[12:58] <geser> where does the "Bug #110700:" come from on https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekg/+bug/96712/+linkcve ?
[12:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request]  Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:59] <geser> the real bug number is also repeated
[02:02] <mpt> Goooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[02:05] <thumper> hi mpt
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #96751 in malone "When logged out, bug status form has controls but no submit button" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96751
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #96773 in rosetta ""Make suggestions from:" menu contains many useless choices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96773
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #96808 in launchpad "Register product release bad form help" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96808
[09:19] <carlos> morning
[09:35] <beuno> you're an early birdy carlos  :D
[09:35] <carlos> am I?
[09:36] <beuno> 9:30am es early for a programmer  :p
[09:38] <carlos> I'm being late, I usually start at 8:30 am, and I think SteveA starts earlier than I do ;-)
[09:39] <zyga> carlos: do you work at home or in an office?
[09:39] <carlos> in a office I have at home :-D
[09:39] <beuno> I don't get a long with the morning
[09:39] <zyga> carlos: heh, nice :-)
[09:44] <beuno> carlos: do you live in madrid?
[09:44] <carlos> no, in Alicante
[09:44] <beuno> that's a bit down south, right?
[09:45] <carlos> and east
[09:46] <beuno> right, I might of crossed through going to murcia or granada 
[09:47] <beuno> but it was a few years ago, so I might not
[09:51] <thumper> carlos: Alicante is one of the few places that I've actually been to in Spain
[09:52] <carlos> beuno: from Madrid, you don't need to. From Barcelona is the best path
[09:52] <carlos> thumper: really? 
[09:52] <ajmitch> thumper: you won't happen to be at UDS, will you?
[09:52] <beuno> carlos: I went from brussels
[09:52] <carlos> it's a nice city and it's not small anymore (I was living here 16 years ago and just came back last summer)
[09:53] <thumper> ajmitch: UDS, don't know yet
[09:53] <carlos> beuno: oh, you mean by plane? ;-)
[09:53] <beuno> carlos: I wish!
[09:53] <thumper> carlos: yeah, on the way to the coast on a rugby tour
[09:53] <beuno> a millions km by car
[09:53] <thumper> carlos: Benidorm I think was the location
[09:54] <carlos> beuno: then it depends whether you got the coast route or not 
[09:54] <carlos> thumper: that's too touristic ;-)
[09:54] <thumper> carlos: we were all tourists :)
[09:54] <beuno> carlos: I wan't driving, and it was a 26 hour long trip, could of passed by china and not notice  :p
[09:55] <beuno> *wasn't
[09:57] <carlos> beuno: :-D
[09:57] <carlos> thumper: indeed :-P
[10:35] <poolie> SteveA: where _are_  the meetings?
[10:36] <poolie> i can't find them from the homepage...
[10:37] <SteveA> poolie: mouse-over "Home"
[10:37] <SteveA> poolie: bottom link "Meetings"
[10:39] <poolie> ok
[10:39] <poolie> i find those menus a bit odd
[10:40] <poolie> on many sites they're like shortcuts for things you can navigate to in other ways 
[10:40] <poolie> but in launchpad it's quite different
[10:42] <SteveA> how do you mean it's different?
[10:43] <SteveA> do you mean that you can't navigate to "meetings" any other way?
