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| os1ris | can anyone give me some insight using ndiswrapper with ubuntu-server' | 07:36 |
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| niru | hey folks | 08:39 |
| niru | whats up | 08:39 |
| niru | I am trying to come up with server version of my distro | 08:39 |
| niru | But seeing some problems need to be clarified by you folks | 08:39 |
| niru | any help | 08:39 |
| niru | How to start with | 08:40 |
| niru | I am editing the tasksel but unfortunate it is not taking what I give in taskesl | 08:40 |
| niru | rather packages get installed according to preseed file | 08:40 |
| niru | Any body available here | 08:42 |
| === niru feels its strange that people in ubuntu are not active enough :) | ||
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| niru | ivoks hi | 08:47 |
| ivoks | hello | 08:47 |
| niru | I am editing the tasksel but unfortunate it is not taking what I give in taskesl | 08:48 |
| niru | rather packages get installed according to preseed file | 08:48 |
| niru | Can I use your method | 08:48 |
| niru | I am at present going with debian way | 08:48 |
| ivoks | mine method? :) | 08:48 |
| niru | could you tell me how can move in ubuntu way | 08:48 |
| niru | I mean ubuntu way of using seed.I dont know esactly how t works | 08:49 |
| ivoks | i don't know about others, but i do it with kickstart | 08:49 |
| niru | Any explanation | 08:49 |
| niru | oh just explain me such that I can follow if possible | 08:49 |
| ivoks | it's easy | 08:50 |
| ivoks | it's redhat's tool | 08:50 |
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| ivoks | you need system-config-kickstart | 08:51 |
| niru | ivoks:so you dont go with ubuntu | 08:51 |
| ivoks | ubuntu implemented system-config-kickstart | 08:51 |
| niru | ivoks:Could you give me any link | 08:52 |
| ivoks | i don't know if debians installer supports kickstart | 08:53 |
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| niru | ivoks:ubuntu server version uses which method? | 09:47 |
| ivoks | it uses pressed files | 09:47 |
| ivoks | but it also supports kickstart | 09:48 |
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| simulacra | exit | 11:54 |
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| theacolyte | Can't seem to find any info in #ubuntu for this, or the website, what version of mysql does the server version come with? | 05:47 |
| mralphabet | dapper LTS? or edgy server | 05:55 |
| theacolyte | 6.10 | 05:55 |
| theacolyte | sorry bout that | 05:55 |
| mralphabet | http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/mysql-server | 05:58 |
| theacolyte | ah, thanks mralphabet | 05:58 |
| theacolyte | I knew it was out there, but couldn't find it | 05:59 |
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| shawarma | fabbione: How do you feel about changing this channel to a support one? | 08:08 |
| ivoks | dev & support | 08:09 |
| ivoks | :D | 08:09 |
| Laser_away | does it matter? | 08:09 |
| shawarma | Yes, that too. | 08:09 |
| Burgwork | think that might be good | 08:09 |
| Burgwork | as this channel is not exactly busy | 08:10 |
| shawarma | Laser_away: "Does it matter what fabio thinks" or "does it matter if it's changed"? | 08:10 |
| ivoks | and #ubuntu is not a right place for server questions | 08:10 |
| fabbione | shawarma: i don't really like the idea od support | 08:10 |
| fabbione | it will become yet another #ubuntu | 08:10 |
| Laser_away | shawarma: heh, the later. | 08:10 |
| fabbione | but if you all think it's wise to open the gates.. go ahead | 08:10 |
| shawarma | fabbione: Did you read the arguments on the mailing list? | 08:11 |
| fabbione | shawarma: no? | 08:11 |
| maswan | fabbione: on the other hand, would it really disrupt any actual development discussions here? | 08:11 |
| shawarma | fabbione: It's basically about the principle of least surprise. | 08:12 |
| GNu_Joe | I've been waiting for the devlopment discussion, when does it occure? | 08:12 |
