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mhbRiddell: have you changed your name and told UWN editors only?12:38
mhbRiddell: (sorry about the joke, it seems they spelled your name wrong - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue33 - not sure whom I should contact to fix it)12:39
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Riddellmhb: it's a wiki, edit it01:01
Riddellfridge could do with a spell checker though01:07
Riddellnixternal: developper ^^01:07
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nixternalRiddell: fixed, sorry about that01:08
nixternalKonqueror even shows it spelled incorrectly ;)01:08
Riddellnixternal: well it's daniel's fault, not yours01:08
Riddellblame firefox01:08
nixternalRiddell: actually, no it is my fault for not catching it when "I" posted it :)01:09
Riddellnixternal: why does it have daniel's name then?01:18
nixternalhe is the original submitter of it01:19
Riddell"On March 31 2007 Zagreb will host the first Ubuntu conference in Croatia." apart from the one I single handedly held!01:21
Riddellooh, the french parliament article was corrected01:27
Riddellbit late for slashdot alas01:27
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ryanakcamembership expires?!?!?03:28
Jucatomoin everyone03:28
ryanakcahey Jucato03:28
Jucatohi ryanakca03:28
Jucato"Membership lasts for two years, and is renewable. If you don't renew your status as a member you will join the "inactive members" list. Membership can be reactivated at any time after it has lapsed, on request and with the confirmation of the Community Council."03:29
ryanakcahmm... I alwais pronounced your nick Ju-cat-oh... but it's Du-cat-oh?03:29
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Jucato"Ju" like in Jew or Dew :)03:29
ryanakcaDew... Mountain Dew?03:30
Jucatodon't tempt me! :P03:30
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Jucatosee yah :)03:30
ryanakcaOh, and, for your planet head... might want to feather it and add a backdrop... (it's really sharp/jaggedy atm)... Just making a suggestion :)03:31
JucatoI'm planning to change it soon... once I get a better pic lol03:32
JucatoI chose/made that one (very) haphazardly. I don't know what I was thinking :)03:32
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claydohanyone with admin access to kubuntu.org?05:26
Jucatoonly Riddell has (afaik)05:26
claydohdvd link on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-beta.php05:26
claydohpoints to ubuntu's dvd05:26
Jucatolet's ask him later.. it's kinda 3:27 AM at UTC :)05:27
Jucatohe's sleeping? (probably?)05:28
claydohi'll also shoot an email, ill be asleep whan he gets up05:28
claydohor at work05:28
Jucatohence the "let's"... meaning I could ask him for you later too :)05:28
claydohMondays being my 13-15 hr day at work05:29
claydohbut if you miss him, the email will be a backup :)05:29
JucatoI won't ask him anymore if you email him already :)05:30
claydohwhy not gang up on him :)05:36
claydohbut its sent05:36
claydohand im off to bed05:36
Jucatog'night claydoh!05:36
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billytwowillyhey, is konqueror in feisty supposed to not have  a url window up top?07:18
billytwowillyIt's pretty irritating.07:18
Hobbseebillytwowilly: er, it does...?07:20
billytwowillyok, so I've discovered an upgrade bug then.07:21
Jucatohi Hobbsee!07:21
billytwowillybecause mine doesn't.07:21
Hobbseehey Jucato!07:21
billytwowillyany ideas how to get it back and/or figure out why it's not there?07:22
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HobbseeJucato: with beryl, you'll get more :P07:25
Jucatohaha :)07:26
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LongPointyStickargh, no l-r-m07:37
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Jucatobeing held back...07:38
Hobbseenew packages must not exist yet07:38
Jucatoheh 2nd time this happened I think...07:39
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | test the upgrader https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | test KDE 4 "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main"
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Thu Feb 22 16:32:11 2007
crimsunfor instance.07:46
crimsunthat's an LP bug IMO07:46
crimsunyou should most definitely not be able to grab binaries that have not been NEWed07:47
crimsunif you're not a member of beta, just remove "beta." from the URL07:47
Hobbseecrimsun: you assume i can get there.  at the moment, i'm trying otu beryl, which i cant kill, without hardlocking my X, or my machine07:47
crimsunthat's ok, beryl loves yuo too!07:53
Hobbseethere are some really trippy bugs here07:58
crimsunmy favourite is the "look, I'm a pony! No really, I'm a pony! With black screen o' death!"07:59
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nixternalOK, who wants to help me bubble sort parallel arrays?08:10
crimsunerr, no thanks08:11
crimsun.oO( why bubblesort, anyhow? )08:11
crimsun#include <algorithm>  ... stable_sort()08:12
nixternalI only have a list of 5 names08:12
Hobbseenixternal: ...bubble sort....?08:12
nixternalbecause the instructor said so08:12
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crimsundude, trust me, #include <algorithm> and use stable_sort()08:13
Hobbseebubble sort isnt one of those options.08:13
Jucatoeeek... I hate having to think of sorting et al... :/08:13
Jucatobubble sort, quicksort...08:14
Jucatomoin _StefanS_08:14
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nixternaldualsort, fscksort08:16
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_StefanS_Jucato: hamstersort08:22
Jucatostill no mobile hamster :(08:23
_StefanS_what the...08:23
_StefanS_hmm you got to stand up for yourself and demand it !08:23
Jucatoyeah... and after getting into a "fight" with my sister, I don't know when it will come...08:23
Jucatowell, she can't "give it up" until she gets the new one from the office08:23
_StefanS_oh my.. there's been alot of updates during the weekend08:24
_StefanS_155mb pending08:24
Jucatolinux-restricted-modules missing in latest updates08:24
