[12:11] <kuwanger> peaker: Yea.
[12:11] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Alright
[12:11] <ins-dragonclaw> frojnd: try holding shift when you click?
[12:11] <peno> who likes reggae??
[12:12] <kuwanger> peaker: Btw, I thought you were for free software before.
[12:12] <yuan> I do
[12:12] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Lets get started
[12:12] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[12:12] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:12] <peno> me too
[12:12] <Tm_T> !coc
[12:12] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[12:12] <BluesKaj> peno, if you have question about kubunru then ask. otherwise stop
[12:12] <peaker> kuwanger: but its fun to have an hour's massage for 4$US and drink shakes for 70cents US all day, etc
[12:12] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: You see the two options: "Erase entire hdd" and "Manually" ?
[12:12] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: yes
[12:12] <kuwanger> peaker: Yea, I imagine.
[12:12] <peno> hey people, where are you from??? you dont speak Czech???????????
[12:12] <peaker> kuwanger: I am for Free Software. As long as copyright exists and thus can be abused, its good to use it against itself. But it would be better to not have copyright at all
[12:12] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: pick "Erase entire hdd"
[12:12] <kuwanger> peaker: Ah, I see.  I agree.
[12:13] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: it gives two drives master and slav4e
[12:13] <frojnd> ins-dragonclaw: when I shift and click on a torrent it just opens a new page and asks the same
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> hmm ok
[12:13] <kuwanger> peaker: Btw, guess who is #programmers founder now.
[12:13] <peno> I like alcohol
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> i don't use opera, so i don't know
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> maybe there's something in the settings?
[12:13] <cotyrothery> anyone here now c++
[12:13] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: It gives something called "swap", "/" and "/home" ?
[12:13] <peno> especially beer - Czech gambrinus
[12:13] <peaker> kuwanger: I do agree that some forms of art would be hurt without copyright. Namely movies with expensive effects. I think it would be good if commercial entities were bound by copyright for say.. 5 to 10 years. So theatres and such have to pay movie maker to display it, but you can download it home for free
[12:13] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: were should i look for that
[12:13] <hendaus> somebody help me please/
[12:14] <peaker> kuwanger: who?
[12:14] <kuwanger> peaker: Pfhoenix
[12:14] <Tm_T> !offtopic | peaker, kuwanger
[12:14] <ubotu> peaker, kuwanger: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:14] <peaker> kuwanger: Not that I care much about #programmers, now that Pfhenoix and other dumb ones sit there when everyone is idling :)
[12:14] <cotyrothery> Camaxli: I only get three options
[12:14] <cotyrothery> Camaxli: it ask which drive i would like or if i want to do it manually
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> hendaus: whats you prblem?
[12:15] <cotyrothery> Does anyone here know or learning c++
[12:15] <Tm_T> cotyrothery: some of us sure
[12:15] <cotyrothery> because im in the process of learning lua and c++
[12:16] <cotyrothery> I might after words learn asm and c
[12:16] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Describe the three options in details please
[12:16] <Skrot> I know some C++.. why?
[12:16] <cotyrothery> just wondering
[12:16] <cotyrothery> was it easy for you to learn
[12:16] <peaker> cotyrothery: I knew C++ years ago
[12:16] <peaker> but since its one of the most complicated things on the face of the planet, I can't say I still know it
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> does anyone here know any good snes emulators?
[12:16] <peaker> cotyrothery: I don't recommend learning C++ for any purpose these days :P
[12:17] <cotyrothery> i am learning it really easily
[12:17] <Skrot> It's easy to learn if you're a) interested b) know another object oriented language and/or some basic principles of computer memory
[12:17] <peaker> ins-dragonclaw: zsnes used to work okay
[12:17] <ToolBust> does any one have ubuntu with beryl?
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> i have it but it won't compile
[12:17] <Skrot> peaker: Why not?
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> zsnes i mean
[12:17] <peaker> cotyrothery: it takes a long time to learn C++ properly. You may think you learn it easily. But you don't. :)
[12:17] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: i cant copy and past it
[12:17] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: You can describe it
[12:17] <cotyrothery> Peaker: yea i know
[12:18] <Skrot> peaker: It takes a lot of experience to get it right, since you're responsible for memory management and to some extent run-time checks, but it's not THAT hard to start using it to write apps..
[12:18] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: first it ask weather i want to install on master drive (hda)
[12:18] <peaker> Skrot: Because C++'s goals don't coincide with the goals of anyone these days. C syntax compatibility does not typically matter to anyone who just wants to learn to use a language. And yet it complicates the hell out of C++.  Templates and other hacks designed for a hybrid of high-level featuers and performance are much much more complex than other answers which put less  emphasis on performance.  You pay for things that don't matter
[12:18] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: It wants to install what on hda?
[12:19] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Be more specific.
[12:19] <Skrot> peaker: You'd rather write apps in..?
[12:19] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: there are to many people talking
[12:19] <hendaus_> please help!
[12:19] <Tm_T> hey C++ talkers, take separate channel ;)
[12:19] <Tm_T> !helpme | hendaus_
[12:19] <ubotu> hendaus_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:20] <peaker> Skrot: come to offtopic
[12:20] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Send over PM then
[12:20] <Skrot> peaker: I was there, you just left :)
[12:20] <peaker> Skrot: #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:20] <Skrot> okay
[12:20] <peaker> Skrot: cause I couldn't send to channel
[12:20] <hendaus_> Tm_T, thanx, can u help me how to sitch off the monitor after 20 minutes/
[12:21] <BluesKaj> gotta register to pm
[12:21] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: /dev/hda: IDE1 master (hda) - 20.0 gb wdc wd200bb-75caa0
[12:22] <Tm_T> hendaus_: dunno about that, I usually handle that stuff in BIOS
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> yay! i have cotyrothery's hdd's serial number now
[12:22] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: /dev/hdb: IDE1 Slave (hdb) - 15.0 gb
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> not that that helps anyone ;)
[12:22] <cotyrothery> ins-dragonclaw: That drive is 7 years old
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> exactly
[12:23] <cotyrothery> lol
[12:23] <ins-dragonclaw> :P
[12:23] <cotyrothery> you wont get much out of it
[12:23] <hendaus_> Tm_T,  what can i do coz the monitor is very hot,on windows worked fine
[12:23] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Select hdb
[12:23] <cotyrothery> ok
[12:23] <Tm_T> hendaus_: what you mean by "very hot" ?
[12:23] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: i have done that one before
[12:24] <BluesKaj> hendaus, system settings/monitor&display/hardware /admin mode/power saving set and apply
[12:24] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: maybe i should go ahead and try the main drive
[12:24] <hendaus_> Tm_T,  i put my hand on the monitor and it is very hot
[12:24] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: We'll try it again on hdb first
[12:24] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: ok
[12:25] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: I am begging the install
[12:25] <Camaxtli> ok
[12:25] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: how big should i make the partion
[12:25] <bluestreet> test (sorry)
[12:25] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Should i erase the whole drive?
[12:25] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Shouldn't the installer do that itself?
[12:25] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Erase the whole drive
[12:25] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: ok
[12:26] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Don't mess with partition unless you know what you're doing
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> hendaus_: K Menu > System Settings > Monitor & Display > Power Saving
[12:26] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: ok because i have no idea what im doing most of the time
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> same here
[12:26] <BluesKaj> geezuz, thought he erased taht drive long time ago
[12:26] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Now I think you need to give up your username etc? right?
[12:27] <zerothis> cotyrothery: me too!
[12:27] <cotyrothery> lol
[12:27] <cotyrothery> none of us do
[12:27] <Camaxtli> BluesKaj: Last resort: installation step per step
[12:27] <zerothis> I installed a Dell Photo AIO 924 (which is a rebranded Lexmark z612) using the lexmark z600 series red hat drivers (used Alien). everything seems to have worked i didn't even get anny errors from installing the .deb files. But jobs just pileup in the viewer without error and without printing. I get no reation from the printer.
[12:27] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Installing
[12:28] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: i sure hope this works
[12:28] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: if not will we go ahead and do it on the main drive
[12:28] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: You're not alone in that.
[12:28] <soulrider__> zerothis: did you really need the drivers ?
[12:29] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: LOL , well i was tolled that it wont load from the slave and that might be my problem
[12:29] <hendaus__> ins-dragonclaw,  thanx but it doesnot work :(
[12:29] <ins-dragonclaw> ok
[12:29] <ins-dragonclaw> sorry
[12:29] <hendaus__> ins-dragonclaw,  maybe i have to configure my monitor module or not>?
[12:30] <LeeJunFan> anyone else having kdesktop crash after screensaver and power saving have been on for a while?
[12:30] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: my install screen disappeared
[12:30] <ins-dragonclaw> i don't think so
[12:30] <ins-dragonclaw> but i'm no hardware expert, sorry...
[12:31] <zerothis> soul:well, i plugged it in and got nothing. I used "Add Printer..." from the KDE "Print System" button, but there was no Dell...924 or Lexmark z612 listed. so i installed the drivers and tried again. this time "Lexmark z600" was listed
[12:31] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: is that weird that my install screen disappeared
[12:31] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: DId you switch desktops or did it just crash? In the latter case just redo the all the steps
[12:31] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: that has never happened before so wht should i do
[12:31] <zerothis> LeeJunFan: I have the problem sometimes
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> zerothis: do you also run beryl?
[12:32] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Run the installation again, do the same steps again until it finishes
[12:32] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: im going to go ahead and redo it but i think that iim going to go ahead an erase the main drive and install it there
[12:32] <Camaxtli> k
[12:32] <zerothis> LeeJun:I don't think so. checking...
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> zerothis: you'd know if you ran beryl :)
[12:33] <zerothis> well, beryl-core is installed.
[12:33] <LeeJunFan> zerothis: thanks. I'm trying to track down the root of it to file a useful bug report. It seems to be tied to DPMS (power saving), I haven't had it happen yet with powersaving on.
[12:34] <ins-dragonclaw> !NASM
[12:34] <ubotu> nasm: General-purpose x86 assembler. In component main, is optional. Version 0.98.38-1.2 (edgy), package size 1511 kB, installed size 2776 kB
[12:34] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[12:35] <zerothis> how would I go about using my printer without the drivers?
[12:36] <KaoticEvil> can i install 2 different versions of kubuntu on the same computer?
[12:36] <zerothis> I don't really need to use it myself. its the office printer and our print server is in the shop for a week. I just want to server the printer to XP machines durring office hours
[12:36] <zerothis> Koatin: Yes, I have two versions accidently. plus there is a way to do this on purpose
[12:37] <scotty> When will Firefox 2.0.0.3 hit the repos? I was told it usually only takes a couple days.
[12:37] <zerothis> then you can install different packages to different versions
[12:37] <KaoticEvil> zerothis: was that to me?
[12:38] <zerothis> KaoticEvil: yes, to you, 2 versions
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> zerothis: are you using a laptop?
[12:38] <KaoticEvil> hmmm
[12:38] <AaronCampbell> can anyone help me connect kubuntu to my network?
[12:38] <KaoticEvil> hey LeeJunFan :)
[12:38] <zerothis> LeeJunFan: Yes, I have a D900K
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> zerothis: okay, there's one big thing we have in common with that crash I think.
[12:39] <wilman> how to like shutdown my computer in 30 mins?
[12:39] <KaoticEvil> zerothis: how do i do it? just install the second version to a different hard drive?
[12:40] <aphroguy> Any xorg.conf geniuses out there?
[12:40] <AaronCampbell> wilman: shutdown -h +30
[12:41] <wilman> thx man;)
[12:41] <zerothis> there is a wiki somehwere. its a debian thing.
[12:42] <KaoticEvil> ok, cool.. thanks :)
[12:42] <zerothis> AaronCampbell: I've found if I use shutdown then my next boot is not fully funtional. no sound for instance
[12:43] <AaronCampbell> zerothis: what other option is there?
[12:43] <frojnd> any good with a lot of options ftp servers?
[12:43] <AaronCampbell> I'm new to (k)ubuntu, but shutdown is pretty standard afaik
[12:44] <zerothis> Using the GUI to shutdown doesn't cause problems.
[12:44] <KaoticEvil> couldnt't you use a scheduled job?
[12:44] <zerothis> but I don't know how to +30 in the GUI
[12:45] <AaronCampbell> can anyone help me connect kubuntu to my network?
[12:45] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: sorry my computer froze and crashed
[12:45] <KaoticEvil> AaronCampbell: are you trying to connect it to a windows network?
[12:45] <AaronCampbell> It seems to see all my network adapters (2 wired gigabit and one wireless)
[12:46] <AaronCampbell> If it could ping the router it's plugged into, I'd be happy
[12:46] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: im starting up the install again
[12:47] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: should i go ahead with installing it on my master drive
[12:47] <zerothis> Aaron:have you tried browsing to the router directly. I had one router that would ping untill I logged in once.
[12:47] <AaronCampbell> yes
[12:48] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: are you there?
[12:48] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: yes
[12:49] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: I am now
[12:49] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Should i go ahead and install it on my maste drive
[12:49] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: If you don't mind losing all date on that drive I'd say go for it
[12:50] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: yay i get to erase everything
[12:50] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: woooohoooooo
[12:50] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: coty ends sarcasim
[12:51] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: windows is no use to me anyways now that it does not work
[12:51] <justin1278> hello
[12:51] <justin1278> I am having an issue with Kubuntu on my notebook, it seems that whenever my notebook is plugged in that I have booting problems.
[12:52] <justin1278> It takes at least 5 minutes to boot plugged in, but when un-plugged it takes only 30 seconds.
[12:52] <AaronCampbell> zerothis: yes, I have tried browsing to it
[12:52] <wendy> I NEED HELP IN SPANISH
[12:53] <justin1278> can anyone help me?
[12:53] <Camaxtli> Wendy: #ubuntu-es
[12:53] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: ok here it goes im about to wipe out everything on my computer
[12:54] <justin1278> can somebody help me with my booting issue?
[12:54] <aphroguy> Estoy aprendiendo todavia, pero que necesitas wendy?
[12:54] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: i just hope kubuntu does not let me down
[12:54] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: If you do it right it won't
[12:55] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: what
[12:55] <justin1278> can somebody please help me with my booting issue?
[12:55] <cotyrothery> were all having booting issues
[12:55] <cotyrothery> at least i am
[12:55] <cotyrothery> lol
[12:55] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: kubuntu
[12:55] <justin1278> lol
[12:56] <Camaxtli> justin1278: What is your booting issue?
[12:56] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: could you repeat what you mean
[12:56] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: im really nerves
[12:56] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: If you do kubuntu right it works good.
[12:56] <justin1278> Camaxtli: whenever my notebook is plugged in it takes around 5 minutes to boot, but when my notebook is un-plugged it takes about 30 seconds.
[12:56] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Do yo think if i install it on the main drive it will work?
[12:57] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: I don't know, I never had those issues and I usually edit my partition tables manually.
[12:58] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Ok it is installing there is no turning back now
[12:58] <justin1278> Camaxtli: whenever my notebook is plugged in it takes around 5 minutes to boot, but when my notebook is un-plugged it takes about 30 seconds.
[12:59] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: I really really hope that this great linux does not let me down by not working.
[12:59] <Camaxtli> justin1278: acpi issues perhaps? My notebook boots fine somehow :/
[12:59] <justin1278> Camaxtli: Is there a way to fix it?
[12:59] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: because im deleting hundreds of dollors worth of software
[12:59] <justin1278> Camaxtli: Other linux distributions didn't do this.
[01:00] <philfo> recommendations?  I want to do a kubuntu install on my two 80GB drives RAID configured.
[01:00] <philfo> is it do-able??
[01:00] <Camaxtli> justin1278: Try looking for bug reports of notebooks that have the same problem
[01:00] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Only hundreds?
[01:00] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: yes
[01:00] <justin1278> Camaxtli: Ok
[01:01] <justin1278> Camaxtli: Also is there a way to change how much power your CPU uses when plugged in/un-plugged?
[01:01] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: i have one peice of software that cost 800 dollors
[01:01] <Camaxtli> justin1278: Yes there is: Kpowersave :)
[01:02] <justin1278> Camaxtli: Ok thanks!
[01:02] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: will they have software that i had for windows for kubuntu
[01:02] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: like software to do my C++ coding
[01:02] <ins-dragonclaw> kate + blind luck?
[01:02] <Camaxtli> Eclipse
[01:03] <justin1278> cotyrothery: KDevelop can do C++ coding I believe.
[01:03] <cotyrothery> cool
[01:03] <cotyrothery> is it better than most
[01:03] <justin1278> cotyrothery: and its free of course.
[01:03] <Camaxtli> Eclipse is prettier and nicer
[01:03] <cotyrothery> yep
[01:03] <justin1278> cotyrothery: sorry I'm not sure I don't know C++ coding.
[01:04] <cotyrothery> oh
[01:04] <cotyrothery> i love it
[01:04] <cotyrothery> its great to be able to tell the computer what to do
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> and you end up screaming?
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> :P
[01:04] <cotyrothery> It's kind of funny that all that coding turns into 1's and 0's
[01:05] <cotyrothery> im not
[01:05] <cotyrothery> i have no problems with learning it or programming with ti
[01:05] <cotyrothery> Main reason im learning it is so i can programe for the psp scen
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> except for spelling, of course
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[01:05] <cotyrothery> lol
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> heheh
[01:05] <cotyrothery> yea tha always gets me
[01:05] <cotyrothery> i always type to fast
[01:06] <Camaxtli> ins-dragonclaw: Documentation without spelling and grammar or without interpunction
[01:06] <cotyrothery> so i miss a ; at the end sometimes
[01:06] <justin1278> Camaxtli: I
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:06] <n8k99> schloars ta xfrdo have proved spellngi si nuesscary
[01:06] <cotyrothery> if i wanted to code for kubuntu could i do it in c++
[01:06] <cotyrothery> or would i need to know asm
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> !SDL
[01:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sdl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:06] <justin1278> Camaxtli: I've installed Kpowersave, is there a way to disable the default power manager so I can just use Kpowersave?
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> !sdl-config
[01:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sdl-config - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> justin1278: apt-get remove kde-guidance-power
[01:07] <Camaxtli> justin1278 there is
[01:07] <cotyrothery> anyone here help programe the kubuntu linux?
[01:07] <n8k99> kdevelop has modules and templates to write kde apps and plugins
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> justin1278: apt-get remove kde-guidance-powermanager that is
[01:07] <philfo> anyone tell me how difficult it might be to set up kubuntu on a RAID array?
[01:07] <justin1278> LeeJunFan: Thanks
[01:07] <n8k99> cotyrothery: you want #kubuntu-devel or #kde-devel
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> !libsdl
[01:08] <cotyrothery> what is that
[01:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libsdl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> arrrgh
[01:08] <cotyrothery> is it the place were the programmers talk
[01:08] <n8k99> cotyrothery: yes
[01:08] <allyppe> is there any way to keep a log of my installed packages in synaptic?
[01:09] <cotyrothery> cool now i can see what they talk about
[01:09] <_Iwonder_> anyone got a sec?
[01:09] <_Iwonder_> try /server <your local ip>
[01:09] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
 ha. ha. ha. </sarcasm>
[01:10] <cntb> what user can admin cups in http://localhost:631/admin ?
[01:10] <cotyrothery> they dont talk much in the dev channel
[01:10] <Camaxtli> Try: /join 0,0
[01:10] <cntb> !cups
[01:10] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> You have (1) new email! Type "/server mail" to read it
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> that one cracked me up...
[01:10] <aphroguy> Anyone good with xorg.conf?  I'm in need of some assistance.
[01:11] <_Iwonder_> thx a lot for your help.it wasn't a joke
[01:11] <cotyrothery> i have to say that i love the linux scene its much better than what microsoft has to offer
[01:12] <philfo> ok, not gonna do the RAID install.
[01:12] <cotyrothery> if microsoft offered there new vista for free to me i would turn it down
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> configure: error: SDL >= 1.2.0 is required
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> wtf is SDL ?
[01:13] <philfo> is it possible to move my current Kubuntu settings from this drive to my newly installed version on my much larger hd?
[01:13] <Skrot> ins-dragonclaw: Simple Directmedia Layer. Its used to program with OpenGL etc
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> ok, better: Does kubuntu come with SDL ?
[01:14] <peaker> philfo: you can copy your home dir config files. As for packages, there's a way to dump your package settings from one comp and load them in another, but I donno if its a good idea in an ubuntu system
[01:14] <cotyrothery> im hiped up on caffeen
[01:14] <Skrot> You probably want libsdl1.2-dev
[01:14] <peaker> ins-dragonclaw: the SDL graphics/sound library?
[01:14] <peaker> ins-dragonclaw: what are you trying to build?
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> zsnes
[01:15] <peaker> ins-dragonclaw: from an ubuntu source package?
[01:15] <cotyrothery> i drank to much coffee i beleive
[01:15] <peaker> ins-dragonclaw: or from sources?
[01:15] <philfo> I can set up the packages, no worries, I just want to keep some things like mail and the like.
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> from their own source package
[01:15] <Skrot> ins-dragonclaw: Install the libsdl1.2-dev package.
[01:15] <cotyrothery> i do that when im nerves
[01:15] <peaker> ins-dragonclaw: I think it can autodetect such dependencies if you deb-make a package for it, that way you'll end up with a .deb too
[01:15] <philfo> doing that whole setup will still take me less time than a WinXP install
[01:15] <peaker> ins-dragonclaw: but Skrot is right, you need that -dev package
[01:15] <philfo> thanks
[01:16] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay
[01:16] <cotyrothery> Is it possible to have more than one linux on one drive?
[01:16] <epimeth> ahoy folks!
[01:16] <peaker> cotyrothery: what do you mean?
[01:16] <peaker> cotyrothery: multiple installations ? you can have those in separate partitions
[01:16] <cotyrothery> like have kubuntu and edubuntu and ubuntu on the same dirve
[01:16] <peaker> cotyrothery: with some trickery, on the same partition :)
[01:16] <epimeth> I recently updated my feisty... I think something is broken :-(
[01:16] <KarlT> yes, with different partitions and a boot loader like grub
[01:17] <peaker> cotyrothery: sure, in separate partitions
[01:17] <cotyrothery> cool
[01:17] <epimeth> after the splashscreen, nothing happens
[01:17] <epimeth> I just have a blank screen
[01:17] <cotyrothery> i guess if i ever get kubuntu to work then i will do that
[01:17] <epimeth> no terminals, no nothing
[01:17] <cotyrothery> and if i do get it to work you will see me on here a lot
[01:17] <cotyrothery> lol
[01:18] <peaker> cotyrothery: so what happened after you reinstalled? same thing
[01:18] <peaker> cotyrothery: ?
[01:18] <cotyrothery> peaker: im installing now
[01:18] <epimeth> cotyrothery: actually... you can have them on the same partition... but you *really* don't want to do that
[01:18] <Bluedog> are there any cd burning programs like nero for ubuntu?
[01:18] <cotyrothery> peaker: i am doing it on my master drive this time
[01:18] <Bluedog> the one included is a bit basic
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> Bluedog: K3b ?
[01:18] <_Iwonder_> seriously can i get someone,anyone to conduct a test for me?
[01:18] <epimeth> cotyrothery: its basically what happens when you update the kernel... you're old linux kernels are still available
[01:19] <Bluedog> ins-dragonclaw: never heard of it, is it good?
