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Tonio_RockMan: bluez-utils uploaded, thanks again for the patch12:55
RockManTonio_: np, thank you about maintaining it12:55
Tonio_:)12:55
Tonio_let's write that english motibation letter......12:56
Tonio_I can't fail at tomorrow's interview....12:56
Tonio_need that job!12:56
RockMangood luck then :P12:58
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besonen_mobile2kubuntu ignores leading underscores when viewing alphabetically sorted directory listings.  is this a k/ubuntu'ism?  how can i change this?02:02
besonen_mobile2i'm using 7.0402:03
Tm_Toh crap02:07
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Riddellbesonen_mobile2: no, shouldn't be02:13
Tm_Tsorry 'bout that02:13
besonen_mobile2Riddell:  can you verify with one of your boxes?02:14
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LongPointyStickhttp://shinyblue.net/safelyRemove/02:24
LongPointyStickneat!02:24
=== LongPointyStick wishes cimmo would understand that we're *not* backporting new packages to edgy.
claydohneat but I can't get the scripts :(02:28
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LongPointySticksame here02:29
LongPointyStickalthough i'm on a windows machine02:29
claydohhttp://shinyblue.net/fdl/02:31
claydohwe just got new windows POS software at the restaurant, an we now have msoffice :(02:32
claydohjust as I got everyone using OOo02:32
besonen_mobile2claydoh:  surreptitious sabotage02:33
besonen_mobile2then swoop in with a foss solution02:33
claydohwell, all my docs are NOT in any ms format, so for my 2 spreadsheets and text files it still opens OOo02:34
claydohbut I may have to convert the sheets as now all 16 stores have the same software... :(02:34
claydohcouldn't get the district mgr to understand OOo in terms of usability, etc and that its not 'freeware'02:35
claydohHmmmmm02:36
LongPointyStickheh02:37
LongPointyStickTonio_: i can help wiht english-based stuff, if i'm here02:40
Tonio_LongPointyStick: ready to read my resume then ?02:42
Tonio_LongPointyStick: accepting dcc ?02:43
Tonio_LongPointyStick: email should be gone tomorrow 8 am..... not much time to get something perfect ;)02:43
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Tonio_LongPointyStick: :(02:46
Tonio_jjesse: any moment to review my resume in english ?02:46
jjessesure02:46
Tonio_I need to email it tomorrow 8 am...02:46
jjessejjesse@iserv.net02:46
RiddellTonio_: for one thing, it's called a CV02:46
jjesseis that curriculum vitale? or however that's spelled?02:47
Tm_TVitae02:47
Tonio_Riddell: hu ? I always heard "rsum"02:47
jjesseit depends on where you are from02:47
Tonio_at least that's the way the american guys I worked with called it....02:47
Tonio_so CV for the UK and resume for the US ?02:48
Tm_Teven we finnish people talk about CV02:48
jjesseUS is resume i know that02:48
Tonio_Riddell: you're ill, should go to bed ! ^_^02:48
Tm_Thmm hmm02:48
Tm_Tanyone like to buy me a flights to aKademy ?02:49
Tonio_jjesse: I'm unsure about the way I described a few things.... that's pretty complicated in fact02:49
Tonio_hard to do it in french sometimes, so in english........02:49
Tonio_same problem with the motivation letter.....02:49
RiddellTonio_: too ill to sleep02:49
jjesseTonio_: don't worry i'll look at it and my wife edits resumes as well, so we can help you out :)02:49
Tonio_Riddell: that's the worst case :(02:49
Tonio_jjesse: 3 am here in france, and I have to wake up at 7 to send the email, FYI ;)02:50
jjesseTonio_: ok02:50
Tm_TTonio_: 0350 here and should wake up before 802:50
Tonio_I'd like to sleep at least 2 hours since I have a phone interview in english with the europe IT manager...02:51
Tonio_Tm_T: hard isn't it ? ;)02:51
jjesseTonio_: ok, did you send it ?02:51
Tonio_jjesse: yes02:51
Tm_TTonio_: sleeping? yes it is02:51
Tonio_Tm_T: hehe02:51
Tm_Tprolly fall asleep 075002:51
Tm_Tas usual02:51
jjesseTonio_: i still haven't received it02:52
Tm_Twill see shrink (?) and do training contract tomorrow, err, I mean today02:53
jjesseTonio_: checked my spam filter as well and its not there02:55
Tonio_jjesse: better solution just a second02:55
jjesseTonio_: ok02:55
Tonio_http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/Anthony %20Mercatante%20(CV-EN).pdf02:56
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Tonio_http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/Anthony%20Mercatante%20(CV-EN).pdf02:56
Tonio_I'm unsure of the use of "domains" at the beginning02:57
jjesseok reading it right now02:57
Riddellcheck capitalisation of vmware02:57
Riddellalso every book I've read says CVs should be 2 pages long02:57
jjesseagreed02:58
RiddellDosScript?02:58
Tonio_hum, that can be different depending the countries02:59
jjessedefinietly need to remove mcdonalds02:59
Tonio_Riddell: 10 pages CV is acceptable in france02:59
jjessenot relevant02:59
Tonio_jjesse: agree on that point02:59
Riddell"Protocols" section lacks capitalisation02:59
Tonio_Riddell: yes dosscript exists hehe ;) I've done pretty big things with it02:59
Riddell"Detailed capabilities" not in title case02:59
Riddellwhat is a system engineer?03:00
jjesseis there a reason that you includ protocols?03:00
