[06:29] <sid> @schedule New_York
[06:29] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 27 Mar 04:00: MOTU | 27 Mar 16:00: Technical Board | 28 Mar 16:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 18:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 16:00: Marketing Team
[07:25] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[07:25] <BFTD> hi
[10:03] <manchicken> I R Here
[10:04] <Riddell> oh hi
[10:05] <Riddell> JohnFlux?
[10:05] <JohnFlux> hey
[10:06] <Riddell> Noel Torres about?
[10:07] <Riddell> has everyone been contacted by canonical?
[10:07] <JohnFlux> I haven't
[10:08] <Riddell> JohnFlux: they've probably been trying your kdemail.net address
[10:08] <envite> I'm Noel Torres
[10:08] <kwwii> hi
[10:08] <Noel_Torres> I'm usually Envite in chats, mails, svn, ...
[10:08] <Riddell> JohnFlux: please e-mail claire.newman@canonical.com and say who you are and ask for details for the travel agent
[10:08] <JohnFlux> Riddell: ah, and the servers aren't working that well
[10:08] <allee> Riddell: yes,  I've confirmed the flight  with Claire already
[10:09] <Riddell> JohnFlux: I'm going by train, if you want to get the same trains let me know
[10:09] <Riddell> manchicken: your travel sorted?
[10:09] <Riddell> hi Noel_Torres, pleased to meet you
[10:09] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: are you coming to UDS and/or UES?
[10:09] <Noel_Torres> No, i'll not
[10:10] <manchicken> I'm waiting for Canonical's travel folks to get back to me.  They asked me to confirm my travel dates, I did, haven't heard from them since.
[10:10] <Noel_Torres> somebody must keep the fort :)
[10:10] <Noel_Torres> pleased to meet you too
[10:10] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: ok, so Cristo is coming and Agustn right?
[10:10] <Noel_Torres> Yes, but probably they will be three
[10:10] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: do you know who else?
[10:11] <Noel_Torres> Cristo, Agustn and Gonzalo Aller
[10:11] <manchicken> I doubt that they sent anything, but there was a slight snafu on my mail account that could have missed it, but it was a very small window.
[10:11] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: ok, do you know if they're all staying for the whole thing?
[10:12] <Riddell> manchicken: just e-mail them in a day or two if you don't hear back
[10:12] <manchicken> Righto.
[10:12] <Noel_Torres> About staying I don't know, about (very) interested in assist, no
[10:13] <allee> manchicken: I've confirmed this morning ~ 1.00 and Claire replied okay-thx two hours later
[10:13] <allee> 11.00 that is
[10:13] <Noel_Torres> Agustin and Gonzalo wants to assist to education and community days, and Cristo to coding days
[10:13] <Noel_Torres> mostly
[10:14] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: ok, tell them to make sure it's clear to Claire Newman who is staying for which days
[10:14] <allee> did anyone wake up Hobbsee?
[10:14] <Riddell> allee: I phoned, got an answerphone
[10:14] <Noel_Torres> I'll tell them
[10:14] <Riddell> next thing is you should all register to be at the meeting on launchpad https://code.beta.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/+attend
[10:14] <allee> :)
[10:14] <manchicken> allee: Are you going through their travel folks?
[10:15] <Riddell> or rather https://code.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/+attend
[10:15] <allee> manchicken: yes,  dionne@eyas
[10:16] <kwwii> Riddell: do I need to add myself to that page too?
[10:17] <Riddell> kwwii: yes
[10:17] <Riddell> from  2007-05-06  to  2007-05-11
[10:18] <kwwii> Riddell: thnx
[10:18] <Riddell> is everyone clear that this isn't a conference?  it's a summit to write specs for the next 6 months based on small group sessions
[10:18] <manchicken> Ooh, I don't now the times....
[10:18] <Noel_Torres> We know
[10:18] <Riddell> manchicken: just the date is enough
[10:18] <manchicken> Righto.
[10:19] <manchicken> so 5/6 through 5/11?
[10:19] <allee> manchicken: see on the right hand side.  but looks like they are not used on the left hand side ;)
[10:19] <Riddell> manchicken: 21:17 < Riddell> from  2007-05-06  to  2007-05-11
[10:19] <manchicken> Brewtiful.
[10:20] <manchicken> Ooh, will there be beer or will I have to provide my own?
[10:20] <Riddell> all meals are paid for
[10:20] <manchicken> I can do either, I just need to know how much a tasty beer is over there.
[10:20] <Riddell> sometimes conferences we have dinner in the hotel, some out
[10:20] <manchicken> ah.
[10:20] <Riddell> don't know which will happen this time
[10:20] <JohnFlux> Riddell: shall I speak to Claire about trying to share a room with my wife there?
