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Johnny5_nickserv register johnny501:17
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jmghello all01:18
jmgim trying to patch a package using quilt (libsdl1.2)01:18
jmgit's not as straight forward as dpatch01:18
jmgis there similar functionality to dpatch-edit-patch possible with quilt?01:19
Johnny5_I have a suggestion for the "Ubuntu restricted extas" package.01:20
Johnny5_The package seems to be only missing one thing. The libdvdcss2 file01:21
jmgthat cannot be included 01:22
Johnny5_I did manually install it, but it seems when you play a dvd through totem, you can not just select "play dvd" in the totem menu01:24
Johnny5_It only play's when you put the dvd and the autoplay recognizes the dvd01:25
Johnny5_Or if you open a location "dvd://"01:25
Johnny5_so perhaps there is a slight issue with totem.01:26
Johnny5_There is no point for totem to have a button to play a DVD if it doesn't work even if you have the libdvdcss2 file installed.01:26
Johnny5_Where can I go to make a suggestion to the developers of totem? Is there an open forum, or website? I realize totem is developed through gnome, or as part of gnome.01:28
NafalloJohnny5_: bugzilla.gnome.org01:28
Johnny5_feisty is working great other than that. I have had no problems. The 3d effects work pretty well though they it is just eyecandy01:30
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Johnny5_Search feature on Firefox 2.0 and higher, has bad search feature. There are no options. It's just a text box.01:35
NafalloJohnny5_: better to file bugs when you find them :-)01:36
NafalloJohnny5_: https://launchpad.net01:36
Johnny5_are most programs on there??01:37
Nafallothat's the bug tracking system ubuntu uses01:38
Johnny5_Thanks again. Unfortunately at the moment I don't know enough about programming to help out directly, but I certainly can make some good suggestions to improve ubuntu software.01:40
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reitblattany idea why opensync-plugin-google-calendar seems to be in main while all the opensync stuff is in unvierse?01:48
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ajmitchno, and I'd say it shouldn't be01:48
ajmitchsomething weird going on there01:49
reitblattwell, besides the fact that it doesn't even work...01:49
ajmitchMithrandir: in case you're awake still, opensync-plugin-google-calendar is another that appears to have binaries in main, with source in universe01:49
reitblattbug #8487401:49
ubotuMalone bug 84874 in libopensync-plugin-google-calendar "missing helper" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8487401:50
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alex-weejcan someone give me a hint as to where to look for the fix that fixed https://launchpad.net/bugs/71040 please?02:23
ubotuMalone bug 71040 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Kernel 2.6.20 reboots instead of shutting down" [Medium,Fix released]  02:23
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mptasac, once you're awake, I'm interested in hearing more about this "tailored bug workflow" the mozilla team has02:33
mptIf different teams have different meanings for the same bug statuses, that makes collaboration across projects more difficult02:35
mptso it'll be good to come up with a set of statuses and meanings that suit the most projects02:35
hugoBenC, ping02:37
BenChugo: pong02:38
hugoBenC, i wrote a proposal to the device-manager02:38
BenChugo: what sort of proposal?02:38
hugoBenC, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeviceManagerSpec02:39
hugoBenC, but i dont know if it is good explained02:39
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hugoBenC, have anyone proposed this idea too?02:40
BenChugo: I don't see the idea, where in there is it?02:40
hugoBenC, i did not submitted yet02:40
BenChugo: then how can I know what it is?02:41
hugoBenC, can i send a mail to you ?02:41
BenChugo: yes, please02:41
hugoBenC, i put here; http://atum.caco.ic.unicamp.br/~hugo/home/device-manager02:42
superm1BenC, you see my note earlier about lirc?02:43
BenCsuperm1: Yes, I'll have to take a look tomorrow morning02:44
superm1BenC, very good02:44
superm1BenC, i ran into a minor issue with one module, but the rest tested fine (linsmod'ing them)02:44
BenChugo: What in your proposal is any different than what is already in the spec?02:44
BenChugo: The spec is not for details like you've outlined02:45
hugoBenC, i am thinking in change the UI to group devices02:45
BenChugo: Were you one of the ones that emailed me about SoC for this project?02:45
hugoBenC, no02:45
hugoBenC, i dont know your mail02:46
BenChugo: I have two applicants for this project to do it for Google's Summer of Code, so I need to see about what's going on02:46
BenChugo: Email me at bcollins@ubuntu.com (the info you just posted) and I'll have to talk to someone about how to handle this...I'd really hate to see 3 people working on the same thing and going off in different directions, or worse just doing the same thing separately02:47
hugoBenC, my initial idea was to implement the proposal02:47
BenChugo: I've already partially implemented it, but the rest needs udev changes in order to work02:48
hugoBenC, perhaps you will need choose between the 302:48
BenChugo: I have a project started on launchpad.net02:48
hugoBenC, ok, my idea would implement more since what is done02:50
hugoBenC, i am really interested in this idea, i passed any time studying this proposal02:50
BenChugo: I realy appreciate your interest in it. I'm just trying to make sure this is done fairly02:51
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BenChugo: There's nothing I can do to stop anyone working on it, but if we are going to include it, then I need to make sure it's done properly and suitable for our needs02:52
hugoBenC, ok02:52
hugoBenC, can you help me on a idea needed by Ubuntu available to be proposed?02:53
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sladenmpt: maybe "Needs Info" is actually "Debugging"02:59
sladenmpt: and maybe there is a separate "Needs User followup to progress" (which should time out after 30days and close the bug)03:00
reitblattdid launchpad just go down for ayone else?03:00
hugoBenC, the implementation you made is in gtk?03:03
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BenChugo: It's based on hal-device-manager03:07
hugoBenC, i am asking because theres a qt version03:08
BenChugo: hal-device-manager is PyGlade (gtk)03:09
hugoBenC, i could implement based on kde-hal-device-manager too03:09
BenChugo: One of the people asking to do it for SoC wants to make the core UI-independent so it can be used for kde/gnome03:10
BenCavoids too much duplication03:10
hugoappears the wiki is out..03:12
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alex-weejand launchpad03:21
mptsladen, what would be the difference between "Debugging" and "Unconfirmed"?03:24
sladenmpt: it tends to move out of unconfirmed when somebody takes ownership (starts proactively interacting with the reported)03:25
sladenmpt: users really hate seeing their bugs as Unconfirmed, so there's also a tendancy (I believe) to move them to Needs Info to imply that they have at least been looked at03:25
sladenmpt: I'd quite often [personally]  like to be able to set up   Confirmed ("yes, we know this happens")+Needs Info ("we haven't yet worked out /how/ (which method) to fix it by")03:27
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pittiGood morning08:28
Hobbseehi pitti!08:28
ajmitchmorning pitti 08:28
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Mithrandirajmitch: indeed, I'll demote it.08:40
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MithrandirAdri2000: do you have a NEW package exception for libclass-trait-perl?09:02
pochupitti: where is apport's compiz? there is no ~/.apport dir09:03
pittipochu: hmmm?09:03
pochupitti: isn't there an apport dir for the preferences? (such as: don't ask again)09:05
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pittipochu: there is a file for that: ~/.apport-ignore.xml09:07
RAOFpitti: It's been suggested that I ask you about the apport-retrace for bug #95814 - it was marked with need-amd64-retrace about 20 hours ago, and doesn't seem to have got a retrace.09:08
ubotuMalone bug 95814 in banshee "[apport]  banshee.exe crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 67344)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9581409:08
ubotuMalone bug 67344 in banshee "Crash while importing / trying to play at the same time" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6734409:08
pochupitti: thanks09:08
pittiRAOF: let me have a llook09:08
pittiRAOF: it's a duplicate09:08
pittiRAOF: the retracer doesn't consider those09:09
RAOFAh, ok.09:09
RAOFI'll have to unduplicate it and then re-add the tag, then?09:09
pittiRAOF: is it actually necessary? the original bug isn't enough?09:10
RAOFNone of the original bug have stacktraces.09:11
pittiRAOF: then duplicate it the other way around rather?09:11
RAOFAlso, I'm no longer sure that the bugs are actually duplicates.09:11
RAOFpitti: Thanks./09:12
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fabbioneMithrandir: if you are not busy could you please give your opinion to bugs #96072 and #96076 ?09:14
ubotuMalone bug 96072 in initramfs-tools "initramfs doesn't support setting NETBOOT variable for casper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9607209:14
ubotuMalone bug 96076 in casper "network interface must be enabled before calling nfsmount" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9607609:14
