[12:25] <Howdy125> xubuntu 6.10 .. I have to login twice before I get to a desktop .. any ideas on fixing this ?
[12:27] <Howdy125> I should add this is only after closing a session and logging back in at gdm
[12:33] <j1mc> Howdy125: have you tried searching for this on google at all?
[12:38] <Howdy125> Yes I have j1mc
[01:16] <ludmil_> Hi, I just did online update of my ubuntu 6.10 and received the following messages: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet". Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration? Dont' delete. Delete. The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet".Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration? Don't delete....
[01:16] <ludmil_> ...Delete. Any ideas?
[01:48] <suzygrn> whats up
[01:49] <Orionisti> ludmil_: I'm most certainly not an expert, but this is a channel for xubuntu, usinf xfce desktop system, and you seem to be using Ubuntu and having problems with Gnome. Now I'm not saying you couldn't get help from here, too, but if you don't, maybe you could try #ubuntu?
[01:49] <Orionisti> But then again, who am I to say anything =)
[01:58] <LUDMIL> Thanks, Orionisti!
[03:03] <_spaz> hmm...
[03:03] <_spaz> i have a problem with xfce
[03:03] <_spaz> i can still open extra consoles, but it's hanging on the desktop startup
[03:03] <_spaz> i can move the mouse, etc.
[03:04] <_spaz> but after the splash goes away it does nothing
[03:15] <kalikiana> _spaz, maybe xfwm4, xfce4-panel or xfdesktop is not running?
[03:15] <kalikiana> these should be saved in the session, so you might run them manually and see if it still works after a reboot.
[03:16] <_spaz> kalikiana: i'll try it
[03:17] <kalikiana> I hope it works for you :)
[03:18] <_spaz> kalikiana: i get a seg fault when i try to run xfdesktop
[03:18] <_spaz> >_>
[03:19] <kalikiana> Ouch, sounds like you should recompile it.
[03:20] <_spaz> hmm...
[03:20] <_spaz> same for xfce4-panel
[03:20] <_spaz> and i used apt-get to get it
[03:20] <_spaz> i'm using it alonside kubuntu
[03:20] <_spaz> >_>
[03:22] <kalikiana> Actually it might conflict with kde libs. But afaik only theming issues..
[03:22] <_spaz> O_o
[03:22] <_spaz> hmm...
[03:22] <_spaz> should i uninstall KDE if i'm gonna use Xfce?
[03:24] <kalikiana> _spaz, Depends if you want to use both regularly. I did not ever install both on the same partition personally, so I can't really say if that would fix your problems.
[03:25] <kalikiana> On the other side, I prefer xfce over everything else, and I should say yes anyway. ;)
[03:25] <_spaz> hehe
[03:26] <_spaz> so far i like xfce
[03:28] <_spaz> whoa
[03:28] <_spaz> weird
[03:28] <_spaz> i got it working,but not the way i expected
[03:29] <_spaz> i did sudo startxfce4
[03:29] <_spaz> leading me to believe it's a config error
[03:29] <_spaz> >_>
[03:30] <kalikiana> Good to hear it's running now. :)
[03:31] <_spaz> well it's only working as root
[03:31] <_spaz> >__>
[03:31] <_spaz> but...
[03:31] <_spaz> i think i have a way to fix it
[03:31] <_spaz> remove then add my other account
[03:31] <_spaz> bbl
[03:35] <BFTD> I can't ssh to other people...I think its iptables
[03:35] <BFTD> Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host
[03:36] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Or the server could be down.
[03:37] <BFTD> its not
[03:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> hm
[03:37] <BFTD> hey
[03:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You can connect using some other protocol?
[03:37] <BFTD> I tried telnet
[03:37] <BFTD> maybe the IP changed?
[03:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Could be.
[03:38] <BFTD> how could i find out remotely?
[03:39] <BFTD> can I pm you PuMpErNiCkLe
[03:39] <BFTD> ?
[03:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you have to, I guess.
[03:40] <BFTD> you get a prompt?
[03:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I didn't go that far - I got the rsa fingerprint, though.
[03:41] <BFTD> hrm
[03:41] <BFTD> ok its the server just before it then
[03:41] <BFTD> brb
[03:41] <BFTD> I may disconnect
[04:04] <emdash> hm
[04:05] <jeffsters> how do I upgrade Firefox 1.5 to 2.0.3?  I downloaded the newest firefox and extracted it to a folder on my desktop... now what?
[04:05] <emdash> ...run the installer?
[04:06] <emdash> (as root)
[04:06] <jeffsters> sorry i'm still new to linux... which file is the installer?
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> jeffsters: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[04:06] <emdash> ends in .sh or .bin
[04:07] <jeffsters> ok
[04:07] <emdash> usually
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> emdash: We have detailed instructions for such things :)
[04:07] <ron_o> jeffsters-  first check synaptic if it has that version.
[04:07] <emdash> although i'm almost certain this would be covered in the readme =P
[04:07] <emdash> yeah
[04:07] <jeffsters> synaptic has 1.5 as latest
[04:07] <emdash> i'll be quiet
[04:07] <ron_o> you really should just stick to synaptic until you get to know linux/xubuntu
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> emdash: Readme's aren't really distro-specific in this case, so it may be confusing.  _Normally_ a fantastic idea though.
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> ;)
[04:09] <emdash> it's sortof a tightrope walk between knowing then to do things the distro's way, and when to do things some other way
[04:09] <ron_o> emdash-  a newbie should do things the easy way.
[04:09] <emdash> sometimes that's not the distro way =(
[04:10] <ron_o> but a newb woulnd't know that. :)
[04:11] <ron_o> the problem is that linux deals with applications so much differently than does windows that to a newbie it's really confusing.
[04:11] <emdash> he asked a question, though, that was worth answering
[04:11] <emdash> because other things install that way
[04:12] <ron_o> it's hard to explain Z when you're at D
[04:14] <ron_o> that's the problem with chat. How much does someone know? Do your suggestions sound demeaning?
[04:14] <ron_o> forums are so much better for the newbie.
[04:14] <jeffsters> looking the link by tony.... is this how programs are usually installed other than synapic?
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> jeffsters: It's how Mozilla stuff is.  So not really.
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> !compile
[04:15] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> For another option
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> Best case scenario, you download a .deb and double-click
[04:15] <jeffsters> yeah Picasa was like that
[04:16] <jeffsters> sooo easy
[04:16] <tonyyarusso> Well, I run the development version, so in _that_ case stuff breaks all the time (so it doesn't after release) :P
[04:17] <ron_o> Picasa is a commercial product. It's supposed to be that way, but it lacking in options.