_StefanS_it will usually hold them back I think..08:25
Jucatoexcept in this case, it will still install the new kernel so when you boot into that kernel and were using proprietary drivers... no X :)08:25
_StefanS_oh yep08:26
_StefanS_its done..08:26
_StefanS_hmm I will just dont reboot it08:26
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Jucatohm... shouldn't you be *not* able to open one instance of the Software Properties (Manage Repositories) app at a time?08:28
_StefanS_donno actually08:29
Jucatoanyone can answer :)08:29
Jucatoanyway, I think that's the behavior on Ubuntu/GNOME (where the app was from originally)08:29
_StefanS_uhm whatever :)08:30
_StefanS_never use it08:30
_StefanS_gotta go take a dump08:30
_StefanS_back to attack08:34
_StefanS_I see the bluetooth issue was resovled08:34
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Jucatobecause my phone ran out of juice, and that's the only bluetooth device I have :)08:37
_StefanS_heh.. need a charger ? :)08:39
Jucatochargin' as we speak :)08:40
_StefanS_well gotta try also..08:40
Jucato(actually, I didn't realize that it was drained till you mentioned the bluetooth thing)08:40
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nixternalcrimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12116/  <- just had to keep the elements of the array in sync and it worked09:12
nixternalI have to do what the teach wants, although she has let me get away with some hacks before09:12
Jucatonixternal: can I make money off your blog posts? :)09:12
nixternalJucato: sure you can!09:12
nixternalif you can, then you are better than I am09:12
Jucatoer... s/can/may :)09:12
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Jucatohehehe :P09:13
nixternalJucato: if you make money off of my blog posts, you will end up on Dateline, to catch an Internet Scammer!09:13
nixternalseeing as you aren't here in the US, that one probably flew right over your head09:13
Jucatonixternal: that code looks unbelievably clean. now to try making sense of it :P09:13
nixternalI can make sense of it09:13
nixternalI am half way through my Intro class09:13
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nixternalJucato: as am I09:14
nixternalon that note, I am going to crash09:14
nixternal2:15am here09:14
Jucatoyeah. good night! :)09:14
Jucatohm... just notice that kaffeine isn't a direct Depends of kubuntu-desktop :)09:36
Jucatobut is still installed because of kaffeine-xine. curious :)09:36
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Jucato_StefanS_: confirmed. kdebluetooth pin helper working now :)09:40
Jucatohow nice09:40
_StefanS_Jucato: uhm ok, Mine worked without me punching in a code now..09:40
_StefanS_must have been cached somewhere09:40
Jucatoheh :)09:40
_StefanS_oh maybe I should try another pinc09:40
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_StefanS_good luck09:41
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_Sime_Riddell: hey10:25
_Sime_Riddell: I just got back from a snowboarding weekend. I'll try to get 0.8 of guidance in order today. (night bus from La Plangem, but got today off still).10:26
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Riddell_Sime_: great11:24
\shRiddell: is k3b broken right now? I can't burn cds on my t43 here :(11:26
\sh(k3b or better cdrecord)11:27
Riddell\sh: works for me11:31
poningru\sh: checked wodim wfm11:32
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oslohi i'm on kubuntu feisty with an Nvidia geforce 4 mx 440, for this graphic card the proper driver are the 1.0.9631, but since 2.6.20-13 the nvidia-glx package only provide 1.0.9733 wich doesn't work with mine; i need to switch back my xorg to nv: any ideas ??11:53
Riddelloslo: no X developers here11:54
rbrunhuberoslo: You should try #kubuntu for support requests.11:54
\shhmmm...I always get buffer underruns just before it starts to burn....gnome works11:55
Tonio_Riddell: about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/6194612:05
ubotuMalone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Confirmed] 12:05
Tonio_Riddell: jdong talks about possible /etc config files to modify to get the unmount dialog to work...12:05
Tonio_Riddell: that's policy break, but for that so old critical issue, and as it'll not be fixed before kde4, I think we should make an exception to the policy no ?12:06
Tonio_I wonder what opensuse or mandriva are doing with that issue....12:07
Tonio_also we're unsure to propore kde4 by default with feisty+1, and I really don't want to stay with that issue for one more year.....12:08
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RiddellTonio_: seems like a sane idea12:11
Tonio_Riddell: I'll investigate this today, as this is probably kde bug #1 atm... ;)12:15
Tonio_jdong as the infos, I'll ping him12:15
Tonio_Lure: ping ?12:16
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Tonio_Riddell: ho and FYI, final beta doesn't boot on macbook pro12:18
Tonio_I'll report this12:18
osloso the new nvidia-glx ( 1.0.9733 ) doesn't work for me and with 1.0.9631 i can start with nvidia on 2.6.20-12 but not on 2.6.20-13 ...12:22
oslosorry i'll go to kubuntu12:22
LureTonio_: hi12:27
Tonio_Lure: hey ;)12:27
Tonio_Lure: what is the point is the unmount dialog missing with kde ?12:28
Tonio_Lure: I cannot find any bug related to this on nightmare kde bts...12:28
LureTonio_: I think it is related to hal changes12:28
Tonio_I'm pretty sure there exist a workarroud somewhere12:28
Tonio_Lure: it is12:28
LureTonio_: probably, but nobody really looked into this (beside jdong)12:28
Tonio_Lure: but there is certainly a workarround by fixing hal in /etc12:28
Tonio_Lure: we can probably make an exception to the debian policy for this12:29
Tonio_Lure: this is critical issue (data loss)12:29
Tonio_Lure: I'm downloading opensuse live to check if they fixed it or not12:29
LureTonio_: if you wait couple of seconds, then no data loss ;-)12:29
LureTonio_: I think it is important bug, but not end of world12:30