Mithrandirfabbione: I can do in a bit.09:16
fabbioneMithrandir: sure thanks09:16
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fabbioneMithrandir: also.. as soon as i can get back my workstation i am going to bug you again about redhat-cluster-suite. We have a bunch of code clean up and bug fixes to pull it on top of that one liner we already agreed on09:17
MithrandirMez: #69479, why have you subscribed the release team?09:19
reitblattBug #6947909:19
ubotuMalone bug 69479 in katapult "SRU: katapult" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6947909:19
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Mithrandirajmitch: do you know how f-spot 0.3.6 is coming along?09:36
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ajmitchMithrandir: not released yet, and the main fix that was needed for it is in the 0.3.5 we have09:38
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Mithrandirajmitch: ok.09:39
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dholbachogra: new dia (looks like final)09:41
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slomoMithrandir: hi... can you take another short look at bug #93540? 1.2.9 was released recently with a bugfix, two new preferences options that people wanted very strongly and a performance fix... if that's fine with you i'll skip 1.2.8 completely ;)09:53
ubotuMalone bug 93540 in liferea "UVF exception: liferea 1.2.9" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9354009:53
Mithrandirslomo: looks good; approved.09:55
slomoMithrandir: thanks09:55
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daseebhello... mhm... I developed an application that needs to link with option "-lgcc_s" but in /lib there is only a /lib/libgcc_s.so.1. why doesn't the symlink to libgcc_s.so exist? how should I properly set this up to share my sourcecode and others can compile it easily?10:15
hungerdaseeb: Are you sure you need that? IIRC gcc_s is always linked in by gcc.10:15
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daseebhunger: I think so... it's a little bit weird. I use fmod. this is an audio library. When I link to libfmod.so I get an error /usr/bin/../lib/libfmod.so: undefined reference to `__divdi3'10:17
daseebI use freepascal as compiler10:17
daseebsome people from fmod team suggested me to link to libgcc_s.so to solve the linking problem10:18
Mithrandirsounds like libfmod isn't properly linked.10:20
pochugood morning heno :)10:20
henomorning pochu :)10:20
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daseebmithrandir: mhm... ok... what exactly does this mean... what should be done to link fmod properly? how can I find out if fmod isn't linke dproperly?10:22
Mithrandirdaseeb: is libfmod linked against libgcc_s?10:23
daseebdaseeb@daseeb-desktop:/usr/lib$ ldd libfmod.so10:23
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daseeb        linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000)10:23
daseeb        libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7e01000)10:23
daseeb        libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb7dfd000)10:23
daseeb        libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm.so.6 (0xb7dd7000)10:23
daseeb        libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7dc3000)10:23
daseeb        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x80000000)10:23
daseebdoes this help?10:23
Mithrandiryes, it's not linked against it.10:24
daseebshould it be linked against it?10:24
MithrandirI don't know why; you might actually want to talk with doko, who's our toolchain guy and might know why gcc didn't link in libgcc_s correctly there.10:24
seb128Mithrandir: there is a new libcairo bug fix version (1.4.0 to 1.4.2), is that ok to update?10:26
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Mithrandirseb128: do you have the changelog?10:26
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dokodaseeb: you should show us the command line you use for linking10:27
seb128Mithrandir: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2007-March/msg00065.html10:27
Mithrandirdoko: please read the last 30-ish lines and please correct me if I said something wrong there.10:27
seb128doko: hi, did you read my python setlocale question on friday?10:27
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Mithrandirseb128: how does the malloc-vs-stack usage affect thread-safeness, or isn't cairo threadsafe to begin with?10:29
dokoseb128: sorry. maybe not10:30
daseebmithrandir: "/usr/bin/ld -b elf32-i386 -m elf_i386  -dynamic-linker=/lib/ld-linux.so.2  -L. -o ../cactus_jukebox ../link.res" 10:31
seb128Mithrandir: cairo is not really threadsafe to begin with10:32
hungerAny chance of seeing #78021? It contains a reference to another bug that seems to have the fix attached.10:32
Mithrandirdaseeb: you should probably use gcc to link with too.10:32
Mithrandirseb128: ok, approved.10:32
seb128Mithrandir: thank you10:32
daseebmithrandir: this means? how can I do that? 10:33
seb128doko: 10:33
seb128$ LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 python -c "import locale; locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '')"10:33
seb128Traceback (most recent call last):10:33
seb128  File "<string>", line 1, in <module>10:33
seb128  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/locale.py", line 476, in setlocale10:33
seb128    return _setlocale(category, locale)10:33
seb128locale.Error: unsupported locale setting10:33
seb128doko: ^ do you consider that a python bug?10:33
hungerI am seeing a message from python about there being no ScanPCI module during bootup. Is that a known problem?10:34
daseebmithrandir: adding option "-lgcc"?10:35
dokoseb128: hmm, I remember seeing that, will have a look today or tomorrow10:35
Mithrandirdaseeb: as I said, talk to doko.10:35
dokodaseeb: you should always link using the gcc driver10:35
seb128doko: ok, thank you, there is bugs on random python apps due to that10:35
daseebdoko: so what exactly is the gcc driver? I'm not so familiar with gcc, because I mostly use delphi/freepascal...10:39
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dokodaseeb: the binary `gcc'10:40
daseebdoko: can you give some more details? I should link with invoking gcc instead of ld? but I use freepascal for compilation. this produces some .a and .o files which get linked afterwards by the above commandline10:47
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dokodaseeb: so the pasted command line isn't complete, is it?10:50
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daseebdoko: I do "/usr/bin/ppc386  -S2i -CX -OG1p2 -gl -Xs -vewnhi -Fi../../units/lnet-0.4.0/lib/sys/ -Fufmodintf/ " -Fu../../units/lnet-0.4.0/lib/ -Fu../../units/synapse/source/lib/ -Fu../../lazarus-svn/components/jpeg/lib/i386-linux/ -Fu../../lazarus-svn/lcl/units/i386-linux/ -Fu../../lazarus-svn/lcl/units/i386-linux/gtk2/ -Fu../../lazarus-svn/packager/units/i386-linux/ -Fu. -FU. -o../cactus_jukebox -sh -dLCL -dLCLgtk2 mp3proj.lpr". this10:52
daseebdoes the compilation10:52
daseebdoko: and afterwards  "/usr/bin/ld -b elf32-i386 -m elf_i386  -dynamic-linker=/lib/ld-linux.so.2  -L. -o ../cactus_jukebox ../link.res"  does the linking10:52
daseebdoko: but without passing the option "-lgcc" to the linker it fails with "/usr/bin/../lib/libfmod.so: undefined reference to `__divdi3'"10:53
dholbachpitti: can you promote gnome-user-docs to main and demote gnome2-user-docs? (going to get gnome2-user-docs purged from the archive)10:54
daseebdoko: as far as I see, -lgcc should link with /lib/libgcc.so10:54
pittidholbach: what's the principal difference?10:54
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dokodaseeb: yes and no; please locate the libgcc.so (locate libgcc.so) and use that one.10:55
dholbachpitti: gnome-user-docs is updated in debian (different maintainer), gnome2-user-docs isn't - same upstream source10:55
dokodaseeb: how did you install this free-pascal?10:55
pittidholbach: ubuntu-docs Depends: gnome2-user-guide10:55
daseebdoko: from .deb created by the freepascal team10:55
dholbachpitti: i'll change that too10:56
pittidholbach: no other rdepends10:56
pittidholbach: ok, if you fix that, I'll remove gnome2-user-docs right away and promote g-u-d, ok?10:56
dholbachpitti: no bug to file, no mir? great :-)10:57
pittilet's save ourselves the bureaucracy10:57
dholbachyoohoo :-)10:57
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pittidholbach: done10:58
dholbachpitti: thanks a lot!10:59
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pittino problem :)10:59
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dokodaseeb: then please file a bug report to this team that they should pass the appropriate -L option10:59
daseebdoko: libgcc.so doesn't exist here...:( perhaps my gcc is broken. what package contains libgcc.so?11:01
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dholbachpitti: ubuntu-docs change uploaded11:02
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dokodaseeb: apt-get install dlocate; dlocate libgcc.so11:03
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cjwatsonerr, dlocate only locates files on your system. use packages.ubuntu.com to find files not on your system11:04
dholbachogra: new gnome-power-manager too 11:04
dokocjwatson: yeah, but this package is installed; daseeb: anyway, look for libgcc_s.so11:04
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dokodaseeb: to automate that: gcc --print-file-name libgcc_s.so11:06
daseebdoko: 11:07
daseebdaseeb@daseeb-desktop:/$ gcc --print-file-name libgcc_s.so11:07
daseebdoko: so this file exists... 11:07
