[12:23] <limbert65> I've fixed the font sizes in the system menus and the window title bars, but in Mozilla and Sunbird, the menu fonts are huge, and on the desktop the icons are spaced very widely.  Don't know how to fix these.
[12:23] <limbert65> Any help appreciated.
[12:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Just the menu fonts?  Text in webpages renders properly?
[12:25] <limbert65> yes, the page fonts are fine, it's just the menu fonts, and only (as far as I can tell) in Firefox and Sunbird.  Not, oddly, in Thunderbird.
[12:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> How did you fix the font size problems in the rest of the system?
[12:43] <limbert65> Just by using the Settings Manager, under User Interface and Window manager.  Those sizes had changed to 9, and I just changed them back to 12.
[12:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you change the DPI, then the menu fonts in Firefox should return to normal.  The others would be temporarily messed up, but changing the size back would fix that.
[12:44] <limbert65> Chaning the DPI where?
[12:44] <limbert65> Changing, sorry.
[12:45] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Should be in the 'details' or 'advanced' section of the font preferences.
[12:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I'd check, but I'm using Gnome.
[12:47] <limbert65> You mean this setting should be somewhere in Xfce's preferences, or in Mozilla's?  I'm hunting, but I'm not finding anything.
[12:48] <limbert65> Under Mozilla, I'm finding only ways to change the page fonts, nothing about the menus.  Strange also that it's affecting Mozilla Firefox and Mozilla Sunbird, but is not affecting Mozilla Thunderbird (or any other app that I can find).
[12:48] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Xfce's.
[12:48] <limbert65> ok, hunting....
[12:50] <limbert65> not finding....
[12:54] <limbert65> Yeah, I'm not finding anything.  Not finding anything helpful by googling it, either.  Found one other discussion going on of a person with the same problem, and no one knowing how to fix it either.
[12:54] <limbert65> Frustrating.
[12:55] <limbert65> Just annoying in Firefox, but it makes Sunbird unusable.  Totally screws up the page formatting.
[12:55] <limbert65> Smashes things into each other.
[12:55] <limbert65> And this happened just by inserting a CD.  System totally locked up, had to force-restart.
[12:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Well, here's the config file version. http://xubuntulinux.blogspot.com/2006/07/ubuntu-set-correct-dpi-for-x-server.html
[12:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I was looking for a screenshot of the font config util, but found that first.
[12:58] <vidd_laptop> when is fiesty supposed to go live?
[12:58] <limbert65> k, I'll check that, thanks.
[12:59] <limbert65> So, what you're thinking I should do is change the DPI then change it back?
[01:02] <t3ster> hey guys
[01:02] <t3ster> i found the 704 beta im running it right now
[01:02] <vidd_laptop> *wave* t3ster
[01:03] <t3ster> problem is my graphics gForce 2 is only half correct
[01:03] <t3ster> the splash is showing up, but im getting the "no display on 0.0" error
[01:03] <t3ster> does ne1 know the next step that should fix it all the way?
[01:04] <vidd_laptop> t3ster, have you tried to reconfigure x?
[01:05] <t3ster> i did last time, but not on this beta.  you think i should run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-sxorg" ???
[01:05] <vidd_laptop> yes
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> t3ster: #ubuntu+1 for all feisty issues
[01:05] <limbert65> I'm hunting through about:config in Firefox, and interestingly there is no line for browser:display:screen_resolution.  Shouldn't there be?
[01:05] <t3ster> OK ty tony
[01:06] <limbert65> I mean browser.display.screen_resolution
[01:06] <t3ster> cant i ujust edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[01:06] <t3ster> it looked OK when i checked it   =(
[01:07] <t3ster> my display section is-
[01:08] <t3ster> Identifier	"nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] "
[01:08] <t3ster> 	Driver		"nvidia"
[01:08] <t3ster> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[01:08] <vidd_laptop> t3ster, you have 2 video cards on this box?
[01:09] <t3ster> nope not even a built in one im pretty sure
[01:09] <t3ster> its amd box
[01:09] <t3ster> and im using the glx-legacy  pak  like i should for my gForce2
[01:09] <vidd_laptop> did reconfigure x fix it on edgy?
[01:10] <t3ster> no oddly enuf i cant get it going on 611 either
[01:10] <t3ster> the 606 was doing it though
[01:10] <t3ster> i hope that helps.   ?
[01:10] <vidd_laptop> it does...acually
[01:11] <superkirbyartist> Can someone help me edit the Xfce menu, please?
[01:11] <vidd_laptop> i recomend you try to reconfigure x
[01:11] <vidd_laptop> superkirbyartist, what do you want to do with it?
[01:11] <superkirbyartist> Vidd_Laptop: I cannot edit menus such as office, graphics, etc.
[01:12] <superkirbyartist> !audacity
[01:12] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB
[01:12] <superkirbyartist> !blender
[01:12] <ubotu> blender is a free application for 3D modelling, animation, rendering, etc. You can install it from Ubuntu's repositories, and tutorials are at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
[01:12] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: they are generated automatically from the files in /usr/share/applications
[01:13] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: you can, however, add something to them -- just make a submenu that is called the same
[01:13] <vidd_laptop> >.< this aint gnome?
