[12:38] <mhb> Riddell: have you changed your name and told UWN editors only?
[12:39] <mhb> Riddell: (sorry about the joke, it seems they spelled your name wrong - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue33 - not sure whom I should contact to fix it)
[01:01] <Riddell> mhb: it's a wiki, edit it
[01:07] <Riddell> fridge could do with a spell checker though
[01:07] <Riddell> nixternal: developper ^^
[01:08] <nixternal> Riddell: fixed, sorry about that
[01:08] <nixternal> Konqueror even shows it spelled incorrectly ;)
[01:08] <Riddell> nixternal: well it's daniel's fault, not yours
[01:08] <Riddell> blame firefox
[01:09] <nixternal> Riddell: actually, no it is my fault for not catching it when "I" posted it :)
[01:18] <Riddell> nixternal: why does it have daniel's name then?
[01:19] <nixternal> he is the original submitter of it
[01:21] <Riddell> "On March 31 2007 Zagreb will host the first Ubuntu conference in Croatia." apart from the one I single handedly held!
[01:27] <Riddell> ooh, the french parliament article was corrected
[01:27] <Riddell> bit late for slashdot alas
[03:28] <ryanakca> membership expires?!?!?
[03:28] <Jucato> moin everyone
[03:28] <ryanakca> hey Jucato
[03:28] <Jucato> hi ryanakca
[03:29] <Jucato> "Membership lasts for two years, and is renewable. If you don't renew your status as a member you will join the "inactive members" list. Membership can be reactivated at any time after it has lapsed, on request and with the confirmation of the Community Council."
[03:29] <ryanakca> hmm... I alwais pronounced your nick Ju-cat-oh... but it's Du-cat-oh?
[03:29] <ryanakca> ah
[03:29] <ryanakca> phew
[03:29] <Jucato> "Ju" like in Jew or Dew :)
[03:30] <ryanakca> Dew... Mountain Dew?
[03:30] <Jucato> don't tempt me! :P
[03:30] <ryanakca> lol
[03:30] <Jucato> see yah :)
[03:31] <ryanakca> Oh, and, for your planet head... might want to feather it and add a backdrop... (it's really sharp/jaggedy atm)... Just making a suggestion :)
[03:32] <Jucato> thanks
[03:32] <Jucato> I'm planning to change it soon... once I get a better pic lol
[03:32] <ryanakca> lol
[03:32] <Jucato> I chose/made that one (very) haphazardly. I don't know what I was thinking :)
[03:32] <ryanakca> lol
[05:26] <claydoh> anyone with admin access to kubuntu.org?
[05:26] <Jucato> only Riddell has (afaik)
[05:26] <claydoh> dvd link on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-beta.php
[05:26] <claydoh> points to ubuntu's dvd
[05:27] <Jucato> let's ask him later.. it's kinda 3:27 AM at UTC :)
[05:27] <claydoh> so?
[05:27] <claydoh> :)
[05:28] <Jucato> he's sleeping? (probably?)
[05:28] <claydoh> i'll also shoot an email, ill be asleep whan he gets up
[05:28] <claydoh> or at work
[05:28] <Jucato> hence the "let's"... meaning I could ask him for you later too :)
[05:29] <claydoh> Mondays being my 13-15 hr day at work
[05:29] <Jucato> ouch
[05:29] <claydoh> but if you miss him, the email will be a backup :)
[05:30] <Jucato> I won't ask him anymore if you email him already :)
[05:36] <claydoh> why not gang up on him :)
[05:36] <claydoh> but its sent
[05:36] <claydoh> and im off to bed
[05:36] <Jucato> g'night claydoh!
[07:18] <billytwowilly> hey, is konqueror in feisty supposed to not have  a url window up top?
[07:18] <billytwowilly> It's pretty irritating.
[07:20] <Hobbsee> billytwowilly: er, it does...?
[07:21] <billytwowilly> ok, so I've discovered an upgrade bug then.
[07:21] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[07:21] <billytwowilly> because mine doesn't.
[07:21] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[07:22] <billytwowilly> any ideas how to get it back and/or figure out why it's not there?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: with beryl, you'll get more :P
[07:26] <Jucato> haha :)
[07:37] <LongPointyStick> argh, no l-r-m
[07:38] <Jucato> l-r-m?
[07:38] <Jucato> yeah
[07:38] <Jucato> being held back...
[07:38] <Hobbsee> new packages must not exist yet
[07:39] <Jucato> heh 2nd time this happened I think...
[07:46] <crimsun> https://beta.launchpad.net/+builds/+build/313591/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-generic
[07:46] <crimsun> for instance.
[07:46] <crimsun> that's an LP bug IMO
[07:47] <crimsun> you should most definitely not be able to grab binaries that have not been NEWed
[07:47] <crimsun> if you're not a member of beta, just remove "beta." from the URL
[07:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: you assume i can get there.  at the moment, i'm trying otu beryl, which i cant kill, without hardlocking my X, or my machine
[07:53] <crimsun> that's ok, beryl loves yuo too!
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:58] <Hobbsee> there are some really trippy bugs here
[07:59] <crimsun> my favourite is the "look, I'm a pony! No really, I'm a pony! With black screen o' death!"
[08:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:10] <nixternal> OK, who wants to help me bubble sort parallel arrays?
[08:11] <crimsun> err, no thanks
[08:11] <crimsun> .oO( why bubblesort, anyhow? )
[08:12] <crimsun> #include <algorithm>  ... stable_sort()
[08:12] <nixternal> I only have a list of 5 names
[08:12] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ...bubble sort....?
[08:12] <nixternal> C++
[08:12] <Hobbsee> exactly
[08:12] <nixternal> because the instructor said so
[08:13] <crimsun> dude, trust me, #include <algorithm> and use stable_sort()
[08:13] <Hobbsee> bubble sort isnt one of those options.
[08:13] <Jucato> eeek... I hate having to think of sorting et al... :/
[08:14] <_StefanS_> monings
[08:14] <Jucato> bubble sort, quicksort...
[08:14] <Jucato> moin _StefanS_
[08:14] <Jucato> hehe
[08:14] <_StefanS_> :D
[08:16] <nixternal> dualsort, fscksort
[08:22] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hamstersort
[08:23] <Jucato> :D
[08:23] <Jucato> still no mobile hamster :(
[08:23] <_StefanS_> what the...