Tonio_Lure: last time I tried (copying 2 gb datas) I had to wait 10 minutes.........12:30
Tonio_Lure: for average joe this is a nightmare bug, honnestly12:30
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LureTonio_: yep, right - I typically use it for small amounts on my key12:31
Tonio_I can't find related bug for suse or mandriva, anything refers to kubuntu........12:31
Tonio_nothing on kde bts too..... strange....12:31
Tonio_I know that's upstream issue, but there is certainly a fix/workarround if nobody complains12:32
Tonio_as you can see :)12:32
Tonio_or this: http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=kde+%22unmount+dialog%22+hal+usb+keys&btnG=Rechercher&meta=12:33
Tonio_or this too :)12:33
Tonio_I can see 2 options :12:33
Tonio_everyone uses kubuntu :)12:33
Tonio_or there is a fix somewhere :)12:33
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rbrunhuberTonio_ : Or kubuntu has just the smartest users who are the only to realize this glitch :-)12:35
Tonio_rbrunhuber: hehe, I doubt that :)12:35
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ubotuMalone bug 93141 in k3b "Should update to k3b 1.0 before feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed] 12:59
Kmosit will be available for feisty ?12:59
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Riddellonly the 10th person to ask :)01:00
Jucatohm... I think 10th+...01:01
Jucatocounting people in #kubuntu of course :D01:01
KmosI think it should be included, it fixes many bugs01:03
Kmosand don't break other software01:03
Kmosi use it with ubuntu, with kdelibs :)01:03
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=== Jucato is sad w/ the latest updates to nvidia :)
Jucatohi Hobbsee02:54
Tm_TJucato: ugh, did drop support for olred hardware or something?02:54
JucatoHobbsee: any chance of using your pointy stick to "encourage" core devs to have 3 nvidia drivers? :)02:54
HobbseeJucato: er, close to none02:55
rbrunhuberJucato : Even better free than three :-)02:55
Jucatoheh :)02:56
rbrunhuberJucato : Don't you think this will be merged back in the legacy drivers by nvidia? I can't believe ther will be a geforce 4 gap for long.02:57
Tm_Trbrunhuber: mooh02:57
Jucatorbrunhuber: maybe... but as of version 9755, nvidia supports 3 "groups": current, 96xx, and 71xx02:58
rbrunhuberJucato : Don't you think they will release a 71xx+96xx legacy package + current03:00
JucatoI really don't know with nvidia... I haven't used Linux that long to monitor how they handle this sort of transition...03:00
rbrunhuberJucato : I'm not sure if they ever had such a transition before. I mean 2+ legacy packages + 1 current.03:01
Jucatowe could probably wait to see if nvidia will merge 71xx and 96xx... but in the meantime... what do we 96xx users do? we will be forced to stick to edgy, or use the drivers from nvidia.com or use nv03:02
Tm_TJucato: you can say about this in #ubuntu-kernel (?) but well, don't know if they will listen you :/03:05
rbrunhuberJucato:  I don't know: Cry, Complain, Demonstrate, suicide :-)?03:05
Jucatowell, I thought poking Hobbsee would be nice :)03:06
LureRiddell: any news regarding k3b? I am updating k9copy for UVFe and it looks like it needs k3b 1.0 to build03:07
RiddellLure: tollef said he'll look at it03:16
Hobbseedid someone put thru a polyester upload or something???03:20
Riddellnot so's I've noticed, why?03:22
Hobbseehrm.  it's buggering up my firefox settings03:22
HobbseeRiddell: meeting is in 6.5 hours, isnt it?03:22
RiddellHobbsee: yes03:23
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ubotuSchedule for Etc/UTC: 27 Mar 08:00: MOTU | 27 Mar 20:00: Technical Board | 28 Mar 20:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 22:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 20:00: Marketing Team03:23
Jucatoyay nothing for me :)03:24
hungerWhy do all my KDE apps suddenly use .Net style?03:24
Riddellhunger: they shouldn't03:24
hungerWhat is supposed to be the default style?03:25
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Jucatopolyester for Feisty03:26
viviersfoh ya03:26
hungerNeither plastik nor polyester is installed.03:26
hungerAll was well yesterday:-(03:26
Jucatoah that's why it goes to .Net...03:26
Hobbseewhat the....03:27
hungerI did a biggish KDE update this morning. Is it possible that caused the styles to vanish?03:27
=== Hobbsee blames beryl
Jucatohm.. my updates earlier didn't seem to uninstall anything03:28
hungerJucato: All my "old" apps still look OK, it is just the stuff I started recently that uses .Net style.03:28
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Jucatoprobably because Plastik or Polyester were uninstalled? :/03:29
hungerHmmm... kde-style-polyester is still installed.03:29
hungerReinstalling it does not help.03:31
hungerLooks like only the default qt styles are available.03:31
hunger.net, cde, win98, motif, motif plus, phase, platinum and sgi. That's it.03:32
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=== Hobbsee blames beryl
hungerHobbsee: That is not installed.03:34
Tm_Thmm, I have no problems03:35
Hobbseehunger: ohhhh!03:35
Hobbseeis that it!03:35
Tm_Tall qt styles are there, also Beryl is03:35
Tm_Tthough I don't run Beryl03:35
HobbseeTm_T: what was just upgraded?03:36
Hobbseethe qt stuff03:36
Tm_Twell, some time ago yes03:37
hungerTm_T: Did you restart? Only freshly started apps are effected here.03:38
Hobbseeno, there was somethign qt based upgraded tonight03:38
Tm_Thunger: well, I did start kcontrol for example (:03:39
Tm_Tto check if all styles are still there, and they are03:39
hungerTm_T: Great:-( I hate Beta... that is when everything breaks for me.03:39
hungerTm_T: kcontrol does not work at all here:-(03:40
hungerTm_T: That is almost completely empty.03:40
Jucatosudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?03:40
hungerJucato: Is already at the newest version.03:41
Jucatoreally weird...03:41
Jucatohm.. could it be environment variables?03:41
hungerJucato: Possible, but it worked yesterday and I did not log out, so it is not very likely.03:42
=== Jucato squeezes his brain for more ideas...
