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| geser | where does the "Bug #110700:" come from on https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekg/+bug/96712/+linkcve ? | 12:58 |
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| ubotu | Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request] Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:58 |
| geser | the real bug number is also repeated | 12:59 |
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| mpt | Goooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 02:02 |
| thumper | hi mpt | 02:05 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #96751 in malone "When logged out, bug status form has controls but no submit button" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96751 | 02:56 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #96773 in rosetta ""Make suggestions from:" menu contains many useless choices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96773 | 04:15 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #96808 in launchpad "Register product release bad form help" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96808 | 06:25 |
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| carlos | morning | 09:19 |
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| beuno | you're an early birdy carlos :D | 09:35 |
| carlos | am I? | 09:35 |
| beuno | 9:30am es early for a programmer :p | 09:36 |
| carlos | I'm being late, I usually start at 8:30 am, and I think SteveA starts earlier than I do ;-) | 09:38 |
| zyga | carlos: do you work at home or in an office? | 09:39 |
| carlos | in a office I have at home :-D | 09:39 |
| beuno | I don't get a long with the morning | 09:39 |
| zyga | carlos: heh, nice :-) | 09:39 |
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| beuno | carlos: do you live in madrid? | 09:44 |
| carlos | no, in Alicante | 09:44 |
| beuno | that's a bit down south, right? | 09:44 |
| carlos | and east | 09:45 |
| beuno | right, I might of crossed through going to murcia or granada | 09:46 |
| beuno | but it was a few years ago, so I might not | 09:47 |
| thumper | carlos: Alicante is one of the few places that I've actually been to in Spain | 09:51 |
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| carlos | beuno: from Madrid, you don't need to. From Barcelona is the best path | 09:52 |
| carlos | thumper: really? | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | thumper: you won't happen to be at UDS, will you? | 09:52 |
| beuno | carlos: I went from brussels | 09:52 |
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| carlos | it's a nice city and it's not small anymore (I was living here 16 years ago and just came back last summer) | 09:52 |
| thumper | ajmitch: UDS, don't know yet | 09:53 |
| carlos | beuno: oh, you mean by plane? ;-) | 09:53 |
| beuno | carlos: I wish! | 09:53 |
| thumper | carlos: yeah, on the way to the coast on a rugby tour | 09:53 |
| beuno | a millions km by car | 09:53 |
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| thumper | carlos: Benidorm I think was the location | 09:53 |
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| carlos | beuno: then it depends whether you got the coast route or not | 09:54 |
| carlos | thumper: that's too touristic ;-) | 09:54 |
| thumper | carlos: we were all tourists :) | 09:54 |
| beuno | carlos: I wan't driving, and it was a 26 hour long trip, could of passed by china and not notice :p | 09:54 |
| beuno | *wasn't | 09:55 |
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| carlos | beuno: :-D | 09:57 |
| carlos | thumper: indeed :-P | 09:57 |
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| poolie | SteveA: where _are_ the meetings? | 10:35 |
| poolie | i can't find them from the homepage... | 10:36 |
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| SteveA | poolie: mouse-over "Home" | 10:37 |
| SteveA | poolie: bottom link "Meetings" | 10:37 |
| poolie | ok | 10:39 |
| poolie | i find those menus a bit odd | 10:39 |
| poolie | on many sites they're like shortcuts for things you can navigate to in other ways | 10:40 |
| poolie | but in launchpad it's quite different | 10:40 |
| SteveA | how do you mean it's different? | 10:42 |
| SteveA | do you mean that you can't navigate to "meetings" any other way? | 10:43 |
| SteveA | to get to meetings without using the menus: | 10:43 |
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| SteveA | click "Home" | 10:44 |
| SteveA | click "Register" | 10:44 |
| SteveA | click "View meetings" | 10:44 |
| SteveA | perhaps the front page should have a link to the projects page that doesn't include meetings | 10:45 |
| SteveA | perhaps the front page should have a link to the projects page that doesn't just say "register" I mean | 10:45 |
