=== sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db4414b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db4414b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === gouki_ [n=gouki@bl7-19-13.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #launchpad [12:58] where does the "Bug #110700:" come from on https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekg/+bug/96712/+linkcve ? [12:58] Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request] Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:59] the real bug number is also repeated === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #launchpad === shawn__ [n=shawn@netblock-68-183-69-197.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === gouki_ is now known as gouki === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-132-31.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [02:02] Goooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! [02:05] hi mpt === mpt now has a working laptop microphone === jml [n=jml@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === freet15 [n=freet15@61.51.188.191] has joined #launchpad === ja2 is now known as jam === jam [n=jameinel@75.51.62.134] has left #launchpad [] === poolie__ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === _mholthaus [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad === poolie__ is now known as poolie [02:56] New bug: #96751 in malone "When logged out, bug status form has controls but no submit button" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96751 === Rinchen [n=joey@vc7-1-240g.dsl.netrack.net] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen [n=joey@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen [n=joey@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen sighs. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.32.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.32.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [04:15] New bug: #96773 in rosetta ""Make suggestions from:" menu contains many useless choices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96773 === kiko is now known as kiko-zzz === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === sm [n=sm@pool-71-107-254-8.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #launchpad [] === freet15 [n=freet15@61.51.188.191] has joined #launchpad [06:25] New bug: #96808 in launchpad "Register product release bad form help" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96808 === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@66.153.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@c-69-181-42-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@83.233.58.224] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db440e5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.32.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [09:19] morning === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad === Jozo- [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #launchpad [09:35] you're an early birdy carlos :D [09:35] am I? [09:36] 9:30am es early for a programmer :p [09:38] I'm being late, I usually start at 8:30 am, and I think SteveA starts earlier than I do ;-) [09:39] carlos: do you work at home or in an office? [09:39] in a office I have at home :-D [09:39] I don't get a long with the morning [09:39] carlos: heh, nice :-) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [09:44] carlos: do you live in madrid? [09:44] no, in Alicante [09:44] that's a bit down south, right? [09:45] and east [09:46] right, I might of crossed through going to murcia or granada [09:47] but it was a few years ago, so I might not [09:51] carlos: Alicante is one of the few places that I've actually been to in Spain === ajmitch should hopefully be over in spain in a few weeks [09:52] beuno: from Madrid, you don't need to. From Barcelona is the best path [09:52] thumper: really? [09:52] thumper: you won't happen to be at UDS, will you? [09:52] carlos: I went from brussels === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [09:52] it's a nice city and it's not small anymore (I was living here 16 years ago and just came back last summer) [09:53] ajmitch: UDS, don't know yet [09:53] beuno: oh, you mean by plane? ;-) [09:53] carlos: I wish! [09:53] carlos: yeah, on the way to the coast on a rugby tour [09:53] a millions km by car === schwuk [n=dave@85-211-207-102.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [09:53] carlos: Benidorm I think was the location === thumper might have spelt that wrong [09:54] beuno: then it depends whether you got the coast route or not [09:54] thumper: that's too touristic ;-) [09:54] carlos: we were all tourists :) [09:54] carlos: I wan't driving, and it was a 26 hour long trip, could of passed by china and not notice :p [09:55] *wasn't === bigjools [n=bigjools@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [09:57] beuno: :-D [09:57] thumper: indeed :-P === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@213.207.210.231] has joined #launchpad === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@80.73.178.188] has joined #launchpad === shawn__ [n=shawn@adsl-70-231-255-214.