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TheMusoHey MOTUs.12:21
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LaserJockhi TheMuso 12:21
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LaserJockhi ajmitch ;-)12:23
LaserJockauthtool done?12:23
ajmitchI was hacking on it last night :)12:23
danohuiginnif I've subscribed the wrong team to a bug, can I unsubscribe them?12:23
ajmitchthere's a *long* way before it'll be 'done'12:23
LaserJockdanohuiginn: I know you can at least if you belong to the team12:24
danohuiginnLaserJock: no, I don't. Subscribed archive admins to a bug, rather than sending it through universe sponsors12:24
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ajmitchI wonder what sort of things people asked12:25
LaserJockdanohuiginn: and if you go to the subscribe page it doesn't have an option?12:25
danohuiginnLaserJock: no, only to subscribe someone else as well12:26
TheMusoLaserJock: Hey I like your blog post.12:32
ajmitchTheMuso: the bddebian interview?12:32
TheMusoajmitch: Yep.12:32
ajmitchyeah that was great12:32
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LaserJockwell, I need to do it better12:33
ajmitchLaserJock: interview crimsun!12:33
LaserJockI will12:33
LaserJockand you too12:33
ajmitchnah I'm not important12:33
LaserJockif I do 1 a week I can get 53 MOTU people interviewed in a year12:33
LaserJock52 rather12:33
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ajmitchthen we'll have to keep adding more so that you have no need to interview me :)12:34
LaserJockall of the MOTU Council will have to be interviewed12:35
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SeveasLaserJock, "A MOTU a day, keeps the ajmitch away :p"12:37
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ajmitchreminds me, where's sistpoty?12:40
LaserJockSeveas: ubotu back up and running now?12:41
ajmitchsure, check -bugs12:41
ajmitchbug 9600212:42
ubotuMalone bug 96002 in gnome-volume-manager "Gnome Volume Manager don't work and the sound is very loud" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9600212:42
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ajmitchvolume is a nicely overused word12:42
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bddebianLaserJock: ajmitch should have been your first man!12:48
ajmitchnah I would have taken 6 months to reply :)12:48
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LaserJockbddebian: well, he's on my list too12:59
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bddebianI look like the freakin' idiot that I am :'-(01:03
LaserJockI went to all that work and you guys are so negative ;-)01:03
TheMusobddebian: Don't be so damn hard on yourself.01:03
TheMusoLaserJock: They have no reason to be./01:03
LaserJocklast time I do anything nice for you guys01:03
ajmitchLaserJock: the bddebian interview was great!01:04
ajmitchI'm not negative about the work you've done01:05
LaserJockI think he did great01:05
ajmitchjust about interviewing me :)01:05
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bddebianLaserJock: I very much appreciate the sentiment, I'm just not exactly a great example :-)01:05
LaserJockhis stuff on the community and his advice was perfect01:05
LaserJockyou are a perfect example Barry01:05
LaserJockyou've been here through everything01:05
LaserJockyou've had to step out for a while01:05
LaserJockyou've come back01:05
LaserJockyou've been yelled at by core-devs and still stuck through it :-)01:06
geserbddebian: if you can be a MOTU than everyone can01:06
ajmitchbddebian: you're a better example than I am01:07
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bddebiangeser: Hrm, I'm not quite sure how I should take that? :-)01:08
NafalloI think I might have uploaded gajim a while ago :-P01:08
LaserJockthe point is01:08
LaserJockBehind Ubuntu isn't about showing off the superstars so much01:08
LaserJockit's about giving people a view of the real MOTU01:09
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LaserJockthat we're just real people like everybody else01:09
Nafalloshould have been Behind He-Man then ;-)01:09
LaserJockso I'm going to interview new MOTUs01:10
LaserJockprobably even Hopefuls01:10
geserajmitch: there is your solution: become a MOTU superstar to avoid an interview :)01:10
ajmitchgeser: darn, that means having to do work01:10
LaserJockwell, you know the real way to get out of it01:10
NafalloLaserJock: sounds good. then you won't interview me or ajmitch :-)01:10
LaserJockif *you* had come up with it01:10
LaserJockI don't have to get interviewed because I'm running it ;-)01:11
TheMusoLaserJock: I think we can solve that one easily enough.01:11
LaserJockno way01:11
TheMusoYou're not getting out of it that easily. Right guys?01:11
Nafalloofcourse not :-)01:12
ajmitchTheMuso: I agree!01:13
LaserJockwow, we're up to 136 apps for SoC01:14
bddebianLaserJock: Actually now that you mention it, you should have started with yourself :-)01:14
LaserJockbddebian: that's silly :-)01:14
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Paddy_EIREcould anyone help compiling an app called QFlash for ubuntu?01:51
reitblattI can give it a try01:52
Paddy_EIREwell I extracted the file and did ./configure only for nothing to happen01:52
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reitblattPaddy_EIRE: let's move this to #ubuntu01:53
ajmitchtsmithe: you should try & make it clear that you're trying to raise funds for something :)02:01
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reitblattcan someone upload my patch for bug #84874 ?02:06
ubotuMalone bug 84874 in libopensync-plugin-google-calendar "missing helper" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8487402:06
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LaserJockoh my, what a confusing blog post02:11
ajmitchwhich post?02:12
ajmitchreitblatt: I'd like to find out why it's mistakenly in main before touching it02:12
LaserJockajmitch: tsmithe's02:12
ajmitchheh right02:13
reitblattajmitch: gotcha02:13
LaserJockI don't really get what he's saying02:13
ajmitchthat there are 'mirrors' of the planet ubuntu content02:15
ajmitchand he doesn't like that02:15
LaserJockit does kinda stink that they just redo planet to get ad space02:16
LaserJockbut it's kinda cool that they think it's worth it02:16
ajmitchthere's more than one of them ripping off planet02:16
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welshbytei don't really mind my blog feed being used wherever... it's the chance you take by being open source ;)02:19
welshbyteas long as no one changes what i say to make it look like i said something different, that is02:20
ajmitchI agree02:23
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joejaxxdiff -Nurp is not working02:31
ajmitchfix it!02:31
joejaxxajmitch: i just tried creating a patch02:32
joejaxxbut the -u application flag for diff is not working02:32
ajmitchall lies02:32
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joejaxxajmitch: how does this look for bug 5300102:38
ubotuMalone bug 53001 in wordpress "examples-mysql not adapted to ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5300102:38
ajmitchdon't drop virtual hosts into apache.conf :)02:39
joejaxxajmitch: that was already there02:39
ajmitchuse stuff like /etc/apache2/sites-available02:39
ajmitchwell your patch has a lot of unnecessary changes then02:39
ajmitchincluding the whole debian changelog, etc02:39
ajmitchmakes it hard ot see what you've changed02:39
joejaxxajmitch: how do i make diff only look at changed files?02:40
joejaxxi thought it was diff -Nurp dir dir02:40
ajmitcharen't you using debdiff?02:40
ajmitchit's much easier02:40
ajmitchdebdiff oldversion.dsc newversion.dsc02:41
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joejaxxajmitch: http://fluxbuntu.org/bug53001.patch04:31
joejaxxused debdiff this time :)04:31
joejaxxdebdiff makes it much cleaner04:32
joejaxxor anyone else?04:38
joejaxxi wanted to know if i did that correctly or not04:38
FujitsuApart from breaking the FHS, looks OK.04:39
ajmitchnow that there's not so much cruft I can see that it's not as crazy as I thought04:39
ajmitchFujitsu: debian has a long history of that04:39
joejaxxFujitsu: yeah i added a little summary to README.debian about that :P04:40
Fujitsuajmitch: Noted, but I still don't like it.04:40
ajmitchyou don't need to like it04:40
