[07:36] <os1ris> can anyone give me some insight using ndiswrapper with ubuntu-server'
[07:36] <os1ris> ?
[08:39] <niru> hey folks 
[08:39] <niru> whats up
[08:39] <niru> I am trying to come up with server version of my distro
[08:39] <niru> But seeing some problems need to be clarified by you folks
[08:39] <niru> any help
[08:40] <niru> How to start with
[08:40] <niru> I am editing the tasksel but unfortunate it is not taking what I give in taskesl
[08:40] <niru> rather packages get installed according to preseed file
[08:42] <niru> Any body available here
[08:47] <niru> ivoks hi
[08:47] <ivoks> hello
[08:48] <niru> I am editing the tasksel but unfortunate it is not taking what I give in taskesl
[08:48] <niru> rather packages get installed according to preseed file
[08:48] <niru> Can I use your method
[08:48] <niru> I am at present going with debian way
[08:48] <ivoks> mine method? :)
[08:48] <niru> could you tell me how  can move in ubuntu way
[08:49] <niru> I mean ubuntu way of using seed.I dont know esactly how t works
[08:49] <ivoks> i don't know about others, but i do it with kickstart
[08:49] <niru> Any explanation
[08:49] <niru> oh just explain me such that I can follow if possible
[08:50] <ivoks> it's easy
[08:50] <ivoks> it's redhat's tool
[08:51] <ivoks> you need system-config-kickstart
[08:51] <niru> ivoks:so you dont go with ubuntu
[08:51] <ivoks> ubuntu implemented system-config-kickstart
[08:52] <niru> ivoks:Could you give me any link
[08:53] <ivoks> i don't know if debians installer supports kickstart
[09:47] <niru> ivoks:ubuntu server version uses which method?
[09:47] <ivoks> it uses pressed files
[09:48] <ivoks> but it also supports kickstart
[11:54] <simulacra> exit
[05:47] <theacolyte> Can't seem to find any info in #ubuntu for this, or the website, what version of mysql does the server version come with?
[05:55] <mralphabet> dapper LTS? or edgy server
[05:55] <theacolyte> 6.10
[05:55] <theacolyte> sorry bout that
[05:58] <mralphabet> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/mysql-server
[05:58] <theacolyte> ah, thanks mralphabet
[05:59] <theacolyte> I knew it was out there, but couldn't find it
[08:08] <shawarma> fabbione: How do you feel about changing this channel to a support one?
[08:09] <ivoks> dev & support
[08:09] <ivoks> :D
[08:09] <Laser_away> does it matter?
[08:09] <shawarma> Yes, that too.
[08:09] <Burgwork> think that might be good
[08:10] <Burgwork> as this channel is not exactly busy
[08:10] <shawarma> Laser_away: "Does it matter what fabio thinks" or "does it matter if it's changed"?
[08:10] <ivoks> and #ubuntu is not a right place for server questions
[08:10] <fabbione> shawarma: i don't really like the idea od support
[08:10] <fabbione> it will become yet another #ubuntu
[08:10] <Laser_away> shawarma: heh, the later.
[08:10] <fabbione> but if you all think it's wise to open the gates.. go ahead
[08:11] <shawarma> fabbione: Did you read the arguments on the mailing list?
[08:11] <fabbione> shawarma: no?
[08:11] <maswan> fabbione: on the other hand, would it really disrupt any actual development discussions here?
[08:12] <shawarma> fabbione: It's basically about the principle of least surprise.
[08:12] <GNu_Joe> I've been waiting for the devlopment discussion, when does it occure?
[08:12] <shawarma> fabbione: a) People come here expecting it to be a support channel. 2) #ubuntu is really noisy and it would be nice to have a separate channel for server stuff.
[08:12] <shawarma> Heh.. a) and 2). Nice.
[08:13] <shawarma> and er... well, there was a third reason..
[08:13] <shawarma> Oh, right, that there's not really any devel discussion going on here anyway.