[04:17] <ron_o> that's what linux gives you is options.
[04:18] <tonyyarusso> wrong window on that last one...
[04:30] <jeffsters> ok i've got xubuntu all up in running now... the only thing is when I connect my digital camera, nothing happens and my camera is frozen
[04:30] <jeffsters> i ran lsusb and it shows up though
[04:30] <emdash> it doesn't support usb mass storage
[04:30] <emdash> so you have to install gphoto, i htink
[04:30] <jeffsters> I also tried another digi cam and it works though
[04:31] <emdash> i'd install gtkam, that worked pretty well for me
[04:31] <jeffsters> ok
[04:31] <emdash> but you should check the website for support
[04:31] <emdash> i mean, to see if your camera is supported
[04:39] <jeffsters> i downloaded gtkam and tried to add my camera manually but it seems there isn't a driver listed for mines... Canon SD200 and SD400 are listed but no SD300
[04:40] <jeffsters> installed gphoto2 also
[04:41] <jeffsters> i think its with xubuntu dapper... the camera is detected fine on my ubuntu edgy laptop
[04:46] <jeffsters> meh
[04:46] <jeffsters> this sucks
[04:46] <jeffsters> so close to get everything working
[04:53] <Jester45> im back
[05:29] <_spaz> hmm...
[05:29] <_spaz> how do i run stuff under xfce?
[05:29] <_spaz> like kde's "run" command?
[05:29] <_spaz> er, app
[05:29] <_spaz> >_>
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> alt-f2
[05:30] <_spaz> ty
[05:32] <_spaz> ^^
[06:19] <scruffy> ThinkPad 600, 160 megabytes of RAM. Booting and choosing start or install via the Xubuntu 6.10 i386 CD produces this: invalid compressed format (err=1). memtest86 says the RAm checks out. Is there a problem with the kernel image in that ISO? the md5sum checks out also.
[06:40] <rici> scruffy: try this thread, thinkpad information near the bottom. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=387200
[06:40] <rici> (found by googling ubunta+"invalid compressed format")
[06:40] <rici> ubuntu, i mean
[06:45] <scruffy> rici: ahh alternate ISO is what I need then. we'll see how that goes, thanks!
[06:51] <rici> scruffy: i was thinking you might need the bios upgrade since it's specific to the TP600
[06:51] <rici> anyway, good luck
[06:57] <scruffy> rici: that will be my next step if the lowmem iso doesn't work. thanks.
[06:58] <scruffy> one last thing, would it be worth going with 7.04, or just stick with 6.10?
[07:00] <rici> i haven't tried 7.04 yet so i don't know.
[07:01] <rici> but i doubt whether the cd boot will be any different
[07:44] <brokenbin> what's a good media player for xubuntu?
[07:44] <crimsun> any one you like.
[07:45] <brokenbin> which ones play wmv?
[07:45] <crimsun> which version?
[07:45] <brokenbin> i don't know
[07:45] <brokenbin> which player plays the most format?
[07:45] <crimsun> well, mplayer with w32codecs
[07:46] <brokenbin> would i be able to find that from synaptic?
[07:48] <crdlb> brokenbin, you need to add a repo like medibuntu
[07:48] <crdlb> I believe
[07:48] <brokenbin> what's a repo?
[07:48] <crdlb> an apt repository
[07:48] <crdlb> !repository
[07:48] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[07:49] <crdlb> !mplayer
[07:49] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[07:49] <crdlb> Oh it's in multiverse
[07:49] <brokenbin> ah
[07:49] <brokenbin> back to the apt thing
[07:49] <crdlb> !w32codecs
[07:49] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[07:49] <brokenbin> how do it use it
[07:51] <brokenbin> i installed mplayer via add/remove app
[07:51] <brokenbin> but how do it run it?
[07:51] <crdlb> brokenbin, run: gmplayer
[07:52] <crdlb> or: mplayer for the command line version
[07:52] <brokenbin> command not found
[07:52] <crdlb> !gmplayer
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gmplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <crdlb> it seems to be part of the mplayer package
[07:53] <brokenbin> which folder is it installed to?
[07:53] <crdlb> brokenbin, /usr/bin/ but it's in your $PATH, so just: gmplayer will work
[07:54] <brokenbin> hold on
[07:55] <brokenbin> how do you mount a cd with iso?
[07:55] <brokenbin> the command i mean
[07:55] <crdlb> brokenbin, ?
[07:55] <brokenbin> mounting a .iso file as my cd
[07:55] <crdlb> brokenbin, you want to burn an .iso to a cd?
[07:55] <brokenbin> no
[07:56] <brokenbin> just mounting it
[07:56] <crdlb> brokenbin, oh I see
[07:57] <crdlb> sudo mount file.iso /mnt/cdrom -t iso9660 -o loop
[07:57] <crdlb> brokenbin, ^^
[07:57] <brokenbin> thanks
[08:00] <brokenbin> ok
[08:00] <brokenbin> i got it
[08:00] <brokenbin> btw, does mplayer only play movies?
[08:00] <brokenbin> what should i get for mp3 and such?
[08:00] <crdlb> brokenbin, it plays any media file
[08:00] <brokenbin> but it is called mplayer movie player
[08:01] <crdlb> brokenbin, it's designed for video, but it can play audio too
[08:01] <brokenbin> ok
[08:01] <brokenbin> cool
[08:03] <brokenbin> there's an error message
[08:03] <brokenbin> it says error opening initializing video_out device
[08:04] <crdlb> brokenbin, right click on the player and click preferences
[08:04] <brokenbin> ok
[08:04] <crdlb> click the video tab
[08:05] <brokenbin> ok
[08:05] <Darkkish> gaim is crashign and exiting unexpectedly
[08:05] <crdlb> brokenbin, what's it set to?
[08:05] <crdlb> xv?
[08:06] <brokenbin> as the what?
[08:06] <brokenbin> default?
[08:06] <brokenbin> there's a whole list of drivers
[08:06] <crdlb> brokenbin, which one is selected?
[08:06] <brokenbin> xv
[08:07] <crdlb> brokenbin, try x11
[08:07] <Darkkish> does anyone know why GAIM is crashing at random?
[08:07] <crdlb> brokenbin, note that xv will not work if another video player is open
[08:07] <brokenbin> ok
[08:07] <crdlb> that may be the problem (x11 is unscaled video btw)
[08:07] <brokenbin> let me try
[08:08] <brokenbin> can't find the codec
[08:08] <crdlb> brokenbin, you probably need to install w32codecs
[08:08] <crdlb> !w32codecs
[08:08] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[08:08] <brokenbin> how do i install it?