[10:43] <SteveA> to get to meetings without using the menus:
[10:44] <SteveA>   click "Home"
[10:44] <SteveA>   click "Register"
[10:44] <SteveA>   click "View meetings"
[10:45] <SteveA> perhaps the front page should have a link to the projects page that doesn't include meetings
[10:45] <SteveA> perhaps the front page should have a link to the projects page that doesn't just say "register" I mean
[10:50] <poolie> SteveA: ok, there's a few things, though maybe they're not very important
[10:52] <SteveA> poolie: the content of the menus stuff will be changing a lot over the coming few days
[10:52] <poolie> one is: in the menus, the top-level things are projects, distros, people, meetings
[10:53] <poolie> whereas the big buttons on the homepage are entirely different
[10:53] <poolie> it would have taken me a long time to guess to click "register"
[10:53] <poolie> i agree with you that "projects" might be better than "register"
[10:54] <poolie> i would probably guess that "register" means "make an account (ie Person) for myself"
[10:57] <poolie> SteveA: i registered https://beta.launchpad.net/sprints/bzr-200705 the other day
[10:57] <poolie> it seemed to work ok
[10:57] <poolie> except for some reason my name is printed twice on that page
[10:57] <SteveA> https://beta.launchpad.net/bzr/+sprints
[10:57] <SteveA> I don't see it listed there
[10:58] <poolie> well, that's interesting
[10:58] <poolie> when i registered the sprint, or now when i look at its details, i see no way to link it to a project
[11:00] <mpt> hi poolie 
[11:00] <poolie> hi mpt
[11:00] <mpt> "Register" is used for registering projects, project groups, and people
[11:01] <mpt> and meetings
[11:01] <poolie> it's an ok verb
[11:01] <poolie> (incidentally i'm kinda surprised there is no registration link onn https://beta.launchpad.net/people)
[11:02] <poolie> mpt: but there are two things here that are less than clear maybe
[11:02] <mpt> hmmmmmmm
[11:02] <poolie> on the homepage, there are buttons, five of which have nouns and the other has "register"
[11:02] <poolie> so that makes me think "the register" (whatever that is)
[11:03] <mpt> I suppose we could have a "Register yourself" button that appears if you're not logged in already
[11:03] <poolie> yeah i guess in practice that is handled by the login/register link, it's not substantial
[11:03] <mpt> poolie, I agree it's confusing, I wouldn't have used the buttons as much they are used
[11:03] <poolie> but the real thing here is, if i want to see existing meetings, why would i look under "register"??
[11:04] <mpt> you wouldn't
[11:04] <poolie> :-)
[11:04] <mpt> Meetings are kind of a child of Blueprints at the moment
[11:05] <mpt> eventually perhaps they'll be something akin to distributions and projects
[11:05] <poolie> if it's a new feature maybe it's ok if they're a bit hidden
[11:05] <poolie> that would be good
[11:05] <mpt> Just as distributions and projects have bugs and blueprints and translations, meetings could have bugs (hackfests) and blueprints (sprints) and translations
[11:06] <poolie> i think they should come up prominently on the project or distro's page
[11:06] <poolie> mpt, SteveA, i know i told you before but this grey-on-white text seems really needlessly unusable
[11:07] <poolie> and  there are people with much worse screens or eyesight than i have...
[11:09] <mpt> I know
[11:09] <mpt> sabdfl is experimenting with different colors and sizes
[11:10] <sabdfl> regarding sprints, i took a decision not to emphasise them on the homepage
[11:10] <sabdfl> wecan'tput everything at the same priority
[11:11] <sabdfl> sprints will emerge from those projects that adopt LP heavily
[11:11] <sabdfl> and the meme will spread if it has legs
[11:11] <poolie> that makes sense
[11:11] <sabdfl> especially if, as MPT describes, we get the ability to organise "bug meets" and "translation meets"
[11:11] <sabdfl> we'll probably do the same with bounties (NOT prioritise them on the home page)
[11:12] <poolie> i think if it hangs off the project homepage, both showing upcoming ones and adding new ones 
[11:12] <poolie> sabdfl: thanks for looking at colors/sizes
[11:12] <sabdfl> i don't want to go much bigger
[11:12] <poolie> jml was just saying today he hears a lot of people comment on it
[11:12] <sabdfl> am experimenting with darker for greater contrast
[11:12] <poolie> please!
[11:12] <sabdfl> the web guru swears this size is standard for info-dense sites, like news sites
[11:13] <sabdfl> bigger, and we lose the ability to do 1024x768 tables in most places
[11:13] <poolie> sabdfl: for me it's not the size as the multiple between the body and the headings
[11:13] <sabdfl> ?
[11:13] <poolie> i am running my laptop at 1024x768 at the moment
[11:15] <poolie> oh, less
[11:15] <poolie> but the same issue applies
[11:15] <poolie> sabdfl: http://sourcefrog.net/tmp/2007-03-27-191422_800x600_scrot.png
[11:16] <poolie> the headings are about 3-4x larger than the body text
[11:16] <poolie> which seems excessive to me
[11:16] <poolie> i don't *think* i'm doing anything strange here
[11:30] <sabdfl> mpt: what about the term "logo" for the 64x64 image that is on every page related to a given pillar?