Jucatooh btw, nice group pic :)03:42
=== Hobbsee attempts to figure out what she upgraded today
Jucatothat's what I love about aptitude :)03:43
Hobbsee libqt3-mt is the package03:44
hungerI upgraded qt at 14:44. I guess this is when stuff broke.03:44
Hobbseehunger: you got 3.5.6 feisty repos enabled, by any chance?03:46
hungerHobbsee: Only a.u.c/u feisty main restricted universe multiverse03:47
Hobbseeoh, found it03:48
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Hobbseehunger: go back to version qt-x11-free | 3:3.3.8-0ubuntu2 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Sources03:49
HobbseeRiddell: ping?03:49
Riddellg'day sport03:49
Hobbseehunger: once you do that, all works fine03:49
HobbseeRiddell: why the qt breakage?03:49
Riddellwhat's all broken?03:50
HobbseeRiddell: qt-x11-free - see backscroll03:50
Hobbsee[23:31]  <hunger> Looks like only the default qt styles are available.03:51
Tm_Tbut all fine here03:51
HobbseeTm_T: open a new window?03:51
Tm_TI do it all the time03:51
hungerHobbsee: Yeap, downgrading fixes things for me.03:51
Hobbseehunger: nice03:51
hungerHobbsee: Thanks!03:51
Tm_THobbsee: I can even try new KDE session if you don't trust me yet :p03:52
hungerAny idea why kcontrol is empty? The guidance thingy works fine, so I never bothered to investigate.03:52
HobbseeTm_T: which version do you have installed?03:52
Tm_THobbsee: version of what exactly?03:52
hungerTm_T: libqt3-mt03:52
JucatoI will find out in a few minutes, too I guess..03:52
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Tm_TInstalled: 3:3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu103:53
Tm_Tintersting versionname03:53
hungerTm_T: That is the one that broke for me.03:53
HobbseeTm_T: you should see the ones for the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics03:53
hungerOh, the joy of beta versions:-|03:53
Tm_THobbsee: 0.14.6-0ubuntu7 <- what's interesting in this03:54
HobbseeTm_T: no, what they used to be03:54
hungerWith alpha stuff the fixes at least come in so fast that you have no time to experience the bugs:-)03:54
Tm_THobbsee: ah, roger03:54
Hobbseeincluding versions of -seriously-this-time03:54
=== Tm_T waits versions of -including-poetry-by-sarah-hobbs
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seanor22hello everyone !03:55
=== Hobbsee cant write poetry
=== hunger feels like a gentoo user: Constantly waiting for (KDE4) to build.
seanor22Anyone familiar with the kubuntu upgrader tool ?03:56
Tm_THobbsee: even to versionlines?03:56
seanor22my kubuntu upgrader is stuck on preparing the upgrade -> 71 files out of 7303:56
seanor22what can I do03:56
seanor22I'd like to help out on the beta, but have no dvd player03:57
HobbseeRiddell: ^03:58
Riddellseanor22: downloading or installing/configuring?03:58
seanor22Fetching file 71 of 7303:59
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Riddellseanor22: sounds like a network or archive server problem03:59
Riddellseanor22: you sure it's stuck and not just a long download?03:59
seanor22Riddell: I have an excellent connection, and it went 1-99% in less than a second04:00
Riddellseanor22: try quitting and restarting04:01
Riddelltry changing the mirror if you keep getting the problem04:01
seanor22Riddell: I've tried from work and home04:01
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seanor22Riddell: quit restart does nothing04:02
Jucatowb Hobbsee :)04:02
seanor22Riddell: what mirror should I put ?04:02
=== hunger waits for a fixed qt3.
