[01:10] <williammanda> anyone awake?
[01:10] <williammanda> question or problem....
[01:11] <williammanda> i added a new backend and removed another....
[01:11] <williammanda> both were slaves....
[01:11] <williammanda> on the console for the master backend ....
[01:12] <williammanda> it is trying to get rid of the programs that were on the slave unit that was removed...
[01:12] <williammanda> how can i fix this?
[01:14] <williammanda> also...this should be related....
[01:14] <williammanda> under system status....
[01:15] <williammanda> it still shows a tuner for the slave backend that was removed...says tuner 4 unavaiable
[01:15] <williammanda> how can I get rid of tuner 4?
[01:18] <williammanda> Another question...if the master backend or any backend gets low on hard drive space...
[01:19] <williammanda> will myth store the movie where ever space is avaiable...any backend unit?
[02:07] <keescook> superm1: so, what do you think about for solutions to bug 41339?  I ran into this myself when installing it clean too.
[02:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339
[03:13] <Xenocide> that was weird my backend just crashed
[03:26] <Jon_yoosic> Hi. I have some video encoding questions specifically regarding AcidRip and Google Video, is this a good place to ask or do you guys know a more specific channel I should check in?
[04:09] <spiderworm> can anyone tell me how to use my mouse with mythtv?
[04:09] <spiderworm> i heard mouse support has been included now?
[04:14] <spiderworm> nm found it
[05:06] <superm1> keescook, i'm going to try a clean install right now.  i'm installing a brand new feisty vm
[05:06] <superm1> keescook, i'll do it with the "mythtv" metapackage and see what happens
[06:03] <majoridiot> edgy has old, buggy network drivers for nforce3...  fixed in feisty
[06:11] <superm1> majoridiot, some bugs cropped up in feisty that i'm taking care of.  might want to hold off a little
[06:12] <majoridiot> ?
[06:15] <superm1> a bunch got reported tonite
[06:15] <majoridiot> figures.
[06:16] <majoridiot> just when i was going to setup a proper FE/BE... hook it to the rarely used tv and everything.
[06:16] <superm1> well you can, the big one just requires msttcorefonts installed
[06:17] <majoridiot> wha happened?
[06:22] <superm1> well i dropped it from dependencies the other day because the themes i looked at weren't using it
[06:22] <superm1> but apparently gant and a few others do
[06:23] <majoridiot> ah
[06:23] <majoridiot> that's the biggest prob?
[06:23] <superm1> well that and apparently the "mythtv" package isnt working anymore
[06:23] <superm1> it caused a few failed installs
[06:23] <superm1> bug 41339
[06:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339
[06:24] <majoridiot> odd.
[06:24] <superm1> for both keescook and a few that commented on the bug
[06:24] <superm1> i am installing a vm right now to see if it happens to me
[06:25] <majoridiot> did something change in the last week?
[06:25] <majoridiot> went in like a DREAM for me.
[06:25] <superm1> well have you used "mythtv" metapackage
[06:25] <superm1> or others only?
[06:25] <majoridiot> yes
[06:25] <majoridiot> specifically for the FEBEdesk
[06:26] <majoridiot> i almost creamed myself it was so swwet.
[06:26] <superm1> okay welll thats reassuring
[06:26] <majoridiot> not a hiccup at all.
[06:26] <superm1> trying as we speak
[06:26] <majoridiot> i will too.
[06:27] <majoridiot> the desktop metapack, right?
[06:27] <superm1> the metapack called mythtv
[06:27] <superm1> yes
[06:27] <majoridiot> hm.
[06:27] <majoridiot> ok... installing a fresh desktop
[06:28] <superm1> hm it appears that a few tables dont exist for me
[06:28] <superm1> mythconverg.keybindings
[06:28] <superm1> and a few others
[06:32] <superm1> its failing database schema upgrades...
[06:32] <superm1> hm
[06:38] <superm1> it appears to have worked when i did it by hand, mysql-server-5.0 followed by mythtv-database
[06:40] <majoridiot> so the metapack failed for you?