Riddell"System administrator" lacks capital03:00
Tonio_jjesse: not any, but that's recommended (in france....)03:00
Riddelljjesse: maybe he's a keen user of netcat :)03:01
jjesseTonio_: ok, you are applying for a job in france correct?03:01
RiddellI'd include servers rather than protocols03:01
Tonio_jjesse: true03:01
Tonio_Riddell: sounds better you're right03:01
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Riddellwhat's GPOs?03:01
Tonio_group policy object, in active directory03:02
Tonio_ldap concept03:02
Riddellno space before colons03:02
jjesseTonio_: the one part that is hard to read is the whole "elaboration...."03:02
Riddell"american" people deserve a capital03:02
jjesseTonio_: what is computer parck management?03:03
Tonio_park03:03
jjesseyeah park03:03
Tonio_hum, jjesse know what is OCS inventory ?03:04
Tonio_or parkline ?03:04
jjessei've heard the term berfore03:04
RiddellEmploye is spelt wrong (but remove that section as said)03:04
Tonio_those are tools to manage your "park" I'm unsure or the term03:04
Tonio_Riddell: yup removed03:04
RiddellMcDonald's is also spelt wrong03:04
jjessebut he is removing that03:04
Riddellwhat's Sharkology?03:05
Tonio_recommended to keep that in france (shows your skills at working a lot hehe)03:05
Tonio_Riddell: science of sharks03:05
Tonio_Riddell: if I wasn't an informatician, I'd be a shark expert ;)03:05
Tonio_that my big passion in life03:05
Riddellnothing about it in wikipaedia03:05
Tonio_http://www.sharkology.com/03:06
RiddellI'd recommend against making up words except that this is a US company and they do that a lot03:06
Tonio_Riddell: needs to be created03:06
jjessehave we got it down to 2 pages yet?03:06
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Tonio_Riddell: that's a real word, but very specific, so pretty unknown03:06
Riddellthe whole thing looks like it has too much spacing in it03:06
Tonio_jjesse: no but that's not a problem03:06
Riddellalso it has no prose in it03:07
Tonio_Riddell: yup, that's a cv, not a motivation letter03:07
jjessein a CV do you include an objective portion of it?03:07
jjessei know when i wrote my last resume i incldued an objective03:07
Tonio_jjesse: nope, but as I say expectations are different depending the country....03:07
Riddella paragraph or two saying who you are, how hard you work and what a lot of experience you have is a good idea03:08
Riddellyes, objectives are a US thing in general03:08
Tonio_Riddell: that's the purpose of the motivation letter03:08
RiddellTonio_: ok03:08
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jjessethat's the best part of working a group like this, i'm always learning something03:10
Tonio_appart from the capitals issue etc.... is that correct ?03:10
RiddellTonio_: references?03:10
jjesseor are those included on the motiviation letter?03:10
Riddellcould be, so long as they're somewhere03:11
jjesseagreed they need to be03:11
Tonio_Riddell: what do you mean by "references" ?03:11
Riddell"motivation letter" sounds like a suspiciously US thing too.  Covering letter in normal language03:11
Tonio_Riddell: okay03:11
jjessei've never heard of a motivation letter i thought it was a european thing03:11
jjessein america we call them cover letters03:12
RiddellTonio_: people to contact to say what a good worker you are and how hard you work for your 35 hours03:12
Riddellmaybe it's just the french who need motivation :)03:12
Tonio_Riddell: haha :) I never worked less than 50 hours a week03:12
Tonio_sometimes 60, 70...03:12
Riddell50 hours!  they should have laws against that sort of thing03:12
Tonio_Riddell: that's a legen, a very few people are really working 35 hours03:12
Tonio_mostly governement employees03:13
jjessegrin i'm a consultant now so i don't work more hours then people will pay me to work03:13
Riddellah, Chirac's boys :)03:13
Tonio_Riddell: yup ;)03:13
jjesseTonio_: ok i have to go pick up the dog, i think it looks good w/ the capitalization changes and make sure spellings are correctly03:13
Tonio_Riddell: the 35 hours problem is that only the people who previously worked only 39 now work 35..... nonsense03:13
jjesseTonio_: don't know for sure because i'm not used to CVs03:14
Tonio_jjesse: is "expertise domains" correct ?03:14
Tonio_I'm unsure about this03:14
RiddellE-mail has a capital03:14
jjessehmm thinking03:14
jjessewhat do you want expertise domains to mean?  things you are an expert in?03:14
Tonio_Riddell: yeah capitals is a illness for me.... french generally don't capitalize anything ;)03:14
Tonio_things I am expert in03:15
jjessethinking....03:15
jjessewife and i think that proficient in: instaed of expertise domains03:16
jjesseand group them all together03:16
nixternalhallo03:16
Tonio_yeah, but "proficient in" as a title is a bit strange no ?03:16
jjessehiya nixternal we are proofing Tonio_'s CV03:16
nixternalwoohoo03:17
jjessea bit, but both of us can understand it better03:17
Tonio_nixternal: need an english one, which scares me a bit ;)03:17
nixternalI am doing my C++ homework, and reading from a file into arrays, and then ignoring is killing me :)03:17
Tonio_jjesse: the guy reading the CV is german :)03:17
Tonio_jjesse: so maybe expertise domains is okay03:17