[08:10] <brokenbin> i can find the package
[08:10] <brokenbin> but how do it install it?
[08:10] <crdlb> brokenbin, you need to add the edgy-seveas repository
[08:10] <crdlb> see ubotu's link
[08:11] <brokenbin> add the repository?
[08:11] <brokenbin> how do i do that?
[08:11] <Darkkish> how the hell do you manage repositories directly in synaptic?
[08:11] <crdlb> brokenbin, edgy?
[08:11] <brokenbin> yes
[08:12] <crdlb> Darkkish, it's in the menu somewhere
[08:12] <Darkkish> i like adept alot, its basically the only reason i don't like xfce as much as KDE
[08:12] <Darkkish> but i really like some things about xfce... just not all things, like the lack of xfce specific apps, and the abundance of Gnome/KDE specific apps.
[08:12] <crdlb> brokenbin, open your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:13] <crdlb> gksu leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:13] <brokenbin> crdlb, alright
[08:13] <brokenbin> what do i add?
[08:13] <Darkkish> crdlb, you mean mousepad...
[08:13] <Darkkish> what is leafpad? I don't have that
[08:13] <brokenbin> Darkkish, same thing
[08:13] <Darkkish> hmm... leafpad doesn't work as a command for me though
[08:14] <crdlb> Darkkish, yes I did
[08:14] <crdlb> but leafpad is a text editor too
[08:14] <Darkkish> oh lol
[08:15] <brokenbin> crdlb, what do i add to the source file?
[08:15] <crdlb> brokenbin, add: deb http://seveas.imbrandon.com/ edgy-seveas extras
[08:15] <brokenbin> crdlb: done
[08:16] <brokenbin> crdlb: what now, how to install using apt?
[08:17] <crdlb> brokenbin, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[08:18] <brokenbin> pretty big for a codec
[08:18] <scruffy> rici: the alternate iso seems to work.
[08:19] <myrddraal> hello, xorg.conf problem
[08:19] <crdlb> brokenbin, it's a collection of windows .dll's
[08:19] <crdlb> for every codec imaginable
[08:19] <brokenbin> wow
[08:19] <brokenbin> thanks a lot, it works
[08:20] <brokenbin> now i have a good reason to abandon windows, lol
[08:20] <myrddraal> Can't get my monitor above 800x600
[08:21] <myrddraal> Is there a way to re-auto configure my X server like is done in a clean install?
[08:22] <Darkkish> what does XFCE stand for?
[08:22] <brokenbin> yea, that's what i wonder too
[08:22] <crdlb> Darkkish, absolutely nothing anymore iirc
[08:23] <Darkkish> well what does GFCE stand for? or just FCE?
[08:23] <crdlb> myrddraal, sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[08:23] <scruffy> via Wikipedia: 'The name "Xfce" originally stood for "XForms Common Environment",'
[08:23] <crdlb> beat me to it :D
[08:24] <crdlb> but it uses gtk2 now, so the name is irrelevant
[08:24] <myrddraal> crdlb: Tells me dkpg-reconfigure is not installed, should be installed via synaptic?
[08:24] <Darkkish> what is the differnce between GNUdoku and GNUdoQ, they look identical >_>
[08:25] <crdlb> myrddraal, that should be dpkg, sorry
[08:25] <crdlb> myrddraal, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[08:25] <myrddraal> crdlb: it's starting, thanks
[08:25] <scruffy> anybody using a netgear WG511 wireless card in their notebook?
[08:26] <crdlb> scruffy, what chipset does it use?
[08:26] <crdlb> that's the important part, not the model
[08:26] <scruffy> crdlb: not sure, and I'm hoping I don't have to rebuild the kernel
[08:26] <crdlb> scruffy, lspci
[08:27] <crdlb> lspci|grep Ethernet
[08:27] <scruffy> crdlb: still installing, been googling while I wait
[08:27] <crdlb> scruffy, I see
[08:27] <scruffy> crdlb: I think prism54
[08:28] <crdlb> scruffy, well, often there are multiple revisions of a card with different chipsets
[08:28] <scruffy> crdlb: the box says WG511 version 2, if that makes any difference.
[08:30] <scruffy> crdlb: I see posts in 2004 that "Made in China" versions of that card don't work, and mine is a "Made in China" version and not a "made in taiwan". I'm hoping things have changed in 3 years
[08:31] <crdlb> scruffy, I always try to get intel or atheros
[08:32] <crdlb> scruffy, you may need to resort to ndiswrapper
[08:32] <Darkkish> haha mcduff
[08:32] <Darkkish> if its a broadcom chipset consider the bcfwcutter or w/e
[08:33] <scruffy> crdlb: this is a first time notebook install. I happened to have this wireless card on the file cabinet. :) I usually go with intel too.
[08:37] <scruffy> crdlb: #23 under N's here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#N
[08:38] <scruffy> err.. #24
[09:00] <braveheartlion> i have a regular cd in my CD drive. how can i convert into mp3?
[09:02] <braveheartlion> hello?
[09:02] <Jester45> you can use
[09:02] <Jester45> xripper
[09:02] <scruffy> Jester45: how many laptops do you have exactly? :)
[09:02] <Jester45> type "sudo apt-get install xripper" in a terminal without quotes
[09:03] <Jester45> scruffy, 3
[09:03] <braveheartlion> i have mplayer already installed. can mplayer do it?
[09:03] <scruffy> Jester45: I've got 6 desktops and one laptop that's taking over an hour to install. I think I might have better luck with desktops.
[09:04] <Jester45> braveheartlion, with help from a few other apps
[09:04] <scruffy> laptop beowulf cluster?
[09:05] <Jester45> yea i want more
[09:05] <braveheartlion> Jester45: ok. i think i'll just get xripper. that may be the easiest way, eh?
[09:05] <Jester45> and lappy aren't as supported
[09:05] <Jester45> braveheartlion, i think it is ther are other thats the one i remember the best
[09:06] <braveheartlion> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "xripper"
[09:06] <Jester45> scruffy, i got 8 desktops 1server/desktop hybrid and 3 lappy and i could use more
[09:06] <Jester45> braveheartlion, o ripperx sorry
[09:06] <braveheartlion> The following packages have been automatically kept back: <--- why?
[09:07] <Jester45> incompatibly with other packages
[09:07] <Jester45> what packages are kept back
[09:07] <scruffy> Jester45: got a regular lab going on there dontcha! :D
[09:07] <Jester45> or other resons
[09:08] <Jester45> why do you ask?
[09:09] <scruffy> braveheartlion: probably no install candidate for a dependency of the package you're trying to install.