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #launchpad [10:35] SteveA: where _are_ the meetings? [10:36] i can't find them from the homepage... === bigjools [n=bigjools@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [10:37] poolie: mouse-over "Home" [10:37] poolie: bottom link "Meetings" [10:39] ok [10:39] i find those menus a bit odd [10:40] on many sites they're like shortcuts for things you can navigate to in other ways [10:40] but in launchpad it's quite different [10:42] how do you mean it's different? [10:43] do you mean that you can't navigate to "meetings" any other way? [10:43] to get to meetings without using the menus: === BjornT [n=bjorn@80.73.178.188] has joined #launchpad [10:44] click "Home" [10:44] click "Register" [10:44] click "View meetings" [10:45] perhaps the front page should have a link to the projects page that doesn't include meetings [10:45] perhaps the front page should have a link to the projects page that doesn't just say "register" I mean === mrevell [n=matthew@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad [10:50] SteveA: ok, there's a few things, though maybe they're not very important === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [10:52] poolie: the content of the menus stuff will be changing a lot over the coming few days [10:52] one is: in the menus, the top-level things are projects, distros, people, meetings [10:53] whereas the big buttons on the homepage are entirely different [10:53] it would have taken me a long time to guess to click "register" [10:53] i agree with you that "projects" might be better than "register" [10:54] i would probably guess that "register" means "make an account (ie Person) for myself" [10:57] SteveA: i registered https://beta.launchpad.net/sprints/bzr-200705 the other day [10:57] it seemed to work ok [10:57] except for some reason my name is printed twice on that page [10:57] https://beta.launchpad.net/bzr/+sprints [10:57] I don't see it listed there [10:58] well, that's interesting [10:58] when i registered the sprint, or now when i look at its details, i see no way to link it to a project [11:00] hi poolie [11:00] hi mpt [11:00] "Register" is used for registering projects, project groups, and people [11:01] and meetings [11:01] it's an ok verb [11:01] (incidentally i'm kinda surprised there is no registration link onn https://beta.launchpad.net/people) [11:02] mpt: but there are two things here that are less than clear maybe [11:02] hmmmmmmm [11:02] on the homepage, there are buttons, five of which have nouns and the other has "register" [11:02] so that makes me think "the register" (whatever that is) [11:03] I suppose we could have a "Register yourself" button that appears if you're not logged in already === freet15 [n=freet15@61.149.1.156] has joined #launchpad [11:03] yeah i guess in practice that is handled by the login/register link, it's not substantial [11:03] poolie, I agree it's confusing, I wouldn't have used the buttons as much they are used [11:03] but the real thing here is, if i want to see existing meetings, why would i look under "register"?? [11:04] you wouldn't [11:04] :-) [11:04] Meetings are kind of a child of Blueprints at the moment [11:05] eventually perhaps they'll be something akin to distributions and projects [11:05] if it's a new feature maybe it's ok if they're a bit hidden [11:05] that would be good [11:05] Just as distributions and projects have bugs and blueprints and translations, meetings could have bugs (hackfests) and blueprints (sprints) and translations [11:06] i think they should come up prominently on the project or distro's page [11:06] mpt, SteveA, i know i told you before but this grey-on-white text seems really needlessly unusable [11:07] and there are people with much worse screens or eyesight than i have... [11:09] I know [11:09] sabdfl is experimenting with different colors and sizes [11:10] regarding sprints, i took a decision not to emphasise them on the homepage [11:10] wecan'tput everything at the same priority [11:11] sprints will emerge from those projects that adopt LP heavily [11:11] and the meme will spread if it has legs [11:11] that makes sense [11:11] especially if, as MPT describes, we get the ability to organise "bug meets" and "translation meets" [11:11] we'll probably do the same with bounties (NOT prioritise them on the home page) [11:12] i think if it hangs off the project homepage, both showing upcoming ones and adding new ones [11:12] sabdfl: thanks for looking at colors/sizes [11:12] i don't want to go much bigger [11:12] jml was just saying today he hears a lot of people comment on it [11:12] am