=== mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] mh === shenki__ [n=shenki@ppp21-123.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic_ [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-120-244-121.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@horatio-073.cs.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic_ [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Johnny5_ [n=johncudd@pool-68-237-132-222.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic_ [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] nickserv register johnny5 === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jmg [n=cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] hello all [01:18] hey [01:18] im trying to patch a package using quilt (libsdl1.2) [01:18] it's not as straight forward as dpatch [01:19] is there similar functionality to dpatch-edit-patch possible with quilt? [01:20] I have a suggestion for the "Ubuntu restricted extas" package. [01:21] The package seems to be only missing one thing. The libdvdcss2 file [01:22] that cannot be included [01:24] I did manually install it, but it seems when you play a dvd through totem, you can not just select "play dvd" in the totem menu [01:25] It only play's when you put the dvd and the autoplay recognizes the dvd [01:25] Or if you open a location "dvd://" [01:26] so perhaps there is a slight issue with totem. [01:26] There is no point for totem to have a button to play a DVD if it doesn't work even if you have the libdvdcss2 file installed. [01:28] Where can I go to make a suggestion to the developers of totem? Is there an open forum, or website? I realize totem is developed through gnome, or as part of gnome. [01:28] Johnny5_: bugzilla.gnome.org [01:28] thanks. [01:30] feisty is working great other than that. I have had no problems. The 3d effects work pretty well though they it is just eyecandy === wereHamster is now known as wereHamster|zZz [01:35] Search feature on Firefox 2.0 and higher, has bad search feature. There are no options. It's just a text box. [01:36] Johnny5_: better to file bugs when you find them :-) [01:36] Johnny5_: https://launchpad.net [01:37] are most programs on there?? [01:38] that's the bug tracking system ubuntu uses [01:40] Thanks again. Unfortunately at the moment I don't know enough about programming to help out directly, but I certainly can make some good suggestions to improve ubuntu software. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] any idea why opensync-plugin-google-calendar seems to be in main while all the opensync stuff is in unvierse? === lotusleaf [n=drywind@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-devel ["trombone"] [01:48] no, and I'd say it shouldn't be [01:49] something weird going on there [01:49] well, besides the fact that it doesn't even work... [01:49] Mithrandir: in case you're awake still, opensync-plugin-google-calendar is another that appears to have binaries in main, with source in universe [01:49] bug #84874 [01:50] Malone bug 84874 in libopensync-plugin-google-calendar "missing helper" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84874 === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-3da9873941f05848] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-156-111-198.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AD694.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phaidros [n=phaidros@daddl.fdmbx.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.154.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] can someone give me a hint as to where to look for the fix that fixed https://launchpad.net/bugs/71040 please? [02:23] Malone bug 71040 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Kernel 2.6.20 reboots instead of shutting down" [Medium,Fix released] === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] asac, once you're awake, I'm interested in hearing more about this "tailored bug workflow" the mozilla team has [02:35] If different teams have different meanings for the same bug statuses, that makes collaboration across projects more difficult [02:35] so it'll be good to come up with a set of statuses and meanings that suit the most projects [02:37] BenC, ping [02:38] hugo: pong [02:38] BenC, i wrote a proposal to the device-manager [02:38] hugo: what sort of proposal? [02:39] BenC, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeviceManagerSpec [02:39] BenC, but i dont know if it is good explained === Johnny5_ [n=johncudd@pool-68-237-132-222.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Johnny5_ [n=johncudd@pool-68-237-132-222.man.