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doko<doko> daseeb: then please file a bug report to this team that they should pass the appropriate -L option11:08
daseebdoko: ok11:08
daseebdoko: and finally: should I link directly to libgcc_s.so or do some symlink to libgcc.so?11:10
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dokodaseeb: please ask the freepascal developers; I don't know anything of the freepascal internals11:11
daseebdoko: ok... thx so far11:11
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dokomvo: does update-manager has some regexp expressions pickled?11:16
mvodoko: no, but gnome-app-install11:16
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dokomvo: ok, there's a fix on the python 2.5 branch to correctly unpickle regexps pickled with 2.4; will prepare an upload today11:17
mvodoko: cool, thanks11:18
mvodoko: I tested the fix here, it works fine for me11:18
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Enola_Gayhi all11:28
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Enola_GayDoes it make sense to create a bug report according the link of screen saver with gnome power manager?11:29
Enola_GayThat the lowest time you could choose in power manger is screen saver start time + 1 minute.11:29
Enola_GayOr is it just gnome philosphie?11:31
poningruEnola_Gay: file a bug report with feature request in gnome11:33
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Enola_Gayponingru: Thanks.11:39
Enola_Gayponingru: On Launchpad or the original Gnome hp?11:40
elianmdoes importing to Rosetta work at the moment?11:40
poningruEnola_Gay: just file it on lp11:40
elianmI'm having troubles like this https://launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/7601711:41
ubotuMalone bug 76017 in rosetta "Broken X-Rosetta-Export-Date header" [Critical,Fix released]  11:41
pittimvo: what's the current plan for bug 47044?11:42
ubotuMalone bug 47044 in apt "apt cant work with disable proxy" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4704411:42
elianmhehe, ubotu ? 11:42
mvopitti: still in verification-needed state, I can't sru-verify this myself as I did the sru reuqest and upload to -proposed11:43
mvopitti: bdmurray will have to sru-verify this (together with popcon in dapper and some other packages)11:43
pittimvo: right, I mean, is it still appropriate for an SRU in the first place, after the concerns raised?11:43
mvopitti: the concern from simon? I explained that in my comment (I hope :)11:44
pittimvo: at least the SRU queue slowly gets smaller :)11:46
mvopitti: most of the remaining items a either issued by me or HW dependant (I'm not quite sure how to verify those)11:46
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Enola_GayAnother problem is that "Add/Remove..." under Applications uses dpkg insteaf of apt-get or aptitude.11:53
Enola_GayAptitude and apt-get since Edgy log the dependencies or manual installed applications so it is possible to remove unused dependencies.11:54
Enola_GayThis isn't possible with the standard gnome installer.11:54
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Enola_GayBug or feature?11:54
Enola_GayYou could live with it but the system has more and more installations which aren't needed and which are very hard without much knowledge to remove. That's why I like Edgy so much and reinstalled my system. Of course you can use synaptic or console tools but who knows it?11:59
dholbachEnola_Gay: please file bug reports - add/remove uses synaptic which uses apt12:00
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mvoEnola_Gay: " problem is that "Add/Remove..." under Applications uses dpkg insteaf " where did you got that information?12:00
mvoEnola_Gay: what dholbach said, its plain incorrect12:02
Enola_Gaydholbach: But after installing xchat with add/remove with two dependencies it was not possible to remove those both after removing xchat with apt-get autoremove.12:02
mvoEnola_Gay: under what release of ubuntu? if that is the case, this is a bug12:02
Enola_Gaymvo: From someone on ubuntu-de-Channel and I got the experience described above.12:02
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Enola_GayOk, I made some more tests.12:03
dholbachEnola_Gay: you tried to remove xchat with apt-get autoremove?12:03
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mvoEnola_Gay: the feisty version of g-a-i should even deal with that automatically. so if you remove xchat with g-a-i it should automatically remove the two deps it installed for it12:03
surakSimple question: where are gnome's keyboard layouts stored? I am intended to fix a bug on it...12:04
ogradholbach, i found the bug with the vendor icon, you moved it from apps/ to places/ ... :)12:04
Enola_Gaymvo: So if I remove xchat with it the dependencies are automatically removed too?12:04
dholbachogra: i didn't12:04
ogradholbach, thanks for the dia ping :)12:04
mvoEnola_Gay: if you do it in g-a-i yes. with apt/synaptic it will (by default) just tell you about them and let you decide12:04
ogradholbach, well, its in the places subdir on all my systems on feisty12:04
dholbachogra: we added tangerine icons for all sizes and maybe upstream changed something in gnome-icon-theme12:04
ograwhile its in apps on edgy12:04
ograah, k12:04
dholbachogra: you got the gpm ping too?12:05
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ograanyway, moving my icons over fixes it :)12:05
ograi'm subscribed to the gpm list, got the release mail yesterday ;)12:05
surakI can fix the bug with xmodmap, however it's not clear to me how gnome sets up the keyboard. DHolbachy12:05
dholbachsurak: hm?12:06
surakops, dholbach - damn keyboard!12:06
dholbachok :)12:06
dholbachi wondered if I missed something12:06
surakit's bug #6835712:06
ubotuMalone bug 68357 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard "Spanish layout misses ~ combinations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6835712:06
Enola_Gaymvo: Sorry, that would account why apt-get autoremove shows no unused dependencies afterwards.12:07
surakit's surely posted against the wrong package.12:07
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mvoEnola_Gay: no problem12:07
Enola_GayYeah, works fine. It doesn't remove all dependencies but they are still removable with apt-get autoremove. Great.12:08
mvoEnola_Gay: g-a-i will only autoremove dependencies of the removed pkg on removal. not all no-longer-required dependencies12:09
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Enola_Gaymvo: yes, it makes :)12:09
Enola_Gaymvo: It seems to remove the direct dependencies but not the indirect ones I guess.12:10
mvoEnola_Gay: what was your testcase? install xchat and remove it again all from within g-a-i? did it leave any deps for autoremoval in that case that werent present before?12:10
Enola_Gaymvo, that works completly fine. It removes all dependencies.12:11
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Enola_GayBut I am checking it with kvpnc.12:11
mvoEnola_Gay: great :) make sure that #ubuntu-de knows about this too so that we do not have false rumors :)12:12
Enola_GayYeah, I have posted it12:12
Enola_Gayyeah, I am right12:12
Enola_GayIf you install kvpcn it has a bunch of dependencies. After removing it uninstalls kdelibs and menu but not arts and Co so I think kvpnc depends on kdelibs but kdelibs on arts so g-a-i removes only direct dependencies.12:13
Enola_GayWhich is fine imho since it could be remove with apt-get autoremove12:13
Enola_Gaythe indirect ones12:13
mvoEnola_Gay: nice catch. could you please file a bug about this? jus tso that its not forgotten?12:14
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RiddellMithrandir: did you have an opinion on k3b 1.0 UVF exception?12:14
Enola_Gaymvo: Ok, I make it. What is the name of this package?12:15
mvoEnola_Gay: please file against "gnome-app-install"12:15
MithrandirRiddell: hm, sorry, I haven't gotten to it.  I'll do so.12:15
mvothank you!12:16
pittiurgh, so many duplicates in the SoC applications12:17
evandpitti: Why is that a bad thing?  Wouldn't you want multiple applications for the same task, that way you can choose which candidate you think will do the best job?12:25
pittievand: I just replied to the ubuntu-soc list about  that12:26
pittievand: best thing might be collaboration, if the rules allow that12:26
pittiFree software is all about collaboration, after all :)12:26
evandah, indeed12:26
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carlospitti: now that the beta has been released, will you do a lang pack update *now* before the final one ?12:33
Enola_Gaymvo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/9641012:33
pitticarlos: not sure, do you think it would be a good idea?12:33
ubotuMalone bug 96410 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install removes only direct dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  12:33
pittiseb128: ^ see carlos' question12:33
carlospitti: yeah, I fixed many templates and still approving some new ones12:33
carlosso we get some more testing on it12:33
Enola_GayWhich package consists Gnome power manager?12:33
seb128pitti: what? language pack updates? sure, translators only started to work on feisty since it was not open before ...12:34
cjwatsonEnola_Gay: gnome-power-manager12:34
Enola_Gaycjwatson: thanks :)12:34
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pitticarlos: I can use the current daily ones from yesterday afternoon's rosetta tarballs; is that a good one, or shall I wait a bit more?12:34
carlospitti: also, I wrote a script to fix the new line char and 'dot representing space' that should fix those translations12:34