experimenting with darker for greater contrast [11:12] please! [11:12] the web guru swears this size is standard for info-dense sites, like news sites [11:13] bigger, and we lose the ability to do 1024x768 tables in most places [11:13] sabdfl: for me it's not the size as the multiple between the body and the headings [11:13] ? [11:13] i am running my laptop at 1024x768 at the moment [11:15] oh, less [11:15] but the same issue applies [11:15] sabdfl: http://sourcefrog.net/tmp/2007-03-27-191422_800x600_scrot.png [11:16] the headings are about 3-4x larger than the body text [11:16] which seems excessive to me [11:16] i don't *think* i'm doing anything strange here === BjornT [n=bjorn@80.73.178.188] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad [11:30] mpt: what about the term "logo" for the 64x64 image that is on every page related to a given pillar? [11:34] sabdfl, I don't mind, I don't think it would be noticably better or worse [11:34] poolie: "no screenshots please" [11:34] "logo" and "icon" are both fairly size-agnostic terms === sabdfl scrambles to remove poolie from the beta team... [11:35] mpt: we need a way to differentiate between them which is better than "big icon " and "little icon" [11:35] tattoo ;-) [11:35] poolie: thanks [11:35] done [11:36] SteveA: how *does* one provide a screenshot to illustrate a problem then? only by private email to a LP person? [11:36] Hobbsee: mark the bug private first [11:36] you can attach to a private bug === Hobbsee didnt think she could actually *view* private bugs. [11:37] sabdfl: you have privmsg :) [11:37] Hobbsee: you can view private bugs that you are subscribed to [11:37] Hobbsee, you can if you reported them, or subscribed to them before they became private [11:37] ah [11:37] in fact, that's the entire security model for private bugs [11:37] so then dupes are for you guys to sort out. fair enough [11:38] Hobbsee: if there is a bug you think you'd like to be subscribed to, ask one of the developers [11:38] jamesh: i wouldnt know. *g* [11:38] Hobbsee: if it is private simply due to a beta.lp.net screenshot, there shouldn't be any problem subscribing you [11:38] but yeah, i see your point [11:39] All other things being equal, I'll mark an older bug that's private because of a screenshot as a duplicate of a newer one that's public because it doesn't have a screenshot [11:40] i was just curious over how that worked, that's all. === Hobbsee o.O [11:41] 7 second launchpad time! wow!!! [11:41] that's awesome! [11:41] SteveA: ^ (seeing as you were looking into performance stuff) === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad [11:43] Hobbsee: that's better than it was for you? [11:43] 7 seconds to do what? [11:44] SteveA: seeing as it used to be over 40, usually over 50, yes. [11:44] poolie: load a page on LP. usually a bug page [11:45] !!! 50 seconds [11:45] Sorry, I don't know anything about 50 seconds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [11:45] :) [11:46] 50 seconds is a long time [11:46] No kidding === ajmitch just counted 12 seconds to get to a package bugs page [11:47] ubotu, you're just a young'un. Back in my day, we used to wait for over a minute for most pages to load in Netscape 1.1N ... and we liked it [11:48] poolie: ajmitch it is. that's why i havent done much bug work for ages - lp is just unusable [11:48] 1.1N? luxury! [11:48] well, was. [11:48] in my day we have Mosaic [11:48] and we liked it [11:49] and got good at preloading pages, and waiting a hwile before viewing them, too [11:49] you had to load images separately [11:49] they wouldn't display inline [11:49] SteveA: it would also be interesting to do js to measure load time [11:49] poolie: there are firefox extensions for that, also [11:50] poolie: you mean load time between... [11:50] depends if you're wanting info from everyone [11:50] actually I don't know what it would measure [11:50] it would be a bit arbitrary I think [11:50] we can get a better idea just by looking at standard logs [11:50] I managed to do a fair bit yesterday, with the evil 20+ second page load times and enormous percentage of failed page loads. [11:50] that's what I was doing with Hobbsee a week or so ago [11:50] looking at the logs for a page [11:51] and its timestamp [11:51] SteveA: Any progress on that? [11:51] then looking at the timestamp for someone loaded from that page [11:51] um, something, not someone [11:51] that gives an idea of the roundtrip [11:53] Fujitsu: there are some more things we can look into, but it gets more and more intricate [11:53] :-/ === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === egidijus [n=egis@host250-104-static.51-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === popey wonders if it might be nice if the answers system asked users reporting problems what version and flavour of X/K/Ubuntu they are using as this is often the first question that gets asked, and can