seanor22Riddell: Just got error message04:02
Riddellseanor22: plain archive.ubuntu.com probably the most reliable04:03
Riddellseanor22: what's that?04:03
seanor22Riddell: Can I paste it somewhere ?04:03
seanor22ok, one of my repositories (packages.freecontrib.org) causes an error04:03
=== Hobbsee now has a nice konvi
Riddellseanor22: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/04:04
JucatoHobbsee: implying konvi wasn't nice before? :)04:04
HobbseeJucato: not using motif...no.04:05
JucatoHobbsee: lol :)04:05
hungerEver tried to change a name of a file in /tmp when building kde4?04:06
hungerDoes not work: Whenever the directory contents changes (that is whenever the compiler starts at a new file) the edit-thingy is closed:-)04:07
Tm_Thmm, now I must try konversation with motif04:08
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Tm_Konviooh, this is rather nice )(04:10
Tm_Konvilooks somewhat interesting, especially with Oxygen icons04:11
RiddellTm_Konvi: what's that?04:11
Jucatomotif widget style? O.o04:12
Tm_KonviKonversation with motif style04:12
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Tm_Konviold meets new interestingly now04:12
JucatoTm_Konvi has perverted taste :)04:13
Tm_Konvibetter not to mention last night, Jucato04:13
Jucatodon't let the cat out of the bag04:13
Tm_Tmust use motif style somewhere someday04:14
Tm_Tback to testing ->04:15
JucatoHobbsee, Tm_T: I can confirm hunger's bug too :)04:27
Jucatoluckily, I'm using Domino :P04:29
nixternalgood morning!04:35
Hobbseeheya nixternal!04:36
Jucatomoin nixternal!04:36
nixternaleasy now, to much highlighting is bad for one's eyes04:36
Jucatonixternal: hehehe :)04:36
Jucatonixternal: oops sorry04:36
Tm_Tnixternal: what eye?04:38
Tm_Tsingular one?04:38
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Tm_Tnixternal: http://www.yesworld.com/lyrics/Drama.html04:39
Tm_Tnixternal: see the Machine Messiah Part 2 endlines04:40
nixternalis that what I think it is?04:40
nixternal</mind in gutter>04:41
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Tm_Tbtw it's sometimes fun to speak only using song names etc04:43
Tm_Tand no, I do not listen music too much04:43
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LureRiddell: is it ok to include fixes like this in k3b 1.0 package: kde 143181 and kde 14323604:55
ubotuKDE bug 143181 in general "burn speed can no longer be set" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14318104:56
ubotuKDE bug 143236 in Video DVD "unable to calculate video image size and fail when adding files" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14323604:56
fdovingLure: must be.04:59
Lurefdoving: I think so too, I just want to know if Ridell want them before inclusion or after ;-)05:00
fdovingthey are all "one"-liners.05:00
Lurefdoving: particularly the first one ;-)05:00
fdovingyeah, the second one is bigger.05:01
fdovingbut much of the second one are comments.05:01
Lurefdoving: but I agree they are important fixes that we should watch and include before release05:01
Lurefdoving: such bugs can cause lots of bad taste to users05:01
fdovingi'm totaly for inclusion.05:02
RiddellLure: guess so05:02
fdovingor atleast SRUs on the day of the release.05:02
=== hunger grumbles about usplash.
hungersince that was introduced nobody seems to care about error messages during bootup anymore:-(05:03
LureRiddell: do you want to update current package before inclusion or we should wait?05:03
Lurehunger: remove "quiet" from grub line05:03
hungerLure: I did. That is why all the errors and warning still annoy me:-)05:03
RiddellLure: may as well do it now05:04
Lurehunger: most people anyway do not read any messages during boot, so nothing is lost ;-)05:04
LureRiddell: ok, will update the package05:04
hungerLure: Yes, that seems to be the tenor:-(05:04
fdovingI've disabled usplash and remove quiet from the kernel parameters.05:05
fdovingneed to keep track of what's going on.05:06
Jucatodon't know if that was fixed already (in feisty). last week, removing "quiet" while keeping "splash" broke usplash.05:06
hungerfdoving: Same here.05:07
hungerfdoving: do you enjoy all those PHYSDEV is deprecated warnings as much as I do? And the "no such module: ScanPCI" error and all the rest?05:07
fdovingi only have the PHYSDEV ones.05:08
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hungerfdoving: There is even a patch for that in LP:-(05:08
fdovingthat's embarrasing for the maintainer.05:08
fdovinggosh.. this irssi notification thing from nixternals blog is annoying.05:09
gnomefreakfdoving: notification thing?05:13
apokryphosfdoving: why?05:13
fdovingcheck it out and find out.05:15
Jucatofdoving: notification when you're highlighted?05:15
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Jucatowb Hobbsee (again)05:15
Jucatofdoving: aaah05:15
Jucatofdoving: probably like Konvi's OSD05:16
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billytwowillyso the location toolbar dissapears in konqueror after a while of with no option to put it back. How do I fix this?05:26
Jucatobillytwowilly: right-clicking on a toolbar to bring up the toolbar menu?05:26
Jucatoor Settings menu -> Toolbars?05:26
billytwowillyonly search, main, speech and extra are available, no location05:27
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manchickenBig update today.05:30
Jucatoqt updates gonna bork your widget styles :)05:31
Riddellpatience patience05:34
manchickenFun :)05:34
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JucatoRiddell: no hurries. at least nothing actually breaks :)05:34
manchickenupgrades are like a box of chocolates.  You never know what you're going to get.05:34
Jucato(not like the nvidia driver :()05:35
HobbseeRiddell: for the meeting tomorrow, can you give me a wakeup call please?05:35
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RiddellHobbsee: ok05:35
HobbseeRiddell: thanks05:36
Jucatomust be cool... the Kubuntu guy giving you a personal wake up call :)05:37
mhba meeting?05:37
JucatoMOTU meeting I think05:37
HobbseeJucato: when i can hear who on earth it is, yes :P05:37
Jucatolol :)05:37
Hobbseei can hear bits of a UK accent, usually.05:37
Hobbseethe knowing that i'm going to get a phonecall tends to wake me up enough at all05:38
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=== Jucato remembers Mez DJ'ing :P
mhbgood afternoon05:39
Hobbseehiya mhb!05:39
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Jucatobye Hobbsee!05:39
mhbI almost forgot the greeting05:39
Jucatosweet dreams :)05:39
mhbgood night Hobbsee05:39
Jucatomhb: good afternoon to you too :)05:39
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apokryphosno true Scotsman!05:39
=== Jucato wonders what accent apokryphos has...