joejaxxso what happens next, upload it to the launchpad bug page?04:40
joejaxxas an attachment?04:42
tritiumLaserJock: did you find out what's delaying the upload of l-r-m?04:55
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ajmitchhey tritium 04:59
tritiumhey there ajmitch 04:59
ajmitchprobably that it's the weekend :)04:59
tritiumyeah, could be :)04:59
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ajmitchafaict it's just held up in binary NEW05:01
ajmitchone moment..05:01
tritiumk, thx05:01
ajmitchresulting binaries on that page05:02
tritiumgracias :)05:03
LaserJockajmitch: oh, that's smart. I should have thought of that05:04
tritiumThanks, ajmitch.  That's a big help05:06
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FujitsuThanks Amaranth.06:22
Amaranthlittle late :)06:22
Amaranthwas busy in -effects06:23
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LaserJockhi Hobbsee 06:54
FujitsuAfternoon, Hobbsee.06:54
Hobbseehey LaserJock, Fujitsu 06:55
RAOFHm.  Bug #95814 seems to have had apport-retrace run over it (the need-amd64-retrace tag has been removed), but the stacktrace is still all "?? in ()"06:56
ubotuMalone bug 95814 in banshee "[apport]  banshee.exe crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 67344)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9581406:56
ubotuMalone bug 67344 in banshee "Crash while importing / trying to play at the same time" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6734406:56
FujitsuRAOF: Probably means that the debug symbols aren't around at the moment, or have been removed from the archive, or similar.06:57
RAOFRight, so it's not a misunderstanding on my part of how apport-retrace works?06:57
FujitsuI don't believe so.06:58
RAOFThat's annoying :(06:59
FujitsuThe crashes need to be retraced before the symbols are removed from the repos, unfortunately.07:00
RAOFWhen are the symbols removed?07:01
FujitsuProbably when the next version is uploaded.07:01
RAOFMy crash logs are from the most recent banshee.07:01
RAOFMy laptop's apt-cache seems to think there's the appropriate banshee-dbgsym package available, too.07:02
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RAOFWhere would be the right place to file a bug about that?  /apport?  /malone?  Is it bugworthy?07:09
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superm1_RAOF, u mean what i just menionted at :02, or something that was mentioned in between my disconnect?07:11
RAOFsuperm1_: I don't see anything you mentioned at :02.  I was refering to apport-retrace failing to create a useful stacktrace for banshee07:13
superm1_RAOF, oh then it looks like my message was lost before i got disconnected then07:13
superm1_i was asking racarr:, in the beryl packages that got into feisty, it appears that beryl-xgl is gone now (and hence beryl-manager is broke for xgl).  was this intentional?07:13
RAOFYou are, however, welcome to comment on my question :)07:13
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superm1_RAOF, are you meaning to point out a bug in apport-retrace then i take it?07:15
RAOFWell, somewhere in the Malone/need-amd64-retrace tag/apport-retrace nexus.07:15
superm1_i'd guess: https://launchpad.net/apport07:15
Amaranthsome common package/app is doing evil things to users' home dir07:15
superm1_with the bugs under that07:15
FujitsuUm, RAOF, now I look at that bug...07:16
FujitsuDon't file a bug.07:16
Amaranthi've gotten like 10 bugs in last 3 days from people saying alacarte is broken because ~/.local is owned by root07:16
FujitsuRAOF: The retrace isn't finished yet. You'll see two extra comments added when it's done07:16
RAOFThat's... awkward.07:16
AmaranthRAOF: also, older coredumps won't give good retraces07:17
RAOFThat was in reference to Amaranth's problem of something chowning .local07:17
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Amaranthit's freaking annoying07:17
RAOFAmaranth: Yeah, but my coredump is nice and fresh.07:17
RAOFAs of yesterday :)07:17
Amaranthiirc pitti said the retrace service had enough work to do to churn for the whole weekend07:18
FujitsuIt's taken the bug for processing, shouldn't be more than another few minutes.07:18
FujitsuThat's not the bug I thought it was...07:19
FujitsuIf it doesn't appear in a few minutes, it has probably choked on that retrace, and you should poke pitti about it.07:19
FujitsuI see that the addition of the tag was 20 /hours/ ago, whereas I originally read minutes :-/07:20
RAOFCompiz bug for you Amaranth!  Someone else has found that the nvidia drivers suck :)07:21
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RAOFI'll reject it on the basis of evil nVidia, then :)07:23
RAOFThat's ok, right Amaranth?07:24
Amaranthalready done07:25
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO | http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html
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Amaranthpochu: Ah, so you're the other one doing compiz bug triage. :)08:03
ajmitchRAOF: btw, stuff like mono apps often won't get a useful stacktrace, because they're run in a JIT08:03
pochuAmaranth: mostly desktop-effects :)08:03
pochuAmaranth: though my knowledge is minimun :(08:04
pochubut I help in what I can :)08:04
AmaranthWell, I remember I was looking for you a week or so ago to tell you not to upstream every single bug report. :)08:04
AmaranthBut that doesn't seem to be a problem now so...08:04
pochuhehe, ok :)08:05
Amaranthbtw, does the launchpad beta spit out a page that your browser wants to download for anyone else?08:05
Amaranthlike 25% of the time when i try to use it08:05
Amaranthi thought it might just be me08:05
pochuAmaranth: a bin file?08:05
pochuAmaranth: known bug (also in productive LP) :(08:06
pochuthough they don't know how to fix it hehe08:06
Amaranthis it just when it's under high load?08:06
Amaranthbecause lp also goes extremely slowly when it does it to me08:06
Amaranthwhich is kind of funny08:06
pochuit's always slow to me ;)08:06
Amaranthwhen it's going slow because of high load it makes you fetch most things twice, not exactly helping the load problems08:07
FujitsuAmaranth: I get the same, the frequency changes too :(08:07
FujitsuReally annoying.08:07
FujitsuAnd it only started recently.08:07
pochuyeah, also the left bar doesn't work properly sometimes (need to refresh)08:07
pochubut we are beta testers, aren't we? :)08:08
crimsunit's more funner on 56kbps dialup. No, really. It's ponies!08:08
Fujitsupochu: That's like due to the Javascript not loading due to the same issue.08:08
Fujitsucrimsun: That sounds great!08:08
pochuFujitsu: known bug?08:08
Fujitsu(you're on 56k now? I thought it was 28k...)08:08
crimsunit has always been 56kbps, but it's effectively 28.808:08
Amaranthpochu: same bug08:08
pochuah :)08:09
Amaranthcrimsun: that's...painful08:09
crimsunAmaranth: builds character08:09
Amaranthwell, better than what i'll likely have as of sometime today08:09
Amaranthno internet :/08:09
pochuwhere are u then? :)08:09
Amaranthunless these guys except half the money i owe today and the rest in 2 weeks08:09
ajmitchcrimsun: you make a cup of coffee for every page load?08:09
FujitsuMy days of 28.8kbps are over as of about 6 months ago :)08:10
crimsunajmitch: jog down the block, refill coffee, read the paper, ...08:10
ajmitchAmaranth: why so broke?08:10
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Amaranthajmitch: just starting a new job08:10
ajmitchoh dear08:10
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FujitsuOh dear, we're doomed.08:10
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Amaranththat i'll only have for about a month if they don't let me go to spain :P08:10
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ajmitchgood luck with that08:11
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crimsunLongPointyStick is enjoying the vestiges of beryl.08:11
Amaranthhell i'd be ready to smack something too ;)08:11
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Amaranthwhich reminds me, it's sad to see all the problems people are having with compiz in ubuntu08:12
Amaranthi guess it just shows how fast this stuff is moving08:12
ajmitchhey Hobbsee 08:13
Amaranthbecause compiz from latest git is so much better in all the little things it fixes (and some big things)08:13
ajmitchAmaranth: so push to get it in08:13
