[12:55] <Tonio_> RockMan: bluez-utils uploaded, thanks again for the patch
[12:55] <RockMan> Tonio_: np, thank you about maintaining it
[12:55] <Tonio_> :)
[12:56] <Tonio_> let's write that english motibation letter......
[12:56] <Tonio_> I can't fail at tomorrow's interview....
[12:56] <Tonio_> need that job!
[12:58] <RockMan> good luck then :P
[02:02] <besonen_mobile2> kubuntu ignores leading underscores when viewing alphabetically sorted directory listings.  is this a k/ubuntu'ism?  how can i change this?
[02:03] <besonen_mobile2> i'm using 7.04
[02:07] <Tm_T> oh crap
[02:13] <Riddell> besonen_mobile2: no, shouldn't be
[02:13] <Tm_T> sorry 'bout that
[02:14] <besonen_mobile2> Riddell:  can you verify with one of your boxes?
[02:24] <LongPointyStick> http://shinyblue.net/safelyRemove/
[02:24] <LongPointyStick> neat!
[02:28] <claydoh> neat but I can't get the scripts :(
[02:29] <LongPointyStick> same here
[02:29] <LongPointyStick> although i'm on a windows machine
[02:31] <claydoh> http://shinyblue.net/fdl/
[02:32] <claydoh> we just got new windows POS software at the restaurant, an we now have msoffice :(
[02:32] <claydoh> just as I got everyone using OOo
[02:33] <besonen_mobile2> claydoh:  surreptitious sabotage
[02:33] <besonen_mobile2> then swoop in with a foss solution
[02:34] <claydoh> well, all my docs are NOT in any ms format, so for my 2 spreadsheets and text files it still opens OOo
[02:34] <claydoh> but I may have to convert the sheets as now all 16 stores have the same software... :(
[02:35] <claydoh> couldn't get the district mgr to understand OOo in terms of usability, etc and that its not 'freeware'
[02:36] <claydoh> Hmmmmm
[02:37] <LongPointyStick> heh
[02:40] <LongPointyStick> Tonio_: i can help wiht english-based stuff, if i'm here
[02:42] <Tonio_> LongPointyStick: ready to read my resume then ?
[02:43] <Tonio_> LongPointyStick: accepting dcc ?
[02:43] <Tonio_> LongPointyStick: email should be gone tomorrow 8 am..... not much time to get something perfect ;)
[02:46] <Tonio_> LongPointyStick: :(
[02:46] <Tonio_> jjesse: any moment to review my resume in english ?
[02:46] <jjesse> sure
[02:46] <Tonio_> I need to email it tomorrow 8 am...
[02:46] <jjesse> jjesse@iserv.net
[02:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: for one thing, it's called a CV
[02:47] <jjesse> is that curriculum vitale? or however that's spelled?
[02:47] <Tm_T> Vitae
[02:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ? I always heard "rsum"
[02:47] <jjesse> it depends on where you are from
[02:47] <Tonio_> at least that's the way the american guys I worked with called it....
[02:48] <Tonio_> so CV for the UK and resume for the US ?
[02:48] <Tm_T> even we finnish people talk about CV
[02:48] <jjesse> US is resume i know that
[02:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're ill, should go to bed ! ^_^
[02:48] <Tm_T> hmm hmm
[02:49] <Tm_T> anyone like to buy me a flights to aKademy ?
[02:49] <Tonio_> jjesse: I'm unsure about the way I described a few things.... that's pretty complicated in fact
[02:49] <Tonio_> hard to do it in french sometimes, so in english........
[02:49] <Tonio_> same problem with the motivation letter.....
[02:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: too ill to sleep
[02:49] <jjesse> Tonio_: don't worry i'll look at it and my wife edits resumes as well, so we can help you out :)
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the worst case :(
[02:50] <Tonio_> jjesse: 3 am here in france, and I have to wake up at 7 to send the email, FYI ;)
[02:50] <jjesse> Tonio_: ok
[02:50] <Tm_T> Tonio_: 0350 here and should wake up before 8
[02:51] <Tonio_> I'd like to sleep at least 2 hours since I have a phone interview in english with the europe IT manager...
[02:51] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hard isn't it ? ;)
[02:51] <jjesse> Tonio_: ok, did you send it ?
[02:51] <Tonio_> jjesse: yes
[02:51] <Tm_T> Tonio_: sleeping? yes it is
[02:51] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hehe
[02:51] <Tm_T> prolly fall asleep 0750
[02:51] <Tm_T> as usual
[02:52] <jjesse> Tonio_: i still haven't received it
[02:53] <Tm_T> will see shrink (?) and do training contract tomorrow, err, I mean today
[02:55] <jjesse> Tonio_: checked my spam filter as well and its not there
[02:55] <Tonio_> jjesse: better solution just a second
[02:55] <jjesse> Tonio_: ok
[02:56] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/Anthony %20Mercatante%20(CV-EN).pdf
[02:56] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/Anthony%20Mercatante%20(CV-EN).pdf
[02:57] <Tonio_> I'm unsure of the use of "domains" at the beginning
[02:57] <jjesse> ok reading it right now
[02:57] <Riddell> check capitalisation of vmware
[02:57] <Riddell> also every book I've read says CVs should be 2 pages long
[02:58] <jjesse> agreed
[02:58] <Riddell> DosScript?