[01:13] <superkirbyartist> >_<
[01:13] <vidd_laptop> sorry....
[01:13] <superkirbyartist> ^_^
[01:14] <vidd_laptop> -_-
[01:14] <TheSheep> @__________________@
[01:14] <vidd_laptop> _-_
[01:15] <superkirbyartist> Anyone familiar with Criawips?
[01:15] <superkirbyartist> !criawips
[01:15] <ubotu> criawips: A Presentation application for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.11-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 176 kB
[01:17] <superkirbyartist> !vim
[01:17] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[01:17] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: aren't presentations mostly text?
[01:18] <superkirbyartist> TheSheep: The boring ones, yes.
[01:19] <superkirbyartist> TheSheep: Once we saw this presentation, litteraly 95% of the screen was filled with tiny text.  Only two or so images.
[01:20] <vidd_laptop> 95% text = instantaneous drowsiness
[01:20] <TheSheep> that's bad, of course, but having lots of images doesn't make the presentation good either
[01:20] <TheSheep> tiny text = bad
[01:20] <pygi> jani around perhaps?
[01:20] <TheSheep> the text should go into your notes and *maybe* a little of it into the handouts
[01:21] <vidd_laptop> !seen jani
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen jani - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <crdlb> vidd_laptop, use seenserv
[01:21] <pygi> !seen janimo
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen janimo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <pygi> no go :P
[01:21] <crdlb> like this: /msg seenserv seen jani
[01:22] <crdlb>  /msg seenserv seen jani
[01:22] <pygi> right, got it
[01:22] <pygi> thanks
[01:22] <pygi> over 1 day, ergh :P
[01:22] <vidd_laptop> ty crdlb
[01:22] <crdlb> just found out about it like yesterday myself
[01:23] <superkirbyartist> Anyone knows a good xubuntu presentations program, please?
[01:23] <crdlb> superkirbyartist, Powerpoint in wine :D
[01:23] <vidd_laptop> superkirbyartist, impress (OOo) works for me
[01:23] <pygi> lol
[01:23] <superkirbyartist> Will Criawips be fixed in Feisty?
[01:23] <crdlb> it's not nearly done yet
[01:24] <vidd_laptop> !criawips
[01:24] <ubotu> criawips: A Presentation application for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.11-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 176 kB
[01:24] <vidd_laptop> !impress
[01:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about impress - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:25] <vidd_laptop> =\
[01:25] <TheSheep> it's part of open office
[01:25] <vidd_laptop> i know
[01:25] <TheSheep> !openoffice-impress
[01:25] <TheSheep> !info openoffice-impress
[01:25] <ubotu> Package openoffice-impress does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[01:26] <TheSheep> :/
[01:26] <TheSheep> !openoffice.org-impress
[01:26] <vidd_laptop> !openoffice.org-impress
[01:26] <ubotu> openoffice.org-impress: OpenOffice.org office suite - presentation. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 740 kB, installed size 2732 kB
[01:26] <TheSheep> hah
[01:26] <vidd_laptop> superkirbyartist, try that
[01:26] <TheSheep> hmm... firefox3 seems to be faster
[01:27] <TheSheep> then 2
[01:27] <vidd_laptop> !firefox
[01:27] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[01:27] <superkirbyartist> vidd_laptop I need a lightweight one.
[01:27] <superkirbyartist> TheSheep Firefox 3 takes less memory?
[01:27] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: not sure
[01:27] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: didn't test that, but I've heard there is some work on it
[01:28] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: there are some obvious design mistakes that make ff take so much ram
[01:28] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: lots of them, in whole spectrum of advancement
[01:28] <vidd_laptop> and crash java?
[01:28] <superkirbyartist> TheSheep: FF is a ressource hog but not as much as IE7.  Pre-IE7s are worse.
[01:29] <vidd_laptop> hah....NOTHING is worse then IE7....imo
[01:29] <TheSheep> I still wait for them to separate the core browser from the bells and whistles and allow me to install "just browser", without themes, rss, xul, etc.
[01:29] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: ie6
[01:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> TheSheep: ie5
[01:30] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: if you ever done web development you'll know that ie7 is like salvation compared to 4, 5 and 6
[01:30] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, you think M$ is going to release "JUST" the browser??? or ff?
[01:30] <superkirbyartist> TheSheep RSS is good.
[01:30] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: ff
[01:30] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: at least I hope
[01:30] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: I prefer other apps for rss
[01:30] <superkirbyartist> TheSheep: How does it make a difference?
[01:31] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, i tried my hand at it...but i suck
[01:31] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: less cruft = more stability, less ram, more speed
[01:31] <vidd_laptop> so i will bow to your experience
[01:32] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: the day when ie6 disappears from web the designers will be dancing on the streets
[01:32] <TheSheep> and run over by trucks en masse
[01:32] <vidd_laptop> it will be a LONG way away
[01:32] <superkirbyartist> !feisty
[01:32] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[01:33] <superkirbyartist> What are new changes in Xubuntu 7.04?
