[12:27] <marcicito> letting behind all the pride of being a linux user....anyone knows in what point microsoft windows is better than linux-based OS?
[12:29] <rici> marcicito: making money
[12:31] <maxamillion> marcicito: not true, i make money on a linux machine monday through friday
[12:31] <maxamillion> marcicito: granted, it is less common to make money running linux ... and anyone who plays video games need windows
[12:32] <rici> maxamillion: yes, i make money working on linux, too.
[12:32] <rici> however, bill gates makes more money than both of us put together
[12:32] <maxamillion> rici: true
[12:32] <rici> so i think it's reasonable to conclude that microsoft windows is better at making money than linux
[12:32] <maxamillion> rici: yes, i will agree
[12:32] <rici> at least for billg
[12:34] <marcicito> concluding that linux is as good as microsoft?
[12:35] <maxamillion> marcicito: that's a very strong statement ... it really depends on what you are doing
[12:35] <maxamillion> marcicito: and also depends on who you talk to, because in the world of computing "better" is a most commonly a matter of opinion
[12:36] <rici> better is a very nebulous concept
[12:36] <rici> is a shovel better than a hammer?
[12:36] <rici> that depends on whether you want to dig a hole or pound a nail.
[12:37] <marcicito> for example, yesterday i was installing a lot of things on my humble xubuntu, and I dont know why it just crashed so cold...
[12:38] <maxamillion> marcicito: well ... that's because we are based on ubuntu and its stability is slowly becoming that of microsoft
[12:38] <rici> is that true?
[12:38] <rici> i'm sorry to hear that.
[12:38] <rici> is stability not considered important by ubuntu?
[12:39] <marcicito> it make me remember win98
[12:39] <maxamillion> rici: no no, it is ... the issue is that their release cycle is slowly hurting them
[12:39] <rici> too fast too often?
[12:40] <rici> i'm actually not much of a linux user. mostly i use mac os x and freebsd. to be honest.
[12:40] <maxamillion> rici: little of both i think
[12:40] <rici> but i needed a desktop and freebsd doesn't quite cut it for that
[12:40] <massctrl> how can I add something to the Multimedia menu? when choosing menu editor all the entries like development, graphics, multimedia aren't there
[12:40] <rici> i'd heard good things about xubuntu and it hasn't really let me down in two weeks
[12:40] <maxamillion> rici: i think if they would back it up to 1 release per year, life would be better ... but half the time when i install things they don't work
[12:40] <rici> mind you i haven't pushed it that hard, and i still haven't quite got the keyboard the way i want it
[12:41] <rici> yeah, annual release cycles are somewhat more manageable, but the market would probably demand more.
[12:41] <maxamillion> rici: no other OS on the planet releases every 6 months
[12:41] <marcicito> i think it's a fault from most users who want to do everything in their pc's, not al aps are thinked to live together...
[12:42] <rici> the sense that i get is that gtk+ is only recently concentrating on stabilizing APIs
[12:42] <rici> that's certainly an issue
[12:42] <maxamillion> rici: i can see application updates every 6 months on major things like openoffice and firefox but a complete new release ... there is no point
[12:43] <rici> maxamillion: the theory behind component-based software is that you can upgrade the bits independently
[12:43] <rici> in the ideal, the unix platform is designed to make that possible
[12:43] <rici> however, the gui framework hasn't reached the level of stability of, say, posix.
[12:43] <maxamillion> lol ... true
[12:43] <rici> stable apis are really important.
[12:44] <maxamillion> i agree
[12:44] <marcicito> amen
[12:44] <rici> i have the sense that linux has traditionally disparaged posix, but it's coming round.
[12:44] <rici> i don't mean stable in the sense that the posix implementation on some OS is bug free, although that would be nice.
[12:45] <rici> i mean stable in the sense that in three years / six releases, the programs which work now will still work
[12:45] <marcicito> the sense of working over solid rock, thats stability to me
[12:46] <rici> that's stability too
[12:46] <rici> yeah.  a stable api is one whose behaviour is documented and isn't going to change
[12:47] <rici> the nice thing about working to the posix api is that you don't have to document it. that part's already been done.