[08:23] <_StefanS_> hmm you got to stand up for yourself and demand it !
[08:23] <_StefanS_> ;)
[08:23] <Jucato> yeah... and after getting into a "fight" with my sister, I don't know when it will come...
[08:23] <_StefanS_> hehe
[08:23] <Jucato> well, she can't "give it up" until she gets the new one from the office
[08:24] <_StefanS_> oh my.. there's been alot of updates during the weekend
[08:24] <_StefanS_> 155mb pending
[08:24] <Jucato> ooh
[08:24] <Jucato> careful
[08:24] <_StefanS_> ?
[08:24] <Jucato> linux-restricted-modules missing in latest updates
[08:25] <_StefanS_> it will usually hold them back I think..
[08:25] <Jucato> yep
[08:25] <Jucato> except in this case, it will still install the new kernel so when you boot into that kernel and were using proprietary drivers... no X :)
[08:26] <_StefanS_> oh yep
[08:26] <_StefanS_> its done..
[08:26] <_StefanS_> hmm I will just dont reboot it
[08:26] <Jucato> :)
[08:28] <Jucato> hm... shouldn't you be *not* able to open one instance of the Software Properties (Manage Repositories) app at a time?
[08:29] <_StefanS_> donno actually
[08:29] <Jucato> anyone can answer :)
[08:29] <Jucato> anyway, I think that's the behavior on Ubuntu/GNOME (where the app was from originally)
[08:30] <_StefanS_> uhm whatever :)
[08:30] <_StefanS_> never use it
[08:30] <Jucato> :P
[08:30] <_StefanS_> gotta go take a dump
[08:30] <Jucato> O.o
[08:34] <_StefanS_> back to attack
[08:34] <_StefanS_> I see the bluetooth issue was resovled
[08:35] <_StefanS_> uhm
[08:35] <_StefanS_> ok
[08:37] <Jucato> because my phone ran out of juice, and that's the only bluetooth device I have :)
[08:39] <_StefanS_> heh.. need a charger ? :)
[08:40] <Jucato> chargin' as we speak :)
[08:40] <_StefanS_> well gotta try also..
[08:40] <_StefanS_> brb
[08:40] <Jucato> (actually, I didn't realize that it was drained till you mentioned the bluetooth thing)
[09:12] <nixternal> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12116/  <- just had to keep the elements of the array in sync and it worked
[09:12] <nixternal> I have to do what the teach wants, although she has let me get away with some hacks before
[09:12] <Jucato> nixternal: can I make money off your blog posts? :)
[09:12] <nixternal> Jucato: sure you can!
[09:12] <nixternal> if you can, then you are better than I am
[09:12] <Jucato> er... s/can/may :)
[09:13] <Jucato> hehehe :P
[09:13] <nixternal> Jucato: if you make money off of my blog posts, you will end up on Dateline, to catch an Internet Scammer!
[09:13] <nixternal> seeing as you aren't here in the US, that one probably flew right over your head
[09:13] <Jucato> nixternal: that code looks unbelievably clean. now to try making sense of it :P
[09:13] <nixternal> I can make sense of it
[09:13] <nixternal> I am half way through my Intro class
[09:14] <nixternal> Jucato: as am I
[09:14] <Jucato> :)
[09:14] <nixternal> on that note, I am going to crash
[09:14] <nixternal> 2:15am here
[09:14] <Jucato> yeah. good night! :)
[09:14] <nixternal> g'nite!
[09:36] <Jucato> hm... just notice that kaffeine isn't a direct Depends of kubuntu-desktop :)
[09:36] <Jucato> but is still installed because of kaffeine-xine. curious :)
[09:40] <Jucato> _StefanS_: confirmed. kdebluetooth pin helper working now :)
[09:40] <Jucato> how nice
[09:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: uhm ok, Mine worked without me punching in a code now..
[09:40] <_StefanS_> must have been cached somewhere
[09:40] <Jucato> heh :)
[09:40] <_StefanS_> oh maybe I should try another pinc
[09:40] <_StefanS_> pin
[09:41] <Jucato> :P
[09:41] <_StefanS_> good luck
[09:42] <Jucato> thanks
[10:25] <_Sime_> Riddell: hey
[10:26] <_Sime_> Riddell: I just got back from a snowboarding weekend. I'll try to get 0.8 of guidance in order today. (night bus from La Plangem, but got today off still).
[11:24] <Riddell> _Sime_: great
[11:26] <\sh> Riddell: is k3b broken right now? I can't burn cds on my t43 here :(
[11:27] <\sh> (k3b or better cdrecord)
[11:31] <Riddell> \sh: works for me
[11:32] <poningru> \sh: checked wodim wfm
[11:39] <Tonio_> hi
[11:53] <oslo> hi i'm on kubuntu feisty with an Nvidia geforce 4 mx 440, for this graphic card the proper driver are the 1.0.9631, but since 2.6.20-13 the nvidia-glx package only provide 1.0.9733 wich doesn't work with mine; i need to switch back my xorg to nv: any ideas ??
[11:54] <Riddell> oslo: no X developers here
[11:54] <rbrunhuber> oslo: You should try #kubuntu for support requests.
[11:55] <\sh> hmmm...I always get buffer underruns just before it starts to burn....gnome works
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946
[12:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Confirmed] 
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: jdong talks about possible /etc config files to modify to get the unmount dialog to work...
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's policy break, but for that so old critical issue, and as it'll not be fixed before kde4, I think we should make an exception to the policy no ?
[12:07] <Tonio_> I wonder what opensuse or mandriva are doing with that issue....
[12:08] <Tonio_> also we're unsure to propore kde4 by default with feisty+1, and I really don't want to stay with that issue for one more year.....
[12:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: seems like a sane idea
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll investigate this today, as this is probably kde bug #1 atm... ;)
[12:15] <Tonio_> jdong as the infos, I'll ping him
[12:16] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho and FYI, final beta doesn't boot on macbook pro
[12:18] <Tonio_> I'll report this
[12:22] <oslo> so the new nvidia-glx ( 1.0.9733 ) doesn't work for me and with 1.0.9631 i can start with nvidia on 2.6.20-12 but not on 2.6.20-13 ...
[12:22] <oslo> sorry i'll go to kubuntu
[12:25] <Tm_T> hm?
