[12:22] <JohnFlux> Riddell: can you send me the details of your train travel?
[12:24] <shawarma> @schedule Copenhagen
[12:24] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 27 Mar 10:00: MOTU | 27 Mar 22:00: Technical Board | 28 Mar 22:00: Edubuntu | 29 Mar 00:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 22:00: Marketing Team
[01:48] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[01:48] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 27 Mar 03:00: MOTU | 27 Mar 15:00: Technical Board | 28 Mar 15:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 17:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 15:00: Marketing Team
[08:11] <AndrewB> !london
[08:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about london - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:11] <AndrewB> !schedule london
[08:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about schedule london - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:15] <bimberi> @schedule london
[08:15] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/London: 27 Mar 09:00: MOTU | 27 Mar 21:00: Technical Board | 28 Mar 21:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 23:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 21:00: Marketing Team
[08:15] <bimberi> AndrewB: ^^^^
[08:15] <AndrewB> ahh
[08:15] <AndrewB> thanks bimberi
[08:16] <bimberi> AndrewB: yw :)
[10:00] <ajmitch> ok, are we having a meeting or not? :)
[10:00] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[10:00] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso
[10:01] <TheMuso> Have I missed anything? )
[10:01] <ajmitch> nothing at all
[10:01] <ajmitch> so far it's just the two of us
[10:01] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[10:02] <ajmitch> & the only thing on the agenda so far is the MC charter
[10:02] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty
[10:02] <TheMuso> SO I can see.
[10:02] <TheMuso> Hey sistpoty.
[10:02] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch and TheMuso
[10:02] <ajmitch> you're up very early today ;)
[10:03] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:05] <sistpoty> ok, do we want to start with the meeting?
[10:05] <dholbach> heya
[10:05] <sistpoty> hi dholbach
[10:06] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[10:06] <ajmitch> sistpoty: we've been trying ;)
[10:06] <sistpoty> :)
[10:06] <sistpoty> ok, anyone volunteering to do the minutes?
[10:07] <TheMuso> Yeah ok.
[10:08] <sistpoty> TheMuso: does that mean you're volunteering for the minutes? :)
[10:08] <ajmitch> yes
[10:08] <TheMuso> sistpoty: It does indeed.
[10:08] <ajmitch> don't let him get away
[10:08] <sistpoty> great, thanks!
[10:08] <TheMuso> np
[10:08] <dholbach> ok, let's get started
[10:09] <sistpoty> yes... *looking at the agenda*
[10:09] <dholbach> sistpoty wants to discuss "Work out MOTU Council's charter MOTU/Council/Charter"
[10:09] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings
[10:09] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Charter
[10:10] <sistpoty> ok, since the motu council still is in the way in finding its place in motu community, which has caused some annoyance recently, we've tried to get this sorted out into a proposal during the last motu council meeting
[10:11] <sistpoty> now, I've tried to put this in the charter somehow last night, I hope I got it in a good way ;)
[10:11] <sistpoty> so basically I'm asking here everyone, what you think of it, what needs to be changed/improved
[10:11] <sistpoty> and finally to acknowledge the charter (or reject it, if it's all wrong *g*)
[10:12] <dholbach> I'm basically very happy with it
[10:13] <dholbach> any other opinions on it?
[10:13] <TheMuso> I like the idea of a MOTU meeting every two weeks.
[10:13] <dholbach> regular events++
[10:14] <TheMuso> The way I see the MOTU council, is a group of individuals that are well known and respected in the group, who have the skills and experience to approve/decline candidates, and make difficult decisions if needed.
[10:14] <TheMuso> WHich is basically what it is anyway.
[10:14] <TheMuso> So yeah sounds good to me. :)
[10:14] <sistpoty> :)
[10:15] <TheMuso> What disputes if any would there be between MOTUs?
[10:15] <ajmitch> technical arguments, generally
[10:15] <TheMuso> I find it hard to think of any, as we all seem to work well with each other.
