06:30] <bddebian> Uhm, I have no e-mail
[06:30] <Lathiat> StevenK: yeh, 'snot bad
[06:30] <Fujitsu> It's just Perth, StevenK. Not toooo far.
[06:30] <Lathiat> missed by about, what, 4500Ks? :)
[06:30] <bddebian> StevenK: Well congrats
[06:30] <bddebian> Lathiat: Thx man
[06:31] <Lathiat> bddebian: nps, i try...
[06:31] <Lathiat> gutter->remove(stevenk->mind())
[06:31] <Fujitsu> benb: So, you wanted to know about becoming a developer?
[06:31] <StevenK> Lathiat: C, or Perl?
[06:31] <benb> yeah
[06:31] <benb> definately
[06:31] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Java.
[06:32] <Fujitsu> benb: You might want to look at the first link in the topic.
[06:32] <StevenK> benb: You're not Ben Burton, are you?
[06:32] <Lathiat> as if i'd enpart MORE JAVA onto the world
[06:32] <benb> StevenK: nope
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Lathiat: Come on... Java rocks! Best thing in the world.
[06:32] <bddebian> *cough*
[06:32] <StevenK> benb: Right. I know a benb from Debian circles, and was just wondering.
[06:33] <StevenK> benb: The first thing you want is a Launchpad account.
[06:34] <benb> from what I have read so far, I am guessing it is preferable to work *with* a MOTU.  true?
[06:35] <LaserJock> I'd say work with *the* MOTU :-)
[06:35] <StevenK> Yes, there being about 60 of us.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Has the right idea.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> StevenK: *choke*
[06:35] <bddebian> Wow, I can disappear now, coolio
[06:36] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Hum?
[06:36] <StevenK> I'm remembering wrongly, aren't I?
[06:36] <Fujitsu> 60 officially, perhaps. In practice, there are much fewer...
[06:37] <StevenK> Mmm
[06:37] <benb> 60 devs or less produce ubuntu?
[06:37] <LaserJock> less, in general
[06:37] <LaserJock> but we have quite a number of community contributors
[06:39] <benb> community contributors are generally not MOTU's?
[06:39] <LaserJock> benb: no
[06:39] <poningru> keep in mind also that most of the software has other developers
[06:39] <Fujitsu> benb: MOTU are all community members.
[06:39] <LaserJock> MOTUs are all volunteers
[06:39] <poningru> i.e kernel
[06:40] <poningru> has about a gajillion devs upstream
[06:40] <LaserJock> but there are also community contributors who are not MOTUs
[06:40] <LaserJock> either MOTU Hopefuls (on their way) or just occasional contributors
[06:41] <TheMuso> Speaking of which, what do others think about seeing if John Wendle wants to go for MOTU? I have seen him upload a lot of debdiffs recently, and his work generally looks good, but I don't know how long he has been around doing this stuff, as I only joined universe sponsors recently.
[06:44] <sladen> has he had those debdiffs uploaded?
[06:45] <bddebian> Goddamn it, I'm confusing StevenK with ScottK again.. Grrr
[06:46] <bddebian> As long as it's some highly visible package, who cares? :-)
[06:46] <TheMuso> sladen: I have done a few, but haven't looked to see if the rest have.
[06:47] <superm1> TheMuso, while on subject.  I'm wondering whether it is worth my going for MOTU yet given my work towards mythtv packages the last 9 months or so and other minor small packages that i've done
[06:55] <superm1> given the silence in response, i'm not sure as to interpret that as a no you shouldnt, or just not qualified to answer?
[06:56] <crimsun> superm1: caveat: I'm on motu-council, so the following statement should not be taken to represent its opinion: I'd encourage you to apply.
[06:56] <superm1> crimsun, ah okay.  
[06:56] <superm1> crimsun, thanks crimsun
[06:57] <crimsun> superm1: remember to CC your sponsors in your application
[06:57] <superm1> will do
[06:57] <crimsun> TheMuso: again, with the above caveat, if he feels comfortable applying, encourage him to do so
[07:01] <TheMuso> crimsun: Of course.
[07:15] <Amaranth> ;)
[07:16] <Amaranth> imbrandon: are you going to seville?
[07:16] <imbrandon> probably not
[07:16] <Amaranth> aww
[07:17] <imbrandon> dont worry you'll see my ugly face in portland and boston :P
[07:18] <Amaranth> err
[07:18] <Amaranth> you won't see mine
[07:18] <Amaranth> because i have no idea what you're talking about :)
[07:18] <imbrandon> UDS 7.10 == boston , portland is Ubuntu Live! in July
[07:20] <StevenK> Actually, Boston will be for 8.04
[07:20] <imbrandon> ?
[07:20] <imbrandon> where is 7.10
[07:20] <StevenK> Seville
[07:20] <imbrandon> aww, ok
[07:21] <imbrandon> you know what i ment ;)
[07:21] <StevenK> Heh
[07:21] <StevenK> imbrandon: How goes the Python conversion?
[07:21] <Amaranth> well, hopefully in can make it to boston anyway :)
[07:21] <imbrandon> i fell asleep and dident start it 
[07:21] <imbrandon> heh
[07:21] <Amaranth> python conversion? i'm interested :)
[07:21] <Amaranth> conversion of what?
[07:21] <imbrandon> a simple bash script
[07:23] <imbrandon> StevenK, wanna do it ? hehe
[07:25] <imbrandon> s/do/start
[07:35] <superm1> imbrandon, i was looking into cms' - could you tell me a little more about the env on your server?  mysql on it? php5 etc?
[07:36] <imbrandon> superm1, the webserver? i can install what ever you want, its a ubuntu edgy box ;) but yes php5 mysql etc etc etc, i would use drupal
[07:36] <imbrandon> by far the best non-blog software imho
[07:36] <superm1> yea i was just looking at drupal
[07:36] <superm1> it looks very slick
[07:36] <superm1> (fluxbuntu.org i was looking at)
[07:36] <imbrandon> ubuntuwire.com ubuntu.com are both drupal too
[07:36] <imbrandon> along with tons of others
[07:36] <superm1> awesome
[07:37] <superm1> should i try to set up local before hand and sync, or just worry about it after you get me a connection to the server (eg is it time consuming to setup)
[07:37] <imbrandon> it takes about 5 whole minutes
[07:37] <imbrandon> lol
[07:38] <superm1> lol
[07:38] <superm1> okay :)
[07:38] <joejaxx> lol
[07:38] <imbrandon> but i'll have to do it in 12 hours, i have everything ready now ( hardware wise ) for you and the base install done, but i cant mess with it anymore untill i get off work
[07:38] <superm1> ah okay
[07:38] <superm1> not a problem
[07:38] <superm1> i should get rest anyhow :)
[07:38] <imbrandon> :)
[07:39] <superm1> okay on that note i'm out, night all
[07:39] <crimsun> hah, brandon got a person mention in mark's blog
[07:39] <crimsun> completely neglected the rest of the crew, though :-)
[07:40] <imbrandon> huh ?
[07:40] <crimsun> personal, even.
[07:40] <crimsun> like, oh, geser, Lutin, etc.
[07:41] <LaserJock> imbrandon: did you see Mark's blog post?
[07:41] <imbrandon> oh wow, i dident see he mentioned names
[07:41] <imbrandon> yea i glanced at it, dident really read it till now
[07:41] <imbrandon> hum, that sucks
[07:42] <imbrandon> and pricechild dident even get in on the run but is mentioned
[07:42] <imbrandon> ...
[07:43] <crimsun> that's ok, we know who did the work, and that's what matters. Granted if we were to properly follow jono's idea, we'd probably throw a trout at Mark and say, "no, really, _these_ are the people..."
[07:43] <imbrandon> crimsun, yup, i was just thinking that
[07:43] <joejaxx> crimsun: i got your answer about alsaconf thanks for that bte
[07:43] <imbrandon> i'll have time here in a few minutes to pop a post up
[07:43] <joejaxx> btw*
[07:43] <crimsun> joejaxx: np
[08:20] <imbrandon> ugh
[08:21] <imbrandon> i give up
[08:21] <imbrandon> StevenK, dont make me do this in php ;)
[08:21] <StevenK> imbrandon: Don't you dare! :-P
[08:22] <imbrandon> import os
[08:22] <imbrandon> import urllib
[08:22] <imbrandon> h = urllib.urlopen('https://launchpad.net/~motu/')
[08:22] <imbrandon> for line in h.readlines(): print line
[08:22] <imbrandon> thats as far as i got
[08:22] <imbrandon> heh
[08:22] <imbrandon> i know nothing about parsing in python
[08:22] <RAOF> You might want to look at pyparsing
[08:23] <imbrandon> heh thats the thing, i dont really wanna learn something, right now its a tool i want to work
[08:23] <RAOF> Ah, "the computer is a tool" fallacy :)
[08:26] <StevenK> imbrandon: import os, urllib :-P
[08:26] <imbrandon> see ;)
[08:28] <StevenK> imbrandon: if line.find('<a href') != -1: ?