jjessenixternal: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/Anthony%20Mercatante%20(CV-EN).pdf03:17
Tonio_that didn't shock riddell btw03:17
jjesseTonio_: ok03:18
Riddellmy CV just uses "Computer Skills"03:18
Riddellyour phrase sounds overly corporate, but maybe that's not a bad thing03:18
jjesseok time to go get the dog03:18
jjessebe back in a bit03:18
jjessei hope i was helpful03:18
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Tonio_nite Riddell, and thanks for the help03:19
nixternalhehe, 1995-2000 Mickey D's03:20
nixternalor is that something different03:20
Tonio_nixternal: yeah when I was a student..... hard moments ;)03:20
Tonio_but I met my girlfriend there, so it's okay :)03:20
nixternalI got fired from there in 1989 because I wouldn't mop or sweep up a mess the boss made03:21
nixternalI didn't even work 1 day03:21
Tonio_nixternal: ouch that's hard !03:21
nixternalhehe03:21
Tonio_nixternal: I insulted everyone there 20 times at least, when under pressure never got fired :)03:21
nixternalhaha03:22
Tonio_even the boss03:22
Tonio_he just went here at a hard moment and started pissing off everyone03:22
Tonio_I just said him something like "now, shut the f*ck up, and move your ass over there !"03:22
Tonio_never got fired ;) French labour laws are nice sometimes :)03:23
nixternallol03:23
Tonio_but the boss was a pretty nice guy too I must say03:23
Tonio_he considered that was due to stress and that's it03:23
nixternalI have never been so lucky03:24
Tonio_nixternal: any suggestion to improve the cv ?03:24
nixternalget "Protocols" to post ont he first page if possible, leaving hte 2nd for your Professional Experience03:25
nixternalsee, I know in the US, you don't want to have more than 2 pages unless you are an executive, but I don't know how it is there03:25
nixternalI don't even know if I have an old CV/Resume lying around03:26
Tonio_nixternal: protocols has been changed to "servers" section03:26
Tonio_detailing the apps in use depending the protocol (http -> apache1/2, lighttpd IIS) etc...03:26
Tonio_nixternal: the targeted job is executive :)03:27
Tonio_nixternal: IT manager for amazon france03:27
nixternalnice03:27
Tonio_nixternal: could be ;)03:27
Tonio_in france, people generally tell not to go over 2 pages too, but I never had any problems using 3 pages03:28
Tonio_a friend of mine has a 10 pages CV, no pb too :)03:28
Tonio_jjesse: smtp;553 5.3.0 Rejected by Iserv RBL - 84.96.92.6103:28
Tonio_jjesse: you'll never get the mail.....03:29
Tonio_jjesse: which rbl list is that ?03:29
Tm_TI have never done real CV and that would be hard to do03:29
nixternalI need to work on mine03:29
nixternalit is sad, my last one was done when I worked for the evil empire03:29
Tonio_nixternal: microsoft ?03:30
nixternalyup03:30
Tonio_nixternal: I refused to work for them twice03:30
nixternalSun Solaris admin of all things03:30
Tonio_first time was to be VIP tech support (could have meet bill....)03:30
Tonio_second time was last year, refused to go there as a contractor03:30
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nixternalI actually liked working there, and the money was great03:31
nixternalvorian: you lost?03:31
nixternal;p03:31
voriannixternal, that hurt my feelings :(03:32
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nixternalhahah vorian03:32
vorianah!03:32
nixternalyou have been had03:32
vorianI'm broadening my horizons nixternal :)03:32
nixternalthem GNOME people are coming in trying to get the secrets!03:32
vorianI'm testing kubuntu ISO's actually :)03:33
nixternalwhile(de == gnome){ /ignore $*;}03:33
nixternalhere is one for you03:34
vorianlol03:34
nixternalI have recently noticed that Samba does not work for me anymore03:34
vorianthanks03:34
Tonio_nixternal: there is no reason that working for MS would be worse than with another company03:34
nixternalI worked for the US evil empire as well, AT&T. Now that job stunk, and was controlled by the mafia03:35
Tonio_ouch........03:35
Tonio_nixternal: no ibm in the past too ?03:35
nixternala bunch of evil empires03:35
Tonio_nixternal: you should anticipate this time, go google ;)03:35
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nixternalTonio_: funny you should ask, I worked in their data center with one of their partners03:35
nixternaland they had the nerve to fire me because I wanted to take a week off and visit with my daughter03:36
Tonio_nixternal: who never worked for ibm ? :)03:36
Tonio_I did too but that's not on the cv03:36
Tonio_too short to be documented...03:36
Tonio_3 times 3 weeks, for short consulting things03:36
nixternalI didn't work directly for IBM, but I got to enjoy their massive datacenter03:36
Tonio_nixternal: can be impressive indeed :)03:37
nixternaltheir datacenter was awesome03:37
Tonio_nixternal: biggest one I saw was in paris03:37
Tonio_10k servers03:37
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nixternalbiggest one I saw was Walmarts03:37
nixternalhiya Hobbsee03:37
Tonio_how many ?03:37
Tonio_10k 1U servers :) no big machines03:38
Tm_Toh man, ksysguard in KDE is lovely <303:38
Tonio_but that's pretty impressive too :)03:38
nixternalserver amount I don't know, but it is 95% underground03:38
nixternalthe US government has even asked to use their facility03:38