[08:13] <ivoks> ubuntu-server users mostly do know somethign about development
[08:13] <fabbione> maswan: no, but we did try to have support for a while and we ended up with people asking how compile kernels or install nvidia on servers
[08:13] <fabbione> ivoks: wrong
[08:14] <maswan> fabbione: ah, ok
[08:14] <ivoks> fabbione: i see :)
[08:14] <Laser_away> could there be a #ubuntu-server-devel?
[08:14] <shawarma> Well, that sort of questions should just be redirected to #ubuntu.
[08:14] <fabbione> maswan: people don't understand the difference and we were spending more time sending people to the right channels than anything else
[08:14] <fabbione> but again
[08:14] <shawarma> Laser_away: Either that or just move it to #ubuntu-devel.
[08:14] <fabbione> if the community feels the need.. so be it
[08:14] <fabbione> i am not pro or against
[08:15] <ivoks> fabbione: were that nvidia questions before 6.06?
[08:16] <fabbione> ivoks: no also after IIRC
[08:16] <ivoks> fabbione: cause there was no difference betwean server and regular install before 6.06
[08:16] <shawarma> The worst that could happen is that people will ask silly questions which we can just choose to ignore. Development discussion can go to #ubuntu-devel or, if the volume increases, to a specific #ubuntu-server-devel channel.
[08:16] <fabbione> but does it matter?
[08:16] <ivoks> both were installed from same CD, had same packages, etc...
[08:18] <ivoks> next question; who would answer on support questions? :)
[08:18] <shawarma> Same as in the other support channel: whoever feels like it.
[08:18] <ivoks> fwiw, i vote for 'let's try'...
[08:19] <Laser_away> what is the current support channel for server, #ubuntu?
[08:19] <ivoks> Laser_away: yes
[08:19] <ivoks> and no one here is on #ubuntu channel
[08:20] <ivoks> i think that says enough...
[08:20] <ivoks> (no, i didn't check all of you :)
[08:20] <shawarma> ivoks: Heh..
[08:20] <shawarma> Well then..
[08:21] <ivoks> it's your call fabbione 
[08:21] <ivoks> see you later guys, gtg
[08:22] <shawarma> cheers
[08:22] <shawarma> Well, since noone seems to oppose..
[08:26] <shawarma> Let's see how long it takes before "the crowd" floods us with nvidia questions or whatnot.. :-)
[08:32] <Laser_away> well, you might need to define what "Ubuntu Server support" is
[08:34] <shawarma> It's kind of like porn, isn't it? I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.
[08:34] <shawarma> Laser_away: ..but if you can define it, feel free. :-)
[09:18] <theacolyte> Any of you have ldap working with php5 sucessfully?
[09:22] <theacolyte> Well, I just did, nm on that :)
[09:24] <shawarma> mkay. :-)
[09:34] <EtienneG> hey guys, can someone tell me how to install the Nvidia drivers on feisty ?
[09:34] <EtienneG> juuuuuust kidding
[09:36] <theacolyte> use yum
[09:39] <shawarma> heh
[09:49] <theacolyte> I'm SOOO tired of SNMP/MIB's I'm about to go blind!
[09:50] <theacolyte> I'd give me left foot to find a good snmp browser
[09:56] <morrolan> Hi, I've just installed ubuntu-server, and I'm struggling to create an SQL database?
[09:56] <theacolyte> morrolan: what's the issue?
[09:57] <mralphabet> mysql? or some other db engine
[11:09] <ivoks> nice topic :)
[11:18] <shawarma> ivoks: Feel free to change it. :-)
[11:19] <ivoks> http://www.zenoss.com/ - this would look great in ubuntu-server
[11:20] <shawarma> ivoks: It sure does look shiny. :-)
[11:24] <ivoks> i'll download it and give it a try
[11:25] <shawarma> Uh, it's a Python thing? 
