williammanda | anyone awake? | 01:10 |
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williammanda | question or problem.... | 01:10 |
williammanda | i added a new backend and removed another.... | 01:11 |
williammanda | both were slaves.... | 01:11 |
williammanda | on the console for the master backend .... | 01:11 |
williammanda | it is trying to get rid of the programs that were on the slave unit that was removed... | 01:12 |
williammanda | how can i fix this? | 01:12 |
williammanda | also...this should be related.... | 01:14 |
williammanda | under system status.... | 01:14 |
williammanda | it still shows a tuner for the slave backend that was removed...says tuner 4 unavaiable | 01:15 |
williammanda | how can I get rid of tuner 4? | 01:15 |
williammanda | Another question...if the master backend or any backend gets low on hard drive space... | 01:18 |
williammanda | will myth store the movie where ever space is avaiable...any backend unit? | 01:19 |
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keescook | superm1: so, what do you think about for solutions to bug 41339? I ran into this myself when installing it clean too. | 02:07 |
ubotu | Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 | 02:07 |
Xenocide | that was weird my backend just crashed | 03:13 |
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Jon_yoosic | Hi. I have some video encoding questions specifically regarding AcidRip and Google Video, is this a good place to ask or do you guys know a more specific channel I should check in? | 03:26 |
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spiderworm | can anyone tell me how to use my mouse with mythtv? | 04:09 |
spiderworm | i heard mouse support has been included now? | 04:09 |
spiderworm | nm found it | 04:14 |
superm1 | keescook, i'm going to try a clean install right now. i'm installing a brand new feisty vm | 05:06 |
superm1 | keescook, i'll do it with the "mythtv" metapackage and see what happens | 05:06 |
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majoridiot | edgy has old, buggy network drivers for nforce3... fixed in feisty | 06:03 |
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superm1 | majoridiot, some bugs cropped up in feisty that i'm taking care of. might want to hold off a little | 06:11 |
majoridiot | ? | 06:12 |
superm1 | a bunch got reported tonite | 06:15 |
majoridiot | figures. | 06:15 |
majoridiot | just when i was going to setup a proper FE/BE... hook it to the rarely used tv and everything. | 06:16 |
superm1 | well you can, the big one just requires msttcorefonts installed | 06:16 |
majoridiot | wha happened? | 06:17 |
superm1 | well i dropped it from dependencies the other day because the themes i looked at weren't using it | 06:22 |
superm1 | but apparently gant and a few others do | 06:22 |
majoridiot | ah | 06:23 |
majoridiot | that's the biggest prob? | 06:23 |
superm1 | well that and apparently the "mythtv" package isnt working anymore | 06:23 |
superm1 | it caused a few failed installs | 06:23 |
superm1 | bug 41339 | 06:23 |
ubotu | Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 | 06:23 |
majoridiot | odd. | 06:24 |
superm1 | for both keescook and a few that commented on the bug | 06:24 |
superm1 | i am installing a vm right now to see if it happens to me | 06:24 |
majoridiot | did something change in the last week? | 06:25 |
majoridiot | went in like a DREAM for me. | 06:25 |
superm1 | well have you used "mythtv" metapackage | 06:25 |
superm1 | or others only? | 06:25 |
majoridiot | yes | 06:25 |
majoridiot | specifically for the FEBEdesk | 06:25 |
majoridiot | i almost creamed myself it was so swwet. | 06:26 |
superm1 | okay welll thats reassuring | 06:26 |
majoridiot | not a hiccup at all. | 06:26 |
superm1 | trying as we speak | 06:26 |
majoridiot | i will too. | 06:26 |
majoridiot | the desktop metapack, right? | 06:27 |
superm1 | the metapack called mythtv | 06:27 |
superm1 | yes | 06:27 |
majoridiot | hm. | 06:27 |
majoridiot | ok... installing a fresh desktop | 06:27 |