[01:19] <cotyrothery> epimeth: ok
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> it's the included one O.o
[01:19] <Bluedog> I want one tha does dvd-video files / vobs too if possible
[01:19] <Bluedog> oh
[01:19] <Bluedog> lol
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> !K3b
[01:19] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:19] <cotyrothery> epimeth: do you have all the ubuntus installed
[01:19] <Bluedog> im using just ubuntu at the moment, gnome
[01:19] <cotyrothery> i cant get ubuntu to even load
[01:20] <epimeth> cotyrothery: sorry?
[01:20] <cotyrothery> it just goes crazy and crashes
[01:20] <peaker> cotyrothery: maybe your BIOS only looks at your master drive
[01:20] <cotyrothery> peaker: yeah i beleive so
[01:20] <Bluedog> so im just using gnome cd/dvd creator....
[01:20] <raffytaffy> cotyrothery: still a no go ehh?
[01:20] <cotyrothery> peaker: that is why im going ahead and doing it
[01:20] <peaker> cotyrothery: you dont have to reinstall it there tho. you can try to just install grub there
[01:20] <Bluedog> Is swapping to kubuntu / having both really as easy as adding kubuntu-desktop?
[01:20] <ins-dragonclaw> Bluedog: apparently k3b works on gnome
[01:20] <raffytaffy> yes Bluedog
[01:20] <peaker> Bluedog: was for me
[01:21] <raffytaffy> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:21] <Bluedog> thanks ins-dragonclaw
[01:21] <ins-dragonclaw> yw
[01:21] <Bluedog> awesome, then how do i choose between the two?
[01:21] <peaker> Bluedog: you also want to remove gdm so kdm takes over, maybe :) I also removed all the gnome libs, but ya
[01:21] <Bluedog> session on login?
[01:21] <cotyrothery> raffytaffy: peaker; i am installing it on the main drive
[01:21] <raffytaffy> during loging Bluedog
[01:21] <peaker> cotyrothery: I understand - but grub can run from one drive and boot a patrition from the other
[01:21] <cotyrothery> raffytaffy: peaker: i deciede i did not want windows
[01:21] <raffytaffy> u can have as many as u want Bluedog
[01:21] <Bluedog> yeah.. cool
[01:21] <raffytaffy> i have 10+ Bluedog
[01:21] <Bluedog> I'm just worried its gonna be messy
[01:22] <cotyrothery> raffytaffy: well its too late now
[01:22] <Bluedog> gnome libs, kdm, gdm, all mixed up
[01:22] <peaker> cotyrothery: okay.  I need to install Windows some time so I can play games and justify my new computer
[01:22] <raffytaffy> Bluedog : it wont , dont worry
[01:22] <cotyrothery> peaker: cant you do that with kubuntu
[01:22] <peaker> Bluedog: I think kdm+gdm may be messy, that's why you need to remove gdm. gnome libs and others are not a mess, they just sit there
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> great
[01:22] <raffytaffy> each DM loads the apps it needs, and not everything at once
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> libsdl1.2-dev needs like a million other packages
[01:22] <soulrider__> hi, im bored, anyone needs help ?
[01:22] <soulrider__> hi ins-dragonclaw
[01:22] <peaker> cotyrothery: only few "real" games have linux versions (I mean big-time labels)
[01:22] <Bluedog> peaker: ok, ty :)
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> hello soulrider__
[01:23] <cotyrothery> peake: good thing i use my PSP for games and not my pc
[01:23] <peaker> cotyrothery: cool 3d games
[01:23] <peaker> cotyrothery: Then you really have no reason to keep win around ;)
[01:23] <cotyrothery> peaker: i hack my PSP and make it do what ever i want like run unsighend code
[01:23] <soulrider__> im gonna see if i can play diablo 2 with wine
[01:23] <cotyrothery> peaker: i even ran kubuntu on my PSP
[01:23] <ins-dragonclaw> why don't they include all these things with the CD ?!
[01:24] <peaker> cotyrothery: cool
[01:24] <Skrot> yeah! It's not like a CD has a limited size of 700MBs or anything..
[01:24] <peaker> soulrider__: Starcraft, a game from 95 still doesnt run in wine
[01:24] <cotyrothery> peaker: yeah they ported bochs to the psp
[01:24] <peaker> or 97
[01:24] <ins-dragonclaw> according to appdb.winehq.org, you're wrong, peaker
[01:24] <cotyrothery> peaker: if i wanted i could run windows
[01:24] <epimeth> soulrider__: you can help me :-)
[01:25] <peaker> ins-dragonclaw: Starcraft runs - but not in multiplayer mode. Which means it doesnt run ;)
[01:25] <peaker> single player starcraft is useless
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> heheh. point made
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> what about battle.net?
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> also not?
[01:25] <peaker> That's what doesn't work in starcraft
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay
[01:25] <peaker> appearantly starcraft relies on some bugs in Windows
[01:25] <peaker> that are hard to emulate
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[01:25] <cotyrothery> i can do anything with my psp
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> o...kay
[01:25] <peaker> or maybe they dont even know what the bugs are
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> cotyrothery: can you make it make coffee?
[01:26] <ins-dragonclaw> no, i'm not kidding either
[01:26] <cotyrothery> actually yes i can
[01:26] <peaker> also when I reported the bugs, they mixed other unrelated bugs into my report - and then closed it based on those bugs :(
[01:26] <ins-dragonclaw> so submit it again, peaker
[01:26] <peaker> ins-dragonclaw: it was a lot of effort
[01:27] <ins-dragonclaw> don't you have a backup of the list?
[01:27] <Guest75071> hi
[01:27] <meme-1> Hey folks, I am trying to register my email address as per the irc instructions "/msg NickServ set email xxx@xxx.com BUT I am seeing an error: "/msg: Unknown command."
[01:28] <peaker> ins-dragonclaw: I dont have the setup to restore the bug anymore
[01:28] <Guest75071> I have a question about installing kubuntu
[01:28] <peaker> meme-1: which irc client?
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> lol ok
[01:28] <raffytaffy>  meme-1 hi
[01:29] <meme-1> hello folks (again) nice to see y'all.
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> try /raw msg nickserv blabla
[01:29] <meme-1> irc.freenode.net
[01:29] <cotyrothery> im almost done installing kubuntu
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> that's the server
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> what program are you running?
[01:29] <Guest75071> It says Uncompressing Linux . . . Ok, boot the Kernel.
[01:30] <Guest75071> But nothing happens
[01:30] <cotyrothery> guest75071: you can change your name
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:30] <Guest75071> how
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> ./nick <new nick>
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> leave out the dot at the front
[01:31] <soulrider__> epimeth: whatd o you need ?
[01:31] <epimeth> ummmm... sooo after installing some updates to feisty my screen seems to die
[01:31] <epimeth> after the splashscreen nothing whatsoever appears
[01:31] <epimeth> however, if I go in recovery mode everything is fine
[01:32] <bender1337> ok i changed my name
[01:32] <soulriderf> uhm
[01:32] <epimeth> I guess I could start disabling things from rc.5, but that seems kinda extreme
[01:32] <soulrider> i would do this
[01:32] <soulrider> disablle splash
[01:32] <soulrider> and see if it gives me an error
[01:32] <soulrider> you should ask in the feisty channel though
[01:32] <cotyrothery> it seems to take longer installing it on my master drive than what it did on my slave drive
[01:32] <epimeth> how do I disable the splash?
[01:32] <paddy-2k> Has anyone one had the updated mess up their install?
[01:32] <soulrider> you know int he grub menu ?
[01:33] <soulrider> just remove quiet and plash options
[01:33] <soulrider> you can do that when botting
[01:33] <soulrider> just press e to edit
[01:33] <soulrider> paddy-2k: the updater you mean ?
[01:33] <nick_> is there anything in inux that allows you to watch .aiv,.mpg,and.wmv in the browser (either firefox of kokqerer)
[01:33] <epimeth> kay... speaking of which... how do I have a splashscreen with messages of what is loading?  dapper had it, but edgy and feisty seem to have gotten rid of them
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> aha
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> had the same problem
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> speaking of which ... i should fix it...
[01:34] <peaker> nick_: You can embed kaffein in konqueror for that somehow. easy ubuntu sets it up somehow, but you shouldnt use easy ubuntu, not sure exactly how its done
[01:34] <AbortD> alright i have beryl running and in order to do that i had to fix my drivers
[01:34] <epimeth> soulrider: hmmm... there *is* no 'splash' option... and getting rid of quiet doesn't change anything
[01:34] <peaker> nick_: search about embedding kaffein in konqueror
[01:35] <cotyrothery> camaxtli: when it is done installing will there be anything else i need to do
[01:35] <nick_> kaffein crashed every time i open it
[01:35] <AbortD> now no matter what setting i use my screen is oversized or under
[01:35] <Camaxtli> Reboot
[01:35] <Camaxtli> Most likely
[01:35] <soulrider> epimeth: you should be able to disable it
[01:35] <AbortD> how do i fix my self?
[01:35] <paddy-2k> soulrider: yes sorry updater, X isn't starting. and I'm not experienced enought to fix it
[01:35] <Camaxtli> And check if you can get into a woeking system
[01:35] <soulrider> nick_: videos work fine on firefox and konqueror for me
[01:35] <cotyrothery> camaxtli: cool ok i hope it works
[01:35] <bender1337> here is my problem
[01:35] <epimeth> soulrider: the splash seems to be okay, tho... its *after* the splash that things freeze up
[01:36] <nick_> I fi go to (for example) www.thatvideosite.com, those are all videos that used to play in windows media player (not flash)
[01:36] <cotyrothery> camaxtli: if not im coming back on crying
[01:36] <soulrider> paddy-2k: it kind of messed my PC up too, i would help you but i really dont know lol, i suggest anyone with feisty to go to #ubuntu+1
[01:36] <soulrider> epimeth: it just freezes? dont you get an error at all ?
[01:36] <nick_> now it says "click here to download plug-in" and then theres no plug in available
[01:36] <bender1337> when i load kubuntu it says Uncompressing linux... ok, booting rhe kernel.
[01:36] <epimeth> soulrider: I dunno what exactly happens... nothing whatsoever appears on the screen
[01:36] <soulrider> nick_: tried konqueror? also, did you install  w32codecs ?
[01:36] <bender1337> but nothing happens
[01:36] <epimeth> soulrider: the splashscreen has the blue bar filling up, then just a black screen
[01:36] <soulrider> oh, epimethno idea
[01:37] <epimeth> soulrider: arg... thanks anyway
[01:37] <nick_> is that in the manager (the codecs)??
[01:37] <soulrider> epimeth: if you disable it you can see all the text
[01:37] <soulrider> and know whats actually happening
[01:37] <paddy-2k> soulrider: I'll just have to stop wearing my LinuxuniL T-shirt till the 19th. Thanks anyway
[01:37] <epimeth> soulrider: also if I hit alt+f1
[01:37] <epimeth> soulrider: so everything loads in what seems to be an okay manner, then I get a black screen :-)
[01:37] <Bluedog> anyone know how to remove the annoying nvidia logo when x starts?
[01:38] <bender1337> someone read my question /\
[01:38] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Do you think it will work since it is on my main drive
[01:38] <epimeth> Bluedog: you get the nvidia login??? no fair!  lets trade :-(
[01:38] <nick_> Im not sure if I have a bigger problem, but kaffein has never worked until (for some reason) today.....and when I shit down it says kde has encountered an error die to a bug
[01:38] <soulrider> Bluedog: add the line NoLogo "true" tot he device section (i THINK thats the line, cant tell you 1005)
[01:38] <Bluedog> lol
[01:38] <epimeth> Bluedog: ermm... logo, not login
[01:38] <Bluedog> thanks soulrider, ill check it out
[01:39] <nick_> ^^lol about the lazy typing
[01:39] <soulrider> nick_: try purging and reinstalling kaff
[01:39] <soulrider> to everyone using feisty
[01:39] <soulrider> its still in beta to crap is bound to happen
[01:39] <epimeth> nick_: wjat ;azu tuppomg???
[01:39] <soulrider> i suggest you ask in #ubuntu+1
[01:39] <soulrider> you will get more help there
[01:39] <nick_> lol
[01:39] <paddy-2k> bender1337: please don't go bassing people about in the room or you'll never get help
[01:40] <paddy-2k> bender1337: I mean bossing
[01:40] <bender1337> sorry
[01:40] <bender1337> do know though?
[01:40] <nick_> I also have a problem with the embeded flash player in kubuntu (in konqerer and firefox) ...basically it plays the audio but no video on 75% of flash video sites
[01:41] <nick_> will kaffeine deal with flash video as well?
[01:41] <nick_> actually, can I embed VLC in firefox/konqerer
[01:41] <BluesKaj> upgraded to flash9 , nick_?
[01:41] <nick_> hmm
[01:41] <nick_> i used the manager
[01:42] <peaker> Bluedog: I think its Option "NoLogo" bug just google Nologo
[01:42] <peaker> bug->but
[01:42] <cotyrothery> ok it is installing grub
[01:42] <BluesKaj> about:plugins in the addressbar and check what's listed
[01:42] <nick_> ok its flash 8
[01:42] <nick_> or 7
[01:42] <nick_> sorry
[01:42] <nick_> how to upgrade?
[01:43] <nick_> shouldnt the manager give me the latest version?
[01:43] <BluesKaj> nope
[01:43] <Kr4t05> I know that this question has been exhasted beyond belief, but I want an opinion: Is it worth it to make an early upgrade to Feisty? Is so, how? Via apt? Or a fresh install?
[01:43] <nick_> Im trying to get away from flash, because I hate it
[01:43] <Tm_T> Kr4t05: no unless you need something or are ready to hunt bugs
[01:44] <Kr4t05> Tm_T: Is it that bad?
[01:44] <besonen_mobile2> konq appears to ignore leading underscores in directory names when sorting.  is this a k/ubuntu'ism?  how can i change this?
[01:44] <peaker> nick_: youtube/etc are too compelling
[01:44] <nick_> even before on windows, windows media played videos smooth without buffering, flash videos are jumpy and pixilized...same in kubuntu, the flash video sucks
[01:44] <BluesKaj> nick_, there's no getting away from flash , it's become more embedded everyday
[01:44] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: ok it is installed im about to restart
[01:44] <nick_> i wish youtube would drop the flash and go with some other video
[01:44] <peaker> flash video on youtube/etc is not jumpy here
[01:45] <Tm_T> Kr4t05: no, it's not bad, but there's always chance for that, also hunting bugs is important at this point
[01:45] <Kr4t05> Granted, I've been a user since Breezy, so I know my way around, but I've been itching to justify a fresh reinstall, and a possible opportunity to bid farewell that beastly Windows partition. ><
[01:45] <nick_> does anybody elese use VLC?
[01:45] <Tm_T> Kr4t05: well, it's only 3 weeks so wait ;)
[01:46] <nick_> because it handles flash video, and does it better than adobe
[01:46] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Good luck
[01:46] <Kr4t05> Tm_T: Yeah... I suppose. I don't think I've ever waited for the official release.
[01:46] <nick_> it just doesnt stream in off the internet it only plays local files
[01:46] <eilker> how do u show "what u r listening to" in irc ?
[01:46] <BluesKaj> VLC is not a very good browser plugin . buggy ...fine as straight player
[01:46] <Kr4t05> I'll have to torrent/seed the image, so people can get it without waiting 4 months. :P
[01:47] <nick_> VLC as a player seems to play absolutly anything...i think it has alot of codecs
[01:47] <BluesKaj> apr 19th , official release AFAIK
[01:47] <Tm_T> Kr4t05: hmm, I did with, err, 5.10 I think and moved to Dapper in less than a month or so
[01:47] <BluesKaj> nick_, crappy plugin tho :(
[01:48] <nick_> yeah i remember it in windows
[01:48] <Tm_T> Kr4t05: so I have seen releases and early stages of development (:
[01:48] <nick_> made internet explorere look better than firefox
[01:48] <Kr4t05> Tm_T: Heh. Yeah, I'd never upgrade that soon. :P
[01:48] <Kr4t05> Maybe in a VM, but not on my main system.
[01:49] <Tm_T> there's other than main?
[01:49] <naught101> what's the best FTP client for kde? konqueror isn't working for me
[01:50] <peaker> naught101: what do you mean konq isnt working?
[01:50] <Tm_T> !ftpclient
[01:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ftpclient - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:50] <Tm_T> !ftp
[01:50] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[01:50] <Camaxtli> !ftp
[01:50] <Tm_T> gftp is good
[01:50] <naught101> peaker: the uni proxy re-directs it to http
[01:50] <naught101> I'm just wondering if I can get around it by using someting else
[01:50] <naught101> since I HAVE used ftp here before
[01:52] <busfahrer> Excuse me, where's kcontrol in the Start Menu?
[01:52] <naught101> busfahrer: depends on the distro
[01:52] <Tm_T> busfahrer: nowhere IIRC, hit alt-F2 and type "kcontrol" ;)
[01:52] <Tm_T> naught101: ...
[01:53] <busfahrer> Tm_T: But why?
[01:53] <peaker> busfahrer: "System Settings" is not kcontrol but it does the same
[01:53] <Tm_T> busfahrer: it's "hidden" in Kubuntu by default
[01:53] <naught101> heh. thought I was in #KDE
[01:53] <Tm_T> peaker: doesn't do the same
[01:53] <Tm_T> peaker: does mostly the same though :)
[01:54] <peaker> ya its slightly "cooler" and more annoying at the same time
[01:54] <peaker> ;)
[01:54] <peaker> search is less useful
[01:55] <allyppe> is there any way to keep a log of my installed packages in synaptic?
[01:56] <peaker> allyppe: not sure if in synaptic, but you can use: dpkg --get-selections
[01:56] <nick_> this may sound stupid, but how to i change the directory in konsole?
[01:56] <peaker> nick_: "cd directory"?
[01:56] <Tm_T> cd as "change directory" ;)
[01:56] <nick_> im at desktop...and i need to get into a folder
[01:56] <peaker> nick_: you can also load the midnight commander profile in konq, then your terminal directory follows your konq one
[01:57] <allyppe> nick_: same as in any other normal console, konsole is no different; actually konsole is nothing else than a terminal with some added features
[01:57] <Tm_T> yup
[01:57] <raffytaffy> changing DMPS on the fly is cool. whoever invent that feature is good
[01:57] <nick_> i need to get into the "install flashplayer" folder" on my destop to run the installation
[01:57] <Tm_T> though Konsole is <3
[01:57] <raffytaffy> Tm_T: hello
[01:57] <Tm_T> nick_: hmm, why?
[01:57] <Tm_T> raffytaffy: moin
[01:57] <nick_> im a newb
[01:57] <Tm_T> nick_: I mean, what you are doing?
[01:57] <nick_> to this command line stuff
[01:58] <nick_> i dlownloaded flashplayer9(the tar gz file)
[01:58] <nick_> and i am following the instructions on how to install it through konsole
[01:58] <cotyrothery> guess what
[01:58] <cotyrothery> it did not work
[01:58] <Tm_T> nick_: hmm, you can install flashplayer from package too
[01:58] <allyppe> is there any way to keep a log of my installed packages in synaptic, but in order, so that i may know what i installed and when?
[01:58] <nick_> how?
[01:58] <Tm_T> nick_: so no fiddling needed ;)
[01:58] <Tm_T> !flash9
[01:58] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[01:59] <cotyrothery> camaxli: it did not work
[01:59] <Tm_T> !backports
[01:59] <epimeth> here's a general question... my work is getting me a dual core laptop next week... do I install the regular oem version of kubuntu, or do I need something else?
[01:59] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[01:59] <cotyrothery> camaxtlie: it did not work when i booted
[01:59] <nick_> !flash9 in konsole?
[01:59] <Tm_T> epimeth: whatever you like
[01:59] <Tm_T> nick_: no, look what ubotu said
[01:59] <epimeth> Tm_T: don't need a special kernel?
[02:00] <Bluedog> I ran a program with the -d flag to detach the console.. how do i reattach to stop it, without using kill?
[02:00] <Tm_T> epimeth: hmm, nope
[02:00] <naught101> anyone know why firefox and thunderbird's restart buttons don't work? they just shut down, and then don't start again
[02:00] <epimeth> Tm_T: cheers
[02:00] <cotyrothery> Does anyone know what i should do now
[02:00] <allyppe> i mean, is there any way to keep a log of my installed packages in synaptic, but in order, so that i may know what i installed and when?
[02:00] <cotyrothery> i installed it on my master drive
[02:00] <cotyrothery> but it still does not boot
[02:00] <Tm_T> Bluedog: -r ?
[02:00] <cotyrothery> it says no operating system found
[02:00] <cotyrothery> So what could be the problem
[02:00] <Tm_T> allyppe: not that I know
[02:01] <cotyrothery> i have tried installing kubuntu on both drives and neither have worked
[02:01] <Bluedog> I ran script.py -d
[02:01] <Tm_T> nick_: got it?
[02:01] <nick_> "In terminal, navigate to this directory and type ./flashplayer-installer to run the installer"...i do this and it says no such file or directory, and I have unpacked the files to my desktop
[02:01] <Tm_T> Bluedog: ok, no idea about that
[02:01] <Bluedog> ok :)
[02:01] <Tm_T> nick_: you don't need to do that, just forget it, remove that dir or something ;)
[02:02] <cotyrothery> peaker: are you there
[02:02] <Tm_T> nick_: and install it from packages instead
[02:02] <Tm_T> !flash | nick_
[02:02] <ubotu> nick_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:02] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[02:02] <nick_> lol...i got it
[02:02] <Tm_T> !backports | nick_
[02:02] <ubotu> nick_: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[02:02] <nick_> i just dragged and dropped the install flash into konsole
[02:02] <peaker> cotyrothery: now I am
[02:02] <cotyrothery> peaker: it still does not boot
[02:02] <Tm_T> nick_: hrr
[02:02] <nick_> lol
[02:03] <peaker> cotyrothery: hmm, run grub
[02:03] <peaker> type that find command
[02:03] <Tm_T> nick_: so, flash 9 is in backports repository, you don't need to mess around with that installer, but install it thru adept
[02:03] <cotyrothery> peaker: how do i do that again
[02:03] <peaker> cotyrothery: sudo grub
[02:03] <cotyrothery> ok
[02:03] <cotyrothery> and what should it say
[02:03] <nick_> adept gives me an old version of flash
[02:03] <peaker> cotyrothery: give you a prompt
[02:03] <nick_> like flash 7
[02:04] <Netham46> (!!) dmx: The default visual for screen #0 does not match any of the
[02:04] <Netham46> (!!) dmx: consolidated visuals from Xinerama (listed above)
[02:04] <Netham46> Anyone got any ideas?
[02:04] <peaker> cotyrothery: then try find /boot/grub/stage2
[02:04] <peaker> cotyrothery: tell me what it says
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> whats the kubuntu testing channel?
[02:04] <peaker> cotyrothery: or do you need to reboot
[02:04] <cotyrothery> why stage 2
[02:04] <peaker> for thaT?
[02:04] <peaker> cotyrothery: its just a file that needs to be there
[02:04] <Tm_T> nick_: yes, it does until you add backports repository
[02:04] <cotyrothery> oh
[02:04] <peaker> cotyrothery: it should then tell you which device contains it
[02:04] <peaker> cotyrothery: so you know where your root fs is
[02:04] <cotyrothery> peaker: ok
[02:05] <peaker> cotyrothery: then you can use "root WHATEVER IT SAID"
[02:05] <Tm_T> nick_: as I said, newest flash is in backports
[02:05] <peaker> cotyrothery: then you can use "setup (hd0)" to put grub's boot on the first hard disk
[02:05] <cotyrothery> ok
[02:05] <nick_> oh so i need to add backports for updated s/w?
[02:05] <cotyrothery> it found somthing
[02:05] <Netham46> anyone?