Amaranthseb128 tried getting a snapshop of the 0.4 head in08:13
Amaranthseems to have died08:13
pochuheya Hobbsee08:13
Hobbseehiya pochu 08:13
Amaranthgandalfn is on a quest to backport half of git into the 0.3.6 package to work around UVF ;)08:14
crimsunthat way madness lies.08:14
Amaranthi won't touch that package08:14
crimsunoh I remember the grey hairs with vlc and backporting round about, oh, say breezy08:14
Amaranthi've got this plugin to do edge resistance without wobbly but i just attached the plain .c file to the bug and left it for someone else to try to figure out08:15
Amaranthit's got like 20 patches08:15
Amaranthone reruns autoconf, another rebuilds the gconf schema...08:15
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pochuheya Lure08:17
pochudesktop-effects cleaned up :) just 1 bug unconfirmed, which is bug 94906. anybody want to finish the work? :)08:18
ubotuMalone bug 94906 in desktop-effects "Unable to use due to special xorg.conf settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9490608:18
Lurehi pochu and motu!08:18
Amaranthpochu: dunno wtf they're talking about, since when did desktop-effects edit your xorg.conf?08:20
ajmitchrestricted-manager does08:20
Amaranthhmm, maybe desktop-effects calls out to it08:20
Amaranthit does :/08:21
pochu * Add 02_check_restricted_manager.patch: Call 'restricted-manager08:22
pochu    --check-composite', and if that succeeded (i. e. a composite driver was08:22
pochu    available and enabled), ask to restart the app after rebooting and exit.08:22
Amaranthpochu: reassign to restricted-manager and wishlist it08:22
pochuchangelog from pitti08:22
pochuAmaranth: ok :)08:22
pochuthanks ;)08:22
pochudo you guys know what has happened to Ubugtu?08:23
Amaranthbug 108:23
ubotuMalone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108:23
ajmitchit was killed off08:23
Amaranththey merged08:23
pochuhave ubotu and ubugtu been merged?08:23
Amaranthubugtu was running some channel management stuff too, was kind of weird08:24
pochuthen Seveas forgot to log ubotu in #ubuntu-iso :(08:24
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Amaranthpochu: nice, desktop-effects has 3 important bugs, one typo bug, and a couple wishlist/low bugs :)08:27
Amaranthnow get compiz down to that ;)08:27
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pochuAmaranth: 104 bugs in compiz :-/08:27
pochu103 now :)08:27
jussi01morning motu's08:27
Amaranthwhen i started it had 74 and i knocked it down to ~6008:27
Amaranthi think half of them are actually bug 8918908:28
ubotuMalone bug 89189 in xorg "No text in save/dialog boxes" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8918908:28
AmaranthBurgundavia: are you still using compiz?08:28
pochuAmaranth: we can make a good bughelper clue :)08:29
Amaranth"some sort of invisible stuff" == that bug08:29
Burgundaviacompiz bugs used to be down at around 50 when I was doing it :)08:29
Burgundaviaas for running compiz, no, I value stablity and not ripping out my hair08:29
crimsunthere are no bugs, only features.08:29
AmaranthBurgundavia: do you have XAANoOffscreenPixmaps enabled in your xorg.conf?08:30
Burgundaviano idea, let me check08:30
Amaranthif not please add it, restart X, and test bug 38121 again :)08:30
ubotuMalone bug 38121 in compiz "gnome-window-decorator does not update titles" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3812108:30
Amaranthshould be in the Device section, btw08:35
Seveas@join #ubuntu-iso08:35
Seveassorry pochu08:35
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pochuSeveas: thanks :) will ubotu take some time in join?08:37
crimsunpochu: do you have time to review #95514's affect on amule?08:38
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pochubug 9551408:38
ubotuMalone bug 95514 in wxwidgets2.8 "[UVFe]  wxwidgets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9551408:38
pochucrimsun: already running in amule (I have rebuilt it, didn't know whether that was neccessary or not)08:39
pochucrimsun: at least bug 68792 and bug 81980 are still there :-/08:40
ubotuMalone bug 68792 in amule "amule crashes when trying to download kad nodes" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6879208:40
ubotuMalone bug 81980 in amule "Amule Crash when I try to get the server list" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8198008:40
crimsunok, so does actually fix any of our reported bugs?08:43
pochucrimsun: not sure, but I think not :(08:44
AmaranthBurgundavia: Now that I look at it most of your bugs for compiz seem to be bug 89189 which is fixed by adding that option to xorg.conf08:44
ubotuMalone bug 89189 in xorg "No text in save/dialog boxes" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8918908:45
pochunot sure about those apport reports (I'm not good with stacktraces)08:45
BurgundaviaAmaranth: hmm, lovely. Why not turn the option on by default then?08:45
pochubut the changelog doesn't mention them08:45
Amaranthbecause it disabled most of the stuff that makes XAA useful and kills performance when you're not using compiz08:45
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crimsunpochu: if you're interested in wxw2.8, please continue to track it. Currently my vote is +0 for that UVFe08:47
pochuSeveas: thanks :)08:47
pochucrimsun: ok, I'll try to see if it fixes any known bug08:47
ajmitchif you don't know of it fixing any bugs, why are you requesting it?08:48
pochuajmitch: I thought it would fix some bugs (since it's a bugfix release) but I have looked at it after requesting it :/08:48
racarrAmaranth: I still find "XAA" and "useful" being used in same same sentence funny08:49
racarrAmaranth: It's like "Disabling the firewall gets rid of the stuff that makes windows secure"08:49
Amaranthyeah well08:49
Amaranthit's a noticeable performance difference08:49
Amaranthand daniels said not to do it so...08:50
racarrIt's strange because I have the same bug08:50
racarron EXA08:50
Amaranthi'm thinking i should reassign bug 77164 to amarok08:51
ubotuMalone bug 77164 in compiz "Intense processor activity when Amarok is maximized" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7716408:51
Amaranththe only thing i could think that would cause it is amarok redrawing part of itself very fast and causing lots of damage events08:51
Amaranthwhich, well, will make the WM spin more08:52
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Amaranthalright, compiz is down to 85 bugs09:19
FujitsuAt least it's in main.09:21
AmaranthLathiat: a couple serious bugs, a dozen or so crashes that are two old to retrace, some wishlist stuff, etc09:23
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RAOFAs in "hella, yeah"? :)09:37
LaserJockajmitch: ping09:37
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macdRAOF, hows the IT world in AU ?09:37
dholbachRAOF: as in 'hello' in greek ;-)09:37
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RAOFThe IT world in .au is pretty much like the IT world everywhere else, I think :)09:38
RAOFdholbach: Cool, I learn (and probably forget) something new everyday :)09:38
ajmitchLaserJock: pong09:39
ajmitchhey dholbach 09:40
dholbachhey ajmitch09:41
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FujitsuToo many AUians around at the moment.09:42
LaserJocktaking over the world09:42
LaserJockif only you can get of the island09:43
RAOFIt's our afternoon.  You should all be asleep :)09:43
FujitsuThat we are.09:43
FujitsuLaserJock: Isn't it like 3am where you are?09:43
LaserJockumm, almost 1am09:44
ajmitchRAOF: why should I be sleeping?09:44
macdif only they would give those AU's some more intarwebs09:44
Amaranth3am here :/09:45
Fujitsumacd: That would be nice... Our tubes are very clogged.09:45
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macdFujitsu, yeah I have peers in AU that constantly complain about "regulated" and throttled internet09:45
macdI cant even fathom such things ;)09:46
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FujitsuStevenK: Is it dieing, or too small?09:46
macddoes it sound like a rock on the concrete when it spins yet ;)09:46
StevenKIt's more mis-partitioned.09:47
StevenKAnd it's a PATA drive, whereas the new drive is a yummy SATA II drive.09:47
macdyou know they make software for that sorta thing ;)09:47
Fujitsumacd: I was thinking the same.09:47
FujitsuBut SATAII sounds nicer.09:47
macdindeed it does09:47
