[12:21] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[12:21] <LaserJock> hi TheMuso 
[12:22] <ajmitch> morning
[12:23] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch ;-)
[12:23] <LaserJock> authtool done?
[12:23] <ajmitch> hah
[12:23] <ajmitch> I was hacking on it last night :)
[12:23] <danohuiginn> if I've subscribed the wrong team to a bug, can I unsubscribe them?
[12:23] <ajmitch> there's a *long* way before it'll be 'done'
[12:24] <LaserJock> danohuiginn: I know you can at least if you belong to the team
[12:24] <danohuiginn> LaserJock: no, I don't. Subscribed archive admins to a bug, rather than sending it through universe sponsors
[12:25] <ajmitch> I wonder what sort of things people asked
[12:25] <LaserJock> danohuiginn: and if you go to the subscribe page it doesn't have an option?
[12:26] <danohuiginn> LaserJock: no, only to subscribe someone else as well
[12:32] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Hey I like your blog post.
[12:32] <ajmitch> TheMuso: the bddebian interview?
[12:32] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Yep.
[12:32] <ajmitch> yeah that was great
[12:33] <LaserJock> well, I need to do it better
[12:33] <ajmitch> LaserJock: interview crimsun!
[12:33] <LaserJock> I will
[12:33] <LaserJock> and you too
[12:33] <ajmitch> nah I'm not important
[12:33] <LaserJock> if I do 1 a week I can get 53 MOTU people interviewed in a year
[12:33] <LaserJock> 52 rather
[12:34] <ajmitch> then we'll have to keep adding more so that you have no need to interview me :)
[12:35] <LaserJock> all of the MOTU Council will have to be interviewed
[12:35] <LaserJock> ;-)
[12:36] <LaserJock> lol
[12:37] <Seveas> LaserJock, "A MOTU a day, keeps the ajmitch away :p"
[12:37] <ajmitch> exactly!
[12:38] <LaserJock> lol
[12:40] <ajmitch> reminds me, where's sistpoty?
[12:41] <LaserJock> Seveas: ubotu back up and running now?
[12:41] <ajmitch> sure, check -bugs
[12:42] <ajmitch> hm
[12:42] <ajmitch> bug 96002
[12:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 96002 in gnome-volume-manager "Gnome Volume Manager don't work and the sound is very loud" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96002
[12:42] <ajmitch> volume is a nicely overused word
[12:47] <bddebian> heh
[12:48] <bddebian> LaserJock: ajmitch should have been your first man!
[12:48] <ajmitch> nah I would have taken 6 months to reply :)
[12:59] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, he's on my list too
[01:03] <LaserJock> lol
[01:03] <LaserJock> shesh
[01:03] <bddebian> I look like the freakin' idiot that I am :'-(
[01:03] <LaserJock> I went to all that work and you guys are so negative ;-)
[01:03] <TheMuso> bddebian: Don't be so damn hard on yourself.
[01:03] <TheMuso> LaserJock: They have no reason to be./
[01:03] <LaserJock> last time I do anything nice for you guys
[01:04] <ajmitch> aw
[01:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: the bddebian interview was great!
[01:05] <ajmitch> I'm not negative about the work you've done
[01:05] <LaserJock> I think he did great
[01:05] <ajmitch> just about interviewing me :)
[01:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: I very much appreciate the sentiment, I'm just not exactly a great example :-)
[01:05] <LaserJock> his stuff on the community and his advice was perfect
[01:05] <LaserJock> you are a perfect example Barry
[01:05] <LaserJock> you've been here through everything
[01:05] <LaserJock> you've had to step out for a while
[01:05] <LaserJock> you've come back
[01:06] <LaserJock> you've been yelled at by core-devs and still stuck through it :-)
[01:06] <geser> bddebian: if you can be a MOTU than everyone can
[01:07] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're a better example than I am
[01:08] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:08] <bddebian> geser: Hrm, I'm not quite sure how I should take that? :-)
[01:08] <Nafallo> I think I might have uploaded gajim a while ago :-P
[01:08] <LaserJock> the point is
[01:08] <LaserJock> Behind Ubuntu isn't about showing off the superstars so much
[01:09] <LaserJock> it's about giving people a view of the real MOTU
[01:09] <LaserJock> that we're just real people like everybody else
[01:09] <Nafallo> should have been Behind He-Man then ;-)
[01:09] <LaserJock> heh
[01:10] <LaserJock> so I'm going to interview new MOTUs
[01:10] <LaserJock> probably even Hopefuls
[01:10] <geser> ajmitch: there is your solution: become a MOTU superstar to avoid an interview :)
[01:10] <ajmitch> geser: darn, that means having to do work
[01:10] <LaserJock> well, you know the real way to get out of it
[01:10] <Nafallo> LaserJock: sounds good. then you won't interview me or ajmitch :-)
[01:10] <LaserJock> if *you* had come up with it
[01:11] <LaserJock> I don't have to get interviewed because I'm running it ;-)
[01:11] <Nafallo> haha
[01:11] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I think we can solve that one easily enough.
[01:11] <LaserJock> no way
[01:11] <TheMuso> You're not getting out of it that easily. Right guys?
[01:12] <LaserJock> ummm
[01:12] <Nafallo> ofcourse not :-)
[01:13] <ajmitch> TheMuso: I agree!
[01:14] <LaserJock> wow, we're up to 136 apps for SoC
[01:14] <bddebian> LaserJock: Actually now that you mention it, you should have started with yourself :-)
[01:14] <LaserJock> bddebian: that's silly :-)
[01:51] <Paddy_EIRE> could anyone help compiling an app called QFlash for ubuntu?
[01:52] <reitblatt> I can give it a try
[01:52] <Paddy_EIRE> well I extracted the file and did ./configure only for nothing to happen
[01:53] <reitblatt> Paddy_EIRE: let's move this to #ubuntu
[01:53] <Paddy_EIRE> ok
[02:01] <ajmitch> tsmithe: you should try & make it clear that you're trying to raise funds for something :)
[02:06] <reitblatt> can someone upload my patch for bug #84874 ?
[02:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 84874 in libopensync-plugin-google-calendar "missing helper" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84874
[02:11] <LaserJock> oh my, what a confusing blog post
[02:12] <ajmitch> which post?
[02:12] <ajmitch> reitblatt: I'd like to find out why it's mistakenly in main before touching it
[02:12] <LaserJock> ajmitch: tsmithe's
[02:13] <ajmitch> heh right
[02:13] <reitblatt> ajmitch: gotcha
[02:13] <LaserJock> I don't really get what he's saying
[02:15] <ajmitch> that there are 'mirrors' of the planet ubuntu content
[02:15] <ajmitch> and he doesn't like that
[02:16] <LaserJock> it does kinda stink that they just redo planet to get ad space
[02:16] <LaserJock> but it's kinda cool that they think it's worth it
[02:16] <ajmitch> there's more than one of them ripping off planet
[02:19] <welshbyte> i don't really mind my blog feed being used wherever... it's the chance you take by being open source ;)
[02:20] <welshbyte> as long as no one changes what i say to make it look like i said something different, that is
[02:23] <_MMA_> sigh
[02:23] <ajmitch> I agree
[02:31] <joejaxx> grrr
[02:31] <joejaxx> diff -Nurp is not working
[02:31] <ajmitch> fix it!
[02:32] <joejaxx> ajmitch: i just tried creating a patch
[02:32] <joejaxx> but the -u application flag for diff is not working
[02:32] <ajmitch> lies
[02:32] <ajmitch> all lies
[02:33] <joejaxx> lol
[02:38] <joejaxx> ajmitch: how does this look for bug 53001
[02:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 53001 in wordpress "examples-mysql not adapted to ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53001
[02:38] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org/bug53001.patch
[02:38] <ajmitch> ugh
[02:39] <ajmitch> don't drop virtual hosts into apache.conf :)
[02:39] <joejaxx> ajmitch: that was already there
[02:39] <ajmitch> use stuff like /etc/apache2/sites-available
[02:39] <ajmitch> well your patch has a lot of unnecessary changes then
[02:39] <ajmitch> including the whole debian changelog, etc
[02:39] <ajmitch> makes it hard ot see what you've changed
[02:40] <joejaxx> ajmitch: how do i make diff only look at changed files?
[02:40] <joejaxx> i thought it was diff -Nurp dir dir
[02:40] <ajmitch> aren't you using debdiff?
[02:40] <ajmitch> it's much easier
[02:40] <joejaxx> ok
[02:41] <ajmitch> debdiff oldversion.dsc newversion.dsc
[04:31] <joejaxx> ajmitch: http://fluxbuntu.org/bug53001.patch
[04:31] <joejaxx> used debdiff this time :)
[04:32] <joejaxx> debdiff makes it much cleaner
[04:38] <joejaxx> or anyone else?