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| poolie | SteveA: ok, there's a few things, though maybe they're not very important | 10:50 |
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| SteveA | poolie: the content of the menus stuff will be changing a lot over the coming few days | 10:52 |
| poolie | one is: in the menus, the top-level things are projects, distros, people, meetings | 10:52 |
| poolie | whereas the big buttons on the homepage are entirely different | 10:53 |
| poolie | it would have taken me a long time to guess to click "register" | 10:53 |
| poolie | i agree with you that "projects" might be better than "register" | 10:53 |
| poolie | i would probably guess that "register" means "make an account (ie Person) for myself" | 10:54 |
| poolie | SteveA: i registered https://beta.launchpad.net/sprints/bzr-200705 the other day | 10:57 |
| poolie | it seemed to work ok | 10:57 |
| poolie | except for some reason my name is printed twice on that page | 10:57 |
| SteveA | https://beta.launchpad.net/bzr/+sprints | 10:57 |
| SteveA | I don't see it listed there | 10:57 |
| poolie | well, that's interesting | 10:58 |
| poolie | when i registered the sprint, or now when i look at its details, i see no way to link it to a project | 10:58 |
| mpt | hi poolie | 11:00 |
| poolie | hi mpt | 11:00 |
| mpt | "Register" is used for registering projects, project groups, and people | 11:00 |
| mpt | and meetings | 11:01 |
| poolie | it's an ok verb | 11:01 |
| poolie | (incidentally i'm kinda surprised there is no registration link onn https://beta.launchpad.net/people) | 11:01 |
| poolie | mpt: but there are two things here that are less than clear maybe | 11:02 |
| mpt | hmmmmmmm | 11:02 |
| poolie | on the homepage, there are buttons, five of which have nouns and the other has "register" | 11:02 |
| poolie | so that makes me think "the register" (whatever that is) | 11:02 |
| mpt | I suppose we could have a "Register yourself" button that appears if you're not logged in already | 11:03 |
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| poolie | yeah i guess in practice that is handled by the login/register link, it's not substantial | 11:03 |
| mpt | poolie, I agree it's confusing, I wouldn't have used the buttons as much they are used | 11:03 |
| poolie | but the real thing here is, if i want to see existing meetings, why would i look under "register"?? | 11:03 |
| mpt | you wouldn't | 11:04 |
| poolie | :-) | 11:04 |
| mpt | Meetings are kind of a child of Blueprints at the moment | 11:04 |
| mpt | eventually perhaps they'll be something akin to distributions and projects | 11:05 |
| poolie | if it's a new feature maybe it's ok if they're a bit hidden | 11:05 |
| poolie | that would be good | 11:05 |
| mpt | Just as distributions and projects have bugs and blueprints and translations, meetings could have bugs (hackfests) and blueprints (sprints) and translations | 11:05 |
| poolie | i think they should come up prominently on the project or distro's page | 11:06 |
| poolie | mpt, SteveA, i know i told you before but this grey-on-white text seems really needlessly unusable | 11:06 |
| poolie | and there are people with much worse screens or eyesight than i have... | 11:07 |
| mpt | I know | 11:09 |
| mpt | sabdfl is experimenting with different colors and sizes | 11:09 |
| sabdfl | regarding sprints, i took a decision not to emphasise them on the homepage | 11:10 |
| sabdfl | wecan'tput everything at the same priority | 11:10 |
| sabdfl | sprints will emerge from those projects that adopt LP heavily | 11:11 |
| sabdfl | and the meme will spread if it has legs | 11:11 |
| poolie | that makes sense | 11:11 |
| sabdfl | especially if, as MPT describes, we get the ability to organise "bug meets" and "translation meets" | 11:11 |
| sabdfl | we'll probably do the same with bounties (NOT prioritise them on the home page) | 11:11 |
| poolie | i think if it hangs off the project homepage, both showing upcoming ones and adding new ones | 11:12 |
| poolie | sabdfl: thanks for looking at colors/sizes | 11:12 |
| sabdfl | i don't want to go much bigger | 11:12 |
| poolie | jml was just saying today he hears a lot of people comment on it | 11:12 |
| sabdfl | am experimenting with darker for greater contrast | 11:12 |
| poolie | please! | 11:12 |
| sabdfl | the web guru swears this size is standard for info-dense sites, like news sites | 11:12 |
| sabdfl | bigger, and we lose the ability to do 1024x768 tables in most places | 11:13 |
| poolie | sabdfl: for me it's not the size as the multiple between the body and the headings | 11:13 |
| sabdfl | ? | 11:13 |
| poolie | i am running my laptop at 1024x768 at the moment | 11:13 |
| poolie | oh, less | 11:15 |
| poolie | but the same issue applies | 11:15 |
