[12:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: long time
[12:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: about 16 hours paris to madrid, anther two or three to sevilla
[12:14] <[ade] > 24 hours even for me, and i think 27 for riddell (guessing times edb-london-brussel)
[12:14] <Riddell> yep
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: ouch......... I'll probably consider plane then ;)
[12:15] <Riddell> but I have a good book and good company (especially so if sebas and [ade]  come along)
[12:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: fine, just have a good excuse for your children when they ask why the planet is all dead!
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there any reason not to take the plane I might know ?
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: indeed, I should consider train then.......
[12:17] <Riddell> no airport hassle, nice snooze on the way, planet earth survives
[12:17] <Riddell> get to see a bit of paris and madrid
[12:17] <Riddell> let me know if you want my times so you can try and book the same trains
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup that'd be nice
[12:18] <Tonio_> just contacted dione@eyas, I'll re-email to ask for train
[12:18] <Riddell> e-mailed
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: eventually, should I ask for the same train than you ? if you already have the train number...
[12:19] <[ade] > train is 2x as expensive as flying
[12:19] <[ade] > that's an issue.
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: will canonical accept train then ?
[12:21] <[ade] > i made the mistake of asking, don't you do the same
[12:21] <[ade] > !bedtime
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bedtime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:49] <giangy> mh
[12:49] <giangy> I upgraded to the latest qt put into feisty
[12:49] <giangy> and I have *something* broken
[12:52] <Riddell> giangy: upgrade kdelibs and kde-style-polyester too
[12:54] <giangy> Riddell: well, 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9
[12:54] <giangy> is the latest version available in my rep
[12:54] <giangy> it.archive.*
[12:57] <giangy> Riddell: ok, changed to en.* :)
[01:00] <Tonio__> another disconnection :'(
[01:00] <Tonio__> Riddell: thanks for the infos, I'll go with eyas and train then
[02:19] <naught101> did anyone else notice that the laptop in the corner of this picture is running windowsXP?
[02:19] <naught101> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-beta.php
[03:25] <manchicken> digiKam is by far the coolest program available for digital photo management.
[03:25] <Jucato> :)
[04:15] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[04:39] <Jucato> Hobbsee: did you make it to your meeting? :D
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, most of it :)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Jucato: then went back to sleep
[04:39] <Jucato> hehe :)
[04:39] <Jucato> lol
[04:40] <Jucato> sexy UK accent wasn't enough to keep you awake? :D
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:40] <Hobbsee> it was over IRC
[04:40] <Hobbsee> and i sent the phonecall to voicemail
[04:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: btw, you have kdmtheme installed right? could you confirm something for me? In System Settings -> Appearance -> KDM Theme Manager has no Administrator Mode button
[04:41] <Jucato> hahah!
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: uh, correct
[04:42] <Jucato> :)
[04:43] <Jucato> seems like my "patch" to re-include Launch Feedback in System Settings hasn't been applied yet either... :)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> seems os
[04:46] <Hobbsee> not sure what's happening
[05:09] <yuriy> Jucato: yeah i can confirm that too (from trying it earlier)
[05:09] <Jucato> hi yuriy! :)
[06:17] <Hobbsee> could we make strigi work with kde help stuff, so that we dont need the htdig?
[08:06] <[ade] > Hobbsee: i think that's the plan for kde4 at least
[08:07] <Hobbsee> [ade] : true.
[08:07] <Jucato> [ade]  is in here? wow!! O.O
[08:08] <[ade] > yes, your favorite "linux sucks" kde person :)
[08:08] <Jucato> hehe :)
[08:08] <Jucato> as long as it's not "kde sucks", it's fine by me :D
[08:08] <Jucato> hm.. "kde sucks" sounds like one of those, what do you call 'em? oxymorons? :D
[08:09] <[ade] > i was thinking in the shower that i need to read up on kubuntu terminology -- i usually just let sebas update my kubuntu laptop.
[08:09] <[ade] > "kde sucks" is on the front page of kde-apps.org
[08:09] <Jucato> O.o
[08:10] <Jucato> lol never noticed :D
[11:09] <giangy> 'morning
[11:12] <Hobbsee> heya
[11:14] <Riddell> ug
[11:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ?
[11:15] <Riddell> soar throat
[11:15] <ajmitch> hi Riddell
[11:15] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[12:08] <hunger> Is qt3 fixed now?
[12:09] <Jucato> yesh
[12:09] <hunger> Great, thanks!
[12:09] <Jucato> all's fine here. (thank you Riddell)
[12:09] <Riddell> phew
[12:09] <Jucato> hunger: if you're talking about the KDE styles
[12:09] <hunger> Jucato: I am.
[12:09] <Jucato> ah ok. then the updates I got 10 hours ago fixed those
[12:10] <Jucato> (hello Plastik and Polyester!)
