| JohnFlux | Riddell: can you send me the details of your train travel? | 12:22 |
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| shawarma | @schedule Copenhagen | 12:24 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 27 Mar 10:00: MOTU | 27 Mar 22:00: Technical Board | 28 Mar 22:00: Edubuntu | 29 Mar 00:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 22:00: Marketing Team | 12:24 |
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| nixternal | @schedule chicago | 01:48 |
| ubotu | Schedule for America/Chicago: 27 Mar 03:00: MOTU | 27 Mar 15:00: Technical Board | 28 Mar 15:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 17:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 15:00: Marketing Team | 01:48 |
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| AndrewB | !london | 08:11 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about london - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 08:11 |
| AndrewB | !schedule london | 08:11 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about schedule london - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 08:11 |
| bimberi | @schedule london | 08:15 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/London: 27 Mar 09:00: MOTU | 27 Mar 21:00: Technical Board | 28 Mar 21:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 23:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 21:00: Marketing Team | 08:15 |
| bimberi | AndrewB: ^^^^ | 08:15 |
| AndrewB | ahh | 08:15 |
| AndrewB | thanks bimberi | 08:15 |
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| bimberi | AndrewB: yw :) | 08:16 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Current meeting: MOTU | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 27 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 22:00 UTC: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 20:00 UTC: Marketing Team | ||
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| ajmitch | ok, are we having a meeting or not? :) | 10:00 |
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| TheMuso | Hey all. | 10:00 |
| ajmitch | hi TheMuso | 10:00 |
| TheMuso | Have I missed anything? ) | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | nothing at all | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | so far it's just the two of us | 10:01 |
| TheMuso | Ah ok. | 10:01 |
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| ajmitch | & the only thing on the agenda so far is the MC charter | 10:02 |
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| ajmitch | hi sistpoty | 10:02 |
| TheMuso | SO I can see. | 10:02 |
| TheMuso | Hey sistpoty. | 10:02 |
| sistpoty | hi ajmitch and TheMuso | 10:02 |
| === sistpoty yawns | ||
| ajmitch | you're up very early today ;) | 10:02 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 10:03 |
| === geser yawns too | ||
| sistpoty | ok, do we want to start with the meeting? | 10:05 |
| dholbach | heya | 10:05 |
| sistpoty | hi dholbach | 10:05 |
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| ajmitch | hi dholbach | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: we've been trying ;) | 10:06 |
| sistpoty | :) | 10:06 |
| sistpoty | ok, anyone volunteering to do the minutes? | 10:06 |
| TheMuso | Yeah ok. | 10:07 |
| sistpoty | TheMuso: does that mean you're volunteering for the minutes? :) | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | yes | 10:08 |
| TheMuso | sistpoty: It does indeed. | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | don't let him get away | 10:08 |
| sistpoty | great, thanks! | 10:08 |
| TheMuso | np | 10:08 |
| dholbach | ok, let's get started | 10:08 |
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| sistpoty | yes... *looking at the agenda* | 10:09 |
| dholbach | sistpoty wants to discuss "Work out MOTU Council's charter MOTU/Council/Charter" | 10:09 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings | 10:09 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Charter | 10:09 |
| === TheMuso reads | ||
| sistpoty | ok, since the motu council still is in the way in finding its place in motu community, which has caused some annoyance recently, we've tried to get this sorted out into a proposal during the last motu council meeting | 10:10 |
| sistpoty | now, I've tried to put this in the charter somehow last night, I hope I got it in a good way ;) | 10:11 |
| sistpoty | so basically I'm asking here everyone, what you think of it, what needs to be changed/improved | 10:11 |
| sistpoty | and finally to acknowledge the charter (or reject it, if it's all wrong *g*) | 10:11 |
| dholbach | I'm basically very happy with it | 10:12 |
| dholbach | any other opinions on it? | 10:13 |
| TheMuso | I like the idea of a MOTU meeting every two weeks. | 10:13 |
| === ajmitch is happy | ||
| dholbach | regular events++ | 10:13 |
| TheMuso | The way I see the MOTU council, is a group of individuals that are well known and respected in the group, who have the skills and experience to approve/decline candidates, and make difficult decisions if needed. | 10:14 |