[02:59] <Tonio_> hum, that can be different depending the countries
[02:59] <jjesse> definietly need to remove mcdonalds
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: 10 pages CV is acceptable in france
[02:59] <jjesse> not relevant
[02:59] <Tonio_> jjesse: agree on that point
[02:59] <Riddell> "Protocols" section lacks capitalisation
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes dosscript exists hehe ;) I've done pretty big things with it
[02:59] <Riddell> "Detailed capabilities" not in title case
[03:00] <Riddell> what is a system engineer?
[03:00] <jjesse> is there a reason that you includ protocols?
[03:00] <Riddell> "System administrator" lacks capital
[03:00] <Tonio_> jjesse: not any, but that's recommended (in france....)
[03:01] <Riddell> jjesse: maybe he's a keen user of netcat :)
[03:01] <jjesse> Tonio_: ok, you are applying for a job in france correct?
[03:01] <Riddell> I'd include servers rather than protocols
[03:01] <Tonio_> jjesse: true
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: sounds better you're right
[03:01] <Riddell> what's GPOs?
[03:02] <Tonio_> group policy object, in active directory
[03:02] <Tonio_> ldap concept
[03:02] <Riddell> no space before colons
[03:02] <jjesse> Tonio_: the one part that is hard to read is the whole "elaboration...."
[03:02] <Riddell> "american" people deserve a capital
[03:03] <jjesse> Tonio_: what is computer parck management?
[03:03] <Tonio_> park
[03:03] <jjesse> yeah park
[03:04] <Tonio_> hum, jjesse know what is OCS inventory ?
[03:04] <Tonio_> or parkline ?
[03:04] <jjesse> i've heard the term berfore
[03:04] <Riddell> Employe is spelt wrong (but remove that section as said)
[03:04] <Tonio_> those are tools to manage your "park" I'm unsure or the term
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup removed
[03:04] <Riddell> McDonald's is also spelt wrong
[03:04] <jjesse> but he is removing that
[03:05] <Riddell> what's Sharkology?
[03:05] <Tonio_> recommended to keep that in france (shows your skills at working a lot hehe)
[03:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: science of sharks
[03:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: if I wasn't an informatician, I'd be a shark expert ;)
[03:05] <Tonio_> that my big passion in life
[03:05] <Riddell> nothing about it in wikipaedia
[03:06] <Tonio_> http://www.sharkology.com/
[03:06] <Riddell> I'd recommend against making up words except that this is a US company and they do that a lot
[03:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: needs to be created
[03:06] <jjesse> have we got it down to 2 pages yet?
[03:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a real word, but very specific, so pretty unknown
[03:06] <Riddell> the whole thing looks like it has too much spacing in it
[03:06] <Tonio_> jjesse: no but that's not a problem
[03:07] <Riddell> also it has no prose in it
[03:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup, that's a cv, not a motivation letter
[03:07] <jjesse> in a CV do you include an objective portion of it?
[03:07] <jjesse> i know when i wrote my last resume i incldued an objective
[03:07] <Tonio_> jjesse: nope, but as I say expectations are different depending the country....
[03:08] <Riddell> a paragraph or two saying who you are, how hard you work and what a lot of experience you have is a good idea
[03:08] <Riddell> yes, objectives are a US thing in general
[03:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the purpose of the motivation letter
[03:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[03:10] <jjesse> that's the best part of working a group like this, i'm always learning something
[03:10] <Tonio_> appart from the capitals issue etc.... is that correct ?
[03:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: references?
[03:10] <jjesse> or are those included on the motiviation letter?
[03:11] <Riddell> could be, so long as they're somewhere
[03:11] <jjesse> agreed they need to be
[03:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: what do you mean by "references" ?
[03:11] <Riddell> "motivation letter" sounds like a suspiciously US thing too.  Covering letter in normal language
[03:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[03:11] <jjesse> i've never heard of a motivation letter i thought it was a european thing
[03:12] <jjesse> in america we call them cover letters
[03:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: people to contact to say what a good worker you are and how hard you work for your 35 hours
[03:12] <Riddell> maybe it's just the french who need motivation :)
[03:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: haha :) I never worked less than 50 hours a week
[03:12] <Tonio_> sometimes 60, 70...
[03:12] <Riddell> 50 hours!  they should have laws against that sort of thing
[03:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a legen, a very few people are really working 35 hours
[03:13] <Tonio_> mostly governement employees
[03:13] <jjesse> grin i'm a consultant now so i don't work more hours then people will pay me to work
[03:13] <Riddell> ah, Chirac's boys :)
[03:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup ;)
[03:13] <jjesse> Tonio_: ok i have to go pick up the dog, i think it looks good w/ the capitalization changes and make sure spellings are correctly
[03:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: the 35 hours problem is that only the people who previously worked only 39 now work 35..... nonsense
[03:14] <jjesse> Tonio_: don't know for sure because i'm not used to CVs
[03:14] <Tonio_> jjesse: is "expertise domains" correct ?
[03:14] <Tonio_> I'm unsure about this
[03:14] <Riddell> E-mail has a capital
[03:14] <jjesse> hmm thinking
[03:14] <jjesse> what do you want expertise domains to mean?  things you are an expert in?
[03:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah capitals is a illness for me.... french generally don't capitalize anything ;)
[03:15] <Tonio_> things I am expert in
[03:15] <jjesse> thinking....
[03:16] <jjesse> wife and i think that proficient in: instaed of expertise domains
[03:16] <jjesse> and group them all together
[03:16] <nixternal> hallo
[03:16] <Tonio_> yeah, but "proficient in" as a title is a bit strange no ?