[12:11] <Jucato> oh btw, Riddell, got claydoh's email?
[12:11] <Riddell> Jucato: "Kubuntu DVD link pointss to Ubuntu's image file"?
[12:11] <Jucato> yep
[12:11] <Riddell> should be fixed
[12:11] <Jucato> ah kool :)
[12:12] <_StefanS_> what ?
[12:12] <Jucato> oh krap why _StefanS_ hehe sorry :)
[12:12] <Jucato> no nothing for you today :D
[12:12] <_StefanS_> heh ok
[12:12] <Jucato> oh oh now I remember :D
[12:12] <Jucato> _StefanS_: remember the modified kde-systemsettings.menu?
[12:13] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ah yep
[12:13] <Jucato> just wondering where it ended up :)
[12:13] <_StefanS_> well I think I gave it to Tonio_
[12:13] <_StefanS_> cant remember really
[12:14] <Jucato> aah. ok 2 points to ask Tonio :D
[12:14] <_StefanS_> lemme check my history
[12:14] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ok. thanks. sorry for bothering
[12:15] <kwwii> erm, what happened to my feisty? I wake up this morning and the style is gone ;-(
[12:15] <kwwii> where oh where is polyester?
[12:15] <hunger> kwwii: Update Qt.
[12:15] <Jucato> :D
[12:15] <Jucato> update again.
[12:16] <hunger> kwwii: Yesterday a bad one caused that problem for me, too. Jucato reports that it is fixed in the newest update.
[12:16] <_StefanS_> hunger: and ugly.
[12:16] <Jucato> _StefanS_: Tm_T thinks differently :D
[12:19] <Riddell> it's not dotnet style
[12:21] <kwwii> brb, restarting kde
[12:24] <kwwii> much better, thanks :-)
[12:24] <kwwii> so what does everyone think of the color scheme?
[12:25] <kwwii> it is getting kinda late in the game, so if anything should be changed say so now or forever hold your peace
[12:26] <hunger> kwwii: The only thing I'd like to see would be for the buttons on the side of the konqui sidebar and in kdevelop to look more like tabs.
[12:27] <hunger> active tabs have a blue bar, those buttons are just darker when active.
[12:27] <kwwii> hunger: I can see that point....but unfortunately unless it is a simple artwork problem I cannot change anything in that respect
[12:28] <hunger> kwwii: Apart from that the current style looks really nice to me.
[12:42] <rbrunhuber> Since yesterdays update my kde has cde as widget style, anyone else?
[12:42] <Riddell> update kdelibs too
[12:44] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: Normally I always do a aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade.
[12:44] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: Seems I updated before kdelibs hit the repo. So i missed this update.
[12:51] <Tonio__> hi guys
[12:52] <giangy> hi Tonio_
[12:54] <Jucato> hi Tonio_!
[12:55] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio_!
[12:55] <Tonio_> hey giangy, Jucato, Hobbsee ;)
[12:56] <Jucato> Tonio_: are you free for 2 System Settings questions? :D
[12:57] <Tonio_> Jucato: yup
[12:58] <Jucato> Tonio_: ok. 1st would be a bug: the Administrator Mode button is missing in the KDM Theme Manager module in System Settings
[12:58] <Tonio_> let me look
[12:59] <Tonio_> true......
[01:00] <Tonio_> hum........ strange, works in kcontrol.....
[01:00] <Jucato> yeah
[01:00] <Tonio_> probably need to ping _Sime_ concerning this..... I don't know if there is a difference in the way systemsettings deals with that
[01:00] <Tonio_> _Sime_ or sebas I'd say....
[01:02] <Tonio_> Jucato: can be due to one thing : It is in a subsection
[01:02] <Jucato> if it matters at all, when I sort of modified kde-systemsettings.menu to include it in the Advanced tab, the button was there
[01:02] <Tonio_> lemme test
[01:02] <Jucato> ah yeah... when I did the above, it was a separate module
[01:02] <Tonio_> let's put it under appearance and see
[01:03] <Tonio_> Jucato: note that in kcontrol too it is under a subsection : sysadmin
[01:04] <Jucato> Tonio_: ah I meant that when I modified the .menu file, I just put it on the same level as the Login Manager, not under a sub-section
[01:05] <Tonio_> Jucato: that's i
[01:05] <Tonio_> it
[01:05] <Tonio_> Jucato: can you report a systemettigns ug concerning this ?
[01:06] <Tonio_> Jucato: systemsettings should deal with the admin switch in subsections
[01:06] <Jucato> in LP right?
[01:06] <Tonio_> Jucato: wait : just test network config : works there for samba....
[01:06] <Tonio_> strange.........
[01:06] <Jucato> hm..
[01:07] <Tonio_> try share, sorry
[01:07] <Jucato> what did you patch to put kdmtheme under Appearance? the .desktop file?
