=== manchicken__ [n=manchick@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-230.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.242.224.230] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:55] RockMan: bluez-utils uploaded, thanks again for the patch [12:55] Tonio_: np, thank you about maintaining it [12:55] :) [12:56] let's write that english motibation letter...... [12:56] I can't fail at tomorrow's interview.... [12:56] need that job! [12:58] good luck then :P === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === guaqua_ is now known as guaqua === cotyrothery [n=ubuntu@h4.143.141.67.ip.alltel.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180110105.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === naught101 [n=naught10@dhcp-unknown-165-234.newcastle.edu.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === besonen_mobile2 [n=devon@71-221-92-72.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:02] kubuntu ignores leading underscores when viewing alphabetically sorted directory listings. is this a k/ubuntu'ism? how can i change this? [02:03] i'm using 7.04 [02:07] oh crap === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-227-150.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] besonen_mobile2: no, shouldn't be [02:13] sorry 'bout that [02:14] Riddell: can you verify with one of your boxes? === vorian__ [n=vorian@cpe-76-181-146-41.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:24] http://shinyblue.net/safelyRemove/ [02:24] neat! === LongPointyStick wishes cimmo would understand that we're *not* backporting new packages to edgy. [02:28] neat but I can't get the scripts :( === claydoh was just looking at it himself [02:29] same here [02:29] although i'm on a windows machine [02:31] http://shinyblue.net/fdl/ [02:32] we just got new windows POS software at the restaurant, an we now have msoffice :( [02:32] just as I got everyone using OOo [02:33] claydoh: surreptitious sabotage [02:33] then swoop in with a foss solution [02:34] well, all my docs are NOT in any ms format, so for my 2 spreadsheets and text files it still opens OOo [02:34] but I may have to convert the sheets as now all 16 stores have the same software... :( [02:35] couldn't get the district mgr to understand OOo in terms of usability, etc and that its not 'freeware' [02:36] Hmmmmm [02:37] heh [02:40] Tonio_: i can help wiht english-based stuff, if i'm here [02:42] LongPointyStick: ready to read my resume then ? [02:43] LongPointyStick: accepting dcc ? [02:43] LongPointyStick: email should be gone tomorrow 8 am..... not much time to get something perfect ;) === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-227-150.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:46] LongPointyStick: :( [02:46] jjesse: any moment to review my resume in english ? [02:46] sure [02:46] I need to email it tomorrow 8 am... [02:46] jjesse@iserv.net [02:46] Tonio_: for one thing, it's called a CV [02:47] is that curriculum vitale? or however that's spelled? [02:47] Vitae [02:47] Riddell: hu ? I always heard "rsum" [02:47] it depends on where you are from [02:47] at least that's the way the american guys I worked with called it.... [02:48] so CV for the UK and resume for the US ? [02:48] even we finnish people talk about CV [02:48] US is resume i know that [02:48] Riddell: you're ill, should go to bed ! ^_^ [02:48] hmm hmm [02:49] anyone like to buy me a flights to aKademy ? [02:49] jjesse: I'm unsure about the way I described a few things.... that's pretty complicated in fact [02:49] hard to do it in french sometimes, so in english........ [02:49] same problem with the motivation letter..... [02:49] Tonio_: too ill to sleep [02:49] Tonio_: don't worry i'll look at it and my wife edits resumes as well, so we can help you out :) [02:49] Riddell: that's the worst case :( [02:50] jjesse: 3 am here in france, and I have to wake up at 7 to send the email, FYI ;) [02:50] Tonio_: ok [02:50] Tonio_: 0350 here and should wake up before 8 [02:51] I'd like to sleep at least 2 hours since I have a phone interview in english with the europe IT manager... [02:51] Tm_T: hard isn't it ? ;) [02:51] Tonio_: ok, did you send it ? [02:51] jjesse: yes [02:51] Tonio_: sleeping? yes it is [02:51] Tm_T: hehe [02:51] prolly fall asleep 0750 [02:51] as usual [02:52] Tonio_: i still haven't received it [02:53] will see shrink (?) and do training contract tomorrow, err, I mean today [02:55] Tonio_: checked my spam filter as well and its not there [02:55] jjesse: better solution just a second [02:55] Tonio_: ok [02:56] http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/Anthony %20Mercatante%20(CV-EN).pdf === jack_wyt [n=jack@218.18.191.232] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:56] http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/Anthony%20Mercatante%20(CV-EN).pdf [02:57] I'm unsure of the use of "domains" at the beginning [02:57] ok reading it right now [02:57] check capitalisation of vmware [02:57] also every book I've read says CVs should be 2 pages long [02:58] agreed [02:58] DosScript? [02:59] hum, that can be different depending the countries [02:59] definietly need to remove mcdonalds [02:59] Riddell: 10 pages CV is acceptable in france [02:59] not relevant [02:59] jjesse: agree on that point [02:59] "Protocols" section lacks capitalisation [02:59] Riddell: yes dosscript exists hehe ;) I've done pretty big things with it [02:59] "Detailed capabilities" not in title case [03:00] what is a system engineer? [03:00] is there a reason that you includ protocols? [03:00] "System administrator" lacks capital [03:00] jjesse: not any, but that's recommended (in france....) [03:01] jjesse: maybe he's a keen user of netcat :) [03:01] Tonio_: ok, you are applying for a job in france correct? [03:01] I'd include servers rather than protocols [03:01] jjesse: true [03:01] Riddell: sounds better you're right === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@59.40.36.175] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:01] what's GPOs? [03:02] group policy object, in active directory [03:02] ldap concept [03:02] no space before colons [03:02] Tonio_: the one part that is hard to read is the whole "elaboration...." [03:02] "american" people deserve a capital [03:03] Tonio_: what is computer parck management? [03:03] park [03:03] yeah park [03:04] hum, jjesse know what is OCS inventory ? [03:04] or parkline ? [03:04] i've heard the term berfore [03:04] Employe is spelt wrong (but remove that section as said) [03:04] those are tools to manage your "park" I'm unsure or the term [03:04] Riddell: yup removed [03:04] McDonald's is also spelt wrong [03:04] but he is removing that [03:05] what's Sharkology? [03:05] recommended to keep that in france (shows your skills at working a lot hehe) [03:05] Riddell: science of sharks [03:05] Riddell: if I wasn't an informatician, I'd be a shark expert ;) [03:05] that my big passion in life [03:05] nothing about it in wikipaedia [03:06] http://www.sharkology.com/ [03:06] I'd recommend against making up words except that this is a US company and they do that a lot [03:06] Riddell: needs to be created [03:06] have we got it down to 2 pages yet? === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:06] Riddell: that's a real word, but very specific, so pretty unknown [03:06] the whole thing looks like it has too much spacing in it [03:06] jjesse: no but that's not a problem [03:07] also it has no prose in it [03:07] Riddell: yup, that's a cv, not a motivation letter [03:07] in a CV do you include an objective portion of it? [03:07] i know when i wrote my last resume i incldued an objective [03:07] jjesse: nope, but as I say expectations are different depending the country.... [03:08] a paragraph or two saying who you are, how hard you work and what a lot of experience you have is a good idea [03:08] yes, objectives are a US thing in general [03:08] Riddell: that's the purpose of the motivation letter [03:08] Tonio_: ok === jjesse is learning things tonigth [03:10] that's the best part of working a group like this, i'm always learning something [03:10] appart from the capitals issue etc.... is that correct ? [03:10] Tonio_: references? [03:10] or are those included on the motiviation letter? [03:11] could be, so long as they're somewhere [03:11] agreed they need to be [03:11] Riddell: what do you mean by "references" ? [03:11] "motivation letter" sounds like a suspiciously US thing too. Covering letter in normal language [03:11] Riddell: okay [03:11] i've never heard of a motivation letter i thought it was a european thing [03:12] in america we call them cover letters [03:12] Tonio_: people to contact to say what a good worker you are and how hard you work for your 35 hours [03:12] maybe it's just the french who need motivation :) [03:12] Riddell: haha :) I never worked less than 50 hours a week [03:12] sometimes 60, 70... [03:12] 50 hours! they should have laws against that sort of thing [03:12] Riddell: that's a legen, a very few people are really working 35 hours [03:13] mostly governement employees [03:13] grin i'm a consultant now so i don't work more hours then people will pay me to work [03:13] ah, Chirac's boys :) [03:13] Riddell: yup ;) [03:13] Tonio_: ok i have to go pick up the dog, i think it looks