[01:33] <vidd_laptop> i know hundreds of ppl still using win98
[01:33] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: doesn't matter
[01:33] <vidd_laptop> i know ppl still running 95!
[01:33] <superkirbyartist> !windows
[01:33] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[01:33] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: the boss who tells you to make the page will use ie7
[01:33] <superkirbyartist> !equivalents
[01:33] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[01:34] <TheSheep> !botabuse | superkirbyartist
[01:34] <ubotu> superkirbyartist: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[01:34] <superkirbyartist> TheSheep I am not abusing the bot... I want more info on Windows.
[01:34] <superkirbyartist> !memory
[01:34] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[01:34] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: then use /msg
[01:34] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: first warning
[01:34] <vidd_laptop> please?
[01:35] <superkirbyartist> Okay, now, where can I find presentations app?
[01:35] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep = op?
[01:35] <TheSheep> you can give the commands via private messages
[01:35] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: only here :)
[01:35] <vidd_laptop> lol....that's all that matters here!
[01:36] <vidd_laptop> so you dont think "The Boss" will care that there are thousands of ppl that wont be able to view the page you develop?
[01:37] <vidd_laptop> seems rather insane
[01:37] <superkirbyartist> Presentations... please?
[01:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The Boss can be convinved to make compromises.
[01:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> s/convinved/convinced/
[01:37] <vidd_laptop> superkirbyartist, we already made our recomendations
[01:37] <superkirbyartist> vidd_laptop?  What are they?
[01:38] <vidd_laptop> impress in OOo or wine M$'s offering
[01:38] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: he won't even know -- he's not aware that there *are* different browsers
[01:39] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: really, they usually only care how the page looks on their computer
[01:39] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: you can sometimes get away by installing firefox for them ;)
[01:39] <superkirbyartist> What about Ubuntu and PowerPC?
[01:39] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, i believe you....i dont know how many "bosses" i talk to that know jack ^%# about simple internet related things
[01:40] <superkirbyartist> And what about Xubuntu Feisty changes?
[01:40] <vidd_laptop> superkirbyartist, same recomendations for them as well
[01:40] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: then again, there those smarter ones that just want it to work on 80% of computers
[01:40] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: and it happens that 80% of computers run msie
[01:40] <superkirbyartist> What can we expect from Xubuntu Feisty?
[01:41] <vidd_laptop> superkirbyartist, for fiesty issues, please consult #ubuntu+1
[01:43] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, so what issues were there with ie6 +<?
[01:44] <vidd_laptop> from the developer's POV?
[01:44] <vidd_laptop> that IE7 fixed
[01:44] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: totally different rules for rendering pages than specified by w3c
[01:45] <vidd_laptop> w3c?
[01:45] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: starting from a different box model, through rendering bus, unsupported vital parts of the spec and finishing with custom extensions MS added
[01:45] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: World WIde Web Consortium, the organisation that standarises html, css, etc.
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> ahhh
[01:46] <TheSheep> should probably be wc ;)
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> so M$ thought it would ignore the w3c and make it's OWN rules, expecting w3c to change?
[01:47] <vidd_laptop> or to maybe make ppl only use IE?
[01:47] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: no idea, ask Steve
[01:48] <vidd_laptop> i love it when ppl call up and say "Myfront page extensions dont work" and they hosted on a linux server
[01:48] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: I think it was in large part the fact that w3c based the specification on netscape in large part
[01:48] <vidd_laptop> ^are hosted^
[01:49] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: it doesn't matter how they are hosted -- it works on the client's machine, no? unless you mean ASP or something
[01:49] <vidd_laptop> no idea....i just get the calls and i tell them we dont support front page extensions AT ALL
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> then they expect us to jump thru hoops to get thier stuff to work
[01:53] <TheSheep> :)
[01:53] <TheSheep> that's understandable
[01:54] <TheSheep> users don't care about some corporate machinations
[01:54] <TheSheep> they just want things working
[01:54] <vidd_laptop> "Please read sub-paragraph E, section 3 of theservice agreement....'At no time shall Front page extentions or any other non-standard protocols be supported'"
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> then they say "well i want to be on a windows server then"....
[01:56] <vidd_laptop> "thats your choice....but front page extentions are not guarenteed there either
[01:56] <vidd_laptop> "so how do i get front page extention to work"
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> "co-locate a box, and run your own server"
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> its only and addition 125$ a month....
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> would you like me to tranfer you to sales?
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> lol
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> acually...i dont know what the cost is to co-locate a box....its sales job to talk about that
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> quiet day here
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> I have some transparency options set right now, and don't remember how I got them, but need to turn them off b/c my video driver is complaining.  Where is that?
[03:22] <ormiret> window manager settings?
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> nope
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> tweaks
[03:25] <ormiret> I was close :)
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> yep - close enough for me to find it :)
[03:32] <Jester45> can more than one program use the same port?
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> not simultaneously
[03:33] <Jester45> do want to help me fix a double NAT problem?