[01:07] <Tonio_> Jucato: in appearance, try font installer, you can switch to admin
[01:08] <Tonio_> Jucato: yeah the desktop file
[01:08] <Tonio_> kdmtheme.desktop
[01:08] <Tonio_> so fontinstaller works in appearance/appearance
[01:08] <Jucato> really weird... :/
[01:08] <Tonio_> kdmtheme doesn't
[01:08] <Tonio_> but works at the root of the section.......
[01:08] <Tonio_> weird ;)
[01:09] <Jucato> btw, is the box with the "Click on Administrator Mode" in kdmtheme too big on your system too?
[01:09] <Jucato> on mine it takes up half the window
[01:11] <Tonio_> Jucato: yeah, but that's not the reason.....
[01:11] <Jucato> yeah. totally unrelated :)
[01:11] <Tonio_> Jucato: button mode is displayed by systemsettings if the kcm file is supposed to use it
[01:12] <Tonio_> somehow systemsettings misses it......... but why ?
[01:12] <Tonio_> Jucato: confirming it works with font installer ?
[01:12] <Tonio_> same subsection appearance
[01:13] <Jucato> yep
[01:14] <Tonio_> looking at kss code....
[01:15] <Riddell> ooh, Tonio_, did you do the bluetooth patch?
[01:15] <Tonio_> ./systemsettings/kcmultiwidget.cpp:             cm.adminmode = true;
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: previous one yes
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: no news from allee, and I don't know what is the problem since it perfectly works here
[01:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: did he told you what needs changing according to him ?
[01:16] <allee> Tonio_: ?
[01:16] <Tonio_> allee you talked about that on friday right ?
[01:16] <Tonio_> allee that the patch I added isn't valid
[01:16] <allee> Tonio_: uhm, right there was something.
[01:17] <Tonio_> Jucato: what is strange is this : kss sees that the module needs admin mode, since it displays the admin advertisment
[01:17] <Tonio_> Jucato: but not the button.....
[01:17] <Tonio_> and there is only one test in the sources...
[01:17] <Jucato> yeah... totally strange...
[01:17] <allee> Tonio_: ah, the test for string PIN: is wrong.  Well, it accepts more or less everything as frist chars instead of insisting on 'PIN:'
[01:18] <Tonio_> alleewhich test is to be done then ?
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: that kss bug is weird ;)
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: fancy looking with me ?
[01:18] <allee> Tonio_: pastebin the patch?  I've not have it handy
[01:19] <Jucato> Tonio_: I have another bug for kss later... but probably less important :)
[01:19] <Tonio_> allee http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/78
[01:20] <Tonio_> Jucato: what concerns me with that bug is that it can affects more modules
[01:20] <Jucato> Tonio_: true. luckily it only seems to affect kdmtheme :/
[01:20] <Tonio_> if(buffer[0] !='P' && buffer[1] !='I' && buffer[2] !='N')
[01:20] <Tonio_> allee talking about that ?
[01:20] <allee> Tonio_: ah, one bug is fixed already
[01:20] <allee> Tonio_: yes
[01:21] <Tonio_> what is the problem ?
[01:22] <allee> Tonio_: AFAIU the pin response should start with 'PIN:'  so if(buffer[0] !='P' && buffer[1] !='I' && buffer[2] !='N')   the s/&&/||/g    Otheriese 'xyN' is also accepted
[01:23] <allee> Tonio_: and a fputs what's not accepted is good for debugging ;)
[01:23] <Tonio_> Jucato: look with me on ./systemsettings/kcmultiwidget.cpp line 350
[01:24] <allee> Tonio_: all in all so no big deal.  the test is more tolerant than expected
[01:24] <Jucato> er I don't have an updated systemsettings source lol :)
[01:24] <Tonio_> allee well that'll not do much a difference....
[01:24] <allee> Tonio_: yes.
[01:24] <Tonio_> allee just wait....
[01:25] <Tonio_> well that's bluez output, so hard to bind false pincodes
[01:25] <Tonio_> but we can replace with || I agree.... that's better
[01:25] <Tonio_> allee fixed patch, testing now
[01:26] <Tonio_> Jucato: apt-get source kde-systemsettings
[01:26] <Jucato> yep. almost finished :)
[01:26] <Tonio_> d->hasRootKCM = true;
[01:27] <Tonio_> I assume that the button and the mode tests are different
[01:28] <Jucato> hm...
[01:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: look line 377 too
[01:28] <Tonio_> for( ModuleList::Iterator it = m_modules.begin(); it != end; ++it ) {
[01:29] <Tonio_> this tests seems to respond "false"
[01:29] <Tonio_> while previous one responds "true"
[01:31] <Jucato> Tonio_: um... I have to go for a while... bbl :(
[01:32] <Tonio_> Jucato: hu ?