good w/ the capitalization changes and make sure spellings are correctly [03:13] Riddell: the 35 hours problem is that only the people who previously worked only 39 now work 35..... nonsense [03:14] Tonio_: don't know for sure because i'm not used to CVs [03:14] jjesse: is "expertise domains" correct ? [03:14] I'm unsure about this [03:14] E-mail has a capital [03:14] hmm thinking [03:14] what do you want expertise domains to mean? things you are an expert in? [03:14] Riddell: yeah capitals is a illness for me.... french generally don't capitalize anything ;) [03:15] things I am expert in [03:15] thinking.... [03:16] wife and i think that proficient in: instaed of expertise domains [03:16] and group them all together [03:16] hallo [03:16] yeah, but "proficient in" as a title is a bit strange no ? [03:16] hiya nixternal we are proofing Tonio_'s CV [03:17] woohoo [03:17] a bit, but both of us can understand it better [03:17] nixternal: need an english one, which scares me a bit ;) [03:17] I am doing my C++ homework, and reading from a file into arrays, and then ignoring is killing me :) [03:17] jjesse: the guy reading the CV is german :) [03:17] jjesse: so maybe expertise domains is okay [03:17] nixternal: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/Anthony%20Mercatante%20(CV-EN).pdf [03:17] that didn't shock riddell btw [03:18] Tonio_: ok [03:18] my CV just uses "Computer Skills" [03:18] your phrase sounds overly corporate, but maybe that's not a bad thing [03:18] ok time to go get the dog [03:18] be back in a bit [03:18] i hope i was helpful === Riddell beds [03:19] nite Riddell, and thanks for the help [03:20] hehe, 1995-2000 Mickey D's [03:20] or is that something different [03:20] nixternal: yeah when I was a student..... hard moments ;) [03:20] but I met my girlfriend there, so it's okay :) [03:21] I got fired from there in 1989 because I wouldn't mop or sweep up a mess the boss made [03:21] I didn't even work 1 day [03:21] nixternal: ouch that's hard ! [03:21] hehe [03:21] nixternal: I insulted everyone there 20 times at least, when under pressure never got fired :) [03:22] haha [03:22] even the boss [03:22] he just went here at a hard moment and started pissing off everyone [03:22] I just said him something like "now, shut the f*ck up, and move your ass over there !" [03:23] never got fired ;) French labour laws are nice sometimes :) [03:23] lol [03:23] but the boss was a pretty nice guy too I must say [03:23] he considered that was due to stress and that's it [03:24] I have never been so lucky [03:24] nixternal: any suggestion to improve the cv ? [03:25] get "Protocols" to post ont he first page if possible, leaving hte 2nd for your Professional Experience [03:25] see, I know in the US, you don't want to have more than 2 pages unless you are an executive, but I don't know how it is there [03:26] I don't even know if I have an old CV/Resume lying around [03:26] nixternal: protocols has been changed to "servers" section [03:26] detailing the apps in use depending the protocol (http -> apache1/2, lighttpd IIS) etc... [03:27] nixternal: the targeted job is executive :) [03:27] nixternal: IT manager for amazon france [03:27] nice [03:27] nixternal: could be ;) [03:28] in france, people generally tell not to go over 2 pages too, but I never had any problems using 3 pages [03:28] a friend of mine has a 10 pages CV, no pb too :) [03:28] jjesse: smtp;553 5.3.0 Rejected by Iserv RBL - 84.96.92.61 [03:29] jjesse: you'll never get the mail..... [03:29] jjesse: which rbl list is that ? [03:29] I have never done real CV and that would be hard to do [03:29] I need to work on mine [03:29] it is sad, my last one was done when I worked for the evil empire [03:30] nixternal: microsoft ? [03:30] yup [03:30] nixternal: I refused to work for them twice [03:30] Sun Solaris admin of all things [03:30] first time was to be VIP tech support (could have meet bill....) [03:30] second time was last year, refused to go there as a contractor === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:31] I actually liked working there, and the money was great [03:31] vorian: you lost? [03:31] ;p [03:32] nixternal, that hurt my feelings :( === nixternal points out that there is GNOME infiltration [03:32] hahah vorian [03:32] ah! [03:32] you have been had [03:32] I'm broadening my horizons nixternal :) [03:32] them GNOME people are coming in trying to get the secrets! [03:33] I'm testing kubuntu ISO's actually :) [03:33] while(de == gnome){ /ignore $*;} [03:34] here is one for you [03:34] lol [03:34] I have recently noticed that Samba does not work for me anymore [03:34] thanks [03:34] nixternal: there is no reason that working for MS would be worse than with another company [03:35] I worked for the US evil empire as well, AT&T. Now that job stunk, and was controlled by the mafia [03:35] ouch........ [03:35] nixternal: no ibm in the past too ? [03:35] a bunch of evil empires [03:35] nixternal: you should anticipate this time, go google ;) === theidiotthatisme [n=TheIdiot@adsl-75-19-118-251.dsl.yntwoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:35] Tonio_: funny you should ask, I worked in their data center with one of their partners [03:36] and they had the nerve to fire me because I wanted to take a week off and visit with my daughter [03:36] nixternal: who never worked for ibm ? :) [03:36] I did too but that's not on the cv [03:36] too short to be documented... [03:36] 3 times 3 weeks, for short consulting things [03:36] I didn't work directly for IBM, but I got to enjoy their massive datacenter [03:37] nixternal: can be impressive indeed :) [03:37] their datacenter was awesome [03:37] nixternal: biggest one I saw was in paris [03:37] 10k servers === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:37] biggest one I saw was Walmarts [03:37] hiya Hobbsee [03:37] how many ? [03:38] 10k 1U servers :) no big machines [03:38] oh man, ksysguard in KDE is lovely <3 [03:38] but that's pretty impressive too :) [03:38] server amount I don't know, but it is 95% underground [03:38] the US government has even asked to use their facility [03:38] it is on wikipedia [03:38] nixternal: same in my case :) [03:38] nixternal: I'd love to see the google one [03:38] probably the biggest on earth [03:39] Tonio_: you have to work for Google to see that one [03:39] nixternal: very few people at google even know where it is [03:39] heya nixternal, Tonio_ [03:39] Hobbsee: :) [03:39] I interviewed in Mountain View last year, and the tour of the entire facility, never took us anywhere near the data center [03:39] the Google data center in Chicago is nice [03:39] nixternal: as I said, most google employees dont know where is the datacenter in fact [03:40] I'm pretty sure it isn't in mountain view [03:40] Tonio_: did you get that english thing sorted out? [03:40] Hobbsee: cv done, now writting the covering letter [03:40] which is easiest since I can find prototypes on the net :) [03:41] easier [03:41] bbiaf, I need to get my C++ homework done, unless of course one of you want to finish it for me ;p [03:41] Tonio_: neat :) [03:41] Tonio_: i'll proofread it if you want, that's no problem [03:41] (and you can give me ideas) [03:43] Tonio_: email please [03:43] sorry, i descreened just before you spoke [03:46] Tonio_: employee has two e's [03:46] well, 3 [03:46] Hobbsee: already removed that from the cv anyway ;) [03:47] ahhh === Hobbsee is reading backscroll [03:55] Hobbsee: the problem is that my french covering letter is untranslatable :) [03:55] Tonio_: ahhh [03:56] french has so many specific adjective that it is pretty impossible to translate it.... [03:56] Tonio_: cant help you with that, then [03:56] I have to write it in the english way [03:56] i thought it had to be in english? [03:56] ah [03:56] Hobbsee: it has to [03:56] well they have the french one and need the english one :) [03:56] :) [03:56] but they can't be the same, looking at english examples, it is way different than french [03:57] half of what I put in my letter is something nobody will never say except in a covering letter context [03:57] Hobbsee: we are learning how to write covering letter at university for 6 month :) can you imagin that mess ? [03:57] neat :) [03:57] yep [04:05] Hobbsee: still there is 30 mintues ? just time to finish the letter [04:06] should be [04:06] http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/coles-took-the-buy-out-of-bilo/2007/03/27/1174761467240.html [04:06] heh, no shit. you could have come and asked *any* casheir, any time in the past 12 months or so, and they would ahve told you that [04:07] even before you started changing stores === Hobbsee mutters at the idiots in charge === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:09] moin! [04:10] moinmoin [04:10] hey Jucato! [04:11] hmm, anyone has suggestion how to get news (rss) shown in desktop easily? [04:11] superkaramba? [04:11] hi Hobbsee! [04:11] hmm, forget that [04:12] Jucato: I rather not use SK (: [04:12] just realised anyway that it's not what I need [04:12] knewsticker (on kicker)? [04:13] nope, looks like it's easiest just to put my google homepage to new order [04:14] :) [04:14] or wait for Plasma in 2010 :D [04:14] and IF I like to have any news shown in desktop, I use conky or similar [04:14] ok... === Jucato is 15 minutes late for his "class" [04:15] looks like I'll be extending into the afternoon... again... === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12452/ <-- help me fix that Current column :) === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] Mez: !