[06:40] <superm1> yes
[06:40] <superm1> i'm not sure if it was a fluke of the package or somehting else
[06:40] <superm1> i'm redoing once more
[06:40] <majoridiot> hm.
[06:41] <superm1> hm wtf.  went fine this time
[06:41] <majoridiot> hehe
[06:41] <majoridiot> my desktop is almost done... i'll update and then try the metapack
[06:41] <superm1> k
[06:43] <superm1> root confusion?
[06:43] <majoridiot> that the prompt on the metpack is confusing... user root or mysql root
[06:44] <majoridiot> it explicitly states mysql administrator
[06:45] <superm1> oh from but 41339
[06:45] <superm1> * bug 41339
[06:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339
[06:46] <superm1> i was just rereading it again
[06:47] <majoridiot> ok... i'm updating everything but openoffice after a fresh install herd 5 desktop.
[06:48] <superm1> k
[06:48] <superm1> i'm going to redo it for the third time just to make sure
[06:52] <superm1> so what really happens when you put in a bad password to that mysql dialog?
[06:52] <superm1> something bad?
[06:52] <majoridiot> yes
[06:53] <superm1> irreversible?
[06:53] <superm1> or no
[06:53] <majoridiot> actually...
[06:53] <majoridiot> in the prompt for msql admin?
[06:53] <majoridiot> um... sorry.
[06:53] <superm1> yes
[06:53] <majoridiot> misunderstood.  i couldn't tell you.  i never did it.
[06:54] <superm1> okay after this third try, i'll purge and try that
[07:01] <superm1>  okay that first time must have just been a fluke for me
[07:01] <superm1> the package does fine
[07:02] <superm1> lets see what happens when you give a bad root password for mysql then
[07:02] <majoridiot> you want me to?
[07:03] <superm1> try the functional install first
[07:03] <superm1> like i did to verify that this package really does do it fine
[07:03] <superm1> installing mysl-server etal
[07:03] <majoridiot> k
[07:08] <superm1> seriously that dialog for mythtv-database.  "Unless you have explicitly changed the password on the MySQL server, leave this blank"
[07:08] <superm1> what more can someone want out of that??
[07:08] <majoridiot> no prompt at all?
[07:08] <majoridiot> LOL
[07:08] <superm1> and then what if you *have* changed the mysql password
[07:08] <superm1> then you can't install the package
[07:09] <majoridiot> you mean in a previously existing mysql installation?
[07:09] <superm1> right
[07:09] <majoridiot> hm
[07:10] <majoridiot> if you enter the correct existing pw you should.  no?
[07:11] <superm1> if you enter the correct password on an existing install, things should work
[07:11] <majoridiot> yes
[07:11] <majoridiot> and if there is no root pw on an existing install or it is a new install it should work too
[07:11] <superm1> which it does
[07:13] <superm1> okay so here is the chain of events if you put the wrong root password:
[07:13] <majoridiot> ok... FULLY updated, minus OO
[07:13] <majoridiot> checked... no mysql
[07:13] <superm1> you try to start mythtv-setup and get errors with connecting to the database
[07:13] <superm1> duh, :)
[07:13] <majoridiot> installing mythtv metapackage
[07:13] <superm1> asked to check settings
[07:14] <superm1> and it still doesnt work
[07:14] <superm1> so you do dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[07:15] <superm1> and cant connect to the dtabase still
[07:15] <superm1> because it wasnt properly installed the first time
[07:15] <superm1> thats what happens to people
[07:15] <majoridiot> not bothering to read
[07:16] <majoridiot> or follow instructions
[07:16] <majoridiot> the other thing that gets them
[07:16] <superm1> yea
[07:16] <majoridiot> is they either do not add their user to mythtv group, or they do not log out if they do
[07:16] <majoridiot> in that case...