LeeJunFanRiddell: as far as my kdesktop crash, I'm leaning towards thinking it's caused by kpowersave in conjunction with DPMS, I can't recreate it easily, but it seems to not happen if I have DPMS off.05:40
apokryphosJucato: the only real English one: London ;)05:40
Jucatohehehe :)05:40
LeeJunFanRiddell: however it also doesn't happen if I just set DPMS w/o kpowersave.05:40
fdovingwhat's the policy on feisty questions in #kubuntu? - do we tell people to go to #ubuntu+1?.. some people have an idea that fesity questions are not ok in #kubuntu.. i don't understand why.05:46
LeeJunFanused to be #kubuntu-testers05:46
LeeJunFanthe channel is still there but nearly empty.05:47
Hobbseefdoving: it's usually #ubuntu+105:47
Hobbseehowever, if it's kde specific, then ask in #kubuntu05:47
Jucatofdoving: I usually tell them to go to #ubuntu+1 unless it's a very specific Kubuntu question like packaging or the dist-upgrade tool, then I tell them to go here05:47
Jucatofdoving: the disadvantage of having feisty questions in #kubuntu is that some people either get alarmed or confused about some situations, like broken stuff or updates05:48
Jucatojust imho though05:48
fdovingwell.. maybe.05:49
fdovingbut i still find it strange. :)05:50
Hobbseether'es no point in a #kubuntu+105:50
fdovingno, no more channels... please.05:50
Hobbseefdoving: have you hit the freenode channel limit yet?05:50
fdovingHobbsee: i try to leave channels with limited activity.05:51
fdoving15 currently.05:51
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Hobbseeamateur :P05:51
fdovingyou can read the logs somewhere on the net you know. you don't have to be in the channels all the time :)05:52
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Hobbseeoh, machine got rebooted05:53
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Hobbseereally bed time05:56
Jucatoanyone here on feisty got kdmtheme installed?05:56
Hobbseepossibly, why?05:56
Hobbseebah, ask me tomorrow.05:56
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mhbbug 106:13
ubotuMalone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106:13
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lucas_Is there any break in the kubuntu artwork ?06:24
lucas_seems that a theme had gone06:24
Riddellyes yes, qt themes broke06:24
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Riddellkdelibs seems to be compiling now, I'll upload it in a sec06:24
lucas_no worries, it was just to report the fact06:25
lucas_dinosaur-rus: hi06:25
lucas_Riddell: thanks for quick feed back06:25
dinosaur-ruswas glext.h in nvidia-glx-dev modified my Ubuntu staff?06:25
Mezbug 6947906:30
ubotuMalone bug 69479 in katapult "SRU: katapult" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6947906:30
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jetsaredimcan someone help me recover my system??06:32
jetsaredimI just tried that updater tool and things are not looking pretty06:32
lucas_it s a break in qt theme06:32
lucas_dixit riddell a few lines higher06:32
jetsaredimmy biggest problem is that for some reason my nvidia drivers were away06:32
lucas_yes yes, qt themes broke06:33
lucas_ kdelibs seems to be compiling now, I'll upload it in a sec06:33
jetsaredimand I can't seem to get them to reinstall under the current kernel tree06:33
nixternalRiddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kubuntu-docs_7.04.debdiff  <- closes 5 bugs06:33
lucas_I gueand quoting riddell06:33
lucas_I said , I stop quoting riddell06:34
lucas_jetsaredim: but I have no clue for your driver problem06:35
jetsaredimI tried removing nvidia-glx and then reinstalling, but that didn't work either06:36
lucas_jetsaredim: but do you hava a problem with your driver ? or is it just a problem with the bad looking gui06:37
jetsaredimdriver is gone06:37
dinosaur-ruswas glext.h in nvidia-glx-dev modified my Ubuntu staff?06:37
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lucas_jetsaredim: oups it's quite anoying, do you have nvidia written in your xoog.conf or just nv ?06:39
rouzicHi all06:39
lucas_rouzic: hi06:39
rouzicI have a problem with a packacge libqt3-mt in Feisty06:40
jetsaredimlucas_: nvidia06:40
jetsaredimI was able to run X -configure to get something workable06:40
jetsaredimbut otherwise nothing06:41
jetsaredimby workable I mean getting some display with the devfault drivers06:41
jetsaredimI even tried apt-get remove, clean, install06:42
jetsaredimand I still get nothing06:42
dinosaur-rusjetsaredim: does Xorg print any error messages?06:42
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jetsaredimnot to mention the fact that I got switched to the 386 kernel rather than the generic06:42
jetsaredimdinosaur-rus: yea - error: no driver for nvidia06:42
rouzicSince I updated the package libqt3-mt, me there appears the style "CDE" and me Plastik does not appear not polyester in the list of styles06:43
jetsaredimits not that my xorg is wrong, its that the driver just isn't on my system at all06:43
dinosaur-rusjetsaredim: incompatible driver/kernel versions?06:43
jetsaredimeven though dpkg says that nvidia-glx is installed06:43
jetsaredimthe funny thing is06:43
lucas_rouzic: Devs are aware and a fix is coming06:44
jetsaredimI did a --listfiles on nvidia-glx and there is no ko listed06:44
dinosaur-rusjetsaredim: it's in linux-restricted-modules06:44
rouzicThanks;). So I do not worry?06:44
jetsaredimdinosaur-rus: ?06:44
dinosaur-rusjetsaredim: nvidia.ko is in linux-restricted-modules package06:45
lucas_rouzic: No need to reinstall,  it is't hat you mean06:45
jetsaredimI do have the l-r-m-generic installed06:45