nixternalit is on wikipedia03:38
Tonio_nixternal: same in my case :)03:38
Tonio_nixternal: I'd love to see the google one03:38
Tonio_probably the biggest on earth03:38
nixternalTonio_: you have to work for Google to see that one03:39
Tonio_nixternal: very few people at google even know where it is03:39
Hobbseeheya nixternal, Tonio_03:39
Tonio_Hobbsee: :)03:39
nixternalI interviewed in Mountain View last year, and the tour of the entire facility, never took us anywhere near the data center03:39
nixternalthe Google data center in Chicago is nice03:39
Tonio_nixternal: as I said, most google employees dont know where is the datacenter in fact03:39
Tonio_I'm pretty sure it isn't in mountain view03:40
HobbseeTonio_: did you get that english thing sorted out?03:40
Tonio_Hobbsee: cv done, now writting the covering letter03:40
Tonio_which is easiest since I can find prototypes on the net :)03:40
Tonio_easier03:41
nixternalbbiaf, I need to get my C++ homework done, unless of course one of you want to finish it for me ;p03:41
HobbseeTonio_: neat :)03:41
HobbseeTonio_: i'll proofread it if you want, that's no problem03:41
Hobbsee(and you can give me ideas)03:41
HobbseeTonio_: email please03:43
Hobbseesorry, i descreened just before you spoke03:43
HobbseeTonio_: employee has two e's03:46
Hobbseewell, 303:46
Tonio_Hobbsee: already removed that from the cv anyway ;)03:46
Hobbseeahhh03:47
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Tonio_Hobbsee: the problem is that my french covering letter is untranslatable :)03:55
HobbseeTonio_: ahhh03:55
Tonio_french has so many specific adjective that it is pretty impossible to translate it....03:56
HobbseeTonio_: cant help you with that, then03:56
Tonio_I have to write it in the english way03:56
Hobbseei thought it had to be in english?03:56
Hobbseeah03:56
Tonio_Hobbsee: it has to03:56
Tonio_well they have the french one and need the english one :)03:56
Hobbsee:)03:56
Tonio_but they can't be the same, looking at english examples, it is way different than french03:56
Tonio_half of what I put in my letter is something nobody will never say except in a covering letter context03:57
Tonio_Hobbsee: we are learning how to write covering letter at university for 6 month :) can you imagin that mess ?03:57
Hobbseeneat :)03:57
Hobbseeyep03:57
Tonio_Hobbsee: still there is 30 mintues ? just time to finish the letter04:05
Hobbseeshould be04:06
Hobbseehttp://www.smh.com.au/news/business/coles-took-the-buy-out-of-bilo/2007/03/27/1174761467240.html04:06
Hobbseeheh, no shit.  you could have come and asked *any* casheir, any time in the past 12 months or so, and they would ahve told you that04:06
Hobbseeeven before you started changing stores04:07
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Jucatomoin!04:09
Tm_Tmoinmoin04:10
Hobbseehey Jucato!04:10
Tm_Thmm, anyone has suggestion how to get news (rss) shown in desktop easily?04:11
Jucatosuperkaramba?04:11
Jucatohi Hobbsee!04:11
Tm_Thmm, forget that04:11
Tm_TJucato: I rather not use SK (:04:12
Tm_Tjust realised anyway that it's not what I need04:12
Jucatoknewsticker (on kicker)?04:12
Tm_Tnope, looks like it's easiest just to put my google homepage to new order04:13
Jucato:)04:14
Jucatoor wait for Plasma in 2010 :D04:14
Tm_Tand IF I like to have any news shown in desktop, I use conky or similar04:14
Jucatook...04:14
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Jucatolooks like I'll be extending into the afternoon... again...04:15
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nixternalhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12452/  <-- help me fix that Current column :)04:15
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nixternalMez: !@!04:15
nixternalyou dj'n tonight?04:15
Jucatoaw shucks... today? :(04:15
nixternalthat current column is killing me04:16
nixternaland the fix is easy, I know it is with a silly inFile.ignore(#, ' ')04:16
Meznixternal, tomorrow04:17
nixternalahh, my early night04:17
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nixternalme either ;)04:18
Jucatohehe04:18
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Meznixternal, but tune in, you'll like this DJ :d04:26
zakamehi all!04:36
Hobbseehey zakame!04:37
HobbseeJucato:  how'd the studying go?04:37
zakamehi Hobbsee! :D04:37
zakamessup?04:37
Hobbseezakame: you're going to fix bugs today.04:37
JucatoHobbsee: C++? currently doing chapter 3 exercises :D04:38
HobbseeJucato: woo :)04:38
Jucatoif you mean MOTU stuff, I only tackle that at night :P04:38
HobbseeJucato: imeant the packaging :P04:38
Hobbseeahhh04:38
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Jucatomornings == C++ (and some other stuff); nights == MOTU04:38
Hobbseefair enough04:39
n8k99but it's night time Jucato ;-)04:39
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Jucaton8k99: in your world maybe :P04:39
Jucatoer... "part of the world"04:39
n8k99you were correct sir, it is my world!!!!!!04:39
n8k99BAW-ahahahahahahaha04:40
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Hobbseen8k99: IT'S MY WORLD, AND I RULE IT WITH THE LONG POINTY STICK OF DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!04:40