RAOFajmitch: When I'm awake, everyone else is meant to be asleep.  It's a little known exclusion-principle.09:47
macdI picked up a 320gb sata2 for like 80 last week, I was so happy09:48
StevenKAnd it's also too small to really care much about fixing.09:48
FujitsuRAOF: Except for the fact that half the active channel is in AU/NZ.09:48
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macdthe rest are just underslept americans 09:49
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zakamehi all10:14
ajmitchhey zakame 10:14
zakameyo ajmitch10:14
zakameI'm on plan9 under qemu now, just testing :)10:14
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zakamehas anybody started with the revctl'd homedirs idea on GSoC2007?10:16
phanaticzakame: nobody went crazy hopefully :)10:21
zakame[no matches in 9.intro.pdf 9.ps 9.ps.gz bin/ kp.ps kp.ps.gz lib/ pikestyle.pdf plan9jun.tgz src/ tmp/ trofftut.ps zakame.png] 10:21
zakamegaah ctrl-f completion10:21
zakamephanatic: well I've this idea of implementing that plan9-style :P10:22
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zakamemaybe using pdumpfs (but I remember someone had thought of this too long before SoC)10:22
phanaticzakame: i don't know plan9 that well tbh10:22
zakamephanatic: well plan9 already has that kind of functionality, via its fossil+venti filesystem10:23
zakamea plan9 system with that has the capability of doing temporary and archival snapshots; the temp every 15 min and good for 4h; the archival, every morning10:24
phanaticsounds pretty cool10:24
zakameand the backups are easily accessible under different directories, sorted by date, e.g. /n/sourcesdump/2007/02/24/file10:25
zakamepdumpfs seems to already do this under Linux, but I've yet to see how feasible it can be10:25
dholbachdoko: do you think we should get the changes for bug 95983 in?10:32
ubotuMalone bug 95983 in Ubuntu "Burning CDs requires apps to be run as Sudo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9598310:32
dholbachdoko: do you think we should get the changes for bug 95893 in?10:32
ubotuMalone bug 95893 in gcc-h8300-hms "[UVFe Sync Request]  gcc-h8300-hms 1:3.4.6-2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9589310:32
dholbachsorry, wrong bug10:32
dholbachdoko: the changes are HUGE, so I'm not entirely sure about it10:33
FujitsuWe've had that version previously, haven't we?10:33
FujitsuIt's reverting from 4.1 due to it breaking a few things... Surely that's a good thing?10:34
dholbachoh right - it has an epoch now10:34
dholbachstill I'd like to hear doko about it - it's his area of expertise :)10:35
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dokodholbach: I don't care much about the cross compilers; if 4.x doesn't work, the fallback to 3.4 should be ok10:53
dholbachdoko: ok - thanks10:53
\shguys, where is this script to change debian/control to mention ubuntu maintainer fields...10:54
dholbach\sh: if you find it, please add it to MOTU/FAQ :)10:54
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StevenK\sh: Commonly called "emacs" :-P10:55
\shdholbach: hehe ;)10:55
\shStevenK: well, yes, but someone wrote a small script...so this script i need to find :)10:55
StevenK\sh: I'd find it useful too. I keep doing it by hand.10:55
dholbach.xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#ubuntu-motu.log:Mr 23 16:10:32 geser       jdong: use Lutin's script for the maintainer change (http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/code/build_scripts/update-maintainer), so you don't need to remember10:55
\shStevenK: and it's called "vi" ;)10:56
\shdholbach: you rock :)10:56
dholbach\sh: grep -i maintainer .xchat2/xchatlogs/*motu* | grep -i script | grep http10:56
dholbachno magic :)10:56
StevenKOuch, that script is evil.10:57
\shdholbach: when you have the logfiles at hand10:57
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\shStevenK: I think we have to tweak this script to be correct ;)10:58
StevenKBut it's 2 pages of shell!10:58
StevenKI could write one in 5 lines of Python.10:58
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\shhehe...this one is funny10:59
\shmail=$(grep -E "^Maintainer" debian/control | sed -r 's/.*<(.*)>/\1/')10:59
\shcase $mail in10:59
\sh    "adconrad@0c3.net")     email="Adam Conrad <adconrad@ubuntu.com>"       ;;10:59
\sh    "mpitt@debian.org")     email="Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@ubuntu.com>"    ;;10:59
\shwenn adam/pitti is package maintainer, rewrite his address with the ubuntu one lol nice one, really :)11:00
FujitsuThat looks like it was lifted out of pkgbinarymangler.11:01
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\shoh...sabine quit her position at denic...damn...Internet is changing in germany11:03
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zakamehi \sh!11:10
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\shhey zakame11:21
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welshbytemorning all11:35
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surakHello MOTUs!11:59
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imbrandonmoins all12:55
welshbytegood morning12:55
FujitsuHi imbrandon.12:56
imbrandonhe Fujitsu , looks like i might be beefing up aurora today unexpectedly12:56
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FujitsuWhat's being done to it, imbrandon?12:56
dholbachok, unmetdeps bugs are now filed and will be tagged as unmetdeps in a bit12:57
Lutinhi there12:57
StevenKFujitsu: imbrandon is putting some roast beef in an expansion solt.12:57
StevenKslot, even12:57
imbrandonwell in the intrem of me and ajmitch working on it it only had one hdd in it ( well 4 in it, only one mounted ) and it threw it last night12:57
FujitsuStevenK: Sounds plausible.12:57
imbrandonsooo its stitting off in the DC untill i drive up there this morning12:57
imbrandonbut i figure while i'm there i have ram to add12:58
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Fujitsuimbrandon: I've got a patch for the LP account importer to check that the username has only sane characters.01:01
imbrandonFujitsu, rockin, i have it on intrepid and sparky running at 5am every day01:02
imbrandondid you allow "."01:02
imbrandonbecause useradd normaly dosent but i forced it too since some LP names had it01:03
imbrandonyou gonna be on for 2 more hours Fujitsu ?01:04
Fujitsuimbrandon: Should be, maybe 2.5.01:04
FujitsuDepending on how tired I am.01:04
imbrandonok, i'm gonna grab a shower and head to the DC ( about a 30-45 minute drive from here )01:05
imbrandoni should be ther ein less than 2 hours01:05
FujitsuSee you then :)01:05
imbrandonand i';ll add the update to the script01:05
Fujitsuimbrandon: The new one is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12131/01:06
imbrandonhrm there is no way to software raid a drive and lvm it huh ?01:06
imbrandons/drive/drive set/01:06
FujitsuI don't see why you couldn't...01:07
Fujitsu(I've never used Linux software RAID)01:07
StevenKimbrandon: Sure there is01:07
StevenKimbrandon: Create the RAID array, pvcreate /dev/md?, and away you go01:08
imbrandonwill d-i let you do it? because i have a feeling i'm going to be replaceing that 250 with 2x16001:08
FujitsuJust configure the RAID, and use the volumes on it as LVM PVs... Should be fine.01:08
Fujitsuimbrandon: It should do.01:08
StevenKimbrandon: Yup01:08
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imbrandon /boot and swap on non raid though right ?01:08
FujitsuThere's little point having swap on a mirror.01:09
StevenKimbrandon: I'd have a sda1 as a 100M /boot, sda2 as RAID, and sda3 as 1G swap. Same for sdb01:10
StevenKHrm. I think this machine has finally detected the SATA drive.01:10
imbrandonok back in a bit01:12
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DarkSun88Any main sponsor here?01:43
DarkSun88crimsun: Hi :)01:44
DarkSun88crimsun: Can you so kind to check this sync? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpaint/+bug/9594401:44
ubotuMalone bug 95944 in gpaint "Please sync gpaint 0.3.0pre5-4 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  01:44
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crimsunDarkSun88: the debian/changelog entry for -3 is missing in the description.01:45
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DarkSun88crimsun: Tra to check now: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpaint/+bug/9594402:21