[02:05] <peaker> cotyrothery: you can also be aggressive and try "setup (hd1)" as well, but best to stick to the first hd at first
[02:05] <peaker> cotyrothery: what did it find?
[02:05] <cotyrothery> it found (hd0)
[02:05] <Tm_T> nick_: well, for updated flash atleast in this case
[02:05] <peaker> cotyrothery: that's not supposed to be possible
[02:06] <peaker> cotyrothery: it should find something comma something
[02:06] <peaker> cotyrothery: a partition in the disk, not the disk itself
[02:06] <cotyrothery> grub> find /boot/grub/stage2
[02:06] <cotyrothery>  (hd0,0)
[02:06] <peaker> cotyrothery: oh, (hd0,0) is NOT (hd0)
[02:06] <cotyrothery> ok
[02:06] <Mirth> If I have Ubuntu, install Kubuntu, and end up not liking it, can I install it and go back to Ubuntu?
[02:06] <cotyrothery> is that good
[02:06] <peaker> cotyrothery: so now "root (hd0,0)"
[02:06] <cotyrothery> alright
[02:06] <peaker> cotyrothery: and then "setup (hd0)"
[02:06] <nick_> well flash video works now
[02:06] <peaker> what does it say?
[02:06] <nick_> xelent
[02:06] <nick_> thank you
[02:07] <cotyrothery> ok did that
[02:07] <cotyrothery> should i reboot?
[02:07] <peaker> Mirth: to switch between ubuntu/kubuntu you just need to install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop
[02:07] <cotyrothery> peaker: should i reboot?
[02:07] <peaker> Mirth: removing all the packages that get installed in that procedure may be difficult but if disk space is not a problem - it shouldn't matter
[02:07] <peaker> cotyrothery: did it write some err or something?
[02:07] <cotyrothery> peaker: yes
[02:08] <Mirth> If I have the disk space, it won't slow me down having it on there?
[02:08] <peaker> cotyrothery: what did it write?
[02:08] <cotyrothery> Peaker: should i paste bin it
[02:08] <peaker> Mirth: contrary to what Windows people often get educated, a fuller disk doesn't run slower, neither does it weigh more kg's :)
[02:08] <_BS_> How do I get a kde menu or panel (quick launcher) sorted alphabetically?
[02:08] <Mirth> Ah, hehe!
[02:08] <cotyrothery> !paste
[02:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:08] <peaker> Mirth: Programs that actually run and consume resources may slow things down, but that's something else and usually only happens in the Windows world
[02:09] <Mirth> Ah, I see...
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> peaker: it does too slow thing down
[02:09] <Mirth> I'm too used to Windows to know any better :D
[02:09] <peaker> nosrednaekim: what does?
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> as the disc goes out towards the edge of the platter, it has longer seek times
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> a full disc
[02:09] <cotyrothery> peaker: im going to paste bin it
[02:09] <cotyrothery> peaker: then i will give yo the address
[02:09] <peaker> nosrednaekim: the file system is not necessarily that naive - and disk file writes are asynchronous anyhow
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> peaker: the file system has nothing to do with it.... when you get a full disc, you are using the outside of the platter...
[02:10] <AaronCampbell> How do I install nVidia drivers on Kubuntu (feisty)?  All the tutorials are for ubuntu, and ask you to use "Synaptic Package Manager"...which I don't see
[02:10] <peaker> nosrednaekim: swap access speed, lack of memory and cpu usage are the actual slowdown factors people usually consider, not a more spread-out disk
[02:10] <soulrider> yay! Diablo 2 works in wine out of the box!
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> AaronCampbell: use adept
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> instead of synaptic
[02:11] <soulrider> uhm, i think it kinda froze up =/
[02:11] <peaker> nosrednaekim: if he installs kde packages and switches back - his original ubuntu files still sit in the same spot in the disk
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> oh..yes...
[02:11] <soulrider> yeah... its dead >.<
[02:11] <peaker> nosrednaekim: and the file system does have something to do with it because it chooses where to physically place the data on disk
[02:11] <AaronCampbell> I tried that, but it didn't show any packages to install.  EVERYTHING showed as installed, and there was no nvidia-glx listed
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> I was just disputing what you said about a full disc not running slower
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> peaker: right, and it always chooses closer to the center
[02:12] <peaker> nosrednaekim: not in the way Windows users often think of "if you install more programs, the computer will come to a crawl"
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> right....
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> not in that sense at all
[02:12] <peaker> nosrednaekim: I am not sure it does - because that would make things very fragmented
[02:13] <peaker> nosrednaekim: (enlarge a file and it has to be fragmented to end of disk)
[02:14] <cotyrothery> peaker: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12432/
[02:14] <peaker> is there a serious penalty to copying over sftp, speed wise, compared to unencrypted methods?
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> peaker: would it do that?
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> I don't know..I'm no expert on file systems
[02:14] <peaker> nosrednaekim: I suspect it will leave out some space between files to prevent that
[02:15] <Netham46> (!!) dmx: The default visual for screen #0 does not match any of the
[02:15] <Netham46> (!!) dmx: consolidated visuals from Xinerama (listed above)
[02:15] <Netham46> Anyone got any ideas?
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> peaker: I don't think ext3 does that, but really I don't know
[02:15] <peaker> nosrednaekim: perhaps even leave as much space as possible, i.e: spread on as much of the disk as possible. But that's just speculation
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> peaker: that would be framentation...
[02:15] <Netham46> anyone... anyone at all?
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> and ext3 doesn't fragment
[02:15] <peaker> nosrednaekim: fragmentation of differing files is not as bad as fragmentation inside the same file
[02:16] <cotyrothery> peaker: so did it go good
[02:16] <mathias> hello
[02:16] <underdog5004> ext3 doesn't have a fragmentation problem
[02:16] <cotyrothery> peaker: what did you get from it
[02:16] <mathias> why not?
[02:16] <peaker> cotyrothery: I am no grub expert, but I think that should be good
[02:16] <cotyrothery> peaker: should it boot when i restart now
[02:16] <cotyrothery> ok
[02:16] <cotyrothery> peaker: restarting
[02:16] <peaker> nosrednaekim: when they say it does not fragment, they mean that a continous file is continous on disk
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> mathias: cause its designed that way
[02:17] <mathias> smart
[02:17] <peaker> nosrednaekim: obviously that will not always happen, its impossible
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> peaker: ahh....ok
[02:17] <philfo1> hola.  I'm learning slow, but need a commandline
[02:17] <peaker> ext3 attempts to prevent fragmentation, but space between files is not considered fragmentation, I don't think
[02:18] <philfo1> adept keeps closing on me at random, I need to install synaptic package manager
[02:18] <mathias> oh
[02:18] <mathias> also e
[02:18] <mathias> *me
[02:18] <mathias> i hate that problem
[02:18] <peaker> adept messed me up a few times so I am back to using apt-get in the commandl ine
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> philfo1: yeah... synptic is better
[02:19] <mathias> jaer it is
[02:19] <philfo1> so "sudo apt-get synptic" would be correct?
[02:19] <peaker> philfo1: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[02:19] <mathias> someone knows how to install 'emerald' themes ..?
[02:19] <peaker> apt-get can install, remove, etc
[02:19] <philfo1> thanks, I forgot install
[02:19] <peaker> brb
[02:20] <mathias> someone knows how to install 'emerald' themes ..?
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> mathias: just point to them with the emerald theme manager
[02:21] <philfo1> my slow computer problem is just about gone.  new build on a SCSI drive seem smuch faster.
[02:21] <jhutchins> !beryl | mathias
[02:21] <ubotu> mathias: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:21] <philfo1> the old kubuntu desktop partition was over an NTFS drive & there were corruptions.
[02:21] <mathias> ??nosrednaekim: i'm a dumbass  what's emerald.. where can i open it?
[02:21] <philfo1> starting with a clean slate is working out nice
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> mathias: in the beryl-manager
[02:22] <underdog5004> mathias, emerald is a theme manager...it allows you to choose different looks for your desktop
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> right click on the crystal in the taskbar
[02:22] <mathias> AHH,, THANKS
[02:23] <underdog5004> np
[02:23] <AaronCampbell> in adept, the "Full Upgrade" button acts as an update?  or an upgrade?  (Or is there a difference in kubuntu...I'm used to fedora or Centos)
[02:25] <AaronCampbell> basically, is it recommended to use?  Also, is there a way to automate updating so it happens every night?
[02:26] <BluesKaj> not like fedora , sudo apt-get update , is enuff once / day or afetr you edit or add repositories to the sourceslist
[02:26] <Tm_T> AaronCampbell: fully upgrade tries to update all apps, and solve problems if there is any (that means, might install extra packages and so)
[02:29] <BluesKaj> beware of full upgrades in adept or synaptic , cuz you may end up with pkges upgraed that need pkge depency upgrades as well .
[02:29] <BluesKaj> err dependency upgrades
[02:29] <soulrider> AaronCampbell: when you update, it downloads the package lists, full upgrade will make all new packages be added tot he list of downlaods, and hte apply button will donwload and install them
[02:30] <soulrider> i <3 aptitude
[02:31] <cotyrothery> woot woot
[02:31] <cotyrothery> i got it to work
[02:32] <cotyrothery> im so haaaaapppppyy
[02:32] <cotyrothery> Finally
[02:32] <cotyrothery> who can say WOOT WOOT
[02:32] <BluesKaj> congrats, cotyrothery!!!
[02:32] <cotyrothery> after weeks of stress and head aches
[02:32] <cotyrothery> i finally got it to work
[02:32] <cotyrothery> thanks
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> good job!!
[02:32] <mathias> someone's who want to help me installing beryl??,, thanks
[02:33] <cotyrothery> i had to mess around with the bios for a few mins
[02:33] <BluesKaj> welcome to wonderful world of kubuntu ...now the fun really statrs :0
[02:33] <peaker> cotyrothery: that worked?
[02:33] <cotyrothery> yep
[02:33] <peaker> cotyrothery: why did you have to mess with bios?
[02:33] <cotyrothery> to get the settings right
[02:33] <cotyrothery> i found out why it was not starting
[02:33] <peaker> cotyrothery: but what made it work? the grub change or the bios?
[02:33] <peaker> cotyrothery: so it was the bios all along?
[02:33] <cotyrothery> bios
[02:33] <cotyrothery> yes
[02:33] <Tm_T> !beryl | mathias
[02:33] <ubotu> mathias: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:33] <peaker> cotyrothery: heh what was it?
[02:33] <BluesKaj> boot sequence ?
[02:34] <cotyrothery> i had to change it to were it knew it was starting up linux
[02:34] <mathias> i know now. but how do i get to install it?
[02:34] <peaker> cotyrothery: what specific setting?
[02:34] <cotyrothery> i would have to look
[02:34] <peaker> cotyrothery: I thought you already had your hard disks in the boot sequence
[02:34] <cotyrothery> because i just fold around
[02:34] <cotyrothery> i did
[02:34] <mathias> i only have experience with installing programs from apt
[02:34] <cotyrothery> they were fine
[02:35] <cotyrothery> it was in my advance settings
[02:35] <BluesKaj> you mean you don't know what you did in the BIOS ?
[02:35] <cotyrothery> nope
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> not a good thing...lol
[02:35] <cotyrothery> not off the top of my head
[02:35] <BluesKaj> geezus
[02:35] <cotyrothery> if i went back into bios i would
[02:36] <BluesKaj> booted the 2nd HDD first i bet
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> yeah...
[02:36] <cotyrothery> no
[02:36] <cotyrothery> it had nothing to do with boot sequence
[02:36] <cotyrothery> there is a setting in advance settings you have to change
[02:37] <cotyrothery> to were it knows that it is not booting windows but linux
[02:38] <cotyrothery> could someone tell me why the internet is so slow
[02:38] <peaker> cotyrothery: so that bios has windows-specific assumptions about the boot sector its loading probably
[02:38] <peaker> cotyrothery: because of bittorrent and porn
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> oh the "plug and play os" option?
[02:39] <cotyrothery> peaker:
[02:39] <cotyrothery> Peaker: what
[02:39] <cotyrothery> peaker: yeah it does have a place were choose weather it is windows or linux
[02:39] <cotyrothery> great
[02:39] <cotyrothery> something is wrong with the internet browser
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> umm what?
[02:40] <allyppe> i mean, is there any way to keep a log of my installed packages in synaptic, but in order, so that i may know what i installed and when?
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> allyppe: yes, save your markings
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> its an option under "file"
[02:40] <allyppe> nosrednaekim: how do i save my markings?
[02:41] <allyppe> nosrednaekim: file? i don't understand
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> and make the file name the date...
[02:41] <allyppe> oh, wait
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> found it?
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> i'm pretty sure you can do it that way...
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> never tried
[02:42] <BluesKaj> allyppe, adept and synaptic will list all installed pkges if open to look
[02:43] <allyppe> BluesKaj, nosrednaekim: thanks
[02:43] <Netham46> can anyone help me with Xdmx?
[02:43] <Netham46> Im having issues with xinerama on it.
[02:43] <Netham46> (!!) dmx: The default visual for screen #0 does not match any of the
[02:43] <Netham46> (!!) dmx: consolidated visuals from Xinerama (listed above)
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> if noone can help you here... go over to #ubuntu
[02:45] <AaronCampbell> I haven't used adept for very long, but my biggest problem so far is that it doesn't show download speeds.  Is there a way to show that?
[02:46] <Netham46> nosrednaekim: Im banned for some reason.
[02:46] <Netham46> wtf...
[02:46] <Netham46> why am I banned...
[02:47] <BluesKaj> synaptic does,. AaronCampbell
[02:49] <raffytaffy> Tm_T: when does a new room on freenode appear on the channel list?
[02:49] <scotty> What can I use to have Kubuntu automatically connect to a specific wireless network on startup?
[02:49] <Tm_T> raffytaffy: no idea, I don't use those channel lists
[02:49] <raffytaffy> ok
[02:50] <scotty> What can I use to have Kubuntu automatically connect to a specific wireless network on startup?
[02:50] <scotty> Gah, sorry. Didn't mean to paste that again. But does anyone know how?
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> scotty: I believe its in "/etc/network/interfaces"
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[02:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> that was for my refernce BTW
[02:51] <fr0nk> hi
[02:51] <scotty> nosrednaekim: Yeah, but how do I get it to connect to my wireless network automatically? Like, hypothetically, let's say my wireless network is named "linksys" or something like that.
[02:52] <fr0nk> i have kubuntu 6.10 installed and now want to enable beryl
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> just a second
[02:52] <fr0nk> i already installed the proprietary nvidia drivers
[02:52] <raffytaffy> never name your network linksys and leave admin as your password:P
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> scotty: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12442/
[02:53] <fr0nk> btw packet management on ubuntu=KILLER!
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> !beryl | fr0nk
[02:53] <ubotu> fr0nk: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:54] <fr0nk> thanks :)
[02:54] <scotty> nosrednaekim: I edit that to my essid and my interface, correct?
[02:54] <raffytaffy> apt-get was what won me over to the debian side from using emerge
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> yes
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> or rather, place that under the section that alreADY exists for your interface
[02:54] <fr0nk> but apt-get has much more userfriendly frontends than emerge ;P
[02:55] <fr0nk> i'm impressed
[02:55] <fr0nk> <- coming from gentoo
[02:55] <raffytaffy> emerge has kurphoo
[02:55] <raffytaffy> or h/e its spelled
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> kuroo
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> or porthole
[02:55] <scotty> nosrednaekim: thanks
[02:55] <raffytaffy> i just used emerge back then:P we didnt have auto gentoo like these days
[02:56] <arg> hey all I'm having some problems in unreal tournament. I have no sound running dapper
[02:56] <scotty> Be back in a minute, we'll see how it works :P
[02:58] <epimeth> how do I change the display window size of x?  I have a 1280x800 laptop screen
[02:58] <raffytaffy> !wireless
[02:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:58] <arg> resolution?
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: whats your video card?
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> and I assume you are using 1024x768 now...
[02:59] <BluesKaj> BBL TVTime..
[02:59] <epimeth> nosrednaekim:  Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[02:59] <raffytaffy> epimeth : what video card
[02:59] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: I assume so
[02:59] <raffytaffy> epimeth
[02:59] <raffytaffy> i know how
[02:59] <fr0nk> how can i change the resolution on the login-screen?
[02:59] <epimeth> raffytaffy: ^
[02:59] <fr0nk> kubuntu takes some kind of sick 20...x...
[02:59] <fr0nk> 2048?
[02:59] <raffytaffy> epimeth: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto#head-0e3051713171cb5d1bf49dc2dc7bea24eb9ed83e
[02:59] <fr0nk> sort of
[03:00] <fr0nk> ah :D
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> !915resolution | epimeth
[03:00] <ubotu> epimeth: 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2-4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 14 kB, installed size 128 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[03:00] <raffytaffy> epimeth -> guide to i915 ->  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto#head-0e3051713171cb5d1bf49dc2dc7bea24eb9ed83e
[03:03] <arg> anybody have any advice to help me get some sound in ut99?
[03:04] <epimeth> waaait... how do I know I actually have a problem?  what is the 'regular' way of doing this?
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> thats the regular way of doing it
[03:05] <cotyrothery> Can someone give me a better internet browser to install
[03:05] <cotyrothery> because konversation is SLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOwWWWWWWWW
[03:05] <benderleet> hi I have a Intel Core 2 duo and i am not sure if I downloaded the right version
[03:05] <Tm_T> cotyrothery: konversation? browser?
[03:05] <benderleet> should i dl 64bit?
[03:05] <cotyrothery> yea it is slow
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> benderleet: it doesn't matter
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> cotyrothery: get firefox
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> konqueror is slow
[03:06] <cotyrothery> ok
[03:06] <cotyrothery> i noticed
[03:06] <cotyrothery> why is that
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> IPv6
[03:07] <cotyrothery> what is that
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> !IPv6
[03:07] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> oh sweet... didn't know that was on there...
[03:07] <cotyrothery> lol
[03:07] <benderleet> i got kubuntu-6.06.1 and when it says uncompressing linux... ok, booting the Kernel. it just stays there
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> how long did you let it sit?
[03:08] <benderleet> I was thinking because of my processor
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> not your processor
[03:08] <cotyrothery> man i am loving kubuntu
[03:09] <benderleet> do you know what it is?
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> benderleet: could be your chipset...try getting edgy...
[03:10] <benderleet> do they have a site that tells you the chipset for the version
[03:10] <cotyrothery> how do i install firefox from adept
[03:11] <cotyrothery> I clicked request so now what
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> say apply or something...
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> I don't use adept..
[03:12] <cotyrothery> were would i find that
[03:12] <benderleet> omg this guy has the same problem as me but no one answered it
[03:12] <benderleet> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2205572
[03:12] <benderleet> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2205572
[03:13] <cotyrothery> Does anyone know how to use adept manager
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> cotyrothery: just a sec
[03:13] <cotyrothery> ok
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> cotyrothery: ok, if you requested a firefox install , then click the "apply changes button"
[03:14] <cotyrothery> were is that
[03:14] <cotyrothery> the apply button
[03:14] <cotyrothery> i see it
[03:14] <cotyrothery> but it wont let me click on it
[03:15] <VR_> is there any way to remove those tabs on konqueror, on the left side, and still keep the tree view
[03:15] <VR_> ?
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> did you start adept with root priveledges? i.e did it prompt you for  password when it started?
[03:16] <cotyrothery> never mind i got it
[03:16] <cotyrothery> thanks
[03:17] <cotyrothery> there are so many thinks to choose from
[03:17] <cotyrothery> it makes me feel so good inside
[03:17] <cotyrothery> there is no limit to what i can get
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> lol
[03:19] <cotyrothery> I will never use windows again
[03:20] <benderleet> *cry* i dl the worng ver. at least i think
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> good...
[03:20] <jarn> What is the Linux equivalent to the Character Map?
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> character map?
[03:20] <cotyrothery> Thanks everone who helped me get kubuntu running i owe you
[03:20] <jarn> Where it has special characters, characters with accents and things.
[03:20] <martalli> Do you mean an on-screen keyboard?
[03:20] <benderleet> it shows you all characters and alt keys for them
[03:20] <jarn> Yeah.
[03:21] <frutax> this is going to seem like a really general question but: i previously used gnome with ubuntu, but recently switched to kubuntu and have been noticing an overall reduced performance. specifically: things get wildly choppy after Beryl being on for a while, and even with it off window movement can get extremely choppy. any guesses? (i have 1GB memory and a great nvidia card)
[03:21] <benderleet> i think kubuntu comes with one
[03:21] <benderleet> ive seen it
[03:21] <jarn> What is it called?
[03:21] <jarn> Do you know?
[03:21] <martalli> KCharSelect I think
[03:22] <benderleet> hmm ill look
[03:22] <jarn> Yep, that's it.
[03:22] <jarn> Thanks much!
[03:22] <intelikey> is there any way to turn the "backlight" down or off for consoles ?
[03:23] <cotyrothery> peaker: thanks for the help
[03:23] <martalli> jarn, Well, kcharselect is what you are looking for, but for osme reason it is not installed by default.
[03:23] <cotyrothery> and everyone else
[03:23] <jarn> martalli: I have it installed.
[03:23] <nixternal> posingaspopular: ok, you are fine
[03:23] <posingaspopular> nixternal, yea i was just watching house
[03:24] <benderleet> muuuhahahahaha here it is http://sourceforge.net/projects/umap/
[03:24] <cotyrothery> is kubuntu 6.10 better than kubuntu 6.06
[03:25] <cotyrothery> because i am on 6.06
[03:25] <posingaspopular> cotyrothery, imho, 6.10 sucks all over ubuntu
[03:25] <posingaspopular> i very much like 6.06 more than 6.10
[03:25] <posingaspopular> waiting for feisty fawn to come out in april
[03:25] <VR_> i feel .06 is more stable myself
[03:26] <cotyrothery> why is that
[03:26] <cotyrothery> so i guess i will stick with 6.06
[03:26] <jarn> benderleet: Thanks. :)
[03:26] <martalli> I have to admit some fondness for 6.06, too, although I am a beta hog (using feisty right now
[03:26] <VR_> just a few things here and there... when i insert a cd (in 6.10) it doesn't moun on the desktop
[03:27] <VR_> mount*
[03:27] <benderleet> do i have to have edgy for a core 2 duo
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> I like 6:10 better
[03:27] <martalli> Honestly, my main gripe was that  games required more oomph.  After upgrading to 6.10, my son's computer couldn't play supertux, since it would only allow you to play with opengl, not the sdl libs anymore =(
[03:27] <cotyrothery> how do i disable that ipv6
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> !ipv6
[03:27] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[03:27] <cotyrothery> i am
[03:28] <cotyrothery> i dont understand it
[03:28] <martalli> But we are going to fix that with a pci video card, then he can have switcher, scale, and the cube, like daddy's computer
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> I've never done it myself..I just use firefox
[03:28] <cotyrothery> ok so firefox should do the trick then
[03:29] <dirgedoll> hey i have a question, I have kubuntu version 6.06 and I want to open a tar file how do I do that? thanks!
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> dirgedoll: use ark
[03:29] <dthacker> dirgedoll: command line or click?
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> or from the command line, "tar xvzf name.tgz
[03:29] <posingaspopular> !tar
[03:29] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[03:30] <dirgedoll> is command line like console?
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> .zip works too..
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[03:30] <martalli> Will disabllng ipv6 cause any problems?  When will our providers start to switch over?  When the US goes metric or maybe sooner?