affect the responses to support questions (menu paths changing for example) === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #launchpad [12:14] popey: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.2 (Ubuntu-feisty) [12:14] we have that kind of thing available to Launchpad -- the user's user-agent string [12:14] not necessarily [12:14] so, perhaps we could let the user easily record that in the question [12:14] they might have network connectivity issues, and visit launchpad from another machine [12:15] sure, but it gives a better idea [12:15] or dual boot to windows and log from there [12:15] [x] I'm using the system I'm asking about [12:15] I'd imagine 95% of the time, knowing the user-agent would be helpful [12:15] yeah, thats an idea [12:16] would people not see that as invasion of privacy? [12:16] perhaps. but if you ask them by way of the checkbox, not so much [12:16] i.e. you didn't explicitly ask for that info, it was gleaned without their prior permission [12:16] sure [12:16] [x] I'm using the system I'm asking about. Put my browser version details into the question. [12:16] it might also lead to assumptions being made by the people answering the questions [12:17] a drop down list would be nicer IMO [12:17] especially if it prompted them "you're using breezy, that's out of support, but ask anyway" [12:18] so, maybe make this discussion into a post to launchpad-users ? [12:18] would also be nice for people who are kubuntu types to filter and show only kubuntu related queries etc [12:18] sure [12:18] will do now [12:18] great! [12:19] where does the "Bug #110700:" come from on https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekg/+bug/96712/+linkcve ? [12:19] Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request] Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed] [12:19] the real bug number is also repeated [12:19] morning guys [12:21] geser: I think that might be the task number, at a guess. [12:21] It is blank if you change the package name. [12:23] that would explain it but it still looks ugly: Bug #110700: Bug #96712 in ekg [...] [12:23] Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request] Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96712 [12:23] I don't think the task number is ever meant to be exposed... I've never seen it before. [12:23] It's wrong, at any rate. [12:24] geser, I've found the bug and I'm fixing it now [12:24] thanks [12:25] wow [12:25] that is /so bong/ :) [12:25] hey kiko :) [12:26] geser, at least, I'm fixing the wrong number [12:26] The repetition appears to be a deliberate design decision [12:27] mpt, you mean bug 96712: bug 96712? that's most crazy [12:27] Malone bug 96712 in ekg "[Sync request] Sync ekg (1:1.7~rc2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96712 [12:27] mpt: So, what's this number that we're seeing? Some internal ID that was never meant to see the outside world? [12:27] kiko-zzz, and check out the heading above the tabs [12:28] Fujitsu, it was meant to see the outside world, but only in 2005 :-) [12:28] mpt: not all the breadcrumbs will have menus underneath them I think. [12:28] mpt, but that's not intentional.. right? [12:28] mpt: so I'll need some kind of graphic without the down-arrow for those. [12:28] 2005.. so long ago :) [12:28] SteveA, ok [12:28] mpt: you think I should just gimp it up? [12:29] ajmitch, almost as long ago as a-ha and europe [12:29] SteveA, if that means I don't need to do it, sure :-) [12:29] ok [12:29] though I suppose that's actually Victor's job === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [12:29] "who is victor and why is he part of my 1.0 schedule" [12:30] but then it is just obliterating a triangle with the color that surrounds it === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [12:35] SteveA, architectures (e.g. Ubuntu -> 7.04 -> amd64) have submenu triangles but no submenus [12:36] whereas other things that don't have submenus correctly don't have the triangles [12:37] mpt: yes, we need to decide what to do about something that has a submenu defined, but no items in that menu [12:37] should it say "there are no architectures" in the submenu? [12:37] or somehow determine that there would be no items in the submenu, and not display an arrow? [12:38] The latter, I think [12:38] the latter makes for trickier code, and I'll need to think how to actually do that [12:38] without a lot of extra code [12:38] SteveA: How are you going to get a breadcrumb for something that doesn't exist? [12:38] Fujitsu: I know some magik. [12:39] ... how is an architecture breadcrumb for a distrorelease (for example) ever going to appear in the UI, if there are no architectures for that distrorelease? [12:41] I see what you mean. I was speaking at the wrong menu level when I answered mpt. [12:41] I don't understand Fujitsu's question :-) [12:42] mpt: Surely it's not possible to see a breadcrumb