[01:32] <Tonio_> 378 lines only ?
[01:37] <allee> Tonio_: what's the string:  PIN:1234 should pass the '||' test
[01:38] <rbrunhuber> hi allee
[01:38] <Tonio_> allee yes it should
[01:38] <allee> rbrunhuber: hi,  you can come to tonight meeting?
[01:38] <Tonio_> allee what is the problem ?
[01:38] <rbrunhuber> allee : Yes I think so, although i do not know where
[01:39] <allee> rbrunhuber: Bergmannshof
[01:40] <allee> rbrunhuber: gg:Bergmannshof Muenchen
[01:45] <allee> Tonio_: add fprintf(stderr, "Wrong passkey format: \"%s\"\n", buffer)  inside the  if(buffer[0] !='P'  ||
[01:46] <allee> Tonio_: maybe the agent returns 'pin:' ????
[01:46] <Tonio_> allee I'm sorry but I'm lost, what is the problem exactly ? works here so I don't really understand...
[01:48] <allee> Tonio_: I'm not sure if one can call it a problem.  Before it was required that the response starts with PIN:   The test in the patch fails to test for it.
[01:49] <Tonio_> allee that's why the bluez 3.9 patch is different then ;)
[01:49] <Tonio_> allee did you test connection to a cellphone ?
[01:49] <Tonio_> works perfectly now
[01:50] <allee> Tonio_: no bt cell phone :(  As it works for you.  Let's keep it.
[01:51] <Tonio_> allee I assume thereis a difference in bluez 3.9, but I'll look at its output if you wanna be sure :)
[01:54] <Tonio_> Jucato: tried several changes in the desktop file but I don't understand....
[01:54] <Tonio_> Jucato: kss sees that the module allows root extension
[01:54] <Tonio_> Jucato: and that works while at the root, only fails in a subsection
[01:56] <Hobbsee> anyone good with physics here?
[01:56] <ajmitch> depends what you need
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: answers to this assignment.
[01:57] <ajmitch> what area of physics?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: the textbook is a POS and the course notes arent much better.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> harmonic motion
[01:58] <Hobbsee> well, the course notes examples arent actually comparable to the questions we're being given - except for being on the same general subject matter
[01:58] <ajmitch> ah, fun
[01:58] <Hobbsee> yes.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> very.
[02:03] <allee> Tonio_: my test was: start  /usr/lib/kdebluetooth/kbluepin   add xxxx as key and it wrote "PIN:xxxx\n"
[02:04] <allee> Tonio_: I've pinged Rockman on #kmobiletools.  We'll see what he thinks about it.
[02:12] <Tonio_> allee confirming it works here.... I've just been prompted by kbluepin and association worked
[02:12] <Tonio_> putting a false pin code fails, everything is normal
[02:14] <Tonio_> just tried obex push, works too....
[02:15] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : Pluetooth works here like a charm but a guy called gpothier still has problems...
[02:16] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: what kind ?
[02:17] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : bug 89291 last comment.
[02:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 89291 in kdebluetooth "Kubuntu Feisty does not ask for bluetooth pin. Pinhelpers seem not to work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89291
[02:17] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : He is not too precise with his comment
[02:18] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: did he restart pin-helper ?
[02:18] <Tonio_> that's not autorestarted when bluez-utils restarts
[02:18] <Tonio_> best way is to reboot the computer
[02:19] <_StefanS_> yea, just give it a "gates"..
[02:19] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : Yeah I already added a comment to another bugreport. I think the debian way to handle this is better.
[02:20] <rbrunhuber> See here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/89758
[02:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 89758 in kdebluetooth "bluetooth: passkey-agent ends with /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:21] <Jucato> hi Tonio_. just got back... no luck, I guess? :(
[02:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: problem is weird really....
[02:22] <Tonio_> kss sees the admin mode, means that the kcm module is valid
[02:22] <Tonio_> kss deals with adminmode fir fontinst, means that there is no issue with kss :)
[02:22] <Jucato> but as to why it won't display the button...
[02:22] <Tonio_> hard to guess what happens.... I'll ping _Sime_ toonight
[02:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: if we can't find, I'll patch to put it at the root of kss...
[02:23] <Jucato> ah
[02:23] <Tonio_> Jucato: it displays the button while at the root, that's the weird part
[02:23] <Tonio_> I don't see any specific concerning subsections in the code
[02:23] <Tonio_> any other kcm in subsection works.....
[02:23] <Jucato> maybe something in kdmtheme's code?
[02:24] <Tonio_> probably, that looks reasonable opinion
[02:24] <Tonio_> but what? since it works perfectly in kcontrol ;)
[02:24] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:24] <Jucato> maybe one day I'll be able to understand all of kss D
[02:24] <Jucato> :D
[02:24] <Tonio_> some things tend to say the problem is in kss, and other ones tend to prove it is in the kcm module
[02:25] <Tonio_> 
[02:25] <Tonio_> HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[02:25] <Jucato> you found out what's wrong?