| poolie | sabdfl: http://sourcefrog.net/tmp/2007-03-27-191422_800x600_scrot.png | 11:15 |
| poolie | the headings are about 3-4x larger than the body text | 11:16 |
| poolie | which seems excessive to me | 11:16 |
| poolie | i don't *think* i'm doing anything strange here | 11:16 |
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| sabdfl | mpt: what about the term "logo" for the 64x64 image that is on every page related to a given pillar? | 11:30 |
| mpt | sabdfl, I don't mind, I don't think it would be noticably better or worse | 11:34 |
| SteveA | poolie: "no screenshots please" | 11:34 |
| mpt | "logo" and "icon" are both fairly size-agnostic terms | 11:34 |
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| sabdfl | mpt: we need a way to differentiate between them which is better than "big icon " and "little icon" | 11:35 |
| SteveA | tattoo ;-) | 11:35 |
| SteveA | poolie: thanks | 11:35 |
| poolie | done | 11:35 |
| Hobbsee | SteveA: how *does* one provide a screenshot to illustrate a problem then? only by private email to a LP person? | 11:36 |
| jamesh | Hobbsee: mark the bug private first | 11:36 |
| SteveA | you can attach to a private bug | 11:36 |
| === Hobbsee didnt think she could actually *view* private bugs. | ||
| lifeless | sabdfl: you have privmsg :) | 11:37 |
| jamesh | Hobbsee: you can view private bugs that you are subscribed to | 11:37 |
| mpt | Hobbsee, you can if you reported them, or subscribed to them before they became private | 11:37 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 11:37 |
| jamesh | in fact, that's the entire security model for private bugs | 11:37 |
| Hobbsee | so then dupes are for you guys to sort out. fair enough | 11:37 |
| jamesh | Hobbsee: if there is a bug you think you'd like to be subscribed to, ask one of the developers | 11:38 |
| Hobbsee | jamesh: i wouldnt know. *g* | 11:38 |
| jamesh | Hobbsee: if it is private simply due to a beta.lp.net screenshot, there shouldn't be any problem subscribing you | 11:38 |
| Hobbsee | but yeah, i see your point | 11:38 |
| mpt | All other things being equal, I'll mark an older bug that's private because of a screenshot as a duplicate of a newer one that's public because it doesn't have a screenshot | 11:39 |
| Hobbsee | i was just curious over how that worked, that's all. | 11:40 |
| === Hobbsee o.O | ||
| Hobbsee | 7 second launchpad time! wow!!! | 11:41 |
| Hobbsee | that's awesome! | 11:41 |
| Hobbsee | SteveA: ^ (seeing as you were looking into performance stuff) | 11:41 |
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| SteveA | Hobbsee: that's better than it was for you? | 11:43 |
| poolie | 7 seconds to do what? | 11:43 |
| Hobbsee | SteveA: seeing as it used to be over 40, usually over 50, yes. | 11:44 |
| Hobbsee | poolie: load a page on LP. usually a bug page | 11:44 |
| poolie | !!! 50 seconds | 11:45 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about 50 seconds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 11:45 |
| poolie | :) | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | 50 seconds is a long time | 11:46 |
| oojah | No kidding | 11:46 |
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| mpt | ubotu, you're just a young'un. Back in my day, we used to wait for over a minute for most pages to load in Netscape 1.1N ... and we liked it | 11:47 |
| Hobbsee | poolie: ajmitch it is. that's why i havent done much bug work for ages - lp is just unusable | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | 1.1N? luxury! | 11:48 |
| Hobbsee | well, was. | 11:48 |
| SteveA | in my day we have Mosaic | 11:48 |
| SteveA | and we liked it | 11:48 |
| Hobbsee | and got good at preloading pages, and waiting a hwile before viewing them, too | 11:49 |
| SteveA | you had to load images separately | 11:49 |
| SteveA | they wouldn't display inline | 11:49 |
| poolie | SteveA: it would also be interesting to do js to measure load time | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | poolie: there are firefox extensions for that, also | 11:49 |
| SteveA | poolie: you mean load time between... | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | depends if you're wanting info from everyone | 11:50 |
| SteveA | actually I don't know what it would measure | 11:50 |
| SteveA | it would be a bit arbitrary I think | 11:50 |
| SteveA | we can get a better idea just by looking at standard logs | 11:50 |
| Fujitsu | I managed to do a fair bit yesterday, with the evil 20+ second page load times and enormous percentage of failed page loads. | 11:50 |
| SteveA | that's what I was doing with Hobbsee a week or so ago | 11:50 |
| SteveA | looking at the logs for a page | 11:50 |
| SteveA | and its timestamp | 11:51 |
| Fujitsu | SteveA: Any progress on that? | 11:51 |
| SteveA | then looking at the timestamp for someone loaded from that page | 11:51 |