superm1 | hm it appears that a few tables dont exist for me | 06:28 |
superm1 | mythconverg.keybindings | 06:28 |
superm1 | and a few others | 06:28 |
superm1 | its failing database schema upgrades... | 06:32 |
superm1 | hm | 06:32 |
superm1 | it appears to have worked when i did it by hand, mysql-server-5.0 followed by mythtv-database | 06:38 |
majoridiot | so the metapack failed for you? | 06:40 |
superm1 | yes | 06:40 |
superm1 | i'm not sure if it was a fluke of the package or somehting else | 06:40 |
superm1 | i'm redoing once more | 06:40 |
majoridiot | hm. | 06:40 |
superm1 | hm wtf. went fine this time | 06:41 |
majoridiot | hehe | 06:41 |
majoridiot | my desktop is almost done... i'll update and then try the metapack | 06:41 |
superm1 | k | 06:41 |
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superm1 | root confusion? | 06:43 |
majoridiot | that the prompt on the metpack is confusing... user root or mysql root | 06:43 |
majoridiot | it explicitly states mysql administrator | 06:44 |
superm1 | oh from but 41339 | 06:45 |
superm1 | * bug 41339 | 06:45 |
ubotu | Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 | 06:45 |
superm1 | i was just rereading it again | 06:46 |
majoridiot | ok... i'm updating everything but openoffice after a fresh install herd 5 desktop. | 06:47 |
superm1 | k | 06:48 |
superm1 | i'm going to redo it for the third time just to make sure | 06:48 |
superm1 | so what really happens when you put in a bad password to that mysql dialog? | 06:52 |
superm1 | something bad? | 06:52 |
majoridiot | yes | 06:52 |
superm1 | irreversible? | 06:53 |
superm1 | or no | 06:53 |
majoridiot | actually... | 06:53 |
majoridiot | in the prompt for msql admin? | 06:53 |
majoridiot | um... sorry. | 06:53 |
superm1 | yes | 06:53 |
majoridiot | misunderstood. i couldn't tell you. i never did it. | 06:53 |
superm1 | okay after this third try, i'll purge and try that | 06:54 |
superm1 | okay that first time must have just been a fluke for me | 07:01 |
superm1 | the package does fine | 07:01 |
superm1 | lets see what happens when you give a bad root password for mysql then | 07:02 |
majoridiot | you want me to? | 07:02 |
superm1 | try the functional install first | 07:03 |
superm1 | like i did to verify that this package really does do it fine | 07:03 |
superm1 | installing mysl-server etal | 07:03 |
majoridiot | k | 07:03 |
superm1 | seriously that dialog for mythtv-database. "Unless you have explicitly changed the password on the MySQL server, leave this blank" | 07:08 |
superm1 | what more can someone want out of that?? | 07:08 |
majoridiot | no prompt at all? | 07:08 |
majoridiot | LOL | 07:08 |
superm1 | and then what if you *have* changed the mysql password | 07:08 |
superm1 | then you can't install the package | 07:08 |
majoridiot | you mean in a previously existing mysql installation? | 07:09 |
superm1 | right | 07:09 |
majoridiot | hm | 07:09 |
majoridiot | if you enter the correct existing pw you should. no? | 07:10 |
superm1 | if you enter the correct password on an existing install, things should work | 07:11 |
majoridiot | yes | 07:11 |
majoridiot | and if there is no root pw on an existing install or it is a new install it should work too | 07:11 |
superm1 | which it does | 07:11 |
superm1 | okay so here is the chain of events if you put the wrong root password: | 07:13 |
majoridiot | ok... FULLY updated, minus OO | 07:13 |
majoridiot | checked... no mysql | 07:13 |
superm1 | you try to start mythtv-setup and get errors with connecting to the database | 07:13 |
superm1 | duh, :) | 07:13 |
majoridiot | installing mythtv metapackage | 07:13 |
superm1 | asked to check settings | 07:13 |
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superm1 | and it still doesnt work | 07:14 |
superm1 | so you do dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database | 07:14 |
superm1 | and cant connect to the dtabase still | 07:15 |
superm1 | because it wasnt properly installed the first time | 07:15 |