for something of which there are no instances, as there is no instance to be in the context of (which would be necessary to see the breadcrumb). [12:43] mpt: how do I choose which of the products of a project to offer navigation to, when there are too many? I'm thinking, those with releases first [12:46] Fujitsu, and why is that a problem? [12:46] mpt: https://beta.launchpad.net/bazaar [12:46] mpt: the spacing in the table of products is weird [12:47] the releases and milestones are crunched up to the subsequent product name [12:47] geser, ah, I can fix the repetition as well [12:47] so to my eye, it looks like the milestones and releases are associated with the wrong things [12:47] mptL You were discussing how to display a submenu if there were no items. [12:47] *mpt: === carlos -> out [12:47] Fujitsu, rght [12:47] right [12:49] SteveA, I get no menu at all on that page [12:49] mpt: yes [12:49] I'm asking about what the menu should show [12:49] Actually I get no menu from "Home" either, so maybe it's me [12:49] but in formatting, I'm talking about the table of products [12:50] I am currently writing the "project" menu [12:50] here's my current plan: [12:50] - if there are 7 or less products in the project, show them all [12:51] - if there are more than 7, show up to 7 with releases [12:51] - if there are less than 7 with releases, show ones with milestones too [12:51] - and add a link to "see all projects in this project group" [12:51] maybe I'll skip the milestones part [12:52] I don't think it particularly matters [12:53] Depending on how fast Launchpad-in-general becomes, when people start realizing that the menu doesn't include all the projects in a project group, they may stop using the menus for project groups === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko-afk === xenru [n=xenru@213.179.252.114] has joined #launchpad === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #launchpad === Egidijus [n=EM@host250-104-static.51-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-241-64.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad === tiagoboldt [n=tiagobol@87-196-61-7.net.novis.pt] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === EM_ [n=EM@host250-104-static.51-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === caravena [n=caravena@206-55-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #launchpad === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #launchpad [02:25] any registry guy here can change a product for me? [02:26] jwendell: which one? [02:26] matsubara, tsclient [02:26] matsubara, it now has a bug tracker on upstream [02:26] matsubara, it's http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=192483&atid=941574 [02:31] jwendell: right, I'll ask kiko when he arrives. [02:31] matsubara, thanks [02:32] jwendell: is that bugtracker already registered in LP? [02:33] matsubara, Sourceforge is [02:33] jwendell: nm, I just noticed that you don't need to register individual instances of SF trackers. :) [02:34] matsubara, i know, tou have to change the product itselfm link its bugs to sf === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-241-64.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [02:53] jwendell: done. [02:55] matsubara, thanks === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.130.247] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable252.1-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #launchpad === avoine [n=avoine@modemcable034.0-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === jonh_wendell is now known as jwendell === bac [n=bac@cpe-065-190-191-245.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === jkakar [n=jkakar@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === marcus_notebook [n=mholthau@66.153.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #launchpad === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad [04:29] you need to be root to use bzr checkout? === Rinchen [n=joey@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #launchpad [04:32] gnomefreak: you should not need to be root, but you need to have permissions to write to the directory you are checking out to [04:34] statik: i think its because when i wiped /home/ out a while back my /.ssh was removed also. is there a way to set it back up without regening key? [04:35] gnomefreak: if you lost your ssh private key you won't be able to authenticate. can you tell me more about what you are trying to do? [04:37] statik: im trying to set up my planet.ubuntu blog again all my info is still on LP servers so just generating that folder again should work. but i dont have my ~/.ssh key folder anymore thanks to deleting my ~/home/ dir. i have ssh key on LP still it hasnt gona anywhere [04:37] gnomefreak: I haven't set up a planet.ubuntu blog myself, but you can generate a new SSH keypair and upload an additional ssh public key to your LP account [04:38] it doesn't hurt anything to have multiple SSH keys registered with your account [04:38] true === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@c-69-181-42-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === lamont wonders what the process is to get access to beta.launchpad.net [05:05] lamont: join launchpad-beta team [05:06] Kmos: ok. once launchpad finishes talking to me... [05:06] and promise you ownt post screenshots === kiko-afk is now known as kiko [05:08] lamont: Yeah, as Kmos and Hobbsee say, simply apply to join the team [05:08] then email me (my nick at canonical.com) to agree not to post screen shots of the beta interface. [05:08] or face defenestration [05:09] Hobbsee: Well, a gentle reminder :) [05:10] mrevell: np. do you want that from my canonical.com email address? :-) === lamont thinks that one is still live, for various reasons [05:11] lamont: if you've one [05:11] mrevell: awww. boring [05:13] mrevell: my @c.c addr is up, but that would be cheating (since I'm not actually on the payroll - I just do stuff....) === mrevell_ [n=matthew@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad [05:18] mrevell: signed email inbound [05:18] otoh, your email bounced. sigh === lamont hax0rs [05:19] lamont: thanks :) [05:19] bounced? [05:19] Damn [05:19] (mrevell@canonical.com) [05:19] first.last dude. [05:19] unless you were in london in april of 2004 at the meeting.. :-) [05:20] or subsequently got an exemption... [05:20] or something like that [05:20] mail resent to the good address [05:20] lamont: Er, I know what my email address is :) Either my first.last or mrevell @ [05:21] : host fiordland.ubuntu.com[82.211.81.145] said: 550 [05:21] : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in [05:21] virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command) [05:21] lamont: Claire says "big hugs and kisses" :) [05:21] fiordland doesn't like you [05:21] cvd or newman? [05:21] lamont: Hmm, damn. Not sure why my email is bouncing. [05:21] lamont: cvd [05:21] right back at her, in either case... [05:21] :) === lamont misses those guys... contemplates crashing the company channels again... decides to be good instead === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell [05:22] lamont: :) === shawn__ [n=shawn@adsl-70-231-255-214.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad [05:22] lamont: woo :) Got your email addr [05:22] anyway, must run [05:22] lamont: err, not addr, just your email [05:23] heh === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch === shawn__ [n=shawn@adsl-70-231-255-214.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad === glatzor [n=sebi@p54965081.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === kiko is now known as kiko-afk === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === fetova [n=user@189.180.67.80] has joined #launchpad === Egidijus [n=EM@host250-104-static.51-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === mdke [n=matt@212-139-118-106.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #launchpad [06:24] New bug: #96878 in launchpad "Launchpad session cookie should be hidden from Javascript" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96878 === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === flacoste is now known as flacoste_lunch === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-19-211.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad === mdke [n=matt@212-139-118-106.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #launchpad === seb128_ is now known as seb128 === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-22-61.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === kiko-afk is now known as kiko-fud === blueyed [n=daniel@i5387D69A.versanet.de] has joined #launchpad [06:59] Hi. Is there a reason why https://launchpad.net/xxx is not a shortcut to bug xxx? (xxx being a number) [07:01] New bug: #97050 in launchpad "Have sprints/ +attend and +register default to start/end dates+times" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97050 === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch [07:03] blueyed: the shortcuts are https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugnr [07:04] blueyed, because there can be projects whose name contain only numbers and thus that would be ambiguous === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad === bigjools [n=ed@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === tiagoboldt [n=tiagobol@87-196-118-74.net.novis.pt] has joined #launchpad [07:11] Ok, I see that the bugs shortcut might be ambigious. Thanks for explaining. [07:11] Next one: it would be nice if the LP references would get links here: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/restricted-manager/+bug/95779/comments/8 :) [07:11] Malone bug 95779 in restricted-manager "Restricted Drivers Manager Fails to Detect nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Martin Pitt (pitti) === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #launchpad [07:20] New bug: #97055 in malone "useless tabs on bug-related pages" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97055 [07:21] blueyed: I thought the standard was supposed to be LP #95779 [07:21] with no colon [07:21] Lumiere: seems to be related to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClosingBugsFromChangelog [07:22] ah I was wrong ;) === bkingx [n=bkingx@adsl-072-151-055-210.