[04:38] <joejaxx> i wanted to know if i did that correctly or not
[04:39] <joejaxx> :)
[04:39] <ajmitch> probably
[04:39] <Fujitsu> Apart from breaking the FHS, looks OK.
[04:39] <ajmitch> now that there's not so much cruft I can see that it's not as crazy as I thought
[04:39] <joejaxx> :)
[04:39] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: debian has a long history of that
[04:40] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: yeah i added a little summary to README.debian about that :P
[04:40] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Noted, but I still don't like it.
[04:40] <ajmitch> you don't need to like it
[04:40] <Fujitsu> Obviously.
[04:40] <joejaxx> so what happens next, upload it to the launchpad bug page?
[04:42] <joejaxx> as an attachment?
[04:55] <tritium> LaserJock: did you find out what's delaying the upload of l-r-m?
[04:59] <ajmitch> hey tritium 
[04:59] <tritium> hey there ajmitch 
[04:59] <ajmitch> probably that it's the weekend :)
[04:59] <tritium> yeah, could be :)
[05:01] <ajmitch> afaict it's just held up in binary NEW
[05:01] <ajmitch> one moment..
[05:01] <tritium> k, thx
[05:02] <ajmitch> i386?
[05:02] <tritium> yep
[05:02] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/313591
[05:02] <ajmitch> resulting binaries on that page
[05:03] <tritium> gracias :)
[05:04] <LaserJock> ajmitch: oh, that's smart. I should have thought of that
[05:06] <tritium> Thanks, ajmitch.  That's a big help
[05:06] <ajmitch> np
[06:22] <Fujitsu> Thanks Amaranth.
[06:22] <Amaranth> little late :)
[06:23] <Amaranth> was busy in -effects
[06:54] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee 
[06:54] <Fujitsu> Afternoon, Hobbsee.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock, Fujitsu 
[06:56] <RAOF> Hm.  Bug #95814 seems to have had apport-retrace run over it (the need-amd64-retrace tag has been removed), but the stacktrace is still all "?? in ()"
[06:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 95814 in banshee "[apport]  banshee.exe crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 67344)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95814
[06:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 67344 in banshee "Crash while importing / trying to play at the same time" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67344
[06:57] <Fujitsu> RAOF: Probably means that the debug symbols aren't around at the moment, or have been removed from the archive, or similar.
[06:57] <RAOF> Right, so it's not a misunderstanding on my part of how apport-retrace works?
[06:58] <Fujitsu> I don't believe so.
[06:58] <RAOF> Right.
[06:59] <RAOF> That's annoying :(
[07:00] <Fujitsu> The crashes need to be retraced before the symbols are removed from the repos, unfortunately.
[07:01] <RAOF> When are the symbols removed?
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Probably when the next version is uploaded.
[07:01] <RAOF> My crash logs are from the most recent banshee.
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[07:02] <RAOF> My laptop's apt-cache seems to think there's the appropriate banshee-dbgsym package available, too.
[07:09] <RAOF> Where would be the right place to file a bug about that?  /apport?  /malone?  Is it bugworthy?
[07:11] <superm1_> RAOF, u mean what i just menionted at :02, or something that was mentioned in between my disconnect?
[07:13] <RAOF> superm1_: I don't see anything you mentioned at :02.  I was refering to apport-retrace failing to create a useful stacktrace for banshee
[07:13] <superm1_> RAOF, oh then it looks like my message was lost before i got disconnected then
[07:13] <superm1_> i was asking racarr:, in the beryl packages that got into feisty, it appears that beryl-xgl is gone now (and hence beryl-manager is broke for xgl).  was this intentional?
[07:13] <RAOF> You are, however, welcome to comment on my question :)
[07:15] <superm1_> RAOF, are you meaning to point out a bug in apport-retrace then i take it?
[07:15] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:15] <RAOF> Well, somewhere in the Malone/need-amd64-retrace tag/apport-retrace nexus.
[07:15] <Amaranth> arg!
[07:15] <superm1_> i'd guess: https://launchpad.net/apport
[07:15] <Amaranth> some common package/app is doing evil things to users' home dir
[07:15] <superm1_> with the bugs under that
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Um, RAOF, now I look at that bug...
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Don't file a bug.
[07:16] <Amaranth> i've gotten like 10 bugs in last 3 days from people saying alacarte is broken because ~/.local is owned by root
[07:16] <Fujitsu> RAOF: The retrace isn't finished yet. You'll see two extra comments added when it's done
[07:16] <RAOF> That's... awkward.
[07:16] <Fujitsu> How?
[07:17] <Amaranth> RAOF: also, older coredumps won't give good retraces
[07:17] <RAOF> That was in reference to Amaranth's problem of something chowning .local
[07:17] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[07:17] <Amaranth> it's freaking annoying
[07:17] <RAOF> Amaranth: Yeah, but my coredump is nice and fresh.
[07:17] <RAOF> As of yesterday :)
[07:18] <Amaranth> iirc pitti said the retrace service had enough work to do to churn for the whole weekend
[07:18] <Fujitsu> It's taken the bug for processing, shouldn't be more than another few minutes.
[07:19] <Fujitsu> Actually.
[07:19] <Fujitsu> That's not the bug I thought it was...
[07:19] <Fujitsu> If it doesn't appear in a few minutes, it has probably choked on that retrace, and you should poke pitti about it.
[07:20] <Fujitsu> I see that the addition of the tag was 20 /hours/ ago, whereas I originally read minutes :-/
[07:21] <RAOF> :)
[07:21] <RAOF> Compiz bug for you Amaranth!  Someone else has found that the nvidia drivers suck :)
[07:22] <Amaranth> haha
[07:23] <RAOF> I'll reject it on the basis of evil nVidia, then :)
[07:24] <RAOF> That's ok, right Amaranth?
[07:25] <Amaranth> already done
[08:03] <Amaranth> pochu: Ah, so you're the other one doing compiz bug triage. :)
[08:03] <ajmitch> RAOF: btw, stuff like mono apps often won't get a useful stacktrace, because they're run in a JIT
[08:03] <pochu> Amaranth: mostly desktop-effects :)
[08:04] <pochu> Amaranth: though my knowledge is minimun :(
[08:04] <pochu> but I help in what I can :)
[08:04] <Amaranth> Well, I remember I was looking for you a week or so ago to tell you not to upstream every single bug report. :)
[08:04] <Amaranth> But that doesn't seem to be a problem now so...
[08:05] <pochu> hehe, ok :)
[08:05] <Amaranth> btw, does the launchpad beta spit out a page that your browser wants to download for anyone else?
[08:05] <Amaranth> like 25% of the time when i try to use it
[08:05] <Amaranth> i thought it might just be me
[08:05] <pochu> Amaranth: a bin file?
[08:05] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:06] <pochu> Amaranth: known bug (also in productive LP) :(
[08:06] <pochu> though they don't know how to fix it hehe
[08:06] <Amaranth> is it just when it's under high load?
[08:06] <Amaranth> because lp also goes extremely slowly when it does it to me
[08:06] <Amaranth> which is kind of funny
[08:06] <pochu> it's always slow to me ;)
[08:07] <Amaranth> when it's going slow because of high load it makes you fetch most things twice, not exactly helping the load problems
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: I get the same, the frequency changes too :(
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Really annoying.
[08:07] <Fujitsu> And it only started recently.
[08:07] <pochu> yeah, also the left bar doesn't work properly sometimes (need to refresh)
[08:08] <pochu> but we are beta testers, aren't we? :)
[08:08] <Amaranth> heh
[08:08] <crimsun> it's more funner on 56kbps dialup. No, really. It's ponies!
[08:08] <Fujitsu> pochu: That's like due to the Javascript not loading due to the same issue.
[08:08] <Fujitsu> crimsun: That sounds great!
[08:08] <pochu> Fujitsu: known bug?
[08:08] <Fujitsu> (you're on 56k now? I thought it was 28k...)
[08:08] <crimsun> it has always been 56kbps, but it's effectively 28.8
[08:08] <Amaranth> pochu: same bug
[08:08] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:09] <pochu> ah :)
[08:09] <Amaranth> crimsun: that's...painful
[08:09] <crimsun> Amaranth: builds character
[08:09] <Amaranth> well, better than what i'll likely have as of sometime today
[08:09] <Amaranth> no internet :/
[08:09] <pochu> where are u then? :)
[08:09] <Amaranth> unless these guys except half the money i owe today and the rest in 2 weeks
[08:09] <ajmitch> crimsun: you make a cup of coffee for every page load?
[08:10] <Fujitsu> My days of 28.8kbps are over as of about 6 months ago :)
[08:10] <crimsun> ajmitch: jog down the block, refill coffee, read the paper, ...
[08:10] <ajmitch> Amaranth: why so broke?
[08:10] <Amaranth> ajmitch: just starting a new job
[08:10] <ajmitch> ah
[08:10] <ajmitch> oh dear
[08:10] <Fujitsu> Oh dear, we're doomed.