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [02:40] BenC, have anyone proposed this idea too? [02:40] hugo: I don't see the idea, where in there is it? [02:40] BenC, i did not submitted yet [02:41] hugo: then how can I know what it is? [02:41] BenC, can i send a mail to you ? [02:41] hugo: yes, please [02:42] BenC, i put here; http://atum.caco.ic.unicamp.br/~hugo/home/device-manager [02:43] BenC, you see my note earlier about lirc? [02:44] superm1: Yes, I'll have to take a look tomorrow morning [02:44] BenC, very good [02:44] BenC, i ran into a minor issue with one module, but the rest tested fine (linsmod'ing them) [02:44] hugo: What in your proposal is any different than what is already in the spec? [02:45] hugo: The spec is not for details like you've outlined [02:45] BenC, i am thinking in change the UI to group devices [02:45] hugo: Were you one of the ones that emailed me about SoC for this project? [02:45] BenC, no [02:46] BenC, i dont know your mail [02:46] hugo: I have two applicants for this project to do it for Google's Summer of Code, so I need to see about what's going on [02:47] hugo: Email me at bcollins@ubuntu.com (the info you just posted) and I'll have to talk to someone about how to handle this...I'd really hate to see 3 people working on the same thing and going off in different directions, or worse just doing the same thing separately [02:47] BenC, my initial idea was to implement the proposal [02:48] hugo: I've already partially implemented it, but the rest needs udev changes in order to work [02:48] BenC, perhaps you will need choose between the 3 [02:48] hugo: I have a project started on launchpad.net [02:50] BenC, ok, my idea would implement more since what is done [02:50] BenC, i am really interested in this idea, i passed any time studying this proposal [02:51] hugo: I realy appreciate your interest in it. I'm just trying to make sure this is done fairly === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] hugo: There's nothing I can do to stop anyone working on it, but if we are going to include it, then I need to make sure it's done properly and suitable for our needs [02:52] BenC, ok [02:53] BenC, can you help me on a idea needed by Ubuntu available to be proposed? === jack_wyt [n=jack@218.18.190.89] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] mpt: maybe "Needs Info" is actually "Debugging" [03:00] mpt: and maybe there is a separate "Needs User followup to progress" (which should time out after 30days and close the bug) [03:00] did launchpad just go down for ayone else? [03:01] yup. [03:03] BenC, the implementation you made is in gtk? === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@218.18.191.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@horatio-073.cs.utexas.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:07] hugo: It's based on hal-device-manager [03:08] BenC, i am asking because theres a qt version [03:09] hugo: hal-device-manager is PyGlade (gtk) [03:09] BenC, i could implement based on kde-hal-device-manager too [03:10] hugo: One of the people asking to do it for SoC wants to make the core UI-independent so it can be used for kde/gnome [03:10] avoids too much duplication [03:12] appears the wiki is out.. === j_ack [n=rudi@p508da2e4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] and launchpad [03:24] sladen, what would be the difference between "Debugging" and "Unconfirmed"? 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[08:28] morning pitti === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.154.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] ajmitch: indeed, I'll demote it. === ivoks [n=ivoks@16-22.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] Adri2000: do you have a NEW package exception for libclass-trait-perl? [09:03] pitti: where is apport's compiz? there is no ~/.apport dir [09:03] pochu: hmmm? [09:05] pitti: isn't there an apport dir for the preferences? (such as: don't ask again) === Zdra [n=zdra@87.175-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@30.131-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] pochu: there is a file for that: ~/.apport-ignore.xml [09:08] pitti: It's been suggested that I ask you about the apport-retrace for bug #95814 - it was marked with need-amd64-retrace about 20 hours ago, and doesn't seem to have got a retrace. [09:08] Malone bug 95814 in banshee "[apport] banshee.exe crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 67344)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95814 [09:08] Malone bug 67344 in banshee "Crash while importing / trying to play at the same time" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67344 [09:08] pitti: thanks [09:08] RAOF: let me have a llook [09:08] oh [09:08] RAOF: it's a duplicate [09:09] RAOF: the retracer doesn't consider those [09:09] Ah, ok. [09:09] I'll have to unduplicate it and then re-add the tag, then? [09:10] RAOF: is it actually necessary? the original bug isn't enough? [09:11] None of the original bug have stacktraces. [09:11] RAOF: then duplicate it the other way around rather? [09:11] Also, I'm no longer sure that the bugs are actually duplicates. [09:12] pitti: Thanks./ === Sulo_Seppa [n=nic@c-71-59-133-98.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sulo_Seppa [n=nic@c-71-59-133-98.