[03:16] <jjesse> hiya nixternal we are proofing Tonio_'s CV
[03:17] <nixternal> woohoo
[03:17] <jjesse> a bit, but both of us can understand it better
[03:17] <Tonio_> nixternal: need an english one, which scares me a bit ;)
[03:17] <nixternal> I am doing my C++ homework, and reading from a file into arrays, and then ignoring is killing me :)
[03:17] <Tonio_> jjesse: the guy reading the CV is german :)
[03:17] <Tonio_> jjesse: so maybe expertise domains is okay
[03:17] <jjesse> nixternal: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/Anthony%20Mercatante%20(CV-EN).pdf
[03:17] <Tonio_> that didn't shock riddell btw
[03:18] <jjesse> Tonio_: ok
[03:18] <Riddell> my CV just uses "Computer Skills"
[03:18] <Riddell> your phrase sounds overly corporate, but maybe that's not a bad thing
[03:18] <jjesse> ok time to go get the dog
[03:18] <jjesse> be back in a bit
[03:18] <jjesse> i hope i was helpful
[03:19] <Tonio_> nite Riddell, and thanks for the help
[03:20] <nixternal> hehe, 1995-2000 Mickey D's
[03:20] <nixternal> or is that something different
[03:20] <Tonio_> nixternal: yeah when I was a student..... hard moments ;)
[03:20] <Tonio_> but I met my girlfriend there, so it's okay :)
[03:21] <nixternal> I got fired from there in 1989 because I wouldn't mop or sweep up a mess the boss made
[03:21] <nixternal> I didn't even work 1 day
[03:21] <Tonio_> nixternal: ouch that's hard !
[03:21] <nixternal> hehe
[03:21] <Tonio_> nixternal: I insulted everyone there 20 times at least, when under pressure never got fired :)
[03:22] <nixternal> haha
[03:22] <Tonio_> even the boss
[03:22] <Tonio_> he just went here at a hard moment and started pissing off everyone
[03:22] <Tonio_> I just said him something like "now, shut the f*ck up, and move your ass over there !"
[03:23] <Tonio_> never got fired ;) French labour laws are nice sometimes :)
[03:23] <nixternal> lol
[03:23] <Tonio_> but the boss was a pretty nice guy too I must say
[03:23] <Tonio_> he considered that was due to stress and that's it
[03:24] <nixternal> I have never been so lucky
[03:24] <Tonio_> nixternal: any suggestion to improve the cv ?
[03:25] <nixternal> get "Protocols" to post ont he first page if possible, leaving hte 2nd for your Professional Experience
[03:25] <nixternal> see, I know in the US, you don't want to have more than 2 pages unless you are an executive, but I don't know how it is there
[03:26] <nixternal> I don't even know if I have an old CV/Resume lying around
[03:26] <Tonio_> nixternal: protocols has been changed to "servers" section
[03:26] <Tonio_> detailing the apps in use depending the protocol (http -> apache1/2, lighttpd IIS) etc...
[03:27] <Tonio_> nixternal: the targeted job is executive :)
[03:27] <Tonio_> nixternal: IT manager for amazon france
[03:27] <nixternal> nice
[03:27] <Tonio_> nixternal: could be ;)
[03:28] <Tonio_> in france, people generally tell not to go over 2 pages too, but I never had any problems using 3 pages
[03:28] <Tonio_> a friend of mine has a 10 pages CV, no pb too :)
[03:28] <Tonio_> jjesse: smtp;553 5.3.0 Rejected by Iserv RBL - 84.96.92.61
[03:29] <Tonio_> jjesse: you'll never get the mail.....
[03:29] <Tonio_> jjesse: which rbl list is that ?
[03:29] <Tm_T> I have never done real CV and that would be hard to do
[03:29] <nixternal> I need to work on mine
[03:29] <nixternal> it is sad, my last one was done when I worked for the evil empire
[03:30] <Tonio_> nixternal: microsoft ?
[03:30] <nixternal> yup
[03:30] <Tonio_> nixternal: I refused to work for them twice
[03:30] <nixternal> Sun Solaris admin of all things
[03:30] <Tonio_> first time was to be VIP tech support (could have meet bill....)
[03:30] <Tonio_> second time was last year, refused to go there as a contractor
[03:31] <nixternal> I actually liked working there, and the money was great
[03:31] <nixternal> vorian: you lost?
[03:31] <nixternal> ;p
[03:32] <vorian> nixternal, that hurt my feelings :(
[03:32] <nixternal> hahah vorian
[03:32] <vorian> ah!
[03:32] <nixternal> you have been had
[03:32] <vorian> I'm broadening my horizons nixternal :)
[03:32] <nixternal> them GNOME people are coming in trying to get the secrets!
[03:33] <vorian> I'm testing kubuntu ISO's actually :)
[03:33] <nixternal> while(de == gnome){ /ignore $*;}
[03:34] <nixternal> here is one for you
[03:34] <vorian> lol
[03:34] <nixternal> I have recently noticed that Samba does not work for me anymore
[03:34] <vorian> thanks
[03:34] <Tonio_> nixternal: there is no reason that working for MS would be worse than with another company
[03:35] <nixternal> I worked for the US evil empire as well, AT&T. Now that job stunk, and was controlled by the mafia
[03:35] <Tonio_> ouch........
[03:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: no ibm in the past too ?
[03:35] <nixternal> a bunch of evil empires
[03:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: you should anticipate this time, go google ;)
[03:35] <nixternal> Tonio_: funny you should ask, I worked in their data center with one of their partners
[03:36] <nixternal> and they had the nerve to fire me because I wanted to take a week off and visit with my daughter
[03:36] <Tonio_> nixternal: who never worked for ibm ? :)
[03:36] <Tonio_> I did too but that's not on the cv
[03:36] <Tonio_> too short to be documented...