[08:10] <Amaranth> that i'll only have for about a month if they don't let me go to spain :P
[08:11] <ajmitch> good luck with that
[08:11] <crimsun> LongPointyStick is enjoying the vestiges of beryl.
[08:11] <Amaranth> hell i'd be ready to smack something too ;)
[08:12] <joejaxx> lol
[08:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:12] <Hobbsee> was
[08:12] <Amaranth> which reminds me, it's sad to see all the problems people are having with compiz in ubuntu
[08:12] <Amaranth> i guess it just shows how fast this stuff is moving
[08:13] <ajmitch> hey Hobbsee 
[08:13] <Amaranth> because compiz from latest git is so much better in all the little things it fixes (and some big things)
[08:13] <ajmitch> Amaranth: so push to get it in
[08:13] <Hobbsee> hiya
[08:13] <Amaranth> seb128 tried getting a snapshop of the 0.4 head in
[08:13] <Amaranth> seems to have died
[08:13] <pochu> heya Hobbsee
[08:13] <Hobbsee> hiya pochu 
[08:14] <Amaranth> gandalfn is on a quest to backport half of git into the 0.3.6 package to work around UVF ;)
[08:14] <crimsun> that way madness lies.
[08:14] <Amaranth> i won't touch that package
[08:14] <crimsun> oh I remember the grey hairs with vlc and backporting round about, oh, say breezy
[08:15] <Amaranth> i've got this plugin to do edge resistance without wobbly but i just attached the plain .c file to the bug and left it for someone else to try to figure out
[08:15] <Amaranth> it's got like 20 patches
[08:15] <Amaranth> one reruns autoconf, another rebuilds the gconf schema...
[08:17] <pochu> heya Lure
[08:18] <pochu> desktop-effects cleaned up :) just 1 bug unconfirmed, which is bug 94906. anybody want to finish the work? :)
[08:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 94906 in desktop-effects "Unable to use due to special xorg.conf settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94906
[08:18] <Lure> hi pochu and motu!
[08:20] <Amaranth> pochu: dunno wtf they're talking about, since when did desktop-effects edit your xorg.conf?
[08:20] <ajmitch> restricted-manager does
[08:20] <Amaranth> hmm, maybe desktop-effects calls out to it
[08:21] <Amaranth> it does :/
[08:22] <pochu>  * Add 02_check_restricted_manager.patch: Call 'restricted-manager
[08:22] <pochu>     --check-composite', and if that succeeded (i. e. a composite driver was
[08:22] <pochu>     available and enabled), ask to restart the app after rebooting and exit.
[08:22] <Amaranth> pochu: reassign to restricted-manager and wishlist it
[08:22] <pochu> changelog from pitti
[08:22] <pochu> Amaranth: ok :)
[08:22] <pochu> thanks ;)
[08:23] <pochu> do you guys know what has happened to Ubugtu?
[08:23] <Amaranth> bug 1
[08:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[08:23] <ajmitch> it was killed off
[08:23] <Amaranth> they merged
[08:23] <pochu> have ubotu and ubugtu been merged?
[08:23] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:23] <pochu> :)
[08:24] <Amaranth> ubugtu was running some channel management stuff too, was kind of weird
[08:24] <pochu> then Seveas forgot to log ubotu in #ubuntu-iso :(
[08:27] <Amaranth> pochu: nice, desktop-effects has 3 important bugs, one typo bug, and a couple wishlist/low bugs :)
[08:27] <Amaranth> now get compiz down to that ;)
[08:27] <pochu> Amaranth: 104 bugs in compiz :-/
[08:27] <pochu> 103 now :)
[08:27] <jussi01> morning motu's
[08:27] <Amaranth> when i started it had 74 and i knocked it down to ~60
[08:28] <Amaranth> i think half of them are actually bug 89189
[08:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 89189 in xorg "No text in save/dialog boxes" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89189
[08:28] <pochu> hehe
[08:28] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: are you still using compiz?
[08:29] <pochu> Amaranth: we can make a good bughelper clue :)
[08:29] <Amaranth> "some sort of invisible stuff" == that bug
[08:29] <Amaranth> generally
[08:29] <Burgundavia> compiz bugs used to be down at around 50 when I was doing it :)
[08:29] <Burgundavia> as for running compiz, no, I value stablity and not ripping out my hair
[08:29] <crimsun> there are no bugs, only features.
[08:30] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: do you have XAANoOffscreenPixmaps enabled in your xorg.conf?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> no idea, let me check
[08:30] <Amaranth> if not please add it, restart X, and test bug 38121 again :)
[08:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 38121 in compiz "gnome-window-decorator does not update titles" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/38121
[08:35] <Amaranth> should be in the Device section, btw
[08:35] <Seveas> @join #ubuntu-iso
[08:35] <Seveas> sorry pochu
[08:37] <pochu> Seveas: thanks :) will ubotu take some time in join?
[08:38] <crimsun> pochu: do you have time to review #95514's affect on amule?
[08:38] <pochu> bug 95514
[08:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 95514 in wxwidgets2.8 "[UVFe]  wxwidgets 2.8.3.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95514
[08:39] <pochu> crimsun: already running in amule (I have rebuilt it, didn't know whether that was neccessary or not)
[08:40] <pochu> crimsun: at least bug 68792 and bug 81980 are still there :-/
[08:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 68792 in amule "amule crashes when trying to download kad nodes" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68792
[08:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 81980 in amule "Amule Crash when I try to get the server list" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81980
[08:43] <crimsun> ok, so does 2.8.3.0 actually fix any of our reported bugs?
[08:44] <pochu> crimsun: not sure, but I think not :(
[08:44] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: Now that I look at it most of your bugs for compiz seem to be bug 89189 which is fixed by adding that option to xorg.conf
[08:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 89189 in xorg "No text in save/dialog boxes" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89189
[08:45] <pochu> not sure about those apport reports (I'm not good with stacktraces)
[08:45] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: hmm, lovely. Why not turn the option on by default then?
[08:45] <pochu> but the changelog doesn't mention them
[08:45] <Amaranth> because it disabled most of the stuff that makes XAA useful and kills performance when you're not using compiz
[08:47] <crimsun> pochu: if you're interested in wxw2.8, please continue to track it. Currently my vote is +0 for that UVFe
[08:47] <pochu> Seveas: thanks :)
[08:47] <pochu> crimsun: ok, I'll try to see if it fixes any known bug
[08:48] <crimsun> thanks
[08:48] <ajmitch> if you don't know of it fixing any bugs, why are you requesting it?
[08:48] <pochu> ajmitch: I thought it would fix some bugs (since it's a bugfix release) but I have looked at it after requesting it :/
[08:49] <racarr> Amaranth: I still find "XAA" and "useful" being used in same same sentence funny
[08:49] <racarr> Amaranth: It's like "Disabling the firewall gets rid of the stuff that makes windows secure"
[08:49] <Amaranth> yeah well
[08:49] <Amaranth> it's a noticeable performance difference
[08:50] <Amaranth> and daniels said not to do it so...
[08:50] <racarr> It's strange because I have the same bug
[08:50] <racarr> on EXA
[08:51] <Amaranth> i'm thinking i should reassign bug 77164 to amarok
[08:51] <ubotu> Malone bug 77164 in compiz "Intense processor activity when Amarok is maximized" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77164
[08:51] <Amaranth> the only thing i could think that would cause it is amarok redrawing part of itself very fast and causing lots of damage events
[08:52] <Amaranth> which, well, will make the WM spin more
[09:19] <Amaranth> alright, compiz is down to 85 bugs
[09:19] <Amaranth> :D
[09:20] <Lathiat> hahaha
[09:21] <Lathiat> ONLY!
[09:21] <Fujitsu> At least it's in main.
[09:23] <Amaranth> Lathiat: a couple serious bugs, a dozen or so crashes that are two old to retrace, some wishlist stuff, etc
[09:36] <dholbach> hellas
[09:37] <RAOF> As in "hella, yeah"? :)
[09:37] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ping
[09:37] <macd> RAOF, hows the IT world in AU ?
[09:37] <dholbach> RAOF: as in 'hello' in greek ;-)
[09:38] <RAOF> The IT world in .au is pretty much like the IT world everywhere else, I think :)
[09:38] <RAOF> dholbach: Cool, I learn (and probably forget) something new everyday :)
[09:39] <ajmitch> LaserJock: pong
[09:40] <ajmitch> hey dholbach 
[09:41] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:42] <Fujitsu> Too many AUians around at the moment.
[09:42] <LaserJock> yes
[09:42] <LaserJock> taking over the world
[09:43] <LaserJock> if only you can get of the island
[09:43] <RAOF> It's our afternoon.  You should all be asleep :)
[09:43] <Fujitsu> That we are.
[09:43] <Fujitsu> Damnit.