| SteveA | um, something, not someone | 11:51 |
| SteveA | that gives an idea of the roundtrip | 11:51 |
| SteveA | Fujitsu: there are some more things we can look into, but it gets more and more intricate | 11:53 |
| Fujitsu | :-/ | 11:53 |
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| SteveA | popey: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.2 (Ubuntu-feisty) | 12:14 |
| SteveA | we have that kind of thing available to Launchpad -- the user's user-agent string | 12:14 |
| popey | not necessarily | 12:14 |
| SteveA | so, perhaps we could let the user easily record that in the question | 12:14 |
| popey | they might have network connectivity issues, and visit launchpad from another machine | 12:14 |
| SteveA | sure, but it gives a better idea | 12:15 |
| popey | or dual boot to windows and log from there | 12:15 |
| SteveA | [x] I'm using the system I'm asking about | 12:15 |
| SteveA | I'd imagine 95% of the time, knowing the user-agent would be helpful | 12:15 |
| popey | yeah, thats an idea | 12:15 |
| popey | would people not see that as invasion of privacy? | 12:16 |
| SteveA | perhaps. but if you ask them by way of the checkbox, not so much | 12:16 |
| popey | i.e. you didn't explicitly ask for that info, it was gleaned without their prior permission | 12:16 |
| popey | sure | 12:16 |
| SteveA | [x] I'm using the system I'm asking about. Put my browser version details into the question. | 12:16 |
| popey | it might also lead to assumptions being made by the people answering the questions | 12:16 |
| popey | a drop down list would be nicer IMO | 12:17 |
| popey | especially if it prompted them "you're using breezy, that's out of support, but ask anyway" | 12:17 |
| SteveA | so, maybe make this discussion into a post to launchpad-users ? | 12:18 |
| popey | would also be nice for people who are kubuntu types to filter and show only kubuntu related queries etc | 12:18 |
| popey | sure | 12:18 |
| popey | will do now | 12:18 |
| SteveA | great! | 12:18 |
| geser | where does the "Bug #110700:" come from on https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekg/+bug/96712/+linkcve ? | 12:19 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request] Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed] | 12:19 |
| geser | the real bug number is also repeated | 12:19 |
| cprov | morning guys | 12:19 |
| Fujitsu | geser: I think that might be the task number, at a guess. | 12:21 |
| Fujitsu | It is blank if you change the package name. | 12:21 |
| geser | that would explain it but it still looks ugly: Bug #110700: Bug #96712 in ekg [...] | 12:23 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request] Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96712 | 12:23 |
| Fujitsu | I don't think the task number is ever meant to be exposed... I've never seen it before. | 12:23 |
| Fujitsu | It's wrong, at any rate. | 12:23 |
| mpt | geser, I've found the bug and I'm fixing it now | 12:24 |
| geser | thanks | 12:24 |
| kiko-zzz | wow | 12:25 |
| kiko-zzz | that is /so bong/ :) | 12:25 |
| ajmitch | hey kiko :) | 12:25 |
| mpt | geser, at least, I'm fixing the wrong number | 12:26 |
| mpt | The repetition appears to be a deliberate design decision | 12:26 |
| kiko-zzz | mpt, you mean bug 96712: bug 96712? that's most crazy | 12:27 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request] Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96712 | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | mpt: So, what's this number that we're seeing? Some internal ID that was never meant to see the outside world? | 12:27 |
| mpt | kiko-zzz, and check out the heading above the tabs | 12:27 |
| mpt | Fujitsu, it was meant to see the outside world, but only in 2005 :-) | 12:28 |
| SteveA | mpt: not all the breadcrumbs will have menus underneath them I think. | 12:28 |
| kiko-zzz | mpt, but that's not intentional.. right? | 12:28 |
| SteveA | mpt: so I'll need some kind of graphic without the down-arrow for those. | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | 2005.. so long ago :) | 12:28 |
| mpt | SteveA, ok | 12:28 |
| SteveA | mpt: you think I should just gimp it up? | 12:28 |
| kiko-zzz | ajmitch, almost as long ago as a-ha and europe | 12:29 |
| mpt | SteveA, if that means I don't need to do it, sure :-) | 12:29 |
| SteveA | ok | 12:29 |
| mpt | though I suppose that's actually Victor's job | 12:29 |
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| kiko-zzz | "who is victor and why is he part of my 1.0 schedule" | 12:29 |
| mpt | but then it is just obliterating a triangle with the color that surrounds it | 12:30 |
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| mpt | SteveA, architectures (e.g. Ubuntu -> 7.04 -> amd64) have submenu triangles but no submenus | 12:35 |