[09:09] <scruffy> braveheartlion: unless you put some package on hold status?
[09:09] <Jester45> scruffy, you wouldnt know much about win98se?
[09:10] <scruffy> Jester45: nope, not very much. I think it may be 7 years since I've used it?
[09:10] <braveheartlion> pls see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11964/ to see the packages that have been kept back?
[09:10] <Jester45> o nvm then
[09:12] <Jester45> well i got a lap top with it on it and each time i get a i/o speed of over 40mb/s it freezes
[09:12] <Jester45> i think i will put xubuntu on it
[09:12] <Jester45> or win2kpro not sure
[09:12] <scruffy> Jester45: why are you using Winows 98 SE though?
[09:12] <Jester45> becuase it was on it
[09:13] <braveheartlion> i got ripper x but the text is missing. i think it's something to do with the packages that have been held back.
[09:13] <scruffy> braveheartlion: I'm not sure. Have you installed some packages from unstable or installed any debs outside of apt-get?
[09:13] <braveheartlion> pls see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11964/ to see the packages that have been kept back?
[09:13] <braveheartlion> i don't remember
[09:13] <braveheartlion> i don't think so
[09:13] <braveheartlion> most stuff i get are from apt-get
[09:13] <scruffy> braveheartlion: not sure if the -u switch will provide more info or not
[09:14] <Jester45> AAAAHH !! my swap disc spun
[09:14] <braveheartlion> scruffy: and what is the comlete command?
[09:14] <scruffy> braveheartlion: apt-get -u [your other stuff here] 
[09:15] <Jester45> braveheartlion, thats nothing to be worried about just copy all the held back packages and remove them
[09:15] <scruffy> dangit this thing is only at 58% installed
[09:15] <braveheartlion> scruffy: i already got ripper x
[09:15] <Jester45> then reinstall them
[09:15] <braveheartlion> how do i copy?
[09:15] <braveheartlion>  do'nt you mean install?
[09:15] <Jester45> you can leave out a few packages from being reinstalled if you want
[09:16] <scruffy> braveheartlion: try apt-get -u install [package]  for each of those its says its keeping back.. try them one at a time
[09:17] <braveheartlion> scruffy:  that's a  slow way.
[09:17] <braveheartlion> there are a lot of packages.
[09:17] <scruffy> braveheartlion: probably is yeah.. well try two at a time and see how it goes
[09:18] <scruffy> I think this might be the slowest thinkpad ever
[09:18] <braveheartlion> why can't i do them all?
[09:19] <Jester456> braveheartlion, hold on
[09:19] <Jester456> im pasting it just waiting for it to go
[09:19] <Jester456> looks like its not going to go
[09:20] <Jester456> just copy/paste all the packages (HINT: watch out for enters)
[09:20] <braveheartlion> why do i not see text in the ripper x program?
[09:21] <Jester456> "sudo apt-get remove [packages here]  && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install [packages] "
[09:21] <scruffy> braveheartlion: any reason you want ripperx over any of the other rippers?
[09:21] <Jester456> braveheartlion, no text at all or just no song names
[09:21] <Jester456> scruffy, i told him it
[09:21] <braveheartlion> scruffy: no text in the  progarm itself
[09:22] <scruffy> braveheartlion: grip is also a good GTK ripper
[09:22] <scruffy> braveheartlion: or console ripper is abcde
[09:22] <Jester456> braveheartlion, jsut try a diffrent one
[09:22] <braveheartlion> Jester45:  why do i have to remove packages first?
[09:22] <braveheartlion> scruffy: ok. will try abcdefghijkl....
[09:23] <braveheartlion> 8-)
[09:23] <Jester456> braveheartlion, becuase apt will not upgrade them they are held back but if apt thinks you never had them then a install of them gets the newest version
[09:23] <scruffy> braveheartlion: yeah crazy name, but it really exists.. :) apt-cache show abcde
[09:23] <Jester456> whats the whole name
[09:24] <Jester456> i want a lappy with a core duo
[09:25] <Jester456> hehe i like the MS's NT kernel ablity to compress the whole drive
[09:25] <Jester456> now i need to exchange it to a rar compress
[09:25] <scruffy> Jester456: how is that even possible?
[09:25] <Jester456> i could save a whole 2gb
[09:26] <scruffy> Jester456: that's like the compression program compressing itself, isn't it??
[09:26] <Jester456> scruffy, yes all NT based OS have a option to compress the whole drive OS file compressor .exe
[09:26] <Jester456> yes
[09:26] <Jester456> very fancy
[09:27] <scruffy> you misspelled 'crazy'
[09:27] <Jester456> well to compress the WHOLE drive you need to boot it in a 2nd machine so you can compress the OS files
[09:27] <Jester456> becuase some files are inuse and cant be touched
[09:28] <scruffy> Jester456: yeah that's what I was thinking.. they sorta misrepresented that feature. :)
[09:28] <Jester456> well not really
[09:29] <Jester456> you can tell it to compress C:/ and all files/folders under it but your get the logical errors
[09:29] <scruffy> what is #xubuntu-unregged?
[09:29] <Jester456> un regualred channel?
[09:29] <Jester456> regulated
[09:30] <Jester456> you know what i never noticed
[09:30] <Jester456> the lack of the B:/ drive
[09:30] <braveheartlion> scruffy: i got  abcde. can it convert directly to mp3? or does it have to convert to wav format first?
[09:30] <Jester456> A:/ is default floppy c is harddrive with os on it
[09:30] <Jester456> A...C
[09:30] <scruffy> braveheartlion: not sure.. if I had to guess I'd say wav -> mp3
[09:31] <Jester456> !ripping
[09:31] <ubotu> For information about the Sound Juicer ripping application see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping. To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar
[09:31] <Jester456> i prefer torrents but thats just m
[09:31] <Jester456> e
[09:32] <scruffy> braveheartlion: cp /etc/abcde.conf to ~/.abcde.conf and edit it.. for CDDB I used http://freedb.freedb.org/~cddb/cddb.cgi
[09:33] <scruffy> that's interesting about the audiocd:// thing.
[09:33] <Jester456> KDE is very userfriendly its just very fat
[09:34] <scruffy> Jester456: I think KDE is kinda plastic, if that makes any sense. I very much prefer Gnome, OpenBox or XFCE
[09:34] <Jester456> i understand u
[09:35] <Jester456> its QT its the look it has allmost like vista but with less ugliness and less fat
[09:35] <Jester45> im back
[09:36] <scruffy> my father (60) used KDE on Suse, then switched to Ubuntu, and I think he wasn't digging the gnome that much. Some people are KDE people, some are gnome people.
