[01:10] anyone awake? [01:10] question or problem.... [01:11] i added a new backend and removed another.... [01:11] both were slaves.... [01:11] on the console for the master backend .... [01:12] it is trying to get rid of the programs that were on the slave unit that was removed... [01:12] how can i fix this? [01:14] also...this should be related.... [01:14] under system status.... [01:15] it still shows a tuner for the slave backend that was removed...says tuner 4 unavaiable [01:15] how can I get rid of tuner 4? [01:18] Another question...if the master backend or any backend gets low on hard drive space... [01:19] will myth store the movie where ever space is avaiable...any backend unit? === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Xenocide [n=xeno@rrcs-70-60-97-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:07] superm1: so, what do you think about for solutions to bug 41339? I ran into this myself when installing it clean too. [02:07] Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 [03:13] that was weird my backend just crashed === Jon_yoosic [n=jbartels@c-69-246-199-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:26] Hi. I have some video encoding questions specifically regarding AcidRip and Google Video, is this a good place to ask or do you guys know a more specific channel I should check in? === Jon_yoosic [n=jbartels@c-69-246-199-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [04:09] can anyone tell me how to use my mouse with mythtv? [04:09] i heard mouse support has been included now? [04:14] nm found it [05:06] keescook, i'm going to try a clean install right now. i'm installing a brand new feisty vm [05:06] keescook, i'll do it with the "mythtv" metapackage and see what happens === majoridiot finally sussed the WOL snafu [06:03] edgy has old, buggy network drivers for nforce3... fixed in feisty === majoridiot guesses he will build the backend feisty box sooner than he thought [06:11] majoridiot, some bugs cropped up in feisty that i'm taking care of. might want to hold off a little [06:12] ? [06:15] a bunch got reported tonite [06:15] figures. [06:16] just when i was going to setup a proper FE/BE... hook it to the rarely used tv and everything. [06:16] well you can, the big one just requires msttcorefonts installed [06:17] wha happened? [06:22] well i dropped it from dependencies the other day because the themes i looked at weren't using it [06:22] but apparently gant and a few others do [06:23] ah [06:23] that's the biggest prob? [06:23] well that and apparently the "mythtv" package isnt working anymore [06:23] it caused a few failed installs [06:23] bug 41339 [06:23] Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 [06:24] odd. [06:24] for both keescook and a few that commented on the bug [06:24] i am installing a vm right now to see if it happens to me [06:25] did something change in the last week? [06:25] went in like a DREAM for me. [06:25] well have you used "mythtv" metapackage [06:25] or others only? [06:25] yes [06:25] specifically for the FEBEdesk [06:26] i almost creamed myself it was so swwet. [06:26] okay welll thats reassuring [06:26] not a hiccup at all. [06:26] trying as we speak [06:26] i will too. [06:27] the desktop metapack, right? [06:27] the metapack called mythtv [06:27] yes [06:27] hm. [06:27] ok... installing a fresh desktop [06:28] hm it appears that a few tables dont exist for me [06:28] mythconverg.keybindings [06:28] and a few others [06:32] its failing database schema upgrades... [06:32] hm [06:38] it appears to have worked when i did it by hand, mysql-server-5.0 followed by mythtv-database [06:40] so the metapack failed for you? [06:40] yes [06:40] i'm not sure if it was a fluke of the package or somehting else [06:40] i'm redoing once more [06:40] hm. [06:41] hm wtf. went fine this time [06:41] hehe [06:41] my desktop is almost done... i'll update and then try the metapack [06:41] k === majoridiot disagrees with t. smith's assessment of "root confusion" [06:43] root confusion? [06:43] that the prompt on the metpack is confusing... user root or mysql root [06:44] it explicitly states mysql administrator [06:45] oh from but 41339 [06:45] * bug 41339 [06:45] Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 [06:46] i was just rereading it again [06:47] ok... i'm updating everything but openoffice after a fresh install herd 5 desktop. [06:48] k [06:48] i'm going to redo it for the third time just to make sure [06:52] so what really happens when you put in a bad password to that mysql dialog? [06:52] something bad? [06:52] yes [06:53] irreversible? [06:53] or no [06:53] actually... [06:53] in the prompt for msql admin? [06:53] um... sorry. [06:53] yes [06:53] misunderstood. i couldn't tell you. i never did it. [06:54] okay after this third try, i'll purge and try that [07:01] okay that first time must have just been a fluke for me [07:01] the package does fine [07:02] lets see what happens when you give a