[03:36] <Tonio_> 3 times 3 weeks, for short consulting things
[03:36] <nixternal> I didn't work directly for IBM, but I got to enjoy their massive datacenter
[03:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: can be impressive indeed :)
[03:37] <nixternal> their datacenter was awesome
[03:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: biggest one I saw was in paris
[03:37] <Tonio_> 10k servers
[03:37] <nixternal> biggest one I saw was Walmarts
[03:37] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[03:37] <Tonio_> how many ?
[03:38] <Tonio_> 10k 1U servers :) no big machines
[03:38] <Tm_T> oh man, ksysguard in KDE is lovely <3
[03:38] <Tonio_> but that's pretty impressive too :)
[03:38] <nixternal> server amount I don't know, but it is 95% underground
[03:38] <nixternal> the US government has even asked to use their facility
[03:38] <nixternal> it is on wikipedia
[03:38] <Tonio_> nixternal: same in my case :)
[03:38] <Tonio_> nixternal: I'd love to see the google one
[03:38] <Tonio_> probably the biggest on earth
[03:39] <nixternal> Tonio_: you have to work for Google to see that one
[03:39] <Tonio_> nixternal: very few people at google even know where it is
[03:39] <Hobbsee> heya nixternal, Tonio_
[03:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: :)
[03:39] <nixternal> I interviewed in Mountain View last year, and the tour of the entire facility, never took us anywhere near the data center
[03:39] <nixternal> the Google data center in Chicago is nice
[03:39] <Tonio_> nixternal: as I said, most google employees dont know where is the datacenter in fact
[03:40] <Tonio_> I'm pretty sure it isn't in mountain view
[03:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did you get that english thing sorted out?
[03:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: cv done, now writting the covering letter
[03:40] <Tonio_> which is easiest since I can find prototypes on the net :)
[03:41] <Tonio_> easier
[03:41] <nixternal> bbiaf, I need to get my C++ homework done, unless of course one of you want to finish it for me ;p
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: neat :)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'll proofread it if you want, that's no problem
[03:41] <Hobbsee> (and you can give me ideas)
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: email please
[03:43] <Hobbsee> sorry, i descreened just before you spoke
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: employee has two e's
[03:46] <Hobbsee> well, 3
[03:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: already removed that from the cv anyway ;)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the problem is that my french covering letter is untranslatable :)
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahhh
[03:56] <Tonio_> french has so many specific adjective that it is pretty impossible to translate it....
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cant help you with that, then
[03:56] <Tonio_> I have to write it in the english way
[03:56] <Hobbsee> i thought it had to be in english?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it has to
[03:56] <Tonio_> well they have the french one and need the english one :)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:56] <Tonio_> but they can't be the same, looking at english examples, it is way different than french
[03:57] <Tonio_> half of what I put in my letter is something nobody will never say except in a covering letter context
[03:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we are learning how to write covering letter at university for 6 month :) can you imagin that mess ?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: still there is 30 mintues ? just time to finish the letter
[04:06] <Hobbsee> should be
[04:06] <Hobbsee> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/coles-took-the-buy-out-of-bilo/2007/03/27/1174761467240.html
[04:06] <Hobbsee> heh, no shit.  you could have come and asked *any* casheir, any time in the past 12 months or so, and they would ahve told you that
[04:07] <Hobbsee> even before you started changing stores
[04:09] <Jucato> moin!
[04:10] <Tm_T> moinmoin
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[04:11] <Tm_T> hmm, anyone has suggestion how to get news (rss) shown in desktop easily?
[04:11] <Jucato> superkaramba?
[04:11] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[04:11] <Tm_T> hmm, forget that
[04:12] <Tm_T> Jucato: I rather not use SK (:
[04:12] <Tm_T> just realised anyway that it's not what I need
[04:12] <Jucato> knewsticker (on kicker)?
[04:13] <Tm_T> nope, looks like it's easiest just to put my google homepage to new order
[04:14] <Jucato> :)
[04:14] <Jucato> or wait for Plasma in 2010 :D
[04:14] <Tm_T> and IF I like to have any news shown in desktop, I use conky or similar
[04:14] <Jucato> ok...
[04:15] <Jucato> looks like I'll be extending into the afternoon... again...
[04:15] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12452/  <-- help me fix that Current column :)
[04:15] <nixternal> Mez: !@!
[04:15] <nixternal> you dj'n tonight?
[04:15] <Jucato> aw shucks... today? :(
[04:16] <nixternal> that current column is killing me
[04:16] <nixternal> and the fix is easy, I know it is with a silly inFile.ignore(#, ' ')
[04:17] <Mez> nixternal, tomorrow
[04:17] <nixternal> ahh, my early night
[04:18] <nixternal> me either ;)
[04:18] <Jucato> hehe
[04:26] <Mez> nixternal, but tune in, you'll like this DJ :d
[04:36] <zakame> hi all!
[04:37] <Hobbsee> hey zakame!
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato:  how'd the studying go?
[04:37] <zakame> hi Hobbsee! :D
[04:37] <zakame> ssup?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> zakame: you're going to fix bugs today.
[04:38] <Jucato> Hobbsee: C++? currently doing chapter 3 exercises :D
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: woo :)
[04:38] <Jucato> if you mean MOTU stuff, I only tackle that at night :P
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: imeant the packaging :P
[04:38] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:38] <Jucato> mornings == C++ (and some other stuff); nights == MOTU
[04:39] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[04:39] <n8k99> but it's night time Jucato ;-)
[04:39] <Jucato> n8k99: in your world maybe :P
[04:39] <Jucato> er... "part of the world"
[04:39] <n8k99> you were correct sir, it is my world!!!!!!