carlospitti: wait until tomorrow12:35
carlosI will execute my script to fix the data12:35
carlosand do a new export12:35
pitticarlos: so, wait for tomorrow afternoon's rosetta tarballs? or today's?12:35
mvoEnola_Gay: thanks12:35
carlospitti: tomorrow afternoon12:35
pitticarlos: alright12:36
carlospitti: I will ping you, just wanted to know your plans12:36
carlosso I can schedule next steps12:36
Enola_Gaymvo: You're welcome! :)12:36
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ograMithrandir, so whats the magic i need to make MN not touch my interface ? is there a gconf key i can set or something ?12:37
ograelse i'll need to drop it from edubuntu,m since it always hogs the server interface of ltsp12:38
ograi looked at the spec but there is no trace of how to disable NM management...12:38
gnomefreakpitti: are you in charge of auto retrace bot project? (charge for lack of better word)12:39
pittignomefreak: yes, I am12:39
gnomefreakpitti: it seems to be auto tagging already retraced crash reports12:40
pittignomefreak: that was me12:40
gnomefreakoh ok12:40
pittignomefreak: I re-tagged failed crash reports from the weekend after fixing the chroots12:40
Mithrandirogra: temporarily, you can add a mapping stanza.  I'm going to add something to interfaces(5) that you can use to tell NM to not touch it.12:40
gnomefreakok cause a few we ended up retracing i guess and getting decent feedback from apport. hjmf is seeing this. 12:41
ogracool, i was fearing i had to tear it out12:41
StevenKI thought NM shouldn't touch it if the interface appears in interfaces(5)...12:41
ograi can wiat until that stanza is read ...12:41
pittignomefreak: it's possible that this created some unnecessary bug spam, but checking all of the 86 failed bugs manually was too much effort12:42
ograi think interfaces altready has a hotplug flag, just add nohotplug :)12:42
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gnomefreaki understand i just didnt know if it was a bug or if it was meant to be done12:42
StevenKHrm. It appears in the PCI ID list for ata_piix.12:45
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LeeJunFanI've got what appears to be a pretty serious bug in genisoimage, I thought was growisofs at first, but genisoimage isn't selectable in the package list, and I want to make sure it get's noticed by the right maintainer. Bug #9609612:59
ubotuMalone bug 96096 in dvd+rw-tools "Unable to burn good DVD+R" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9609612:59
cjwatsonLeeJunFan: genisoimage is from the source package cdrkit12:59
Enola_Gayponingru: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/9641901:00
ubotuMalone bug 96419 in gnome-power-manager "it isn't possible to choose sleep times lower then the screen saver one" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  01:00
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LeeJunFancjwatson: I looked for that too. I'll try again.01:01
kwwiidholbach: ping?01:02
dholbachkwwii: pong01:02
LeeJunFancjwatson: nope, if I'm going the right way about this - trying to attach to an upstream product - cdrkit isn't there either.01:03
kwwiidholbach: I'm updating the gdm theme gtkrc file (as well as the list theme gtkrc) to fix a problem with the icons no showing01:03
dholbachkwwii: alrighty01:03
dholbachkwwii: let me know once you have it done01:03
kwwiidholbach: I'll let you know when it is pushed01:03
cjwatsonLeeJunFan: no01:05
cjwatsonLeeJunFan: click on "dvd+rw-tools (Ubuntu)" and change the source package from dvd+rw-tools to cdrkit01:05
LeeJunFancjwatson: thanks.01:06
cjwatsonLeeJunFan: if you wanted to use the "Also affects" thing (although it doesn't sound appropriate if you don't believe the bug is in growisofs), you'd use "Also affects: Distribution", and select Ubuntu as the distribution and cdrkit as the source package01:06
LeeJunFancjwatson: no, the proper thing at this point is to reassign it totally.01:06
poningrujustdave's first law: all bug handling software must be convoluted enough to not accept bug reports from end user01:06
cjwatsonLeeJunFan: right01:06
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Enola_GayThanks for support, cu all.01:09
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anti_popthis might the wrong channel to ask, but is it possible that nvidias 9631 driver will not work with the latest 2.6.20-13 kernel ?01:12
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asacmpt: pong01:16
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PriceChildI noticed that nvidia-glx was updated to 9755... any chance of a "new-legacy" with 9631?01:19
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asackeescook: ping01:20
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mptasac, I'm here01:21
asacabout the bug workflow ... i don't think that there is one fits all :)01:22
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pittidoes anyone know how to use grep to find NUL bytes in files? grep '\000' and variations doesn't work01:23
mptIf there isn't, that's a problem for this whole "Launchpad" idea01:23
mptasac, so we need some uniform well-understood statuses that allow collaboration between everyone, and tags for everything else, probably01:24
mpt"Needs Info" isn't "Needs Info From the Reporter" only because that was too long to fit :-)01:24
mptthough to be more precise it's "Needs Info From the Reporter or Someone Else Who Can Reproduce the Problem"01:24
asacyeah ... exactly ... it means "Needs Info" :)01:25
cjwatsonmpt: (ugh)01:25
lifelesspitti: '[\0] ' ?01:25
asaci mean as long as there is info missing ... e.g. we have no testcase ... its needs info01:25
pittilifeless: no :(01:26
asaci think it would be wrong to say this only means "by reporter"01:26
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cjwatsonmpt: my biggest source of confusion is info from people who thought they could reproduce the problem but actually can reproduce some totally different problem01:26
mptasac, sure, missing testcase is something that only skill will prevent the reporter from providing01:26
_ionYay, the new l-r-m + nvidia-glx dropped support for my nVidia card. Yeah, nvidia-glx-legacy does support my card, but the previous non-legacy driver supported running compiz/beryl with it.01:26
mptcjwatson, that problem seems orthogonal to bug statuses, isn't it?01:27
mptOh, I suppose it would be lessened if the status was "Needs Reporter Info"01:27
cjwatsonmpt: it would certainly be made worse if the status were explicitly "... or Someone Else Who Can Reproduce the Problem". :-)01:28
asacif the status was "Needs Reporter Info", then we would lack a general "Needs Info" state 01:28
mptfair enough01:28
mptasac, we have that, it's called "Unconfirmed" :-)01:28
mptok, that was too flip01:28
lifelesspitti: egrep maybe?01:28
mptasac, what other kinds of info are you thinking of?01:28
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pittilifeless: already tried that as well01:29
lifelesspitti: python01:29
pittilifeless: right, I already gave up on grep, too01:29
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asacmpt: e.g. a properly traced stacktrace in case of crashers.01:30
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mptasac, how is a stacktrace not something the reporter should provide? (keeping in mind Colin's problem that you don't want other people attaching stacktraces for similar-but-unrelated bugs)01:31
asacmpt: its usually too much skill required by reporters ... we now have coredumps attached which team members or triagers can retrace01:31
Treenaksor robots ;)01:32
asacmpt: anyway, i don't think we have a problem here as this discussion started with single/maybe special case.01:33
dokopitti: on amd64, a new memory stick apparently is detected as iPod, and rhythmbox is started.01:33
cjwatsonmpt: I think asac means retracing of apport-provided coredumps to add full symbols01:33
cjwatsonwhich is a "more information required" state in some sense01:33
mptasac, well, it's interesting, because it's one example of a kind of issue that needs to go through a process involving different people/teams01:33
mptIn this case it's reporter -> retracing team -> developers01:34
mptin others it might be reporter -> developers -> QA01:34
asacdo you have bug number again?01:34
mptor reporter -> triager -> UI designer -> developer01:34
pittidoko: oh, are there any files on it?01:35
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dokopitti: no mp3 and such stuff, even after formatting, rhytmbox is started01:36
pittidoko: if not, the vendor/product ID might be weird; ls -l /media/stick and lspci/lspci -n output appreciated in a bug report 01:36
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StevenKSurely the USB vendor/device ID is also helpful?01:36
mptasac, bug 9432201:37
ubotuMalone bug 94322 in firefox "Don't show warnings for non-dangerous HTTPS situations" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9432201:37
asacyeah right.01:38
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mptIn future (I hope) your Launchpad page will have a list of the bugs you reported that are Needs Info, so you can deal with them01:40
mptand that would break if it was being used for other things.01:40
asacwhat state is "needs decision on how to go on"?01:42
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dokolol: Bug #96002: Gnome Volume Manager don't work and the sound is very loud01:47
ubotuMalone bug 96002 in gnome-volume-manager "Gnome Volume Manager don't work and the sound is very loud" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9600201:47