bad root password for mysql then [07:02] you want me to? [07:03] try the functional install first [07:03] like i did to verify that this package really does do it fine [07:03] installing mysl-server etal [07:03] k [07:08] seriously that dialog for mythtv-database. "Unless you have explicitly changed the password on the MySQL server, leave this blank" [07:08] what more can someone want out of that?? [07:08] no prompt at all? [07:08] LOL [07:08] and then what if you *have* changed the mysql password [07:08] then you can't install the package [07:09] you mean in a previously existing mysql installation? [07:09] right [07:09] hm [07:10] if you enter the correct existing pw you should. no? [07:11] if you enter the correct password on an existing install, things should work [07:11] yes [07:11] and if there is no root pw on an existing install or it is a new install it should work too [07:11] which it does [07:13] okay so here is the chain of events if you put the wrong root password: [07:13] ok... FULLY updated, minus OO [07:13] checked... no mysql [07:13] you try to start mythtv-setup and get errors with connecting to the database [07:13] duh, :) [07:13] installing mythtv metapackage [07:13] asked to check settings === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:14] and it still doesnt work [07:14] so you do dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database [07:15] and cant connect to the dtabase still [07:15] because it wasnt properly installed the first time [07:15] thats what happens to people [07:15] not bothering to read [07:16] or follow instructions [07:16] the other thing that gets them [07:16] yea [07:16] is they either do not add their user to mythtv group, or they do not log out if they do [07:16] in that case... [07:17] mythtv-setup spits database errors bigtime [07:17] and then the group fix won't help, because .mythtv was not created [07:17] well with the wrapper scripts, you have to be pretty silly to ignore the big warning [07:18] okay so here is my end conclusion: [07:18] you mess up and put the wrong root password in during mythtv-database, the only solution is to purge the package and redo it [07:18] no need to reset passwords [07:18] or anything like that [07:19] hm. feisty crashed and locked on logout. [07:20] well thats feisty's fault not mythtv's ;) [07:21] 100% success [07:22] other than the logout crash. as scripted. [07:22] except no fonts. [07:23] (msttcorefonts) [07:23] yeah [07:23] ;) [07:23] its because a bunch of those apparently depend on arial [07:23] which is in msttcorefonts [07:23] silly if you ask me [07:24] no main menu [07:24] hehe [07:24] is that for all the myth packages? [07:25] k [07:25] do i need to screw up the install now? [07:25] yes [07:25] k [07:25] purge mythtv? [07:26] well i think we need a logical solution to this mysql problem [07:26] perhaps calling dpkg-reconfigure mysql during mythtv installation? [07:26] so that you SET your mysql password [07:26] rather then ask the current one? [07:27] do you want mythtv uninstalled pr purged before the re-install? [07:27] purged [07:27] k [07:29] one can't purge a metapackage the same as it is installed? [07:30] all it did was purge mythtv. all 65K of the metapack. [07:32] then autoremove --purge [07:32] will get the rest [07:32] okay so thinking of this a little further: [07:32] if the dialog is gone [07:32] asking for the password, then it ruins the package completely if the *do* have a passowrd [07:32] because you cant enter it later [07:34] correct [07:34] i think the point is... [07:34] there is only so much idiot-proofing one can do [07:34] if they READ and follow directions, it works every time. [07:35] you have to expect some measure of basic competency [07:35] no? [07:35] ok... purged. screw up the mysql this time, right? [07:36] right [07:36] ok... one complaint [07:36] the second dialog STILL says to run setup as the mythtv user [07:36] which one can not do [07:37] that dialog needs changed to run from a member of the group mythtv [07:37] or add yourself, etc. [07:38] i didnt correct that? [07:38] you sure [07:38] maybe its only in bzr i fixed it [07:38] let me double check and make sure [07:38] i just sat and stared at it. [07:38] cursing you quietly [07:38] (well make sure its in bzr) [07:38] hehe [07:39] ok... screwed up the pw [07:39] db error galore, of course. [07:45] so see if there is anyway you can find to recover without changing passwords [07:45] and such [07:45] i dont think there is [07:46] without changing any passwords at all? [07:46] ok [07:46] because you and i both know that the passwords set are still right [07:47] and you shouldnt need to log into mysql to solve this [07:47] okay i updated the templates to reflect that info [07:47] about mythtv-group [07:48] :) [07:48] ty [07:57] well, i've wasted all the time i want to for now... [07:58] without changing pw, no way around immediately apparent [07:58] okay [07:58] thats what i was thinking [07:58] in