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [09:14] Mithrandir: if you are not busy could you please give your opinion to bugs #96072 and #96076 ? [09:14] Malone bug 96072 in initramfs-tools "initramfs doesn't support setting NETBOOT variable for casper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96072 [09:14] Malone bug 96076 in casper "network interface must be enabled before calling nfsmount" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96076 [09:16] fabbione: I can do in a bit. [09:16] Mithrandir: sure thanks === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] Mithrandir: also.. as soon as i can get back my workstation i am going to bug you again about redhat-cluster-suite. We have a bunch of code clean up and bug fixes to pull it on top of that one liner we already agreed on [09:18] sure [09:19] Mez: #69479, why have you subscribed the release team? [09:19] Bug #69479 [09:19] Malone bug 69479 in katapult "SRU: katapult" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69479 === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-20-175.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7553E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] ajmitch: do you know how f-spot 0.3.6 is coming along? [09:36] hellas === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] Mithrandir: not released yet, and the main fix that was needed for it is in the 0.3.5 we have === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] ajmitch: ok. === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.154.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54a67c83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === styx__ [n=styx@p57A4BB64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.154.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] ogra: new dia (looks like final) === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] Mithrandir: hi... can you take another short look at bug #93540? 1.2.9 was released recently with a bugfix, two new preferences options that people wanted very strongly and a performance fix... if that's fine with you i'll skip 1.2.8 completely ;) [09:53] Malone bug 93540 in liferea "UVF exception: liferea 1.2.9" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93540 [09:55] slomo: looks good; approved. [09:55] Mithrandir: thanks === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daseeb [n=daseeb@e176023165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] hello... mhm... I developed an application that needs to link with option "-lgcc_s" but in /lib there is only a /lib/libgcc_s.so.1. why doesn't the symlink to libgcc_s.so exist? how should I properly set this up to share my sourcecode and others can compile it easily? [10:15] daseeb: Are you sure you need that? IIRC gcc_s is always linked in by gcc. === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] hunger: I think so... it's a little bit weird. I use fmod. this is an audio library. When I link to libfmod.so I get an error /usr/bin/../lib/libfmod.so: undefined reference to `__divdi3' [10:17] I use freepascal as compiler [10:18] some people from fmod team suggested me to link to libgcc_s.so to solve the linking problem [10:20] sounds like libfmod isn't properly linked. [10:20] good morning heno :) [10:20] morning pochu :) === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] mithrandir: mhm... ok... what exactly does this mean... what should be done to link fmod properly? how can I find out if fmod isn't linke dproperly? [10:23] daseeb: is libfmod linked against libgcc_s? [10:23] daseeb@daseeb-desktop:/usr/lib$ ldd libfmod.so === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) [10:23] libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7e01000) [10:23] libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb7dfd000) [10:23] libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm.so.6 (0xb7dd7000) [10:23] libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7dc3000) [10:23] /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x80000000) [10:23] does this help? [10:24] yes, it's not linked against it. [10:24] should it be linked against it? [10:24] I don't know why; you might actually want to talk with doko, who's our toolchain guy and might know why gcc didn't link in libgcc_s correctly there. [10:26] Mithrandir: there is a new libcairo bug fix version (1.4.0 to 1.4.2), is that ok to update? === zerbero_626 [n=jga@p213.54.15.239.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] seb128: do you have the changelog? === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] daseeb: you should show us the command line you use for linking [10:27] Mithrandir: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2007-March/msg00065.html [10:27] doko: please read the last 30-ish lines and please correct me if I said something wrong there. [10:27] doko: hi, did you read my python setlocale question on friday? === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] seb128: how does the malloc-vs-stack usage affect thread-safeness, or isn't cairo threadsafe to begin with? [10:30] seb128: sorry. maybe not [10:31] mithrandir: "/usr/bin/ld -b elf32-i386 -m elf_i386 -dynamic-linker=/lib/ld-linux.so.2 -L. -o ../cactus_jukebox ../link.res" [10:32] Mithrandir: cairo is not really threadsafe to begin with [10:32] Any chance of seeing #78021? It contains a reference to another bug that seems to have the fix attached. [10:32] daseeb: you should probably use