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williammandaanyone awake?01:10
williammandaquestion or problem....01:10
williammandai added a new backend and removed another....01:11
williammandaboth were slaves....01:11
williammandaon the console for the master backend ....01:11
williammandait is trying to get rid of the programs that were on the slave unit that was removed...01:12
williammandahow can i fix this?01:12
williammandaalso...this should be related....01:14
williammandaunder system status....01:14
williammandait still shows a tuner for the slave backend that was removed...says tuner 4 unavaiable01:15
williammandahow can I get rid of tuner 4?01:15
williammandaAnother question...if the master backend or any backend gets low on hard drive space...01:18
williammandawill myth store the movie where ever space is avaiable...any backend unit?01:19
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keescooksuperm1: so, what do you think about for solutions to bug 41339?  I ran into this myself when installing it clean too.02:07
ubotuMalone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4133902:07
Xenocidethat was weird my backend just crashed03:13
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Jon_yoosicHi. I have some video encoding questions specifically regarding AcidRip and Google Video, is this a good place to ask or do you guys know a more specific channel I should check in?03:26
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spiderwormcan anyone tell me how to use my mouse with mythtv?04:09
spiderwormi heard mouse support has been included now?04:09
spiderwormnm found it04:14
superm1keescook, i'm going to try a clean install right now.  i'm installing a brand new feisty vm05:06
superm1keescook, i'll do it with the "mythtv" metapackage and see what happens05:06
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majoridiotedgy has old, buggy network drivers for nforce3...  fixed in feisty06:03
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superm1majoridiot, some bugs cropped up in feisty that i'm taking care of.  might want to hold off a little06:11
majoridiot?06:12
superm1a bunch got reported tonite06:15
majoridiotfigures.06:15
majoridiotjust when i was going to setup a proper FE/BE... hook it to the rarely used tv and everything.06:16
superm1well you can, the big one just requires msttcorefonts installed06:16
majoridiotwha happened?06:17
superm1well i dropped it from dependencies the other day because the themes i looked at weren't using it06:22
superm1but apparently gant and a few others do06:22
majoridiotah06:23
majoridiotthat's the biggest prob?06:23
superm1well that and apparently the "mythtv" package isnt working anymore06:23
superm1it caused a few failed installs06:23
superm1bug 4133906:23
ubotuMalone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4133906:23
majoridiotodd.06:24
superm1for both keescook and a few that commented on the bug06:24
superm1i am installing a vm right now to see if it happens to me06:24
majoridiotdid something change in the last week?06:25
majoridiotwent in like a DREAM for me.06:25
superm1well have you used "mythtv" metapackage06:25
superm1or others only?06:25
majoridiotyes06:25
majoridiotspecifically for the FEBEdesk06:25
majoridioti almost creamed myself it was so swwet.06:26
superm1okay welll thats reassuring06:26
majoridiotnot a hiccup at all.06:26
superm1trying as we speak06:26
majoridioti will too.06:26
majoridiotthe desktop metapack, right?06:27
superm1the metapack called mythtv06:27
superm1yes06:27
majoridiothm.06:27
majoridiotok... installing a fresh desktop06:27
superm1hm it appears that a few tables dont exist for me06:28
superm1mythconverg.keybindings06:28
superm1and a few others06:28
superm1its failing database schema upgrades...06:32
superm1hm06:32
superm1it appears to have worked when i did it by hand, mysql-server-5.0 followed by mythtv-database06:38
majoridiotso the metapack failed for you?06:40
superm1yes06:40
superm1i'm not sure if it was a fluke of the package or somehting else06:40
superm1i'm redoing once more06:40
majoridiothm.06:40
superm1hm wtf.  went fine this time06:41
majoridiothehe06:41