superm1 | thats what happens to people | 07:15 |
majoridiot | not bothering to read | 07:15 |
majoridiot | or follow instructions | 07:16 |
majoridiot | the other thing that gets them | 07:16 |
superm1 | yea | 07:16 |
majoridiot | is they either do not add their user to mythtv group, or they do not log out if they do | 07:16 |
majoridiot | in that case... | 07:16 |
majoridiot | mythtv-setup spits database errors bigtime | 07:17 |
majoridiot | and then the group fix won't help, because .mythtv was not created | 07:17 |
superm1 | well with the wrapper scripts, you have to be pretty silly to ignore the big warning | 07:17 |
superm1 | okay so here is my end conclusion: | 07:18 |
superm1 | you mess up and put the wrong root password in during mythtv-database, the only solution is to purge the package and redo it | 07:18 |
superm1 | no need to reset passwords | 07:18 |
superm1 | or anything like that | 07:18 |
majoridiot | hm. feisty crashed and locked on logout. | 07:19 |
superm1 | well thats feisty's fault not mythtv's ;) | 07:20 |
majoridiot | 100% success | 07:21 |
majoridiot | other than the logout crash. as scripted. | 07:22 |
majoridiot | except no fonts. | 07:22 |
superm1 | (msttcorefonts) | 07:23 |
majoridiot | yeah | 07:23 |
majoridiot | ;) | 07:23 |
superm1 | its because a bunch of those apparently depend on arial | 07:23 |
superm1 | which is in msttcorefonts | 07:23 |
superm1 | silly if you ask me | 07:23 |
majoridiot | no main menu | 07:24 |
majoridiot | hehe | 07:24 |
majoridiot | is that for all the myth packages? | 07:24 |
majoridiot | k | 07:25 |
majoridiot | do i need to screw up the install now? | 07:25 |
superm1 | yes | 07:25 |
majoridiot | k | 07:25 |
majoridiot | purge mythtv? | 07:25 |
superm1 | well i think we need a logical solution to this mysql problem | 07:26 |
superm1 | perhaps calling dpkg-reconfigure mysql during mythtv installation? | 07:26 |
superm1 | so that you SET your mysql password | 07:26 |
superm1 | rather then ask the current one? | 07:26 |
majoridiot | do you want mythtv uninstalled pr purged before the re-install? | 07:27 |
superm1 | purged | 07:27 |
majoridiot | k | 07:27 |
majoridiot | one can't purge a metapackage the same as it is installed? | 07:29 |
majoridiot | all it did was purge mythtv. all 65K of the metapack. | 07:30 |
superm1 | then autoremove --purge | 07:32 |
superm1 | will get the rest | 07:32 |
superm1 | okay so thinking of this a little further: | 07:32 |
superm1 | if the dialog is gone | 07:32 |
superm1 | asking for the password, then it ruins the package completely if the *do* have a passowrd | 07:32 |
superm1 | because you cant enter it later | 07:32 |
majoridiot | correct | 07:34 |
majoridiot | i think the point is... | 07:34 |
majoridiot | there is only so much idiot-proofing one can do | 07:34 |
majoridiot | if they READ and follow directions, it works every time. | 07:34 |
majoridiot | you have to expect some measure of basic competency | 07:35 |
majoridiot | no? | 07:35 |
majoridiot | ok... purged. screw up the mysql this time, right? | 07:35 |
superm1 | right | 07:36 |
majoridiot | ok... one complaint | 07:36 |
majoridiot | the second dialog STILL says to run setup as the mythtv user | 07:36 |
majoridiot | which one can not do | 07:36 |
majoridiot | that dialog needs changed to run from a member of the group mythtv | 07:37 |
majoridiot | or add yourself, etc. | 07:37 |
superm1 | i didnt correct that? | 07:38 |
superm1 | you sure | 07:38 |
superm1 | maybe its only in bzr i fixed it | 07:38 |
superm1 | let me double check and make sure | 07:38 |
majoridiot | i just sat and stared at it. | 07:38 |
majoridiot | cursing you quietly | 07:38 |
superm1 | (well make sure its in bzr) | 07:38 |
majoridiot | hehe | 07:38 |
majoridiot | ok... screwed up the pw | 07:39 |
majoridiot | db error galore, of course. | 07:39 |
superm1 | so see if there is anyway you can find to recover without changing passwords | 07:45 |
superm1 | and such | 07:45 |
superm1 | i dont think there is | 07:45 |