[03:34] <Jester45> my modem and router both have NAT either can be turned off
[03:34] <Jester45> right now im tring to forward all ports to my router and then spliT THOSE PORTS OFF to the needed computers
[04:28] <sigmamu188> dose anyone know how to switch the default monitor in twinview
[04:28] <sigmamu188> the one i want to be default is the second moniter
[04:28] <sigmamu188> and i really dont want to use the flat panel as the extra
[04:29] <crdlb> !twinview
[04:29] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[04:29] <crdlb> sigmamu188, have you followed that guide?
[04:29] <sigmamu188> no i used the nvidia guide
[04:29] <sigmamu188> got the dual moniters set up
[04:29] <sigmamu188> but i can figure how to set the flatpanel as the default
[04:29] <sigmamu188> and the crt as the 2nd
[04:30] <kalikiana_> !mozilla-browser
[04:30] <ubotu> mozilla-browser: The Mozilla Internet application suite - core and browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.7.13-0.2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 9797 kB, installed size 29720 kB
[04:34] <ormiret> sigmamu188: I think it will be which monitor you set up as Screen 0 in the server layout section
[04:37] <sigmamu188> it shows sreeen 0 and screen 1
[04:37] <sigmamu188> but no setting to switch them
[04:37] <sigmamu188> i dont think
[04:38] <sigmamu188> under desktop preferences
[04:39] <ormiret> which is which is set in xorg.conf (and I don't think you actually set them in serverlayout now that I've thought about it a bit more...)
[04:40] <ormiret> stick your xorg.conf in pastebin and I'll have a look to see what changes switch what is screen 0
[04:41] <sigmamu188> paste bin
[04:41] <sigmamu188> ?
[04:41] <sigmamu188> new to me
[04:42] <ormiret> !pastebin
[04:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:43] <sigmamu188> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12094/
[04:46] <Shaba1> Hello all
[04:46] <sigmamu188> ormiret: im running a nvidia card with dvi and vga output
[04:46] <Shaba1> are there any step by step sites for doing a live cd install of xubuntu?
[04:46] <Shaba1> I am not finding any at the official site
[04:46] <sigmamu188> i what the dvi to be screen 0
[04:47] <sigmamu188> Shaba1: frist linux intsall?
[04:47] <Shaba1> yeah
[04:47] <Shaba1> Well no
[04:47] <Shaba1> first one for myself
[04:48] <tonyyarusso> Okay, you guys know the Orage calendar applet?  Would it be terribly hard to make the tray icon show the correct day of the month instead of just 31 all the time?
[04:48] <Shaba1> I tried installing unbuntu on the machines at work becasue they were too cheap to by 15 windows licences
[04:48] <Shaba1> But I finally gave up
[04:48] <Shaba1> MS agent will not work under wine
[04:48] <Shaba1> and the web site out kids need to go to has to have that.
[04:48] <Shaba1> for tutoring
[04:48] <Shaba1> Anyway no
[04:48] <Shaba1> but first xunbuntu install
[04:49] <Shaba1> I am downloading the live cd now
[04:49] <sigmamu188> shaba1: are you just wanting to run it as a live cd or do you want to hard install it?
[04:49] <Shaba1> I been fighting with 3 live cd of unbuntu for 5 hours now
[04:49] <Shaba1> until someone in #unbuntu told me I did not have enough ram on my laptop
[04:49] <Shaba1> No I want to install it
[04:50] <sigmamu188> shaba1: do you have a open partition on the laptop?
[04:50] <sigmamu188> you need a non NTFS partition
[04:50] <BFTD> isn't it with ubuntu-minimal and then upgrade from within
[04:50] <Shaba1> and I NEED to be able to run grub to make a linux/xubuntu partion
[04:50] <Shaba1> just like a Edgy install
[04:50] <BFTD> install*
[04:50] <sigmamu188> shsab1: you cant install on NTFS partition
[04:50] <Shaba1> OH shit
[04:50] <Shaba1> damn
[04:51] <Shaba1> this is too damn hard
[04:51] <Shaba1> it just is
[04:51] <Shaba1> I mean I love what I see in linux
[04:51] <sigmamu188> NTFS is a propriety file system that linux cant write to
[04:51] <Shaba1> but this is gettin getting frustrating
[04:51] <sigmamu188> i think you can repartition with partition magic
[04:51] <sigmamu188> without losing data
[04:51] <BFTD> !language : Shaba1
[04:51] <BFTD> !vmware
[04:51] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[04:51] <Shaba1> yeah if I want to spend $79
[04:52] <sigmamu188> try torrentreactor
[04:52] <sigmamu188> if you dont mind cracked software
[04:52] <sigmamu188> i would ~never~ run craked software
[04:52] <Shaba1> so xunbuntu does not come with gparted?
[04:52] <Shaba1> is that correct?