[12:27] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[12:27] <Tonio_> Lure: hey ;)
[12:28] <Tonio_> Lure: what is the point is the unmount dialog missing with kde ?
[12:28] <Tonio_> Lure: I cannot find any bug related to this on nightmare kde bts...
[12:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I think it is related to hal changes
[12:28] <Tonio_> I'm pretty sure there exist a workarroud somewhere
[12:28] <Tonio_> Lure: it is
[12:28] <Lure> Tonio_: probably, but nobody really looked into this (beside jdong)
[12:28] <Tonio_> Lure: but there is certainly a workarround by fixing hal in /etc
[12:29] <Tonio_> Lure: we can probably make an exception to the debian policy for this
[12:29] <Tonio_> Lure: this is critical issue (data loss)
[12:29] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm downloading opensuse live to check if they fixed it or not
[12:29] <Lure> Tonio_: if you wait couple of seconds, then no data loss ;-)
[12:30] <Lure> Tonio_: I think it is important bug, but not end of world
[12:30] <Tonio_> Lure: last time I tried (copying 2 gb datas) I had to wait 10 minutes.........
[12:30] <Tonio_> Lure: for average joe this is a nightmare bug, honnestly
[12:31] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, right - I typically use it for small amounts on my key
[12:31] <Tonio_> I can't find related bug for suse or mandriva, anything refers to kubuntu........
[12:31] <Tonio_> nothing on kde bts too..... strange....
[12:32] <Tonio_> I know that's upstream issue, but there is certainly a fix/workarround if nobody complains
[12:32] <Tonio_> http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=kde+%22unmount+dialog%22+hal+media+devices&btnG=Rechercher&meta=
[12:32] <Tonio_> as you can see :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> or this: http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=kde+%22unmount+dialog%22+hal+usb+keys&btnG=Rechercher&meta=
[12:33] <Tonio_> http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=kde+%22progress+dialog+missing%22&btnG=Rechercher&meta=
[12:33] <Tonio_> or this too :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> I can see 2 options :
[12:33] <Tonio_> everyone uses kubuntu :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> or there is a fix somewhere :)
[12:35] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : Or kubuntu has just the smartest users who are the only to realize this glitch :-)
[12:35] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: hehe, I doubt that :)
[12:59] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/93141
[12:59] <ubotu> Malone bug 93141 in k3b "Should update to k3b 1.0 before feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[12:59] <Kmos> it will be available for feisty ?
[01:00] <Riddell> only the 10th person to ask :)
[01:01] <Jucato> hm... I think 10th+...
[01:01] <Jucato> counting people in #kubuntu of course :D
[01:03] <Kmos> :-)
[01:03] <Kmos> I think it should be included, it fixes many bugs
[01:03] <Kmos> and don't break other software
[01:03] <Kmos> i use it with ubuntu, with kdelibs :)
[02:53] <Jucato> :(
[02:53] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:54] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[02:54] <Tm_T> Jucato: ugh, did drop support for olred hardware or something?
[02:54] <Jucato> Hobbsee: any chance of using your pointy stick to "encourage" core devs to have 3 nvidia drivers? :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: er, close to none
[02:55] <Jucato> :(
[02:55] <rbrunhuber> Jucato : Even better free than three :-)
[02:56] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:57] <rbrunhuber> Jucato : Don't you think this will be merged back in the legacy drivers by nvidia? I can't believe ther will be a geforce 4 gap for long.
[02:57] <Tm_T> rbrunhuber: mooh
[02:58] <Jucato> rbrunhuber: maybe... but as of version 9755, nvidia supports 3 "groups": current, 96xx, and 71xx
[02:58] <Jucato> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[03:00] <rbrunhuber> Jucato : Don't you think they will release a 71xx+96xx legacy package + current
[03:00] <Jucato> I really don't know with nvidia... I haven't used Linux that long to monitor how they handle this sort of transition...
[03:01] <rbrunhuber> Jucato : I'm not sure if they ever had such a transition before. I mean 2+ legacy packages + 1 current.
[03:02] <Jucato> we could probably wait to see if nvidia will merge 71xx and 96xx... but in the meantime... what do we 96xx users do? we will be forced to stick to edgy, or use the drivers from nvidia.com or use nv
[03:05] <Tm_T> Jucato: you can say about this in #ubuntu-kernel (?) but well, don't know if they will listen you :/
[03:05] <rbrunhuber> Jucato:  I don't know: Cry, Complain, Demonstrate, suicide :-)?
[03:06] <Jucato> well, I thought poking Hobbsee would be nice :)
[03:07] <Lure> Riddell: any news regarding k3b? I am updating k9copy for UVFe and it looks like it needs k3b 1.0 to build
[03:16] <Riddell> Lure: tollef said he'll look at it
[03:20] <Hobbsee> did someone put thru a polyester upload or something???
[03:22] <Riddell> not so's I've noticed, why?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> hrm.  it's buggering up my firefox settings
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: meeting is in 6.5 hours, isnt it?
[03:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[03:23] <Jucato> @schedule
[03:23] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 27 Mar 08:00: MOTU | 27 Mar 20:00: Technical Board | 28 Mar 20:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 22:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 20:00: Marketing Team
[03:24] <Jucato> yay nothing for me :)
[03:24] <hunger> Why do all my KDE apps suddenly use .Net style?
[03:24] <Riddell> hunger: they shouldn't
[03:25] <hunger> What is supposed to be the default style?
[03:25] <viviersf> plastik
[03:26] <Jucato> polyester for Feisty
[03:26] <viviersf> oh ya
[03:26] <hunger> Neither plastik nor polyester is installed.
[03:26] <hunger> All was well yesterday:-(
[03:26] <Jucato> ah that's why it goes to .Net...
[03:27] <Hobbsee> what the....
[03:27] <hunger> I did a biggish KDE update this morning. Is it possible that caused the styles to vanish?
[03:28] <Jucato> hm.. my updates earlier didn't seem to uninstall anything
[03:28] <hunger> Jucato: All my "old" apps still look OK, it is just the stuff I started recently that uses .Net style.
[03:29] <Jucato> probably because Plastik or Polyester were uninstalled? :/
[03:29] <hunger> Hmmm... kde-style-polyester is still installed.