[09:36] <Jester45> im many
[09:36] <Jester45> i like gnome and xfce and kde
[09:37] <Jester45> i have a mixed install xubuntu
[09:37] <scruffy> you sound like a friend of mine that's always installing different operating systems
[09:37] <Jester45> i prefer the gnome wm xubunt panel and theme and icons and tools but i use amarok and k3b
[09:38] <Jester45> last weekend i went from windows 3.1 to vista on step at a time
[09:38] <Jester45> very fun
[09:38] <braveheartlion> how do i play the audio cd in my cd drive?
[09:38] <scruffy> Jester45: you must like pain hehe
[09:38] <Jester45> i think the hardrive commited suicide
[09:39] <scruffy> braveheartlion: what audio player are you using?
[09:39] <braveheartlion> um mplayer or xfmedia
[09:39] <Jester45> w00t thats my friend there
[09:40] <scruffy> braveheartlion: been a long time since I listed to a CD from the drive itself, but last I did I used xmms.. mplayer probably `mplayer /dev/hdc` ? or /dev/hdd
[09:41] <Jester45> or man mplayer :)
[09:41] <scruffy> braveheartlion: or try mplayer cd://
[09:41] <BFTD> Jester45 I see that you've gotten back in
[09:41] <Jester45> i tihnk its mplayer type /dev/location
[09:41] <braveheartlion> Failed to open cd://.
[09:41] <scruffy> woohoo, 98%, only an hour to go
[09:42] <braveheartlion> Playing /dev/hdc.   Seek failed
[09:42] <scruffy> braveheartlion: did you try /dev/hdc?
[09:42] <Jester45> BFTD, what happened i was gone for a few weeks and came back with a ban
[09:42] <BFTD> yeah
[09:42] <scruffy> braveheartlion: try gmplayer and right click in the window
[09:42] <Jester45> miscommucation?
[09:42] <Jester45> or typo ")
[09:43] <Jester45> or the somerville got mad again
[09:43] <Jester45> or me being offtopic like right now :) better shut up
[09:44] <BFTD> Jester45 no its the proxy
[09:44] <Jester45> BFTD, ? o that web irc client?
[09:45] <BFTD> cgi-irc
[09:45] <BFTD> or something like that
[09:45] <Jester45> well i was bored
[09:45] <Jester45> and yes
[09:46] <BFTD> I don't think they mind a bit of offtopic
[09:47] <Jester45> BFTD, i try to help yet keep channel alive i also try to stop when it get busy
[09:47] <BFTD> yeah
[09:47] <Jester45> and ot stay in -offtopic at lease
[09:47] <BFTD> wee should have a channel game
[09:47] <Jester45> i would realy liek to run a Welcome bot
[09:48] <Jester45> but i cant :(
[09:51] <Jester45> grazie, well i was using a web irc client
[09:51] <Jester45> it was the firest time i got on in a month
[09:51] <BFTD> haha
[09:51] <Jester45> and the web client had a forced proxy was banned
[09:52] <BFTD> I was given about 1.4 TB's of harddrive space
[09:52] <grazie> Jester45: does that always mean an instant ban?
[09:52] <BFTD> grazie usually
[09:52] <BFTD> my chatzilla was banned
[09:52] <BFTD> :P
[09:52] <Jester45> well im complaned in -offtopic channel and im a regular here
[09:52] <Jester45> lol me also
[09:53] <BFTD> yeah grazie is new
[09:54] <grazie> Jester45: yeah but you help out loads in here
[09:54] <vimalg1> Excuse me room.. Can an XFCE person tell me if all GTK2 apps work on Xubuntu Edgy?
[09:54] <Jester45> lol on this windows machine i got the drive are confusing
[09:54] <Jester45> they should
[09:54] <Jester45> xubuntu will install gtk2 if needed
[09:55] <Jester45> but there are some bug or problems that apt cant fix alone
[09:55] <crdlb> vimalg1, xfce is written in gtk2
[09:55] <vimalg1> Jester45: So in Feisty, when XFCE 4.4 get added, GTK2 apps should work staright outta the box right?
[09:55] <crdlb> no gtk2 = no xfce
[09:56] <vimalg1> crdlb: thanks crdlb. Just needed a little re-assuring lol
[09:56] <crdlb> gnome apps may require some more libraries though
[09:56] <Jester45> im not sure what xfce uses
[09:56] <vimalg1> i wouldn't touch KDElibs with a 10 foot pole. My laptop just doesnt have the muscle
[09:58] <Jester45> kde wouldnt touch your laptop
[09:58] <Jester45> or would it
[09:59] <Jester45> im tired if you didnt know
[09:59] <vimalg1> Jester45: maybe it would if I save up for an additional 1GB DDR stick
[09:59] <vimalg1> Jester45: NO problems
[09:59] <Jester45> i use kde on a 2gb jsut fine
[10:00] <Jester45> but xfce is nice on it also
[10:01] <vimalg1> Jester45: xfce is the only environment thats nice to my Via C3 epia
[10:01] <scruffy> oh man, even xfce is taking forever to load. might have to go commando on this one
[10:01] <vimalg1> Form follows funtion always
[10:01] <scruffy> whoop there it is
[10:02] <scruffy> Jester45: this thing has some seriously ugly fonts. everything is jagged
[10:03] <Jester45> what is?
[10:03] <scruffy> Jester45: Xubuntu 6.10 running XFCE
[10:03] <Jester45> scruffy, try evilwm
[10:04] <Jester45> scruffy, you should of got fiesty
[10:04] <scruffy> Jester45: well I asked about that an rici said he had no idea. I was going on the info I had at the time :D
[10:05] <Jester45> http://www.hackaday.com/2007/03/15/pic-cluster-computing/
[10:05] <Jester45> about my laptop cluster
[10:05] <Jester45> that site iscool
[10:05] <Jester45> i forgot about that post
[10:09] <Jester45> wonder how many things would mess up
[10:13] <scruffy> worked! Jester45, fonts clean
[10:14] <scruffy> awesome, this piece of crap actually runs Xubuntu
[10:15] <Jester45> lol
[10:15] <scruffy> Jester45: ThinkPad 600 (233mhz, 160 megabytes RAM)
[10:16] <scruffy> Jester45: barely made the hard disk requirements. xD
[10:29] <hyper_ch> hihbo
[10:30] <Jester45> hi
[10:30] <hyper_ch> what's up?
[10:31] <Jester45> music
[10:31] <hyper_ch> what kind?
[10:31] <Jester45> internet radio
[10:31] <Jester45> www.radiophileonline.com
[10:31] <hyper_ch> you know pandora.com ?