[04:52] <sigmamu188> i think it dose
[04:53] <sigmamu188> but you will probably lose data
[04:53] <Shaba1> think sigmamu188
[04:53] <Shaba1> sorry not to be rude
[04:53] <Shaba1> but I am realy frustrated right about now
[04:53] <Shaba1> I need to KNOW
[04:53] <sigmamu188> i was trying to think of a windows way to do it
[04:53] <Shaba1> according to the ubuntu site I can do it from the livecD
[04:54] <Shaba1> On a livecd install it runs gparted and lets you repartion the primary hard drive
[04:54] <sigmamu188> i don't know if you can repartition without losing data from the live cd
[04:54] <Shaba1> according to the gparted site
[04:54] <Shaba1> you can resize and ntfs partition
[04:55] <sigmamu188> is that where you coming into the problem?
[04:55] <sigmamu188> just running gparted
[04:55] <Shaba1> I am coming into problems just getting install to run
[04:55] <sigmamu188> or are you trying to resize from the install screen?
[04:56] <Shaba1> on these 3 ubuntu livecds I have
[04:56] <sigmamu188> at the select partition to install?
[04:56] <Shaba1> I never get that far
[04:56] <sigmamu188> how far do you get?
[04:56] <Shaba1> farthest I have gotten is the Where are you located screen and then the desktop locks up and the mouse does not respong
[04:57] <Shaba1> and I have to reboot
[04:58] <sigmamu188> did you checkmedia before the install
[04:58] <sigmamu188> ?
[04:59] <sigmamu188> run the xubuntu cd at boot
[04:59] <sigmamu188> and select the media check
[04:59] <sigmamu188> or check media
[04:59] <sigmamu188> or something like that
[05:00] <sigmamu188> and if 0 checksum
[05:00] <sigmamu188> then the cd is good and try to install
[05:00] <sigmamu188> but it will not let you resize or install to ntfs file system with the cd
[05:00] <sigmamu188> or rather install prompt
[05:00] <sigmamu188> i know for a fact
[05:01] <sigmamu188> been there done that
[05:01] <Shaba1> sigmamu188.
[05:01] <Shaba1> I am still downloading the xbuntu live cd
[05:01] <Shaba1> as I said before
[05:01] <Shaba1> I have been trying 3 unbuntu live cds all day
[05:01] <sigmamu188> look pal im just trying to help
[05:01] <Shaba1> until finally someone in the channel told me that I do nto have enough ram
[05:01] <Shaba1> and suggested xubuntu
[05:01] <sigmamu188> run a media check on the live cd
[05:02] <sigmamu188> how much ram do you have?
[05:02] <ormiret> Shaba1: if the problems are lack of RAM you probably wont get on any better with the Xubuntu live CD than the ubuntu ones - the alternate CD has lower memory requirements but no graphical interface
[05:02] <Shaba1> I know
[05:02] <Shaba1> but you are not listening
[05:02] <Shaba1> and I am frustrated
[05:02] <Shaba1> and I hate repeating myself
[05:03] <Shaba1> especially when I am frustrated
[05:04] <sigmamu188> i am listening
[05:04] <sigmamu188> brb have to reboot
[05:04] <Shaba1> ok
[05:04] <Shaba1> thanks
[05:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What was the problem?
[05:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The original problem, I mean.
[05:05] <Shaba1> Uggg
[05:06] <Shaba1> damn orimet now somone tells me this
[05:07] <ormiret> how much RAM have you got?
[05:08] <ormiret> wb sigmamu188, any luck?
[05:08] <sigmamu188> no
[05:08] <sigmamu188> but i think i might have found a solution
[05:09] <sigmamu188> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[05:09] <sigmamu188> just trying to emplement now
[05:09] <Shaba1> 256mb
[05:10] <ormiret> It was the Xinerama way that I was thinking of for a start, twinview seems to automagically do some of it, which is great until it automagically doesn't do what you want :)
[05:10] <ormiret> Shaba1: that should be enough to run the Xubuntu Live CD.
[05:10] <Shaba1> well I will let you know
[05:11] <Shaba1> that is not the problem
[05:11] <Shaba1> I want :
[05:11] <Shaba1> #1 run the livecd
[05:11] <Shaba1> #2 use grub to resize my windows partion
[05:12] <Shaba1> #3 put xubuntu onto that space I have opened up
[05:12] <Shaba1> #4 get a menu at boot as to which os I want to start
[05:12] <ormiret> grub is a bootloader, not for resizing partitions - gparted is integrated into the installer but I'm not sure how good it is at resizing NTFS while keeping the data intact.
[05:13] <ormiret> grub is what gives you the menu at bootup to choose what OS you want
[05:14] <Shaba1> I should have type "use gparted to resize my windows partion"
[05:15] <ormiret> looks like it should work from the installer, but as with all things playing with partitions things sometimes go wrong so make backups of anything important before you start.
[05:16] <sigmamu188> he is running NTFS
[05:17] <ormiret> yeah, apparently ntfsresize is integrated into the installer.