majoridiotmy desktop is almost done... i'll update and then try the metapack06:41
superm1k06:41
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superm1root confusion?06:43
majoridiotthat the prompt on the metpack is confusing... user root or mysql root06:43
majoridiotit explicitly states mysql administrator06:44
superm1oh from but 4133906:45
superm1* bug 4133906:45
ubotuMalone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4133906:45
superm1i was just rereading it again06:46
majoridiotok... i'm updating everything but openoffice after a fresh install herd 5 desktop.06:47
superm1k06:48
superm1i'm going to redo it for the third time just to make sure06:48
superm1so what really happens when you put in a bad password to that mysql dialog?06:52
superm1something bad?06:52
majoridiotyes06:52
superm1irreversible?06:53
superm1or no06:53
majoridiotactually...06:53
majoridiotin the prompt for msql admin?06:53
majoridiotum... sorry.06:53
superm1yes06:53
majoridiotmisunderstood.  i couldn't tell you.  i never did it.06:53
superm1okay after this third try, i'll purge and try that06:54
superm1 okay that first time must have just been a fluke for me07:01
superm1the package does fine07:01
superm1lets see what happens when you give a bad root password for mysql then07:02
majoridiotyou want me to?07:02
superm1try the functional install first07:03
superm1like i did to verify that this package really does do it fine07:03
superm1installing mysl-server etal07:03
majoridiotk07:03
superm1seriously that dialog for mythtv-database.  "Unless you have explicitly changed the password on the MySQL server, leave this blank"07:08
superm1what more can someone want out of that??07:08
majoridiotno prompt at all?07:08
majoridiotLOL07:08
superm1and then what if you *have* changed the mysql password07:08
superm1then you can't install the package07:08
majoridiotyou mean in a previously existing mysql installation?07:09
superm1right07:09
majoridiothm07:09
majoridiotif you enter the correct existing pw you should.  no?07:10
superm1if you enter the correct password on an existing install, things should work07:11
majoridiotyes07:11
majoridiotand if there is no root pw on an existing install or it is a new install it should work too07:11
superm1which it does07:11
superm1okay so here is the chain of events if you put the wrong root password:07:13
majoridiotok... FULLY updated, minus OO07:13
majoridiotchecked... no mysql07:13
superm1you try to start mythtv-setup and get errors with connecting to the database07:13
superm1duh, :)07:13
majoridiotinstalling mythtv metapackage07:13
superm1asked to check settings07:13
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superm1and it still doesnt work07:14
superm1so you do dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database07:14
superm1and cant connect to the dtabase still07:15
superm1because it wasnt properly installed the first time07:15
superm1thats what happens to people07:15
majoridiotnot bothering to read07:15
majoridiotor follow instructions07:16
majoridiotthe other thing that gets them07:16
superm1yea07:16
majoridiotis they either do not add their user to mythtv group, or they do not log out if they do07:16
majoridiotin that case...07:16
majoridiotmythtv-setup spits database errors bigtime07:17
majoridiotand then the group fix won't help, because .mythtv was not created07:17
superm1well with the wrapper scripts, you have to be pretty silly to ignore the big warning07:17
superm1okay so here is my end conclusion:07:18
superm1you mess up and put the wrong root password in during mythtv-database, the only solution is to purge the package and redo it07:18
superm1no need to reset passwords07:18
superm1or anything like that07:18
majoridiothm.  feisty crashed and locked on logout.07:19
superm1well thats feisty's fault not mythtv's ;)07:20
majoridiot100% success07:21
majoridiotother than the logout crash.  as scripted.07:22
majoridiotexcept no fonts.07:22
superm1(msttcorefonts)07:23
majoridiotyeah07:23
majoridiot;)07:23
superm1its because a bunch of those apparently depend on arial07:23
superm1which is in msttcorefonts07:23
superm1silly if you ask me07:23
majoridiotno main menu07:24
majoridiothehe07:24
majoridiotis that for all the myth packages?07:24