[09:43] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Isn't it like 3am where you are?
[09:44] <LaserJock> umm, almost 1am
[09:44] <ajmitch> RAOF: why should I be sleeping?
[09:44] <macd> if only they would give those AU's some more intarwebs
[09:45] <Amaranth> 3am here :/
[09:45] <Fujitsu> macd: That would be nice... Our tubes are very clogged.
[09:45] <macd> Fujitsu, yeah I have peers in AU that constantly complain about "regulated" and throttled internet
[09:46] <macd> I cant even fathom such things ;)
[09:46] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Is it dieing, or too small?
[09:46] <macd> does it sound like a rock on the concrete when it spins yet ;)
[09:47] <StevenK> It's more mis-partitioned.
[09:47] <StevenK> And it's a PATA drive, whereas the new drive is a yummy SATA II drive.
[09:47] <macd> you know they make software for that sorta thing ;)
[09:47] <Fujitsu> macd: I was thinking the same.
[09:47] <Fujitsu> But SATAII sounds nicer.
[09:47] <macd> indeed it does
[09:47] <RAOF> ajmitch: When I'm awake, everyone else is meant to be asleep.  It's a little known exclusion-principle.
[09:48] <macd> I picked up a 320gb sata2 for like 80 last week, I was so happy
[09:48] <StevenK> And it's also too small to really care much about fixing.
[09:48] <Fujitsu> RAOF: Except for the fact that half the active channel is in AU/NZ.
[09:49] <macd> the rest are just underslept americans 
[10:14] <zakame> hi all
[10:14] <ajmitch> hey zakame 
[10:14] <zakame> yo ajmitch
[10:14] <zakame> I'm on plan9 under qemu now, just testing :)
[10:16] <zakame> hehehe
[10:16] <zakame> has anybody started with the revctl'd homedirs idea on GSoC2007?
[10:21] <phanatic> zakame: nobody went crazy hopefully :)
[10:21] <zakame> [no matches in 9.intro.pdf 9.ps 9.ps.gz bin/ kp.ps kp.ps.gz lib/ pikestyle.pdf plan9jun.tgz src/ tmp/ trofftut.ps zakame.png] 
[10:21] <zakame> gaah ctrl-f completion
[10:22] <zakame> phanatic: well I've this idea of implementing that plan9-style :P
[10:22] <zakame> maybe using pdumpfs (but I remember someone had thought of this too long before SoC)
[10:22] <phanatic> zakame: i don't know plan9 that well tbh
[10:23] <zakame> phanatic: well plan9 already has that kind of functionality, via its fossil+venti filesystem
[10:24] <zakame> a plan9 system with that has the capability of doing temporary and archival snapshots; the temp every 15 min and good for 4h; the archival, every morning
[10:24] <phanatic> sounds pretty cool
[10:25] <zakame> and the backups are easily accessible under different directories, sorted by date, e.g. /n/sourcesdump/2007/02/24/file
[10:25] <zakame> pdumpfs seems to already do this under Linux, but I've yet to see how feasible it can be
[10:32] <dholbach> doko: do you think we should get the changes for bug 95983 in?
[10:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 95983 in Ubuntu "Burning CDs requires apps to be run as Sudo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95983
[10:32] <dholbach> doko: do you think we should get the changes for bug 95893 in?
[10:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 95893 in gcc-h8300-hms "[UVFe Sync Request]  gcc-h8300-hms 1:3.4.6-2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95893
[10:32] <dholbach> sorry, wrong bug
[10:33] <dholbach> doko: the changes are HUGE, so I'm not entirely sure about it
[10:33] <Fujitsu> We've had that version previously, haven't we?
[10:34] <Fujitsu> It's reverting from 4.1 due to it breaking a few things... Surely that's a good thing?
[10:34] <dholbach> oh right - it has an epoch now
[10:35] <dholbach> still I'd like to hear doko about it - it's his area of expertise :)
[10:52] <\sh> moins
[10:53] <doko> dholbach: I don't care much about the cross compilers; if 4.x doesn't work, the fallback to 3.4 should be ok
[10:53] <dholbach> doko: ok - thanks
[10:54] <\sh> guys, where is this script to change debian/control to mention ubuntu maintainer fields...
[10:54] <dholbach> \sh: if you find it, please add it to MOTU/FAQ :)
[10:55] <StevenK> \sh: Commonly called "emacs" :-P
[10:55] <\sh> dholbach: hehe ;)
[10:55] <\sh> StevenK: well, yes, but someone wrote a small script...so this script i need to find :)
[10:55] <StevenK> \sh: I'd find it useful too. I keep doing it by hand.
[10:55] <dholbach> .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#ubuntu-motu.log:Mr 23 16:10:32 geser       jdong: use Lutin's script for the maintainer change (http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/code/build_scripts/update-maintainer), so you don't need to remember
[10:56] <\sh> StevenK: and it's called "vi" ;)
[10:56] <\sh> dholbach: you rock :)
[10:56] <dholbach> \sh: grep -i maintainer .xchat2/xchatlogs/*motu* | grep -i script | grep http
[10:56] <dholbach> no magic :)
[10:57] <StevenK> Ouch, that script is evil.
[10:57] <\sh> dholbach: when you have the logfiles at hand
[10:58] <\sh> StevenK: I think we have to tweak this script to be correct ;)
[10:58] <StevenK> But it's 2 pages of shell!
[10:58] <StevenK> I could write one in 5 lines of Python.
[10:59] <\sh> hehe...this one is funny
[10:59] <\sh> mail=$(grep -E "^Maintainer" debian/control | sed -r 's/.*<(.*)>/\1/')
[10:59] <\sh> case $mail in
[10:59] <\sh>     "adconrad@0c3.net")     email="Adam Conrad <adconrad@ubuntu.com>"       ;;
[10:59] <\sh>     "mpitt@debian.org")     email="Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@ubuntu.com>"    ;;
[10:59] <\sh> esac
[11:00] <\sh> wenn adam/pitti is package maintainer, rewrite his address with the ubuntu one lol nice one, really :)
[11:01] <Fujitsu> That looks like it was lifted out of pkgbinarymangler.
[11:03] <\sh> s/wenn/when/
[11:03] <\sh> oh...sabine quit her position at denic...damn...Internet is changing in germany
[11:10] <zakame> hi \sh!
[11:21] <\sh> hey zakame
[11:35] <welshbyte> morning all
[11:59] <surak> Hello MOTUs!
[12:55] <imbrandon> moins all
[12:55] <welshbyte> good morning
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[12:56] <imbrandon> he Fujitsu , looks like i might be beefing up aurora today unexpectedly
[12:56] <Fujitsu> What's being done to it, imbrandon?
[12:57] <dholbach> ok, unmetdeps bugs are now filed and will be tagged as unmetdeps in a bit
[12:57] <Lutin> hi there
[12:57] <StevenK> Fujitsu: imbrandon is putting some roast beef in an expansion solt.
[12:57] <StevenK> slot, even
[12:57] <imbrandon> well in the intrem of me and ajmitch working on it it only had one hdd in it ( well 4 in it, only one mounted ) and it threw it last night
[12:57] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Sounds plausible.
[12:57] <imbrandon> sooo its stitting off in the DC untill i drive up there this morning
[12:58] <imbrandon> but i figure while i'm there i have ram to add
[12:58] <imbrandon> sooo
[12:58] <Fujitsu> OK.
[12:59] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:01] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: I've got a patch for the LP account importer to check that the username has only sane characters.
[01:02] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, rockin, i have it on intrepid and sparky running at 5am every day
[01:02] <imbrandon> did you allow "."
[01:03] <Fujitsu> -+.a-zA-Z0-9
[01:03] <imbrandon> because useradd normaly dosent but i forced it too since some LP names had it
[01:03] <imbrandon> kk
[01:04] <imbrandon> you gonna be on for 2 more hours Fujitsu ?
[01:04] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Should be, maybe 2.5.
[01:04] <Fujitsu> Depending on how tired I am.
[01:05] <imbrandon> ok, i'm gonna grab a shower and head to the DC ( about a 30-45 minute drive from here )
[01:05] <Fujitsu> OK.
[01:05] <imbrandon> i should be ther ein less than 2 hours
[01:05] <Fujitsu> See you then :)
[01:05] <imbrandon> and i';ll add the update to the script
[01:06] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: The new one is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12131/
[01:06] <imbrandon> hrm there is no way to software raid a drive and lvm it huh ?
[01:06] <imbrandon> s/drive/drive set/
[01:07] <Fujitsu> I don't see why you couldn't...
[01:07] <Fujitsu> (I've never used Linux software RAID)
[01:07] <StevenK> imbrandon: Sure there is
[01:08] <StevenK> imbrandon: Create the RAID array, pvcreate /dev/md?, and away you go
[01:08] <imbrandon> will d-i let you do it? because i have a feeling i'm going to be replaceing that 250 with 2x160
[01:08] <Fujitsu> Just configure the RAID, and use the volumes on it as LVM PVs... Should be fine.