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Tonio_Hobbsee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/7904:40
Tonio_not perfect, but for a french writing english, I think that's okay :)04:40
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Jucatoooh Tonio_ is still here? must be a long night :)04:41
Hobbseehehe04:41
Tonio_Jucato: nightmare :/04:41
Tonio_Jucato: I'd LOVE to bed now04:41
Jucatoouch...04:41
Tonio_have to wake up at 7h30.... it is currently 4h4004:41
n8k99ew04:41
Tonio_Hobbsee: just tell me that's okay so that I can move to bed ;)04:41
Jucatouh oh... better just take a short 30-min nap then... otherwise if you sleep longer, you're gonna be in a worse state...04:42
HobbseeTonio_: i'd forgotten about the way different languages structure their sentences04:42
Tonio_Hobbsee: you mean ?04:43
HobbseeTonio_: some of the sentences sound odd in english04:43
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'm so used to do that in french that is is very hard to consider another language, especially when french except a very high level language.....04:44
Hobbseelike, phrased weirdly04:44
Tonio_Hobbsee: example ?04:44
Hobbseeyeah, of course04:44
Tonio_Hobbsee: if you have suggestions/corrections, please tell me :)04:44
HobbseeYour advertisement for the above position has interested me very much and I would like to apply. --> more like, "i'm interested in your adver... for the above position, and would like to apply"04:44
HobbseeNewly relocated to Orlans, this one retained my attention, as corresponding to my profile and experience. particularly04:44
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Hobbseemost of it is gramatically correct - just not how english is mostly used04:45
Hobbsees/gave me/has given me/04:46
Tonio_Hobbsee: okay so how would you rewrite this ?04:48
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Tonio_that's indeed typically the way to write french in fact :)04:48
=== Hobbsee is still surprised Tonio_'s got that much of english correct - my german's appalling!
Hobbseeyeah, wouldnt surprise me04:48
n8k99wardsback04:49
Tonio_Hobbsee: my english isn't that good.... after 12 years practicing, it should be much better...04:49
n8k99but ony subtlely04:50
HobbseeTonio_: extra professional?04:50
Hobbseeisnt that voluntary?04:51
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jetsaredimRiddell:04:51
Tonio_Hobbsee: that's part of extra-professional no ?04:51
jetsaredimI used that kde upgrade assistant utility listed on the kubuntu page04:51
=== Hobbsee hasnt heard of extra-professional
Hobbseejetsaredim: he's asleep04:52
jetsaredimdoh04:52
Tonio_I can put voluntary, no problem ;)04:52
HobbseeTonio_: i used tha tlater, yeah :P04:53
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Hobbseeoh wait, taht does work.04:53
Hobbseeish04:53
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HobbseeTonio_: done04:55
Hobbseehttp://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/8004:55
HobbseeTonio_: usually in english, people will work along the lines of: i'm suitable for foo, because of bar, bling, bling, more bar, etc04:56
Tonio_Hobbsee: thanks a lot :)04:56
Hobbseeinstead of "Bar, bling, bling, and more bar make me suitable for foo"04:56
Tonio_stopping there and going to bed right now :)04:56
Hobbseeyou can do it once or so, as a quirk - but it gets annoying doing it repeatedly04:56
Hobbseebecause then you're reading all this stuff, and going "so what relevance does this have?", until you get to the end of the sentence04:57
Hobbseehehe, sounds good to me :)04:57
Hobbseeat least, that's what they taught us at school :P04:58
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Jucatobye Hobbsee05:03
Jucatobah :P05:03
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nixternalcrimsun: where are you hiding?05:57
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billytwowillyhey, you guys reintroduced a bug into kaffeine/xine. Any file with a # sign (and probably other weird signs) in its title will not play.08:57
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Jucatomoin Hobbsee09:02
Jucatobillytwowilly: I can reproduce that bug. mplayer plays ok09:02
Jucatowith kmplayer and kplayer09:03
kwwiimoin Hobbsee, Jucato09:03
billytwowillyyah, but it's not the same as kaffeine.09:03
Jucatokwwii!!! :)09:03
billytwowillyand it's silly because it was fixed in edgy.09:03
Hobbseeheya Jucato!09:04
Hobbseehiya kwwii09:04
Hobbseeright.  hair is now a reasonable lenght.09:04
kwwiiHobbsee: if you've any extra hair you can give it to me09:04
Jucatokwwii: btw... Sho_ (konvi guy) said that the usplash breaks kvm09:04
JucatoHobbsee: nooooo!!! you cut it? O.o09:04
Hobbseekwwii: i'm afraid the hairdresser has it.09:04
HobbseeJucato: yup09:04
Jucatonooooo!!!!09:05
kwwiiJucato: hrm? what is kvm?09:05
Hobbseewhy nooooo?09:05
Jucato:D09:05
Jucatonothing heheh.. just didn't know how to react lol09:05
Hobbsee:P09:05
Jucatokwwii: virtualization stuff built into the linux kernel09:05
kwwiiahhhhh, well, good thing that is not my problem09:05
kwwii;-)09:05
Jucatoheheh :)09:06
kwwiihe/she should file a bug09:06
ajmitchHobbsee! you got hair cut?!?09:06
Hobbseeajmitch: yes!09:06
JucatoHobbsee: see? I'm not the only one who's shocked :P09:06
Hobbseehehe09:07