majoridiotk07:25
majoridiotdo i need to screw up the install now?07:25
superm1yes07:25
majoridiotk07:25
majoridiotpurge mythtv?07:25
superm1well i think we need a logical solution to this mysql problem07:26
superm1perhaps calling dpkg-reconfigure mysql during mythtv installation?07:26
superm1so that you SET your mysql password07:26
superm1rather then ask the current one?07:26
majoridiotdo you want mythtv uninstalled pr purged before the re-install?07:27
superm1purged07:27
majoridiotk07:27
majoridiotone can't purge a metapackage the same as it is installed?07:29
majoridiotall it did was purge mythtv.   all 65K of the metapack.07:30
superm1then autoremove --purge07:32
superm1will get the rest07:32
superm1okay so thinking of this a little further:07:32
superm1if the dialog is gone07:32
superm1asking for the password, then it ruins the package completely if the *do* have a passowrd07:32
superm1because you cant enter it later07:32
majoridiotcorrect07:34
majoridioti think the point is...07:34
majoridiotthere is only so much idiot-proofing one can do07:34
majoridiotif they READ and follow directions, it works every time.07:34
majoridiotyou have to expect some measure of basic competency07:35
majoridiotno?07:35
majoridiotok... purged.  screw up the mysql this time, right?07:35
superm1right07:36
majoridiotok... one complaint07:36
majoridiotthe second dialog STILL says to run setup as the mythtv user07:36
majoridiotwhich one can not do07:36
majoridiotthat dialog needs changed to run from a member of the group mythtv07:37
majoridiotor add yourself, etc.07:37
superm1i didnt correct that?07:38
superm1you sure07:38
superm1maybe its only in bzr i fixed it07:38
superm1let me double check and make sure07:38
majoridioti just sat and stared at it.07:38
majoridiotcursing you quietly07:38
superm1(well make sure its in bzr)07:38
majoridiothehe07:38
majoridiotok... screwed up the pw07:39
majoridiotdb error galore, of course.07:39
superm1so see if there is anyway you can find to recover without changing passwords07:45
superm1and such07:45
superm1i dont think there is07:45
majoridiotwithout changing any passwords at all?07:46
majoridiotok07:46
superm1because you and i both know that the passwords set are still right07:46
superm1and you shouldnt need to log into mysql to solve this07:47
superm1okay i updated the templates to reflect that info07:47
superm1about mythtv-group07:47
majoridiot:)07:48
majoridiotty07:48
majoridiotwell, i've wasted all the time i want to for now...07:57
majoridiotwithout changing pw, no way around immediately apparent07:58
superm1okay07:58
superm1thats what i was thinking07:58
majoridiotin summary, follow the damn directions.07:58
superm1well we need to think up some vooodoo to do for these packages scripts i think07:58
superm1that might help this07:58
superm1i'm going to keep thinking about it07:58
majoridiothow about some SIMPLE voodoo...07:58
majoridioti popup at the front07:58
superm1maybe a checkbox, have you changed your mysql password?07:59
majoridiotwith a link to the guides.  a link in the description with a firm suggestion to visit the guides before installing would be good too.07:59
superm1hm link to the guides08:00
superm1like a popup, you should visit here first?08:00
majoridiotyes08:01
superm1i'll have to ask keescook if doing something like that is acceptable in a package08:01
superm1i'm not entirely sure08:01
majoridiotmaybe *really* explicitly state that one just can't install without reading anf following directions.08:01
majoridiotit's the reverse windoze syndrome...08:02
majoridiotinstead of blindly clicking ok, like in win, they get conditioned to enter their password anytime they see the word password.08:02
majoridiotregardless of the context.08:03
majoridiotIf you have an *existing * installation of mysql database with a root password, enter it here.  OTHERWISE PLEASE JUST PRESS ENTER!!!08:05
majoridiot(think they might get that one?)08:05
majoridiotlol08:05
superm1well i really want the packages to be user dumb enough that they can get by without docs, but go to the docs if there is trouble08:12
majoridiotok...08:13
superm1does that make sense?08:13
majoridiotyes08:13
superm1i mean as much as i want people to read the docs to start08:14