[03:30] <benderleet> do i have to have edgy for a core 2 duo
[03:30] <posingaspopular> dirgedoll, yes
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> martalli: maybe,but you can always reenable it
[03:32] <dirgedoll> I'm still having problems
[03:32] <martalli> I wonder if that will speed up my browsers at work.  They are really slow at tome
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> dirgedoll: with what?
[03:32] <dirgedoll> nm i have the link thanks
[03:33] <benderleet> does anyone know what version of kubunto works with intel core 2 duo
[03:34] <benderleet> no one?
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> benderleet: its probably not your CPU, it may be your chipset
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> give edgy a try
[03:35] <slestak> anyone good with dhcp debugging.   ihave one laptop (upgraded fiesty) that refuses to configure via dhcp.
[03:36] <benderleet> crap it took me over a week to dl drake
[03:36] <slestak> dnsmasg on the server does not even log the request
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> slestak: what the output look likr?
[03:36] <fiyawerx> hey guys, anyone have personal preferences between 20" widescreen and 19" regular lcds?
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> benderleet: ahh....
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> bigger is better,...
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> and more expensive...
[03:36] <slestak> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
[03:37] <benderleet> get 19 they are cheap and big
[03:37] <benderleet> get nec
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> or hyundai
[03:37] <benderleet> yah
[03:37] <slestak> nosrednaekim: i am stepping through with command line actions found in kubuntu forum, that is the output from sudo dhclient eth1
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> oh..ok
[03:37] <fiyawerx> i have a 19" lcd, just ordere d a 20" widescreen for 199 after rebate
[03:38] <fiyawerx> just looking for opinions on the physicality of it
[03:38] <AaronCampbell> I added nvidia-glx via adept.  How do I start using them?  I want to be able to use both of my monitors on my 8800GTS
[03:38] <slestak> nosrednaekim: i have dnsmasq running on another machine with its log going in mutlitail, at least 4 other machines do receive dhcp from this server.
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> slestak: is that wireless?
[03:38] <slestak> nosrednaekim: yes, worked fine with edgy
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> slestak: atheros?
[03:39] <_BS_> How do I make a windows share into a mount point?
[03:39] <posingaspopular> !mount
[03:39] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:39] <slestak> nosrednaekim: intel 3945ABG
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> oh...ok...
[03:39] <intelikey> how do i get the kernel to stop sending white light to the background ?   everything is * on grey
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> with atheros I was having the same problem, I could accosiate., but I couldn't get a IP address
[03:40] <tulio__> !mp3
[03:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:41] <slestak> nosrednaekim: i tried manualconfig, but network manager kept reporting my gateway address was invalid, but it was what i have always used.
[03:41] <metalluver222> hello
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> slestak: I'm not too good with netoworking...
[03:41] <metalluver222> would anyone know how to get around the encryption on k3b to rip a dvd
[03:42] <slestak> does k3b rip?  i didnt think so.
[03:42] <metalluver222> well
[03:42] <metalluver222> copy a dvd
[03:42] <metalluver222> i tryed doing one today, says Found a encryption
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> no.... k3b does not rib dvds
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> *rip
[03:43] <tulio__> does kubuntu come with support for dual processor
[03:44] <metalluver222> So is there any good software to copy a dvd to a blank
[03:44] <slestak> hmm.  the wired nic eth0 works with dhcp fine.
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> tulio__: yes
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> slestak: probably a problem with fiesty's dirver...
[03:45] <cam8001> metalluver: k3b
[03:45] <slestak> tulio__: if the output of uname -a mentions SMP, it is already enabled for you
[03:45] <democracy> Hi, Netham45.
[03:45] <metalluver222> ... it says Found encrypted dvd
[03:46] <intelikey> !smp
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <posingaspopular> dcss i believe it is metalluver222
[03:47] <intelikey> !generic
[03:47] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[03:47] <posingaspopular> erm DeCSS
[03:47] <intelikey> slestak ^
[03:48] <metalluver222> thank you
[03:49] <slestak> intelikey: yes?
[03:51] <gould> hola a todos
[03:51] <intelikey> !es | gould
[03:51] <ubotu> gould: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:51] <slestak> man, Network Manager needs some work.  Uses some serious cpu cycles on my laptop.
[03:52] <gould> ok thx
[03:54] <tulio__> slestak: #2 SMP
[03:54] <tulio__> something like that
[03:54] <tulio__> and more things
[03:55] <slestak> tulio__: yes, that give your hostname, kernel lots of stuff
[03:55] <slestak> !uname
[03:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uname - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:56] <tulio__> thanks man
[03:56] <tulio__> damn i cant make my button of the interrogation works
[03:57] <martalli> Type "uname -a"
[03:58] <martalli> If you want to read more about it, type "man uname" at the terminal
[03:59] <tulio__> how do i know the version of the kubuntu installed
[03:59] <intelikey> tulio__ lsb_release -a
[04:00] <tulio__> thanks
[04:01] <Admiral_Chicago> seems I was guilted into comming here tonight :(
[04:01] <tulio__> does anyone have a tutorial of how to install beryl and xgl
[04:02] <tulio__> !xgl
[04:02] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:02] <tulio__> !beryl
[04:02] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:03] <posingaspopular> Admiral_Chicago, you got hijacked too?
[04:03] <Admiral_Chicago> yup
[04:04] <wendy> i need help in spanish for kubuntu
[04:04] <Admiral_Chicago> hello room.
[04:04] <Admiral_Chicago> !es | wendy
[04:04] <ubotu> wendy: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:04] <tulio__> !pt-br
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pt-br - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago guilted ?  how so ?
[04:04] <tulio__> !pt
[04:04] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[04:04] <BluesKaj> hey Admiral_Chicago
[04:04] <tulio__> hehehe
[04:05] <epimeth> hello Admiral, sir!
[04:05] <hsystem-x> lol.
[04:06] <AaronCampbell> how can I boot to a prompt if X isn't starting...
[04:07] <bonbonthejon> AaronCampbell: if x isn't starting, doesn't it boot to prompt
[04:07] <_BS_> Any feisty pilot-link'ers here?
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> AaronCampbell: ctrl-alt-f1,2, etc.
[04:08] <AaronCampbell> bonbonthejon: not for me
[04:08] <AaronCampbell> hitmanWilly: that's *if* it boots to X
[04:08] <bonbonthejon> AaronCampbell: look up at hitmanWilly
[04:09] <bonbonthejon> AaronCampbell: alt-f1 should boot into console, or else boot into the debug option in grub
[04:09] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: we got pushed to do more work in the loco channel :)
[04:10] <Admiral_Chicago> hey BluesKaj, didn't see your msg
[04:10] <epimeth> ahoy Jucato!
[04:10] <intelikey> anyone know a way to turn down the "brightness" from software when the hardware is already at minimum ?
[04:10] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago :)
[04:10] <Admiral_Chicago> no idea, system settings I think has that
[04:10] <Jucato> hi epimeth
[04:11] <BluesKaj> np Admiral_Chicago, don't feel too guilty about it :)
[04:11] <posingaspopular> intelikey, change the setting on the monitor?
[04:11] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago you wouldn't call us krazy would ya ?
[04:11] <Jucato> intelikey: kcontrol -> Peripherals -> Display? (Although I only see Color & Gamma)
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> KMenu >> System Settings >> Monitor & Display >>  maybe
[04:11] <intelikey> posingaspopular i just said the hardware was at 0 already.
[04:12] <intelikey> Jucato console
[04:12] <Jucato> intelikey: ah...
[04:12] <intelikey> but thanks for the gui methood.
[04:12] <Jucato> wow posingaspopular and Admiral_Chicago
[04:12] <Jucato> :D
[04:12] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[04:12] <posingaspopular> intelikey, ohhh right sorry, i dont speak english too well.
[04:12] <posingaspopular> xD
[04:12] <truevox> Wow. I love linux. There's always someone home. :D
[04:12] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: man Richard told us to do more work in #kubuntu....
[04:13] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: hahaha!
[04:13] <Admiral_Chicago> busy as all heck.
[04:13] <intelikey> they don't like us....
[04:13] <truevox> Anyone here install Kubuntu on a Dell Lappy?
[04:13] <Jucato> yeah... :(
[04:13] <bonbonthejon> truevox: whats the problem
[04:14] <truevox> Bobbobthejon: Well, it's a question regarding how to get AIGLX up and running with my Intel 915 oriented card.
[04:14] <Admiral_Chicago> truevox: there is a laptops wiki page.
[04:14] <epimeth> my samba won't even find itself :-(
[04:15] <truevox> Admiral_Chicago: Is there? Would it have what I'm looking for? And... can you help me find it?
[04:15] <truevox> <------ N00b.
[04:15] <Admiral_Chicago> !laptop
[04:15] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[04:15] <Admiral_Chicago> the third link truevox
[04:15] <truevox> That... is freakin' handy.
[04:15] <truevox> !hotchix
[04:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hotchix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:15] <epimeth> truevox: using it right now
[04:15] <truevox> Huh. I didn't work so well for me. :)
[04:15] <Admiral_Chicago> that won't work. it doesn't know everything.
[04:15] <_BS_> epimeth: Load samba server.
[04:16] <intelikey> truevox it's not that handy
[04:16] <truevox> Epimeth: Really? How? One of the laptop wikkys? And thanks Admiral, trying #3 right now.
[04:16] <epimeth> _BS_: that was about as useful as a fork in a soup eating competition
[04:16] <bonbonthejon> !aiglx
[04:16] <ubotu> AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-effects for support.
[04:16] <epimeth> truevox: just installed straight out :-)
[04:17] <epimeth> truevox: just need to install the 915 thingy to make everything perfect, but I'm not stressing
[04:17] <_BS_> epimeth: (-: Go into your favourite package manager (i.e. synaptic), search samba. The samba server should be eaily seen.
[04:17] <dffd> ne diyorsunuz
[04:17] <dffd> amk
[04:17] <truevox> epimeth: How'd you get it to, uh, run? Did you have to do anything? 'Cuz I installed "Desktop Effects" but that just crashed my comp with a white screen when I ran it.
[04:18] <dffd> yarraklar
[04:18] <dffd> :)
[04:18] <_BS_> epimeth: OK, let's back up. What are you trying to do? / When you said it can't see itself, what do you mean?
[04:19] <epimeth> _BS_: oh, you misunderstood... I've already configured samba :-)  trust me, I *know* samba... got a pdc running and everything at my old job
[04:20] <epimeth> _BS_: what I mean is that smb:/ in konq fails... dies... claims that nothing exists
[04:20] <epimeth> "cannot find any workgroups in your network"
[04:20] <intelikey>  //
[04:21] <epimeth> truevox: dunno what "Desktop Effects" is... but I installed beryl with no problems
[04:22] <Mena> I hope They make Jetaudio also foe linux :)
[04:22] <lnxkde> someone here uses dual monitors?
[04:22] <Mena> for*
[04:22] <lnxkde> Widescreen flatpanel and a CRT 17?
[04:22] <truevox> epimeth: So... do I just install Beryl? Is that what you did?
[04:22] <Admiral_Chicago> epimeth: that is a package in Feisty
[04:22] <epimeth> truevox: dunno of *you* should just install beryl
[04:22] <[uti-ypy] > epimeth:  beryl = kubuntu too ?? or gnome only ?
[04:23] <truevox> lol
[04:23] <lnxkde> someone here uses dual monitors Widescreen flatpanel and a CRT 17 on nvidia card?
[04:23] <Admiral_Chicago> [uti-ypy] : both
[04:23] <intelikey> !beryl > [uti-ypy] 
[04:23] <bonbonthejon> lnxkde: yeah
[04:23] <epimeth> truevox: what do you get when you run $glxinfo | grep direct
[04:23] <lnxkde> bonbonthejon:  can you send me your xorg.conf?
[04:23] <epimeth> Admiral_Chicago: wha?
[04:24] <_BS_> epimeth: Strange. Works for me. Sorry can't help. Feels like you have no master browser / netbios turned off sort of thing. Try rebooting one local machine. After it's been up for a minute, does your smb:/ then at least see that?
[04:24] <Admiral_Chicago> epimeth: its for both KDE and GNOME
[04:24] <bonbonthejon> lnxkde: are you using nvidia driver
[04:24] <lnxkde> yep
[04:24] <bonbonthejon> lnxkde: use the NVIDIA settings?
[04:24] <epimeth> _BS_: I set the lappy as wins server... the lappy is the one I'm complaining about :-p
[04:24] <epimeth> _BS_: grrrr
[04:25] <_BS_> epimeth: More importantly / easily, assuming you have 3 machines ... does the other machine browse anything?
[04:25] <truevox> epimeth: A lot of stuff.
[04:25] <truevox> truevox@dreamer:~$ lspci|grep VGA
[04:25] <truevox> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[04:25] <epimeth> _BS_: the only reason I need this right now is cuz neither of my desktop's burners seem to be working
[04:25] <truevox> Wait, wrong paste.
[04:25] <truevox> X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[04:25] <truevox>   Major opcode of failed request:  142 (GLX)
[04:25] <truevox>   Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_GLXCreateContext)
[04:25] <truevox>   Serial number of failed request:  16
[04:25] <truevox>   Current serial number in output stream:  17
[04:25] <epimeth> Admiral_Chicago: what is????
[04:25] <intelikey> i tried yestergo to get nvidia to work, and successfully failed miserably at it.  had to go back to nv.     tried everything on the page too.
[04:26] <epimeth> truevox: that doesn't make sense... you shouldn't get more than one thing for grep direct
[04:26] <_BS_> epimeth: But for that purpose, wins shouldn't be needed.
[04:26] <epimeth> _BS_: I'll try :-)
[04:26] <epimeth> _BS_: I know... figured it can't hurt
[04:26] <tulio__> is there any other software manager for kubuntu then adept
[04:26] <truevox> No, the first paste was from a previous command.
[04:26] <cotyrothery> So what programe should i get for coding
[04:26] <intelikey> tulio__ snyaptic
[04:27] <cotyrothery> I need a programe for coding in c++
[04:27] <truevox> epimeth: Just the second part, after X Error etc.
[04:27] <intelikey> tulio__ cli   apt aptitude and dselect
[04:27] <bonbonthejon> cotyrothery: kate is good, or kdevelop
[04:27] <cotyrothery> ok
[04:27] <cotyrothery> thanks
[04:28] <Jucato> cotyrothery: if you're just beginning, any text editor will do. Kate for GUI, vim/emacs for command line stuff if you want
[04:28] <Jucato> KDevelop is a full IDE
[04:28] <cotyrothery> i like the full ide
[04:28] <epimeth> truevox: 'direct' doesn't even appear there....
[04:28] <_BS_> epimeth: Regardless, where you're headed isn't wrong, but you'd want one of the desktops to be wins server. De-complicate your life for a second, turn off wins server [which by the way, won't see a machine until it boots and reports to the wins server] , then see what happens. A master browser should be decided upon by the machines in the meantime. Once all works (or even if not?) turn wins on on a desktop. Do the other 2 now browse each other ok,
[04:28] <_BS_> after each reboots?
[04:28] <epimeth> truevox: you sure you doing this correctly? :-)
[04:28] <truevox> truevox@dreamer:~$ glxinfo | grep direct
[04:28] <truevox> X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[04:28] <truevox>   Major opcode of failed request:  142 (GLX)
[04:28] <truevox>   Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_GLXCreateContext)
[04:28] <truevox>   Serial number of failed request:  16
[04:28] <truevox>   Current serial number in output stream:  17
[04:29] <Admiral_Chicago> !paste | truevox
[04:29] <ubotu> truevox: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:29] <epimeth> _BS_: the desktop sees itself, the laptop, *and* a windows desktop
[04:29] <intelikey> tulio__ or one could use dpkg raw with no frontend which is what all those mentioned are, frontends for dpkg
[04:29] <truevox> That's what I'm supposed to type, right? I hope... I'm too noobish.
[04:29] <truevox> Sorry, Admiral. Again, noobish.
[04:29] <epimeth> _BS_: I'll turn off wins and reboot... maybe it'll find stuff when it's *not* the master browser....
[04:29] <Admiral_Chicago> its fine, i did that before too
[04:29] <_BS_> epimeth: Is wins server turn on anywhere else?
[04:30] <tulio__> damn my kubuntu is giving me so much problems
[04:30] <tulio__> dont know why
[04:30] <tulio__> ubuntu just aint like this
[04:30] <epimeth> _BS_: shouldn't be... also, samba puts its priority level way high, so I guess the desktop is the master browser atm...
[04:30] <_BS_> epimeth: if so, your laptop lost the election war. Regardless, strange that it didn't suck up a machine list from another wins server.
[04:30] <yuriy> hmm i have an interesting situation
[04:30] <yuriy> a friend wants to set up dial-up on a kubuntu machine
[04:30] <intelikey> tulio__ they are the same os  just different default packages
[04:31] <epimeth> _BS_: you can say that again... I'll try the reboot... brb
[04:31] <yuriy> but they don't actually have the service yet -- presumably the earthlink cd should install it and help them sign up
[04:31] <cotyrothery> i cant find kdevelop on adept manager
[04:31] <yuriy> but that's a windows installer
[04:31] <yuriy> so, any ideas?
[04:31] <Admiral_Chicago> its in universe
[04:31] <Jucato> yuriy: I think there's Earthlink for Linux? MEPIS has an icon for it on their desktop
[04:32] <Jucato> cotyrothery: enable the universe repository
[04:32] <bonbonthejon> yuriy: maybe find the phone numbers
[04:32] <cotyrothery> ok
[04:32] <_BS_> epimeth: If no other wins server, then things haven't registered with laptop. Don't know samba wins well enough to be specific, but in Windows you can play inadvertently to say not to become master browser and suck up list from current master browser.
[04:32] <cotyrothery> how do i enable universe repository
[04:32] <Admiral_Chicago> okay I have a *ton* of homework to do. I'll help out much later. bbl
[04:32] <tulio__> intelikey: i know, but things seemed to look a lot more easy in ubuntu
[04:32] <Admiral_Chicago> !repo | cotyrothery
[04:32] <ubotu> cotyrothery: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:33] <tulio__> i cant add repos in the adept
[04:33] <tulio__> i dont know what to do
[04:33] <tulio__> my keybord doesnt recognize a button
[04:33] <intelikey> tulio__ yes gnome majors in dirrect unidimentional ease of use.  whereas kde masters in configurability/customizability
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[04:34] <tulio__> yeah
[04:35] <tulio__> i was using ubuntu but i doesnt seem to have the gcc so i tryied the kubuntu
[04:35] <bonbonthejon> tulio__: you can install it
[04:35] <bonbonthejon> !source-o-matic | tulio__
[04:35] <ubotu> tulio__: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:35] <intelikey> tulio__ it's not default on any *buntu distro
[04:36] <intelikey> !b-e | tulio__
[04:36] <ubotu> tulio__: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:36] <epimeth> back!
[04:36] <epimeth> aaaand
[04:36] <epimeth> god I hate computers
[04:36] <posingaspopular> Admiral_Chicago, ttyl, afk for thenight
[04:37] <intelikey> !keyboard | tulio__ useful keyboard information #
[04:37] <ubotu> tulio__ useful keyboard information #: To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[04:37] <epimeth> heh... and on the lappy the hebrew appears *before* the english
[04:37] <cotyrothery> um
[04:37] <AaronCampbell> I added nvidia-glx via adept.  How do I start using them?  I want to be able to use both of my monitors on my 8800GTS
[04:37] <cotyrothery> some sites require that i have flash player
[04:37] <cotyrothery> so what do i do
[04:37] <charles> I could use some help with gnu java and the new DST
[04:38] <charles> flashplayer, funny you ask
[04:38] <epimeth> what kills me is that I had samba set up as not wins support before, when it didn't work... then turned it on, still didn't work... turned it off and it works now
[04:38] <epimeth> grrr
[04:38] <tulio__> the keyboard seem to be well configured, at least the other button are ok, but the interrogation doesnt appear
[04:38] <bonbonthejon> AaronCampbell: did you change xorg.conf
[04:38] <AaronCampbell> bonbonthejon: nope
[04:38] <truevox> cotyrothery: What I did, is just installed firefox. Then, when given the option of flashplayer, it'll install it itself.
[04:39] <truevox> cotyrothery: YMMV, of course.
[04:39] <bonbonthejon> AaronCampbell: in xorg.conf, change "nv" to "nvidia"
[04:39] <cotyrothery> how
[04:39] <Jucato> cotyrothery: you cain install the package "flashplugin-nonfree" from multiverse
[04:39] <_BS_> epimeth
[04:40] <epimeth> _BS_: y0
[04:40] <intelikey> :)
[04:40] <epimeth> intelikey: whats so funny?
[04:41] <intelikey> typos can be...
[04:41] <Jucato> s/cain/can :D
[04:41] <truevox> epimeth: So, any idea what this stuff means?: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12456/
[04:42] <_BS_> epimeth: Sorry, hit enter when I shouldn't. Two points: In a small enough network (<20?) default mechanisms work fine. Various timeouts / announcements mean when starting/stopping they don't learn of things until something reboots.
[04:42] <AaronCampbell> bonbonthejon: "grep -in nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf" gives nothing
[04:42] <charles> is there a way of fixing the DST issue in gnu java?????????
[04:43] <bonbonthejon> AaronCampbell: look in xorg.conf and see what driver your card is using
[04:43] <_BS_> epimeth: Means 'computer unhappy'! (-:
[04:43] <AaronCampbell> vesa
[04:44] <cotyrothery> hey i have seen people make there monitor act weird with linux
[04:44] <cotyrothery> were it like a cube that they can move around
[04:44] <AaronCampbell> bonbonthejon: I tried to change it to "nv" earlier, and when I hit the "test" button, the screen went black for a REALLY long time...I ended up resetting
[04:44] <epimeth> _BS_: 6 computers, mate... and I keep putting off setting up a proper server, including wins... why do something today when I can do it tomorow?
[04:44] <epimeth> :-)
[04:45] <bonbonthejon> AaronCampbell: ok, try changing to nvidia, maybe
[04:45] <cotyrothery> how can i make my desktop act like that
[04:45] <epimeth> _BS_: and you meant to send that to truevox... who just left apparently....
[04:45] <epimeth> and I was gonna help him, too
[04:45] <bonbonthejon> cotyrothery: what do you mean
[04:46] <cotyrothery> like they can click on the side of there screen and move the screen around like its a cube
[04:46] <bonbonthejon> !beryl | cotyrothery
[04:46] <ubotu> cotyrothery: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:46] <cotyrothery> ok thanks
[04:49] <intelikey> lol
[04:51] <cotyrothery> kubuntu is so FAST
[04:51] <cotyrothery> im so used to slow windows xp
[04:52] <_BS_> epimeth: Been there, am there, and going where you are too ... some day. Correct solution: dynamic dns. Set up DHCP / DNS, assign static DHCP entries. Forget for sure next step, but latest (CHS?, forget) DNS server does dynamic. In theory, wins, smb, and the whole netbios nonsense goes away.
[04:52] <tulio__> how do i look my graphic card details
[04:53] <epimeth> _BS_: don't forget setting up bind properly!
[04:54] <bonbonthejon> tulio__: what do you mean, you can look in lspci
[04:54] <Berto> hi - is there a guide to sound in ubuntu?  i have KDE's sound system off, and i can't run more than one sound app at once.  I would like to use XMMS
[04:54] <intelikey> tulio__   lshw | less
[04:54] <_BS_> epimeth: Exactly. All these nitpicky little things, nntp, ident, finger, etc., etc., ETC. ... Why do you think _I_ haven't done it yet EITHER!