| TheMuso | WHich is basically what it is anyway. | 10:14 |
| TheMuso | So yeah sounds good to me. :) | 10:14 |
| sistpoty | :) | 10:14 |
| TheMuso | What disputes if any would there be between MOTUs? | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | technical arguments, generally | 10:15 |
| TheMuso | I find it hard to think of any, as we all seem to work well with each other. | 10:15 |
| dholbach | yeah, we're all quite focussed on "getting work done" | 10:16 |
| sistpoty | yep... this was basically a leftover from the first try... should we drop it? | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | I think it'd be more for where there's real disagreement on how to get something done | 10:16 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: SOunds good. | 10:16 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: I'd keep it - I think it's a good thing there's somebody responsible for mediating between groups if it comes to disagreements | 10:17 |
| TheMuso | Pitty there aren't more of us here. | 10:17 |
| dholbach | we should blog more about MOTU :-) | 10:17 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 10:17 |
| === ajmitch just got blogged about | ||
| ajmitch | not pointing any fingers or anything | 10:17 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: ?? | 10:17 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: ah... mediating was apparently the wording I was really looking for here :) | 10:17 |
| === ajmitch points a finger at Burgundavia | ||
| geser | LaserJock started with interviews of MOTUs | 10:18 |
| TheMuso | Ah. | 10:18 |
| Burgundavia | I will chase down the Behind Ubuntu people | 10:18 |
| Burgundavia | and get them to do more interviews | 10:19 |
| Burgundavia | and then I will chase all you down for interviews :) | 10:19 |
| === ajmitch was going to do an interview with them at one point | ||
| ajmitch | but they probably won't want that again :) | 10:19 |
| sistpoty | ok, let's get back to the charter... is there something obvious missing? | 10:20 |
| ajmitch | not that I could see | 10:20 |
| TheMuso | Me neither. | 10:20 |
| dholbach | it'd be nice to integrate ajmitch's summary somehow | 10:21 |
| dholbach | but apart from that it's fine | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | summary from MC meeting? | 10:21 |
| TheMuso | But since there are only a few of us here, what do you say we put a final call to the ml? I don't like the fact that not everybody is getting a chance to have a say. | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: I thought there'd be a *few* more people here | 10:21 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: My point exactly. | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | like Hobbsee | 10:21 |
| sistpoty | TheMuso: good idea | 10:22 |
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| TheMuso | heh | 10:22 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: I'd also like to see the summary in the actual charter, but I've only managed to transform it into a foreword somehow :( | 10:23 |
| sistpoty | <- no brainer ;) | 10:23 |
| === dholbach hugs sistpoty | ||
| dholbach | sistpoty: will you mail the list about it? | 10:24 |
| sistpoty | ok, I will | 10:24 |
| dholbach | super | 10:24 |
| dholbach | any other business before we move on to fixed items? | 10:24 |
| sistpoty | is the TODO list up to date? | 10:25 |
| TheMuso | Yeah I have something I just want to ask about | 10:25 |
| dholbach | I tagged quite a bunch of bugs and filed the unmetdeps bugs | 10:25 |
| dholbach | and there's been quite some activity on fixing bugs | 10:25 |
| === sistpoty hugs dholbach | ||
| === ajmitch did try & help with unmet deps :( | ||
| dholbach | TheMuso: fire away | 10:25 |
| === dholbach hugs ajmitch | ||
| gpocentek | (morning MOTUs) | 10:26 |
| TheMuso | Since we are getting/want to get more people on board, I am wondering whether we should consider putting something in place for merging at the begiinning of a release, like what we have had previously. | 10:26 |
| sistpoty | hi gpocentek | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | hey gpocentek | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: like the merge web tool? | 10:26 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: To indicate who is doing what. The more people we have, the harder it will be to determine who has got what merge. | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | which is exactly what that did | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | basically stating that you had a lock on that package | 10:27 |
| TheMuso | I believe some people in this cycle filed bugs etc, but that wasn't manditory if I remember correctly. | 10:27 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Ah I don't really remember seeing that anywhere. | 10:27 |