gcc to link with too. [10:32] seb128: ok, approved. [10:32] Mithrandir: thank you [10:33] mithrandir: this means? how can I do that? [10:33] doko: [10:33] $ LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 python -c "import locale; locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '')" [10:33] Traceback (most recent call last): [10:33] File "", line 1, in [10:33] File "/usr/lib/python2.5/locale.py", line 476, in setlocale [10:33] return _setlocale(category, locale) [10:33] locale.Error: unsupported locale setting [10:33] doko: ^ do you consider that a python bug? [10:34] I am seeing a message from python about there being no ScanPCI module during bootup. Is that a known problem? [10:35] mithrandir: adding option "-lgcc"? [10:35] seb128: hmm, I remember seeing that, will have a look today or tomorrow [10:35] daseeb: as I said, talk to doko. [10:35] daseeb: you should always link using the gcc driver [10:35] doko: ok, thank you, there is bugs on random python apps due to that [10:39] doko: so what exactly is the gcc driver? I'm not so familiar with gcc, because I mostly use delphi/freepascal... === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] daseeb: the binary `gcc' [10:47] doko: can you give some more details? I should link with invoking gcc instead of ld? but I use freepascal for compilation. this produces some .a and .o files which get linked afterwards by the above commandline === jinty [n=jinty@247.Red-83-49-51.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] daseeb: so the pasted command line isn't complete, is it? === mvo_ [n=egon@p54a67c83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] doko: I do "/usr/bin/ppc386 -S2i -CX -OG1p2 -gl -Xs -vewnhi -Fi../../units/lnet-0.4.0/lib/sys/ -Fufmodintf/ " -Fu../../units/lnet-0.4.0/lib/ -Fu../../units/synapse/source/lib/ -Fu../../lazarus-svn/components/jpeg/lib/i386-linux/ -Fu../../lazarus-svn/lcl/units/i386-linux/ -Fu../../lazarus-svn/lcl/units/i386-linux/gtk2/ -Fu../../lazarus-svn/packager/units/i386-linux/ -Fu. -FU. -o../cactus_jukebox -sh -dLCL -dLCLgtk2 mp3proj.lpr". this [10:52] does the compilation [10:52] doko: and afterwards "/usr/bin/ld -b elf32-i386 -m elf_i386 -dynamic-linker=/lib/ld-linux.so.2 -L. -o ../cactus_jukebox ../link.res" does the linking [10:53] doko: but without passing the option "-lgcc" to the linker it fails with "/usr/bin/../lib/libfmod.so: undefined reference to `__divdi3'" [10:54] pitti: can you promote gnome-user-docs to main and demote gnome2-user-docs? (going to get gnome2-user-docs purged from the archive) [10:54] doko: as far as I see, -lgcc should link with /lib/libgcc.so [10:54] dholbach: what's the principal difference? === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] daseeb: yes and no; please locate the libgcc.so (locate libgcc.so) and use that one. [10:55] pitti: gnome-user-docs is updated in debian (different maintainer), gnome2-user-docs isn't - same upstream source [10:55] daseeb: how did you install this free-pascal? [10:55] dholbach: ubuntu-docs Depends: gnome2-user-guide [10:55] doko: from .deb created by the freepascal team [10:56] pitti: i'll change that too [10:56] dholbach: no other rdepends [10:56] dholbach: ok, if you fix that, I'll remove gnome2-user-docs right away and promote g-u-d, ok? [10:57] pitti: no bug to file, no mir? great :-) [10:57] let's save ourselves the bureaucracy [10:57] yoohoo :-) === dholbach hugs pitti [10:58] dholbach: done [10:59] pitti: thanks a lot! === dholbach hugs pitti again [10:59] no problem :) === astinus [n=alex@gentoo/developer/astinus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] daseeb: then please file a bug report to this team that they should pass the appropriate -L option [11:01] doko: libgcc.so doesn't exist here...:( perhaps my gcc is broken. what package contains libgcc.so? === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] pitti: ubuntu-docs change uploaded === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] daseeb: apt-get install dlocate; dlocate libgcc.so === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] err, dlocate only locates files on your system. use packages.ubuntu.com to find files not on your system [11:04] ogra: new gnome-power-manager too [11:04] cjwatson: yeah, but this package is installed; daseeb: anyway, look for libgcc_s.so === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] daseeb: to automate that: gcc --print-file-name libgcc_s.so [11:07] doko: [11:07] daseeb@daseeb-desktop:/$ gcc --print-file-name libgcc_s.so [11:07] /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgcc_s.so [11:07] doko: so this file exists... === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] daseeb: then please file a bug report to this team that they should pass the appropriate -L option [11:08] doko: ok [11:10] doko: and finally: should I link directly to libgcc_s.so or do some symlink to libgcc.so? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] daseeb: please ask the freepascal developers; I don't know anything of the freepascal internals [11:11] doko: ok... thx so far === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.154.