[04:40] <n8k99> BAW-ahahahahahahaha
[04:40] <Hobbsee> n8k99: IT'S MY WORLD, AND I RULE IT WITH THE LONG POINTY STICK OF DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/79
[04:40] <Tonio_> not perfect, but for a french writing english, I think that's okay :)
[04:41] <Jucato> ooh Tonio_ is still here? must be a long night :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:41] <Tonio_> Jucato: nightmare :/
[04:41] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'd LOVE to bed now
[04:41] <Jucato> ouch...
[04:41] <Tonio_> have to wake up at 7h30.... it is currently 4h40
[04:41] <n8k99> ew
[04:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: just tell me that's okay so that I can move to bed ;)
[04:42] <Jucato> uh oh... better just take a short 30-min nap then... otherwise if you sleep longer, you're gonna be in a worse state...
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'd forgotten about the way different languages structure their sentences
[04:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you mean ?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: some of the sentences sound odd in english
[04:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm so used to do that in french that is is very hard to consider another language, especially when french except a very high level language.....
[04:44] <Hobbsee> like, phrased weirdly
[04:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: example ?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, of course
[04:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: if you have suggestions/corrections, please tell me :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Your advertisement for the above position has interested me very much and I would like to apply. --> more like, "i'm interested in your adver... for the above position, and would like to apply"
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Newly relocated to Orlans, this one retained my attention, as corresponding to my profile and experience. particularly
[04:45] <Hobbsee> most of it is gramatically correct - just not how english is mostly used
[04:46] <Hobbsee> s/gave me/has given me/
[04:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay so how would you rewrite this ?
[04:48] <Tonio_> that's indeed typically the way to write french in fact :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, wouldnt surprise me
[04:49] <n8k99> wardsback
[04:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: my english isn't that good.... after 12 years practicing, it should be much better...
[04:50] <n8k99> but ony subtlely
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: extra professional?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> isnt that voluntary?
[04:51] <jetsaredim> Riddell:
[04:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's part of extra-professional no ?
[04:51] <jetsaredim> I used that kde upgrade assistant utility listed on the kubuntu page
[04:52] <Hobbsee> jetsaredim: he's asleep
[04:52] <jetsaredim> doh
[04:52] <Tonio_> I can put voluntary, no problem ;)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i used tha tlater, yeah :P
[04:53] <Hobbsee> oh wait, taht does work.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ish
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: done
[04:55] <Hobbsee> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/80
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: usually in english, people will work along the lines of: i'm suitable for foo, because of bar, bling, bling, more bar, etc
[04:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: thanks a lot :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> instead of "Bar, bling, bling, and more bar make me suitable for foo"
[04:56] <Tonio_> stopping there and going to bed right now :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> you can do it once or so, as a quirk - but it gets annoying doing it repeatedly
[04:57] <Hobbsee> because then you're reading all this stuff, and going "so what relevance does this have?", until you get to the end of the sentence
[04:57] <Hobbsee> hehe, sounds good to me :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> at least, that's what they taught us at school :P
[05:03] <Jucato> bye Hobbsee
[05:03] <Jucato> bah :P
[05:57] <nixternal> crimsun: where are you hiding?
[08:57] <billytwowilly> hey, you guys reintroduced a bug into kaffeine/xine. Any file with a # sign (and probably other weird signs) in its title will not play.
[09:02] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee
[09:02] <Jucato> billytwowilly: I can reproduce that bug. mplayer plays ok
[09:03] <Jucato> with kmplayer and kplayer
[09:03] <kwwii> moin Hobbsee, Jucato
[09:03] <billytwowilly> yah, but it's not the same as kaffeine.
[09:03] <Jucato> kwwii!!! :)
[09:03] <billytwowilly> and it's silly because it was fixed in edgy.
[09:04] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato!
[09:04] <Hobbsee> hiya kwwii
[09:04] <Hobbsee> right.  hair is now a reasonable lenght.
[09:04] <kwwii> Hobbsee: if you've any extra hair you can give it to me
[09:04] <Jucato> kwwii: btw... Sho_ (konvi guy) said that the usplash breaks kvm
[09:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: nooooo!!! you cut it? O.o
[09:04] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i'm afraid the hairdresser has it.
[09:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yup
[09:05] <Jucato> nooooo!!!!
[09:05] <kwwii> Jucato: hrm? what is kvm?
[09:05] <Hobbsee> why nooooo?
[09:05] <Jucato> :D
[09:05] <Jucato> nothing heheh.. just didn't know how to react lol
[09:05] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:05] <Jucato> kwwii: virtualization stuff built into the linux kernel
[09:05] <kwwii> ahhhhh, well, good thing that is not my problem
[09:05] <kwwii> ;-)
[09:06] <Jucato> heheh :)
[09:06] <kwwii> he/she should file a bug
[09:06] <ajmitch> Hobbsee! you got hair cut?!?
[09:06] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes!
[09:06] <Jucato> Hobbsee: see? I'm not the only one who's shocked :P
[09:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:07] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: just how short is it?
[09:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: um, a lot shorter
[09:08] <Hobbsee> it's still off my shoulders
[09:08] <Jucato> aaaaah :)
[09:08] <ajmitch> scary
[09:20] <_StefanS_> mornings
[09:21] <Hobbsee> hiya _StefanS_!