[01:08] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: It should do.
[01:08] <StevenK> imbrandon: Yup
[01:08] <imbrandon> kk
[01:08] <imbrandon>  /boot and swap on non raid though right ?
[01:09] <Fujitsu> There's little point having swap on a mirror.
[01:10] <StevenK> imbrandon: I'd have a sda1 as a 100M /boot, sda2 as RAID, and sda3 as 1G swap. Same for sdb
[01:10] <StevenK> Hrm. I think this machine has finally detected the SATA drive.
[01:12] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:12] <imbrandon> ok back in a bit
[01:41] <DarkSun88> Hello
[01:43] <DarkSun88> Any main sponsor here?
[01:43] <crimsun> yes?
[01:44] <DarkSun88> crimsun: Hi :)
[01:44] <DarkSun88> crimsun: Can you so kind to check this sync? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpaint/+bug/95944
[01:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 95944 in gpaint "Please sync gpaint 0.3.0pre5-4 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[01:45] <crimsun> DarkSun88: the debian/changelog entry for -3 is missing in the description.
[01:54] <crimsun> blah
[02:21] <DarkSun88> crimsun: Tra to check now: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpaint/+bug/95944
[02:21] <ubotu> Malone bug 95944 in gpaint "Please sync gpaint 0.3.0pre5-4 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[02:21] <DarkSun88> crimsun: The version of the package is -4 and not -3
[02:38] <imbrandon> re
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[02:38] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon 
[02:39] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[02:39] <highvoltage> hey urbrandon
[02:39] <ajmitch> fixed up aurora?
[02:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i'm at the office about to hook a head on aurora
[02:39] <imbrandon> nope just walked in
[02:43] <imbrandon> i think the 250 bit the dist
[02:43] <imbrandon> dust*
[02:47] <DarkSun88> Any main sponsor here?
[02:48] <DarkSun88> Could you so kind to check this bug? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpaint/+bug/95944
[02:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 95944 in gpaint "Please sync gpaint 0.3.0pre5-4 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[02:48] <DarkSun88> It's sync
[02:48] <\sh> DarkSun88: I think that's more #ubuntu-devel :)
[02:48] <DarkSun88> \sh: Thank you for information.
[02:48] <\sh> DarkSun88: and without a freeze exception from <god of release maintainer> there are no syncs in main
[02:50] <Fujitsu> \sh: Why not?
[02:54] <cypher1> i cannot seem to find a package that delivers qtmake
[02:55] <cypher1> am i missing something ?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> cypher1: qmake, you mean?
[02:56] <cypher1> Hobbsee, yes qmake, sorry
[02:56] <cypher1> let me search again
[02:56] <cypher1> Hobbsee, got it thanks! :)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:57] <\sh> Fujitsu: new upstream versions == freeze exception...and other syncs == archive maintainer, that's what I meant
[02:58] <Fujitsu> \sh: Syncs are under the same restrictions as normal uploads, surely?
[03:45] <imbrandon> woot i'm the man
[03:45] <imbrandon> ajmitch, Fujitsu : aurora is fixed and will be back up in moments
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:00] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[04:00] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:01] <welshbyte> ello bddebian 
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya welshbyte
[04:16] <Monk-e> https://launchpad.net/beryl/ at the right it says "Doesn't use Malone" under Product Status, is this information outdated?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Monk-e: no, it's correct.  you're looking in the wrong place, i suspect
[04:17] <lupine_85> not particularly, we use trac ;)
[04:17] <Monk-e> But people can report bugs to beryl packages in ubuntu can't they?
[04:18] <lupine_85> well, they can
[04:18] <sharms> it makes no sense to file ubuntu bugs under an external tracker
[04:18] <sharms> if every project did that things would be a huge mess
[04:19] <pochu> Monk-e: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beryl/+bugs
[04:19] <pochu> err, sorry
[04:19] <lupine_85> well, I fail at launchpad ;)
[04:19] <pochu> Monk-e: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beryl-core/+bugs
[04:19] <lupine_85> and I like my metadata, etc
[04:19] <Monk-e> pochu, I know, that's why I said it. ;)
[04:20] <pochu> Monk-e: oh, but this is the ubuntu beryl bugs, and the other is the upstream beryl product (which doesnt use malone)
[04:20] <lupine_85> ah, the joy of useless backtraces...
[04:20] <Monk-e> Ok, it is kind of confusing though.
[04:21] <sharms> lupine_85: can't retrace?
[04:22] <Monk-e> Could it be possibly cleared up? Saying that if there's a bug in upstream it should be reported to <berylsbugtracker>?
[04:24] <Monk-e> Never mind, I think I'm misinterpreting things anyway. :)
[04:30] <bddebian> Hmm, whatever happened to ESR I wonder? :-)
[04:32] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[04:33] <tritium> hi bddebian :)
[04:33] <tritium> airport, even
[04:33] <bddebian> heh
[04:34] <tritium> Well, we're boarding.  Take it easy, bddebian.
[04:34] <bddebian> Later man
[04:34] <Hobbsee> bye tritium!
[04:35] <nixternal> boo
[04:35] <bddebian> aaahhh
[04:35] <bddebian> Hi nixternal
[04:36] <nixternal> howdy bddebian 
[04:39] <lupine_85> So, erm, how does one close a bug on LP?
[04:39] <lupine_85> specifically bug 95565
[04:39] <ubotu> Malone bug 95565 in beryl-core "Package "emerald" not available" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95565
[04:40] <lupine_85> ah, got it
[04:41] <bddebian> heh
[04:42] <lupine_85> most of the SIGSEGVs are a bug to do with x.org, IIRC
[04:42] <lupine_85> (the ones in eventLoop)
[04:48] <lupine_85> bug 95763
[04:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 95763 in beryl-core "Returning to kwin from beryl squares the number of desktops." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95763
[04:48] <lupine_85> that's a bug in kicker, not beryl :p
[04:50] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: then fix the kicker to work with beryl :)
[04:50] <lupine_85> haha, nice one
[04:50] <lupine_85> it probably just needs to update it's viewport count when the workspace count changes
[04:53] <lupine_85> oh, and it draws viewport preview for the current viewport on the space for viewport 1 :/
[04:54] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: want to see some crack?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/snapshot6.png and http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/snapshot7.png
[04:57] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: bddebian ^
[04:57] <Hobbsee> well, more something trippy and weird :P
[04:58] <lupine_85> has someone been playing with beryl-desktop-manager?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: yeah
[04:58] <lupine_85> thought so :p
[04:58] <Hobbsee> trippy thing.
[04:59] <lupine_85> go on, report a bug for me to reject, I darrrrrrrre you :D
[04:59] <Hobbsee> still heaps of bugs yet
[04:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:59] <bddebian> aaaahhh my eyes
[04:59] <lupine_85> nah, it's caused because there's no longer anything managing that background (for whatever reason)
[04:59] <lupine_85> restarting kdesktop should fix it
[04:59] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: that you cant ctrl+c beryl from a terminal - it stops all keyboard input, until you restart X.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> yeah, thoguht it might.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> think that was with a crackful option on
[04:59] <bddebian> And why is this crap such an "important" package?
[05:00] <lupine_85> bddebian: no apparent reason
[05:00] <Hobbsee> but i could reproduce the solitare effect all the time
[05:00] <Hobbsee> bddebian: because its' bling!!!
[05:00] <lupine_85> except for being part of the fix for bug 1
[05:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:00] <lupine_85> :p
[05:00] <Hobbsee> bddebian: dont you want wobbly windows??
[05:00] <bddebian> No
[05:00] <bddebian> lupine_85: Sorry, I don't exactly see that as the "windows killer" app
[05:00] <lupine_85> Hobbsee: I've played with bdm somewhat, too... did you enable the "desktop manager supports viewports" option in beryl-settings?
[05:01] <lupine_85> bddebian: you might not, but a lot of windows users think differently
[05:01] <bddebian> I AM a Windows user
[05:01] <welshbyte> i like the looking out of your cube over the sea effect, nice touch
[05:01] <lupine_85> it's a bit sad how much some people depend on eyecandy
[05:01] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: i had, but the solitare happens with both it on and off
[05:01] <shawarma> Hobbsee: How do you make those screenshots?
[05:01] <bddebian> I live and breed Windows for my "job"
[05:01] <Hobbsee> shawarma: ksnapshot
[05:01] <lupine_85> poor bddebian :D
[05:01] <bddebian> Erer that should have been "live and breath" sheesh
[05:01] <lupine_85> mm, ksnapshot++
[05:01] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Is that different from Imagemagick's import?
[05:02] <shawarma> Hobbsee: When I use that, I don't see any of the fancy effects.