@! [04:15] you dj'n tonight? [04:15] aw shucks... today? :( [04:16] that current column is killing me [04:16] and the fix is easy, I know it is with a silly inFile.ignore(#, ' ') [04:17] nixternal, tomorrow [04:17] ahh, my early night === Jucato doesn't know which time that would be... [04:18] me either ;) [04:18] hehe === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.91.69] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Alpha_Cluster [n=nikkun@bsu195102.bemidjistate.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:26] nixternal, but tune in, you'll like this DJ :d [04:36] hi all! [04:37] hey zakame! [04:37] Jucato: how'd the studying go? [04:37] hi Hobbsee! :D [04:37] ssup? [04:37] zakame: you're going to fix bugs today. [04:38] Hobbsee: C++? currently doing chapter 3 exercises :D [04:38] Jucato: woo :) [04:38] if you mean MOTU stuff, I only tackle that at night :P [04:38] Jucato: imeant the packaging :P [04:38] ahhh === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:38] mornings == C++ (and some other stuff); nights == MOTU [04:39] fair enough [04:39] but it's night time Jucato ;-) === Hobbsee notes it's cold in here === Jucato notes that it's hot in here [04:39] n8k99: in your world maybe :P [04:39] er... "part of the world" [04:39] you were correct sir, it is my world!!!!!! [04:40] BAW-ahahahahahahaha === n8k99 oops [04:40] n8k99: IT'S MY WORLD, AND I RULE IT WITH THE LONG POINTY STICK OF DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! === n8k99 knew there was a reason i hadn't been in here in a while [04:40] Hobbsee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/79 [04:40] not perfect, but for a french writing english, I think that's okay :) === Hobbsee looks [04:41] ooh Tonio_ is still here? must be a long night :) [04:41] hehe [04:41] Jucato: nightmare :/ [04:41] Jucato: I'd LOVE to bed now [04:41] ouch... [04:41] have to wake up at 7h30.... it is currently 4h40 [04:41] ew [04:41] Hobbsee: just tell me that's okay so that I can move to bed ;) [04:42] uh oh... better just take a short 30-min nap then... otherwise if you sleep longer, you're gonna be in a worse state... [04:42] Tonio_: i'd forgotten about the way different languages structure their sentences [04:43] Hobbsee: you mean ? [04:43] Tonio_: some of the sentences sound odd in english [04:44] Hobbsee: I'm so used to do that in french that is is very hard to consider another language, especially when french except a very high level language..... [04:44] like, phrased weirdly [04:44] Hobbsee: example ? [04:44] yeah, of course [04:44] Hobbsee: if you have suggestions/corrections, please tell me :) [04:44] Your advertisement for the above position has interested me very much and I would like to apply. --> more like, "i'm interested in your adver... for the above position, and would like to apply" [04:44] Newly relocated to Orlans, this one retained my attention, as corresponding to my profile and experience. particularly === Hobbsee attempts to figure otu what that shoudl be [04:45] most of it is gramatically correct - just not how english is mostly used [04:46] s/gave me/has given me/ [04:48] Hobbsee: okay so how would you rewrite this ? === Hobbsee rewrites [04:48] that's indeed typically the way to write french in fact :) === Hobbsee is still surprised Tonio_'s got that much of english correct - my german's appalling! [04:48] yeah, wouldnt surprise me [04:49] wardsback [04:49] Hobbsee: my english isn't that good.... after 12 years practicing, it should be much better... [04:50] but ony subtlely [04:50] Tonio_: extra professional? [04:51] isnt that voluntary? === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-netcache3-o.oracle.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:51] Riddell: [04:51] Hobbsee: that's part of extra-professional no ? [04:51] I used that kde upgrade assistant utility listed on the kubuntu page === Hobbsee hasnt heard of extra-professional [04:52] jetsaredim: he's asleep [04:52] doh [04:52] I can put voluntary, no problem ;) [04:53] Tonio_: i used tha tlater, yeah :P === Hobbsee has gotten all but: Passioned, volunteer, and dynamic, with proven ability to work effectively and positively with staff, trustees, and all other internal and external contact, I feel that I would be able to make a significant contribution to your company's management [04:53] oh wait, taht does work. [04:53]