[12:47] <rici> it's just necessary to implement it as per the docs :)
[12:47] <rici> and that's what's needed for a gui framework, too.
[12:48] <marcicito> in windows you are opening things and doing your stuff with the "It's gonna crash anytime soon, id better save my work..." sentences in your head
[12:48] <rici> i think it's pathetic that programs called "productivity suites" are not crashproof
[12:48] <rici> i mean, that's really awful.
[12:49] <rici> counter productive
[12:49] <rici> if you're writing an application for people to use to produce things, you should start with crashproofing, not
[12:49] <rici> add it on as an extra feature which doesn't work properly ten years later
[12:50] <marcicito> linux is better because i only know how to do half the things i do in windows, so i didt catch the difference
[12:50] <rici> i've never lost a file i was editing with vim.
[12:50] <rici> for example
[12:52] <marcicito> i gotta go to the gym, too much learning for today
[12:52] <marcicito> see ya
[12:52] <maxamillion> rici: yeah ... vim is solid
[12:53] <rici> vim is solid, but the power supply here isn't
[12:53] <rici> nonetheless, vim's recovery system has always worked for me.
[01:14] <BFTD> anyone here from cali?
[01:14] <maxamillion> negative
[01:14] <maxamillion> been there once ... wanted to nuke the whole place
[01:14] <BFTD> which part?
[01:15] <maxamillion> LA, malibu, and a couple other small places i visited
[01:15] <maxamillion> never met so many rude, superficial people gathered in one place before in my life
[01:45] <Howdy125> I'd like to put an icon on the top panel like the firefox one to run thunderbird .. could someone point me to some information on how to do that please. Already tried google without any luck.
[01:48] <maxamillion> Howdy125: right click the panel and click "add to panel"
[01:49] <maxamillion> Howdy125: eerrr .... "add new item" and then application launcher, etc.
[01:49] <Howdy125> Ok .. ty maxamillion
[01:50] <maxamillion> Howdy125: no problem
[02:01] <animewars> hey, i'm running xubuntu on a computer with no Internet, and I'm trying to install audacity.
[02:02] <animewars> i can't because apparently i have no c compiler (no cc, no gcc, nothing)
[02:02] <animewars> any help?
[02:03] <ormiret> get the packages that are depended on by build-essential: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/devel/build-essential You cna download them from there.
[02:04] <animewars> thanks
[02:04] <ormiret> You might need -dev versions of other packages as well - I'm not sure what audacities depencies are like.
[02:05] <animewars> yeah
[03:16] <MattJ> rici: ?!
[03:16] <MattJ> You escaped from #lua
[03:18] <rici> yeah
[04:20] <Jester45> Hello dead as it is most of the time
[04:21] <Howdy125> Hello back
[04:21] <Jester45> hehe its like a ping/pong
[04:30] <wheels3572> Hey Seveas you here
[08:04] <neozen> ...why must I blacklist video to get you to work properly!?!?!
[08:04] <neozen> still seems so wrong!~
[08:04] <neozen> lol
[08:04] <neozen> hi all
[08:14] <grazie> neozen: hi.....what you on about?