[10:16] <dholbach> yeah, we're all quite focussed on "getting work done"
[10:16] <sistpoty> yep... this was basically a leftover from the first try... should we drop it?
[10:16] <ajmitch> I think it'd be more for where there's real disagreement on how to get something done
[10:16] <TheMuso> ajmitch: SOunds good.
[10:17] <dholbach> sistpoty: I'd keep it - I think it's a good thing there's somebody responsible for mediating between groups if it comes to disagreements
[10:17] <TheMuso> Pitty there aren't more of us here.
[10:17] <dholbach> we should blog more about MOTU :-)
[10:17] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:17] <ajmitch> not pointing any fingers or anything
[10:17] <TheMuso> ajmitch: ??
[10:17] <sistpoty> dholbach: ah... mediating was apparently the wording I was really looking for here :)
[10:18] <geser> LaserJock started with interviews of MOTUs
[10:18] <TheMuso> Ah.
[10:18] <Burgundavia> I will chase down the Behind Ubuntu people
[10:19] <Burgundavia> and get them to do more interviews
[10:19] <Burgundavia> and then I will chase all you down for interviews :)
[10:19] <ajmitch> but they probably won't want that again :)
[10:20] <sistpoty> ok, let's get back to the charter... is there something obvious missing?
[10:20] <ajmitch> not that I could see
[10:20] <TheMuso> Me neither.
[10:21] <dholbach> it'd be nice to integrate ajmitch's summary somehow
[10:21] <dholbach> but apart from that it's fine
[10:21] <ajmitch> summary from MC meeting?
[10:21] <TheMuso> But since there are only a few of us here, what do you say we put a final call to the ml? I don't like the fact that not everybody is getting a chance to have a say.
[10:21] <ajmitch> TheMuso: I thought there'd be a *few* more people here
[10:21] <TheMuso> ajmitch: My point exactly.
[10:21] <ajmitch> like Hobbsee
[10:22] <sistpoty> TheMuso: good idea
[10:22] <TheMuso> heh
[10:23] <sistpoty> dholbach: I'd also like to see the summary in the actual charter, but I've only managed to transform it into a foreword somehow :(
[10:23] <sistpoty> <- no brainer ;)
[10:24] <dholbach> sistpoty: will you mail the list about it?
[10:24] <sistpoty> ok, I will
[10:24] <dholbach> super
[10:24] <dholbach> any other business before we move on to fixed items?
[10:25] <sistpoty> is the TODO list up to date?
[10:25] <TheMuso> Yeah I have something I just want to ask about
[10:25] <dholbach> I tagged quite a bunch of bugs and filed the unmetdeps bugs
[10:25] <dholbach> and there's been quite some activity on fixing bugs
[10:25] <dholbach> TheMuso: fire away
[10:26] <gpocentek> (morning MOTUs)
[10:26] <TheMuso> Since we are getting/want to get more people on board, I am wondering whether we should consider putting something in place for merging at the begiinning of a release, like what we have had previously.
[10:26] <sistpoty> hi gpocentek
[10:26] <ajmitch> hey gpocentek
[10:26] <ajmitch> TheMuso: like the merge web tool?
[10:26] <TheMuso> ajmitch: To indicate who is doing what. The more people we have, the harder it will be to determine who has got what merge.
[10:26] <ajmitch> which is exactly what that did
[10:27] <ajmitch> basically stating that you had a lock on that package
[10:27] <TheMuso> I believe some people in this cycle filed bugs etc, but that wasn't manditory if I remember correctly.
[10:27] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Ah I don't really remember seeing that anywhere.
[10:27] <TheMuso> I may have been out of the loop at the time.
[10:27] <ajmitch> it was very useful, used malone bugs to track it
[10:27] <ajmitch> I think we used it for dapper?
[10:27] <sistpoty> yes, sounds like a good idea to me, as I think the merges for feisty stagnated at some point because too few people touched other people's merges
[10:27] <ajmitch> sistpoty coded it :)
[10:28] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Got an URL that we can give newcomers? And can the bot be updated with info about merging perhaps?