[08:30] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ python import_acct.py
[08:30] <imbrandon>   File "import_acct.py", line 6
[08:30] <imbrandon>     if line.find('<a href') != -1: ?
[08:30] <imbrandon>                                    ^
[08:30] <imbrandon> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[08:31] <RAOF> That '?' wasn't meant to be there :)
[08:48] <imbrandon> hrm how can i keep appending to a set ?
[08:51] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: append()
[08:51] <imbrandon> erm not exactly how i thought, man i hate learning shit on the fly
[08:52] <Fujitsu> (also: it's a list or a dict, not a set)
[08:52] <Fujitsu> Python is great once you get started.
[08:52] <imbrandon> ...
[08:52] <imbrandon> so far i see nothing great about it, its "ok" but nothing spectacular over perl/php yet
[08:53] <Fujitsu> You're obviously missing something big, then.
[08:53] <crimsun> ah, the classic language "issue".
[08:53] <imbrandon> and no i want a set, not a dict or list
[08:53] <crimsun> there's no single language that works for everything, and most modern languages are at least competent at many tasks
[08:53] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ^
[08:54] <imbrandon> yup yup
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Bah, Python is better. QED.
[08:54] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: What do you mean by a set?
[08:55] <imbrandon> Python also includes a data type for sets. A set is an unordered collection with no duplicate elements. Basic uses include membership testing and eliminating duplicate entries. Set objects also support mathematical operations like union, intersection, difference, and symmetric difference.
[08:55] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:55] <imbrandon> a "set" datatype
[08:56] <imbrandon> lol
[08:57] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, you volenteering to make my bash to python ? hehe
[08:57] <Fujitsu> What does it do? Get SSH keys for everyone?
[08:58] <imbrandon> yea and make accounts , and update keys 
[08:58] <imbrandon> etc
[08:58] <imbrandon> for someone that knows python it should be less than an hour, for me it will be 3 days
[09:00] <ajmitch> s/hour/few minutes/
[09:00] <imbrandon> :)
[09:02] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, i lub you !?!!
[09:05] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: wise choice
[09:33] <Fujitsu> Grabbing 62 pages from LP over HTTPS doesn't seem particularly quick :-/
[09:35] <ajmitch> it'll probably get your ip address banned
[09:35] <ajmitch> why do you need to fetch these pages?
[09:35] <Fujitsu> There's no other way to get +sshkeys, is there?
[09:36] <Fujitsu> (24 requests a day seems to be enough to get an IP blocked, so I doubt it's based on load)
[09:37] <ajmitch> ah, you're working on that script for imbrandon 
[09:37] <Fujitsu> Presumably.
[09:46] <racarr> imbrandon: I am now
[10:10] <imbrandon> hum i ran my script that got pages multi times a day
[10:10] <imbrandon> and not banned
[10:10] <imbrandon> racarr, Fujitsu has my current script 
[10:11] <racarr> ?
[10:11] <imbrandon> nevermind
[10:11] <racarr> Has someone already uploaded the beryl-kubuntu/ubuntu dependency fixes
[10:12] <racarr> or should I make a debdiff?
[10:12] <imbrandon> nope i havent yet i wasent sure the state of the freeze
[10:12] <imbrandon> is everytign back up and running ?
[10:12] <racarr> yeah
[10:12] <imbrandon> aquamarine and helidor published?
[10:13] <racarr> heliodor yes aquamarine is in binary new
[10:13] <racarr> beryl-plugins is in binary new as well
[10:13] <imbrandon> ahh ok , -settings seemd to have a problem last night too
[10:28] <RAOF> Is there any way to get malone to unpack .crash files attached to LP bugs?
[10:29] <RAOF> I've just been hit by bug #67344, and I want to have a look at it.
[10:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67344 in banshee "Crash while importing / trying to play at the same time" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67344
[10:29] <RAOF> ...which means that I have a .crash file sitting waiting for me in /var/crash.  Whoops :)
[10:36] <ajmitch> RAOF: sure
[10:37] <ajmitch> not sure how it goes with really old dumps
[10:37] <RAOF> Should I just file a new bug to get the apport magic happening?
[10:37] <ajmitch> yeah, and tag it with the appropriate tag
[10:37] <RAOF> apport-needsretrace?
[10:37] <ajmitch> something like apport-needs-retrace-i386
[10:37] <ajmitch> I can't recall the exact tag
[10:38] <RAOF> apport-needs-retrace-amd64?
[10:38] <RAOF> Probably on wiki?
[10:38] <racarr> I thought it was
[10:38] <ajmitch> need-i386-retrace
[10:38] <racarr> needs-i386-retrace
[10:38] <racarr> aha
[10:38] <ajmitch> if you have an amd64 dump, use that
[10:39] <ajmitch> haha, a bddebian interview ;)
[10:40] <RAOF> needs-amd64-retrace is the right tag?
[10:44] <ajmitch> need-amd64-retrace
[10:44] <RAOF> Wow, I'm glad the retrace facility exists.  The stacktrace contains nothing but ?? () :)
[10:44] <StevenK> ajmitch: Behindubuntu?
[10:45] <pef> hello
[10:48] <ajmitch> StevenK: BehindMOTU
[10:49] <StevenK> Uh huh
[10:49] <ajmitch> by laserjock
[11:05] <jussi01> morning motu's could someone tell me how to decrypt an email messages with my gpg key?
[11:06] <StevenK> I save it to disk and then pipe it through gpg
[11:07] <StevenK> My mail client tends to put the full headers and then some through a pipe if I try and pipe it to gpg directly.
[11:08] <racarr> echo "message" | gpg -d | figlet (Yes figlet is definitely neccesary)
[11:09] <racarr> http://debaday.debian.net/2007/03/25/figlet-a-totally-useless-therefore-essential-tool/
[11:09] <racarr> pretty brilliant 
[11:09] <StevenK> racarr: linda -f figlet
[11:09] <jussi01> so i paste the encoded message in the "message" part?
[11:10] <racarr> StevenK: ?
[11:10] <StevenK> racarr: You don't know what linda is?
[11:10] <racarr> I do, but why linda -f figlet?
[11:11] <racarr> oh, -f is format
[11:11] <StevenK> Yup
[11:11] <StevenK> Try it. :-)
[11:11] <racarr> mm not getting anything have to find a package with some linda warnings
[11:11] <StevenK> libc6.deb is good for that sort of thing. :-/.
[11:11] <StevenK> s/\.$//
[11:12] <racarr> aha, amazing
[11:13] <Monk-e> jussi01, lol you don't want to pipe it through figlet.
[11:13] <StevenK> Yay the excitement.
[11:13] <racarr> linda -f figlet /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb found a 'few'
[11:13] <racarr> StevenK: Almost as great as cowsay
[11:14] <racarr> unfourtanetly piping figlet to cowsay doesn't seem to work :(
[11:14] <StevenK> racarr: http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/software/tractorgen/
[11:14] <racarr> XD
[11:15] <racarr> well, bored with that already
[11:15] <StevenK> Hah!
[11:15] <racarr> http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/figletcowsay
[11:16] <StevenK> A neatly lopsided cow
[11:17] <racarr> I would try and package a bunch of figlet fonts but I've already lost interest
[11:17] <imbrandon> lol
[11:19] <imbrandon> haha that looks like what i used for the motd.tail files on the buildd's
[11:19] <imbrandon> heh
[11:24] <stgraber> Anyone is also having scroll problem with its touchpad and the latest X in Feisty ? (really slower than before and no more smooth at all)
[11:36] <sacater> good morning (GMT) everyone!!
[11:37] <sacater> daylight saving change too :P
[11:37] <stgraber> yep
[11:37] <stgraber> hi sacater 
[11:38] <sacater> :D
[11:58] <DarkSun88> Hello
[11:58] <enyc_> DarkSun88: meepmeep
[11:59] <sacater> Hey, with Dapper>Edgy, there were big problems, i got them for one :P, there isnt going to be the same thing with pure edgy>feisty is there?
[12:48] <welshbyte> morning all
[12:49] <DarkSun88> Any main-sponsor here?
[12:49] <Monk-e> Anybody around here from the Games team?
[12:50] <crimsun> DarkSun88: yes
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Monk-e: Quite possibly not, but we all do everything... What do you wish to know/do/whatever?
[12:50] <DarkSun88> crimsun: Can you so kind to check this bug? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/check/+bug/95238
[12:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95238 in check "Please sync check 0.9.4-3 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:51] <Monk-e> Fujitsu, well I'd like to join the Games team, but I still need to learn a bit about packaging.
[12:52] <crimsun> DarkSun88: that's a main package; the Maintainer field is incorrect
[12:53] <DarkSun88> crimsun: What is the correct mantainer?
[12:54] <crimsun> DarkSun88: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[12:54] <tsmithe> how can i get a list of all my installed packages?
[12:54] <crimsun> dpkg -l
[12:55] <tsmithe> oh of course.