ubotuMalone bug 95944 in gpaint "Please sync gpaint 0.3.0pre5-4 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  02:21
DarkSun88crimsun: The version of the package is -4 and not -302:21
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FujitsuHi imbrandon.02:38
ajmitchhi imbrandon 02:38
imbrandonheya ajmitch 02:39
highvoltagehey urbrandon02:39
ajmitchfixed up aurora?02:39
imbrandonajmitch, i'm at the office about to hook a head on aurora02:39
imbrandonnope just walked in02:39
imbrandoni think the 250 bit the dist02:43
DarkSun88Any main sponsor here?02:47
DarkSun88Could you so kind to check this bug? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpaint/+bug/9594402:48
ubotuMalone bug 95944 in gpaint "Please sync gpaint 0.3.0pre5-4 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  02:48
DarkSun88It's sync02:48
\shDarkSun88: I think that's more #ubuntu-devel :)02:48
DarkSun88\sh: Thank you for information.02:48
\shDarkSun88: and without a freeze exception from <god of release maintainer> there are no syncs in main02:48
Fujitsu\sh: Why not?02:50
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cypher1i cannot seem to find a package that delivers qtmake02:54
cypher1am i missing something ?02:55
Hobbseecypher1: qmake, you mean?02:55
cypher1Hobbsee, yes qmake, sorry02:56
cypher1let me search again02:56
cypher1Hobbsee, got it thanks! :)02:56
\shFujitsu: new upstream versions == freeze exception...and other syncs == archive maintainer, that's what I meant02:57
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Fujitsu\sh: Syncs are under the same restrictions as normal uploads, surely?02:58
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imbrandonwoot i'm the man03:45
imbrandonajmitch, Fujitsu : aurora is fixed and will be back up in moments03:45
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bddebianHeya gang04:00
imbrandonheya bddebian 04:00
bddebianHi imbrandon04:00
welshbyteello bddebian 04:01
bddebianHeya welshbyte04:01
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Monk-ehttps://launchpad.net/beryl/ at the right it says "Doesn't use Malone" under Product Status, is this information outdated?04:16
HobbseeMonk-e: no, it's correct.  you're looking in the wrong place, i suspect04:17
lupine_85not particularly, we use trac ;)04:17
Monk-eBut people can report bugs to beryl packages in ubuntu can't they?04:17
lupine_85well, they can04:18
sharmsit makes no sense to file ubuntu bugs under an external tracker04:18
sharmsif every project did that things would be a huge mess04:18
pochuMonk-e: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beryl/+bugs04:19
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pochuerr, sorry04:19
lupine_85well, I fail at launchpad ;)04:19
pochuMonk-e: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beryl-core/+bugs04:19
lupine_85and I like my metadata, etc04:19
Monk-epochu, I know, that's why I said it. ;)04:19
pochuMonk-e: oh, but this is the ubuntu beryl bugs, and the other is the upstream beryl product (which doesnt use malone)04:20
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lupine_85ah, the joy of useless backtraces...04:20
Monk-eOk, it is kind of confusing though.04:20
sharmslupine_85: can't retrace?04:21
Monk-eCould it be possibly cleared up? Saying that if there's a bug in upstream it should be reported to <berylsbugtracker>?04:22
Monk-eNever mind, I think I'm misinterpreting things anyway. :)04:24
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bddebianHmm, whatever happened to ESR I wonder? :-)04:30
bddebianHeya tritium04:32
tritiumhi bddebian :)04:33
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tritiumairport, even04:33
tritiumWell, we're boarding.  Take it easy, bddebian.04:34
bddebianLater man04:34
Hobbseebye tritium!04:34
bddebianHi nixternal04:35
nixternalhowdy bddebian 04:36
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lupine_85So, erm, how does one close a bug on LP?04:39
lupine_85specifically bug 9556504:39
ubotuMalone bug 95565 in beryl-core "Package "emerald" not available" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9556504:39
lupine_85ah, got it04:40
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lupine_85most of the SIGSEGVs are a bug to do with x.org, IIRC04:42
lupine_85(the ones in eventLoop)04:42
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lupine_85bug 9576304:48
ubotuMalone bug 95763 in beryl-core "Returning to kwin from beryl squares the number of desktops." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9576304:48
lupine_85that's a bug in kicker, not beryl :p04:48
Hobbseelupine_85: then fix the kicker to work with beryl :)04:50
lupine_85haha, nice one04:50
lupine_85it probably just needs to update it's viewport count when the workspace count changes04:50
lupine_85oh, and it draws viewport preview for the current viewport on the space for viewport 1 :/04:53
Hobbseelupine_85: want to see some crack?04:54
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Hobbseehttp://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/snapshot6.png and http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/snapshot7.png04:54
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Hobbseelupine_85: bddebian ^04:57
Hobbseewell, more something trippy and weird :P04:57
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lupine_85has someone been playing with beryl-desktop-manager?04:58
Hobbseelupine_85: yeah04:58
lupine_85thought so :p04:58
Hobbseetrippy thing.04:58
lupine_85go on, report a bug for me to reject, I darrrrrrrre you :D04:59
Hobbseestill heaps of bugs yet04:59
bddebianaaaahhh my eyes04:59
lupine_85nah, it's caused because there's no longer anything managing that background (for whatever reason)04:59
lupine_85restarting kdesktop should fix it04:59
Hobbseelupine_85: that you cant ctrl+c beryl from a terminal - it stops all keyboard input, until you restart X.04:59
Hobbseeyeah, thoguht it might.04:59
Hobbseethink that was with a crackful option on04:59
bddebianAnd why is this crap such an "important" package?04:59
lupine_85bddebian: no apparent reason05:00
Hobbseebut i could reproduce the solitare effect all the time05:00
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Hobbseebddebian: because its' bling!!!05:00
lupine_85except for being part of the fix for bug 105:00
ubotuMalone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105:00
Hobbseebddebian: dont you want wobbly windows??05:00
bddebianlupine_85: Sorry, I don't exactly see that as the "windows killer" app05:00
lupine_85Hobbsee: I've played with bdm somewhat, too... did you enable the "desktop manager supports viewports" option in beryl-settings?05:00
lupine_85bddebian: you might not, but a lot of windows users think differently05:01
bddebianI AM a Windows user05:01
welshbytei like the looking out of your cube over the sea effect, nice touch05:01
lupine_85it's a bit sad how much some people depend on eyecandy05:01
Hobbseelupine_85: i had, but the solitare happens with both it on and off05:01
shawarmaHobbsee: How do you make those screenshots?05:01
bddebianI live and breed Windows for my "job"05:01
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Hobbseeshawarma: ksnapshot05:01
lupine_85poor bddebian :D05:01
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bddebianErer that should have been "live and breath" sheesh05:01
lupine_85mm, ksnapshot++05:01
shawarmaHobbsee: Is that different from Imagemagick's import?05:01
shawarmaHobbsee: When I use that, I don't see any of the fancy effects.05:02
lupine_85especially with the delayed snapshots05:02
shawarmaHobbsee: I don't even have my window border.05:02
Hobbseeshawarma: with beryl enabled05:02
Hobbseelupine_85: indeed!05:02
shawarmaHobbsee: And frankly I don't expect to, so I'm just curious why it works for you.05:02
bddebianlupine_85: And I'm not trying to dis your work, I just don't get the appeal I guess :-(05:02
lupine_85well, bdm needs a helluva lot of work anyway :)05:02
lupine_85bddebian: no worries :)05:02
bddebianI'd rather seem some nice games for GNU/Linux ;-)05:02
bddebianGoddamn I can't type today05:02
Hobbseeshawarma: it's just with ksnapshot, with kde, aquamarine, and beryl running05:03
ubotuwesnoth: fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1.8-1 (edgy), package size 1820 kB, installed size 4140 kB05:03