| shawarma | fabbione: a) People come here expecting it to be a support channel. 2) #ubuntu is really noisy and it would be nice to have a separate channel for server stuff. | 08:12 |
| shawarma | Heh.. a) and 2). Nice. | 08:12 |
| shawarma | and er... well, there was a third reason.. | 08:13 |
| shawarma | Oh, right, that there's not really any devel discussion going on here anyway. | 08:13 |
| ivoks | ubuntu-server users mostly do know somethign about development | 08:13 |
| fabbione | maswan: no, but we did try to have support for a while and we ended up with people asking how compile kernels or install nvidia on servers | 08:13 |
| fabbione | ivoks: wrong | 08:13 |
| maswan | fabbione: ah, ok | 08:14 |
| ivoks | fabbione: i see :) | 08:14 |
| Laser_away | could there be a #ubuntu-server-devel? | 08:14 |
| shawarma | Well, that sort of questions should just be redirected to #ubuntu. | 08:14 |
| fabbione | maswan: people don't understand the difference and we were spending more time sending people to the right channels than anything else | 08:14 |
| fabbione | but again | 08:14 |
| shawarma | Laser_away: Either that or just move it to #ubuntu-devel. | 08:14 |
| fabbione | if the community feels the need.. so be it | 08:14 |
| fabbione | i am not pro or against | 08:14 |
| ivoks | fabbione: were that nvidia questions before 6.06? | 08:15 |
| fabbione | ivoks: no also after IIRC | 08:16 |
| ivoks | fabbione: cause there was no difference betwean server and regular install before 6.06 | 08:16 |
| shawarma | The worst that could happen is that people will ask silly questions which we can just choose to ignore. Development discussion can go to #ubuntu-devel or, if the volume increases, to a specific #ubuntu-server-devel channel. | 08:16 |
| fabbione | but does it matter? | 08:16 |
| ivoks | both were installed from same CD, had same packages, etc... | 08:16 |
| ivoks | next question; who would answer on support questions? :) | 08:18 |
| shawarma | Same as in the other support channel: whoever feels like it. | 08:18 |
| ivoks | fwiw, i vote for 'let's try'... | 08:18 |
| Laser_away | what is the current support channel for server, #ubuntu? | 08:19 |
| ivoks | Laser_away: yes | 08:19 |
| ivoks | and no one here is on #ubuntu channel | 08:19 |
| ivoks | i think that says enough... | 08:20 |
| ivoks | (no, i didn't check all of you :) | 08:20 |
| shawarma | ivoks: Heh.. | 08:20 |
| shawarma | Well then.. | 08:20 |
| ivoks | it's your call fabbione | 08:21 |
| ivoks | see you later guys, gtg | 08:21 |
| shawarma | cheers | 08:22 |
| shawarma | Well, since noone seems to oppose.. | 08:22 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:shawarma] : Ubuntu Server discussion and support | general (not server specific) support -> #ubuntu | ||
| shawarma | Let's see how long it takes before "the crowd" floods us with nvidia questions or whatnot.. :-) | 08:26 |
| Laser_away | well, you might need to define what "Ubuntu Server support" is | 08:32 |
| shawarma | It's kind of like porn, isn't it? I can't define it, but I know it when I see it. | 08:34 |
| shawarma | Laser_away: ..but if you can define it, feel free. :-) | 08:34 |
| theacolyte | Any of you have ldap working with php5 sucessfully? | 09:18 |
| theacolyte | Well, I just did, nm on that :) | 09:22 |
| shawarma | mkay. :-) | 09:24 |
| EtienneG | hey guys, can someone tell me how to install the Nvidia drivers on feisty ? | 09:34 |
| EtienneG | juuuuuust kidding | 09:34 |
| theacolyte | use yum | 09:36 |
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| shawarma | heh | 09:39 |
| theacolyte | I'm SOOO tired of SNMP/MIB's I'm about to go blind! | 09:49 |
| theacolyte | I'd give me left foot to find a good snmp browser | 09:50 |
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| morrolan | Hi, I've just installed ubuntu-server, and I'm struggling to create an SQL database? | 09:56 |
| theacolyte | morrolan: what's the issue? | 09:56 |
| mralphabet | mysql? or some other db engine | 09:57 |