[05:02] <lupine_85> especially with the delayed snapshots
[05:02] <shawarma> Hobbsee: I don't even have my window border.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> shawarma: with beryl enabled
[05:02] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: indeed!
[05:02] <shawarma> Hobbsee: And frankly I don't expect to, so I'm just curious why it works for you.
[05:02] <bddebian> lupine_85: And I'm not trying to dis your work, I just don't get the appeal I guess :-(
[05:02] <lupine_85> well, bdm needs a helluva lot of work anyway :)
[05:02] <lupine_85> bddebian: no worries :)
[05:02] <bddebian> I'd rather seem some nice games for GNU/Linux ;-)
[05:02] <bddebian> Goddamn I can't type today
[05:02] <lupine_85> !wesnoth
[05:02] <lupine_85> ?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> shawarma: it's just with ksnapshot, with kde, aquamarine, and beryl running
[05:03] <ubotu> wesnoth: fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1.8-1 (edgy), package size 1820 kB, installed size 4140 kB
[05:03] <bddebian> Wesnoth blows compared to Oblivion or NeverWinterNights
[05:03] <lupine_85> NWN runs in linux
[05:03] <lupine_85> :
[05:03] <lupine_85> :p
[05:03] <bddebian> NWN does but I don't think theres an NWN2 client is there?
[05:03] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Are you using xserver-xgl?
[05:04] <lupine_85> not yet, maybe at some point
[05:04] <Hobbsee> shawarma: no.  intel 965
[05:04] <Hobbsee> so, aiglx
[05:04] <lupine_85> but I'd imagine it'll work with the magic of cedega
[05:04] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Does it work with import?
[05:04] <lupine_85> and FFXII comes before NWN2 :D
[05:04] <bddebian> pfft :)
[05:04] <Hobbsee> shawarma: *shrug* - it's just like gnome-snapshot, i believe
[05:04] <Hobbsee> it's not digikam or anything
[05:05] <lupine_85> NWN << baldurs gate
[05:05] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Weird. And you've done nothing special to make it work?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> shawarma: not really.  only running the correct programs, in sequence (beryl, then emerald or aquamarine)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> oh, and telling teh cube to be transparent
[05:06] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Hm.m.. gnome-screenshot works.
[05:06] <bddebian> lupine_85: You are obviously on crack :-)
[05:06] <shawarma> Hobbsee: But Imagemagick's import doesn't. 
[05:06] <Hobbsee> dunno about that, sorry
[05:06] <bddebian> And how about Star Wars: KotR I and II ? :-)
[05:08] <lupine_85> urgh, star wars
[05:08] <shawarma> lupine_85: Maybe you have some interesting input on that.. Why does gnome-screenshot capture the effects of Beryl, but Imagemagick's import doesn't?
[05:08] <lupine_85> erm, no idea :s
[05:08] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: i'm wondering why the kpager viewports boxes are so big, too
[05:08] <bddebian> Call of Duty I and II? :-)
[05:08] <bddebian> Halo?
[05:08] <lupine_85> kpager is just b0ken in general with viewports
[05:09] <lupine_85> bddebian: Xbox? PS2? 
[05:09] <lupine_85> :p
[05:09] <bddebian> pfft
[05:09] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: ahh.  fix it :)
[05:09] <lupine_85> heh, people complaining about missing beryl-xgl
[05:12] <lupine_85> I must to work; after that, I'll look at bugs 95763 and 95706 in moar detail
[05:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 95763 in beryl-core "Returning to kwin from beryl squares the number of desktops." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95763
[05:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 95706 in beryl-core "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGFPE in detectRefreshRateOfScreen()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95706
[05:13] <lupine_85> since they shouldn't be too hard to fix :p
[05:17] <sacater> HI GUYS!
[05:17] <bddebian> Hello sacater
[05:18] <pochu> heya sacater
[05:18] <sacater> :D
[05:18] <pochu> :)
[05:19] <sacater> white or dark chocolate chip?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> dark!
[05:20] <sacater> Hobbsee: what is this stick i hear you have :|
[05:20] <welshbyte> are we allowed to redistribute these cookies? maybe if we supply the recipe with them?
[05:20] <elkbuntu> ooohhh.. cookies?
[05:20] <bddebian> welshbyte: No, they are non-free damnit! :-)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> sacater: the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
[05:20] <sacater> bddebian: they are FREE
[05:20] <sacater> Hobbsee: STICK!
[05:21] <elkbuntu> bddebian, well it's not like anyone is going to want to poke through it after you've made alterations to the cookie
[05:22] <sacater> welshbyte: do you have on DVD, i only have a crummy version i taped on the TV
[05:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:22] <bddebian> elkbuntu: hehe
[05:23] <welshbyte> sacater: i think my housemate does, but i've seen it so many times it's imprinted on my brain
[05:23] <sacater> welshbyte: dont suppose you could copy and mail to me :D
[05:23] <welshbyte> no, that'd be illegal :P
[05:23] <sacater> welshbyte: :(
[05:24] <sacater> what about if you hide the disc in a very large cookie :D
[05:27] <imbrandon> ...
[06:06] <welshbyte> would you say that bug 96346 is a duplicate of bug 80316 ?
[06:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 96346 in emerald-themes "[UNMETDEPS]  emerald-themes has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96346
[06:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 80316 in emerald-themes "emerald-themes 0.1.2-0ubuntu1 has an unmet deps on Feisty" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80316
[06:08] <dholbach> welshbyte: looks like it
[06:09] <sacater> welshbyte: yep, duplicate
[06:10] <dholbach> maybe the next iteration of the massfile script will have something like dup checking :)
[06:10] <Lutin> even looks like there's no unmetdep
[06:10] <Lutin> at least, installs fine here
[06:10] <dholbach> coult be that it was fixed over the WE
[06:15] <geser> dholbach: could the massfile script be improved that it also mails which unmet dep it was and on which arch?
[06:16] <dholbach> geser: I don'T have information over all archs in my apt-cache
[06:16] <geser> it's a little hard to discover in some months if this unmet dep is still the case or if was fixed in between
[06:16] <geser> the arch you are running it would be enough
[06:17] <imbrandon> dholbach, i can also run the script on other arches ( or you can for that matter ) in chroots in the community buildd's
[06:17] <imbrandon> but that might make a bunch of dupes
[06:17] <dholbach> yeah
[06:17] <dholbach> we need to fix the dup bit yet :)
[06:17] <dholbach> bughelper could help with that
[06:19] <bersace> siretart: Hi, did you revu babl ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4722 ) and gegl ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4719 ) ?
[06:20] <Lutin> someone around using feisty on amd64 ?
[06:21] <geser> yes, me
[06:22] <Lutin> geser: could you try to install thuban, modify /usr/bin/thuban to make it run with python2.4 and try to run it, to see if it launches ?
[06:34] <geser> Lutin: after changing thuban to use python2.4 it starts
[06:37] <jetsaredim> can someone help me with a problem with feisty and nvidia-glx??
[06:37] <Lutin> geser: ok, cool. thanks :)
[06:38] <welshbyte> jetsaredim: this isn't a support channel, you might want to try #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1 or file a bug on launchpad
[06:41] <jetsaredim> k
[07:04] <jdong> just a quick question; what happened to beryl-xgl in Ubuntu packaging of beryl?
[07:04] <jdong> XGL people actually do need it :(
[07:04] <jdong> standard beryl glitches badly on xgl.
[07:04] <ivoks> on ati?
[07:05] <jdong> well, /usr/bin/beryl-xgl is not in Ubuntu beryl packaging...
[07:05] <jdong> probably removed for some reason?
[07:06] <imbrandon> yes it was removed because ity contained mesa crap
[07:07] <jdong> mmm.
[07:07] <imbrandon> untill they can build it without the inline mesa ( post feisty ) it wont be in the archive
[07:07] <jdong> I see.
[07:09] <jdong> official?
[07:09] <welshbyte> could be
[07:10] <ivoks> no
[07:10] <ivoks>   * Renamed package libmysqlclient15 to libmysqlclient15off due to
[07:10] <ivoks>     binary incompatible changes.
[07:10] <ivoks> See /usr/share/doc/libmysqlclient15off/README.Debian
[07:11] <welshbyte> ivoks: cheers :)
[07:11] <ivoks> basicly, it is official :D
[07:11] <sacater> anyone seen sabdfl?
[07:12] <imbrandon> sacater, sure but he is not in here atm
[07:12] <imbrandon> looks like -devel and launchpad atm
[07:12] <sacater> ok
[07:24] <imbrandon> geser, updated the url on ubuntuwire with a tad bit more info, i'll prettyfy it today with the exact instructions 
[07:24] <imbrandon> just fyi
[07:25] <geser> thanks
[08:35] <maxamillion> i would like to inquire about what all obligations would come with being a MOTU in terms of amount of time spent, number of meetings to attend, number of packages to take responsibility for, etc. .... is there a link i should be referencing or am i in the right place?