[11:34] <mpt> sabdfl, I don't mind, I don't think it would be noticably better or worse
[11:34] <SteveA> poolie: "no screenshots please"
[11:34] <mpt> "logo" and "icon" are both fairly size-agnostic terms
[11:35] <sabdfl> mpt: we need a way to differentiate between them which is better than "big icon " and "little icon"
[11:35] <SteveA> tattoo ;-)
[11:35] <SteveA> poolie: thanks
[11:35] <poolie> done
[11:36] <Hobbsee> SteveA: how *does* one provide a screenshot to illustrate a problem then?  only by private email to a LP person?
[11:36] <jamesh> Hobbsee: mark the bug private first
[11:36] <SteveA> you can attach to a private bug
[11:37] <lifeless> sabdfl: you have privmsg :)
[11:37] <jamesh> Hobbsee: you can view private bugs that you are subscribed to
[11:37] <mpt> Hobbsee, you can if you reported them, or subscribed to them before they became private
[11:37] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:37] <jamesh> in fact, that's the entire security model for private bugs
[11:37] <Hobbsee> so then dupes are for you guys to sort out.  fair enough
[11:38] <jamesh> Hobbsee: if there is a bug you think you'd like to be subscribed to, ask one of the developers
[11:38] <Hobbsee> jamesh: i wouldnt know.  *g*
[11:38] <jamesh> Hobbsee: if it is private simply due to a beta.lp.net screenshot, there shouldn't be any problem subscribing you
[11:38] <Hobbsee> but yeah, i see your point
[11:39] <mpt> All other things being equal, I'll mark an older bug that's private because of a screenshot as a duplicate of a newer one that's public because it doesn't have a screenshot
[11:40] <Hobbsee> i was just curious over how that worked, that's all.
[11:41] <Hobbsee> 7 second launchpad time!  wow!!!
[11:41] <Hobbsee> that's awesome!
[11:41] <Hobbsee> SteveA: ^ (seeing as you were looking into performance stuff)
[11:43] <SteveA> Hobbsee: that's better than it was for you?
[11:43] <poolie> 7 seconds to do what?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> SteveA: seeing as it used to be over 40, usually over 50, yes.
[11:44] <Hobbsee> poolie: load a page on LP.  usually a bug page
[11:45] <poolie> !!! 50 seconds
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 50 seconds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:45] <poolie> :)
[11:46] <ajmitch> 50 seconds is a long time
[11:46] <oojah> No kidding
[11:47] <mpt> ubotu, you're just a young'un. Back in my day, we used to wait for over a minute for most pages to load in Netscape 1.1N ... and we liked it
[11:48] <Hobbsee> poolie: ajmitch it is.  that's why i havent done much bug work for ages - lp is just unusable
[11:48] <ajmitch> 1.1N? luxury!
[11:48] <Hobbsee> well, was.
[11:48] <SteveA> in my day we have Mosaic
[11:48] <SteveA> and we liked it
[11:49] <Hobbsee> and got good at preloading pages, and waiting a hwile before viewing them, too
[11:49] <SteveA> you had to load images separately
[11:49] <SteveA> they wouldn't display inline
[11:49] <poolie> SteveA: it would also be interesting to do js to measure load time
[11:49] <ajmitch> poolie: there are firefox extensions for that, also
[11:50] <SteveA> poolie: you mean load time between...
[11:50] <ajmitch> depends if you're wanting info from everyone
[11:50] <SteveA> actually I don't know what it would measure
[11:50] <SteveA> it would be a bit arbitrary I think
[11:50] <SteveA> we can get a better idea just by looking at standard logs
[11:50] <Fujitsu> I managed to do a fair bit yesterday, with the evil 20+ second page load times and enormous percentage of failed page loads.
[11:50] <SteveA> that's what I was doing with Hobbsee a week or so ago
[11:50] <SteveA> looking at the logs for a page
[11:51] <SteveA> and its timestamp
[11:51] <Fujitsu> SteveA: Any progress on that?