[05:17] <Shaba1> I got everything copied to this desktop
[05:17] <Shaba1> so not a problem
[05:17] <Shaba1> it was lucky to because I tried partiton logic on friday and it wiped out my laptop hd
[05:18] <Shaba1> I had to install windows from the recovery cd
[05:21] <sigmamu188> bout to re boot
[05:21] <sigmamu188> not sure if i did this right
[05:25] <Shaba1> the xubuntu live cd is burning now
[05:26] <sigmamu188> ok didnt work
[05:27] <sigmamu188> it gave me an error message
[05:27] <sigmamu188> and i would not load up the gui
[05:28] <ormiret> what was the error? and can you put the new xorg.conf in the pastebin?
[05:29] <sigmamu188> lol
[05:29] <sigmamu188> i lost it
[05:29] <sigmamu188> had to restore the backup
[05:29] <sigmamu188> let me re write what i wrote and paste it
[05:29] <ormiret> :)
[05:30] <ormiret> It's time like this I think /etc should have a version control system.
[05:30] <rici> indeed
[05:31] <rici> a subversion mount, maybe :)
[05:37] <sigmamu188> !pastbin
[05:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:38] <sigmamu188> !pastebin
[05:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:39] <Shaba1> grrr
[05:39] <Shaba1> ok
[05:39] <sigmamu188> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12098/
[05:39] <Shaba1> problem
[05:40] <Shaba1> I just burned the xbuntu live cd
[05:40] <Shaba1> put in in the laptop
[05:40] <sigmamu188> ormiret: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12098/
[05:40] <Shaba1> not I get a [DR-DOS] A:\ prompt
[05:41] <Shaba1> What is that about
[05:41] <ormiret> sigmamu188: your "Device[0] " section is missing an S for section
[05:41] <ormiret> that shouldn't get you to a DOS prompt though :/
[05:42] <ormiret> bah sorry I'm confusing people
[05:42] <ormiret> Shaba1: is there anything in the floppy drive?
[05:43] <Shaba1> no
[05:43] <Shaba1> there is not floppy drive
[05:43] <sigmamu188> brb
[05:44] <ormiret> how did you burn the ISO?
[05:44] <Shaba1> using nero
[05:44] <ormiret> if you look at the CD in windows what does it show as on it?
[05:45] <Shaba1> hold on now I gotta boot windows
[05:45] <Shaba1> this is too damn hard
[05:49] <Shaba1> it says "xubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso"
[05:50] <ormiret> you haven't burned the disk properly then, hang on a minute I'll try and get instructions for nero.
[05:51] <Shaba1> nero 6
[05:51] <Shaba1> and does it make a difference if it is a cd-r or cd-rw?
[05:52] <ron_o> it shouldn't Shaba1, but if you have many problems you might be better off with cd-r.
[05:52] <ron_o> I use cd-rw all the time with no problems at all.
[05:54] <ormiret> Shaba1: is there a "Burn image" in the file menu of your version of nero? (none of the instructions I can find give a version)
[05:56] <ormiret> ah, found one for 6: http://iso.snoekonline.com/iso.htm#Nero%20Burning%20ROM
[05:58] <sigmamu188> fixed the s and still would not work
[05:58] <ormiret> what error are you getting?
[05:58] <sigmamu188> xorg.conf video card error
[05:58] <sigmamu188> have to reconfigure the vid card
[05:58] <sigmamu188> just like the driver error
[05:59] <sigmamu188> i used to get
[05:59] <sigmamu188> used sudo dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xconf
[05:59] <sigmamu188> err
[05:59] <sigmamu188> -xorg
[05:59] <sigmamu188> nog -xconf
[05:59] <sigmamu188> not*
[06:00] <Shaba1> hold on I will try to find it
[06:01] <ormiret> sigmamu188: can you got a copy of the working xorg.conf that dpkg-reconfigure produces?
[06:01] <sigmamu188> yes
[06:01] <sigmamu188> let me do that now
[06:01] <sigmamu188> brb
[06:03] <Shaba1> disk image ormiret
[06:04] <ormiret> what? is that the closest you can find? For nero 6 there should be a "Burn Image..." option in the recorder menu.
[06:04] <ormiret> http://iso.snoekonline.com/iso.htm#Nero%20Burning%20ROM
[06:08] <sigmamu188> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12099/
[06:08] <sigmamu188> thats the rebuild
[06:10] <sigmamu188> this is the error log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12100/
[06:10] <rici> ormiret: i think some oem versions of nero are lacking that feature.
[06:10] <rici> "Nero Express"
[06:12] <sigmamu188> brb ormiret
[06:14] <ormiret> Shaba1: if you do have a version of nero without iso burnign capabilities like rici said follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[06:15] <rici> i used infrarecorder. it was painless.
[06:15] <rici> after spending probably an hour trying to figure out why nero wouldn't do it. :)
[06:18] <sigmamu188> ormiret: any guesses?
[06:30] <sigmamu188> this is driving me nuts
[06:31] <ormiret> sigmamu188: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12102/ is what I think it should be...
[06:32] <sigmamu188> ok ill reboot and let you know
[06:32] <sigmamu188> thanks
[06:35] <sigmamu188> no dice
[06:35] <sigmamu188> still backwards
[06:35] <rici> what happens?