[08:15] <neozen> grazie: edgy and feisty no likey my shiny new laptop
[08:15] <neozen> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_LCD_brightness_buttons
[08:16] <grazie> neozen: new hardware and linux don't  get on usually :(
[08:17] <neozen> not that new
[08:17] <neozen> lol
[08:17] <neozen> last october
[08:18] <grazie> at least it's a known issue - hopefuilly someone will find a fix soon
[08:25] <neozen> grazie: um.... kind of
[08:25] <neozen> grazie: they say to blacklist video
[08:26] <neozen> .....seems......... a little fishy
[08:26] <neozen> wonder what exactly video handles
[08:26] <neozen> *video.o
[08:51] <neozen> I'll be fine
[08:52] <magic_ninja> whats up all
[09:00] <TheSheep> woe and misery
[09:01] <magic_ninja> whats a good web dev
[09:01] <magic_ninja> sup sheep
[09:01] <magic_ninja> i aint been on this for a while
[09:01] <magic_ninja> stuck on d2
[09:01] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: try nvu
[09:02] <magic_ninja> i want something clean and fresh, but complete and functional, yet not cluttered
[09:04] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: good luck
[09:04] <magic_ninja> lol
[09:04] <magic_ninja> similar to dreamweaver
[09:04] <magic_ninja> i know dreamweaver
[09:04] <TheSheep> then use dreamweaver
[09:05] <magic_ninja> this bluefish looks good
[09:06] <magic_ninja> sick of pirating software when i use an open source OS
[09:06] <TheSheep> might be tought with theserequirements
[09:06] <magic_ninja> bluefish looks good
[09:06] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: ever thought of... buying software? :)
[09:06] <magic_ninja> but so does nvu
[09:07] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: i work 50 hour weeks and barely manager to pay the bills (and yes my bills are just essentials for the most part), i don't have the money to drop hundreds or so on something like dreamweaver
[09:07] <magic_ninja> sidez that aren't we advocating open source here
[09:07] <magic_ninja> lol TheSheep why we always end up arguing
[09:07] <TheSheep> sorry
[09:08] <magic_ninja> nvu it is
[09:08] <magic_ninja> looks like the best out of all of em
[09:08] <TheSheep> I just figured that if you know that something is good and you will use it for your work then it's ok to pay for it
[09:08] <magic_ninja> yea
[09:08] <magic_ninja> but not for work
[09:08] <TheSheep> I see
[09:08] <magic_ninja> my g/f's mom wants me to make a website, so ima make a layout, get some pics on digital camera, and make her a shell
[09:09] <magic_ninja> i need practice neway
[09:09] <TheSheep> I could never use any of these automated things
[09:09] <TheSheep> vim is the best web design tool :)
[09:09] <magic_ninja> just don't like typing so much
[09:09] <magic_ninja> i usually get the basics of what i want and then fine tweak it with a basic text editor
[09:09] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: make yourself templates :)
[09:10] <magic_ninja> i do
[09:10] <magic_ninja> i make my own stylesheets too
[09:10] <magic_ninja> do all my own graphics
[09:10] <magic_ninja> just havn't done it in forever
[09:10] <magic_ninja> i don't really have any single skills, except networking, i just kidna know a little bit about everything
[09:11] <magic_ninja> getting really sick of diablo II lol
[09:11] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: try nethack :)
[09:12] <magic_ninja> nethack?
[09:12] <magic_ninja> !nethack
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nethack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:13] <TheSheep> http://www.nethack.org/
[10:07] <leon_pegg> hello all
[10:09] <leon_pegg> I have searched the net but found nothing on this problem I am installing xUbuntu 6.10 and every time it reaches 49% the install halts it is not the media as I have reburned it and also redownloaded is anyone able to help?
[02:06] <BerndII> Hi, got a question concerning the "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" on a regular ubuntu system. What happens when I do this? Will everything change or is it just that I get another option for my session in gdm? I'd rather keep everything in place but have another desktop choice now.
[02:06] <BerndII> any help appreciated of course
[03:04] <grazie> BerndII: you'll install the additional Xubuntu packages and get the XFCE session option in gdm
[03:21] <albert> is it just my imagination or ist thunderbird very hungry on resources?
[03:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's a mozilla product.  They tend to be resource-hungry.
[03:42] <albert> i think i'll switch to evolution
[03:45] <grazie> I don't use it myself, but I believe later versions of evolution are pretty hungry too
[03:46] <albert> got any recomendations?
[03:46] <albert> (i want to organize my palm-dates too)
[03:50] <grazie> I'm currently relying on webmail (used thundbird in the past) so I can't give a personal recommendation. Some people seem to like sylpheed for being light, but it does have limitations
[03:50] <grazie> !sylpheed
[03:50] <ubotu> sylpheed: Light weight e-mail client with GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.7-1build1 (edgy), package size 580 kB, installed size 1424 kB
[03:56] <albert> mmmh, thank you
[03:57] <albert> but i think in the case of fetching a-mails and organizing my dates, i won't use a light-weight product.... thought about it, but it makes sense
[03:57] <albert> -but
[03:58] <albert> and evolution seems slightly faster then thunderbird anywho
[05:05] <ravi_master> guys, need sound in listen player, I know it's simple, show me how really quickly
[05:06] <ravi_master> come on
[05:06] <ravi_master> all these people and not one answer?