[04:55] <vit> que es esto
[04:55] <bonbonthejon> !es | vit
[04:55] <ubotu> vit: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:55] <epimeth> what kills me is I had it all working... then I went "but lets get it working in debian!  kubuntu loads tons of useless packages by default... I want this baby to fly!"  and then didn't save the configs
[04:56] <intelikey> !sound > Berto
[04:56] <tulio__> thanks
[04:56] <cotyrothery> there is one thing i have noticed about kubuntu
[04:57] <cotyrothery> when i run to many apps
[04:57] <cotyrothery> the screens pops up with all sorts of colors
[04:57] <_BS_> epimeth: Yeah, well, at least you know the sorts of things you're looking for. A hint I hope to follow myself when I get that far - I expect once I do it I'll have to present it at my local Linux groups. So I'd better take good notes along the way! (-:
[04:57] <cotyrothery> then they go away
[04:57] <cotyrothery> and a blue box comes up telling me to check my screen settings
[04:57] <Berto> intelikey, thanks.  when I have ARTS running, XMMS's OSS plugin doesn't work though.  And their ALSA one stinks :(  is there OSS emulation?
[04:58] <intelikey> Berto alsa-oss  ?      i'm not a sound man.
[04:58] <intelikey> that looks odd .
[04:58] <Berto> intelikey, ok cool, thanks for the linkage though!
[04:59] <intelikey> Berto np
[04:59] <_BS_> epimeth: 'night.
[05:00] <intelikey> cotyrothery got any swap enabled ?   sounds somewhat like vidio trying to use ram that it don't have.
[05:00] <cotyrothery> i dont know
[05:00] <intelikey> free
[05:00] <cotyrothery> were would i check for that
[05:01] <intelikey> konsole # free
[05:01] <cotyrothery> ok
[05:01] <cotyrothery> and what do i do once im there
[05:02] <intelikey> don't panic at the first line that says you have 4m of free ram.  the second line is what you expect from such things.     and the third line lists the swap if any.
[05:02] <cotyrothery> nothing happend
[05:03] <intelikey> you typed     free ?
[05:03] <cotyrothery> yes
[05:03] <intelikey> and it didn't say anything ?
[05:03] <cotyrothery> it did
[05:03] <cotyrothery> but i dont think it is what it should be
[05:03] <intelikey> ok the third line of info    swap
[05:04] <cotyrothery> hmm
[05:04] <intelikey> if it looks like this     Swap:            0          0          0
[05:04] <cotyrothery> nope
[05:04] <intelikey> you don't have any swap activated
[05:04] <cotyrothery> it does not
[05:04] <cotyrothery> i guess not
[05:05] <cotyrothery> how would i enable it
[05:05] <cotyrothery> ok
[05:05] <intelikey> and show me.
[05:06] <cotyrothery> nothing happened
[05:06] <philfo1> how do I find the ID's of my drives so I can mount them?
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> cotyrothery: did u cap Swap?
[05:07] <intelikey> philfo1 device id's ?   or fs uuid's ?
[05:07] <cotyrothery> no
[05:07] <cotyrothery> ok now it worked
[05:07] <cotyrothery> when i caped it
[05:07] <cotyrothery> Swap:       457812      38140     419672
[05:07] <intelikey> wow yes you are all used up.
[05:08] <intelikey> it is not a case of "no swap" it is a case of not enough swap.
[05:08] <philfo1> devices.  harddrives
[05:08] <cotyrothery> so what do i do
[05:08] <intelikey> philfo1 sudo fdisk -l
[05:09] <intelikey> cotyrothery add more
[05:09] <cotyrothery>    hwo
[05:09] <cotyrothery> how
[05:09] <philfo1> fdisk?
[05:09] <intelikey> cotyrothery you can use a swap file or another partition
[05:09] <intelikey> philfo1 sudo fdisk -l
[05:09] <philfo1> heh heh heh  I remember that one from Windows...
[05:09] <cotyrothery> but how
[05:09] <philfo1> thanks
[05:11] <cotyrothery> is there a way to install software i used on windows
[05:12] <cotyrothery> because i have a wifi max if you heard of it
[05:12] <cotyrothery> and i need to install its software
[05:12] <intelikey> cotyrothery sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/.swapfile bs=1024 count=262144 ;sudo mkswap /.swapfile ;sudo swapon /.swapfile   <<<< note that assumes you can spare 256m on the root partition/fs
[05:12] <bonbonthejon> cotyrothery: ndiswrapper
[05:12] <cotyrothery> what is ndiswrapper
[05:12] <bonbonthejon> cotyrothery: that will do the wireless, then you can use wine to run programs
[05:12] <bonbonthejon> !ndiswrapper | cotyrothery
[05:12] <ubotu> cotyrothery: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:12] <philfo1> so the commandline to mount harddrives would be : "sudo mount /dev/sda1"  ??
[05:12] <cotyrothery> ok
[05:13] <bonbonthejon> philfo1: that only works if its in fstab
[05:13] <bonbonthejon> philfo1: you need to specify a location to mount to
[05:13] <intelikey> cotyrothery that is for a file  for a partition you will need to use something like gparted  or qtparted   or cli parted   or some other partitioning tool
[05:13] <tulio__> can i install compiz and beryl
[05:13] <daaaman64> I am getting ready to build a new ubunutu box.  Are raptor drives still worth it?
[05:13] <philfo1> uh... ok
[05:13] <cotyrothery> i really dont want to mess with it
[05:13] <cotyrothery> because i might mess somthing up
[05:13] <cotyrothery> and never get kubuntu working again
[05:14] <AaronCampbell> Is there any sort of log that would tell me why X keeps booting to a black screen?
[05:14] <intelikey> if you have the free disk space just add a swapfile
[05:14] <philfo1> I'm still trying to learn the commands.  give me an example.  I thought they would mount to root that way, but I'm mistaken I guess
[05:14] <cotyrothery> I'll do that when i get more comfortable
[05:14] <cotyrothery> with linux
[05:14] <cotyrothery> right now im just happy to have kubuntu working
[05:15] <intelikey> and you can    sudo swapon /.swapfile   or   sudo swapoff /.swapfile    at will.   or add an entry in /etc/fstab to activate it on boot
[05:16] <intelikey> cotyrothery can you dcc send/get  or are you firewalled in ?
[05:16] <cotyrothery> i will worry about that later
[05:16] <cotyrothery> i dont know
[05:17] <cotyrothery> your going to hear that a lot
[05:17] <cotyrothery> " I dont know "
[05:17] <cotyrothery> lol
[05:17] <intelikey> :_
[05:17] <cotyrothery> n00b ;p
[05:18] <intelikey> -:- SignOff benderleet: #kubuntu (" Alt-F4")  <<<  :)
[05:20] <BluesKaj> intelikey ,in etc/fstab it says this :  swap noauto 0 0 ..what do i change to activate swap ?
[05:21] <dwidmann> hmm, my swap line reads something like this: /dev/sdc5                                       swap    swap    sw                        0       0
[05:21] <BluesKaj> or anyone who knows ?
[05:22] <BluesKaj> actually mine has this entry : /dev/hda4 <mount\040point> swap noauto 0 0
[05:22] <intelikey> BluesKaj  s/noauto/auto/
[05:23] <BluesKaj> intelikey , do i leave the "noauto" in ?
[05:24] <dwidmann> uggh, another 45 minutes of unpackaging etc before I get to reboot into my shiny new feisty :( .... oh well, at least the downloading part is done
[05:24] <intelikey> no s/// means what's in the first // is replaced with what's in the second //
[05:24] <dwidmann> good old sed
[05:25] <intelikey> and  s///g   would make the same changes on all occurances
[05:26] <intelikey> dwidmann yes but it's not just sed.  it's more regex than sed specific isn't it ?
[05:26] <dwidmann> sudo sed -e s/edgy/feisty/ -i /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:26] <dwidmann> intelikey: I can't be bothered to know
[05:26] <intelikey> it doesn't bother me to know either  :)
[05:27] <dwidmann> hehe
[05:38] <nicoc> hi all
[05:40] <bonbonthejon> hi
[05:40] <inanimate> Does anybody know how to get missing xscreensavers into KDE without using xscreensaver-demo workaround?
[05:43] <allyppe> how do i install latest mono in hoary?
[05:43] <bonbonthejon> allyppe: can't you use adept?
[05:43] <dwidmann> for the latest ... in hoary?
[05:43] <allyppe> bonbonthejon: i can
[05:43] <dwidmann> Hmm
[05:44] <bonbonthejon> allyppe: why are you still using hoary
[05:44] <dwidmann> you could probably take the debs from the feisty repo .... and all dependencies along with. Probably.
[05:44] <allyppe> dwidmann: they are incompatible, it seems
[05:45] <allyppe> dwidmann: keeps on saying "but it won't be installed" or something like that
[05:45] <Blu3> does kubuntu support vlans?
[05:45] <allyppe> bonbonthejon: it's quite stable for me
[05:45] <bonbonthejon> allyppe: its not supported
[05:45] <dwidmann> allyppe, what's the exact message it gives?
[05:46] <dwidmann> could be useful to see
[05:46] <allyppe> dwidmann: something about libc
[05:46] <allyppe> i can't look now
[05:46] <allyppe> glibc.
[05:46] <dwidmann> You can't look now? Hmm, somethinga bout glibc eh?
[05:47] <ExpositionOfEvil> hey
[05:47] <dwidmann> Description: GNU C Library: Shared libraries
[05:47] <dwidmann>  Contains the standard libraries that are used by nearly all programs on
[05:47] <dwidmann>  the system. This package includes shared versions of the standard C library
[05:47] <dwidmann>  and the standard math library, as well as many others.
[05:47] <ExpositionOfEvil> has anyone got warcraft 3 frozen throne working?
[05:47] <dwidmann> It could be that if the version of glibc changes that all packages that require it are incompatible, perhaps.
[05:50] <dwidmann> ExpositionOfEvil: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3126
[05:51] <intelikey> isn't glibc arch-specific ?
[05:51] <dwidmann> I'm more than sure it is
[05:52] <intelikey> like different on 32 & 64 bit  as well as i?86 -vs- other
[05:53] <dwidmann> Yes, but I'm pretty sure I saw libc6 as one of the major dependencies on well ... everything, kept me from installing debs from sid a while back ... (I like to play with things)
[05:53] <intelikey> "more than sure"  :)
[05:54] <dwidmann> hehe
[05:54] <ExpositionOfEvil> has anyone got warcraft 3 frozen throne working with cedega?
[05:54] <dwidmann> 51% ... only another forever to go until these debs are setup
[05:54] <intelikey> dwidmann yes,  libc6 replaced glibc ?
[05:55] <dwidmann> I can't recall, I took that description from the libc6 package. My system is under too heavy a load for me to want to look anything up at the moment (I feel like a cripple when I'm without my google :( )
[05:57] <dwidmann> [23:56]  <-- ExpositionOfEvil has left this channel ("brb having sex.."). <<<<<< I didn't want to know that
[05:57] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann: seconded
[05:57] <Blu3> don't be afraid of the pen**
[05:58] <dwidmann> Why not?
[05:58] <Blu3> why be so insecure?
[06:01] <intelikey> it seems to me that some "fool" started a thought that has snowballed into a cultural shock wave of stupidity,  you don't have to be "afraid"  of anything to dis-like, detest, or even abhore it.  reguardless of what it is...
[06:01] <dwidmann> good point intelikey
[06:02] <BluesKaj> afraid is th term used in order to get ppl to do something they know could be very stupid ..."I dare you" syndrome
[06:02] <intelikey> yes and only the foolish will fall for it.
[06:03] <Blu3> i'm guessing that the network manager for kubuntu has no concept of vlans?
[06:03] <intelikey> what's worse is the well known fact that, that's exactly what it is and yet it works almost 90% of the time anyway.
[06:04] <Blu3> what's worse is droning on about it on either side of the fence :P
[06:04] <nicoc> hey, can anyone help me installing beryl??
[06:04] <intelikey> blu3 worse in what way ?
[06:04] <nicoc> :D
[06:05] <BluesKaj> geezus beryl again
[06:05] <chode> nicoc, beryl site had a good walk thru
[06:05] <intelikey> !beryl > nicoc
[06:05] <nicoc> i already take a look
[06:05] <Blu3> the conversation about sex or the avoidance thereof is in itself just as dislikable to some as the subject itself is to others
[06:05] <nicoc> but :d
[06:06] <nicoc> well i'll try again, thanks anyway
[06:06] <intelikey> Blu3 you made it about that.
[06:06] <Blu3> no, i was the 3rd person remarking about it
[06:06] <BluesKaj> sex....bah humbug ! time for bed :) .. nite all
[06:07] <Blu3> g'nite
[06:07] <intelikey> BluesKaj gooday mate
[06:09] <dwidmann> nicoc: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu
[06:10] <AaronCampbell> I have an nVidia 8800GTS, and I'm running Kubuntu 7.  I installed nvidia-glx, and ran sudo nvidia-xconfig.  When restarting, I get a black screen.  ctrl+alt+f1 will get me a login, but I can't see it (if I type username, I can see that...upon pressing enter, I see the request for password)
[06:10] <AaronCampbell> I editted xorg.conf, changing nvidia back to vesa, and it works.
[06:10] <AaronCampbell> However, I can't use my dual widescreen monitors.  Any ideas on how to fix this?
[06:11] <intelikey> dwidmann i know this system is too low end for beryl or anything like that.   but that's another thing,  i can't even get nvidia installed in a working fasion.
[06:11] <dwidmann> aaroncampbell, so it's reallyreally using the nvidia drivers right now right? Try running sudo nvidia-settings
[06:11] <dwidmann> intelikey: I can, but to seperate myself from kwin ... well that I cannot do
[06:12] <martalli> How do I determine what nvidia driver I have installed?
[06:12] <dwidmann> nvidia-settings will let you know
[06:14] <martalli> dwidmann, I have 1.0-9631 - is that the most current?  wine is complaining that it was made for 1.0-9755, but with my 9631 its giving me errors
[06:14] <martalli> I have a 6600GT, surely I don't need the older driver version?
[06:14] <MilhousePunkRock> Good morning everyone!
[06:14] <dwidmann> I remember 9631 being an old stable ... you may want to upgrade
[06:15] <martalli> This was a fresh install of kubuntu.  hmm
[06:15] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock
[06:15] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey
[06:15] <intelikey> long C no time
[06:15] <MilhousePunkRock> But I guess that does not belong here...
[06:16] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: Indeed, I am pretty busy right now. So I only come here when troubles occur...
[06:16] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: Sticking to Dapper?
[06:17] <intelikey> well you already told us it's feisty   so  #ubuntu+1   :)
[06:17] <intelikey> and yeah LTS
[06:17] <intelikey> don't offer me LTS unless you mean it.
[06:17] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: Already there...
[06:18] <intelikey> well whats the issue ?
[06:18] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: I lately heard that Vista does not have LTS compared to XP, btw...
[06:19] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: Some minor stuff, and I want to have the Feisty look, which I saw on the LiveCD.
[06:19] <intelikey> ah
[06:20] <dwidmann> later folks, a reboot is required :D
[06:20] <intelikey> ttfn dwidmann
[06:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Reboot required? Did he change the kernel?
[06:21] <intelikey> yeah upgraded to feisth
[06:21] <intelikey> s/h/y/
[06:23] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: And about Windows, once my preferred poker client is running on Linux (ETA: never) I can get rid of that thing...
[06:23] <bonbonthejon> MilhousePunkRock: did you try wine?
[06:23] <MilhousePunkRock> bonbonthejon: Yes, no avail
[06:23] <intelikey> or cedega
[06:23] <bonbonthejon> MilhousePunkRock: how about setting up a virtual machine?
[06:24] <MilhousePunkRock> It's highly depending on IE, so none of those emulators will help much
[06:24] <intelikey> hmmm ok.
[06:24] <bonbonthejon> MilhousePunkRock: virtual machine?
[06:24] <MilhousePunkRock> bonbonthejon: I did not have time to deal with that yet. I am not one of those hardliners that really needs to get rid of windows...
[06:24] <bonbonthejon> MilhousePunkRock: alright
[06:24] <MilhousePunkRock> bonbonthejon: And, IIRC, vmware is not free, is it?
[06:25] <bonbonthejon> MilhousePunkRock: free as in beer, i think so
[06:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Know your enemy, as they say...
[06:26] <intelikey> free as in no money down and no payments.  but not  FOSS free...
[06:28] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: So if I was a hardliner, that would opt it out already. For now, dual booting is much less of a hassle than setting up a virtual machine.
[06:28] <intelikey> ok anyone handy and not too busy that could walk me through installing and setting up nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[06:28] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock yeah i have not quarel with that.
[06:31] <intelikey> oh my.    why is it doing this?    apt-get nvidia-glx-legacy     wants to install  "linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386 linux-restricted-modules-common nvidia-glx-legacy"   i am running 2.6.15-28-386   ???
[06:31] <MilhousePunkRock> that sounds like the default dapper kernel to me, intelikey
[06:32] <intelikey> yesterday it wanted 2.6.15-27-386   now  2.6.15-23-386  ?
[06:32] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock yes it does.  but the updated kernel should be what it gets shouldn't it ?
[06:34] <intelikey> i'll try it and see what it does... so much for security patches though
[06:34] <intelikey> and i'll have to reboot to that older kernel
[06:35] <intelikey> is this another monolog ?
[06:35] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: See you in a few
[06:35] <intelikey> ok.
[06:35] <MilhousePunkRock> = parted attention to any of it
[06:36] <neuraloverload> Hello
[06:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello neuraloverload
[06:36] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago    oh my.    why is it doing this?    apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy     wants to install  "linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386 linux-restricted-modules-common nvidia-glx-legacy"   i am running 2.6.15-28-386   ???
[06:36] <neuraloverload> I have... dun dun dun... a question
[06:36] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: hold on. i think i have a command for you
[06:36] <MilhousePunkRock> neuraloverload: Don't ask to ask, just ask
[06:36] <neuraloverload> I wasnt
[06:36] <neuraloverload> :P
[06:37] <intelikey> can i ask ?
[06:37] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: apt-cache showpkg nvidia-glx-legacy
[06:37] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: No
[06:37] <neuraloverload> Here goes, I installed a proggy using wget, tar, make and make install
[06:37] <neuraloverload> how do I uninstall it?
[06:38] <neuraloverload> Specifically, Aircrack-ng
[06:38] <MilhousePunkRock> neuraloverload: I am not completely sure, but did you try "make uninstall"?
[06:38] <neuraloverload> No, I didnt even know there was such a command
[06:38] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago ok.   and  ?    the kernel is listed in reverse order from 2.6.15-28-386 to 2.6.15-23-386
[06:38] <Jucato> neuraloverload: if you didn't delete the folder where you ran make, you should be able to do "make uninstall"
[06:39] <intelikey> so it got the oldest one on the list
[06:39] <Admiral_Chicago> try pastebining me the output
[06:39] <neuraloverload> K
[06:39] <neuraloverload> Ill try it
[06:39] <neuraloverload> :)
[06:39] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago can i just dcc it ?
[06:39] <Alonea> allo dears
[06:39] <Admiral_Chicago> dunno how to do that in irssi
[06:39] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there Alonea
[06:40] <intelikey> k
[06:40] <Alonea> Admiral_Chicago: how is the fort today?
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> Alonea: Jucato is holding it down as always
[06:41] <Jucato> :P
[06:41] <Alonea> Admiral_Chicago: good! Where is DaSkreech?
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> no idea....
[06:41] <neuraloverload> Ah ha! Thank you guys, man I feel stupid :P
[06:41] <Alonea> Jucato: yup. Out Kubuntu go-to guy.
[06:41] <Alonea> *our
[06:41] <neuraloverload> Guess we all have to be noobs sometimes
[06:41] <Alonea> that we do. I get to be a noob a lot!
[06:41] <neuraloverload> Lol
[06:41] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago http://pastebin.ca/413165
[06:42] <MilhousePunkRock> neuraloverload: Does that mean it worked? I just pulled that out of my hat, I tend to stay away from stuff that does not come from the package manager...
[06:42] <neuraloverload> Yeah
[06:42] <neuraloverload> I believe it did
[06:43] <neuraloverload> After I entered the command
[06:43] <dwidmann> UGHHHHHHH, this is just my luck! (or lack thereof)
[06:43] <neuraloverload> It said rm -f /some/file/path/here
[06:43] <neuraloverload> Not exactly like that
[06:43] <neuraloverload> but similar
[06:44] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: uname -r tells you what?
[06:45] <Jucato> iirc that was a sort of packaging bug in Dapper... if memory serves me right (which doesn't happen a lot)
[06:45] <intelikey> 2.6.15-28-386
[06:45] <Admiral_Chicago> then you should have no problem
[06:46] <blankfaze> can i remove components of kubuntu-desktop without removing kubuntu-desktop?
[06:46] <intelikey> so why did it install Setting up linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386 (2.6.15.11-1) ...
[06:46] <dwidmann> blankfaze: 'fraid not
[06:46] <Admiral_Chicago> you have that kernel already, it will install the latest one if you didn't
[06:46] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago ?
[06:46] <Admiral_Chicago> yes you can dwidmann
[06:46] <dwidmann> OH? Do tell
 you have that kernel already,  <<< no i didn't
[06:46] <blankfaze> for instance i have no use for bluetooth chat/kbtserialchat
[06:47] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu-desktop is a meta package, just grab all the other components
[06:47] <dwidmann> So, you're saying you can remove one of its dependencies, without forcing it? and not remove the metapackage?
[06:47] <blankfaze> pita
[06:47] <blankfaze> why do they make all sorts of lame stuff dependencies then
[06:47] <blankfaze> lol
[06:47] <Admiral_Chicago> freddy@omg-gnus:~/Desktop/Galaga-.09$ sudo apt-get remove konversation
[06:47] <AaronCampbell> dwidmann: you still here?
[06:47] <intelikey> also in the output of the apt-get was  Setting up linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 (2.6.15-23.39) ...
[06:47] <ForgeAus> um you know the line in xorg that checks pci bus? does that also check AGP?
[06:47] <Admiral_Chicago> The following packages will be REMOVED: konversation
[06:47] <dwidmann> Yeah, I'm here AaronCampbell
[06:47] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry for the paste, but yes
[06:48] <ForgeAus> Admiral if it removes it just reinstall after :)
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> dude, hmm, that is starnge
[06:48] <AaronCampbell> dwidmann: I tried to run nvidia-settings, but it gave a GTK error, so I editted my config back to vesa, and booted back into KDE.
[06:48] <ForgeAus> assuming you want konversation
[06:48] <dwidmann> And I'm having a rough time, seem to be a few bugs to work out when it comes to this new upgrade tool
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> the kernel you told me you were usuing was the latest one that nvidia was depending on
[06:48] <dwidmann> My Grub wasn't updated, so I chrooted in and updated it myself, and I got a kernel panic telling me it couldn't mount the root filesystem :\
[06:48] <AaronCampbell> dwidmann: then I ran nvidia-settings, and I get a few checkboxes, but no real info.  Looking at the console output I see "ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display"
[06:49] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago yes.  but look at the list of things it installed
[06:49] <ForgeAus> I agree Linux with blankfaze it seems like linux is too version depenant
[06:49] <Admiral_Chicago> ForgeAus: i have kubuntu-desktop installed, i just did apt-get remove konversation. didn't ask about anything else, it would only remove konversation
[06:49] <ForgeAus> there probably is a reason behind that but from my point of view as a user its annoying and restrictive
[06:49] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago   the list >>> "linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386 linux-restricted-modules-common nvidia-glx-legacy"  <<< i am running 2.6.15-28-386   ???