majoridiotso...08:14
superm1you and i both know that there are lots of people that wont08:14
majoridiotif there is an existing mysql when you install mythtv meta... (unlikely, but possible)08:14
majoridiotthere is an easy way to check that, no?08:14
superm1hm i'm not sure08:15
majoridiotif !mysql, then skip the root prompt entirely08:15
majoridiotif mysql, then a carefully phrased prompt08:16
majoridiotlike the one above LOL08:16
superm1well how about this -08:17
superm1it tries to connect with no password first08:17
superm1and then if it can't then it asks?08:17
superm1that way it doesnt matter at what point you installed mysql08:17
majoridiotabsolutely08:17
superm1only if you secured it08:17
majoridiotand if it aint secure, then who cares.08:18
majoridiotpillage it with some mythconverg08:18
majoridiotall unwillingly and stuff.08:18
majoridiotbest solution.  good thinking.08:18
superm1and you know i think that would seriously cover all corners that we have had password troubles this last release08:19
majoridiotyup08:20
majoridiotthe only way it could fail is if the forget their existing mqsql root pw08:20
majoridiotand you can't guard against that,08:20
superm1well thats not our problem08:20
superm1it better not be :)08:20
majoridiotjust wait... it WILL be.08:21
majoridiotLOL08:21
majoridiotRe: Why can't mythtv remember mysql password?08:21
superm1where is this from?08:28
majoridiotsarcasm08:29
majoridiot;)08:29
superm1hehe08:29
superm1its getting a wee bit late on my part here, and i still have to turn in a paper08:29
superm1crap forgot to do that a few hours ago08:29
majoridiotholy crap... i gotta be up in les than 6 hrs.08:29
majoridiotlol08:29
majoridioti'm out.  ttyl08:29
superm1okay later dude08:29
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Xenociderise and shine everyone03:26
superm1morn Xenocide03:40
superm1hey Daviey03:41
Xenocidehow you doin superm103:54
superm1Xenocide, a bit tired this morning.  i dont exactly remember when i fell asleep last night03:57
superm1my laptop was on the floor next to me03:57
superm1and i was on the couch this morning03:57
superm1woke up 20 min late and was 20 min late for class03:57
superm1and of course my paper wasn't turned in at 11 like it was supposed to be....03:58
Xenocidenice nice03:58
Xenocideim stuck in electrical engineering, doing....nothing hes explaning how to use excel03:58
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superm1Xenocide, it appears that you figured out dynamic ssh forwarding03:58
superm1work well?03:58
Xenocideworks fine03:59
Xenocidekept dropping my connection last night but it is because i get horrible signal in my physics lecture hall03:59
superm1its also very useful if you are somewhere that you are worried about your password to a non ssl site being sniffed03:59
Xenocideis it actually secure?03:59
superm1i installed MM3-Proxy for FF, and whenever I come to such a site and i'm on campus, i hit the enable proxy button, browse etc, and then come back04:00
superm1well everything is encrypted in the SSH tunnel to your place04:00
superm1so your no more secure then browsing from your appt04:00
Xenocidehm04:00
superm1but that is for sure a significant improvement over sending passwords in clear text over the campus wifi04:01
Xenocideyea04:01
Xenocidethey give us such horrible wifi04:01
Xenocideatleast they raised the speed to 30kbps last week04:01
Xenocidebefore that it was504:01
Xenocide1504:01
superm1i cant believe they cap you guys04:01
Xenocidethey lock everything down here04:01
superm1here i am getting 1300 kb/s as i'm downloading feisty updates04:01
Xenocideim so jealous04:02
Xenocidethat port would probabbly be blocked for us04:02
Xenocideall we have is outgoing port 8004:02
Xenocidei can't even get my pop email04:02
superm1well updates are downloaded via http04:02
superm1so still port 8004:03
superm1you can get your email through dynamic ssh as long as your mail client supports a socks proxy04:03
Xenocideright04:03
Xenocidebut i shouldnt' have to do that :-P04:03
superm1agreed04:04
superm1so right now, i'm attempting to sort out bug 4133904:05