[12:55] <tsmithe> thanks :)
[12:55] <DarkSun88> crimsun: The debdiff is mistake. Please, check the sync.
[12:56] <crimsun> DarkSun88: why is the DebianMaintainerField change not relevant? It needs to go in.
[12:56] <crimsun> oh, I see, you're saying it's a sync
[12:57] <DarkSun88> Yes.
[12:57] <DarkSun88> It's a sync
[12:59] <crimsun> approved, u-a subbed.
[01:00] <DarkSun88> crimsun: Thank you :)
[01:00] <welshbyte> Fujitsu: on bug #40782 you told me that i should've subscribed and not assigned u-u-s, but on the wiki but it quite clearly says to assign u-u-s on the wiki ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs )
[01:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40782 in fceu "No desktop file" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40782
[01:01] <Fujitsu> That's wrong, then.
[01:03] <welshbyte> ok, i'll subscribe u-u-s on another bug i assigned to them then
[01:04] <DarkSun88> crimsun: The sync is "Fix Released"?
[01:05] <crimsun> DarkSun88: no, leave the Status set to Confirmed
[01:05] <crimsun> DarkSun88: u-a will set the Status appropriately beyond that
[01:05] <DarkSun88> crimsun: Ok, thanks
[01:06] <sacater> can anyone help me connect to another network in irssi, while maintaining freenode.net
[01:07] <crimsun> /connect -ircnet somenewname irc.foo.bar
[01:07] <sacater> thanks
[01:07] <sacater> hang on
[01:07] <sacater> what does -ircnet stand for
[01:07] <crimsun> use ^x in the status window to switch between servers
[01:07] <crimsun> that's a literal
[01:07] <sacater> hmm
[01:08] <crimsun> the only things you're to substitute are 'somenewname' and 'irc.foo.bar'
[01:09] <sacater> crimsun: okay it worked, now how do I add it permenantly
[01:10] <crimsun> sacater: configure irssi
[01:10] <sacater> k
[01:14] <jussi01> how do we get ubugtu back in #ubuntuforums ???
[01:16] <Monk-e> jussi01, lol, we don't.
[01:27] <gnomefreak> jussi01: ask seveas in #ubuntu-ops
[01:27] <imbrandon> jussi01, you politely ask Seveas in #ubuntu-bots
[01:27] <gnomefreak> or #ubuntu-bots :)
[01:32] <sacater> How can I get freenode.net to allow me more than 21 channels, there are so many ubuntu channels and xubuntu etc.
[01:34] <ajmitch> sacater: you need to convince a staff member
[01:34] <gnomefreak> sacater: you need to ask staff ask someone using /stats p than /msg one of the people it lists
[01:34] <sacater> ajmitch: where can I speak with one of these staff members
[01:34] <gnomefreak> ^^^
[01:35] <gnomefreak> sacater: hint. have a great reason
[01:35] <sacater> gnomefreak: what... should I prepare a sppech
[01:35] <gnomefreak> sacater: prepare a reason not a speech
[01:35] <sacater> TheMuso: well done, its harder than it looks isnt it
[01:35] <StevenK> TheMuso: Nice!
[01:36] <sacater> gnomefreak: well i do, i eager to help with ubuntu, motu, and channels like effects, gentoo, geeks etc
[01:36] <TheMuso> sacater: Harder for me, yes, particularly ensuring the mobo is properly mounted.
[01:36] <TheMuso> The rest is a sinch.
[01:36] <sacater> TheMuso: i hate noobs who screw it in too tight, and crack the mobo
[01:36] <gnomefreak> sacater: well if you feel its good enough than try. worst that can happen is they say no
[01:37] <StevenK> TheMuso: cinch starts with c. :-P
[01:37] <sacater> gnomefreak: what was the command to list the staff
[01:37] <gnomefreak> sacater: /stats p
[01:37] <TheMuso> StevenK: Ah thanks. The amount of times I use that word in one year can be counted on one hand.
[01:37] <StevenK> TheMuso: I figured that. :-)
[01:37] <gnomefreak> dmwaters is only staff online
[01:38] <TheMuso> It was actually Mum's P3 700 box, which was in a full tower/server case, and was moved into a mini tower case.
[01:38] <TheMuso> And now I'll make use of the full tower case. :p
[01:39] <sacater> gnomefreak: i just did /msg dmwaters I wish to apply for more than 21 channels
[01:39] <StevenK> TheMuso: Who gave you a hand?
[01:40] <TheMuso> StevenK: Mother. Just to help me ensure the new case had the brass stand-off pieces in the right place and to line the board up and ensure ports were lined up with I/O shield.
[01:40] <TheMuso> I can do the rest myself.
[01:40] <sacater> gnomefreak: i was told to email staff@freenode.net, and tell them why I need more, shall i prepare a speech now
[01:41] <StevenK> TheMuso: I'm curious how you hooked up the power button/case lights/etc ...
[01:41] <gnomefreak> sacater: he will answer when he gets around to it. you wont always get an answer. best way is if you have a staffer that you deal with on everyday basis. sacater if you wish i just told a friend that is staff why i felt i needed one. if you know a staff memeber now is the time to talk to him
[01:42] <gnomefreak> StevenK: there are wires that plug into the mobo behind the buttons
[01:42] <TheMuso> StevenK: 1. Look at where previous connectors are located approximately, to know which pin block to use. 2. Use a large diagram of the pinout from mobo manual together with legend indicating LED/switch pinout.
[01:42] <StevenK> gnomefreak: I am well aware of that.
[01:42] <TheMuso> And then use fingers to count pins.
[01:43] <StevenK> TheMuso: That gives you the pins to use and where to plug, but how to tell the difference between the plugs?
[01:43] <TheMuso> StevenK: Given enough light, I can read the writing on them if I squint a bit, or I ask for someone to read them.
[01:44] <gnomefreak> alot of mobos have them labled somewhere near pins
[01:44] <TheMuso> gnomefreak: I am vision impaired.
[01:45] <TheMuso> But I would have far less sight than you would.
[01:45] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:47] <StevenK> When you talk to TheMuso on IRC, you're really whispering into his ear.
[01:47] <TheMuso> So going on that, I don't think I could easily install heatsyncs/fans.
[01:47] <TheMuso> Or more to the point, ensure thermal paste is applied correctly. :)
[01:47] <TheMuso> StevenK: heh
[01:47] <StevenK> TheMuso: I think you could deal with a case fan.
[01:48] <TheMuso> StevenK: Case fans are no problem, Mum's machine has one, although I have to get a smaller one for the smaller case. :)
[01:48] <StevenK> A midi tower case doesn't have a 80mm case fan spot?
[01:49] <StevenK> I find that suprising.
[01:49] <TheMuso> I think the fan from the other case is a 12cm.
[01:49] <StevenK> Ahh, 120mm. Right.
[01:49] <TheMuso> But its too big in any case.
[01:49] <StevenK> The machine I'm on now doesn't have a case fan, or indeed, room for one.
[01:54] <sacater> gnomefreak: please join #sacater, i want to show you my email to the freenode staff
[02:02] <imbrandon> TheMuso, nah i have 2 x 120mm fans in the servers
[02:02] <imbrandon> plus some 80mm ones for the hdd's
[02:02] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:02] <TheMuso> Where do the 80mm fans mount?
[02:02] <imbrandon> under the hdd
[02:02] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[02:03] <imbrandon> i must ask, does your speech soft expand user defined vars like hdd to "harddrive" when it talks ?
[02:03] <imbrandon> or better, can it ?
[02:03] <TheMuso> imbrandon: It can if you want it to, but its better that it doesn't.
[02:04] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[02:04] <TheMuso> Screen reader packages for that other OS do it without the user having a say if they want it or not, and its very irritating.
[02:04] <imbrandon> heh
[02:04] <TheMuso> Because you don't know what has actually been written, whether its the full text or not.
[02:05] <TheMuso> And you will only find out if you do a manual review.
[02:05] <imbrandon> right
[02:05] <TheMuso> Hell i've been caught out with package names in here, that have been spelt differently, like a K instead of a C.
[02:06] <TheMuso> As they sound no different.
[02:06] <imbrandon> heh , konsole
[02:06] <imbrandon> yup
[02:06] <TheMuso> yep it does.
[02:06] <TheMuso> I wouldn't have known unless I did a manual review, which I did.
[02:06] <TheMuso> But in the middle of conversation, tahts not always convenient.
[02:08] <imbrandon> very true
[02:08] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, i love you 
[02:08] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, hooked up the buildd's with some python love, now to get it installed and cron'd
[02:09] <sacater> gnomefreak: 
[02:09] <sacater> if they deny
[02:09] <sacater> can i just send another, and hope another staffer gets it
[02:09] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: No problem. If you need anything else coded, I'll be more than happy to do it.
[02:09] <gnomefreak> sacater: that im not sure about. I was never denied :(
[02:10] <StevenK> Share!
[02:10] <StevenK> I'd like to see the code.