[02:25] <Tonio_> just found the combinason for "euro" symbol on the mac keyboard ;)
[02:25] <Jucato> ah lol
[02:25] <Jucato> roflmao
[02:26] <Tonio_> Jucato: hehe
[02:26] <Tonio_> Jucato: the mac keyboard is very annoying
[02:26] <Tonio_> every ascii symbol is accessible
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: dont woryr, you already do.
[02:26] <Tonio_> that's better than on a pc
[02:26] <Jucato> lol :)
[02:26] <Tonio_> but lots are hidden since the mac has few buttons compared to a pc
[02:26] <Tonio_> 
[02:27] <Tonio_> try to do this with a pc, hard no ? :)
[02:27] <Tonio_> bt you have to search for the important ones and learn them by hart
[02:27] <Tonio_> I'm still searching for the "square" symbol
[02:28] <Jucato> ????????
[02:28] <Jucato> ? = I don't know how to make :D
[02:28] <Jucato> heh took me a while to type them lol
[02:32] <Tonio_> Jucato: look at that !
[02:32] <Tonio_> |q~
[02:32] <Tonio_> haha ;)
[02:32] <Tonio_> macbook pro rocks :)
[02:32] <Tonio_> and that not copy/pasted :)
[02:35] <Jucato> :D
[02:35] <Jucato> Tonio_: up for another bug? :D
[02:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: fire away !
[02:36] <Jucato> 3rd item in bug 60379
[02:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 60379 in kde-systemsettings "(Kubuntu) KDE system settings list of problems" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60379
[02:37] <RockMan> hi
[02:37] <RockMan> Riddell: ping
[02:37] <Jucato> Tonio_: I'm guessing what color kss uses there is sort of hardcoded
[02:37] <RockMan> allee: ah.. ok, sorry, you here too :P
[02:37] <Riddell> hi RockMan
[02:37] <Jucato> ciao RockMan (as you used to say :D)
[02:37] <allee> RockMan: :)
[02:38] <rbrunhuber> Hi RockMan
[02:39] <jjesse> monring
[02:39] <allee> Tonio_: with compose variant the most symbols are easy  compose 'AE',  
[02:39] <Tonio_> allee: indeed ;)
[02:39] <allee> assume you don't need them often, otherwise 3 chars for one get annoying
[02:39] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes but that's more a kde/kcm bug right ?
[02:40] <Jucato> Tonio_: nope. only happens on System Settings. referring to the color that's used when you mouseover the modules
[02:41] <Tonio_> only in systemsettings ?
[02:41] <Tonio_> doesn't make sense........
[02:41] <Jucato> yep. kcontrol doesn't have a mouseover effect
[02:42] <Tonio_> Jucato: that talks about selected text right ?
[02:42] <Tonio_> change the value and open kate
[02:42] <Tonio_> select some text, will not work
[02:42] <Jucato> hm...
[02:42] <Tonio_> that's not only for systemsettings, that's a kde global setting
[02:42] <Jucato> ok let me try again
[02:45] <RockMan> Riddell: again, both updated --> http://www.kmobiletools.org/node/228
[02:46] <Tonio_> Jucato: confirming ?
[02:47] <Jucato> Tonio_: trying to... weird... I can't reproduce it here anymore
[02:47] <Jucato> I mean, mouseover does nothing anymore
[02:47] <Jucato> must have changed in Feisty?
[02:48] <Tonio_> Jucato: maybe.....
[02:48] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/96946
[02:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 96946 in kdebase "Kde never stores the positions of the icons, and always reorders and disperses thats." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:48] <Tonio_> what's that bug ?
[02:48] <Jucato> I guess I'll have to close this one then...
[02:48] <Jucato> hm..
[02:49] <Tonio_> where, which program ? what are his persona settings ?
[02:49] <Jucato> ah! desktop icons
[02:53] <Jucato> Tonio_: could you mark bug 96946 as a wishlist? I think el was hoping to have that feature too
[02:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 96946 in kdebase "Kde never stores the positions of the icons, and always reorders and disperses thats." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96946
[02:53] <Jucato> er sorry
[02:54] <Jucato> bug 96945
[02:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 96945 in kde-systemsettings "Selecting modules using the keyboard in System Settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96945
[02:54] <Jucato> dang... just one bug apart lol
[02:56] <Tonio_> done :)
[02:57] <Jucato> thanks :)
[03:01] <Riddell> RockMan: what's changed?
[03:02] <RockMan> Riddell: a couple of bugs fixed
[03:02] <RockMan> Riddell: on error conditions
[03:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: you able to look at that new bluetooth patch sometime?