[03:31] <hunger> Reinstalling it does not help.
[03:31] <hunger> Looks like only the default qt styles are available.
[03:32] <Jucato> strange...
[03:32] <hunger> .net, cde, win98, motif, motif plus, phase, platinum and sgi. That's it.
[03:34] <hunger> Hobbsee: That is not installed.
[03:35] <Tm_T> hmm, I have no problems
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hunger: ohhhh!
[03:35] <Hobbsee> is that it!
[03:35] <Tm_T> all qt styles are there, also Beryl is
[03:35] <Tm_T> though I don't run Beryl
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: what was just upgraded?
[03:36] <Tm_T> hm?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> the qt stuff
[03:37] <Tm_T> well, some time ago yes
[03:38] <hunger> Tm_T: Did you restart? Only freshly started apps are effected here.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> no, there was somethign qt based upgraded tonight
[03:39] <Tm_T> hunger: well, I did start kcontrol for example (:
[03:39] <Tm_T> to check if all styles are still there, and they are
[03:39] <hunger> Tm_T: Great:-( I hate Beta... that is when everything breaks for me.
[03:40] <hunger> Tm_T: kcontrol does not work at all here:-(
[03:40] <Jucato> O.o
[03:40] <hunger> Tm_T: That is almost completely empty.
[03:40] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[03:41] <hunger> Jucato: Is already at the newest version.
[03:41] <Jucato> really weird...
[03:41] <Jucato> hm.. could it be environment variables?
[03:42] <hunger> Jucato: Possible, but it worked yesterday and I did not log out, so it is not very likely.
[03:42] <Jucato> oh btw, nice group pic :)
[03:43] <Jucato> that's what I love about aptitude :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee>  libqt3-mt is the package
[03:44] <hunger> I upgraded qt at 14:44. I guess this is when stuff broke.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hunger: you got 3.5.6 feisty repos enabled, by any chance?
[03:47] <hunger> Hobbsee: Only a.u.c/u feisty main restricted universe multiverse
[03:48] <Hobbsee> oh, found it
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hunger: go back to version qt-x11-free | 3:3.3.8-0ubuntu2 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Sources
[03:49] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[03:49] <Riddell> g'day sport
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hunger: once you do that, all works fine
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why the qt breakage?
[03:50] <Riddell> what's all broken?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: qt-x11-free - see backscroll
[03:51] <Hobbsee> [23:31]  <hunger> Looks like only the default qt styles are available.
[03:51] <Tm_T> but all fine here
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: open a new window?
[03:51] <Tm_T> I do it all the time
[03:51] <hunger> Hobbsee: Yeap, downgrading fixes things for me.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hunger: nice
[03:51] <hunger> Hobbsee: Thanks!
[03:52] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I can even try new KDE session if you don't trust me yet :p
[03:52] <hunger> Any idea why kcontrol is empty? The guidance thingy works fine, so I never bothered to investigate.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: which version do you have installed?
[03:52] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: version of what exactly?
[03:52] <hunger> Tm_T: libqt3-mt
[03:52] <Jucato> I will find out in a few minutes, too I guess..
[03:53] <Tm_T> oh
[03:53] <Tm_T> Installed: 3:3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu1
[03:53] <Tm_T> intersting versionname
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:53] <hunger> Tm_T: That is the one that broke for me.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: you should see the ones for the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[03:53] <hunger> Oh, the joy of beta versions:-|
[03:54] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: 0.14.6-0ubuntu7 <- what's interesting in this
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: no, what they used to be
[03:54] <hunger> With alpha stuff the fixes at least come in so fast that you have no time to experience the bugs:-)
[03:54] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: ah, roger
[03:54] <Hobbsee> including versions of -seriously-this-time
[03:55] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:55] <seanor22> hello everyone !
[03:56] <seanor22> Anyone familiar with the kubuntu upgrader tool ?
[03:56] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: even to versionlines?
[03:56] <seanor22> my kubuntu upgrader is stuck on preparing the upgrade -> 71 files out of 73
[03:56] <seanor22> what can I do
[03:57] <seanor22> I'd like to help out on the beta, but have no dvd player
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[03:58] <Riddell> seanor22: downloading or installing/configuring?
[03:59] <seanor22> Fetching file 71 of 73
[03:59] <Riddell> seanor22: sounds like a network or archive server problem
[03:59] <Riddell> seanor22: you sure it's stuck and not just a long download?
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[04:00] <seanor22> Riddell: I have an excellent connection, and it went 1-99% in less than a second
[04:01] <Riddell> seanor22: try quitting and restarting
[04:01] <Riddell> try changing the mirror if you keep getting the problem
[04:01] <seanor22> Riddell: I've tried from work and home
[04:02] <seanor22> Riddell: quit restart does nothing
[04:02] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee :)
[04:02] <seanor22> Riddell: what mirror should I put ?
[04:02] <seanor22> Riddell: Just got error message
[04:03] <Riddell> seanor22: plain archive.ubuntu.com probably the most reliable
[04:03] <Riddell> seanor22: what's that?
[04:03] <seanor22> Riddell: Can I paste it somewhere ?
[04:03] <seanor22> ok, one of my repositories (packages.freecontrib.org) causes an error
[04:04] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:04] <Riddell> seanor22: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/
[04:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: implying konvi wasn't nice before? :)
[04:05] <seanor22> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/77
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not using motif...no.
[04:05] <Jucato> Hobbsee: lol :)
[04:06] <hunger> Ever tried to change a name of a file in /tmp when building kde4?
[04:07] <hunger> Does not work: Whenever the directory contents changes (that is whenever the compiler starts at a new file) the edit-thingy is closed:-)
[04:08] <Tm_T> hmm, now I must try konversation with motif
[04:09] <Jucato> haha
[04:10] <Tm_Konvi> ooh, this is rather nice )(
[04:11] <Tm_Konvi> looks somewhat interesting, especially with Oxygen icons
[04:11] <Riddell> Tm_Konvi: what's that?
[04:12] <Jucato> motif widget style? O.o
[04:12] <Tm_Konvi> Konversation with motif style
[04:12] <Tm_Konvi> old meets new interestingly now
[04:13] <Jucato> Tm_Konvi has perverted taste :)
[04:13] <Tm_Konvi> sssh!