| mpt | whereas other things that don't have submenus correctly don't have the triangles | 12:36 |
| SteveA | mpt: yes, we need to decide what to do about something that has a submenu defined, but no items in that menu | 12:37 |
| SteveA | should it say "there are no architectures" in the submenu? | 12:37 |
| SteveA | or somehow determine that there would be no items in the submenu, and not display an arrow? | 12:37 |
| mpt | The latter, I think | 12:38 |
| SteveA | the latter makes for trickier code, and I'll need to think how to actually do that | 12:38 |
| SteveA | without a lot of extra code | 12:38 |
| Fujitsu | SteveA: How are you going to get a breadcrumb for something that doesn't exist? | 12:38 |
| SteveA | Fujitsu: I know some magik. | 12:38 |
| Fujitsu | ... how is an architecture breadcrumb for a distrorelease (for example) ever going to appear in the UI, if there are no architectures for that distrorelease? | 12:39 |
| SteveA | I see what you mean. I was speaking at the wrong menu level when I answered mpt. | 12:41 |
| mpt | I don't understand Fujitsu's question :-) | 12:41 |
| Fujitsu | mpt: Surely it's not possible to see a breadcrumb for something of which there are no instances, as there is no instance to be in the context of (which would be necessary to see the breadcrumb). | 12:42 |
| SteveA | mpt: how do I choose which of the products of a project to offer navigation to, when there are too many? I'm thinking, those with releases first | 12:43 |
| mpt | Fujitsu, and why is that a problem? | 12:46 |
| SteveA | mpt: https://beta.launchpad.net/bazaar | 12:46 |
| SteveA | mpt: the spacing in the table of products is weird | 12:46 |
| SteveA | the releases and milestones are crunched up to the subsequent product name | 12:47 |
| mpt | geser, ah, I can fix the repetition as well | 12:47 |
| SteveA | so to my eye, it looks like the milestones and releases are associated with the wrong things | 12:47 |
| Fujitsu | mptL You were discussing how to display a submenu if there were no items. | 12:47 |
| Fujitsu | *mpt: | 12:47 |
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| mpt | Fujitsu, rght | 12:47 |
| mpt | right | 12:47 |
| mpt | SteveA, I get no menu at all on that page | 12:49 |
| SteveA | mpt: yes | 12:49 |
| SteveA | I'm asking about what the menu should show | 12:49 |
| mpt | Actually I get no menu from "Home" either, so maybe it's me | 12:49 |
| SteveA | but in formatting, I'm talking about the table of products | 12:49 |
| SteveA | I am currently writing the "project" menu | 12:50 |
| SteveA | here's my current plan: | 12:50 |
| SteveA | - if there are 7 or less products in the project, show them all | 12:50 |
| SteveA | - if there are more than 7, show up to 7 with releases | 12:51 |
| SteveA | - if there are less than 7 with releases, show ones with milestones too | 12:51 |
| SteveA | - and add a link to "see all projects in this project group" | 12:51 |
| SteveA | maybe I'll skip the milestones part | 12:51 |
| mpt | I don't think it particularly matters | 12:52 |
| mpt | Depending on how fast Launchpad-in-general becomes, when people start realizing that the menu doesn't include all the projects in a project group, they may stop using the menus for project groups | 12:53 |
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| jwendell | any registry guy here can change a product for me? | 02:25 |
| matsubara | jwendell: which one? | 02:26 |
| jwendell | matsubara, tsclient | 02:26 |
| jwendell | matsubara, it now has a bug tracker on upstream | 02:26 |
| jwendell | matsubara, it's http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=192483&atid=941574 | 02:26 |
| matsubara | jwendell: right, I'll ask kiko when he arrives. | 02:31 |
| jwendell | matsubara, thanks | 02:31 |
| matsubara | jwendell: is that bugtracker already registered in LP? | 02:32 |
| jwendell | matsubara, Sourceforge is | 02:33 |
| matsubara | jwendell: nm, I just noticed that you don't need to register individual instances of SF trackers. :) | 02:33 |
| jwendell | matsubara, i know, tou have to change the product itselfm link its bugs to sf | 02:34 |
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| matsubara | jwendell: done. | 02:53 |
| jwendell | matsubara, thanks | 02:55 |
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| gnomefreak | you need to be root to use bzr checkout? | 04:29 |
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| statik | gnomefreak: you should not need to be root, but you need to have permissions to write to the directory you are checking out to | 04:32 |
| gnomefreak | statik: i think its because when i wiped /home/ out a while back my /.ssh was removed also. is there a way to set it back up without regening key? | 04:34 |