[05:44] <albert> hi
[05:54] <albert> !!mount
[05:54] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:55] <albert> !diksmounter
[05:55] <albert> !diskmounter
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about diksmounter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[06:13] <albert> hi, i have a problem with my printer-manager
[06:14] <albert> the window pops up and then shuts down imidiately
[06:17] <peweeh> hi
[06:18] <peweeh> anyone else getting errors installing yesterday's daily xubuntu build?
[06:23] <totalwormage> what error?
[06:24] <peweeh> Failed to mount "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_5bfbeb30_1eed_4c3f_81df_560debd6a6ea".
[06:25] <peweeh> i can continue and finish the install process, but i end up with a frozen sys
[06:25] <peweeh> after rebooting
[06:27] <albert> can anybody help me with a printing problem?
[06:27] <albert> i'll soon get mad
[06:27] <ormiret> !ask
[06:27] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:29] <albert> oh well, i can't access the printing-window. it just closes down, after i open it
[06:31] <totalwormage> as i have never printed in linux and there doesn't seem to be someone online who did, try #ubuntu
[06:31] <totalwormage> this is more a sort of regular chat channel, #ubuntu is a help channel
[06:31] <albert> kk, thank you
[06:31] <totalwormage> oh bugger
[06:31] <totalwormage> i thought i was in #ubuntuforums :p
[06:31] <totalwormage> but anyway
[06:31] <totalwormage> try #ubunut :p
[06:32] <j1mc> totalwormage: this is a help channel for xubuntu.  :-)
[06:33] <j1mc> we help people in here all the time.
[06:33] <totalwormage> j1mc: yeah, i wasn't paying attention, i thought i was in ubuntuforums :p
[06:33] <ormiret> albert: can you start the printing window from a terminal to see if there is any output that might explain it just closing?
[06:33] <grazie> As far as I am aware, this is certainly not a chat channel
[06:33] <albert> ormiret: i don't know the command-line
[06:33] <totalwormage> *^_^*
[06:37] <albert> !printing
[06:37] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:38] <albert> !cups
[06:38] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:40] <albert> "GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed"
[06:42] <albert> ah, well, i disabled the printing services and now it works
[06:44] <albert> so: if i activate printing service (cupsys), the printing window closes down right after it got loaded
[07:05] <albert> !printing
[07:05] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:17] <albert> i managed it by manually adding a new printer (/usr/sbin/lpadmin -p printer -E -v device -m ppd)
[07:17] <albert> if someone experiences the problem again
[08:18] <somerville32> Hi :)
[08:49] <sdac221x_> can someone tell me how on earth to change the kdewallet password for the prompt i get when i start xubuntu to connect to my wireless network at home ?
[08:50] <sdac221x_> there doesnt seem to be a program called "kdewallet" on my machine even
[08:55] <chooser> Hello. Please help :<   1st hdd apt upgrade on feisty 7.04 = blank screen ?!?  Any known reason?
[08:57] <maxamillion> chooser: i haven't had the chance to run feisty so i wouldn't be of any help :(
[09:00] <chooser> Hmm. I'm trying to migrate from Knoppix. I haven't had this issue for way longer than I can remember.... I have heard so much about ubuntu greatness, but my first apt upgrade has broken the install. I'm using the livecd right now....
[09:01] <j1mc> chooser: does it start to boot, and then stop on the splash screen?  (the word "xubuntu" with the pogress bar underneath it?)
[09:02] <j1mc> chooser: when does it stop booting?
[09:04] <chooser> jlmc It boots fine, splash is there for a while, then blank.... I have tried recovery mode (init 2). It all goes wrong trying to start X :/     I did try copying my xorg.conf (livecd) to hdd install, but no good. Xorg was upgraded, is it broken in feisty?
[09:05] <Arkh> chooser, try editing your grub line at startup
[09:05] <Arkh> and remove quiet and splash
[09:05] <chooser> Arkh Ok, what in particular?