[04:13] <Tm_Konvi> better not to mention last night, Jucato
[04:13] <Tm_Konvi> whops!
[04:13] <Jucato> hmph
[04:13] <Jucato> don't let the cat out of the bag
[04:14] <Jucato> hehe
[04:14] <Tm_T> (:
[04:14] <Tm_T> must use motif style somewhere someday
[04:15] <Tm_T> back to testing ->
[04:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee, Tm_T: I can confirm hunger's bug too :)
[04:29] <Jucato> luckily, I'm using Domino :P
[04:35] <nixternal> good morning!
[04:36] <Hobbsee> heya nixternal!
[04:36] <Jucato> moin nixternal!
[04:36] <nixternal> easy now, to much highlighting is bad for one's eyes
[04:36] <nixternal> :)
[04:36] <Jucato> nixternal: hehehe :)
[04:36] <Jucato> nixternal: oops sorry
[04:36] <nixternal> grrrr
[04:36] <nixternal> hehe
[04:38] <Tm_T> nixternal: what eye?
[04:38] <Tm_T> singular one?
[04:39] <Tm_T> nixternal: http://www.yesworld.com/lyrics/Drama.html
[04:40] <Tm_T> nixternal: see the Machine Messiah Part 2 endlines
[04:40] <nixternal> is that what I think it is?
[04:41] <nixternal> </mind in gutter>
[04:43] <Tm_T> btw it's sometimes fun to speak only using song names etc
[04:43] <nixternal> hehe
[04:43] <Tm_T> and no, I do not listen music too much
[04:55] <Lure> Riddell: is it ok to include fixes like this in k3b 1.0 package: kde 143181 and kde 143236
[04:56] <ubotu> KDE bug 143181 in general "burn speed can no longer be set" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143181
[04:56] <ubotu> KDE bug 143236 in Video DVD "unable to calculate video image size and fail when adding files" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143236
[04:59] <fdoving> Lure: must be.
[05:00] <Lure> fdoving: I think so too, I just want to know if Ridell want them before inclusion or after ;-)
[05:00] <fdoving> they are all "one"-liners.
[05:00] <Lure> fdoving: particularly the first one ;-)
[05:01] <fdoving> yeah, the second one is bigger.
[05:01] <fdoving> but much of the second one are comments.
[05:01] <Lure> fdoving: but I agree they are important fixes that we should watch and include before release
[05:01] <Lure> fdoving: such bugs can cause lots of bad taste to users
[05:02] <fdoving> exactly.
[05:02] <fdoving> i'm totaly for inclusion.
[05:02] <Riddell> Lure: guess so
[05:02] <fdoving> or atleast SRUs on the day of the release.
[05:03] <hunger> since that was introduced nobody seems to care about error messages during bootup anymore:-(
[05:03] <Lure> Riddell: do you want to update current package before inclusion or we should wait?
[05:03] <Lure> hunger: remove "quiet" from grub line
[05:03] <hunger> Lure: I did. That is why all the errors and warning still annoy me:-)
[05:04] <Riddell> Lure: may as well do it now
[05:04] <Lure> hunger: most people anyway do not read any messages during boot, so nothing is lost ;-)
[05:04] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will update the package
[05:04] <hunger> Lure: Yes, that seems to be the tenor:-(
[05:05] <fdoving> I've disabled usplash and remove quiet from the kernel parameters.
[05:06] <fdoving> need to keep track of what's going on.
[05:06] <Jucato> don't know if that was fixed already (in feisty). last week, removing "quiet" while keeping "splash" broke usplash.
[05:07] <hunger> fdoving: Same here.
[05:07] <hunger> fdoving: do you enjoy all those PHYSDEV is deprecated warnings as much as I do? And the "no such module: ScanPCI" error and all the rest?
[05:07] <fdoving> yep.
[05:08] <fdoving> i only have the PHYSDEV ones.
[05:08] <hunger> fdoving: There is even a patch for that in LP:-(
[05:08] <fdoving> that's embarrasing for the maintainer.
[05:09] <fdoving> gosh.. this irssi notification thing from nixternals blog is annoying.
[05:13] <gnomefreak> fdoving: notification thing?
[05:13] <apokryphos> fdoving: why?
[05:14] <nixternal> haha
[05:15] <fdoving> http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.03.22/notify-works-in-kubuntu/
[05:15] <fdoving> check it out and find out.
[05:15] <Jucato> fdoving: notification when you're highlighted?
[05:15] <fdoving> yep.
[05:15] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee (again)
[05:15] <Jucato> fdoving: aaah
[05:16] <Jucato> fdoving: probably like Konvi's OSD
[05:16] <fdoving> probably.
[05:17] <Jucato> :)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:26] <billytwowilly> so the location toolbar dissapears in konqueror after a while of with no option to put it back. How do I fix this?
[05:26] <Jucato> billytwowilly: right-clicking on a toolbar to bring up the toolbar menu?
[05:26] <Jucato> or Settings menu -> Toolbars?
[05:27] <billytwowilly> only search, main, speech and extra are available, no location
[05:30] <manchicken> Big update today.
[05:31] <Jucato> qt updates gonna bork your widget styles :)
[05:32] <manchicken> Really?
[05:32] <Jucato> yep
[05:34] <Riddell> patience patience
[05:34] <manchicken> heh
[05:34] <manchicken> Fun :)
[05:34] <Jucato> Riddell: no hurries. at least nothing actually breaks :)
[05:34] <manchicken> upgrades are like a box of chocolates.  You never know what you're going to get.
[05:35] <Jucato> (not like the nvidia driver :()
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for the meeting tomorrow, can you give me a wakeup call please?
[05:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ok
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks
[05:37] <Jucato> must be cool... the Kubuntu guy giving you a personal wake up call :)
[05:37] <mhb> a meeting?
[05:37] <Jucato> MOTU meeting I think
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: when i can hear who on earth it is, yes :P
[05:37] <Jucato> lol :)
[05:37] <Hobbsee> i can hear bits of a UK accent, usually.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> the knowing that i'm going to get a phonecall tends to wake me up enough at all
[05:38] <Jucato> :)
[05:39] <mhb> good afternoon
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hiya mhb!
[05:39] <Jucato> bye Hobbsee!