| statik | gnomefreak: if you lost your ssh private key you won't be able to authenticate. can you tell me more about what you are trying to do? | 04:35 |
| gnomefreak | statik: im trying to set up my planet.ubuntu blog again all my info is still on LP servers so just generating that folder again should work. but i dont have my ~/.ssh key folder anymore thanks to deleting my ~/home/ dir. i have ssh key on LP still it hasnt gona anywhere | 04:37 |
| statik | gnomefreak: I haven't set up a planet.ubuntu blog myself, but you can generate a new SSH keypair and upload an additional ssh public key to your LP account | 04:37 |
| statik | it doesn't hurt anything to have multiple SSH keys registered with your account | 04:38 |
| gnomefreak | true | 04:38 |
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| === lamont wonders what the process is to get access to beta.launchpad.net | ||
| Kmos | lamont: join launchpad-beta team | 05:05 |
| lamont | Kmos: ok. once launchpad finishes talking to me... | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | and promise you ownt post screenshots | 05:06 |
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| mrevell | lamont: Yeah, as Kmos and Hobbsee say, simply apply to join the team | 05:08 |
| mrevell | then email me (my nick at canonical.com) to agree not to post screen shots of the beta interface. | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | or face defenestration | 05:08 |
| mrevell | Hobbsee: Well, a gentle reminder :) | 05:09 |
| lamont | mrevell: np. do you want that from my canonical.com email address? :-) | 05:10 |
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| Kmos | lamont: if you've one | 05:11 |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: awww. boring | 05:11 |
| lamont | mrevell: my @c.c addr is up, but that would be cheating (since I'm not actually on the payroll - I just do stuff....) | 05:13 |
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| lamont | mrevell: signed email inbound | 05:18 |
| lamont | otoh, your email bounced. sigh | 05:18 |
| === lamont hax0rs | ||
| mrevell_ | lamont: thanks :) | 05:19 |
| mrevell_ | bounced? | 05:19 |
| mrevell_ | Damn | 05:19 |
| mrevell_ | (mrevell@canonical.com) | 05:19 |
| lamont | first.last dude. | 05:19 |
| lamont | unless you were in london in april of 2004 at the meeting.. :-) | 05:19 |
| lamont | or subsequently got an exemption... | 05:20 |
| lamont | or something like that | 05:20 |
| lamont | mail resent to the good address | 05:20 |
| mrevell_ | lamont: Er, I know what my email address is :) Either my first.last or mrevell @ | 05:20 |
| lamont | <mrevell@canonical.com>: host fiordland.ubuntu.com[82.211.81.145] said: 550 | 05:21 |
| lamont | <mrevell@canonical.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in | 05:21 |
| lamont | virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command) | 05:21 |
| mrevell_ | lamont: Claire says "big hugs and kisses" :) | 05:21 |
| lamont | fiordland doesn't like you | 05:21 |
| lamont | cvd or newman? | 05:21 |
| mrevell_ | lamont: Hmm, damn. Not sure why my email is bouncing. | 05:21 |
| mrevell_ | lamont: cvd | 05:21 |
| lamont | right back at her, in either case... | 05:21 |
| mrevell_ | :) | 05:21 |
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| mrevell | lamont: :) | 05:22 |
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| mrevell | lamont: woo :) Got your email addr | 05:22 |
| lamont | anyway, must run | 05:22 |
| mrevell | lamont: err, not addr, just your email | 05:22 |
| lamont | heh | 05:23 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #96878 in launchpad "Launchpad session cookie should be hidden from Javascript" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96878 | 06:24 |
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| blueyed | Hi. Is there a reason why https://launchpad.net/xxx is not a shortcut to bug xxx? (xxx being a number) | 06:59 |
| ubotu | New bug: #97050 in launchpad "Have sprints/ +attend and +register default to start/end dates+times" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97050 | 07:01 |
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| pochu | blueyed: the shortcuts are https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugnr | 07:03 |
| salgado | blueyed, because there can be projects whose name contain only numbers and thus that would be ambiguous | 07:04 |
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| blueyed | Ok, I see that the bugs shortcut might be ambigious. Thanks for explaining. | 07:11 |
