=== boggle [n=spindler@modemcable096.205-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === simulacra [n=norm@181-dcmp5.goeaston.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === simulacra [n=norm@181-dcmp5.goeaston.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["Ex-Chat"] === ryanakca [n=ryanakca@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-server === ryanakca [n=ryanakca@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has left #ubuntu-server [] === r00tintheb0x [n=r00tinth@cpe-24-175-106-60.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === os1ris [n=os1ris@ip-64-139-51-178.sjc.megapath.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:36] can anyone give me some insight using ndiswrapper with ubuntu-server' [07:36] ? === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-server.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-server === Topic for #ubuntu-server: Ubuntu Server *development* discussion | general support -> #ubuntu === Topic (#ubuntu-server): set by fabbione at Wed Jan 10 11:19:15 2007 === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-server === niru [n=niru@203.129.255.178] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:39] hey folks [08:39] whats up [08:39] I am trying to come up with server version of my distro [08:39] But seeing some problems need to be clarified by you folks [08:39] any help [08:40] How to start with [08:40] I am editing the tasksel but unfortunate it is not taking what I give in taskesl [08:40] rather packages get installed according to preseed file [08:42] Any body available here === niru feels its strange that people in ubuntu are not active enough :) === ivoks [n=ivoks@16-22.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:47] ivoks hi [08:47] hello [08:48] I am editing the tasksel but unfortunate it is not taking what I give in taskesl [08:48] rather packages get installed according to preseed file [08:48] Can I use your method [08:48] I am at present going with debian way [08:48] mine method? :) [08:48] could you tell me how can move in ubuntu way [08:49] I mean ubuntu way of using seed.I dont know esactly how t works [08:49] i don't know about others, but i do it with kickstart [08:49] Any explanation [08:49] oh just explain me such that I can follow if possible [08:50] it's easy [08:50] it's redhat's tool === ||arifaX [n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:51] you need system-config-kickstart [08:51] ivoks:so you dont go with ubuntu [08:51] ubuntu implemented system-config-kickstart [08:52] ivoks:Could you give me any link [08:53] i don't know if debians installer supports kickstart === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:47] ivoks:ubuntu server version uses which method? [09:47] it uses pressed files [09:48] but it also supports kickstart === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ToonArmy [n=chris@88-105-137-52.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === mralphabet [n=user_nam@71-89-33-80.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === simulacra [n=simulacr@181-dcmp5.goeaston.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:54] exit === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable096.205-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === Godsey [n=jason@proto.OpenSYSV.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionel [n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === CarlFK [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === TheLighty [i=lighty@riding.the.data-stream.org] has joined #ubuntu-server === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === mralphabet [n=user_nam@71-89-33-80.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === ToonArmy [n=chris@88-105-137-52.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === [miles] [n=miles@unaffiliated/miles/x-000000001] has joined #ubuntu-server === ||arifaX [n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === Laser_away [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-server === fdoving [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-server === CarlF1 [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === jhutchins [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-server === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #ubuntu-server === shawarma [n=sh@atlas.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === cemil [n=cemil@defiant.wavecon.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === infinity [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === maswan [i=maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-server === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === r00tintheb0x [n=r00tinth@cpe-24-175-106-60.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === \sh [n=nnnnnnnn@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-197-231.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === davekempe [n=dave@165.222.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-server === Pyretic [i=typing@timor.zolder.org] has joined #ubuntu-server === Pyretic [i=typing@timor.zolder.org] has left #ubuntu-server [] === ivoks [n=ivoks@18-18.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === EtienneG [n=etienne@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === EtienneG_ [n=etienne@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === sacater [n=sacater@host81-154-199-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === jhutchins [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === theacolyte [n=theacoly@unaffiliated/theacolyte] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:47] Can't seem to find any info in #ubuntu for this, or the website, what version of mysql does the server version come with? [05:55] dapper LTS? or edgy server [05:55] 6.10 [05:55] sorry bout that [05:58] http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/mysql-server [05:58] ah, thanks mralphabet [05:59] I knew it was out there, but couldn't find it === ivoks [n=ivoks@7-165.