Xenocidei don't know how you guys do email at iowa but we have exchange servers, but students don't get access to them with exchange protocol, ONLY webmail or crappy imap04:05
ubotuMalone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4133904:05
Xenocidethat bot is actualy useful...04:05
superm1haha04:05
superm1well i'm wondering if you guys have a better idea to solve the problem04:05
superm1then what i'm seeing the feasability rihgt now04:06
Xenocidenot even loading for me04:06
superm1beta.launchpad.net is slow lately04:06
superm1give it a moment04:06
superm1oh wait are you on beta.launchpad.net?04:06
superm1or regular04:06
Xenocideregular04:07
Xenocidethe one the bot linked to04:07
superm1ah04:07
Xenocidejust got it to load04:07
Xenocidelet me read it04:07
superm1k04:07
superm1Xenocide, oh we have pop3 with kerberos, annoying as shit.  either that or crappy webmail.  i dont bother with either - just forward to gmail and call it a day04:07
Xenocidewe can't even forward04:08
Xenocideso this is a mythtv -- mysql problem04:08
superm1oh we just need to make a .forward in our home directory04:08
superm1with the email address to send to04:09
superm1and it works for us04:09
superm1but you have to go to a unix/linux machine on campus to do it since you cant make files start with a . in windows04:09
superm1Xenocide, yes04:09
superm1Xenocide, it boils down to if you put the wrong password when mythtv-database requests the root password, all hell breaks loose04:10
Xenocidemaybe my problem was related, but everytime in installed, i had to change my mysql password as well04:10
Xenocidei just hit enter04:10
Xenocideand it never worked04:10
Xenocidei always had to reset the password manually04:10
superm1you should never have to do that04:10
Xenocidei had to on every install i made recently04:10
Xenocidebecause mythtv-setup would always error out04:10
superm1then you have been doing something wrong in here04:10
superm1either not adding to the group04:10
superm1not logging out04:10
superm1or something like that04:11
Xenocidemaybe not logging out04:11
superm1feisty won't let you run mythtv-setup until you log out and back in after adding to the group04:11
superm1well unless you click through a few big warnings telling you that you need to know what your doing04:11
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Xenocidelol04:16
gardengnomei love how the topic of #mythtv-users has "http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/" in it.04:18
gardengnome:)04:18
superm1haha04:18
superm1wow04:18
gardengnome"wow"? i wish more people would consider such a thing. :)04:19
superm1okay class is up04:19
superm1later guys04:19
gardengnomecall me elitist ;)04:19
gardengnomelater superm104:19
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superm1jetsaredim, hey06:29
jetsaredimyo06:29
superm1so your ubiquity changes working again now that your on feisty?06:30
jetsaredimdidn't get a chance to try them yet06:30
jetsaredimunfortunately06:30
jetsaredimprobably tonight after dinner06:31
jetsaredim(at work now)06:31
superm1ah okay06:31
superm1whats your lp account?  i'll add you to the team so you can commit changes06:32
jetsaredimJaredGreenwald06:33
jetsaredimI think06:33
jetsaredimhow do I tell?06:34
superm1no doesnt seem to work06:34
jetsaredimtry greenwaldjared06:34
superm1k06:34
superm1there ya go06:34
superm1okay so you can now commit changes06:34
jetsaredimok cool06:34
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Xenocidesuperm1 just got that card replaced, they charged me $70 for an advance rma that i better get back once they get my card, i hate when they do th at06:55
Xenocideshould be here thursday06:55
superm1thats great06:55
Xenocidewatch it not work again LOL06:55
superm1well cross your fingers i  guess06:56
Xenocidehave you used crossover office?06:56
superm1a few times on campus06:56
superm1but not on any of my machines06:56
Xenocidework well?06:56
superm1yea it did06:56
superm1i dont think it will run office 07 for you though06:56
Xenocideyea i know, prepared to use 0306:56
superm1i think crossover offers trials so you can see how it works prior to purchase06:57
Xenocidehm06:58
superm1k gotta run again.07:01
superm1bbl07:01
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