majoridiot | without changing any passwords at all? | 07:46 |
majoridiot | ok | 07:46 |
superm1 | because you and i both know that the passwords set are still right | 07:46 |
superm1 | and you shouldnt need to log into mysql to solve this | 07:47 |
superm1 | okay i updated the templates to reflect that info | 07:47 |
superm1 | about mythtv-group | 07:47 |
majoridiot | :) | 07:48 |
majoridiot | ty | 07:48 |
majoridiot | well, i've wasted all the time i want to for now... | 07:57 |
majoridiot | without changing pw, no way around immediately apparent | 07:58 |
superm1 | okay | 07:58 |
superm1 | thats what i was thinking | 07:58 |
majoridiot | in summary, follow the damn directions. | 07:58 |
superm1 | well we need to think up some vooodoo to do for these packages scripts i think | 07:58 |
superm1 | that might help this | 07:58 |
superm1 | i'm going to keep thinking about it | 07:58 |
majoridiot | how about some SIMPLE voodoo... | 07:58 |
majoridiot | i popup at the front | 07:58 |
superm1 | maybe a checkbox, have you changed your mysql password? | 07:59 |
majoridiot | with a link to the guides. a link in the description with a firm suggestion to visit the guides before installing would be good too. | 07:59 |
superm1 | hm link to the guides | 08:00 |
superm1 | like a popup, you should visit here first? | 08:00 |
majoridiot | yes | 08:01 |
superm1 | i'll have to ask keescook if doing something like that is acceptable in a package | 08:01 |
superm1 | i'm not entirely sure | 08:01 |
majoridiot | maybe *really* explicitly state that one just can't install without reading anf following directions. | 08:01 |
majoridiot | it's the reverse windoze syndrome... | 08:02 |
majoridiot | instead of blindly clicking ok, like in win, they get conditioned to enter their password anytime they see the word password. | 08:02 |
majoridiot | regardless of the context. | 08:03 |
majoridiot | If you have an *existing * installation of mysql database with a root password, enter it here. OTHERWISE PLEASE JUST PRESS ENTER!!! | 08:05 |
majoridiot | (think they might get that one?) | 08:05 |
majoridiot | lol | 08:05 |
superm1 | well i really want the packages to be user dumb enough that they can get by without docs, but go to the docs if there is trouble | 08:12 |
majoridiot | ok... | 08:13 |
superm1 | does that make sense? | 08:13 |
majoridiot | yes | 08:13 |
superm1 | i mean as much as i want people to read the docs to start | 08:14 |
majoridiot | so... | 08:14 |
superm1 | you and i both know that there are lots of people that wont | 08:14 |
majoridiot | if there is an existing mysql when you install mythtv meta... (unlikely, but possible) | 08:14 |
majoridiot | there is an easy way to check that, no? | 08:14 |
superm1 | hm i'm not sure | 08:15 |
majoridiot | if !mysql, then skip the root prompt entirely | 08:15 |
majoridiot | if mysql, then a carefully phrased prompt | 08:16 |
majoridiot | like the one above LOL | 08:16 |
superm1 | well how about this - | 08:17 |
superm1 | it tries to connect with no password first | 08:17 |
superm1 | and then if it can't then it asks? | 08:17 |
superm1 | that way it doesnt matter at what point you installed mysql | 08:17 |
majoridiot | absolutely | 08:17 |
superm1 | only if you secured it | 08:17 |
majoridiot | and if it aint secure, then who cares. | 08:18 |
majoridiot | pillage it with some mythconverg | 08:18 |
majoridiot | all unwillingly and stuff. | 08:18 |
majoridiot | best solution. good thinking. | 08:18 |
superm1 | and you know i think that would seriously cover all corners that we have had password troubles this last release | 08:19 |
majoridiot | yup | 08:20 |
majoridiot | the only way it could fail is if the forget their existing mqsql root pw | 08:20 |
majoridiot | and you can't guard against that, | 08:20 |
superm1 | well thats not our problem | 08:20 |
superm1 | it better not be :) | 08:20 |
majoridiot | just wait... it WILL be. | 08:21 |
majoridiot | LOL | 08:21 |
majoridiot | Re: Why can't mythtv remember mysql password? | 08:21 |
superm1 | where is this from? | 08:28 |