[06:49] <blankfaze> i just don't understand why there's not an easy way to remove kppp for instance without removing kubuntu-desktop.
[06:49] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: sec
[06:49] <blankfaze> i don't have any use for a dialup programme
[06:50] <ForgeAus> blankfaze because kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[06:50] <Alonea> i love kernel panics...adept froze in the middle of upgrading some stuff, the kernel included. that was fun to fix without internet
[06:50] <ForgeAus> all the packages that kubuntu uses as a base are in there which includes kppp...
[06:51] <ForgeAus> I'm not suprised about that
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> wait, you are on 2.6.15-28-386 and it depends on 2.6.15-28
[06:51] <ForgeAus> its more a problem when it wants to remove something like ubuntu-minimal!
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> uname -r tells you the kernel that is running
[06:51] <blankfaze> i understand, but i want *most* of what is in kubuntu-desktop, just not certain parts.  there should be an easier way to accomplish that
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> blankfaze: you can remove it parts without removing all
[06:52] <blankfaze> admiral chicago:  still not clear on how?
[06:52] <ForgeAus> blankfaze its really no matter if kubuntu-desktop isn't listed in your distro, theres several utilities that several people will not need
[06:52] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: if you remove kubuntu-desktop it doesn't remove all of kde.
[06:52] <ForgeAus> I for one don't need bluetooth for example
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: can you explain in other words for me...
[06:52] <blankfaze> i know that.
[06:52] <Jucato> explain what?!
[06:52] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago check this out.  i tried to apt-get remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386 linux-image-2.6.15-23-386     and it says this   >>> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[06:52] <intelikey>   linux-image-2.6.15-23-386* linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386*
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> blankfaze: no offense but i'm being as clear as I think I can be
[06:52] <intelikey>   nvidia-glx-legacy*
[06:53] <intelikey> it doesn't seem to care that i'm running uname -r
[06:53] <intelikey> 2.6.15-28-386
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: you are using 2.16.15-*28*
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> wait i see your problem intelikey
[06:54] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago yes i am.
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i didn't know
[06:54] <Jucato> intelikey: did you install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-28-386 already?
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> that it wanted to remove the driver as well
[06:54] <blankfaze> admiral chicago:  well thanks, but it doesn't work like that for me.  selecting to remove konversation selects kubuntu-desktop to be removed too
[06:54] <intelikey> Jucato yes
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: so remove it.
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> blankfaze: you can ignore that, trust me.
[06:54] <Jucato> intelikey: hm.. and it still wants to remove nvidia-glx when you try to remove those other restricted modules
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: it will not remove anything else.
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: exactly
[06:55] <blankfaze> leejunfan:  kubuntu-desktop has a million dependencies.  i don't want to have to manually readd all that i do want in
[06:55] <Jucato> blankfaze: you only have to basically worry about the kubuntu-desktop metapackage when dist-upgrading to a new release.
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: one of the depends in "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386,nvidia-glx-legacy"
[06:55] <Jucato> blankfaze: no. removing kubuntu-desktop won't remove others
[06:56] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: kubuntu-desktop is a meta package, that means it will install a bunch of deps if you install it, but nothing depends on it - so removing it won't remove other packages.
[06:56] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: if it was going to remove other packages like kdebase, konqueror, etc... they would be listed as well.
[06:56] <blankfaze> so if i select to remove kubuntu-desktop, it won't remove, say kopete?
[06:56] <ForgeAus> yes LeeJun but removing other packages removes IT
[06:56] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: no it wont.
[06:56] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: right.
[06:56] <ForgeAus> ie removing kppp will remove kbuuntu-desktop
[06:56] <ForgeAus> which is a little strange
[06:56] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yes. but that's not what he's worried about
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> I've been running kubuntu w/o kubuntu-desktop pretty much forever, because I don't like kubuntu-default-settings.
[06:57] <ForgeAus> I'm not worried about it, wait now I'm confused what IS blankfaze worried about then?
[06:57] <blankfaze> so... what *will* removing kubuntu-desktop remove??
[06:57] <Jucato> blankfaze: only itself
[06:57] <ForgeAus> blankfaze nothing
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: no programs will be removed.
[06:58] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago and Jucato ok i have purged all restricted modules and the older kernels   then... apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-28-386    and it seems to be going to accept that.
[06:58] <blankfaze> will it remove settings?  anything at all?
[06:58] <Jucato> ForgeAus: he's worried that removing kubuntu-desktop will remove everything
[06:58] <ForgeAus> because its a metapackage its a package of packages, its more about what installs when you install it rather than what is removed when you remove it
[06:58] <ForgeAus> yeah that became pretty obvious recently...
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: good.
[06:58] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: think of kubuntu-desktop as an alias. instead of you having to install all parts of kubuntu you can install kubuntu-desktop, when you install it - it installs all parts of kubuntu, but you can remove it w/o removing the packages it installed.
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> that is an odd error
[06:58] <blankfaze> so if i run apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop... you are saying NOTHING will change?
[06:58] <intelikey> ok it did   Setting up nvidia-glx-legacy (1.0.7174+2.6.15.12-28.1) ...
[06:58] <Jucato> intelikey: finally!
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: i would mark as a dependency issue in LP
[06:59] <Jucato> blankfaze: I'm saying that only the kubuntu-desktop package, that package only will be removed
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: it should look for >= and not a certain kernel
[06:59] <intelikey> ok now what  ?
[06:59] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago yes indeed.
[06:59] <Jucato> blankfaze: it's just a meta-package. it has no settings, it does nothing except tell apt to install all those other packages
[06:59] <blankfaze> because i could have sworn that i hosed my machine doing something like that before
[07:00] <ForgeAus> blankfaze possibly but not with kubuntu-desktop
[07:00] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago ok now howto get it to work with nvidia in place of nv ?   do i need to modprobe anything ?
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> blankfaze: the reason that package exists is so that someone on GNOME or Xfce can install KDE as kubuntu would behave with an install CD
[07:00] <aaroncampbell_> dwidmann: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12469/
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: not that I know of
[07:00] <ForgeAus> more like a system-dependant package like ubuntu-minimal or kde-base or something
[07:00] <intelikey> ok.
[07:01] <blankfaze> but what i am trying to ascertain, if i just ran apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop... no programmes would be removed, no settings changed, no discernable change of any kind other than kubuntu-desktop would show as not installed?
[07:01] <intelikey> changed xorg.conf form           Driver          "nv"   or   "nvidia"     is that all ?
[07:01] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: is my font fuzzy? no! :)
[07:01] <blankfaze> lol
[07:02] <blankfaze> just trying to be careful.  i have fuxxxored my system like twice in the month or so since i migrated to linux
[07:02] <dwidmann> aaroncampbell_ I'm not really sure what those could be ...
[07:02] <aaroncampbell_> ok, I'll try again in the morning
[07:03] <ForgeAus> blankfaze it might be useful to you to virtualize your linux until you get used to it?
[07:03] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: bah, don't be a baby :) I hosed a running 5000 client mailserver once and I didn't make so much noise over it :)
[07:03] <intelikey> blankfaze correct. no noticable differance
[07:03] <blankfaze> nah.  i am a firm believer that you learn from mistakes lol
[07:03] <ScarFreewill> my printer stoped working any one else having a problem with that?
[07:03] <ForgeAus> I agree... and boy have I made some mistakes with linux since I got it
[07:03] <dwidmann> I guess I'll fix my kernel problem in the morning, if I wake up before noon anyway ...
[07:04] <ForgeAus> I'm guessing jucato will probably back that statement up...
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: me too. That's why I don't use windows - it was a mistake :)
[07:04] <ForgeAus> too many people think windows requires a reinstallation at the first sign of trouble :(
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> everyone makes mistakes, i did all the tyme
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> time*
[07:05] <ForgeAus> I'm still on the same XP installation as well over a 2 years ago
[07:05] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: true.
[07:05] <ForgeAus> although it did recently die on me I managed to revive it
[07:05] <ForgeAus> still not sure entirely quite how yet tho
[07:06] <ForgeAus> anyway back to kubuntu
[07:06] <intelikey> do i need to run  "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"  what does that do ?
[07:06] <blankfaze> i am a lot happier since i migrated from windows.  a lot of things are easier.  more control if you know what you're doing.  a lot more secure.  good feeling of using foss
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: My biggest complain w/ windows is even about the stability or security, it's the inflexability and the fact that even the simplest little program on it has nagware and costs $30+ dollars shareware.
[07:06] <Jucato> intelikey: it enables the nvidia driver... modifiying xorg.conf
[07:06] <ForgeAus> um? is that meant to be a line in the xorg.conf "nvidia-glx-config" "enable" ?
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> s/is even/isn't even
[07:07] <ForgeAus> LeeJun some do yeah
[07:07] <intelikey> Jucato then my editing xorg circumvents that actually being useful ?
[07:07] <ForgeAus> but there is foss for windows as well
[07:07] <Jucato> intelikey: hm.. sort of... but sometimes you still need to edit manually anyway...
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: yeah, I use it and offer it to customers whenever possible.
[07:08] <ForgeAus> hehe like openoffice.org I'm guessing
[07:08] <intelikey> Jucato i was just look in /usr/sbin/nvidia-glx-config  it's a shell script and it depends on being ran from within x ....
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> I've still got windows on my system, hardly ever used, just for flight sims, which I can't remember the last time I've played. But I've only re-installed XP once in over 2 yrs. On the other hand I've had servers with uptimes over 2 years.
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> with linux of course.
[07:08] <Jucato> intelikey: actually, I think it will complain if you run it from w/in X
[07:09] <MilhousePunkRock> !kopete
[07:09] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[07:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: yeah, openoffice, firefox, gimp, gaim, etc..
[07:09] <intelikey> Jucato yeah actually that test only setup a message you're right
[07:10] <Jucato> intelikey: I'm right? and w/o looking at the code? *gasps*
[07:10] <blankfaze> is there a font manager in kde anywhere?
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> blankfaze: Kmenu >> system settings
[07:11] <intelikey> :)
[07:11] <blankfaze> admiral chicago:  for managing/installing/removing fonts, not selecting them for display...
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> then appearance
[07:12] <Jucato> blankfaze: System Settings -> Appearance -> Font Installer
[07:12] <blankfaze> oh weird
[07:12] <blankfaze> missed that.  sorry
[07:13] <blankfaze> does anyone know off-hand what format preinstall fonts like bitsream vera are in?
[07:13] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago and Jucato  one thing that running the command(sudo nvidia-glx-config enable) does is  "modprobe nvidia"  so i do need to do that... but   modprobe nvidia fails     modprobe nvidia-agp works    is that the reason that nvidia wont work for me ?
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure, could open up /etc/modprobe iirc that folder.
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't use that package very much, not sure
[07:13] <blankfaze> the icon for most look like truetype but i am not sure
[07:14] <Jucato> intelikey: that I don't know... :/
[07:14] <intelikey> ok i'll keep pecking away at this...
[07:16] <[xelent] > What media player is this http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/085/a/1/Linux_X_by_binyaryar.png
[07:16] <blankfaze> why doesn't that font installer appear in kcontrol?  is it a kubuntu-only thing?
[07:16] <intelikey> :)
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> [xelent] : never seen it before
[07:17] <Jucato> blankfaze: kcontrol - system administration
[07:17] <Jucato> a GNOME app?
[07:17] <blankfaze> oh neat k
[07:17] <Jucato> very nice desktop though :)
[07:17] <intelikey> yipe !   lost root.
[07:18] <intelikey> that requires a reboot.         </grubmles & hits the reset>
[07:18] <Jucato> :P
[07:18] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: high security :)
[07:18] <intelikey> LeeJunFan yes i guess
[07:20] <spurcell_portabl> Any developer sorts in here who might be able to give advice on creating a .deb file?
[07:20] <Jucato> !packaging | spurcell_portabl
[07:20] <ubotu> spurcell_portabl: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[07:21] <Locomotor> hola a todos
[07:22] <spurcell_portabl> Thank you ubotu.
[07:22] <Jucato> !thanks | spurcell_portabl
[07:22] <ubotu> spurcell_portabl: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[07:23] <intelikey> now laugh.   laugh all ya want.
[07:24] <intelikey> cause i had to reboot ?
[07:24] <Jucato> ok
[07:24] <intelikey> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia_legacy (/lib/modules/2.6.15-28-386/volatile/nvidia_legacy.ko): No such device
[07:25] <Locomotor> hace un link simbolico
[07:25] <Locomotor> con ln -s
[07:25] <openstandards> has anyone packaged up any of the oxygen icons yet?
[07:26] <a-u-123> waaa i want some help if someone would be so kind. my mouse buttons  6 and 7 dont go back and forth, mouse button 6 does the same as 3. 7 as 2, i just to config xconf and not install imwheel
[07:26] <intelikey> lsmod reveils     agpgart                34888  1 nvidia_agp
[07:26] <nicoc> how can i know if i have the lastest ATI driver??
[07:26] <intelikey> but modprobe nvidia fails as per above message ^
[07:27] <Locomotor> you have just compiled the nvidia driver?
[07:28] <intelikey> nope binary driver from the repo
[07:29] <Locomotor> I have installed from the official binary package
[07:29] <Locomotor> and no problems like you describe
[07:29] <Locomotor> this was 20 min ago
[07:29] <Locomotor> :)
[07:29] <intelikey> different hardware
[07:29] <Jucato> openstandards: they will not be packaged for KDE 3.5.x
[07:29] <Locomotor> may be
[07:30] <Locomotor> i have an integrated 6100
[07:30] <intelikey> no maybe to it.  mines an AGP nvidia riva128
[07:31] <Locomotor> did you try depmod -a?
[07:31] <openstandards> i hope kde 4 will be more attractive 3.5 is ugly
[07:32] <intelikey> Locomotor have now
[07:32] <Locomotor> what? sorry but my english is very poor
[07:33] <intelikey> openstandards how can you say that ?   kde has not "look" of it's own really, it's all in the theemes
 did you try depmod -a? <intelikey> Locomotor i have now
[07:33] <Locomotor> ok
[07:34] <intelikey> openstandards find a theem you like and then configure it to be 'beautiful' in your eyes
[07:35] <Alonea> intelikey: shouldn't you be able to make your own theme if you really wanted to?
[07:35] <intelikey> sure Alonea   and you can
[07:35] <nick_> is there an IM client that handles msn better than kapote?
[07:36] <intelikey> gaim  maybe ?
[07:36] <openstandards> amsn
[07:36] <Alonea> intelikey: yup, just need to get reaaaal bored and have a lot of work I want to ignore.
[07:36] <intelikey> Alonea yep that's all
[07:36] <intelikey> :)
[07:36] <nick_> gaim/amsn?
[07:36] <nick_> or was gaim something else
[07:37] <openstandards> amsn is probably  better when it comes to dealing with msn
[07:37] <intelikey> nick_ try amsn
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> what's wrong with kopete for msn? I haven't noticed any problems with it.
[07:37] <openstandards> the file transfer on gaim sucks, and no video either
[07:37] <Alonea> intelikey: hmmm, maybe a matrix like theme? Or red metal looking...there was a red color theme on winamp that I really liked that I could sorta copy...
[07:37] <nick_> im gonna try amsn
[07:38] <nick_> i miss being able to play wheel of fotrune in msn LOL
[07:38] <cotyrothery> I have a few questions
[07:38] <cotyrothery> I was wondering what can i do with apache
[07:38] <Alonea> isn't there a way to get the actual latest MSN to work with wine, or is that a no?
[07:38] <a-u-51> buttonmapping did it, im a noob if anyone wondered...
[07:39] <intelikey> !info apache
[07:39] <ubotu> apache: versatile, high-performance HTTP server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.34-4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 380 kB, installed size 812 kB
[07:39] <openstandards> nick_: is that what you want msn for because if it is then you're out of luck
[07:39] <cotyrothery> i woule like to get it setup on my computer
[07:39] <netdaemon> Alonea: why would you want it?
[07:39] <cotyrothery> But i would like to now if with it i can have my own site or what is its perpose
[07:39] <intelikey> !lamp > cotyrothery
[07:39] <nick_> lol...no
[07:39] <nick_> would be nice though
[07:40] <cotyrothery> so what would i do with it
[07:40] <Locomotor> you need to read a little
[07:40] <cotyrothery> i have
[07:40] <a-u-51> !info avahi
[07:40] <ubotu> Package avahi does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[07:40] <cotyrothery> i cant find what i need to read
[07:40] <intelikey> cotyrothery apache is a full grown web-server for the http and https protocols.
[07:40] <cotyrothery> yeah i know
[07:41] <intelikey> check your pm's
[07:41] <Locomotor> just google for it
[07:41] <cotyrothery> i heard that people put it on there computer and use there computers as servers
[07:41] <Locomotor> how to set up apache
[07:41] <Alonea> netdaemon: lets see, the video was nice, the sharing folders was especially nice, and I liked the looks of it. I just miss it. I mean, gaim has it good points too, but I still prefer the original MSN program.
[07:41] <intelikey> !lamp > Locomotor
[07:41] <openstandards> cotyrothery: i personally wouldn't run a http server on a home connection
[07:41] <intelikey> and check your pm's
[07:41] <cotyrothery> i did
[07:41] <cotyrothery> what is it
[07:41] <openstandards> purely because of the upstream of your connection
[07:42] <cotyrothery> so could i make like a .com site and run it off my computer?
[07:42] <intelikey> apache = s/band-width/band-narrow-ness/g
[07:43] <Locomotor> you need to register domain too
[07:43] <openstandards> you could but you wouldn't own the domain name
[07:43] <cotyrothery> and your computer always has to be  on
[07:43] <cotyrothery> i have a sub domain
[07:43] <openstandards> its cheaper these days with a host
[07:43] <intelikey> and yes you could if you regester the domain
[07:43] <cotyrothery> cool
[07:44] <Locomotor> first you should try it in a lan
[07:44] <cotyrothery> im about to download wine
[07:44] <cotyrothery> i have been having some trouble with kdevelop
[07:44] <cotyrothery> i cant get it to make the installation
[07:44] <wolferine> looking to setup Realplayer, in the Ubuntu guide, it tells me to
[07:44] <intelikey> cotyrothery careful you don't dl to much at one time
[07:44] <cotyrothery> why
[07:44] <intelikey> too much wine ...
[07:44] <wolferine> then edit the startup script (/usr/lib/realplay-10.0.8/realplay) and changed line 73
[07:44] <intelikey> :)
[07:44] <cotyrothery> LOL
[07:45] <wolferine> and I need to make sure: Make sure you have ALSA OSS driver.
[07:45] <intelikey> don't want you penguin eneberateddd
[07:45] <cotyrothery> there are so many apps
[07:45] <cotyrothery> i am loving this
[07:45] <cotyrothery> its a whole nother world
[07:45] <wolferine> my sounds controls tell me I am using Alsa mixer
[07:45] <intelikey> cotyrothery yes.
[07:46] <Locomotor> is like win 95...a new experince... XD
[07:46] <cotyrothery> not like microsoft were i have to rack out doo
[07:46] <wolferine> so am I not using the ALSA OSS driver maybe, as I get this:  realplay
[07:46] <wolferine> /usr/bin/realplay: 78: aoss: not found
[07:46] <nick_> windows 3.1 kicked butt
[07:46] <nick_> i still use it
[07:46] <nick_> :-P
[07:46] <cotyrothery> I think that spending 100 to 200 dollors on xp is insane
[07:46] <Locomotor> jajaa
[07:46] <ForgeAus> really?
[07:47] <ForgeAus> I'm going to reinstall it later
[07:47] <ForgeAus> when my dos partition gets back up and running
[07:47] <nick_> I think wasting your time downloading and pirating XP is insane.....even if it does work
[07:47] <cotyrothery> I dont
[07:47] <intelikey> nick_ for it's day it did but that day ended in about 3 hours after the release...
[07:47] <cotyrothery> never did
[07:47] <ForgeAus> sysing over is ok but I have too many boot managers on that drive, I need to somehow reinstate my NTLDR along with it then put grub on
[07:47] <cotyrothery> for one thing all i had were problems with xp
[07:48] <cotyrothery> i have been waiting to get rid of it for awhile
[07:48] <wolferine> zzzzz
[07:48] <wolferine> anyone, audio drivers...
[07:48] <ForgeAus> hehe cotyro then get ready for a whole new set of *nix problems :)
[07:48] <cotyrothery> and now its gone witht the dust
[07:48] <ForgeAus> every os has its problems
[07:48] <nick_> I may try vista if i can obtain a legal copy from my work
[07:48] <ForgeAus> nick I don't recommend it
[07:48] <intelikey> cotyrothery heh i installed xp to see if i wanted it... took me two days to say "never again"   hehhe
[07:48] <cotyrothery> Bring them on
[07:48] <nick_> but it *seems they may have went overboard on the DRM
[07:48] <cotyrothery> LOL
[07:48] <a-u-51> wolferine try using mplayer instead of realplayer, itll play real files
[07:48] <wolferine> really?
[07:49] <ForgeAus> lol intellikey, I don't think you gave it enough of a chance
[07:49] <cotyrothery> intelikey: what did you not like
[07:49] <wolferine> streaming too?
[07:49] <Cugel> wolferine: yes.
[07:49] <intelikey> cotyrothery everything,
[07:49] <ForgeAus> but thats ok I can't see you ever really warming up to it
[07:49] <cotyrothery> me to
[07:49] <ForgeAus> so I wouldn't suggest reattempting it
[07:49] <cotyrothery> Over priced software also
[07:49] <carl_> Does anyone know how to configure a Mail Partner? (revision 1.8)
[07:49] <a-u-51> get mozilla plugin for mplayer in ur package manager
[07:49] <ForgeAus> its too unlike what your used to
[07:49] <a-u-51> aswell as mplayer itself
[07:49] <wolferine> well, what do you know
[07:49] <wolferine> it does
[07:50] <cotyrothery> Now that i have kubuntu im going to go and spend some money on some HD's
[07:50] <intelikey> cotyrothery but most of all the fact that it would outrightly "lie" to you.   i'd tell it to do blah and it would say ok done   but it never was done....  i will not tolerate that.  period
[07:50] <cotyrothery> and a burner
[07:50] <cotyrothery> lol
[07:50] <cotyrothery> me neither
[07:50] <cotyrothery> plus all the dumb registry problems i had
[07:50] <intelikey> then there was the eula   'that any sane human would have to "lie" to accept.'
[07:50] <cotyrothery> so many problems everyday
[07:51] <cotyrothery> It took 30 mins to and hour to sign in to windows
[07:51] <Locomotor> how much cost an vista license? i really dont know...
[07:51] <intelikey> and i don't like being a lier.
[07:51] <cotyrothery> plus windows randomly shut down on me
[07:52] <cotyrothery> or with windows there are so many viruses out htere
[07:52] <cotyrothery> there
[07:52] <nick_> Im not going 100% linux because my new printer doesnt work, i need windows software for work, too many programs need windows and I have alot of problems with government sites in linux (for instance i just tried to pay my liscence fee online and after I hit submit it froze so  had to close and do it again...but it charged me twice)
[07:52] <intelikey> and the forced "online regesteration"   i mean hey if i don't want to regester that should be my business, not M$'s
[07:52] <nick_> but i dont particularly like windows, i just need it
[07:52] <cotyrothery> yeah
[07:53] <wolferine> wow
[07:53] <wolferine> but does it play RAM files BAD
[07:53] <a-u-51> annoying prob with mplayer though, if anyone knows the solution plz speak, i have to play streaming stuff in fullscreen to see it, or fullscreen then minimize and itll worked in normal mode
[07:53] <cotyrothery> Is it possible to have tons of HD's
[07:53] <nick_> i need a plug in so i can watch non flash videos in firefox or konqerer
[07:53] <cotyrothery> that are internal
[07:53] <wolferine> tons?