| TheMuso | I may have been out of the loop at the time. | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | it was very useful, used malone bugs to track it | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | I think we used it for dapper? | 10:27 |
| sistpoty | yes, sounds like a good idea to me, as I think the merges for feisty stagnated at some point because too few people touched other people's merges | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty coded it :) | 10:27 |
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| TheMuso | ajmitch: Got an URL that we can give newcomers? And can the bot be updated with info about merging perhaps? | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | no, it was disabled since then | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | iirc | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | bot can be updated | 10:28 |
| sistpoty | yep, it's disabled (and a little bit broken atm) | 10:28 |
| TheMuso | sistpoty: Yeah, and the more of us there are, the messier it could be. | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | code would need revived & freshened | 10:28 |
| TheMuso | If we don't have something like that. | 10:28 |
| sistpoty | I guess I could set it up pretty quickly again, but the bug parser really should be redone (there was no x-launchpad thingy in bug mails at the beginning *g*) | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | should be a trivial task ;) | 10:30 |
| TheMuso | sistpoty: I am sure some of us would be happy to help you get it back up again. | 10:30 |
| TheMuso | But I think it should be ready before the new release cycle starts. | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | code is at http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/mergeWebTool/ in a bzr branch I think | 10:30 |
| sistpoty | that would be great... because it has had some issues at the past, where I'd have to manually fix things, and it would also be a great help if I there were more people who could then fix things ;) | 10:31 |
| === ajmitch branches it | ||
| sistpoty | and I must admit that I don't have much of a clue about the packages thingy I stole from ajmitch :P | 10:31 |
| ajmitch | heh | 10:31 |
| ajmitch | which thing was that? | 10:31 |
| === TheMuso also branches. | ||
| sistpoty | ajmitch: it imported package versions from unstable into the database | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | ah | 10:32 |
| dholbach | with the use of tags it should be quite easy | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | ah yes, I see that code now | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | shameful ;) | 10:32 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 10:32 |
| dholbach | one could use python-launchpad-bugs for the launchpad end | 10:33 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: to file merge bugs? or for s.th. else? | 10:33 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: I made it about 100x faster by using britney code | 10:33 |
| sistpoty | :) | 10:33 |
| TheMuso | Ok this python is a little beyond me. :) | 10:33 |
| ajmitch | which is what I use each night for the RC bugs list | 10:33 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: to get an overview over which bugs are filed, who filed them, etc etc | 10:33 |
| sistpoty | ah... | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: instead of mail? | 10:34 |
| TheMuso | And I think a few of us have wishes that MOM had a comments field for packages. Should we pursue that with Scott? | 10:34 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: yeah, why not? I don't insist on it - was just an idea | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | either that or scrape the pages & add in annotatoin :) | 10:34 |
| === ajmitch was going to add a comments field to his rc bugs list | ||
| Mithrandir | TheMuso: no, ask doko or me for MOM stuff now. | 10:35 |
| sistpoty | oh, we need also some script to actually file bugs... iirc the script from \sh: we had back then broke somewhen due to lp changing | 10:35 |
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| TheMuso | Mithrandir: Oh ok. | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | Mithrandir: excellent :) | 10:35 |
| === ajmitch bribes Mithrandir | ||
| TheMuso | haha | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: just hack requestsync | 10:35 |
| sistpoty | good idea :) | 10:36 |
| ajmitch | though it can't tag by email yet | 10:36 |
| dholbach | python-launchpad-bugs can tag | 10:37 |
| ajmitch | useful | 10:37 |
| dholbach | http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/retag.py | 10:37 |
| TheMuso | Did we not have a package in universe that had useful MOTU tools at some stage? | 10:38 |
| dholbach | yeah, we should pursue that | 10:38 |
| dholbach | I'm sure everybody of us has nifty small tools that make life easier | 10:38 |
| === ajmitch has a whole pile | ||
| TheMuso | Mostly tools others have written, but yeah. | 10:38 |