[09:21] <_StefanS_> hobhobs
[09:21] <Jucato> moin _StefanS_
[09:21] <_StefanS_> JucatoHhh
[09:21] <Jucato> oh btw guys, anyone confirming billytwowilly's bug on kaffeine/xine? (I think more on xine though)
[09:22] <_StefanS_> what bug?
[09:22] <Jucato>  <billytwowilly> hey, you guys reintroduced a bug into kaffeine/xine. Any file with a # sign (and probably other weird signs) in its title will not play.
[09:22] <_StefanS_> well thats correct
[09:23] <_StefanS_> but that must be a thing introduced by kaffeine crew (or xine) them selves
[09:23] <Jucato> I think more on xine, because it won't play on kmplayer using xine as backend
[09:23] <_StefanS_> oka trying kmplayer..
[09:24] <Lure> kwwii: do you still plan to reduce saturation of scrollbars?
[09:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: kmplayer doesn't do it either it seems
[09:24] <kwwii> Lure: I changed that already
[09:25] <kwwii> Lure: and if the changes are not in yet there is a serious problem
[09:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: its xine alright
[09:26] <Jucato> billytwowilly: ^^^
[09:26] <Jucato> now I wonder if it's just us or upstream too :/
[09:26] <Jucato> but if it's xine, must be MOTU territory...
[09:27] <Lure> kwwii: does not look to me: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/Scrollbars.png
[09:28] <Lure> kwwii: or is this it?
[09:28] <kwwii> Lure: no, that is not it
[09:29] <kwwii> I added a colorscheme file weeks ago
[09:29] <kwwii> freaky
[09:29] <Lure> kwwii: btw, is it still possible to build kde3 oxygen theme now that oxygen icon names were renamed?
[09:30] <kwwii> Lure: it will not work, no
[09:30] <kwwii> you would have to either patch kde3 to use the new names or rename them all
[09:30] <Lure> kwwii: :-(
[09:31] <Lure> kwwii: or have symlink package ;-)
[09:31] <kwwii> Lure: yeah, exactly
[09:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: must be upstream on xine.
[09:35] <kwwii> Lure: I'll ping Riddell about the colors again
[09:35] <kwwii> and again
[11:26] <_StefanS_> haha I just installed solaris 10... what a piece of junk :D
[11:32] <mhb> good morning
[11:36] <_StefanS_> mornings mhb
[01:18] <Riddell> kwwii_: you pinged?
[01:18] <kwwii_> Riddell: well, we need to make sure that the color scheme changes get included eventually
[01:19] <Riddell> kwwii_: I uploaded k-d-s with your changed during the beta freeze
[01:19] <Riddell> changes
[01:20] <kwwii_> hrm, Lure was asking about when it would be included as his is still the old version
[01:23] <Riddell> kwwii_: well apt-get source kubuntu-default-settings and see if it's what you need
[01:26] <Riddell> _Sime_: no 0.8 yet?
[01:28] <Riddell> Lure: k3b approved, please add and test those patche you were talking about and poke Tonio_ or someone to upload (I'm ill)
[01:28] <Jucato> woot! :)
[01:28] <Lure> Riddell: great! will do tonight
[01:28] <Lure> Riddell: and get well!
[01:28] <Jucato> aw... still sick? Riddell, hope you get well soon!
[01:29] <Lure> Riddell: do we need to refernce UVF approal (mail/bug or something) in change log?
[01:33] <kwwii_> Riddell: it does seem to include the changes already
[01:33] <kwwii_> Lure: dude, update your system!
[01:33] <Lure> kwwii_: really? maybe I have some junk in my profile...
[01:34] <Lure> kwwii_: which config file controls this? polyesterrc?
[01:34] <kwwii_> Lure: the colourscheme file
[01:34] <kwwii_> so in appearance-->colors
[01:34] <kwwii_> the name of the "theme" is kuseven
[01:35] <Lure> kwwii_: it works.
[01:35] <Jucato> :)
[01:35] <kwwii_> :-)
[01:35] <Lure> kwwii_: interesting - I have never changed color defaults here (at least I do not recall) :-)
[01:35] <kwwii> Riddell: sorry for bothering you when you aren't feeling well
[01:36] <Lure> kwwii: but this profile is dragging now from hoary times ;-)
[01:36] <Lure> Riddell: sorry from me too
[01:36] <Jucato> :O
[01:36] <Lure> kwwii: and sorry to bother you...
[01:36] <kwwii> Lure: well, if we still need to change it we can
[01:36] <kwwii> :-)
[01:37] <Lure> kwwii: I think it is much better (doesn't pop-up much any more), but I have to use it for some time to feel the difference
[01:38] <Lure> kwwii: btw, the boot splash is soo nice, that I enjoy booting my machine ;-)
[01:38] <kwwii> lol, cool!
[01:39] <hunger> Why does an upgrade want to deinstall qt4.2 now?
[01:39] <Jucato> can we just have a video of the bootsplash :)
[01:42] <Jucato> hm... no such update here.... :/
[01:45] <hunger> Jucato: It is speedcrunch that wants qt3support which does not seem to be up to date with the other Qt stuff.
[01:45] <Jucato> I thought it used qt4 since edgy?
[01:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll upload k3b
[01:57] <Tonio_> Lure: no change outside of the revu version ?