[10:31] <Jester45> nope
[10:31] <hyper_ch> you make your own "stations" by entering one song or artist
[10:32] <hyper_ch> and they will try to play similar
[10:32] <Jester45> yahoo has somthing like that
[10:32] <BFTD> pandora.com
[10:32] <hyper_ch> works quite well :)
[10:32] <Jester45> i like using standalone players
[10:33] <hyper_ch> Jester45: me also :) that's why I have all my oggs on my "backup" server and use gnump3d
[10:33] <Jester45> hyper_ch, same here i use flac
[10:33] <hyper_ch> why flac?
[10:33] <Jester45> and mp3
[10:33] <Jester45> becuase i like it
[10:33] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[10:33] <BFTD> I use all of them
[10:34] <hyper_ch> well, what I can get from aom on ogg will be ogg... but some stuff is still mp3
[10:36] <hyper_ch> too bad they want to take aom down :(
[10:37] <scruffy> what package has Lucida Sans?
[10:39] <hyper_ch> scruffy: is this a m$ core font?
[10:39] <Jester45> yes
[10:39] <scruffy> hyper_ch: not sure, I don't think so. On OS X it's the same thing as Lucida Grande
[10:40] <hyper_ch> scruffy: msttcorefonts
[10:40] <scruffy> all I know is plain Sans is ugly as a 3 eyed newt
[10:41] <scruffy> Jester45: whoops http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucida_Sans_Unicode
[10:41] <scruffy> hyper_ch, Jester45: thanks
[10:44] <Jester45> i love fserves
[10:44] <hyper_ch> what's that?
[10:44] <Jester45> they rank up with torrents
[10:44] <scruffy> g'night
[10:44] <Jester45> irc filesharing
[10:45] <Jester45> night
[10:45] <hyper_ch> oh :)
[10:45] <hyper_ch> I used XDCC on windows but haven't found anything yet for linux
[10:46] <Jester45> x chat
[10:57] <Jester45> well im going to deb
[10:57] <Jester45> its almost 4
[10:57] <Jester45> bed
[10:57] <Jester45> and m eyes burn
[11:22] <vimalg1> jester45: Do fserves support resuming transfers?
[11:22] <grazie> vimalg1: Jester45 has gone
[11:23] <hyper_ch> I have a tough choice to make... go to university to do some work... or stay here and clean the appartment...
[11:23] <vimalg1> oops
[11:24] <vimalg1> clean up the Linux kernel instead. lol
[11:24] <hyper_ch> vimalg1: cleaning the kernel? You don't want me to do that :
[02:01] <remfarkas> hi all
[02:02] <remfarkas> is there any chance i can get my readeon 8500 work with xubuntu?
[02:02] <remfarkas> i mean with 3D and with no mesa driver
[02:12] <remfarkas> is there anyone alive? ^^
[02:13] <grazie> yeah, but I don't know the answer to your question
[02:14] <remfarkas> thx anyways for response :)
[02:15] <Ramla> me neither, never had ati, but I remember having heard that 8000 series is from the better end of ati's in drivers
[02:15] <remfarkas> ati has not even working drivers for win for lower than radeon 9200
[02:16] <remfarkas> they sux with drivers..
[02:19] <Ramla> You mean vista?
[02:20] <remfarkas> no, for all win
[02:20] <Ramla> Brr, wtf
[02:22] <remfarkas> they do not support older cards than 9200
[02:23] <Ramla> Are there problems in the latest available drivers then?
[02:23] <remfarkas> yes, mankind has to look for catalyst 5.x on google to get older radeons work
[02:24] <Ramla> I see
[03:15] <root> hiho
[04:11] <keb> when i run the UpdateManager it tells me it needs ubuntu-desktop installed to do a dist-upgrade, but i already did the dist-upgrade to 6.10 last october
[04:12] <keb> and isnt xubuntu-desktop sufficient instead of ubuntu-desktop?
[04:20] <grazie> keb: sounds like you've added xubuntu-desktop to ubuntu, but now the ubuntu-desktop meta package is missing
[04:20] <keb> yes
[04:20] <keb> i removed all the crap i don't use, like evolution
[04:21] <Orionisti> Hi, I'm running Xubuntu on a laptop and would be interested to know which of the shutdown options correspond to the action of writing contents of RAM to HDD and shutting down computer, so I could take off the battery and still have the session saved.
[04:21] <keb> so i guess i have to add it back before a dist-upgrade
[04:22] <grazie> keb: sounds like it....I've not seen this scenario before
[04:22] <keb> thanks
[04:24] <grazie> keb: alternatively you could try to remove everything in ubuntu-desktop that xubuntu-desktop doesn't need, but wouldn't want to try that myself
[04:25] <keb> Orionisti : hibernation writes stuff to HDD, suspend saves only to RAM and requires power
[04:25] <keb> hmm
[04:25] <keb> grazie : too many packages ;)  also, i have beryl installed so that may complicate things
[04:26] <remfarkas> damn, who is keb, u stole my nick!! :D
[04:26] <keb> lol my nick is registered since 3 years
[04:27] <remfarkas> ok ^^
[04:27] <remfarkas> i tought i'll never meet the person who registered it before me :)
[04:27] <keb> heh
[04:28] <keb> someone registered keb on EFnet before i did
[04:28] <remfarkas> it was not me
[04:28] <remfarkas> i dont even know whats that
[04:28] <keb> another irc network
[04:29] <remfarkas> i use this, rizon and a hungarian channel only
[04:29] <Orionisti> Hm. It would seem that the laptop's Internet connection is broken...
[04:30] <remfarkas> keb, are ur repositorys changed to edgy?
[04:30] <keb> yes
[04:30] <keb> ok, i reinstalled xubuntu-desktop and now the dist-upgrade is working
[04:31] <remfarkas> nice :)
[04:31] <remfarkas> two keb's using xfce, the world is small :P
[04:31] <keb> it seems i removed a few too many things ;)
[04:31] <keb> yes we have things in common
[04:32] <remfarkas> dont say me u like sci-fi and fantasy things, maybe rpgs
[04:32] <keb> ok i won't
[04:32] <keb> but i do
[04:32] <remfarkas> ^^
[04:34] <Orionisti> Ok, question. How to fix internet connection (ADSL DHCP dynamic IP) on Xubuntu? No, I don't really know what's wrong but I Firefox cannot connect to internet.
[04:34] <keb> is laptop directly connected to your dsl modem?
[04:34] <Orionisti> via a switch, yes, and the internet worked yeterday...