bddebianWesnoth blows compared to Oblivion or NeverWinterNights05:03
lupine_85NWN runs in linux05:03
bddebianNWN does but I don't think theres an NWN2 client is there?05:03
shawarmaHobbsee: Are you using xserver-xgl?05:03
lupine_85not yet, maybe at some point05:04
Hobbseeshawarma: no.  intel 96505:04
Hobbseeso, aiglx05:04
lupine_85but I'd imagine it'll work with the magic of cedega05:04
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shawarmaHobbsee: Does it work with import?05:04
lupine_85and FFXII comes before NWN2 :D05:04
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bddebianpfft :)05:04
Hobbseeshawarma: *shrug* - it's just like gnome-snapshot, i believe05:04
Hobbseeit's not digikam or anything05:04
lupine_85NWN << baldurs gate05:05
shawarmaHobbsee: Weird. And you've done nothing special to make it work?05:05
Hobbseeshawarma: not really.  only running the correct programs, in sequence (beryl, then emerald or aquamarine)05:05
Hobbseeoh, and telling teh cube to be transparent05:05
shawarmaHobbsee: Hm.m.. gnome-screenshot works.05:06
bddebianlupine_85: You are obviously on crack :-)05:06
shawarmaHobbsee: But Imagemagick's import doesn't. 05:06
Hobbseedunno about that, sorry05:06
bddebianAnd how about Star Wars: KotR I and II ? :-)05:06
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lupine_85urgh, star wars05:08
shawarmalupine_85: Maybe you have some interesting input on that.. Why does gnome-screenshot capture the effects of Beryl, but Imagemagick's import doesn't?05:08
lupine_85erm, no idea :s05:08
Hobbseelupine_85: i'm wondering why the kpager viewports boxes are so big, too05:08
bddebianCall of Duty I and II? :-)05:08
lupine_85kpager is just b0ken in general with viewports05:08
lupine_85bddebian: Xbox? PS2? 05:09
Hobbseelupine_85: ahh.  fix it :)05:09
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lupine_85heh, people complaining about missing beryl-xgl05:09
lupine_85I must to work; after that, I'll look at bugs 95763 and 95706 in moar detail05:12
ubotuMalone bug 95763 in beryl-core "Returning to kwin from beryl squares the number of desktops." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9576305:12
ubotuMalone bug 95706 in beryl-core "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGFPE in detectRefreshRateOfScreen()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9570605:12
lupine_85since they shouldn't be too hard to fix :p05:13
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sacaterHI GUYS!05:17
bddebianHello sacater05:17
pochuheya sacater05:18
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sacaterwhite or dark chocolate chip?05:19
sacaterHobbsee: what is this stick i hear you have :|05:20
welshbyteare we allowed to redistribute these cookies? maybe if we supply the recipe with them?05:20
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elkbuntuooohhh.. cookies?05:20
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bddebianwelshbyte: No, they are non-free damnit! :-)05:20
Hobbseesacater: the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 05:20
sacaterbddebian: they are FREE05:20
sacaterHobbsee: STICK!05:20
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elkbuntubddebian, well it's not like anyone is going to want to poke through it after you've made alterations to the cookie05:21
sacaterwelshbyte: do you have on DVD, i only have a crummy version i taped on the TV05:22
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bddebianelkbuntu: hehe05:22
welshbytesacater: i think my housemate does, but i've seen it so many times it's imprinted on my brain05:23
sacaterwelshbyte: dont suppose you could copy and mail to me :D05:23
welshbyteno, that'd be illegal :P05:23
sacaterwelshbyte: :(05:23
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sacaterwhat about if you hide the disc in a very large cookie :D05:24
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welshbytewould you say that bug 96346 is a duplicate of bug 80316 ?06:06
ubotuMalone bug 96346 in emerald-themes "[UNMETDEPS]  emerald-themes has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9634606:06
ubotuMalone bug 80316 in emerald-themes "emerald-themes 0.1.2-0ubuntu1 has an unmet deps on Feisty" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8031606:07
dholbachwelshbyte: looks like it06:08
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sacaterwelshbyte: yep, duplicate06:09
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dholbachmaybe the next iteration of the massfile script will have something like dup checking :)06:10
Lutineven looks like there's no unmetdep06:10
Lutinat least, installs fine here06:10
dholbachcoult be that it was fixed over the WE06:10
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geserdholbach: could the massfile script be improved that it also mails which unmet dep it was and on which arch?06:15
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dholbachgeser: I don'T have information over all archs in my apt-cache06:16
geserit's a little hard to discover in some months if this unmet dep is still the case or if was fixed in between06:16
geserthe arch you are running it would be enough06:16
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imbrandondholbach, i can also run the script on other arches ( or you can for that matter ) in chroots in the community buildd's06:17
imbrandonbut that might make a bunch of dupes06:17
dholbachwe need to fix the dup bit yet :)06:17
dholbachbughelper could help with that06:17
bersacesiretart: Hi, did you revu babl ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4722 ) and gegl ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4719 ) ?06:19
Lutinsomeone around using feisty on amd64 ?06:20
geseryes, me06:21
Lutingeser: could you try to install thuban, modify /usr/bin/thuban to make it run with python2.4 and try to run it, to see if it launches ?06:22
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geserLutin: after changing thuban to use python2.4 it starts06:34
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jetsaredimcan someone help me with a problem with feisty and nvidia-glx??06:37
Lutingeser: ok, cool. thanks :)06:37
welshbytejetsaredim: this isn't a support channel, you might want to try #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1 or file a bug on launchpad06:38
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jdongjust a quick question; what happened to beryl-xgl in Ubuntu packaging of beryl?07:04
jdongXGL people actually do need it :(07:04
jdongstandard beryl glitches badly on xgl.07:04
ivokson ati?07:04
jdongwell, /usr/bin/beryl-xgl is not in Ubuntu beryl packaging...07:05
jdongprobably removed for some reason?07:05
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imbrandonyes it was removed because ity contained mesa crap07:06
imbrandonuntill they can build it without the inline mesa ( post feisty ) it wont be in the archive07:07
jdongI see.07:07
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welshbytecould be07:09
ivoks  * Renamed package libmysqlclient15 to libmysqlclient15off due to07:10
ivoks    binary incompatible changes.07:10
ivoksSee /usr/share/doc/libmysqlclient15off/README.Debian07:10
welshbyteivoks: cheers :)07:11
ivoksbasicly, it is official :D07:11
sacateranyone seen sabdfl?07:11
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imbrandonsacater, sure but he is not in here atm07:12
imbrandonlooks like -devel and launchpad atm07:12
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imbrandongeser, updated the url on ubuntuwire with a tad bit more info, i'll prettyfy it today with the exact instructions 07:24
imbrandonjust fyi07:24
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maxamillioni would like to inquire about what all obligations would come with being a MOTU in terms of amount of time spent, number of meetings to attend, number of packages to take responsibility for, etc. .... is there a link i should be referencing or am i in the right place?08:35
pochumaxamillion: you can start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU#head-ec7a97d5af67e96747b4f36993232ff434f4486c08:38
welshbytemaxamillion: i'm not a motu myself but i like to help out whenever i have time, there's plenty to do and you can just jump right in really08:38
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pochuhey sacater!08:40