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kwwii dholbach: commiting now02:08
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Lurepitti: just a small "after beta" reminder about digikamimageplugins MIR ;-)02:40
cjwatsonheno: bug 96126: bit early yet to say "no time for Feisty" for minor UI tweaks to the new partitioner02:41
ubotuMalone bug 96126 in ubiquity "used space in partition column should be visible in manual partitioner" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9612602:41
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henocjwatson: is that a minor UI tweak, ok I though it was more invasive than that02:42
henocjwatson: thanks for correcting02:42
cjwatsonI think we've got the information already02:45
Mithrandirhm, I wonder if we could have a way of taking packages out of a release, a bit like debian's testing, to avoid shipping RC-buggy packages.02:46
hungerAny chance of the error messages that show up during bootup vanishing before the final release?02:46
hungers/error/error and annoying warning/02:46
henocjwatson: I get it now, you are talking about just placing a number in a table, not the graphical representation that gparted had02:46
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AlinuxOSBenC_, hello02:48
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BenC_AlinuxOS: hello02:48
DarkSun88Hi all02:48
pittihey BenC 02:49
BenCpitti: hey02:49
DarkSun88Any main sponsor here?02:49
pittiLure: noted :)02:50
DarkSun88Could you so kind to check this bug?  and without a freeze exception from <god of release maintainer> there are no syncs in main02:50
AlinuxOSBenC_, do you remmember I've promissed you screenshot of my cat /proc/kmsg | grep ide02:50
AlinuxOSfinally I got it.02:50
DarkSun88Ops: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpaint/+bug/9594402:50
ubotuMalone bug 95944 in gpaint "Please sync gpaint 0.3.0pre5-4 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  02:50
AlinuxOSlong life to pitti ;)02:50
BenCAlinuxOS: I already fixed the problem :)02:50
AlinuxOSBenC, ah02:50
BenCAlinuxOS: the fix is in the 2.6.20-13 kernel02:50
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AlinuxOSFound kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.20-13-generic02:50
AlinuxOSFound kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.20-12-generic02:50
AlinuxOSFound kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.20-11-generic02:50
AlinuxOSI'll try it.02:51
AlinuxOSand tell you..what going here by me.02:51
pittiAlinuxOS: live long and prosper02:51
AlinuxOSpitti, ;) 02:52
cjwatsonheno: oh, right, yes02:52
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dholbachkwwii: ok looking03:07
reitblattcould I bother someone to take a peak at this spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/seamless-windows-virtualization03:07
kwwiidholbach: I also just commited a session splash change03:07
reitblattwould make a great SoC project for someone I imagine03:07
dholbachkwwii: alrighty03:07
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henoreitblatt: why does it link to a help.u.c page and not the wiki03:09
henoreitblatt: I was just looking at the wiki page btw, interesting03:09
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reitblattshould link here03:09
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reitblattidea came from the help page03:10
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reitblattso I linked it at first03:10
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reitblattheno: thanks03:15
dholbachkwwii: HumanList/icon-session.png is missing03:15
kwwiidholbach: ouch, guess I missed that...I'll put it back in ;-)03:15
dholbachkwwii: Human looks good03:16
kwwiidholbach: oops, I removed all the icons :-(03:16
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dholbachkwwii: session splash uploaded03:18
kwwiidholbach: great, thanks...I'll replace the icons in the list theme03:19
dholbachkwwii: ok03:19
AlinuxOScjwatson, hello, debian-installer has new strings, I though that there was string freeze.03:22
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birgstefu make a mistake? when u upped the follow file? http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso ... u get DAPPER instead feisty!03:27
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kwwiidholbach: committing next gdm now03:31
dholbachkwwii: alrighty03:31
kwwiidholbach: thanks again man03:31
dholbachbirgstef: ?03:31
dholbachkwwii: de rien03:31
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dholbachbirgstef: can you elaborate?03:32
birgstefare u german?03:32
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birgsteffein, ihr habt nen dicken Fehler -.- auf der http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso 03:33
birgstefda steckt dapper hinter, nicht feisty -.-03:33
dholbachbirgstef: http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ does not load for me - if it really says dapper, somebody needs to notify the admins of the german mirror03:35
birgstefwhere can i find the admins?03:35
dholbachbirgstef: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors is all I know03:36
Znarlbirgstef : I will contact the admin about this issue.03:36
dholbachZnarl: ah great03:36
dholbachbirgstef: thanks03:36
birgstefty Znarl03:36
maswanZnarl: btw, I'm downloading the iso now to chekc03:37
birgstefthe checksum is: b48f708dd3680b337fb8edb54c5cda3103:37
maswanIt's a really slow mirror though03:37
dholbachbirgstef: hum, it loaded fine now but doesn't say 'dapper' for me03:37
birgstefwell, i burn the iso on cd, open the "dists" folder, there is "dapper, stable, unstable"03:37
birgstefive installed it, and have now dapper 6.06 on my system03:38
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shawarmaseb128: Why do we run scrollkeeper-rebuilddb each month? The man page even says it's not necessary unless the db has been corrupted somehow..03:43
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seb128shawarma: no idea, that's coming from Debian03:44
shawarmaseb128: Hmm... It's just annoying to have it run every month if it's not really necessary. It's quite CPU heavy.03:45
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shawarmaseb128: => makes the cooler in my girlfriend's laptop *really* noisy => I can't get any work done. :-)03:46
seb128shawarma: nobody else complained about it yet03:47
seb128and it should not be that slow03:47
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seb128take like 3-4min03:47
shawarmaseb128: Hm... I'm almost sure it was like 10 minutes of infernal noise. :-)03:47
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shawarmaseb128: I'll file a bug.03:48
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seb128shawarma: yeah, one of those hundred of bugs we get a week and can't deal with ;)03:49
seb128shawarma: I don't think anybody is subscribed to that package and the bug is likely to stay there03:49
dholbachmake it a 'ubuntulove' task :)03:50
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seb128dholbach: it's not ubuntulove03:50
Mithrandirmvo: so, we just had a user who upgraded and where his chipset support moved from nvidia-glx to -legacy.  Is this something you think update-manager a) could handle, b) should handle?03:50
seb128dholbach: it's "need decision from somebody who knows what he's doing"03:50
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shawarmaseb128: *G* I'll assign it to myself. I'll see if I can figure out why it was put there in the first place.03:50
seb128shawarma: that will just make bug noise but feel free if you really want03:51
seb128shawarma: it would better be discussed on a mailing list03:51
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seb128dholbach: thank you ;)03:51
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shawarmaseb128: I'm just quite busy these days so it's easier to remember it that way for me.03:52
seb128shawarma: ok03:52
welshbytecould i request a rebuild of gurlchecker to fix an unmetdep? (Bug #96381 )03:52
ubotuMalone bug 96381 in gurlchecker "[UNMETDEPS]  gurlchecker has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9638103:52
Hobbseeshawarma: did you get back to dabien?03:52
seb128welshbyte: no03:52
seb128welshbyte: there is "rebuild", you need an upload03:52
shawarmaHobbsee: No, I haven't seen him online since then.03:52
Hobbseeshawarma: ahh.   wrong times then, he's been around03:52
welshbyteseb128, but it doesn't need to be changes, the shlibs:Depends should make it depend on the correct library03:53
shawarmaHobbsee: Hmm... I'll probably run into him at some point.03:54
seb128welshbyte: there is already binaries for that version, it needs a new upload to have new binaries03:54
seb128welshbyte: only updating the changelog with a "rebuild for soname change" entry is enough03:54
welshbytei see.. so, just bump the version03:54
StevenKwelshbyte: I'll do it, if you like.03:54
welshbyteStevenK, if it's no trouble :) i'd only be able to do a debdiff anyway03:55
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mvoMithrandir: it certainly could handle it, but I I'm not sure if it should do that. it should be the exception to do fixes in the release-upgrader. if it could be handled on a packaging level somehow, that would be better IMHO. but I guess this case is hard03:56
Mithrandirmvo: packages can't (currently) depend on hardware features, so that bit is hard.03:57
Mithrandirmvo: I'm a bit worried about leaving users with a black screen saying "Login:" after an upgrade.03:57
mvoMithrandir: do we have a bugnumber for this (the nvidia, nvidia-glx thing)03:57