[06:35] <sigmamu188> the dvi is still the 2nd moniter
[06:35] <sigmamu188> and the vga 1st
[06:38] <sigmamu188> i switched screen 1 and 0 in the identifier section
[06:38] <sigmamu188> let me see if that works
[06:39] <sigmamu188> brb
[06:39] <rici> i would have thought that he wanted RightOf instead of LeftOf
[06:39] <rici> but that's based on english, not xinerama, so i could be completely wrong.
[06:40] <ormiret> I don't think that will change which pipe is used for the default just where in the coords the default screen is put.
[06:41] <Shaba1> this seems to be working Orionisti
[06:41] <Shaba1> ormiret
[06:41] <Shaba1> I mean
[06:42] <ormiret> Shaba1: excellent!
[06:43] <Shaba1> actually I am quiting the install
[06:43] <Shaba1> In order to use gparted for a live cd
[06:45] <ormiret> is gparted not on the Xubuntu live CD?
[06:55] <Shaba1> well it did have a partioning program
[06:55] <Shaba1> but I did not know if it is gparted
[06:55] <Shaba1> so I am canceling the install
[06:55] <Shaba1> and using a gparted livecd
[06:56] <ormiret> yeah, probably best to err on the side of caution when partitioning :)
[06:56] <rici> definitely
[06:56] <rici> i was pleasantly surprised to find that windows vista lets you resize ntfs partitions
[06:58] <rici> hey, do you know anything about thermal monitoring? this CPU has been showing exactly 40.0 degrees since i started it up a couple of weeks ago, which seems wrong.
[06:58] <rici> the bios itself is locked with a password so i can't verify it at reboot.
[06:59] <rici> if i didn't have to give the machine back, i'd figure out how to delete the password.
[07:03] <ormiret> The extent of my thermal monitoring experience is putting my hand near the airvent to see if the machine is running hot...
[07:03] <rici> yeah, i did that and it is.
[07:03] <rici> so 40 just seems wrong.
[07:04] <sigmamu188> im at a loss
[07:04] <sigmamu188> there has to be a way to switch moniter 0 and 1 positions
[07:05] <ormiret> sigmamu188: I think I might have found a solution, if you go back to the TwinView set up that was working and add a line Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP,CRT"
[07:05] <ormiret> in the Section "Device"
[07:06] <sigmamu188> int he xorg.conf?
[07:06] <ormiret> yep
[07:06] <sigmamu188> whicih section device?
[07:06] <sigmamu188> both?
[07:06] <ormiret> with TwinView there should only be one
[07:07] <ormiret> this is going back quite a bit...
[07:07] <sigmamu188> oh so load the old file?
[07:08] <ormiret> yeah
[07:12] <sigmamu188> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12104/ is what i have after sudo nvidia-xconfig -Twinview
[07:12] <sigmamu188> i have 2 device sections
[07:14] <ormiret> That's just added TwinView to what you had before...
[07:15] <sigmamu188> ahhh
[07:15] <sigmamu188> hold on
[07:16] <ormiret> I think you want something like: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12107/
[07:17] <sigmamu188> so in the section device for "generic video card"
[07:17] <sigmamu188> ?
[07:17] <ormiret> I put it in the Section "Screen" with the other options
[07:19] <sigmamu188> done
[07:19] <sigmamu188> brb reboot
[07:20] <t3ster> hey, im trying to launch quake.x11. i have an "id1" directry with my wads in there, lowercase names, i try to launch it from inside the directory- like-  ./quake.x11 , but when i try that , it says cannot launch no such file or directory EVEN THOUGH its autocompleting the name
[07:20] <t3ster> what the heck is going on????   =S
[07:22] <ormiret> odd, can you put the output of 'ls -l' for that directory in the pastebin?
[07:22] <t3ster> all owned by root
[07:22] <ormiret> what about permissions?
[07:23] <t3ster> -rwxr-xr-x is the perms on the quake.x11
[07:23] <t3ster> bash gives error on them too
[07:23] <t3ster> ?
[07:24] <ormiret> which them? and what error?
[07:24] <t3ster> ive also tried squake
[07:25] <t3ster> thinking OK maybe x isnt liking it
[07:25] <t3ster> cant get either to go
[07:27] <ormiret> so I am kind of stabbing in the dark for what might be wrong...
[07:31] <t3ster> and i can launch the readmes and things in this directory
[07:31] <t3ster> it is only when i try to execute the ones from ID
[07:31] <t3ster> i have tyr-quake too I try & that half goes then dies =(
[07:32] <t3ster> er
[07:32] <t3ster> i CANT execute the ones from id. it says theres nothing there even tho it has a size and perms
[07:34] <t3ster> is it because i have it all sitting inside dir sitting on desktop?
[07:34] <sigmamu188> didnt work
[07:34] <t3ster> does it Have to b in /usr/local/games/quake?
[07:35] <sigmamu188> wouldnt even boot
[07:35] <sigmamu188> had to use recovery mode to dpkg-reconfigure
[07:35] <t3ster> ill try coping the dir
[07:36] <ormiret> sigmamu188: hmmm, that option maybe should be in the device section...
