[12:11] <ins-dragonclaw> archangel_: do you get an error message?
[12:11] <n6rej> nick_: do you have another computer there?
[12:12] <archangel_> yes
[12:12] <nick_> no, its on order from tiger direct
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> and it is... ?
[12:12] <archangel_> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem.
[12:12] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: can u man mount and df the cd?
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> ouch
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay can't help there
[12:12] <crackhead_25__> n6rej: how do i cycle through the icons in sys set without using the mouse?
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: English?
[12:12] <n6rej> arch pastebin your sources.list
[12:12] <archangel_>  Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[12:12] <nick_> i had windows, it was illegal copy, got tired of activation and all the BS that goes along with micro$oft so i dloaded kubuntu
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> ah
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> so window$ bit back
[12:13] <n6rej> crackhead_25__: if this was windows I'd say ctrl-tab and alt tab but I don't know here.
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> but see if the CD opens on a WinXP machine
[12:13] <nick_> it does
[12:13] <nick_> i already copied the pics once
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> ohhKAY
[12:13] <crackhead_25__> anybody?? how do you cycle through the icons in a window without using the mouse??
[12:13] <n6rej> nick_: oic!
[12:13] <jarn> Is there anyway to make it so KDE closes Firefox correctly when logging out and shutting down? Firefox always says it has crashed, which means that it doesn't store the session correctly.
[12:13] <nick_> but my computer crashed when i tried to patch the winlogon for acivation LOL
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> jarn - use Konqueror :)
[12:13] <nick_> yes, windows bit back
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:14] <n6rej> nick_: LOL
[12:14] <ins-dragonclaw> it usually does
[12:14] <nick_> xp looks like something from toys R us
[12:14] <n6rej> nick_: what kind of cd is it? an cd-rw? or what?
[12:14] <nick_> CD-R
[12:14] <ins-dragonclaw> Xp feels more primitive than Kubuntu ...  i can't explain it
[12:14] <jarn> ins-dragonclaw: Konqueror doesn't do that either. And konqueror is way too unstable for me... it crashes atleast once a day and it doesn't like some javascript. Neither Google Pages nor Gmail display right in Konqueror, among other things.
[12:14] <n6rej> nick how did you make it?
[12:14] <archangel_> no idea crackhead_25__
[12:14] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: try OSX you'll flip!
[12:14] <nick_> used XP burning
[12:15] <nick_> right click "send to CD"
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> my Konqueror runs perfectly. maybe you just set it up wrong or something ... are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[12:15] <jarn> Edgy
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: i know OSX well
[12:15] <n6rej> nick_: OH! ok, thats a unique format
[12:15] <archangel_> I always carry 1 or 2 spare mice,  but I'm a nerd
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> and yes, it is brilliant
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> and yes, I can set up K to mirror it
[12:15] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: what the heck is that format called?? I can't recall this second...
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> but i HATE the one-button mouse :/
[12:15] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: I saw that, how well does it work?
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> there's ISO and CDFS
[12:15] <nick_> FIY i have problems with konqerer too
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> never tried emulating OSX
[12:15] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: no there's another
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[12:16] <nick_> it likes to freeze
[12:16] <jarn> Having a mouse with one button is like having a brain with one lobe...
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> errrr... U-something
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> jarn - Mac-function+click
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> UDFS?
[12:16] <n6rej> hang on let me go look, nero can do that too, as can many more
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> no can't be
[12:16] <jarn> ins-dragonclaw: Err... what?
[12:16] <nick_> well ill be getting my new pc next week
[12:16] <nick_> ill copy the pics from there
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> the other FS for CDs
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> the mac's one-button-mouse becomes a two-button quite easily
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> and if i had to only have 1 brain lobe, i'd take the creative half ;)
[12:17] <nick_> id take the sex half
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[12:17] <crackhead_25__> that's not a half
[12:17] <jarn> ins-dragonclaw: That doesn't make it any less lame.
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> exactly
[12:17] <nick_> lol
[12:17] <stelhan> I'd take the half that Chuck Norris would take.
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> well, you get two-button mice
[12:17] <n6rej> joliet, rock-ridge, theres more... darn....
[12:17] <crackhead_25__> (nor are they actually considered to exist in halves anymore.. )
[12:17] <jarn> ins-dragonclaw: I want to use the mouse or the keyboard, I don't want to use both unless I'm playing a game.
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> but I don't like Mac for it's exclusitivity
[12:18] <AirRaven> Then use a MIghty Mouse.
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> i mean, they have like 3% of the global desktop markey
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> market*
[12:18] <AirRaven> *Everyone* loves non-working trackballs
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> and tech support is probably a nightmare
[12:18] <nick_> markey sounded better\
[12:18] <MinceR> markey mark
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> so i stick to linux - free, but just as good if not better
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:19] <AirRaven> Apple Tech Support left a friend of mine hanging computerless for 2 months whilst they "fixed" it. Utterly lousy.
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> markey
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> Exactly
[12:19] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: its UDF
[12:19] <jarn> Ick, I was so happy when I got away from mice with trackballs. (Is the plural of a mouse mice or mouses? With animals I know it's mice, but with hardware...?)
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> YES
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> Told you - U-Something :)
[12:19] <MinceR> mice
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> mice
[12:19] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: lol
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:19] <MinceR> meeces!
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> mices
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> I are having many mices
[12:19] <jarn> lol
[12:19] <n6rej> mices?
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> ok... setting mode ins-dragonclaw -random
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> well, it happened
[12:20] <n6rej> !udf
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm officially hooked on an album designed for 11-year olds
[12:20] <n6rej> lol
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> music album*
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> Hillsong Kids
[12:21] <ins-dragonclaw> just for reference: I'm 17
[12:21] <n6rej> nick_: take a look and see if apt-get has "linux-udf" or do sudo apt-cache search udf and see if you can find a driver
[12:21] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: then your excused LOL
[12:21] <alakhia> i have a newbie question about ssh: how do I have it save my passwd?
[12:21] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:21] <ins-dragonclaw> ssh is a protocol
[12:21] <alakhia> my apologies if this is not the right place to ask
[12:21] <ins-dragonclaw> what client are you using?
[12:22] <n6rej> alakhia: it doesn't your program can though
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> hell, we'll try and help anyway
[12:22] <alakhia> i am using rsync
[12:22] <n6rej> EEEEEK
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:22] <n6rej> did he just swear?
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> who? alakhia?
[12:22] <alakhia> is there a better way?
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> :P
[12:22] <n6rej> *nid*
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[12:22] <n6rej> *nod* even
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:22] <alakhia> :)
[12:23] <n6rej> alakhia: go read up about rsync, last I read it was still a terribly insecure variant
[12:23] <alakhia> I hate sftp
[12:23] <alakhia> because it doesn't recurse
[12:23] <archangel_> no clues on why adept is inoperable?
[12:23] <n6rej> alakhia: yeah, well ftp is bad anyway, so ....
[12:23] <ins-dragonclaw>  --password-file=FILE    read password from FILE
[12:23] <n6rej> archangel_: show me ur sources via pastebin
[12:23] <ins-dragonclaw> store your password in a file and use --password when you use rsync
[12:23] <alakhia> n6rej: it's my local network ... so I don't care too much about security
[12:23] <ins-dragonclaw> that's about the best I can do
[12:23] <n6rej> OMG is that all ins?
[12:23] <eilker> is there achannel for domain and web hosting  in freenode ?
[12:24] <archangel_> comming up
[12:24] <eilker> *a channel
[12:24] <ins-dragonclaw> hey! I didn't even know Rsync until about 20 seconds ago!
[12:24] <n6rej> alakhia: then why not just use nfs and be done with it?
[12:24] <n6rej> why ssh at all?
[12:24] <ins-dragonclaw> ...good point
[12:24] <alakhia> n6rej: isn't nfs too complicated?
[12:24] <ins-dragonclaw> if security's not an issue
[12:24] <archangel_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12066/
[12:25] <ins-dragonclaw> Geez... I have gospel, rap, rock, new age and trance in one playlist...
[12:25] <archangel_> that is the error
[12:25] <ins-dragonclaw> everyone from Hillsong though Linkin Park to Eminem
[12:25] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[12:25] <n6rej> alakhia: not from what I understand, its just terribly insecure but if youw ant something superduper simple install vsftpd and your done!
[12:25] <alakhia> n6rej: hmmm, ok, will look into it. Thanks.
[12:26] <n6rej> archangel_: I don't want the error.. try this ... sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources/source.list
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> I miss that plugin...
[12:26] <archangel_> k
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> where /z printed my current playing song...
[12:26] <n6rej> alakhia: theres a guide on the ubuntu website under "server guide" that has a vsftpd section.  vsftpd is super easy to conif and lightening fast.
[12:26] <archangel_> what should I see?
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> speed <is relative to> bandwidth
[12:27] <crackhead_25> why does everytime i restart my xserver, my mouse pointer turn invisible (although the mouse can still function (if i can guess where the pointer is))??
[12:27] <n6rej> archangel_:  a text file yes?
[12:27] <ins-dragonclaw> crackhead_25: your PC has a crush on you
[12:27] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: gigabit ethernet but it is being choked by 100mb hub
[12:27] <archangel_> uuummmmm...a file yes....minus the text
[12:27] <ins-dragonclaw> there's a setting in System Settings -> Mouse and Keyboard -> Mouse that says "Locate the mouse when i press Ctrl"
[12:27] <ins-dragonclaw> try that
[12:27] <crackhead_25> ins-dragonclaw: im sure, but i have to whip it in line a bit then
[12:27] <n6rej> crackhead_25: let me look at something
[12:28] <archangel_> I have file location at the top
[12:28] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: if i told you my maximum downstream speed you'll die
[12:28] <archangel_> and options at the bottom
[12:28] <ins-dragonclaw> promise
[12:28] <archangel_> nothing in the middle
[12:29] <n6rej> crackhead_25: in the mouse section if you've changed anything ever, you might want to check "defaults" to reset stuff.
[12:29] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: you on dial-up?
[12:29] <ins-dragonclaw> I use WVDIAL to connect - do the math
[12:29] <n6rej> archangel_: paste whast in the file
[12:29] <alakhia> n6rej: the vsftpd server is actually for ftp ... not nfs
[12:29] <ins-dragonclaw> yep
[12:30] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: wow,
[12:30] <ins-dragonclaw> hence vs_FTP_pd
[12:30] <alakhia> n6rej: right ... :)
[12:30] <alakhia> n6rej: ins-dragonclas ... :)
[12:30] <n6rej> alakhia: yep, but if your just going to send files use that, if you need more use nfs
[12:30] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: Theoretical max downstream: 10kBytes/s. Usual speed: 4kBytes/s
[12:30] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: you sea bound?
[12:30] <ins-dragonclaw> my poor modem has done over 1024mb of data transfer by now...
[12:31] <soulrider> uhm
[12:31] <archangel_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12071/
[12:31] <soulrider> i feel so tempted to try and upgrade to feisty
[12:31] <alakhia> n6rej: nfs sounds better to me ... found the guide and the section related to that
[12:31] <soulrider> but i dont want kubuntu to die again
[12:31] <ins-dragonclaw> i -DID- mention that i use a SE k750i's GPRS modem to connect, right? :p
[12:31] <n6rej> what the heck?
[12:31] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: at what speed do you dl ?
[12:32] <n6rej> archangel_: what did you do?
 n6rej: Theoretical max downstream: 10kBytes/s. Usual speed: 4kBytes/s
[12:32] <soulrider> GPRS, isnt that like REALLY slow ?
[12:32] <ins-dragonclaw> just pasted the stats again
[12:32] <soulrider> oh shyte
[12:32] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:32] <soulrider> how did you download a gb! :P
[12:32] <soulrider> i remember when i got DSL
[12:32] <ins-dragonclaw> over 8 months or so
[12:32] <n6rej> !easysource | archangel_
[12:32] <ubotu> archangel_: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:32] <soulrider> it was uber fast, 64Kb/64Kb :P
[12:32] <n6rej> arch, go rebuild your apt!!  its hosed!
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> I have access to a line at my local temple: max i've seen it do is 226kB/s downstream
[12:33] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: why use the gprs?
[12:33] <archangel_> an attempt to upgrade
[12:33] <soulrider> local temple ?
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> because my parents don't believe in DSL
[12:33] <n6rej> archangel_: ah
[12:33] <soulrider> lol
[12:33] <archangel_> someone was helping me online
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> oh, church
[12:33] <soulrider> ahh i see
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> Hatfield Christian Church
[12:33] <archangel_> thats all I know
[12:33] <soulrider> you use ubuntu CE ?
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> but it's beyond 'church'
[12:34] <archangel_> I cant really tell you what I did, cause I ahve no idea
[12:34] <archangel_> lol
[12:34] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: actually I think I understand what they are trying to accomplish.
[12:34] <ins-dragonclaw> who is the 'they' ?
[12:34] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: look here ... http://www.thewish.info
[12:34] <n6rej> your parents
[12:34] <Admiral_Chicago> archangel_: history | grep apt
[12:34] <ins-dragonclaw> no, i know darn well what they/re trying to accomplish
[12:34] <ins-dragonclaw> : Nothing.
[12:34] <Admiral_Chicago> that'll show you everything you did from CLI
[12:34] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: LOL
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> no kidding
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> it's very cheap to install DSL, and local rates are only that much more expensive
[12:35] <soulrider> what will ahppen if you spend a fortune in dual-up? :P
[12:35] <archangel_> ok done
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> but they use dialup and stick to the ulcers they get
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> soulrider: Nothing
[12:35] <steveire> Is there a voip application for kubuntu? Something like skype. Also using a protocol that's available on a windows application.
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> apart from my dismemberment
[12:36] <ins-dragonclaw> Ekiga Softphone?
[12:36] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: but what does it expose you to?  What POSSIBLE issues could come with it?  Just like archangel tv
[12:36] <Skrot> steveire: Well, there's skype.
[12:36] <archangel_> nothing still
[12:36] <n6rej> steveire: skype is available
[12:36] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: nothing new. What I access from grps (IRC POP3 and webs) is what i'll access via dsl
[12:36] <ins-dragonclaw> oh, and the odd torrent :)
[12:36] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: they probably have to be proven that?
[12:37] <steveire> skype has never worked for me. I had audio problems and call dropping and everything.
[12:37] <n6rej> steveire: they've updated it recently.
[12:37] <n6rej> works great for me.
[12:37] <ins-dragonclaw> okay. assuming that I prove that it's safe clean fast costeffective and worth it ... they still won;t get it
[12:37] <n6rej> but yes there are other voip apps
[12:37] <steveire> ekiga seems to be a gnome application.
[12:37] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: are they truly "christians"?
[12:37] <steveire> n6rej: Do you use a repo version?
[12:38] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: if they are like that with DSL, i dont wanna know what they will do if you turn out to be gay :P
[12:38] <n6rej> steveire: dpkg
[12:38] <archangel_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12074/
[12:38] <steveire> Got a repo for me?
[12:38] <archangel_> what do I d?
[12:38] <archangel_> o
[12:38] <n6rej> soulrider: I'm slightly homophobic because of my beliefs, but as long as you don't press "your" lifestyle onto mine I leave it be.
[12:39] <soulrider> i see n6rej
[12:39] <soulrider> i would ahve a discussion about it, but it would probably turn into an argument and this place isnt appropiate
[12:39] <archangel_> I have to take my son to the doc...he has the plague
[12:39] <soulrider> archangel_:  =/
[12:39] <n6rej> soulrider: cc, I just take that man for what he said.
[12:40] <n6rej> soulrider: I could explain more but this aint the place.
[12:40] <archangel_> I will have to continue this in
[12:40] <archangel_> a little while
[12:40] <archangel_> thanks bye
[12:40] <ins-dragonclaw> grah
[12:40] <soulrider> n6rej: wanna go to offtopic ?
[12:40] <n6rej> archangel_: try rebooting, I don't know what you've got going on its more then one issue
[12:40] <n6rej> soulrider: query
[12:40] <soulrider> k
[12:41] <steveire> !skpye
[12:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skpye - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:41] <steveire> !skype
[12:41] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[12:44] <Arwen> this channel isn't +t?
[12:44] <Arwen> sweet!
[12:44] <Admiral_Chicago> i think it actually is...
[12:44] <sstchur> Anyone know if the mouse cursor theme used in openSuse is publicly available?
[12:44] <steveire> Arwen: Nice name
[12:44] <Arwen> ......
[12:44] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:44] <Arwen> see? not +t
[12:44] <sasq> knetworkman stops updating the list of wireless spots... why, and what can I do about it?
[12:45] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[12:45] <Arwen> lol....
[12:45] <ins-dragonclaw> someone set +nrt
[12:45] <Arwen> .....
[12:45] <Arwen> better
[12:45] <Admiral_Chicago> lets not play with the topic, least we get angy devs
[12:48] <crackhead_25> n6rej: i haent changed anything
[12:48] <crackhead_25> i think it has to do with gpm or gmp whatever you call it, the mouse driver used when switching over between xsessions and other things.. somehow i want to disengage/remove it?? but i dont know how..
[12:54] <AmyRose_> That's it. Konversation sucks.
[12:55] <AmyRose_> XChat is better.
[12:55] <ins-dragonclaw> ...lol...
[12:56] <Skrot> AmyRose: What's better about it?
[12:56] <ins-dragonclaw> hello AmyRose_, by the way
[12:56] <AmyRose> Skrot, XChat has HELP.
[12:56] <ins-dragonclaw> heheh
[12:57] <Skrot> hehe
[12:57] <AmyRose> I can't live without the /help command very long
[12:57] <AmyRose> and hello, ins-dragonclaw
[12:58] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[12:58] <AmyRose> I know I'm a traitor for preferring a GTK-based IRC client, but at least I'm NOT using xchat-gnome. Xchat-gnome is the worst IRC client next to Kopete I've ever used ;P
[12:59] <AmyRose> Vanilla XChat is better than that stupid GNOME "Take all the options away" version
[12:59] <steveire> AmyRose: What's your preffered client?
[12:59] <steveire> Oh.
[12:59] <steveire> Can skype still be integrated with Kopete?
[12:59] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[01:00] <Armagguedes> does anyone know if there is a problem with the Feisty Beta CD? i can't boot from it (nor access it). I'm on my 2nd burn
[01:00] <AmyRose> steveire, Vanilla XChat for now.
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Armagguedes: #ubuntu+1 for feisty questions
[01:00] <Armagguedes> ok sry
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> krap
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> it sucks when you find a song that keeps you awake...
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> at 1 in the morning :(
[01:01] <Armagguedes> even for Kubuntu issues/questions Admiral_Chicago ?
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> Armagguedes: yep.
[01:01] <steveire> You used to be able to get your skype contacts through kopete no?
[01:01] <sledge> Where has linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-generic gone to?
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> even worse - the song forces you to move...
[01:02] <jarn> sledge: I heard that it hasn't been made yet.
[01:02] <jarn> sledge: Dunno if that's true.
[01:02] <sledge> jarn: Thanks. That confirms my suspicion. :P. BRB, reboot.
[01:04] <szaloony> hi
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> hello
[01:05] <szaloony> I need help :)
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> ask
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> notice the smile...
[01:06] <szaloony> I want to change my screen resolution to 800x600 but it's impossible - there's no option
[01:06] <szaloony> can I change it in some file or something like that?
[01:06] <jhutchins> !fixres | szaloony
[01:06] <ubotu> szaloony: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> szaloony: why do you want it so low?
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> KMenu > System Settings > Monitor & Display > Size, Orientation & Positioning
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> massive slider for resolution
[01:07] <szaloony> I have to
[01:07] <szaloony> I know
[01:09] <szaloony> ok, Ill check the howto
[01:09] <szaloony> thanks
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> !solve-all-my-problems
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> damn :(
[01:11] <jhutchins> Zambia?  Zaire?
[01:12] <jhutchins> South Africa!  Whoda guessed!
[01:12] <eilker> !fix adept
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix adept - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <jhutchins> What timezone?GMT + 2
[01:12] <eilker> !fix adept crash
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix adept crash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> yep
[01:12] <Arwen> !ubotu sucks
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> !adept
[01:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sucks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:13] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[01:13] <jhutchins> !adept crash fix
[01:13] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[01:13] <eilker> thanx :)
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> jhutchins: where'd that sudden location revelation come from?
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[01:14] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: your ISP's domain.
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> -someone- is poking around in WHOIS :p
[01:14] <jhutchins> You mentioned a bit back that it was after 01:00 AM.
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> mhmm
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> I also mentioned (quite a few times) that i was in South Africa
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[01:15] <jhutchins> I probably missed those, I went to the trouble of looking it up.
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> hehe
[01:15] <eilker> 02:15 here am
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> well, thanks for the trouble... lol
[01:15] <jhutchins> 18:15 CDt here
[01:15] <n6rej> boy teens have it hard sometimes.
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: ?
[01:15] <n6rej> its a wonder I survived it
[01:15] <n6rej> lol
[01:16] <jhutchins> Wow, my GMT clock is on time, that's unusuall.
[01:16] <Jestre^> Amen
[01:16] <n6rej> I'm just remembering what it was like going through my teens now
[01:16] <ins-dragonclaw> oO
[01:17] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: has the "infighting died down there yet?
[01:17] <n6rej> SA is such a distraught nation.
[01:17] <khaije1> !bot
[01:17] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:17] <ins-dragonclaw> infighting?
[01:17] <ins-dragonclaw> it's a fullblown civil war
[01:17] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: hasn't that been going on for like decades now?
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> since 1995 or so
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> so yeah - +- 12 years
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> ever since "independence"
[01:18] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: I can't imagine living in the fear.
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> what a frigging joke
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> what fear?
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> we've gotten over the fear
[01:18] <Arwen> !drm is not cool
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> we actually laugh at the crime
[01:18] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: weird.
[01:18] <Arwen> lol...
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> we make fun of murderers and rapists
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> South Africa
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> the rules are different here
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> (i've said that before)
[01:19] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: obvisously.
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> We also have one of the strongest Christian movements in the world - and a massive buddhist temple
[01:19] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: I understand though that your country has a strong economny for sail boat building.
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> our supposedly neutral parliament performs animal sacrificices
[01:19] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: yep I know. that part.
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> sacrifices*
[01:19] <n6rej> wha?
[01:19] <BluesKaj> lol
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> the ZCC
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> not kidding
[01:20] <ins-dragonclaw> Ancestral worship
[01:20] <ins-dragonclaw> rampant in the Gov't
[01:20] <n6rej> I SWEAR HE's coming sooner then we know.
[01:20] <ins-dragonclaw> nope
[01:20] <ins-dragonclaw> things aren't bad enough yet
[01:20] <khaije1> this is an example of one of the toughest things about linux, do i go with mpg321 or mpg123, both are excellent but i only need one...
[01:20] <ins-dragonclaw> let aids and the GRM have their run
[01:20] <n6rej> khaije1: lol
[01:20] <khaije1> there is not way to find out this type of info w/o testing it myself
[01:20] <BluesKaj> yeah and we'll have palm tree growing in northern ontario :)
[01:21] <Arwen> hey guys, go over to ##windows, it's hilarious
[01:21] <n6rej> grm?
[01:21] <ins-dragonclaw> gay rights movement
[01:21] <LjL> !offtopic
[01:21] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:21] <LjL> !o4o
[01:21] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-offtopic. It is asked that controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[01:21] <n6rej> LjL: cc
[01:21] <ins-dragonclaw> !life
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about life - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> HAHAHA
[01:22] <LjL> ins-dragonclaw i'm serious
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> ok, that was random
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> "Sorry, I don't know anything about life"
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> XD
[01:22] <BluesKaj> Arwen, I was there , they're entitled to their beliefs ...no point in flaming them :)
[01:22] <n6rej> LjL: you've been patient thanks for the warning.
[01:22] <AmyRose> !political-debates
[01:22] <Arwen> BluesKaj, that guy failed at life :-\
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> !LjL
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ljl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:23] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmmm
[01:23] <ins-dragonclaw> ;)
[01:23] <n6rej> hey guys, um bot playing is bad juju
[01:23] <AmyRose> ROFL!!!!! Typing that gave me this: <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[01:23] <LjL> we know
[01:23] <AmyRose> It just caught me by surprise
[01:24] <carutsu> scuse me
[01:25] <LjL> we shall try
[01:25] <carutsu> is there a way to play windows-shared songs in Amarok or Kaffeine
[01:25] <carutsu> ?
[01:25] <carutsu> LjL xD
[01:25] <Arwen> carutsu, define a "windows-shared song"
[01:25] <LjL> carutsu: "shared" you mean with the windows file&folder sharing thing (aka SMB)?
[01:25] <carutsu> a song that is stored on a windows host and is shared
[01:26] <carutsu> LjL that's it
[01:26] <LjL> right, shared *how* though
[01:26] <LjL> !samba | then
[01:26] <ubotu> then: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:26] <carutsu> LjL i tried to but amarok just crashes
[01:26] <Arwen> carutsu, um, yes, just open it
[01:26] <LjL> carutsu: what did you try exactly?
[01:26] <carutsu> nope, i can see it but if i play it amarok just crashes
[01:26] <carutsu> double click it
[01:27] <carutsu> if i instead copy it i can play it with no worries
[01:27] <LjL> carutsu: double click after mounting it as a samb or double click after just going to the "network" icon?
[01:27] <LjL> s/samb/samba share/
[01:27] <carutsu> just network icon
[01:27] <Arwen> LjL, use smbmount to mount the share first
[01:27] <Arwen> carutsu, *
[01:27] <LjL> carutsu: mount it as a samba share
[01:27] <carutsu> that's is
[01:27] <carutsu> ok
[01:27] <LjL> Arwen: smbmount isn't supposed to be used directly, use mount
[01:27] <jhutchins> carutsu: I store my music on a Windows server and play it with amarok.
[01:28] <aaron_> ok finally got Quake 3 running good and stable
[01:28] <LjL> specifically, mount //boxname/sharename /media/whatever -o username=whatever
[01:28] <Arwen> LjL, oh? well, it works, so :-\
[01:28] <jhutchins> carutsu: It's mostly mp3.
[01:28] <Arwen> aaron_, yay?
[01:28] <LjL> (if a username is needed)
[01:28] <carutsu> so what should i do mount or smbmount
[01:28] <aaron_> so now I got a new problem
[01:28] <Arwen> aaron_, btw, Quake 4 ftw
[01:28] <LjL> and if that gives problems, use mount -t cifs /blablah
[01:28] <aaron_> sorry
[01:28] <aaron_> its the mouse
[01:28] <aaron_> it has a long delay time
[01:28] <aaron_> and it acts wierd
[01:28] <jhutchins> carutsu: I use regular mount with smbfs and define the mountpoints and credential files in fstab.
[01:28] <LjL> carutsu: see above
[01:28] <aaron_> I like Quake III but yeah
[01:29] <carutsu> let me try
[01:29] <LjL> carutsu: what jhutchins says is certainly the way to have it conveniently mounted at every boot
[01:29] <LjL> but i think it *is* all described by !samba
[01:29] <aaron_> any mouse drivers that I need to install or something
[01:29] <BluesKaj> well, i dumped mplayer in favour of the gxine plugin ...works well on sites using windows media :)
[01:29] <jhutchins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[01:29] <aaron_> because this mouse driver really doesnt work well at all
[01:29] <LjL> aaron_: what ubuntu version?
[01:29] <aaron_> 6.10
[01:29] <LjL> not feisty, right?
[01:30] <aaron_> its edgy
[01:30] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: You may also want to look at VLC, it handles a lot of formats and has some interesting features like streaming.
[01:30] <aaron_> because the mouse acts really wierd in quake 3
[01:30] <LjL> ok, i asked because i've had reports of mouse responsiveness problems in feisty
[01:30] <aaron_> ah
[01:30] <jhutchins> aaron_: Did you resolve an issue with gpm already?
[01:30] <aaron_> gpm?
[01:31] <jhutchins> aaron_: Console mouse daemon.
[01:31] <jhutchins> aaron_: ps ax | grep gpm
[01:31] <LjL> what issue?
[01:31] <jhutchins> I saw someone mention gpm earlier, possibly in a different channel, thoguht it might have been aaron.
[01:31] <aaron_> ok it says 4716 pts/1
[01:32] <aaron_> no wasnt me
[01:32] <aaron_> but what does that mean
[01:32] <aaron_> I just want it to work
[01:32] <aaron_> without slowdown
[01:32] <LjL> don't we all
[01:32] <jhutchins> Ah, crackhead_25 at 22:48gmt
[01:32] <aaron_> JUST WORK AHHHHH
[01:32] <aaron_> lol
[01:33] <jhutchins> aaron_: Try this: sudo /etc/init.d/gpm stop, then see if that fixes the mouse problem.
[01:33] <crackhead_25> hey hows it goin
[01:33] <crackhead_25> someone say my name?
[01:33] <aaron_> it says command not found
[01:33] <FuzzyTheBear> just a note : i never used kubuntu before , took the new 7.04 cd .. popped it in .. it booted fine , had an install button .. pressed it .. the system got installed .. i rebooted , sound , video , all hardware , network etc was working , even detected there was a windows hd and proposed to boot it in the grub list . i got only one thing to say : congratulations to all the development / testing team .. this is one hell of a
[01:33] <FuzzyTheBear>  release. thank you
[01:34] <FuzzyTheBear> this is  a fantastic release.
[01:34] <FuzzyTheBear> Good night all
[01:35] <carutsu> i tried to mount as: "sudo mount //a/pcname/ /home/user/Desktop/Shared"
[01:35] <carutsu> what did i miss?
[01:36] <LjL> carutsu: assuming the mountpoint really exists and the pc name and sharename are right... nothing
[01:36] <LjL> what's the error message though?
[01:36] <jhutchins> aaron_: Then try sudo killall gpm
[01:36] <carutsu> incorrect file system
[01:37] <carutsu> LjL: code page is missing
[01:37] <jhutchins> carutsu: sudo mount -t smbfs //server/share /wherever
[01:37] <aaron_> it says no process killed
[01:37] <prophet> im having a little issue with my LCD can someone give me a hand?
[01:37] <jhutchins> aaron_: That ps ax result was probably the grep command then, and gpm isn't running.  Sorry, nevermind, gonna have to keep looking.
[01:38] <FragUPlenty> ok
[01:38] <FragUPlenty> ok
[01:38] <FragUPlenty> thanks
[01:40] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, VLC didn't work very well previously ,it blocked the mplayer plugin ... didnt have xine plugin at the time.
[01:40] <Arwen> BluesKaj, did the VLC plugin even work for you? for me, it just always says "NO VIDEO, JOO FAILZ"
[01:41] <Kermit> anyone know how to reinstall a D-Link G650 PC card in Feisty?
[01:41] <BluesKaj> Arwen, no VLC plugin did not work
[01:41] <Arwen> yeah, same here
[01:42] <Kermit> sorry ment to say D-Link GWL-G650
[01:43] <FragUPlenty> so wait is it possible that it is the program
[01:43] <Arwen> !grip
[01:43] <ubotu> grip is a ripping player and has a minor bug which can be solved by doing this "sudo ln -s /dev/hdX /dev/cdromN" where X is your hard drive and N a number
[01:44] <carutsu> i just can't mount it, i ever tried to "mount -t smbfs //work.group/server/folder /wherever"
[01:44] <Arwen> is there a kde CD ripper?
[01:44] <FragUPlenty> ok I am installing warsow to see if it is actually the program
[01:44] <c0nv1ct> carutsu: try using IPs instead of netbios names
[01:44] <c0nv1ct> carutsu: see if it works
[01:45] <LjL> carutsu, if there's a codepage-related error, and you're not using english windows, then perhaps you just need to install some codepages-related package, though i don't know where to look about there
[01:46] <Ashfire908> hi
[01:46] <carutsu> mm, that's wierd
[01:46] <carutsu> *weird
[01:48] <DM|> I use gnome normally, can anyone help me get my icons back to a normal size , heres a screenshot of settings / problem http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotbh0.png
[01:49] <NightBird> DM|: uh... have you tried changing the size?
[01:50] <jhutchins> carutsu: Ok, did you read the !samba howto?  Can you see the share if you browse to it?
[01:50] <DM|> aye
[01:50] <DM|> its either really small, or overlaping the text
[01:50] <jhutchins> carutsu: You may have to join the windows network, you at least have to set it up to be in the same workgroup.
[01:50] <NightBird> when you've selected the Toolbar section?
[01:50] <carutsu> jhutchins yes if i open in konqueror smb://server i can browse
[01:50] <DM|> nightbird im talking about the icons in the file manager section
[01:50] <jhutchins> carutsu: You would probably need to supply either a credential file with the username and password, or supply them with the mount command or in fstab.
[01:50] <FragUPlenty> ok so the problem seems to be the mouse is synced to the framerate
[01:51] <FragUPlenty> so if the framerate goes down then the mouse stops working right
[01:51] <NightBird> DM|: hm... dunno
[01:51] <jhutchins> carutsu: Did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently ?
[01:51] <DM|> Nightbird i dont like KDE for this reason, too many lost options
[01:51] <Arwen> wow, acidrip is sweet!
[01:51] <carutsu> jhutchins i'm on my way
[01:52] <carutsu> jhutchins i also cant acces shared printers
[01:52] <Arwen> DM|, better than GNOME, which has 0 options :-\
[01:52] <NightBird> DM|: have you tried asking in #kde?
[01:52] <jhutchins> carutsu: Ok, some printers are wierd, but you should be able to get it.  Samba's had this worked out for a long time.
[01:53] <DM|> Arwen nah, i love gnome. has the options i need and has tons of options, all in places that make sense
[01:53] <carutsu> DMJ i dont want to start a fight but is no so customizable..
[01:53] <DM|> too bad i just cant speak
[01:53] <crackhead_25> anyone have ideas about the following problem: when i restart my xserver, my mouse pointer seems to become invisible. the mouse still works, if i can guess where the pointer is, but i can't see the pointer. someone mentioned possibly a conflict with xserver and gpm (mouse drivers). if so, how do i remove or disable gpm from ever starting or fix the problem otherwise??
[01:54] <jhutchins> DM|: What happens when you check "Double Sized Pixels"?
[01:54] <DM|> carutsu i just asked a question, that no one was able to answer about KDE so...
[01:54] <DM|> jhutchins lemme take a SS
[01:55] <jhutchins> (make sure to "Apply" and refresh)
[01:55] <DM|> i did
[01:55] <DM|> jhutchins its weird http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/284/screenshot1cm8.png
[01:55] <carutsu> jhutchins somehow i hadn't smbfs!! that's weird!!
[01:55] <DM|> its like its not loading the right size icons and labeling it wrong
[01:56] <DM|> when i change themes the same thing happens
[01:56] <crackhead_25> anyone know about my mouse question??
[01:57] <DM|> whats the question
[01:57] <jhutchins> DM|:  Ok, that's about the same size as min are in relation to the text in the title bars.  Yes, I see the wierd text.
[01:57] <DM|> musta missed it sorry
[01:57] <DM|> jhutchins any suggestions ?
[01:57] <jhutchins> DM|: Try messing with the konq settings instead of system settings.
[01:58] <neoncode> Is there a Higher risk of data corruption on XFS compared to ext3?
[01:58] <jhutchins> crackhead_25: You should be able to stop gpm with sudo /etc/init.d/gpm stop or sudo killall gpm
[01:58] <carutsu> jhutchins it worked as a charm
[01:59] <carutsu> jhutchins any ideas about printer sharing?
[01:59] <jarn> Is it just me or does he QT logo look a lot like the Soviet Hammer and Sickle?
[02:00] <crackhead_25> ..but i think gpm only runs when i switch between xserver sessions or something? what if gpm doesnt work in fixing the problem? any ideas what may be causing it??
[02:00] <carutsu> jhutchins although i get weird icons for the  characters, o well i can live with that
[02:01] <jhutchins> crackhead_25: Nope.
[02:01] <prophet> there is no   menu bars in Konqueror
[02:01] <prophet> how do you get those back?
[02:01] <jhutchins> carutsu: That woudl be your character set, you can actually select that in the mount command, but I don't know much about it.
[02:02] <Star> someone gril to  talk with me?
[02:02] <carutsu> jhutchins i'll look for it, thank you
[02:02] <DM|> jhutchins cant find anything
[02:02] <jhutchins> Ooh, grill, got to check the barbecue!
[02:04] <DM|> jhutchins HAHA found it !
[02:04] <DM|> view>iconsize>large, was set to tiny
[02:08] <lorderunion> hi. i'm having trouble connecting my nomad jukebox3 to amarok. it, however, runs perfectly (out of the box) with gnomad2
[02:10] <easytiger> lorderunion: using latest amarok?
[02:10] <lorderunion> yes.
[02:10] <lorderunion> and 6.10 kubuntu
[02:11] <easytiger> never used a nomad so i cant really suggest much
[02:11] <eilker> !cloak
[02:11] <ubotu> Tor & other common anonymizing proxies get abused to attack & spam Ubuntu channels, so they're blocked. Get a cloak from Freenode instead, and stop wasting your time with Tor: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[02:12] <greg> hi
[02:12] <lorderunion> well. i plugged in a usb thumb drive a few hours ago and amarok prompted me with a dialog box asking if it was a media device. i plugged in the nomad in, and i didnt get any dialog.
[02:12] <greg> I did that kinda system update thing on kubuntu 6.10, and the box will no longer reboot.  I get kubuntu screen, then blackness.
[02:14] <Compleja> !es
[02:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:14] <Compleja> thnks
[02:16] <lorderunion> ah heh. i went to configure amarok, and add media devices
[02:16] <lorderunion> that worked.
[02:16] <lorderunion> weird.
[02:16] <lorderunion> thanks for the help anyway easytiger
[02:17] <easytiger> lol.
[02:19] <n6rej> brb gonna try to reboot!
[02:19] <soulrider> good luck
[02:19] <n6rej> thanks
[02:19] <wendy> i need help
[02:22] <soulrider> just ask wendy
[02:22] <soulrider> cool, it worked :)
[02:22] <N6REJ> yeah, even auto registered my nic!
[02:23] <wendy> i need install msn in kubuntu.you know?
[02:23] <soulrider> i just convinces someone to try kubuntu out :P
[02:23] <soulrider> wendy: you cant ahve msn, but you can have some programs to connect to msn
[02:23] <soulrider> try kopete, you can talk to your msn contatcs
[02:23] <N6REJ> or gaim
[02:23] <soulrider> wendy: theres also a programt hat looks just like MSN called aMSN
[02:23] <N6REJ> gaim will let you talk to all of them
[02:23] <carutsu> Kopete, Gaim, aMSN
[02:24] <N6REJ> anyone know amarok well?
[02:24] <wendy> ok thanks
[02:24] <carutsu> or even Monkey MSN
[02:24] <carutsu> is integrated with GTk
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> N6REJ: what do you want to know about it?
[02:25] <soulrider> wendy: are you familiar with installing programs on ubuntu?
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> other than it's the app that made me dump windows for good :)
[02:25] <soulrider> theres a small guide you can read that will teach you lots!
[02:25] <N6REJ> I can't get it to detect my dvd drive.  I tried using kdemedia creator to rip but if it went any slower it would be next mellinia before it was done!
[02:25] <N6REJ> 3 hours to do 15 songs
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> i've never done cd ripping with amarok :(
[02:25] <N6REJ> I can't even play cd's with amarok
[02:26] <BluesKaj> aMSN works well...I'm not big on IM but I have used it recently without any problems
[02:26] <N6REJ> no media devices found
[02:27] <N6REJ> its plays created mp3's nicely
[02:29] <N6REJ> ok, now this is weird... it found the cd and started to play but then stopped
[02:30] <N6REJ> I've lost my sound apparently
[02:31] <wendy> i need download music in kubuntu.how?
[02:32] <N6REJ> wendy: from where?
[02:32] <soulrider> wendy: try frostwire
[02:32] <wendy> kubuntu system
[02:32] <BluesKaj> wendy, ktorrent
[02:33] <soulrider> wendy: sos de uruguay? =/
[02:33] <N6REJ> ok, something is totally haywire, sound is gone
[02:33] <wendy> no de mexico
[02:33] <soulrider> !es | wendy
[02:33] <ubotu> wendy: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:34] <wendy> gracias(thanks)
[02:34] <N6REJ> wendy: tell me sometimes how they make those cool balloons
[02:35] <soulrider> N6REJ: i don think wendyis too fluent in english =/
[02:35] <N6REJ> si habla de espanol mui poquito
[02:35] <N6REJ> and I bet I said that poorly
[02:35] <soulrider> uhm, yeah :P
[02:35] <N6REJ> heheeh
[02:35] <N6REJ> I can say it better then I can type it.
[02:36] <N6REJ> in little tijuana they make this weird baloons that are completely an orb with a open center.  No visible means of connectivity
[02:37] <N6REJ> I saw them when we had "mui qualante chocalte'" and I KNOW I spelled that wrong.
[02:37] <N6REJ> in a "dennys"
[02:38] <Betzefer> any 1 needs help ?
[02:38] <N6REJ> remember when we were talking about differences, hot chocalate ain't hot chocolate LOL
[02:38] <N6REJ> hey betz
[02:38] <N6REJ> you bored
[02:39] <N6REJ> what controls the sound in kde?
[02:39] <N6REJ> alsa?
[02:40] <FragUPlenty> still frustrated that I cant get the mouse problem figured out
[02:40] <FragUPlenty> has anyone else had this problem
[02:40] <FragUPlenty> where like the mouse syncs to the framerate
[02:40] <FragUPlenty> and the mouse undergows like massive slowdown
[02:41] <N6REJ> oh I read about that.
[02:41] <philfo> new to ubuntu and having a few issues I'd like some advice with
[02:41] <N6REJ> go read launchpad frag
[02:41] <FragUPlenty> its kinda wierd but I would really like to figure it out so that I can use this pc for lan partys
[02:41] <Betzefer> N6REJ : do sudo alsamixer in terminal
[02:41] <N6REJ> I'm sure I saw a blurb about that.
[02:41] <FragUPlenty> what do you mean launchpad
[02:42] <N6REJ> !launchpad | FragUPlenty
[02:42] <ubotu> FragUPlenty: launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[02:42] <Betzefer> philfo : just ask man ull get an answer
[02:42] <N6REJ> Betzefer: now what?
[02:42] <Betzefer> gave the pass ?
[02:42] <N6REJ> yep
[02:42] <N6REJ> sound has worked, it just suddently stopped
[02:42] <Betzefer> ok
[02:43] <Betzefer> you got a cool window with
[02:43] <philfo> thanks. so I am a recent convert from win xp and want to run GIMPshop
[02:43] <Betzefer> bars
[02:43] <N6REJ> yep
[02:43] <BluesKaj> Mplayer still won't launch ...I've tried following the directions setting -vo+X11 to the config file etc etc ...nothing works  :(
[02:43] <FragUPlenty> ok I got it and bookmarked it is the solution to my mouse problem here
[02:43] <Betzefer> start playing with it with coursers
[02:43] <N6REJ> I don't know for sure frag, just seems I remember reading about it.
[02:43] <BluesKaj> Mplayer launches but won't play
[02:43] <N6REJ> sound can be soooo touchy
[02:43] <Betzefer> ya
[02:44] <Betzefer> youre right
[02:44] <N6REJ> amarok is what tweaked it.
[02:44] <Betzefer> ya
[02:44] <Betzefer> have u tried beep media ?
[02:44] <Betzefer> its really cool
[02:44] <Betzefer> and fun
[02:44] <N6REJ> whats interesting is I was ripping with kdecreator and it was goig slower then heck and so I stopped it and now no sound.
[02:44] <Betzefer> its just like winamp
[02:44] <N6REJ> cool
[02:45] <philfo> so, in a nutshell, how can I manually get the program to run?
[02:45] <FragUPlenty> ok thanks
[02:45] <Betzefer> try it out
[02:45] <BluesKaj> sometimes it's so frustrating ,it makes me wanna take a break and run windows for a while :)
[02:45] <N6REJ> philfo: like what?
[02:45] <Betzefer> which ?
[02:45] <philfo> gimpshop
[02:45] <Betzefer> lol
[02:45] <Betzefer> dont give up
[02:45] <N6REJ> philfo: have you installed it?
[02:45] <Betzefer> have u read the readme doc ?
[02:45] <N6REJ> Betzefer: nah
[02:45] <BluesKaj> well, no one seems to know any fixes
[02:45] <philfo> is the problem that gimpshop is slightly older than gimp?
[02:45] <philfo> yup
[02:46] <N6REJ> philfo: does it have a gui?
[02:46] <BluesKaj> read so many , I'm sick of reading about it
[02:46] <N6REJ> lol hear ya BluesKaj
[02:46] <Betzefer> N6REJ : which irc prog do u use ?
[02:46] <philfo> i'm new to the LINUX OS aside from what I used in the navy years ago
[02:46] <N6REJ> Konversation
[02:46] <Betzefer> u to ?
[02:46] <Betzefer> i hate it !
[02:46] <Betzefer> lol
[02:46] <BluesKaj> hehe
[02:46] <philfo> gimpshop a gui?
[02:46] <BluesKaj> Kvirc!
[02:47] <N6REJ> kvirc?
[02:47] <N6REJ> whats so special about it?
[02:47] <BluesKaj> supposed to be good
[02:47] <philfo> yeah, but I can't find a file to execute it.
[02:47] <FragUPlenty> so the mouse setting are in xorg.conf
[02:47] <BluesKaj> has serverlists
[02:47] <FragUPlenty> ok so I need to edit something in that right
[02:47] <N6REJ> philfo: sudo updatedb | locate gimpshop
[02:47] <philfo> thanks.
[02:47] <BluesKaj> brb , gonna try kvirc
[02:47] <N6REJ> yw
[02:48] <Betzefer> is it any good ?
[02:48] <N6REJ> beats me.
[02:48] <N6REJ> Betzefer: so what do I do with this gtk app?
[02:48] <intelikey> N6REJ alternately and much faster    dpkg -L gimpshop | grep bin/
[02:49] <N6REJ> AH!
[02:49] <N6REJ> dpkg locate gimpshop binary
[02:49] <N6REJ> I'll have to try to remember that.
[02:49] <FragUPlenty> ok under protocol it says explorer ps/2
[02:49] <FragUPlenty> so should I change that to a better protocol
[02:49] <FragUPlenty> or keep that
[02:49] <intelikey> dpkg -L package_name  lists all the files installed from package_name
[02:50] <philfo> and what after that?
[02:50] <N6REJ> did you find it?
[02:51] <N6REJ> the bin that is?
[02:51] <philfo> "dpkg -L gimpshop | grep bin/"  worked to find the files
[02:51] <philfo> yes
[02:51] <N6REJ> run the bin
[02:51] <FragUPlenty> because it is actually a usb mouse
[02:51] <FragUPlenty> after that it says "device" "/dev/input/mice"
[02:51] <intelikey> files & dirs    so  dpkg -L bash | grep .gz   is an example test. to find gipped docs that came with bash
[02:52] <N6REJ> intelikey: how can I restart sound?
[02:52] <philfo> what is that command?
[02:52] <intelikey> locate also works.  as does  'find'.
[02:52] <philfo> run /usr/local/bin/gimp-2.2   ??
[02:52] <intelikey> N6REJ give me just a second on that.
[02:52] <N6REJ> k
[02:53] <Betzefer> what does this prog do ?
[02:53] <daphrak07> Is anyone useing 7.04 and is Beryl easy to setup in it?
[02:54] <N6REJ> !beryl
[02:54] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:54] <Betzefer> philfo
[02:54] <Betzefer> what does this prog do ?
[02:54] <daphrak07> join #ubuntu-effects
[02:54] <philfo> sorry there.  it's an image manipulation program.  like photoshop
[02:55] <Betzefer> ohhhhh
[02:55] <Betzefer> cool
[02:55] <philfo> GIMP is the original version.
[02:55] <Betzefer> why did u switch 2 linux
[02:55] <philfo> GIMPshop is the hacked version that mirrors the GUI of photoshop
[02:55] <N6REJ> gimpshop mirrors photoshop? *PERK*
[02:56] <philfo> because I was sick of windows.  it's been a long uninstall/reinstall the OS 8 months
[02:56] <intelikey> N6REJ if you mean arts.  it's in kmenu > system settings > sound     if you mean a total reset of alsa   >>>>  kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) && sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod|grep ^snd|awk '{print $1}') && sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sync && reboot -f
[02:56] <philfo> no, it doesn't mirror ps, but it's a lot closer to what I'm used to
[02:56] <N6REJ> philfo: stick around want to talk to you about that
[02:57] <N6REJ> intelikey: test sound failed.
[02:57] <N6REJ> so I'll have to kill and restart
[02:57] <philfo> sure
[02:57] <intelikey> restart soubd server ?
[02:57] <SubOne> It seems the easiest way for me to get host names working is to set both my computers to static IP and edit the hosts file for each. My question is: If I use a static IP on here will it stay static for all access points or will it allow me to configure DHCP on the WAP at work?
[02:58] <intelikey> N6REJ there is a fairly desent wiki
[02:58] <intelikey> !sound
[02:58] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:58] <N6REJ> let me reboot cause it was working
[02:58] <N6REJ> brb
[02:59] <Betzefer> say
[02:59] <Betzefer> guys
[02:59] <FragUPlenty> so can some tell me if I can run all those cool opengl stuff on my desktop
[02:59] <Betzefer> how kde4 ?
[02:59] <intelikey> "<N6REJ> let me reboot cause it was working" <<< old bad habits die hard.
[03:00] <FragUPlenty> Ive got a 1ghz p3, 512mb RAM, and radeon 9250
[03:00] <_Iwonder_> why people reboot linux?
[03:00] <leafw> the ubuntu launchpad website does NOT accept any more bugs
[03:00] <Betzefer> beacsue system falls
[03:00] <leafw> is that perfect, or the servers are screwed?
[03:01] <N6REJ> ok, that fixed it.
[03:01] <intelikey> Betzefer  extreemly few times have i seen that
[03:01] <N6REJ> wierd
[03:01] <_Iwonder_> system fails or app on system fails?
[03:01] <_Iwonder_> seldom have seen linux come to a point of needing reboot
[03:02] <N6REJ> I know
[03:02] <N6REJ> very strange
[03:02] <_Iwonder_> beauty of modular os
[03:02] <intelikey> _Iwonder_  yes sir yes sir three bags full
[03:02] <_Iwonder_> sorry
[03:02] <philfo> N6REJ, what was it you wanted to say about GIMP and PS?
[03:02] <N6REJ> ok.. sound does play.. now to get amarok to play it!
[03:03] <N6REJ> oh, the ONLY thing holding me to  windblows is that I'm VERY used to ps.  I don't know how I can live without it.  I'm doing swish and ps alot right now.
[03:03] <N6REJ> but i'd really like to.
[03:03] <philfo> gotcha.
[03:04] <N6REJ> I'd appreciate your comments.
[03:04] <enotee> do i have to run server edition run apache?
[03:04] <N6REJ> I'm not a ps expert
[03:04] <N6REJ> enotee: no
[03:04] <philfo> Windows MADE me switch because I've had too many problems with it in combination with Symantec software
[03:04] <N6REJ> enotee: why do you need apache>?
[03:04] <enotee> do i have to run server edition run mythtv
[03:04] <N6REJ> philfo: I got hijacked pretty bad the other day, is why I'm switching.
[03:05] <N6REJ> don't know about that one but I doubt it.
[03:05] <philfo> security issues?  me too.  I actually got this loaded today.
[03:05] <intelikey> enotee short answer   no
[03:05] <enotee> try setting up a personal web server
[03:05] <N6REJ> philfo: yeah, somehow they bypassed my router and got straight to my pc which was nat'd.
[03:06] <N6REJ> light-httpd?
[03:06] <philfo> ouch.
[03:06] <philfo> I'm also sick of paying for software that doesn't really help out too much (symantec)
[03:06] <N6REJ> lost 10yrs of work and all my .psds
[03:06] <philfo> oh goodness.
[03:07] <philfo> have you tried gimpshop?
[03:07] <Betzefer> ya youre right
[03:07] <N6REJ> no not yet
[03:07] <philfo> the drop-down menus are MUCH better than the gimp
[03:07] <N6REJ> sorry, was holding the plate with one hand, using the fork with the other and trying to type too!
[03:08] <N6REJ> is it as powerful as gimp?  I've only looked at gimp once.
[03:08] <philfo> gimpshop:    http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294
[03:08] <philfo> it is gimp, but has been modified for those of us used to using the functions and GUI of PS
[03:08] <N6REJ> OIC
[03:09] <N6REJ> what would I be giving up using that vs ps?
[03:09] <philfo> i started using it in windows last week as I was compiling together everything for my move
[03:09] <philfo> 16bit
[03:09] <N6REJ> never use 16bit LOL
[03:09] <N6REJ> least not knowingly
[03:09] <N6REJ> filters?
[03:09] <philfo> yeah, I DID & now I'm paying for it
[03:09] <philfo> filters are the same.
[03:09] <N6REJ> your kidding!
[03:10] <philfo> I mean almost everything is identical.
[03:10] <N6REJ> ps filters work?
[03:10] <philfo> they are gimp filters that have been hacked to work just like the ps filters
[03:10] <N6REJ> image ready?
[03:10] <philfo> it's not the whole suite.
[03:11] <N6REJ> DARN!
[03:11] <intelikey> philfo i know no one else is active in here atm.  but should that change you might want to move your disscussion to #kubuntu-offtopic  or pm    k
[03:11] <N6REJ> I wish adobe would hurryup
[03:11] <N6REJ> intelikey: cc
[03:11] <philfo> ok.  no problem intelikey
[03:11] <N6REJ> if we could get ps to K we'd rule the planet
[03:11] <airmon> One other lurker - having sound problems with Amarok and Kaffein
[03:11] <philfo> exactly
[03:12] <N6REJ> there'd be two os's OSX and K and that would be it :P
[03:12] <philfo> he he he
[03:12] <philfo> ok, here's my problem, I can't run gimpshop yet.
[03:12] <N6REJ> still
[03:12] <N6REJ> ok, let me see what I can figure out.
[03:13] <N6REJ> hangon one
[03:13] <philfo> thanks
[03:13] <N6REJ> np, searching adept right now
[03:13] <philfo> the bin command just brings me to the standard gimp installation
[03:13] <intelikey> airmon  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok  might have a lead on your issue   i don't know for sure.
[03:13] <N6REJ> weird.
[03:14] <N6REJ> intelikey: amarok is what killed my sound
[03:14] <hijjt> I have been working at getting a feisty upgrade going for about 2 days and I am having trouble getting x to start... I have a radeon mobility 9600 and it is a fresh install of feisty at this point
[03:14] <airmon> Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. I've got system sounds, just can't play mp3's.
[03:14] <philfo> here's my thought: GIMP is 2.2.13 and gimpshop is 2.2.11
[03:14] <intelikey> N6REJ  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok  might have a lead on your issue   i don't know for sure.
[03:14] <philfo> could the system just be defaulting to the newest version?
[03:14] <intelikey> !mp3 | airmon
[03:14] <ubotu> airmon: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:16] <N6REJ> I met Ray Boltz and this song brought me to my knees
[03:16] <airmon> yeah, I can check if my oogs work, but all my podcasts come down in .mp3.
[03:16] <intelikey> philfo could be an "alternatives" thang.   man update-alternatives for details
[03:16] <philfo> ??
 here's my thought: GIMP is 2.2.13 and gimpshop is 2.2.11 <<<  that ^
[03:17] <philfo> got it.
[03:17] <airmon> I've also  tried songbird, but that doesn't play either.
[03:17] <airmon> help.ubuntu.com isn't responding for me.
[03:18] <hijjt> airmon: are you using feisty?
[03:18] <airmon> yes.
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> airmon: launchpad is down too.
[03:18] <hijjt> airmon, did you try libxine1-plugins
[03:18] <philfo> intelikely: now I have started the man update-alternatives script, what next?
[03:18] <airmon> I've had the same problem with edgy.
[03:19] <hijjt> airmon, I had that problem earlier today, make sure you enable universe and multiverse and reinstall libxine and it's plugins and you should be able to get it
[03:20] <intelikey> "man update-alternatives"     not a script.     man man   in a konsole
[03:20] <airmon> OK, let me try that. Thanks.
[03:20] <N6REJ> here might be a clue... whats a "ubuntu parralles install"?
[03:20] <philfo> right, sorry.
[03:22] <N6REJ> philfo: did you install the pre-requisites?
[03:23] <philfo> prerequisites?
[03:23] <N6REJ> yep!
[03:23] <philfo> nope
[03:23] <N6REJ> http://linux.suramya.com/tutorials/Install_GIMPShop/
[03:23] <martalli> N6REJ: Could a "ubuntu parralles install" actually mean an nistall on parrallels on an imac?
[03:23] <N6REJ> heheeh shame on you
[03:23] <N6REJ> hopefully
[03:23] <BluesKaj> Kvirc sucks :) ... russian eye candy mirc wannabe
[03:23] <N6REJ> rotflmbo
[03:24] <N6REJ> i'm comfy, just miss smilies
[03:24] <martalli> BluesKaj: I think I agree.  I have been using it today an someone's recommendation...I think I want to go back to chat - seems like a cleaner interface to me =)
[03:24] <BluesKaj> smilies are fat ugly girls who need attn :)
[03:25] <martalli> I like my smilies in ASCII
[03:25] <BluesKaj> hehe
[03:25] <philfo> ok, I'm getting elbows deep into this, back in a while.
[03:25] <jarn> I'm trying to resize my external harddrive (which is formatted as ntfs) but gparted will only let me resize it to one size.
[03:25] <martalli> woops - above I meant that I want to go back to xchat
[03:26] <BluesKaj> i just wish some one would write a serverlist option for konversation
[03:26] <makuseru> is there anything i need to install for MIDI support?
[03:26] <N6REJ> lol
[03:27] <martalli> intelikey - it is like the wisdom of a thousand monkeys (at least on my part =)
[03:27] <BluesKaj> with a serverlist option download even , then Konverstaion would be complete IMO
[03:27] <intelikey> makuseru  kmid  ?
[03:27] <intelikey> playmidi - MIDI player
[03:27] <intelikey> pmidi - A command line midi player for ALSA
[03:28] <intelikey> how do you want it makuseru ?
[03:28] <BluesKaj> xchat's graphics are terrible on my pc
[03:28] <BluesKaj> monitor
[03:28] <makuseru> im trying to get KGuitar to work, and it needs midi support
[03:28] <N6REJ> stuipd kon dissapeared LOL
[03:28] <intelikey> le' me look...
[03:28] <Armagguedes> can i make a regular install with the alternate cd?
[03:29] <makuseru> alright, thanks intelikey
[03:29] <martalli> lol - did my last message actually say "action"?
[03:29] <N6REJ> philfo: do you know about cpan?
[03:30] <philfo> nope
[03:30] <MuJ> Armagguedes: yes
[03:30] <N6REJ> ok, have you installed "build-essential"
[03:30] <philfo> just started with cpan
[03:30] <N6REJ> k
[03:30] <N6REJ> the first like 30 questions just let it do what it needs
[03:30] <Armagguedes> ok tks
[03:30] <philfo> going through the list of prereqs
[03:30] <intelikey> makuseru looks to me like just having both kguitar and kmid  should enable that...
[03:31] <MuJ> Armagguedes: it just has the old text based installer ;)
[03:31] <N6REJ> yeah, I installed build-essential first just to cover the basics.
[03:31] <airmon> hijjt - Thanks lots. Amarok and kaffeine now work. songbird still no...
[03:33] <intelikey> makuseru if that's not working for you,  run  kguitar  in a konsole and test then it should burp out error messages that we can work with.
[03:33] <N6REJ> philfo: we got a problem.  atk is only version 1.0 in repos
[03:34] <makuseru> intelikey: SE3: Alsa scheduler error. Couldn't open sequencer
[03:34] <throllz> anyone know what's a good format to keep a library off DVD on the PC? I don't think AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS make a lotta sense
[03:34] <intelikey> makuseru ok... give me a sec.
[03:35] <philfo> what was that N6REJ?
[03:36] <BluesKaj> throllz how about .ISO
[03:36] <philfo> I have a problem with the glib, there's a file missing on the server
[03:36] <throllz> BluesKaj: are you for real? how on earth to i play that?
[03:36] <N6REJ> atk is supposed to be greater then 1.0.1 but we have 1.0
[03:36] <hijjt> airmon, songbird uses something different
[03:36] <throllz> *do
[03:36] <N6REJ> fyi xml::parser is a package
[03:36] <hijjt> airmon, it may use gstreamer
[03:37] <N6REJ> philfo: sudo apt-get install libxml-parser-perl
[03:37] <N6REJ> :D
[03:37] <SubOne> Does anyone know how I can setup my wireless to connect to a specific SSID WAP with a static IP and all others with DHCP?
[03:37] <hijjt> airmon, although i haven't used anything but amarok for ages
[03:37] <airmon> I think you're right, as I read through the docs...
[03:37] <throllz> BluesKaj:  I though it would have to be something like mpeg, wma, avi or something like that
[03:37] <BluesKaj> throllz, I thought you meant store for burning
[03:38] <makuseru> intelikey: alright
[03:38] <intelikey> muse - Qt-based midi/audio sequencer
[03:38] <throllz> BluesKaj: whatever ir the best
[03:38] <N6REJ> phil do yo uhave multiverse active?
[03:38] <N6REJ> glib is there.
[03:38] <intelikey> patchage - modular patch bay for Jack audio and Alsa Midi
[03:38] <BluesKaj> throllz, use tovid to rip to dvd mpg
[03:38] <throllz> BluesKaj: I mean DVD aren't forever
[03:38] <yurimxpxman> I read that konqueror can be setup so it displays the contents of CDs as audio files instead of tracks so you can copy and paste to rip them. Do any of you know how to do that?
[03:38] <throllz> BluesKaj: digital storege is forever
[03:39] <philfo> n6rej: multiverse active, no
[03:39] <martalli> SubOne: I think that KNetworkmanager will do that for you - you can create separate entries for each SSID
[03:39] <N6REJ> philfo: but its old too :(
[03:39] <N6REJ> philfo: activate it
[03:39] <N6REJ> both in source and backports
[03:39] <N6REJ> 4 places
[03:39] <BluesKaj> yeah, or you could use acidrip
[03:39] <jarn> I'm trying to resize my external harddrive (which is formatted as ntfs) but gparted will only let me resize it to one size, the amount of space I have taken up.
[03:39] <SubOne> martalli: ok thank you I don't have access to the other WAP right now so i couldnt test it
[03:40] <martalli> SubOne: In my case, I have been using mepis 6.5 and kubuntu 7.04
[03:40] <airmon> I'll work with Amarok for now, and fiddle with songbird later. I can play my music, that's the big thing I was trying to solve.
[03:40] <airmon> Thanks.
[03:40] <throllz> o_O 21:41 < BluesKaj> throllz, use tovid to rip to dvd mpg
[03:40] <martalli> SubOne: If you are using edgy or easrlier, I am not sure it works the same (edgy didn't work with my laptop's wireless)
[03:40] <throllz> 21:41 < BluesKaj> throllz, use tovid to rip to dvd mpg
[03:40] <throllz> 21:41 < BluesKaj> throllz, use tovid to rip to dvd mpg
[03:40] <throllz> 21:41 < BluesKaj> throllz, use tovid to rip to dvd mpg
[03:41] <philfo> would that go: sudo apt-get install multiverse active  ??
[03:41] <throllz> BluesKaj: TOVID is the program?
[03:41] <martalli> throllz: What's the difference between tovid and dvd::rip or acidrip?
[03:41] <SubOne> This one might be a question better suited for the firefox channel, but: Do you know how to get all the contents of the address bar and search bar to auto highlight when I click it (or tab).
[03:41] <martalli> SubOne: type ctrl-k
[03:41] <N6REJ> philfo: no, sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources/sources.list and then add multiverse where you see "universe" at the end.
[03:41] <martalli> I wish there was a key code for that in konq
[03:41] <throllz> martalli: no clue, this is my first time. Trying to make sense of this. Which one got a hot GUI?
[03:42] <N6REJ> philfo: also make sure they are not # out.
[03:42] <BluesKaj> throllz , yes TOVID it is the program
[03:42] <SubOne> martalli: Can I get it to do that on click somehow because on windows if you click the bar it hilites everything
[03:42] <philfo> yikes, i'm behind
[03:42] <throllz> let me chck it ouy
[03:42] <BluesKaj> !tovid | throllz
[03:42] <martalli> ctrl-k will highlight the whole search bar
[03:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tovid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:42] <SubOne> nvm, #firefox gave me the answer ty
[03:43] <martalli> Tovid: http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[03:43] <BluesKaj> throllz , try the #tovid chat
[03:43] <throllz> BluesKaj: thanks a lot :-)
[03:43] <philfo> command not found
[03:44] <Carutsu> scuse me some time ago you told me how to mount a smb shared partition but i cannot write to i\t
[03:44] <Carutsu> how can i write to ir?
[03:44] <Carutsu> jhutchins can you tell me?
[03:44] <philfo> nevermind, my bad
[03:45] <Carutsu> anyone?
[03:45] <andrew__> Does anyone know of a good dvd burning program for files?
[03:45] <Carutsu> k3b?
[03:45] <Carutsu> !k3b
[03:45] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[03:45] <andrew__> graphical will be nice
[03:45] <andrew__> thank you
[03:45] <martalli> Carutsu: That can't possibly be right - SMB partitions should be writeable (if the server allows it)
[03:45] <N6REJ> philfo: hang on, there's a bunch of changes.. update your system, then I'll get back to you.
[03:45] <Carutsu> no problem
[03:45] <Carutsu> martalli i mounted it...
[03:45] <philfo> update my system?
[03:46] <N6REJ> philfo: you make those changes?
[03:46] <SubOne> Where can I find the global key mappings, I forgot where i went and cant find them :p
[03:46] <martalli> maybe...you don't have write priviledges on the server
[03:46] <philfo> I haven't changed anything yet.
[03:46] <philfo> what is it I'm changing?
[03:46] <N6REJ> change the sources lists.
[03:46] <N6REJ> so that multiverse is in there.
[03:47] <N6REJ> then run sudo apt-get update | apt-get upgrade | apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:47] <N6REJ> that will get you current
[03:47] <philfo> wow.
[03:47] <N6REJ> philfo: thats one long command
[03:47] <N6REJ> just c/p
[03:48] <intelikey> N6REJ that wont do much
[03:48] <martalli> Are you sure that the '|' shouldnb't be '&&'?
[03:48] <N6REJ> intelikey: ?
[03:48] <N6REJ> &&?
[03:48] <intelikey> N6REJ the sudo is only affecting the first command...
[03:48] <Carutsu> how do i gain su privilages without restarting konqueror?
[03:48] <the-erm> Anyone here have any experience mounting a SCSI drive?  I looked at the /etc/fstab and there is a UUID.  I was wondering how/where you get the uuid.   Or can you just make one up?
[03:48] <N6REJ> oh DUH!
[03:48] <N6REJ> my bad
[03:48] <martalli> I thnk "sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get"
[03:49] <philfo> konsole is at the /etc/apt/sources/sources.list  now.
[03:49] <Carutsu> how do i gain su privilages without restarting konqueror?
[03:49] <martalli> Wouldn't "sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" be enough?
[03:49] <intelikey> konqueror as root.... tisk tisk...
[03:49] <N6REJ> ok, add the "multiverse" to the end of each line that ends in universe and be sure that the beginning of those lines do not have # in front of them.
[03:49] <philfo> empty looking konsole with some commands at the bottom.
[03:50] <philfo> there are no lines is the problem.
[03:50] <N6REJ> martalli: I honestly don't know
[03:50] <Carutsu> intelikey i think i had readed sp,ething about it
[03:50] <N6REJ> woooh hang on phil
[03:50] <philfo> no worries, thanks for your patience
[03:50] <philfo> with me
[03:50] <intelikey> martalli again like N6REJ your string will only work up to &&   the sudo will drop out and the dist-upgrade can't run as user
[03:50] <N6REJ> exit
[03:50] <N6REJ> my bad
[03:50] <philfo> done.
[03:50] <N6REJ> sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:50] <philfo> konsole is closed.
[03:51] <N6REJ> you went too far LOL
[03:51] <philfo> uh oh
[03:51] <N6REJ> its ok
[03:51] <N6REJ> don't worry this is *nix not windblows
[03:51] <philfo> this is what I get for not knowing any language.
[03:51] <philfo> right
[03:51] <makuseru> Intelikey: any info on what i can do?
[03:51] <N6REJ> just don't type sudo rm -rf /etc and your good to go!
[03:52] <makuseru> Intelikey: oh i didnt see where you said what to download
[03:52] <intelikey> makuseru googling was unproductive on your particular issue.   still looking.
[03:52] <martalli> One rule of thumb,: DON'T "sudo rm..." anything uinless you really think you know what you are doing
[03:52] <N6REJ> intelikey: you the command I miss the most is "push" and "pop"
[03:53] <N6REJ> martalli: amen!  I forgot I was in /etc/ one time and meant to delete something in /home/user and said rm -rf ./
[03:54] <N6REJ> *nix don't reboot well without /etc :P
[03:54] <Carutsu> just for the record i had to open the SMB mounted directory as root and then i was able to modify its content
[03:54] <intelikey> N6REJ konsole    echo "`help push` `help pop`" | less        why miss them
[03:54] <martalli> Carutsu: Did you mount it as root locally, or by using the root account of the server?
[03:54] <Carutsu> locally as root
[03:54] <thumper> I installed beryl on kubuntu feisty, and now I have borderless windows, and no title bars
[03:55] <Carutsu> martialli its a windows system btw
[03:55] <thumper> what am I missing?
[03:55] <martalli> Hmm...I would really like to leanr more about running a smb server for my office
[03:55] <Carutsu> thumper that happened to me once it had crashed, restart it
[03:55] <N6REJ> intelikey: no, push was a command that would store your wd and then no matter where you went when you were ready to get back to it you simply typed "pop" and poof you were back
[03:55] <martalli> thumper: one sec and I will tell you what to do - are you using nvidia?  Same thing happened to me
[03:56] <thumper> martalli: yes
[03:56] <thumper> I also installed beryl-kubuntu and aquamarine
[03:56] <martalli> thumper: You need to type this into konsole: "sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite"
[03:56] <thumper> on top of the basic beryl
[03:57] <thumper> and restart X I guess
[03:57] <martalli> thumper: Comes from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BerylOnFeisty?highlight=%28beryl%29
[03:57] <makuseru> intelikey: thanks alot
[03:57] <Camaxtli> ctrl+alt+backspace for x-restart iirc
[03:58] <martalli> thumper: Yes, maybe just restart the computer, since nvidia is a kernel driver....try ctrl-alt-backspace first if you want
[03:58] <Camaxtli> Martalli: Is the driver a module? If so it might be easier to simply rmmod and modprobe it
[03:59] <Camaxtli> And then restart the x server
[03:59] <martalli> Camaxtli: thumper: Could you try that thumper? I don't know if it would work and I'm curious
[03:59] <thumper> just restarting X make the title bars appear
[04:00] <martalli> Im just a lazy windows refugee, I probably retsart the computer more often than necessary
[04:00] <martalli> thumper: cool
[04:00] <Camaxtli> martalli: If it's a module it should work, it's how I got my wireless working without restarts ;)
[04:00] <thumper> the beryl cube doesn't work very well with the kicker screen selector
[04:00] <Camaxtli> Well, unless it's compiled into the kernel, but that's a different story
[04:01] <airmon> Thanks, I'm outta here.
[04:01] <philfo> ok, starting over...
[04:01] <thumper> thanks
[04:01] <thumper> outa here
[04:01] <Roey> hi all
[04:01] <Roey> Is there an Ubuntu compatability matrix for wifi usb dongles??  thanks
[04:02] <Camaxtli> ndiswrapper?
[04:02] <Camaxtli> If it doesn't work out of the box
[04:03] <Camaxtli> Roey: Read the documentation on WiFi, you'll probably need ndiswrapper or something like that
[04:03] <Roey> eeerg.
[04:03] <Roey> arg.
[04:03] <Roey> I thought this Ubuntu is supposed to Just Work.
[04:03] <Roey> ndiswrapper, eh?
[04:03] <Camaxtli> Wireless is a problem.
[04:03] <Roey> As if I have the Windows drivers even.
[04:03] <martalli> Camaxtli: What are you using?
[04:03] <Camaxtli> Either it works or you have to do a few things to make it work
[04:03] <Roey> Camaxtli:  ok.
[04:04] <martalli> Camaxtli: woops - sorry
[04:04] <Roey> thanks anyway
[04:04] <andrew__> Hi again, does anyone know of a good program for handling RAR files? ARC would not handle it...
[04:04] <Camaxtli> martalli: This laptop is running kubuntu feisty
[04:04] <martalli> Roey: What kind of wireless (or laptop) do you have?
[04:04] <Roey> martalli:  I had this WPG111 dongle from Linksys.
[04:04] <Roey> I had read that it did work 'out of the box' in Kubuntu (Edgy)
[04:05] <Camaxtli> Odd, then it should simply work :/
[04:05] <BluesKaj> andrew , unrar
[04:05] <andrew__> thank you ;)
[04:05] <Roey> i didn't have time to really sit down and do it--I had to catch a flight
[04:05] <Roey> now I'm back though :) and I can afford to spend more time on it.
[04:05] <martalli> Roey: Maybe you should try feisty (at least the livecd)...wireless is even better on feisty
[04:05] <Roey> el-grecco:  heh
[04:05] <Roey> martalli:  I was so hoping that!
[04:05] <intelikey> makuseru you still around ?
[04:05] <Roey> martalli:  right, I seriously lacked a Feisty CD last-last Friday.
[04:05] <Roey> and I knew it.
[04:06] <martalli> lol - the torrent was running flat out later int he evening.  I hadn't seen speeds like that in a long time for a torrent
[04:06] <martalli> (the evening meaning last friday)
[04:06] <makuseru> intelikey: yes
[04:06] <philfo> N6REJ, you still around?
[04:06] <intelikey> makuseru i got the same error message on startup of kguitar,   but; the following line states that it created the secquenser node,   what flavour of ubuntu you got ?
[04:07] <makuseru> Kubuntu Edgy
[04:08] <intelikey> kubuntian it could be a bug in edgy   i don't know.   kapper works.   and if you are not recieving any other error messages in the konsole   i'm at a loss as to what more i can do to help.
[04:08] <el-grecco> Roey:
[04:08] <intelikey> makuseru ^
[04:09] <N6REJ> yep
[04:09] <N6REJ> sorry, wrapped up in my music
[04:09] <makuseru> thanks for the try intelikey
[04:09] <philfo> me too
[04:09] <philfo> so do I replace universe with multiverse?
[04:09] <N6REJ> NO add
[04:09] <sure> en
[04:09] <N6REJ> universe multiverse
[04:10] <philfo> ok
[04:10] <N6REJ> just like that
[04:10] <philfo> thanks
[04:10] <N6REJ> np
[04:10] <intelikey> makuseru it wouldn't really surprise me if they did break something...  maybe it's fixed again in feisty...   at any rate you can ask the developers about it.     i don't work here.  (not officially anyway)
[04:10] <N6REJ> lol yeah right intelikey
[04:11] <makuseru> intelikey:  you should be on the payrole
[04:11] <makuseru> payroll*
[04:11] <N6REJ> I used to be a sysop for M$
[04:11] <intelikey> N6REJ i am in no way assoceated with ubuntu linux or any package/portion or dirivative there of.
[04:11] <N6REJ> left when they went treasonus
[04:11] <N6REJ> intelikey: I hear ya
[04:11] <BluesKaj> N6REJ , i got the websites using windows media for video to play with the gxine plugin
[04:11] <N6REJ> just ras'n ya
[04:12] <N6REJ> cool!
[04:12] <philfo> ok, multiverse has been added after each universe
[04:12] <N6REJ> and there are no # infront of those lines?
[04:12] <BluesKaj> my mplayer is still broken
[04:12] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: is it made by M$?
[04:13] <N6REJ> I hear media player 11 works well :P
[04:13] <BluesKaj> no it's part of the mencoder family
[04:13] <philfo> now there aren't
[04:13] <N6REJ> just out of curiosity why mplayer?  have you tried others?
[04:13] <N6REJ> ok
[04:13] <philfo> and now
[04:14] <BluesKaj> not gonna use wine ... what's thew point of linux if you use wine ?
[04:14] <N6REJ> philfo: now, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:14] <N6REJ> one nice long line
[04:14] <jman> lol
[04:14] <N6REJ> get up and go get a cup of coffee
[04:14] <BluesKaj> well it was the player that used to work on sites embedded with wm video stuff
[04:15] <N6REJ> oh
[04:15] <BluesKaj> the mplayer plugin for FF
[04:15] <philfo> right after that last multiverse?
[04:15] <N6REJ> oh oh oh that mplayer
[04:15] <N6REJ> NO
[04:15] <N6REJ> oh wait
[04:15] <N6REJ> lol
[04:15] <N6REJ> have you typed anything yet?
[04:15] <philfo> nope
[04:15] <N6REJ> ok
[04:15] <N6REJ> control X
[04:15] <N6REJ> then y
[04:15] <N6REJ> then enter
[04:15] <N6REJ> back to $?
[04:16] <intelikey> N6REJ see pm
[04:16] <N6REJ> k
[04:16] <philfo> ok, it's back
[04:17] <philfo> $ that is
[04:17] <philfo> now run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ???
[04:18] <matthew1429> does anyone know where I can nab the text-only installs of ubuntu/kubuntu?
[04:18] <matthew1429> I keep getting x.org crashes when trying to install edgy on my laptop
[04:19] <N6REJ> matthew1429: get the server distro or xubuntu
[04:19] <N6REJ> xubuntu uses XFCE and is very lightweight and actually quite nice.
[04:19] <N6REJ> else get server distro and build as you go
[04:19] <martalli> matthew1429: I think you want the "alternetive install" disk
[04:19] <N6REJ> when you get to the spot where it says "lamp" or "dns" leave both blank
[04:20] <N6REJ> martalli: he's wanting a con only install I think.
[04:20] <SubOne> how do i get the Win key to popup the launch menu?
[04:20] <N6REJ> SubOne: go to system setting and keyboard and then map it.
[04:20] <martalli> N6REJ: I have a p2-400 mhz laptop and honestly kubuntu and xubuntu felt about the same on it (~256 mb memory)
[04:21] <SubOne> but it wont let me map it. it just waits for another key
[04:21] <N6REJ> really?  I've not tried mine yet, though I'm betting ready to.. 192mb K62-383
[04:21] <N6REJ> ?
[04:21] <N6REJ> hmm
[04:21] <N6REJ> there's a program to change your keyboard type... it illudes me this second.
[04:21] <N6REJ> let me look
[04:22] <SubOne> oh i guess you cant use it as a standalone key if its also mapped as a modifier
[04:22] <martalli> I think for truly old hardware, fluxbuntu sounds like a better idea
[04:22] <N6REJ> SubOne: you got it.
[04:22] <N6REJ> martalli: haven't heard of that one.
[04:23] <martalli> http://fluxbuntu.org/
[04:23] <N6REJ> SubOne: there is a kde program that will let you modify your keyboard type.  I don't know if its a native install or if you have to manually tell adept to add it.
[04:23] <martalli> A fluxbox frontend with a ubuntu base
[04:24] <N6REJ> kool
[04:24] <martalli> SubOne: You can do it in the process of a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:25] <martalli> It offers a place where you can type something like altwin:metawin - I don't know exactly, its right there in the interaction, though
[04:25] <martalli> N6REJ: Of all the minimalist window managers, I always liked windowmaker and fluxbox
[04:25] <matthew1429> so the alternate install cd (600 megabytes) should help me get around my x.org crashes when installing ubuntu on my dell inspiron 9400/e1705?
[04:26] <philfo> N6REJ:  the update is done
[04:26] <martalli> matthew1429: Were you able to install it to start with and then its crashing afterwards?
[04:26] <N6REJ> ok, now we can play
[04:26] <philfo> and?
[04:26] <N6REJ> except now its my bed time :(
[04:26] <matthew1429> martalli - I can install dapper through safe graphics mode
[04:26] <matthew1429> edgy is crashing on both
[04:26] <N6REJ> ok, herer's what you need to.
[04:26] <matthew1429> never did install it
[04:26] <Slynderdale> "Dell Refunds Vista/Works With Two Emails" - http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/25/1944209
[04:27] <philfo> dang.  thanks though
[04:27] <martalli> matthew1429: Safe graphics mode is just a standard vesa driver.  Should work in edgy and feisty too.
[04:27] <martalli> matthew1429: Once installed, you need to run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:28] <N6REJ> the files are split between v2.6 and v2.9  Your going to have to look for them.  Check adept first to see if you can find them in the repos.
[04:28] <matthew1429> martalli: for some reason, it still crashes in edgy... it was a successfull loophole in dapper but having all kinds of problems
[04:28] <N6REJ> use firefox and go here .ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.9
[04:28] <martalli> Google your monitor specs, esp the horiz and vert refresh - that;'s probably where your problem is
[04:28] <N6REJ> thats where 90% of the files are.
[04:28] <matthew1429> thats the thing it WONT install martalli, it hangs and says X server couldn't start
[04:28] <N6REJ> the exception to that is atk, that is in 2.6
[04:28] <matthew1429> it cant find my vid card or something
[04:28] <philfo> N6REJ: that's for me?
[04:28] <martalli> matthew1429: Then I would try the alt install disk and go from there
[04:28] <N6REJ> philfo: yes
[04:28] <matthew1429> martalli: okay, thanks
[04:28] <matthew1429> :)
[04:29] <martalli> matthew1429: Or, you could use the dvd install - it has both methods
[04:29] <N6REJ> follow that ladies instructions, they seem clear
[04:29] <matthew1429> yeah, dont have time to wait for that d/l
[04:29] <matthew1429> im hoping feisty upgrades nicely from edgy
[04:29] <philfo> ok, I'll try to get it done.  probably going to be flailing around for another day thoguh
[04:29] <philfo> thanks
[04:30] <N6REJ> I'll be back t/m
[04:30] <N6REJ> after around 10am
[04:30] <N6REJ> its 2130 now
[04:32] <martalli> matthew1429: It worked well for me
[04:32] <laptop> Which is better KDE or GNOME?
[04:32] <laptop> for ubuntu?
[04:32] <martalli> other people have complained
[04:32] <N6REJ> lol
[04:32] <N6REJ> k
[04:33] <BluesKaj> ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is KDE
[04:33] <martalli> laptop: lol - you're asking a biased group...maybe you should pose that to the #fluxbox channel
[04:33] <laptop> yeah dont they both offer the exact same functionality?
[04:33] <laptop> just differernt GUI?
[04:33] <Slynderdale> Yeap
[04:34] <martalli> laptop: pretty much...but it isn't only that one has trhe menu on the top, the other on the bottom
[04:34] <N6REJ> ok, kind folks, nighty nite for me.
[04:34] <laptop> lol
[04:34] <laptop> (which you can move around, correct?)
[04:34] <N6REJ> what gui are youused to laptop?
[04:34] <BluesKaj> borisyeltsin , defected to canucksville :)
[04:34] <martalli> My four year old wants his edubuntu comp to be like mine (kubuntu), so he is contatntly dragging his menu bar to the bottom
[04:35] <N6REJ> lol
[04:35] <laptop> N6REJ:  I tried both....I like Gnome better, but Before I get stuck on it, wanted to ask
[04:35] <N6REJ> thats cute
[04:35] <billytwowilly> actually, that's my irc client at school.
[04:36] <BluesKaj> well laptop, in that case YOU"RE IN THE WRONG ROOM!
[04:36] <N6REJ> look at the apps you want to run and make your decision based on that.  deciding based on the window is like buying a car cause its pretty.  But what you really needed was a truck!
[04:36] <laptop> no Im not
[04:36] <laptop> Im asking an opinion.
[04:36] <eigentard> is there any way to get HL2 running in kubuntu?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> this is KDE chat
[04:36] <laptop> You guys know KDE, so your opinion is valuable.
[04:36] <eigentard> without wine or anything?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> or support ....or help or....
[04:36] <martalli> The two year old drags every desktop icon into the toolbars and makes a mess of it...at least the mac has a desktop parental control that keeps the kiddies from movies icons all over the place. They shoudl incorporate that into edubuntu
[04:37] <martalli> laptop: I have used both, and I truly prefer KDE.
[04:37] <laptop> Or some sort of lock on icons
[04:37] <N6REJ> martalli: I think you can with the system settings.
[04:37] <eigentard> martalli: why not just setup an account for the kid, password yours, and log out after you're done?
[04:37] <laptop> martalli:  okay, why?
[04:37] <martalli> I think gnome typically offers fewer options to epeople, which is nice in office settings.  KDE offers more upfront tweaking
[04:37] <N6REJ> kde is more mmmmmm gadgety?
[04:38] <eigentard> how does gnome differ from KDE?  I've only ever used Sabayon and Kubuntu
[04:38] <martalli> eigentard: The computer is only his.  He can';t mess up much except his own files, since he doesn't know sudo
[04:38] <eigentard> well teach him sudo and let him mess up his computer
[04:38] <eigentard> He'll learn more that way
[04:38] <N6REJ> how is mac osx diff then kde?  same sort of question
[04:39] <martalli> lol - so much is similar, even between win/macos/and kde
[04:39] <N6REJ> yep
[04:39] <N6REJ> I was shocked
[04:39] <eigentard> If I hadn't spent so much time tinkering around with the hardware / OS of my computer when I was a pre-teen... well then I'd probably not be half the person I am today :X
[04:39] <eigentard> yah
[04:39] <philfo> what am I to do with those files at the .ftp?
[04:39] <N6REJ> save them
[04:40] <N6REJ> then follow the directions
[04:40] <martalli> Sometimes, I think that the differences come down tot he software that you wanmt to use - if you are using mostly qt programs vs. gtk program (although both can run progs from the other side withthe right libraries installed
[04:40] <philfo> the whole directory?
[04:40] <N6REJ> NO!
[04:40] <prophet> how do you reset the menues fro Konquror
[04:40] <N6REJ> ok, let me explain, you see how she has v2.6/blah for each file?
[04:40] <laptop> If I dont like GNOME or KDE what else is there?
[04:40] <BluesKaj> kcontrol or kedit
[04:41] <martalli> eigentard: For myt pre-teen years, there was the vic20 lol
[04:41] <N6REJ> laptop tons!
[04:41] <N6REJ> and kde has several flavors also
[04:41] <martalli> laptop: xfce, windowmaker, fluxbox, and it goes on and on
[04:41] <N6REJ> laptop, first figure out what you want to use on your pc then get the desktop that runs those apps the best.
[04:42] <prophet> how do you reset the menues fro Konquror??
[04:42] <N6REJ> martalli: don't leave out mac osx :P
[04:42] <martalli> laptop: one of my favorite stripper distros is puppy...it runs jwm iirc
[04:42] <N6REJ> martalli: DSL!
[04:42] <philfo> well, 2.9, but yes.
[04:42] <BluesKaj> N6REJ , lots of ppl run a mix of gnome based and kde based programs
[04:43] <martalli> N6REJ: An imac is going to be my next computer.  I decided that if i really want a proprietary os for stuff (videos of the kids, actually), then a mac would be better than windows), and it runs linux to boot (pun intended lol)
[04:43] <N6REJ> ok, then you go there and she says, "gz" but theydon't have .gz files anymore so get the .bz2's
[04:43] <philfo> then just save the .bz2's?
[04:43] <prophet> anyone?
[04:44] <martalli> prophet: Im not sure what you mean?
[04:44] <N6REJ> martalli: I got a b/w g3 - 500 with 1G ram 40G HD and DVD drive given to me :D  So it has osX 10.3.9 ( panther ) on it.  I'm half toying with switching my desktop to osx just to get used to it.
[04:44] <prophet> in Konqueror the "file edit view windows" menues are gone, i dont know howt to bring them back
[04:44] <N6REJ> philfo: yes!, use those whenever she says .gz
[04:44] <martalli> prophet: wierd - you aren't running beryl or somesuch are you?
[04:44] <N6REJ> philfo: if I remember right the command to unpack a .bz is diff then a .gz though so ask hin here when you get that far.
[04:45] <prophet> no, i took them off by accident cant u reset the UI some how?
[04:45] <N6REJ> prophet: easy. you can make them stay there if you like.
[04:45] <prophet> how do i bring them back
[04:45] <ffffu> hi i need help on the openoffice in edgy.. why spell check says check done but doesn't detect any spelling error? did i forget some package? i've installed 3 edgy, all is the same
[04:45] <martalli> prophet: type ctrl-m
[04:45] <prophet> i only have the TABS section only
[04:45] <N6REJ> nm LOL
[04:45] <prophet> thnx
[04:46] <philfo> wish me luck.
[04:46] <eigentard> man.. I need a new hard drive
[04:46] <N6REJ> there's pleny of folks here that will help you.
[04:46] <eigentard> how long is a 13gb root partition going to suffice?
[04:46] <N6REJ> in *nix?  A LONG TIME.
[04:46] <martalli> prophet: Of course, I could only find that by looking in the menus lol
[04:46] <eigentard> i'm dual-booting with windows xp so most of the rest of my harddrive space is media
[04:46] <Jucato> prophet: it's not really there by default on Kubuntu
[04:46] <eigentard> N6REJ: seriously? cool
[04:47] <N6REJ> eigentard: you can install *nix in less then 500k if necessary.  All the rest is fluff
[04:47] <eigentard> like I really can't think of any programs that I need for linux beside what's come already (and xmms etc)
[04:47] <martalli> eigentard: That's plenty large for most things...however, I had a 6-10 gb root partition and things were tight for the edgy->feisty upgrade
[04:47] <Jucato> prophet: http://jucato.org/kde/konq-profiles.html (just follows steps 1 and 2, no need for 3 unless you want it)
[04:47] <eigentard> feisty?
[04:47] <eigentard> i'm running edgy right now
[04:47] <eigentard> what's feisty?
[04:47] <Jucato> !feisty | eigentard
[04:47] <ubotu> eigentard: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[04:47] <comodo> is feisty already released?
[04:47] <martalli> eigentard: With tens of thousadns of programs in the repositories, you might fin yourself downloading gobs of programs
[04:48] <laptop> HOW easy is it to install KDE and GNOME on the same machine and just switch between them, is it hard to manage????
[04:48] <eigentard> ah cool
[04:48] <N6REJ> 13g will last you a long time as long as you don't try things like tons of heavy games or videos.
[04:48] <eigentard> I'll wait 'til it's released officially to upgrade
[04:48] <eigentard> why does it take so much more space?
[04:48] <eigentard> N6REJ: I've got XP for games
[04:48] <N6REJ> laptop: no, its very simple
[04:48] <eigentard> although it's annoying to switch back and forth
[04:48] <eigentard> haha
[04:48] <laptop> Feisty is easily more stable than 6.10 imo
[04:48] <Jucato> laptop: it's easy. except that you'll have twice as much apps in your menys
[04:48] <N6REJ> eigentard: then your set maybe for life.
[04:48] <laptop> hrm
[04:48] <prophet> im missing the address bar now :()
[04:48] <eigentard> cool
[04:48] <eigentard> I just installed kubuntu two weeks ago and already there's a new one :X
[04:48] <martalli> eigentard: The problem is that 5gb of programs is being replaced by another 5gb, coming down in debs, and then you need space for the unpacking and whatnot
[04:49] <eigentard> ah yah
[04:49] <eigentard> well can it unpack into space NTFS space?
[04:49] <N6REJ> yep
[04:49] <N6REJ> no!
[04:49] <comodo> what dos feisty have to offer that 6.10 dont
[04:49] <N6REJ> but you can shrink the ntfs space :D
[04:49] <laptop> look it up big change list
[04:49] <martalli> No need to really upgrade to feisty unless you are having trouble with your laptop's wioreless (me =)
[04:49] <eigentard> haha I can't without formatting lots of stuff I don't want to format :P
[04:49] <martalli> eigentard: not a good idea..infact edgy can't write to ntfs
[04:49] <eigentard> ah it can't?
[04:49] <philfo> do these files need to be saved anywhere in particular?
[04:50] <eigentard> it can read it though it seems
[04:50] <eigentard> I can play movies and music off my NTFS partitions through XMMS/Kaffeine/etc
[04:50] <martalli> eigentard: read, not write
[04:50] <eigentard> cool
[04:50] <N6REJ> eigentard: do a safe mode defrag and then let *nix move the part
[04:50] <martalli> eigentard: there is a package , ntfs-3g or something like that that purports to be able to read and write ntfs
[04:50] <N6REJ> oh, and turn off all swap first LOL
[04:51] <N6REJ> alright, I'm really off to bed LOL
[04:51] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g | eigentard
[04:51] <ubotu> eigentard: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:52] <ffffu> hi i need help on the openoffice in edgy.. why spell check says check done but doesn't detect any spelling error? did i forget some package? i've installed 3 edgy, all is the same
[04:53] <martalli> ffffu: Maybe you're a good speller
[04:53] <martalli> or you added a mispelling
[04:54] <daskreech2> Jucato: saw the kubuntu mini review?
[04:54] <matthew1429> how do I find out the model of my dvd burner through linux???
[04:54] <daskreech2> http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/tux-love/2007/03/hidden_linux_cures_for_kde_bor.html
[04:54] <prophet> linux is hard.
[04:54] <Jucato> daskreech2: not yet. checking now
[04:55] <martalli> lol X just crashed outright!  Maybe y'all ought to hold off on the feisty-beryl combo just yet
[04:56] <martalli> It was like the power went our for asec , and then x restarted like I had pressed strl=alt-backpasce
[04:57] <daskreech2> prophet: you are very late ;-0
[04:57] <ryanakca> how do I reset /etc/motd to default?
[04:57] <daskreech2> Jucato: kiwwi wouldn't be happy
[04:58] <Jucato> daskreech2: well, art is a very subjective area.
[04:58] <daskreech2> :-)
[04:58] <daskreech2> doesn't mean that he would be happy
[04:59] <Jucato> daskreech2: that said, the article is poorly titled, imho
[04:59] <Jucato> daskreech2: I didn't say he wouldn't be unhappy about it :)
[04:59] <daskreech2> :-)
[04:59] <ryanakca> daskreech2: Jucato: ouch, that's... harsh?
[04:59] <daskreech2> yeah
[05:00] <Jucato> ryanakca: very. but the author just seems to be "building on" an anti-KDE atmosphere just to get his point across, which isn't really anti-KDE... sort of like just trying to market his article by using a provoking article
[05:00] <martalli> I think I know what happened...I was installing wine with adept when the whole thing went down
[05:00] <Jucato> (anyway, getting OT :P)
[05:01] <ryanakca> yeah
[05:01] <ffffu> i've explicitly misspell something of course
[05:02] <ffffu> anybody have problem with spell check after fresh installation or is it just me
[05:03] <daskreech2> I love his reason for having multiple desktops
[05:03] <daskreech2> so that he can view his desktop without having to click the desktop button
[05:03] <martalli> Well, I tried it on openoffice (fresh feisty install) and it caught chi (was suppposed to be is) but missed fo4r
[05:04] <martalli> I was typing "Now is the time for all good ment to come to the aid of their country."  My mom loved to type that out on typewriters back in the day (to test them out i guess)
[05:05] <ffffu> if u type adfasdflkj or installaioon , does it detect?
[05:07] <martalli> It wanted to change it to: "if u type steadfast or installation , does it detect?"
[05:07] <Jucato> ffffu: do you have a dictionary installed? aspell or ispell?
[05:07] <martalli> I don't knwo how it got steadfast from adfasdflkj - I think that is a bug myself
[05:07] <martalli> What program are you using? OOo?
[05:07] <voorhees86> how i restart the kde ?
[05:08] <Jucato> voorhees86: restart KDE? logout and log back in
[05:08] <martalli> voorhees86: ctrl-alt-backspace will restart X
[05:09] <daskreech2> voorhees86: if going that route save anything you have open
[05:13] <ffffu> aspell? how do i know
[05:14] <philfo> wow this is amazingly frustrating.
[05:15] <daskreech2> hmm?
[05:16] <ffffu> i had aspell
[05:16] <ffffu> but openoffice use that?
[05:19] <martalli> ffffu, i would think that the ooo package would specifiy its own dependencies
[05:22] <daskreech2> philfo: what's frustrating
[05:24] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[05:26] <aaron_> ok I am at a loss here
[05:26] <ffffu> sigh.. i don't know what to ask but my openoffice just don't detect anything.. checked the options under language aid, english US is ticked
[05:26] <aaron_> Ive got kubuntu and the mouse has a ridiculously high latency in quake 3
[05:28] <aaron_> does anyone have something that will solve my day long plight
[05:29] <daskreech2> ffffu: yeah i moved to kofficwe
[05:29] <daskreech2> office
[05:34] <fignew> daskreech2: how is koffice treating you?
[05:34] <daskreech2> It's not great but its exciting
[05:35] <daskreech2> you will in time
[05:35] <fignew> does kubuntu handle defaults fine?
[05:35] <daskreech2> what do you use it for?
[05:35] <daskreech2> DEfaults?
[05:35] <fignew> so.. say I install koffice, will it open in koffice (even if OOO is installed?)
[05:36] <fignew> daskreech2: school work
[05:36] <ffffu> koffice?
[05:37] <fignew> ffffu: ?
[05:37] <daskreech2> oh right
[05:37] <daskreech2> yeah I think so
[05:37] <daskreech2> I removed Openoffice
[05:37] <daskreech2> but yeah you can switch it to open with Koffice pretty easy
[05:38] <ffffu> daskreech2: if u draw lines and shapes with koffice, will there be problem for microsoft user to open?
[05:39] <daskreech2> Depends on if you use flake or not
[05:39] <ffffu> i mean, will the arrangement of the lines
[05:39] <daskreech2>  it has a good exporterto Microsoft formats
[05:39] <martalli> I think ooo beats koffice, but then we have amixed environment at my office (linux and windows)
[05:39] <daskreech2> but YMMV
[05:40] <Ash-Fox> I think Microsoft Office 2007 beats other office suits in terms of the UO :/
[05:40] <Ash-Fox> err UI
[05:40] <Ash-Fox> Additionally, the spell checker, grammer checker, the helpfulness of the UI that's able to determine when you're continuing to number sections etc.
[05:41] <martalli> Ash-Fox, I don't know anything about it - its about $500 over my price range.  For 100% of what we do at my office, ooo is all we need
[05:41] <martalli> Ash-Fox, but ms office certainly does have a lot more features (and some very nice stuff) over ooo and koffice
[05:42] <martalli> Most of the small businesses I know are wasting their money on ms office, though
[05:42] <Ash-Fox> I have to say, before office 2007, I didn't really want to use Microsoft Office
[05:42] <ffffu> i think i going to reinstall my ooo
[05:42] <KaoticEvil> 2003 is better than 2007
[05:42] <Ash-Fox> But with the ribbon interface, it's somewhat, a lot nicer.
[05:42] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, I disagree.
[05:43] <KaoticEvil> i dont like the way so many menu commands that i use all the time are hidden
[05:43] <Ash-Fox> 2003 was horribly bug ridden when it first came out, the interface wasn't as nicely polished and it suffered numerous UI design issues
[05:43] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, then add the button you want via customize?
[05:43] <KaoticEvil> i shouldnt have to tho
[05:43] <KaoticEvil> the commands i need are common.
[05:43] <Ash-Fox> I don't have to. I have no idea why you need to.
[05:43] <KaoticEvil> they shouldnt be hidden
[05:44] <Ash-Fox> For example?
[05:45] <martalli> Jucato, I think so.
[05:45] <KaoticEvil> lol
[05:45] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, I'd join a offtopic channel, but I can't join anymore channels ;)
[05:45] <KaoticEvil> back later
[05:45] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: heh :P
[05:45] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: ask for an exception from #freenode
[05:45] <Ash-Fox> I'd ask, but I can't join :P
[05:46] <martalli> Ash-Fox, How many channels is that?
[05:46] <ffffu> can anyone tell me /usr/share/myspell/dicts fiels should be root or user ownership?
[05:46] <Ash-Fox> I'm on 20 channels on this network.
[05:46] <Jucato> freenode has a 20-channel limit
[05:46] <martalli> ffffu, I think everything in /usr shoudl be root's
[05:46] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: if you ask for an exception, you can join more than 20 channels
[05:46] <SilentDis> hello :)
[05:47] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, I don't think there is a exception for channels available.
[05:47] <pollyo> Does Kubuntu automatically mount DVD's?
[05:47] <martalli> Ash-Fox, as long as you're at it, can you put logs for all of freenode up on the web for us? lol
[05:47] <daskreech2> should
[05:47] <Ash-Fox> The only way I know of getting around channel limits is by having a o-line.
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: does for me
[05:47] <KaoticEvil> how many channels are you in?
[05:47] <daskreech2> DAng it lost again :-(
[05:47] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: there is. that's why I said you can ask for an exception
[05:48] <martalli> I am personally having problems with feisty - kaffeine complains that it does not have the proper plugin - I went to the trouble of installing libdvdcss, but it still doesn't work.  Only trustyu ole vlc plays my dvds
[05:48] <KaoticEvil> Ash-Fox: how many channels are you in?
[05:48] <SilentDis> question:  i'm burning a copy of Kubuntu 6.10 DVD for a friend (yay another convert!), and he's interested in using it multilingually (spanish/english).  while I'm not a multilingual user myself, is the act of selecting the translation trivial, or is it complicated?
[05:48] <Jucato> KaoticEvil: 20
[05:48] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, 20.
[05:48] <Jucato>  <Ash-Fox> I'm on 20 channels on this network.
[05:48] <KaoticEvil> O_O
[05:48] <eigentard> why?
[05:49] <KaoticEvil> Jucato: i left before he posted that ;)
[05:49] <billy_> is there a quick way to play a DVD in kubuntu? (family is waiting)
[05:49] <SilentDis> !dvd | billy_
[05:49] <eigentard> you can't possibly read all of them unless all but 3 or 4 are actually active
[05:49] <ubotu> billy_: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:49] <ffffu> can anyone tell me what's on your openoffice --> tools-->option-->langujage-->writing aid ?
[05:49] <SilentDis> billy_: basically, install libdvdcss2, run the script, and kaffene will play without issue :)
[05:49] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, as usual, I get forwarded to #freenode-social :P
[05:49] <ffffu> i'm going crazy without spell check
[05:50] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: ah my bad, you'll probably have to PM staff :/
[05:50] <martalli> bill_k, You can also use the medibuntu repos (http://medibuntu.org/repository.php)
[05:50] <billy_> thanks, hope that works silentdis
[05:50] <martalli> If you are using feisty, you might need to install vlc for the moment
[05:50] <SilentDis> billy_: it does.  it's pretty simple... feisty fawn makes it even easier apparently.
[05:50] <KaoticEvil> martalli: whys that?
[05:51] <billy_> nope, nogo libdvdcss2 package is not available
[05:51] <billy_> says it is referred to by another package
[05:51] <martalli> billy_, try the medibuntu repos.  how to at http://medibuntu.org/repository.php
[05:51] <billy_> so i don't think i mispelled it
[05:51] <SilentDis> billy_: you have to enable the seveas repo.
[05:51] <SilentDis> !seveas | billy_
[05:51] <ubotu> billy_: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:51] <bill_k> martalli: billy_, not me, right?
[05:51] <martalli> KaoticEvil, kaffeine says "plugin not installed".  even afer installing libdvdcss
[05:52] <martalli> bill_k, yeah, right, sorry.  Still figuring out autocompletion with xchat
[05:52] <KaoticEvil> martalli: hmm.. that kinda sucks lol.. i prefer VLC over kaffiene anyway :)
[05:52] <martalli> KaoticEvil, I probably just have to tell kaffeine where the libdvdcss liubs are hiding
[05:53] <billy_> how do i enable that repository?
[05:53] <martalli> KaoticEvil, well, except that kubuntu is in love with kaffeine and wants to open everything with it lol
[05:53] <daskreech2> billy_: did you eanble multiverse?
[05:53] <billy_> is this quick? if its complicated i'll just reboot into windows XP
[05:53] <martalli> billy_ read the howto - but only add medibuntu if it can't be done otherwise
[05:53] <billy_> i was just wondering if there was a quick easy answer
[05:53] <daskreech2> Depends on if you unsedrstand repos
[05:53] <ffffu> can anyone check locale is their LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ??????
[05:54] <martalli> billy_ just reboot into windows and ask us after the kids are asleep lol
[05:54] <daskreech2> If you have no idea what I'm talking about reboot and come back ehre after the DVD
[05:54] <daskreech2> here
[05:54] <KaoticEvil> martalli: i just changed assosications ;)
[05:54] <SilentDis> billy_: check that link ubotu sent you about the seveas repo.  it's really fast, just add a single line to the bottom of your /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[05:54] <billy_> ok thanks for your help all, i'll figure this out later :)
[05:56] <bill_k> martalli: no problem.
[05:56] <gita> fhfj
[05:56] <gita> khh
[05:56] <SilentDis> gita: yes, the home row of your keyboard works :D
[05:58] <martalli> billy_, no problem
[06:01] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with an 80-wire ide cable and what is the difference between that and a standard ide cable?
[06:02] <MuJ> pollyo: other than it's more work to make it rounded? =P
[06:02] <SilentDis> MuJ: lol
[06:02] <SilentDis> pollyo: the 80-wire cable is used for 'high speed' ATA drives, faster data rates.
[06:03] <pollyo> SilentDis: Is an ATA drive a type of IDE?
[06:04] <martalli> yes, "ide" drives are parallel ata
[06:05] <martalli> as opposed to serial ata (or sata drivers)
[06:05] <SilentDis> pollyo: yes. it's the 'last gen' tech.  the newer machines run on SATA (serial ATA).  IDE used to be a 40-wire ribbon, and was the standard for around a decade.  it had an improvement, thus the 80-pin ribbon.  most 'puters now offer SATA connections.  tiny little cable, iirc.
[06:05] <SilentDis> pollyo: there's also SCSI, but that's a can of worms to open up.  lotsa complicated stuff in that, and very long explinations hehe :)
[06:05] <martalli> the sata cables would be an improvement for system building and small size just for that reason, but they also hap[pen to be faster
[06:07] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, apparently they cannot currently set me up above 20 channels :P
[06:07] <MuJ> only thing that makes my older computer run really slow is the ancient ide-drives >:|
[06:07] <crackhead_25> anyone know how to copy files from a host kubuntu machine to a vmware guest os (win xp) system on that machine??
[06:08] <SilentDis> MuJ: hey, i'm still running IDE drives... well... that and SCSI.  i need a new 'puter :P
[06:08] <MuJ> and by old I don't mean really old.. it's 2GHz athlon :P
[06:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[06:08] <MuJ> but the drives really makes a difference
[06:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Is it allowed to ask about Feisty, or is there a seperate channel again?
[06:08] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: if you've got network support setup, you can 'share' on the kubuntu hose environment using samba, and connect to it from the winxp guest environment
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> yeah, they do
[06:09] <daskreech2> MilhousePunkRock: #ubuntu+1
[06:09] <daskreech2> unless it's about the upgrade to feisty
[06:09] <pollyo> I see these 80 wire cables are still 40 pin connections.  They simply use thinner wires and shield them more,
[06:09] <daskreech2>  then we can handle it
[06:09] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: barring that... you MIGHT be able to mount the vmware disk in linux... but i'm not sure how to do that, personally.  sorry.
[06:09] <SilentDis> pollyo: yep, 2 wires per pin :)
[06:09] <intelikey> pollyo ?
[06:10] <pollyo> intelikey: Hello
[06:10] <intelikey> SilentDis what kind of cable you talking about ?
[06:10] <pollyo> I think I need an 80wire ide cable for my dvd burner.
[06:10] <intelikey> my 80 pin 80 wire scsi cable doesn't match that,  so i was just wondering
[06:11] <MuJ> crackhead_25: if you set up networking for the virtual machines you can also just right click on the virtual machine name -> settings -> shared folders and those folders will show up in windows network
[06:11] <pollyo> intelkey: We were discussing 80wire (40 pin) ide cables.
[06:11] <intelikey> ide   hmmm   ok.
[06:12] <pollyo> intelikey: They are for faster drives.
[06:13] <ffffu> how do i remove openoffice completely
[06:13] <intelikey> yeah.
[06:13] <ffffu> remove from /usr/bin/openoffice ? or is there a script to uninstall
[06:13] <SilentDis> intelikey: yes.  I was refering to IDE.
[06:13] <intelikey> ffffu apt-get remove -P openoffice*
[06:13] <pollyo> ffffu: Doesn't adept have a remove option?
[06:13] <Ash-Fox> Yes.
[06:13] <SilentDis> ffffu: sudo aptitude remove -p openoffice*
[06:13] <ffffu> oh! ok
[06:14] <MuJ> does apt-get support *? O_o
[06:14] <SilentDis> intelikey: darn you!  lol
[06:14] <intelikey> MuJ yes it do
[06:14] <hitmanWilly> MuJ: yes
[06:14] <ffffu> thx. i'm going to try installing openoffice again................because of the spellcheck
[06:14] <MuJ> cool.. didn't know that :)
[06:14] <SilentDis> MuJ: whatever you do, don't sudo aptitude install k*
[06:14] <SilentDis> lol
[06:14] <MuJ> :P
[06:14] <intelikey> MuJ use with caution   it doesn't default to matching only in the package name.
[06:15] <ffffu> sometimes when i apt-get remove xxx , and when i install again, it seems like it install very fast without downloading
[06:15] <ffffu> how do i remove the actual source or something/?
[06:15] <MuJ> if it understands * it understands other regular expressions I presume
[06:15] <intelikey> SilentDis aptitude borked my dpkg... i don't use it no mo
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> fffu: you can do it through synaptic
[06:15] <SilentDis> ffffu: there are .debs stored in /var/cache/apt/archives.  the -P option should purge those as well
[06:16] <pollyo> Are the cable connections for sata drives smaller then the idea connections/
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: majorly
[06:16] <SilentDis> intelikey: really?  O.o  never herd of such a problem.  i tend to use aptitude rather than apt-get, as it's dependancy handling is better
[06:16] <intelikey> ffffu the dl'd packages are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/  apt-get clean will purge that dir.
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: they're about the size of usb connection
[06:17] <intelikey> SilentDis hehhe it was dependancy handling that messed things up.... lol
[06:17] <pollyo> OK.  Do they hvae somthing that is between an IDE and a SATA connection?
[06:17] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: not that i know of
[06:17] <intelikey> SilentDis it seems to work for installs ok but don't do major removals with it.
[06:17] <SilentDis> intelikey: ok, good to know, thanks :)
[06:18] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I have a Dell E510 and I thought that the connection on the hard drives were smaller then a 40 pin IDE but they do not look like USB size connections.
[06:18] <intelikey> or should i say "be warned it may do for you what it did for me"   you can use it if you want.  i didn't mean to sound like i could/would tell you what to do...
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: about how big?
[06:19] <SilentDis> intelikey: as always, !worksforme :)
[06:19] <intelikey> jap
[06:19] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: Good question.  It is in tha basement.
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: usb was just a ballpark
[06:19] <kubuntu_> hi man
[06:19] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I thought they looked about 3/4 the size of the ide cable.
[06:20] <intelikey> pollyo there is a mid grade scsi 60 pin cable
[06:20] <kubuntu_> kahejh
[06:20] <SilentDis> !hi | kubuntu_
[06:20] <ubotu> kubuntu_: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[06:20] <kubuntu_> hi to
[06:20] <intelikey> or 64 or what ever it was
[06:20] <pollyo> What is EIDE or something like that?
[06:20] <pollyo> Are they the same size as the 40 pin IDE?
[06:20] <kubuntu_> what you do
[06:20] <SilentDis> pollyo: that's an 80-wire 40-pin ribbon cable
[06:20] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: yes
[06:20] <kubuntu_> hi
[06:20] <intelikey> eide = extended ide   same hardware appearance
[06:20] <pollyo> Oh...
[06:21] <kubuntu_> wat
[06:21] <pollyo> Be right back... Now I have to go look at the dell.
[06:21] <kubuntu_> wat
[06:21] <intelikey> !help
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> well, i should be cursing dell, but they're off my hit list for a while
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[06:22] <intelikey> !topic
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[06:22] <kubuntu_> wat you do
[06:23] <intelikey> kubuntu_   see the topic  ^
[06:23] <SilentDis> kubuntu_: can you be a bit more vague?  this is the Kubuntu chatroom, for help using/installing/upgrading Kubuntu (kde flavor of ubuntu)
[06:23] <kubuntu_> i dont now
[06:24] <intelikey> * Indonesia *
[06:25] <kubuntu_> yes indonesia
[06:26] <kubuntu_> hi who are you
[06:26] <pollyo> It is a USB size cable.
[06:26] <co_jbr> tes
[06:27] <pollyo> I was looking at some type of diagnostic cable that was on the motherboard.
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: probably sata then
[06:27] <intelikey> usb ?  15 pin or 9 pin ?
[06:27] <kubuntu_> what are you
[06:27] <kubuntu_> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[06:27] <co_jbr> boleh gabung gak?
[06:27] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: Can you tell SATA from would it be SATA2 or something?
[06:27] <kubuntu_> hello.........................!
[06:27] <kubuntu_> jfdsoprkr0
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: as far as i know sata is just sata
[06:28] <SilentDis> kubuntu_: do you have a question about kubuntu we can help you with?
[06:28] <pollyo> Anyone know where I could find a drive on the cheap?  New and good?  I fear the local best buy is going to be over priced.
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: newegg's pretty good
[06:29] <SilentDis> pollyo: ordering via the net is usually a lot cheaper.  http://www.pricewatch.com/ :)
[06:29] <pollyo> I'll check them both out.
[06:29] <pollyo> Thanks.
[06:29] <kubuntu_> thanks to ooooooooooo
[06:29] <pollyo> I can't wait to get kubuntu on my Dell.  It should work much smother.
[06:29] <SilentDis> pollyo: what kind of specs on that machine?
[06:30] <pollyo> SilentDis: Good question it is a Dell Dimension 510
[06:30] <pollyo> SilentDis: I should be able to tell you more in a min.  I just rebooted it when I went downstairs.  I'll log in accross the network.
[06:31] <SilentDis> pollyo: P4 3ghz or so?  512-1gb ram it looks like.  should run k/ubuntu nicely :)
[06:31] <pollyo> I have 1 gig ram in it.
[06:31] <kubuntu_> vfdafgrgbdgh
[06:31] <pollyo> I was thinking of bumping it up 1 more gig.
[06:32] <Daisuke_Ido> newegg for hardware, in my experience
[06:32] <pollyo> OR getting another video card.  I am curious to see beryl.
[06:32] <SilentDis> pollyo: i'm running 1.25gb right now, personally.  i'd love to throw more in there, but i can't justify any more upgrades for this machine.  just time for a new one :)
[06:32] <SilentDis> pollyo: beryl is VERY pretty :)
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: i run on a 2.3 ghz AMD w/1 gig and kubuntu runs like lightning
[06:33] <Daisuke_Ido> vista visuals - hardware vampirism = beryl
[06:33] <pollyo> SilentDis: I understand.  I was looking at a computer that a friend wanted to upgrade and couldn't understand why he just didn't sell it and purchase something new.
[06:33] <intelikey> ram   heh
[06:33] <intelikey> Mem usage: 52/249 MB (20%)  <--- kde is running.
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> what version though?
[06:34] <pollyo> Do they have a ubuntu that will allow you to boot into either kde or gnome?  I saw that on a debian installation not long ago.
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> nah, beryl's got even better effects than vista
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> pollyo: just install ubuntu-desktop
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> (if you're using ku, install kubuntu-desktop if using gnome already)
[06:34] <pollyo> Daisuke_ldo: Will that add an option when you go to login asking for KDE or Gnome?
[06:34] <intelikey> pollyo install gnome ando or kde which ever you don't have
[06:35] <intelikey> yes
[06:35] <SilentDis> pollyo: AMD Athlon XP 1900+ (1.6ghz), 1.25gb ram, 350gb drive space, external storage to bring it up over a terabyte, Nvidia 7600GS w/ 256mb ram.  problem is, i'm 2 steps behind on all the tech, IDE drives, PC2100 ram, USB1.1, AGP video, etc.  lol
[06:35] <intelikey> it will add the option.
[06:35] <pollyo> I didn't realize that.
[06:35] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: should be in the sessions option at login
[06:35] <Daisuke_Ido> pollyo: it's under "session type"
[06:35] <Daisuke_Ido> just choose your poison
[06:35] <intelikey> pyzen
[06:35] <pollyo> Does it also add the programs that are installed to the menu choices?
[06:36] <intelikey> yes
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: i have kde, gnome, enlightenment, wm, fluxbox, twm all as options
[06:36] <stanislav> i need some help :(
[06:36] <pollyo> I'll have to look into that more when I get the other computer setup.
[06:36] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: WOW
[06:36] <SilentDis> stanislav: that's why we're here.  ask away :)
[06:36] <intelikey> and as for the finnal Q yes you can run the kde apps in gnome and verse vissa
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: im fickle
[06:36] <pollyo> intelikey: OK. Great.
[06:37] <pollyo> It appears the biggest thing holding Linux back right now is driver support.
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> still better than vista
[06:37] <intelikey> pollyo linux supports more hardware than any other os in the world
[06:37] <pollyo> I have a deal breaker because I can not get a driver for my uncles Lexmark X6170 all-in-one.
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: lexmark nix support SUCKS!!
[06:38] <pollyo> Lexmark has some type of linux driver development kit but no drivers for the printers. (few)
[06:38] <SilentDis> pollyo: ouch.  yeah, from what I hear, lexmarks are really hit-or-miss.  best bets are HP from my understanding.
[06:38] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I read that everywhere though they claim to have some type of development kit for linux.
[06:39] <MuJ> it's not long ago my scanner got supported :)
[06:39] <pollyo> I have an HP but it is a 710C it isn't quite standard.  It works but the image quality takes a hit.
[06:39] <pollyo> The windows drivers are so much better.
[06:39] <SilentDis> MuJ: hehe.  i got one of those Microsoft fingerprint readers as a 'gift' for my birthday... i've yet to find support for it, lol
[06:40] <intelikey> MuJ and pollyo but if you own lexmark hardware please do pester them about linux support.  costomer input does matter on that sort of thing.   "the squeeky wheel gets the greese"
[06:40] <pollyo> I wonder if it will ever be possible for a winprinterwapper.
[06:40] <MuJ> SilentDis: heh... you might need to wait a bit on that one
[06:40] <MuJ> intelikey: I don't :|
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> heh, worked for Dell
[06:40] <max_> how do you mount a harddrive
[06:40] <pollyo> intelkey: I'm going to call them in the morning.
[06:40] <intelikey> !ntfs | max_
[06:40] <ubotu> max_: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:40] <SilentDis> MuJ: my intent was to wait 'forever'.  it's a neat idea, and kinda cool for the few moments i booted into windows to play with it, but very superfulus :)
[06:40] <max_> its not windows or mac
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> !fstab | max
[06:41] <ubotu> max: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[06:41] <SilentDis> max_: basic line is mount /some/thing /some/where.  what are you trying to mount, and to what end?  we need specifics :)
[06:41] <intelikey> max_ mount /dev/<devicenode> /media/<mountpoint>
[06:41] <max_> intelikey: thanks
[06:41] <pollyo> I'm just looking to find out how to get windows to boot from a startup option and in qemu from the same partition but it looks like a no go.
[06:41] <intelikey> !sudo | max_
[06:41] <ubotu> max_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:42] <max_> SilentDis: im just mounting another linux partition, i coudnt remember what the command was
[06:42] <intelikey> max_ you'll need root perms to mount
[06:42] <max_> intelikey: yes, i know
[06:42] <pollyo> I wanted to setup windows to run in virutalization when I had linux going and linux to run in virtualization when I had windows going.
[06:42] <SilentDis> max_: ahh.  it'll probably be best to use this then:  sudo mount /dev/node /media/mountpoint -o user,defaults
[06:43] <max_> SilentDis: i just "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[06:43] <intelikey> SilentDis -o used  on linux fs's ?
[06:43] <intelikey> errr user ^
[06:44] <SilentDis> max_: that works.  though, /mnt is usually a container, rather than a mount point ;)
[06:44] <SilentDis> intelikey: doh, forgot that part.  no, totally not needed, the fs will take care of it.
[06:44] <intelikey> :)
[06:44] <max_> SilentDis: i just needed a file off the other partition to test somthing
[06:45] <SilentDis> intelikey: sorry.  most people come in asking how to mount ntfs/fat/fat32 drives.  it's just instinct now lol
[06:45] <makuseru> intelikey: your right, it was just a Edgy problem, im on my Fiesty partition and KGuitar works fine
[06:45] <SubOne> Everytime I try to install or uninstall something with Adept I get an error that says "There was an error committing changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages." Any idea how I would resolve this issue?
[06:46] <intelikey> makuseru would you drop a bug report on it then please.
[06:46] <intelikey> !bug
[06:46] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:46] <makuseru> of course
[06:46] <SilentDis> SubOne: could you !pastebin the whole error?  if you need it in 'text' format, use this command to try the install:  sudo aptitude install <packagename>
[06:46] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with setting up samba to view windows drive contents?
[06:46] <intelikey> and note that feisty is working. in the report
[06:46] <makuseru> alright
[06:46] <SubOne> ok i'll try that...
[06:47] <SilentDis> pollyo: the !samba info bit is REALLY helpful on that :)
[06:47] <pollyo> SilentDis: I have to read it more indepth.  I can see the drive.  At times it asks me for a name and password and nothing works.
[06:47] <SilentDis> pollyo: is the host you're connecting to win2k/xp?
[06:48] <pollyo> SilentDis: I thought it wanted a windows login name and password but it doesn't look like the case.
[06:48] <pollyo> SilentDis: XP
[06:48] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: try the admin password
[06:48] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: For the windows machine?
[06:48] <intelikey> would this line in ps -A x  alarm anyone ?   1593 tty23    Ss+    0:00 /opt/firefox/bin/bash
[06:48] <SilentDis> pollyo: it's a setting on XP.  it's been so long since i booted to it though, i'm not sure exactly where it is.  something like 'basic file sharing', or it'll look for a domain host to do username/password verification instead :P
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: yes. and make sure the winblows box is set up for file sharing
[06:49] <SilentDis> intelikey: a little... i'd kill the user personally...
[06:49] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: Taking a look now.
[06:50] <intelikey> SilentDis just checking...
[06:51] <SilentDis> intelikey: I'm a BOFH when it comes to that kinda thing though.  kill -9 'em all and let root sort it out :D
[06:51] <pollyo> Does windows have an admin by default?  I am only showing Remote, User, and Guest accounts on my windows (anyone know)
[06:51] <intelikey> root      1593  0.0  0.6   2708  1552 tty23    Ss+  18:44   0:00 /opt/firefox/bin/bash      hehhe SilentDis
[06:51] <SilentDis> pollyo: the first user of the windows machine is usually considered an admin account.
[06:51] <SilentDis> intelikey: lol
[06:52] <pollyo> Ok
[06:52] <SilentDis> off to play a bit of WoW i guess.  take care all :)
[06:52] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: plus the network connection itself has to be enabled for printer/file sharing, not just individual folders
[06:53] <intelikey> would have some of the general ear marks of a root shell of some sort wouldn't it...
[06:53] <hijjt> is there a grub option to make x not start, it refuses to start and won't let me back to console again at all, any other suggestions will help
[06:54] <intelikey> hijjt 1
[06:55] <martalli> Is there a "failsafe" option in your grub menu?
[06:55] <intelikey> hijjt if that's not powerfull enough.    init=/bin/sh nosplash verbose
[06:55] <nick_> ok easy one here....what is the best burning software avalable in the linux adet manager
[06:56] <hijjt> martalli, no, I only have a grub command prompt right now... xfs filesystem failed to install grub all the way, very annoying
[06:56] <intelikey> nick_ best ?      gcombust
[06:56] <nick_> thank you
[06:56] <hijjt> intelikey, that will work perfect
[06:56] <intelikey> nick_ no xcdroast
[06:56] <intelikey> nick_ no wait.   k3b
[06:56] <nick_> actually i dont even need the best, i just need one that works
[06:56] <intelikey> nick_ i like cdw  :)
[06:56] <nick_> lol
[06:57] <nick_> do any support the hole 9 yards (vcd, iso, dvd etc?)
[06:57] <SubOne> that command i ran "sudo aptitude install mplayer" is taking a long time and its saying its setting up a lot of stuff like open office and the kernel etc, what does that command do?
[06:57] <hijjt> intelikey, what is the point of doing everything by uuid?
[06:58] <ser_o> Hey...
[06:58] <intelikey> hijjt the info is in the fs and not in the location the hardware is attached.    but that doesn't mean it always works..
[06:58] <utnubuk> whats the differance between 32 and 64 bit machines???
[06:58] <martalli> nick_ You are asking severalk questions - if you're using kde - just use k3b
[06:58] <ser_o> how do view .chm files ? I have a ebook which is .chm
[06:58] <makuseru> intelikey: man, how long do these reports have to be, it keeps saying Error If your bug hasn't been reported before, please describe your problem more in detail."
[06:59] <nick_> also, being new to linux, i dont get this command line thing....If i download a program with a tar.gz extension, the windows in me wants to go in there and find a file to install the software.....but apperently its different any any google search i did gave me 3 pages of command lines and adding slashes and numbers to files that i dont even know where to start.
[06:59] <SubOne> utnubuk: the difference is that all data is processed and passed around on 64 bits rather than 32
[06:59] <aaron_> is there anyone here that can help me with my mouse problem
[06:59] <intelikey> hijjt example     if you install on hda then move the ide cable to ide1 your system is now on hdc but the uuid is the same.
[06:59] <SubOne> utnubuk: on the hardware level
[06:59] <aaron_> I am still having it
[06:59] <MaartenLx> Hey... I'm trying to figure out why it won't let me change wallpaper. I am using right-click ---> configure desktop or the KDE system panel, but whatever I try.... the wallpaper does not change. The people of #ubuntu didn't seem to know and suggested I try here :)
[06:59] <utnubuk> SubOne: ty
[07:00] <martalli> "I first experienced POSIC with BSD UNIX and the csh....then I learned bash....isn't buntu in dash?....then I downloaded the breezey disk....then i downloaded the feisty disk....
[07:00] <SubOne> utnubuk: you have to have a 64 bit machine to run 64 bit software
[07:00] <intelikey> makuseru idk send what you have.  or search for one that mentions midi failure
[07:00] <martalli> War and Peace - a bud report in 1000 pages
[07:00] <martalli> s/bud/bug
[07:00] <hijjt> intelikey, good so changing them all back to where i know they are and are going to stay in my laptop won't affect anything
[07:00] <SubOne> utnubuk: if i remember correctly the only thing that isnt 64 bit in most 32 bit systems was the data bus
[07:01] <intelikey> hijjt in theory.
[07:01] <intelikey> hijjt let me know how it turns out in reality  :)
[07:01] <gansinho> hello, please I'm having some trouble with kubuntu and my digital camera , digikam and kde regognises it but I can't load the images ( in gnome I don't have this issue, what's strange(
[07:02] <intelikey> !digikam
[07:02] <ubotu> digikam: digital photo management application for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.8.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3501 kB, installed size 8832 kB
[07:02] <utnubuk> SubOne: ill have to start reading more about that stuff
[07:03] <martalli> Is ralink wireless support buggy?
[07:03] <os2mac> congrats guys... I just did the dist upgrade and it worked just fine...
[07:03] <os2mac> my wireless card even works out of the box.
[07:03] <martalli> I have a zonet pc-card and it just doesn't want to work with my wpa network
[07:03] <os2mac> good job.
[07:03] <martalli> os2mac - great going
[07:03] <keesercc__> anyone know how to install xcircuit from source?
[07:03] <intelikey> os2mac good on ya mate
[07:03] <martalli> feisty's wireless support is overall terrific....are you using an ibook perchance?
[07:04] <os2mac> after 5 versions the broadcom nic finally worked.
[07:04] <sstchur> I just upgrade from edgy to feisty and now my wireless card doesn't work anymore, and I can't boot any previous versions with grub -- I get kernel panic.  Can anyone help?
[07:05] <nick_> ahhhhh....my icons are dissapearing. I have a folder with about 25 mp3 files in it, whe ni open it they all show up and then dissapear!?!?!?!...and it says "25 files, 0 folders"
[07:05] <SubOne> sstchur: maybe that was my issue, but i didnt think i ever said yes when that dialog came up
[07:05] <gansinho> intelikey: I'm using digikam correctly, it just can't load the photos...
[07:05] <martalli> nick_, try changing your view to "details"  are they still gone?
[07:06] <SubOne> sstchur: if you still have the install disc use it to boot into rescue mode and then try to edit your menu.lst file to load the previous kernel
[07:06] <nick_> 1 sec
[07:06] <intelikey> keesercc__ install build-essential   get the source   unpack it.  enter the top level source dir and read the docs supplied (normally in all upper case names) if nothing specific do    ./configure && make && sudo make install && make clean && cd .. tar -c backup.tgz <the-source-dir-name>
[07:06] <sstchur> SubOne: Any idea why my wireless doesn't work anymore though?
[07:06] <nick_> oh ok
[07:06] <SubOne> no clue
[07:06] <intelikey> keesercc__ save that backup.trg cause it's your uninstall tool.
[07:06] <SubOne> i still havent got mine working
[07:06] <nick_> double clicking made the mappear
[07:06] <martalli> sstchur, What sort of wireless card do you have?
[07:07] <intelikey> gansinho idk never used it.  can you get us some error messages to work with ?
[07:07] <sstchur> martalli: It's a DLink (atheros chip) but I've been using ndiswrappers with edgy which worked great
[07:07] <intelikey> gansinho like call digikam from konsole   so it outputs the error
[07:07] <gansinho> intelikey: ok!
[07:07] <martalli> I think I saw some review where it showed atheros chips as a restricted module that you could activate
[07:08] <sstchur> martalli: after upgrading to feisty though, It doesn't see the wireless card anymore
[07:08] <martalli> sudo apt-get install restricted-manager
[07:08] <sstchur> martalli: will that work without an internet connection?
[07:08] <martalli> and try running restricted-manager it will offer the nvidia driver, winmodem drivers, etc.
[07:09] <martalli> sstchur, Only if God will back upyour nic
[07:09] <martalli> lol
[07:09] <intelikey> winmodem drivers ???    i need to look into that...
[07:09] <martalli> sstchur, I guess you will have to wait for a wired connection....
[07:09] <gansinho> intelikey: in the terminal there aren't error messages regarding the camera or the usb device, just in the gui I have "Failed to connect to camera. Please make sure its connected properly and turned on." (I'm sure it's connected and turned on)
[07:10] <sstchur> martalli: so if I can get a wired connection, I can run sudo apt-get install restricted-manager ?
[07:10] <sstchur> might be able to do that
[07:10] <gansinho> I know that my cam does not allow to be mounted as mass storage device, but I was able to get the pics even so
[07:10] <martalli> sstchur, You should be able to.  I have done that on all of my computers so far (most of them have nvidia
[07:10] <martalli> no atheros wireless whips yet, though
[07:10] <sstchur> i'll try... gonna have to unwire this conneciton though
[07:11] <gansinho> I can't acces the pics even with konqueror or other picture apps, I dunno if kde is not mounting it properly or somehing like that
[07:12] <intelikey> gansinho digital camera or webcam ?   cause most digital cameras support disk format on the camera it's self  if that's what you got switch to disk mode and sudo mount /dev/sda /media/      or the like....   it will be a file system just like a disk.
[07:12] <intelikey> gansinho if webcam you just went over my range of support....
[07:13] <gansinho> intelikey: digital camera, a canon, it does not have a "disk mode" it just connects to the computer when the "viewing photos" are selected (and it is)
[07:13] <gansinho> I'll try to mount it manually
[07:14] <intelikey> lsusb  ;sudo fdisk -l   <<< should help with locating it.
[07:16] <intelikey> gansinho i have played with digital cameras about three times...  so don't expect too much from me.
[07:17] <gansinho> intelikey: thanks anyway= )
[07:17] <pollyo> This remote desktop has one flaw I can not close firewall popup messages that are on my windows machine from a remote location.
[07:17] <pollyo> krdc
[07:17] <pollyo> or it might be the vnc that is setup on windows.
[07:18] <nick_> is it me or is everything for linux pretty well free?
[07:19] <martalli> nick_, That's the main idea
[07:19] <nick_> its wesome, BTW
[07:20] <intelikey> nick_ that's the "whole" idea
[07:20] <nick_> im so sick of windows friggen sherware programs
[07:20] <pollyo> Anyone know if a Radeon X600 Display adapter will work for beryl?
[07:20] <intelikey> http://www.linux.org
[07:20] <nick_> "free to try, 39.95 to buy"
[07:20] <intelikey> http://www.gnu.org
[07:20] <intelikey> this is    gnu/linux   you know.
[07:21] <martalli> fsf.org, debian.org, kubuntu.org, ubuntu.com
[07:21] <intelikey> could mention google.com > FOSS
[07:22] <nick_> I am using kubuntu because it was given to me on a CD....i know its a primitive question but why kubuntu, ..i mean alot of people tell me to use fedora core or red hat or even ubuntu...wich is better?
[07:22] <pkhelp> hi
[07:22] <pkhelp> I have a serveral problem
[07:22] <martalli> the only thing that isn';t free is all the time people have devoted to writing even the most "minor" portion of it
[07:22] <martalli> well kubuntu and ubuntu are essentially the same, but with a different windowmanager
[07:23] <martalli> the guts of the system are the same
[07:23] <nick_> oh yeah gnome and kde right?
[07:23] <martalli> nick_, right
[07:23] <pkhelp> This night, I was sleeping, my PC freezes
[07:23] <nick_> so what looks better?
[07:23] <pkhelp> then I restarted and it didn't restarted in X mode
[07:23] <nick_> i like the look of ku
[07:23] <martalli> nick_, If I was to say one reason above all for someone new to linux, ubuntu and kubuntu are the best because they have the lkrgest community of users behind them to help you out when you are learning.
[07:23] <pkhelp> so I type startx
[07:24] <pkhelp> and I had  this error
[07:24] <pkhelp> the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-8776, but the X module has the version 1.0-9746
[07:24] <martalli> red hat and fedora are similar, but their community is more business-focused.  the *buntus run the gamut of computer programmers to gamers to doctors
[07:24] <nick_> i figured the ubuntu version was most popular because i hear it most offen on the tech tv programs when they talk about linux
[07:25] <pkhelp> please help me
[07:25] <martalli> (I mean that red hat and fedora are similar to each other - orry about hat)
[07:25] <martalli> pkhelp you have the nvidia drivers installed wrong somehow
[07:25] <pkhelp> how can I recovery it?
[07:26] <martalli> pkhelp - i wonder if you shouldn't uninstall the nvidia driver.....hm a simple start would be to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select vesa as your cideo driver
[07:26] <sstchur_> Well I've upgraded to feisty, no wireless, so I wired my computer and tried to upgrade linux-restricted-modules, but adept won't let me (keeps saying "no change")
[07:26] <martalli> then you can get back into X to fiddle further
[07:26] <sstchur_> what do I do?
[07:26] <nick_> freebsd??
[07:26] <martalli> sstchur, I think you need restricted-manager
[07:27] <pollyo> Do SATA and SATA2 drives use the same controller?
[07:27] <pkhelp> martalli now I try to run bpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:27] <pkhelp> justa a moment
[07:27] <intelikey> Jucato i don't at all find it sad that gnu is ommited from that page.   but on the same note you will notice a link < http://www.linux.org/info/gnu.html > title; GNU General Public License
[07:27] <martalli> nick_, freebsd is a very different sort of system at its heart than linux, but many of the utilities are similar
[07:28] <martalli> nick_,  What are you looking for in linux?
[07:29] <intelikey> Jucato why would you think it sad if the history for "linux" doesn't mention GNU ?   or for that matter if the history on GNU didn't mention linux ?
[07:29] <martalli> nick_,  linux is eesentially "just a kernel", in other words, the only thing shared among the linux distros is the very basic part of the operating system.  Much more is required to make a functional operating system.  That is what the various "distrois" are - variations on the creatiuon of an operating system for linux by using different varieties and combinations of free software
[07:29] <sstchur_> martalli: I tried the restricted manager, it didn't seem to help
[07:30] <martalli> did it offer atehros drivers?  Was the card int he computer when you ran the program?
[07:30] <intelikey> martalli "just a kernel" as you say is "all the hardware and networking support"
[07:30] <sstchur_> martalli: Network Settings still only show one device: eth0 (my wired card)
[07:30] <Jucato> intelikey: a rather off topic subject, so I'll leave it at that.
[07:31] <intelikey> pm me
[07:31] <sstchur_> martalli: is there a simple way to simply go back to edgy?
[07:31] <martalli> sstchur_, Im lost on that one, i thought that would work for you
[07:31] <intelikey> sstchur_ reinstall.
[07:31] <aaron_> ok so can someone see if they can answer my new thread please purty please I am getting desperate
[07:31] <intelikey> k
[07:31] <sstchur_> intelikey: simpler?
[07:31] <aaron_> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3081152.0
[07:31] <aaron_> theres the link
[07:31] <intelikey> sstchur_ no man that is the simple one.
[07:32] <aaron_> please I really need help
[07:32] <sstchur_> poo
[07:32] <martalli> sstchur_, I can think of a way, but I don't think uits safe - reinstalling is the best way....there is dpkg -get-packages and some combination of commands, but you are going to get messed up by any structural changes that happened from edgy to feisty
[07:32] <nick_> can someone help me lift a couch?
[07:32] <intelikey> sstchur_ if you want convoluted takes for ever and has lots of pitfalls    then there is ONE other way.
[07:32] <martalli> nick_, Where are you? lol
[07:32] <pkhelp> martalli, now startx starts :)
[07:33] <sstchur_> martalli: ok let me ask this.  When I installed edgy, I put /home on a separate partition.  when I reinstall then, I should be able to do it w/o losing my data right?
[07:33] <pkhelp> thaks so much
[07:33] <nick_> lol....southern ontario...wanna take the drive HAHA
[07:33] <aaron_> please someone else besides me must have had this problem
[07:33] <aaron_> with the mouse
[07:33] <intelikey> sstchur_ i'm not martalli but i'll answere yes
[07:33] <aaron_> I cant be the only one
[07:33] <martalli> pkhelp, no problem.  Now it is easier since I don't rmember for certain the names....however, you probably need to go into adept and remove the nvidia video drivers (select uninstall)
[07:34] <sstchur_> intelikey: good enough for me :-)
[07:34] <martalli> sstchur_, yes (=)
[07:34] <sstchur_> off to reinstall then
[07:34] <sstchur_> see you guys in an hour or so
[07:34] <aaron_> martalli can you help me maybe
[07:35] <martalli> aaron_, Are you using wine?
[07:35] <intelikey> aaron_ a higher peremption kernel maybe ?
[07:35] <martalli>  aaron_ Before I helkp you any further, can I have a crack at you in deathmatch (only kidding, but it maybe the only way for me to win lol)
[07:36] <aaron_> no not using wine
[07:36] <martalli> aaron_,  To tell you the truth, intelikey can probably help you better here
[07:36] <aaron_> running ioquake3 under linux
[07:36] <aaron_> ok where is he
[07:36] <aaron_> cus I need him
[07:36] <martalli> I have never used quake on linux, so I may very well be missing out oj this question
[07:36] <aaron_> I will do anything
[07:36] <aaron_> I will sell my soul to mark shuttleworth
[07:36] <martalli> aaron_, he was talking to you up there ^^^
[07:36] <aaron_> just I need a working mouse
[07:37] <aaron_> is he still here
[07:37] <pkhelp> martalli now I think I have to reinstall nvidia driver right?
[07:37] <obvio171> how do i install Apache Maven on kubuntu? do i have to add some special repository?
[07:37] <aaron_> intelikey: you there
[07:37] <martalli> pkhelp - I thin so - you know you might just let the restricted-manager install it - maybe there ius a problem with your nvidia card - what kind is it?
[07:38] <martalli> older cards use an older nvidia driver, and isnce you had two versions of the nvidia driver...it made me wonder
[07:38] <pkhelp> martalli - it is a GeForce 7900 GS
[07:38] <aaron_> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3081152.0
[07:38] <martalli> oh, well that's pretty new lol
[07:38] <martalli> I think you need the latest driver
[07:38] <aaron_> there we go posted the forum thread
[07:38] <Ayabara> hey. I run a dual screen setup in kubuntu. when I maximize windows on my secondary screen, they don't stop at the desktop panels, but "maximize behind it". also, the mouse cursor on my secondary screen is just a big square. help...
[07:38] <pkhelp> It works fine yesterday
[07:39] <aaron_> I think I have found a pretty major bug too
[07:39] <pkhelp> I don't know what happens this night
[07:39] <Tonren> Is there a way to assign Window Switcher shortcuts to particular windows or window classes?
[07:39] <intelikey> aaron_ i only mentioned that using a higher premption kernel might help you.   server/gamming kernels are set to 1000 while desktop kernels are notmally set to from 100 to 250          as far as your hardware and what you are trying to do if killing everything non-essential and using i high-premption kernel don't do it... new hardware is about the only answer i know of.    and i don't like that answer.
[07:39] <martalli> pkhelp Did you upgrqade from edgy to feisty or something?
[07:40] <pkhelp> If it did it automatically, no
[07:40] <aaron_> ok so can I set more resources for the mouse
[07:40] <aaron_> because I really dont feel like new hardware
[07:40] <pkhelp> martalli - If it didn't it automatically, no
[07:40] <aaron_> but I can if I must
[07:40] <martalli> intelikey, yeah,m his hardware should be able to run quake 1
[07:40] <Ayabara> are there any known problems with dual screen setups under kubuntu?
[07:40] <pkhelp> martalli - sorry for my bad english I am italian
[07:40] <aaron_> its actually Quake 3
[07:40] <aaron_> but still
[07:41] <aaron_> I mean I had Quake 3 running on a p2 333mhz
[07:41] <intelikey> martalli the page said  "I booted up ioquake3 and...."
[07:41] <aaron_> with 128mb ram
[07:41] <martalli> pkhelp, did you install it and then reboot the next day and then it didn't work (just making upa story for why maybe it didn't work once you rebooted and restarted X for the first time)
[07:41] <pkhelp> NO
[07:41] <martalli> intelikey, oh i think i need to go to bed
[07:41] <aaron_> and a 16mb voodoo 3
[07:41] <aaron_> so it should work
[07:41] <aaron_> right
[07:41] <pkhelp> martalli - I install nvidia driver about one month ago
[07:42] <aaron_> I mean that comp had windows 95 and this is far better then that
[07:42] <pkhelp> martalli - this night something happened
[07:42] <martalli> pkhelp i;m stumped
[07:42] <martalli> in fact, im going to bed.  Goodnight #kubuntu
[07:42] <intelikey> 16m voodoo 3 ???   "Radeon 9250 128mb" is what you posted
[07:42] <pkhelp> martalli - I am trying with envy
[07:44] (intelikey/#kubuntu) an app ?
[07:45] (intelikey/#kubuntu) xorg.conf has v-sync and h-refresh  setting in it yes
[07:45] (aaron_/#kubuntu) ok
[07:45] (aaron_/#kubuntu) what about mouse preferences
[07:45] <intelikey> yes there aslos
[07:45] <intelikey> also
[07:45] <aaron_> i heard that hardware cursor acceleration will mess it up
[07:46] <aaron_> or whatever it is
[07:46] <aaron_> like hardware mouse acceleration
[07:46] <intelikey> that i don't know
[07:46] <[pyro] > hey guys :)
[07:46] <[pyro] > !seen genii
[07:46] <Slynderdale> [pyro] , No matches were found.
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen genii - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <[pyro] > :/
[07:47] <Ayabara> anyone? I need helt with some dual screen problems
[07:47] <Ayabara> help, even
[07:47] <kubuntu_> hello
[07:48] <mrigns> !bush
[07:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bush - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:48] <intelikey> !bash
[07:48] <aaron_> ahh this so frustrating
[07:48] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[07:49] <aaron_> I finally get my ati card to work then boom this happens
[07:49] <arie> sdfe
[07:49] <arie> hello
[07:49] <[pyro] > !getting my rocks off
[07:49] <[pyro] > ;)
[07:50] <[pyro] > ah bloody bot :D
[07:50] <intelikey> or !getting kicked out of the channel | pyro
[07:50] <aaron_> so no way to give more resources to the mouse
[07:50] <aaron_> because i think that is what needs to be done
[07:50] <[pyro] > lol intelikey
[07:51] <[pyro] > intelikey, he's only a bot.. :D
[07:51] <arie> pyro you like monkey
[07:51] <[pyro] > monkey?
[07:52] <aaron_> intelikey
[07:52] <aaron_> could I add you onto my msn or something
[07:52] <aaron_> I want to get a couple people together that know how to use linux
[07:53] <intelikey> aaron_ i guess you "could" but i don't use msn aim yahoo or any of that...
[07:53] <[pyro] > aaron_: you could setup kopete to join IRC and then you would have the whole channel in ur IM.
[07:54] <aaron_> oh
[07:54] <aaron_> ok its cool
[07:54] <aaron_> I just want some people that are really knowledgable
[07:54] <pollyo> Does kopete work with yahoo chat?
[07:54] <aaron_> I want to start my own company
[07:55] <aaron_> designed to sell Desktops that come with Ubuntu designed for Linux developers and enthusiasts
[07:56] <aaron_> like I saw this distro and was like the reason people aernt jumping on this is because we need to supply more developers
[07:56] <aaron_> but yea just an idea
[07:56] <aaron_> and they would be cheap
[07:56] <aaron_> the fact that the client would be purchasing a system and paying for the hardware only
[07:57] <pollyo> aaron_: Good luck.
[07:57] <aaron_> would mean that I could undercut all those windows pc manufacturers by a bit
[07:57] <aaron_> but just an idea
[07:57] <pollyo> aaron_: Have you looked at linspire?
[07:57] <aaron_> yea I actually tried linspire back when it was lindows
[07:57] <pollyo> aaron_: I think they attempted that with Lindows orignally.
[07:58] <aaron_> and I really didnt like it
[07:58] <aaron_> I like Ubuntu much better
[07:58] <intelikey> aaron_ the reason some people aren't jumping on this is it doesn't cost enough.     they totally believe "you get what you pay for"  and therefore M$ has to be 400 times better for a desktop and 10000 times better for a server...
[07:58] <arie> hi
[07:58] <[pyro] > intelikey: yep i think your spot on there
[07:58] <[pyro] > aaron_: like put them in real sweet cases and make them just a little bit more or something like that
[07:59] <[pyro] > aaron_: its hard to get good margin's on hardware these days unless you buy bulk anyways. it would be a good way to push the margin up.
[07:59] <pollyo> intelikey: The main thing windows has going for it is driver support.  That is a big thing.
[08:00] <intelikey> there is a sucker born every minute.   and they all pass-up free (gnu/linux) and buy the latest windows
[08:00] <[pyro] > pollyo: yes but if you were creating a company to sell machines pre-installed with linux, you would pick your hardware accordingly
[08:00] <intelikey> pollyo what driver support ?
[08:00] <intelikey> pollyo you mean the very latest M$ sponsored hardware ?
[08:01] <pollyo> [pyro] : If you were the average computer shopper you would pick a platform that is going to support the latest printer, camera, ipod device that is on the market.
[08:01] <aaron_> yea
[08:01] <aaron_> I dont want to sell to the average computer buyer though
[08:01] <aaron_> do you remember NeXT
[08:02] <aaron_> that is what I want
[08:02] <aaron_> a company that mostly is targeting developers and enthusiasts
[08:03] <aaron_> and if some average joe wants to buy one then he is free to do that too
[08:03] <sstchur> well, edgy's back... I guess that wasn't so bad
[08:04] <[pyro] > pollyo: you could stock printers / scanners / etc that work perfectly with linux.
[08:04] <[pyro] > pollyo: that way you would have to go "researching" a device to see if it worked in linux or not before you got it.
[08:04] <pollyo> [pyro] : As long as you aren't selling to people who want the latest hardware supported you should be fine.
[08:05] <sstchur> Does anyone know of a screencast recording app?  I tried istanbul, but its dependencies seem to be incompatible with edgy -- i've never been able to successfully install it
[08:06] <intelikey> aaron_ [pyro]  and pollyo   maybe it would be better to just use a compiled list of hardware that have "known issues" with linux.   and advise people to avoid them.
[08:06] <aaron_> yea
[08:06] <aaron_> I dont know
[08:06] <aaron_> its an idea
[08:06] <pollyo> intelikey: Would the list of supported or unsupported be longer?
[08:07] <intelikey> supported
[08:07] <pollyo> Good.
[08:07] <intelikey> pollyo linux supports more hardware than any other os in the world
[08:07] <pollyo> I hope that is something that is being addressed daily.
[08:07] <pollyo> intelikey: I didn't realize that.
[08:09] <aaron_> so wait if I upgraded the mobo and cpu would this still work right
[08:09] <aaron_> or am I gonna have to reinstall this distro
[08:09] <aaron_> I know you have to on windows
[08:09] <aaron_> just wondering if it is true for linux as well
[08:10] <intelikey> pollyo my installed kernel without "restricted modules" supports over 1797 different classes of hardware
[08:10] <intelikey> aaron_ as long as the bios can find the boot loader and the boot loader can find the system root   you are fine.
[08:11] <aaron_> cool try upgrading something like a mobo in windows
[08:11] <aaron_> watch what happens
[08:11] <pollyo> intelikey: I suppose linux being so scalable makes that possible.
[08:11] <aaron_> lol
[08:12] <intelikey> aaron_ depends on the specific version.   older windows had no problem with that.
[08:12] <aaron_> oh
[08:12] <aaron_> well yea so I think tommorow I will throw in this old p4 1.8 into here and hope that works
[08:13] <intelikey> pre-2000 could handle an upgrade pretty well
[08:13] <aaron_> yea
[08:13] <intelikey> old p4   almost sounds ironic
[08:15] <aaron_> this guy sent me a message
[08:15] <aaron_> ok heres what he wanted to do
[08:16] <aaron_> he wanted to use wine to install his aol automatic internet config software onto his ubuntu box
[08:16] <aaron_> so that way he could use aol to connect his ubuntu box to his 56k
[08:16] <aaron_> so I told him that he didnt need that and it wouldnt work if he did
[08:16] <aaron_> then he like got all rude
[08:17] <aaron_> but I was right though
[08:17] <aaron_> I mean installing some aol crap under wine to automatically configure the internet information wont work right
[08:17] <aaron_> because it would suck if I was wrong
[08:18] <aaron_> then I would have to apologize to the guy
[08:20] <intelikey> don't apologize,  just tell him that linux is not for him, and he should stick with something he can use.       that normally makes them mad enough to fix their linux box just to spite you...      it's like saying to a little child "don't spill that"      you know if you say it they will.
[08:21] <aaron_> yea but I am pretty sure that you cant use a configuration utility designed for windows to configure linux
[08:21] <flaccid> does apt-get require any other ports besides 80 ?
[08:21] <intelikey> prolly ftp   idk
[08:22] <intelikey> oh it's not https is it ?
[08:23] <intelikey> flaccid tell me the command to check what ports are in use and i'll answer
[08:23] <ffffu> can i apt-get the openoffice 2.1 newest version?
[08:24] <flaccid> intelikey: netstat -a ?
[08:24] <flaccid> idk?
[08:26] <Betzefer> try synaptic
[08:26] <Betzefer> ffffu
[08:26] <Betzefer> try synaptic
[08:26] <Betzefer> or just download
[08:26] <ffffu> yeah i'm downloading but its in rpm
[08:26] <ffffu> shd i use alien to make deb?
[08:26] <ffffu> i mean.. can i?
[08:27] <Betzefer> i think yes
[08:27] <Betzefer> did u tried the debian site ?
[08:27] <ffffu> couldn't find the debian one.....in the official website
[08:27] <Betzefer> ohh
[08:27] <Betzefer> what about synaptic ?
[08:27] <ffffu> i would use apt-get but then it only install the 2.0 version or something
[08:28] <Betzefer> www.google.com <-- Synaptic
[08:28] <Betzefer> its the Best !
[08:28] <Betzefer> it has everything !
[08:29] <ffffu> what's synaptic?
[08:29] <ffffu> !synaptic
[08:29] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[08:29] <ffffu> ic.. ssame as adept-package manager?
[08:29] <Betzefer> its like aptget just better
[08:30] <[StingRay] > Hi all. Can somebody give me basic directions on configuring a PCMCIA wireless?
[08:30] <ffffu> why is it better?
[08:31] <Betzefer> yes but better
[08:31] <ffffu> [StingRay] : lspcmcia to see what model first
[08:32] <intelikey> flaccid it doesn't look like it does.
[08:32] <flaccid> sweet thanks
[08:32] <intelikey> it's all tcp and standard http  (port 80)    best i can tell
[08:33] <[StingRay] > ffffu I want to have some knowledge before I go to the shop with my laptop. I intend to purchase Netgear WG511T which should work out of the box. If lspcmcia lists it, what then?
[08:33] <intelikey> ok i'm went
[08:33] <[StingRay] > ffffu, how do I set it up?
[08:33] <ffffu> probably get the driver and install
[08:33] <ffffu> !wireless
[08:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:33] <[StingRay] > thanks ffffu
[08:35] <ffffu> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsNetgear
[08:35] <ffffu> search for your model and there's a howto there..
[08:35] <[StingRay] > ffffu, I already checked this :)
[08:35] <ffffu> =)
[08:36] <sstchur_> how do I resolve the fact that when I request to install something through adept, it insists on "no change" ?
[08:36] <ffffu> no change?
[08:37] <Betzefer> dont mine it
[08:37] <Betzefer> mind
[08:37] <Betzefer> thats fine
[08:37] <Betzefer> try in broken pacages
[08:37] <sstchur_> ffffu: got me.... I right click and say "request install" and under the requested column it says "no change"
[08:37] <Betzefer> reinstalling it
[08:38] <ffffu> did u click on Update changes ?
[08:38] <sstchur_> ffffu: where is that? I don't see it
[08:38] <ffffu> i mean Apply changes (at the top) if u are talking about adept manager
[08:38] <ffffu> 3rd button from the left
[08:39] <sstchur_> ffffu: no, it's grayed out
[08:39] <ffffu> sstchur_: think u need to select the package, click on Request Install after u click the package
[08:39] <ffffu> sstchur_: after that "Apply change" will light up
[08:40] <sstchur_> ffffu: I don't think that's it... if I try sudo apt-get install istanbul (which is what I'm trying to install through adept), I get "Package istanbul has no installation candidate"
[08:41] <[pyro] > does anyone know anything about via chipsets stuffing up raid?
[08:41] <ffffu> hmm did u do sudo apt-get update first?
[08:41] <ffffu> sudo apt-get update
[08:41] <sstchur_> ffffu: I didn't, but lemme try that quick
[08:41] <ffffu> alright
[08:41] <ffffu> after update, try again
[08:42] <sstchur_> ffffu: didn't seem to make a difference
[08:42] <sstchur_> ffffu: "
[08:42] <sstchur_> Package istanbul is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:42] <sstchur_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:42] <sstchur_> is only available from another source
[08:43] <ffffu> !paste
[08:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:43] <ffffu> could u paste your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:45] <sstchur_> ffffu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12114/
[08:46] <ffffu> k reading
[08:46] <sstchur_> ffffu: I also have  .deb file of istanbul, and when I try that, I get a bunch of dependency errors saying istanbul requires libxml2 >= 2.6.27, but libxml2 2.6.26 is currently installed
[08:46] <sstchur_> ffffu: which I don't get... why doesn't it just update to 2.6.27... I'd be fine with that
[08:46] <ffffu> ooo did u apt-get upgrade ? may take a long time
[08:47] <sstchur_> ffffu: I'm not sure... i'm afraid to do any upgrades... eariler today I tried to upgrade from edgy to feisty and it didn't go well... so I wiped my systems and reinstalled edgy
[08:48] <ffffu> err
[08:48] <ffffu> sstchur_: could u uncomment those
[08:48] <ffffu> those lines that start with deb
[08:48] <ffffu> line 16,17,26,27,31,32
[08:48] <ffffu> and try apt-get update
[08:48] <sstchur_> ffffu: when I try sudo apt-get upgrade... I get "the following packages have unmet dependencies:"  and istanbul is listed along with libxml2 and gstreamer
[08:49] <ffffu> sstchur_: hmm u try uncomment those lines in your sources.list and update again.. and tr tyagain..
[08:50] <sstchur_> ffffu: which lines?
[08:50] <ffffu> sstchur_: line 16,17,26,27,31,32 in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12114/
[08:51] <sstchur_> ffffu: what will that do?
[08:52] <ffffu> sstchur_: so that  after you apt-get update , it fetches the correct list from repository
[08:54] <sstchur_> ffffu: I'm confused...aren't lines with # commented out already?
[08:56] <cafreamoroso> alguien de mexico
[08:56] <ffffu> sstchur_: sorry i mean uncomment
[08:56] <ffffu> sstchur_: means remove the #
[08:56] <cafreamoroso> 
[08:56] <cafreamoroso> hello anybody from mexico
[08:57] <sstchur_> ffffu: I'll try... last shot, then I'm going to bed
[08:58] <cafreamoroso> how can i turn on intel 845 acceleration?
[08:58] <ffffu> sstchur_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12115/
[08:58] <ffffu> like that
[09:00] <sstchur_> ffffu: running upgrade now
[09:01] <ffffu> sstchur_: pray it work hehe
[09:02] <sstchur_> ffffu: ok, that finished.... i guess I try istanbul again?
[09:03] <sstchur_> ffffu: ah! excellent.. thanks!
[09:03] <ffffu> yeah
[09:03] <ffffu> try it
[09:03] <ffffu> haha!
[09:04] <raffytaffy> hello
[09:04] <ins-dragonclaw> hi
[09:06] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm ... 3am
[09:06] <Betzefer> yo raffy sup ?
[09:06] <eth01> is bitlbee on kbuntu?
[09:06] <dwidmann> yep
[09:06] <eth01> hmm
[09:06] <eth01> i tried apt-get
[09:06] <eth01> no package
[09:06] <dwidmann> 3am ... and my coffee is wearing off
[09:07] <ins-dragonclaw> go to bed
[09:07] <dwidmann> or I could just get more coffee
[09:07] <ins-dragonclaw> you can't force your body to run on fumes
[09:07] <Betzefer> in israel is 9 am so
[09:07] <Betzefer> i had allready slept !
[09:07] <dwidmann> Yes I can. Whether it's good for me or not is another matter
[09:07] <Betzefer> ha ha ha ha
[09:07] <ins-dragonclaw> it's 9am here too
[09:07] <Betzefer> where ?
[09:07] <ins-dragonclaw> I woke up at 6.30, but went to bed at 3.30
[09:07] <kintaro0e> hi guys..how to play .mov files?
[09:08] <ins-dragonclaw> so i've had 3 hours sleep in the last 36 hours
[09:08] <ins-dragonclaw> Betzefer: South Africa
[09:08] <Betzefer> kint
[09:08] <Betzefer> with Mplayer
[09:08] <kintaro0e> ?
[09:08] <kintaro0e> kint is a plugin?
[09:08] <parag> Are there any legal issues in US with using any video players on Linux?
[09:08] <ins-dragonclaw> no
[09:08] <ins-dragonclaw> kint is the first 4 letters of your name
[09:08] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[09:08] <kintaro0e> :)
[09:08] <kintaro0e> haehae
[09:08] <dwidmann> mplayer should play at least some .mov files, might be hit & miss though
[09:08] <cafreamoroso> #hack
[09:09] <ins-dragonclaw> parag: I don't know...
[09:09] <dwidmann> parag, well, might be some surrounding the codecs
[09:09] <ins-dragonclaw> use OGG
[09:09] <parag> INS-DRAGON, what is OGG? Is it supposed to not have legal problems?
[09:10] <dwidmann> ins-dragonclaw: only problem with that solution is that not every website you go to is going to agree with that philosophy eh?
[09:10] <ins-dragonclaw> Ogg Vorbis is an open-source video and audio codec
[09:10] <ffffu> OMFG!!!!!!!!!!
[09:10] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[09:10] <dwidmann> ffffu: eh?
[09:10] <Jucato> easy on the caps
[09:10] <ffffu> my openoffice's spell check works but only check those words in textbox !!!!! arghhhhhhhh
[09:11] <ins-dragonclaw> parag - there are no legal issues with the ogg codec
[09:11] <ins-dragonclaw> but the content is another matter ;)
[09:11] <parag> INS-DRAGON, great!! You have been very helpful! thanks
[09:11] <ins-dragonclaw> dwidmann: recode everything to ogg and keep quiet about it... but that won't remove material copyright
[09:12] <ins-dragonclaw> besides - OGG is better
[09:12] <ins-dragonclaw> parag: you're welcome
[09:12] <ffffu> why does it only check those words in textbox but not the rest of the documents?
[09:12] <dwidmann> ins-dragonclaw: I buy anything I use anyway, so I don't really have that problem. Other content can be another matter though.
[09:12] <ins-dragonclaw> mhmm
[09:13] <dwidmann> I recoded to ogg about a year ago :)
[09:13] <ins-dragonclaw> lol\
[09:13] <ins-dragonclaw> ffffu: which textbox?
[09:13] <ffffu> the.. draw tool textbox
[09:13] <ins-dragonclaw> the spellchecker should run through the entire document
[09:14] <ins-dragonclaw> ohh...
[09:14] <ins-dragonclaw> click outside the textbox when running the spellchecker
[09:14] <ffffu> yeah i had been trying to figure out why all 3 sets of installation of edgy can't spell check
[09:14] <ins-dragonclaw> if that doesn't work then I can't help
[09:14] <ffffu> and discover it does check but only those textbox
[09:14] <ins-dragonclaw> well, i don't use textboxes :)
[09:14] <ins-dragonclaw> heck, i don't even use OOr
[09:14] <ins-dragonclaw> OOo*
[09:15] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[09:16] <frojnd> hello there:
[09:16] <frojnd> Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:16] <frojnd> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[09:16] <ins-dragonclaw> oh
[09:16] <frojnd> what can I do to update sources?
[09:16] <ins-dragonclaw> that one again
[09:16] <frojnd> :>
[09:16] <dwidmann> can't run multiple apt-using programs at the same time frojnd
[09:16] <ins-dragonclaw> i think it's apt-get update
[09:16] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah - the database only allows one process at a time
[09:16] <frojnd> ins-dragonclaw: ur right :)
[09:17] <frojnd> ins-dragonclaw: I restarted X
[09:17] <frojnd> ins-dragonclaw: and try again to update, but with the same massage
[09:17] <dwidmann> erm, if you don't have more than one process running, but it says it anyway, try this
[09:17] <Jucato> !adeptfix | frojnd
[09:17] <ubotu> frojnd: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:17] <dwidmann> !adeptfix
[09:17] <Jucato> :p
[09:17] <frojnd> nice :>
[09:17] <ins-dragonclaw> frojnd: X is the GUI interface, it's got nothing to do with apt-get
[09:18] <ins-dragonclaw> try "ps -A | grep apt"
[09:18] <frojnd> oh..
[09:18] <frojnd> I live in lies
[09:18] <ins-dragonclaw> if something comes up, then there is another apt process running
[09:18] <frojnd> can't
[09:18] <Jucato> actually, X is the windowing system. the GUI interface is the desktop environment/window manager...
[09:18] <frojnd> I was able to upgrade anyway..
[09:18] <ins-dragonclaw> my bad...
[09:18] <dwidmann> frojnd: the above fuser command should take care of that really
[09:18] <ins-dragonclaw> thanks for correcting me, Jucato
[09:18] <Jucato> np :)
[09:19] <ins-dragonclaw> now what's the command to make someone on Kopete talk to you?
[09:19] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo force <name> chat ?
[09:19] <ins-dragonclaw> :P
[09:19] <Jucato> heh
[09:20] <frojnd> ins-dragonclaw: this or sudo make <very nice picture>
[09:21] <ins-dragonclaw> more like sudo set <name> chat --Jedi-mind-trick
[09:22] <ffffu> OMG!! i found out what's wrong
[09:24] <ins-dragonclaw> I hate it when people don't answer their phones
[09:24] <ins-dragonclaw> :/
[09:24] <MuJ> I hate it when people call me when I can't answer the phone and never call me again
[09:25] <ins-dragonclaw> ouch
[09:25] <dwidmann> $FRIEND = [insert friend name here] ; if ( `kdialog --inputbox "Say 'okay' to talk now $FRIEND, or else."` == "okay") then echo "hurray"; else kill -9 friend; endif;    ???????
[09:25] <ins-dragonclaw> ok that is bad
[09:25] <MuJ> well.. obviously they're call wasn't too important then :P
[09:25] <ins-dragonclaw> .... with code like that, you could always just hack and recompile the Matrix
[09:25] <ins-dragonclaw> should make things easier :)
[09:25] <MuJ> their*
[09:26] <dwidmann> hehe
[09:26] <ins-dragonclaw> I like the kill -9 friend pasrt
[09:27] <ins-dragonclaw> part* :|
[09:27] <ins-dragonclaw> I'd just let them off with a warning
[09:27] <ins-dragonclaw> preferably paint their desktop environments with smileyfaces that only go away when they pay me
[09:27] <dwidmann> could have wrote it like that, but then it would have lost its punch
[09:27] <dwidmann> hehehe, brilliantly evil
[09:27] <tux> hi all!!
[09:28] <ins-dragonclaw> and profitable ;)
[09:28] <firecrotch> Hi, tux
[09:28] <ins-dragonclaw> oh i'm so tempted...
[09:28] <ins-dragonclaw> it sucks being tempted this way.....
[09:28] <ins-dragonclaw> :/
[09:29] <dwidmann> >:) guess I'm a bad influence
[09:29] <ins-dragonclaw> no not you
[09:29] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[09:29] <ins-dragonclaw> wipe that really distorted emoticon off your face
[09:29] <ins-dragonclaw> :D
[09:29] <tux> I have a directory with several songs and I want to create a MP3 Cd. I need to rename all files to 1.mp3 , 2.mp3, etc... can you help me making a shell script?
[09:30] <ins-dragonclaw> I think i'll resist this temptation. I don't want to start another fire
[09:30] <ins-dragonclaw> tux: are the files in mp3 format already?
[09:30] <tux> this isn't the problem
[09:30] <frojnd> tux: what's the format of files
[09:30] <dwidmann> tux, krename could work well
[09:31] <ins-dragonclaw> well, in terms of difficulty (for me) : Assembly code > Perl, so don't ask me
[09:31] <tux> 75% mp3s and 25%oggs
[09:31] <ins-dragonclaw> Perl - for reference - is somewhere near the bottom of the list of things I can't do
[09:31] <dwidmann> in fact, krename would work very well
[09:31] <tux> with mp3321 i'll convert them
[09:32] <tux> sudo apt-get install krename
[09:32] <tux> done
[09:33] <tux> use simplyfied interface...
[09:33] <tux> thanks...
[09:33] <tux> ;-)
[09:34] <tux> this channel is useful!
[09:34] <aaron_> well ive given up on gaming on this pc
[09:34] <dwidmann> hehe, you're welcome tux
[09:34] <aaron_> so does the 7.04 beta of ubuntu upgrade the kernel
[09:34] <MuJ> yes
[09:34] <aaron_> cool
[09:34] <aaron_> to what
[09:34] <MuJ> 2.6.20
[09:35] <aaron_> cool
[09:35] <aaron_> I think I will get it
[09:35] <sonoftheclayr> hey all, i took my laptop to school last week for a presentation and the projecter would just show a heap of garbled mess in x but when it was in shell or not in x it would display it perfectly, what is the quick and easy way to set up x for a projector?
[09:36] <MuJ> that reminds me... I need to get s-video cable :|
[09:36] <tux> sonoftheclayr: you connect the projector in VGA exit?
[09:36] <sonoftheclayr> tux: huh? i just connected it to the normal moniter output is that it?
[09:37] <tux> sonoftheclayr: yes
[09:38] <wolferine> looking for someone to help troubleshoot my partition problems.  I have two /home and mnt/hda5 that I am trying to copy files between, but i am having my system freeze, after about 5-10GBs are copied... I am copying large files (as its my back up)
[09:38] <maki> the window behavior page is empty
[09:38] <tux> sonoftheclayr: have you tried in K/System settings (or similar, i have italian locale)/monitor & display?
[09:39] <maki> i run autoremove before that
[09:39] <sonoftheclayr> yeah, i changed that to clone screen just then, i don't have a projecter here but it just resized my screen to 800x600
[09:40] <tux> sonoftheclayr: how about using a second monitor as projector so you can do experiments?
[09:41] <daftman> anyone here got the latest kernel working with nvidia?
[09:41] <sonoftheclayr> yeah, i just need to get one out and plug it in
[09:41] <daftman> 2.6.20-13-generic?
[09:42] <tux> daftman: all kernels works with nvidia!
[09:42] <daftman> tux: nope it doesn't
[09:42] <daftman> tux: i got the 2.6.20-13-generic working
[09:43] <daftman> *i mean the 20-11-generic working
[09:43] <daftman> but with the x.20-12-generic and the x.20-13-generic my X11 doesn't work
[09:44] <daftman> at least not with the current nvidia-glx
[09:45] <Jucato> daftman: it's an issue with the latest kernel updates for Feisty. #ubuntu+1
[09:45] <daftman> Jucato: yes you are right. It is also an issue with the kernel update for edgy this time last year as well
[09:46] <tmbg> nvidia-glx works fine for me in 2.6.17-11, haven't tried newer kernels yet.
[09:46] <Jucato> daftman: basically, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-generic is missing so you won't be able to use nvidia-glx which relies on that. in the mean time, don't boot into that kernel
[09:46] <Jucato> tmbg: you won't be able to anyway. the problem is only on feisty :)
[09:47] <tmbg> you can't run newer t han .17 on edgy?
[09:47] <daftman> Jucato: yep I am not booting into that kernel, but I can't get even get the linux-headers-2.6.20-11-generic anymore
[09:48] <MuJ> tmbg: of course you can... might need some fiddling though
[09:48] <Jucato> tmbg: not without compiling them yourself
[09:48] <_eMaX_> re
[09:48] <_eMaX_> can we mount a .tar.gz via loop directly?
[09:48] <daftman> tmbg: can you sitll get the headers for the x.20-11-generic?
[09:48] <Jucato> daftman: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-11-generic ?
[09:48] <tmbg> already compiled 2.6.17-14 myself. :P
[09:48] <daftman> Jucato: I have it. I can't get the header source file for it
[09:48] <tmbg> haven't tried booting it yet though
[09:49] <tmbg> daftman, haven't tried.
[09:49] <Jucato> daftman: why do you need that? you used the installer from nvidia.com?
[09:49] <Jucato> tmbg: then you can compile 2.6.20 if you want/need to
[09:49] <CarinArr> daftman: you might have to get the drivers from nvidia
[09:49] <Jucato> (I think...)
[09:50] <daftman> Jucato: I am trying to build kqemu
[09:50] <CarinArr> rather than use nvidia-glx
[09:50] <CarinArr> (regarding you saying they don't work)
[09:50] <daftman> the latest header source file is x.20-12-generic and x.20-13-generic
[09:50] <Jucato> daftman: ok... linux-headers-2.6.20-11-generic?
[09:51] <daftman> Jucato: yep the headers and source for it so I can build kqemu module
[09:51] <flaccid> !find webmin
[09:52] <ubotu> File webmin found in debian-edu-config, insserv, logcheck-database
[09:52] <Jucato> !webmin | flaccid
[09:52] <ubotu> flaccid: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. Please avoid using it.
[09:52] <flaccid> interesting
[09:52] <Jucato> daftman: you can't install that? (gave the exact package name)
[09:52] <flaccid> Jucato: is there an alternative ?
[09:52] <Jucato> daftman: because I still have it installed on my system (2.6.20-11 headers)
[09:52] <Jucato> flaccid: don't really know
[09:53] <flaccid> np
[09:53] <daftman> yea you sitll have the headers instalkl
[09:53] <daftman> I don't
[09:53] <daftman> and I am trying to get it back
[09:53] <ffffu> !scim
[09:53] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[09:54] <daftman> so I only have the latest headers in the apt repository
[09:55] <Jucato> daftman: how about trying to use the -20 kernel, modules, and headers instead?
[09:55] <Jucato> er sorry -12
[09:55] <daftman> Jucato: good idea il try that.
[09:55] <Jucato> 2.6.20-12
[09:55] <Jucato> it seems to have a complete set
[09:58] <daftman> Jucato: -12 break nvidia as well
[09:58] <daftman> Jucato: only -11-generic seems to work
[09:58] <Jucato> you did install the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-12-generic package too right?
[09:58] <daftman> yep
[09:59] <daftman> everything the whole shebang
[09:59] <Jucato> strange. I'm using that kernel now
[09:59] <ffffu> why doesn't scim work? ihave it running but ctrl-space doesn't turn on chinese input
[09:59] <Jucato>  /cmd uname -r
[10:00] <Jucato> oops
[10:00] <Jucato> 2.6.20-12-generic
[10:00] <daftman> yep i couldn't get on X with either -12-generic or -13-generic
[10:00] <daftman> only -11-generic works
[10:00] <Jucato> well -13 is a known issue...
[10:01] <Jucato> really strange... #ubuntu+1 might be of more help
[10:01] <CarinArr> is this just with nvidia-glx or with all nvidia drivers?
[10:01] <daftman> it has nothing to do with nvidia-glx
[10:01] <Jucato> daftman: might be helpful if you try to type "startx" and get the error messages
[10:01] <daftman> CarinArr: it just that the later kernel doesn't work for kubuntu
[10:02] <CarinArr> oh
[10:02] <daftman> Jucato: yea I did, it got something like nvidia modules cannot be loaded
[10:02] <daftman> screen exist but cannot find anything usuable
[10:02] <CarinArr> er
[10:02] <Jucato> hm...
[10:02] <CarinArr> that sounds like an nvidia error tho
[10:03] <daftman> CarinArr well considering the nvidia hasn't changed I would have to say the kernel error
[10:03] <Jucato> daftman: "apt-cache policy nvidia-glx", what is the installed version?
[10:03] <CarinArr> that's beside the point tho
[10:03] <daftman> 2.6.20.3-12.11
[10:04] <ffffu> hi... i've just installed openoffice 2.1 manually..it worked..but now when i use apt-get install something, it always say
[10:04] <ffffu> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[10:04] <ffffu>   openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-draw
[10:04] <ffffu>   openoffice.org-math openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-calc
[10:04] <Jucato> daftman: try running "sudo nvidia-xconfig" again
[10:04] <daftman> version 1.0.9631
[10:04] <ffffu> and if i apt-get autoremove , it will remove my OOo 2.1
[10:04] <ffffu> how to stop apt-get from doing that
[10:06] <AmyRose> !paste | ffffu
[10:06] <ubotu> ffffu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:07] <ffffu> !thanks |
[10:07] <ubotu> : You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[10:08] <AmyRose> lol
[10:08] <ffffu> brb
[10:11] <lenscape> !popularity-contest
[10:11] <ubotu> popularity-contest: Vote for your favourite packages automatically. In component main, is standard. Version 1.33ubuntu2.3 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 212 kB
[10:17] <lenscape> does anyone actually run popularity-contest? Are you happy to be snooped on?
[10:19] <cpk1> far as I know its off by default
[10:20] <kRush> it's no bad thing for linux newbies
[10:20] <lenscape> it does seem to be off on my system
[10:20] <cpk1> so then you arent being snooped on
[10:21] <lenscape> no. *I'm* not but does anyone actually turn it on?
[10:21] <kRush> snooped? in what sense?
[10:21] <lenscape> I doubt any newbie would
[10:21] <tulga> can I install ubuntu on my XDA Atom pocket PC? or suggest me any distribution for pocket pc?
[10:21] <Tm_T> is there any reason to not turn it on?
[10:22] <Tm_T> jono: hi (:
[10:22] <lenscape> tulga: there are several Linuxes for pocket PCs
[10:23] <Tm_T> tulga: I assume that pocket pc uses some kind of ARM cpu so I'd say if Familiar Linux has that device in database
[10:23] <tulga> ok
[10:24] <Tm_T> tulga: wait a second, I'll give you some url
[10:24] <tulga> ok thanks
[10:25] <Tm_T> tulga: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary
[10:25] <kRush> lenscape, mind to explain on how this invades ones privacy?
[10:25] <lenscape> tulga: I was going to recommend handhelds.org but it seems to be a bit broken at the moment
[10:25] <Tm_T> lenscape: it always is ;)
[10:26] <lenscape> still stuff on there, though
[10:26] <Tm_T> yes
[10:27] <lenscape> tulga: I put Linux on my iPaq and it has been fantastic. A new lease of life for the old brick.
[10:27] <sonoftheclayr> is there such thing as a command line video player or am i making stuff up?
[10:27] <Tm_T> sonoftheclayr: there is
[10:28] <lenscape> sonoftheclayr: there is
[10:28] <Tm_T> sonoftheclayr: mplayer can play videos in text mode :)
[10:28] <lenscape> sonoftheclayr: mplayer has a command line interface, iirc
[10:28] <Tm_T> even show them in ascii
[10:28] <sonoftheclayr> thanks
[10:29] <lenscape> but if you just want to start a video from a command prompt, just about any will do that
[10:29] <Tm_T> sonoftheclayr: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/ASCII-Movie-01.png (you can see some hint how it works in one of terminals there)
[10:30] <lenscape> Tm_T: blimey! What's the frame rate like?
[10:30] <gae> hi guys, I hae a problem with KDE
[10:30] <Tm_T> lenscape: depends
[10:30] <gae> yesterday I installed kubuntu and the nVidia drivers
[10:31] <Tm_T> lenscape: with that level of detail it's slower
[10:31] <gae> all was fine, rebooted and so on, but today I restarted and KDE didn't want to load
[10:31] <lenscape> gae: is X starting?
[10:31] <Tm_T> gae: but you get KDM (login screen) right?
[10:32] <gae> I get the login on black terminal like screen
[10:32] <gae> no desktop like screen
[10:32] <Tm_T> I see
[10:33] <gae> right now I'm in with the live CD
[10:33] <tulga> thanks guys
[10:33] <_4str1> !feisty
[10:33] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[10:33] <Tm_T> gae: well, "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log" might give us some hint what was happened
[10:34] <tulga> lenscape: not support XDA Atom?
[10:34] <gae> like I said, I'm on live CD and it didn't mount my HD
[10:35] <Tm_T> gae: hmm, can you mount it searately? it should be icon in desktop
[10:37] <gae> how do I do that?
[10:38] <Tm_T> gae: there is HD icons in desktop, right?
[10:39] <raffytaffy> this bug is driving me nuts
[10:39] <Tm_T> Nuts!
[10:39] <raffytaffy> hi Tm_T
[10:39] <raffytaffy> ok get this ; i have 6.10 and 7.04 installed
[10:40] <raffytaffy> when i boot into 7.04 .....then logoff...and boot into 6.10...my time is switched +5 hours
[10:40] <raffytaffy> lol
[10:40] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: hi
[10:40] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: hi
[10:41] <Tm_T> raffytaffy: other one thinks hwclock is UTC and other thinks it's in local time
[10:41] <raffytaffy> well thats just great lol
[10:41] <AJIEXAXXX> hi all
[10:42] <raffytaffy> hi
[10:42] <AJIEXAXXX> I install kubuntu from synaptic  on ubuntu and I want full remove ubuntu
[10:42] <raffytaffy> some refresh my memory : mke2fs -j /dev/sda makes ext3 right
[10:42] <AJIEXAXXX> is this real ?
[10:43] <hw> I didn't know that ubuntu collects information like microsoft windows update. This package is called popularity-contest and, to be honest, it is disabled on my system. But anyway I really dont like such spyware!
[10:44] <Tm_T> it's not spyware
[10:45] <hw> Is not? It is a software to improve users experience?
[10:45] <raffytaffy> its to collect data on which apps are most used..i think
[10:46] <hw> raffytaffy: Correct, it collects this information with unique ID, Like Microsft Windows Update
[10:46] <Ryiel> !iso
[10:46] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[10:46] <Tm_T> hw: unique ID ?
[10:46] <tmbg> yeah I don't think it uses a unique ID.
[10:46] <tmbg> it's just a counter.
[10:46] <berem> can anyone help me about the beryl-manager
[10:46] <AJIEXAXXX> wow ... ca i remove this package ???
[10:46] <raffytaffy> i think it uses ver # name of app
[10:47] <fithou> is there any Vietnamese here ?
[10:47] <AJIEXAXXX> I can help
[10:47] <hw> Tm_T: Yes, /etc/popularity-contest.conf: MY_HOSTID. Which is unique
[10:47] <Jucato> The popularity-contest package sets up a cron job that will periodically anonymously submit to the Ubuntu developers statistics about the most used Ubuntu packages on this system.This information helps us making decisions such as which packages should go on the first CD. It also lets us improve future versions of Ubuntu so that the most popular packages are the ones which are installed automatically for new users http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[10:47] <Tm_T> Jucato: good evening (:
[10:47] <Jucato> (from apt-cache show popularity-contest)
[10:48] <berem> even if beryl is installed I can 't start
[10:48] <raffytaffy> i would like to see a *buntu install cd. meaning just cli without DM
[10:48] <Jucato> Tm_T: good afternoon :)
[10:48] <Jucato> raffytaffy: use the Alternate Install CD
[10:48] <raffytaffy> is that what that is Jucato?
[10:48] <Jucato> raffytaffy: and choose "Install a command-line system"
[10:48] <Tm_T> raffytaffy: server install or alternate
[10:48] <Jucato> !alternate | raffytaffy
[10:48] <ubotu> raffytaffy: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[10:48] <raffytaffy> yeah i thought about lamp install
[10:48] <hw> Jucato: Where is difference to Windows Update? They collecting information about my system.
[10:48] <Jucato> for LAMP installs, use the Server CD
[10:49] <tmbg> hw, if you're so worried about it, just don't use it
[10:49] <Jucato> hw: 1) you can turn it off. 2) it's open source. 3) it's not Microsoft
[10:49] <raffytaffy> lol
[10:49] <firecrotch> hw: The difference is that Microsoft doesn't say what information they collect, nor do they publish the results
[10:49] <raffytaffy> M$ collect wga info to find pirated software
[10:49] <raffytaffy> buntu does not
[10:49] <AJIEXAXXX> man with beryl - I can give  umanual file
[10:50] <raffytaffy> hi firecrotch
[10:50] <firecrotch> if you really want to know what information is being collected, just take a look at the source for the package
[10:50] <firecrotch> hi, raffytaffy!
[10:50] <AJIEXAXXX> here the manual for Beryl http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_AIGLX
[10:50] <hw> tmbg: I said it is disabled on my system :)
[10:51] <AJIEXAXXX> I install like in that doc - It's working for me
[10:51] <Jucato> I don't know windows update that much, but I presume that would be comparable to Adept Notifier+Updater more...
[10:51] <tmbg> then I don't understand the problem.
[10:51] <raffytaffy> i must confess. i try xgl with compiz when it first came out last year. i use it for 30 mins till i develop migraine. last time i used accelerated desktop
[10:51] <AJIEXAXXX> anyone know how to remove ubuntu ????
[10:51] <Jucato> berem: try asking in #ubuntu-effects or #beryl
[10:52] <Jucato> AJIEXAXXX: try http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[10:52] <frojnd> is opera on feisty's sources list?
[10:52] <firecrotch> frojnd:  It's in the commercial repository
[10:52] <hw> tmbg: It starts like microsoft. And from version to version it collects more and more information
[10:52] <Tm_T> hw: haven't done it yet, I wonder why it should do that
[10:53] <Tm_T> hw: and oh, it's opensource, so you can take and look what it does
[10:53] <tmbg> you're always going to be able to view the source, you're always going to have a choice on whether or not you want to run it.
[10:53] <raffytaffy> i wish buntu had something like apparmor (and if it does im not aware of it)
[10:53] <Jucato> raffytaffy: what's apparmor?
 WOW :) this is cool  - THX but is it cafuly ??? :)
[10:54] <raffytaffy> security app
[10:54] <raffytaffy> application security via mandatory access control for programs
 oh yes i forgot ... I want to remove ubuntu but i did't want remove OO
[10:55] <Jucato> raffytaffy: ah... that I wouldn't know.. but doesn't the default Linux permission system (for non-sudoers) cover that too?
[10:55] <hw> Tm_T: Correct, but I havent been told that there is such software... So it is more or less hidden from users. Indeed it is opensource thank god it is opensource =)
[10:55] <raffytaffy> yes
[10:55] <Jucato> AJIEXAXXX: it shouldn't remove it
[10:55] <raffytaffy> but
[10:56] <Tm_T> hw: err, have we said there's apps that does track your internet usage?
[10:56] <raffytaffy> it can control specfic behavior / aspect of a given program
[10:56] <raffytaffy> http://www.novell.com/linux/security/apparmor/
[10:56] <Jucato> ah... novell...
[10:57] <raffytaffy> well im not a fan of novell myself
[10:57] <raffytaffy> but its a good app imo
 ok thx ... this is good, I'l try it
[10:57] <Tm_T> hw: btw that was joke, no need to panic
[10:57] <Jucato> raffytaffy: if it's open source, then there might already be some version floating around
[10:58] <raffytaffy> i find this so far
[10:58] <raffytaffy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmor
[10:58] <Jucato> Tm_T: you forgot to include a ':)' or a [/sarcasm]  ... your joke wasn't that obvious :)
[10:59] <firecrotch> Jucato: Ewww... BBcode
[10:59] <Tm_T> Jucato: well, I do tell jokes with serious face... :/
[10:59] <Jucato> Tm_T: oh... no wonder people don't laugh at your jokes :)
[10:59] <Tm_T> Jucato: laugh? what's that?
[11:00] <firecrotch> !offtopic
[11:00] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:00] <Jucato> :)
[11:00] <firecrotch> :P
[11:00] <Tm_T> firecrotch: (:
[11:01] <sasq> hmm I just noticed that menues in KDE (so I guess QT) is kind of broken. If you enter a submenu in an area where there are no items, the menu closes again, at least if a previous menu is behind it...
[11:01] <sasq> trying to change Encoding in konsole using the Right mbutton menu, and I cant reach the last menu
[11:02] <_4strO> yop yop
[11:02] <sasq> actually only applies if you dont keep RMB pressed, but click your way through the menues...
[11:03] <sasq> or no, it doesnt... very very annoying
[11:04] <sasq> I have to do the initial right click in a "good" position so that the menues align in such a way that the last menu does not cover a previous menu
[11:05] <frojnd> would this work if I change edgy into feisty: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main
[11:05] <Jucato> frojnd: feisty-commercial is currently empty
[11:06] <anti_pop> can someone explain me how to downgrade nvidia-glx from 9755 to 9631 ?
[11:06] <frojnd> so I have install usgink dpkg -l .deb ?
[11:06] <anti_pop> the new one in the repos doesnt support my geforce 4
[11:06] <Jucato> frojnd: what are you trying to install?
[11:06] <firecrotch> Jucato: I thought Opera was in there
[11:06] <frojnd> opera
[11:06] <frojnd> Jucato.
[11:07] <Jucato> ah. you can probably use edgy-commercial even if you're on feisty... probably...
[11:07] <frojnd> ah
[11:07] <frojnd> ok
[11:07] <frojnd> lemme try
[11:08] <frojnd> wha is with driver repostiorys..
[11:08] <frojnd> will nvidia-glx work for my nvidia fx5500 on feisty?
[11:09] <Jucato> it works for my GeForce4 MX4000 :)
[11:09] <gae> having post installation troubles with my nvidia drivers
[11:09] <gae> KDE didn't wanna start
[11:10] <frojnd> Juato: I am not that experianced with drivers, how to accelerate to max nvidia? are the repos enough or I should download .deb from nvidia official page?
[11:10] <tmbg> works on my geforce 7800 gtx.
[11:10] <tmbg> not sure what an fx5500 is all about
[11:10] <gae> replaced my newest xorg.config with an old one
[11:10] <tmbg> mine worked fine w/ just the nvidia-glx from the repos.
[11:10] <gae> now I got KDE back, but my nVidia don't work
[11:11] <frojnd> tmbg: ru on feisty?
[11:11] <tmbg> edgy
[11:11] <raffytaffy> i use nvidia installer
[11:12] <gae> I used the envy....
[11:12] <frojnd> raffytaffy: light me
[11:12] <gae> an older version since the new one made a mess too
[11:12] <raffytaffy> light u?
[11:12] <frojnd> raffytaffy: yes how did u done that
[11:13] <raffytaffy> ahh ok
[11:13] <frojnd> raffytaffy: used nvidia installer
[11:13] <anti_pop> Jucato, nvidia-glx version 9755 will stop working for you
[11:13] <raffytaffy> http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[11:13] <Jucato> anti_pop: I'm only using the one for the repos
[11:13] <anti_pop> yup check that version
[11:13] <anti_pop> its 9631, today they updated it to 9755 (in feisty)
[11:13] <Jucato> yeah, I'm using the 9631 version
[11:14] <anti_pop> and that one has no support for geforce4
[11:14] <Jucato> oh well :)
[11:14] <anti_pop> so dont update this one :D
[11:14] <Jucato> yeah the last version I can use is 9631
[11:14] <anti_pop> i did, cause i didnt know
[11:14] <raffytaffy> i have 9755
[11:15] <anti_pop> raffytaffy, but a card newer than gf4
[11:15] <raffytaffy> they have legacy drivers on nvidia page too
[11:15] <anti_pop> http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html
[11:15] <AJIEXAXXX> I do this command and remove Ubuntu!!! :)
[11:15] <anti_pop> yeah, fun for geforce 4
[11:15] <anti_pop> *2
[11:15] <raffytaffy> i have a crappy nvidia go 6600
[11:16] <anti_pop> geforce 4 is 4400
[11:16] <gae> I have a XFX 7600 GT
[11:16] <gae> and followed the envy recipie
[11:16] <raffytaffy> this is laptop so i cant have a fancy 1gig nvidia
[11:16] <gae> but it didn't seem to work
[11:16] <AJIEXAXXX> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)  - what it mean ????
[11:17] <raffytaffy> dpkg-reconfigure -a
[11:17] <Jucato> !adeptfix
[11:17] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[11:18] <raffytaffy> if its locked perhaps updater doin its thing
[11:20] <gae> what if I have things requiring update that keep on asking to be updated?
[11:20] <raffytaffy> so update them?
[11:20] <gae> did it...about 10 times
[11:20] <raffytaffy> that is very strange
[11:22] <gae> k3b and libk3b2 require update regardless
[11:32] <gillo> hi
[11:33] <pollyo> Hello
[11:34] <pollyo> I'm doing an install within qemu on windows.  It is a bit sluggish.
[11:35] <eXistenZ> Hello, does kubuntu usually auto-mount the other ntfs partitions in the HDD?
[11:36] <MuJ> other.. than?
[11:36] <eXistenZ> MuJ: ?
[11:37] <MuJ> yes, other ntfs partitions.. so it mounts one now?
[11:38] <raffytaffy>  /media/hda#
[11:38] <eXistenZ> MuJ: Not really. When I install kubuntu I usually found them automounted in /media/ . Now I cannot find them =x
[11:38] <eXistenZ> I wonder why they haven't been auto-mounted.
[11:38] <raffytaffy> eXistenZ : check your fstab
[11:38] <MuJ> :|
[11:39] <MuJ> eXistenZ is wierd movie btw :P
[11:40] <eXistenZ> raffytaffy: They aren't listed in fstab
[11:40] <eXistenZ> raffytaffy: Aren't they usually auto-listed?
[11:40] <raffytaffy> not all the time. add them to fstab then
[11:40] <raffytaffy> and make a dir for them to mount to
[11:40] <raffytaffy> i dont know what the entery should look like. i dont use M$
[11:42] <pleb123> Hey can anyone helps me?
[11:43] <raffytaffy> pleb123 : just ask question
[11:43] <pleb123> okiday
[11:44] <pleb123> im trying to write a script to mount users home directorys, e.g. mount - t CIFS - o username=<user> //server/share /home/user/Desktop/mydocs
[11:44] <pleb123> but you need to be root to mount shares
[11:44] <pleb123> :(
[11:44] <pleb123> and i dont want the users to be root
[11:44] <eXistenZ> MuJ: Do you have ntfs partitions?
[11:44] <pleb123> for obv reasons
[11:44] <pleb123> on my win2k3 server ys, on my lin... no :P
[11:45] <starter> hello friends, could you please tell me how to edit the main KDE menu?
[11:45] <raffytaffy> starter :run command ; kcontrol
[11:45] <pleb123> any way to mount without being root
[11:45] <pleb123> or to give mount access to a user?
[11:46] <pleb123> im imagining it has to do with something in FStab?
[11:46] <starter> ah it is in "Panels" god damnit
[11:46] <starter> thanks!
[11:46] <starter> stay well
[11:46] <raffytaffy> ok lol
[11:46] <pleb123> raffytaffy: any  idea
[11:47] <raffytaffy> perhaps http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/howto-mounting-without-sudo/
[11:47] <pleb123> raffytaffy: readng ** :)
[11:47] <xine> hi allllllll
[11:49] <pollyo> pleb123: I know you can mount according to uid in fstab.
[11:49] <pollyo> pleb123:I suppose group as well.
[11:50] <pollyo> pleb123: I recall the information I was reading about mounting ntfs discussing these options.
[11:51] <pleb123> pollyo im sure you can, somehow, but im worried as i will be using a script with variables
[11:51] <pleb123> e.g. username will chnage and as will password
[11:52] <pleb123> pollyo : so i carnt put in  x = y .. e.g /dev/hda /mnt/disk1  ,,, its more like //server/"$username" /home/globallogon/Desktop/mydocs
[11:52] <AJIEXAXXX> how i can remove one packade wich not removes ??? (gnomelibui-common)
[11:54] <pollyo> pleb123: in the file browser put #fstab
[11:54] <pleb123> pollyo: what do you mena?
[11:54] <pleb123> mean*
[11:54] <eXistenZ> pollyo: Do you have ntfs partitions?
[11:55] <pollyo> pleb123: It will give you some examples of the various settings for the fstab fields.
[11:55] <AJIEXAXXX> I have error whith remove some packade  - what I can do ????
[11:55] <AJIEXAXXX> I really want to delete it
[11:55] <pollyo> pleb123: In knonkerer or however they spell it.  Put #fstab in the address bar.
[11:56] <pollyo> eXistenZ: Yes.
[11:56] <pleb123> pollyo will try it now
[11:57] <eXistenZ> pollyo: Were they auto-mounted when you first installed kubuntu?
[11:58] <pollyo> BRB
[11:58] <AJIEXAXXX> how i can delete package if it did't delete ????????
[11:59] <rbrunhuber> AJIEXAXXX: What do you mean?
[11:59] <oslo> hi
[11:59] <rbrunhuber> hi oslo
[12:00] <polly1> Hello
[12:00] <polly1> That other machine was to slow.
[12:00] <metty_> hi! how can i upgrade amarok pls?
[12:01] <pleb123> apt-get remove "nameofpackage"
[12:01] <pleb123> ??
[12:01] <polly2> I have ntfs
[12:01] <polly2> Ugg...
[12:01] <metty_> pleb123:  was this to me?
[12:01] <oslo> i'm on feisty & since 2.6.20-13 i've some problem with nvidia-glx, my card only support 1.0.9631 and i'ts trying to switch from nvidia-glx [1.0.9631+2.6.20.3-12.11]  TO (1.0.9755+2.6.20.4-13.12 Ubuntu:7.04/feisty) any ideas ?
[12:01] <pleb123> metty_ indeed
[12:01] <oslo> i reboot right now i'll come back
[12:02] <polly1> pleb123: Were you asking about ntfs earlier?
[12:02] <metty_> pleb123: u mean to remove and reinstall it?
[12:02] <pleb123> polly1: can you not convert the FS with gparted? + knoppix?
[12:02] <pleb123> metty_: did you say you needed to remove a package?
[12:03] <eXistenZ> Can anyone answer my simple question? :/
[12:03] <polly1> pleb123: I do not know about converting FS,
[12:03] <pleb123> polly1: still stuggling with mounting as not root
[12:03] <metty_> pleb123: no i said i need to upgrade one
[12:03] <pleb123> metty_ ah, my bad, sorry
[12:03] <AJIEXAXXX> how I can delete package ?? - it not deleted
[12:04] <pleb123> AJIEXAXXX open console and type. sudo apt-get remove "packagename"
[12:04] <pleb123> Can anyone help me with mounting a changing network drive locally without being root?
[12:05] <eXistenZ> pleb123: Do you have ntfs partitions?
[12:05] <pleb123> eXistenZ, no why?
[12:05] <metty_> how can i upgrade amarok pls?
[12:06] <polly1> pleb123: You want to mount specific directories from the ntfs for each user or the entire partition?
[12:06] <eXistenZ> pleb123: I would like to know whether the ntfs partitions are usually auto-mounted in /media/ right after the installation of kubuntu.
[12:07] <pleb123> eXistenZ Not sure, but imn sure as hell they'll be mounted as readonly if they are
[12:07] <polly1> pleb123: Here is how I have my ntfs mounted in fstab:  /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[12:07] <pleb123> polly1 no
[12:07] <eXistenZ> pleb123: mine weren't automatically mounted, what might be the reason?
[12:07] <polly1> pleb123: I'm mounting them read/write with ntfs-3g
[12:08] <pleb123> polly1 I want to log a machine on locally with a logon script which asks users for the windows domain and password and mounts there workarea to a folder on there desktop called mydocs
[12:08] <pleb123> polly1 can i run a script as ROOT without giving said user root accesss?
[12:09] <pleb123> eXistenZ: im not sure, i dont think they will be mounted automaticall, if you can figure out the partition name you can mount it yourself tho
[12:10] <polly1> pleb123: I'm not sure how it would work but I would be suprised if you couldn't do it.
[12:10] <pleb123> polly1 :(  cheers for the help anyhow :)
[12:11] <pleb123> polly1 i would use fstab but as the first directory changes, with the server address and usernamem, i carnt
[12:11] <pleb123> Does anyone know how to run a script as root without giving the user root access?
[12:13] <naamuis> how can i update my wine's Dx?
[12:13] <eXistenZ> pleb123: still there?
[12:14] <raffytaffy> big problem
[12:15] <raffytaffy> gparted refuses to work on my external
[12:16] <Tm_T> naamuis: by updating wine
[12:17] <naamuis> :)
[12:17] <naamuis> how i do that?
[12:17] <naamuis> :D
[12:17] <polly1> pleb123: Looks like alot of interesting information in the man pages for mount and fstab
[12:18] <Tm_T> naamuis: do "apt-cache policy wine" in terminal and tell what version does it say to be installed
[12:18] <Tm_T> ubotu: hi
[12:18] <naamuis> k
[12:18] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:18] <Tm_T> (:
[12:19] <raffytaffy> i forced cfdisk and it worked
[12:19] <raffytaffy> but dont do this ppl
[12:19] <Tm_T> raffytaffy: still having fun?
[12:19] <raffytaffy> Tm_T : i purchased a 250 gig seagate external
[12:19] <raffytaffy> mistake #1
[12:19] <naamuis> where can i get newer than 0.9.22-0ubuntu3 ?
[12:19] <raffytaffy> then tried to change it from ntfs to ext3
[12:20] <raffytaffy> mistake #2
[12:20] <Tm_T> !wine | naamuis
[12:20] <ubotu> naamuis: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:20] <raffytaffy> brb gotta reboot
[12:22] <polly1> pleb123: Does samba do what you are attempting to do?
[12:22] <oslo> so the new nvidia-glx ( 1.0.9733 ) doesn't work for me and with 1.0.9631 i can start with nvidia on 2.6.20-12 but not on 2.6.20-13 ...
[12:23] <oslo> i have an old graphic card: geforce4 mx 440
[12:24] <polly1> pleb123: This link appears to discuss what you wanted to do a but and it uses samba in the example: http://mozillaquest.com/Linux02/LinNeighborhood_Network_Neighborhood_Story-01.html
[12:25] <naamuis> i updated my wine and it didn't work :(
[12:26] <Tm_T> naamuis: what doesn't work?
[12:26] <Tm_T> oslo: can you try nvidia-legacy drivers?
[12:26] <naamuis> Entropia :D
[12:26] <Tm_T> naamuis: hmm, I wonder if that is in "should work" list
[12:26] <naamuis> :)
[12:27] <naamuis> entropia universe
[12:27] <naamuis> where i can find the list?
[12:28] <Tm_T> naamuis: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[12:28] <oslo> Tm_T> i did , doesn t work on 2.6.20-13
[12:31] <oslo> right now i'm using /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.9631+2.6.20.3-12.11_i386.de on 2.6.20-12
[12:31] <Tm_T> oslo: hmm, nasty
[12:31] <rbrunhuber> oslo: what is the output in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[12:31] <Tm_T> oslo: anyway, #ubuntu+1 for Feisty (:
[12:32] <rbrunhuber> Tm_T : Do you think this is a good hint? He won't find a lot of people there having kubuntu.
[12:35] <david_> What do I use to find out what hardware I've got on my machine? KInfoCenter doesn't give useful information (like card names).
[12:35] <MuJ> there's no linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.20-13.. that's why it doesn't work
[12:35] <oslo> MuJ> it's seems i have one ...
[12:35] <Jucato> MuJ: there is now
[12:36] <MuJ> yeah.. right.. I need to update my package list more often :P
[12:36] <Jucato> but the new nvidia-glx doesn't support MX and TI cards anymore.
[12:39] <rbrunhuber> Jucato : It looks like nvidia-glx is not updated for the new kernel
[12:39] <Jucato> rbrunhuber: it is. it's too updated
[12:39] <Jucato> version: 1.0.9755+2.6.20.4-13.12
[12:40] <rbrunhuber> Jucato : So packages.ubuntu.com is not uptodate...
[12:40] <Jucato> rbrunhuber: yes. the site isn't. but the repos are
[12:41] <rbrunhuber> Jucato : I'm here at work so i have to use the "other" bs
[12:41] <Jucato> :)
[12:42] <rbrunhuber> Jucato : Are you sure the newest nvidia driver does no longer support gforce 4 cards?
[12:43] <ryanakca> no longer support? why?
[12:43] <Jucato> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html <--- list of cards supported by the 9755 driver
[12:43] <Jucato> rbrunhuber: 9631 is the last that supports GeForce4
[12:45] <rbrunhuber> Jucato : Thanks.
[12:45] <polly1> Hello
[12:45] <intelikey> wow...   heh irc is so funny in 50x15 text mode
[12:45] <intelikey> Jucato for ?
[12:46] <polly1> Anyone know what this means "smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000) smbmnt failed: 1"
[12:46] <Jucato> intelikey: for the rest of my life :)
[12:46] <_JP> ifup returns always 0, even if it says "Failed to bring up eth0". how do i detect the failure in an sh script?
[12:46] <Jucato> intelikey: j/k. the latest nvidia-glx driver on feisty no longer supports my card :)
[12:46] <intelikey> polly1 yes means you can't do it without sudo.
[12:46] <waylandbill> JP: how about checking stderr for output.
[12:47] <intelikey> Jucato really.        ummmm that's nvidia's doing isn't it ?
[12:47] <polly1> intelikey: Hmmm... I'm getting this message from inside LinNeighborhood.
[12:47] <Jucato> intelikey: yesh
[12:47] <Jucato> intelikey: I wasn't really implying it was ubuntu at fault :)
[12:47] <Jucato> !away > Gvlaskop
[12:47] <_JP> waylandbill: thanks for the tip
[12:48] <polly1> intelikey: So I would just run the app with sudo?
[12:48] <intelikey> Jucato no i was just wondering if nv & ati were about to roll swap.
[12:48] <intelikey> polly1 of set the suid bit on it
[12:48] <intelikey> polly1 that's an chmod call if you are interested
[12:49] <polly1> intelikey: Oh..
[12:49] <polly1> chmod +s smbumount
[12:50] <intelikey> is it +s  ?   or  +S  ?
[12:50] <intelikey> i just digitize it.   4755   hehe
[12:51] <intelikey> but polly1 remember that security is some times compromised when you run things with suid
[12:51] <intelikey> you should read up on that.
[12:52] <polly1> intelikey: Ok.
[12:53] <frojnd> how  does this APT download proccess works? if I upload torrents downloading with apt goes real slow, if I pause torrents apt downloading encrease... is there any connection between apt downloading and torrents?
[12:53] <Jucato> O.o
[12:54] <Jucato> you don't download torrents using APT
[12:54] <frojnd> o.O
[12:54] <frojnd> Jucato... torrents are beside work..
[12:54] <Jucato> aah
[12:54] <frojnd> I know, I don't downlodat them with apt
[12:54] <Jucato> well you're using up your bandwidth att he same time
[12:54] <frojnd> download*
[12:54] <frojnd> Jucato: des that mean that when I download packages I also upload them?
[12:55] <intelikey> band narrowness
[12:55] <intelikey> frojnd no it means that you can only pass so much data over the line in a given time.
[12:55] <intelikey> dirrection is irrelevant
[12:56] <frojnd> intelikey: that doesn't make any sence, I can download torrent with the same speed as with apt, and also upload.. so why would this be irrelavant
[12:56] <_4strO> and if u dont limit the upload, your download will be affected
[12:56] <frojnd> and with apt I can only download..
[12:56] <frojnd> _4strO: ya, I noticed..
[12:57] <frojnd> with other words:
[12:57] <frojnd> vdsl where ru
[12:58] <wilman> where can i configure xine?
[12:58] <MuJ> are you sure there's no cat eating your internetz?
[12:58] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/93141
[12:58] <Kmos> it will be available for feisty ?
[12:59] <intelikey> MuJ maybe he's got a grep eating it....
[12:59] <wilman> is feisty out yet?
[12:59] <frojnd> wilman: beta mgm
[12:59] <frojnd> MuJ: my cat is dead for a long time..
[01:00] <wilman> beta mgm?
[01:00] <MuJ> oh.. I'm sorry :(
[01:00] <frojnd> mhm
[01:00] <polly1> intelikey: I chmod +s smbamnt and still get that message.  Any ideas?
[01:00] <frojnd> Muj: it was kinda hilarious, my mum drove her just 1m before garage..
[01:01] <intelikey> polly1 ls -l  and see if it is suid or not
[01:01] <wilman> when i set a plugin for sound in amarok like : pcm.duplicate when i restart amarok it is back to default, how can i make this stay ?
[01:05] <polly1> intelikey: LOL.. Uggg.. Typo  I did it to smbumount
[01:06] <intelikey> :)
[01:06] <intelikey> oh no.
[01:07] <intelikey> !security hole....
[01:08] <intelikey> i just found out that any user can without special permission chmod a script they have written.   including  chmod 4755 ~/testing  ; ~/testing    and it will do anything root can do.
[01:09] <intelikey> dubble checking it now.
[01:10] <gae> hello, I was trying to install clamAV
[01:11] <gae> but apparetly there is a problem with my adept/synaptic
[01:11] <gae> and it cannot install it from the repos
[01:11] <gae> any idea?
[01:13] <intelikey> !clamav
[01:13] <ubotu> clamav: antivirus scanner for Unix. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.88.4-1ubuntu2.1 (edgy), package size 65 kB, installed size 208 kB
[01:13] <gae> what do you mean?
[01:14] <polly1> bbl
[01:15] <intelikey> !universe
[01:15] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:15] <gae> I know that
[01:16] <intelikey> ok it seem to ba a false alarm.  i can chmod anything but the suid bit seems like it's some how ignored.
[01:16] <gae> I tried to install it from there
[01:17] <gae> from the repos
[01:17] <gae> but it says that it's missing a dependence
[01:19] <intelikey> which one ?
[01:19] <gae> clamAV
[01:19] <gae> I tried to install it from the repositories
[01:20] <gae> but apparently there is a problem with the dependency and doesn't specify that
[01:20] <intelikey> clamav is not a dependancy of clamav   that would be a recursive loop  (bug)
[01:20] <intelikey> gae   sudo apt-get install calmav
[01:23] <gae> done it
[01:24] <intelikey> well did it tell you anything ?
[01:24] <gae> that it's installed, but I don't see any icon in the K menu
[01:26] <gae> got everything on, thanks a lot man
[01:26] <gae> I had to get KlamAV too
[01:26] <gae> the frontend for KDE
[01:27] <intelikey> gae may i ask what you plan on doing with clamav ?
[01:27] <intelikey> just curious...
[01:27] <metty_> would some be so kind to help me pls: how can i upgrade amarok?
[01:32] <rbrunhuber> metty_ : What do you mean with upgrade?
[01:32] <dadwebb> hello and good morning
[01:32] <dadwebb> hey looks like im on
[01:32] <gae> maybe use it as antivirus?
[01:32] <metty_> rbrunhuber: to install a newer version
[01:33] <rbrunhuber> metty_ : can't you do this just with adept_manager?
[01:33] <metty_> rbrunhuber: i'm trying but as i said i am new to linux and a totally noob :D
[01:33] <gae> prob is that in upgrading clamAV I need to install two packages of which I cannot find a trace in adept
[01:33] <intelikey> gae for what though ?
[01:34] <rbrunhuber> metty_ : are you using kubuntu edgy?
 gae may i ask what you plan on doing with clamav ?  <gae> maybe use it as antivirus?  <intelikey> gae for what though ?    ?
[01:35] <metty_> rbrunhuber:  i am using kubuntu 6.06 i think
[01:35] <intelikey> lsb_release -a
[01:35] <gae> protection of my system?
[01:35] <gae> other then my business of course ;)
[01:35] <intelikey> gae what system ?  windows ?
[01:36] <rbrunhuber> metty_ : so the latest version of amarok in 6.06 is 1.39
[01:36] <gae> do you think that I'm here talking if I had windows?
[01:36] <Black_Cat> why not, you might have both linux and windows.
[01:36] <intelikey> gae i don't know   i never saw anyone use antivirus crap on linux  unless they were running a server and trying to protect windows
[01:36] <poningru> gae: if you dont have windows then why do you have clamav?
[01:36] <rbrunhuber> metty_ : which version do you want to use?
[01:38] <gae> well i figured that having p2p's I'd better use an antivirus...
[01:38] <metty_> rbrunhuber:  the newest :D  because i am not able to play mp3s with my amarok version (1.3.9) and people told me to upgrade it
[01:39] <rbrunhuber> metty_ : This is not a problem of amarok. (K)Ubuntu has no out of the box support for mp3
[01:39] <Black_Cat> it's not amarok, it's codec package afaik.
[01:39] <rbrunhuber> !codecs|metty_
[01:39] <ubotu> metty_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:40] <cyt> !samba
[01:40] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:42] <intelikey> how does linux do that ?   i found the security    it's not that i can't chmod things to any permissions  including suid   it's that i can't cp tar or anyother means get a file to be owned by root into my home dir ....      what is the mechenism that does that ?    pam ?
[01:42] <ToolBust> alguem sabe como se chama o programa para entrar nos telemoveis por bluetooth?
[01:42] <metty_> rbrunhuber: i just downloaded codecs before. i don't really think that thats the prob
[01:43] <ToolBust> is there a software that i can hack into a cell by bluetooth?
[01:43] <rbrunhuber> metty_ : there are a lot of codec packages so this does not mean you have mp3 support in amarok
[01:44] <ToolBust> is there a software that i can hack into a cell by bluetooth?
[01:44] <rbrunhuber> ToolBust : Do you want to connect to a bluetooth device or do you really want to "hack" it
[01:44] <ToolBust> hack it
[01:45] <rbrunhuber> ToolBust : I do not think this is the right channel to ask for such tools.
[01:45] <metty_> rbrunhuber: ok thanks a lot i will have a look at this :)
[01:45] <ToolBust> what's the right one?
[01:45] <rbrunhuber> metty_ : Please tell us if you where successful
[01:45] <Tm_T> rbrunhuber: well, kernel issues aren't really Kubuntu specific
[01:45] <ToolBust> do you know the right channel?
[01:46] <rbrunhuber> ToolBust : Google is your friend. I will not give you any pointers on this
[01:46] <ToolBust> why not?
[01:47] <Black_Cat> i have strange things happening in my computer. i'm trying to install kubuntu 6.06 from livecd, and i just receive cd-reading errors; though it works just fine with the virtualPC. any workaround ideas with usb/disc image? all i see in wiki is alternate installer related...
[01:47] <rbrunhuber> ToolBust : Because this is not hacking-mobiles-by-bluetooth channel
[01:47] <ToolBust> then tell me one
[01:48] <rbrunhuber> ToolBust: No!
[01:55] <raffytaffy> whoa
[01:55] <raffytaffy> what happen to everyone
[02:02] <orient2000> czesc myszmala
[02:02] <raffytaffy> dist-upgrade should feature a --dry-run switch..meaning to test if itll resolve all dep proper.
[02:02] <raffytaffy> ooo polak
[02:02] <myszamala> cze
[02:02] <raffytaffy> dwa polacy
[02:02] <rbrunhuber> raffytaffy : Doesnt have apt-get a dry-run script indepent of upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[02:02] <orient2000> trzy polacy?
[02:02] <Tm_T> raffytaffy: well, it asks (y/n) if od or not
[02:02] <raffytaffy> i mean install in say a /tmp dir
[02:02] <Tm_T> orient2000: speak english thanks
[02:02] <raffytaffy> which will show all possible outcomes?
[02:02] <raffytaffy> ehh
[02:03] <orient2000> ok
[02:03] <raffytaffy> wishfull thinking
[02:03] <Tm_T> yes, I do not wish to do anything serious (:
[02:03] <myszamala> polakw jak mrwkw
[02:03] <raffytaffy> kinda like auto patching a kernel ..u can do a dry run on the patch against the source youre patching..to see if it will work
[02:03] <myszamala> sorry
[02:03] <Tm_T> myszamala: same to you, english please
[02:03] <myszamala> ok, ok
[02:04] <raffytaffy> myszamala: where are you from
[02:04] <Tm_T> there's channels for other languages
[02:04] <myszamala> poland, warsaw
[02:04] <waylandbill> !pl
[02:04] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[02:04] <myszamala> i know
[02:04] <rbrunhuber> raffytaffy : you should have a look at aptitude -s
[02:05] <orient2000> #ubuntu-pl is a joke 2 people there sleeping all the time
[02:05] <myszamala> but orient aks me in polish
[02:05] <myszamala> so i anserwed in polish
[02:06] <gae> so, i was saying, anyone tried to install PG2 n kubuntu?
[02:06] <raffytaffy> rbrunher: what u mean aptitude -s
[02:07] <rbrunhuber> raffytaffy: from aptitude help :  -s             Simulate actions, but do not actually perform them.:
[02:07] <raffytaffy> ahh cool ok
[02:07] <raffytaffy> i didnt know about that. i dont use aptitude on reg basis
[02:07] <rbrunhuber> raffytaffy : and this even works with the non-super-cow-power version
[02:08] <rbrunhuber> raffytaffy : :-)
[02:08] <raffytaffy> apt-get moo
[02:08] <raffytaffy> hehe
[02:08] <Tm_T> gae: PG2 ?
[02:08] <waylandbill> rbrunhuber: all versions do it then since aptitude doesn't have those kind of powers. ;)
[02:08] <orient2000> !moo
[02:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:09] <Tm_T> well it does
[02:09] <Tm_T> aptitude -v moo <-- keep adding v
[02:09] <waylandbill> I know the eegg. It's cute.
[02:10] <rbrunhuber> waylandbill : this was just a joke. But i'm still searching for the super-cop-power version :-)
[02:10] <waylandbill> :)
[02:12] <raffytaffy> this may be a bit offtopic but still is on topic...anyone heard of that windows based buntu installer
[02:12] <Tm_T> yes
[02:12] <raffytaffy> does it work?
[02:12] <Tm_T> as for pre-alpha testing yes
[02:12] <raffytaffy> is it like debootstrap?
[02:13] <Tm_T> all I know that it's easy way to destroy your system if nothing else ;)
[02:13] <raffytaffy> ahh good to know
[02:13] <raffytaffy> i will recomend to my enemies
[02:13] <Tm_T> raffytaffy: I think that's against CoC
[02:14] <raffytaffy> i was joking
[02:14] <Tm_T> hmm, not sure if joking is against it too
[02:14] <gae> Tm_T peerguardian 2
[02:14] <gae> PG2
[02:14] <Tm_T> I see
[02:14] <Tm_T> !peerguardian
[02:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about peerguardian - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <raffytaffy> peerguardian waste of time
[02:14] <Tm_T> heh
[02:15] <raffytaffy> ktorrent does that stuff with ipwhitelist /blacklist
[02:15] <raffytaffy> im not sure where to get the lists thou
[02:15] <Tm_T> gae: have you done any searching in wiki.ubuntu.com or help.ubuntu.com/community
[02:16] <gae> I'm a bit multitasking at the moment, but not as much, didn't
[02:17] <raffytaffy> if u want to know what im using ask
[02:19] <raffytaffy> ok why is there 350+ users but only a few talk
[02:19] <Admiral_Chicago> morning all
[02:20] <raffytaffy> morning Admiral_Chicago
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there raffytaffy
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> doing a little bug work before school starts, i'm so productive. anyone needing help in here?
[02:22] <just-this-time> !flashplugin
[02:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashplugin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:22] <just-this-time> !flash
[02:22] <Admiral_Chicago> yup, i have a twin brother. he is cool, trying to get him going on bug work
[02:22] <Admiral_Chicago> just-this-time: what are you trying to find
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> flashplugin-nonfree?
[02:23] <just-this-time> yes
[02:23] <metty_> where can i check my kuuntu version pls?
[02:23] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: wow. kool :)
[02:23] <Jucato> metty_: "lsb_release -a" in Konsole
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> problem is he doesn't have an ubuntu machine for the reason I blogged about earlier like no printer support.
[02:23] <metty_> Jucato: thx
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> just-this-time: what release are you on?
[02:24] <metty_> 6.10 edgy
[02:24] <metty_> oh sry ^^
[02:24] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: still kool to have a twin hehe :) [/offtopic] 
[02:24] <just-this-time> firefox 2 on edgy explodes I have nv on 1024 pixels
[02:25] <just-this-time> firefox 2 on edgy explodes  when on flash pages .I have nv on 1024 pixels
[02:25] <gae> moblock is the one for linux
[02:25] <Admiral_Chicago> just-this-time: that latest flash plugin for edgy is in the backports repo
[02:25] <just-this-time> happens on second computer
[02:25] <metty_> rbrunhuber: i now can play mp3s :D the dist-upgrade helped :D
[02:25] <just-this-time> I wonder who is to blame  - nv ? firefox ? flash ?
[02:25] <metty_> rbrunhuber: thx a lot!
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago> i'd uncomment that line, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list back to not use backports
[02:26] <just-this-time> tyvm Admiral_Chicago
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago> just-this-time: flash i would say, I have seen too many mozilla problems because of plugins
[02:26] <just-this-time> why not use backports ?
[02:27] <just-this-time> so Admiral_Chicago which flashplugin version suits my system ? in nv, edgy, 1024 pixels, ff2
[02:27] <rbrunhuber> metty_ : Just a word of warning after the "bad" hint: Be careful with apt-get dist-upgrade. This *may* break things.
[02:28] <Admiral_Chicago> just-this-time: what are the symptoms. backports are for programs that users really want for earlier releases but it has newer versions for certain things and can get you into dependency problems
[02:28] <rbrunhuber> metty_:  Do not say yes if it wants to update things you do not know of.
[02:29] <metty_> rbrunhuber: k ;) thx
[02:29] <metty_> rbrunhuber: but i am still trying to update my amarok and it won't work
[02:29] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: whats the brand of the printer ?
[02:30] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: run that by me again? (about backports)
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> just-this-time: you want flash 9, you may have 7 in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Linux_Galore: Dell and Lexmark.
[02:30] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: ah nvm. got it
[02:30] <Jucato> just had to reread it 3x :P
[02:31] <just-this-time> Admiral_Chicago: how do I check flashver
[02:31] <Jucato> just-this-time: about:plugins in Firefox
[02:31] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: aah the Dell stuff is just a software printer, lexmark do have good support but only in the business range
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> Linux_Galore: yea, nothing for my two 40 dollar printers.
[02:32] <metty_> why does apt held the amarok package back when i try to "apt-get upgrade amarok" ??
[02:32] <just-this-time> Admiral_Chicago:  right it says flash 7 and  sudo apt-get install flashplugi-nonfree reports latest ver ?
[02:33] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: you have to be carefull the term "printer" is loosely used with the cheap models because in reality there is stuff all in them other than a IO interface chipset, they basically run the hardware in emulation on the system, nice in some ways but the print speeds are rubbish and they slow your system down
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> just-this-time: first do sudo apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> what does the candidate file tell you
[02:34] <just-this-time>   Candidate: 7.0.68~ubuntu3
[02:34] <Admiral_Chicago> !paste | just-this-time
[02:34] <ubotu> just-this-time: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:34] <just-this-time> ty
[02:35] <Admiral_Chicago> please follow the link and paste what you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: the reason Linux doesnt work with these printers is because well there is nothing to work with, the printers have no real hardware inside them to send anything too
[02:35] <Admiral_Chicago> then pase me the link
[02:35] <just-this-time> k
[02:35] <Admiral_Chicago> Linux_Galore: right, I know that, its the same issue of being marginalized by hardware vendors as well, but that belongs in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[02:36] <bronze_0_1> what does kubuntu use for the chkconfig function?
[02:37] <rbrunhuber> bronze_0_1 : what does chkconfig for other distributions?
[02:37] <just-this-time> Admiral_Chicago: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12137/ there you go ! current sources.list
[02:37] <yeti> unmet dependencies: libartsc0-dev: Depends: libartsc0 (= 1.5.4-0ubuntu1) but 1.5.5-0ubuntu1~dapper1 is to be installed <- what _exactly_ does that mean?
[02:38] <yeti> i'm trying to install libartsc0-dev, libartsc0 IS installed
[02:38] <yeti> i'm usind edgy & edgy-backports
[02:38] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: actually thats wrong, its easier to write a driver for "real" hardware than the cheap rubbish sold at walmart that has to have the whole thing run in software to save a few bucks
[02:38] <Admiral_Chicago> ah you are correct
[02:38] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: In a way Linux is a great crap hardware filter
[02:40] <pCarsten_> i just followed the upgrade instructions edgy->feisty, there's one module left in Adept Updater called "linux-restricted-modules-generic". Requesting upgrade results in status "BREAK (upgrade)". what does that mean?
[02:40] <pCarsten_> should I go ahead and upgrade anyway?
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> just-this-time: almost done
[02:41] <rbrunhuber> pCarsten_ : I would not do this. This could leave you with an unbootable system.
[02:41] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: good example is i was looking at some three in ones recently and wondering why one (made by panasonic) had no Linux support but the other two did, then I also noticed the panasonic had really bad page speeds compared to the other two models, a bit of research and i found the Panasonic model was actually a software printer and thats why its so slow
[02:41] <pCarsten_> rbrunhuber: ok, thx. But what does it actually mean? where can i find out what would break?
[02:41] <just-this-time> ty
[02:41] <Admiral_Chicago> yup, i believe you.
[02:42] <just-this-time> did sudo apt-get update
[02:42] <just-this-time> now dwonloading flash 9
[02:42] <rbrunhuber> pCarsten_ : What did you use for upgrade?
[02:42] <just-this-time> Admiral_Chicago: restart ff2 ?
[02:42] <pCarsten_> the process on the kubuntu wiki DistUpgrade page (or whatever it's called)
[02:42] <Admiral_Chicago> just-this-time: may not work
[02:43] <nicoc> hi
[02:43] <nicoc> :)
[02:43] <rbrunhuber> pCarsten_:  need the link please
[02:43] <Linux_Galore> lol, just download flash from the adobe site and unpack it and copy the file to ~/mozilla/plugins  takes like 20 seconds
[02:43] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: wait and retry with adept
[02:43] <nicoc> can anyone give me a hand partitionating my hardisk?
[02:43] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: but do not rebooot until that's gone, there is update that fixes that "break"
[02:44] <Tm_T> !partitioning
[02:44] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:44] <pCarsten_> rbrunhuber: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[02:44] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: you have adept open, right?
[02:44] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: Adept Updater
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> just-this-time: i would change your sources to lok like this
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12141/
[02:45] <nicoc> im triying to keep my other os safe, and the setup of kubunto does not let me create 2 partitions :s
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm curious to where flash 7 is installed
[02:45] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: but I can switch if need be, of course
[02:45] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: ok, let me look how that works and I'll help you with it :)
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know?
[02:45] <just-this-time> Admiral_Chicago: tyvm flash9 worked . now you say comment backports back ?
[02:46] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: /usr/lib  from memory
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> Linux_Galore: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ over here, not sure about edgy
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> just-this-time: wait, what does about:plugins tell you?
[02:47] <rbrunhuber> pCarsten_ : The tool is not 100% stable AFAIK. So this should be used by testers and developers only. If you are not really sure you should better no upgrade to feisty before it is not stable on ~19th April.
[02:47] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: btw for Feisty discussion #ubuntu+1 (:
[02:48] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> Linux_Galore: ty.
[02:49] <alomelo> hi there. anybody know how to install django framework to kubuntu edgy?
[02:49] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: hmm, can you restart adept_updater?
[02:49] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: done
[02:50] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: and fetch information etc, look and hit me what it says related to restricted
[02:51] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hi (:
[02:51] <pCarsten_> Restricted Linux modules for generic kernels
[02:51] <pCarsten_> This package will always depend on the latest restricted modules available for generic kernels.
[02:51] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, gotta run to my classes, talk to you all later. just-this-time, you may PM me if you need help, but I won't be back for a few hours
[02:51] <rbrunhuber> Tm_T : Do you really want to upgrade him to feisty? It might get him a unusabe system. Feisty and the update are still mareked as not being ready for primetime.
[02:51] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: and its upgradable?
[02:51] <Tm_T> rbrunhuber: he already did
[02:51] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: yep
[02:52] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: wonderful, apply :)
[02:52] <pCarsten_> rbrunhuber: I'm already 90% of the way through the process...
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T!
[02:52] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : Hi Hobbsee
[02:52] <joaquin> alguien me podria ayudar con un problema relaccionado con el apt
[02:52] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: and has been going fine? except this issue ofcourse :)
[02:53] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: but this is when I get the BREAK msg (as soon as i hit "request upgrade")
[02:53] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: still? :O
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> !es | joa
[02:53] <ubotu> joa: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> !es | joaquin
[02:53] <ubotu> joaquin: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:53] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: there were some trouble with apache2, but since I don't need that right now I just removed that
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry,
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hey rbrunhuber
[02:53] <Tm_T> Admiral_Chicago: (:
[02:53] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: yes, still
[02:54] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: hmm, weird, mind to open konsole and do some magic there
[02:54] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: no, i don't mind that at all
[02:54] <just-this-time> tyvm Admiral_Chicago I am aka cntb
[02:55] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: good, "sudo apt-get update" and then "apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-generic"
[02:56] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: first close adept and friends ofcourse (:
[02:56] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: done
[02:56] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: and? pastebin whole output
[02:57] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: you're using generic I assume rudlessly :p
[02:57] <Tm_T> ruthlessly even
[02:57] <Tm_T> or whatever
[02:58] <kenox> hello
[02:58] <pCarsten_> have no idea what you mean by "generic" .. is that a "yes" or a "no" then? ;-)
[02:58] <kenox> how can i run a command as root
[02:58] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: let's assume it's yes ;)
[02:58] <kenox> from kde
[02:58] <waylandbill> kenox: kdesu
[02:59] <Tm_T> kenox: "kdesu command" to klauncher, alt-F2 is default for that I think
[02:59] <waylandbill> !kdesu
[02:59] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:59] <kenox> its a bigger problem
[02:59] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12145/
[02:59] <kenox> there a bug with shutdown
[03:00] <kenox> so i use halt
[03:00] <kenox> now i want to run halt without using kdesu as kdesu asks for password
[03:01] <kenox> i want a hlat button like the shutdown button in k menu
[03:01] <kenox> halt*
[03:01] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: hmm, interesting
[03:01] <kenox> how?
[03:01] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: do you use mirrors?
[03:01] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: yessir
[03:02] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: hmm, mind to temporarily use http://archive.ubuntu.com for restricted ?
[03:02] <Jhuri> hi folks
[03:02] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: looks like that update hasn't hit your mirror yet
[03:02] <kenox> could i edit the shutdow command to halt?
[03:02] <kenox> in kdm
[03:02] <Mena> Hi, i got this error after changing the Groups (Conversation with su failed ) ...Why i get this
[03:02] <Jhuri> my monitor module in kde systemsettings keeps failing
[03:03] <Jhuri> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split'
[03:03] <Jhuri> error: *** runFunction failure
[03:04] <Jhuri>  self.xsetup = XSetup(self.xconfigpath)
[03:04] <Jhuri>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/displayconfigabstraction.py", line 321, in __init__
[03:04] <Jhuri> any ideas?
[03:05] <Mena> stdin, Hi
[03:05] <Mena> !su
[03:05] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:05] <pCarsten_> Tm_T: that was the trick! I removed all the country codes in sources.list, and now I'm looking at a dozen upgrades instead of just one. And none with "BREAK".
[03:05] <Jhuri> ??
[03:06] <Tm_T> pCarsten_: lovely :)
[03:06] <Tm_T> jolly good, jolly good indeed
[03:06] <bazatu_3> can enibody help me whit my Nvidia video card
[03:07] <Mena> Tm_T, Can you see this error Conversation with su failed
[03:07] <Tm_T> bazatu_3: and your problem is?
[03:07] <bazatu_3> i cannot install my driver
[03:07] <bazatu_3> i-ve got a driver from nvidia
[03:07] <bazatu_3> but that is no good
[03:08] <bazatu_3> when i install that driver the X server do not start
[03:08] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3 : Can you post /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin?
[03:09] <bazatu_3> just a moment
[03:09] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3 : Do you have a Geforce 4 card=
[03:09] <bazatu_3> i have a Ge Force fx 5500
[03:09] <Jucato> !nvidia
[03:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:10] <ricardo> hi...
[03:10] <ricardo> have anybody tried the distr updater of adept?
[03:11] <Mena> Jucato , any idea about this, after changing the Groups (Conversation with su failed ) ...
[03:12] <Jucato> Mena: nope.. sorry..
[03:12] <Mena> ok
[03:13] <untouch> hi got a sound problem i get only sound from my audigy2 out of the digital ourput channel but i need sound from both channel digital and anlog
[03:13] <bazatu_3> X Window System Version 7.0.0
[03:13] <bazatu_3> Release Date: 21 December 2005
[03:13] <bazatu_3> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0
[03:13] <bazatu_3> Build Operating System:Linux 2.6.15.7 i686
[03:13] <bazatu_3> Current Operating System: Linux Radu 2.6.15-28-386 #1 PREEMPT Thu Feb 1 15:51:56 UTC 2007 i686
[03:13] <bazatu_3> Build Date: 16 March 2006
[03:13] <untouch> does some one have an idea
[03:13] <Tm_T> !pastebin | bazatu_3
[03:13] <ubotu> bazatu_3: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:14] <beergutxl> Hi all
[03:15] <bazatu_3> the file is too big
[03:15] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3: Too big for pastebin?
[03:15] <bazatu_3> i cannot paste it
[03:15] <bazatu_3> yeh
[03:16] <beergutxl> I've got a problem with kaffeine pand audio cd can anyone help?
[03:17] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3:  can you try to paste the output of grep "\(EE\)" -a3 -b3 /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin?
[03:18] <q_> how to connect two computers using a crossover cable?
[03:18] <sasq> Im having troubles with multiple monitors - xinerama is compiled in the normal xorg-packages right?
[03:18] <bazatu_3> just a moment
[03:19] <untouch> what is the command to start sthe soundserver ?
[03:19] <beergutxl> q_: set static IP addresses on both the machines in the same subnet
[03:21] <bazatu_3> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[03:22] <beergutxl> q_: you missed my message?
[03:22] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3 : You should use pastbin for this.
[03:23] <rbrunhuber> !pastebin| bazatu_3
[03:23] <ubotu> bazatu_3: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:23] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3 : Do never paste in the channel directly
[03:23] <bazatu_3> soryy about that
[03:23] <serenity> hi
[03:23] <q_> beergutxl, thx
[03:24] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3: maybe you should try to paste Xorg.0.log to pastebin then
[03:24] <c1|freaky> is there any program which works like soundsolution winamp plugin for linux?
[03:24] <rbrunhuber> c1|freaky : What does soundsolution do?
[03:25] <serenity> i just installed feisty beta, but when i update to 20-13 adept holds back restricted-mdoules-genric and there is no wlan support lleft
[03:26] <Jucato> serenity: #ubuntu+1 please
[03:26] <bazatu_3> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12151/
[03:28] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3: It seems you have the free driver installed not the nvidia one.
[03:29] <bazatu_3> because that driver on the nvidia site it dose not start
[03:29] <bazatu_3> *does
[03:29] <bazatu_3> the X server dont't start
[03:30] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3 : ah ok. then i need the other xorg.log (often something like /var/log/Xorg.93.log)
[03:30] <bazatu_3> just a momment
[03:30] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3 : remember to use pastebin again.
[03:30] <bazatu_3> ok
[03:31] <Mena> Can i edit the sudo file
[03:31] <ricardo> have anybody tried the distr updater of adept?
[03:31] <c1|freaky> with what program can un unpack .rar files?
[03:31] <Jucato> c1|freaky: install "unrar" and you can use Ark
[03:31] <Mena> is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported. i got this when tring to login form terminla with my user name
[03:32] <eilker> !maradns
[03:32] <ubotu> maradns: Simple security-aware Domain Name Service server. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.10-1 (edgy), package size 449 kB, installed size 1108 kB
[03:32] <c1|freaky> theres only unrar-free i dont want that one
[03:32] <Jucato> c1|freaky: you need to enable multiverse
[03:32] <Jucato> !multiverse | c1|freaky
[03:32] <ubotu> c1|freaky: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:33] <c1|freaky> Jucato: i have multiverse enabled
[03:33] <c1|freaky> uncommented
[03:33] <Freakazilla> hello
[03:33] <beergutxl> Whenever I play a CD in kaffeine, when it reaches the end it repeats the CD if Playlist--> Repeat is set or not anyone have any ideas?
[03:33] <Jucato> c1|freaky: then you probably don't have the correct one enabled
[03:33] <Freakazilla> hello
[03:34] <c1|freaky> Jucato: im on feisty
[03:34] <Freakazilla> I have a question about the forum's
[03:34] <Jucato> c1|freaky: hm...
[03:35] <Jucato> I can see unrar here just fine
[03:35] <Jucato> !info unrar feisty
[03:35] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.7.3-1 (feisty), package size 94 kB, installed size 228 kB
[03:35] <raffytaffy> Jucato: do u know anything about certs?
[03:35] <Jucato> nope
[03:35] <raffytaffy> ok
[03:35] <Jucato> except that I'd love to have a certificate for my job here in the channel :D
[03:36] <Jucato> oh wait, I have something like that already :)
[03:36] <raffytaffy> Jucato: i want to do ccna this summer ; and ive been hearing about a possible buntu cert
[03:36] <raffytaffy> is there one?
[03:36] <Jucato> not really sure... :/
[03:36] <c1|freaky> Jucato: strange ...
[03:37] <Jucato> c1|freaky: if you could pastebin your sources.list, maybe we can see what's wrong
[03:37] <bazatu_3> i don;t have another Xorg.conf other that i posted
[03:39] <c1|freaky> Jucato: nm i got it
[03:39] <raffytaffy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12154/   my source list is good for edgy
[03:39] <Jucato> c1|freaky: good
[03:39] <c1|freaky> thx for ur help :)
[03:39] <Jucato> raffytaffy: he's on feisty :P
[03:39] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3:  No other Xorg.log?
[03:39] <raffytaffy> ok i can post a feisty list
[03:39] <bazatu_3> yep
[03:39] <raffytaffy> one sec
[03:39] <Jucato> raffytaffy: nvm
[03:39] <Jucato> he got it
[03:39] <raffytaffy> ok
[03:40] <raffytaffy> i would like to see his fesity list if possible
[03:40] <raffytaffy> to compare to mines
[03:40] <rbrunhuber> bazatu_3 : how often did you start Xorg?
[03:42] <bazatu_3> i don't remember to  start  Xorg
[03:42] <chuck> bazatu_3: startx what you're looking for?
[03:42] <bazatu_3> i'm i newby in linux
[03:42] <raffytaffy> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:42] <raffytaffy> or sudo start x
[03:42] <raffytaffy> startx
[03:43] <raffytaffy> gdm is u use gdm
[03:43] <Jucato> raffytaffy: don't "sudo startx" actually
[03:43] <Jucato> or rather, no need
[03:44] <raffytaffy> Jucato: im used to doin that when my custom kernels somehow mess up my x :P
[03:44] <Mena> is there a way to reset the root pass
[03:44] <bazatu_3> it says command not found
[03:45] <ehamberg> How can I use compiz instead of kwin after having installed the compiz-kde package? (Feisty beta)
[03:45] <raffytaffy> bazatu_3: are you in terminal mode ?
[03:45] <bazatu_3> no
[03:45] <chuck> so i'm having trouble playing a dvd movie on my kubuntu edgy. tested a data dvd with .mpeg files and they work in kaffeine. however, i try to play a dvd in the same drive and get an error:
[03:45] <chuck> The source can't be read.
[03:45] <chuck> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)
[03:45] <raffytaffy> then x is already started
[03:45] <bazatu_3> ok
[03:45] <bazatu_3> so about my nvidia video card?
[03:46] <raffytaffy> glxinfo --> find "direct rendering" if its "on" then u have 3d
[03:46] <raffytaffy> if its "off" u prolly need to install driver
[03:46] <lophyte> hi all.. I'm using Kontact for my mail/calendar/contacts and such.. I imported the Ubuntu Fridge calendar, but now I'd like to remove it and I don't see an option to do so.. any suggestions? thanks
[03:46] <jhutchins> !root | mena
[03:46] <ubotu> mena: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:47] <chuck> any suggestions for my dvd problem?
[03:48] <bazatu_3> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[03:48] <chuck> i thought this stuff was supposed to "just work" in ubuntu   =P
[03:48] <raffytaffy> chuck u need libdvdcss codecs
[03:48] <seanor22> hello everybody
[03:48] <chuck> raffytaffy: thanks bub. i'll take a look into it
[03:48] <raffytaffy> enable multiverse and universe repos and search for them
[03:48] <raffytaffy> bazatu_3: are you using ati or nvidia
[03:49] <seanor22> is antone familiar with the kubuntu upgrader tool ?
[03:49] <jhutchins> !dvd | chuck
[03:49] <ubotu> chuck: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:49] <chuck> ooooooo
[03:49] <seanor22> -t +y
[03:49] <jhutchins> seanor22: Edgy => feisty?
[03:49] <seanor22> yes
[03:49] <bazatu_3> i have a video card Nvidia GeForce FX 5500 256Mb Agp8X
[03:50] <raffytaffy> !nvidia | bazatu_3
[03:50] <ubotu> bazatu_3: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:50] <jhutchins> seanor22: Try #ubuntu+1, we're still all edgy here.
[03:50] <seanor22> jhutchins: thanks
[03:50] <bazatu_3> i treyd that and it dosent work
[03:50] <Zennor>  i need some asistance on installing kubuntu from cd-rom! i boot from cd and start the installation and at cd-rom-detect he doesn't find my device...
[03:51] <raffytaffy> bazatu_3 what exactly did u do
[03:51] <jhutchins> Zennor: There is an alternate CD if you have unsupported video or other problems, it does a text install with more options.
[03:52] <grothesk> Hi there!
[03:52] <raffytaffy> hi
[03:52] <grothesk> Is k3b 1.0 for Edgy available in some repo?
[03:52] <jhutchins> !info k3b
[03:52] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 3975 kB, installed size 8432 kB
[03:52] <bazatu_3> i did exactly what it says there and i work just the nvidia logo
[03:52] <jhutchins> grothesk: That would be a no.
[03:53] <bazatu_3> nothing else
[03:53] <grothesk> jhutchins: I thought so.
[03:53] <raffytaffy> u see the nvidia logo when u turn on puter bazatu_3?
[03:53] <bazatu_3> yes
[03:53] <sebbar> is k3b 1.0 in feisty?
[03:53] <raffytaffy> bazatu_3: i want you to do this....go here  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/  ..and paste the complete output of "glxinfo" in there
[03:53] <jhutchins> sebbar: #ubuntu+1
[03:54] <bazatu_3> ok
[03:54] <raffytaffy> and give me link in here
[03:54] <Jucato> sebbar: will be
[03:54] <Jucato> not yet here though
[03:54] <Zennor> jhutchins this version i us ;) but the prob is, that he doesn't recognize the cd-device
[03:55] <grothesk> raffytaffy: Just turn it off.
[03:55] <Zennor> jhutchins: syslog says: cdrom-detect CD-ROM mount failed: /dev/scd1
[03:55] <florian__> Bonjour.
[03:55] <raffytaffy> but how will i know when it finish then hehe
[03:55] <jhutchins> sebbar: Unfortunately, #ubuntu+1 uses the same bot, so it doesn't know what's in Feisty either.
[03:56] <florian__> I'm looking for the executable which launch kmenu, any idea ?
[03:56] <jhutchins> Jucato: Certainly did, I was checking what the bot knows.
[03:56] <Jucato> jhutchins: you didn't read what the bot spit out either :P
 k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu5 (feisty), package size 3987 kB, installed size 8452 kB
[03:56] <jhutchins> Jucato: Um, yeah, I did.
[03:57] <Jucato> feisty only has 0.12 for now
[03:57] <raffytaffy> burning media with beta / alpha ver not a good idea imo
[03:57] <Jucato> jhutchins: you could also do "info <package> <release>", like "info k3b feisty" with the bot
[03:59] <[pyro] > anyone here using an Asus P4P800-E motherboard?
[04:00] <jhutchins> Jucato: Ah, I see now what I missed.
[04:00] <rstanca> [pyro] : problems installing kubuntu on that motherboard?
[04:01] <Zennor> I try to mount my install-cd with: mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdc1 /cdrom -> Mounting... failed: Invalid Argument
[04:02] <Zennor> dmesg: attempt to access beyond end of device
[04:03] <Zennor> dmesg: sr1: rw=0, want=68, limit=4
[04:05] <[pyro] > rstanca: no im thinking of buying it.
[04:05] <raffytaffy> how do u guys feel about running kubuntu on xeon chips?
[04:06] <[pyro] > rstanca: it has a promise raid controller on it, but one person has complained about the pATA / sATA not both working at the same time.
[04:06] <[pyro] > linux wants to see a sATA controller or a pATA controller.. not both in the 1 controller.
[04:06] <[pyro] > i dont think it will be a problem for me, as id just use sata or the EIDE interface
[04:06] <chuck> whats with these silly Seveas Packages? when i update /etc/apt/sources.list i can't get apt-get update to finish
[04:07] <chuck> it throws 404 errors
[04:07] <chuck> i tried 3 different mirrors
[04:07] <rstanca> [pyro] : a friend of mine had problems with installing kubuntu on it, but a bios update fixed the issues
[04:08] <chuck> !dvd
[04:08] <[pyro] > rstanca: oh rly?
[04:09] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:09] <[pyro] > rstanca: i have another Promise TX2 card, i want to run 6 x 40Gb drives on this machine. Set them all up in a software raid 5
[04:10] <chuck> d'oh   i made a dumb mistake. i'm sorry
[04:11] <[pyro] > rstanca: there are 2 versions of that board, P4P800 and P4P800-E. Your friends was def the E version?
[04:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy all  :)
[04:17] <rstanca> [pyro] : called him, yep, it was E
[04:17] <chuck> okay i'm running into more trouble. I got libdvdread3, and libdvdcss2 installed, i ran the install-css.sh script. still getting the same error when i play DVDs
[04:18] <chuck> not sure where else to go
[04:19] <chuck> do i need any other packages for dvd playback?
[04:19] <[pyro] > rstanca: thanks very much!
[04:20] <[pyro] > rstanca: if it runs linux well and the promise controller functions ok and he's happy with it then thats good enough for me :)
[04:21] <rstanca> [pyro] : didn`t hear him complaim :)
[04:24] <bazatu_3> sorry about that
[04:25] <bazatu_3> i'm back
[04:25] <bazatu_3> i get the same error
[04:25] <bazatu_3> on my Nvidia video card
[04:26] <starter> hello friends, I have shared a folder on my kubuntu box with a windows network via samba, but I would like to set up just one user/pass that can read the contents of the folder
[04:27] <starter> is there a way to set this up in smb.conf?
[04:30] <bazatu_3> nobody knows how to make work a videocard Nvidia on kubuntu?
[04:30] <BluesKaj> !graphics
[04:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about graphics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:30] <BluesKaj> !nvidia
[04:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:31] <neil__> hey guys
[04:31] <neil__> how do i change the resolution shown on the login boot screen?
[04:32] <neil__> Swapped out monitors, changed the res. inside of kubuntu fine, just not the login window
[04:32] <Camaxtli> neil_: The kdm?
[04:32] <neil__> ermmm
[04:32] <neil__> I think so?
[04:33] <Camaxtli> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=508587
[04:34] <neil__> thanks ill give it a try :)
[04:36] <Camaxtli> neil_: If you can't change it from KDE then try altering it in xorg.conf
[04:37] <xtavaresx> kubuntu sucks up all my battery power on my laptop very quickly, much quicker than windoze does. is there some way to control power usage?
[04:37] <chuck> i've got libdvdcss2, and libdvdread3 installed but I still can't open encrypted dvds (unencrypted works though). any other suggestions?
[04:37] <Camaxtli> xtavaresx: Use the powermanager applet?
[04:37] <xtavaresx> !powermanager
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powermanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:38] <Camaxtli> It's the battery icon in your systray
[04:38] <xtavaresx> Camaxtli, clicking the battery option only lets me decide what it does when i close the lid, and when to hibernte
[04:39] <Camaxtli> xtavaresx: Get kpowersave then and uninstall powermanager
[04:39] <Camaxtli> kpowersave has a bit more options imo
[04:39] <xtavaresx> ok thanks
[04:39] <xtavaresx> sudo apt-get ?
[04:39] <Camaxtli> Just use adept
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> anyone running feisty noticing that after a while of leaving your computer that kdesktop crashes? I think I've narrowed it down to DPMS being on, but would like to have more of an idea before filing a bug report.
[04:40] <[Ro] bazatu_3> how i can make my nvidia vedio card to work
[04:40] <[Ro] bazatu_3> ?
[04:40] <Camaxtli> [Ro] bazatu_3: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:40] <Cristina> camaxtli:your are prostitute
[04:41] <[Ro] bazatu_3> i've tryed that but it wont work for me
[04:42] <chuck> have you tried envy?
[04:42] <chuck> (for nvidia drivers)
[04:42] <[Ro] bazatu_3> no
[04:42] <chuck> i haven't had any luck with it, but i hear its supposed to be nice. do a web search for envy ubuntu
[04:42] <[Ro] bazatu_3> ok
[04:42] <Cristina>  camaxtli:your are prostitute  camaxtli:your are prostitute
[04:42] <[Ro] bazatu_3> thancks
[04:42] <neil__> is there a way to restart x without losing your session?
[04:42] <neil__> ie being logged out
[04:42] <kelsa|martalli> What is the command/program for desktop search in kubuntu?  My work comp here has desktop search (beagle?), but I didn't see it on my computer at home when I installed this weekend
[04:43] <kelsa|martalli> Christina: You cnt spll you cnt spll
[04:43] <kelsa|martalli> j/k
[04:44] <Camaxtli> kelsa|martalli: Try slocate :p or the default konq. homepage
[04:44] <Cristina> your are son or laughter of whore
[04:45] <Tm_T> interesting
[04:45] <Jucato> oops sorry.. missed that one
[04:45] <Jucato> btw, the nick looks familiar
[04:45] <fdoving> good thing i'm back from work :)
[04:46] <Tm_T> Jucato: we all missed that one except fdoving
[04:46] <Jucato> I haven't unglued my eyeballs from #kubuntu since last week...
[04:48] <c1|freaky> hi all. ive installed the ati driver by hand (manual installation) now adept wants to upgrade fglrx-kernel-source ... is it ok if it does that - if not how can i prevent it from trying that in future
[04:48] <eth01> Could not find a suitable SSL library (GnuTLS, libnss or OpenSSL) << whats this
[04:49] <fdoving> eth01: you need libssl-dev
[04:49] <eth01> ok
[04:49] <eth01> apt-get?
[04:49] <fdoving> yes, or adept, or aptitude. the one you prefer.
[04:50] <eth01> ok :D
[04:51] <Camaxtli> You forgot Synaptic :p
[04:51] <eth01> ;p
[04:51] <eth01> k its installed lol
[04:51] <eth01> its for bitlbee
[04:51] <fdoving> synaptic is for gtk, i don't do gtk. :)
[04:52] <eth01> damn its asking for OpenSSL
[04:52] <eth01> not libssl-dev
[04:52] <eth01> and or guntls
[04:53] <fdoving> eth01: apt-cache showsrc libssl-dev
[04:53] <eth01> k sec
[04:53] <jhutchins> eth01: Howcome these things didn't get pulled as dependencies when you originally installed it?
[04:53] <neil__> can anyone explain what exactly beryl does/
[04:53] <fdoving> you'll find out it's openssl.
[04:53] <eth01> hmm 1 sec
[04:54] <fdoving> neil__: not exactly.. but it makes fancy graphics.
[04:54] <fdoving> neil__: like wobbly-windows, and fading, transparency, etc.
[04:54] <neil__> Is it easy to remove? :D I'm quite new to this
[04:55] <fdoving> neil__: #ubuntu-effects are experts on the field.
[04:55] <fdoving> eth01: you don't have to msg me the details, i know what it says. :)
[04:55] <eth01> fdoving>>> http://spookedout.org/pastebin/?page=view&id=1174920935
[04:56] <eth01> yea
[04:56] <neil__> thanks :)
[04:56] <eth01> so how come its saying openSSL isnt installed?
[04:56] <fdoving> eth01: it was a nice way of telling you that libssl-dev is infact openssl.
[04:56] <eth01> when it clearly is
[04:56] <fdoving> what is it you're trying to do?
[04:56] <eth01> use ./configure to install bitlbee
[04:56] <eth01> unless theres an easier way..
[04:57] <fdoving> why don't you just use apt-get or adept?
[04:57] <eth01> apparently its not a package on my box
[04:57] <fdoving> what version of kubuntu?
[04:57] <eth01> latest
[04:57] <fdoving> feisty?
[04:57] <fdoving> or edgy?
[04:57] <eth01> how do i find out
[04:57] <eth01> to double check
[04:57] <yeti> eth01: then you might be lacking the universe repository.
[04:57] <fdoving> 'lsb_release -sc'
[04:57] <fdoving> in a console.
[04:58] <eth01> k sec
[04:58] <eth01> edgy
[04:58] <fdoving> ok.
[04:58] <BluesKaj> hey gents , anyone know a repos that has "dvd+rw+tools_version_7.0.6" ?
[04:58] <fdoving> eth01: then, as yeti says, you need to enable the universe repository.
[04:58] <eth01> ok
[04:58] <fdoving> !repos | eth01
[04:58] <ubotu> eth01: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:58] <eth01> :) thnks
[04:59] <bigdad1e_> how do i burn .cue+.bin files with k3b?
[04:59] <chuen> Hi. Where's the best place to check which MP3 / OGG  players (portable) are compatible with Kubuntu?
[04:59] <BluesKaj> fdoving , no joy there , I'm afraid
[05:00] <fdoving> BluesKaj: it wasn't for you :)
[05:00] <bigdad1e_> how do i burn .cue+.bin files with k3b? plz
[05:01] <Camaxtli> Just open the cue file? :/
[05:01] <Camaxtli> In the program in "burn image" or something?
[05:01] <bigdad1e_> its not an image though it wont burn
[05:02] <BluesKaj> ok , coincidences do occur , fdoving :)
[05:03] <bigdad1e_> how to covert cue+bin into iso image
[05:03] <fdoving> BluesKaj: i have a google window open trying to find it for you.. hang on :
[05:03] <fdoving> :)
[05:03] <fdoving> BluesKaj: looks like feisty got it.
[05:04] <eth01> how do i enable universe from adept?
[05:04] <BluesKaj> i've been googling too , fdoving , thought I might mention on the off chance someone did a K3B upgrade like I did, now it keeps telling me the 6.1 version is out of date
[05:04] <Jucato> !universe | eth01
[05:04] <ubotu> eth01: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:05] <fdoving> BluesKaj: edgy?
[05:05] <BluesKaj> yup
[05:05] <bonbonthejon> didn't kopete have the customization patch a couple of weeks ago?
[05:06] <Jucato> for feisty
[05:06] <fdoving> BluesKaj: so.. its not backported?
[05:07] <BluesKaj> fdoving, it's not a pressing issue , ican wait for a few weeks til I upgrade to Fiesty if need be , no biggie :)
[05:07] <bonbonthejon> Jucato: yeah, not its gone
[05:07] <eth01> ive got universe already enabled because deb are enabled already?
[05:07] <Jucato> bonbonthejon: still here (on feisty) for me. try asking #ubuntu+1
[05:07] <fdoving> BluesKaj: you can also get the feisty source and compile it for edgy yourself.
[05:07] <BluesKaj> fdoving, it's backported but don't have the rpos in my sources list
[05:07] <bazatu_3> 've just tryed too install whit envy but no result
[05:08] <BluesKaj> yeah , fdoving ..I could that , thx :)
[05:08] <bazatu_3> any other sugestions
[05:08] <bazatu_3> ?
[05:10] <bazatu_3> any other suggestions to install my Nvidia Ge Force FX 5500 Agp 8x driver????
[05:10] <ins-dragonclaw> what's the console command to copy a file?
[05:10] <bazatu_3> cp
[05:11] <ins-dragonclaw> ok thanks
[05:11] <eth01> ive got openssl installed
[05:11] <eth01> so why is it saying its not :/
[05:11] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw:  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
[05:11] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: More detailed info at http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[05:12] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[05:13] <ins-dragonclaw> now for some reason my WINE refuses to work at all.
[05:13] <eth01> so why is it saying its not :/
[05:13] <bazatu_3> any other suggestions to install my Nvidia Ge Force FX 5500 Agp 8x driver????
[05:14] <eth01> ERROR: Could not find a suitable SSL library (GnuTLS, libnss or OpenSSL).
[05:14] <eth01>        This is necessary for MSN and full Jabber support.
[05:14] <[1] Kermit> is anyone having issues with Feisty Fawn and wirless cards?
[05:16] <fdoving> eth01: try to add --prefix=/usr to your ./configure
[05:17] <eth01> ok
[05:17] <eth01> still does the same fdoving
[05:18] <fdoving> eth01: strange. then get bitlbee from http://packages.ubuntu.com/bitlbee
[05:19] <BruceLeeds> hi guys, is here someone who is fit with dcop?
[05:19] <eth01> how i do that?
[05:19] <fdoving> eth01: click on 'edgy' then go to the bottom of the next page. and click 'i386'
[05:19] <eth01> yep
[05:19] <eth01> wheres this
[05:19] <fdoving> BruceLeeds: yes. what is your question?
[05:19] <ubuntu> hi
[05:20] <BruceLeeds> fdoving: great! I would like to aktivate quickbrowsers via bash
[05:20] <newbie_101> can filezilla???
[05:20] <bazatu_3> any other suggestions to install my Nvidia Ge Force FX 5500 Agp 8x driver????
[05:20] <BruceLeeds> fdoving: how to do that?
[05:21] <fdoving> BruceLeeds: what quickbrosers?
[05:22] <fdoving> BruceLeeds: ah.. the buttons on the panel, with a specified folder
[05:22] <BruceLeeds> fdoving: you know, what quickbrowser are, aren't you? for the kicker. it's an applet
[05:22] <eth01> fdoving: where can i find this egdy?
[05:22] <eth01> fdoving: where can i find this edgy?
[05:22] <dotnet__> hi all
[05:22] <BruceLeeds> fdoving: that's it yes
[05:23] <fdoving> eth01: http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bitlbee/bitlbee_1.0.3-1_i386.deb
[05:23] <eth01> kk thnks
[05:23] <fdoving> BruceLeeds: do you have more than one?
[05:23] <dotnet__> how can i find a turkkish room in kubuntu server ?
[05:23] <BruceLeeds> fdoving: yes three - I want to aktivate them via script
[05:23] <Jucato> !tk
[05:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:24] <Jucato> !tr | dotnet__
[05:24] <ubotu> dotnet__: Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[05:24] <lupul> can anyone tell me pls how to let valknut pass guarddog?
[05:24] <fdoving> BruceLeeds: i'm not sure you can.
[05:25] <BruceLeeds> fdoving: my problem is, that I can't unmount my external drives, while the quickbrowser is running. so at the moment i have to delete my quickbrowsers and add them, when I mount/unmount my ext. drive
[05:25] <bazatu_3> any other suggestions to install my Nvidia Ge Force FX 5500 Agp 8x driver????
[05:25] <fdoving> BruceLeeds: ah. i suggest using 'umount -l /some/disk' - that'll work with the quickbrowser running.
[05:26] <fdoving> BruceLeeds: i'd recommend making a script for that, instead.
[05:26] <BruceLeeds> fdoving: what does -l do?
[05:26] <eth01> where do i add http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bitlbee/bitlbee_1.0.3-1_i386.deb this<< ?
[05:26] <fdoving> BruceLeeds: try #umount in the konqueror address field and find out :)
[05:27] <lupul> does anyone know how train guarddog to let valknut download from others?
[05:27] <lupul> please
[05:29] <philfo> ok, can anyone tell me how to speed up my computer using Kubuntu?  this doesn't feel like the 3.4GHz cpu that's in my machine
[05:29] <ins-dragonclaw> eth01: did you download it?
[05:29] <eth01> ermm
[05:29] <eth01> how do i download it?
[05:29] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:29] <ins-dragonclaw> click to download?
[05:30] <eth01> yeh
[05:30] <eth01> then what
[05:30] <ins-dragonclaw> where did it download to?>
[05:30] <ins-dragonclaw> your /home folder?
[05:30] <eth01> desktop
[05:30] <ins-dragonclaw> ok
[05:31] <ins-dragonclaw> right click > Kubuntu Package Menu > Install package
[05:31] <eth01> ok
[05:31] <eth01> theres 3 files
[05:31] <eth01> lol
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> you downloaded 3, from one link? Oo
[05:32] <eth01> ahh
[05:32] <eth01> my faul
[05:32] <eth01> fauly
[05:32] <eth01> fault
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> lol....
[05:32] <eth01> i
[05:32] <eth01> untarved it
[05:32] <eth01> lol
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:33] <dotnet__> how can i download firefox for kub. ?
[05:34] <ins-dragonclaw> oh boy...
[05:34] <ins-dragonclaw> i use konqueror, so I don't know, sorry
[05:34] <dotnet__> i dont anything about kub. :(
[05:34] <ins-dragonclaw> Good news! Windows Solitaire runs under WINE! :D
[05:34] <dotnet__> i dont know
[05:34] <ins-dragonclaw> Finally - a decent solitare game...
[05:34] <BruceLeeds> fdoving: thank you very much - seams to work.
[05:35] <eth01> apparently i need net-inetd
[05:35] <philfo> is there a fix for the evolution mail bug that keeps the program from sending mail?
[05:35] <ins-dragonclaw> philfo: are you sure it's a bug?
[05:35] <ForgeAus> whats wrong with kpatience?
[05:35] <ins-dragonclaw> ForgeAus: nothing, except that I don't have it
[05:35] <philfo> I think it is.  I've got all my settings right.
[05:35] <ForgeAus> dotnet its in adept
[05:35] <philfo> or at least I thought
[05:35] <ins-dragonclaw> did you configure a SMTP account?
[05:36] <ForgeAus> ins then get it???
[05:36] <ins-dragonclaw> nah
[05:36] <ins-dragonclaw> I like solitare
[05:36] <eth01> how can i install netkit-inetd
[05:36] <ForgeAus> or aislerot (gnomes multi-patience game)
[05:36] <philfo> yeah, but I'll have to go back and see if everything is right
[05:36] <ForgeAus> the only reason I like aislerot is that it has cruel :)
[05:36] <ForgeAus> normally I prefer Kpatience tho
[05:36] <ins-dragonclaw> evolution is a gnome package, so I can't give specific help
[05:37] <ins-dragonclaw> and hello to you too, ForgeAus
[05:37] <ForgeAus> lol :) sup?
[05:37] <ins-dragonclaw> not much... :/
[05:37] <ins-dragonclaw> boredom is eating at me
[05:37] <ForgeAus> then deboredify yourself!
[05:37] <philfo> right.  I just moved to the Kubuntu desktop & want to use Kmail instead
[05:37] <philfo> but can't find it even though it's installed
[05:38] <fdoving> eth01: apt-get.
[05:38] <ForgeAus> mail isn't my forte
[05:38] <ins-dragonclaw> philfo:
[05:38] <ins-dragonclaw> open konsole
[05:38] <philfo> gotcha.  thanks.  I've got plenty of other issues to iron out as well
[05:38] <ins-dragonclaw> and type kmail
[05:38] <BluesKaj> fdoving, if I change the backports in the sources list from edgy to fiesty , will that give me access fiesty pkgs?
[05:38] <ForgeAus> fdoving or adept (kubuntu's gui package manager)
[05:38] <ins-dragonclaw> even better - use Kontact
[05:39] <ForgeAus> blueskaj possibly
[05:39] <fdoving> ForgeAus: yes. correct.
[05:39] <eth01> apt-get what
[05:39] <ins-dragonclaw> apt-get install netkit-inetd
[05:39] <fdoving> BluesKaj: no, not backports, as there are no feisty-backports yet.
[05:39] <ForgeAus> apt-get install <packagename>
[05:39] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[05:39] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:39] <ForgeAus> use sudo on the front of it tho
[05:39] <ins-dragonclaw> mhmm
[05:39] <ForgeAus> ie:
[05:39] <eth01> LOL.. >> : Type 'http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bitlbee/bitlbee_1.0.3-1_i386.deb' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:39] <fdoving> BluesKaj: edgy-backports are packages for feisty backported to edgy. feisty-backports will be packages for feisty+1 backported to feisty.
[05:39] <ins-dragonclaw> unless you hacked kubuntu and are logged in as root
[05:39] <ForgeAus> sudo apt-get install <insert packagename here>
[05:40] <fdoving> eth01: that's not for sources.list. that was for you to download and install manually.
[05:40] <eth01> ahh
[05:40] <eth01> ill remove it
[05:40] <fdoving> please do.
[05:40] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:40] <ins-dragonclaw> or suffer what fate?
[05:40] <ForgeAus> (if you want an interface to it, in curses use aptitude or in gui go to the k-menu and add/remove packages which starts adept)
[05:40] <eth01> ins stop saying lol
[05:40] <eth01> im a n00b
[05:40] <eth01> :(
[05:40] <ins-dragonclaw> no
[05:40] <ins-dragonclaw> L)
[05:40] <ins-dragonclaw> oops
[05:40] <ForgeAus> why is it I always end up in #Kubuntu when I'm running XP
[05:40] <eth01> lol
[05:40] <BluesKaj> ok, fdoving what about "main restricted universe multiverse ' ?
[05:40] <ins-dragonclaw> okay, 3 hours of sleep is not enough
[05:40] <ForgeAus> and in #windows while I'm in Kubuntu?
[05:41] <ins-dragonclaw> ForgeAus: Windows is trying to tell you something
[05:41] <ins-dragonclaw> and kubuntu is showing off
[05:41] <fdoving> eth01: it's ok to be new. download the package with konqueror. then right-click on it in the konqueror-filemanager. kubuntu menu -> install.
[05:41] <eth01> damn the apt database cant be opened
[05:41] <eth01> what should i do
[05:41] <ins-dragonclaw> i personally just use sudo dpkg -i <package name>
[05:41] <LtKermit> has anyone installed Fesity Fawn?
[05:42] <ins-dragonclaw> I wonder what Feisty+1 is gonna be called...
[05:42] <ForgeAus> LtKermit I'm not among them but I'm sure lots of people have
[05:42] <ForgeAus> greedy goat?
[05:42] <ins-dragonclaw> Probably Grumpy Goat or something...
[05:42] <ForgeAus> I don't know
[05:42] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:42] <ForgeAus> anyway for fiesty theres #ubuntu+1
[05:42] <ins-dragonclaw> great minds think alike ... yet fools never differ ... :|
[05:42] <eth01> where can i edit the sources list?
[05:42] <fdoving> BluesKaj: yeah. those will give you access to feisty packages. but i'm not sure i will advice doing it.
[05:43] <ForgeAus> eth either in adept choose manage repositories
[05:43] <fdoving> BluesKaj: unless you also start pinning those pakcages to a lower priority than your edgy packages.
[05:43] <eth01> never mind done it
[05:43] <ForgeAus> or use some other package manager with inbuilt sources.list editor
[05:43] <eth01> wouldnt open
[05:43] <fdoving> LtKermit: i run feisty.
[05:43] <ForgeAus> or use kdesu kate (or kwrite) /var/apt/sources.list
[05:43] <ins-dragonclaw> batteries don't taste good
[05:43] <fdoving> eth01: kmenu -> run command -> 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[05:43] <ForgeAus> (assuming I got the path correct)
[05:43] <fdoving> ForgeAus: /etc , but else correct :)
[05:43] <LtKermit> ok, I joined #kubuntu+1 :-) to ask my question, thanks
[05:43] <VR_> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:43] <ForgeAus> ahh yes etc! sorry... I knew something was off there...
[05:44] <eth01> the moral of the story is dont put in dodgey sources links
[05:44] <eth01> lol
[05:44] <ForgeAus> LtKermit *ubuntu*+1 not *Kubuntu*+1
[05:44] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:44] <ForgeAus> persoanlly I wish there was also a #kubuntu+1)
[05:44] <ins-dragonclaw> [Error]  #kubuntu+1: No such channel.
[05:44] <ins-dragonclaw> lol....
[05:44] <LtKermit> oh yes, my bad :-)
[05:45] <eth01> what is the +1
[05:45] <eth01> lagged
[05:45] <ForgeAus> ins what client are you using?
[05:45] <eth01> or something
[05:45] <ins-dragonclaw> +1 version up
[05:45] <eth01> ah
[05:45] <ForgeAus> most of them will make a channel that doesn't exist
[05:45] <eth01> :P
[05:45] <ins-dragonclaw> ForgeAus: Konversation
[05:45] <ins-dragonclaw> I know
[05:45] <N6REJ> good moring
[05:45] <ins-dragonclaw> I did /info #kubuntu+1
[05:45] <ForgeAus> if you join it that is
[05:45] <ForgeAus> ahh IC
[05:45] <ins-dragonclaw> not /join #kubuntu+1 lol
[05:45] <eth01> yay it worked:P
[05:45] <ForgeAus> you must have just missed me
[05:45] <eXistenZ> Hello, I closed the terminal while apt-get was running, what can I do?
[05:45] <ins-dragonclaw> morning, N6REJ
[05:45] <ForgeAus> cos I was in there breifly about the time you'd have done that command
[05:45] <ins-dragonclaw> eXistenZ: reopen the terminal and restart
[05:46] <eXistenZ> ins-dragonclaw: It is still locked
[05:46] <ins-dragonclaw> *waves claws* I don't know
[05:46] <bazatu_3> any other suggestions to install my Nvidia Ge Force FX 5500 Agp 8x driver????
[05:47] <newbie_101> filezilla
[05:47] <eth01> ash: cd: bitlbee: Permission denied < im even using sudo ?
[05:47] <philfo> morning N6REJ
[05:47] <N6REJ> morning
[05:48] <[pyro] > N6REJ: only by an hour ;)
[05:49] <frank___> hi
[05:49] <LtKermit> I am having issues with my wireless PC card anyone able to offer some assistance?
[05:49] <jhutchins> !adept crash fix | eXistenZ
[05:49] <ubotu> eXistenZ: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:49] <N6REJ> lol, was outside talking to the phone guy, we've had problems with our pots and couldn't figure out why....... bad dsl filter LOL
[05:49] <Fr3nCjjjj> hi all
[05:50] <chuck> anyone able to help me playing encrypted DVDs? i've tried a few FAQs and think i have some conflicts
[05:50] <N6REJ> morning pyro
[05:50] <frank___> i have a problem installing kubuntu. The CD boots and then I get a blank (black)
[05:50] <jhutchins> LtKermit: There are so many different possible cards it's easier to follow the web pages.
[05:50] <chijin> frank___: try safe graphics mode
[05:50] <ins-dragonclaw> frank___: how much RAM do you have?
[05:50] <frank___> my graphics card is a geforce 7600 gt
[05:50] <frank___> 2 gig
[05:50] <jhutchins> !wifi | LtKermit
[05:50] <ubotu> LtKermit: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:50] <N6REJ> ewwwwwwwwwww I'm jealous!
[05:50] <ins-dragonclaw> okay
[05:50] <ins-dragonclaw> don't be
[05:51] <N6REJ> is that a ati chipset?
[05:51] <ins-dragonclaw> for all that ram the livecd won't work :)
[05:51] <LtKermit> ok I will check those out, for some reason my card just is no longer there
[05:51] <frank___> i assume(!) kubuntu can't load the drivers for the card
[05:51] <N6REJ> hahahhaaha
[05:51] <eXistenZ> jhutchins: Do you use anti-aliasing?
[05:51] <N6REJ> tooo funny
[05:51] <frank___> the knuppox aiglx cd doesn't boot either
[05:51] <jhutchins> eXistenZ: for fonts?
[05:51] <ins-dragonclaw> maybe the disk is damaged?
[05:51] <frojnd> Go to System->Preferences->Desktop Effects, click the 'Enable Desktop Effects' button.  Can't find that Enable Desktop Effects button..
[05:51] <frojnd> can someone tell me where it si
[05:51] <N6REJ> philfo: how did it go last night?
[05:51] <eXistenZ> jhutchins: yeah
[05:52] <frank___> chijin: which boot parameter?
[05:52] <Fr3nCjjjj> i have a ethernet router D-Link 524T and i don't can use adept manager....maybe the port used is closed? help
[05:52] <ins-dragonclaw> kubuntu and geforce have a good understanding, so it's likely not your card
[05:52] <chuck> frojnd: need to install the correct video drivers first i think
[05:52] <jhutchins> frank___: You might be able to get it installed in text mode then enable the card.
[05:52] <chijin> frank___: there's a safe mode in the live cd menu
[05:52] <bazatu_3> any other suggestions to install my Nvidia Ge Force FX 5500 Agp 8x driver????
[05:52] <jhutchins> frank___: The alternate CD.
[05:52] <N6REJ> Fr3nCjjjj: do you have iptables setup?
[05:52] <chuck> bazatu_3: you have any luck with envy?
[05:52] <bazatu_3> no :-s
[05:52] <chuck> what have you tried so far bazatu_3?
[05:52] <jhutchins> eXistenZ: I think it's on by default for me.
[05:52] <frojnd> chuck: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx and than  rename "nv" into "nvidia" ?
[05:52] <N6REJ> bazatu_3: I have the 5200 and it works without a problem
[05:53] <frank___> i' downloading kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso from http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/releases/kubuntu/edgy/
[05:53] <Fr3nCjjjj> N6REJ i don't think.... i'm a newbe :)
[05:53] <frank___> jhutchins: is this the right cd?
[05:53] <chuck> frojnd: I downloaded the driver from the nvidia website and followed their instructions. make sure you get the right version for your card
[05:53] <ins-dragonclaw> sounds right
[05:53] <N6REJ> frojnd: should I do that too? I haven't yet.
[05:53] <ins-dragonclaw> assuming you don't have a powerpc or amd64
[05:53] <chuck> frojnd: the script even updated the xorg.conf file
[05:53] <frank___> no, core2duo
[05:53] <jhutchins> frank___: See where it says "Alternate install CD" there?
[05:54] <ins-dragonclaw> *cedes to jhutchins*
[05:54] <N6REJ> hang on I have to make a todo of stuff
[05:54] <frank___> jhutchins: no o_O
[05:54] <frojnd> chuck: I  have fx5500
[05:54] <chuck> frojnd: i'll get you the link
[05:54] <jhutchins> frank___: 'bout 16 lines down on my screen.
[05:54] <frojnd> chuck: TNX
[05:55] <frank___> lol
[05:55] <ForgeAus> hehehe
[05:55] <chuck> frojnd: what processor do you have?
[05:56] <iNaNimAtE> If one is running Feisty testing 4, is there an easy way to upgrade to the beta 7.04 without wiping the hard drive? (apt-get dist-upgrade?)
[05:56] <N6REJ> darn it!
[05:56] <frojnd> chuck: it's 256mb nvidia
[05:56] <chuck> frojnd: what CPU (amd 64, pentium 4, etc?)
[05:56] <N6REJ> can't I have just one program that does mail, calendar, todo, etc???
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> iNaNimAtE: do you have all the most recent updates?
[05:56] <frojnd> chuck: amd 64
[05:56] <N6REJ> and will make noise when I have to do something!
[05:56] <frank___> wtf
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> where would i find kde's power saving options?
[05:56] <frojnd> chuck: but I have feisty 386
[05:56] <frank___> frank@0x711 {~} $ links -dump http://kubuntu.org/download.php | grep -i alternate |wc -l
[05:56] <frank___> 2
[05:57] <frank___> <- blind
[05:57] <Daisuke_Ido> because, i found monitor power saving...
[05:57] <ForgeAus> there will be a distro upgrade wizard
[05:57] <jhutchins> N6REJ: kontact is a merge of kmail, kalendar, etc.
[05:57] <ForgeAus> for feisty
[05:57] <iNaNimAtE> Daisuke_Ido: I run apt-get update/upgrade pretty regularly... I'm sure I'm missing a couple, but I could run it right now if necessary.
[05:57] <ForgeAus> not sure if its made/working yet
[05:57] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Will probably do what you want.
[05:57] <Daisuke_Ido> iNaNimAtE: do that and you'll already be at beta
[05:57] <N6REJ> jhutchins: will it work with ical?
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> N6REJ: you don't use Kontact?! :O
[05:57] <ForgeAus> but adept tries to load a Kubuntu distribution upgrade tool nowerdays (Probably if you have proposed in your repositories)
[05:57] <frank___> if i search within my browser it doesn't find any matches to "alte"
[05:57] <frank___> lol
[05:57] <chuck> frojnd: never worked with one, but try this:
[05:57] <chuck> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-9755.html
[05:57] <jhutchins> frank___: http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/releases/kubuntu/edgy/kubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso
[05:58] <iNaNimAtE> Daisuke_Ido: Oh, OK. When the official Feisty 7.04 comes out, would the same apply? (Running update/upgrade and you're already there?)
[05:58] <frojnd> chuck: ok
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i would imagine so
[05:58] <chuck> frojnd: For this, you'll need to exit out of the X server back to a shell, and run that script as sudo
[05:58] <frank___> jhutchins: thanks ;p
[05:58] <jhutchins> http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/releases/kubuntu/edgy/kubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[05:58] <N6REJ> no I found lightening for TB and tried that but it only does a popup on events and I can't figure out how to add a "task" instead of event
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know for sure, but my best guess is yes, it would
[05:58] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: my wife has the mac so I want it to work with her ical
[05:58] <chuck> frojnd: if it doesn't work and you need to back out. edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and change the driver line from nvidia to nv
[05:59] <chuck> frojnd: you comfortable doing all that?
[05:59] <frojnd> chuck: will this work even I've installed feisty 386 and not amd 64 version
[05:59] <N6REJ> so we can send appointments to/from each other and share the calendar
[05:59] <iNaNimAtE> Daisuke_Ido: OK, thanks. What does dist-upgrade do then?
[05:59] <ins-dragonclaw> Mail | Contacts | Calendar | To-do list | Journal | News | Notes | Feeds | Synchronisation
[05:59] <frojnd> chuck: yes
[05:59] <ins-dragonclaw> ok so Ical is the Mac calendar?
[05:59] <N6REJ> yes
[05:59] <kelsa|martalli> iNaNimAtE, it will remove package to make the most upgrades possible
[05:59] <chuck> frojnd: no idea there. if you haven't installed the amd 64 ubuntu i think you may need another one, let me get another link for ya
[05:59] <frojnd> chuck: /etc/init.d/kdm stop ? to stop server
[05:59] <frojnd> chuck: great
[05:59] <LtKermit> thank you ubotu, I think I found something in that link that will help, now I just need to get home and try it, thanks again!
[06:00] <jhutchins> iNaNimAtE: One of the reasons for making a distinctly different version and releasing it only after beta testing is that there may be significant changes to things like the C compiler, or to the way certain tasks are handled.  For that reason, you need to do a dist-upgrade, and for feisty there's a special tool being tested.  See https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade for more info.
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> interesting option: Import from UNIX Ical tool
[06:00] <chuck> frojnd: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html may work. try this first
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> sound helpful?
[06:00] <chuck> crtl + alt + backspace may work for stopping X
[06:00] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: yep!
[06:00] <chuck> !x
[06:00] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> you need the ical file in your home directory
[06:00] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace only restarts X
[06:00] <chuck> ohh.... woops
[06:00] <chuck> ehh....... try to log out and change your login preference at the menu?   =)  don't remember
[06:00] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: ok, thats goig to be another toddo LOL
[06:00] <chuck> i usually end up there b/c something broke   =\
[06:00] <ForgeAus> xrandr also can be used for screen res if a program alters it
[06:01] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[06:01] <N6REJ> ok, so no tb, us kontact?
[06:01] <iNaNimAtE> kelsa|martalli: Ah, that sounds dangerous =). jhutchins: Yeah, I saw that. It seemed as if you had to be running Edgy rather than a Feisty testing, but maybe it'd work.
[06:01] <deviance> How would I go about getting a package removed becasue its empty?
[06:01] <ins-dragonclaw> just export from the mac and send it over
[06:01] <ForgeAus> (and you want to choose a different one)
[06:01] <jhutchins> kalendar will handle iCal.
[06:01] <N6REJ> jhutchins: and thats part of kontact?
[06:01] <ins-dragonclaw> jhutchins: He knows. lol. but he has to get the .ical file
[06:01] <iNaNimAtE> N6REJ: Yes.
[06:01] <ForgeAus> but I doubt it would change the default
[06:01] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: there is no files yet, we are just setting the network up
[06:01] <N6REJ> ok.
[06:01] <ins-dragonclaw> ahha
[06:01] <N6REJ> give me a minute to dumb tb
[06:02] <jhutchins> iNaNimAtE: Oh, yeah, for you just updates should bring you the final release.
[06:02] <N6REJ> dump even
[06:02] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[06:02] <jhutchins> iNaNimAtE: But they'd know better in #ubuntu+1
[06:02] <ins-dragonclaw> dumb also works ... ;)
[06:02] <iNaNimAtE> jhutchins: Oh, nice. I'll check that out. Thank you.
[06:03] <deviance> How would I go about getting a package removed becasue its empty?
[06:03] <chuck> deviance: does apt-get remove work?
[06:03] <ForgeAus> empty packages? thats strange
[06:03] <deviance> I mean from the repositorys
[06:03] <ForgeAus> are you sure it isn't a metapacakge?
[06:03] <ins-dragonclaw> aptitude?
[06:03] <Xbehave> ive got a probelm with my cd drives on edgy. It stops copying tracks or encoding them after about 1 track
[06:03] <ForgeAus> (like kubuntu-desktop for example)
[06:03] <ins-dragonclaw> Xbehave: it's probably the CD
[06:03] <newbie_101> i am trying to compile a source but it says wx-config is missing
[06:03] <ins-dragonclaw> i've gotten that problem before
[06:04] <neil__> how do I install subversion?
[06:04] <neil__> I need it in order to allow beryl to get more themes...
[06:04] <jhutchins> Xbehave: You can try cleaning it.
[06:04] <neil__> is it as easy as adding it through synaptic?
[06:04] <ins-dragonclaw> Okay. Unofficial Nerd #444800 is now Off Duty
[06:04] <eth01> damn.... how come i get permission denied when i try to cd to bitlbee
[06:04] <ForgeAus> for Kubuntu its generally adept instead of synaptic
[06:04] <eth01> bash: cd: bitlbee: Permission denied
[06:04] <ForgeAus> (althought here was a Kynaptic at some point, kinda discontued-ish nowerdays. I think arklinux uses it)
[06:05] <ForgeAus> which reminds me I should mess around with it again :)
[06:05] <Camaxtli> eth01: try ls -ila on bitlbee and check the view permissions.
[06:05] <bazatu_3> i tryed that and i get only the Nvidia logo
[06:05] <eth01> ok
[06:05] <Xbehave> hmm im fairly sure its not the cd ill do a last check
[06:05] <jhutchins> !permission | eth01
[06:05] <ubotu> eth01: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[06:05] <joaquin> donde estan los espaoles
[06:05] <eth01> ls -ila
[06:05] <eth01> opps
[06:06] <eth01> drwx------  << its that
[06:06] <eth01> does it need the x
[06:06] <Jucato> !es | joaquin
[06:06] <ubotu> joaquin: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:07] <N6REJ> jhutchins: query?
[06:07] <eilker> i have problem with time, it shows 22:06 but now it is 19:06
[06:07] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Hm?  Fire away.
[06:07] <eilker> when i try to set, i see that it is 19:06 , but display is 22:06
[06:07] <eilker> any idea ?
[06:08] <Camaxtli> eth01: x symbolizes that it can be executed. And from what I gather it's set to 700 which basically means only root can use the dir.
[06:08] <eth01> ok
[06:08] <eth01> so set what then
[06:08] <Xbehave> its not the cd because file by file i can copy it but when i try the more than a file it stops around 1 (sometimes not even 1 in k3b)
[06:09] <Camaxtli> Just read up on permissions and how you can set it so all users can view it
[06:09] <bazatu_3> how do i known if my video card nvidia is working correctly?
[06:09] <eth01> hmm
[06:09] <eth01> i set +x
[06:09] <eth01> it seems empty :/
[06:09] <jhutchins> I gotta go get started with the wrenches, l8r.
[06:09] <Camaxtli> +x = executable iirc
[06:10] <eth01> its bitlbee :/
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> ./bitlbee ?
[06:10] <Xbehave> bazatu_3 is it a specific problem? what drivers do you have?
[06:10] <eth01> no im trying to cd into it
[06:10] <eth01> but its empty
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> okay...
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> did you try ls -A ?
[06:10] <eth01> but its the home directory so surely it must have files
[06:10] <eth01> sec
[06:10] <bazatu_3> the basic drivers
[06:10] <eilker> !time
[06:10] <ubotu> time: The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7-21 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 144 kB
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> !clock
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <Camaxtli> eth01: Did you create it using sudo?
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> lol...
[06:10] <eth01> package manager
[06:11] <eth01> its a .#deb
[06:11] <eth01> its a .deb
[06:11] <ins-dragonclaw> i wonder...
[06:11] <ins-dragonclaw> !myself
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <ins-dragonclaw> haha
[06:11] <eth01> !bitlbee
[06:11] <ubotu> bitlbee: An IRC to other chat networks gateway. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1 (edgy), package size 297 kB, installed size 768 kB
[06:11] <eth01> ^^
[06:11] <Xbehave> it may be the basic drivers causing the problem try the nvidia drivers
[06:11] <Xbehave> !nvidia
[06:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:12] <bazatu_3> i just downloaded from the nvidia site but when i try to install i get an error:No Precompiled Kernel
[06:13] <bazatu_3> and gcc-version-chec failed
[06:13] <eth01> ive found the conf etc. where do i start it though?
[06:14] <ins-dragonclaw> eth01: what's the file called?
[06:14] <ins-dragonclaw> bitlbee.conf ?
[06:14] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: If you want to explore the bot it's polite to use /msg
[06:14] <eth01> bitlbee.conf
[06:14] <eth01> yep
[06:14] <N6REJ> back
[06:14] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[06:14] <ins-dragonclaw> are there any .pl files?
[06:14] <eth01> nah
[06:14] <bazatu_3> and another erorr/usr/src/nv/conftest.sh:line19:cc: comand not found
[06:14] <ins-dragonclaw> .sh ?
[06:14] <eth01> this is /etc/bitlbee/
[06:15] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[06:15] <eth01> the home directory is /usr/lib/bitlbee << gives me permission denied though
[06:15] <Camaxtli> :/
[06:15] <ins-dragonclaw> odd
[06:15] <N6REJ> eth01: type whoami
[06:15] <Camaxtli> eth01: Those are the libraries the program uses
[06:15] <bazatu_3> and says:could not compile gcc.version-check
[06:15] <eth01> tmarkey
[06:15] <eth01> it says
[06:16] <ins-dragonclaw> ins-dragonclaw@Draken:/usr/bin$ whoami
[06:16] <ins-dragonclaw> ins-dragonclaw
[06:16] <ins-dragonclaw> ....
[06:16] <ins-dragonclaw> my pc's powers of observation are astonishing...
[06:16] <N6REJ> lol
[06:16] <N6REJ> eth01: what are the permissions of that file?
[06:16] <eth01> which 1
[06:16] <N6REJ> wait, why is home /usr/lib?
[06:17] <eth01> Setting up bitlbee (1.0.3-1) ...
[06:17] <eth01> Adding system user `bitlbee' with uid 108...
[06:17] <eth01> Adding new user `bitlbee' (108) with group `nogroup'.
[06:17] <eth01> Creating home directory `/var/lib/bitlbee/'.
[06:17] <eth01> ...
[06:17] <ins-dragonclaw> oh boy it has it's own user
[06:17] <N6REJ> OH!
[06:17] <eth01> ahh
[06:17] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo --user bitlbee <whatever> ?
[06:17] <eth01> so login with bitlvee?
[06:17] <eth01> ok
[06:18] <N6REJ> permissio denied because your not part of its group
[06:18] <Xbehave> k3b has froxen is there an easy way to fine out why?
[06:18] <BluesKaj> what are the multiverse universe and security pkg repos named as in the sources list .."fiesty fawn" or.... ?  the ppl at #ubuntu+1 aren't answering my question
[06:18] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo -u #108 <commands>
[06:18] <frojnd> chuck: yeah! it works and the best part is it's fully support ;)
[06:18] <eth01> ok
[06:18] <eth01> with the # ?
[06:18] <ins-dragonclaw> try it
[06:18] <frojnd> I just needed to install build-essential so nvida was able to recompile the module :)
[06:18] <ins-dragonclaw> if it fails remove the #
[06:18] <N6REJ> eth01: cause there is no "nogroup"
[06:18] <eth01> ok
[06:19] <ins-dragonclaw> !bitlbee
[06:19] <ubotu> bitlbee: An IRC to other chat networks gateway. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1 (edgy), package size 297 kB, installed size 768 kB
[06:19] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: was it ok to install clamav before I'm ready to config it?
[06:19] <ins-dragonclaw> so what exactly -IS- bitlbee anyway?
[06:19] <ins-dragonclaw> clamav?
[06:19] <ins-dragonclaw> are you installing kontact from skratch?
[06:20] <eth01> puts all of your im contacts into a virtual local running IRC channel
[06:20] <c1|freaky> all console stuff suddenly has a strange font - can someone tell me what happened?
[06:20] <N6REJ> NO
[06:20] <ins-dragonclaw> okokok don't shout O.o
[06:20] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: just installed the kdepim meta-package
[06:20] <eth01> lol
[06:20] <N6REJ> sorry! haven't had my coffee yet.
[06:20] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[06:20] <c1|freaky> eth01: and what can u do then? just /msg them and stuff?
[06:20] <eth01> yup
[06:20] <ins-dragonclaw> well, i wouldn't know, N6REJ - my Kubuntu came with kontact preinstalled
[06:20] <eth01> but its a bugger to install
[06:20] <eth01> it has its own user
[06:20] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[06:20] <c1|freaky> eth01: and can u do that on a server too or do u have to have any program running?
[06:21] <ins-dragonclaw> that's why i have kopete :P
[06:21] <c1|freaky> like kopete
[06:21] <c1|freaky> which it works with
[06:21] <eth01> you can bind it to an available IP
[06:21] <eth01> with a PORT
[06:21] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: OH, ok mine didn't apparently
[06:21] <c1|freaky> can u set ur f.e. ICQ information somewhere and it logs in loads the contact list and let ppl join an irc channel?
[06:21] <waxyfresh> whats the mac style menu bar named?
[06:21] <ins-dragonclaw> O.O
[06:21] <c1|freaky> that'd be strange
[06:22] <ins-dragonclaw> ICQ to IRC...
[06:22] <ins-dragonclaw> that's like microsoft going opensource
[06:22] <c1|freaky> cuz u usually have connection limits
[06:22] <N6REJ> hahahhaaha
[06:22] <eth01> yer lol :/
[06:22] <eth01> btw
[06:22] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: now this is werid..... kontact WAS installed by default but was not showing up in adept!
[06:22] <eth01> when i do sudo etc etc with the # it doesnt come bk with any listings
[06:22] <eth01> so it might actually be empty
[06:22] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: I threw it away from my dock
[06:23] <frojnd> OK I've installed nvidia newest drivers for my card, but still don't know where is this button: Go to System->Preferences->Desktop Effects, click the 'Enable Desktop Effects' button.
[06:23] <ins-dragonclaw> N6REJ: did you set that little dropdown box at the top to "Any Suite" ?
[06:23] <ins-dragonclaw> oh boy i'm losing windows everywhere
[06:23] <eth01> sudo -u bitlbee #108 ls << correct?
[06:23] <N6REJ> no
[06:24] <ins-dragonclaw> try it then
[06:24] <N6REJ> k
[06:24] <ins-dragonclaw> eth01: no
[06:24] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo -u bitlbee ls -A
[06:24] <eth01> oh ok
[06:24] <eth01> ahh
[06:24] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo <perform as another user> [User:Bitlbee]  [Command: ls -A] 
[06:24] <eth01> that worked. it looks empty
[06:24] <ins-dragonclaw> o...kay
[06:25] <ins-dragonclaw> was the package 0kb to download?
[06:25] <eth01> im not sure wether thats gd or bad
[06:25] <eth01> no
[06:25] <eth01> it was a .deb
[06:25] <ins-dragonclaw> this is weird
[06:25] <eth01> 297 kb
[06:25] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: uhhh? where is this drop-down box????????
[06:25] <ins-dragonclaw> !bitlbee
[06:25] <ubotu> bitlbee: An IRC to other chat networks gateway. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1 (edgy), package size 297 kB, installed size 768 kB
[06:25] <eth01> yea
[06:25] <ins-dragonclaw> should be at the top of adept install manager
[06:26] <ins-dragonclaw> next to the search box
[06:26] <eth01> il check
[06:26] <ins-dragonclaw> !adept crash fix
[06:26] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:26] <Xbehave> k3b has crashed how can i find out if it was ripper or encoder
[06:26] <ins-dragonclaw> my adept died...
[06:26] <waxyfresh> can i get any transparency without installing kde?
[06:26] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: nope and I've never seen that option before
[06:27] <ins-dragonclaw> kdesu adept_installer
[06:27] <ins-dragonclaw> there's a searchbox in the upper left corner
[06:27] <ins-dragonclaw> next to it a dropdown box
[06:27] <ins-dragonclaw> set to KDE by default
[06:28] <Xbehave> waxyfresh you can try bery
[06:28] <Xbehave> *beryl
[06:28] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: want me to run that from con?
[06:28] <ins-dragonclaw> that's the command that has to run, so yes
[06:28] <N6REJ> can I send you a pic?
[06:28] <ins-dragonclaw> via dcc?
[06:28] <N6REJ> *shrug
[06:28] <N6REJ> never tried before
[06:28] <ins-dragonclaw> okay - then how do you plan on sending?
[06:29] <N6REJ> wait, let me try that first
[06:29] <ins-dragonclaw> k
[06:29] <ins-dragonclaw> you -could- have emailed it to me, but oh well...
[06:30] <N6REJ> "command adept-installer" not found
[06:30] <ins-dragonclaw> underscore not dash
[06:30] <N6REJ> let me see if its installed
[06:30] <ins-dragonclaw> adept _ installer
[06:30] <ins-dragonclaw> not adept - installer
[06:30] <N6REJ> OH THAT ... thats the "add programs" thing
[06:31] <ins-dragonclaw> exactly
[06:31] <neil__> does k/ubuntu come with any built in ftp clients? or could someone recommend one?
[06:31] <N6REJ> ok hardly use it
[06:31] <fdoving> neil__: konqueror supports ftp:/
[06:31] <N6REJ> ok, I'm in any suite now
[06:31] <ins-dragonclaw> neil__: I think konqueror does ftp, but i;m not sure
[06:31] <ins-dragonclaw> oh wait
[06:31] <ins-dragonclaw> i'm being silly
[06:31] <ins-dragonclaw> yes, it can do ftp
[06:31] <ins-dragonclaw> it's called "Remote Folders"
[06:31] <raffytaffy> i like wuftp
[06:32] <ins-dragonclaw> integrated with Konqueror
[06:32] <ins-dragonclaw> not at all, N6REJ :)
[06:32] <N6REJ> ok, now that I have "any suite" what do you want me to do?
[06:32] <ins-dragonclaw> in the "Office" category in the sidebar
[06:32] <ins-dragonclaw> Kontact should be there
[06:32] <N6REJ> yep
[06:33] <neil__> thanks guys :)
[06:33] <frojnd> !aptfix
[06:33] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:33] <N6REJ> yep and installed... its fine now I found it in my programs folder
[06:33] <ins-dragonclaw> you're welcome, neil__
[06:33] <frojnd> hm
[06:33] <frojnd> aaaaaaaaa
[06:33] <frojnd> aptfix doesn't help
[06:33] <N6REJ> everythings back as it was except for konqueror, I don't have that in the doc cause I rarely use it.
[06:33] <ins-dragonclaw> ok N6REJ. start it up ...
[06:34] <ins-dragonclaw> lol ok
[06:34] <WorldBFree> can i install kubuntu from an .iso saved to a hard disk...  i dont have a current installation of any sort of linux but do have a live cd of another distro that uses grub
[06:34] <frojnd> it's still: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the list directory what can I do?
[06:34] <N6REJ> starting
[06:34] <frojnd> this is when I try sudo apt-get update (before I close it not intend to)
[06:34] <raffytaffy> fronjnd: open system terminal
[06:34] <ins-dragonclaw> frojnd: try ps -A | grep apt
[06:34] <raffytaffy> and see what is running
[06:34] <jetsaredim> /ubuntu
[06:34] <ins-dragonclaw> are there any results?
[06:34] <fdoving> frojnd: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/apt/lists/lock' ?
[06:34] <Xbehave> i cant kill k3b atall!
[06:34] <N6REJ> can I have it hide what channel I'm in unless I ask to seeit?
[06:35] <fdoving> frojnd: aptfix does the same for another file.
[06:35] <ins-dragonclaw> Xbehave: what is the PID for K3b ?
[06:35] <raffytaffy> Xbehave : try "killall k3b"
[06:35] <frojnd> fdoving: very nice :))
[06:35] <ins-dragonclaw> or kill -9 <pid of k3b>
[06:35] <ins-dragonclaw> N6REJ: woah, slow down there...
[06:35] <fdoving> ins-dragonclaw: or even kill -9 $(pidof k3b) ;)
[06:36] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: hang on wife came in... gotta handle this report
[06:36] <ins-dragonclaw> dollarsigns remind me of microsoft, so no thanks :)
[06:36] <ins-dragonclaw> ok
[06:36] <eilker> !fix adept crash
[06:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix adept crash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <ins-dragonclaw> I never thought my days as IRC server admin would come in handy on linux...
[06:36] <ins-dragonclaw> !adept crash fix
[06:36] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:36] <fdoving> ins-dragonclaw: ok, use backticks then kill -9 `pidof k3b` :)
[06:36] <raffytaffy> ins-dragonclaw : http://humorix.org/articles/2006/11/hades/    i think this will intrest u
[06:37] <frojnd> hm, what's the difference: apt-get vs adept
[06:37] <ins-dragonclaw> adept is the gui interface, i think
[06:37] <ins-dragonclaw> aptitude runs in the terminal
[06:37] <fdoving> frojnd: they do the same. apt-get is for console, adept is qt graphical interface.
[06:37] <Xbehave> WorldBFree i think its hard you none of the above worked
[06:37] <ins-dragonclaw> and apt-* is a commandline program
[06:38] <frojnd> aptitude not?
[06:38] <Xbehave> non of the above worked
[06:38] <fdoving> frojnd: aptitude is also a fronted to the same. so is synaptic
[06:38] <frojnd> I used to do that in terminal: sudo aptitude smth
[06:39] <ins-dragonclaw> raffytaffy: LOL
[06:39] <raffytaffy> :))
[06:39] <ins-dragonclaw> So MS has competition after all... ;)
[06:39] <Xbehave> WorldBFree: what i meant to say before i forgot how to split sentances up was. its hard you need a specail bootloader
[06:39] <waxyfresh> aptitude says i have 20 broken packages and wants to uninstall 698 mbs of usefull stuff,my package list is fro source-o-matic.what should i do?
[06:39] <waxyfresh> never mind
[06:39] <grb> hi anybody knows of a good cvs client in KDE that can ADD RECURSIVELY?
[06:39] <raffytaffy> 20 BROKEN PACKAGES:O whoaaa
[06:39] <ins-dragonclaw> get 2 more mbs and burn a cd :)
[06:40] <fdoving> waxyfresh: you can sue apt-mark to fix that.
[06:40] <c1|freaky> i recently installed ubuntu-desktop on a kubuntu installation - now the console font of yakuake is small and almost not readable ... can someone tell me how i can change the font back?
[06:41] <fdoving> waxyfresh: 'sudo apt-mark unmarkauto <list-of-packages-you-want-to-keep-separated-by-spaces>'
[06:41] <WorldBFree> Xbehave: but the cd has a working grub
[06:41] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: ok, I'm ready to work again
[06:41] <ins-dragonclaw> Things are pretty slow here at Humorix. Jon Splatz took a lunch break last year and hasn't been seen since.  <--- this is the kind of humor i like :)
[06:41] <fdoving> grb: tried cervisia?
[06:41] <WorldBFree> cant i just copy those files from the cd menu.lst to wherever they need to go and then specify the image location
[06:41] <Xbehave> i think you need something special to be able to boot of an iso
[06:42] <grb> fdoving: yes, but it doesn't support add recursively.
[06:42] <ins-dragonclaw> i know how to mount iso's, but not to boot from them
[06:42] <fdoving> grb: ok, then i don't know.
[06:42] <waxyfresh> fdoving: sue?
[06:42] <ins-dragonclaw> okay N6REJ - fire away with the questions and I'll try to help
[06:42] <N6REJ> step one, I need to setup/verify my email settings for main account
[06:42] <WorldBFree> Xbehave: hmm is there any way to do a hd install?
[06:43] <WorldBFree> i have no blank cds
[06:43] <fdoving> waxyfresh: about your packages.
[06:43] <ins-dragonclaw> oh boy...
[06:43] <ins-dragonclaw> Click Mail in the sidebar, then go Settings > Configure KMail
[06:43] <N6REJ> burn the iso to a drive?
[06:44] <ins-dragonclaw> WorldBFree: :O
[06:44] <ins-dragonclaw> You use a computer and you have no blank cds?
[06:45] <WorldBFree> ins-dragonclaw: i just ran out yesterday
[06:45] <fdoving> WorldBFree: there are various ways. check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[06:45] <Xbehave> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948
[06:45] <ins-dragonclaw> !install
[06:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[06:45] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[06:45] <Xbehave> if you want it done today that may be worth a read
[06:45] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: now I'm managing identies at this point.  So am I setting up a default email account for each server at this point?
[06:45] <WorldBFree> fdoving: i saw that but it didnt mention where to store the image and if it can be booted up on a fat32 partition
[06:45] <N6REJ> or should I say each domain?
[06:46] <WorldBFree> ive done iso booting before with other distros, but each is a bit different
[06:46] <WorldBFree> im aware an iso cannot be booted up froma ntfs, but not sure about a fat32 or vfat or whatever you like to call it
[06:46] <ins-dragonclaw> N6REJ: how many email accounts do you have?
[06:46] <N6REJ> about 20
[06:47] <ins-dragonclaw> o...kay
[06:47] <N6REJ> and around 7 domains
[06:47] <ins-dragonclaw> i suppose that they're all pop3?
[06:47] <N6REJ> yes
[06:47] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay. and how many people will use kmail?
[06:47] <N6REJ> me
[06:47] <ins-dragonclaw> or kontact, same thing
[06:47] <ins-dragonclaw> JUST you?
[06:47] <N6REJ> this is MY pc
[06:47] <ins-dragonclaw> k
[06:47] <ins-dragonclaw> so you only need 1 identity then
[06:48] <soulrider_> i use Kmail
[06:48] <ins-dragonclaw> add all 20 accounts under the receiving tab
[06:48] <ins-dragonclaw> hello soulrider_
[06:48] <N6REJ> but I have 4 smtp servers that need to be used
[06:48] <ins-dragonclaw> and only add the accounts you really use to send email under the Sending tab
[06:48] <ins-dragonclaw> you set each server up indivdually
[06:48] <Xbehave> WorldBFree:  i think http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948 should work you extract the cd to a new partition then boot off it
[06:48] <N6REJ> under identity or some place else?
[06:49] <ins-dragonclaw> no, under the Sending tab in the Accounts page
[06:49] <N6REJ> ok, thats fine
[06:49] <ins-dragonclaw> Click Add -> Ok and you'll see the rest
[06:49] <soulrider_> hi ins-dragonclaw
[06:49] <N6REJ> ok, so recieve first.. let me do that.
[06:49] <N6REJ> hiya soulrider_
[06:49] <soulrider_> oh, hi N6REJ
[06:50] <ins-dragonclaw> you'll have to create all 20 accounts by hand, so it might take a while :)
[06:50] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: do I need to add a recieving account for the default account?
[06:50] <soulrider_> brb, lunch :P
[06:51] <WorldBFree> ok im going to try messing with things
[06:51] <WorldBFree> ill tell you how it goes
[06:51] <N6REJ> default identie I should say
[06:51] <ins-dragonclaw> yes
[06:51] <N6REJ> k
[06:51] <ins-dragonclaw> at least one
[06:51] <N6REJ> understood
[06:51] <ins-dragonclaw> and one Sending, if you're planning on using Kontact for email :)
[06:52] <fdoving> !away > n6rej
[06:52] <ins-dragonclaw> okay, silly question
[06:52] <Buddha|> I'm trying to install the OS-L icon set, but it complains about not being able to find 'convert'.  What package would that be in?
[06:52] <ins-dragonclaw> how do i use .tar.gz files ?
[06:52] <ins-dragonclaw> (about time i asked silly questions lol)
[06:53] <LjL> !tar
[06:53] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[06:53] <fdoving> Buddha|: graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat
[06:54] <LjL> of course, how you use the *contents* of them depends on... the contents.
[06:54] <ins-dragonclaw> yay
[06:54] <LjL> .tar.gz are just compressed archive files like many other. then if what a tarball contains is (for instance) sourcecode, you'll have to compile it - which is a very common thing for tarballs to contain
[06:54] <ins-dragonclaw> ok, weird error - apparently i have an archive full of files that Ark can see, but can't extract
[06:55] <LjL> ins-dragonclaw: perhaps you're trying to extract them to some directory that you don't have write permissions for? try extracting to your desktop directory
[06:55] <ins-dragonclaw> unzip:  cannot find zipfile directory in one of nonsense-0.6.tar.gz or
[06:55] <ins-dragonclaw> ?
[06:56] <LjL> or...?
[06:56] <ins-dragonclaw> I have write permissions in /home and all subfolders
[06:56] <ins-dragonclaw> ok ,full lines
[06:56] <LjL> (why's it calling unzip, besides, if it's a tar.gz?)
[06:56] <ins-dragonclaw> unzip:  cannot find zipfile directory in one of nonsense-0.6.tar.gz or
[06:56] <ins-dragonclaw>         nonsense-0.6.tar.gz.zip, and cannot find nonsense-0.6.tar.gz.ZIP, period.
[06:56] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[06:56] <LjL> hm
[06:56] <Buddha|> fdoving: thanks!
[06:56] <LjL> it looks like it thinks it's a ZIP file instead of a tar.gz...
[06:56] <ins-dragonclaw> wait
[06:56] <ins-dragonclaw> so how do i tell it to treat it as a .tar.gz?
[06:57] <LjL> ins-dragonclaw: i can tell you how to do it from the console, but i'm not sure why Ark is behaving that way, let me fire it up
[06:57] <ins-dragonclaw> k
[06:57] <ins-dragonclaw> well, maybe i need a restart... - wine, amarok and adept have been acting up recently
[06:57] <ins-dragonclaw> oh .... wait...
[06:57] <ins-dragonclaw> it's not ark
[06:57] <ins-dragonclaw> the file is damaged
[06:57] <LjL> ins-dragonclaw: hm, it would be weird. anyway, try extracting from the console, just to make sure the file is not corrupted
[06:58] <LjL> ha. =)
[06:58] <ins-dragonclaw> i just extracted another .tar.gz
[06:58] <grb> hi anybody knows of a good cvs client in KDE that can ADD RECURSIVELY?
[06:58] <ins-dragonclaw> ok, redownloading
[06:58] <mikeh> hi all, just used the dist upgrade tool to go from edgy to feisty, went perfectly, thanks! :)
[06:58] <jeffm> Hi, all
[06:59] <N6REJ> fdoving: oh, ok, sorry
[06:59] <LjL> grb, the two CVS clients i know about for KDE are in the packages "cervisia" and "kdesdk-misc"
[06:59] <N6REJ> morning ljl
[06:59] <LjL> hi
[06:59] <ins-dragonclaw> o  kay. nothing. LjL - what's the konsole command to extract .tar.gz files?
[06:59] <LjL> grb: no sorry, not kdesdk-misc... which was it. it was a KIO slave
[06:59] <grb> k, thnks. Cervisia doesn't support add recursively.
[07:00] <grb> ins-dragonclaw:  tar -zxvf <your file>
[07:00] <LjL> ah no i'm probably confused with SVN, perhaps there's not CVS kioslave
[07:00] <jeffm> I'm trying to use a Kubuntu box to remotely control a Vista laptop (it's work, not my choice) using Remote Desktop, but rdesktop 1.4 doesn't work with Vista.  rdesktop 1.5 does, and I can download, compile, and install the source, but I was wondering what's the "right" way to do it with Adept or apt-get?
[07:00] <LjL> ins-dragonclaw: what he said, or even just "tar xf filename" (but you probably want the verbosity in this case)
[07:01] <N6REJ> is there a way to make konversatio beep when someone trys to send me a message and I don't have my "focus" on konversation?
[07:01] <ins-dragonclaw> it worked
[07:01] <ins-dragonclaw> odd that Ark didn't work...
[07:02] <LjL> yeah, quite odd especially if it works with other files
[07:02] <Tm_T> jeffm: atleast Feisty has 1.5 so it would be easy to install via apt-get/adept
[07:02] <LjL> N6REJ: yes
[07:02] <ins-dragonclaw> Settings > Configure NOtifications
[07:02] <ins-dragonclaw> "Someone wrote your nick in a message"
[07:03] <N6REJ> perfect, found it... tyvm!  I do so much stuff its hard to know whats goig on sometimes.
[07:04] <N6REJ> and it works :D
[07:04] <ins-dragonclaw> bbl all
[07:04] <ins-dragonclaw> this dragon has to feed...
[07:04] <CarinArr> didn't know you could unzip tar.gz without the z flag
[07:04] <LjL> CarinArr: with relatively new versions of GNU tar, you can. same for bz2
[07:04] <xst> I use knetworkmanager to handle my wireless connections. But when I reboot I have to enter WPA password again. Can I somehow make it store the entered passwords?
[07:04] <kofler> Hello again.
[07:05] <kofler> I'm trying to integrate Kerberos authentication and SSH, but I'm getting this message over and over: No principal in keytab matches desired name
[07:05] <kofler> What does that mean? Google doesn't reveal much. Someone on the web mentioned he/she entered kinit -k on the machine hosting the SSH daemon and it prints out the same type of list as my machine does.
[07:05] <CarinArr> LjL: heh, creature of habit.. never even thought to try it
[07:06] <LjL> CarinArr: oh, for that matter i sometimes still type gunzip filename.tar.gz ; tar -x -f filename.tar
[07:07] <CarinArr> heh
[07:07] <jeffm> Tm_T: hmm.  I may upgrade to Fawn later, but this is a work machine.  If I want to upgrade later, should I be looking for a .deb, or just compile and install?
[07:10] <LjL> jeffm, edgy backports *has* rdesktop 1.5
[07:10] <LjL> !rdesktop edgy
[07:10] <LjL> !rdesktop edgy-backports
[07:10] <ubotu> rdesktop: RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.1-1.1 (edgy), package size 98 kB, installed size 388 kB
[07:10] <ubotu> rdesktop: RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.0-1build1~edgy1 (edgy-backports), package size 119 kB, installed size 444 kB
[07:10] <LjL> !backports > jeffm    (jeffm, see the private message from Ubotu)
[07:11] <MinceR> !away > MinceR
[07:13] <MinceR> what kind of bot is ubotu?
[07:13] <fdoving> soupy
[07:13] <LjL> supybot
[07:13] <fdoving> -o
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> !botsnack
[07:14] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> a hungry kind of bot
[07:14] <wolferine> can I convert a .pdf into something I can use in Open Office?
[07:14] <fdoving> wolferine: like text?
[07:15] <Tm_T> jeffm: no need to compile in Feisty, no idea how it is in Edgy, see "apt-cache policy rdesktop"
[07:15] <fdoving> wolferine: pdftotext is in the xpdf-utils package.
[07:15] <Tm_T> oh no, root is here!
[07:15] <MinceR> :)
[07:16] <wolferine> its in poppler-utils fdoving ?
[07:16] <fdoving> might be there also.
[07:16] <ins-dragonclaw> ARGH
[07:16] <ins-dragonclaw> ok, i'm back
[07:16] <wolferine> how would I access it in that app?
[07:18] <wolferine> hmm, I dint see how to use the xpdf-utils
[07:19] <fdoving> wolferine: they are commandline tools.
[07:19] <wolferine> bash: xpdf-utils: command not found
[07:19] <fdoving> the packagename is xpdf-utils,
[07:19] <fdoving> the command is pdftotext
[07:19] <fdoving> pdftotext file.pdf file.txt
[07:19] <wolferine> pdf2
[07:19] <wolferine> pdf2dsc  pdf2ps
[07:20] <wolferine> its not here
[07:20] <dhq__> welll i am am searching for a nice compiler for linux like borland c++
[07:20] <wolferine> nor is it with poppler-utils
[07:20] <gae> #ubuntu.it
[07:21] <fdoving> wolferine: ok. it's in xpdf-utils.
[07:21] <fdoving> dhq__: gcc is pretty nice.
[07:21] <soulrider_> !mono
[07:21] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.17.1-1ubuntu7.1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[07:22] <dhq__> fdoving: well i need something like turbo c++
[07:22] <wolferine> i beleive you, but its not in my xpdf-utils package I guess
[07:22] <wolferine> its 3.01-9
[07:23] <fdoving> wolferine: mine too.
[07:23] <fdoving> xpdf-utils: /usr/bin/pdftotext
[07:23] <soulrider_> !wiki
[07:23] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[07:24] <wolferine> well, guess its a manula install then
[07:24] <wolferine> i dont see it anywhere here
[07:24] <gae> #kubuntu.it
[07:25] <fdoving> wolferine: it has been in xpdf-utils since ubuntus brith with warty.
[07:25] <wolferine> im not saying your wrong, but I dont have it
[07:25] <fdoving> sice breezy it has also been in poppler-utils.
[07:26] <fdoving> are you sure you have the package installed and the spelling and path correct?
[07:26] <wolferine> well, for installing, I used Synaptic
[07:26] <wolferine> when I search for it, poppler was already installed
[07:27] <fdoving> wolferine: ok, manually (without tab completion) write 'pdftotext' into a terminal
[07:27] <wolferine> pdftotext
[07:27] <wolferine> bash: pdftotext: command not found
[07:27] <fdoving> then you don't have 'xpdf-utils' installed.
[07:27] <wolferine> honestly, its not here
[07:27] <fdoving> nor poppler-utils
[07:28] <wolferine> i cannot have both
[07:28] <wolferine> its one or the other
[07:28] <fdoving> pick one.
[07:28] <fdoving> it doesn't matter which.
[07:28] <wolferine> fdoving, your being a bit insulting now
[07:28] <jeffm> All, thanks for the help with backports.  I added the repository and rdesktop 1.5.0 is downloading as I type.  Thanks again.
[07:28] <wolferine> i have told you more than once its not here
[07:29] <fdoving> wolferine: sorry, i don't mean to be. i'm just a little stright forward.
[07:29] <wolferine> how would I do a manual install of the pdftotext?
[07:29] <ins-dragonclaw> "We are committed to deliver metrics as part of our five-year plan to waste a lot of time in meetings and better serve our customers."
[07:29] <wolferine> fdoving, your missing the obvious
[07:29] <wolferine> its not installed
[07:29] <mcquaid> anyone here use dolphin?  I want the actions extract to/here when dealing with rars
[07:29] <wolferine> whether I have xpdf-utils or poppler
[07:29] <mcquaid> it's there with other compression types, but only konq has the action for rars
[07:30] <fdoving> wolferine: ok. try this in console 'dpkg -s xpdf-utils|grep Status'
[07:31] <fdoving> wolferine: same for poppler-utils: 'dpkg -s poppler-utils|grep Status' - is either of them installed?
[07:31] <wolferine> hmmm
[07:32] <wolferine> Package `xpdf-utils' is not installed
[07:32] <eilker> i type my password every login as " /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>"  i wanna login automatically, what to do ?
[07:32] <wolferine>  dpkg -s poppler-utils|grep Status
[07:32] <wolferine> Status: purge ok not-installed
[07:32] <wolferine> but in Synaptic, its been installed...
[07:33] <fdoving> wolferine: ok. if you now close synaptic, and do 'sudo apt-get install poppler-utils' then try again, to use the pdftotext command. it'll work. :)
[07:34] <wolferine> yeah
[07:34] <wolferine> doing that now
[07:34] <wolferine> synaptic had a bug though?
[07:34] <fdoving> probably. i'm not familiar with it.
[07:34] <fdoving> sorry for being a bitch.
[07:35] <ins-dragonclaw> eilker: what client do you use? Konversation?
[07:35] <wolferine> wow, thanks, finally :/
[07:35] <[GuS] > Hi!
[07:35] <soulrider_> you guys know if its possible to compile C++ .NET in mono? and if the code will be 100% compatible with visual studio 2005 ?
[07:35] <soulrider_> hi [GuS] 
[07:35] <ForgeAus> um soulrider, yes and no, depending on the code you use
[07:36] <ForgeAus> actually no with the C++ .NET
[07:36] <eXistenZ> Which is better for the eyes: black or white background?
[07:36] <wolferine> thanks fdoving, sorry, I was getting impatient as well
[07:36] <soulrider_> ForgeAus: were gonna program in c++ .net in college and i hope i dont have to go use windoze
[07:36] <ForgeAus> but mono sourcecode CAN be 100% compatible
[07:36] <ins-dragonclaw> eXistenZ: white text on black background
[07:36] <[GuS] > hi soulrider_ .
[07:36] <soulrider_> ForgeAus: so i cant do C++ .net in mono ?
[07:36] <ForgeAus> um you could try sharpdevelop under wine???
[07:36] <ins-dragonclaw> or blue background, if you like it
[07:37] <ForgeAus> (if you can get .net framework installing into it)
[07:37] <ForgeAus> (or bridge it to mono)
[07:37] <soulrider> ForgeAus: =/
[07:37] <ForgeAus> then again not sure if even sharpdev has C++
[07:37] <ForgeAus> (it has C# definitely
[07:37] <ForgeAus> but then so does monodevelop
[07:37] <soulrider> i guess ill have to use windoze then
[07:37] <ForgeAus> seems like it
[07:37] <wolferine> hmm
[07:38] <wolferine> that still isnt what I was looking for
[07:38] <wolferine> the .txt loses alot of the formatting from the .pdf file
[07:38] <ForgeAus> or you could virtualize it in vmware :)
[07:38] <soulrider> ForgeAus: i was thinking of tht actually :P
[07:38] <ForgeAus> (still requires an installation)
[07:38] <soulrider> ForgeAus: does the curren kernel in edgy support kernel virtualization ?
[07:39] <ForgeAus> um feisty does, edgy I don't think so, but I'm not entirely certain
[07:39] <ForgeAus> do you mean kvm?
[07:39] <soulrider> yeah, kvm
[07:39] <ForgeAus> yeah needs fiesty
[07:39] <soulrider> isnt it faster than vmware ?
[07:39] <soulrider> ah, k
[07:39] <ForgeAus> possibly I don't know enough about it
[07:40] <philfo> anyone using a Canon i9100 printer?  I need a driver
[07:40] <eilker> ins-dragonclaw: yeah konversation
[07:40] <mehdi_> hey every body
[07:40] <ForgeAus> speedwise anyhow
[07:40] <mehdi_> !!!
[07:40] <ins-dragonclaw> press F8
[07:40] <fdoving> philfo: been at linuxprinting.org ?
[07:40] <soulrider> hi mehdi_
[07:40] <ForgeAus> I think its very much related to qemu
[07:40] <ins-dragonclaw> bottom of the box = Auto Identify
[07:40] <philfo> nope.  thanks
[07:40] <ins-dragonclaw> fill in NickServ and your pasword
[07:40] <ins-dragonclaw> pass*
[07:40] <soulrider> ForgeAus: qemu ?
[07:40] <ForgeAus> yeah
[07:40] <ForgeAus> its a processor emulator
[07:41] <soulrider> i see
[07:41] <mehdi_> do someone know something about how to obtain OS information (cmd) ???
[07:41] <soulrider> do you know if code from g++ will compile on .net ?
[07:41] <ForgeAus> (mostly x86's of course but does arm, mips and quite a few others the 86k's need to be developed more tho)
[07:41] <soulrider> mehdi_: try uname -a
[07:41] <eilker> ins-dragonclaw: yeah NickServ and mypass
[07:41] <soulrider> !version | mehdi_
[07:41] <ubotu> mehdi_: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[07:41] <eilker> ins-dragonclaw: it is like that
[07:41] <eilker> ins-dragonclaw: let me try again
[07:42] <ins-dragonclaw> So if Service=NickServ and password=yourpass, then it should identify you automatically on login
[07:42] <ForgeAus> soulrider again depends on the code
[07:42] <soulrider> ahh, ok ForgeAus
[07:42] <ForgeAus> some g++ code is platform-dependant... others isn't
[07:42] <mehdi_> soulrider thx but that dont solve my problem  i want specifique information like lshw
[07:42] <soulrider> maybe lspci ?
[07:42] <fdoving> mehdi_: what info exactly?
[07:43] <mehdi_> for the memory size and the name  of the display card ????
[07:43] <jhutchins> mehdi_: try lspci
[07:43] <soulrider> i think ill use vmware... although i DO have a windows XP installation, but im too lazy to reboot into it :P
[07:43] <fdoving> mehdi_: cat /proc/meminfo for mem, cat /proc/cpuinfo for cpu, 'lspci' for pci things. lsusb, lshw and so on.
[07:44] <eilker> pfff
[07:45] <philfo> i9100 printer is not even on the list at linuxprinting
[07:45] <eilker> ins-dragonclaw: sth wrong with my real name in that list
[07:45] <eilker> ins-dragonclaw: see there is a box for real nama
[07:45] <eilker> *name
[07:45] <prucor> Why IconPositions isn't copied from kubuntu-defaults?
[07:45] <ins-dragonclaw> yes there is
[07:45] <ins-dragonclaw> you can make that whatever you want
[07:45] <prucor> I want some icons by default for all users, how can I do this?
[07:45] <ins-dragonclaw> yours is set to eilke at the moment
[07:46] <prucor> Actually i get those icons in desktop using kde profile, but they aren't on the right position
[07:46] <eilker> ins-dragonclaw: NickServ and mypass
[07:46] <eilker> ins-dragonclaw: and sth wrong :)
[07:47] <ins-dragonclaw> hmm
[07:47] <dhq__> fdoving: i upgraded to fiesty and now my vmware doesnt work
[07:47] <ins-dragonclaw> so Service: NickServ
[07:47] <Gast621> good evening
[07:47] <ins-dragonclaw> and password: yourpass
[07:47] <ins-dragonclaw> then it will identify you when you start konversation
[07:47] <soulrider> dhq__: i think you need to run the setuo again
[07:47] <fdoving> dhq__: sorry, i don't know much about vmware.
[07:48] <soulrider> you need to do it every time hte kernel changes
[07:48] <dhq__> soulrider: i tried it no use
[07:48] <Gast621> little question about Kubuntu...is it possible to have fix a specific language with an user or can I only change it globaly ?
[07:48] <eilker> dhq:_ i will try to help u just a second
[07:48] <soulrider> dhq__:
[07:48] <fdoving> Gast621: you can change per user.
[07:48] <soulrider> do you have the kernel headers ?
 let me check again
[07:48] <ins-dragonclaw> k
[07:48] <ins-dragonclaw> Ctrl+Q and restart Konversation, eilker
[07:49] <eilker> ins-dragonclaw> done , i  had a special character at my pass, i was typing it wrong
[07:49] <frojnd> so how can I start beryl?
[07:49] <eilker> :)
[07:49] <ins-dragonclaw> lol ok
[07:49] <eilker> frojnd: beryl //in konsole
[07:50] <ForgeAus> assuming its installed
[07:50] <fdoving> frojnd: kmenu -> run command -> 'beryl-manager' -> run
[07:50] <eilker> frojnd: than beryl manager /then choose beryl
[07:50] <eilker> dhq_:
[07:50] <eilker> ?
[07:50] <eilker> what was your problem ?
[07:50] <ForgeAus> best choose xgl from KDM
[07:50] <dhq__> eilker: well i upgraded to fiesty and vmware doesnt work
[07:50] <ForgeAus> dhq prolly needs reconfiguring
[07:51] <ForgeAus> vmware does that
[07:51] <ForgeAus> it breaks if you just change the kernel
[07:51] <ForgeAus> well "breaks"
[07:51] <eilker> dhq_: yeah did u try reconfigure ?
[07:51] <ForgeAus> it probably will still work tho (I think)
[07:51] <eilker> forgeaus: 50 % :)
[07:52] <eilker> forgeaus: he may get weird problems too :)
[07:52] <dhq__> eilker: how
[07:52] <mehdi_> me
[07:52] <ForgeAus> dhq how did you install it in the first place? is it player? server or workstation?
[07:52] <eilker> dhq_: u should run config.pl
[07:53] <dhq__> vmware-config.pl
[07:53] <eilker> yeah
[07:54] <eilker> most probably it will create some new modules for your kernel
[07:54] <ForgeAus> if its just player you might be lucky enough to get away with a dpkg --configure vmware-player (note: that was just a sample line not esure if its actually correct the package name and dpkg command format may differ)
[07:54] <eilker> btw i am talking for vmware- server
[07:54] <dhq__> eilker: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12188/
[07:55] <Buddha|> I'm trying to install the OS-L icon set, but it's not working.  Anyone else using it?
[07:55] <ForgeAus> Buddha it depends on what icons are included in the set
[07:56] <eilker> dhq_: could you try to reinstall again pls ?
[07:56] <ForgeAus> if the set only includes say 64x64 icons then only certain ones will change...
[07:56] <dhq__> eilker: how do i uninstall it
[07:56] <Buddha|> ForgeAus: It has 128x128 and 32x32
[07:57] <billy> does anyone know how to play a DVD in kubuntu?  I get the following xine Error from Kaffeine: No plugin found to handle this resource (dvd:///dev/scd0)
[07:57] <ForgeAus> Buddha the 32x32 ones should tend to show, I tihnk the kmenu uses them by default (but I could be wrong there)
[07:57] <c1|freaky> hi all i have a strange problem: i can't run any gl screensavers but glxgears gives me: 31967 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6393.255 FPS ... what could be wrong with the screensavers?
[07:57] <Buddha|> ForgeAus: It's just using the standard KDE icons
[07:58] <eilker> see there is a script there ,uninstall.pl like that i am not sure about its name,      btw dont uninstall just reinstall , i had same problem when i upgradeg to edgy, this solved
[07:58] <usuari> I you know
[07:58] <usuari> hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:58] <eilker> dhq_: but uninstalling will be better
[07:58] <usuari> you script
[07:58] <ForgeAus> Buddha have you selected it in kcontrol?
[07:58] <ForgeAus> to use that set?
[07:58] <Buddha|> If everyone left, how come there's still 386 people here?
[07:58] <Buddha|> ForgeAus: yes, I have
[07:58] <usuari> i first chat
[07:59] <usuari> feka
[07:59] <eilker> usuari ?
[07:59] <ForgeAus> then if that didn't work, I'm sorry I can't help you...
[07:59] <usuari> swe sepeak spanish
[07:59] <eilker> !es
[07:59] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:59] <usuari> jajaa
[07:59] <usuari> io
[07:59] <usuari> no quiero ayuda
[07:59] <usuari> :D
[08:00] <usuari> ^
[08:00] <usuari> ^^
[08:00] <usuari> @
[08:00] <usuari> 6{[
[08:00] <usuari> commas!
[08:00] <ForgeAus> I must admit tho the icons look nice :)
[08:00] <eilker> usuari: dont kill the channell
[08:00] <usuari> !netstat
[08:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netstat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:00] <eth01> :/
[08:00] <usuari> !crear particiones
[08:00] <ForgeAus> they'd suit a baghira theme
[08:01] <eth01> !es usuari
[08:01] <ubotu> es: An extensible shell based on `rc'. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.90beta1-10.1 (edgy), package size 99 kB, installed size 248 kB
[08:01] <billy> does anyone know how to play a DVD in kubuntu?
[08:01] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:01] <eth01> lol
[08:01] <ins-dragonclaw> !es > usuari
[08:01] <eth01> billy.
[08:01] <usuari> lol:D
[08:01] <Buddha|> ForgeAus: Okay, it works if I change the icon size under 'Advanced' to 32x32 or 128x128, but that leaves me with either tiny or gigantic icons.
[08:01] <ins-dragonclaw> anyway, i'm off
[08:01] <usuari> bye
[08:01] <usuari> ;)
[08:01] <eth01> billy: start menu> mulitmedia> try 1 of those :)
[08:02] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: Maybe they're not installed?  (The screensavers)
[08:02] <billy> i tried Kaffeine, it gives this error: No plugin found to handle this resource (dvd:///dev/scd0)
[08:02] <eilker> he had fun, and went :lol:
[08:02] <eth01> !multimedia > billy
[08:02] <N6REJ> now that lunch is over with.
[08:03] <Buddha|> !multimedia > Buddha|
[08:03] <N6REJ> how easy and stable is the fiesty upgrade?
[08:03] <eth01> billy: try amarok media player instead
[08:03] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Those who know would probably be in #ubuntu+1.
[08:03] <billy> ok
[08:04] <N6REJ> jhutchins: devs?
[08:04] <jhutchins> N6REJ: It is still officially beta, as is Feisty itself.
[08:04] <eth01> im just using edgy :)
[08:04] <N6REJ> jhutchins: yeah, it has an april release date
[08:04] <jhutchins> It's not like it suddenly, magically goes stable when they make it official, but they tend to want a minimum level of fixed bugs, etc.
[08:04] <N6REJ> yep
[08:05] <eth01> any1 know any gd places for themes for kubuntu/
[08:05] <MinceR> what's the difference between kubuntu and an ubuntu install without ubuntu-desktop but with kubuntu-desktop?
[08:05] <billy> eth01: amarok appears to be an audio only player unless i'm mistaken
[08:05] <jhutchins> eth01: http://www.kde-look.org/
[08:05] <eth01> t
[08:05] <eth01> ty **
[08:05] <eth01> yes billy it it
[08:05] <dhq__> how do i uninstall vmware
[08:06] <jhutchins> MinceR: If you install kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu, you will have both gnome and kde.
[08:06] <familia> billy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[08:06] <jhutchins> dhq__: How did you install it?
[08:07] <MinceR> i did that and i wonder if it makes it as much kubuntu as ubuntu :)
[08:07] <jhutchins> MinceR: You'll have more gnome stuff than a standard kubuntu install, some of your default software may be different.
[08:07] <dhq__> sudo ./vmware-compile.pl
[08:07] <MinceR> i see
[08:08] <jhutchins> MinceR: I have both KDE and XFCE on this particular system.
[08:08] <dhq__> jhutchins:  sudo ./vmware-compile.pl
[08:09] <eth01> jhutchins: ive got my theme which i like now what i do ?
[08:09] <philfo> N6REJ: query
[08:09] <jhutchins> dhq__: Then you'll have to find a vmware-remove.pl, or go throught that script and figure out what it did, undo it manually.
[08:10] <dhq__> eilker: how do i unstall vmware
[08:10] <jhutchins> eth01: Darned if I know.  Should come with instructions.
[08:10] <jhutchins> !themes | eth01
[08:10] <ubotu> eth01: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:10] <N6REJ> coming
[08:11] <Tm_T> mooh
[08:11] <eth01> ok
[08:11] <eilker> dhq__>: do u have install setup now ?
[08:11] <jhutchins> eth01: So...
[08:11] <dhq__> yes
[08:11] <jhutchins> !changethemes | eth01
[08:11] <ubotu> eth01: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[08:11] <dhq__> eilker: yes
[08:11] <N6REJ> philfo: i'm in pm
[08:11] <philfo> I have to register for the PM, give me a sec.  sorry
[08:11] <eilker> dhq__>: ok, there should be a script, uninstall.pl (i am not sure about its name) , find it pls
[08:12] <N6REJ> k
[08:12] <dhq__> eilker: found
[08:12] <eth01> i need the KDE colour manager apparently.
[08:12] <eilker> dhq_: run it in console,
[08:13] <eilker> dhq_: can you ?
[08:14] <neil__> anybody know a nice site to find backgrounds?
[08:14] <neil__> not really kubuntu specific, but hey
[08:14] <neil__> just installed beryl so want to finish of the sytem
[08:14] <eilker> dhq__> www.kde-look.org
[08:14] <eilker> sorry :)
[08:15] <N6REJ> jhutchins: I'm having a problem configuring kmail.  It wants to dump all my mail into the "local" folder and I don't want that.  With my numerous accounts I need them segragated into their own "inbox/outbox/drafts/" etc
[08:15] <eilker> neil_: www.kde-look.org and  www.beryl-themes.org
[08:15] <jhutchins> N6REJ: It's in the account config.
[08:15] <neil__> thanks eilker
[08:16] <eilker> u welcome
[08:16] <N6REJ> jhutchins: it only allows me to use local.  ins said I only need one idenity but I'm thinking thats wrong.
[08:16] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Near the bottom, Destination Folder.  You'll have to create the folder first.
[08:16] <jhutchins> N6REJ: If you use imap, it will be seperate already.
[08:16] <N6REJ> and then it will create the inbox's and such?
[08:16] <N6REJ> OH
[08:16] <N6REJ> hmmmm
[08:16] <N6REJ> wonder if I can imap?
[08:16] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Identity is outbound, Accounts is inbound.
[08:16] <N6REJ> ok
[08:17] <N6REJ> that helps
[08:17] <N6REJ> so one identity per server!
[08:17] <jhutchins> imap it's all on the server.
[08:17] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Not actually needed, but you can.
[08:17] <N6REJ> jhutchins: k that makes more sense to me really
[08:17] <philfo> where is it I'm registering this nick?
[08:17] <N6REJ> I SEND to 4 diff servers
[08:17] <philfo> to use PM's
[08:17] <jhutchins> I have about six identities, several accounts.
[08:18] <dhq__> eilker: i reinstalled and still http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12193/
[08:18] <N6REJ> philfo: /msg help nickserv
[08:18] <jhutchins> philfo: Freenode.
[08:19] <jhutchins> /msg nickserv help actually.
[08:19] <FOAD> Hi.
[08:19] <FOAD> How do I rename a device icon on the desktop?
[08:20] <jhutchins> FOAD: Right-click, properties, or select, F2.
[08:20] <eilker> dhq_: did u look at here ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware?action=show&redirect=InstallingVMware#head-9973a76766d2a1a45c0da13567ce73c227904cbf
[08:20] <jhutchins> FOAD: They're internally generated though, so it may come back with it's original name.
[08:21] <jhutchins> FOAD: O is not a valid hex character, btw, that should be 0.
[08:21] <FOAD> jhutchins: gets me access denied.
[08:21] <jhutchins> FOAD: Yeah, it's a system thing then.
[08:21] <eth01> :/
[08:21] <eilker> dhq_: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:21] <FOAD> jhutchins: so what can I do instead?
[08:22] <FOAD> My iPod has an ugly capitalized name.
[08:22] <jhutchins> FOAD: Create a shortcut to the device with your own name.
[08:22] <N6REJ> jhutchins: can you help with samba?
[08:22] <jhutchins> FOAD: Rename the iPod.
[08:22] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Gimme a bit, I'll be back.
[08:22] <N6REJ> k
[08:23] <FOAD> Hmm.
[08:23] <philfo> I don't get it.
[08:24] <N6REJ> philfo: hang on.
[08:24] <FOAD> jhutchins: thanks.
[08:25] <N6REJ> philfo: you still got the pm open?
[08:25] <philfo> no worries.  I am just reading the tutorials.
[08:25] <philfo> yup.
[08:25] <N6REJ> philfo: no need.
[08:25] <N6REJ> go look
[08:26] <philfo> where does that go?
[08:26] <philfo> in a browser bar?
[08:27] <N6REJ> see the blue line?
[08:27] <N6REJ> put that in the ubuntu IRC channel
[08:27] <N6REJ> browser?
[08:27] <N6REJ> no
[08:27] <N6REJ> what irc client?
[08:27] <philfo> konversation
[08:27] <N6REJ> k
[08:27] <N6REJ> see "ubuntu IRC"?
[08:27] <philfo> yup
[08:28] <N6REJ> click it and then paste that blue line in
[08:28] <metty_> hi all - whats the syntax for getting the installed distribution version pls?
[08:28] <N6REJ> make sure before you hit enter you change the last word to whatever you want.
[08:28] <N6REJ> metty_: I believe its uname -a
[08:28] <eilker> metty_>: cat /etc/issues
[08:28] <dhq__> eilker: still the same
[08:29] <fdoving> metty_: or 'lsb_release -a'
[08:29] <metty_> fdoving: thx ;)
[08:29] <eilker> metty_>: cat /etc/issue
[08:29] <N6REJ> eilker: that may not work because for example I change my issues for ftp and such
[08:29] <metty_> eilker: thx
[08:29] <eilker> np
[08:30] <eilker> dhq_: after installing packages, did you try reinstall again ?
[08:30] <N6REJ> philfo: let me know when your done with that.
[08:30] <eilker> N6REJ: yeah correct
[08:30] <Ahmuck> any ideas on a ledger program for small buisness?
[08:31] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: there are several, what are your needs/desires
[08:31] <eilker> dhq_: now u changed your OS, and u need to install all needed packages again, think that u do a fresh install of vmware
[08:31] <Ahmuck> service contracts, labor, and parts
[08:31] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: what country?
[08:31] <eilker> dhq_: btw there is #vmware too, may be they can help better
[08:31] <Ahmuck> US
[08:32] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: web store interface necessary?
[08:32] <Ahmuck> no, small buisness
[08:32] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: POS desirable?
[08:32] <Ahmuck> for this application, no, just record keeping
[08:32] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: but would be a nice freebie?
[08:32] <Ahmuck> mainly for record purposes
[08:33] <Ahmuck> well, a oss gnu app, yes
[08:33] <eilker> dhq_: it cant create vmvon modules cause of incompability, of course if feisty has some unfixed things i dont know
[08:33] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: ok, I have two recommendations and I've done a TON of research.
[08:33] <Ahmuck> kewl
[08:34] <Ahmuck> N6REJ: your recomendations?
[08:34] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: I would use either sql-ledger or ledger-smb.  Ledger-smb is a fork of sql-ledger.  There are several others that are strong contenders and do several other things better, but for me ( I have a credit/debit block ) they were to .....mmmmm... unweildy?
[08:34] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: sorry I don't type as fast as I used to.
[08:34] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: on the upside sql-ledger is in the repos
[08:35] <Ahmuck> i have looked at ledgersmb for some time, but i can't get the thing to run
[08:35] <Ahmuck> and ledgersmb is NOT in the repos
[08:35] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: though it is one step behind.
[08:35] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: correct
[08:35] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: notice I said sql-ledger is in the repos, not ledger-smb
[08:35] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: :D
[08:35] <fdoving> Ahmuck: simpleinvoices is nice too, if you just need simple invoices. http://www.simpleinvoices.org/
[08:36] <flomanea> hi
[08:36] <nosrednaekim> flomanea: hi
[08:36] <N6REJ> fdoving: I need product control so it probably wont' work for me.
[08:36] <flomanea> how do you do
[08:37] <Ahmuck> ah simple invoices looks very simple
[08:37] <nosrednaekim> good..
[08:37] <Ahmuck> like i could get by with it at first
[08:37] <N6REJ> Ahmuck: gl
[08:39] <N6REJ> is there like an egg-timer app for kde?
[08:39] <nosrednaekim> kteatime..?
[08:40] <nosrednaekim> for tea..but works for anything
[08:40] <nosrednaekim> !kteatime
[08:40] <ubotu> kteatime: KDE utility for making a fine cup of tea. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 85 kB, installed size 388 kB
[08:41] <N6REJ> great, should work fine.. ty.
[08:41] <N6REJ> wife is always asking me to wake her in an hour and I always forget
[08:41] <nosrednaekim> NP
[08:41] <nosrednaekim> haha
[08:43] <N6REJ> PERFECT
[08:43] <N6REJ> tyvm nosrednaekim
[08:44] <vince_> hi
[08:44] <vince_> i just install kubuntu today
[08:45] <tsdgeos> hi
[08:45] <vince_> very nice
[08:45] <tsdgeos> :-)
[08:45] <nosrednaekim> thank you
[08:46] <vince_> on a laptop compaq
[08:46] <N6REJ> nosrednaekim:  is there a better audio - mp3 creator then kaudio creator?
[08:46] <N6REJ> its painfully slow
[08:46] <chijin> lame on the command line
[08:46] <nosrednaekim> N6REJ: reaally? its pretty fast for me
[08:46] <nosrednaekim> I can rip a CD in about 15 minutes
[08:46] <N6REJ> nosrednaekim: then somethings wrong, it takes hours here.
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> hmmm....
[08:47] <N6REJ> I bet its confused by my drive speed?
[08:47] <N6REJ> its a dvd-rw
[08:47] <N6REJ> lightscribe drive
[08:48] <pc_> hello
[08:48] <vince_> hello
[08:48] <pc_> where are you?
[08:48] <vince_> in france
[08:48] <pc_> humm
[08:48] <nosrednaekim> in US
[08:48] <pc_> I am from Mozambique
[08:48] <vince_> we<are the world!!!
[08:49] <nosrednaekim> I don't think that would matter
[08:49] <pc_> Africa
[08:49] <vince_> yes doesn't matter
[08:49] <pc_> I am not very good at inglish
[08:49] <N6REJ> nosrednaekim: there has to be someplace that tells it how fast it can read/write
[08:49] <vince_> nice in mozambique?
[08:50] <pc_> ya
[08:50] <N6REJ> pc_: its ok, my french is terrible LOL
[08:50] <vince_> tu parle francais ?
[08:50] <pc_> hehe
[08:50] <N6REJ> pc_: !fr
[08:50] <vince_> ben c bon pour moi
[08:50] <pc_> hehe
[08:50] <N6REJ> !fr | pc_
[08:50] <nosrednaekim> N6REJ: whats taking a long time... ripping or encoding?
[08:50] <ubotu> pc_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:50] <raffytaffy> il est difficile d'apprendre Franais
[08:50] <N6REJ> nosrednaekim: ripping, lame is the encoder
[08:50] <vince_> is there a lot  of risk of virus on kubuntu?do i need an anti virus?
[08:51] <N6REJ> vince_: no *nix is mostly immune from virus's.  There are only 4 known last time I checked.
[08:51] <vince_> non c'est tres facile!!
[08:51] <N6REJ> vince_: if your concerned use clamav
[08:51] <pc_> I am using linux
[08:51] <N6REJ> pc_: *nix is short for linux
[08:52] <vince_> ok thanks N6RE
[08:52] <N6REJ> np
[08:52] <pc_> and I dont need ant-virus
[08:52] <soulrider> no
[08:52] <soulrider> the anti virus thata re for linux
[08:52] <sparrw> [how]  can i play mjpeg video in kubuntu?
[08:53] <soulrider> are used to protect windows machines :P
[08:53] <Tm_T> N6REJ: as far as I know clamav checks windows viruses
[08:53] <vince_> lol
[08:53] <soulrider> sparrw: clicking on it ? kaffeine can probably play it
[08:53] <ForgeAus> there is a klam-av :)
[08:53] <N6REJ> Tm_T: its in the repos
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> N6REJ: ok...I don't know.... is your cd slow doing other things?
[08:53] <pc_> soulrider where u from
[08:53] <sparrw> soulrider: it cant
[08:54] <soulrider> pc_: why ? :P
[08:54] <ForgeAus> actually *nix is NOT immune to viruses
[08:54] <vince_> where are u in mozambique?
[08:54] <N6REJ> haven't tried...
[08:54] <ForgeAus> and Linux does not = *nix, it just one of the os's that can be referred to by *nix...
[08:54] <pc_> I just want to know
[08:54] <Tm_T> N6REJ: sure it is
[08:54] <N6REJ> ForgeAus: I know thta
[08:54] <soulrider> Uruguay
[08:55] <soulrider> mz is mozambique ?
[08:55] <ForgeAus> it's just that viruses mostly don't affect *nix OS's (mostly due to having user and root accounts, etc)
[08:55] <pc_> ya
[08:56] <soulrider> would it be uniethiocal for someone to make a virus for windows to make people move to linux? you would be destroying windows, but mkaing them swicth to somethign better :P
[08:56] <ForgeAus> soulrider making a virus at all is unethical
[08:56] <genii> Yes, still unethical no matter the OS
[08:56] <Tm_T> soulrider: forcing is always bad
[08:56] <ForgeAus> whatever system it is built/made for...
[08:56] <vince_> of course
[08:56] <soulrider> i was just wondering what everyone thought :P
[08:57] <pc_> hehe
[08:57] <soulrider> its not like i wanna make one or anything
[08:57] <vince_> lol
[08:57] <soulrider> dont take it the wrong way
[08:57] <bxnp> soulrider: what i dont understand what do you even care what os other people are using, just use your favorite os :)
[08:57] <ForgeAus> making some software or a notice that promotes linux may not be so unethical but if it acts like a virus or a spam message then its actually goign to harass rather than help anyway
[08:57] <soulrider> i have convinced some people to swicth
[08:57] <ForgeAus> bxnp soulrider doesn't have a choice
[08:58] <soulrider> or to at least try it
[08:58] <ForgeAus> when it comes to Visual C++ he's learning
[08:58] <scratch> anyone else having a problem with feisty kde styles and the last update?
[08:58] <soulrider> ForgeAus: that damn IDE were using sucks! it wont show any syntax mistaked or errors AT ALL
[08:59] <soulrider> even kate is better at highlighting stuff!
[08:59] <vince_> lot of people talk me about linux but to make the switch i wit thata good friend try it and says ok it's easy u can!!lol!!
[08:59] <vince_> wait sorry
[08:59] <ForgeAus> soulrider, thats interesting!.. it doesn't show mistakes? what have tehy done to visual studio? it used to syntax highlight and show errors...
[08:59] <ForgeAus> last time I used it it did anyhow
[08:59] <soulrider> ForgeAus: it didnt show me anything at all
[08:59] <soulrider> like
[08:59] <soulrider> i made a simple program
[09:00] <soulrider> and just because a for had a , instead of a; somewhere in it
[09:00] <soulrider> it wouldnt compile
[09:00] <soulrider> but wouldnt tell me where the error was or anything
[09:00] <vince_> so bye every one nice job linux
[09:00] <ForgeAus> thats probably because a, is perfectly valid syntax...
[09:00] <soulrider> i already convinced 2 people to switch
[09:00] <ForgeAus> it didn't see it as an error...
[09:00] <soulrider> my dad said he wanted to try linux now
[09:01] <soulrider> one of my classmates is installing ubuntu on his parent's machine
[09:01] <soulrider> and i think hes also gonna use it
[09:01] <vince_> yes
[09:01] <soulrider> another classmate is gonna switch, he needs me to burnt he DVD
[09:01] <ForgeAus> at least I know a , is useable in C++
[09:01] <soulrider> and another one said he was downloading it
[09:01] <eilker> !feisty
[09:01] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[09:01] <soulrider> ForgeAus: like "for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++) ?
[09:01] <ForgeAus> as to its placement, depends on how smart the Compiler/IDE is to figure out that stuff....
[09:02] <soulrider> i added a , instead of a ; and it went berserk
[09:02] <soulrider> i cant wait til feisty is out!
[09:03] <ForgeAus> of course the syntax for the for statement uses the ;'s inside the ()'s but the question is are commas valid?... ie does it mean anyghing to say for (i = 0 , 4 ... )????
[09:03] <ForgeAus> possibly Visual studio isn't set to pick that up as an error...
[09:03] <soulrider> ForgeAus: i was looking for that damn error for like 10 minutes
[09:03] <soulrider> in a 20 line code :P
[09:04] <eilker> !ntfs-3g > eilker
[09:04] <soulrider> ForgeAus: isnt that what its supposed to do? :P
[09:04] <ForgeAus> well I know the syntax of the for statement it would have stuck out like a sore thumb for me...
[09:04] <nosrednaekim> you should use python(auto error checking...);)
[09:04] <nosrednaekim> not to start a flame fest or anything..
[09:04] <ForgeAus> soulrider, perhaps, assuming the , is completely INVALID syntax... I'm not entirely certain its compeltely invalid...
[09:04] <soulrider> i miss Eclipse for java development
[09:04] <ForgeAus> hehe eclipse is kewl :)
[09:04] <soulrider> i would program more, but no one makes apps for linux in java :P
[09:04] <soulrider> its os easy to program in java!
[09:05] <ForgeAus> you can even plug an open office plugin into it
[09:05] <nosrednaekim> thats becuase java is a pain in Linux...
[09:05] <nosrednaekim> at present
[09:05] <PurdueBioBoy> hi all
[09:05] <nosrednaekim> 'lo
[09:05] <soulrider> nosrednaekim: i never had a problem with it
[09:05] <ForgeAus> in linux? eclipse works for linux, mac and Windows
[09:05] <ForgeAus> is there a netbeans for linux?
[09:05] <stra> hi - s.a.
[09:05] <soulrider> java has been wonderful with me :P
[09:05] <soulrider> ForgeAus: i think so
[09:06] <soulrider> netbeans is o much better for making GUI java apps
[09:06] <ForgeAus> I'd have to say I'm no java fan
[09:06] <PurdueBioBoy> I need to put SCSI drivers on a floppy, but edgy eft won't recognize either floppy drive I put in my machine.  the BIOS sees them just fine though.  Any ideas?
[09:06] <ForgeAus> I also prefer python (and/or Pascal)
[09:06] <soulrider> i learned to program with it
[09:06] <ForgeAus> and am looing into Haskel
[09:06] <soulrider> well, im still learning
[09:06] <ForgeAus> grr looking
[09:06] <nosrednaekim> Python is the perfect language for Linux....
[09:06] <n8k99> there is a netbeans for linux
[09:07] <soulrider> n8k99: there probably i
[09:07] <soulrider> s
[09:07] <soulrider> i think i should learn py
[09:07] <nosrednaekim> I like to compare python with Virtual basic
[09:07] <ForgeAus> its good for kubuntu because a large enough chunk of KDE is written in it!
[09:07] <nosrednaekim> yeah...
[09:07] <soulrider> n8k99: tried eclipse ?
[09:07] <ForgeAus> virtual basic?
[09:07] <nosrednaekim> Like I made a mod for guidance-power-manager to show watts...
[09:07] <n8k99> soulrider: no, first day of class is today
[09:08] <nosrednaekim> yeah..python is like the virtual basic of Linux...
[09:08] <ForgeAus> don't you mean visual basic?
[09:08] <soulrider> i think im gonna graba zureus and make it report fake stats :P
[09:08] <ForgeAus> besides theres python for windows as well
[09:08] <soulrider> n8k99: awesome! i would use Eclipse
[09:08] <nosrednaekim> yeah... that.,.,.:-P
[09:08] <nosrednaekim> yeah...
[09:08] <soulrider> i ehard its better than netbeans
[09:08] <ForgeAus> (and visual basic with .NET hsa taken a whole different course)
[09:08] <soulrider> i heard visual basic was utter crap
[09:08] <n8k99> soulrider: i'll look into that as well
[09:08] <nosrednaekim> soulrider: eclipse is in the repos...
[09:09] <nosrednaekim> !eclipse
[09:09] <ubotu> eclipse: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 121 kB, installed size 412 kB
[09:09] <ForgeAus> soulrider, depends on your viewpoint, it both is, and isn't
[09:09] <firecrotch> soulrider:  It is :P
[09:09] <soulrider> nosrednaekim: i know, i use it
[09:09] <nosrednaekim> oh...ok
[09:09] <soulrider> i thinkt he repo version is broken or somehting
[09:09] <nosrednaekim> works for me(I don'tlike it though)
[09:09] <soulrider> i should have programming books int he bathroom
[09:09] <soulrider> its the only place i cna be quiet
[09:10] <sparrw> Is the WD MyBook 320GB Premium Edition external hard drive compatible with linux?  I have seen reviews of similar models that are, but nothing specific to this model, and I cannot get it to work in linux.  My windows box had to install drivers and reboot to see it, which seems very fishy.
[09:10] <ForgeAus> again I prefer Pascal (or in .NET's case Delphi or Chrome - which are Pascal derivatives) better
[09:10] <firecrotch> soulrider: Haha, I have my VB.NET book in the bathroom, just in case I run out of TP
[09:10] <soulrider> sparrw: is it USB ?
[09:10] <sparrw> soulrider: and firewire
[09:10] <soulrider> LOL firecrotch
[09:10] <ForgeAus> lol firecrotch :)
[09:10] <nosrednaekim> haha firecrotch
[09:11] <soulrider_> im gonna take my Programming Challenges book tot he bathroom, theres a few chapters i need to read :P
[09:11] <ForgeAus> still I havn't seen a linux IDE that beats the ease of use in Winforms in Visual Studio
[09:11] <nosrednaekim> Winforms?
[09:11] <raffytaffy> improvised explosive device?
[09:11] <sparrw> ForgeAus: and you wont, until someone starts charging $400 for it
[09:11] <ForgeAus> yeah system.windows.forms in .net
[09:12] <firecrotch> I must admit, Visual Studio is pretty nice
[09:12] <ForgeAus> sparrw, possibly but thats sad :(
[09:12] <teepark> I'm having a problem with the multiverse repository... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12200/
[09:12] <sparrw> visual studio and ms access are two of the big draws to windows, as a programmer
[09:12] <ForgeAus> access?? are you serious?
[09:12] <firecrotch> sparrw: acces?!
[09:12] <ForgeAus> if tahts the case use kexi (at least I thnk thats what its called)
[09:13] <sparrw> firecrotch: yes.  theres nothing like it in linux when you need a simple db with a simple UI fast
[09:13] <nosrednaekim> access? I've heard...bad...things...
[09:13] <ForgeAus> me 2 nos
[09:13] <sparrw> nosrednaekim: very very bad.  the actual DB end of it sucks hard
[09:13] <ForgeAus> access isn't good
[09:13] <Xbehave> is there any ppis there an easy way to add tags to mp3s in bulk if its a CD
[09:13] <sparrw> nosrednaekim: but the front end is so easy
[09:13] <Xbehave> *is there an easy way to add tags to mp3s in bulk if its a CD
[09:13] <firecrotch> sparrw: MySQL + phpmyadmin
[09:13] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... such is the way MS is... all frontend
[09:13] <sparrw> firecrotch: phpmyadmin cant do enough
[09:14] <nosrednaekim> Xbehave: is its already ON the CD?
[09:14] <sparrw> firecrotch: nor can it do what it can do fast enough
[09:14] <nosrednaekim> or if you are trying to rip?
[09:14] <firecrotch> sparrw: like what?
[09:14] <Xbehave> nah i ripped a CD without an internet connection
[09:14] <ForgeAus> koffices database compoenet (is it called kexi?) does .mdb's
[09:14] <firecrotch> Or what about OOo DB?
[09:14] <nosrednaekim> Xbehave: oh I see... so it souldn't connect to the CDDB?
[09:14] <sparrw> firecrotch: like various 'view' configurations.  normal users arent going to wade through the query builder when they just want to see every customer named Smith
[09:14] <raffytaffy> webmin + mysql:X
[09:16] <frojnd> is there any amule similar thing that can be run in terminal?
[09:16] <frojnd> non gui so I can start it with monitor
[09:16] <firecrotch> sparrw:  For simple stuff like that, what about just using mysql from the command line?
[09:16] <ForgeAus> whatever happened to pl/sql?
[09:17] <jetsaredim> is there a way to tell knetworkmanager and/or ubtuntu as a whole to use dhcpcd instead of dhclient?
[09:17] <kipseron_> kipseron
[09:17] <NightBird> how would I make a .tar.bz2 file?
[09:17] <jetsaredim> NightBird: tar -cjf
[09:18] <adaptr> NightBird: tar cjf <filename> -C /dir/to/tar
[09:18] <firecrotch> quick question:  How can I allow some programs (knetworkmanager for example) to run with root privileges without having to type in my password?
[09:18] <adaptr> firecrotch: make exceptions in sudoers
[09:18] <carlos_> hi
[09:18] <nosrednaekim> hi
[09:18] <genii> yes, man sudoers
[09:18] <carlos_> I just updated kubuntu feisty and lost most of the kde styles!!
[09:18] <genii> (for syntax)
[09:18] <adaptr> CarinArr: b was already taken :)
[09:19] <nosrednaekim> carlos: oh....
[09:19] <Bonaldo2000> My ubuntu just freezed in the desktop and I could not do anything. This hasnt happens before. What might be the cause? Is it "what happens" or could it be serious?
[09:19] <Bonaldo2000> sorry....Kubuntu
[09:19] <nosrednaekim> did strl + alt Bkspce do anything?
[09:19] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: first determine if it's Xorg that is frozen, or the entire system
[09:19] <nosrednaekim> *ctrl+alt+bkspce
[09:20] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: I have rebooted, how can I check it? I was not able to switch to one of the other desktops...
[09:20] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: you should have tried either restarting X, or going to a console
[09:20] <adaptr> *could have, nobody's forcing you
[09:21] <adaptr> whatever, it would have started with ctrl-alt
[09:21] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: I did try to go to console....the keyboard did not respond...
[09:21] <Bonaldo2000> I couldnt do anything
[09:21] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: then it may have been a kernel panic - check your logs
[09:21] <adaptr> messages, syslog, dmesg - whatever yields information
[09:21] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: hm...ok which logs specifically?
[09:21] <Bonaldo2000> ok...
[09:21] <adaptr> way ahead of you
[09:22] <Bonaldo2000> hehe
[09:22] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: since edgy is not VERY stable, can this happen? Or might it be caused by hardware failure?
[09:22] <adaptr> reading logs is an art all of its own, one that will be valuable the rest of your computer using days
[09:22] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: not very stable ? how so ?
[09:23] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: careful reviewing of logs will show you whether it's hard or soft
[09:23] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: I mean it is "edgy", not very stable software all around, new versions and such
[09:23] <adaptr> if it's reproducible in any way, it's probably hardware-related, but not necessarily hardware
[09:23] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: again I ask: what do you mean ?
[09:24] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: I will take a look at the logs then. Thanks.
[09:24] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: edgy is just a name
[09:24] <adaptr> sjeesh, some people read shit into everything
[09:24] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: Hm, I may be wrong but I was under the impression that edgy was not meant to be a very stable release...like dapper f.ex.
[09:25] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: not that it is UNstable...
[09:25] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: nonsense, if it wasn't stable, then why bother releasing it at all ?
[09:25] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: www.ubuntu.com, look around what the different releases mean
[09:26] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: maybe for people who likes newer versions og some of the programs...and not very thouroghly tested versions.
[09:26] <adaptr> Ubuntu 6.06 "Dapper Drake" was special in that it is an LTS release - *intended* to be Long-Term Supported
[09:26] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: but as I say, it was only an idea I had...
[09:26] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: crap the maybe's, okay ? perhaps you'd better read before you fantasize :)
[09:26] <frojnd> how can I get size of file with cache? apt-cache search ?
[09:27] <WorldBFree> where can i find the files vmlinuz and initrd.gz on the kubuntu iso.  i want to boot the iso from an hd
[09:27] <frojnd> how can I get size of the package, with cache? apt-cache search ?
[09:28] <adaptr> man apt-cache ? you could always feed it into dpkg...
[09:28] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: It was not a very serious point, just something I think I read somewhere. Well, I will check logs...so better get back to Kubuntu...
[09:28] <adaptr> if the package is already installed, it's easy - if not, fake an install, and it'll tell you
[09:29] <adaptr> hrm.. bye
[09:29] <savor> frojnd: apt-cache show packageName
[09:30] <WorldBFree> where can i find the files vmlinuz and initrd.gz on the kubuntu iso. i want to boot the iso from an hd.  i cannot seem to find them exploring the iso
[09:30] <sympa> hi people !
[09:31] <firecrotch> sympa: hi!
[09:31] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: specifically what log do you think I might take a look at?
[09:31] <adaptr> all of the ones I mentioned
[09:31] <sympa> You need to see that picture, it's my neibour's new uh .. I have no idea how you name that thing in english but it goes behind a bycyle, : http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zezellekubuntucharrettegw8.jpg
[09:32] <sympa> it's awsome
[09:32] <sympa> He's a fan huhu
[09:32] <NightBird> how do I tell adept updater to not alert me about a certain package being available for update?
[09:32] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: sorry, man, could you post them again? :-) I was just in windows but am now back in Kubuntu...
[09:33] <tinin> Hello, anyone here using kubuntu Feysty beta ??
[09:33] <tinin> feisty
[09:33] <Skrot> I just installed it
[09:33] <NightBird> I am
[09:33] <tinin> so ave you got any problems?
[09:33] <tinin> have
[09:34] <NightBird> tinin: well... flgrx was a pain to get working again, for awhile I had a quantum network interface(it was simultaniously configured and not configured)...
[09:34] <tinin> I just can't run any gtk application
[09:34] <tinin> can you?
[09:34] <NightBird> also I lost most of the widget styles
[09:35] <NightBird> dunno, haven't tried
[09:35] <tinin> so can you use firefox?
[09:35] <NightBird> yes
[09:35] <tinin> wow
[09:35] <tinin> i get a weird error
[09:36] <tinin> error while loading shared libraries /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 invalid ELF header
[09:36] <tinin> how can uninstall this and reinstall it?
[09:37] <fdoving> tinin: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgtk2.0-0
[09:37] <jhutchins> NightBird: Look at the bottom of this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto for a link about "pinning".
[09:37] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: there are a finite number of logs on your system
[09:37] <NightBird> thank you jhutchins
[09:37] <tinin> thanx
[09:37] <tinin> trying
[09:38] <jhutchins> NightBird: I haven't actually applied it myself, but you "
[09:38] <jhutchins> pin" an application at a certain release.
[09:38] <tinin> hey, now it runs
[09:38] <tinin> thanx a lot!!
[09:38] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: I cant really seem to make anything of it. What am I looking for? Also, since I have restarted isnt it the new logs I am looking at?
[09:38] <smart_> !fix adept
[09:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix adept - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <NightBird> jhutchins: I installed it manually... will that affect how I would do it then?
[09:38] <smart_> !fix-adept
[09:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix-adept - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:39] <LjL> !adept fix
[09:39] <smart_> !fix
[09:39] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:39] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: you're obviously looking at anomalies around te time of the crash
[09:39] <LjL> !fix adept is <alias> adept crash fix
[09:39] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[09:39] <jhutchins> NightBird: Don't think so.
[09:39] <LjL> !botabuse
[09:39] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:44] <riuken> hello... how can i see other channels
[09:44] <riuken> ?
[09:44] <riuken> corazon
[09:45] <teepark> ruiken: are you in Konversation?
[09:45] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: I have a LOT of these: [17211459.696000]  hdb: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01) . Appears my both my CD-ROM drives are very confused. Do you know what might cause this?
[09:45] <riuken> no...
[09:45] <riuken> i guees
[09:46] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: could be any number of things.. the fact that both exhibit this could mean the IDE channel is b0rked, or the kernel did not assign sane IRQ/IO/MEM ranges, or you have bad disks in BOTH drives...
[09:46] <adaptr> riuken: /list
[09:46] <adaptr> or something... I don't do console :)
[09:46] <riuken> thanks
[09:47] <NightBird> well... that wasn't really the best option... but it will do for now...
[09:47] <sparrw> firecrotch: people who dont know the meaning of "double click" have to be able to use the db frontend.  hence, access
[09:47] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: yeah, or a bad cable maybe...
[09:47] <teepark> riuken: <Ctrl>+J, then type in the channel name you want, starting with a '#' (now you are in #kubuntu)
[09:48] <NightBird> I at least have 3d acceleration working
[09:48] <Bonaldo2000> adaptr: but it shouldnt really make the entire machine crash...
[09:48] <genii> I remember evry time I told my frient to left-click he would switch hands but hit the same button
[09:48] <adaptr> Bonaldo2000: so that's not it, you say
[09:52] <riuken> there is a way to look for an user? in all channels?
[09:52] <adaptr> riuken: since the users are logged into the server, there should be
[09:53] <teepark> riuken: "/query userName" will start a private message session with user 'userName'
[09:54] <teepark> I don't know about searching for what channel they are in
[09:54] <frojnd> hello! how can I get info about size of the installed package (before I do sudo apt-get install package) ??
[09:54] <teepark> "sudo aptitude show package"
[09:56] <teepark> does anybody know what I should do about this multiverse repo problem? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12212/ (lines 78-83)
[09:56] <jhutchins> riuken: Yes.
[09:57] <jhutchins> /whois <username>; in the server/status window if you have one.
[09:58] <smart_> teepark, i got this also befor
[09:58] <teepark> smart_: I've been getting it all day - did you get it fixed?
[09:58] <jhutchins> teepark: comment out the sos line and let Hawkwind know.
[09:59] <smart_> teepark, but i did some things wrong on my kubuntu and i install it agian from the begining and i dont have the problem know i dont know maybe the clean installtion fix it ...or you can do you list with easysource
[09:59] <smart_> !easysource
[09:59] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:59] <riuken> i dopnt have one how i can get the server/status...
[10:00] <smart_> teepark, maybe its with the source list try to make a new one with the site
[10:00] <jhutchins> riuken: just do it in the channel window then.
[10:00] <BluesKaj> teepark , that sources list has the wrong pkg names, the sources names should begin with deb
[10:00] <teepark> it's the exact one from ubuntuguide.org
[10:00] <jhutchins> smart_, teepark; Guys, comment out the repo for now and let hawkwind know there's a problem with it.
[10:01] <teepark> http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com?
[10:01] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: No.
[10:01] <BluesKaj> doesn't look like sources dpkg list to me , jhutchins
[10:01] <jhutchins> teepark: Sorry, that's not hawkwind, it's the previous one that has the problem.
[10:02] <smart_> BluesKaj, i dont think bec i generate the lst many times and its the same problem
[10:02] <jhutchins> teepark: Hang on a bit, let me see what I can do.
[10:03] <BluesKaj> oops sorry ... my noob knowledge showing thru
[10:03] <firecrotch> ewww... 86 upgradable packages
[10:03] <jhutchins> teepark: Sorry, too many things going on.
[10:04] <jhutchins> teepark: Yes, it's http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse that has the problem.
[10:06] <teepark> If I download the Packages.gz directly from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/multiverse/binary-i386/ is there any way I can use it in the update?
[10:06] <teepark> that file seems to be fine
[10:07] <BluesKaj> there alternate medibuntu repos :
[10:07] <BluesKaj> deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ edgy free non-free
[10:07] <BluesKaj> deb-src http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ edgy free non-free
[10:07] <jhutchins> teepark: Yeah, I was going to say, I think they fixed it.
[10:07] <jhutchins> teepark: It was probably in the middle of an update or something when you tried to grab it.
[10:07] <teepark> no, it's been happening consistently, it just happened again
[10:07] <Zhanev> i just downloaded (apt-get) beryl on feisty, anyone knows how to activate the emerald themes? my windows have to titlebar!
[10:08] <Zhanev> (beryl works ok btw)
[10:08] <jhutchins> teepark: Same repo?
[10:09] <Tod> Hey people, I have a pretty embarasing problem. How do I change screen res. in KDE?? I installed kde-core just now and the screen res is to hight :/
[10:09] <teepark> my sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12218/
[10:09] <jhutchins> teepark: try sudo apt-get update, see if that does any better.
[10:10] <teepark> same problem
[10:10] <jhutchins> Hmmm.
[10:11] <genii> Tod ctrl -    and ctrl +
[10:12] <Tod> genii, nothing happens :S
[10:12] <Mena> The Stable Will Be out on 1 APRIL or a day on april
[10:12] <genii> Tod then likely only 1 resolution is given in your xorg.conf file
[10:12] <genii> (1 valid one anyhow)
[10:13] <raffytaffy> sudo  nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:13] <Tod> genii, I can change screen res. in Gnome and XFCE without problem, so that cant be it :/
[10:13] <raffytaffy> add proper resolution
[10:13] <raffytaffy> save / restart x
[10:14] <jhutchins> Tod: Could be a keyboard thing, there's a screen resize tool (krandrtray).
[10:14] <jhutchins> raffytaffy: Read what he said.
[10:14] <raffytaffy> just did...as soon as i finishes my last line ehh
[10:14] <Tod> jhutchins, I'll see if I can find that!!
[10:15] <jhutchins> Tod: System tray applet, may already be installed.
[10:15] <genii> Mena I find it amusing that all the x.04 releases will ostensibly be on April Fool's Day
[10:15] <Mena> hehehe ok
[10:16] <Tod> It was installed! Thanks that worked great! :D
[10:16] <Tod> brb
[10:16] <Mena> !krandrtray
[10:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krandrtray - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <jhutchins> !info krandrtray
[10:17] <ubotu> Package krandrtray does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[10:18] <Mena> this the first time i hear about this tool it looks Good if it will make changing the screen res easy and adding more screens
[10:18] <jhutchins> !find krandrtray
[10:18] <ubotu> File krandrtray found in kcontrol, kde4base, kdebase-dbg
[10:18] <Mena> hmmm ok
[10:18] <wilman> does anyone know what my oss wave out device is? like /dev/....
[10:19] <wilman> how can i find this ?
[10:19] <adaptr>  /dev/snd/dsp
[10:19] <adaptr> or /dev/dsp, even
[10:19] <adaptr> !oss
[10:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:19] <adaptr> he's stoopid
[10:19] <wilman> ok
[10:19] <wilman> thx man
[10:20] <wilman> ooh and another thing
[10:20] <jhutchins> oss is what we used to use before alsa.
[10:20] <jhutchins> Open Source Sound.
[10:20] <wilman> ok
[10:21] <jhutchins> teepark: Maybe it's cached a corrupted .gz file?
[10:21] <wilman> what is the command to see the inside of a directory?
[10:21] <dejan> hello! I'm new user of linux ubuntu and I can't install VLC player! Can someone guide me step by step through plS!!!
[10:21] <crdlb> wilman, ls /directory
[10:21] <jhutchins> teepark: See if you can find a Packages.gz?
[10:22] <jhutchins> dejan: sudo apt-get install vlc?
[10:22] <wilman> ok
[10:22] <teepark> I just ran the source-o-matic and generated a sources.list which includes multiverse, and aptitude update worked
[10:22] <jhutchins> wilman:  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
[10:22] <teepark> I can switch back if you want to keep debugging the problem
[10:22] <teepark> but first I have to install some packages
[10:22] <jhutchins> teepark: No need.
[10:23] <Mena> it worked
[10:23] <Mena> why didnt with me !
[10:23] <jhutchins> Guess it is a source list problem.  Possibly a file got moved.
[10:23] <Mena> maybe
[10:23] <teepark> the file looked the same - one thing I notice is different in the new one is there is a us. prepended to the URL
[10:24] <dejan> I downloaded vlc_0.8.6a-jb-videolan-1.tar.gz from ftp://ftp.videolan.org/pub/videolan/ubuntu/sources, and what then?
[10:24] <jhutchins> !build | dejan
[10:24] <ubotu> dejan: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:25] <jhutchins> dejan: 0.8.6 is available in universe.  Installing from tarballs breaks the dependency system.
[10:25] <jhutchins> dejan: If you really, really want the tarball you should build a .deb and install that.
[10:27] <dejan> :) that is nice but how... to do all that!
[10:27] <dejan> i just whant to play mp3 for bigining
[10:27] <jhutchins> dejan: How about sudo apt-get install vlc?
[10:27] <jhutchins> !mpe | dejan
[10:27] <jhutchins> !mp3 | dejan
[10:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:27] <jhutchins> 'scuse.
[10:27] <ubotu> dejan: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:28] <wilman> there is no dev/snd/dsp
[10:28] <wilman> controlC0  controlC2  midiC1D0  pcmC0D0p  pcmC0D1p  pcmC0D2p  pcmC0D3p  seq
[10:28] <wilman> controlC1  midiC0D0   pcmC0D0c  pcmC0D1c  pcmC0D2c  pcmC0D3c  pcmC2D0c  timer
[10:28] <dejan> is there any program for converting mp3 in ogg?
[10:28] <jhutchins> wilman: Then the kernel module for your sound card is not loaded, and you probably need to review your alsa installation and configuration.
[10:28] <wilman> hahaah lol
[10:28] <wilman> noo my sound works
[10:28] <jhutchins> wilman: With no digital signal processor?
[10:29] <bobbyd> dejan: that's genrally a bad idea as you'll get nasty compression artifacts. but you could just use mplayer to dump all the files to .wav and then compress with oggenc
[10:29] <wilman> i don't know about that
[10:29] <wilman> but there is no dsp in the map snd
[10:29] <jhutchins> wilman: Sorry, it's /dev/dsp.
[10:29] <bobbyd> dejan: you could compress to .flac, the compression ratio is much worse, but you'd preserve the original data
[10:30] <bobbyd> dejan: I think in mplayer it's "mplayer -ao pcm:file=output.wav yourfile.mp3"
[10:34] <riuken> can anybody help me with tha make_fw command its says that cant find such command...
[10:42] <nick_> hey....how can i set kubuntu to display my desktop wallpapers as my screensaver (i dont know where kubuntu saves the wallpaper)
[10:42] <N6REJ> lost even
[10:43] <N6REJ> ok, first problem I need to tackle... kaudiocreator goes HORRIBLY slow when ripping.
[10:43] <nick_> ^tell me about it
[10:44] <nick_> it goes fast on most machines but mine (and apperently yours lol)
[10:44] <N6REJ> I have a relatively fast machine so I don't get it.
[10:45] <olie> can anyone help me
[10:45] <nick_> It must be a hardware issue, my machine is amd 1.8ghz w/1g ram and its REALLY slow
[10:45] <Tm_T> olie: no, unless you tell what's the problem
[10:45] <N6REJ> nick_: in the desktop are.. there's a tap
[10:46] <nick_> tap...?
[10:46] <N6REJ> nick_: mines a bit faster but same way.
[10:46] <olie> i need help in getting xwine
[10:46] <N6REJ> tab
[10:46] <nick_> oh
[10:46] <nick_> ok
[10:46] <N6REJ> nick_: in display settings
[10:46] <Tm_T> !wine | olie
[10:46] <ubotu> olie: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:46] <nick_> display settings or configure desktop?
[10:46] <N6REJ> nick_: hmmm could be either way
[10:46] <juanfe> hello all
[10:47] <Tm_T> !hi
[10:47] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:48] <N6REJ> OH CRUD!
[10:48] <N6REJ> su is hosed
[10:48] <juanfe> anyone has a laptop that works well with special function keys with Ubuntu?
[10:48] <nick_> no tab
[10:49] <nick_> i clicked the "show media" tab but it keeps repeating the same image from my desktop
[10:49] <juanfe> mine don't work
[10:49] <N6REJ> nick system_settings>desktop>look on the left 2nd or 3rd button down says "screen saver" :D
[10:50] <juanfe> anyone has a toshiba laptop (satellite)
[10:50] <juanfe> ?
[10:50] <N6REJ> I'm 119 somebody, su has lost me as a doer!
[10:52] <N6REJ> !su
[10:52] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:52] <LegolasV> I'm having a strange problem, the polyester style doesn't work in some programs. I can select it in KControl, but not in the ubuntu system settings panel..
[10:53] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: Didn't you do sudo passwd directly after you installed it?
[10:53] <Camaxtli> LegolasV: Those programs might be GTK
[10:53] <Camaxtli> LegolasV: You can set their style in KControl's "GTK Theme Selector"
[10:53] <N6REJ> Camaxtli: I was working on sometihng a minute ago and I forget what it was I'm trying hard to remember ( darn mental illness ) and it asked my my su pw
[10:53] <LegolasV> Camaxtli: Konversation has it too
[10:54] <N6REJ> troy@Bear:~$ sudo passwd
[10:54] <N6REJ> sudo: unable to lookup Bear via gethostbyname()
[10:54] <N6REJ> :(
[10:54] <Camaxtli> LegolasV: Uhm, set everything to default options and then try again (I had a theme/style problem yesterday and after I did this it worked again)
[10:55] <Camaxtli> Also be sure to press Apply a few times, 'cause KControl has a habit of not registering it
[10:55] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: Nice, you overwrote sudo? :p
[10:55] <N6REJ> apparently
[10:56] <N6REJ> I think I moved me out of sudoers
[10:56] <riuken> can anybody help me with tha make_fw command its says that cant find such command...
[10:56] <Camaxtli> "<N6REJ> sudo: unable to lookup Bear via gethostbyname()" <- Sounds like a network error
[10:56] <Camaxtli> Not a group error
[10:56] <N6REJ> Camaxtli: thats the name of my box.
[10:56] <N6REJ> oh, ok, thats what I was working with was smb.
[10:56] <N6REJ> hang on
[10:57] <philfo> N6REJ: here's the best way to do the install:
[10:57] <riuken> can anybody help me with tha make_fw command its says that cant find such command...
[10:57] <N6REJ> Camaxtli: ok, I was usuing smb4k and told ti to use SU permissions when mount/umount and it asked me the su pw so I told it and now I'm stuck.
[10:58] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: If you want to have a root account, try this: Boot with liveCD, mount the root partition, chroot it, and then run sudo passwd to set a new root password
[10:58] <philfo> gimpshop:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=239277
[10:58] <N6REJ> I can't undo cause kde comes back with su error
[10:58] <reagleBRKLN> anyone know if there's a partimage channel? i installed feisty beta to give it a go, not worried because i just imaged my edgy root partition, went to restore
[10:58] <reagleBRKLN> it and it failed!
[10:58] <reagleBRKLN> so how do i know a backup image really works?
[10:58] <N6REJ> philfo: hang on I got a minor 119 here, I lost sudo :(
[10:59] <LegolasV> Camaxtli: doesn't seem to work, maybe it's just something because of the beta?
[10:59] <N6REJ> how do I chroot it Camaxtli?
[10:59] <tmske> hi, does someone know why ctrl+a acts like ctrl+q in my kde programs, I use a azerty keyboard
[10:59] <N6REJ> Camaxtli: does it matter that root is on the second hd and not the first?
[10:59] <tmske> and I am using feisty
[10:59] <dejanpetrovic> is there anyone that have little time to explain me step by step how to install vlc player on private???
[11:00] <dejanpetrovic> i just install ubuntu and i don't know what to do whit all that commands
[11:00] <Mena> This channle will be for fiesty stable right ?
[11:00] <Mena> channel*
[11:00] <N6REJ> Mena: if its using the kde interface yes else ubuntu
[11:00] <N6REJ> or xubuntu or.....
[11:00] <Mena> ok
[11:00] <neil__> anyone know a good free binary usenet client for ubuntu?
[11:00] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: Not really, just as long as you chroot it and use the liveCD shell and sudo to give root a new password
[11:01] <N6REJ> Camaxtli: I don't know how to chroot
[11:01] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: Give me a sec and I'll get it from the Gentoo installation docs
[11:01] <N6REJ> k ty
[11:02] <LegolasV> tmske: systemsettings -> region -> keyboardlayout is it set up right?
[11:04] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: mount /dev/hda<root partition #> /mnt; chroot /mnt/ /bin/bash
[11:04] <Camaxtli> *correction:
[11:04] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: mount /dev/hda<root partition #> /mnt; chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[11:04] <LeeJunFan> how do you set the system default editor again? nano wordwrap really ticks me off :)
[11:04] <N6REJ> k ty
[11:04] <Hirs> hi
[11:04] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: After that -> sudo passwd
[11:04] <neil__> http://nzb.sourceforge.net/about/
[11:04] <N6REJ> k
[11:04] <tmske> LegolasV: I believe so, I've set dutch as my language and belgium be as keyboard layout
[11:04] <neil__> has anyone used this, or can anyone recommend something better?
[11:05] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: If it works you should after booting back into your install have access to the root account
[11:05] <Hirs> Is there a way to NetworkManager to connect before login?
[11:05] <N6REJ> k
[11:05] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: In that case you can add yourself to sudo again if that's the problem
[11:06] <N6REJ> the problem is that I'm no longer a member of /etc/sudoers
[11:07] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: If that's the problem, just set a root password via liveCD chroot, then reboot and login as root. You should be capable of adding yourself again
[11:07] <N6REJ> k
[11:07] <N6REJ> back in a bit
[11:08] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: And it should work because it's how I got root access back to my slackware box after my brother trashed it
[11:08] <kipseron> !kdesu
[11:08] <kipseron> somone can tell me how i do the command kdesu in ubuntu
[11:08] <kipseron> ?
[11:08] <kipseron> what the command in ubuntu
[11:08] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[11:08] <N6REJ> lol
[11:08] <N6REJ> whats the channel for the bot?
[11:09] <polly1> I think there is a gktsu or something.
[11:09] <LegolasV> tmske: belgium is always azerty isn't it? (I'm dutch) When belgium is above in the list of layouts and the variant is set up the way you need it it should work, for as far as I know (it works for me)
[11:09] <kipseron> !gktsu
[11:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gktsu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:09] <frojnd> huh
[11:09] <kipseron> !gksudo
[11:09] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application> 
[11:09] <frojnd> I can't see my panel
[11:09] <frojnd> only K
[11:09] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: If you need help on the liveCD install irssi or something on it so I can talk you through it should it be necessary.
[11:09] <N6REJ> !bot
[11:09] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:10] <N6REJ> k
[11:10] <frojnd> I run kicker but it doesn't help
[11:10] <Mena> kill kicker at first
[11:10] <Mena> killall kicker
[11:10] <Mena> then run it myabe works
[11:10] <Mena> sudo killall kicker
[11:10] <LegolasV> isn't the K menu part of the kicker?
[11:11] <Camaxtli> K Menu is an applet usually located on kicker
[11:11] <Camaxtli> kicker is merely a panel you can configure.
[11:11] <LegolasV> my guess would be all other applets were removed, although it would be strange :P
[11:12] <Camaxtli> frojnd: Did you configure the kicker panel and gave unmarked the "stretch when needed" ?
[11:14] <kekos_> hi
[11:14] <kekos_> I have a problem with my wireless connection
[11:14] <kekos_> could somebody help me?
[11:15] <kekos_> hello??
[11:15] <MepisReign> hello kekos
[11:15] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[11:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:15] <LeeJunFan> kekos_: what kind of problem?
[11:16] <kekos_> I have installed the drivers for my asuswl-138g
[11:16] <kekos_> and it seems that the card is working
[11:17] <kekos_> but when i try to connect to my bt-hub
[11:17] <tmske> LegolasV: there is a bug report of it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/72619, and other things like  and ^ don't work either, I can't get the letter underneed the icon
[11:17] <philfo> is there anywhere other than linuxprinting.org where I could find a driver for a printer?
[11:17] <kekos_> i just can scan for networks
[11:17] <MepisReign> can or can't?
[11:18] <kekos_> but it doesnt allow me swich to network
[11:18] <LeeJunFan> kekos_: does it find any?
[11:18] <kekos_> i can
[11:18] <kekos_> yes
[11:18] <kekos_> mine
[11:18] <kekos_> and 3 more
[11:18] <kekos_> but it says out of range
[11:18] <kekos_> but
[11:19] <kekos_> if i use wireless assistant
[11:19] <kekos_> it say that it has a good signal
[11:19] <kekos_> but neither i'm be able to connect
[11:20] <Iwonder|too> kekos_: iwconfig (interface) see if the info is corect
[11:20] <kekos_> how can i do that?
[11:20] <Iwonder|too> \in konsole
[11:21] <Mena> There is an app in adept search for kdockstuffs or something like that as i guess
[11:22] <kekos_> it says this: wlan0     IEEE 802.11b  ESSID:off/any
[11:22] <kekos_>           Mode:Managed  Channel:0  Access Point: Not-Associated
[11:22] <kekos_>           Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Sensitivity=-200 dBm
[11:22] <kekos_>           RTS thr:2346 B   Fragment thr:2346 B
[11:22] <kekos_>           Power Management:off
[11:22] <kekos_>           Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
[11:22] <kekos_>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[11:22] <kekos_>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[11:23] <LeeJunFan> !pastebin | kekos_
[11:23] <ubotu> kekos_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:23] <Iwonder|too> it didn't6 connect to the network
[11:23] <kekos_> ok
[11:23] <kekos_> sorry
[11:23] <LegolasV> tmske: those work here: . Your problem is exactly the same as the reported bug? (I'm not sure if there's a solution known)
[11:24] <bobesponja> when I click on a link in konqueror it goes on top of the window first and then change page, does it happen to you to?
[11:24] <kekos_> i'm not connected
[11:24] <Iwonder|too> i dunno why i had the same problem with wireless assistant,had to start it as sudo to make it switch
[11:24] <bobesponja> top of the page I meant
[11:24] <kekos_> but the network card is working, dont it?
[11:24] <LeeJunFan> kekos_: if you don't have any encryption on your network at the moment you can try connecting by hand by issuing iwconfig wlan0 essid [your network name] 
[11:24] <Iwonder|too> looks like it type ifconfig wlan0
[11:25] <kekos_> I have encription
[11:25] <tmske> LegolasV: the bug only reports the behaviour in kate, but I have it in every kde-app, so no ctrl+a or ctrl+z for me, and I don't think there is a solution known
[11:26] <Iwonder|too> i can tell you how to make it work in shell,but not in kwifimanager
[11:27] <kekos_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12239/
[11:27] <Iwonder|too> if ifconfig shows wlan0 has an ip and route -n shows a gateway then sudo iwconfig wlan0 key yourkey
[11:27] <Camaxtli> Don't use kwifimanager, Network-Manager is easier to use.
[11:27] <Axel> alguien sabe como puedo instalar un programa en kubuntu?
[11:27] <Iwonder|too> well iwconfig wlan0 essid yournetwork key yourkey
[11:28] <neil__> Don't suppose anyone here is familiar with SABnzbd here?
[11:28] <neil__> I need to know how to check my python version...
[11:28] <kekos_> sorry?
[11:28] <LeeJunFan> I think I'm going to write a python script for ubuntu users to run a shell command and pipe it to the python script and submit it automatically to pastebin and return a link. that'd be handy.
[11:29] <neil__> hmm
[11:29] <neil__> python reports that it is v2.4.4
[11:29] <neil__> but I can see python folders that are 2.5
[11:29] <neil__> why wouldnt it run 2.5 by default?
[11:29] <Iwonder|too> kekos  do you have wireless assistant?
[11:29] <LeeJunFan> neil__: dpkg -l | grep python
 can you tell me if i can use another network manager or what i have to do?
[11:30] <LeeJunFan> neil__: feisty has 2.5 as default
[11:30] <archangel_> Do i have to reinstall to upgrade OS versions?
[11:30] <neil__> hmm yeah, only 2.4.4 is installed, my bad
[11:30] <kekos_> i'm using kwifi manager
[11:30] <alphi_> has anyone here installed Comedi on a Kubuntu system ?
[11:30] <neil__> am I better leaving 2.4.4 and waiting for feisty?
[11:30] <LeeJunFan> !upgrade | archangel_
[11:30] <ubotu> archangel_: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:30] <Iwonder|too> get wireless assistant
[11:30] <neil__> Wonder if anything relies on it being 2.4.4
[11:31] <Iwonder|too> it works better with the hhcp client
[11:31] <LegolasV> tmske: I'm not sure, the problem for me is that all site I can find about azert and KDE are french. And I'm not good at french =/
[11:31] <Axel>   I need to install a program in kubuntu somebody knows?
[11:31] <archangel_> problem is adept doesnt work anymore
[11:31] <LeeJunFan> neil__: probably not - I think both can exist peacfully on the system at the same time.
[11:31] <kekos_> i have wireless assistant as well, and it says that the signal is ok but i cannot connect
[11:31] <Mena> !ask |Axel
[11:31] <kekos_> when i run wireless assistant
[11:31] <ubotu> Axel: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:31] <kekos_> it sasy
[11:31] <neil__> how would it choose which python version would run which files though?
[11:31] <kekos_> it says
[11:31] <LeeJunFan> neil__: if you find something that breaks with one you can change it to the other by editing the first line of the script that is #!/usr/bin/python to #!/usr/bin/python2.4
[11:31] <Sanne> Axel: what was the language you posted in earlier?
[11:32] <neil__> okay :D
[11:32] <neil__> thanks
[11:32] <LeeJunFan> np
[11:32] <kekos_> that i'm not runing the program as root
[11:32] <archangel_> how do I get adept working again
[11:32] <kekos_> and might have some problems
[11:32] <LeeJunFan> !adeptfixcrash | archangel_
[11:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptfixcrash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:32] <Iwonder|too> dpkg --configure -a
[11:32] <kekos_> how can i run it as root
[11:32] <kekos_> ?
[11:32] <Mena> !fix
[11:32] <Camaxtli> Archangel_: Try: dkpkg --configure -a
[11:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:32] <archangel_> ok
[11:32] <Camaxtli> Archangel_: Try: sudo dkpkg --configure -a
[11:32] <abortd__> what program?
[11:33] <Iwonder|too> kekos_: sudo wlassistant
[11:33] <abortd__> !adept
[11:33] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:33] <Camaxtli> Argh I can't type
[11:33] <Camaxtli> Archangel_: Try: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:33] <tmske> LegolasV: well my frensh is not that good.  I think I will do a fresh reinstall when feisty goes stable and hope that the problem is solved then
[11:33] <emet> !emacs
[11:33] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[11:33] <LeeJunFan> !adeptcrashfix |arch
[11:33] <ubotu> arch: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[11:33] <emet> how do I do package
[11:33] <emet> !info emacs
[11:34] <ubotu> emacs: The GNU Emacs editor. In component main, is optional. Version 21-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 32 kB
[11:34] <emet> ?
[11:34] <archangel_> I get command not found
[11:34] <frojnd> ok guys: I need to install something that I could run XP... so I am thinking about KVM or vmware, what do u suggest?
[11:34] <Iwonder|too> emet:  what you want to know?
[11:34] <Camaxtli> Archangel_: I made a type -> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:34] <AbortD> that you could run in xp
[11:34] <AbortD> is that what u mean?
[11:34] <dthacker> Hello, how can I tell which version of Kubuntu I have installed on a machine? (Dapper or Edgy?)
[11:35] <Iwonder|too> frojnd:  i've used vmware ware with xp,it works well
[11:35] <AbortD> dthacker: is it 6.10?
[11:35] <LeeJunFan> frojnd: vmware is good for that.
[11:35] <kekos_> nice, i'm connected
[11:35] <LegolasV> tmske: maybe you can try on #ubuntu-nl, there more flamish(? - I mean "vlaams") people there
[11:35] <kekos_> thank you
[11:35] <emet> why is emacs so big
[11:35] <archangel_> still getthe error
[11:36] <Sanne> dthacker: cat /etc/lsb-release
[11:36] <Camaxtli> archangel: What error do you get exactly?
[11:36] <dthacker> AbortD: not sure. is there a uname fllag or version file somewhere?
[11:36] <tmske> dthacker: you could look at /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:36] <AbortD> i guess do what Sanne said
[11:36] <Sanne> :)
[11:36] <AbortD> :P
[11:36] <LeeJunFan> AbortD: cat /etc/issue
[11:36] <archangel_> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem
[11:36] <archangel_>  Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[11:37] <dthacker> Sanne: /etc/lsb-release had the info.  Thank you all.
[11:37] <Sanne> dthacker: you're welcome :)
[11:37] <LegolasV> Camaxtli: polyester works again, just needed an apt-get update and upgrade :) effect of the beta I guess :P
[11:37] <AbortD> im guessing u have edgy right dthacker?
[11:37] <dthacker> nope, dapper.   Thinking about testing the update tool on it.
[11:37] <archangel_> naturally I tried those other commands, but to no avail
[11:38] <Camaxtli> Archangel_: Try " sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a" and if that fails check the wiki
[11:38] <Iwonder|too> sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[11:38] <Camaxtli> |wonder|toot: You want to know what that command does?
[11:39] <Iwonder|too> no,i've become aquaited with it
[11:39] <Iwonder|too> when adept crashes
[11:39] <archangel_> Kill process 18669 ? (y/N)
[11:39] <Mena> archangel, try this  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:39] <N6REJ> fixed!
[11:39] <Camaxtli> |wonder|too: hehe, you also had that problem a few times already?
[11:39] <Iwonder|too> quite a few
[11:40] <archangel_> Kill process 18669 ? (y/N)
[11:40] <N6REJ> Camaxtli: didn't have to do all that, just reboot into recovery mode, and FIX the sudoers file it was hosed
[11:40] <N6REJ> then reset the passwd just to be safe
[11:40] <Iwonder|too> archangel_: what is process 18699?
[11:40] <Mena> archangel_, if it was locked do this killall adept_manager as i guess if it was asking a bout killing adept kill it bec maybe its locked
[11:40] <archangel_> no idea
[11:40] <archangel_> doesnt say
[11:41] <N6REJ> wonder think of it as a job #
[11:41] <Iwonder|too> ps aux|grep 18669
[11:41] <N6REJ> each time something needs to happen it is given a job#
[11:41] <N6REJ> it will be different everytime.
[11:41] <Iwonder|too> weird
[11:41] <Iwonder|too> what is wanting to kill it
[11:42] <N6REJ> nah, the system has to keep track of everything that is happeing
[11:42] <archangel_> do I close out and not answer?
[11:42] <N6REJ> are you asking how to kill it?
[11:42] <fribuntu> Hi
[11:42] <fribuntu> anyone with audio codec knowledge in here?
[11:42] <zerothis> i setup an old computer with 6 2GB and one 8GB drive. i was advised to put different folders on each drive and /home on the 8GB. but the drive with /usr is running out of space. I have 7GB free on the 8GB drive. is there a way to move /usr to the 8GB without losing any data. can I manually create a /usr on the 8GB, cp the files over, erase the original /usr and create a link to the new user where the old /usr was?
[11:42] <Mena> you was fixing adept so kill it what wrong
[11:42] <archangel_> Kill process 18669 ? (y/N)         <--- how should I answer?
[11:42] <N6REJ> y
[11:43] <fribuntu> Can someone explain to me if there is a theoretical difference between an mp3 played back directly and mp3 converted to WAV, burned to CD and then played via a CD player?
[11:43] <Iwonder|too> archangel_:  depends on what app that is a PID to
[11:43] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: Oh right, that was an option too :p
[11:43] <zerothis> mp3 < compressed. mp3 to WAV to CD makes an ordanary CD
[11:43] <N6REJ> fribuntu: everytime you change something like audio it loses some "headroom" so it is slightly or maybe majorily denegrated each time.
[11:44] <Camaxtli> N6REJ: But still you learned something I hope ;) Also, I recommend setting a root password know to you still.
[11:44] <N6REJ> fribuntu: the least number of times you have to convert it the better
[11:44] <N6REJ> Camaxtli: yep, I'll remember what to do from now on :D
[11:44] <fribuntu> N6RE: THe qustion is if mp3 converted back to PCM audio directly or indirectly makes a measurable difference.
[11:45] <N6REJ> I'm used to having just root, so having sudo was kinda a nice fall back.
[11:45] <N6REJ> fribuntu: it can, yes.  It depends on the encoding/decoding software/hardware doing the work.
[11:45] <n8k99> !motu
[11:45] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[11:45] <N6REJ> fribuntu: the real question is how much of a diff, and that can vary tremendously
[11:45] <fribuntu> N6REJ: I do not know how mp3 decoding works and what the intermediate steps are. But my guess is, first step is to reproduce PCM and then DAC it via the soundchip, then amplify it then you hear it :)
[11:46] <fribuntu> N6REJ: Suppose it is the same codec.
[11:46] <N6REJ> fribuntu: yeah, basically
[11:46] <fribuntu> N6REJ: So if you take that intermediate PCM, burn it onto a CD according to Redbook standard and have the CD player read, DAC and amplify it, where is the difference if any?
[11:47] <N6REJ> fribuntu: again you've got hardware involved.  Is the hardware designed to be hq like say a moog system would be, or low end like ess? see what I mean?
[11:47] <N6REJ> the quality of the dac
[11:47] <neil__> Error reading /home/neil/.nano_history: Permission denied
[11:47] <neil__> hmm
[11:47] <neil__> anyone know how to repair that?
[11:47] <nicoc> hello everybody
[11:47] <LeeJunFan> wohoo! my qt is pretty again :) hehe. Nothing like having a nice beryl desktop with qt stuck in 1997 look :)
[11:47] <N6REJ> the quality of the d/a converter
[11:47] <chijin> i would rather get a lossless version of the music and burn that
[11:47] <nicoc> can anyone help me installing kubunto on a mac?
[11:47] <zerothis> any thoughts on moving /usr to my 8GB ?
[11:48] <N6REJ> zerothis: there is a way to do that but I can't remember.
[11:48] <fribuntu> N6REJ: I see what you mean. But even if you have high quality hardware, can it make a difference to an already "lame" digital signal?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> there is no redbook std for mp3 encoding , only for PCM or wav in this case
[11:48] <LeeJunFan> neil__: sudo chroot -R neil /home/neil
[11:48] <LeeJunFan> neil__: oops, just a sec.
[11:48] <LeeJunFan> neil__: sudo chown -R neil /home/neil
[11:48] <neil__> thanks :)
[11:48] <archangel_> USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND
[11:49] <fribuntu> BluesKaj: That's what I said. Convert mp3 to PCM and burn it onto CD according to Redbook std.
[11:49] <zerothis> N6REJ: way as in configure it or way as in the sloppy manually rearranging i purposed?
[11:49] <archangel_> I'm lost
[11:49] <N6REJ> fribuntu: yes actually.  Some systems are designed to "clean" a signal and restore some of the "lost headroom"  The methods they use to do this vary from system to system.  For example I would never pit my tv card against a studios video encoder but for home it works great.
[11:50] <N6REJ> zerothis: no there is one step you have missing and it deals with /etc/fstab and a mv command but thats as much as I can remember right now.
[11:50] <BluesKaj> it's not gonna sound like a PCM or wav'd cd is my point...it's still gonna be mp3 quality
[11:50] <Mena> archangel_, what is the error in teh ifrst place i mean why cant you open it form the first ?
[11:50] <Mena> the*
[11:50] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: maybe, what quality was the mp3 encoded at :P
[11:51] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: what quality is the audio encoding at?
[11:51] <N6REJ> I can easily make a 22k mono mp3 :D
[11:51] <BluesKaj> well N6REJ , that depends the the compression bit rate that the mp3 was encoded to
[11:51] <N6REJ> and then output it as a 44k stereo audio cd, but it wont' be.
[11:51] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: exactly my point.
[11:52] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: and how much noise was introduced when it was encoded/decoded/reencoded.
[11:52] <AbortD> YEAH EXACTLY!
[11:52] <N6REJ> lol
[11:52] <Mena> archangel_, try to run it on terminal and tell us what is coming up do this on terminal kdesu adept_manager
[11:52] <BluesKaj> I'd search for a lossless version of that music if you want the CD quality
[11:53] <philfo> N6REJ: I got GIMPshop installed very correctly.  it was a snap
[11:53] <archangel_> error is this:  The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem.
[11:53] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: yes.  use the highest quality source you can and then save it the same way.
[11:53] <archangel_> Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[11:53] <N6REJ> philfo: cool!
[11:53] <Mena> archangel_, ok do this on terminal
[11:53] <Axel> i need help in spanish
[11:53] <N6REJ> philfo: lets sidebar if I'm done here.
[11:53] <N6REJ> !es | Axel
[11:53] <ubotu> Axel: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:53] <philfo> np
[11:53] <archangel_> I "think' the reason is that my sources.list is completely blank.
[11:54] <Mena> archangel_, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:54] <N6REJ> !easysource | archangel_
[11:54] <ubotu> archangel_: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:54] <BluesKaj> soundcards on pcs aren't exactly hi end HiFi circuitry...try to bypass them if possible by using image files
[11:54] <archangel_> however I dont know enough about linux to know its structure
[11:54] <fribuntu> N6REJ: Thanks for the info :)
[11:54] <pixelation> this is such a noob thing, but I've been working on it for hours, all I want to do is put some files on a floppy, can anyone help?
[11:54] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: I would agree with you unless your talking roland or moog
[11:54] <Mena> archangel_, to check you r source list do this kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:54] <Mena> in terminal :)
[11:54] <AbortD> whats como estas mean?
[11:55] <N6REJ> fribuntu: sorry if I got to technical, its kinda a hobby and I'm a bit extreme about it.
[11:55] <adaptr> hoe are you
[11:55] <archangel_> thanks  :)
[11:55] <adaptr> how :)
[11:55] <N6REJ> AbortD: what is your name
[11:55] <AbortD> haha
[11:55] <AbortD> i greated people with that before
[11:55] <N6REJ> excuse me.
[11:55] <N6REJ> how are you
[11:55] <N6REJ> my bad
[11:55] <AbortD> oh haha
[11:55] <AbortD> what abot prospero?
[11:55] <N6REJ> como te llama is what is your name
[11:55] <AbortD> i think thats how u spell it
[11:55] <N6REJ> prosper
[11:55] <BluesKaj> where does one find Roland & Moog soundcards for pc's ? :)
[11:56] <N6REJ> syntax is important
[11:56] <AbortD> surely not in a ubuntu chan!
[11:56] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: from roland.  pro-audio places.
[11:56] <archangel_> sheesh......errors all over the place
[11:56] <pixelation> could someone type out the quick and dirty ways to move files on to my floppy?
[11:56] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: you'd be amazed what you can do with pc's
[11:57] <BluesKaj> I think my bandmate had a Roland keyboard once
[11:57] <Mena> archangel_, with ? or this comes up after  doing this sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:57] <archangel_> ok, well I was wrong.... its not COMPLETELY blank, it has the letter "m" in it
[11:57] <N6REJ> lol
[11:57] <N6REJ> ok, are we done with the audio lesson?
[11:57] <ctw> Hi! Since my last upgrade I cannot use my NVidia driver anymore. I get the following error message: Failed to load module "wfb" (module does not exist, 0)
[11:57] <pixelation> N6REJ I don't see a floppy to drop media on... you mean /media/floppy0 or ???
[11:58] <BluesKaj> N6REJ, dunno much about musical instument amplification , ... I'm just an ol' drummer :)
[11:58] <ctw> Is there anything I can do on my end to fix this, or do I have to wait for a fix in Ubuntu?
[11:58] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: the amps make all the diff in the world!
[11:58] <N6REJ> sounds like i"m done with the audio for now.... lets go philfo
[11:58] <philfo> right on
[11:59] <BluesKaj> yeah, we have Carvin , cybertwin, fender amps etc etc
[11:59] <pixelation> :( what is the path of my floppy.
[11:59] <archangel_> the errors come up after" kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:59] <zerothis> i saw an alternitive to source-o-matic in my available packages, i planned to install it if s-o-m didn't work to my satifaction. s-o-m didn't. but now the alternitive isn't available anymore (thanks to s-o-m)
[12:00] <Sanne> pixelation: by default it's /media/floppy
[12:00] <Mena> archangel_, ok
[12:00] <pixelation> ok, I wll try that, but I thought I already had. :/
[12:00] <pixelation> this is so dumb I've been working on it for 4 hours
[12:01] <archangel_> does that mean I need another sources.list file?
[12:01] <Mena> archangel_, in any way generate your source list and try sudo apt-get update and see whats happning :) if there was any errors tell us what is the error :)
[12:01] <archangel_> or do I have a backup?
[12:01] <Sanne> pixelation: what do you get when you type: ls -l /media
[12:01] <philfo> N6REJ, what is the dang command to log into the pm's again?
[12:01] <N6REJ> yooo hooo philfo
[12:02] <philfo> see above
[12:02] <N6REJ> look up bud its already open LOL
[12:02] <archangel_> how do I generate a source list?
[12:02] <Mena> archangel_, you have a backup if you at first do this to back it up sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup
[12:02] <ctw> I'm running feisty, btw
[12:02] <Mena> to generate go here
[12:02] <philfo> I'm not logged in
[12:02] <archangel_> sheesh, I'm like a retard
[12:02] <N6REJ> oh, query
[12:02] <Mena> !esaysouce |archangel_
[12:02] <c1|freaky> why is KDE better than GNOME? some opinions?
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esaysouce - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:02] <Mena> !easysource |archangel_
[12:02] <ubotu> archangel_: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:03] <archangel_> ok thanks
[12:03] <Sanne> c1|freaky: mostly preference. Mine is configurability and some great apps.
[12:03] <c1|freaky> ok, some more?
[12:03] <archangel_> be back soon
[12:03] <Mena> archangel_. follow the instaruction on the pages and choose then creat then copy it to the source.lst after opning it with kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:03] <pixelation> just some stupid stuff that says root root or something, I mean there HAS to be a super easy way to do this.  That's why I'm freakin out heh.
[12:04] <marcspages> can someone tell me if samba not feling happy on Feisty?
[12:04] <Sanne> pixelation: lol! That's not stupid stuff. I like to see the output, please paste it to the pastebin. And please type my name so my chat program notifies me when you talk to me.
[12:04] <Mena> i think they make samba more easy to use on fiesty :)
[12:05] <AbortD> Sanne: thats why i use kde
[12:05] <Sanne> AbortD: :)
[12:05] <AbortD> ew kopete for irc
[12:06] <N6REJ> !webcam
[12:06] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[12:06] <philfo> N6REJ, ok I forgot what goes with my pword to log in to the PM's
[12:07] <marcspages> Mena: I wish someone would MAKE it easier. Still have to play with the /etc/samba/smb.conf file to get it to work (somewhat), but there appears to be a problem charing files from Feisty to Win.
[12:08] <N6REJ> marcspages: I still don't have samba working right but will soon
[12:08] <tekteen> can someone help me. I am trying to disable the default kde power manager on my laptop.
[12:08] <Mena> marcspages, i dont know much a bout samba and configurring it but if you are on fiesty try this channel may they offer more help  #ubuntu+1
[12:09] <philfo> GD!!  unknown command
[12:09] <tekteen> can someone help me. I am trying to disable the default KDE power manager on my laptop.
[12:09] <marcspages> N6REJ: Please tell me the secret - I've set up samba on 6.10 so many times without issue, but 7.04 just keeps stating "not accessible" even though the share is right and files are shared and share user set up (like this is not the first time I've done this!).
[12:10] <tekteen> can someone help me. I am trying to disable the default kde power manager on my laptop.
[12:10] <tekteen> it starts automaticaly
[12:10] <N6REJ> i'm using edgy
[12:11] <N6REJ> like I said I still have issues I haven't resolved
[12:11] <tekteen> what are the4y
[12:11] <tekteen> they
[12:11] <BluesKaj> tekteen, sys/settings/monitor&display/powersaving/adminmode/enable power saving
[12:11] <N6REJ> hang on on phone with m$ LOL
[12:11] <marcspages> N6REJ: Edgy works perfectly - no problems there - it's 7,04 I'm bashing my head against wall with
[12:11] <tekteen> ty
[12:12] <marcspages> Mena: Ta - will try new channel.
[12:12] <Mena> ok :)