[10:20] <Riddell> JohnFlux: yes
[10:21] <JohnFlux> ah ha!
[10:21] <kwwii> manchicken: beer is resonable but you have to pay for it ;-)
[10:21] <JohnFlux> you just said it wasn't a conference :P
[10:21] <Riddell> manchicken: if we eat out then you get a daily allowance for dinner.  if you want you can eat cheap porridge and spend the rest on beer
[10:22] <manchicken> When I did the Perl Hackathon there was beer provided, but they certainly accepted contributions :)
[10:22] <allee> lol
[10:22] <manchicken> Ah.  Righto.
[10:22] <allee> Hobbsee: morning!
[10:22] <manchicken> I like cheap porridge as long as there's tasty beer.
[10:22] <manchicken> :)
[10:22] <manchicken> Grain carbos and beer.  THAT, my friends, is how to get through college.
[10:22] <manchicken> (even though I never got through)
[10:22] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:23] <manchicken> kwwii: BTW, is it my imagination or did you redo the login screen for feisty?
[10:23] <Riddell> now the agenda
[10:23] <Riddell> I'm not sure why but they don't seem to be using launchpad for registering specs this time
[10:23] <kwwii> manchicken: not since I changed it the first time
[10:23] <Riddell> but my list so far is...
[10:23] <Riddell> Adept User Notifications
[10:23] <Riddell> Adept Cdrom Upgrades
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Accessibilty Keyboard
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Kiosktool
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Feisty+1 KDE 4 Plan
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu System Settings for KDE 4
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Guidance for KDE 4
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Restricted Manager
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Feisty+1 Adept Plan
[10:23] <Riddell> Edubuntu KDE
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Website
[10:23] <Riddell> any suggestions or questions about those?
[10:24] <Noel_Torres> yes
[10:24] <Hobbsee> heya!
[10:24] <Hobbsee> sorry for lateness
[10:24] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee
[10:24] <Noel_Torres> we're using RT as our bugs submitting and managing system
[10:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is your travel sorted?
[10:24] <kwwii> Riddell: there will probably be one for new artwork for derivatives as well
[10:24] <Noel_Torres> and we'll have a very big user base
[10:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not yet.  in discussions with the travel agent
[10:24] <Hobbsee> had to wait to see if elkbuntu was getting sponsored yet
[10:24] <Riddell> kwwii: you should add it to https://wiki.canonical.com/UDS-Sevilla/Agenda
[10:25] <Noel_Torres> so we want to find the way of joining our system with official ubuntu/kubuntu bugtracking systems
[10:25] <kwwii> Riddell: will do...wanted to talk to Mark about that first though
[10:25] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: I'm sure there is, I'll add that to the agenda, it'll need a launchpad person there
[10:25] <Noel_Torres> and we want to talk about kwifimanager, ltsp, monitoring, sudo&kdesudo and kmenu
[10:26] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: I can add a general meduxa and Kubuntu session too
[10:26] <Noel_Torres> and by last thing (I'm sorry but i have a hardcopy by Agustin)
[10:26] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: it's all good
[10:27] <Noel_Torres> we're using MediaWiki for generating content and we want to submit to Ubuntu
[10:27] <allee> oh, https://wiki.canonical.com/UDS-Sevilla/Agenda is password protected
[10:27] <Noel_Torres> mainly kubuntu user manuals
[10:27] <JohnFlux> Riddell: I don't have access to that page you said
[10:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i think i'm at Ubucon the day before, actually
[10:27] <Riddell> JohnFlux: no, it's top secret
[10:27] <Riddell> JohnFlux: I'm not sure why, but that's the way they're doing it
[10:28] <JohnFlux> Riddell: I did have an email from claire - I had just ignored it :-D
[10:28] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: ok, I'll add a session for that too
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are you sure that all meals are paid for?  apparently for MTV that didnt happen.  was that canonical employees only?
[10:28] <JohnFlux> Riddell: I've replied back and told her about the accomodation etc
[10:28] <Riddell> JohnFlux: tsk
[10:28] <Noel_Torres> Riddell: Ok, I'll tell Agustin and the others about that
[10:28] <JohnFlux> Hobbsee: at google?
[10:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: at MTV lunch was free on google and dinner you paid for and claimed back from your daily allowance from canonical
[10:28] <manchicken> Sorry, having to deal with a car problem, I'm trying to pay attention :)
[10:28] <Hobbsee> JohnFlux: yes
[10:28] <JohnFlux> Hobbsee: the food was _at_ google for free
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh.  okay
[10:29] <Hobbsee> JohnFlux: i'd heard otherwise
[10:29] <JohnFlux> Hobbsee: and you got like $20 a day for evening food
[10:29] <Hobbsee> JohnFlux: neat
[10:29] <JohnFlux> I gained like 10 KG there!