[04:35] <Ulixes> hi
[04:35] <Ulixes> i've installed linux-server-image
[04:35] <keb> Orionisti are you sure that isnt a router?  router handles pppoe login for you to the modem
[04:35] <Ulixes> but now when i try to login it goes back to the login splash screen
[04:35] <Orionisti> My guess would be that my ISP changed the assigned IP but the laptop doesn't know it yet...
[04:35] <Ulixes> can you help me?
[04:36] <Orionisti> keb, well the laptop first connects to switch which relays the packets to the adsl router, ZyXel 660H.
[04:37] <Orionisti> exactly the same way this computer connects to internet, not that it matters really...
[04:39] <keb> Orionisti the zyxel hands out ip addresses to the computers connected to it, independent of the ISP.
[04:40] <Orionisti> Actually I think I disabled the NAT feature since I don't really have a need for LAN
[04:40] <keb> Orionisti : if you go into the System, Networking app on the laptop and check the settings for the ethernet connection you may find the problem
[04:40] <keb> oic
[04:41] <keb> well if you have 2 computers going through the same DSL connection you do need a LAN/NAT unless you have multiple static IPs
[04:42] <Orionisti> The ISP allows up to 5 dynamic IP addresses, so that shouldn't be a problem
[04:42] <Orionisti> The Networking options are set as automatic (DHCP)
[04:43] <keb> did you try disabling and re-enabling the connection
[04:44] <Orionisti> No, but I did unplug and replug the network cable, I'll try that now.
[04:45] <Orionisti> That trick worked, thanks =)
[04:46] <keb> :)
[04:50] <Orionisti> There seems to be some problems with the Hibernate function.
[04:51] <Orionisti> The screen went black and it says "  [ 1428.231948]  Power down.  "
[04:51] <Orionisti> The HDD activity led has been lit for several minutes now
[04:52] <Orionisti> Should I have to manually power down the computer?
[04:58] <keb> dunno
[04:59] <keb> usually when it says power down you have to manually do it, but if the HDD is lit i would wait
[04:59] <keb> maybe power management isnt enabled in the laptop bios?
[05:00] <Orionisti> ok, I removed the power cable and rebooted the laptop and the session was saved properly
[05:00] <keb> heh
[05:00] <Orionisti> but now that I selected shut down it went to login screen
[05:01] <Orionisti> and selecting shut down from login screen commences the shutdown process with the nice mouse logo, but again, HDD led is lit and computer doesn't shut itself down.
[05:02] <Orionisti> Well this problem can be solved another time, I need some fresh air.
[05:02] <keb> always a good idea
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[06:33] <hyper_ch> !install
[06:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[06:33] <hyper_ch> !software
[06:33] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[06:36] <hyper_ch> !security
[06:36] <ubotu> If you feel the need to adopt security measures for your system, check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Security - See also !root, !firewall and !server
[06:55] <Seveas> !test
[06:56] <ubotu> Failed.
[07:06] <jseiser> anyone know how i can turn my sounds on?  it always worked and now it doesnt :p
[07:20] <pygi> is Monoses here perhaps? :)
[07:23] <pygi> poke folks?
[07:25] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:26] <esenek> hello
[07:59] <ephemeros> hello
[08:53] <elquesea> hi
[08:53] <elquesea> i have a problem after apt-get upgrade a machine
[08:54] <elquesea> after booting show me a crc error
[08:54] <elquesea> is a old laptop then i cant run the live cd
[09:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> crc errors usually occur with corrupted files or faulty hardware.  I'd try running memtest, try booting with an older kernel, and if neither helps, pull the disk and check it for errors in another machine.
[09:24] <elquesea> PuMpErNiCkLe i think that is something related with corrupted files
[09:24] <elquesea> im running memtest rigth now
[09:25] <elquesea> a few ago same thing happen with an upgrade in ubuntu in the same machine
[09:25] <elquesea> and i resolve the problem reinstalling all the system
[10:45] <slow-motion> n8
[10:48] <Jester45> Hello Eveyone
[10:50] <mirf> anyone using beryl in here?
[10:50] <crdlb> mirf, ask in #ubuntu-effects
[10:50] <crdlb> if you need help
[10:51] <mirf> thanks :)
[10:54] <Jester45> mirf,  i am
[10:54] <Jester45> but that channel is for help
[10:56] <mirf> coolness
[10:56] <mirf> just giving her a test drive
[10:57] <mirf> hope I don't sell out to the 'look at my fancy desktop' crowd too much tho
[10:57] <mirf> cos it's pretty unecessary
[11:01] <Jester45> its nice to play with
[11:01] <Jester45> and to show off to windows users, tell them you can pay to get vista and get 1/4 of this or get 100% for free
[11:01] <mirf> yeah it is
[11:01] <mirf> thing is
[11:02] <mirf> my non linux friends belittle linux
[11:02] <mirf> but I'm sure all they need is somethign like this to change their tiny minds heh
[11:02] <Jester45> mirf, tell them without linux the internet is gone
[11:02] <TheSheep> mirf: if they go to linux for effects -- that's still belittling
[11:03] <mirf> yes true
[11:03] <Jester45> all the major isp and most smaller ones use linux on their serves
[11:03] <TheSheep> Jester45: untrue
[11:03] <mirf> prolly unix
[11:03] <TheSheep> Jester45: I know quite a few that use solaris, for example
[11:04] <Jester45> is solaris considered unix-like?
[11:04] <Jester45> i never looked at it that much
[11:04] <TheSheep> Jester45: even windows nt is considered unix-like
[11:05] <Jester45> really? i would say unix copier
[11:05] <TheSheep> more than linux, actually, as it has the official certificate
[11:05] <Jester45> well let me repharse, most isp use non MS OSs
[11:06] <TheSheep> most os-es are non-ms
[11:09] <Jester45> TheSheep, fine how about they use linux/unix/solaris/bsd
[11:10] <Jester45> that ok with you?
[11:10] <TheSheep> don't forget about ultrix, digital, true64, etc. ;)
[11:10] <TheSheep> and of course GNU
[11:11] <TheSheep> but I don't think anyone uses that in production
[11:12] <TheSheep> Jester45: well, there is also a number of mainframes that have a totally different approach to computing
[11:12] <Jester45> they are just weird
[11:13] <TheSheep> Jester45: no distinction of ram/disks, no directories in the filesystem
[11:13] <Jester45> brb
[11:24] <Darkkish> hey
[11:24] <Darkkish> GTK 2.0 themes... i don't think they work for me
[11:24] <TheSheep> Darkkish: what do yuo do?