rouzicLucas_: this way for that I hope that there is an update of the package?06:46
lucas_rouzic: me too06:46
dinosaur-rusjetsaredim: may be try to re-install the correct kernel?06:46
jetsaredimdinosaur-rus: you mean the 386?06:46
lucas_rouzic: I guess he updae is on the road06:46
jetsaredimthe problem with that is it doesn't have SMP support06:46
rouzicThanks lucas_06:47
lucas_rouzic: You welcome, I have the same problem and wondering how I could fix this06:48
dinosaur-rusjetsaredim: try to re-install generic kernel package06:48
lucas_rouzic:  untill I come here06:48
jetsaredimdinosaur-rus: interestinhg06:48
jetsaredimwhen I do a listfiles on the l-r-m-generic it lists only copyright files06:49
dinosaur-russomeone please tell me, was GL/glext.h file in nvidia-glx-dev package modified by Ubuntu team or nVidia read my bug report? :)06:49
rouziclucas_: The aspect me resembles Vista :p06:49
dinosaur-rusjetsaredim: it's metapackage which depends on the latest version of real package06:50
lucas_rouzic: :p06:51
rouziclucas_: speak spanish?06:51
lucas_no french, I can read a bit of spanish but I can't express myself06:53
lucas_rouzic: sorry06:54
rouzicLucas is a habitual Spanish name06:55
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lucas_rouzic: with an s ? It a also a typical italian and french too06:56
rouzicah, oks :p06:56
lucas_very popular hehe06:56
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rouziclucas_: http://rouzic.net/?q=node/2607:03
lucas_rouzic: I do have exactly he same aspect07:04
lucas_But I dont dl prison break ;)07:04
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rouzicprison break? is great!07:10
Riddellnixternal: hmm, we're in string freeze07:13
Riddellnixternal: uploaded07:17
nixternalya, I already manually uploaded the changes to Rosetta07:18
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Tonio_Riddell: talking about the new k3b theme, that makes the window slow, if 1.0 reaches the repo, I'll fix kds to change the default one in use....07:22
Tonio_Riddell: old theme is nice and way better concerning the speed07:22
RiddellTonio_: mm, I wouldn't, half the point of 1.0 is fancy new theme07:24
Tonio_Riddell: latest libqt3-mt breaks kde styles07:27
Tonio_Riddell: are you aware of that ?07:27
Tonio_Riddell: bah, lots of things have changed in k3b, not only the style, but that can be discussed :)07:28
Tonio_Riddell: the libqt3-mt issue is more important :)07:28
rouzicTonio_: :D07:28
Tonio_rouzic: confirming ?07:28
rouzicTonio_: image: http://rouzic.net/?q=node/2607:29
RiddellTonio_: I uploaded kdelibs and polyester some minutes ago to fix it07:29
rouzicRiddell: plastik fall07:29
RiddellI refer the honourable gentleman to the remarks I gave some moments ago07:30
Tonio_Riddell: ho just a matter of rebuilding kdelibs then ?07:30
RiddellTonio_: yes, any other styles uploaded since 3.3.8 was in will need the same07:30
Tonio_Riddell: great07:31
Tonio_Riddell: currently burning opensuse to check if they have fixed the media/hal issue07:31
Tonio_Riddell: I want that fixed for the release07:31
Tonio_media/dbus sorry07:32
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Tonio_Riddell: opensuse has the bug too :)08:00
n8k99is there a java ide for kubuntu? or does kdevelop-multple languages cover that?08:05
Riddell_Sime_, sebas: the wine config module needs an updated script for installing wine08:16
nixternalor drinking wine08:21
nixternalI have heard of cooking wine, drinking wine, but never installing wine :p08:21
n8k99drinking is just a method of installing, right?08:22
nixternalI guess you are correct on that one08:22
Riddell_Sime_: updated in svn08:23
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jetsaredimcan someone explain why knetworkmanager depends on dhcp3?08:49
jetsaredimwhy can't there be some sort of virtual dependency on a dhcp client?08:49
Riddellbecause then it couldn't reliably run dhcp08:50
Riddellit's a packaging issue anyway08:50
Riddellacutally it doesn't08:50
Riddellbut I presume network-manager itself will08:51
jetsaredimwhat about dhcpcd?08:51
Riddellwhat about it08:53
Riddellnetwork manager has quite specific requirements for what it needs from its dhcp client08:53
jetsaredimthat sux considering dhclient breaks my vpn connection08:54
jetsaredimwhere are these requirements?08:55
Riddellsomewhere in network-manager08:56
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LureRiddell: thanks for returning me back in 1995 of Linux desktop ;-)09:16
LureRiddell: I did not notice how much stuff has improved in all these years ;-)09:16
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jetsaredimnothing like a broken kde install09:22
Tm_TI sent one guy with qt3 issue to here so be prepared ;)09:24
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LeeJunFanthe qt3 ugly issue? that new lib been uploaded yet?09:25
Tm_Tmee dosa know09:25
Riddellyes, new kdelibs has been uploaded09:26
Tm_Taah, splendid, now I know (:09:26
LeeJunFanTm_T: it'll take a bit to hit the mirrors though.09:26
lucas_is it available in the main ropsitory ?09:26
LeeJunFanTm_T: it hasn't hit us or gb yet I know.09:27
Tm_TLeeJunFan: well I don't use mirrors myself09:27
lucas_me neither09:27
LeeJunFanI usually use gb, even though I'm in the USA, I can download 400K/s+ from gb, us anywhere from 15K to 200k.09:28
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LeeJunFanguaqua: MB or Mb?09:29
LeeJunFanguaqua: holy crap, must be nice.09:29
guaquatook me 2 minutes to download the update packages from edgy to feisty :)09:29
LeeJunFanthat's about as fast as most notebook hd's can write :)09:30