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ajmitchHobbsee: just how short is it?09:07
Hobbseeajmitch: um, a lot shorter09:08
Hobbseeit's still off my shoulders09:08
Jucatoaaaaah :)09:08
ajmitchscary09:08
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_StefanS_mornings09:20
Hobbseehiya _StefanS_!09:21
_StefanS_hobhobs09:21
Jucatomoin _StefanS_09:21
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_StefanS_JucatoHhh09:21
Jucatooh btw guys, anyone confirming billytwowilly's bug on kaffeine/xine? (I think more on xine though)09:21
_StefanS_what bug?09:22
Jucato <billytwowilly> hey, you guys reintroduced a bug into kaffeine/xine. Any file with a # sign (and probably other weird signs) in its title will not play.09:22
_StefanS_well thats correct09:22
_StefanS_but that must be a thing introduced by kaffeine crew (or xine) them selves09:23
JucatoI think more on xine, because it won't play on kmplayer using xine as backend09:23
_StefanS_oka trying kmplayer..09:23
Lurekwwii: do you still plan to reduce saturation of scrollbars?09:24
_StefanS_Jucato: kmplayer doesn't do it either it seems09:24
kwwiiLure: I changed that already09:24
kwwiiLure: and if the changes are not in yet there is a serious problem09:25
_StefanS_Jucato: its xine alright09:25
Jucatobillytwowilly: ^^^09:26
Jucatonow I wonder if it's just us or upstream too :/09:26
Jucatobut if it's xine, must be MOTU territory...09:26
Lurekwwii: does not look to me: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/Scrollbars.png09:27
Lurekwwii: or is this it?09:28
kwwiiLure: no, that is not it09:28
kwwiiI added a colorscheme file weeks ago09:29
kwwiifreaky09:29
Lurekwwii: btw, is it still possible to build kde3 oxygen theme now that oxygen icon names were renamed?09:29
kwwiiLure: it will not work, no09:30
kwwiiyou would have to either patch kde3 to use the new names or rename them all09:30
Lurekwwii: :-(09:30
Lurekwwii: or have symlink package ;-)09:31
kwwiiLure: yeah, exactly09:31
_StefanS_Jucato: must be upstream on xine.09:33
kwwiiLure: I'll ping Riddell about the colors again09:35
kwwiiand again09:35
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_StefanS_haha I just installed solaris 10... what a piece of junk :D11:26
mhbgood morning11:32
_StefanS_mornings mhb11:36
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Riddellkwwii_: you pinged?01:18
kwwii_Riddell: well, we need to make sure that the color scheme changes get included eventually01:18
Riddellkwwii_: I uploaded k-d-s with your changed during the beta freeze01:19
Riddellchanges01:19
kwwii_hrm, Lure was asking about when it would be included as his is still the old version01:20
Riddellkwwii_: well apt-get source kubuntu-default-settings and see if it's what you need01:23
Riddell_Sime_: no 0.8 yet?01:26
RiddellLure: k3b approved, please add and test those patche you were talking about and poke Tonio_ or someone to upload (I'm ill)01:28
Jucatowoot! :)01:28
LureRiddell: great! will do tonight01:28
LureRiddell: and get well!01:28
Jucatoaw... still sick? Riddell, hope you get well soon!01:28
LureRiddell: do we need to refernce UVF approal (mail/bug or something) in change log?01:29
kwwii_Riddell: it does seem to include the changes already01:33
kwwii_Lure: dude, update your system!01:33
Lurekwwii_: really? maybe I have some junk in my profile...01:33
Lurekwwii_: which config file controls this? polyesterrc?01:34
kwwii_Lure: the colourscheme file01:34
kwwii_so in appearance-->colors01:34
kwwii_the name of the "theme" is kuseven01:34
Lurekwwii_: it works.01:35
Jucato:)01:35
kwwii_:-)01:35
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Lurekwwii_: interesting - I have never changed color defaults here (at least I do not recall) :-)01:35
kwwiiRiddell: sorry for bothering you when you aren't feeling well01:35
Lurekwwii: but this profile is dragging now from hoary times ;-)01:36
LureRiddell: sorry from me too01:36
Jucato:O01:36
Lurekwwii: and sorry to bother you...01:36
kwwiiLure: well, if we still need to change it we can01:36
kwwii:-)01:36
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Lurekwwii: I think it is much better (doesn't pop-up much any more), but I have to use it for some time to feel the difference01:37
Lurekwwii: btw, the boot splash is soo nice, that I enjoy booting my machine ;-)01:38
kwwiilol, cool!01:38
hungerWhy does an upgrade want to deinstall qt4.2 now?01:39
Jucatocan we just have a video of the bootsplash :)01:39
Jucatohm... no such update here.... :/01:42
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hungerJucato: It is speedcrunch that wants qt3support which does not seem to be up to date with the other Qt stuff.01:45
JucatoI thought it used qt4 since edgy?01:45
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Tonio_Riddell: I'll upload k3b01:56
Tonio_Lure: no change outside of the revu version ?01:57
Tonio_Lure: hum patches need testing, okay01:59
Tonio_Lure: let me know I'll be there to upload, no problem02:00
Tonio_Lure: if any help is required to test, I can help02:00
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giangyTonio_: \o/ for k3b =)02:24
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Tonio_giangy: yeah great nes ;)02:24