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-server === GNu_Joe [i=joe@nat/ibm/x-0666c435bfcb5c0b] has joined #ubuntu-server === hexidigital [n=hexidigi@unaffiliated/hexidigital] has joined #ubuntu-server === manowar3 [n=chatzill@bzq-88-154-3-143.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === manowar3 [n=chatzill@bzq-88-154-3-143.red.bezeqint.net] has left #ubuntu-server [] [08:08] fabbione: How do you feel about changing this channel to a support one? [08:09] dev & support [08:09] :D [08:09] does it matter? [08:09] Yes, that too. [08:09] think that might be good [08:10] as this channel is not exactly busy [08:10] Laser_away: "Does it matter what fabio thinks" or "does it matter if it's changed"? [08:10] and #ubuntu is not a right place for server questions [08:10] shawarma: i don't really like the idea od support [08:10] it will become yet another #ubuntu [08:10] shawarma: heh, the later. [08:10] but if you all think it's wise to open the gates.. go ahead [08:11] fabbione: Did you read the arguments on the mailing list? [08:11] shawarma: no? [08:11] fabbione: on the other hand, would it really disrupt any actual development discussions here? [08:12] fabbione: It's basically about the principle of least surprise. [08:12] I've been waiting for the devlopment discussion, when does it occure? [08:12] fabbione: a) People come here expecting it to be a support channel. 2) #ubuntu is really noisy and it would be nice to have a separate channel for server stuff. [08:12] Heh.. a) and 2). Nice. [08:13] and er... well, there was a third reason.. [08:13] Oh, right, that there's not really any devel discussion going on here anyway. [08:13] ubuntu-server users mostly do know somethign about development [08:13] maswan: no, but we did try to have support for a while and we ended up with people asking how compile kernels or install nvidia on servers [08:13] ivoks: wrong [08:14] fabbione: ah, ok [08:14] fabbione: i see :) [08:14] could there be a #ubuntu-server-devel? [08:14] Well, that sort of questions should just be redirected to #ubuntu. [08:14] maswan: people don't understand the difference and we were spending more time sending people to the right channels than anything else [08:14] but again [08:14] Laser_away: Either that or just move it to #ubuntu-devel. [08:14] if the community feels the need.. so be it [08:14] i am not pro or against [08:15] fabbione: were that nvidia questions before 6.06? [08:16] ivoks: no also after IIRC [08:16] fabbione: cause there was no difference betwean server and regular install before 6.06 [08:16] The worst that could happen is that people will ask silly questions which we can just choose to ignore. Development discussion can go to #ubuntu-devel or, if the volume increases, to a specific #ubuntu-server-devel channel. [08:16] but does it matter? [08:16] both were installed from same CD, had same packages, etc... [08:18] next question; who would answer on support questions? :) [08:18] Same as in the other support channel: whoever feels like it. [08:18] fwiw, i vote for 'let's try'... [08:19] what is the current support channel for server, #ubuntu? [08:19] Laser_away: yes [08:19] and no one here is on #ubuntu channel [08:20] i think that says enough... [08:20] (no, i didn't check all of you :) [08:20] ivoks: Heh.. [08:20] Well then.. [08:21] it's your call fabbione [08:21] see you later guys, gtg [08:22] cheers [08:22] Well, since noone seems to oppose.. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:shawarma] : Ubuntu Server discussion and support | general (not server specific) support -> #ubuntu [08:26] Let's see how long it takes before "the crowd" floods us with nvidia questions or whatnot.. :-) [08:32] well, you might need to define what "Ubuntu Server support" is [08:34] It's kind of like porn, isn't it? I can't define it, but I know it when I see it. [08:34] Laser_away: ..but if you can define it, feel free. :-) [09:18] Any of you have ldap working with php5 sucessfully? [09:22] Well, I just did, nm on that :) [09:24] mkay. :-) [09:34] hey guys, can someone tell me how to install the Nvidia drivers on feisty ? [09:34] juuuuuust kidding [09:36] use yum === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:39] heh [09:49] I'm SOOO tired of SNMP/MIB's I'm about to go blind! [09:50] I'd give me left foot to find a good snmp browser === morrolan [n=morrolan@user-5af0de58.wfd95.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server === Flannel [n=flannel@cpe-76-176-22-229.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === Flannel [n=flannel@cpe-76-176-22-229.san.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-server [] [09:56] Hi, I've just installed ubuntu-server, and I'm struggling to create an SQL database? [09:56] morrolan: what's the issue? [09:57] mysql? or some other db engine === mooseman447 [n=mooseman@24.229.203.37.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@8-150.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:09] nice topic :) === mooseman447 [n=mooseman@24.229.203.37.