summary, follow the damn directions. [07:58] well we need to think up some vooodoo to do for these packages scripts i think [07:58] that might help this [07:58] i'm going to keep thinking about it [07:58] how about some SIMPLE voodoo... [07:58] i popup at the front [07:59] maybe a checkbox, have you changed your mysql password? [07:59] with a link to the guides. a link in the description with a firm suggestion to visit the guides before installing would be good too. [08:00] hm link to the guides [08:00] like a popup, you should visit here first? [08:01] yes [08:01] i'll have to ask keescook if doing something like that is acceptable in a package [08:01] i'm not entirely sure [08:01] maybe *really* explicitly state that one just can't install without reading anf following directions. [08:02] it's the reverse windoze syndrome... [08:02] instead of blindly clicking ok, like in win, they get conditioned to enter their password anytime they see the word password. [08:03] regardless of the context. [08:05] If you have an *existing * installation of mysql database with a root password, enter it here. OTHERWISE PLEASE JUST PRESS ENTER!!! [08:05] (think they might get that one?) [08:05] lol [08:12] well i really want the packages to be user dumb enough that they can get by without docs, but go to the docs if there is trouble [08:13] ok... [08:13] does that make sense? [08:13] yes [08:14] i mean as much as i want people to read the docs to start [08:14] so... [08:14] you and i both know that there are lots of people that wont [08:14] if there is an existing mysql when you install mythtv meta... (unlikely, but possible) [08:14] there is an easy way to check that, no? [08:15] hm i'm not sure [08:15] if !mysql, then skip the root prompt entirely [08:16] if mysql, then a carefully phrased prompt [08:16] like the one above LOL [08:17] well how about this - [08:17] it tries to connect with no password first [08:17] and then if it can't then it asks? [08:17] that way it doesnt matter at what point you installed mysql [08:17] absolutely [08:17] only if you secured it [08:18] and if it aint secure, then who cares. [08:18] pillage it with some mythconverg [08:18] all unwillingly and stuff. [08:18] best solution. good thinking. [08:19] and you know i think that would seriously cover all corners that we have had password troubles this last release [08:20] yup [08:20] the only way it could fail is if the forget their existing mqsql root pw [08:20] and you can't guard against that, [08:20] well thats not our problem [08:20] it better not be :) [08:21] just wait... it WILL be. [08:21] LOL [08:21] Re: Why can't mythtv remember mysql password? [08:28] where is this from? [08:29] sarcasm [08:29] ;) [08:29] hehe [08:29] its getting a wee bit late on my part here, and i still have to turn in a paper [08:29] crap forgot to do that a few hours ago [08:29] holy crap... i gotta be up in les than 6 hrs. [08:29] lol [08:29] i'm out. ttyl [08:29] okay later dude === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f9dd.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f9dd.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === modcons [n=fenian@user-38q468u.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === fenian [n=fenian@user-38q468u.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === fenian [n=fenian@user-38q468u.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f9dd.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f9dd.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Xenocide [n=xeno@rrcs-70-60-97-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === bmsleight [n=bms@host-87-74-83-14.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Daviey [n=Daviey@unaffiliated/daviey] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Xenocide [n=xeno@rrcs-70-60-97-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:26] rise and shine everyone [03:40] morn Xenocide [03:41] hey Daviey [03:54] how you doin superm1 [03:57] Xenocide, a bit tired this morning. i dont exactly remember when i fell asleep last night [03:57] my laptop was on the floor next to me [03:57] and i was on the couch this morning [03:57] woke up 20 min late and was 20 min late for class [03:58] and of course my paper wasn't turned in at 11 like it was supposed to be.... [03:58] nice nice [03:58] im stuck in electrical engineering, doing....nothing hes explaning how to use excel === gardengnome was 70 minutes too late for class. ;) [03:58] Xenocide, it appears that you figured out dynamic ssh forwarding [03:58] work well? [03:59] works fine [03:59] kept dropping my connection last night but it is because i get horrible signal in my physics lecture hall [03:59] its also very useful if you are somewhere that you are worried about your password to a non ssl site being sniffed [03:59] is it actually secure? [04:00] i installed MM3-Proxy for FF, and whenever I come to such a site and i'm on campus, i hit the enable proxy