giangywell today I've installed kubuntu on ~50 boxes in my school02:25
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giangybetter than nothing :)02:25
Tonio_giangy: hehe great ;)02:28
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waylandbillis there a problem in the feisty synaptics stuff? disabling the touch pad has no effect.02:42
Tonio_waylandbill: the "mouse" driver also handles touchpads, that might be the cause02:50
Tonio_waylandbill: depends which driver is loaded in the first place02:50
waylandbillTonio_: ok. I'll look into that.02:50
manchicken__Does anybody know what's causing the trouble with console-setup breaking?02:58
manchickenOr is it just broken for me?03:00
manchickenI'm willing to take a peeky-peek at it today.03:00
Tonio_manchicken: bah old package version03:13
Tonio_manchicken: purge the package and reinstall03:13
Tonio_manchicken: will work03:13
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manchickenLots of stuff depends on that.  How would you recommend I do that?03:18
manchickendigiKam takes a long time to scan 9GB of photos for duplicates.03:20
manchicken:)03:20
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mhbdist-upgrade reports strange messages03:38
mhb(dist-upgrade tool)03:38
mhbit complains about space at /boot, which is silly, as I have more than 1.2GB free in root directory03:39
nixternalmorning03:39
mhbmorning nixternal03:39
Jucatomoin to all you wonderful people :)03:40
Hobbseehiya Jucato03:41
Jucatooh yeah, Hobbsee included :D03:41
mhbis there any place for bugreports of the dist-upgrade tool03:41
Jucatohehe hi Hobbsee :)03:41
Jucatomhb: I believe the wiki links to a bug in LP03:41
Hobbseeheh03:42
Jucatobug 8471703:42
ubotuMalone bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8471703:43
mhbthanks03:43
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Jucatonixternal or Hobbsee: the PDF Packaging Guide is up to date? (don't know if the HTML version is more updated or what...)03:46
nixternalJucato: don't know, that is LaserJock's baby03:46
Hobbseeno diea03:47
Hobbseedidnt know there was a pdf one03:47
nixternalI know he did updates recently to it, but I don't know if he created an updated PDF03:47
Jucatook... I just read that as "LaserJock baby" :D03:47
nixternalhehe, and it is :)03:47
mhbRiddell: seems more people experience problems with the free space checking (and I'm one of them - commented on the 84717 bug) ... maybe worthy of your todo list, once you get better of course :o)03:48
Jucatoaw shucks.... he's Laser away... :(03:48
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Riddellmhb: it's mvo's issue really04:04
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manchickenI don't think there is one, but does anybody know of a win32 port of digiKam?04:14
manchickenI'm guessing that it would be extremely unlikely.04:14
Riddellthere isn't one04:15
manchickenThat's what I thougt.04:15
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bddebianHeya04:20
Jucatohi bddebian :)04:21
bddebianGaah :-)04:21
JucatoI'm everywhere now :)04:21
bddebianHeh, no kidding04:21
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LeeJunFanRiddell is about to hate me.04:34
LeeJunFanI've got a handful of bugs I've found while tracking down my kdesktop crash. Which BTW requires dpms and amarok to be loaded (not necessarily playing).04:35
LeeJunFanoh, plus screensaver. To trigger set screensaver to 1 min, xset dpms 10 20 0 (it needs suspend to trigger it, standby alone wont work), and load amarok, let your computer sit for a min, kdesktop crash.04:37
alleeHol manchicken: digikam: for kde4 they plan to do a native windows port (including kipi-plugins)04:43
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manchickenallee: Interesting.04:44
manchickenI have no interest in a windows port myself, but a friend of mine is very interested.04:44
manchickenShe's become a bit of a digital camera junkie.04:44
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ubuntuhi since laaast update i cant boot, i have a problem wth kdinnit04:45
ubuntukdeinit04:45
Hobbseeubuntu: #ubuntu+104:46
alleemanchicken: so maaaaaaaaaayyyybeeee you have a christmas present for her04:46
Hobbseethis si not a support channel04:46
manchickenallee: Or I could just get her a live CD :)04:46
manchickenallee: A running, stable, happy computer would be a better present than a program for one that is none of those things :)04:47
allee:)04:47
alleeHi Hobbsee. Still awake ;)04:48
Hobbseeallee: for the moment, yeah :)04:49
allee:)04:49
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manchickenMan, digiKam needs a better method of determining whether or not it needs to hold its cache.04:56
manchickenWhen you're trying to search and destroy duplicates, it holds onto the cache too much.04:56
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jetsaredimif the livecd fails to come up all the way, what is the next easiest path to getting a system installer with kubuntu?05:03
jetsaredimjust install the base system and then install kubuntu-desktop05:03
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alleemanchicken: they use KDE's thumbnail cache.  Make it bigger05:08