| blueyed | Next one: it would be nice if the LP references would get links here: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/restricted-manager/+bug/95779/comments/8 :) | 07:11 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 95779 in restricted-manager "Restricted Drivers Manager Fails to Detect nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Martin Pitt (pitti) | 07:11 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #97055 in malone "useless tabs on bug-related pages" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97055 | 07:20 |
| Lumiere | blueyed: I thought the standard was supposed to be LP #95779 | 07:21 |
| Lumiere | with no colon | 07:21 |
| blueyed | Lumiere: seems to be related to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClosingBugsFromChangelog | 07:21 |
| Lumiere | ah I was wrong ;) | 07:22 |
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| bkingx | Hey guys! | 07:31 |
| bkingx | This is the place for the Beta Launchpad questions, right? | 07:31 |
| bkingx | How do you add items to our Team's Blueprint page? | 07:35 |
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| bkingx | Anyone? | 07:36 |
| bkingx | We see this as a fantastic feature and want to explore it a bit more. | 07:37 |
| bkingx | Any help would be appreciated. | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | what do you mean by items? | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | like actual specifications? | 07:38 |
| etank | the blueprints tab | 07:38 |
| bkingx | Here is an example: | 07:39 |
| bkingx | https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ny/+specs | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | bkingx: you need to register the spec against some product/project/distro | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | bkingx: that listing is just a list of projects that ~ubuntu-ny is involved in | 07:43 |
| bkingx | OHH....I thought it was a list of "ToDo" items for that team. | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | bkingx: https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu-newyork-us/+specs is what you want | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | bkingx: it is | 07:44 |
| bkingx | Where they can assign to there team members. | 07:44 |
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| LaserJock | bkingx: right | 07:44 |
| bkingx | Ok then. | 07:45 |
| bkingx | So I need to register. | 07:45 |
| bkingx | Can you point me in the right direction? | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | to register a spec? | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | the url I gave you ^^ | 07:45 |
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| LaserJock | then hi Register blueprint | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | *hit | 07:46 |
| bkingx | OK..trying it now. | 07:46 |
| bkingx | AWESOME!! Thanks LaserJock !!!! | 07:49 |
| bkingx | Just what I was looking for! | 07:49 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #97076 in launchpad "Launchpad should give karma for changing the source package of a bug report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97076 | 08:15 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #97095 in malone "[beta] long bug titles get hidden behind the tabs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97095 | 09:06 |
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| TeTeT | after starting a new team, how do I setup a first blueprint? | 09:22 |
| matsubara | TeTeT: you register a blueprint against a project or distro. For instance, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addspec | 09:30 |
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| TeTeT | matsubara: So I register a new product at https://beta.launchpad.net/products/+new , assign it to the team and add specs there, correct? | 09:45 |
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| openstandards | for the meeting tomorrow, is there a way of asking a question? | 09:47 |
| matsubara | TeTeT: yes. | 09:47 |
| matsubara | openstandards: yes, add your question here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadUserMeeting/2007-03-28 | 09:48 |
| openstandards | thank you | 09:48 |
| openstandards | its at 10 BST tomorrow right? | 09:48 |
| matsubara | openstandards: yes | 09:49 |
| openstandards | damn, need a launchpad account... well my question was concerning openid | 09:50 |
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| openstandards | i'll get a mate whos got an account to post my question | 09:51 |
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| fabbione | is LP down? | 10:22 |
| fabbione | i can't access bugs.. it seems to be stalling in the "Waiting for launchpad.net" | 10:22 |
| salgado | yeah, same here | 10:23 |
| fabbione | ok | 10:23 |
| salgado | mthaddon, do you have the powers to investigate that already? | 10:23 |
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| gnomefreak | i think it is | 10:26 |
| gnomefreak | i just asked the same thing in another channel :( | 10:27 |