[09:05] <Arkh> when the sistem boots
[09:05] <Arkh> press e
[09:05] <chooser> Arkh Ok, will try that.
[09:06] <kunz> jo, we is having trouble getting juk to play files
[09:06] <kunz> and also we need software to access windows and samba shares graphically, is there a plugin for the file manager?
[09:07] <chooser> Btw, I have remastered Knoppix to xfce4 (sid/experimental) but want easier option for acellerated graphics, hence Xubuntu :)
[09:10] <surgy> hi
[09:12] <surgy> im curently using kubuntu and i have everything setup exactly how i want it. is there any way i can install xfce and just migrate all of my settings and programs from kde? so that everything except for the windows manager whould be the same?
[09:13] <j1mc> kunz, search for "fusesmb xubuntu thunar" on google . . . it will show you how to set up samba browsing from thunar.
[09:13] <j1mc> kunz: you may try that search w/o the quotes.
[09:15] <j1mc> surgy, i know you can do it, but i'm not sure if i know the "exact" way to do it, so . . .   i don't want to give you a wrong answer.  :-)
[09:15] <maxamillion> surgy: you can either just install xfce from the package manager of your choice or if you would like the xubuntu experience (installed along side what you currently have) just install the xubuntu-desktop meta package
[09:16] <maxamillion> surgy: it depends on which you want .... the actual xubuntu-desktop with all modifications, customizations and applications that come default with xubuntu or just simply the xfce desktop environment ....
[09:17] <kunz> j1mc, thx
[09:19] <j1mc> kunz: you're welcome.  :)
[09:20] <j1mc> kunz: if i might ask, it sounds like you're using xubuntu at work.  is that right?
[09:20] <kunz> no i've just converted a mate, and thought xubuntu is quite a good beginners linux
[09:20] <j1mc> kunz: ok.
[09:21] <j1mc> maxamillion: awesome.  :)
[09:21] <j1mc> kunz: it's pretty cool that you've converted a mate, too.  :)
[09:21] <maxamillion> j1mc: i'm the only one though ... i work in a windows based network but refused to run windows and my boss was nice enough to allow me to dual boot (can't remember the last time i booted the windows partition)
[09:21] <kunz> i haven't used it for ages, and personally i use grml from grml.org everywhere i go.. and that means i do windows shares with smbclient or smbmount
[09:22] <kunz> i'm a command line person, sick of colourfull guis, and this machine needs to access the file-server in our flat via smb
[09:22] <kunz> and a newbie likes to have a graphical representation of rge files
[09:25] <maxamillion> somerville32: !@!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:25] <somerville32> :D
[09:25] <maxamillion> that's better :)
[09:25] <somerville32> lol
[09:26] <j1mc> hi cody!!
[09:26] <maxamillion> somerville32: you out of the hospital?
[09:26] <somerville32> :)
[09:26] <somerville32> brb
[09:26] <surgy> maxemillion: actually i just want to migrate everything i have now to xfce, or better yet, have the choice between the two at my login screen
[09:27] <kalikiana> hi guys :)
[09:27] <maxamillion> surgy: well either option i gave you will let you do that, just click the "session" button at the login screen and select which one you want for that "session"
[09:27] <maxamillion> kalikiana: !!!!!!
[09:27] <maxamillion> it's like a reunion in here!!!!
[09:27] <kalikiana> *g
[09:28] <maxamillion> :)
[09:28] <surgy> maxamillion: so i can use adept and install xfce and then just choose which one i want at log in screen?
[09:29] <j1mc> maxamillion: would the xfce metapackage just be "xfce4"?
[09:29] <j1mc> i know that there is the larger "xubuntu-desktop"
[09:30] <maxamillion> surgy: sure can :) .... but i would recommend xubuntu-desktop, it will include some programs that might make the experience better .... then again if you plan to keep using the kde apps, xfce4 would create less hard drive clutter
[09:30] <j1mc> i should try that out to see what it's like.