[05:39] <mhb> I almost forgot the greeting
[05:39] <Jucato> sweet dreams :)
[05:39] <mhb> good night Hobbsee
[05:39] <Jucato> mhb: good afternoon to you too :)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:39] <apokryphos> no true Scotsman!
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: as far as my kdesktop crash, I'm leaning towards thinking it's caused by kpowersave in conjunction with DPMS, I can't recreate it easily, but it seems to not happen if I have DPMS off.
[05:40] <apokryphos> Jucato: the only real English one: London ;)
[05:40] <Jucato> hehehe :)
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: however it also doesn't happen if I just set DPMS w/o kpowersave.
[05:46] <fdoving> what's the policy on feisty questions in #kubuntu? - do we tell people to go to #ubuntu+1?.. some people have an idea that fesity questions are not ok in #kubuntu.. i don't understand why.
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> used to be #kubuntu-testers
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> the channel is still there but nearly empty.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> fdoving: it's usually #ubuntu+1
[05:47] <Hobbsee> however, if it's kde specific, then ask in #kubuntu
[05:47] <Jucato> fdoving: I usually tell them to go to #ubuntu+1 unless it's a very specific Kubuntu question like packaging or the dist-upgrade tool, then I tell them to go here
[05:48] <Jucato> fdoving: the disadvantage of having feisty questions in #kubuntu is that some people either get alarmed or confused about some situations, like broken stuff or updates
[05:48] <Jucato> just imho though
[05:49] <fdoving> well.. maybe.
[05:50] <fdoving> but i still find it strange. :)
[05:50] <Hobbsee> ther'es no point in a #kubuntu+1
[05:50] <fdoving> no, no more channels... please.
[05:50] <Jucato> :)
[05:50] <Hobbsee> fdoving: have you hit the freenode channel limit yet?
[05:51] <fdoving> Hobbsee: i try to leave channels with limited activity.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> bah
[05:51] <fdoving> 15 currently.
[05:51] <fdoving> nite.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> amateur :P
[05:52] <fdoving> you can read the logs somewhere on the net you know. you don't have to be in the channels all the time :)
[05:52] <Hobbsee> er...
[05:53] <Hobbsee> oh, machine got rebooted
[05:53] <fdoving> bbiab.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> fixed.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> really bed time
[05:56] <Jucato> anyone here on feisty got kdmtheme installed?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> possibly, why?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> bah, ask me tomorrow.
[05:56] <Jucato> heeh
[06:13] <mhb> bug 1
[06:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[06:13] <mhb> thanks
[06:24] <lucas_> Is there any break in the kubuntu artwork ?
[06:24] <lucas_> seems that a theme had gone
[06:24] <Riddell> yes yes, qt themes broke
[06:24] <lucas_> ok
[06:24] <Riddell> kdelibs seems to be compiling now, I'll upload it in a sec
[06:24] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[06:25] <lucas_> no worries, it was just to report the fact
[06:25] <lucas_> dinosaur-rus: hi
[06:25] <lucas_> Riddell: thanks for quick feed back
[06:25] <dinosaur-rus> was glext.h in nvidia-glx-dev modified my Ubuntu staff?
[06:30] <Mez> bug 69479
[06:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 69479 in katapult "SRU: katapult" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69479
[06:32] <jetsaredim> can someone help me recover my system??
[06:32] <jetsaredim> I just tried that updater tool and things are not looking pretty
[06:32] <lucas_> it s a break in qt theme
[06:32] <jetsaredim> ?
[06:32] <lucas_> dixit riddell a few lines higher
[06:32] <jetsaredim> my biggest problem is that for some reason my nvidia drivers were away
[06:33] <lucas_> yes yes, qt themes broke
[06:33] <lucas_>  kdelibs seems to be compiling now, I'll upload it in a sec
[06:33] <jetsaredim> and I can't seem to get them to reinstall under the current kernel tree
[06:33] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kubuntu-docs_7.04.debdiff  <- closes 5 bugs
[06:33] <lucas_> I gueand quoting riddell
[06:34] <lucas_> sorry,
[06:34] <lucas_> I said , I stop quoting riddell
[06:35] <lucas_> jetsaredim: but I have no clue for your driver problem
[06:36] <jetsaredim> I tried removing nvidia-glx and then reinstalling, but that didn't work either
[06:37] <lucas_> jetsaredim: but do you hava a problem with your driver ? or is it just a problem with the bad looking gui
[06:37] <jetsaredim> driver is gone
[06:37] <dinosaur-rus> was glext.h in nvidia-glx-dev modified my Ubuntu staff?
[06:39] <lucas_> jetsaredim: oups it's quite anoying, do you have nvidia written in your xoog.conf or just nv ?
[06:39] <rouzic> Hi all
[06:39] <lucas_> rouzic: hi
[06:40] <rouzic> I have a problem with a packacge libqt3-mt in Feisty
[06:40] <jetsaredim> lucas_: nvidia
[06:40] <jetsaredim> I was able to run X -configure to get something workable
[06:41] <jetsaredim> but otherwise nothing
[06:41] <jetsaredim> by workable I mean getting some display with the devfault drivers
[06:42] <jetsaredim> I even tried apt-get remove, clean, install
[06:42] <jetsaredim> and I still get nothing
[06:42] <dinosaur-rus> jetsaredim: does Xorg print any error messages?
[06:42] <jetsaredim> not to mention the fact that I got switched to the 386 kernel rather than the generic
[06:42] <jetsaredim> dinosaur-rus: yea - error: no driver for nvidia
[06:43] <rouzic> Since I updated the package libqt3-mt, me there appears the style "CDE" and me Plastik does not appear not polyester in the list of styles
[06:43] <jetsaredim> its not that my xorg is wrong, its that the driver just isn't on my system at all
[06:43] <dinosaur-rus> jetsaredim: incompatible driver/kernel versions?
[06:43] <jetsaredim> even though dpkg says that nvidia-glx is installed
[06:43] <jetsaredim> the funny thing is
[06:44] <lucas_> rouzic: Devs are aware and a fix is coming
[06:44] <jetsaredim> I did a --listfiles on nvidia-glx and there is no ko listed
[06:44] <dinosaur-rus> jetsaredim: it's in linux-restricted-modules
[06:44] <rouzic> Thanks;). So I do not worry?
[06:44] <jetsaredim> dinosaur-rus: ?