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| ddaa | mthaddon_: hello, fabbione reports launchpad is down/veryslow | 10:27 |
| mthaddon_ | ddaa: let me take a look | 10:27 |
| gnomefreak | The server at launchpad.net is taking too long to respond. | 10:27 |
| gnomefreak | thats the message | 10:27 |
| pochu | 500 Internal Server Error | 10:28 |
| pochu | An internal server error occurred. Please try again later. | 10:28 |
| gnomefreak | i dont think i have ever gotten that error but once and refresh fixed it | 10:29 |
| ddaa | that used to happen when launchpad was down for maintenance, if that's what I think, it's an error display by the proxy/load-balancer/whatever that stands between the web and launchpad. | 10:30 |
| gnomefreak | people complain about getting the 500 all the time while trying to upload files. | 10:31 |
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| pochu | also a 502 error now | 10:33 |
| pochu | The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. | 10:33 |
| pochu | The proxy server could not handle the request GET /ubuntu/+bug/97086. | 10:33 |
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| pochu | It's back :-) | 11:01 |
| welshbyte | are you sure? :) | 11:03 |
| mrevell | Hey guys | 11:04 |
| mrevell | Launchpad is back! | 11:04 |
| mrevell | Firstly, I'm sorry that Launchpad was unavailable. | 11:05 |
| mrevell | The good news is: Launchpad's back to normal. | 11:05 |
| beuno | beta is up, normal launchpad seems unresponsive | 11:05 |
| stgraber | mrevell: beta works, launchpad and librarian doesn't | 11:05 |
| mrevell | The great news is: your data is safe | 11:05 |
| mrevell | beuno, stgraber: Thanks. | 11:06 |
| beuno | mrevell: sorry to give you the bad news :D good luck | 11:06 |
| mrevell | beuno: I've just checked again, and production is working for me. | 11:08 |
| mrevell | beuno, stgraber: Could you check for me again, please? | 11:08 |
| stgraber | yep, seems to be back now | 11:08 |
| mrevell | stgraber: Cool :) | 11:09 |
| beuno | mrevell: right, it's up now | 11:09 |
| mrevell | Right, so, like I say, I'm sorry that it was unavailable. That's crap, and we're looking into exactly what happened. | 11:09 |
| stgraber | librarian works as well so everything seems to be back to normal (from my point of view) | 11:10 |
| mrevell | And, of course, we'll learn from what went wrong. | 11:10 |
| mrevell | stgraber: That's fantastic news, glad to hear it. | 11:10 |
| beuno | mrevell: great, thanks | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | it wasn't out that long was it | 11:10 |
| stgraber | hmm, you can't do a lot against a kernel problem on one of the servers ... | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | just a few minutes | 11:11 |
| beuno | half an hour as far as I can tell | 11:11 |
| mrevell | LaserJock: Yeah, but obviously we don't want any minutes of downtime :) | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | well sure | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | but it happens frequently enough I don't really mind a few minutes | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | if it get's to hours it's a bit frustrating | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | I just use it as an RSI break :-) | 11:12 |
| beuno | lol | 11:12 |
| beuno | LaserJock: I'm not sure *that* should be you're parameter | 11:12 |
| mrevell | LaserJock: :-D Ha. | 11:13 |
| beuno | err, your | 11:13 |
| mrevell | LaserJock: ddaa has a little note that appears on his screen, every few minutes, to tell him to do something else :) | 11:13 |
| ddaa | that's incredibly frustrating BTW | 11:14 |
| beuno | there's also an app, workrave: http://www.workrave.org/welcome/ | 11:14 |
| ddaa | but less so than being utterly unable to type because of the pain... | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | ddaa: how often do you have it pop up? | 11:14 |
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| ddaa | 30s break every 3 mins | 11:15 |
| === beuno has workrave installed in all the programers terminals | ||
| ddaa | regardless of actual activity | 11:15 |
| ddaa | after a while you get used to it if it is at regular intervals | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | yikes, 3 min seem awefully short | 11:15 |
| ddaa | so, do NOT check "suspend timer when inactive" for the micro-break timer | 11:16 |
| ddaa | then there's the 10 minute break with exercises ever 45 min of actual activity | 11:16 |
| ddaa | good to take a like, stroke the cats, and get a glass of coke | 11:17 |
| ddaa | s/like/leak/ | 11:17 |
| ddaa | a lot of people here us this stuff | 11:17 |
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| mrevell | night all | 11:46 |
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