[09:31] <surgy> maxamillion: thnx a million :)
[09:31] <j1mc> hehe . . . thxamillion :)
[09:31] <maxamillion> j1mc: they claim it can be done but going from xubuntu and doing "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop" creates conflicts because there are certain apps that are custom compiled for xubuntu using only gtk instead of gnome-libs
[09:32] <j1mc> hmmm... but doing the same with kubuntu and xubuntu works?
[09:33] <maxamillion> j1mc: yup, completely different apps
[09:33] <maxamillion> j1mc: you're running xubuntu correct?
[09:33] <j1mc> maxamillion: yep
[09:33] <j1mc> (not right now . . . at "work")  :-)
[09:34] <maxamillion> j1mc: do "sudo aptitude install nautilus" and it (should) say there is a conflict and hit q to quit, but then do "sudo aptitude install konqueror" and that is fine (tell it n so it doesn't install thought)
[09:34] <maxamillion> j1mc: ohhhh .... ok
[09:34] <j1mc> i understand what you are saying, though.  :)
[09:36] <j1mc> maxamillion: you don't have Ops rights in #xubuntu-devel, do you?  it says, "Herd 2 is released"  :-)
[09:36] <maxamillion> j1mc: i don't think i do ... lemme find out
[09:37] <maxamillion> nope
[09:42] <j1mc> maybe brb was a relative term for cody.  meaning, be back in a few days.  :-)
[09:44] <maxamillion> :(
[09:44] <maxamillion> would make me sad
[09:44] <maxamillion> j1mc: why would i be getting "Could not find 'kbuildsycoca' executable." randomly popping up in my terminal window?
[09:49] <somerville32> haha
[09:49] <somerville32> :P
[09:49] <somerville32> I'm back
[09:50] <maxamillion> sweet
[09:50] <maxamillion> somerville32: you out of the hospital?
[09:50] <somerville32> Nope
[09:50] <maxamillion> :(
[09:50] <somerville32> I'm in the hospital bathroom stealing someone's wifi
[09:50] <maxamillion> somerville32: how'd you pull off getting on irc?
[09:50] <maxamillion> somerville32: lol
[09:50] <somerville32> ^^
[09:50] <somerville32> :)
[09:51] <maxamillion> :(
[09:51] <maxamillion> that's alright, we will forgive you
[09:52] <somerville32> hehe
[09:54] <j1mc> why do you have FC6, cody?
[09:56] <somerville32> I  bought the latest issue of the Linux Format magazine.
[09:57] <maxamillion> lol
[09:57] <j1mc> that magazine is expensive, but i like it.
[09:59] <j1mc> i kind of wonder how write-in support linux support fits in with our hi-tech forums, but they usually pick good questions to answer, and so i learn new things.
[10:02] <BlueEagle> Linux Format is a very good linux mag. I subscribed to it before I got ADSL.
[10:02] <BlueEagle> After that there really wasn't much point. :)
[10:02] <surgy> when i run the command  "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" i get the following error: http://pastebin.ca/412589 can someone help me please?
[10:02] <BlueEagle> Even tho the QnA are very comprehensive and the how-tos arr very good imo.
[10:03] <BlueEagle> surgy: Are those all the errors you get?
[10:03] <surgy> blueeagle: yes sir
[10:03] <BlueEagle> surgy: No reason as to why anthy, gdm, mz-t and scim-anthy cause errors?
[10:04] <surgy> blueeagle: i dont know why they whould cuase errors
[10:04] <BlueEagle> surgy: Try to install those packages one at a time and see if you can find something more comprehensive like a dependency error or something similar.
[10:04] <j1mc> BlueEagle: Linux Journal is a little too technical for me right now.  That's why I prefer Linux Format.  I just wish it didn't come with a DVD so I could save $$.  :)
[10:05] <BlueEagle> j1mc: The DVD was the main reason for me subscribing before I got ADSL. :)
[10:05] <j1mc> BlueEagle: makes sense . . .  :-)
[10:05] <surgy> blueeagle: i found the problem, my adept is messed up becuase of a failed install, seams like its locked, a reboot is in order. thnx anyways though
[10:06] <BlueEagle> I think I only flipped trough Linux Journal once or twice at the store. Didn't really appeal to me for some reason.