[08:38] <pochu> maxamillion: you can start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU#head-ec7a97d5af67e96747b4f36993232ff434f4486c
[08:38] <welshbyte> maxamillion: i'm not a motu myself but i like to help out whenever i have time, there's plenty to do and you can just jump right in really
[08:40] <pochu> hey sacater!
[08:40] <maxamillion> welshbyte: how do you contribue?
[08:40] <pochu> neither am I :)
[08:40] <sacater> welshbyte: im not MOTU either (I am under slow training though)
[08:40] <sacater> MOTU would be nice
[08:40] <sacater> but i dont have the time atm
[08:40] <sacater> SATS
[08:41] <DktrKranz> maxamillion, you can pick a task from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO
[08:41] <sacater> school work
[08:41] <sacater> that shiz
[08:41] <sacater> revision
[08:41] <maxamillion> DktrKranz: thanks, i just noticed that link
[08:42] <welshbyte> maxamillion: have a look at the links people have pasted, there's loads of information on the wiki :)
[08:42] <maxamillion> i noticed there isn't a Xubuntu MOTU team ... why is that?
[08:42] <DktrKranz> there are some easy task which can introduce you
[08:42] <maxamillion> welshbyte: yeah, i'm just starting to read over it now :)
[08:42] <DktrKranz> take a look at them
[08:42] <maxamillion> DktrKranz: will do, thank you
[08:42] <DktrKranz> check from resolved issues
[08:42] <DktrKranz> and try yourself!
[08:43] <welshbyte> maxamillion: MOTU takes care of all the packages in universe/multiverse... which includes packages available in kubuntu and xubuntu too
[08:43] <DktrKranz> here you will find some great guys who will help you
[08:44] <maxamillion> welshbyte: right, but on the wiki page there is a listing of a Kubuntu MOTU team but not one for Xubuntu ... there is a XFCE one which I would assume is what Jani handles
[08:44] <maxamillion> welshbyte: reason i ask is because i am a xubuntu contributor
[08:45] <welshbyte> maxamillion: well there's an XFCE group listed, I guess that's the relevant one
[08:46] <welshbyte> s/group/team
[08:46] <maxamillion> welshbyte: yeah
[08:47] <superm1> it appears that seahorse automatically pulls up a keyring dialog for some apps, but not debuild -S.  is there some magic necessary for it?
[08:47] <DktrKranz> superm1, are you sure?
[08:48] <maxamillion> well thanks to all, i have some reading to get done around the wiki and i'm sure i will be back
[08:48] <DktrKranz> i use it, no seahorse but i'm able to sign packages
[08:48] <superm1> 1024-bit DSA key, ID 80DF6D58, created 2006-10-13
[08:48] <superm1> gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[08:48] <superm1> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[08:48] <superm1> debuild: fatal error at line 1155:
[08:48] <superm1> running debsign failed
[08:48] <superm1> but with falcon it works fine
[08:48] <DktrKranz> anyway, i looked at BTS
[08:48] <DktrKranz> and there's a workaround
[08:48] <DktrKranz> wait just a second...
[08:48] <superm1> sigining works fine without seahorse
[08:48] <superm1> eg if kill the agent
[08:49] <geser> afaik that's a known problem
[08:49] <superm1> geser, is there a workaround to disable it for debuild then, and still allow it in other apps?
[08:50] <DktrKranz> superm1, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322208
[08:50] <ubotu> Debian bug 322208 in seahorse "seahorse-agent: fails to be accessed from debuild" [Important,Open]  
[08:50] <superm1> DktrKranz, thanks
[08:50] <DktrKranz> it is told to set an evironment variable
[08:51] <DktrKranz> but it can lead to some troubles...
[08:51] <DktrKranz> so, be careful
[08:51] <geser> superm1: I don't know, I don't use seahorse but it works with gnupg-agent
[08:51] <DktrKranz> in such bug developers suggest to fix seahorse
[08:52] <DktrKranz> i didn't check it in feisty
[08:54] <superm1> DktrKranz, it appears that DEBUILD_PRESERVE_ENVVARS does work to fix it
[08:54] <superm1> i just tried
[08:54] <DktrKranz> yep, i tried some times ago
[08:54] <DktrKranz> but i'm worried about potential breakages
[08:55] <DktrKranz> so i disabled it and i'm using command line :)
[08:55] <superm1> well is there much breakage that can be expected from having a DISPLAY variable set though in a build env
[08:55] <DktrKranz> debsign is a friend of mine :)
[08:56] <DktrKranz> anyway, let's see if we can do something with seahorse
[08:56] <DktrKranz> i think the issue can be solved only there
[08:56] <geser> I usually use -uc -us when building a source package and only sign it before uploading
[08:58] <DktrKranz> mh
[08:58] <DktrKranz> nice
[08:58] <DktrKranz> so, you will be using debsign later on
[08:59] <DktrKranz> anyway is's somewhat curious
[08:59] <DktrKranz> debsign works perfectly
[09:01] <DktrKranz> superm1, see also bug #78165
[09:01] <ubotu> Malone bug 78165 in devscripts "debuild fails to use seahorse-agent" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78165
[09:01] <geser> yes, I use debsign later. It has the advantage that I don't upload broken packages on mistake.
[09:02] <DktrKranz> well, didn't think about it :)
[09:02] <DktrKranz> anyway, it's not a problem for me ;)
[09:04] <superm1> geser, i think i like your method of signing before upload only too
[09:04] <superm1> geser, it is indeed cleaner then doing it this way with preserving DISPLAY
[09:04] <superm1> DktrKranz, thanks for the bug
[09:04] <DktrKranz> you're welcome
[09:04] <superm1> i'll subscribe to it and watch for more
[09:05] <DktrKranz> hope it'll be fixed soon
[09:09] <DktrKranz> i was working at bug #93741
[09:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 93741 in mtop "[can-not-install]  maintainer script failure" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93741
[09:09] <DktrKranz> there are similar bugs
[09:09] <DktrKranz> i found a patch along the way
[09:09] <DktrKranz> which could solve them
[09:09] <DktrKranz> could you please double-check it?
[09:11] <DktrKranz> superm1, oh it was *your* patch :)
[09:17] <superm1> DktrKranz,  :)
[09:17] <DktrKranz> nice work!
[09:17] <DktrKranz> i modified it just a little bit
[09:18] <superm1> glad it worked for you
[09:18] <DktrKranz> but it worked perfectly
[09:18] <DktrKranz> i added a function in order to work
[09:18] <DktrKranz> but your idea is good
[09:19] <superm1> from what i remember, firefox poking up a notification about needing to be restarted turned on the lightbulb in my mind
[09:19] <DktrKranz> that's it
[09:20] <DktrKranz> it took me a little bit to complete
[09:21] <DktrKranz> i didn't figure to use a function
[09:30] <Adri2000> superm1: how can you use you @ubuntu address as preferred address in LP? I thought that the preferred address was used to redirect the emails from the @ubuntu one
[09:30] <superm1> which you would think makes an infinite loop pointing to my gmail one, but it works somehow :)
[09:30] <DktrKranz> Adri2000, i thought so, but it worked :)
[09:31] <superm1> probably when you "become" an ubuntu member, they take your primary at the time
[09:31] <superm1> but dont update after that
[09:31] <lionel> I read once it was updated by a cron weekly or something like that
[09:32] <lionel> so the loop can take some time to occur...
[09:32] <Adri2000> :s
[09:33] <superm1> lionel, i've had mine like that since two weeks after i became an ubuntu member
[09:33] <pochu> hasn't happened here using it for a month
[09:33] <superm1> lionel, so maybe i'm just lucky :)
[09:33] <superm1> lionel, that was last year in september
[09:33] <lionel> oh, good news so :)
[09:34] <DktrKranz> yes, me too, it worked quite soon
[09:35] <imbrandon> ugh wtf
[09:38] <superm1> imbrandon, what happened?
[09:39] <imbrandon> just my damn wireless crap, no biggie
[09:39] <imbrandon> fixing now
[09:53] <so1> hi
[09:54] <so1> does someone know if firefox 2.0.0.2 will be shipped with feisty?
[09:54] <pochu> so1: we already have 2.0.0.3 in feisty
[09:54] <pochu> hmm, it's being built
[09:55] <so1> weird, I only see 2.0.0.2
[09:55] <pochu> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.2 (Ubuntu-feisty)
[09:56] <pochu> so1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox <--- 2.0.0.3 already published
[10:09] <so1> ok
[10:09] <so1> someone know if kile is fixed?
[10:09] <so1> failed to build on all platforms on feisty ...
[10:10] <sacater> :D
[10:18] <bmm> I'm new to packaging and have a problem: the install Makefile does everything right, and copies into $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin a binary. If I put an exit 1 there, it will be all there. However, later on in the package build, these files are removed again. What could be going wrong here?