[01:59] <Tonio_> Lure: hum patches need testing, okay
[02:00] <Tonio_> Lure: let me know I'll be there to upload, no problem
[02:00] <Tonio_> Lure: if any help is required to test, I can help
[02:24] <giangy> Tonio_: \o/ for k3b =)
[02:24] <Tonio_> giangy: yeah great nes ;)
[02:25] <giangy> well today I've installed kubuntu on ~50 boxes in my school
[02:25] <giangy> better than nothing :)
[02:28] <Tonio_> giangy: hehe great ;)
[02:42] <waylandbill> is there a problem in the feisty synaptics stuff? disabling the touch pad has no effect.
[02:50] <Tonio_> waylandbill: the "mouse" driver also handles touchpads, that might be the cause
[02:50] <Tonio_> waylandbill: depends which driver is loaded in the first place
[02:50] <waylandbill> Tonio_: ok. I'll look into that.
[02:58] <manchicken__> Does anybody know what's causing the trouble with console-setup breaking?
[03:00] <manchicken> Or is it just broken for me?
[03:00] <manchicken> I'm willing to take a peeky-peek at it today.
[03:13] <Tonio_> manchicken: bah old package version
[03:13] <Tonio_> manchicken: purge the package and reinstall
[03:13] <Tonio_> manchicken: will work
[03:18] <manchicken> Lots of stuff depends on that.  How would you recommend I do that?
[03:20] <manchicken> digiKam takes a long time to scan 9GB of photos for duplicates.
[03:20] <manchicken> :)
[03:38] <mhb> dist-upgrade reports strange messages
[03:38] <mhb> (dist-upgrade tool)
[03:39] <mhb> it complains about space at /boot, which is silly, as I have more than 1.2GB free in root directory
[03:39] <nixternal> morning
[03:39] <mhb> morning nixternal
[03:40] <Jucato> moin to all you wonderful people :)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato
[03:41] <Jucato> oh yeah, Hobbsee included :D
[03:41] <mhb> is there any place for bugreports of the dist-upgrade tool
[03:41] <Jucato> hehe hi Hobbsee :)
[03:41] <Jucato> mhb: I believe the wiki links to a bug in LP
[03:42] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:42] <Jucato> bug 84717
[03:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84717
[03:43] <mhb> thanks
[03:46] <Jucato> nixternal or Hobbsee: the PDF Packaging Guide is up to date? (don't know if the HTML version is more updated or what...)
[03:46] <nixternal> Jucato: don't know, that is LaserJock's baby
[03:47] <Hobbsee> no diea
[03:47] <Hobbsee> didnt know there was a pdf one
[03:47] <nixternal> I know he did updates recently to it, but I don't know if he created an updated PDF
[03:47] <Jucato> ok... I just read that as "LaserJock baby" :D
[03:47] <nixternal> hehe, and it is :)
[03:48] <mhb> Riddell: seems more people experience problems with the free space checking (and I'm one of them - commented on the 84717 bug) ... maybe worthy of your todo list, once you get better of course :o)
[03:48] <Jucato> aw shucks.... he's Laser away... :(
[04:04] <Riddell> mhb: it's mvo's issue really
[04:14] <manchicken> I don't think there is one, but does anybody know of a win32 port of digiKam?
[04:14] <manchicken> I'm guessing that it would be extremely unlikely.
[04:15] <Riddell> there isn't one
[04:15] <manchicken> That's what I thougt.
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya
[04:21] <Jucato> hi bddebian :)
[04:21] <bddebian> Gaah :-)
[04:21] <Jucato> I'm everywhere now :)
[04:21] <bddebian> Heh, no kidding
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> Riddell is about to hate me.
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> I've got a handful of bugs I've found while tracking down my kdesktop crash. Which BTW requires dpms and amarok to be loaded (not necessarily playing).
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> oh, plus screensaver. To trigger set screensaver to 1 min, xset dpms 10 20 0 (it needs suspend to trigger it, standby alone wont work), and load amarok, let your computer sit for a min, kdesktop crash.
[04:43] <alleeHol>  manchicken: digikam: for kde4 they plan to do a native windows port (including kipi-plugins)
[04:44] <manchicken> allee: Interesting.
[04:44] <manchicken> I have no interest in a windows port myself, but a friend of mine is very interested.
[04:44] <manchicken> She's become a bit of a digital camera junkie.
[04:45] <ubuntu> hi since laaast update i cant boot, i have a problem wth kdinnit
[04:45] <ubuntu> kdeinit
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ubuntu: #ubuntu+1
[04:46] <allee> manchicken: so maaaaaaaaaayyyybeeee you have a christmas present for her
[04:46] <Hobbsee> this si not a support channel
[04:46] <manchicken> allee: Or I could just get her a live CD :)
[04:47] <manchicken> allee: A running, stable, happy computer would be a better present than a program for one that is none of those things :)
[04:47] <allee> :)
[04:48] <allee> Hi Hobbsee. Still awake ;)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> allee: for the moment, yeah :)
[04:49] <allee> :)
[04:56] <manchicken> Man, digiKam needs a better method of determining whether or not it needs to hold its cache.
[04:56] <manchicken> When you're trying to search and destroy duplicates, it holds onto the cache too much.
[05:03] <jetsaredim> if the livecd fails to come up all the way, what is the next easiest path to getting a system installer with kubuntu?
[05:03] <jetsaredim> just install the base system and then install kubuntu-desktop
[05:08] <allee> manchicken: they use KDE's thumbnail cache.  Make it bigger
[05:09] <manchicken> It's not that it's not big enough, it's that it is holding onto the cache for the images when trying to check for duplicates.
[05:37] <n8k99> the 'spyware' issues?