| sistpoty | how about starting a bzr-repo to collect useful scripts? | 10:39 |
| dholbach | who creates a motutools product in launchpad so we can have a bzr branch for that? | 10:39 |
| dholbach | branches | 10:39 |
| TheMuso | I can if people would like. | 10:39 |
| dholbach | great | 10:39 |
| sistpoty | :) | 10:39 |
| === ajmitch thought we already had something somewhere | ||
| ajmitch | I know I had some of my stuff in a branch on tiber | 10:40 |
| dholbach | good to have it in LP | 10:41 |
| sistpoty | I guess the "something somewhere" is part of the problem ;) | 10:41 |
| TheMuso | Ok I'll do that after the meeting. | 10:41 |
| ajmitch | ;) | 10:41 |
| dholbach | ok... anything else? | 10:41 |
| TheMuso | And annouce to the ML. | 10:41 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: thanks a lot | 10:41 |
| === ajmitch will have to spend weeks cleaning up scripts before they can be useful for others | ||
| sistpoty | next motu meeting time? 2 weeks from now? | 10:41 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: COmmit them, and we can do it together. :) | 10:41 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: same time? later? | 10:42 |
| === TheMuso thinks about two weeks away. | ||
| TheMuso | Yeah I can do that. | 10:42 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: maybe we should rotate times? | 10:42 |
| ajmitch | 2 weeks from now is just after Easter | 10:42 |
| TheMuso | I am happy to rotate. | 10:42 |
| sistpoty | (in case there won't be a conflict) | 10:42 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: True. | 10:42 |
| ajmitch | rotating may be good, given how few people showed up here | 10:42 |
| TheMuso | I'll probably be catching up with a weekend's worth of email | 10:42 |
| TheMuso | After being away. :) | 10:43 |
| sistpoty | apr, 10 is tb meeting at 20.00utc, so we can't rotate to *that* time | 10:43 |
| sistpoty | (unless I can't count weeks now, like last meeting *g*) | 10:43 |
| dholbach | 18:00 utc then? | 10:43 |
| sistpoty | ok with me | 10:44 |
| dholbach | so we get the americans too | 10:44 |
| TheMuso | Um, if you want an aussie, I can't do that. | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | you can have a kiwi, as long as you supply the caffeine IV drip | 10:44 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: hehe | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | (6AM for me) | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | 4AM for TheMuso & others in that area | 10:44 |
| dholbach | wed 20:00 utc? | 10:45 |
| TheMuso | Yeah thats fine. | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | ok | 10:45 |
| sistpoty | yep | 10:45 |
| TheMuso | I don't think it has to be two weeks exactly. | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | I think :) | 10:45 |
| === ajmitch is meant to be at work at 20:30UTC | ||
| dholbach | hang on | 10:45 |
| dholbach | there's edubuntu meeting | 10:45 |
| highvoltage | somoene said edubuntu meeting? | 10:46 |
| TheMuso | I think us down under will have to face the fact that we can't make all meetings. | 10:46 |
| dholbach | apr 11th | 10:46 |
| highvoltage | ah scheduling... (/me moves on) | 10:46 |
| sistpoty | mon 9 apr still contains no schedules *g* | 10:46 |
| === TheMuso throws hands in the air. If I miss it, I miss it. No big deal. | ||
| dholbach | sistpoty: isn't that when easter still is? | 10:47 |
| TheMuso | We can't please everybody. | 10:47 |
| Hobbsee | ooh strike, the meeting! just when i went afk for a while! | 10:47 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: right | 10:47 |
| === dholbach hugs Hobbsee | ||
| sistpoty | now that explains why the slot is still empty *g* | 10:47 |
| === Hobbsee hugs dholbach | ||
| === sistpoty shrugs about meeting times then | ||
| === Hobbsee quickly reads the backscroll | ||
| dholbach | apr, 12th 20:00 utc then | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee!! | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: alright ;) | 10:48 |
| dholbach | we have to make it a quick one, as the distro team meets one hour after that | 10:48 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: ubuntu dev team meeting | 10:48 |
| sistpoty | ah, right | 10:48 |
| dholbach | but given that we're short before release, there's not much to discuss anyway | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | april 12th, 20:00UTC will do | 10:49 |
| TheMuso | Yep sounds good. | 10:49 |
| dholbach | don't talk - fix bugs :) | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | ooh, friday 13th! | 10:49 |
| sistpoty | anyone unhappy with 12th, 20:00UTC? | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | nope :) | 10:50 |
| sistpoty | 3 | 10:50 |
| sistpoty | 2 | 10:50 |
| sistpoty | 1 | 10:50 |
| sistpoty | set | 10:50 |
| sistpoty | :) | 10:50 |
| ajmitch | yay! | 10:50 |
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| TheMuso | haha | 10:50 |