maxamillionwelshbyte: how do you contribue?08:40
pochuneither am I :)08:40
sacaterwelshbyte: im not MOTU either (I am under slow training though)08:40
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sacaterMOTU would be nice08:40
sacaterbut i dont have the time atm08:40
DktrKranzmaxamillion, you can pick a task from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO08:41
sacaterschool work08:41
sacaterthat shiz08:41
maxamillionDktrKranz: thanks, i just noticed that link08:41
welshbytemaxamillion: have a look at the links people have pasted, there's loads of information on the wiki :)08:42
maxamillioni noticed there isn't a Xubuntu MOTU team ... why is that?08:42
DktrKranzthere are some easy task which can introduce you08:42
maxamillionwelshbyte: yeah, i'm just starting to read over it now :)08:42
DktrKranztake a look at them08:42
maxamillionDktrKranz: will do, thank you08:42
DktrKranzcheck from resolved issues08:42
DktrKranzand try yourself!08:42
welshbytemaxamillion: MOTU takes care of all the packages in universe/multiverse... which includes packages available in kubuntu and xubuntu too08:43
DktrKranzhere you will find some great guys who will help you08:43
maxamillionwelshbyte: right, but on the wiki page there is a listing of a Kubuntu MOTU team but not one for Xubuntu ... there is a XFCE one which I would assume is what Jani handles08:44
maxamillionwelshbyte: reason i ask is because i am a xubuntu contributor08:44
welshbytemaxamillion: well there's an XFCE group listed, I guess that's the relevant one08:45
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maxamillionwelshbyte: yeah08:46
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superm1it appears that seahorse automatically pulls up a keyring dialog for some apps, but not debuild -S.  is there some magic necessary for it?08:47
DktrKranzsuperm1, are you sure?08:47
maxamillionwell thanks to all, i have some reading to get done around the wiki and i'm sure i will be back08:48
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DktrKranzi use it, no seahorse but i'm able to sign packages08:48
superm11024-bit DSA key, ID 80DF6D58, created 2006-10-1308:48
superm1gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use08:48
superm1debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....08:48
superm1debuild: fatal error at line 1155:08:48
superm1running debsign failed08:48
superm1but with falcon it works fine08:48
DktrKranzanyway, i looked at BTS08:48
DktrKranzand there's a workaround08:48
DktrKranzwait just a second...08:48
superm1sigining works fine without seahorse08:48
superm1eg if kill the agent08:48
geserafaik that's a known problem08:49
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superm1geser, is there a workaround to disable it for debuild then, and still allow it in other apps?08:49
DktrKranzsuperm1, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=32220808:50
ubotuDebian bug 322208 in seahorse "seahorse-agent: fails to be accessed from debuild" [Important,Open]  08:50
superm1DktrKranz, thanks08:50
DktrKranzit is told to set an evironment variable08:50
DktrKranzbut it can lead to some troubles...08:51
DktrKranzso, be careful08:51
gesersuperm1: I don't know, I don't use seahorse but it works with gnupg-agent08:51
DktrKranzin such bug developers suggest to fix seahorse08:51
DktrKranzi didn't check it in feisty08:52
superm1DktrKranz, it appears that DEBUILD_PRESERVE_ENVVARS does work to fix it08:54
superm1i just tried08:54
DktrKranzyep, i tried some times ago08:54
DktrKranzbut i'm worried about potential breakages08:54
DktrKranzso i disabled it and i'm using command line :)08:55
superm1well is there much breakage that can be expected from having a DISPLAY variable set though in a build env08:55
DktrKranzdebsign is a friend of mine :)08:55
DktrKranzanyway, let's see if we can do something with seahorse08:56
DktrKranzi think the issue can be solved only there08:56
geserI usually use -uc -us when building a source package and only sign it before uploading08:56
DktrKranzso, you will be using debsign later on08:58
DktrKranzanyway is's somewhat curious08:59
DktrKranzdebsign works perfectly08:59
DktrKranzsuperm1, see also bug #7816509:01
ubotuMalone bug 78165 in devscripts "debuild fails to use seahorse-agent" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7816509:01
geseryes, I use debsign later. It has the advantage that I don't upload broken packages on mistake.09:01
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DktrKranzwell, didn't think about it :)09:02
DktrKranzanyway, it's not a problem for me ;)09:02
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superm1geser, i think i like your method of signing before upload only too09:04
superm1geser, it is indeed cleaner then doing it this way with preserving DISPLAY09:04
superm1DktrKranz, thanks for the bug09:04
DktrKranzyou're welcome09:04
superm1i'll subscribe to it and watch for more09:04
DktrKranzhope it'll be fixed soon09:05
DktrKranzi was working at bug #9374109:09
ubotuMalone bug 93741 in mtop "[can-not-install]  maintainer script failure" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9374109:09
DktrKranzthere are similar bugs09:09
DktrKranzi found a patch along the way09:09
DktrKranzwhich could solve them09:09
DktrKranzcould you please double-check it?09:09
DktrKranzsuperm1, oh it was *your* patch :)09:11
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superm1DktrKranz,  :)09:17
DktrKranznice work!09:17
DktrKranzi modified it just a little bit09:17
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superm1glad it worked for you09:18
DktrKranzbut it worked perfectly09:18
DktrKranzi added a function in order to work09:18
DktrKranzbut your idea is good09:18
superm1from what i remember, firefox poking up a notification about needing to be restarted turned on the lightbulb in my mind09:19
DktrKranzthat's it09:19
DktrKranzit took me a little bit to complete09:20
DktrKranzi didn't figure to use a function09:21
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Adri2000superm1: how can you use you @ubuntu address as preferred address in LP? I thought that the preferred address was used to redirect the emails from the @ubuntu one09:30
superm1which you would think makes an infinite loop pointing to my gmail one, but it works somehow :)09:30
DktrKranzAdri2000, i thought so, but it worked :)09:30
superm1probably when you "become" an ubuntu member, they take your primary at the time09:31
superm1but dont update after that09:31
lionelI read once it was updated by a cron weekly or something like that09:31
lionelso the loop can take some time to occur...09:32
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superm1lionel, i've had mine like that since two weeks after i became an ubuntu member09:33
pochuhasn't happened here using it for a month09:33
superm1lionel, so maybe i'm just lucky :)09:33
superm1lionel, that was last year in september09:33
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lioneloh, good news so :)09:33
DktrKranzyes, me too, it worked quite soon09:34
imbrandonugh wtf09:35
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superm1imbrandon, what happened?09:38
imbrandonjust my damn wireless crap, no biggie09:39
imbrandonfixing now09:39
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so1does someone know if firefox will be shipped with feisty?09:54
pochuso1: we already have in feisty09:54
pochuhmm, it's being built09:54
so1weird, I only see
pochuMozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/20061201 Firefox/ (Ubuntu-feisty)09:55
pochuso1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox <--- already published09:56
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so1someone know if kile is fixed?10:09
so1failed to build on all platforms on feisty ...10:09
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bmmI'm new to packaging and have a problem: the install Makefile does everything right, and copies into $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin a binary. If I put an exit 1 there, it will be all there. However, later on in the package build, these files are removed again. What could be going wrong here?10:18
bmm(The only files remeaning are the manuals, the /usr/bin and /usr/lib are removed from the $(DESTDIR)10:19