[03:02] <Riddell> RockMan: Tonio_ has been handling these patches, since he can actually test it
[03:02] <RockMan> ok
[03:07] <bddebian> Heya
[03:07] <Jucato> hi bddebian :D
[03:07] <bddebian> heh
[03:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do toonight
[03:08] <Tonio_> RockMan: path to the new patch please ?
[03:09] <RockMan> Tonio_: the same as the old
[03:09] <RockMan> Tonio_: http://www.kmobiletools.org/node/228
[03:09] <Tonio_> RockMan: perfect thanks, I'll review this toonight
[03:09] <RockMan> Tonio_: r2 for edgy, r3 for dapper
[03:09] <RockMan> err.. not dapper, feisty i meant
[03:09] <RockMan> thanks
[03:09] <Tonio_> http://www.kmobiletools.org/files/bluez-pin-exec-patch-r3.diff.bz2
[03:09] <RockMan> yep
[03:09] <Tonio_> that's the one I added 3 days ago, did it change ?
[03:10] <RockMan> yes, it changed right now
[03:10] <Tonio_> RockMan: perfect
[03:27] <nixternal> good morning
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[03:27] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[03:27] <Jucato> moin nixternal!
[03:28] <nixternal> hola Jucato!
[03:28] <nixternal> I hit up jsgotangco's old neighborhood last night with a couple of friends, and lets just say, I am feeling it this morning
[03:30] <Jucato> O.o
[03:30] <Jucato> old neighborhood?
[03:31] <nixternal> we went to a coupld fillipino clubs last night
[03:31] <Jucato> ooooh
[03:32] <nixternal> heh, I still can't spell filipino to save my life
[03:32] <nixternal> haha
[03:33] <nixternal> dude, I didn't think filipinos could really drink, as I don't drink so I figured to be evenly matched
[03:33] <Jucato> hahah! :D
[03:33] <nixternal> dude, 2 of these funky drinks they had, I was done
[03:34] <nixternal> that was a blast though last night. one of my buddies is a local comedian, so he had me rolling the whole night
[04:08] <Jucato> hm.... where to start where to start... :/
[04:09] <Hobbsee> Jucato: start here :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> well, start anywhere
[04:09] <Jucato> hehe :)
[04:09] <Jucato> MOTU stuff seems to have lots of documentation... a bit overwhelming :D
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:10] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure how good all of it is, either :(
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you're going to do a new package, or work with merging (when feisty+1 opens) or what?
[04:11] <Jucato> btw, if I'm any indication of "an absolute packaging noob", the packaging guide leaves out a few details and sort of presumes some previous knowledge.. :(
[04:11] <Jucato> Hobbsee: mostly new packages
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: patches welcome :P
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: right
[04:11] <Jucato> patches to?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> the packaging guide
[04:11] <Jucato> aaaah
[04:12] <Jucato> well, how can I make patches if I don't know what the contents should be :)
[04:12] <Jucato> but maybe a slower, more in-depth reading of the guide will yield better fruits
[04:13] <Hobbsee> wasnt suggesting that you did that while you were still trying to understand it :P
[04:13] <Jucato> Hobbsee: have you seen the KDE 3/4 guide on setting up a development system? you know, checking out from SVN and building KDE from source and stuff?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: a hwile ago, yeah
[04:13] <Jucato> ah sure, I'll try to contribute later when I figure it all out :)
[04:14] <Jucato> does Kubuntu have something similar? or do we all just use pbuilder, chroot, debootstrap stuff? I mean, on KDE, using that guide, you build KDE from source, then when needed, apply patches and just re-make the appropriate module... how do we do it on Kubuntu?
[04:15] <Jucato> (whew! that was a lot...)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: well, if you want to compile stuff cleanly, then you'll need to use pbuilder
[04:16] <Hobbsee> pbuilder == nicer form of chroot
[04:17] <Jucato> hm... let me try to get this right: pbuilder will give you a clean environment, just like a new install or a different user?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> when you want to apply a patch, you grab the source from the archive (apt-get source foo), cd into foo, make your changes (whether that be directly inside debian, or creating a patch, dumping it into debian/patches, so it patches the rest of the source as it builds), then build it in your pbuilder, then install the binary it gives you
[04:17] <Hobbsee> yep.  every single time
[04:18] <Hobbsee> (assuming you dont pass it a couple of fairly obvious flags)
[04:18] <manchicken> WOW!  For the first time in weeks knetworkmanager started up on its own without needing to be kill -15'ed and restarted!!!
[04:18] <manchicken> I'm so happy.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> manchicken: woo!
[04:19] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ah... so install the package you made... so it will sort of overwrite the default package? no way to have 2 versions installed at the same time? I mean from the KDE guide, everything happens on a different user, even installations, so you can have your distro's kde and your own modified/patched kde
[04:20] <Jucato> sorry if I'm comparing too much w/ the KDE guide... I got to it first :)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes.  standard apt/dpkg behaviour
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's fine - it's great that youv'e got something to reference it off
[04:21] <Jucato> ah.. so in a sense, at least on Kubuntu, you really need to have 2 installations...