[06:45] <dinosaur-rus> jetsaredim: nvidia.ko is in linux-restricted-modules package
[06:45] <lucas_> rouzic: No need to reinstall,  it is't hat you mean
[06:45] <jetsaredim> ah
[06:45] <jetsaredim> ok
[06:45] <jetsaredim> I do have the l-r-m-generic installed
[06:46] <rouzic> Lucas_: this way for that I hope that there is an update of the package?
[06:46] <lucas_> rouzic: me too
[06:46] <dinosaur-rus> jetsaredim: may be try to re-install the correct kernel?
[06:46] <jetsaredim> dinosaur-rus: you mean the 386?
[06:46] <lucas_> rouzic: I guess he updae is on the road
[06:46] <jetsaredim> the problem with that is it doesn't have SMP support
[06:47] <rouzic> Thanks lucas_
[06:48] <lucas_> rouzic: You welcome, I have the same problem and wondering how I could fix this
[06:48] <dinosaur-rus> jetsaredim: try to re-install generic kernel package
[06:48] <lucas_> rouzic:  untill I come here
[06:48] <jetsaredim> dinosaur-rus: interestinhg
[06:49] <jetsaredim> when I do a listfiles on the l-r-m-generic it lists only copyright files
[06:49] <dinosaur-rus> someone please tell me, was GL/glext.h file in nvidia-glx-dev package modified by Ubuntu team or nVidia read my bug report? :)
[06:49] <rouzic> lucas_: The aspect me resembles Vista :p
[06:50] <dinosaur-rus> jetsaredim: it's metapackage which depends on the latest version of real package
[06:51] <lucas_> rouzic: :p
[06:51] <rouzic> lucas_: speak spanish?
[06:53] <lucas_> no french, I can read a bit of spanish but I can't express myself
[06:54] <lucas_> rouzic: sorry
[06:54] <jetsaredim> brb
[06:55] <rouzic> Lucas is a habitual Spanish name
[06:56] <lucas_> rouzic: with an s ? It a also a typical italian and french too
[06:56] <rouzic> ah, oks :p
[06:56] <lucas_> very popular hehe
[06:57] <rouzic> :)
[07:03] <rouzic> lucas_: http://rouzic.net/?q=node/26
[07:04] <lucas_> rouzic: I do have exactly he same aspect
[07:04] <rouzic> :)
[07:04] <lucas_> But I dont dl prison break ;)
[07:10] <rouzic> prison break? is great!
[07:13] <Riddell> nixternal: hmm, we're in string freeze
[07:17] <Riddell> nixternal: uploaded
[07:18] <nixternal> cool
[07:18] <nixternal> ya, I already manually uploaded the changes to Rosetta
[07:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about the new k3b theme, that makes the window slow, if 1.0 reaches the repo, I'll fix kds to change the default one in use....
[07:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: old theme is nice and way better concerning the speed
[07:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: mm, I wouldn't, half the point of 1.0 is fancy new theme
[07:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: latest libqt3-mt breaks kde styles
[07:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you aware of that ?
[07:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah, lots of things have changed in k3b, not only the style, but that can be discussed :)
[07:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: the libqt3-mt issue is more important :)
[07:28] <rouzic> Tonio_: :D
[07:28] <Tonio_> rouzic: confirming ?
[07:29] <rouzic> yes
[07:29] <rouzic> Tonio_: image: http://rouzic.net/?q=node/26
[07:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: I uploaded kdelibs and polyester some minutes ago to fix it
[07:29] <rouzic> Riddell: plastik fall
[07:30] <Riddell> I refer the honourable gentleman to the remarks I gave some moments ago
[07:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho just a matter of rebuilding kdelibs then ?
[07:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, any other styles uploaded since 3.3.8 was in will need the same
[07:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: great
[07:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: currently burning opensuse to check if they have fixed the media/hal issue
[07:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I want that fixed for the release
[07:32] <Tonio_> media/dbus sorry
[08:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: opensuse has the bug too :)
[08:05] <n8k99> is there a java ide for kubuntu? or does kdevelop-multple languages cover that?
[08:16] <Riddell> _Sime_, sebas: the wine config module needs an updated script for installing wine
[08:21] <nixternal> or drinking wine
[08:21] <nixternal> I have heard of cooking wine, drinking wine, but never installing wine :p
[08:22] <n8k99> drinking is just a method of installing, right?
[08:22] <nixternal> I guess you are correct on that one
[08:23] <Riddell> _Sime_: updated in svn
[08:49] <jetsaredim> can someone explain why knetworkmanager depends on dhcp3?
[08:49] <jetsaredim> why can't there be some sort of virtual dependency on a dhcp client?
[08:50] <Riddell> because then it couldn't reliably run dhcp
[08:50] <Riddell> it's a packaging issue anyway
[08:50] <Riddell> acutally it doesn't
[08:51] <Riddell> but I presume network-manager itself will
[08:51] <jetsaredim> what about dhcpcd?
[08:53] <Riddell> what about it
[08:53] <Riddell> network manager has quite specific requirements for what it needs from its dhcp client
[08:54] <jetsaredim> that sux considering dhclient breaks my vpn connection
[08:55] <jetsaredim> where are these requirements?
[08:56] <Riddell> somewhere in network-manager
[09:16] <Lure> Riddell: thanks for returning me back in 1995 of Linux desktop ;-)
[09:16] <Lure> Riddell: I did not notice how much stuff has improved in all these years ;-)
[09:22] <jetsaredim> nothing like a broken kde install
[09:24] <Tm_T> I sent one guy with qt3 issue to here so be prepared ;)
[09:25] <LeeJunFan> the qt3 ugly issue? that new lib been uploaded yet?
[09:25] <Tm_T> mee dosa know
[09:26] <Riddell> yes, new kdelibs has been uploaded
[09:26] <Tm_T> aah, splendid, now I know (:
[09:26] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: it'll take a bit to hit the mirrors though.
[09:26] <lucas_> is it available in the main ropsitory ?
[09:27] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: it hasn't hit us or gb yet I know.
[09:27] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: well I don't use mirrors myself
[09:27] <lucas_> me neither
[09:28] <LeeJunFan> I usually use gb, even though I'm in the USA, I can download 400K/s+ from gb, us anywhere from 15K to 200k.
[09:28] <guaqua> s/i/he
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> guaqua: MB or Mb?