button, browse etc, and then come back [04:00] well everything is encrypted in the SSH tunnel to your place [04:00] so your no more secure then browsing from your appt [04:00] hm [04:01] but that is for sure a significant improvement over sending passwords in clear text over the campus wifi [04:01] yea [04:01] they give us such horrible wifi [04:01] atleast they raised the speed to 30kbps last week [04:01] before that it was5 [04:01] 15 [04:01] i cant believe they cap you guys [04:01] they lock everything down here [04:01] here i am getting 1300 kb/s as i'm downloading feisty updates [04:02] im so jealous [04:02] that port would probabbly be blocked for us [04:02] all we have is outgoing port 80 [04:02] i can't even get my pop email [04:02] well updates are downloaded via http [04:03] so still port 80 [04:03] you can get your email through dynamic ssh as long as your mail client supports a socks proxy [04:03] right [04:03] but i shouldnt' have to do that :-P [04:04] agreed [04:05] so right now, i'm attempting to sort out bug 41339 [04:05] i don't know how you guys do email at iowa but we have exchange servers, but students don't get access to them with exchange protocol, ONLY webmail or crappy imap [04:05] Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 [04:05] that bot is actualy useful... [04:05] haha [04:05] well i'm wondering if you guys have a better idea to solve the problem [04:06] then what i'm seeing the feasability rihgt now [04:06] not even loading for me [04:06] beta.launchpad.net is slow lately [04:06] give it a moment [04:06] oh wait are you on beta.launchpad.net? [04:06] or regular [04:07] regular [04:07] the one the bot linked to [04:07] ah [04:07] just got it to load [04:07] let me read it [04:07] k [04:07] Xenocide, oh we have pop3 with kerberos, annoying as shit. either that or crappy webmail. i dont bother with either - just forward to gmail and call it a day [04:08] we can't even forward [04:08] so this is a mythtv -- mysql problem [04:08] oh we just need to make a .forward in our home directory [04:09] with the email address to send to [04:09] and it works for us [04:09] but you have to go to a unix/linux machine on campus to do it since you cant make files start with a . in windows [04:09] Xenocide, yes [04:10] Xenocide, it boils down to if you put the wrong password when mythtv-database requests the root password, all hell breaks loose [04:10] maybe my problem was related, but everytime in installed, i had to change my mysql password as well [04:10] i just hit enter [04:10] and it never worked [04:10] i always had to reset the password manually [04:10] you should never have to do that [04:10] i had to on every install i made recently [04:10] because mythtv-setup would always error out [04:10] then you have been doing something wrong in here [04:10] either not adding to the group [04:10] not logging out [04:11] or something like that [04:11] maybe not logging out [04:11] feisty won't let you run mythtv-setup until you log out and back in after adding to the group [04:11] well unless you click through a few big warnings telling you that you need to know what your doing === gardengnome remembers his promise to update the channel faq ;) [04:16] lol [04:18] i love how the topic of #mythtv-users has "http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/" in it. [04:18] :) [04:18] haha [04:18] wow [04:19] "wow"? i wish more people would consider such a thing. :) [04:19] okay class is up [04:19] later guys [04:19] call me elitist ;) [04:19] later superm1 === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f9dd.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:29] jetsaredim, hey [06:29] yo [06:30] so your ubiquity changes working again now that your on feisty? [06:30] didn't get a chance to try them yet [06:30] unfortunately [06:31] probably tonight after dinner [06:31] (at work now) [06:31] ah okay [06:32] whats your lp account? i'll add you to the team so you can commit changes [06:33] JaredGreenwald [06:33] I think [06:34] how do I tell? [06:34] no doesnt seem to work [06:34] try greenwaldjared [06:34] k [06:34] there ya go [06:34] okay so you can now commit changes [06:34] ok cool === Xenocide [n=xeno@rrcs-70-60-97-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:55] superm1 just got that card replaced, they charged me $70 for an advance rma that i better get back once they get my card, i hate when they do th at [06:55] should be here thursday [06:55] thats great [06:55] watch it not work again LOL [06:56] well cross your fingers i guess [06:56] have you used crossover office? [06:56] a few times on campus [06:56] but not on any of my machines [06:56] work well? [06:56] yea it did [06:56] i dont think it will run office 07 for you though [06:56] yea i know, prepared to use 03 [06:57] i think crossover offers trials so you can see how it works prior to purchase [06:58] hm [07:01] k gotta run again. 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