[11:51] <SteveA> then looking at the timestamp for someone loaded from that page
[11:51] <SteveA> um, something, not someone
[11:51] <SteveA> that gives an idea of the roundtrip
[11:53] <SteveA> Fujitsu: there are some more things we can look into, but it gets more and more intricate
[11:53] <Fujitsu> :-/
[12:14] <SteveA> popey: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.2 (Ubuntu-feisty)
[12:14] <SteveA> we have that kind of thing available to Launchpad -- the user's user-agent string
[12:14] <popey> not necessarily
[12:14] <SteveA> so, perhaps we could let the user easily record that in the question
[12:14] <popey> they might have network connectivity issues, and visit launchpad from another machine
[12:15] <SteveA> sure, but it gives a better idea
[12:15] <popey> or dual boot to windows and log from there
[12:15] <SteveA> [x]  I'm using the system I'm asking about
[12:15] <SteveA> I'd imagine 95% of the time, knowing the user-agent would be helpful
[12:15] <popey> yeah, thats an idea
[12:16] <popey> would people not see that as invasion of privacy?
[12:16] <SteveA> perhaps.  but if you ask them by way of the checkbox, not so much
[12:16] <popey> i.e. you didn't explicitly ask for that info, it was gleaned without their prior permission
[12:16] <popey> sure
[12:16] <SteveA> [x]  I'm using the system I'm asking about.  Put my browser version details into the question.
[12:16] <popey> it might also lead to assumptions being made by the people answering the questions
[12:17] <popey> a drop down list would be nicer IMO
[12:17] <popey> especially if it prompted them "you're using breezy, that's out of support, but ask anyway"
[12:18] <SteveA> so, maybe make this discussion into a post to launchpad-users ?
[12:18] <popey> would also be nice for people who are kubuntu types to filter and show only kubuntu related queries etc
[12:18] <popey> sure
[12:18] <popey> will do now
[12:18] <SteveA> great!
[12:19] <geser> where does the "Bug #110700:" come from on https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekg/+bug/96712/+linkcve ?
[12:19] <ubotu> Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request]  Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  
[12:19] <geser> the real bug number is also repeated
[12:19] <cprov> morning guys
[12:21] <Fujitsu> geser: I think that might be the task number, at a guess.
[12:21] <Fujitsu> It is blank if you change the package name.
[12:23] <geser> that would explain it but it still looks ugly: Bug #110700: Bug #96712 in ekg [...] 
[12:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request]  Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96712
[12:23] <Fujitsu> I don't think the task number is ever meant to be exposed... I've never seen it before.
[12:23] <Fujitsu> It's wrong, at any rate.
[12:24] <mpt> geser, I've found the bug and I'm fixing it now
[12:24] <geser> thanks
[12:25] <kiko-zzz> wow
[12:25] <kiko-zzz> that is /so bong/ :)
[12:25] <ajmitch> hey kiko :)
[12:26] <mpt> geser, at least, I'm fixing the wrong number
[12:26] <mpt> The repetition appears to be a deliberate design decision
[12:27] <kiko-zzz> mpt, you mean bug 96712: bug 96712? that's most crazy
[12:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request]  Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96712
[12:27] <Fujitsu> mpt: So, what's this number that we're seeing? Some internal ID that was never meant to see the outside world?
[12:27] <mpt> kiko-zzz, and check out the heading above the tabs
[12:28] <mpt> Fujitsu, it was meant to see the outside world, but only in 2005 :-)
[12:28] <SteveA> mpt: not all the breadcrumbs will have menus underneath them I think.
[12:28] <kiko-zzz> mpt, but that's not intentional.. right?
[12:28] <SteveA> mpt: so I'll need some kind of graphic without the down-arrow for those.
[12:28] <ajmitch> 2005.. so long ago :)
[12:28] <mpt> SteveA, ok
[12:28] <SteveA> mpt: you think I should just gimp it up?