[09:29] <guaqua> bytes
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> guaqua: holy crap, must be nice.
[09:29] <guaqua> took me 2 minutes to download the update packages from edgy to feisty :)
[09:30] <LeeJunFan> that's about as fast as most notebook hd's can write :)
[09:30] <guaqua> :S
[09:30] <guaqua> i think my hd had a hard time too
[09:31] <LeeJunFan> I keep a local mirror of i386 on my external HD for the systems I work on that have ubuntu.
[09:32] <guaqua> that works aswell
[09:36] <Tm_T> guaqua: slap me if/when there's some changes ;)
[09:36] <guaqua> Tm_T: i'm trying to keep an eye on the repos
[10:01] <Tm_T> I got qt
[10:03] <fdoving> Tm_T: my patch to hide those evil messages from apt made it into feisty apt :)
[10:05] <Tm_T> fdoving: oh, good, very good, now it's behind switch right?
[10:06] <fdoving> it's one of the debug options.
[10:06] <fdoving> you can pass it as an switch if you use -o
[10:07] <Riddell> kwwii: -> #ubuntu-meeting if you're around
[10:07] <Tm_T> fdoving: ok, good
[10:07] <Tm_T> fdoving: and thanks
[10:38] <guaqua> Tm_T: which repo did you use?
[10:43] <Tm_T> guaqua: archive srraight
[10:44] <Tm_T> agh, well, no mirrors
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I couldn't be there at the meeting, sorry... is that over ?
[11:21] <Tonio_> and if so, any log available ?
[11:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's over, log in the usual place
[11:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: 1) is your travel sorted  2) register for meeting on launchpad  3) any comments or suggestions for agenda items
[11:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh and are you handling kdebluetooth?
[11:26] <Tonio_> grmpf........ I'm getting disconnected every 10 minutes since yesterday.....
[11:34] <kwwii> Tonio_: file a bug :p
[11:39] <Tonio_> kwwii: haha :)
[11:39] <Tonio_> that's my isp..... it sucks......
[11:42] <Riddell> I got a grumpy letter from my ISP yesterday, seems I'm using too much bandwidth and they're going to restrict my usage
[11:42] <guaqua> you don't have a consumer connection?
[11:43] <kwwii> Tonio_: I thought you had the amazing internet/tv connection
[11:43] <Riddell> guaqua: I have a cheap connection
[11:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh well, DarkShock is using dialup? :/
[11:44] <manchicken> Riddell: Did they specify what an appropriate level of usage is?
[11:44] <Tm_T> though he's more just codemonkey ;)
[11:45] <Tonio_> kwwii: that changed when I leaved my appartment ;)
[11:45] <Tonio_> kwwii: but I'll rechange and will resubscribe to that isp :)
[11:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: ouch........
[11:46] <guaqua> Riddell: sounds like the kind of deal you get for cheap...someone can actually impose limits afterwards without consulting
[11:46] <Riddell> manchicken: nothing so useful, they also said they're restricting my download speed at peak hours but didn't say what those hours were
[11:46] <manchicken> Nice.
[11:47] <manchicken> Do you have a contract?
[11:47] <Riddell> manchicken: they finished by saying that if I happen to want to change providers they're cool with that despite my contract :)
[11:47] <manchicken> Wow.
[11:47] <manchicken> Did they say how much bandwidth you were using?
[11:48] <guaqua> i'd like to know what is that magical limit :S
[11:48] <Riddell> manchicken: nope
[11:48] <Tm_T> anyway, bedtime ->
[11:48] <Riddell> Tm_T: these things called ISOs
[11:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: you criminal! :)
[11:48] <manchicken> Riddell: Interesting.  If you find out what that limit is, I would be curious :)
[11:48] <Tm_T> goodnight etc -> ->
[11:49] <kwwii> it's all that pr0n
[11:49] <manchicken> Nice.
[11:50] <kwwii> kilt-fetish-pr0n
[11:51] <manchicken> Wow.
[11:51] <kwwii> and with the amazingly un-witty comment, time for sleep
[11:51] <Riddell> [ade] : allow me to reassure you we normally talk about sensible things here
[11:51] <manchicken> [ade] : Don't you believe it.
[11:51] <[ade] > i can imagine
[11:51] <Riddell> [ade] : 1) is your travel sorted  2) register for meeting on launchpad  3) any comments or suggestions for agenda items
[11:52] <Riddell> was about what we discussed
[11:52] <Riddell> [ade] , Tonio: topics I have are http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/uds-subjects
[11:52] <[ade] > (1) no (2) what's that? (3) i will read the log
[11:52] <kwwii> hehe, he knows me! I am only like this 50% of the time
[11:53] <Riddell> [ade] : 2) is https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/+attend
[11:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: your travel sorted?
[11:53] <Riddell> jjesse: what are you doing in the last week of october?
[11:54] <jjesse> Riddell: last week of october?  nothing yet? should i schedule something?
[11:54] <Riddell> jjesse: come along to UDS
[11:55] <jjesse> is that the one in sevilla or the one for feisty +2?
[11:55] <Riddell> it's for feisty+2
[11:55] <Riddell> it's east coast of your continent
[11:55] <jjesse> oh nice
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: not at the moment, I'll do that toonight
[11:56] <jjesse> Riddell: i'll plan on it
[11:56] <jjesse> eastern northern america
[11:56] <jjesse> is feisty +2 the next long term support or has that not been discussed?
[11:57] <Riddell> likely is
[11:59] <jjesse> ok making dinner
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: sounds nice, what I wanted to discuss is already there....
[12:00] <Riddell> hmm, where are the irc logs anyway?
[12:01] <Tonio_> a few other things in mind but they don't deserve a meeting, we'll discuss that there ;)
[12:01] <Lure> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[12:01] <Riddell> Lure: nothing there for ubuntu-meeting
[12:02] <Lure> Riddell: you just need to wait a bit
[12:02] <Lure> Riddell: or it is above your isp cap ;-)
[12:03] <Lure> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html
[12:06] <Riddell> mm, so it is
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: you are going by train ? how long is that ?
[12:09] <[ade] > the agent booked a flight out of amsterdam at 8:10 am, where the first train gets in to amsterdam at 8:01; i'm waiting for a reply from them now, will probably end up taking the train after all.