[10:06] <BlueEagle> surgy: I doubt a rebot will fix it..
[10:07] <surgy> blueeagle: im not a complete newbie, i have had this problem before, if a reboot dfoesnt fix it then -f install will
[10:07] <BlueEagle> :)
[10:07] <surgy> :) but thank you
[10:07] <BlueEagle> surgy: np. :)
[10:07] <Arkh> surgy, you can remove the lock file
[10:08] <antares79> hi everyone
[10:08] <surgy> im waiting on my download to finish then ill reboot and fire up xfce
[10:08] <surgy> arkh: so i can accidently screw every things up? no thank you
[10:08] <Arkh> err you know what a lock file is?
[10:08] <surgy> it keeps me from running adept twice
[10:08] <antares79> i've got a quick question: is anyone here using an Xmodmap with xubuntu feisty?
[10:08] <Arkh> so you remove that file
[10:09] <Arkh> and the lock become revmoved
[10:09] <Arkh> removed*
[10:09] <Arkh> it happened to me a couple of times
[10:10] <Arkh> I just logged in as root, removed the lock and everthing was fine
[10:10] <Arkh> lol
[10:10] <Arkh> windows habits hardly dies :)
[10:10] <BlueEagle> Probably more luck on #ubuntu+1 methinks.
[10:10] <BlueEagle> antares79: ^
[10:11] <antares79> thanks blueeagle... do they know anything about xubuntu in there?
[10:11] <BlueEagle> Well xmodmap is the same for ubuntu and xubuntu isn't it? Or does Gnome has "it's own way"(tm)?
[10:11] <Arkh> setxkbmap -layout it -model pc105 -variant nodeadkeys
[10:12] <Arkh> I use this :p
[10:12] <antares79> no, but xubuntu uses a different set of scripts
[10:12] <Arkh> on xubuntu :P
[10:12] <antares79> arkh: mine is a bit more customized :-)
[10:12] <Arkh> :P
[10:13] <BlueEagle> antares79: Well I guess it doesn't hurt to ask. :)
[10:13] <antares79> right you are
[10:18] <rici> antares79: i have had some wierd results with xmodmap on xubuntu; i use xkbcomp
[10:21] <antares79> well, the result isn't weird, it works when I run it from a console... but it isn't loaded during the start of the session
[10:21] <rici> i guess it depends on what modifications you're making. i couldn't get mine to work at all with xmodmap
[10:21] <rici> did you put it in your x startup file?
[10:22] <antares79> which one is that? ;-)
[10:22] <rici> there are tons of them :(
[10:22] <antares79> besides, it's supposed to be loaded automatically... says /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc anyway
[10:23] <rici> that's one of them, yeah.
[10:23] <antares79> i put some debug lines into that script, and it even looks as if xmodmap runs... maybe it is overwritten again later on or something... don't know... i was hoping someone had seen this already and might have dug around a little bit
[10:27] <maxamillion> gotta run ... work calls ...
[10:32] <rici> antares79: that's very likely
[10:35] <antares79> yep... i'll try to find out... more logouts and logins... whooo :-)
[10:35] <antares79> i'm away now.. thanks
[11:04] <runtime> Hey
[11:07] <runtime> anyone know where I can get a xubuntu qemu image?
[11:26] <hyper_ch> PuMpErNiCkLe: you're there?
[11:27] <hyper_ch> #xubuntu-dev
[11:28] <hyper_ch> what's the xubuntu dev channel again?
[11:39] <harry__> can I install Xubuntu on a 700MB drive?
[11:40] <hyper_ch> harry__: no
[11:40] <hyper_ch> !requirements
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about requirements - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <harry__> I want to run a remote session from another computer
[11:43] <hyper_ch> well, more than 700mb disk space are needed
[11:50] <harry__> ok
[11:57] <Shaba1> Helo all
[11:57] <Shaba1> anyone here at atll
[11:59] <Shaba1> thank ormiret
[11:59] <Shaba1> Ok first is there anyway of rightclicking a web page in firefox and saving the shortcut to the desktop like there is in IE?