mvoMithrandir: make that nvidia, nvidia-legacy. 03:58
Mithrandirmvo: no, it was discussed on a private channel.03:58
mvoMithrandir: ok, if the user could file a bug, that would be appreciated03:58
Mithrandirmvo: sure03:58
mvoMithrandir: I will put it into the release notes as well 03:58
asachmmm firefox build did not find latest libthai0 while it found latest libthai-dev on most architectures ... where do buildd get their packages from?03:58
StevenKThe archive?03:59
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StevenKMost helpful answer ever.03:59
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Mithrandirmvo: thanks.03:59
Mithrandirasac: if the -dev package depends on an exact version, this often happens.04:00
asacin de.archives.ubuntu.com i have Filename: pool/main/libt/libthai/libthai0_0.1.8-2_amd64.deb ... however buildd says its not there04:00
asacMithrandir: is this a bug? or just takes more time?04:01
Mithrandirasac: the usual fix is "ask Tollef or another buildd admin to give back the failed packages", so I'll do that now04:01
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asacMithrandir: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/ ... though I doubt this info helps you.04:02
asacthanks a lot04:02
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Mithrandirasac: given-back04:03
asacMithrandir: just curious, what does "given-back" mean?04:04
Mithrandirasac: it means I told the buildd to retry the build.04:05
asacah :) ... hope not many rounds of these are needed.04:05
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dholbachkwwii: uploaded04:06
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dholbachkwwii: and I changed the version number to not be ...ubuntu104:07
dholbachkwwii: apart from that it' seems all good 04:07
asacMithrandir: again it failed04:07
pochuheno: ping? #ubuntu-iso please :)04:07
asacMithrandir: maybe i just fail to see the obvious ... hmmm :/04:08
Mithrandirasac: I'll take a look04:08
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henopochu: sure04:12
Mithrandirasac: ah, I see what happened; it'll be fixed in about an hour and a half and firefox can then be given back.04:17
asacMithrandir: any info for the noisy mob?04:18
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Mithrandirasac: (the problem being that libthai0 depended on libthai-data, but libthai-data is arch: all, so it ended up in NEW with the i386 build.  This caused libthai0 to be uninstallable on all arches but i386.)04:19
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asacoh wierd ... i tried to install here on amd64 ... guess i missed the libthai-data part then04:20
asacanyway thanks04:21
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thekornpitti: I attached a patch to bug 95223, didn't know that you are assigned to that bug,04:26
ubotuMalone bug 95223 in bughelper "Apport retracing service munging chars in bug summary" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9522304:26
pittithekorn: oh, thanks04:26
pittithekorn: oh, sanitize_html() *un*quotes?:04:27
thekornpitti: it changes &lt; into < and i think thats what you are looking for ?!04:28
pittithekorn: right04:28
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thekornpitti: ok, i will merge it into main and the release branch04:29
dholbachthekorn: i'll roll it into a package later04:30
thekorndholbach: thanks a lot!04:31
bddebiandholbach: Since you acked gcc-h8300-hms, do you have a suggestion about brickos?  I can't get a clean build log of it without the newer gcc-h8300-hms?04:31
dholbachbddebian: sorry, not at all04:32
bddebianBah :-)04:32
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slomocan someone please give-back seahorse on ppc?04:41
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asacMithrandir: maybe ffox can get a new chance by now?05:46
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iwjseb128: (if you see this) Care to comment on bug 94166 ?05:50
ubotuMalone bug 94166 in firefox "Get Help Online appears to do nothing if firefox minimised" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9416605:50
seb128iwj: the "drop the menu item"?05:50
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keescookasac: pong, still no archive admins around.  :(06:05
pittihi keescook 06:05
keescookhiya pitti06:06
seb128hey keescook06:08
keescookhiya seb128!06:08
seb128keescook: archive admin or buildd admin?06:08
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keescookseb128: I'm unclear on the distinction, but it sounds like cjwatson's got it covered.06:09
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ogradholbach, your command listed on bug 96340 disagrees with the bug content :)06:17
ubotuMalone bug 96340 in squeak-vm "[UNMETDEPS]  squeak-vm has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9634006:17
Mithrandirasac: yeah; given-back.06:17
dholbachogra: on amd64?06:18
seb128iwj: added a comment, we will likely mask that menu item for feisty anyway06:19
ogradholbach, there is no amd64 version odf squeak afaik06:19
ogramight be that LaserJock didnt comment oiut that arch06:19
dholbachogra: no, it's Arch: any06:19
ograyeah, but since the content of the package are binary blobs ...06:20
dholbachit ftbfs on all other archs: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squeak-vm/3.7.7-5ubuntu606:20
iwjseb128: Right, thanks.06:20
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dholbachogra: ^06:21
ogradholbach, edgy and dapper ?06:21
AnimortisHi, I had a question - Are there plans to patch the security holes in OpenOffice.org as posted last week?06:22
ograeither i'm totally blind or in the left protlet is no feisty at all06:22
keescookAnimortis: yup, they're in the publication process now.  The libwpd one has already been fixed.06:22
ograi see it ftbfs in edgy and dapper06:23
dholbachogra: does it build for you on amd64 today?06:23
AnimortisGood, I'm glad. I know how Ubuntu feels about patching certain packages, but I couldn't see why not since Ubuntu keeps so in line with the Debian repos and those did it...06:23
ogradholbach, no idea, as i said, there is no amd64 executable for the vm 06:24
dholbachogra: then set Architecture to i38606:24
ograand i have it not in the broken deps list for i38606:24
ograi'd klike to hear from LaserJock about it, he packaged it like that iirv06:24
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ograprobably an amd64 port was announced or something 06:24
dholbachi followed up in the bug report06:25
ograi just dont see it in the list and the bug doesnt talk about any sepcific arch06:25
ogra*septic arch ? 06:25
dholbachogra: i added that information now06:26
dholbachogra: the command was run on an amd6406:26
ograyeah, i got that now :) 06:26
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dholbachyou were complaining some seconds ago that the bug doesn't talk about any specific arch :)06:27
ograyeah, and you fixed it ... as well as i undersrtood it from our conversation ;)06:27
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seb128Mithrandir: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxklavier/+bug/9656107:01
ubotuMalone bug 96561 in libxklavier "UVF exception 3.1 to 3.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  07:01
Mithrandirseb128: approved07:03
seb128Mithrandir: thank you07:03
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iwjDammit, I want to lose this race!07:08
Mithrandirswitch camels with the other guy?07:09
iwjGood idea.  Now all I need is that camel.07:09
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jdongBenC: what's the justification for nvidia-9755??07:11
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jdongnow all the GeForce4 users are left without 9xxx-series nvidia.07:12
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mjg59Go nvidia.07:12
jdongI just don't think it's the right decision for a major class of devices to lose support, past beta.07:14
PriceChildWhere was the decision made?07:15
mjg59jdong: The alternative is to ship drivers without any security support07:15
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unimatrix9hello there....07:16
unimatrix9any one home?07:16
jdongmjg59: can we get a nvidia-new-legacy package then for tne intermediate cards?07:16
mjg59jdong: That depends on whether nvidia are planning on doing security support on them or not07:16
jdongmjg59: they are showing as legacy drivers, just like the 7184's07:16
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jdongso I'm assuming they'll do the same with them.07:16
mjg59Also, the kernel team have expressed a lack of interest in supporting three sets of nvidia drivers07:17
jdongthat's really unfortunate.07:17
mjg59Yes, being in a position where a driver vendor can screw you repeatedly /is/ unfortunate.07:17
PriceChildThe driver vendor isn't screwing us...?07:18
jdongbut we are in a position where we can ship some level of driver support.07:18
mjg59By increasing the support load on an already overworked team07:18
jdongit's the kernel developers who don't want the extra work who are screwing us.07:18
jdongthen don't upgrade nvidia-glx to 9755...07:19
mjg59Not possible.07:19
mjg59No guarantee of provision of security support for the hardware supported in them.07:19
jdongthen drop 7184 legacy and replace it with 965507:20
mjg59Screws anyone who has a card that's supported by 7184 but not the last release of the previous legacy ones07:20
unimatrix9any developers of feisty fawn beta 1 around?07:20
mjg59It's not like your card stops working. You just get to drop back to 7184 yourself.07:20
jdongyes but you lose 3D effects support.07:21