majoridiot | sarcasm | 08:29 |
majoridiot | ;) | 08:29 |
superm1 | hehe | 08:29 |
superm1 | its getting a wee bit late on my part here, and i still have to turn in a paper | 08:29 |
superm1 | crap forgot to do that a few hours ago | 08:29 |
majoridiot | holy crap... i gotta be up in les than 6 hrs. | 08:29 |
majoridiot | lol | 08:29 |
majoridiot | i'm out. ttyl | 08:29 |
superm1 | okay later dude | 08:29 |
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Xenocide | rise and shine everyone | 03:26 |
superm1 | morn Xenocide | 03:40 |
superm1 | hey Daviey | 03:41 |
Xenocide | how you doin superm1 | 03:54 |
superm1 | Xenocide, a bit tired this morning. i dont exactly remember when i fell asleep last night | 03:57 |
superm1 | my laptop was on the floor next to me | 03:57 |
superm1 | and i was on the couch this morning | 03:57 |
superm1 | woke up 20 min late and was 20 min late for class | 03:57 |
superm1 | and of course my paper wasn't turned in at 11 like it was supposed to be.... | 03:58 |
Xenocide | nice nice | 03:58 |
Xenocide | im stuck in electrical engineering, doing....nothing hes explaning how to use excel | 03:58 |
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superm1 | Xenocide, it appears that you figured out dynamic ssh forwarding | 03:58 |
superm1 | work well? | 03:58 |
Xenocide | works fine | 03:59 |
Xenocide | kept dropping my connection last night but it is because i get horrible signal in my physics lecture hall | 03:59 |
superm1 | its also very useful if you are somewhere that you are worried about your password to a non ssl site being sniffed | 03:59 |
Xenocide | is it actually secure? | 03:59 |
superm1 | i installed MM3-Proxy for FF, and whenever I come to such a site and i'm on campus, i hit the enable proxy button, browse etc, and then come back | 04:00 |
superm1 | well everything is encrypted in the SSH tunnel to your place | 04:00 |
superm1 | so your no more secure then browsing from your appt | 04:00 |
Xenocide | hm | 04:00 |
superm1 | but that is for sure a significant improvement over sending passwords in clear text over the campus wifi | 04:01 |
Xenocide | yea | 04:01 |
Xenocide | they give us such horrible wifi | 04:01 |
Xenocide | atleast they raised the speed to 30kbps last week | 04:01 |
Xenocide | before that it was5 | 04:01 |
Xenocide | 15 | 04:01 |
superm1 | i cant believe they cap you guys | 04:01 |
Xenocide | they lock everything down here | 04:01 |
superm1 | here i am getting 1300 kb/s as i'm downloading feisty updates | 04:01 |
Xenocide | im so jealous | 04:02 |
Xenocide | that port would probabbly be blocked for us | 04:02 |
Xenocide | all we have is outgoing port 80 | 04:02 |
Xenocide | i can't even get my pop email | 04:02 |
superm1 | well updates are downloaded via http | 04:02 |
superm1 | so still port 80 | 04:03 |
superm1 | you can get your email through dynamic ssh as long as your mail client supports a socks proxy | 04:03 |
Xenocide | right | 04:03 |
Xenocide | but i shouldnt' have to do that :-P | 04:03 |
superm1 | agreed | 04:04 |
superm1 | so right now, i'm attempting to sort out bug 41339 | 04:05 |
Xenocide | i don't know how you guys do email at iowa but we have exchange servers, but students don't get access to them with exchange protocol, ONLY webmail or crappy imap | 04:05 |
ubotu | Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 | 04:05 |
Xenocide | that bot is actualy useful... | 04:05 |
superm1 | haha | 04:05 |
superm1 | well i'm wondering if you guys have a better idea to solve the problem | 04:05 |
superm1 | then what i'm seeing the feasability rihgt now | 04:06 |
Xenocide | not even loading for me | 04:06 |
superm1 | beta.launchpad.net is slow lately | 04:06 |
superm1 | give it a moment | 04:06 |
superm1 | oh wait are you on beta.launchpad.net? | 04:06 |
superm1 | or regular | 04:06 |
Xenocide | regular | 04:07 |
Xenocide | the one the bot linked to | 04:07 |
superm1 | ah | 04:07 |
Xenocide | just got it to load | 04:07 |
Xenocide | let me read it | 04:07 |