guaquai think my hd had a hard time too09:30
LeeJunFanI keep a local mirror of i386 on my external HD for the systems I work on that have ubuntu.09:31
guaquathat works aswell09:32
Tm_Tguaqua: slap me if/when there's some changes ;)09:36
guaquaTm_T: i'm trying to keep an eye on the repos09:36
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Tm_TI got qt10:01
fdovingTm_T: my patch to hide those evil messages from apt made it into feisty apt :)10:03
Tm_Tfdoving: oh, good, very good, now it's behind switch right?10:05
fdovingit's one of the debug options.10:06
fdovingyou can pass it as an switch if you use -o10:06
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Riddellkwwii: -> #ubuntu-meeting if you're around10:07
Tm_Tfdoving: ok, good10:07
Tm_Tfdoving: and thanks10:07
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guaquaTm_T: which repo did you use?10:38
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Tm_Tguaqua: archive srraight10:43
Tm_Tagh, well, no mirrors10:44
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Tonio_Riddell: I couldn't be there at the meeting, sorry... is that over ?11:21
Tonio_and if so, any log available ?11:21
RiddellTonio_: it's over, log in the usual place11:23
RiddellTonio_: 1) is your travel sorted  2) register for meeting on launchpad  3) any comments or suggestions for agenda items11:23
RiddellTonio_: oh and are you handling kdebluetooth?11:23
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Tonio_grmpf........ I'm getting disconnected every 10 minutes since yesterday.....11:26
kwwiiTonio_: file a bug :p11:34
Tonio_kwwii: haha :)11:39
Tonio_that's my isp..... it sucks......11:39
RiddellI got a grumpy letter from my ISP yesterday, seems I'm using too much bandwidth and they're going to restrict my usage11:42
guaquayou don't have a consumer connection?11:42
kwwiiTonio_: I thought you had the amazing internet/tv connection11:43
Riddellguaqua: I have a cheap connection11:43
Tm_TRiddell: oh well, DarkShock is using dialup? :/11:44
manchickenRiddell: Did they specify what an appropriate level of usage is?11:44
Tm_Tthough he's more just codemonkey ;)11:44
Tonio_kwwii: that changed when I leaved my appartment ;)11:45
Tonio_kwwii: but I'll rechange and will resubscribe to that isp :)11:45
Tonio_Riddell: ouch........11:46
guaquaRiddell: sounds like the kind of deal you get for cheap...someone can actually impose limits afterwards without consulting11:46
Riddellmanchicken: nothing so useful, they also said they're restricting my download speed at peak hours but didn't say what those hours were11:46
manchickenDo you have a contract?11:47
Riddellmanchicken: they finished by saying that if I happen to want to change providers they're cool with that despite my contract :)11:47
manchickenDid they say how much bandwidth you were using?11:47
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guaquai'd like to know what is that magical limit :S11:48
Riddellmanchicken: nope11:48
Tm_Tanyway, bedtime ->11:48
RiddellTm_T: these things called ISOs11:48
Tm_TRiddell: you criminal! :)11:48
manchickenRiddell: Interesting.  If you find out what that limit is, I would be curious :)11:48
Tm_Tgoodnight etc -> ->11:48
kwwiiit's all that pr0n11:49
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kwwiiand with the amazingly un-witty comment, time for sleep11:51
Riddell[ade] : allow me to reassure you we normally talk about sensible things here11:51
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manchicken[ade] : Don't you believe it.11:51
[ade] i can imagine11:51
Riddell[ade] : 1) is your travel sorted  2) register for meeting on launchpad  3) any comments or suggestions for agenda items11:51
Riddellwas about what we discussed11:52
Riddell[ade] , Tonio: topics I have are http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/uds-subjects11:52
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[ade] (1) no (2) what's that? (3) i will read the log11:52
kwwiihehe, he knows me! I am only like this 50% of the time11:52
Riddell[ade] : 2) is https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/+attend11:53
RiddellTonio_: your travel sorted?11:53
Riddelljjesse: what are you doing in the last week of october?11:53
jjesseRiddell: last week of october?  nothing yet? should i schedule something?11:54
Riddelljjesse: come along to UDS11:54
jjesseis that the one in sevilla or the one for feisty +2?11:55
Riddellit's for feisty+211:55
Riddellit's east coast of your continent11:55
jjesseoh nice11:55
Tonio_Riddell: not at the moment, I'll do that toonight11:56
jjesseRiddell: i'll plan on it11:56
jjesseeastern northern america11:56
jjesseis feisty +2 the next long term support or has that not been discussed?11:56
Riddelllikely is11:57
jjesseok making dinner11:59
Tonio_Riddell: sounds nice, what I wanted to discuss is already there....12:00
Riddellhmm, where are the irc logs anyway?12:00
Tonio_a few other things in mind but they don't deserve a meeting, we'll discuss that there ;)12:01
LureRiddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/12:01
RiddellLure: nothing there for ubuntu-meeting12:01
LureRiddell: you just need to wait a bit12:02
LureRiddell: or it is above your isp cap ;-)12:02
LureRiddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html12:03
Riddellmm, so it is12:06
Tonio_Riddell: you are going by train ? how long is that ?12:09
[ade] the agent booked a flight out of amsterdam at 8:10 am, where the first train gets in to amsterdam at 8:01; i'm waiting for a reply from them now, will probably end up taking the train after all.12:09

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