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:18] ivoks: Feel free to change it. :-) [11:19] http://www.zenoss.com/ - this would look great in ubuntu-server [11:20] ivoks: It sure does look shiny. :-) [11:24] i'll download it and give it a try [11:25] Uh, it's a Python thing? [11:25] I'm actually setting up Cacti right now [11:25] heh [11:26] and wondering why apt-get install nagios-mysql requires postfix... [11:26] python+zope+twisted [11:26] ivoks: Wicked. [11:27] and: [11:27] http://sourceforge.net/potm/potm-2007-03.php [11:27] Ever tried Zabbix? [11:27] What is your development environment like? [11:27] We develop on Mac OS and Ubuntu using a GNU development environment and Python. [11:27] that's good enough for me :D [11:27] I'm an IS manager personally, not dev [11:27] I've been a Nagios user for years, but maybe I should take a look at alternatives. There seems to be quite a few out there. [11:28] Mainly a windows shop here [11:28] I use GFI's product === shawarma offers his condolences. [11:29] Don't. I like Windows just the way it is :) [11:29] yeah, me too :) [11:29] So do I:Nowhere near any of my machines. [11:29] :-) [11:31] more of a RHEL guy actually for linux, here's a question, I know you can do a package install such as yum groupinstall development, is there an equivalent for ubuntu? [11:31] such as apt-get install please get me everything i need to compile something [11:31] make, gcc etc [11:32] apt-get install build-essential [11:32] ah thanks ) [11:33] it will not install all dev packages, just essential [11:33] if "something" is already in ubuntu, then "apt-get build-dep something" [11:34] ivoks: It's strange they don't provide .deb's if they use Ubuntu.. [11:35] shawarma: yes :/ [11:35] lol [11:35] I swear to god. If I see that effing MOTD again I'm gonna come unglued [11:35] I thought it was just a runtime script that copied from a file that kept the motd? [11:36] Eh? [11:36] well, the motd when reset always goes back to the default ubuntu motd [11:36] theacolyte: When do you see it? [11:36] I thought it was just a matter of editing /var/run/motd [11:36] on log in [11:37] Ah. [11:37] touch $HOME/.hushlogin [11:37] you know... The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software; [11:37] thanks.. that was driving me crazy [11:37] The file is actually in /etc/motd{,.tail} [11:38] Well... /etc/motd.tail contains the static part. [11:39] $(uname -snrvm) is prepended to that to form /var/run/motd. [11:39] ah got it [11:39] The FHS dictates that conf stuff should be in /etc, so there's a symlink in there. [11:39] why is it so persistant? hehe [11:40] So, if you want to keep a MOTD with the uname stuff prepended, you change /etc/motd.tail. If you just want a static one, delete the /etc/motd symlink and replace it with something you like. [11:41] The static one can of course just be an empty file. [11:41] ls [11:42] there are some ugly stuff in zenoss [11:42] like for sudoers: [11:42] zenoss NOPASSWD: /bin/kill [11:43] this makes it a bad software [11:43] oh geez [11:43] just while I was debating zenoss vs zabbix [11:43] I wonder what it's for. [11:43] why would you use zabbix vs cacti? [11:43] It's probably something about reloading configuration files or something. [11:44] shawarma: exploiting :) [11:44] ivoks: *G* [11:44] they are looking for people to help them build deb packages [11:44] Burgwork: zenoss? [11:44] might want to ping upstream and tell them that is bad [11:44] yep [11:44] I'm curious actually. I'm trying to find some good monitoring/metric software [11:44] i wanted to do that, but this strikes me... [11:44] So why zabbix vs cacti or nagios or something? [11:44] because zabbix is one install vs many [11:45] so zabbix is like nagios + cacti, etc? [11:45] thanks, I have better things to do than fight with configuring stuff endlessly [11:45] basically [11:45] got it, as do I [11:45] I tried groundwork, almost made me vomit configuring it, it's almost as bad as nagios [11:45] busy working up the courage to rebuild the asterisk server in house === ra1nb0w [n=davide@213-156-55-129.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:46] * configuration is even worse than nagios *laugh* [11:46] hi Burgwork [11:46] hey ajmitch [11:46] ooo zabbix has a win32 agent [11:46] i'm sold already [11:46] our network, has fortunately, recovered from the attack of the incompetent alarms tech [11:48] Burgwork: what zabbbix version do the ubuntu repos have? [11:48] no idea [11:48] packages.ubuntu.com/zabbix will tell you [11:49] thanks [11:49] hmm, universe only [11:49] oh, nice... [11:49] we need a solution in main [11:49] http://www.zabbix.com/screenshots_11_screens.php - zabbix already considers croatia part of EU :) [11:50] that was a joke [11:50] nagios used to be in main, it seems. [11:52] Burgwork: is there a strong reason why zabbix isn't in main? [11:52] here's one for you [11:52] did an apt-get install using dbconfig [11:52] Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Access denied for user 'zabbix'@'localhost' (using password: NO) in /usr/share/zabbix/include/db.inc.php on line 32 [11:53] :) [11:53] nice :) [11:56] excellent, and removing it and reinstalling it after manually making the database, dbconfig doesn't come back up... although that may be an ubuntu thing [11:57] basicly, debconf should create DB and DB user [11:57] that's not such a big deal... [11:57] anything else? :) [11:57] i uninstalled the package, went to reinstall it, and it just flashed by without asking about dbconfig... answers cached someplace? [11:58] yes [11:58] dpkg-reconfigure will reconfigure it [11:58] removing it with --purge will remove answers [11:59] why doesn't dbconfig ask for the root mysql password? [12:00] theacolyte: maybe it isn't packaged well [12:00] got it [12:00] i'll check it tomorrow [12:01] but i think we should have something like this for next lts [12:01] (like an option, ofcourse) [12:02] well [12:02] i hate zabbix already :) [12:02] :) [12:06] I've always like nagios-text. [12:07] s/like/liked/ [12:07] It seems so wrong to monitor the MySQL database that your monitoring data is kept in.