manchickenIt's not that it's not big enough, it's that it is holding onto the cache for the images when trying to check for duplicates.05:09
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n8k99the 'spyware' issues?05:37
Jucatoyeah05:37
Jucatoon one hand, I do understand their paranoia05:37
Jucatoon the other hand, they're too paranoid05:37
n8k99exactly05:38
Jucatobut since I'm not too technically knowledgeable of the whole thing, can somebody *please* put an end to it in #kubuntu? :/05:38
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n8k99i think it will rest fora  while now05:42
Tonio_Jucato: interview in 20 minutes05:43
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JucatoTonio_: ooh for the job? good luck! :)05:43
n8k99good luck Tonio_05:43
Jucatoand have confidence in your English. it's good 'nuff ;)05:43
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Tonio_Jucato: I hope so05:49
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kwwiiwhat?05:51
kwwiiahhh, now I read it again...you saw in your mind05:52
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giangykwwii: :))05:54
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gandalf__hello07:24
gandalf__I just upgraded to kubuntu 7.04 beta07:24
gandalf__And when I lauch adapt, it tells me it's locked by another process07:25
gandalf__does anybody know what's wrong ?07:25
guaquago command line, go commando07:26
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gandalf__thanks07:41
gandalf__how can I enable Beryl and the nifty special effects ?07:41
guaquathe same way you do it in edgy07:42
gandalf__and how do you do it in Edgy ?07:42
guaquanow, that's something the wiki's tell you07:42
guaquai personally use a special .Xsession file in home dir07:43
guaquaand some specifics in xorg.conf07:43
gandalf__no gui way of doing it ?07:44
guaquathere might be07:46
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LureTonio_: do you know why we have patch to remove splash from k3b and do not use k-d-s instead?08:05
Tonio_Lure: nope08:06
Tonio_Lure: probably because the guy who did that forgot kds08:06
Tonio_Lure: will do that in kds toonight08:06
Tonio_remove the patch ;)08:06
LureTonio_: will do08:07
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LureTonio_: updated k3b package available: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=475209:07
LureTonio_: tested some fixes and couple of burns09:08
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_SimeRiddell, sebas, yuriy: 0.8 is up on the website now.09:30
sebas_Sime_: Did you put the typo fix in?09:30
sebas(See email from 15 minutes ago)09:30
sebasHmpf.09:31
_Simesebas: nope, so you are SOL. :-)09:33
_Simesebas: there will most likely be a 0.8.1 soon.09:33
sebasOk :-)09:34
Tonio_Lure: will upload toonight, thanks09:35
LureTonio_: thanks09:36
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gnomefreaknixternal: you around?10:40
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yuriy_Sime: i thought it was up a while ago?11:06
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_Simeyuriy: that was 0.7.111:07
_Simethis is 0.8.11:07
yuriyis .8 going into feisty?11:07
_Simeyep, it is more or less what is already in feisty.11:10
Tm_Thmm, I might get in to aKademy <311:11
Tm_Tjust should find out what staying a week there might cost11:11
guaquawhere is it again?11:13
Tm_TGlasgow11:13
guaquamm...beer11:13
poningrubeer?11:14
poningruwhere?11:14
guaquaglasgow11:14
poningruoh :(11:14
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poningrummmm salty dogs11:14
guaqua:<11:14
=== Tm_T just came from 1 or 3 Guinness
guaquai'd have to take a cab to get into a pub11:14
guaqua1 or 311:15
guaqua:D11:15
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Tm_Twell, 20 km here11:16
guaquaponingru: where in the states is that?11:16
poningrugainesville FL11:16
guaquaright coast11:16
poningruyep11:16
poningruwell not really11:16
guaquagoing to the left coast in august11:16
poningruits like 100 km from the coast11:16
poningruguaqua: ah cool11:17
guaquathat's okay, nobody's perfect11:17
poningrufor?11:17
Tm_Tguaqua: I'm not?!11:17
guaquasee old friends, make new ones11:17
poningruguaqua: no conference?11:17
guaquai spend a year in olympia, wa as an exchange student when i was in high school11:17
guaquaspent that is11:17
Tm_Tand "was" ;)11:17
Tm_Tor, were ?11:18
guaquaeither way, Tm_T11:18
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guaquawere if you wanna go all grammatical11:18
Tm_TI noticed today again that I suck when I need to _speak_ english11:18
Tm_TI'm ok when it's about reading or writing, but speaking? oh noes...11:18
gnomefreakso do i and its my first language :(11:19
Tm_T:-P11:19
guaquaTm_T: it's all about those 1 or 3 guinnes11:19
guaquaafter three you are probably just fine11:19
Tm_Tguaqua: good to know11:19
Tm_Tthough I doubt, I sniff and slurp one pint over an hour ;)11:20
Tm_Tso no worry about getting drunk11:21
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Tm_Tany british here?12:02
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Tm_T(:12:07
Tm_Tapokryphos: thanks, I will bother you if needed12:07
apokryphosa lot more of them in #ubuntu-uk12:07
Tm_T(:12:08

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