[07:17] <majoridiot> mythtv-setup spits database errors bigtime
[07:17] <majoridiot> and then the group fix won't help, because .mythtv was not created
[07:17] <superm1> well with the wrapper scripts, you have to be pretty silly to ignore the big warning
[07:18] <superm1> okay so here is my end conclusion:
[07:18] <superm1> you mess up and put the wrong root password in during mythtv-database, the only solution is to purge the package and redo it
[07:18] <superm1> no need to reset passwords
[07:18] <superm1> or anything like that
[07:19] <majoridiot> hm.  feisty crashed and locked on logout.
[07:20] <superm1> well thats feisty's fault not mythtv's ;)
[07:21] <majoridiot> 100% success
[07:22] <majoridiot> other than the logout crash.  as scripted.
[07:22] <majoridiot> except no fonts.
[07:23] <superm1> (msttcorefonts)
[07:23] <majoridiot> yeah
[07:23] <majoridiot> ;)
[07:23] <superm1> its because a bunch of those apparently depend on arial
[07:23] <superm1> which is in msttcorefonts
[07:23] <superm1> silly if you ask me
[07:24] <majoridiot> no main menu
[07:24] <majoridiot> hehe
[07:24] <majoridiot> is that for all the myth packages?
[07:25] <majoridiot> k
[07:25] <majoridiot> do i need to screw up the install now?
[07:25] <superm1> yes
[07:25] <majoridiot> k
[07:25] <majoridiot> purge mythtv?
[07:26] <superm1> well i think we need a logical solution to this mysql problem
[07:26] <superm1> perhaps calling dpkg-reconfigure mysql during mythtv installation?
[07:26] <superm1> so that you SET your mysql password
[07:26] <superm1> rather then ask the current one?
[07:27] <majoridiot> do you want mythtv uninstalled pr purged before the re-install?
[07:27] <superm1> purged
[07:27] <majoridiot> k
[07:29] <majoridiot> one can't purge a metapackage the same as it is installed?
[07:30] <majoridiot> all it did was purge mythtv.   all 65K of the metapack.
[07:32] <superm1> then autoremove --purge
[07:32] <superm1> will get the rest
[07:32] <superm1> okay so thinking of this a little further:
[07:32] <superm1> if the dialog is gone
[07:32] <superm1> asking for the password, then it ruins the package completely if the *do* have a passowrd
[07:32] <superm1> because you cant enter it later
[07:34] <majoridiot> correct
[07:34] <majoridiot> i think the point is...
[07:34] <majoridiot> there is only so much idiot-proofing one can do
[07:34] <majoridiot> if they READ and follow directions, it works every time.
[07:35] <majoridiot> you have to expect some measure of basic competency
[07:35] <majoridiot> no?
[07:35] <majoridiot> ok... purged.  screw up the mysql this time, right?
[07:36] <superm1> right
[07:36] <majoridiot> ok... one complaint
[07:36] <majoridiot> the second dialog STILL says to run setup as the mythtv user
[07:36] <majoridiot> which one can not do
[07:37] <majoridiot> that dialog needs changed to run from a member of the group mythtv
[07:37] <majoridiot> or add yourself, etc.
[07:38] <superm1> i didnt correct that?
[07:38] <superm1> you sure
[07:38] <superm1> maybe its only in bzr i fixed it
[07:38] <superm1> let me double check and make sure
[07:38] <majoridiot> i just sat and stared at it.
[07:38] <majoridiot> cursing you quietly
[07:38] <superm1> (well make sure its in bzr)
[07:38] <majoridiot> hehe
[07:39] <majoridiot> ok... screwed up the pw
[07:39] <majoridiot> db error galore, of course.
[07:45] <superm1> so see if there is anyway you can find to recover without changing passwords
[07:45] <superm1> and such
[07:45] <superm1> i dont think there is
[07:46] <majoridiot> without changing any passwords at all?