[10:19] <bmm> (The only files remeaning are the manuals, the /usr/bin and /usr/lib are removed from the $(DESTDIR)
[10:20] <bmm> (my debian/dirs file has been removed, because I read in the manual it isn't needed if the Makefile already creates these directories)
[10:32] <bmm> what could be removing files after the upstream install script has put them in the DESTDIR?
[10:33] <Hobbsee> which files?
[10:33] <bmm> Hobbsee: files placed in the debian/iolanguage/usr/bin/ directory
[10:33] <bmm> It's not dh_clean, I checked that already.
[10:34] <Hobbsee> not sure - i think we' d have to see the source
[10:34] <bmm> Well, the first part of the "broken" package is now in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4585
[10:35] <bmm> Do you want the full source, or should I paste-bin a few parts of the files?
[10:36] <Hobbsee> um, i'm in a meeting, and really tired
[10:36] <Hobbsee> not sure i'm able to help you, sorry :(
[10:36] <bmm> NP, I understand
[10:36] <bmm> Good luck
[10:41] <bmm> Ah, dh_clean removes them
[10:41] <bmm> found the problem, thought it wasn't dh_clean but it turned out to be in a later state of the rules....
[10:41] <bmm> Still not sure how to resolve it, but I'm still working on it ;-)
[10:42] <ajmitch> morning
[10:42] <bmm> hehe, evening here, but good morning to you
[10:42] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch 
[10:43] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you're up early (or late)
[10:43] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: early, yes
[10:43] <ajmitch> scary
[10:43] <ajmitch> that's unnatural
[10:43] <Hobbsee> i know
[10:44] <Hobbsee> particularly as i went to work last night
[10:44] <ajmitch> hm
[10:44] <ajmitch> why are you up so early then?
[10:44] <ajmitch> you could spend an extra few minutes sleeping rather than on irc
[10:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: adhoc meeting for UDS
[10:45] <ajmitch> oh interesting
[10:45] <ajmitch> kubuntu stuff?
[10:45] <ajmitch> win 27
[10:45] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:45] <Hobbsee> and travel, etc
[10:45] <ajmitch> fun
[10:49] <geser> no agenda yet for the next motu meeting?
[10:49] <ajmitch> no, I guess someone should write one
[10:50] <ajmitch> ugh, it's tonight, isn't it
[10:50] <geser> Mar 27rd, 8:00 UTC
[10:51] <ajmitch> yes, so 8pm for me
[10:51] <ajmitch> not too late, I'm glad
[10:53] <Adri2000> 10am for me, will be at school :-(
[10:55] <pochu> you will love the school once you have to work :p
[10:55] <sacater> pochu: but thats the beauty of not being at school, you dont have to LEARN anything
[10:56] <pochu> sacater: you have, believe me
[10:56] <sacater> id love ubuntu as a job
[10:56] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[10:59] <pochu> hi TheMuso!
[11:00] <pochu> hi slomo
[11:00] <pochu> slomo: 1.2.9 up and running :)
[11:00] <pochu> and I've already found a bug :-)
[11:00] <bmm> Ok, probably solved my whole "files dissapearing" problem. Was dh_clean in the end.
[11:01] <slomo> pochu: oh?
[11:28] <welshbyte> hm, i think kile needs to be built with an older gcc, no idea how to do that
[11:30] <shawarma> welshbyte: "Older" as in gcc 3.4?
[11:30] <welshbyte> yes
[11:30] <bddebian> welshbyte: gcc=gcc-3.x or whatever
[11:30] <bddebian> err CC=
[11:30] <shawarma> welshbyte: Just set CC to gcc-3.4 in the makefile and add gcc-3.4 as a build-dep.
[11:31] <bddebian> Or fix it to make it work with 4.1 ;-P
[11:31] <shawarma> Er.. kile is a KDE-thing?
[11:31] <shawarma> welshbyte: Set CXX=g++-3.4 too
[11:31] <welshbyte> yeah, it's a latex editor thingy that's currently ftbfs for everything
[11:32] <shawarma> Ok. Then the g++ is probably sufficient.
[11:35] <welshbyte> when you say "the makefile" do you mean debian/rules (which is using cdbs) or patch one of Makefile.{am,in} ? :/
[11:36] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:36] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty 
[11:36] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[11:37] <sistpoty> @everyone: reminder: motu-meeting tomorrow
[11:37] <ajmitch> s/tomorrow/tonight/ for me
[11:37] <ajmitch> got anything interesting for the agenda?
[11:38] <sistpoty> till now the agenda is empty :/
[11:38] <ajmitch> yeah, that's why I'm hoping you have something ;)
[11:38] <ajmitch> otherwise it'll be anice short meeting & I can sleep early
[11:38] <sistpoty> hm... I'd like to discuss the MC charter, but I was too lazy to update it with changes from last MC meeting until now :(
[11:39] <ajmitch> update it now
[11:39] <ajmitch> thanks :)
[11:44] <enyc> bah! sru update with 3 'wrorksforme' -- got a procedure to complete......
[11:44] <enyc> (78005)
[11:44] <ajmitch> bug 78005
[11:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 78005 in qpsmtpd "[SRU]  request: dapper:qpsmtpd fix for bug #72602" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78005
[11:45] <enyc> this is a problem as there are not many users of the package ;-)
[11:45] <sistpoty> enyc: 3 works for me is (with the new sru policy) even one more than needed ;)
[11:45] <enyc> i coul d spend rathor a lot of time asking people to test for me... etc... similar SRU in same state for edgy already..
[11:46] <enyc> sistpoty: oh? whats the new policy?
[11:46] <enyc> sistpoty: I think that an exact set value may not work for all cases
[11:46] <enyc> sistpoty: like this one... simple fix to little used but annoying-bug problem...
[11:47] <enyc> sistpoty: im sure with some more complex fixes some real testing-exposure is really rather important...
[11:47] <sistpoty> enyc: it's basically any motu can just upload to -proposed, and until a package can go to -updates it needs 2 works for me and needs to have been longer than 7 days in -proposed
[11:47] <sistpoty> (this also means no more motu-sru team, and less work for me :)
[11:48] <enyc> sistpoty: whats the dangers of this change?
[11:49] <sistpoty> enyc: the danger (as always) is that we could get broken updates... however the old policy resulted in almost all updates being stuck in -proposed, so I guess some risk for a broken update is better than no update at all
[11:50] <enyc> sistpoty: i see
[11:50] <lupine_85> woot, and stuff
[11:56] <Monk-e> sistpoty, are you still accepting members for the Games team?
[11:56] <sistpoty> Monk-e: did you write that mail to the motu-ml?
[11:56] <Monk-e> sistpoty, yes.
[11:56] <sistpoty> Monk-e: sorry that I didn't respond yet :(
[11:57] <Monk-e> It's ok. :)
[11:57] <sistpoty> Monk-e: currently the motu games team is pretty much dead, and all members that were active are doing their packaging in the debian-games team now
[11:57] <Monk-e> I see.. how come?
[11:58] <sistpoty> well, /me was busy with other things, and thus had no more time for motu-games
[11:58] <enyc> sistpoty: anyway 78005 77485 con now be poked under the new policy ??
[11:58] <sistpoty> enyc: all motu sru-bugs fall under the new policy now ;)
[11:58] <Monk-e> Ah ok. Too bad...
[11:58] <enyc> sistpoty: right... so do these need poking.. or will they all now be seen to ?
[11:59] <bmm> Should the changelog contain "feisty; ugency=low" or "unstable; urgency=low" when creating a new package for revu?
[11:59] <sistpoty> Monk-e: so basically, I won't say no to accepting you into motu-games, but it's just that it's not an active team atm :(
[11:59] <sistpoty> Monk-e: maybe you'd like to reactivate it though?
[11:59] <sistpoty> bmm: feisty please
[12:00] <Monk-e> sistpoty, sure. But not for a while as I'm going to be quite busy myself the next few months.
[12:01] <sistpoty> enyc: please subscribe ubuntu-universe sponsors or ping some motus here to upload these ;)
[12:01] <bmm> sistpoty: thanks!
[12:03] <enyc> sistpoty: im trying to work out who is subscribed at the moment!
[12:03] <Monk-e> sistpoty, but thanks. Can I then contact you about it when I have more free time?
[12:03] <sistpoty> Monk-e: sure, either me or siretart
[12:03] <Monk-e> Alright, thanks!
[12:03] <sistpoty> you're welcome
[12:04] <sistpoty> enyc: left side of the bug page, 3rd portlet from the top... 
[12:09] <enyc> sistpoty: what does it say?
[12:10] <sistpoty> enyc: bug #77485 is: subsribers are Kai, motu-sru, ScottK, you. And indirectly (I guess via bug contact) ubuntu bugs is subscribed
[12:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 77485 in qpsmtpd "[SRU]  request: edgy:qpsmtpd fix for bug #72602" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77485