[02:10] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I'm not sure if those clamav bugs are dupes.
[02:11] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Which? I haven't touched any in a little while.
[02:11] <imbrandon> StevenK, i'll post it in a half sec
[02:11] <imbrandon> give me a sec to set the cron
[02:12] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Bug 85573
[02:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85573 in clamav "Feisty 0.90~rc3-1ubuntu1 - After install of clamav, Freshclam does not update" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85573
[02:12] <imbrandon> StevenK, ajmitch : once an hour to update ssh keys from lp and create new users sound sane ?
[02:13] <StevenK> Sounds too often to me.
[02:13] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I'll have a look in a sec.
[02:13] <Fujitsu> StevenK: But you do whatever you feel is right.
[02:13] <imbrandon> StevenK, well its for if someone updates their key on LP too
[02:13] <imbrandon> i dont want them to wait tooooo long
[02:13] <sacater> bddebian: hi!
[02:14] <bddebian> HEya gang
[02:14] <bddebian> Hi sacater
[02:14] <tsmithe> HEya bddebian 
[02:14] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[02:15] <sacater> Hi DarkSun88 
[02:15] <DarkSun88> sacater: Hi :)
[02:15] <gnomefreak> good morning bddebian 
[02:16] <bddebian> Hello tsmithe, Fujitsu, gnomefreak :-)
[02:16] <tsmithe> ;
[02:16] <tsmithe> stupid new keyboard
[02:16] <tsmithe> * :)
[02:17] <imbrandon> StevenK, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11994/
[02:18] <ajmitch> imbrandon: if they update their key on lp they can wait, it won't happen often
[02:18] <imbrandon> true, hum ok , then ...... 1 time a day ?
[02:18] <ajmitch> especially as you're scraping the keys out for many users at a time
[02:20] <Fujitsu> 90 requests an hour might not be liked by the LP people.
[02:21] <StevenK> Fujitsu: It looks neat, though. Sensible, and more importantly, not shell.
[02:22] <imbrandon> lol
[02:22] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I'm sure they won't mind much :)
[02:22] <Fujitsu> It should be a little more flexible now, and demangles SSH keys.
[02:22] <imbrandon> faster too
[02:22] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, StevenK: It's the same number of requests as the old one.
[02:22] <ajmitch> ideally LP would just give you username+ssh keys for the team
[02:22] <ajmitch> I know it's the same number, doesn't make it nice though
[02:22] <Fujitsu> They give OpenPGP key ID in +rdf, but not SSH :(
[02:23] <ajmitch> I know
[02:23] <imbrandon> yea a nice xml-rpc would be nice
[02:23] <ajmitch> and that is irritating
[02:23] <Fujitsu> All the non-browser-based stuff has been left for dead.
[02:23] <StevenK> Fujitsu: You need to learn list comprehension. :-P
[02:23] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Where?
[02:23] <ajmitch> list comprehensions are great :)
[02:23] <StevenK> I'm waiting for it to break and imbrandon to be left dazed and confused.
[02:23] <imbrandon> heh
[02:24] <imbrandon> i can read python , just not code it
[02:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:24] <ajmitch> imbrandon: get a few of these for ubuntuwire.com: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/21/supermicro_blade/
[02:24] <StevenK> Fujitsu: for i in memberlinks and for i in user.keys()
[02:24] <StevenK> Fujitsu: That's what map() is for. :-P
[02:24] <imbrandon> ajmitch, nice
[02:24] <StevenK> And if you tell me map() is bad, I'll slap you.
[02:24] <ajmitch> map is bad
[02:25] <bddebian> map is bad
[02:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: enough of that
[02:26] <ajmitch> nice simple ways of getting differences between two lists, etc
[02:26] <ajmitch> [for x in list1 if x not in list2] 
[02:26] <Fujitsu> Nice.
[02:26] <ajmitch> sets are limited in how you can manipulate them
[02:26] <Fujitsu> I should probably eliminate that code execution vulnerability... Hm...
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Anybody know the set of valid characters in a LP username?
[02:27] <ajmitch> python has gained quite a few nice features in recent releases
[02:27] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I'm guessing [A-Za-z0-9-+] 
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Probably something like that.
[02:28] <StevenK> Fujitsu: You also don't deal with the case that adduser fails, or such
[02:29] <Fujitsu> It'll print an error, but won't fail... True.
[02:29] <racarr> oO
[02:29] <ajmitch> StevenK: disturbing
[02:29] <bddebian> StevenK: heh
[02:29] <racarr> that's scary
[02:29] <StevenK> ajmitch: Very
[02:29] <racarr> StevenK: Sounds like something for www.thedailywtf.com :p
[02:29] <imbrandon> see Fujitsu i told you this should be gpl and packaged 
[02:29] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:29] <StevenK> Heh
[02:30] <imbrandon> then everyone can fix it ;)
[02:30] <StevenK> Fujitsu: And add a copyright. :-P
[02:30] <imbrandon> StevenK, yea i told him i'm gonna add his copyright and gpl header to it
[02:30] <StevenK> "This code can be hacked on and extended by everyone. Except imbrandon."
[02:30] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[02:31] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I like that one.
[02:31] <imbrandon> malloc() can file ? /me ducks
[02:31] <ajmitch> imbrandon: 640K is enough
[02:31] <imbrandon> :)
[02:32] <cbx33> hey all on ubuntu edgy live cd....mouse and keyboard are really really slo
[02:32] <imbrandon> and 4x quad core chips in EACH blade "?\
[02:32] <cbx33> they are usb
[02:32] <imbrandon> nice
[02:33] <cbx33> any reason you guys know of?
[02:33] <cbx33> I came up again this before
[02:33] <ajmitch> cbx33: accelerate them at 9.8ms^-2
[02:33] <imbrandon> cbx33, not enough memory ?
[02:33] <cbx33> doubtfu
[02:33] <cbx33> 512
[02:33] <gnomefreak> +1 to memeory
[02:33] <cbx33> and the pci netcard doesn't respond
[02:33] <cbx33> it worked fine yesterday
[02:33] <gnomefreak> cbx33: livecd im sure is using most of that
[02:34] <imbrandon> 512 is minimul for a livecd imho
[02:34] <imbrandon> minimum*
[02:34] <cbx33> yes
[02:34] <cbx33> but it shuld be 1 sec updates to mouse movement
[02:34] <cbx33> shouldn't
[02:34] <imbrandon> have you been running OO.o or something 
[02:34] <imbrandon> heh
[02:35] <cbx33> no
[02:35] <cbx33> :p
[02:35] <gnomefreak> usb mouse or ps mouse
[02:36] <gnomefreak> i would try reboot to see if it clears anything cached in memory maybe?
[02:36] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Ew, why?
[02:37] <ajmitch> either that or I reboot so that I can get vmware working
[02:37] <ajmitch> which is a bit annoying
[02:37] <cbx33> reboot does nothing
[02:37] <Nafallo> ajmitch: lp has them :-)
[02:37] <cbx33> this does it in install or live
[02:37] <ajmitch> Nafallo: LP does do garbage collection
[02:38] <Fujitsu> That's bad.
[02:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch, how old?
[02:38] <Nafallo> ajmitch: still has all the old ones. if you find the buildlog, and then click resulting binaries
[02:38] <StevenK> cbx33: Does 'dmesg' in a terminal give any hints? I remember something similar on another machine.
[02:38] <cbx33> just rebooting after pci card switching mess ;)
[02:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch, aurora might have them
[02:38] <imbrandon> i need to reboot it soon anyhow for a kernel upgrade
[02:39] <ajmitch> 2.6.20-6-generic
[02:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: btw if you ever do make notes on your page, it looks like brickos can't go up until the gcc-h8300-hms goes up
[02:39] <cbx33> uhci_hcd unlick after no-IRQ
[02:39] <cbx33> Controller is probably using wrong IRQ
[02:39] <ajmitch> Nafallo: and no, it doesn't have *all* the old ones, afaict
[02:39] <cbx33> that it?
[02:39] <TheMuso> How is a case fan measured? I am guessing its diagnally, but is it from one corner to the other, including screw holes?
[02:39] <Fujitsu> We have preamble and copyright info (what a functional improvement!) at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11997/
[02:39] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I'll check
[02:39] <StevenK> TheMuso: Close enough.
[02:40] <imbrandon> TheMuso, yea
[02:40] <TheMuso> StevenK: Thanks.
[02:40] <Fujitsu> I would have thought it would have been side length, but I know nothing.
[02:40] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, hehe i'll update the server
[02:40] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: you're sounding like bddebian 
[02:40] <Nafallo> ajmitch: linux-headers?
[02:40] <ajmitch> Nafallo: yes...