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.154.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] mvo: does update-manager has some regexp expressions pickled? [11:16] doko: no, but gnome-app-install === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.32.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] mvo: ok, there's a fix on the python 2.5 branch to correctly unpickle regexps pickled with 2.4; will prepare an upload today [11:18] doko: cool, thanks [11:18] doko: I tested the fix here, it works fine for me === dogmatism [n=dogmatis@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.32.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Enola_Gay [n=enola@dslb-084-056-244-209.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] hi all === tlbs [n=tlbs@cpe-24-27-23-79.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] Does it make sense to create a bug report according the link of screen saver with gnome power manager? [11:29] That the lowest time you could choose in power manger is screen saver start time + 1 minute. [11:31] Or is it just gnome philosphie? [11:33] Enola_Gay: file a bug report with feature request in gnome === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elianm [n=elianm@customer-side2-telecomalbania.atnet.com.al] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@249.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] poningru: Thanks. [11:40] poningru: On Launchpad or the original Gnome hp? [11:40] does importing to Rosetta work at the moment? [11:40] Enola_Gay: just file it on lp [11:41] k [11:41] I'm having troubles like this https://launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/76017 [11:41] Malone bug 76017 in rosetta "Broken X-Rosetta-Export-Date header" [Critical,Fix released] [11:42] mvo: what's the current plan for bug 47044? [11:42] Malone bug 47044 in apt "apt cant work with disable proxy" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47044 [11:42] hehe, ubotu ? [11:43] pitti: still in verification-needed state, I can't sru-verify this myself as I did the sru reuqest and upload to -proposed [11:43] pitti: bdmurray will have to sru-verify this (together with popcon in dapper and some other packages) [11:43] mvo: right, I mean, is it still appropriate for an SRU in the first place, after the concerns raised? [11:44] pitti: the concern from simon? I explained that in my comment (I hope :) [11:46] mvo: at least the SRU queue slowly gets smaller :) [11:46] pitti: most of the remaining items a either issued by me or HW dependant (I'm not quite sure how to verify those) === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Enola_Gay [n=enola@dslb-084-056-244-209.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] Another problem is that "Add/Remove..." under Applications uses dpkg insteaf of apt-get or aptitude. [11:54] Aptitude and apt-get since Edgy log the dependencies or manual installed applications so it is possible to remove unused dependencies. [11:54] This isn't possible with the standard gnome installer. === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:54] Bug or feature? [11:59] You could live with it but the system has more and more installations which aren't needed and which are very hard without much knowledge to remove. That's why I like Edgy so much and reinstalled my system. Of course you can use synaptic or console tools but who knows it? [12:00] Enola_Gay: please file bug reports - add/remove uses synaptic which uses apt === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] Enola_Gay: " problem is that "Add/Remove..." under Applications uses dpkg insteaf " where did you got that information? [12:02] Enola_Gay: what dholbach said, its plain incorrect [12:02] dholbach: But after installing xchat with add/remove with two dependencies it was not possible to remove those both after removing xchat with apt-get autoremove. [12:02] Enola_Gay: under what release of ubuntu? if that is the case, this is a bug [12:02] mvo: From someone on ubuntu-de-Channel and I got the experience described above. === surak [n=surak@aopcao.uab.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] FEisty [12:03] Ok, I made some more tests. [12:03] *make [12:03] Enola_Gay: you tried to remove xchat with apt-get autoremove? === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable096.205-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] Enola_Gay: the feisty version of g-a-i should even deal with that automatically. so if you remove xchat with g-a-i it should automatically remove the two deps it installed for it [12:04] Simple question: where are gnome's keyboard layouts stored? I am intended to fix a bug on it... [12:04] dholbach, i found the bug with the vendor icon, you moved it from apps/ to places/ ... :) [12:04] mvo: So if I remove xchat with it the dependencies are automatically removed too? [12:04] ogra: i didn't [12:04] dholbach, thanks for the dia ping :) [12:04] -with [12:04] Enola_Gay: if you do it in g-a-i yes. with apt/synaptic it will (by default) just tell you about them and let you decide [12:04] dholbach, well, its in the places