[07:53] <cotyrothery> yeah like 10
[07:53] <wolferine> u have alot of cash to spend?
[07:54] <cotyrothery> yep
[07:54] <Locomotor> i dont think so
[07:54] <wolferine> i doubt that
[07:54] <cotyrothery> lol
[07:54] <nick_> any streaming media says "click here to download plug in" and it says theres none available
[07:54] <cotyrothery> over time
[07:54] <Locomotor> that's depend of motherboard and chipset
[07:54] <intelikey> nick_ that's one thing i just don't do.   pay/buy anything online
[07:54] <nick_> im nervous about it too
[07:55] <cotyrothery> I want a few drives just so i can have diffrent linuxs on each
[07:55] <nick_> but i figured "hey its a government website"
[07:55] <Locomotor> you can partition with a few disks
[07:55] <nick_> anyone from canada?
[07:55] <wolferine> so ill ask again
[07:55] <cotyrothery> im scared to partion
[07:56] <cotyrothery> I would like to install my ubuntu and edubuntu cds
[07:56] <cotyrothery> but im scared that i might mess up what i have
[07:56] <wolferine> how can I confirm I have the ALSA OSS driver.
[07:56] <wolferine> ?
[07:56] <Locomotor> is too easy, but if you scare, then one os by disk is a good choice
[07:56] <Dragoonboy> evening all... anyone know anything about ATI driver installs? im having issues
[07:56] <intelikey> i have installed four os's per hd  and one os per three hd's   ...
[07:56] <wolferine> cotyrothery, seems your a bit too green for ubuntu
[07:56] <cotyrothery> hmmm
[07:57] <cotyrothery> whats wrong with that
[07:57] <cotyrothery> i love ubuntu
[07:57] <wolferine> im sure you do
[07:57] <intelikey> cotyrothery nothing. don't let it get to ya.
[07:57] <cotyrothery> i have all there os's
[07:57] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:57] <cotyrothery> maybe one day i might be programming for it
[07:57] <cotyrothery> helping out with it
[07:58] <nick_> is there any real difference between ubuntu and kubuntu either than the look?
[07:58] <Locomotor> and you should try beryl
[07:58] <intelikey> wolferine lsmod | grep oss
[07:58] <cotyrothery> were do i get beryl
[07:58] <Dragoonboy> or can anyone assist in installing the fglrx drivers?
[07:58] <Locomotor> nop , ubuntu is gnome and kubuntu kde
[07:58] <nick_> wich is better?
[07:58] <nick_> i guess, wich 'looks' better
[07:58] <wolferine> cotyrothery, google ubuntu manual
[07:58] <Locomotor> i like kde
[07:58] <wolferine> its all in there
[07:59] <intelikey> !beryl > cotyrothery it can be trubblesum but ...
[07:59] <Locomotor> but is a free world
[07:59] <nick_> im liking the kde too....then again never tried gnome
[07:59] <cotyrothery> it takes me to a forum
[07:59] <wolferine> intelikey, this is great, but am I looking for something specific?
[07:59] <cotyrothery> for some reason i cant get ubuntu to start up correctly
[07:59] <cotyrothery> anyways
[07:59] <cotyrothery> it frezzes
[07:59] <cotyrothery> and acts weird
[08:00] <wolferine> for example, if I am not using an alsa oss
[08:00] <intelikey> you wanted to know if alsa-oss support was present.  look and see wolferine
[08:00] <Dragoonboy> does anyone see me typing?
[08:00] <Locomotor> cotyrothery, try searching beryl videos on youtube
[08:00] <cotyrothery> there cool
[08:00] <wolferine> intelikey, thanks
[08:00] <a-u-51> loco what ati card do u have?
[08:00] <intelikey> np
[08:00] <cotyrothery> people doing all sorts of things with the windows
[08:00] <nick_> dragon...yes but its busy lol
[08:00] <Locomotor> jaja
[08:01] <wolferine> how do I setup an ALSA OSS driver for my sound??
[08:01] <Dragoonboy> oh, just checking... I didnt know if nickserv and I were getting along....
[08:01] <Locomotor> alsa-conf?
[08:01] <Locomotor> i really dont remember
[08:01] <intelikey> wolferine sudo modprobe snd-alsa-oss      i think   you can use bash completion to check the name.
[08:02] <cotyrothery> so how do i set up wine
[08:02] <cotyrothery> im reading the readme
[08:02] <wolferine> cotyrothery, read the manual
[08:02] <cotyrothery> i am
[08:03] <wolferine> then dont ask, read
[08:03] <cotyrothery> i clicked on ./tools/wineinstall
[08:03] <cotyrothery> nothing happened
[08:03] <wolferine> intelikey, FATAL: Module snd_alsa_oss not found.
[08:03] <cotyrothery> unless i do it through konsole
[08:03] <cotyrothery> ??
[08:03] <wolferine> cotyrothery, u should really take ppls advice
[08:03] <Dragoonboy> well, when someone gets a chance: I installed fglrx via synaptic. However I can't get xorg to utilize the driver. xorg.conf will only work with "vesa" as the driver. anyone have any ideas?
[08:03] <Locomotor> at least you should get a more detailed description of error
[08:03] <intelikey> cotyrothery if you installed it it is "setup"  do you mean "configure it" ?  or  "use it" ?
[08:04] <intelikey> wolferine so use bash completion to find the correct name.
[08:04] <wolferine> for what?
[08:04] <intelikey> for what you want
[08:04] <cotyrothery> I just downloaded it
[08:04] <cotyrothery> and it says something about wineinstall
[08:04] <intelikey> !wine
[08:04] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[08:05] <intelikey> !info wine
[08:05] <wolferine> intelikey, if I dont know what it is, how would I go about looking for it?
[08:05] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.22-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 42452 kB
[08:05] <openstandards> cotyrothery: when you say you downloaded it you used the package manager right?
[08:05] <cotyrothery> no
[08:05] <cotyrothery> it was not in the package manager
[08:06] <openstandards> it is
[08:06] <cotyrothery> so i downloaded it from softpedia
[08:06] <wolferine> cotyrothery, read the ubuntu guide
[08:06] <wolferine> it has it all
[08:06] <cotyrothery> i put in wine
[08:06] <cotyrothery> nothing came up
[08:07] <openstandards> cotyrothery: 1. always try to use the package manager you'll get problems later on if you don't
[08:07] <intelikey> wolferine    in the koncole     . /etc/bash_completion    <<<< the dot is important.    then  >>>  sudo modprobe snd-[tab] [tab]   <<< it should ask if you want to view the whole list.
[08:07] <intelikey> wolferine [tab]   means hit the tab key
[08:07] <wolferine> in the koncole     . /etc/bash_completion    <<<< the dot is important. <-- what is that all about
[08:08] <openstandards> cotyrothery: http://ubuntuguide.org/ visit that
[08:08] <openstandards> have a read and then ask questions :P
[08:08] <intelikey> cotyrothery you see the guy that was on to you ^ how helpless he is...
[08:08] <intelikey> wolferine it means run that.
[08:09] <wolferine> run what?
[08:09] <intelikey> yes that's right wolferine i'm finished.
[08:09] <wolferine> ?
[08:09] <wolferine> your finished, good to hear
[08:09] <wolferine> now what did you mean exactly?
[08:10] <a-u-51> crazy
[08:10] <cotyrothery> what is happening
[08:10] <a-u-51> world coming to an end
[08:10] <intelikey> cotyrothery net split
[08:11] <intelikey> cotyrothery one server got de-sync'd from the others.
[08:11] <cotyrothery> what is going on
[08:12] <wolferine> intel, what did you mean about running that command?
[08:12] <cotyrothery> oh
[08:12] <cotyrothery> wierd
[08:12] <cotyrothery> that was cool
[08:12] <intelikey> it happens some times.
[08:13] <openstandards> cotyrothery: a net split, basically those on another server get disconnected they will rejoin again soon
[08:13] <cotyrothery> I cant wait until the next
[08:13] <cotyrothery> ok
[08:13] <openstandards> net splits are fun
[08:13] <cotyrothery> yeah
[08:13] <cotyrothery> i thought i was going to be by myself
[08:14] <openstandards> binks: get back to bed its too early to be up
[08:14] <openstandards> its like 7
[08:14] <intelikey> there is only one server with less than 10 in this channel... and it has 4 so you wouldn't be alone...
[08:14] <cotyrothery> oh
[08:14] <cotyrothery> well that would have been cool
[08:14] <cotyrothery> only a few of us
[08:14] <cotyrothery> why are there so many on
[08:15] <intelikey> other networks, other channels you can have that all the time.   if you want a big channel try #ubuntu
[08:15] <wolferine> intelikey, what were you trying to explain?
[08:16] <openstandards> intelikey: ubuntu is a nightmare its so hard helping in that channel
[08:16] <intelikey> openstandards i know.
[08:16] <intelikey> openstandards i tried #debian  they don't allow my user name...
[08:16] <openstandards> the pace of this channel is a lot nicer
[08:17] <openstandards> how comes?
[08:17] <intelikey> /whois me
[08:17] <netdaemon> has anyone bought from system 76?
[08:17] <binks> openstandards: how do u now where i am ffs
[08:18] <intelikey> openstandards i didn't say my "nickname" i said "user name"
[08:18] <binks> lol that is
[08:18] <cotyrothery> anyone have a psp
[08:18] <wolferine> your just full of questions tonight
[08:18] <cotyrothery> i love my psp and i love kubutu
[08:18] <wolferine> all across the board
[08:18] <cotyrothery> yes i am
[08:18] <cotyrothery> yep
[08:18] <openstandards>  binks has joined this channel (n=binks@82-38-226-77.cable.ubr03.wake.blueyonder.co.uk). <-- thats how
[08:18] <cotyrothery> well how would you be
[08:18] <wolferine> you want to know what I had for supper tonight too?
[08:18] <cotyrothery> if you just go kubuntu installed
[08:19] <cotyrothery> nope
[08:19] <cotyrothery> lol
[08:19] <wolferine> good
[08:19] <cotyrothery> going by your name it probley was not to good
[08:19] <binks> oh i see lol you near by then and im up cos the kids are up and i need to get avidemux running
[08:19] <openstandards> ahh
[08:20] <cotyrothery> what do wolferines eat
[08:20] <Jucato> !offtopic
[08:20] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:20] <openstandards> intelikey: logged in as root? you insane?
[08:20] <intelikey> openstandards no
[08:20] <openstandards> i was going to say
[08:21] <openstandards> brb need more caffine
[08:21] <shinigami> security.ubuntu.com is down?
[08:21] <openstandards> i'm starting to feel rough too much coffee
[08:21] <cotyrothery> thats my problem
[08:21] <cotyrothery> i have had to much coffee
[08:21] <Jucato> shinigami: not from my end
[08:22] <intelikey> but openstandards if i tried to login to your box as "vir"  would there be an account by that name with a password that a script could crack given a little time ?     and if so would i not then have full root access to your box ?     so i use a "username"   and root is generic
[08:23] <cotyrothery> great now i cant get in to adept
[08:23] <intelikey> cotyrothery something already using dpkg ?
[08:23] <cotyrothery> !dpkg
[08:23] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[08:23] <cotyrothery> yes i am
[08:24] <cotyrothery> it wont start
[08:24] <cotyrothery> it gives me an error
[08:24] <intelikey> can't have but one thing using dpkg at a time that's a safty feature
[08:24] <cotyrothery> i only have one
[08:24] <firecrotch> !adeptfix
[08:24] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:25] <intelikey> cotyrothery update-manager ?
[08:25] <cotyrothery> that is not what happened
[08:25] <shinigami> 99% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.138)]                      for a longggg time
[08:25] <openstandards> intelikey: it would take a long time to brute force my password its quite a secure password :)
[08:25] <firecrotch> cotyrothery: It doesn't necessarily have to crash to leave the database locked
[08:25] <shinigami> !alien
[08:25] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[08:25] <openstandards> no ssh and behind a hardware firewall :)
[08:25] <cotyrothery> nothing locks
[08:25] <firecrotch> cotyrothery:  What is the error that you get then?
[08:25] <cotyrothery> hold on
[08:25] <cotyrothery> let me get it again
[08:26] <intelikey> openstandards well mines not.  it's only mmmmm  35 chars will upper lower and numeric plus other printable chars...  so not to secure
[08:26] <cotyrothery> could not open cache
[08:26] <intelikey> openstandards but even at that the account doesn't have sudoer access
[08:26] <cotyrothery> The APT Database could not be opened!
[08:26] <openstandards> damn thats more insane than my set up
[08:27] <firecrotch> !adeptfix
[08:27] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:27] <firecrotch> cotyrothery: that's what you need
[08:27] <cotyrothery> ok
[08:28] <shinigami> could anyone do a apt-get update now? im still stuck at security.ubuntu.com
[08:28] <intelikey> shinigami testing now for you.
[08:28] <shinigami> pinging security.ubuntu.com works :<
[08:29] <firecrotch> security.ubuntu.com is indeed being slow.
[08:29] <intelikey> seems to work under dapper
[08:30] <firecrotch> the archive is being updated
[08:30] <shinigami> k..im using edgy
[08:30] <wolferine> is there a .iso with the 7 beta available now?
[08:30] <intelikey> ummm maybe i spoke too soon.
[08:30] <cotyrothery> that is not working
[08:31] <intelikey> shinigami fear not.   i'm hung at   [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.138)]   also.
[08:31] <firecrotch> Yeah, security.ubuntu.com redirects packets to auckland.ubuntu.com, which is having it's archive updated right now
[08:31] <shinigami> oh yeah.. :) let's wait awhile..
[08:31] <cotyrothery> if i restart the computer will that solve the problem
[08:31] <firecrotch> cotyrothery:  it may
[08:31] <cotyrothery> ok
[08:31] <intelikey> there ya go.
[08:33] <intelikey> well i sussposes that i should just remove restricted from this system   nvidia-glx aint a gonna work anyway
[08:33] <Dragoonboy> hi, can anyone tell me how to downgrade kernels? I need to use an earler verson?
[08:33] <shinigami> !lexmark
[08:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lexmark - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:34] <shinigami> !printers
[08:34] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[08:34] <intelikey> Dragoonboy are you sure you need to down grade ?
[08:34] <shinigami> can i install alien without going through apt-get ?
[08:34] <wolferine> synaptic?
[08:35] <Dragoonboy> Intelikey: yes, You have to recompile the kernel module after each kernel update! NOTE: the fglrx source code requires Linux 2.6.19 or lower. It is not yet prepared for 2.6.20.
[08:35] <Dragoonboy> thats per the wiki
[08:35] <Dragoonboy> and im using 2.6.20
[08:36] <intelikey> apt-get install linux-image-<version>
[08:36] <Dragoonboy> ah, at least something is simple
[08:36] <Dragoonboy> thanks
[08:37] <Dragoonboy> can I wget that? and where (if one could?)
[08:37] <cotyrothery> nope it did not work
[08:38] <cotyrothery> !adptfix
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adptfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:38] <cotyrothery> !adeptfix
[08:38] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:38] <intelikey> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:38] <intelikey> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:39] <cotyrothery> it locks up
[08:39] <cotyrothery> i put that in the konsole and then it says password
[08:40] <cotyrothery> but it wont let me type anything
[08:40] <Jucato> cotyrothery: you won't see the password you are typing. that's normal
[08:40] <intelikey> yeah it will.  you won't see it.  just type.
[08:40] <cotyrothery> ok
[08:40] <cotyrothery> yep that worked
[08:41] <cotyrothery> but adept still does not work
[08:41] <intelikey> you did the second part of that ?
[08:41] <intelikey> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:41] <cotyrothery> yes
[08:42] <cotyrothery> so what could be the problem now
[08:43] <intelikey> cotyrothery it doesn't start minimized or something does it?
[08:43] <cotyrothery> no
[08:43] <cotyrothery> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[08:44] <intelikey> so did you     sudo apt-setup           sudo apt-get update    ?
[08:45] <cotyrothery> let me try
[08:45] <intelikey> like the error message said to try
[08:45] <intelikey> some times those error messages know just what you need....
[08:45] <cotyrothery> its not working
[08:45] <intelikey> but not always.
[08:45] <intelikey> what did it error out with ?
[08:45] <cotyrothery> it tells me there is no such command
[08:46] <cotyrothery> sudo: apt-setup: command not found
[08:46] <intelikey> heh i don't have it either.  it was in  hoary and maybe breezy
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> !adept crash fix
[08:47] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, anyone know the correct command?
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> col
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> !botsnack
[08:47] <ubotu> Yum!
[08:47] <cotyrothery> lol
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> grr, stupid computer crashed
[08:48] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago that was the correct command    sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:48] <intelikey> has it changed ?
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i know, i needed that...thanks intelikey
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> its...in...universe
[08:50] <Jucato> cotyrothery: you don't need adept to install it
[08:50] <Jucato> "sudo apt-get install kdevelop"
[08:50] <cotyrothery> ok
[08:50] <intelikey> cotyrothery i don't know that they are related, but you may have to wait until the security server is back to normal...
[08:50] <cotyrothery> hmmm..
[08:51] <cotyrothery> jucato: that command did not work
[08:51] <intelikey> Jucato his adept wont start.    that's the issue.  and the configure -a didn't fix it.
[08:51] <Jucato> cotyrothery: what does "sudo dpkg --configure -a" say? (use a pastebin if it's too long)
[08:52] <cotyrothery> it says nothing
[08:52] <Jucato> it does nothing?
[08:52] <cotyrothery> just goes back to prompt
[08:52] <cotyrothery> on another line
[08:52] <Jucato> how about "sudo apt-get -f install" ?
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> seem to have found a packaging bug...
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> or dependecy error actually
[08:52] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: edgy or feisty?
[08:52] <intelikey> too long = more than two lines.
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> feisty of course :)
[08:53] <Jucato> "D
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> cotyrothery: good. try kcmshell adept
[08:53] <cotyrothery> i found a bug
[08:53] <cotyrothery> what is kcmshell adept
[08:53] <cotyrothery> you forget im a noob ;p
[08:53] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: what? kcmshell adept? O.o
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> launches adept in a shell that will output any errors
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> isn't that correct Jucato?
[08:54] <Jucato> O.o
[08:54] <Jucato> first time I've heard of it...
[08:54] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago was that one in the dapper install of nvidia-glx-legacy  eariler ?    and who do i need to tell about it.... can't file a normal bug report i'm not regestered.
[08:54] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: kcmshell == command to run kcontrol modules in a shell/window
[08:55] <cotyrothery> so i did find a bug?
[08:55] <gelsen> join ubuntu-ro
[08:55] <Jucato> cotyrothery: no
[08:55] <gelsen> join #ubuntu-ro
[08:55] <Jucato> cotyrothery: did you run the second command that I gave?
[08:55] <cotyrothery> not yet
[08:55] <cotyrothery> let me go and do that
[08:55] <cotyrothery> did nothing
[08:56] <kraut> moin
[08:56] <bentob0x> ok I have a mount in my fstab that didn't mount because it wasn't powered up at boottime of this machine, how can I re-run my fstab without having to reboot?
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: you have to register into Launchpad.net just so we can track the bug with email
[08:56] <Jucato> cotyrothery: oh btw, are you on Dapper or on Edgy?
[08:56] <cotyrothery> i dont know
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> bentob0x: sudo umount -a && sudo mount -a
[08:56] <Jucato> cotyrothery: Kubuntu 6.06 or Kubuntu 6.10?
[08:56] <cotyrothery> kubuntu 6.06
[08:57] <Jucato> cotyrothery: ah... try this "sudo apt-get install kdevelop3"
[08:57] <intelikey> if    sudo apt-get install -f    returns without error adn adept wont start anymore there is something i'm not fameliar with going on....
[08:57] <cotyrothery> that did not work
[08:57] <Jucato> cotyrothery: how did it now work? what does it say?
[08:57] <cotyrothery> hold on
[08:57] <Jucato> !doesntwork
[08:57] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[08:58] <cotyrothery> E: Type 'kdevelop' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list E: The list of sources could not be read.
[08:58] <Admiral_Chicago> problem with the sources most likely
[08:58] <CarinArr> ;)
[08:58] <Admiral_Chicago> in fact, i know for a fact that it is
[08:58] <cotyrothery> so what should i do
[08:58] <CarinArr> !sourceomatic
[08:58] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:59] <kraut> is security.ubuntu.com down?
[08:59] <Jucato> cotyrothery: aaah you have a bad sources.list file
[08:59] <firecrotch> kraut: Yep
[08:59] <kraut> i got icmp echo requests but couldn't open a socket to tcp 80
[08:59] <kraut> ah, ok
[08:59] <intelikey> yep thats the good ole "i edited my sources.list, but now i can't install it'   but.    called   pebcak
[08:59] <cotyrothery> how did that happen
[08:59] <Admiral_Chicago> kraut: no
[08:59] <kraut> firecrotch: do you know any alternativ mirror?
[09:00] <cotyrothery> I just installed kubuntu
[09:00] <cotyrothery> how do i already have a bad source file
[09:00] <firecrotch> kraut: no, sorry
[09:00] <Jucato> cotyrothery: E: The list of sources could not be read. <---
[09:00] <cotyrothery> oh
[09:00] <kraut> firecrotch: hmm, ok. then i'll try it later again
[09:00] <Jucato> cotyrothery: not a source file. but a sources.list file
[09:00] <meme-1> What is it with nicks not timing out (or at least taking a long time) I suffer from very inreliable high speed internet... what a pain to get back into IRC. Kubuntu isn't too bad but #fedora is very difficult because you need to be registered before you can chat!
[09:01] <cotyrothery> so do i go to that site
[09:01] <meme-1> unreliable NOT inreliable! lol
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, someone around to help with wireless problems
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> !wireless
[09:01] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:01] <intelikey> cotyrothery and one file in particular   /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:01] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: What seems to be the problem?
[09:01] <cotyrothery> ok im on that site
[09:02] <cotyrothery> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:02] <cotyrothery> thats the site im at
[09:02] <Admiral_Chicago> firecrotch: i have an open source driver, can see the device, its enabled can see all the networks.
[09:02] <Admiral_Chicago> can't connect
[09:02] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: Try using knetworkmanager (if you're not already)
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> firecrotch: tried it, will try again
[09:03] <CarinArr> Admiral_Chicago: it might be worth trying to use iwconfig irectly as well
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> CarinArr: yea, let me try that in a sec
[09:03] <CarinArr> my wireless card on my desktop is very temperamental and i haven't got it to work with any of the network apps, but i can get it to connect using iwconfig
[09:04] <Admiral_Chicago> CarinArr: i'll keep that in mind, get back to you in a minute
[09:05] <cotyrothery> ok it is generating a source.list
[09:05] <CarinArr> right, am off to work now, but will be online again in 30 minutes or so
[09:05] <CarinArr> see yous all on in a bit
[09:05] <cotyrothery> kate came up
[09:06] <bentob0x> that worked like a charm Admiral_Chicago, thank you
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> how can i see the default gateway IP?
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> np bentob0x...i forgot what i told you...but i'm glad it worked
[09:06] <netdaemon> ifconfig
[09:06] <bentob0x> the mounting thing ^^
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> netdaemon: i know, but i need to know where in there. I have that open :)
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> is it the bcast one?