[12:29] <kiko-zzz> ajmitch, almost as  long ago as a-ha and europe
[12:29] <mpt> SteveA, if that means I don't need to do it, sure :-)
[12:29] <SteveA> ok
[12:29] <mpt> though I suppose that's actually Victor's job
[12:29] <kiko-zzz> "who is victor and why is he part of my 1.0 schedule"
[12:30] <mpt> but then it is just obliterating a triangle with the color that surrounds it
[12:35] <mpt> SteveA, architectures (e.g. Ubuntu -> 7.04 -> amd64) have submenu triangles but no submenus
[12:36] <mpt> whereas other things that don't have submenus correctly don't have the triangles
[12:37] <SteveA> mpt: yes, we need to decide what to do about something that has a submenu defined, but no items in that menu
[12:37] <SteveA> should it say "there are no architectures" in the submenu?
[12:37] <SteveA> or somehow determine that there would be no items in the submenu, and not display an arrow?
[12:38] <mpt> The latter, I think
[12:38] <SteveA> the latter makes for trickier code, and I'll need to think how to actually do that
[12:38] <SteveA> without a lot of extra code
[12:38] <Fujitsu> SteveA: How are you going to get a breadcrumb for something that doesn't exist?
[12:38] <SteveA> Fujitsu: I know some magik.
[12:39] <Fujitsu> ... how is an architecture breadcrumb for a distrorelease (for example) ever going to appear in the UI, if there are no architectures for that distrorelease?
[12:41] <SteveA> I see what you mean.  I was speaking at the wrong menu level when I answered mpt.
[12:41] <mpt> I don't understand Fujitsu's question :-)
[12:42] <Fujitsu> mpt: Surely it's not possible to see a breadcrumb for something of which there are no instances, as there is no instance to be in the context of (which would be necessary to see the breadcrumb).
[12:43] <SteveA> mpt: how do I choose which of the products of a project to offer navigation to, when there are too many?  I'm thinking, those with releases first
[12:46] <mpt> Fujitsu, and why is that a problem?
[12:46] <SteveA> mpt: https://beta.launchpad.net/bazaar
[12:46] <SteveA> mpt: the spacing in the table of products is weird
[12:47] <SteveA> the releases and milestones are crunched up to the subsequent product name
[12:47] <mpt> geser, ah, I can fix the repetition as well
[12:47] <SteveA> so to my eye, it looks like the milestones and releases are associated with the wrong things
[12:47] <Fujitsu> mptL You were discussing how to display a submenu if there were no items.
[12:47] <Fujitsu> *mpt:
[12:47] <mpt> Fujitsu, rght
[12:47] <mpt> right
[12:49] <mpt> SteveA, I get no menu at all on that page
[12:49] <SteveA> mpt: yes
[12:49] <SteveA> I'm asking about what the menu should show
[12:49] <mpt> Actually I get no menu from "Home" either, so maybe it's me
[12:49] <SteveA> but in formatting, I'm talking about the table of products
[12:50] <SteveA> I am currently writing the "project" menu
[12:50] <SteveA> here's my current plan:
[12:50] <SteveA>  - if there are 7 or less products in the project, show them all
[12:51] <SteveA>  - if there are more than 7, show up to 7 with releases
[12:51] <SteveA>  - if there are less than 7 with releases, show ones with milestones too
[12:51] <SteveA>  - and add a link to "see all projects in this project group"
[12:51] <SteveA> maybe I'll skip the milestones part
[12:52] <mpt> I don't think it particularly matters
[12:53] <mpt> Depending on how fast Launchpad-in-general becomes, when people start realizing that the menu doesn't include all the projects in a project group, they may stop using the menus for project groups
[02:25] <jwendell> any registry guy here can change a product for me?
[02:26] <matsubara> jwendell: which one?
[02:26] <jwendell> matsubara, tsclient
[02:26] <jwendell> matsubara, it now has a bug tracker on upstream
[02:26] <jwendell> matsubara, it's http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=192483&atid=941574
[02:31] <matsubara> jwendell: right, I'll ask kiko when he arrives.
[02:31] <jwendell> matsubara, thanks
[02:32] <matsubara> jwendell: is that bugtracker already registered in LP?