[02:41] <Nafallo> ajmitch: https://beta.launchpad.net/+builds/+build/297124/linux-headers-2.6.20-6-generic
[02:41] <Nafallo> http://librarian.launchpad.net/6025232/linux-headers-2.6.20-6-generic_2.6.20-6.11_i386.deb
[02:41] <Nafallo> for directlinking... ;-)
[02:41] <cbx33> lots of IRQ problems
[02:42] <cbx33> maybe the mobo is bust
[02:42] <Nafallo> http://librarian.launchpad.net/6019689/linux-headers-2.6.20-6-generic_2.6.20-6.11_amd64.deb
[02:42] <ajmitch> thanks
[02:42] <Nafallo> np :-)
[02:42] <Nafallo> LP has _everything_ :-)
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: Except for the features we need.
[02:42] <ajmitch> it has been stated that the LP librarian does do garbage collection :)
[02:42] <StevenK> Oooh, burn
[02:43] <ajmitch> so don't expect things to stay around forever
[02:43] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: I don't believe it does it in practice these days.
[02:43] <Fujitsu> (there's a heap of old stuff around)
[02:43] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I wonder when they'll run out of diskspace :)
[02:43] <Nafallo> ajmitch: sure, but there are still pages linking to the stuff, so probely not old builds ;-)
[02:43] <imbrandon> when Fujitsu stops makin hdd's
[02:43] <Nafallo> haha
[02:44] <Fujitsu> I wonder if I still have that HDD around somewhere...
[02:44] <imbrandon> the one with the LP beta source ?
[02:44] <Fujitsu> That'd be very nice, but no.
[02:47] <ajmitch> gar, vmware modules failed to build now
[02:47] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: There's a patch floating around for that.
[02:48] <Nafallo> ...and a beta of vmware where it's fixed AFAIK
[02:48] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: depends what the problem is
[02:49] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea vmware modules ftbfs on feisty kernels , you have to mess with the vmon modules
[02:49] <imbrandon> one sec
[02:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: read the bug info, it tells you why
[02:50] <imbrandon> ajmitch, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2127036&postcount=5
[02:50] <Fujitsu> I seem to remember that that h8300 bug didn't affect what I was doing with it... But that's as far as I can remember.
[02:52] <TheMuso> Night folks.
[02:52] <ajmitch> night TheMuso 
[02:52] <Fujitsu> Night TheMuso.
[02:52] <sacater> Ni
[02:52] <sacater> :P
[02:52] <imbrandon> gnight TheMuso 
[02:52] <sacater> Night
[02:52] <imbrandon> 0 5     * * *   root    python /usr/local/sbin/lpusers
[02:52] <imbrandon> err
[02:52] <Nafallo> "folks" that can't have been for me then ;-)
[02:52] <ajmitch> 330K/sec seems slow
[02:53] <imbrandon> i onyl get about 330 from the official archives thats one reason i made my mirror
[02:53] <imbrandon> in the first place
[02:53] <Fujitsu> I get about 1MB/s from the Optus mirror, 'cause I'm on Optus.
[02:53] <imbrandon> now its listed in the official list on LP , woot , hehhe
[02:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye, I guess my question was more, why not fix brickos :-)
[02:54] <Fujitsu> They also host a releases.u.c mirror, so I can grab an ISO in 9.5 minutes.
[02:54] <ajmitch> 330K/sec is max speed I can get right now
[02:54] <bddebian> stupid epoching
[02:54] <ajmitch> bddebian: you'll live
[02:55] <bddebian> Sure will 'cause I've decided not to touch it :-)
[02:55] <ajmitch> racarr: interesting mail about the beryl merge/non-merge/whatever is happening ;)
[02:55] <racarr> ajmitch: Thanks, I wanted to make sure things were...clear
[02:55] <racarr> because it's sure to raise a lot of controversy and argument, so
[02:56] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I can generate an alternative ISO is about 10 minutes.
[02:56] <StevenK> Hrm, I need to figure out how to get my mirror to grab installer stuff too.
[02:56] <Fujitsu> Ah, but you can't do that to a desktop CD.
[02:56] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Yeah yeah. I download those at work.
[02:57] <ajmitch> hopefully this one will work & I can get windows back ;)
[02:58] <StevenK> You're smiling about getting Windows back?
[02:58] <Nafallo> haha
[02:59] <shawarma> Hm... i thought we were removing the php4 packages.. What's php4-sqlite still doing there?
[02:59] <ajmitch> yep!
[03:00] <ajmitch> StevenK: wouldn't you be happy?
[03:00] <StevenK> ajmitch: Probably not. :-P
[03:01] <imbrandon> shawarma, probably an oversight
[03:01] <ajmitch> excellent, win2k3 server is starting up again
[03:02] <Fujitsu> Ah, authtool stuff?
[03:02] <ajmitch> yes
[03:03] <bddebian> Hmm, guess I should work on beryl or something so I can be "cool" too
[03:05] <ajmitch> StevenK: it's a legimate evaluation copy of 2k3 server :)
[03:05] <Fujitsu> I wonder what they'd think if they knew you were using an evaluation copy for this...
[03:05] <StevenK> ajmitch: That files, but only if you're an MSDN subscriber. :-P
[03:06] <ajmitch> StevenK: considering that I got this license key from MS, I think I'm ok :)
[03:07] <StevenK> ajmitch: :-)
[03:10] <sacater> gnomefreak: im having irssi trouble
[03:11] <sacater> gnomefreak: ive added more than 21 channels to my auto-connect list, and even though i have +U, beyond 21 they are still greyed out
[03:12] <sacater> gnomefreak: i think its because i am connecting to them before my +U status kicks in
[03:13] <sacater> anyone here know how to edit the commands that are enacted when connecting to freenode.net
[03:13] <danohuiginn> sacater: what program are you using for irc?
[03:14] <sacater> danohuiginn: irssi
[03:14] <sacater> the original that i entered was /NETWORK ADD -autosendcmd "/^msg nickserv ident pass;wait 2000" OFTC
[03:14] <danohuiginn> ok. don't use irssi, so I can't help you there. sorry
[03:14] <sacater> whhops /NETWORK ADD -autosendcmd "/^msg nickserv ident pass;wait 2000" OFTC
[03:14] <sacater> grr
[03:15] <Fujitsu> Night all.
[03:15] <sacater> i originally did /network add -autosendcmd "/^msg nickserv ident *****;wait 0" freenode.net
[03:15] <sacater> how do i change that
[03:15] <imbrandon> anyone know how to stop ubuntu from arping for an IP thats on a lo device 
[03:18] <StevenK> imbrandon: Does ip r g <ip> report it's lo?
[03:18] <imbrandon> checking
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Hahaha, beryl-core has already had 119 bugs against it.
[03:20] <imbrandon> StevenK, its a debian 3.1 boxen , no "ip" command by default
[03:20] <imbrandon> know the package ?
[03:20] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Better get to work then ;-P
[03:21] <welshbyte> imbrandon: iproute, i think
[03:22] <StevenK> Sounds like what welshbyte said, without checking
[03:23] <imbrandon> rocking found it 
[03:23] <imbrandon> thanks
[03:24] <StevenK> "Failed to download some Package, Sources or Eelease files!"
[03:24] <StevenK> Teehee
[03:24] <sacater> gnomefreak?
[03:32] <ddaa> Hello there
[03:32] <ajmitch> hello ddaa 
[03:32] <ajmitch> how are you?
[03:32] <bddebian> Hello ddaa
[03:32] <ddaa> I have a couple of patches for universe packages (vegastrike, and vegastrike-data), how do I get them applied and uploaded?
[03:32] <StevenK> ddaa: Bribe^Wask a MOTU.
[03:33] <ddaa> StevenK: I believe that's what I'm doing right now...
[03:33] <StevenK> ddaa: Not yet, you aren't. :-P
[03:33] <ddaa> Yes I am.
[03:33] <ddaa> StevenK: prove me wrong!
[03:34] <bddebian> I don't see any bribes being offered!! ;-)
[03:34] <StevenK> ddaa: You haven't even offered me anything yet ... oh, wait, you're doing the less fun thing.
[03:34] <bddebian> ddaa: Have you filed a bug and attached your patches already?
[03:34] <ddaa> bddebian: bug? You mean this launchpad thing? ;)
[03:35] <bddebian> Yep :-)
[03:35] <ajmitch> ah, you've heard of launchpad, I take it? :)
[03:35] <ddaa> ajmitch: a bit
[04:04] <imbrandon> ...
[04:07] <imbrandon> racarr, good email
[04:07] <bddebian> ?
[04:08] <imbrandon> bddebian, http://lists.beryl-project.org/pipermail/beryl-dev/2007-March/000371.html
[04:09] <bddebian> Ah yes, beryl, I should have known
[04:17] <ddaa> https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vegastrike/+bug/95924
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95924 in vegastrike "support hatswitch configuration" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[04:18] <racarr> imbrandon: Thanks
[04:21] <sacater> anyone got any moderatly easy bugs :|
[04:22] <Nafallo> nice summary :-)
[04:22] <bddebian> Stupid LP beta, i can't even get on that site
[04:22] <sacater> bddebian: its slow, 
[04:22] <bddebian> sacater: Hit the RC bugs list and files some UVFe's :-)
[04:22] <sacater> bddebian: im fine with it
[04:22] <bddebian> sacater: No, I can't even log in
[04:22] <sacater> bddebian: ah :P
[04:24] <sacater> im gonna clear up some xmms bugs ;)
[04:26] <sacater> hey guys, the command to shutdown a machine and halt is 'sudo shutdown -h #time' right?
[04:26] <sacater> https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-goodnight/+bug/40465
[04:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40465 in xmms-goodnight "xmms goodnight doesn't work" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[04:27] <sacater> that guy is using the 'sudo halt' command
[04:27] <sacater> is that good or bad,
[04:27] <stgraber> no reason : sudo halt doesn't work except that its sudo session will certainly expire
[04:28] <sacater> ok
[04:31] <blackskad> welshbyte: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-goodnight/+bug/40465
[04:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40465 in xmms-goodnight "xmms goodnight doesn't work" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[04:36] <ajmitch> neat, more useful code working
[04:39] <ddaa> https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vegastrike-data/+bug/95932
[04:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95932 in vegastrike-data "vegastrike-data python files are not pep0263 compliant and fail with python2.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[04:40] <ddaa> okay, bugs filed
[04:40] <ddaa> so, who here ever played vegastrike?
[04:41] <Nafallo> haha
[04:41] <ddaa> alternatively, who here would like to play vegastrike :)
[04:41] <sacater> welshbyte: just remove the beta.
[04:41] <welshbyte> sacater: so i see
[04:43] <ajmitch> your debdiffs can't be uploaded as-is because you added ~ddaa1 to the version
[04:43] <ajmitch> at a glance they look ok otherwise
[04:44] <ddaa> ajmitch: hey, I'm not uploading it, so I cannot set the version right...
[04:44] <ddaa> there's a tiny, tiny bit of assembly required, which is fixing up the changelog entry
[04:45] <ddaa> but it's nothing I can really do myself.
[04:46] <ajmitch> just because you're not the one doing the uploading doesn't mean the changelog can't be set right by you
[04:46] <stratus> ajmitch: howdy
[04:46] <ddaa> ajmitch: I see what you mean, but it means I'd have to fix my patch if some other patch gets uploaded before mine
[04:46] <ajmitch> hi stratus 
[04:47] <ajmitch> you'd have to fix it anyway since it'd be newer than your packages :)
[04:47] <ddaa> ajmitch: the template changelog was supposed to help, if it's actually causing more work I may as well remove it.
[04:47] <stratus> ajmitch: long time since our last chat ;}
[04:47] <ajmitch> keep the changelog as-is, just drop the ~ddaa1 
[04:47] <sacater> Anyone here interested in joining my tea-dev team
[04:47] <ajmitch> stratus: yeah, awhile :)
[04:48] <stratus> ajmitch: heavily busy maintaining a distro almost by myself and stuff like that.
[04:48] <ajmitch> stratus: how goes the dpl campaign?
[04:48] <ajmitch> heh
[04:49] <stratus> ajmitch: things are moving fast, the campaign itself is over and DDs are voting. :-)
[04:49] <ajmitch> campaigning is never over until the final votes are cast ;)
[04:50] <stratus> ajmitch: you're right, but the debates and general -vote discussion are done. The private campaign and discussions never end.
[04:50] <ajmitch> hi slomo 
[04:50] <stratus> slomo: :)
[04:50] <slomo> hi ajmitch :)
[04:51] <slomo> and hi stratus :)
[04:52] <stratus> slomo: what's your involvement with openmoko (if any) ?
[04:53] <ddaa> ajmitch: done
[04:53] <slomo> stratus: none (yet), just general interest... but if i need a new phone at some point i'll probably get one of those
[04:54] <stratus> slomo: oh, ok. I need to write a project for digital inclusion in Brazil using openmoko. 
[04:55] <imbrandon> moins slomo 
[04:56] <slomo> hi imbrandon 
[04:56] <racarr> What does NM mean? I keep on seeing that
[04:56] <geser> imbrandon: where did http://www.ubuntuwire.com/build-network/ go?
[04:57] <bddebian> New Maintainer
[04:57] <ajmitch> racarr: debian new maintainer process
[04:57] <imbrandon> geser, i merged it into www.ubuntuwire.com
[04:57] <racarr> Ah
[04:57] <imbrandon> racarr, the processes before DD
[04:57] <slomo> stratus: what kind of project would that be? :)
[04:57] <stratus> racarr: NM refers to New Maintainers in Debian or the NM process itself, more info at: http://nm.debian.org/
[04:58] <stratus> slomo: a sort of OLPC (X0) replacement, since almost everybody here own or can figure out easily how to use a cellphone, but the X0 are aliens for kids and teachers.
[04:58] <ajmitch> sounds interesting
[04:58] <geser> imbrandon: is there some secret link because I can only find http://www.ubuntuwire.com/node/3 and there is no info
[04:59] <geser> imbrandon: could you also update the url in /etc/motd on *.ubuntuwire.com
[04:59] <imbrandon> geser, i have been lazy and havent put anything there yet, was there some specific info you were looking for ( and i promis i'll fill the page today )
[04:59] <imbrandon> geser, sure, doing so now
[04:59] <ajmitch> but it's about 3AM here :)
[04:59] <stratus> imbrandon: The NM process needs review, you can upload packages to Debian through http://mentors.debian.net though.
[04:59] <imbrandon> ajmitch, rockin, i have the next 3 days off too so as will i
[05:00] <ajmitch> if someone could look at ddaa's vegastrike* debdiffs it'd be great
[05:00] <ajmitch> I think they should be ok to upload, but it takes awhile to build
[05:00] <imbrandon> stratus, yea i know, i'm a ubuntu core-dev currently and maintain one small package ( through sponsors in debian proper hehe )
[05:00] <stratus> ubuntuwire layout is cute
[05:01] <imbrandon> stratus, thanks, its very much a work in progress, ajmitch and siretart have been great helps on it
[05:01] <stratus> siretart: around?
[05:01] <stratus> siretart is everywhere!
[05:01] <ajmitch> stratus: I forget, do you have ubuntu upload rights?
[05:01] <ajmitch> of course siretart is everywhere
[05:01] <imbrandon> stratus, http://www.imbrandon.com/index.php/2007/03/09/motu-build-network-update/ is what ubuntuwire realy is behind the seen
[05:02] <stratus> ajmitch: no, I've subscribed for a meeting ages ago and removed my name some days before due to some heavy work load on that month.
[05:02] <ajmitch> ah right
[05:02] <stratus> ajmitch: I'll take a look how the process changed and start from scratch again, don't worry.
[05:02] <ajmitch> the procedure has changed if you're planning to apply
[05:02] <ajmitch> ok :)
[05:02] <stratus> imbrandon: I'll read.
[05:02] <imbrandon> stratus, yea its changed alot, pretty short and streamlined now
[05:03] <ajmitch> we have to work out how to accomodate DDs, who already have a lot of knowledge
[05:03] <imbrandon> ( new MOTU's )
[05:03] <stratus> ajmitch: DDs aren't gods, they should go through the same process, IMHO.
[05:03] <geser> imbrandon: I was looking for the names of the builds
[05:03] <bddebian> DD's aren't Gods?
[05:03] <ajmitch> stratus: I'm not saying they'll be just put through automatically :)
[05:04] <imbrandon> geser, intrepid == ppc , aurora == x86 , sparky == sparc
[05:04] <imbrandon> geser, i'll update the page today
[05:04] <stratus> imbrandon: what's going on with the pbuilder setup?
[05:04] <ajmitch> bddebian: nope, nothing like you
[05:04] <imbrandon> stratus, its in production on 3 of the 4 planed buildd's now
[05:04] <geser> imbrandon: thanks
[05:04] <stratus> ajmitch: yeah, but i think that they shouldn't have a special process either, jmo.
[05:04] <ajmitch> stratus: hopefully switching to buildd+wanna-build+sbuild on lvm
[05:04] <stratus> imbrandon: I though you had autobuilders for universe packages, no?
[05:05] <ajmitch> the main archive, yes
[05:05] <ajmitch> but nothing setup yet for test builds, etc
[05:05] <imbrandon> stratus, yea these are for the MOTU popultion more akin to the DD porter machines
[05:05] <stratus> sounds great, what about cowbuilder instead?
[05:05] <stratus> pbuilder unpacking the .tgz makes me ill
[05:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bah, I'm nobody.. I don't don't even use beryl or compiz for gosh sakes..
[05:05] <ajmitch> I don't know what advantages that would have over sbuild+lvm snapshots
[05:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: hah! as if that makes a person
[05:06] <stratus> ajmitch: none.
[05:06] <stratus> ajmitch: sbuild+lvm > cowbuilder over pbuilder.
[05:06] <imbrandon> we're always looking to improve it ;) me and ajmitch pretty much designing it and implmenting , youre more than welcome in #ubuntuwire to help/give input / hang out
[05:06] <ajmitch> that's good
[05:06] <stratus> ajmitch: but you can simple install cowdancer package and with two or three commands you've burned the slow pbuilder.