[10:28] <ajmitch> no, it was disabled since then
[10:28] <ajmitch> iirc
[10:28] <ajmitch> bot can be updated
[10:28] <sistpoty> yep, it's disabled (and a little bit broken atm)
[10:28] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Yeah, and the more of us there are, the messier it could be.
[10:28] <ajmitch> code would need revived & freshened
[10:28] <TheMuso> If we don't have something like that.
[10:29] <sistpoty> I guess I could set it up pretty quickly again, but the bug parser really should be redone (there was no x-launchpad thingy in bug mails at the beginning *g*)
[10:30] <ajmitch> should be a trivial task ;)
[10:30] <TheMuso> sistpoty: I am sure some of us would be happy to help you get it back up again.
[10:30] <TheMuso> But I think it should be ready before the new release cycle starts.
[10:30] <ajmitch> code is at http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/mergeWebTool/ in a bzr branch I think
[10:31] <sistpoty> that would be great... because it has had some issues at the past, where I'd have to manually fix things, and it would also be a great help if I there were more people who could then fix things ;)
[10:31] <sistpoty> and I must admit that I don't have much of a clue about the packages thingy I stole from ajmitch :P
[10:31] <ajmitch> heh
[10:31] <ajmitch> which thing was that?
[10:32] <sistpoty> ajmitch: it imported package versions from unstable into the database
[10:32] <ajmitch> ah
[10:32] <dholbach> with the use of tags it should be quite easy
[10:32] <ajmitch> ah yes, I see that code now
[10:32] <ajmitch> shameful ;)
[10:32] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:33] <dholbach> one could use python-launchpad-bugs for the launchpad end
[10:33] <sistpoty> dholbach: to file merge bugs? or for s.th. else?
[10:33] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I made it about 100x faster by using britney code
[10:33] <sistpoty> :)
[10:33] <TheMuso> Ok this python is a little beyond me. :)
[10:33] <ajmitch> which is what I use each night for the RC bugs list
[10:33] <dholbach> sistpoty: to get an overview over which bugs are filed, who filed them, etc etc
[10:34] <sistpoty> ah...
[10:34] <ajmitch> dholbach: instead of mail?
[10:34] <TheMuso> And I think a few of us have wishes that MOM had a comments field for packages. Should we pursue that with Scott?
[10:34] <dholbach> ajmitch: yeah, why not? I don't insist on it - was just an idea
[10:34] <ajmitch> either that or scrape the pages & add in annotatoin :)
[10:35] <Mithrandir> TheMuso: no, ask doko or me for MOM stuff now.
[10:35] <sistpoty> oh, we need also some script to actually file bugs... iirc the script from \sh: we had back then broke somewhen due to lp changing
[10:35] <TheMuso> Mithrandir: Oh ok.
[10:35] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: excellent :)
[10:35] <TheMuso> haha
[10:35] <ajmitch> sistpoty: just hack requestsync
[10:36] <sistpoty> good idea :)
[10:36] <ajmitch> though it can't tag by email yet
[10:37] <dholbach> python-launchpad-bugs can tag
[10:37] <ajmitch> useful
[10:37] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/retag.py
[10:38] <TheMuso> Did we not have a package in universe that had useful MOTU tools at some stage?
[10:38] <dholbach> yeah, we should pursue that
[10:38] <dholbach> I'm sure everybody of us has nifty small tools that make life easier
[10:38] <TheMuso> Mostly tools others have written, but yeah.
[10:39] <sistpoty> how about starting a bzr-repo to collect useful scripts?
[10:39] <dholbach> who creates a motutools product in launchpad so we can have a bzr branch for that?
[10:39] <dholbach> branches
[10:39] <TheMuso> I can if people would like.
[10:39] <dholbach> great
[10:39] <sistpoty> :)
[10:40] <ajmitch> I know I had some of my stuff in a branch on tiber
[10:41] <dholbach> good to have it in LP
[10:41] <sistpoty> I guess the "something somewhere" is part of the problem ;)
[10:41] <TheMuso> Ok I'll do that after the meeting.