[04:21] <Hobbsee> no.  most of hte time you dont actually want to install the binary
[04:21] <Hobbsee> or if you do, you also want that fix to go to the archives, so it's moot - you get the update a bit quicker than everyone else does
[04:21] <Jucato> ah so how will you test that the binary?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> if it's for testing if it installs, you can test it inside pbuilder.
[04:22] <jjesse> good mroning
[04:22] <Jucato> moin jjesse
[04:22] <Hobbsee> if you want to test it out on your system, then yeah, you need to install it with dpkg -i
[04:23] <Jucato> ah so testing if it will work (not just install) really is risky :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> well, you will be using your version, yes.  you can downgrade to the repo version though (go to /var/cache/apt/archives and install the repo'd version of the app with dpkg -i)
[04:24] <Jucato> ah.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> for the most part, you're fixing errors in the source - typos, wrong deps, etc.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> you dont need to usually test if the program still works, on that basis
[04:24] <Hobbsee> well, often
[04:24] <Jucato> :D
[04:24] <Hobbsee> either's fine
[04:24] <Jucato> Hobbsee: thanks for your time (considering what time it is) :)
[04:24] <jjesse> moin Jucato
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :D no problems
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: there are more people on -motu who can explain, i guess
[04:25] <Jucato> true... but like any first time thing, I'm scared of being eaten :D
[04:26] <Jucato> Hobbsee: but since I'm planning to work on packing stuff that aren't in the repos yet, the "fixing errors" will probably be the least of my worries... building it for Kubuntu will probably be my major problem :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Jucato: they dont bite
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true.  you'll have lots of trouble getting the thing to actually build first
[04:27] <Jucato> ah this will be an exciting month
[04:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[04:29] <jjesse> Hobbsee: in bug 73480 you have made a comment that it was fixed in feisty, can you mark this bug as fixed/released then
[04:29] <Jucato> hehe I'll start bothering you guys there too. prepare for it :)
[04:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 73480 in kdepim "Problems with manual in KHelpCenter" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73480
[04:29] <Jucato> (you too zakame :P)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> jjesse: it is.  the upstream task is different, i cant change that
[04:30] <jjesse> oih ok
[04:31] <Hobbsee> jjesse: that'll change when upstream closes their bug
[04:31] <Hobbsee> jjesse: see the kdepim task is closed?
[04:31] <jjesse> Hobbsee: oh i understandd
[04:34] <zakame> buwahahaha
[04:35] <Jucato> :P
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: mostly in pbuilder
[04:37] <Jucato> ah
[04:38] <Jucato> so if SVN is KDE's... um... "tool", Kubuntu's is pbuilder...
[04:38] <Hobbsee> svn is more similar to bzr, or apt-get source
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: pbuilder is probably closer to kdesvn-build
[04:38] <Jucato> ah
[04:44] <zakame> Jucato: {d,s}chroots, pbuilder, pbuilders within chroots
[04:45] <Jucato> hm... :)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> zakame: pbuilders within chroots?  now that's getting nasty...
[04:46] <Jucato> treading on new territory... gotta be careful :)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i dont think you'd ever ask questions like the one just in #ubuntu-devel nwo
[04:53] <Hobbsee> so you should be right :)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> [00:48]  <cypher1> is Qt associated with KDE ?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> [00:49]  <Hobbsee> ....
[04:53] <Hobbsee> [00:50]  <StevenK> In as much as as GTK+ is associated with Gnome.
[04:53] <Jucato> eek :)
[04:54] <Jucato> hm... does that mean I have to add #ubuntu-devel to my channels to? :/
[04:54] <Hobbsee> nah
[04:54] <Hobbsee> they are a bit stricter in there
[04:54] <Jucato> someday maybe... but no need for now I think :)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> i mean, you'd get away with the above question in -motu - but in -devel....
[04:55] <Jucato> hehe :)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> well, he's just acheived idiot-of-the-day status, i think
[04:55] <Jucato> hahah :D
[04:56] <Hobbsee> he didnt barge in, i dont think
[04:56] <Jucato> ah ok
[04:56] <Hobbsee> although a lot now do.   not sure why
[04:57] <Jucato> ah thought he was a newcomer :D
[04:57] <Hobbsee> doesnt appear to be
[05:02] <Jucato> getting ready for bed? :D
[05:02] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:02] <Jucato> hm... I think I should too... in an hour or so :D
[05:02] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:03] <Hobbsee> it's 1am here
[05:04] <Jucato> oh goodie, you're back to +2 hours away from me :)
[05:04] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:24] <danimo> heya
[05:25] <danimo> some recent update broke kde styles entirely :(
[05:35] <rbrunhuber> danimo: Here too, but made an update again and all was fixed...