[05:37] <Jucato> yeah
[05:37] <Jucato> on one hand, I do understand their paranoia
[05:37] <Jucato> on the other hand, they're too paranoid
[05:38] <n8k99> exactly
[05:38] <Jucato> but since I'm not too technically knowledgeable of the whole thing, can somebody *please* put an end to it in #kubuntu? :/
[05:42] <n8k99> i think it will rest fora  while now
[05:43] <Tonio_> Jucato: interview in 20 minutes
[05:43] <Jucato> Tonio_: ooh for the job? good luck! :)
[05:43] <n8k99> good luck Tonio_
[05:43] <Jucato> and have confidence in your English. it's good 'nuff ;)
[05:49] <Tonio_> Jucato: I hope so
[05:51] <kwwii> what?
[05:52] <kwwii> ahhh, now I read it again...you saw in your mind
[05:54] <giangy> kwwii: :))
[07:24] <gandalf__> hello
[07:24] <gandalf__> I just upgraded to kubuntu 7.04 beta
[07:25] <gandalf__> And when I lauch adapt, it tells me it's locked by another process
[07:25] <gandalf__> does anybody know what's wrong ?
[07:26] <guaqua> go command line, go commando
[07:41] <gandalf__> thanks
[07:41] <gandalf__> how can I enable Beryl and the nifty special effects ?
[07:42] <guaqua> the same way you do it in edgy
[07:42] <gandalf__> and how do you do it in Edgy ?
[07:42] <guaqua> now, that's something the wiki's tell you
[07:43] <guaqua> i personally use a special .Xsession file in home dir
[07:43] <guaqua> and some specifics in xorg.conf
[07:44] <gandalf__> no gui way of doing it ?
[07:46] <guaqua> there might be
[08:05] <Lure> Tonio_: do you know why we have patch to remove splash from k3b and do not use k-d-s instead?
[08:06] <Tonio_> Lure: nope
[08:06] <Tonio_> Lure: probably because the guy who did that forgot kds
[08:06] <Tonio_> Lure: will do that in kds toonight
[08:06] <Tonio_> remove the patch ;)
[08:07] <Lure> Tonio_: will do
[09:07] <Lure> Tonio_: updated k3b package available: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4752
[09:08] <Lure> Tonio_: tested some fixes and couple of burns
[09:30] <_Sime> Riddell, sebas, yuriy: 0.8 is up on the website now.
[09:30] <sebas> _Sime_: Did you put the typo fix in?
[09:30] <sebas> (See email from 15 minutes ago)
[09:31] <sebas> Hmpf.
[09:33] <_Sime> sebas: nope, so you are SOL. :-)
[09:33] <_Sime> sebas: there will most likely be a 0.8.1 soon.
[09:34] <sebas> Ok :-)
[09:35] <Tonio_> Lure: will upload toonight, thanks
[09:36] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks
[10:40] <gnomefreak> nixternal: you around?
[11:06] <yuriy> _Sime: i thought it was up a while ago?
[11:07] <_Sime> yuriy: that was 0.7.1
[11:07] <_Sime> this is 0.8.
[11:07] <yuriy> is .8 going into feisty?
[11:10] <_Sime> yep, it is more or less what is already in feisty.
[11:11] <Tm_T> hmm, I might get in to aKademy <3
[11:11] <Tm_T> just should find out what staying a week there might cost
[11:13] <guaqua> where is it again?
[11:13] <Tm_T> Glasgow
[11:13] <guaqua> mm...beer
[11:14] <poningru> beer?
[11:14] <poningru> where?
[11:14] <guaqua> glasgow
[11:14] <poningru> oh :(
[11:14] <poningru> mmmm salty dogs
[11:14] <guaqua> :<
[11:14] <guaqua> i'd have to take a cab to get into a pub
[11:15] <guaqua> 1 or 3
[11:15] <guaqua> :D
[11:16] <Tm_T> well, 20 km here
[11:16] <guaqua> poningru: where in the states is that?
[11:16] <poningru> gainesville FL
[11:16] <guaqua> right coast
[11:16] <poningru> yep
[11:16] <poningru> well not really
[11:16] <guaqua> going to the left coast in august
[11:16] <poningru> its like 100 km from the coast
[11:17] <poningru> guaqua: ah cool
[11:17] <guaqua> that's okay, nobody's perfect
[11:17] <poningru> for?
[11:17] <Tm_T> guaqua: I'm not?!
[11:17] <guaqua> see old friends, make new ones
[11:17] <poningru> guaqua: no conference?
[11:17] <guaqua> i spend a year in olympia, wa as an exchange student when i was in high school
[11:17] <guaqua> spent that is
[11:17] <Tm_T> and "was" ;)
[11:18] <Tm_T> or, were ?
[11:18] <guaqua> either way, Tm_T
[11:18] <guaqua> were if you wanna go all grammatical
[11:18] <Tm_T> I noticed today again that I suck when I need to _speak_ english
[11:18] <Tm_T> I'm ok when it's about reading or writing, but speaking? oh noes...
[11:19] <gnomefreak> so do i and its my first language :(
[11:19] <Tm_T> :-P
[11:19] <guaqua> Tm_T: it's all about those 1 or 3 guinnes
[11:19] <guaqua> after three you are probably just fine
[11:19] <Tm_T> guaqua: good to know
[11:20] <Tm_T> though I doubt, I sniff and slurp one pint over an hour ;)
[11:21] <Tm_T> so no worry about getting drunk
[12:02] <Tm_T> any british here?
[12:07] <Tm_T> (:
[12:07] <Tm_T> apokryphos: thanks, I will bother you if needed
[12:07] <apokryphos> a lot more of them in #ubuntu-uk
[12:08] <Tm_T> (: