[01:14] <robdeman> hi all.. how can I install binaries from launchpad? I just figured out that Launchpad has an updated version of mencoder that I need to install on my Ubuntu 6.10 box...
[01:14] <robdeman> the binary I need i sthis one https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/311600/mencoder
[01:15] <Nafallo> robdeman: download it and doubleclick the file (gdebi-gtk)
[01:15] <robdeman> however it seems a .deb Debian package; im only familiar with installing packages using apt-get from the repositiries
[01:15] <robdeman> Nafallo: my box has no desktop / gnome / x11 -> webserver only
[01:15] <LaserJock> dpkg -i *.deb
[01:16] <Nafallo> robdeman: so gdebi *.deb :-)
[01:16] <Nafallo> robdeman: or what LaserJock said
[01:16] <robdeman> Can I install from the online repository?
[01:16] <robdeman> or do I need to download first?
[01:16] <Nafallo> yea. it's in multiverse
[01:16] <robdeman> really?
[01:16] <LaserJock> robdeman: if it's not in the repository already
[01:17] <robdeman> so ehrm multiverse, I need to uncomment that one right?
[01:17] <robdeman> in apt/sources
[01:17] <Nafallo> right
[01:19] <robdeman> when I do apt-get install mencoder I get mencoder_2%3a0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8_i386.deb
[01:19] <robdeman> that is the pre8 build and that one has a nasty bug
[01:20] <robdeman> I need this one RC1 https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/311600/mencoder
[01:20] <LaserJock> then download the .deb
[01:20] <Nafallo> well, you could always try dpkg -i and try to satisfy the dependencies.
[01:20] <robdeman> LaserJock: ok - but what about the dependencies then?
[01:22] <LaserJock> gdebi should help with dependencies
[01:22] <robdeman> ehrm
[01:23] <robdeman> ok sudo apt-get install gdebi doesnt work -- dependencies problem
[01:23] <LaserJock> ok
[01:23] <LaserJock> try using dpkg -i to install it
[01:23] <Nafallo> solve them then? :-)
[01:23] <LaserJock> and if it has a dep problem run sudo apt-get -f install
[01:24] <LaserJock> and see if that'll work
[01:26] <robdeman> sudo dpkg -i ./mencoder_1.0~rc1-0ubuntu8_i386.deb 
[01:26] <robdeman> gives dependency problems - leaving unconfigured .. etc
[01:27] <Nafallo> yes :-)
[01:27] <Nafallo> that's a feature :-)
[01:28] <LaserJock> robdeman: ok, now try sudo apt-get -f install
[01:29] <robdeman> I did .. erhm.. The following packages will be REMOVED: mencoder 
[01:29] <robdeman> mm>
[01:29] <Nafallo> I'm fairly certain we dep on particular versions of some packages :-)
[01:29] <robdeman> yeah.. I just removed them .. autoremove
[01:30] <robdeman> I think they were installed with the previous mencoder pre8 version...
[01:30] <Nafallo> I meant the new one... x264 and stuff :-)
[01:30] <robdeman> so theres no 'automatic' way to use this https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/311600/mencoder
[01:30] <robdeman> it has alist there of all dependenies
[01:31] <robdeman> I hoped that I could just install that http://librarian.launchpad.net/6804255/mencoder_1.0%7Erc1-0ubuntu8_i386.deb package
[01:31] <robdeman> and then have the installer get all dependencies too
[01:31] <robdeman> it seems they are all available on launchpad
[01:32] <Nafallo> robdeman: like I said... the feisty version probably deps on more stuff that's only in feisty :-)
[01:32] <robdeman> Nafallo: what doe sthat exactly mean in rondeman speak?
[01:32] <robdeman> :0
[01:32] <Nafallo> robdeman: that you need to install more packages with dpkg -i if you really want it ;-)
[01:33] <LaserJock> Nafallo: it means it will probably involve downloading the dependencies
[01:33] <robdeman> yes I need it pretty badly..
[01:33] <robdeman> dpkg i snot able to install from an online source right?
[01:33] <Nafallo> LaserJock: yea :-)
[01:33] <robdeman> I need to get all packages manually I guess
[01:33] <Nafallo> wget ftw :-)
[01:34] <robdeman> ftw?
[01:34] <Nafallo> for the win
[01:34] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:34] <LaserJock> robdeman: yes, dpkg is used to install the packages, apt-get is used to intall remotely
[01:35] <robdeman> ok and I cant tell apt-get to use launchpad
[01:35] <robdeman> ?
[01:35] <LaserJock> no
[01:35] <robdeman> oi
[01:35] <LaserJock> it's very very complicated
[01:36] <LaserJock> you could fairly easily mess up your computer doing things like that
[01:36] <robdeman> ok
[01:36] <robdeman> so can I search the repositories that are available to apt-get ?
[01:37] <robdeman> i did read that the rc1 is actually in multiverse
[01:37] <robdeman> however when I install I do get the old one
[01:37] <LaserJock> well, the available repositories are in the sources.list file
[01:38] <LaserJock> the problem is the version you want is for Feisty (the upcoming Ubuntu release)
[01:39] <Nafallo> robdeman: it's in feisty, the currently developed version :-)
[01:39] <robdeman> ah..
[01:40] <robdeman> I see
[01:42] <LaserJock> if there's really an issue with the stable versions it should get updated or backported
[01:44] <robdeman> yes I got a mail from the mplayer mailinglist and they (correctly) said that I was using an old version and should get rc1
[01:44] <robdeman> now I dont want to compile it myself from svn trunk
[01:45] <robdeman> I would need to install tons of libs and stuff on my webserver
[01:45] <robdeman> I could compile it on my defore test box
[01:45] <robdeman> but that would not help very much
[01:45] <robdeman> I guess
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #96144 in soyuz "NEW rejection notifications should go to more than just the uploader" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96144
[02:30] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[02:30] <LaserJock> hi mpt
[02:30] <Nafallo> gnight mpt :-)
[02:31] <ajmitch> hello mpt 
[02:50] <sladen> Launchpad seems to be b0rken
[02:51] <sladen> it's timing out
[02:54] <poolie_> hello mpt
[02:54] <poolie_> sladen, for me too
[02:55] <poolie_> mpt:  when will lp stop hurting my eyes :)
[02:55] <Nafallo> and for me...
[02:57] <ajmitch> which has broken the wiki, how annoying
[02:57] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:59] <mpt> stub, are you bringing Launchpad back up?
[03:04] <lifeless> stub: ping
[03:09] <stub> lifeless: pong
[03:09] <gnomefreak> im gonna guess its not me, but is LP down for a while?
[03:09] <lifeless> stub: is lp down deliberatley? I'm about to restart things and didn't want to trod on your toes
[03:09] <stub> Nope - nothing to do with me
[03:09] <robdeman> so folks.. is there really no way to get my Ubuntu 6.10 apt-get to install mencoder from the Feisty repository? I really need the updated version...
[03:09] <lifeless> stub: its not showing the deliberate downtime message.
[03:10] <lifeless> stub: thanks. I hope I didn't wake you or kirsten
[03:10] <sladen> robdeman: -> #ubuntu.  google for apt-pinning
[03:10] <stub> Nah - woke early today. Tonsilitis :-P
[03:10] <gnomefreak> robdeman: you can but first this isnt ubuntu support, and i dont advise it but it depends what the depends are
[03:10] <robdeman> gnomefreak: I think the dependencies are safe
[03:11] <robdeman> gnomefreak: They are all a bunch of video/audio libs.. I dont use any of them really yet
[03:11] <sladen> robdeman: -> #ubuntu
[03:11] <robdeman> gnomefreak: I tried #Ubuntu ofcourse.. 
[03:11] <gnomefreak> robdeman: ubutnus mplayer has it built it
[03:11] <lifeless> stub: :(
[03:11] <gnomefreak> libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1)  not safe at all
[03:11] <robdeman> gnomefreak: I need mencoder... the version in V6.10 has a nasty bug 
[03:12] <gnomefreak> robdeman: see me in #ubuntu
[03:13] <lifeless> stub:   File "/srv/launchpad.net/production/launchpad/utilities/../lib/zope/app/rdb/__init__.py", line 289, in execute
[03:13] <lifeless>     return self.cursor.execute(operation, parameters)
[03:13] <lifeless> ProgrammingError: ERROR:  could not access status of transaction 0
[03:13] <lifeless> DETAIL:  Could not write to file "pg_subtrans/1B99" at offset 221184: No space left on device.
[03:13] <lifeless> stub: /dev/cciss/c1d0p1     268G  254G     0 100% /srv
[03:13] <stub> yay.
[03:13] <lifeless> over to you, I'm in a bzr sprint :).
[03:20] <poolie_> stub: lifeless: i'm now getting an oops, is that expected?
[03:20] <lifeless> poolie_: yes
[03:21] <sladen> stub: as a quick hack, maybe you can change the root-reserved space on that partition
[03:22] <sladen> stub: bump it down from 5% to 1-2%
[03:22] <lifeless> sladen: we dont have root ourselves, need a sysop
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #96188 in launchpad "cscvs tests fail with cvs in feisty" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96188
[03:44] <LeeJunFan> mpt: noticed concerning the page not showing in konq that simply resizing the window can fix it.
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #96211 in launchpad "On project registration page, "Owner" description is gibberish" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96211
[06:25] <lifeless> jamesh: ping on reviews
[06:25] <jamesh> lifeless: doing salgado's one today
[06:27] <lifeless> thanks
[09:17] <carlos> morning
[09:27] <mdke> morning carlos 
[09:29] <carlos> mdke: hey
[10:05] <jamesh> lifeless: I think we were meant to have a reviewer team meeting 2 hours ago
[10:06] <dholbach> hellas
[10:06] <dholbach> could it be that LP dropped a bunch of mailed bugs?
[10:07] <dholbach> i filed 84 on friday evening
[10:14] <lifeless> jamesh: anctually, now I think
[10:14] <lifeless> or perhaps it was back. How about we chat on wednesday ? :)
[10:15] <jamesh> lifeless: it says 06:00 UTC on the wiki, which was 2 hours ago
[10:15] <jamesh> sure :)
[10:15] <lifeless> oops
[10:15] <jamesh> this was bound to happen around the DST transition
[10:15] <lifeless> yah
[10:15] <lifeless> also, sprinting.
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #96278 in launchpad "Changing the ownership of a team sets expirantion date when there was none" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96278
[11:12] <Fujitsu> Is there any progress on a fix for the issue that causes LP to frequently return an empty response?
[11:13] <Fujitsu> It's currently unusable, with about every 2nd page load doing that.
[11:15] <mpt> Fujitsu, it's bug 89194
[11:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 89194 in launchpad "LP (regular and beta) sending gzipped binary files" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89194
[11:15] <Fujitsu> Thanks mpt.
[11:16] <Fujitsu> I'm unable to reproduce that Etch background bug... Can you find out which package it's in, please?
[11:16] <mpt> How would I find out?
[11:16] <mpt> I can't even tell what the filename is
[11:17] <dholbach> hey BjornT - do you know anything about LP dropping mailed bug reports? I filed 84 bug reports friday evening by mail
[11:18] <Fujitsu> mpt: If you set it as your background, open up gconf-editor, and navigate to desktop->gnome->background, you'll see the filename.
[11:20] <mpt>  /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-background
[11:20] <mpt> So now I suppose there's some magical apt command that will tell me which package provides that file? :-)
[11:21] <Fujitsu> dpkg -S filename
[11:21] <Fujitsu> I have desktop-base/desktop-splash, but not -background... How strange.
[11:21] <mpt> dpkg: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-background not found.
[11:22] <BjornT> dholbach: no, i don't know anything about it. i've checked the error reports, and there's no indication that mails have been dropped.
[11:23] <mpt> now that's really weird
[11:23] <mpt> Fujitsu, /usr/share/desktop-base is entirely Debian stuff
[11:24] <Fujitsu> The one file I have of that is too...
[11:24] <mpt> but only "desktop-background" shows up in Desktop Background
[11:24] <dholbach> BjornT: hrm - strange - I'll see if I can find a problem on my end - the mail log indicates it was sent properly
[11:25] <Fujitsu> mpt: That's really really strange...
[11:26] <BjornT> dholbach: maybe you could send one of the bug report mails to me, so i can have a look at it? maybe it's a bug in our error reporting system.
[11:28] <Fujitsu> mpt: I can't find any Etch stuff, actually... It's not in the gnome-session source, which is where that directory comes from, either.
[11:29] <Fujitsu> mpt: I must say that it looks like your system is on crack.
[11:29] <mpt> It's trying to send me subliminal "switch to Debian" messages
[11:31] <dholbach> BjornT: sent one
[11:32] <BjornT> thanks
[11:35] <BjornT> dholbach: did you sent the bug reports from the same From address? if so, it looks like that address isn't registered with your account in LP.
[11:36] <dholbach> BjornT: i just noticed... sorry. :-(
[11:36] <BjornT> dholbach: also, you should have a slash in front of 'distros', so /distros/ubuntu/emile
[11:36] <dholbach> BjornT: i'll fix it and try again
[11:36] <dholbach> oh ok
[11:36] <dholbach> thanks
[11:36] <BjornT> dholbach: well, it's a but that you didn't get any error message.
[11:36] <BjornT> s/but/bug/
[11:37] <Fujitsu> BjornT: you don't need the leading /, do you? I'm sure I've filed bugs without it...
[11:40] <dholbach> ok, filed another one - let's see if it gets through now
[11:40] <BjornT> Fujitsu: could be, but there's no tests for paths without a leading / . although, soon you won't need the 'distros' part either, and then i'm sure it won't matter if you have a leading / or not.
[11:42] <Fujitsu> BjornT: I've been able to submit with the / or distros for at least a month.
[11:43] <BjornT> oh, that's good :)
[11:53] <dholbach> BjornT: thanks again - it works now
[11:55] <Fujitsu> Didn't really need more bugs, dholbach. :(
[11:56] <dholbach> Fujitsu: you're preaching to the choir
[11:57] <dholbach> Fujitsu: unmetdeps - we agreed on filing them, so people can start helping out MOTU
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Yeah
[11:57] <Fujitsu> A lot of php4-related ones, I presume.
[11:58] <dholbach> not that many
[11:58] <dholbach> 14 of 84
[12:50] <Kmos> please update k3b to v1.0 on feisty - https://launchpad.net/bugs/93141
[12:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 93141 in k3b "Should update to k3b 1.0 before feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[12:53] <Fujitsu> Kmos: This isn't an Ubuntu channel...
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> Kmos: you want to talk to riddel at #kubuntu-devel, but it's probably too late for k3b1.0
[12:57] <Kmos> :(
[12:57] <Kmos> I've asked for it a while
[12:57] <Kmos> i think i'll compile it myself
[12:57] <Kmos> Fujitsu: I use k3b on my ubuntu =) with kdelibs hehe
[12:57] <Kmos> Fujitsu: but sorry
[12:59] <Kmos> LeeJunFan: thx
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #96426 in malone "Cannot (in any way!) edit a bug with a very long description" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96426
[02:09] <cprov> good morning folks
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #94790 in malone "Apport should add 'need-arch-retrace' to the reports" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94790
[02:38] <kiko> morning!
[03:50] <avoine> kiko: if you need more information about the froglinux you can ask me here. https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/4355
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #96463 in malone "Textarea overlap with portlet when reporting a bug in 1024x768" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96463
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #96466 in malone "Order of comment and attachment reversed when editing and when viewing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96466
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #96481 in rosetta "Virtual hosting for translation pages is broken" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96481
[04:40] <shawarma> Has anyone considered adding a "forward bug upstream" button to Launchpad? Linking to an existing upstream bug is fine, but often we get bugs reported that are not known upstream, and being able to just click one button and the bug would be forwarded upstream and linked to the lp bug would be really helpful.
[05:01] <sabdfl> shawarma: the tricky bit is figuring out how LP would authenticate to the remote bug tracker
[05:02] <sabdfl> for example, should we let users give THEIR logins to bugtracker X to LP, and then have LP proxy for the user?
[05:02] <sabdfl> i'm not sure we want to store those details
[05:02] <sabdfl> we don't even store LP passwords in the clear in LP
[05:02] <shawarma> sabdfl: Ah, good point.
[05:03] <Lumiere> sabdfl: you could make a launchpad user for the upstream trackers
[05:03] <Lumiere> so the only cleartext password is a launchpad internal one
[05:03] <sabdfl> Lumiere: yes, we could do that, and mention in the report who we are proxying for
[05:03] <Hobbsee> not to mention trying to find all the upstream bug trackers, i gues
[05:03] <Hobbsee> s
[05:04] <Lumiere> sabdfl: yep
[05:04] <sabdfl> but i think we would need to clear that with the upstreams
[05:04] <Lumiere> Hobbsee: there is already a list of about 70
[05:04] <sabdfl> we have a couple of ideas knocking around
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Lumiere: i was thinking in terms of keeping that updated
[05:10] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Making sure that the "forward upstream" button works is more than enough incentive to keep the upstream bug tracker configuration up-to-date, I think.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> shawarma: true
[05:21] <ubotu> New bug: #96499 in rosetta "The "Make suggestions from" gets in the way and is rarely used" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96499
[05:27] <xdatap> hi everybody
[05:27] <xdatap> mrevell: hi
[05:27] <xdatap> mrevell: one question about blueprint, are you there?
[05:30] <mrevell> xdatap: Hi - how can I help? Forgive me if I'm slow to reply, I'm on a call
[05:30] <xdatap> mrevell: good.
[05:31] <xdatap> mrevell: we at Italian Promoter Team (italian version of marketing team) would like to write down some specs to make the roadmap of works
[05:31] <xdatap> mrevell: blueprint seem perfect for us, cause show dependecies graph.
[05:32] <mrevell> xdatap: Cool
[05:32] <xdatap> mrevell: but, afaik a blueprint can be made for a project, not for a group
[05:32] <mrevell> xdatap: Right.
[05:33] <xdatap> mrevell: and i saw about a lot of spec write down for "ubuntu" but unrelated to it
[05:33] <xdatap> mrevell: so, how we can do, it's better to make a new project "italian promotion team" and write spec related to it
[05:33] <xdatap> mrevell: or simply using "ubuntu" like the rest of the world? :D
[05:34] <mrevell> xdatap: Other Ubuntu teams - such as loco teams - have created their own project on Launchpad, so that they can track their blueprints or bugs for their website, etc.
[05:35] <mrevell> xdatap: That seems to work best for them, because they can then keep all their blueprints together, without mixing them up with other teams etc.
[05:35] <xdatap> mrevell:  ok, so a project ubuntu-it seem the best way
[05:36] <xdatap> mrevell: thank you very much
[05:36] <xdatap> see you soon
[05:36] <mrevell> xdatap: no problem :)
[05:36] <mrevell> bye
[05:36] <xdatap> bye
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #96515 in malone "X server crashes starting live installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96515
[05:46] <sabdfl> yeah! that's bullet-proof-x for ya
[05:47] <sabdfl> mrevell: could you cast your eye over the reviewers guide i've written, please?
[05:47] <sabdfl> tomorrow i'd like to convert that to a nicely-formatted PDF to send to beta testers
[05:50] <pochu> sabdfl: LP beta testers?
[05:52] <mrevell> sabdfl: Yes, definitely. I'll take a look this evening.
[05:53] <mrevell> sabdfl: Or do you want me to look at it now, rather than this evening?
[05:55] <mrevell> hey Rinchen
[05:55] <sabdfl> mrevell: it's probably an hour to look over it and make corrections, your call re timing
[05:55] <sabdfl> i'll be here if you want to discuss anything
[05:55] <mrevell> sabdfl: Okay, cool. Thanks.
[05:55] <sabdfl> currently figuring out how best to get it into OO.o for PDF output
[05:56] <Lumiere> sabdfl: what's it currently in?
[05:56] <sabdfl> Lumiere: moin
[05:56] <sabdfl> https://help.launchpad.net/ReviewersGuide/MultiProjectBugs
[05:56] <sabdfl> that's the starting point
[05:56] <Lumiere> that's always fun
[05:57] <mrevell> sabdfl: Do you have a particular layout you want to use for the PDF?
[05:58] <sabdfl> i'm making up a stylesheet that (sort of) follows LP CSS
[05:58] <Rinchen> mrevell, howdy 
[06:00] <mrevell> sabdfl: Right. Hmm, I'd have thought that it's going to be a manual cut and paste job. I could do that, tomorrow, if you're able to send me the stylesheet.
[06:02] <mrevell> hey schwuk
[06:02] <schwuk> hi mrevell
[06:02] <popey> moo
[06:03] <mrevell> hey popey.
[06:03] <popey> (command line)
[06:03] <popey> hello mrevell 
[06:04] <schwuk> popey: you mean apt-get? :)
[06:04] <popey> :p
[06:04] <popey> I mean the way update manager goes off and does it on its own
[06:04] <popey> or can be configured to
[06:04] <Lumiere> uh
[06:04] <Lumiere> cron job
[06:04] <popey> but it would be nice if there was a command line version of update-manager IMO otherwise people out there with ubuntu servers might never update because they might never know they need to
[06:04] <Lumiere> calls apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -Y
[06:04] <popey> IYSWIM
[06:05] <popey> yeha yeah
[06:05] <popey> we can all do that :)
[06:05] <popey> think of the newbies
[06:05] <schwuk> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get update dist-upgrade -y &
[06:05] <schwuk> Will that do?
[06:05] <popey> well
[06:05] <popey> no
[06:05] <schwuk> Hah - Lumierebeat me to it!
[06:05] <popey> what my script does is download them but not install them
[06:05] <popey> figure out whats new and emails the admin
[06:05] <popey> so the admin knows there is stuff to do, but decides when to do it
[06:06] <Lumiere> that script can be used in ubuntu probably
[06:06] <popey> exactly the was update-manager does
[06:06] <popey> yes, it can :)
[06:06] <Lumiere> well make it -y instead of -Y
[06:06] <popey> I use it on my wifes PC :)
[06:06] <popey> and use apt-get -d dist-upgrade 
[06:06] <popey> but it would be nice if it were all wrapped up
[06:06] <popey> sorry, I shouldn't be whittering on about htis here :)
[06:06] <Lumiere> er apt-get -qq update && apt-get -qq -y dist-upgrade
[06:06] <popey> I should write a spec shouldn't I
[06:06] <flacoste> popey: there is apticron that does exactly what your script does
[06:06] <Lumiere> popey: become an ubuntero and write the package?
[06:07] <Lumiere> flacoste: win!
[06:07] <popey> :)
[06:07] <sabdfl> mrevell: i'll do it, it's pretty quick, just want your expert eye to have been over the contents :-)
[06:07] <sabdfl> will send out a general request this evening
[06:08] <popey> flacoste: that seem to fit the bill, thanks! :)
[06:08] <mrevell> sabdfl: Okeydoke :)
[06:33] <ddaa> Lumiere: "apt-get moo"
[06:54] <mooey> is there a part of launchpad where i can file bugs etc and fiddle around? like a sandbox
[06:54] <sabdfl> mooey: try demo.lp.n
[06:54] <sabdfl> it's not ALWAYS up, but when it is, it's a sandbox
[06:54] <sabdfl> or staging.lp.n
[06:55] <sabdfl> there's some code version skew between those and production
[06:55] <sabdfl> but by and large, they are a good place to fiddle
[06:55] <sabdfl> obviously mail etc is disabled (or should be)
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #96555 in rosetta "Switching filter setting sometime keeps the "start at" parameter, and then confusingly shows "Nothing here"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96555
[06:56] <mooey> thanks sabdfl 
[06:56] <mooey> i dont suppose there is a demo of the beta ? :}
[06:57] <mooey> i've been toying with making a gtk gui around malone to make it easier for me to deal with bugs
[06:58] <sabdfl> mooey: promise not to publish screenshots of anything you see in beta?
[06:58] <sabdfl> or disclose it before it moves over to release?
[06:58] <mooey> sabdfl: i'm already in the launchpad beta team :-)
[06:58] <sabdfl> oh, ok
[06:59] <mooey> my question wasn't very clear, i meant a sandbox of the beta
[06:59] <mooey> as opposed to the beta being the demo itself o_O
[07:08] <kiko> mooey, why don't you use staging?
[07:09] <kiko> also, have you seen the bughelper that heno is working on?
[07:13] <superm1> mrevell, was there actually a form to fill out for an agreement for beta.launchpad.net, or was it just sending you an ack over email?
[07:14] <mooey> kiko: i ask about staging of beta because i guess i will have to screenscape the data, i would rather not rewrite stuff later down the line :-). i've not looked at bughelper, what is it?
[07:14] <mrevell> superm1: There's no form. An email to me is good :)
[07:14] <superm1> ook good.  
[07:15] <superm1> should i expect to be added soon then? or is a time consuming process
[07:19] <mrevell> superm1: I add people to the team in batches, and I plan to do another batch this evening. I'm about to take a call, so send me your email and I'll approve you as part of tonight's batch. Thanks :)
[07:19] <superm1> k thanks mrevell 
[07:19] <mrevell> superm1: no probs
[07:22] <dneary> hi
[07:22] <dneary> mrevell: hi
[07:22] <pochu> mooey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper
[07:22] <mrevell> hi dneary
[07:22] <dneary> Can you explain the rosetta permissions system to me?
[07:22] <Lumiere> ddaa: thanks
[07:22] <mrevell> dneary: I'm just about to take a call, so I may disappear
[07:22] <dneary> OK
[07:23] <dneary> Is there a mailing list where I can annoy people?
[07:23] <mrevell> dneary: I'll see if carlos or danilo is around, as they're two of the developers working on Rosetta
[07:23] <carlos> I'm around
[07:23] <mrevell> dneary: so have a great insight into what's what.
[07:24] <carlos> dneary: what do you need to know?
[07:24] <mrevell> dneary: launchpad-users is at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-users
[07:24] <carlos> I mean, we have several kind of permissions
[07:24] <carlos> dneary: do you have doubts in one in concrete?
[07:24] <dneary> carlos: Currently, all of the translations of the wengophone (2.1 branch) are owned by "The Translation project" (I think)
[07:24] <dneary> https://translations.launchpad.net/wengophone/2.1/+pots/qtwengophone
[07:25] <dneary> What I'd like to have is a group of 2 or 3 authorised translators, who approve the suggestions of community translators
[07:25] <dneary> I don't know how to set that up
[07:25] <dneary> It'd be a different group for each language
[07:26] <dneary> I don't know if that's possible
[07:26] <mooey> pochu: thanks :-)
[07:26] <dneary> carlos: That's about it :)
[07:27] <carlos> dneary: that's controlled from https://translations.launchpad.net/wengophone/+changetranslators
[07:27] <carlos> dneary: but to set teams per language
[07:27] <carlos> you don't have rights to do it
[07:27] <dneary> carlos: How do you get to that page, if you don't know the URL?
[07:27] <dneary> I looked a lot :)
[07:27] <carlos> that's an standard group existing outside wengo, so we should map it to the reality so it's a matter of opening tickets to add new teams
[07:28] <carlos> dneary: from https://translations.launchpad.net/wengophone
[07:28] <carlos> you have an action that says 'change translators'
[07:29] <dneary> No
[07:29] <dneary> Edit product details, appoint driver, change maintainer, top contributors, packaging information, published packages, ...
[07:29] <dneary> No change translators
[07:31] <carlos> dneary: you should be in the 'translations' layer
[07:32] <zyga> carlos: hello
[07:32] <zyga> carlos: is there a designed mechanism for the upstream to recieve translations applied to distro packages (not to the upstream product)?
[07:32] <carlos> dneary: sorry, I was using the beta website and we already fixed a small problem with virtual hosting on that page
[07:32] <carlos> dneary: https://translations.launchpad.net/wengophone/+translations
[07:33] <carlos> zyga: no, nothing yet done
[07:33] <dneary> Yes, I see it
[07:34] <zyga> carlos: are you aware of any plans to make such process?
[07:34] <carlos> zyga: we have several specs to do email notifications and export it as a bzr branch
[07:35] <dneary> carlos: But I do that per language or for the whole project?
[07:36] <carlos> that option you have there is for the whole project
[07:36] <carlos> dneary: at some point, you (or someone from your project) asked us to set the translation group as the main group to do translations
[07:37] <carlos> dneary: that's usually what you need to do if you are using the GNU infrastructure
[07:37] <carlos> dneary: is that still true?
[07:37] <dneary> sorry - it what true?
[07:38] <dneary> what GNU infrastructure?
[07:38] <carlos> dneary: http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/translation/HTML/
[07:38] <dneary> we do use the translation toolkit (out of necessity - we use .ts files in the project)
[07:38] <dneary> but we don't use pootle
[07:38] <carlos> that's not the same thing
[07:39] <carlos> let me start again
[07:39] <dneary> I think the answer is "I don't know"
[07:39] <dneary> I do know what I'd like to be able to do, though :-)
[07:39] <carlos> Are you using any tool/team out there other than Rosetta to handle your translation process? (translation toolkit doesn't count)
[07:40] <carlos> dneary: the thing is, if you are using the GNU translation project, the setup is the correct. If you have your own translation teams
[07:41] <carlos> dneary: we can either get them joining Ubuntu translation groups or create an specific group for Wengo
[07:41] <carlos> which you will have full control to add/remove teams
[07:41] <carlos> using Ubuntu ones has the advantage that there are more people to do translations
[07:42] <carlos> having your own team gives you more control on who has rights to do translations
[07:42] <carlos> so it's up to you to decide it
[07:42] <carlos> dneary: another option is just remove any permission control and leave it open to be translated by anyone
[07:43] <dneary> carlos: I don't know, is the answer
[07:43] <dneary> But we have had complaints from a translator that his translations are getting over-written with "bad" translations without his knowledge
[07:44] <dneary> I'd like to avoid that, and empower groups of regular translators to translate the wengophone
[07:44] <carlos> dneary: right now, you are using Open permissions (anyone is able to change translations)
[07:44] <carlos> ok
[07:44] <carlos> so the question is
[07:45] <dneary> I'm afraid I have to go...
[07:45] <carlos> do you want your own teams, or will be happy to use Ubuntu ones?
[07:45] <dneary> I've had kids screamning at me for the last 30 mins
[07:45] <dneary> Can I mail the mailing list?
[07:45] <carlos> sure
[07:45] <dneary> I want to leverage translators outside the ones that I trust & know
[07:45] <carlos> either rosetta-users if you want input from other people
[07:45] <carlos> or if you just want input from the admins, use rosetta@launchpad.net
[07:46] <dneary> But I want to make sure that translators I trust & know have authority over the translations
[07:46] <dneary> OK, thanks
[07:46] <carlos> you are welcome
[07:46] <dneary> I don't know exactly what permissions I have, and what I might need, either
[07:47] <dneary> Is there an A-Z to being a driver or maintainer somewhere? ;)
[07:48] <dneary> One more question
[07:48] <dneary> Is there a way to filter translations by translator?
[07:48] <dneary> Can I see all of the translations by a person X?
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #96595 in malone "Malone should let anonymous users post comments now, and confirm their email address later" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96595
[08:37] <LarstiQ> jamesh: you're aware of lifeless' branch announcment work?
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #96597 in malone "CCing a person in mail to Malone should warn all involved that they are not subscribed, and tell them how to subscribe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96597
[09:37] <gnomefreak> anyone know anything about the email bugs to malone?
[09:37] <gnomefreak> its failing no matter what i use in the affects feild
[09:38] <gnomefreak> field and thats the error im getting back
[09:38] <salgado> gnomefreak, what error?
[09:39] <gnomefreak> You didn't specify on what you want to file a bug on
[09:39] <gnomefreak> i have tried everything i could think of including the way its layed out on the site
[09:40] <gnomefreak> affects /distros/ubuntu/firefox is the way they say to use it
[09:40] <ddaa> gnomefreak: it needs some leading space before "affects"
[09:40] <gnomefreak> it has it
[09:40] <ddaa> gnomefreak: and yeah, the specific way you lay it out is important
[09:40] <gnomefreak> i indented one space
[09:40] <ddaa> either distro package, or upstream, etc.
[09:40] <gnomefreak> i used /ubuntu/mozilla-thunderbird
[09:41] <gnomefreak> should i use /feisty/ubuntu/mozilla-thunderbird?
[09:41] <ddaa> dunno, really
[09:41] <matsubara> gnomefreak: have you tried without the leading / ? 
[09:41] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:43] <pochu> gnomefreak: are u using your LP-preferred mail address? Last friday daniel holbach had that problem :)
[09:44] <gnomefreak> im using my gmail same as my key is reg. with
[09:45] <matsubara> gnomefreak: would you send me a copy of the email you're trying to send and also a copy of malone's response?
[09:46] <gnomefreak> email?
[09:46] <matsubara> gnomefreak: just priv msg you
[09:46] <gnomefreak> i got it ty
[09:47] <gnomefreak> sent
[09:51] <gnomefreak> without the leading / i get path couldnt be found
[10:09] <superm1> mrevell, launchpad beta is very pretty :)  question though - any way to have the rectangles on the left to default expanded?  or possibility to have it as an option in a user's configuration maybe?
[10:10] <mrevell> hey superm1
[10:10] <mrevell> superm1: glad you like the new interface!
[10:11] <mrevell> superm1: AFAIK you can't change whether the portlets are open or closed, by default, by mpt could confirm
[10:12] <superm1> is there a feature requests section that i can add a few comments about that, maybe at least requesting a configuration option to set those defaults?
[10:13] <mrevell> superm1: The best thing to do is post a message to the launchpad-users mailing list
[10:13] <superm1> alright, i just joined a few moments ago.
[10:13] <superm1> will do
[10:14] <matsubara> superm1: bug 88342
[10:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 88342 in launchpad "portlets should be expanded by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88342
[10:15] <superm1> matsubara, thanks :) that saves me the trouble of an email
[10:24] <gnomefreak> ty matsubara i finally got it to work
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #96647 in malone "no-affects-target-on-submit.txt needs update." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96647
[10:37] <Adri2000> can I change my preferred address in LP to my @ubuntu one, without risk of an infinite loop? (@ubuntu redirects to @ubuntu redirects to...)
[10:39] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: no
[10:39] <matsubara> Adri2000: nope, it'll end up in a infinite loop. please see bug 5292
[10:39] <ubotu> Malone bug 5292 in launchpad "People setting preferred contact address to @ubuntu.com" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5292 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[10:40] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: you also cant change your preferred address too many times, or lp appears to break
[10:42] <Adri2000> hi superm1, you're just the right one :p matsubara, Hobbsee: see https://launchpad.net/~superm1, superm1 says it has been working like that for weeks
[10:43] <superm1> hey Adri2000 
[10:43] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: see !worksforme and such
[10:43] <sm> good day all
[10:43] <superm1> which one?
[10:43] <pochu> same here (for about one month)
[10:43] <Adri2000> superm1: about the @ubuntu as preferred address in LP
[10:43] <superm1> oh right
[10:43] <sm> https://launchpad.net/zwiki/+bug/1928 is assigned to me and I'm logged in.. why can't I close it ?
[10:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 1928 in zwiki "Zwiki doesn't appear in rosetta" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]   - Assigned to Simon Michael (simon)
[10:44] <superm1> Adri2000, i'm scared to take off the gmail address that it redirects to as a confirmed address in fear of breaking my redirect
[10:45] <Adri2000> yeah, I wouldn't do that too if I were you
[10:45] <Adri2000> s/were/was/ :x
[10:58] <thumper> morning
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #96660 in malone "Collabnet bugwatches" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96660