[10:29] <JohnFlux> too much food!
[10:29] <Noel_Torres> May I say one more thing?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> hehe.  sounds good - as i need to
[10:29] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: please do
[10:30] <JohnFlux> Riddell: is the train more expensive than to fly?
[10:30] <Noel_Torres> Ok, thanks. We're starting a community for three Canary Islands's Linux distributions
[10:30] <Hobbsee> ah, so more people have been thinking of taking the train
[10:30] <Riddell> JohnFlux: sometimes, although canonical should pay
[10:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I don't suggest you do :)
[10:30] <Noel_Torres> it's called HeXprides (www.hexperides.org)
[10:30] <allee> Hobbsee: you too?
[10:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why?
[10:30] <JohnFlux> Riddell: yeah but there's the woman
[10:30] <Hobbsee> allee: thinking about it
[10:31] <Noel_Torres> one of the distros (meduxa) is kubuntu based, and other one is Ubuntu based
[10:31] <JohnFlux> Riddell: unless we put here in the luggage or something
[10:31] <Noel_Torres> so we'll have a big community (we at least hope so)
[10:31] <allee> Hobbsee: train? From Australia?  Interesting!
[10:31] <Riddell> JohnFlux: fair point.  there's also the planet of course
[10:31] <JohnFlux> meh
[10:31] <JohnFlux> the planes fly to carry goods
[10:31] <Noel_Torres> and we want to determine the best way for general (K)ubuntu and HeXprides communities to interact
[10:32] <JohnFlux> people don't weigh much
[10:32] <Hobbsee> allee: heh.  no, only from madrid
[10:32] <JohnFlux> that's why easyjet etc offer such low fares
[10:32] <JohnFlux> the money from people doesn't even cover the salaries
[10:32] <JohnFlux> all the money is from cargo shipping
[10:33] <JohnFlux> if nobody at all flew, easyjet etc would still fly as many planes
[10:33] <JohnFlux> :-)
[10:33] <JohnFlux> or something
[10:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are the tentative plans for kde 4 and feisty+1?
[10:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well, that's what we'll be discussing in that session :)
[10:35] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: ok, I've put that down too
[10:35] <allee> Hobbsee: fwiw: everything we plan to do with KDE 3 has to be done with an eye on how to do it in KDE 4
[10:35] <Hobbsee> allee: true
[10:35] <Noel_Torres> Riddell: ok, thanks
[10:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i realise that.  i was more wantign to know if we'd be aiming for kde4 in this release or not
[10:36] <kwwii> SUSE is planning a release around the same time, or? if so, I would bet that they release with kde4 (even if they shop a kde3 as well)
[10:36] <allee> Hobbsee: didn't read Riddels blog?
[10:36] <kwwii> s/shop/ship
[10:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: probably not, KDE 4 release is after Kubuntu release
[10:36] <Hobbsee> allee: it's on planet, adn it's not showing as unread, so i would have
[10:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, OK
[10:37] <JohnFlux> you should probably allow for kde4 to be late by a few months
[10:37] <Riddell> that too
[10:37] <JohnFlux> it will quite probably be on time etc
[10:37] <Riddell> any other comments on the items I've scheduled?  or suggestions for others?
[10:37] <JohnFlux> but you can't set a kubuntu release date on it
[10:37] <kwwii> we should just make sure that there is good docu on how to install kde4 (even if it is not done it will be of interest for many)
[10:38] <allee> Riddell: bluetooth is a mess.  Can be made better in feisty+1
[10:38] <Riddell> allee: would be nice
[10:38] <Riddell> I'll put that down
[10:39] <Riddell> groovy, seems we're done
[10:39] <Riddell> thanks all, see you en espanol
[10:39] <Riddell> any last questions?
[10:40] <manchicken> Yeah...
[10:40] <manchicken> Got a tow truck I could borrow?
[10:40] <Noel_Torres> i hope that's all
[10:40] <Riddell> thanks for coming Noel_Torres
[10:40] <allee> yeah, nothing from my side
[10:40] <Riddell> manchicken: can't say I do
[10:40] <manchicken> That's a shame.
[10:40] <Riddell> oh yes, everyone has to be up by 09:00
[10:40] <Noel_Torres> don't worry, it has been a pleasure
[10:41] <Riddell> most important rule that
[10:41] <JohnFlux> I can do 9:00 easy
[10:41] <JohnFlux> that's like 11pm spainish time
[10:41] <JohnFlux> 11am
[10:41] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:41] <allee> Hobbsee: who's elkbuntu?