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| ivoks | nice topic :) | 11:09 |
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| shawarma | ivoks: Feel free to change it. :-) | 11:18 |
| ivoks | http://www.zenoss.com/ - this would look great in ubuntu-server | 11:19 |
| shawarma | ivoks: It sure does look shiny. :-) | 11:20 |
| ivoks | i'll download it and give it a try | 11:24 |
| shawarma | Uh, it's a Python thing? | 11:25 |
| theacolyte | I'm actually setting up Cacti right now | 11:25 |
| theacolyte | heh | 11:25 |
| theacolyte | and wondering why apt-get install nagios-mysql requires postfix... | 11:26 |
| ivoks | python+zope+twisted | 11:26 |
| shawarma | ivoks: Wicked. | 11:26 |
| ivoks | and: | 11:27 |
| ivoks | http://sourceforge.net/potm/potm-2007-03.php | 11:27 |
| shawarma | Ever tried Zabbix? | 11:27 |
| ivoks | What is your development environment like? | 11:27 |
| ivoks | We develop on Mac OS and Ubuntu using a GNU development environment and Python. | 11:27 |
| ivoks | that's good enough for me :D | 11:27 |
| theacolyte | I'm an IS manager personally, not dev | 11:27 |
| shawarma | I've been a Nagios user for years, but maybe I should take a look at alternatives. There seems to be quite a few out there. | 11:27 |
| theacolyte | Mainly a windows shop here | 11:28 |
| theacolyte | I use GFI's product | 11:28 |
| === shawarma offers his condolences. | ||
| theacolyte | Don't. I like Windows just the way it is :) | 11:29 |
| ivoks | yeah, me too :) | 11:29 |
| shawarma | So do I:Nowhere near any of my machines. | 11:29 |
| shawarma | :-) | 11:29 |
| theacolyte | more of a RHEL guy actually for linux, here's a question, I know you can do a package install such as yum groupinstall development, is there an equivalent for ubuntu? | 11:31 |
| theacolyte | such as apt-get install please get me everything i need to compile something | 11:31 |
| theacolyte | make, gcc etc | 11:31 |
| ivoks | apt-get install build-essential | 11:32 |
| theacolyte | ah thanks ) | 11:32 |
| ivoks | it will not install all dev packages, just essential | 11:33 |
| shawarma | if "something" is already in ubuntu, then "apt-get build-dep something" | 11:33 |
| shawarma | ivoks: It's strange they don't provide .deb's if they use Ubuntu.. | 11:34 |
| ivoks | shawarma: yes :/ | 11:35 |
| theacolyte | lol | 11:35 |
| theacolyte | I swear to god. If I see that effing MOTD again I'm gonna come unglued | 11:35 |
| theacolyte | I thought it was just a runtime script that copied from a file that kept the motd? | 11:35 |
| shawarma | Eh? | 11:36 |
| theacolyte | well, the motd when reset always goes back to the default ubuntu motd | 11:36 |
| shawarma | theacolyte: When do you see it? | 11:36 |
| theacolyte | I thought it was just a matter of editing /var/run/motd | 11:36 |
| theacolyte | on log in | 11:36 |
| shawarma | Ah. | 11:37 |
| shawarma | touch $HOME/.hushlogin | 11:37 |
| theacolyte | you know... The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software; | 11:37 |
| theacolyte | thanks.. that was driving me crazy | 11:37 |
| shawarma | The file is actually in /etc/motd{,.tail} | 11:37 |
| shawarma | Well... /etc/motd.tail contains the static part. | 11:38 |
| shawarma | $(uname -snrvm) is prepended to that to form /var/run/motd. | 11:39 |
| theacolyte | ah got it | 11:39 |
| shawarma | The FHS dictates that conf stuff should be in /etc, so there's a symlink in there. | 11:39 |
| theacolyte | why is it so persistant? hehe | 11:39 |
| shawarma | So, if you want to keep a MOTD with the uname stuff prepended, you change /etc/motd.tail. If you just want a static one, delete the /etc/motd symlink and replace it with something you like. | 11:40 |
| shawarma | The static one can of course just be an empty file. | 11:41 |
| theacolyte | ls | 11:41 |
| ivoks | there are some ugly stuff in zenoss | 11:42 |
| ivoks | like for sudoers: | 11:42 |
| ivoks | zenoss NOPASSWD: /bin/kill | 11:42 |
| ivoks | this makes it a bad software | 11:43 |
| Burgwork | oh geez | 11:43 |
| Burgwork | just while I was debating zenoss vs zabbix | 11:43 |