| dholbach | rock | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch!!! | 10:50 |
| dholbach | next universe hug day? | 10:50 |
| === ajmitch hugs dholbach | ||
| Hobbsee | sistpoty: i am. grah. | 10:50 |
| === ajmitch hugs Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | oh, i wont even make that, most likely | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | but that's OK | 10:51 |
| sistpoty | hm... once again, /me was too quick | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | that whole merging thing with comments would help | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | but i never sued the dapper merging thing | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | I'd hope not | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | you weren't as involved back then though | 10:51 |
| TheMuso | ROFL | 10:51 |
| TheMuso | Sorry, I took that the wrong way. | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | my poor DSL line at home... ;) | 10:52 |
| dholbach | when is the next universe hug day? | 10:52 |
| dholbach | do you find it useful? | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: true | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | s/sued/used/ | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: friday? | 10:52 |
| TheMuso | I haven't been round for the last couple, so can't say. | 10:52 |
| === ajmitch hasn't really been involved in the hug day stuff | ||
| === sistpoty doesn't have too much spare time for fixing bugs atm | ||
| dholbach | ajmitch: sounds good to me | 10:53 |
| dholbach | i'll write an announce | 10:53 |
| sistpoty | but I guess the hug days have been pretty good, weren't they? | 10:53 |
| TheMuso | Friday sounds good. | 10:53 |
| === ajmitch has been doing some hacking on stuff for feisty+1 (sorry) | ||
| === Hobbsee doesnt have time at the moment - kde stuff is my focus | ||
| ajmitch | as well as fixes for my code for feisty | 10:54 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot everybody - I think we're all set with the meeting, right? | 10:55 |
| === sistpoty is | ||
| TheMuso | Yep. | 10:55 |
| TheMuso | I'll go grab some dinner, and will do the meetings/create motutools product. | 10:56 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: you rock | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | thanks! | 10:56 |
| sistpoty | thanks everyone! | 10:57 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: yep, meeting finished, etc :) | 10:57 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty can return to sleep | 10:57 |
| TheMuso | Ok, thanks all. | 10:57 |
| sistpoty | haha | 10:57 |
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| dholbach | thanks all | 10:57 |
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| deep | sry. | 03:27 |
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| Keybuk | looking at the agenda, this should be nice and quick :) | 09:59 |
| mjg59 | Indeed | 10:00 |
| mjg59 | We expecing mdz or Mark? | 10:00 |
| Keybuk | I was talking to mdz only a few minutes ago | 10:00 |
| Keybuk | so I'd expect so | 10:01 |
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| mdz | evening all | 10:01 |
| mjg59 | Evening | 10:01 |
| Keybuk | ok, so let's get started | 10:02 |
| mdz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 10:02 |
| mdz | (hmm, need to update that template for the new motu process) | 10:03 |
| mdz | I'm not aware of any core-dev applicants today, are you? | 10:03 |
| mjg59 | Nope | 10:03 |
| Keybuk | none that I'm aware of | 10:03 |
| mdz | there is one motu application pending confirmation | 10:04 |
| mdz | Lionel Le Folgoc | 10:04 |
| mdz | I haven't reviewed it yet | 10:04 |
| mdz | just received today | 10:04 |
| Keybuk | I had reviewed it, and was happy | 10:04 |
| mdz | ok, your ack is sufficient to effect the change in LP | 10:04 |
| Keybuk | done | 10:05 |
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| Keybuk | (when beta does it) | 10:05 |
| mjg59 | I concour, for the record | 10:05 |
| mdz | Keybuk: will you also send a welcome to -devel? | 10:05 |
| Keybuk | do we have a template for that? | 10:06 |
| Keybuk | ah, I see dholbach has one | 10:06 |
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| mdz | Keybuk: you can use the last one I sent as a template | 10:07 |
| mdz | and maybe put it into a wiki somewhere | 10:07 |
| Keybuk | yup | 10:07 |
| mdz | thanks | 10:08 |
| mdz | is there any other business? | 10:08 |
| mdz | short and sweet | 10:09 |
| mdz | thanks all | 10:09 |
| Keybuk | thanks | 10:09 |
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| Daviey | @schedule london | 10:37 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/London: Current meeting: Technical Board | 28 Mar 21:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 23:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 21:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 16:00: Community question time | 10:37 |
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