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net] has joined #launchpad [07:31] Hey guys! [07:31] This is the place for the Beta Launchpad questions, right? [07:35] How do you add items to our Team's Blueprint page? === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #launchpad [07:36] Anyone? [07:37] We see this as a fantastic feature and want to explore it a bit more. [07:37] Any help would be appreciated. [07:38] what do you mean by items? [07:38] like actual specifications? [07:38] the blueprints tab [07:39] Here is an example: [07:39] https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ny/+specs [07:43] bkingx: you need to register the spec against some product/project/distro [07:43] bkingx: that listing is just a list of projects that ~ubuntu-ny is involved in [07:44] OHH....I thought it was a list of "ToDo" items for that team. [07:44] bkingx: https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu-newyork-us/+specs is what you want [07:44] bkingx: it is [07:44] Where they can assign to there team members. === AlexLatchford [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [07:44] bkingx: right [07:45] Ok then. [07:45] So I need to register. [07:45] Can you point me in the right direction? [07:45] to register a spec? [07:45] the url I gave you ^^ === flacoste_lunch is now known as flacoste [07:45] then hi Register blueprint [07:46] *hit [07:46] OK..trying it now. [07:49] AWESOME!! Thanks LaserJock !!!! [07:49] Just what I was looking for! === Rinchen [n=joey@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === kiko-fud is now known as kiko === bkingx [n=bkingx@adsl-072-151-055-210.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === carlos -> out === BjornT_ [n=bjorn@83.233.58.224] has joined #launchpad [08:15] New bug: #97076 in launchpad "Launchpad should give karma for changing the source package of a bug report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97076 === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #launchpad === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has left #launchpad [] === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #launchpad === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.4.45] has joined #launchpad === kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === matsubara_ [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-073-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #launchpad === Odd_Bloke [n=oddbloke@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #launchpad [09:06] New bug: #97095 in malone "[beta] long bug titles get hidden behind the tabs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97095 === fetova [n=user@189.180.67.80] has left #launchpad [] [09:22] after starting a new team, how do I setup a first blueprint? [09:30] TeTeT: you register a blueprint against a project or distro. For instance, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addspec === openstandards [n=vir@AC8F6314.ipt.aol.com] has joined #launchpad [09:45] matsubara: So I register a new product at https://beta.launchpad.net/products/+new , assign it to the team and add specs there, correct? === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@c-69-181-42-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad [09:47] for the meeting tomorrow, is there a way of asking a question? [09:47] TeTeT: yes. [09:48] openstandards: yes, add your question here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadUserMeeting/2007-03-28 [09:48] thank you [09:48] its at 10 BST tomorrow right? [09:49] openstandards: yes [09:50] damn, need a launchpad account... well my question was concerning openid === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad [09:51] i'll get a mate whos got an account to post my question === shawn__ [n=shawn@netblock-68-183-69-197.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.32.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@c-69-181-42-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db440e5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad [10:22] is LP down? [10:22] i can't access bugs.. it seems to be stalling in the "Waiting for launchpad.net" [10:23] yeah, same here [10:23] ok [10:23] mthaddon, do you have the powers to investigate that already? === mthaddon_ [n=mthaddon@c-69-181-42-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad [10:26] i think it is [10:27]