[02:33] <jwendell> matsubara, Sourceforge is
[02:33] <matsubara> jwendell: nm, I just noticed that you don't need to register individual instances of SF trackers. :)
[02:34] <jwendell> matsubara, i know, tou have to change the product itselfm link its bugs to sf
[02:53] <matsubara> jwendell: done.
[02:55] <jwendell> matsubara, thanks
[04:29] <gnomefreak> you need to be root to use bzr checkout?
[04:32] <statik> gnomefreak: you should not need to be root, but you need to have permissions to write to the directory you are checking out to
[04:34] <gnomefreak> statik: i think its because when i wiped /home/ out a while back my /.ssh was removed also. is there a way to set it back up without regening key?
[04:35] <statik> gnomefreak: if you lost your ssh private key you won't be able to authenticate. can you tell me more about what you are trying to do?
[04:37] <gnomefreak> statik: im trying to set up my planet.ubuntu blog again all my info is still on LP servers so just generating that folder again should work. but i dont have my ~/.ssh key folder anymore thanks to deleting my ~/home/ dir. i have ssh key on LP still it hasnt gona anywhere
[04:37] <statik> gnomefreak: I haven't set up a planet.ubuntu blog myself, but you can generate a new SSH keypair and upload an additional ssh public key to your LP account
[04:38] <statik> it doesn't hurt anything to have multiple SSH keys registered with your account
[04:38] <gnomefreak> true
[05:05] <Kmos> lamont: join launchpad-beta team
[05:06] <lamont> Kmos: ok.  once launchpad finishes talking to me...
[05:06] <Hobbsee> and promise you ownt post screenshots
[05:08] <mrevell> lamont: Yeah, as Kmos and Hobbsee say, simply apply to join the team
[05:08] <mrevell> then email me (my nick at canonical.com) to agree not to post screen shots of the beta interface.
[05:08] <Hobbsee> or face defenestration
[05:09] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Well, a gentle reminder :)
[05:10] <lamont> mrevell: np.  do you want that from my canonical.com email address? :-)
[05:11] <Kmos> lamont: if you've one
[05:11] <Hobbsee> mrevell: awww.  boring
[05:13] <lamont> mrevell: my @c.c addr is up, but that would be cheating (since I'm not actually on the payroll - I just do stuff....)
[05:18] <lamont> mrevell: signed email inbound
[05:18] <lamont> otoh, your email bounced.  sigh
[05:19] <mrevell_> lamont: thanks :)
[05:19] <mrevell_> bounced?
[05:19] <mrevell_> Damn
[05:19] <mrevell_> (mrevell@canonical.com)
[05:19] <lamont> first.last dude.
[05:19] <lamont> unless you were in london in april of 2004 at the meeting.. :-)
[05:20] <lamont> or subsequently got an exemption...
[05:20] <lamont> or something like that
[05:20] <lamont> mail resent to the good address
[05:20] <mrevell_> lamont: Er, I know what my email address is :) Either my first.last or mrevell @
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[05:21] <lamont>     <mrevell@canonical.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
[05:21] <lamont>     virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command)
[05:21] <mrevell_> lamont: Claire says "big hugs and kisses" :)
[05:21] <lamont> fiordland doesn't like you
[05:21] <lamont> cvd or newman?
[05:21] <mrevell_> lamont: Hmm, damn. Not sure why my email is bouncing.
[05:21] <mrevell_> lamont: cvd
[05:21] <lamont> right back at her, in either case...
[05:21] <mrevell_> :)
[05:22] <mrevell> lamont: :)
[05:22] <mrevell> lamont: woo :) Got your email addr
[05:22] <lamont> anyway, must run
[05:22] <mrevell> lamont: err, not addr, just your email
[05:23] <lamont> heh
[06:24] <ubotu> New bug: #96878 in launchpad "Launchpad session cookie should be hidden from Javascript" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96878
[06:59] <blueyed> Hi. Is there a reason why https://launchpad.net/xxx is not a shortcut to bug xxx? (xxx being a number)
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #97050 in launchpad "Have sprints/ +attend and +register default to start/end dates+times" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97050
[07:03] <pochu> blueyed: the shortcuts are https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugnr
[07:04] <salgado> blueyed, because there can be projects whose name contain only numbers and thus that would be ambiguous
[07:11] <blueyed> Ok, I see that the bugs shortcut might be ambigious. Thanks for explaining.