subdir on all my systems on feisty [12:04] ogra: we added tangerine icons for all sizes and maybe upstream changed something in gnome-icon-theme [12:04] while its in apps on edgy [12:04] ah, k [12:05] ogra: you got the gpm ping too? === auxesis_ [n=lindsay@202.177.221.61] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] anyway, moving my icons over fixes it :) [12:05] nice [12:05] i'm subscribed to the gpm list, got the release mail yesterday ;) [12:05] I can fix the bug with xmodmap, however it's not clear to me how gnome sets up the keyboard. DHolbachy [12:05] neat [12:05] ? [12:06] surak: hm? [12:06] ops, dholbach - damn keyboard! [12:06] ok :) [12:06] i wondered if I missed something [12:06] it's bug #68357 [12:06] Malone bug 68357 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard "Spanish layout misses ~ combinations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68357 [12:07] mvo: Sorry, that would account why apt-get autoremove shows no unused dependencies afterwards. [12:07] it's surely posted against the wrong package. === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] Enola_Gay: no problem [12:08] Yeah, works fine. It doesn't remove all dependencies but they are still removable with apt-get autoremove. Great. [12:09] Enola_Gay: g-a-i will only autoremove dependencies of the removed pkg on removal. not all no-longer-required dependencies === mvo wonders if that sentence makes sense [12:09] mvo: yes, it makes :) [12:10] mvo: It seems to remove the direct dependencies but not the indirect ones I guess. [12:10] Enola_Gay: what was your testcase? install xchat and remove it again all from within g-a-i? did it leave any deps for autoremoval in that case that werent present before? [12:11] mvo, that works completly fine. It removes all dependencies. === StevenK wonders how to get PCI device IDs with lspci. [12:11] But I am checking it with kvpnc. [12:12] Enola_Gay: great :) make sure that #ubuntu-de knows about this too so that we do not have false rumors :) [12:12] Yeah, I have posted it [12:12] thanks! [12:12] yeah, I am right [12:13] If you install kvpcn it has a bunch of dependencies. After removing it uninstalls kdelibs and menu but not arts and Co so I think kvpnc depends on kdelibs but kdelibs on arts so g-a-i removes only direct dependencies. [12:13] Which is fine imho since it could be remove with apt-get autoremove [12:13] the indirect ones [12:14] Enola_Gay: nice catch. could you please file a bug about this? jus tso that its not forgotten? === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] Mithrandir: did you have an opinion on k3b 1.0 UVF exception? [12:15] mvo: Ok, I make it. What is the name of this package? [12:15] Enola_Gay: please file against "gnome-app-install" [12:15] k [12:15] Riddell: hm, sorry, I haven't gotten to it. I'll do so. [12:15] Thanks. [12:16] thank you! [12:17] urgh, so many duplicates in the SoC applications [12:25] pitti: Why is that a bad thing? Wouldn't you want multiple applications for the same task, that way you can choose which candidate you think will do the best job? [12:26] evand: I just replied to the ubuntu-soc list about that [12:26] evand: best thing might be collaboration, if the rules allow that [12:26] Free software is all about collaboration, after all :) [12:26] ah, indeed === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] pitti: now that the beta has been released, will you do a lang pack update *now* before the final one ? [12:33] mvo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/96410 [12:33] carlos: not sure, do you think it would be a good idea? [12:33] Malone bug 96410 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install removes only direct dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:33] seb128: ^ see carlos' question [12:33] pitti: yeah, I fixed many templates and still approving some new ones [12:33] so we get some more testing on it [12:33] Which package consists Gnome power manager? [12:34] pitti: what? language pack updates? sure, translators only started to work on feisty since it was not open before ... [12:34] Enola_Gay: gnome-power-manager [12:34] cjwatson: thanks :) === reitblatt [n=mark@horatio-073.cs.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] carlos: I can use the current daily ones from yesterday afternoon's rosetta tarballs; is that a good one, or shall I wait a bit more? [12:34] pitti: also, I wrote a script to fix the new line char and 'dot representing space' that should fix those translations [12:35] cool [12:35] pitti: wait until tomorrow [12:35] I will execute my script to fix the data [12:35] and do a new export [12:35] carlos: so, wait for tomorrow afternoon's rosetta tarballs? or today's? [12:35] Enola_Gay: thanks [12:35] pitti: tomorrow afternoon [12:36] carlos: alright [12:36] pitti: I will ping you, just wanted to know your plans [12:36] so I can schedule next steps [12:36] mvo: You're welcome! :) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.32.