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jdongon 20+ cards that are more than capable of 3D effects.07:21
PriceChildmjg59, http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html07:21
mjg59PriceChild: ?07:22
jdong"Below are the legacy GPUs that are no longer supported in the unified driver. These GPUs will continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases."07:22
PriceChildmjg59, that says that the 9631 supported cards will "continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases."07:22
jdongit sounds like nvidia plans to continue legacy release cycles for them.07:22
Amaranthdoes it say 9631?07:22
PriceChildAmaranth, read it ;)07:22
jdongAmaranth: read it.07:22
mjg59PriceChild: Yes. Please read the conversation.07:22
PriceChildAmaranth, its above the 71** and 96** section07:22
cjwatsonunimatrix9: this is the developer channel, yes07:22
jdongAmaranth: there's 96xx and 71xx sections in legacy releases.07:22
PriceChildmjg59, what have I not read?07:22
mjg5918:17 < mjg59> Also, the kernel team have expressed a lack of interest in  supporting three sets of nvidia drivers07:23
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PriceChildmjg59, I've a lack of interest in arguing this with you... but i'm doing it as its the right thing to do in my opinion.07:23
unimatrix9i would like to say , you all have done an great job, i took an sneak preview of feisty fawn beta 1 , and its very very polished, i would just like to say it to you, really nice, keep up the good work!07:23
Amaranthand all those card work with the 71xx driver, don't they?07:23
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jdongAmaranth: yes, but without composite or desktop effect support.07:24
unimatrix9its the little things that matter, and i can see you care!07:24
PriceChildAmaranth, I don't know... juging by the 8800 not working with lower than 9755 drivers, I'd assume there are cards that don't07:24
mjg59PriceChild: The right thing to do is to ensure that the kernel team are able to support packages we ship in a timely manner07:24
cjwatsonunimatrix9: thanks for the comments; they are appreciated :-)07:25
AmaranthPriceChild: i'm pretty sure the geforce 4 cards were done by the time they moved to 8xxx07:25
unimatrix9most people come here to report bugs, i only come to say that its awsome!07:25
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PriceChildAmaranth, yeah I'm just looking at the notes to see :) I'm probably wrong :P07:25
jdongit seems like time to start 3rd party repos again.07:26
Amaranthjdong: It's your right to do so. Just remember that it's up to you to support it, we won't help users that have problems with it.07:29
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jdongAmaranth: yes, I'm fully aware of that.07:29
jdongit would be better if something a bit less ad-hoc can be arranged.07:30
Amaranthbtw, card support with 96xx is funner than you think07:30
jdongbut given the globular nature of l-r-m it's gonna be nasty.07:30
Amaranthiirc about half the cards they dropped support for in 97xx were actually subtly broken in 9631 and 9629 so you'd actually have to provide the 9626 beta driver07:31
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mjg59Remember, kids, It's so hard to write a graphics driver that open-sourcing it would not help.07:33
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PriceChildadds support for the 780007:34
mjg59PriceChild: 7800 is still supported in the latest 9000 series07:34
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Amaranthmjg59: Yep, that's why those nouveau guys are going nowhere. :)07:35
mjg59So what version it was introduced in is entirely unimportant07:35
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lemsx1cjwatson: ping07:43
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cjwatsonlemsx1: yes?07:43
lemsx1cjwatson: remember that ssh problem?07:43
lemsx1cjwatson: I added GSSAPIAuthentication no to my ~/.ssh/config file for all hosts and now it works as it should07:44
cjwatsonright, it would07:44
lemsx1cjwatson: that at least trims down the possibilities to KRB5 for real07:44
cjwatsonnot really07:44
cjwatsonI think it's avahi/mdns07:44
lemsx1cjwatson: you think? so if i turn off avahi it should not give me that problem?07:45
cjwatsonI don't want to suggest workarounds07:45
lemsx1cjwatson: i know. i just want to know exactly what the problem is before i go into the C code07:45
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cjwatsonbut my own researches suggest that, at least for some people, DNS queries are only done if GSSAPIAuthentication is turned on (the details are boring)07:46
cjwatsonand reverse DNS lookups through avahi take much longer to time out than normal reverse DNS lookups07:47
cjwatsonwhy, I have no idea07:47
lemsx1cjwatson: umm... but if you use nscd (like i do) then the second time the IP is resolved should be lighting fast07:47
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cjwatsoncompare e.g. 'time host' and 'time avahi-resolve-address' if you don't believe me07:47
cjwatsonthat's a host in the Canonical datacentre that currently has no reverse DNS (though we're trying to get that fixed)07:48
bmhmhi, i'd like to report some occurances I found out with grub/ubuntu07:48
lemsx1cjwatson: it does take 5 times longer to timeout07:49
dholbachbmhm: try http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+filebug07:49
bmhmwhen I put "elevator=cfq" to my boot menu, I have to put "irqpoll" too, for my WLan-Card to be rconized07:49
bmhmdholbach, just wanted to tell you before, just in case07:49
dholbachbmhm: ok07:50
bmhmbtw i don#t want to register ;D07:50
dholbachsee you guys tomorrow07:50
cjwatsonbmhm: I'm sorry, but we don't accept unregistered bug reports because that means we have no way to get in touch with users later if there's a query07:51
bmhmcjwatson, i just found out i am already registered07:51
cjwatsonin any case, that isn't a grub bug, but a kernel bug (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+filebug if this is feisty)07:51
bmhmi have no idea wether this is a kernel or a grub bug07:51
bmhmi post it as a grub bug...07:52
cjwatsonit's not a grub bug.07:52
cjwatsonplease do not file it as one07:52
bmhmok, edgy 64 then07:52
cjwatsonif it's edgy, then https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+filebug07:52
bmhmok on it07:52
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bmhmcjwatson, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/9657507:59
ubotuMalone bug 96575 in linux-source-2.6.17 "loading with elevator=cfq forces using of irqpoll" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  07:59
bmhmI hope I did it right... 08:00
bmhmah i forgot dmesg08:00
kylemthe default ioschedular on amd64 generic is already cfq.08:01
bmhmah really?08:01
bmhmwell, german wiki didnt tell this08:01
bmhmit just said "add elevator=cfq"08:01
bmhm... "to tune your system"08:02
shawarmabmhm: It's been default since Breezy, I think.08:03
bmhmok I just told them to correct that08:03
bmhmanyway, got sth else to show you08:03
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bmhmsee those stancer with a blank line before and after?08:03
bmhmit's being shown on bootup08:04
mjg59bmhm: Harmless08:04
bmhmll 27-3008:04
bmhmanyway... any idea what it means?08:04
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mjg59It means that the resources requested by those bits of hardware were unavailable08:05
lemsx1cjwatson: having avahi running or not (and removed from /etc/nsswitch.conf) has no effect on the ssh bug08:05
mjg59Which usually means that the BIOS never bothered programming them correctly08:05
bmhmah I see08:05
cjwatsonlemsx1: hmm, ok, odd08:05
bmhmhow can I find out which device is meant by this msg?08:05
mjg59lspci. But it's harmless.08:06
bmhmit's my PCI bridge or ethernet-controller08:08
bmhmwell since it works08:08
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bmhmokay thanks a lot guys08:09
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bmhmshawarma, is cfq default for just 64 bit or 32 bit, too?08:14
shawarmabmhm: both08:15
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bmhmwell... then I will fix the german wiki08:15
bmhmit says Anticipatory I/O scheduler is standard08:16
bmhmI will remove that part then08:16
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yacoobHi. Will feisty have composite manager by default?08:23
mrsnoavailable but not enabled by default yacoob 08:24
mrsnocouple of clicks to enable08:24
Burgworkkeescook: you around?08:34
yacoobmrsno, mhm. I gave it a try, but apparently my radeon 9600 plays dirty tricks on me.08:35
yacoob(xgl worked but e-ve-ry-thing-went-sooo-sloooow... and that was BEFORE I launched any compiz/beryl :)08:35
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keescookBurgwork: yup, what's up?08:37
Burgworkkeescook: I noticed some people beating up the asterisk devs for lack of disclosure on security bugs. Is this still an issue?08:38
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keescookBurgwork: well, we'll know with their next release.  :)  They helped confirm the most recent patch, though.08:44
Burgworkkeescook: ok, is good. so if I file an MIR for asterisk, would you approve it?08:45
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keescookBurgwork: I've never done an MIR, but I'd like to see how things unfold with them08:48
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Adri2000Mithrandir: yes: https://launchpad.net/bugs/8766209:17
ubotuMalone bug 87662 in Ubuntu "Please sync libclass-trait-perl from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  09:17