[11:25] <theacolyte> I'm actually setting up Cacti right now
[11:25] <theacolyte> heh
[11:26] <theacolyte> and wondering why apt-get install nagios-mysql requires postfix...
[11:26] <ivoks> python+zope+twisted
[11:26] <shawarma> ivoks: Wicked.
[11:27] <ivoks> and:
[11:27] <ivoks> http://sourceforge.net/potm/potm-2007-03.php
[11:27] <shawarma> Ever tried Zabbix?
[11:27] <ivoks> What is your development environment like?
[11:27] <ivoks> We develop on Mac OS and Ubuntu using a GNU development environment and Python.
[11:27] <ivoks> that's good enough for me :D
[11:27] <theacolyte> I'm an IS manager personally, not dev
[11:27] <shawarma> I've been a Nagios user for years, but maybe I should take a look at alternatives. There seems to be quite a few out there.
[11:28] <theacolyte> Mainly a windows shop here
[11:28] <theacolyte> I use GFI's product
[11:29] <theacolyte> Don't. I like Windows just the way it is :)
[11:29] <ivoks> yeah, me too :)
[11:29] <shawarma> So do I:Nowhere near any of my machines.
[11:29] <shawarma> :-)
[11:31] <theacolyte> more of a RHEL guy actually for linux, here's a question, I know you can do a package install such as yum groupinstall development, is there an equivalent for ubuntu?
[11:31] <theacolyte> such as apt-get install please get me everything i need to compile something
[11:31] <theacolyte> make, gcc etc
[11:32] <ivoks> apt-get install build-essential
[11:32] <theacolyte> ah thanks )
[11:33] <ivoks> it will not install all dev packages, just essential
[11:33] <shawarma> if "something" is already in ubuntu, then "apt-get build-dep something"
[11:34] <shawarma> ivoks: It's strange they don't provide .deb's if they use Ubuntu..
[11:35] <ivoks> shawarma: yes :/
[11:35] <theacolyte> lol
[11:35] <theacolyte> I swear to god. If I see that effing MOTD again I'm gonna come unglued
[11:35] <theacolyte> I thought it was just a runtime script that copied from a file that kept the motd?
[11:36] <shawarma> Eh?
[11:36] <theacolyte> well, the motd when reset always goes back to the default ubuntu motd
[11:36] <shawarma> theacolyte: When do you see it?
[11:36] <theacolyte> I thought it was just a matter of editing /var/run/motd
[11:36] <theacolyte> on log in
[11:37] <shawarma> Ah.
[11:37] <shawarma> touch $HOME/.hushlogin
[11:37] <theacolyte> you know... The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software;
[11:37] <theacolyte> thanks.. that was driving me crazy
[11:37] <shawarma> The file is actually in /etc/motd{,.tail}
[11:38] <shawarma> Well... /etc/motd.tail contains the static part.
[11:39] <shawarma> $(uname -snrvm) is prepended to that to form /var/run/motd.
[11:39] <theacolyte> ah got it
[11:39] <shawarma> The FHS dictates that conf stuff should be in /etc, so there's a symlink in there.
[11:39] <theacolyte> why is it so persistant? hehe
[11:40] <shawarma> So, if you want to keep a MOTD with the uname stuff prepended, you change /etc/motd.tail. If you just want a static one, delete the /etc/motd symlink and replace it with something you like.
[11:41] <shawarma> The static one can of course just be an empty file.
[11:41] <theacolyte> ls
[11:42] <ivoks> there are some ugly stuff in zenoss
[11:42] <ivoks> like for sudoers:
[11:42] <ivoks> zenoss NOPASSWD: /bin/kill
[11:43] <ivoks> this makes it a bad software
[11:43] <Burgwork> oh geez
[11:43] <Burgwork> just while I was debating zenoss vs zabbix
[11:43] <shawarma> I wonder what it's for.
[11:43] <theacolyte> why would you use zabbix vs cacti?
[11:43] <shawarma> It's probably something about reloading configuration files or something.