[07:36] <sigmamu188> said fatal error string 11
[07:51] <sigmamu188> thanks for all the help i guess ill just have to keep working on it tomorrow i need to get some sleep
[07:51] <sigmamu188> work in 4 hours
[07:51] <sigmamu188> ugggg
[07:52] <sigmamu188> maybe ill just call miller tomorrow
[07:52] <sigmamu188> ormiret: thanks for all the help
[07:52] <ormiret> np, hope you get it working.
[07:52] <sigmamu188> thanks ill let you know
[07:53] <sigmamu188> you usually on with that name?
[07:53] <ormiret> yes
[07:53] <sigmamu188> ill let you knwo
[07:53] <sigmamu188> night all
[08:05] <Darkkish> giam keeps crashing
[08:05] <Darkkish> at random
[08:05] <Darkkish> Like one moment i'll be talking, and then bam, gaim is gone.
[08:48] <Shaba1> anyone still here?
[08:57] <rici> i am, but i'm leaving soon too
[09:04] <Shaba1> rici
[09:04] <Shaba1> Do you know anything about gparted
[09:05] <Shaba1> I resized my windows ntsf partition to clear up 11.2gb of unallocated space
[09:10] <rici> and?
[09:35] <Shaba1> never mind
[09:35] <Shaba1> I just went for it if it messes up it does
[12:42] <rimmington> besides updated apps (which are available via apt anyway) will there be any compelling reason to upgrade to 7.04?
[02:10] <mstf> hii
[02:11] <mstf> i have a problem about vbox
[02:11] <mstf> to add vbox graphic driver
[02:11] <mstf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12136/
[02:12] <mstf> which package to install on synapt?
[02:12] <mstf> Please install the build and header files for your current Linux kernel.
[02:12] <mstf> The current kernel version is 2.6.15-28-386
[02:53] <liutis> all are sitting in silent.. ;)
[04:54] <judaz> hey, i need help.. How can I navigate a samba server with xubuntu feisty?
[04:54] <judaz> sorry
[04:54] <judaz> a workgroup
[04:54] <judaz> i need to get inside other computer... in a lan
[04:58] <j1mc> judaz: google for fusesmb xubuntu samba.  :-)  there's a good thread on the forums about it.
[06:49] <h00t>  hello i've installed totem-xine w/ w32codecs but still can't play avi files ... anyone has any ideas
[06:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Did you install libxine-extracodecs?
[06:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info libxine-extracodecs
[06:54] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[08:36] <chooser> Evening :) Tell me, does xubuntu detect and allow mounting of other partitions yet?
[08:38] <maxamillion> chooser: it always has
[08:38] <maxamillion> chooser: it just doesn't do so automatically
[08:39] <chooser> Hmm.. Ok. I'll try cd again and check fstab. thankyou
[08:40] <maxamillion> chooser: no problem
[09:49] <esc> hi
[09:49] <esc> i need help
[09:50] <esc> i have just added a user with the root recovery shell
[09:50] <esc> and now i can't start any of the guis with that user
[09:50] <esc> even though i have added that user to sudoers
[09:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> guis == administrative applications?
[09:52] <esc> yes
[09:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Is the new user in the admin group?
[09:52] <esc> hmm probably not
[09:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> By default, sudoers includes all members of that group.
[09:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Adding the new user should be enough.
[09:54] <esc> hmm, there is no "admin" group in /etc/group
[09:56] <esc> ok, i think that i'm gonna reinstall instead of fixing this shit
[09:56] <esc> for the 4th time tonight, geez, this ubuntu keeps getting wors thank god i don't use it myself anymore
[11:58] <marcicito> hi
[12:00] <maxamillion> hello
[12:01] <marcicito> i need some help
[12:02] <maxamillion> !ask
[12:02] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:04] <marcicito> i want to create a folder who can be readed and written by me and my brother, but we have different sessions
[12:04] <marcicito> a shared folder
[12:06] <marcicito> anybody knows how to create a shared, writeable folder?
[12:07] <maxamillion> marcicito: create the folder and then open a terminal and do "chmod 777 folderName/" where folderName is the name you call the folder you create (you might want to make it at /home/ or something)
[12:07] <maxamillion> marcicito: be patient
[12:09] <marcicito> im at /home... but i can't even create a folder there. there are only the user's folders
[12:09] <maxamillion> marcicito: open a terminal and do "sudo mkdir /home/folderName" (it will ask for your password)
[12:10] <marcicito> :) let's see
[12:10] <maxamillion> marcicito: and then do "sudo chmod 777 /home/folderName"
[12:10] <maxamillion> marcicito: and all should be well
[12:14] <marcicito> yeap...but what's the difference between the terminal and the desktop enviroment, which didn't let me create a folder?
[12:14] <marcicito> i am admin only in the bash?
[12:17] <maxamillion> marcicito: until you add someone else, yes
[12:17] <maxamillion> marcicito: the desktop environment only has your user's privilages and in the command line you can run "sudo" which gives you root privilages
[12:19] <marcicito> i'ts been two days using linux and i've learned more than ten years using windows :P
[12:22] <maxamillion> marcicito: good systems tend to do that to you