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: only asking why taking the train was bad - i dont think you answered me
[10:42] <manchicken> I can do 0900 as long as the timezone change doesn't murder me.
[10:42] <kwwii> Hobbsee: a kiwi :p
[10:42] <Hobbsee> allee: another aussie ubuntu girl - i'm rooming/travelling with her with her
[10:42] <Hobbsee> kwwii: nope, she's not a kiwi :P
[10:42] <lifeless> morning folk
[10:42] <JohnFlux> hmm, i can't find an airline that flys to San Pablo :-)
[10:42] <Hobbsee> hiya lifeless
[10:42] <lifeless> *I'm* a kiwi :)
[10:42] <kwwii> Hobbsee: oops, an aussie
[10:42] <JohnFlux> lifeless: heh, and lifeless
[10:47] <ajmitch> morning lifeless :)
[10:49] <manchicken> What clever name are we going to use for feisty+1?
[10:50] <Noel_Torres> guppy grog ?
[10:50] <kwwii> grumpy groundhog (that's me)
[10:50] <manchicken> Goofy Goat?
[10:50] <kwwii> as my birthday is on groundhogs day
[10:50] <manchicken> Ah.
[10:50] <Mithrandir> it'll probably be two names, with the first one being an adjective and the other a noun. :-P
[10:50] <manchicken> That is quite clever.
[10:50] <manchicken> heh
[10:50] <kwwii> and I bet after 3 months working for the company he'll name the next product after me
[10:51] <ajmitch> grumpy is already taken
[10:51] <manchicken> heh
[10:52] <kwwii> Riddell: as far as the website, we are discussing the new cms, making a nice K layout and transferring the existing info, or?
[10:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: because you live on an island surrounded by water
[10:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: *grin*
[10:53] <ajmitch> Riddell: that's a continent. I live on an island
[10:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i only meant from madrid :P
[10:53] <Riddell> JohnFlux: the travel agent does that for you
[10:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: from madrid is fine
[10:53] <Riddell> ajmitch: looks like an archipeligo to me, but only because that's a cool word to say
[10:53] <kwwii> lol
[10:53] <JohnFlux> Riddell: the Eyas one?
[10:54] <Riddell> JohnFlux: yes
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: didnt you know about the train lines that go from australia, all the way into asia, and the ones that go around the rest of the wolrd?
[10:54] <JohnFlux> Riddell: there website doesn't even work in firefox
[10:54] <JohnFlux> or at least, I couldn't work it out at all
[10:54] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: oh, over those big bridges?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> JohnFlux: just email them.  it's all flash enabled
[10:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yep
[10:54] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I did take the train from Oslo to Hong Kong once, so you can nearly do that. :-)
[10:54] <Riddell> JohnFlux: why do you need their website?  just e-mail them
[10:54] <JohnFlux> Hobbsee: yeah I have flash installed
[10:54] <JohnFlux> Riddell: :/
[10:54] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Yeah, I've ridden the one from California to Tokyo several times ;)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:54] <Riddell> Mithrandir: must have been a fun 6 weeks :)
[10:55] <Mithrandir> Riddell: more like three and a half, but yes.
[10:56] <kwwii> the trip is a vacation in itself
[10:57] <ajmitch> kwwii: it's long enough for me to fly to spain
[10:57] <Mithrandir> kwwii: that was kinda the point.
[10:57] <kwwii> Mithrandir: sounds like fun, actually
[10:58] <manchicken> I wonder how long the flight to Sevilla will actually be.
[10:58] <ajmitch> 30+ hours :)
[10:58] <Noel_Torres> well, I'm going bed
[10:58] <Noel_Torres> goodby all!
[10:59] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yep.  it's nasty
[10:59] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: are you thinking of taking the train from madrid?
[11:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: thinking about it, yeah
[11:00] <ajmitch> brave
[11:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: why so?
[11:00] <ajmitch> oh, how much spanish can you read/speak? :)
[11:01] <Hobbsee> not a word
[11:01] <Hobbsee> (yet)
[11:02] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:02] <ajmitch> back later
[11:05] <JohnFlux> Riddell: if you go by train, will you still do that via eyas?
[11:06] <Riddell> JohnFlux: no, I didn't
[11:06] <Riddell> although I believe you can
[11:06] <JohnFlux> Riddell: you've already booked?
[11:06] <Riddell> JohnFlux: yes
[11:06] <JohnFlux> Riddell: How much did it cost?
[11:06] <Riddell> dunno, someone else did it
[11:49] <[ade] > missed it entirely, i suppose
[11:49] <Riddell> hi [ade] 
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