[07:46] <majoridiot> ok
[07:46] <superm1> because you and i both know that the passwords set are still right
[07:47] <superm1> and you shouldnt need to log into mysql to solve this
[07:47] <superm1> okay i updated the templates to reflect that info
[07:47] <superm1> about mythtv-group
[07:48] <majoridiot> :)
[07:48] <majoridiot> ty
[07:57] <majoridiot> well, i've wasted all the time i want to for now...
[07:58] <majoridiot> without changing pw, no way around immediately apparent
[07:58] <superm1> okay
[07:58] <superm1> thats what i was thinking
[07:58] <majoridiot> in summary, follow the damn directions.
[07:58] <superm1> well we need to think up some vooodoo to do for these packages scripts i think
[07:58] <superm1> that might help this
[07:58] <superm1> i'm going to keep thinking about it
[07:58] <majoridiot> how about some SIMPLE voodoo...
[07:58] <majoridiot> i popup at the front
[07:59] <superm1> maybe a checkbox, have you changed your mysql password?
[07:59] <majoridiot> with a link to the guides.  a link in the description with a firm suggestion to visit the guides before installing would be good too.
[08:00] <superm1> hm link to the guides
[08:00] <superm1> like a popup, you should visit here first?
[08:01] <majoridiot> yes
[08:01] <superm1> i'll have to ask keescook if doing something like that is acceptable in a package
[08:01] <superm1> i'm not entirely sure
[08:01] <majoridiot> maybe *really* explicitly state that one just can't install without reading anf following directions.
[08:02] <majoridiot> it's the reverse windoze syndrome...
[08:02] <majoridiot> instead of blindly clicking ok, like in win, they get conditioned to enter their password anytime they see the word password.
[08:03] <majoridiot> regardless of the context.
[08:05] <majoridiot> If you have an *existing * installation of mysql database with a root password, enter it here.  OTHERWISE PLEASE JUST PRESS ENTER!!!
[08:05] <majoridiot> (think they might get that one?)
[08:05] <majoridiot> lol
[08:12] <superm1> well i really want the packages to be user dumb enough that they can get by without docs, but go to the docs if there is trouble
[08:13] <majoridiot> ok...
[08:13] <superm1> does that make sense?
[08:13] <majoridiot> yes
[08:14] <superm1> i mean as much as i want people to read the docs to start
[08:14] <majoridiot> so...
[08:14] <superm1> you and i both know that there are lots of people that wont
[08:14] <majoridiot> if there is an existing mysql when you install mythtv meta... (unlikely, but possible)
[08:14] <majoridiot> there is an easy way to check that, no?
[08:15] <superm1> hm i'm not sure
[08:15] <majoridiot> if !mysql, then skip the root prompt entirely
[08:16] <majoridiot> if mysql, then a carefully phrased prompt
[08:16] <majoridiot> like the one above LOL
[08:17] <superm1> well how about this -
[08:17] <superm1> it tries to connect with no password first
[08:17] <superm1> and then if it can't then it asks?
[08:17] <superm1> that way it doesnt matter at what point you installed mysql
[08:17] <majoridiot> absolutely
[08:17] <superm1> only if you secured it
[08:18] <majoridiot> and if it aint secure, then who cares.
[08:18] <majoridiot> pillage it with some mythconverg
[08:18] <majoridiot> all unwillingly and stuff.
[08:18] <majoridiot> best solution.  good thinking.
[08:19] <superm1> and you know i think that would seriously cover all corners that we have had password troubles this last release
[08:20] <majoridiot> yup
[08:20] <majoridiot> the only way it could fail is if the forget their existing mqsql root pw
[08:20] <majoridiot> and you can't guard against that,
[08:20] <superm1> well thats not our problem
[08:20] <superm1> it better not be :)
[08:21] <majoridiot> just wait... it WILL be.
[08:21] <majoridiot> LOL
[08:21] <majoridiot> Re: Why can't mythtv remember mysql password?
[08:28] <superm1> where is this from?