superm1 | k | 04:07 |
superm1 | Xenocide, oh we have pop3 with kerberos, annoying as shit. either that or crappy webmail. i dont bother with either - just forward to gmail and call it a day | 04:07 |
Xenocide | we can't even forward | 04:08 |
Xenocide | so this is a mythtv -- mysql problem | 04:08 |
superm1 | oh we just need to make a .forward in our home directory | 04:08 |
superm1 | with the email address to send to | 04:09 |
superm1 | and it works for us | 04:09 |
superm1 | but you have to go to a unix/linux machine on campus to do it since you cant make files start with a . in windows | 04:09 |
superm1 | Xenocide, yes | 04:09 |
superm1 | Xenocide, it boils down to if you put the wrong password when mythtv-database requests the root password, all hell breaks loose | 04:10 |
Xenocide | maybe my problem was related, but everytime in installed, i had to change my mysql password as well | 04:10 |
Xenocide | i just hit enter | 04:10 |
Xenocide | and it never worked | 04:10 |
Xenocide | i always had to reset the password manually | 04:10 |
superm1 | you should never have to do that | 04:10 |
Xenocide | i had to on every install i made recently | 04:10 |
Xenocide | because mythtv-setup would always error out | 04:10 |
superm1 | then you have been doing something wrong in here | 04:10 |
superm1 | either not adding to the group | 04:10 |
superm1 | not logging out | 04:10 |
superm1 | or something like that | 04:11 |
Xenocide | maybe not logging out | 04:11 |
superm1 | feisty won't let you run mythtv-setup until you log out and back in after adding to the group | 04:11 |
superm1 | well unless you click through a few big warnings telling you that you need to know what your doing | 04:11 |
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Xenocide | lol | 04:16 |
gardengnome | i love how the topic of #mythtv-users has "http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/" in it. | 04:18 |
gardengnome | :) | 04:18 |
superm1 | haha | 04:18 |
superm1 | wow | 04:18 |
gardengnome | "wow"? i wish more people would consider such a thing. :) | 04:19 |
superm1 | okay class is up | 04:19 |
superm1 | later guys | 04:19 |
gardengnome | call me elitist ;) | 04:19 |
gardengnome | later superm1 | 04:19 |
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superm1 | jetsaredim, hey | 06:29 |
jetsaredim | yo | 06:29 |
superm1 | so your ubiquity changes working again now that your on feisty? | 06:30 |
jetsaredim | didn't get a chance to try them yet | 06:30 |
jetsaredim | unfortunately | 06:30 |
jetsaredim | probably tonight after dinner | 06:31 |
jetsaredim | (at work now) | 06:31 |
superm1 | ah okay | 06:31 |
superm1 | whats your lp account? i'll add you to the team so you can commit changes | 06:32 |
jetsaredim | JaredGreenwald | 06:33 |
jetsaredim | I think | 06:33 |
jetsaredim | how do I tell? | 06:34 |
superm1 | no doesnt seem to work | 06:34 |
jetsaredim | try greenwaldjared | 06:34 |
superm1 | k | 06:34 |
superm1 | there ya go | 06:34 |
superm1 | okay so you can now commit changes | 06:34 |
jetsaredim | ok cool | 06:34 |
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Xenocide | superm1 just got that card replaced, they charged me $70 for an advance rma that i better get back once they get my card, i hate when they do th at | 06:55 |
Xenocide | should be here thursday | 06:55 |
superm1 | thats great | 06:55 |
Xenocide | watch it not work again LOL | 06:55 |
superm1 | well cross your fingers i guess | 06:56 |
Xenocide | have you used crossover office? | 06:56 |
superm1 | a few times on campus | 06:56 |
superm1 | but not on any of my machines | 06:56 |
Xenocide | work well? | 06:56 |
superm1 | yea it did | 06:56 |
superm1 | i dont think it will run office 07 for you though | 06:56 |
Xenocide | yea i know, prepared to use 03 | 06:56 |
superm1 | i think crossover offers trials so you can see how it works prior to purchase | 06:57 |
Xenocide | hm | 06:58 |
superm1 | k gotta run again. | 07:01 |
superm1 | bbl | 07:01 |
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