[11:59] <Shaba1> Second what windows manager does xubuntu use by default
[12:00] <Shaba1> Third is there anything like window explore on x untuntu
[12:00] <ormiret> The second one: xfwm4, Third Thunar
[12:02] <Shaba1> Thunar
[12:02] <ormiret> First is a bit trickier, I don't think there is an automated way from firefox but you probably can create launchers on the desktop that will load webpages, I don't know how though.
[12:02] <Shaba1> how do I get to that
[12:02] <Shaba1> ??
[12:02] <ormiret> I think it is File Mnager in the main menu.
[12:02] <Shaba1> Ok thanks
[12:03] <Shaba1> ok is there an uninstall icon/program/command
[12:04] <hyper_ch> Shaba1: (1) Windows Explorer sux :)
[12:04] <Shaba1> how can I place a program shortcut on the desktop
[12:04] <Shaba1> or at least in the applications menu
[12:04] <Shaba1> I downloaded Komposer
[12:04] <ormiret> You can uninstall things from synaptic.
[12:05] <Shaba1> and I have it in a directory in my home directory
[12:05] <Shaba1> but I just found with ormiret 's help how I start it
[12:05] <Shaba1> I thought it was lost actually
[12:05] <Shaba1> I found the folder using Thundr
[12:05] <Shaba1> :)
[12:06] <ormiret> You can put a link to the executable in the Desktop folder and it should show up
[12:06] <hyper_ch> Shaba1: for the destkop:  right-click on it --> create launcher --> enter the name of the application (well, mostly the binary is the same as the applicatino)
[12:06] <Shaba1> how?
[12:12] <Shaba1> Ok
[12:12] <Shaba1> hyper_ch,  I hope you are not a bot
[12:12] <Shaba1> I hate talking to bots
[12:12] <Shaba1> but I am finding it
[12:13] <maxamillion> Shaba1: hyper_ch is not a bot ... ubotu is the channel bot
[12:13] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: you're using feisty?
[12:13] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: and what's the dev channel again?
[12:14] <ormiret> #xubuntu-devel
[12:14] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: not on feisty yet, i haven't had any time this dev cycle to do testing ... dev channel is ... nvm, got beat to it
[12:15] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: I just noticed a new bug upon the last updates... the shutdown/restart options don't work anymore and sessions can't be saved either :(
[12:15] <Shaba1> Ok that worked
[12:15] <Shaba1> I do not have the right icon for it but that is a minor thing
[12:15] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: oh ouch
[12:15] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: you post a bug report on launchpad?
[12:15] <Shaba1> at least now I can get rid of the .tar and without fear
[12:15] <Shaba1> :)
[12:16] <maxamillion> Shaba1: icons are in /usr/share/icons/ by default
[12:16] <Shaba1> I will get to that later maxamillion  but thanks
[12:16] <Shaba1> I just wanted some way of at least starting the program first
[12:17] <Shaba1> taking the most important things first
[12:17] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: nope, didn't yet
[12:19] <Shaba1> can you guys answer any questions about xchat
[12:19] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: also check and see if that bug has been reported already
[12:19] <Shaba1> while I am here
[12:19] <Shaba1> seems no on is answering in #xchat
[12:19] <maxamillion> Shaba1: i haven't used xchat in years, but i might be able to ... what's up?
[12:19] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: will do so tomorrow
[12:19] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: cool :()
[12:19] <maxamillion> :)*
[12:20] <Shaba1> ok is there a /notify command
[12:20] <Shaba1> that will let me know if someone comes online
[12:20] <Shaba1> as there is in Mirc
[12:21] <Shaba1> second
[12:21] <maxamillion> Shaba1: uhmm... yeah i believe so
[12:21] <Shaba1> I installed chatzilla
[12:21] <Shaba1> and for some reason it made mozilla my default web browser
[12:21] <maxamillion> Shaba1: just type /no and hit the tab key and see if xchat autocompletes the command for you
[12:21] <maxamillion> Shaba1: you might have to hit the tab key a couple times
[12:22] <Shaba1> How do l uninstall it so it does not interfere with firefox
[12:22] <maxamillion> Shaba1: i am almost positive xchat has it ... irssi does