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UBfusiongood evening from Greece10:41
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UBfusionis there a way to include the 2.6.20-13.21 kernel to be released tomorrow iinto the existing 0326 amd64 desktop iso?10:43
MithrandirUBfusion: easiest would be to just wait until tomorrow morning.10:44
UBfusionforgot to mention the CD does not boot10:44
UBfusionthanks Mithrandir 10:44
Mithrandirwe roll daily CDs and since -13 is current now, it'll be on tomorrow's CDs.10:44
UBfusioni am doomed for so many weeks by the critical bugs and can't wait :-)10:44
UBfusionthat's what I was expecting10:45
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UBfusion#84964 is a pest... If Ben really nailed it, I'll send him a case of greek Ouzo :-)10:46
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maxamillionhow close is feisty to the package freeze?10:51
Mithrandirwhich package freeze?10:51
ajmitchhi Mithrandir 10:52
maxamillionMithrandir: _the_ official feisty release repository freeze10:52
Mithrandirhiya Andrew10:53
Mithrandirmaxamillion: around April 5th.10:53
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maxamillionMithrandir: ok, thanks10:55
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maxamillionare there any really pressing bugs in the current state of feisty or would it be safe to install the current beta on the new lot of laptops i just got here at work and do the updates when it goes stable (or should i install edgy and re-do them in a month?)10:59
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UBfusionmaxamillion, have a look here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/7.04-beta11:01
maxamillionUBfusion: thanks11:01
UBfusionmost critical problems will hopefully be fixed tomorrow11:01
UBfusionsome minor issues are in the feisty discussion http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=17911:02
UBfusionmost have to do with wireless connectivity11:02
UBfusionand some with sound11:02
maxamillionhmmm... well wireless is needed, i might just stick with edgy for the next month to be safe11:02
UBfusionsearch the feisty forum for your wireless model and see11:03
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anti_popis it just me, or is it not possible to install nvidias legacy driver from the repos for a gf4 (because 9755 has no support for it)11:05
UBfusioni think i read something similar in the feisty discussions about an fx440.. so you may not be alone11:06
UBfusionfrom what i read, feisty is in turning point these 2 weeks, where fixing one thing causes regressions to others11:07
UBfusionpeace and patience are needed in this phase.. and a lot of prayers ;-)11:07
anti_popthe hole circle was very quiet for me but the last two days with some kde upgrades and nvidia-glx some things got messed up11:08
UBfusionthe metaphysics of it is really challenging.. on the one hand it's "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"11:09
UBfusionon the other you want to see how feisty+1 will look like11:10
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anti_popi will not take part in feisty+1 as long as it is not released. but i learned so much by using feisty as a linux beginner (after 2 month edgy)11:11
UBfusionsame for me... it's hard to find the balance... and newbies like me would really like to see more guides for regressing to previous states11:12
UBfusionlike "how to regress to your previous network/gfx/sound drivers"11:12
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anti_popbackports may provide enough fun i guess11:12
Hobbseeoh dear.  if you're a newbie, and dont know how to file bugs and use apt, you should *not* be using the development release11:13
mooeyi love the idea that updates will break things :D11:13
mooeygives me something to do11:13
Hobbseemooey: except when your machine doesnt boot, etc, and you need to chroot11:13
mooeyHobbsee: nah thats great fun11:13
mooeyi use this machine every day for work, too :-)11:14
mooeyits never broken, really, not seriously11:14
UBfusionHobbsee, it's the other way round,  i use the betas in order to learn to file bugs11:14
anti_popHobbsee, i know..but by jumping into the cold water i learned how to use apt, make x start again, configure grub, sources, and fstab11:14
Hobbseetrue.  X transition was mostly painless this time11:14
mooeybut i pick my updates selectivly, and always a while after they come out11:14
Hobbseeanti_pop: true.  most people wont do that though11:15
HobbseeUBfusion: fair enough11:15
Hobbseea lot of people just upgrade everything at once, then go OH NO, THERE ARE PACKAGES HELD BACK!!! FEISTY IS SO BROKEN!!!11:15
mooeyand those same people don't file bug reports :-)11:16
mooeymost helpful11:16
Hobbseeindeed.  not11:16
Hobbseeor they report on the forums.  also not helpful11:16
UBfusionthey won't file bugs because they don't care much.. many of them are diggers that want to spend only 30 minutes with it11:16
ChipzzHobbsee: not even debian unstable is really broken a lot11:17
Chipzzand they only have one archive run per day11:17
HobbseeChipzz: you'd be looking at experimental11:17
Chipzzinstead of one every hour11:17
ChipzzHobbsee: been there, done that, got the tshirt11:17
anti_popwell not beeing able to install nvidia-glx-legacy is the first bug for me that i didnt find on launchpad11:17
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mooeygood night11:18
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UBfusionfor me the egoist part is to make feisty work for myself.. the altrouistic part is to help fight bug#111:18
anti_popmaybe its cause my .de servers are somewhat behind the original servers11:19
anti_popmy girlfriend lives with 2 other girls, at the moment they all got edgy running on their laptops, guess who showed em linux :)11:19
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cjwatsonChipzz: (Debian has been on two archive cycles per day for some time now)11:20
UBfusionanti_pop, tha't the proper way to do a foursome ;-)11:21
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Chipzzcjwatson: oh, it is? didn't know that11:21
Chipzzcjwatson: but point still stands11:21
Chipzzcjwatson: bugs get fixed faster in ubuntu partly because of the bigger amount of archive cycles11:22
cjwatsonsure (though they also get introduced faster ;-)), was just a point of information11:22
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Riddellinfinity: could you give back kmplayer please11:36
Riddellinfinity: and okular11:37
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Crescendo_Yarrrrrrrrr.  Ubuntu needs a built-in suggestion/misc bug reporting feature built in.11:44
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Crescendo_I don't want to have to log onto a website just to file a bug or report an annoying behavior. :(11:44
adamant1988Crescendo_: there is one.11:45
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Crescendo_It's dysfunctional, though.  It only seems to be called when an application crashes.11:46
adamant1988Crescendo_: I can open it right now, without an app crashing11:47
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Crescendo_The next time I'm trying to open an SFTP connection and the default keyring password box that I'm typing in is intruded by the "opening server" window, upon which the only option is "cancel" - I should be able to go System >> Help >> File a bug11:48
mooeyCrescendo_: system -> report a problem11:48
adamant1988Crescendo_: Why don't you take 30 seconds to stop rambling and hit "System" and punch the "report a problem" button.  I think that's RIGHT up your alley.11:48
Crescendo_I don't see a report a problem button.11:48
Crescendo_Maybe that's only provided with fresh installs?11:48
mooeyadamant1988: cool it11:49
adamant1988It was in mine, herd 511:49
mooeyCrescendo_: what version of ubuntu do you use?11:49
Crescendo_Oh, of course - I'm not using Herd 5, I'm on 6.10.11:49
Crescendo_So, problem is solved in the next release, awesome. :)11:49
Crescendo_Rawk, thanks for listening to my frustrated rant.  :P11:50
mooeyCrescendo_: i'm sure such a menu item existed in edgy11:50
mooeyCrescendo_: not with the same name, but in a simmilar vein11:50
Crescendo_mooey, I've had problems with new features not showing up after upgrades, like the power button top right after... one of the releases, 6.06 or something.11:51
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Crescendo_It seems to come default on certain new installs, but not upgrades.11:51
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mooeyCrescendo_: the upgrade probably decides you have your panels configured how you like them and leaves them alone :-)11:51
Crescendo_mooey, probably, and it's not that much trouble to add it anyways.  Just a minor note I encounter on my daily install routines.11:52
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Crescendo_I'm looking forward to seeing the Windows migration in action, by the way.11:53
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mooeyCrescendo_: i've just checked a not-upgraded edgy install, theres no report a bug button. in feisty it exists on the system menu and in the help menu of many apps :-)11:54
Crescendo_A lot of my clients use Windows, and are concerned about the migration issues.11:56
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mooeyhopefully the new stuff in feisty will push them to migrate :-)11:58
Crescendo_Me too.  Man, all of my requests for copious amounts of 6.06 CDs have been denied. ;_;11:59
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