[05:06] <ajmitch> yep
[05:07] <stratus> imbrandon: i'll join you there, thanks
[05:07] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'm lucky, I  have a 3-day weekend
[05:07] <ajmitch> so tomorrow I'll try & get stuck into it
[05:07] <imbrandon> also there was some expermental gdepi stuff done too for speed but still unpacking tgz's ;)
[05:07] <imbrandon> gdebi*
[05:08] <imbrandon> ajmitch, great i have the next 3 days off too 
[05:08] <stratus> talking about gdebi i need to do some love for that in debian experimental really soon
[05:08] <imbrandon> after +2 hours from now
[05:09] <imbrandon> hrm , smoke break, brb , nice talkin to ya stratus if you have to bolt in the meantime
[05:10] <imbrandon> geser, get the arch you wanted?
[05:10] <stratus> imbrandon: yeah, that was great! i think i'll be away watching bsg in some minutes, but bbl.
[05:10] <ajmitch> heh
[05:10] <imbrandon> gnight ajmitch 
[05:11] <ajmitch> night all
[05:11] <stratus> see you ajmitch
[05:12] <DktrKranz> hi MOTUs
[05:12] <DktrKranz> is there any universe sponsors?
[05:14] <sacater> Anyone here want to/know of someone who wants to sell off a laptop, i have about 90 spending cash
[05:15] <lupine_85> how much laptop are you after for 90?
[05:18] <elkbuntu> the equiv of that here would get you maybe a p2 :-/
[05:20] <imbrandon> i dont think you could buy one here for that, but you might check www.compgeeks.com 
[05:20] <imbrandon> they are about the cheapest for used lappys
[05:21] <geser> imbrandon: yes, any arch will do. I'm preparing a upload of vegastrike-data which has 160MB source
[05:21] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[05:21] <imbrandon> aurora.ubuntuwire.com will be the fastest
[05:21] <geser> I wanted to avoid to download it though my 2Mbit ADSL
[05:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:24] <ddaa> yeah... the ogg music in there in a bit obscene in terms of download size...
[05:25] <sacater> found a biggie https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/43154
[05:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43154 in xserver-xorg-video-via "computer freezes with some applications using 3D" [High,Confirmed]  
[05:25] <ubotu> Announcement from my owner (Seveas): ubotu will be offline for maintenance
[05:27] <welshbyte> sacater: have you read the bug triaging/helping with bugs docs on the wiki?
[05:27] <sacater> bye ubotu!
[05:27] <sacater> welshbyte: eh?
[05:27] <welshbyte> they're very helpful
[05:27] <sacater> welshbyte: direct me, see if i have
[05:27] <sacater> link
[05:28] <welshbyte> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs is a good place to start
[05:28] <sacater> ok
[05:28] <sacater> looking..
[05:29] <sacater> welshbyte: havnt seen this one, must have read another
[05:31] <DarkSun88> Is there any main sponsors?
[05:31] <sacater> DarkSun88: here?
[05:31] <sacater> DarkSun88: i expect so
[05:41] <geser> imbrandon: is it possible that vegastrike-data killed aurora?
[05:42] <imbrandon> i doubt it
[05:42] <imbrandon> lemme check on it
[05:43] <imbrandon> hrm 
[05:44] <imbrandon> geser, give it 3 minutes, i just cycled it , something was hardlocked
[05:44] <imbrandon> i doubt it was that build though
[05:45] <sacater> Guys, when is the next bugday?
[05:46] <lupine_85> every day is bug day ;)
[05:46] <sacater> lupine_85: any more accuracy?
[05:47] <sacater> oh
[05:48] <sacater> bugday was 2 days ago
[05:48] <sacater> and i didnt have irssi working then
[05:48] <sacater> (*^&&*
[05:57] <geser> imbrandon: is aurora running a fschk?
[05:57] <imbrandon> possibly, i had to remotely power it 
[05:57] <imbrandon> its ping replying but no ssh yet
[05:57] <geser> how long does it usually take?
[05:57] <imbrandon> if it dosent come back up in the next few i'll drive out there
[05:58] <imbrandon> normaly just a few minutes but if its fscking then quite a while
[05:58] <geser> sorry to cause you trouble with it
[06:00] <imbrandon> np, it wasent you
[06:23] <imbrandon> ahh auto fsck failed, have a tech with a head on it now
[06:26] <Amaranth> err, beryl-plugins went straight to main?
[06:27] <lupine_85> main?!
[06:27] <lupine_85> ow
[06:28] <Amaranth> yeah, it's weird
[06:28] <lupine_85> Mithrandir made a boo-boo?
[06:29] <lupine_85> file a bug :) - it can't be in there without -core anyway
[06:29] <Nafallo> hopefully :-)
[06:29] <lupine_85> so either core goes in or plugins goes out
[06:29] <lupine_85> I think the second is more sensible
[06:29] <lupine_85> Or perhaps this is the insidious influence of sabdfl? ;)
[06:30] <imbrandon> Amaranth, are you on crack ?
[06:30] <imbrandon> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beryl-plugins
[06:30] <imbrandon> its plainly in universe
[06:30] <imbrandon> 2007-03-24  Published  feisty   Release  universe  x11  0.2.1-0ubuntu2
[06:30] <Amaranth> travis@sorrow:~$ apt-cache madison beryl-plugins
[06:30] <Amaranth> beryl-plugins | 0.2.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[06:30] <lupine_85> I get that too
[06:30] <sabdfl> iiinteresting
[06:30] <imbrandon> hrm
[06:30] <Nafallo> so binary main :-)
[06:30] <Adri2000> binary in main and source in universe probably
[06:30] <imbrandon> binary main
[06:30] <imbrandon> heya sabdfl 
[06:30] <sabdfl> i had mail from someone saying they had missing deps
[06:31] <sabdfl> ignored it, thought it was likely just a mirror update issue
[06:31] <sabdfl> but perhaps there's something to it?
[06:31] <imbrandon> yea they are all published it seems, but that would cause it
[06:31] <Nafallo> sabdfl: so tell them to enable universe and see if that fixes it ;-)
[06:32] <lupine_85> good fix ;)
[06:32] <imbrandon> is aquamarine published ?
[06:33] <Amaranth> yep
[06:33] <Nafallo> I only got sources here :-)
[06:33] <Nafallo> but I'm on se.a.u.c :-)
[06:35] <imbrandon> wow yea aquamarine is published
[06:35] <imbrandon> and -plugins source is universe but binary main
[06:36] <imbrandon> and its not mirrored everywhere yet
[06:36] <geser> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/aquamarine/
[06:37] <geser> the files are there but that's it apparently
[06:38] <imbrandon> geser, its in the official archive, but no mirrors yet
[06:38] <imbrandon> brandon@hood:~$ sudo apt-cache madison aquamarine
[06:38] <imbrandon> aquamarine | 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 | http://mirror.imbrandon.com feisty/universe Packages
[06:38] <imbrandon> aquamarine | 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[06:38] <imbrandon> aquamarine | 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 | http://mirror.imbrandon.com feisty/universe Sources
[06:38] <imbrandon> aquamarine | 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources
[06:46] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody
[07:29] <LaserJock> morning MOTU Land!
[07:29] <Toadstool> good morning LaserJock 
[07:33] <LaserJock> how's it going Toadstool?
[07:33] <LaserJock> still in California?
[07:33] <Toadstool> yuep
[07:33] <Toadstool> *yep
[07:34] <Toadstool> catching on sleep after this crazy end of week :)
[07:34] <Toadstool> you?
[07:34] <Toadstool> *catching up even
[07:35] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm kinda chillin'
[07:58] <siretart> stratus: yes, I'm online from time to time :)
[07:58] <Nafallo> hehe. I'm offline from time to time... ;-)
[08:00] <LaserJock> hi siretart and Nafallo 
[08:01] <Nafallo> evening LaserJock 
[08:01] <siretart> hi LaserJock 
[09:09] <LaserJock> ok, I need to remember I need restricted-modules before restarting
[09:09] <LaserJock> luckily I didn't get rid of my old kernel
[09:11] <ivoks> ipw3945? :)
[09:12] <LaserJock> madwifi
[09:12] <LaserJock> I could figure out why the heck I couldn't get back online
[09:12] <LaserJock> *couldn't
[09:20] <bmm> Hi guys. I've made my first package and uploaded it to revu. Some of the error's I get from the linda check is that some fonf files should be gotten from a different package.
[09:20] <bmm> Should I remove these files from the upstream source/ (they are nog included in the binary packages)
[09:21] <bmm> (see http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4585 )
[09:30] <sacater> bmm, erm i would talk to laserjock about that
[09:38] <sacater> gnomefreak: 
[09:38] <gnomefreak> sacater: irssi has a 20 channel limit you cant bypass that 
[09:39] <sacater> eh?