[07:11] <blueyed> Next one: it would be nice if the LP references would get links here: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/restricted-manager/+bug/95779/comments/8 :)
[07:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 95779 in restricted-manager "Restricted Drivers Manager Fails to Detect nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200" [Medium,Fix released]   - Assigned to Martin Pitt (pitti)
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #97055 in malone "useless tabs on bug-related pages" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97055
[07:21] <Lumiere> blueyed: I thought the standard was supposed to be LP #95779
[07:21] <Lumiere> with no colon
[07:21] <blueyed> Lumiere: seems to be related to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClosingBugsFromChangelog
[07:22] <Lumiere> ah I was wrong ;)
[07:31] <bkingx> Hey guys!
[07:31] <bkingx> This is the place for the Beta Launchpad questions, right?
[07:35] <bkingx> How do you add items to our Team's Blueprint page?
[07:36] <bkingx> Anyone?
[07:37] <bkingx> We see this as a fantastic feature and want to explore it a bit more.
[07:37] <bkingx> Any help would be appreciated.
[07:38] <LaserJock> what do you mean by items?
[07:38] <LaserJock> like actual specifications?
[07:38] <etank> the blueprints tab
[07:39] <bkingx> Here is an example:
[07:39] <bkingx> https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ny/+specs
[07:43] <LaserJock> bkingx: you need to register the spec against some product/project/distro
[07:43] <LaserJock> bkingx: that listing is just a list of projects that ~ubuntu-ny is involved in
[07:44] <bkingx> OHH....I thought it was a list of "ToDo" items for that team.
[07:44] <LaserJock> bkingx: https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu-newyork-us/+specs is what you want
[07:44] <LaserJock> bkingx: it is
[07:44] <bkingx> Where they can assign to there team members.
[07:44] <LaserJock> bkingx: right
[07:45] <bkingx> Ok then.
[07:45] <bkingx> So I need to register.
[07:45] <bkingx> Can you point me in the right direction?
[07:45] <LaserJock> to register a spec?
[07:45] <LaserJock> the url I gave you ^^
[07:45] <LaserJock> then hi Register blueprint
[07:46] <LaserJock> *hit
[07:46] <bkingx> OK..trying it now.
[07:49] <bkingx> AWESOME!!  Thanks LaserJock !!!!
[07:49] <bkingx> Just what I was looking for!
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #97076 in launchpad "Launchpad should give karma for changing the source package of a bug report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97076
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #97095 in malone "[beta]  long bug titles get hidden behind the tabs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97095
[09:22] <TeTeT> after starting a new team, how do I setup a first blueprint?
[09:30] <matsubara> TeTeT: you register a blueprint against a project or distro. For instance, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addspec
[09:45] <TeTeT> matsubara: So I register a new product at https://beta.launchpad.net/products/+new , assign it to the team and add specs there, correct? 
[09:47] <openstandards> for the meeting tomorrow, is there a way of asking a question?
[09:47] <matsubara> TeTeT: yes.
[09:48] <matsubara> openstandards: yes, add your question here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadUserMeeting/2007-03-28
[09:48] <openstandards> thank you 
[09:48] <openstandards> its at 10 BST tomorrow right?
[09:49] <matsubara> openstandards: yes
[09:50] <openstandards> damn,  need a launchpad account... well my question was concerning openid 
[09:51] <openstandards> i'll get a mate whos got an account to post my question
[10:22] <fabbione> is LP down?
[10:22] <fabbione> i can't access bugs.. it seems to be stalling in the "Waiting for launchpad.net"
[10:23] <salgado> yeah, same here
[10:23] <fabbione> ok
[10:23] <salgado> mthaddon, do you have the powers to investigate that already?
[10:26] <gnomefreak> i think it is
[10:27] <gnomefreak> i just asked the same thing in another channel :(
[10:27] <ddaa> mthaddon_: hello, fabbione reports launchpad is down/veryslow
[10:27] <mthaddon_> ddaa: let me take a look
[10:27] <gnomefreak> The server at launchpad.net is taking too long to respond.