| shawarma | I wonder what it's for. | 11:43 |
| theacolyte | why would you use zabbix vs cacti? | 11:43 |
| shawarma | It's probably something about reloading configuration files or something. | 11:43 |
| ivoks | shawarma: exploiting :) | 11:44 |
| shawarma | ivoks: *G* | 11:44 |
| Burgwork | they are looking for people to help them build deb packages | 11:44 |
| ivoks | Burgwork: zenoss? | 11:44 |
| Burgwork | might want to ping upstream and tell them that is bad | 11:44 |
| Burgwork | yep | 11:44 |
| theacolyte | I'm curious actually. I'm trying to find some good monitoring/metric software | 11:44 |
| ivoks | i wanted to do that, but this strikes me... | 11:44 |
| theacolyte | So why zabbix vs cacti or nagios or something? | 11:44 |
| Burgwork | because zabbix is one install vs many | 11:44 |
| theacolyte | so zabbix is like nagios + cacti, etc? | 11:45 |
| Burgwork | thanks, I have better things to do than fight with configuring stuff endlessly | 11:45 |
| Burgwork | basically | 11:45 |
| theacolyte | got it, as do I | 11:45 |
| theacolyte | I tried groundwork, almost made me vomit configuring it, it's almost as bad as nagios | 11:45 |
| Burgwork | busy working up the courage to rebuild the asterisk server in house | 11:45 |
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| theacolyte | * configuration is even worse than nagios *laugh* | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | hi Burgwork | 11:46 |
| Burgwork | hey ajmitch | 11:46 |
| theacolyte | ooo zabbix has a win32 agent | 11:46 |
| theacolyte | i'm sold already | 11:46 |
| Burgwork | our network, has fortunately, recovered from the attack of the incompetent alarms tech | 11:46 |
| theacolyte | Burgwork: what zabbbix version do the ubuntu repos have? | 11:48 |
| Burgwork | no idea | 11:48 |
| Burgwork | packages.ubuntu.com/zabbix will tell you | 11:48 |
| theacolyte | thanks | 11:49 |
| Burgwork | hmm, universe only | 11:49 |
| ivoks | oh, nice... | 11:49 |
| Burgwork | we need a solution in main | 11:49 |
| ivoks | http://www.zabbix.com/screenshots_11_screens.php - zabbix already considers croatia part of EU :) | 11:49 |
| ivoks | that was a joke | 11:50 |
| shawarma | nagios used to be in main, it seems. | 11:50 |
| ivoks | Burgwork: is there a strong reason why zabbix isn't in main? | 11:52 |
| theacolyte | here's one for you | 11:52 |
| theacolyte | did an apt-get install using dbconfig | 11:52 |
| theacolyte | Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Access denied for user 'zabbix'@'localhost' (using password: NO) in /usr/share/zabbix/include/db.inc.php on line 32 | 11:52 |
| theacolyte | :) | 11:53 |
| ivoks | nice :) | 11:53 |
| theacolyte | excellent, and removing it and reinstalling it after manually making the database, dbconfig doesn't come back up... although that may be an ubuntu thing | 11:56 |
| ivoks | basicly, debconf should create DB and DB user | 11:57 |
| ivoks | that's not such a big deal... | 11:57 |
| ivoks | anything else? :) | 11:57 |
| theacolyte | i uninstalled the package, went to reinstall it, and it just flashed by without asking about dbconfig... answers cached someplace? | 11:57 |
| ivoks | yes | 11:58 |
| ivoks | dpkg-reconfigure will reconfigure it | 11:58 |
| ivoks | removing it with --purge will remove answers | 11:58 |
| theacolyte | why doesn't dbconfig ask for the root mysql password? | 11:59 |
| ivoks | theacolyte: maybe it isn't packaged well | 12:00 |
| theacolyte | got it | 12:00 |
| ivoks | i'll check it tomorrow | 12:00 |
| ivoks | but i think we should have something like this for next lts | 12:01 |
| ivoks | (like an option, ofcourse) | 12:01 |
| theacolyte | well | 12:02 |
| theacolyte | i hate zabbix already :) | 12:02 |
| ivoks | :) | 12:02 |
| shawarma | I've always like nagios-text. | 12:06 |
| shawarma | s/like/liked/ | 12:07 |
| shawarma | It seems so wrong to monitor the MySQL database that your monitoring data is kept in. | 12:07 |
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