[05:35] <Jucato> oops missed that question.. sorry danimo
[05:35] <danimo> Jucato: hmm?
[05:35] <Jucato> yeah, the latest update fixed it
[05:36] <rbrunhuber> cde style looks really ugly...
[05:36] <danimo> didn't propagate yet
[05:36] <danimo> ack
[05:36] <Jucato> hm.... I got the updates more than 12 hours ago
[05:36] <rbrunhuber> made the update with de mirror around noon....
[05:37] <danimo> not on de.archive yet however
[05:38] <rbrunhuber> danimo must have a look again, maybe i switched once more to official mirror because of slow de mirror
[05:39] <danimo> ah, got the updates
[05:45] <rbrunhuber> danimo : got them from de or official mirror?
[05:45] <danimo> de
[05:45] <rbrunhuber> and they got the packages just now?
[05:46] <danimo> yepp
[05:46] <danimo> seems like it
[05:46] <danimo> didn't have them two hours ago
[05:48] <rbrunhuber> danimo: seems this is your choice slow downloadrates at upgrade or slow updates...
[05:48] <danimo> yay!
[05:51] <cypher1> is not there a Qt C++ UI compiler in the repos ?
[05:52] <cypher1> i can see a Qt Java UI compiler (juic) but not a C++ one
[05:52] <Riddell> cypher1: ?  I gave you the answer, and as I said it's a question for #kubuntu
[05:52] <cypher1> Riddell, sorry i just replaced ubuntu with kubuntu in the devel channel
[05:53] <Riddell> cypher1: as the topic of #ubuntu-devel says, these channels aren't for support developing on ubuntu
[05:54] <cypher1> Riddell, ok!
[05:54] <Jucato> heh :)
[05:56] <glatzor> Riddell: hi, the contact person of the KDE translators informed me that adpet would still not make use of any translations
[05:59] <glatzor> Riddell: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/47181
[05:59] <ubotu> Malone bug 47181 in adept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Fix committed] 
[06:01] <Riddell> glatzor: ok, added to my TODO
[06:03] <glatzor> Riddell: this bug causes a lot of trouble in the German KDE community
[06:04] <Riddell> uh oh
[06:18] <mhb> Riddell: hey!
[06:18] <mhb> Riddell: you promised me ages ago that you're gonna take a look at that! :o)
[06:26] <Riddell> mhb: mm, I know, sorry, todo list is too long at the moment
[06:26] <mhb> Riddell: this one should be trivial, though
[06:27] <mhb> Riddell: just change the catalogues my patch is pointing to
[06:28] <Riddell> mhb: which patch?
[06:28] <mhb> Riddell: the one I sent you for fixing this bug before
[06:29] <mhb> Riddell: you told me to name the common catalogue "libadept" or something but no such thing appeared for Feisty in Rosetta
[06:30] <mhb> Riddell: patch called kubuntu_03_translation_catalogues.diff for adept
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: just received an email from claire
[06:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have to go by plane as the price difference with train is way to high...
[06:33] <Tonio_> :(
[06:37] <Riddell> mhb: ok
[06:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[06:40] <fdoving> what was the default kwin style in edgy?
[06:58] <Riddell> fdoving: crystal, same as feisty
[07:00] <[ade] > Tonio_: that's a general problem, yes
[07:02] <Riddell> [ade] : how are you travelling?
[07:03] <[ade] > flying amsterdam - seville (direct)
[07:04] <Tonio_> [ade] : indeed, hard to convince people to think ecology when train is twice as expensive and 6 times longer
[07:04] <Tonio_> :(
[07:05] <PhinnFort> is the konsole-alpha (which allows real transparency in Konsole) planned to be included in feisty's version of konsole?
[07:05] <PhinnFort> *patch
[07:08] <Riddell> nope
[07:09] <PhinnFort> :(
[07:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I may needyour help toonight....
[07:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have an interview for a job tomorrow and they want an english motivation letter
[07:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you help correcting it ?
[07:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: the job is so nice! IT manager for Amazon France
[07:10] <Tonio_> I don't want to miss this one !
[07:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: not sure, I'm ill and need to go to bed
[07:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: try nixternal or jjesse if I'm not around
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure thanks :)
[07:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll finish the bluez patching once and for all toonight
[07:18] <jjesse> whats up?
[07:18] <jjesse> Tonio_:  what is the questioN?
[07:19] <giangy> Tonio_: good luck :)
[07:22] <Riddell> jjesse: nothing yet
[07:22] <jjesse> oh ok
[08:11] <Tonio_> jjesse: no question, but motivation letter to write
[10:28] <giangy> http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20070326-1.txt mh :)