[10:27] <gnomefreak> thats the message
[10:28] <pochu> 500 Internal Server Error
[10:28] <pochu> An internal server error occurred. Please try again later.
[10:29] <gnomefreak> i dont think i have ever gotten that error but once and refresh fixed it
[10:30] <ddaa> that used to happen when launchpad was down for maintenance, if that's what I think, it's an error display by the proxy/load-balancer/whatever that stands between the web and launchpad.
[10:31] <gnomefreak> people complain about getting the 500 all the time while trying to upload files. 
[10:33] <pochu> also a 502 error now
[10:33] <pochu> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
[10:33] <pochu> The proxy server could not handle the request GET /ubuntu/+bug/97086.
[11:01] <pochu> It's back :-)
[11:03] <welshbyte> are you sure? :)
[11:04] <mrevell> Hey guys
[11:04] <mrevell> Launchpad is back!
[11:05] <mrevell> Firstly, I'm sorry that Launchpad was unavailable.
[11:05] <mrevell> The good news is: Launchpad's back to normal.
[11:05] <beuno> beta is up, normal launchpad seems unresponsive
[11:05] <stgraber> mrevell: beta works, launchpad and librarian doesn't
[11:05] <mrevell> The great news is: your data  is safe
[11:06] <mrevell> beuno, stgraber: Thanks.
[11:06] <beuno> mrevell: sorry to give you the bad news  :D   good luck
[11:08] <mrevell> beuno: I've just checked again, and production is working for me.
[11:08] <mrevell> beuno, stgraber: Could you check for me again, please?
[11:08] <stgraber> yep, seems to be back now
[11:09] <mrevell> stgraber: Cool :)
[11:09] <beuno> mrevell: right, it's up now
[11:09] <mrevell> Right, so, like I say, I'm sorry that it was unavailable. That's crap, and we're looking into exactly what happened.
[11:10] <stgraber> librarian works as well so everything seems to be back to normal (from my point of view)
[11:10] <mrevell> And, of course, we'll learn from what went wrong.
[11:10] <mrevell> stgraber: That's fantastic news, glad to hear it.
[11:10] <beuno> mrevell: great, thanks
[11:10] <LaserJock> it wasn't out that long was it
[11:11] <stgraber> hmm, you can't do a lot against a kernel problem on one of the servers ...
[11:11] <LaserJock> just a few minutes
[11:11] <beuno> half an hour as far as I can tell
[11:11] <mrevell> LaserJock: Yeah, but obviously we don't want any minutes of downtime :)
[11:11] <LaserJock> well sure
[11:11] <LaserJock> but it happens frequently enough I don't really mind a few minutes
[11:12] <LaserJock> if it get's to hours it's a bit frustrating
[11:12] <LaserJock> I just use it as an RSI break :-)
[11:12] <beuno> lol
[11:12] <beuno> LaserJock: I'm not sure *that* should be you're parameter
[11:13] <mrevell> LaserJock: :-D Ha.
[11:13] <beuno> err, your
[11:13] <mrevell> LaserJock: ddaa has a little note that appears on his screen, every few minutes, to tell him to do something else :)
[11:14] <ddaa> that's incredibly frustrating BTW
[11:14] <beuno> there's also an app,  workrave:  http://www.workrave.org/welcome/
[11:14] <ddaa> but less so than being utterly unable to type because of the pain...
[11:14] <LaserJock> ddaa: how often do you have it pop up?
[11:15] <ddaa> 30s break every 3 mins
[11:15] <ddaa> regardless of actual activity
[11:15] <ddaa> after a while you get used to it if it is at regular intervals
[11:15] <LaserJock> yikes, 3 min seem awefully short
[11:16] <ddaa> so, do NOT check "suspend timer when inactive" for the micro-break timer
[11:16] <ddaa> then there's the 10 minute break with exercises ever 45 min of actual activity
[11:17] <ddaa> good to take a like, stroke the cats, and get a glass of coke
[11:17] <ddaa> s/like/leak/
[11:17] <ddaa> a lot of people here us this stuff
[11:46] <mrevell> night all