[10:41] <ajmitch> ;)
[10:41] <dholbach> ok... anything else?
[10:41] <TheMuso> And annouce to the ML.
[10:41] <dholbach> TheMuso: thanks a lot
[10:41] <sistpoty> next motu meeting time? 2 weeks from now?
[10:41] <TheMuso> ajmitch: COmmit them, and we can do it together. :)
[10:42] <dholbach> sistpoty: same time? later?
[10:42] <TheMuso> Yeah I can do that.
[10:42] <sistpoty> dholbach: maybe we should rotate times?
[10:42] <ajmitch> 2 weeks from now is just after Easter
[10:42] <TheMuso> I am happy to rotate.
[10:42] <sistpoty> (in case there won't be a conflict)
[10:42] <TheMuso> ajmitch: True.
[10:42] <ajmitch> rotating may be good, given how few people showed up here
[10:42] <TheMuso> I'll probably be catching up with a weekend's worth of email
[10:43] <TheMuso> After being away. :)
[10:43] <sistpoty> apr, 10 is tb meeting at 20.00utc, so we can't rotate to *that* time
[10:43] <sistpoty> (unless I can't count weeks now, like last meeting *g*)
[10:43] <dholbach> 18:00 utc then?
[10:44] <sistpoty> ok with me
[10:44] <dholbach> so we get the americans too
[10:44] <TheMuso> Um, if you want an aussie, I can't do that.
[10:44] <ajmitch> you can have a kiwi, as long as you supply the caffeine IV drip
[10:44] <TheMuso> ajmitch: hehe
[10:44] <ajmitch> (6AM for me)
[10:44] <ajmitch> 4AM for TheMuso & others in that area
[10:45] <dholbach> wed 20:00 utc?
[10:45] <TheMuso> Yeah thats fine.
[10:45] <ajmitch> ok
[10:45] <sistpoty> yep
[10:45] <TheMuso> I don't think it has to be two weeks exactly.
[10:45] <ajmitch> I think :)
[10:45] <dholbach> hang on
[10:45] <dholbach> there's edubuntu meeting
[10:46] <highvoltage> somoene said edubuntu meeting?
[10:46] <TheMuso> I think us down under will have to face the fact that we can't make all meetings.
[10:46] <dholbach> apr 11th
[10:46] <highvoltage> ah scheduling... (/me moves on)
[10:46] <sistpoty> mon 9 apr still contains no schedules *g*
[10:47] <dholbach> sistpoty: isn't that when easter still is?
[10:47] <TheMuso> We can't please everybody.
[10:47] <Hobbsee> ooh strike, the meeting!  just when i went afk for a while!
[10:47] <sistpoty> dholbach: right
[10:47] <sistpoty> now that explains why the slot is still empty *g*
[10:48] <dholbach> apr, 12th 20:00 utc then
[10:48] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!!
[10:48] <ajmitch> dholbach: alright ;)
[10:48] <dholbach> we have to make it a quick one, as the distro team meets one hour after that
[10:48] <sistpoty> dholbach: ubuntu dev team meeting
[10:48] <sistpoty> ah, right
[10:48] <dholbach> but given that we're short before release, there's not much to discuss anyway
[10:49] <ajmitch> april 12th, 20:00UTC will do
[10:49] <TheMuso> Yep sounds good.
[10:49] <dholbach> don't talk - fix bugs :)
[10:49] <ajmitch> ooh, friday 13th!
[10:49] <sistpoty> anyone unhappy with 12th, 20:00UTC?
[10:50] <ajmitch> nope :)
[10:50] <sistpoty> 3
[10:50] <sistpoty> 2
[10:50] <sistpoty> 1
[10:50] <sistpoty> set
[10:50] <sistpoty> :)
[10:50] <ajmitch> yay!
[10:50] <TheMuso> haha
[10:50] <dholbach> rock
[10:50] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!!!