[11:44] <ivoks> shawarma: exploiting :)
[11:44] <shawarma> ivoks: *G*
[11:44] <Burgwork> they are looking for people to help them build deb packages
[11:44] <ivoks> Burgwork: zenoss?
[11:44] <Burgwork> might want to ping upstream and tell them that is bad
[11:44] <Burgwork> yep
[11:44] <theacolyte> I'm curious actually. I'm trying to find some good monitoring/metric software
[11:44] <ivoks> i wanted to do that, but this strikes me...
[11:44] <theacolyte> So why zabbix vs cacti or nagios or something?
[11:44] <Burgwork> because zabbix is one install vs many
[11:45] <theacolyte> so zabbix is like nagios + cacti, etc?
[11:45] <Burgwork> thanks, I have better things to do than fight with configuring stuff endlessly
[11:45] <Burgwork> basically
[11:45] <theacolyte> got it, as do I
[11:45] <theacolyte> I tried groundwork, almost made me vomit configuring it, it's almost as bad as nagios
[11:45] <Burgwork> busy working up the courage to rebuild the asterisk server in house
[11:46] <theacolyte> * configuration is even worse than nagios *laugh*
[11:46] <ajmitch> hi Burgwork 
[11:46] <Burgwork> hey ajmitch
[11:46] <theacolyte> ooo zabbix has a win32 agent
[11:46] <theacolyte> i'm sold already
[11:46] <Burgwork> our network, has fortunately, recovered from the attack of the incompetent alarms tech
[11:48] <theacolyte> Burgwork: what zabbbix version do the ubuntu repos have?
[11:48] <Burgwork> no idea
[11:48] <Burgwork> packages.ubuntu.com/zabbix will tell you
[11:49] <theacolyte> thanks
[11:49] <Burgwork> hmm, universe only
[11:49] <ivoks> oh, nice...
[11:49] <Burgwork> we need a solution in main
[11:49] <ivoks> http://www.zabbix.com/screenshots_11_screens.php - zabbix already considers croatia part of EU :)
[11:50] <ivoks> that was a joke
[11:50] <shawarma> nagios used to be in main, it seems.
[11:52] <ivoks> Burgwork: is there a strong reason why zabbix isn't in main?
[11:52] <theacolyte> here's one for you
[11:52] <theacolyte> did an apt-get install using dbconfig
[11:52] <theacolyte> Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Access denied for user 'zabbix'@'localhost' (using password: NO) in /usr/share/zabbix/include/db.inc.php on line 32
[11:53] <theacolyte> :)
[11:53] <ivoks> nice :)
[11:56] <theacolyte> excellent, and removing it and reinstalling it after manually making the database, dbconfig doesn't come back up... although that may be an ubuntu thing
[11:57] <ivoks> basicly, debconf should create DB and DB user
[11:57] <ivoks> that's not such a big deal...
[11:57] <ivoks> anything else? :)
[11:57] <theacolyte> i uninstalled the package, went to reinstall it, and it just flashed by without asking about dbconfig... answers cached someplace?
[11:58] <ivoks> yes
[11:58] <ivoks> dpkg-reconfigure will reconfigure it
[11:58] <ivoks> removing it with --purge will remove answers
[11:59] <theacolyte> why doesn't dbconfig ask for the root mysql password?
[12:00] <ivoks> theacolyte: maybe it isn't packaged well
[12:00] <theacolyte> got it
[12:00] <ivoks> i'll check it tomorrow
[12:01] <ivoks> but i think we should have something like this for next lts
[12:01] <ivoks> (like an option, ofcourse)
[12:02] <theacolyte> well
[12:02] <theacolyte> i hate zabbix already :)
[12:02] <ivoks> :)
[12:06] <shawarma> I've always like nagios-text.
[12:07] <shawarma> s/like/liked/
[12:07] <shawarma> It seems so wrong to monitor the MySQL database that your monitoring data is kept in.