[08:29] <majoridiot> sarcasm
[08:29] <majoridiot> ;)
[08:29] <superm1> hehe
[08:29] <superm1> its getting a wee bit late on my part here, and i still have to turn in a paper
[08:29] <superm1> crap forgot to do that a few hours ago
[08:29] <majoridiot> holy crap... i gotta be up in les than 6 hrs.
[08:29] <majoridiot> lol
[08:29] <majoridiot> i'm out.  ttyl
[08:29] <superm1> okay later dude
[03:26] <Xenocide> rise and shine everyone
[03:40] <superm1> morn Xenocide
[03:41] <superm1> hey Daviey
[03:54] <Xenocide> how you doin superm1
[03:57] <superm1> Xenocide, a bit tired this morning.  i dont exactly remember when i fell asleep last night
[03:57] <superm1> my laptop was on the floor next to me
[03:57] <superm1> and i was on the couch this morning
[03:57] <superm1> woke up 20 min late and was 20 min late for class
[03:58] <superm1> and of course my paper wasn't turned in at 11 like it was supposed to be....
[03:58] <Xenocide> nice nice
[03:58] <Xenocide> im stuck in electrical engineering, doing....nothing hes explaning how to use excel
[03:58] <superm1> Xenocide, it appears that you figured out dynamic ssh forwarding
[03:58] <superm1> work well?
[03:59] <Xenocide> works fine
[03:59] <Xenocide> kept dropping my connection last night but it is because i get horrible signal in my physics lecture hall
[03:59] <superm1> its also very useful if you are somewhere that you are worried about your password to a non ssl site being sniffed
[03:59] <Xenocide> is it actually secure?
[04:00] <superm1> i installed MM3-Proxy for FF, and whenever I come to such a site and i'm on campus, i hit the enable proxy button, browse etc, and then come back
[04:00] <superm1> well everything is encrypted in the SSH tunnel to your place
[04:00] <superm1> so your no more secure then browsing from your appt
[04:00] <Xenocide> hm
[04:01] <superm1> but that is for sure a significant improvement over sending passwords in clear text over the campus wifi
[04:01] <Xenocide> yea
[04:01] <Xenocide> they give us such horrible wifi
[04:01] <Xenocide> atleast they raised the speed to 30kbps last week
[04:01] <Xenocide> before that it was5
[04:01] <Xenocide> 15
[04:01] <superm1> i cant believe they cap you guys
[04:01] <Xenocide> they lock everything down here
[04:01] <superm1> here i am getting 1300 kb/s as i'm downloading feisty updates
[04:02] <Xenocide> im so jealous
[04:02] <Xenocide> that port would probabbly be blocked for us
[04:02] <Xenocide> all we have is outgoing port 80
[04:02] <Xenocide> i can't even get my pop email
[04:02] <superm1> well updates are downloaded via http
[04:03] <superm1> so still port 80
[04:03] <superm1> you can get your email through dynamic ssh as long as your mail client supports a socks proxy
[04:03] <Xenocide> right
[04:03] <Xenocide> but i shouldnt' have to do that :-P
[04:04] <superm1> agreed
[04:05] <superm1> so right now, i'm attempting to sort out bug 41339
[04:05] <Xenocide> i don't know how you guys do email at iowa but we have exchange servers, but students don't get access to them with exchange protocol, ONLY webmail or crappy imap
[04:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339
[04:05] <Xenocide> that bot is actualy useful...
[04:05] <superm1> haha
[04:05] <superm1> well i'm wondering if you guys have a better idea to solve the problem
[04:06] <superm1> then what i'm seeing the feasability rihgt now
[04:06] <Xenocide> not even loading for me
[04:06] <superm1> beta.launchpad.net is slow lately
[04:06] <superm1> give it a moment
[04:06] <superm1> oh wait are you on beta.launchpad.net?