[10:50] <dholbach> next universe hug day?
[10:50] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: i am.  grah.
[10:51] <Hobbsee> oh, i wont even make that, most likely
[10:51] <Hobbsee> but that's OK
[10:51] <sistpoty> hm... once again, /me was too quick
[10:51] <Hobbsee> that whole merging thing with comments would help
[10:51] <Hobbsee> but i never sued the dapper merging thing
[10:51] <ajmitch> I'd hope not
[10:51] <ajmitch> you weren't as involved back then though
[10:51] <TheMuso> ROFL
[10:52] <TheMuso> Sorry, I took that the wrong way.
[10:52] <ajmitch> my poor DSL line at home... ;)
[10:52] <dholbach> when is the next universe hug day?
[10:52] <dholbach> do you find it useful?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: true
[10:52] <Hobbsee> s/sued/used/
[10:52] <ajmitch> dholbach: friday?
[10:52] <TheMuso> I haven't been round for the last couple, so can't say.
[10:53] <dholbach> ajmitch: sounds good to me
[10:53] <dholbach> i'll write an announce
[10:53] <sistpoty> but I guess the hug days have been pretty good, weren't they?
[10:53] <TheMuso> Friday sounds good.
[10:54] <ajmitch> as well as fixes for my code for feisty
[10:55] <dholbach> thanks a lot everybody - I think we're all set with the meeting, right?
[10:55] <TheMuso> Yep.
[10:56] <TheMuso> I'll go grab some dinner, and will do the meetings/create motutools product.
[10:56] <dholbach> TheMuso: you rock
[10:56] <ajmitch> thanks!
[10:57] <sistpoty> thanks everyone!
[10:57] <ajmitch> dholbach: yep, meeting finished, etc :)
[10:57] <ajmitch> sistpoty can return to sleep
[10:57] <TheMuso> Ok, thanks all.
[10:57] <sistpoty> haha
[10:57] <dholbach> thanks all
[03:27] <deep> j #ubuntu-motu
[03:27] <deep> sry.
[04:20] <Phoenix24> @motu
[09:59] <Keybuk> looking at the agenda, this should be nice and quick :)
[10:00] <mjg59> Indeed
[10:00] <mjg59> We expecing mdz or Mark?
[10:00] <Keybuk> I was talking to mdz only a few minutes ago
[10:01] <Keybuk> so I'd expect so
[10:01] <mdz> evening all
[10:01] <mjg59> Evening
[10:02] <Keybuk> ok, so let's get started
[10:02] <mdz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[10:03] <mdz> (hmm, need to update that template for the new motu process)
[10:03] <mdz> I'm not aware of any core-dev applicants today, are you?
[10:03] <mjg59> Nope
[10:03] <Keybuk> none that I'm aware of
[10:04] <mdz> there is one motu application pending confirmation
[10:04] <mdz> Lionel Le Folgoc
[10:04] <mdz> I haven't reviewed it yet
[10:04] <mdz> just received today
[10:04] <Keybuk> I had reviewed it, and was happy
[10:04] <mdz> ok, your ack is sufficient to effect the change in LP
[10:05] <Keybuk> done
[10:05] <Keybuk> (when beta does it)
[10:05] <mjg59> I concour, for the record
[10:05] <mdz> Keybuk: will you also send a welcome to -devel?
[10:06] <Keybuk> do we have a template for that?
[10:06] <Keybuk> ah, I see dholbach has one
[10:07] <mdz> Keybuk: you can use the last one I sent as a template
[10:07] <mdz> and maybe put it into a wiki somewhere
[10:07] <Keybuk> yup
[10:08] <mdz> thanks
[10:08] <mdz> is there any other business?
[10:09] <mdz> short and sweet
[10:09] <mdz> thanks all
[10:09] <Keybuk> thanks
[10:37] <Daviey> @schedule london
[10:37] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/London: Current meeting: Technical Board | 28 Mar 21:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 23:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 21:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 16:00: Community question time