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] Mithrandir, so whats the magic i need to make MN not touch my interface ? is there a gconf key i can set or something ? [12:37] *NM [12:38] else i'll need to drop it from edubuntu,m since it always hogs the server interface of ltsp [12:38] i looked at the spec but there is no trace of how to disable NM management... [12:39] pitti: are you in charge of auto retrace bot project? (charge for lack of better word) [12:39] gnomefreak: yes, I am [12:40] pitti: it seems to be auto tagging already retraced crash reports [12:40] gnomefreak: that was me [12:40] oh ok [12:40] gnomefreak: I re-tagged failed crash reports from the weekend after fixing the chroots [12:40] ogra: temporarily, you can add a mapping stanza. I'm going to add something to interfaces(5) that you can use to tell NM to not touch it. [12:41] ok cause a few we ended up retracing i guess and getting decent feedback from apport. hjmf is seeing this. [12:41] cool, i was fearing i had to tear it out [12:41] I thought NM shouldn't touch it if the interface appears in interfaces(5)... [12:41] i can wiat until that stanza is read ... [12:41] *wait [12:42] gnomefreak: it's possible that this created some unnecessary bug spam, but checking all of the 86 failed bugs manually was too much effort [12:42] i think interfaces altready has a hotplug flag, just add nohotplug :) === StevenK tries to convince his machine that it has a SATA controller, and fails miserably. [12:42] i understand i just didnt know if it was a bug or if it was meant to be done [12:45] Hrm. It appears in the PCI ID list for ata_piix. === waylandbill [n=kvirc@74-34-7-87.dsl1-merch.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === surak [n=surak@aopcao.uab.es] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] I've got what appears to be a pretty serious bug in genisoimage, I thought was growisofs at first, but genisoimage isn't selectable in the package list, and I want to make sure it get's noticed by the right maintainer. Bug #96096 [12:59] Malone bug 96096 in dvd+rw-tools "Unable to burn good DVD+R" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96096 [12:59] LeeJunFan: genisoimage is from the source package cdrkit [01:00] poningru: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/96419 [01:00] Malone bug 96419 in gnome-power-manager "it isn't possible to choose sleep times lower then the screen saver one" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === EtienneG [n=etienne@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === waylandbill [n=kvirc@74-34-7-87.dsl1-merch.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Time] [01:01] cjwatson: I looked for that too. I'll try again. [01:02] dholbach: ping? [01:02] kwwii: pong [01:03] cjwatson: nope, if I'm going the right way about this - trying to attach to an upstream product - cdrkit isn't there either. [01:03] dholbach: I'm updating the gdm theme gtkrc file (as well as the list theme gtkrc) to fix a problem with the icons no showing [01:03] kwwii: alrighty [01:03] kwwii: let me know once you have it done [01:03] dholbach: I'll let you know when it is pushed [01:03] ;-) [01:05] LeeJunFan: no [01:05] LeeJunFan: click on "dvd+rw-tools (Ubuntu)" and change the source package from dvd+rw-tools to cdrkit [01:06] cjwatson: thanks. [01:06] LeeJunFan: if you wanted to use the "Also affects" thing (although it doesn't sound appropriate if you don't believe the bug is in growisofs), you'd use "Also affects: Distribution", and select Ubuntu as the distribution and cdrkit as the source package [01:06] cjwatson: no, the proper thing at this point is to reassign it totally. [01:06] justdave's first law: all bug handling software must be convoluted enough to not accept bug reports from end user [01:06] LeeJunFan: right === giftnudel [n=mb@frnk-590c56d2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svolpe_gerrath [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] Thanks for support, cu all. === Enola_Gay [n=enola@dslb-084-056-244-209.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === asac_ [n=asac@e177163097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anti_pop [n=anti_pop@p54b0acfc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] this might the wrong channel to ask, but is it possible that nvidias 9631 driver will not work with the latest 2.6.20-13 kernel ? === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-584645fa39f16df4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerxas [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-28-53.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] mpt: pong === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] I noticed that nvidia-glx was updated to 9755... any chance of a "new-legacy" with 9631? === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] keescook: ping === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] asac, I'm here [01:22] hi [01:22] about the bug workflow ... i don't think that there is one fits all :) === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] does anyone know how to use grep to find NUL bytes in files? grep '\000' and variations doesn't work [01:23] If there isn't, that's a problem for this whole "Launchpad" idea [01:24]