[04:06] <superm1> or regular
[04:07] <Xenocide> regular
[04:07] <Xenocide> the one the bot linked to
[04:07] <superm1> ah
[04:07] <Xenocide> just got it to load
[04:07] <Xenocide> let me read it
[04:07] <superm1> k
[04:07] <superm1> Xenocide, oh we have pop3 with kerberos, annoying as shit.  either that or crappy webmail.  i dont bother with either - just forward to gmail and call it a day
[04:08] <Xenocide> we can't even forward
[04:08] <Xenocide> so this is a mythtv -- mysql problem
[04:08] <superm1> oh we just need to make a .forward in our home directory
[04:09] <superm1> with the email address to send to
[04:09] <superm1> and it works for us
[04:09] <superm1> but you have to go to a unix/linux machine on campus to do it since you cant make files start with a . in windows
[04:09] <superm1> Xenocide, yes
[04:10] <superm1> Xenocide, it boils down to if you put the wrong password when mythtv-database requests the root password, all hell breaks loose
[04:10] <Xenocide> maybe my problem was related, but everytime in installed, i had to change my mysql password as well
[04:10] <Xenocide> i just hit enter
[04:10] <Xenocide> and it never worked
[04:10] <Xenocide> i always had to reset the password manually
[04:10] <superm1> you should never have to do that
[04:10] <Xenocide> i had to on every install i made recently
[04:10] <Xenocide> because mythtv-setup would always error out
[04:10] <superm1> then you have been doing something wrong in here
[04:10] <superm1> either not adding to the group
[04:10] <superm1> not logging out
[04:11] <superm1> or something like that
[04:11] <Xenocide> maybe not logging out
[04:11] <superm1> feisty won't let you run mythtv-setup until you log out and back in after adding to the group
[04:11] <superm1> well unless you click through a few big warnings telling you that you need to know what your doing
[04:16] <Xenocide> lol
[04:18] <gardengnome> i love how the topic of #mythtv-users has "http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/" in it.
[04:18] <gardengnome> :)
[04:18] <superm1> haha
[04:18] <superm1> wow
[04:19] <gardengnome> "wow"? i wish more people would consider such a thing. :)
[04:19] <superm1> okay class is up
[04:19] <superm1> later guys
[04:19] <gardengnome> call me elitist ;)
[04:19] <gardengnome> later superm1
[06:29] <superm1> jetsaredim, hey
[06:29] <jetsaredim> yo
[06:30] <superm1> so your ubiquity changes working again now that your on feisty?
[06:30] <jetsaredim> didn't get a chance to try them yet
[06:30] <jetsaredim> unfortunately
[06:31] <jetsaredim> probably tonight after dinner
[06:31] <jetsaredim> (at work now)
[06:31] <superm1> ah okay
[06:32] <superm1> whats your lp account?  i'll add you to the team so you can commit changes
[06:33] <jetsaredim> JaredGreenwald
[06:33] <jetsaredim> I think
[06:34] <jetsaredim> how do I tell?
[06:34] <superm1> no doesnt seem to work
[06:34] <jetsaredim> try greenwaldjared
[06:34] <superm1> k
[06:34] <superm1> there ya go
[06:34] <superm1> okay so you can now commit changes
[06:34] <jetsaredim> ok cool
[06:55] <Xenocide> superm1 just got that card replaced, they charged me $70 for an advance rma that i better get back once they get my card, i hate when they do th at
[06:55] <Xenocide> should be here thursday
[06:55] <superm1> thats great
[06:55] <Xenocide> watch it not work again LOL
[06:56] <superm1> well cross your fingers i  guess
[06:56] <Xenocide> have you used crossover office?
[06:56] <superm1> a few times on campus
[06:56] <superm1> but not on any of my machines
[06:56] <Xenocide> work well?
[06:56] <superm1> yea it did
[06:56] <superm1> i dont think it will run office 07 for you though
[06:56] <Xenocide> yea i know, prepared to use 03
[06:57] <superm1> i think crossover offers trials so you can see how it works prior to purchase
[06:58] <Xenocide> hm
[07:01] <superm1> k gotta run again.
[07:01] <superm1> bbl