bmm(my debian/dirs file has been removed, because I read in the manual it isn't needed if the Makefile already creates these directories)10:20
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bmmwhat could be removing files after the upstream install script has put them in the DESTDIR?10:32
Hobbseewhich files?10:33
bmmHobbsee: files placed in the debian/iolanguage/usr/bin/ directory10:33
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bmmIt's not dh_clean, I checked that already.10:33
Hobbseenot sure - i think we' d have to see the source10:34
bmmWell, the first part of the "broken" package is now in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=458510:34
bmmDo you want the full source, or should I paste-bin a few parts of the files?10:35
Hobbseeum, i'm in a meeting, and really tired10:36
Hobbseenot sure i'm able to help you, sorry :(10:36
bmmNP, I understand10:36
bmmGood luck10:36
bmmAh, dh_clean removes them10:41
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bmmfound the problem, thought it wasn't dh_clean but it turned out to be in a later state of the rules....10:41
bmmStill not sure how to resolve it, but I'm still working on it ;-)10:41
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bmmhehe, evening here, but good morning to you10:42
Hobbseehi ajmitch 10:42
ajmitchHobbsee: you're up early (or late)10:43
Hobbseeajmitch: early, yes10:43
ajmitchthat's unnatural10:43
Hobbseei know10:43
Hobbseeparticularly as i went to work last night10:44
ajmitchwhy are you up so early then?10:44
ajmitchyou could spend an extra few minutes sleeping rather than on irc10:44
Hobbseeajmitch: adhoc meeting for UDS10:45
ajmitchoh interesting10:45
ajmitchkubuntu stuff?10:45
ajmitchwin 2710:45
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Hobbseeand travel, etc10:45
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geserno agenda yet for the next motu meeting?10:49
ajmitchno, I guess someone should write one10:49
ajmitchugh, it's tonight, isn't it10:50
geserMar 27rd, 8:00 UTC10:50
ajmitchyes, so 8pm for me10:51
ajmitchnot too late, I'm glad10:51
Adri200010am for me, will be at school :-(10:53
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pochuyou will love the school once you have to work :p10:55
sacaterpochu: but thats the beauty of not being at school, you dont have to LEARN anything10:55
pochusacater: you have, believe me10:56
sacaterid love ubuntu as a job10:56
TheMusoHey MOTUs.10:56
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pochuhi TheMuso!10:59
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pochuhi slomo11:00
pochuslomo: 1.2.9 up and running :)11:00
pochuand I've already found a bug :-)11:00
bmmOk, probably solved my whole "files dissapearing" problem. Was dh_clean in the end.11:00
slomopochu: oh?11:01
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welshbytehm, i think kile needs to be built with an older gcc, no idea how to do that11:28
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shawarmawelshbyte: "Older" as in gcc 3.4?11:30
bddebianwelshbyte: gcc=gcc-3.x or whatever11:30
bddebianerr CC=11:30
shawarmawelshbyte: Just set CC to gcc-3.4 in the makefile and add gcc-3.4 as a build-dep.11:30
bddebianOr fix it to make it work with 4.1 ;-P11:31
shawarmaEr.. kile is a KDE-thing?11:31
shawarmawelshbyte: Set CXX=g++-3.4 too11:31
welshbyteyeah, it's a latex editor thingy that's currently ftbfs for everything11:31
shawarmaOk. Then the g++ is probably sufficient.11:32
welshbytewhen you say "the makefile" do you mean debian/rules (which is using cdbs) or patch one of Makefile.{am,in} ? :/11:35
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sistpotyhi folks11:36
ajmitchhey sistpoty 11:36
sistpotyhi ajmitch11:36
sistpoty@everyone: reminder: motu-meeting tomorrow11:37
ajmitchs/tomorrow/tonight/ for me11:37
ajmitchgot anything interesting for the agenda?11:37
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sistpotytill now the agenda is empty :/11:38
ajmitchyeah, that's why I'm hoping you have something ;)11:38
ajmitchotherwise it'll be anice short meeting & I can sleep early11:38
sistpotyhm... I'd like to discuss the MC charter, but I was too lazy to update it with changes from last MC meeting until now :(11:38
ajmitchupdate it now11:39
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ajmitchthanks :)11:39
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enycbah! sru update with 3 'wrorksforme' -- got a procedure to complete......11:44
ajmitchbug 7800511:44
ubotuMalone bug 78005 in qpsmtpd "[SRU]  request: dapper:qpsmtpd fix for bug #72602" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7800511:44
enycthis is a problem as there are not many users of the package ;-)11:45
sistpotyenyc: 3 works for me is (with the new sru policy) even one more than needed ;)11:45
enyci coul d spend rathor a lot of time asking people to test for me... etc... similar SRU in same state for edgy already..11:45
enycsistpoty: oh? whats the new policy?11:46
enycsistpoty: I think that an exact set value may not work for all cases11:46
enycsistpoty: like this one... simple fix to little used but annoying-bug problem...11:46
enycsistpoty: im sure with some more complex fixes some real testing-exposure is really rather important...11:47
sistpotyenyc: it's basically any motu can just upload to -proposed, and until a package can go to -updates it needs 2 works for me and needs to have been longer than 7 days in -proposed11:47
sistpoty(this also means no more motu-sru team, and less work for me :)11:47
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enycsistpoty: whats the dangers of this change?11:48
sistpotyenyc: the danger (as always) is that we could get broken updates... however the old policy resulted in almost all updates being stuck in -proposed, so I guess some risk for a broken update is better than no update at all11:49
enycsistpoty: i see11:50
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lupine_85woot, and stuff11:50
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Monk-esistpoty, are you still accepting members for the Games team?11:56
sistpotyMonk-e: did you write that mail to the motu-ml?11:56
Monk-esistpoty, yes.11:56
sistpotyMonk-e: sorry that I didn't respond yet :(11:56
Monk-eIt's ok. :)11:57
sistpotyMonk-e: currently the motu games team is pretty much dead, and all members that were active are doing their packaging in the debian-games team now11:57
Monk-eI see.. how come?11:57
sistpotywell, /me was busy with other things, and thus had no more time for motu-games11:58
enycsistpoty: anyway 78005 77485 con now be poked under the new policy ??11:58
sistpotyenyc: all motu sru-bugs fall under the new policy now ;)11:58
Monk-eAh ok. Too bad...11:58
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enycsistpoty: right... so do these need poking.. or will they all now be seen to ?11:58
bmmShould the changelog contain "feisty; ugency=low" or "unstable; urgency=low" when creating a new package for revu?11:59
sistpotyMonk-e: so basically, I won't say no to accepting you into motu-games, but it's just that it's not an active team atm :(11:59
sistpotyMonk-e: maybe you'd like to reactivate it though?11:59
sistpotybmm: feisty please11:59
=== enyc [waits] ..... ;-)
=== sistpoty looks and types faster :P
Monk-esistpoty, sure. But not for a while as I'm going to be quite busy myself the next few months.12:00
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=== enyc types aoeuidhtns-stple on asdfghjkl letters often these days! seem to be fast ;-)
sistpotyenyc: please subscribe ubuntu-universe sponsors or ping some motus here to upload these ;)12:01
bmmsistpoty: thanks!12:01
enycsistpoty: im trying to work out who is subscribed at the moment!12:03
Monk-esistpoty, but thanks. Can I then contact you about it when I have more free time?12:03
sistpotyMonk-e: sure, either me or siretart12:03
Monk-eAlright, thanks!12:03
sistpotyyou're welcome12:03
sistpotyenyc: left side of the bug page, 3rd portlet from the top... 12:04
enycsistpoty: what does it say?12:09
sistpotyenyc: bug #77485 is: subsribers are Kai, motu-sru, ScottK, you. And indirectly (I guess via bug contact) ubuntu bugs is subscribed12:10
ubotuMalone bug 77485 in qpsmtpd "[SRU]  request: edgy:qpsmtpd fix for bug #72602" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7748512:10

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