[11:24] <Darkkish> i got a theme from xfce-look
[11:24] <Darkkish> and installed it
[11:24] <Darkkish> and it doesn't look like the themne on the website
[11:24] <TheSheep> Darkkish: which theme and how did you install it?
[11:25] <Darkkish> gentle 2.0 and i just put it in the theme folder
[11:25] <Darkkish> it shows up in the list
[11:25] <Darkkish> but only the xfwm looks right, the bars look ugly and so do the menus
[11:26] <Darkkish> infact the only thing that looks right is the bar of the program
[11:27] <Darkkish> TheSheep do you understand?
[11:28] <TheSheep> Darkkish: which theme and how did you install it?
[11:28] <TheSheep> :)
[11:28] <TheSheep> Darkkish: I need it to tell what's wrong
[11:28] <Darkkish> TheSheep,  i said, Gentle 2.0 and I extracted it into the themes folder
[11:28] <Darkkish> when i open the folder it has one oflder that says xfwm4 (or somethign like that)
[11:28] <TheSheep> ah, sorry
[11:29] <Darkkish> and another that says gtk 2.0
[11:29] <TheSheep> missed that
[11:29] <TheSheep> hmm... there is quite a few of them
[11:30] <TheSheep> Darkkish: you think you could give me a link to the one you tried?
[11:30] <Darkkish> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=38852 it says its only a window manager, but in his pictures, it atleast shows pretty scroll bars and things
[11:31] <TheSheep> Darkkish: well, for scrollbars and othr widgets you need the gtk 2 theme
[11:31] <TheSheep> ah, it's there
[11:31] <Darkkish> it is inside...
[11:31] <Darkkish> TheSheep,  I think its a problem with my GTK 2.0, not the theme its self
[11:32] <Darkkish> because i've noticed alot of the default themes have this ugly look too
[11:33] <TheSheep> Darkkish: that's how it looks when you don't have the engine installed for the theme
[11:33] <TheSheep> Darkkish: try this: 'sudo apt-get install gtk-engines-pixmap'
[11:34] <TheSheep> Darkkish: generally, you can always check the gtkrc file in the theme to see what engine it uses
[11:34] <TheSheep> Darkkish: and you need to have it installed
[11:34] <TheSheep> Darkkish: for the theme to display right
[11:34] <TheSheep> Darkkish: otherwise it uses a fallback engine which is not pretty
[11:35] <Darkkish> oh
[11:35] <Darkkish> why isn't it installed by default?
[11:35] <TheSheep> Darkkish: there is a lot of engines available, I guess only the ones for the official ubuntu themes are installed by default
[11:36] <Darkkish> TheSheep,  it still looks the same though...
[11:37] <TheSheep> Darkkish: did you try to switch and then swithc back?
[11:37] <Darkkish> yep
[11:38] <TheSheep> Darkkish: you have to switch it in two palces, in wm setting and in the user interface settings
[11:39] <Darkkish> I see
[11:39] <Darkkish> well, i did that just now, still didn't change anything >_>
[11:39] <Darkkish> tried switching/reswitching
[11:40] <TheSheep> hmm.. it doesn't work for me either :/
[11:40] <Darkkish> hmm
[11:41] <TheSheep> Darkkish: you need gtk2-engines-pixbuf2 it seems
[11:43] <Darkkish> couldn
[11:43] <Darkkish> "couldn't find package"
[11:43] <TheSheep> :/
[11:43] <TheSheep> Darkkish: edgy?
[11:44] <Darkkish> TheSheep, yes
[11:44] <Darkkish> er
[11:44] <Darkkish> yeah 6.10
[11:44] <TheSheep> Darkkish: maybe search for 'pixbuf' in synaptic
[11:44] <TheSheep> and see if any engine comes up
[11:45] <Darkkish> libgtk-pixbuf2
[11:45] <Darkkish> which is installed
[11:45] <Darkkish> gtk2-engines-pixbuf <-- also installed
[11:46] <TheSheep> :/
[11:47] <Darkkish> I'm pretty positive all of my repositories are enabled
[11:47] <TheSheep> yes, it might have been added in feisty
[11:47] <Darkkish> where is the list again? for repositories?
[11:48] <TheSheep> !repos
[11:48] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:48] <Darkkish> ...
[11:48] <Darkkish> !easysource
[11:48] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:48] <Darkkish> sources.list
[11:49] <Darkkish> where is it stored though
[11:49] <Darkkish> !sources.list
[11:49] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:49] <Darkkish> lol
[11:49] <Darkkish> -_-
[11:51] <TheSheep> Darkkish: in /etc/apt/
[11:51] <Darkkish> thanks
[11:52] <Darkkish> Yeah they're all enabled...
[11:52] <Darkkish> are you using fistey?
[11:53] <TheSheep> Darkkish: yes
[11:54] <TheSheep> Darkkish: you can look for a .deb for pixbuf2 though
[11:54] <Darkkish> >_>
[11:55] <Darkkish> why doesn't the gentle page say how to install that part?
[11:56] <TheSheep> Darkkish: oh, sorry, there is no p[ixbuf2 XD
[11:56] <TheSheep> Darkkish: it should work with gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[11:57] <Darkkish> i have that installed though
[11:58] <TheSheep> Darkkish: are you sure it's the gtk2 one not the gtk?
[11:58] <Darkkish> yep
[12:00] <B|nTaRa> should i upgrade to fiesty or stay as edgy ?
[12:00] <B|nTaRa> !edgy
[12:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[12:01] <B|nTaRa> !fiesty
[12:01] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[12:01] <TheSheep> B|nTaRa: still beta
[12:02] <Darkkish> TheSheep,  are you suire you have the correct window-manager selected?
[12:03] <TheSheep> Darkkish: no, I only checked the gtk theme
[12:03] <TheSheep> Darkkish: wm theme is just for the window decorations -- the top bar and borders
[12:03] <Darkkish> oh
[12:03] <Darkkish> is there a chance that restarting X would fix this?
[12:07] <limbert65> Hello?
[12:08] <TheSheep> no idea
[12:09] <BFTD> Anyone here willing to help me with my unusual networking problem?
[12:19] <limbert65> Can anybody help me with a freaky fonts problem?
[12:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !anyone | limbert65, BFTD
[12:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> hm, the bot died
[12:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's not cool.
[12:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Anyway, just ask.  Don't ask to ask.
[12:21] <limbert65> ok, thanks.  My system locked up, and after rebooting, my font sizes and icon spacings were all messed up.  I've fixed everything except desktop icon spacings (they're way too far apart), and strangely, the menu text in Firefox and Mozilla Sunbird.  Can't figure out how to get these back to normal.