[09:39] <gnomefreak> sacater: set up script or alias to join the rest after you are logged in
[09:39] <sacater> oh ive got it working
[09:39] <sacater> dont know
[09:39] <sacater> but i have
[09:39] <sacater> when i log in, i auto join to 26 channels
[09:39] <gnomefreak> example i have alias /more and it will join 10+ channels after the first 20
[09:40] <sacater> anyway, i was going to ask, who was that guy i talked to, name began with n
[09:40] <gnomefreak> nalioth is his name
[09:41] <sacater> thanks
[09:47] <LaserJock> bmm: the lintian error is fairly self explanitory
[09:47] <LaserJock> bmm: I'm not quite sure about the linda error
[09:49] <LaserJock> bmm: you might check the diff.gz for unexpected files
[09:50] <bmm> LaserJock: thanx
[09:52] <Burgundavia> hmm, anybody else seeing this scim stuff in your toolbar?
[09:53] <crimsun> not from a fresh install of Beta, no.
[09:54] <crimsun> nor from a fresh install of Beta dist-upgraded to current (as of 20 minutes ago)
[09:55] <ivoks> scim?
[09:55] <ivoks> not on current feisty updated from edgy from dapper :)
[10:06] <Burgundavia> hmm, might be because I installed Arabic support
[10:23] <pochu> crimsun, siretart: can you please take a look at bug 95514?
[10:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 95514 in wxwidgets2.8 "[UVFe]  wxwidgets 2.8.3.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95514
[10:32] <sacater> pochu: when is the next hugday?
[10:32] <bddebian> Every day is a hug day
[10:32] <pochu> :)
[10:33] <pochu> bddebian: nice interview :)
[10:33] <pochu> LaserJock: ^
[10:33] <bddebian> OMG he posted it?
[10:33] <pochu> bddebian: on the planet ^^
[10:33] <bddebian> Scary
[10:33] <pochu> hehe
[10:34] <adamant1988> and my Fedora install is under way
[10:35] <shawarma> bddebian: Yeah, I read the interview, and I'm kind of confused. If I read it correctly, you became a MOTU before you even were a Ubuntu user. :-)
[10:35] <bddebian> Yeah, I probably screwed that up
[10:35] <shawarma> bddebian: It says you became a user right before breezy released, and a MOTU in August 2005... Breezy released two months after that. :-)
[10:40] <siretart> pochu: *ugh* - wxwidgets?
[10:40] <pochu> siretart: yeah :) bugfix release
[10:41] <siretart> pochu: puh, there are soo many reverse dependencies on it, I don't think we can be sure that we don't break existing packages
[10:41] <siretart> pochu: 15k lines in diffstat are not exactly what I'd call a bugfix release
[10:42] <pochu> siretart: at least that's what the changelog says :)
[10:43] <siretart> pochu: I need to go off soon now, so I cannot investigate it more deeply, but can you try to gather more information about it? I'd be interested in reading: which launchpad bugs get fixed by the new upstream, which packages might be affected, and some more risk analysis wrt. upgrading to the new release
[10:43] <pochu> siretart: ok, I'll do tonight and tomorrow, and will comment the bug
[10:43] <pochu> siretart: thanks anyway :)
[10:44] <siretart> pochu: the changelog looks pretty sparse to me, I fear there are many other changes when I look at the size of the changelog
[10:45] <pochu> I'm gonna look
[10:45] <pochu> you may be right :(
[10:46] <bddebian> shawarma: I think what I was trying to say was I became an MOTU during the breezy release cycle.  Though I'm old and senile and can't remember shit :)
[10:46] <siretart> pochu: as said, I didn't really look at it, but from the first glance, I don't have a good feeling about this. but I may be totally wrong as well
[10:46] <pochu> siretart: np, I'll take a look again. I also can be wrong :)
[10:47] <shawarma> bddebian: Heh. Quite alright. It was just the first thing I read when I woke up. It had me confused for at least 15 minutes. :-)
[10:49] <pochu> siretart: I've give a try again to the diffstat, and it's the same :(
[10:50] <bddebian> Are there even any packages using 2.8 yet?
[10:51] <pochu> bddebian: amule at least
[10:51] <siretart> pochu: as said, please try to reference as many bugs as possible which get fixed by the new upstream. we are currently in deepfreeze mode for a reason, you know
[10:51] <pochu> siretart: ok
[10:54] <pochu>  wxPython/src/gtk/_core_wrap.cpp                      | 2020 ++++++++++++++-----
[10:54] <pochu>  wxPython/src/mac/_core_wrap.cpp                      | 2020 ++++++++++++++-----
[10:54] <pochu>  wxPython/src/msw/_core_wrap.cpp                      | 2020 ++++++++++++++-----
[10:54] <pochu> what the hell is that?
[10:57] <pochu> siretart: it seems that most of the changes are from wxpython, and not wxwidgets (looking at the diffstat and both changelogs)
[10:58] <siretart> pochu: why do you want the new release after all?
[10:58] <crimsun> siretart: luckily the default is still wxwidgets2.6
[10:59] <crimsun> applications must b-d explicitly on libwxgtk2.8-dev, and there aren't but a handful
[10:59] <pochu> amule already b-d on 2.8
[10:59] <siretart> crimsun: oh. that sounds better. would you support the new upstream release then?
[10:59] <pochu> we already have 2.8 (2.8.1.1)
[11:00] <crimsun> siretart: I'll look at this bug this evening, but I'm inclined to support the new one.
[11:00] <crimsun> currently amule is the only wxwidgets2.8 user
[11:01] <crimsun> pochu: queued for when I leave the office
[11:01] <pochu> crimsun: cool, thanks :)
[11:06] <siretart> crimsun: this sounds really promising. please publish your results to the uvf request in malone. thanks
[11:06] <crimsun> siretart: will do.
[11:07] <siretart> k, cu tomorrow
[11:07] <crimsun> bye!
[11:07] <bddebian> Later siretart
[11:07] <crimsun> ooh, bddebian on planet.uc!
[11:07] <crimsun> :-)
[11:08] <pochu> good bye siretart!
[11:10] <bddebian> crimsun: Yeah nausiating eh?  Don't know why he wouldn't pick a real MOTU for his first.. :-(
[11:10] <pochu> Amaranth: does the "ati" driver supports compiz? (bug 90301)
[11:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 90301 in desktop-effects "Can't enable Desktop Effects" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90301
[11:11] <Amaranth> it does if it supports 3D with your card
[11:11] <welshbyte> bddebian: because you're a god
[11:11] <crimsun> bddebian: pfah. You have a deity wiki page; you most certainly are a real one. :)
[11:12] <bddebian> That's all crack an you know it.  It's become the running joke apparently.
[11:12] <LaserJock> bddebian: you're a real MOTU
[11:13] <crimsun> cos there are all those fake MOTUs running around w/ universe upload privileges ;-)
[11:14] <crimsun> speaking of which, I wonder how this new "step before MOTU" is going to work
[11:14] <LaserJock> "step before MOTU"?
[11:15] <crimsun> I presume we're blocked on soyuz/LP having the appropriate implementation?
[11:15] <crimsun> LaserJock: Mark's recommendation that upstream devs be able to upload specific source packages into Ubuntu
[11:15] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[11:15] <LaserJock> I'm pretty much ignoring that for now
[11:16] <LaserJock> as mdz said, LP isn't even ready for that
[11:16] <crimsun> right, so we are blocked on it
[11:16] <crimsun> we just need to clone Barry and have him have at revu ;-)
[11:18] <LaserJock> I think getting better sponsoring is more worthwhile
[11:19] <crimsun> as in "better MOTU sponsoring"?
[11:20] <LaserJock> well, making sure that we have timely responses and things don't fall through the cracks
[11:20] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:21] <LaserJock> for the most part we're doing ok
[11:22] <LaserJock> but it seems like it's hard sometimes for us to be consistent
[11:23] <welshbyte> balancing consistency and dynamism is pretty difficult
[11:24] <crimsun> LaserJock: yeah, I hate to keep bringing up the point that we're all still doing this in our spare time
[11:25] <crimsun> that makes it pretty difficult to keep things consistent - resource starvation and all
[11:58] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, I'm very aware of our resource starvation, I'm just trying to think if we do some things technically to help
[11:58] <LaserJock> *can do
[11:58] <crimsun> well, we can set up "office hours"
[11:58] <crimsun> of course that will just run into the resource starvation issue
[12:00] <sladen> is there a wiki/revu page of "stuff waiting"
[12:00] <crimsun> sladen: for packages awaiting 2 ubuntu-dev advocates, there's http://revu.tauware.de
[12:00] <sladen> AFAICT, if somebody gets their build-deps wrong during an upload, that's fine, the build just fails
[12:01] <sladen> and if the package is already broken, and we upload a further broken version (assuming not an intentional trojan/security issue introduction), that's fine, they get another shot to fix the package
[12:02] <sladen> the one is watch for is OKAY package receiving a patch