[09:07] <netdaemon> that would give you the good idea of the subnet
[09:07] <cotyrothery> i have the new source.list
[09:07] <cotyrothery> what do i do with ti
[09:07] <netdaemon> just replace .255 with .1
[09:07] <netdaemon> ;)
[09:07] <intelikey> ok i now have adept package manager like everyone else in here... i think i'll start a gui and look at it.     (expecting to hate it...)
[09:07] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: I believe so
[09:08] <firecrotch> might be addr: though
[09:08] <Jucato> intelikey: self-fulfilling prophecy :P
[09:08] <netdaemon> addr is his address
[09:08] <cotyrothery> intelikey: what do i do with my newly generated source.list
[09:08] <Jucato> but Adept has gotten better in Feisty
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> see i'm on my school network, so its hard to figure out imho
[09:08] <netdaemon> Admiral_Chicago: what does Bcast say?
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> what up posingaspopular :)
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> 10.122.255.255
[09:09] <netdaemon> 10.122.255.1 is probably the gateway
[09:09] <posingaspopular> Admiral_Chicago, just got on the comp, had some tea. im not sleeping tonight i think
[09:09] <posingaspopular> might as well hang out in here
[09:09] <Jucato> lol
[09:09] <intelikey> Jucato just said expecting.  not that it was definite
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> me neither
[09:09] <Jucato> intelikey: you can be surprised at how much our expectations shape our actual outcomes :)
[09:10] <cotyrothery> can someone tell me what i need to do with this source.list
[09:10] <intelikey> cotyrothery you put it in /etc/apt/
[09:10] <Jucato> ... I am *NOT* drinking that slimming coffee again! :/
[09:10] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:10] <cotyrothery> is there a command
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> copy and paste...
[09:10] <intelikey> cotyrothery sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/
[09:10] <Jucato> cotyrothery: I believe that web page gives you the command
[09:10] <cotyrothery> it came up in kate
[09:10] <cotyrothery> so do i just save as
[09:11] <cotyrothery> in to /etc/apt
[09:11] <intelikey> if you can.
[09:11] <intelikey> i doubt you can.
[09:11] <posingaspopular> Admiral_Chicago, http://www.chicagolug.org/planet/ fourth down
[09:11] <dirgedoll> i am hella confused. this is the first time i am using linux and i downloaded superkaramba  with ark and dont know what to do next, please help!!!! thanks
[09:11] <cotyrothery> it want me to overright
[09:11] <cotyrothery> should i
[09:12] <intelikey> yeah
[09:12] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:12] <cotyrothery> now it should work right?
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> knetwork manager hangs on configuring device
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> thoughts?
[09:12] <intelikey> cotyrothery should
[09:12] <cotyrothery> nope
[09:12] <cotyrothery> it didn't
[09:12] <firecrotch> dirgedoll: You have to download what are known as "themes" (similar to Widgets in OS X)
[09:13] <Jucato> cotyrothery: you have to run "sudo apt-get update" first
[09:13] <akrus> KNetworkManager is laggy ~_~
[09:13] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:13] <Jucato> everytime you edit something in sources.list
[09:13] <firecrotch> dirgedoll: You can download them from within superkarmaba
[09:13] <intelikey> Jucato can adept not update ?
[09:13] <dirgedoll> i dont know how to get superkaramba to work
[09:13] <Jucato> intelikey: of course it can
[09:13] <cotyrothery> still not working
[09:14] <Jucato> (but I was being lazy)
[09:14] <cotyrothery> says the same thing
[09:14] <cotyrothery> E: Type 'kdevelop' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, iwconfig doesn't have ESSID like it should...maybe?
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know
[09:14] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: nope... maybe posingaspopular knows?
[09:14] <nonuda_> !kicker-compiz
[09:14] <Jucato> cotyrothery: that's after running "sudo apt-get update"?
[09:14] <cotyrothery> should i reinstall kubuntu
[09:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kicker-compiz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <cotyrothery> yes
[09:15] <firecrotch> dirgedoll: It should be in your K menu, run it and a small blue roundish icon will show up in your system tray.  Right click that and it will let you open the superkaramba window, which will have a "Get Themes" option
[09:15] <Jucato> !pastebin | cotyrothery
[09:15] <ubotu> cotyrothery: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:15] <Jucato> cotyrothery: use the pastebin to paste the contents of your sources.list
[09:15] <cotyrothery> i closed them
[09:15] <posingaspopular> that doesn't make sense to me
[09:16] <cotyrothery> great
[09:16] <cotyrothery> now i have this problem
[09:16] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: Is the network you're trying to connect to using WEP or WPA?
[09:16] <dirgedoll> it isnt there i have kubuntu 6.06
[09:16] <Admiral_Chicago> no encryption if thats what you ask
[09:16] <cotyrothery> could someone give me there
[09:17] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago:  Yeah, I kinda worded that ambiguously...
[09:17] <intelikey> cotyrothery would you like me to fix that for you ?
[09:17] <cotyrothery> yes
[09:17] <cotyrothery> pleeeeasaaase
[09:17] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: Perhaps they are using MAC address filtering?
[09:18] <intelikey> cotyrothery i will give you several commands each inside # command is here # marks ok.
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure, i know we have to use DHCP to connect
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> that is all you need to connect apparently
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> wait, let me try something
[09:18] <cotyrothery> intelikey: ok do what you have to do
[09:18] <intelikey> cotyrothery all of them you run in the konsole.
[09:18] <intelikey> ok.
[09:18] <cotyrothery> k
[09:19] <intelikey> # sudo -i #
[09:19] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:19] <cotyrothery> nothing happened
[09:19] <intelikey> cotyrothery that should give you a root shell    does it say root in the prompt ?
[09:19] <posingaspopular> rof. Admiral_Chicago http://wiki.dinosaurseateverybody.com/index.php?title=The_3_Rules_of_Life
[09:20] <cotyrothery> i get nothing
[09:20] <cotyrothery> it goes on to another line
[09:20] <posingaspopular> im blogging that
[09:20] <Admiral_Chicago> posingaspopular: lets use our other channel
[09:20] <posingaspopular> ohh right OT
[09:20] <intelikey> cotyrothery yes but does the prompt have something like   root@hostname./home/blah #  ?
[09:20] <cotyrothery> no
[09:21] <cotyrothery> coty@coty-desktop:~$
[09:21] <intelikey> did you type what was between # and #  ?
[09:21] <cotyrothery> yes
[09:21] <intelikey> don't add the #
[09:21] <cotyrothery> oh
[09:21] <intelikey> ok when you get to the root prompt let me know.
[09:21] <cotyrothery> it wants my password
[09:22] <intelikey> cotyrothery so give it
[09:22] <cotyrothery> root@coty-desktop:~#
[09:22] <intelikey> k
[09:22] <intelikey> cotyrothery # echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[09:22] <intelikey> wait
[09:22] <intelikey> cotyrothery # echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse" > /etc/apt/sources.list #
[09:22] <cotyrothery> is that what i put in
[09:23] <cotyrothery> nothing
[09:23] <intelikey> put that line in  ^    all between  # and #
[09:23] <cotyrothery> nothing happened
[09:23] <intelikey> ok we are not looking for output.
[09:23] <cotyrothery> oh
[09:24] <intelikey> cotyrothery # echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse" >> /etc/apt/sources.list #
[09:24] <firecrotch> cotyrothery: In general, Linux command line stuff only produces output when there are errors, or when it is a command that is requesting output
[09:24] <intelikey> now that one.   and there will be three more commands after it.
[09:25] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:25] <intelikey> cotyrothery # echo "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe" >> /etc/apt/sources.list #
[09:25] <intelikey> multiverse
[09:25] <intelikey> that's not it
[09:25] <intelikey> pasted wrong.
[09:25] <intelikey> cotyrothery # echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse" >> /etc/apt/sources.list #
[09:25] <intelikey> that's it   ^
[09:26] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:26] <intelikey> cotyrothery ok  # apt-get update #
[09:27] <intelikey> cotyrothery this time there will be output.
[09:27] <cotyrothery> it is
[09:27] <cotyrothery> connecting
[09:27] <intelikey> just kinda watch for Error:  or E:   messages.
[09:27] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:28] <intelikey> ah man security is still down....
[09:29] <intelikey> cotyrothery it may (probably will) time out on the "security" databases    the server is not accepting any traffic still....
[09:30] <cotyrothery> its working fine
[09:30] <cotyrothery> it finished
[09:31] <cotyrothery> now what
[09:32] <intelikey> ok # apt-get dist-upgrade #    note that will not change the version of kubuntu it will only apply patches and security updates that are avalable
[09:32] <cotyrothery> it works
[09:32] <cotyrothery> adept works now
[09:32] <cotyrothery> thanks
[09:32] <cotyrothery> do i need to put that in
[09:32] <intelikey> you shouldn't have srarted adept just yet.
[09:32] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:32] <cotyrothery> i closed it
[09:32] <intelikey> but that's ok.   # exit #
[09:33] <cotyrothery> im doing the update
[09:33] <intelikey> ok when it finishes do the exit.
[09:33] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:33] <intelikey> and you can do what you will
[09:33] <cotyrothery> done
[09:33] <cotyrothery> thanks
[09:34] <intelikey> and you're welcome
[09:34] <cotyrothery> man i have no idea what i would so with out your guys
[09:34] <intelikey> now would you like an explanation of what happened ?
[09:34] <cotyrothery> sure
[09:35] <intelikey> ok   i don't know exactly how but somehow you messed up your origenal /etc/apt/sources.list   probably in adept  editing the sources.
[09:35] <cotyrothery> oh
[09:35] <cotyrothery> for some reason now i cant get it to opne
[09:35] <cotyrothery> open
[09:36] <intelikey> then when you thought you fixed it  from using that wiesite  you actually didn't change anything because you were not root.
[09:36] <cotyrothery> it showed that it was loading
[09:36] <intelikey> then lastly i stepped in with cli solution
[09:36] <cotyrothery> oh ok
[09:37] <intelikey> cotyrothery is apt-get still running the update ?
[09:37] <cotyrothery> no
[09:37] <intelikey> and does adept work ?
[09:37] <cotyrothery> no
[09:37] <cotyrothery> it shows that it is loading
[09:37] <cotyrothery> then it goes away
[09:37] <mackyman> Morning!
[09:38] <cotyrothery> and nothing happens
[09:38] <cotyrothery> !morning
[09:38] <intelikey> ok do this in the konsole # cat /etc/apt/sources.list #  and you can pm me the output.
[09:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about morning - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <intelikey> or pastebin which ever you like.
[09:38] <nonuda_> intelikey, do u know how to make beryl start automatically in kde?
[09:38] <cotyrothery> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[09:39] <cotyrothery> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[09:39] <cotyrothery> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[09:39] <cotyrothery> that is what i got
[09:39] <intelikey> nonuda_ no never seen beryl.
[09:39] <nonuda_> lol..ok then
[09:39] <intelikey> cotyrothery ok that's still correct.
[09:39] <cotyrothery> then why is it not loading
[09:40] <intelikey> try # sudo dpkg --configure -a #
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> nonuda_: have you checked out the beryl wiki on their pages
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> quality stuff
[09:40] <cotyrothery> nothing happened
[09:40] <intelikey> it may be the way you are closing adept.   let me experiment with it just a little....
[09:40] <intelikey> see if it works now.
[09:40] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:41] <firecrotch> nonuda_: You need to add a symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart to /usr/bin/beryl-manager
[09:41] <cotyrothery> works
[09:41] <cotyrothery> i take that back
[09:41] <cotyrothery> it does not work
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> firecrotch: might want to also create an XGL session in KDM
[09:41] <cotyrothery> ok it works
[09:41] <cotyrothery> thanks
[09:42] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: Why?
[09:42] <nonuda_> how to add a symlink?
[09:42] <cotyrothery> now i want to install a few things
[09:42] <cotyrothery> but there not on the list
[09:42] <cotyrothery> like wine
[09:42] <cotyrothery> and kdevelop
[09:43] <intelikey> cotyrothery for safty sake when closing adept use the adept menu quit button rather than the  [X]   in the corner
[09:43] <firecrotch> nonuda_: ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manger ~/.kde/Autostart/beryl-manager
[09:43] <firecrotch> *manager
[09:43] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:43] <nonuda_> only that?
[09:44] <cotyrothery> goodie
[09:44] <cotyrothery> it now has wine
[09:44] <cotyrothery> how did that happen
[09:45] <cotyrothery> it did not have it before
[09:45] <firecrotch> nonuda_: Yeah, but you may want to follow Admiral_Chicago's advice to create an XGL session in KDM (I'd tell you how, but I don't know myself)
[09:45] <intelikey> cotyrothery cause i fixed your sources.list
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> like I said, the beryl wiki is great at that
[09:45] <cotyrothery> oh
[09:45] <cotyrothery> thanks
[09:46] <intelikey> it has all official and officially supported repos except backports which can cause trubble and should only be added for specific installs
[09:46] <cotyrothery> it even has kdevelop
[09:46] <nonuda_> hmm..got to go to beryl wiki now
[09:46] <intelikey> but of course.
[09:47] <cotyrothery> so once wine is downloaded and installed
[09:47] <cotyrothery> what do i do
[09:47] <cotyrothery> is there an icon or something
[09:47] <cotyrothery> that i click on
[09:48] <intelikey> no   konsole   # wine /path/to/file.exe #    and it will open it's own window and run in it.
[09:48] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:53] <intelikey> or you can right click on an executable (file.exe) in konqueror and select open with wine.
[09:53] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:53] <intelikey> note; not all windows .exe will run in wine.
[09:53] <cotyrothery> so if i ever decided to upgrade how would i
[09:53] <cotyrothery> would i need a burner
[09:53] <intelikey> and also a side note; in my experance wine is slow slow slow loading  but once the window comes up you are ok.
[09:53] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:53] <cotyrothery> thx
[09:53] <xardias> anyone has problems connecting to icq with kopete just now?
[09:53] <intelikey> upgrade is fully network supported.
[09:53] <intelikey> !upgrade
[09:53] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:53] <cotyrothery> intelikey
[09:53] <cotyrothery> if you ever get a pps
[09:53] <intelikey> if you want information on that ^
[09:53] <cotyrothery> psp
[09:53] <cotyrothery> i will help you hack it
[09:53] <intelikey> ok...
[09:53] <cotyrothery> When hacked it can run unsigned code
[09:53] <cotyrothery> i even got kubuntu to work on it
[09:53] <cotyrothery> using bochs
[09:53] <firecrotch> cotyrothery: You ran Kubuntu on your PSP?!
[09:53] <cotyrothery> yes
[09:53] <cotyrothery> even windows
[09:55] <cotyrothery> it emulates it
[09:55] <cotyrothery> you put the disk image on the psp memory stick
[09:55] <cotyrothery> then start up bochs
[09:56] <cotyrothery> k i configured wine
[09:57] <intelikey> hmmm adept is bad slow loading on this old box.
[09:57] <cotyrothery> how do i get wine to work again
[09:58] <intelikey> i can install and remove the same package three times from the command line before this adept gets done reading the datbases.
[09:58] <intelikey> cotyrothery i mentioned two ways  scroll up.
[09:58] <intelikey> page-up key
[09:59] <cotyrothery> so confusing
 no   konsole   # wine /path/to/file.exe #    and it will open it's own window and run in it.<intelikey> or you can right click on an executable (file.exe) in konqueror and select open with wine.
[09:59] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:00] <cotyrothery> so i need to put my cd in
[10:00] <cotyrothery> because that is what i want to run
[10:00] <intelikey> if that's where the executabls is
[10:00] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:04] <intelikey> lol.   using adept when you actually tell it to install or remove something it tuns the command  apt-get blah blah blah        hehhe
[10:04] <cotyrothery> its asking for a windows drive
[10:04] <cotyrothery> what drive should i install
[10:05] <cotyrothery> it's giveing me drive c
[10:05] <intelikey> cotyrothery probably needs some .dll 's    do you have an installed windows system ?  if so point it at that.
[10:05] <cotyrothery> no
[10:05] <cotyrothery> i erased windows
[10:06] <intelikey> oh wait.  it asking for an "install" location to write to ?
[10:06] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:06] <intelikey> try c
[10:06] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:06] <intelikey> i think it emulates that in your home dir.
[10:07] <intelikey> ~/.wine/c:  or something like that
[10:07] <intelikey> don't recall.
[10:08] <intelikey> well ok. i used adept one time.  i can remove it from the system now.
[10:09] <intelikey> i think i'll install minimal on a spare drive....
[10:10] <intelikey> it's a 1g drive i think i'll partition it.  no need in wasting all that space.
[10:10] <cotyrothery> im going to try and install edubuntu today
[10:11] <intelikey> anyone know what the name of the textmode installer is ?
[10:12] <cotyrothery> oie godie
[10:12] <cotyrothery> this is so cooool
[10:12] <cotyrothery> all the developing tools
[10:13] <intelikey> cotyrothery i think you are going to like linux ...
[10:13] <cotyrothery> yep
[10:13] <cotyrothery> i think so to
[10:13] <cotyrothery> for my first project ever in kubuntu
[10:13] <intelikey> oh did you install build-essential  ?
[10:13] <cotyrothery> im going to do a Hello Kubunut
[10:13] <cotyrothery> no
[10:14] <cotyrothery> why
[10:14] <cotyrothery> should it
[10:14] <cotyrothery> i
[10:14] <intelikey> yes do.
[10:14] <cotyrothery> what is it
[10:14] <intelikey> !b-e
[10:14] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:14] <intelikey> you can read about it  ^
[10:14] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:14] <os2mac> Hi all, anyone want to hear the status of a dist upgrade?
[10:14] <intelikey> sure
[10:15] <cotyrothery> intelikey: i can teach you one line of c++
[10:15] <os2mac> works great. even fixed my long broken wireless nic....
[10:15] <intelikey> ok cotyrothery in return i'll teach you a little bash
[10:15] <cotyrothery> a simple input out put line is
[10:15] <intelikey> os2mac feisty ?
[10:16] <cotyrothery> #include <iostream.h>
[10:16] <intelikey> nice.
[10:16] <cotyrothery> using namespace std;
[10:16] <cotyrothery> int main(void)
[10:16] <cotyrothery> {
[10:16] <cotyrothery>       cout << "Hello World";
[10:16] <cotyrothery>         return 0;
[10:16] <cotyrothery> }
[10:16] <root> Can I install kubuntu using the livecd of another distro?
[10:16] <cotyrothery> there you go
[10:17] <os2mac> yeah.
[10:17] <intelikey> cotyrothery the most valuable bash command is   # man man #        where the second man is sometimes replaced by other commands.   intro   for example.
[10:17] <cotyrothery> now compile your work
[10:17] <os2mac> and I have a broadcom nic.
[10:17] <cotyrothery> i have never heard of bash
[10:17] <os2mac> what?
[10:17] <intelikey> open  konsole   and you are in a bash shell.
[10:17] <os2mac> you have never heard of bash?
[10:17] <cotyrothery> oh
[10:17] <cotyrothery> never mind
[10:18] <os2mac> csh, ksh, sh,?
[10:18] <Kuwanger> Well, I guess that means figuring out how to install a boot loader.
[10:19] <intelikey> Kuwanger which one ?
[10:19] <cotyrothery> wow time flys
[10:19] <cotyrothery> its 4:19 am here
[10:19] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Which one what?
[10:19] <intelikey> boot loader
[10:20] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Good question.  Seeing as this live cd seems to be relatively old, I assume its boot loader is too.  So, I'm not sure the logic behind using its boot loader.
[10:20] <Kuwanger> Not to mention not really knowing how to use its bootloader..
[10:21] <intelikey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:21] <intelikey> check those ^
[10:22] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Well, I don't have Windows installed.  And, I don't know if I have grub.  Even if I do, it's a rather old version.
[10:22] <intelikey> doesn't matter about having windows install the process is the same.  it's about installing grub from a liveCD  just go look.
[10:23] <intelikey> it is apropos
[10:24] <cotyrothery> how do i compile my work
[10:24] <cotyrothery> with kdevelop
[10:24] <intelikey> did you install build-essential ?
[10:24] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:24] <intelikey> ok then you do have the gcc compiler installed.
[10:25] <intelikey> so you are the "code monkey" in that tree... not me.
[10:25] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:25] <cotyrothery> i know
[10:25] <cotyrothery> but all the IDE's i have used like bloodshed
[10:25] <cotyrothery> have a button you just click compile
[10:26] <cotyrothery> i dont see one with kdevelope
[10:26] <cotyrothery> unless i make a main.c file
[10:26] <cotyrothery> and a makefile
[10:26] <cotyrothery> and point it at that
[10:26] <intelikey> there is probably one in there somewhere.
[10:26] <cotyrothery> and put in "make"
[10:26] <intelikey> button
[10:27] <Kuwanger> intelikey: "The file /mnt/lin/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
[10:28] <Kuwanger> intelikey: That's from doing "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/lin /dev/hda"
[10:28] <intelikey> hmmmm  file does exist doesn't it ?
[10:28] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Where?
[10:29] <intelikey>  /mnt/lin/boot/grub/stage1
[10:29] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Nope.
[10:29] <intelikey> or /mnt/lin/boot/grub/stage1*
[10:29] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Only thing in /mnt/lin/boot/grub is device.map
[10:29] <myTB|Tanuva> does one of you know if its possible to switch off automounting for specific devices?
[10:29] <cotyrothery> intelikey: do you get head aches from so many questions everyday?
[10:30] <myTB|Tanuva> or just turn it on for the cdrom?
[10:31] <intelikey> Kuwanger ok you can enter a grub shell  and do a root=(hd0,0)    setup        i think.    i'm not much of a grubber...
[10:31] <cotyrothery> what are some good programes that i should install?
[10:31] <intelikey> cotyrothery what do you like ?
[10:31] <os2mac> anyone know how to reorder the OS's in the grub loader?
[10:32] <cotyrothery> i dont know
[10:32] <Kuwanger> intelikey: (hd0,1) would be hda2, right?
[10:32] <cotyrothery> i like anything intresting
[10:32] <cotyrothery> hmm
[10:32] <cotyrothery> what do you like
[10:32] <intelikey> myTB|Tanuva right click the desktop and perferances select to not show the device in question on the desktop  that should keep it from automounting...
[10:32] <cotyrothery> just throw stuff at me
[10:32] <myTB|Tanuva> os2mac: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:32] <intelikey> Kuwanger yessir
[10:33] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Well, setup (hd0) complains that it can't find the stage1 file.
[10:33] <cotyrothery> is gimp the best thing close to photoshop
[10:33] <intelikey> cotyrothery i'm a cli kinda guy you should ask someone that uses kde...
[10:34] <cotyrothery> what is cli
[10:34] <intelikey> !cli
[10:34] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[10:34] <intelikey> as opposed to gui
[10:34] <cotyrothery> oh
[10:34] <cotyrothery> well i gimp about as good as photoshop
[10:34] <cotyrothery> or is there better
[10:35] <intelikey> gimp-shop i think it's called is a skin for gimp that makes it much like ps
[10:35] <cotyrothery> cool
[10:35] <intelikey> it's still all gimp underneath
[10:36] <cotyrothery> yeah
[10:36] <cotyrothery> Photoshop is the one thing that i did love
[10:36] <intelikey> i don't guess i've ever seen it
[10:36] <cotyrothery> im sure you haven't
[10:37] <cotyrothery> its nice though
[10:37] <intelikey> Kuwanger sorry.  i really don't know.  maybe Jucato when he's not to busy can help
[10:38] <intelikey> Kuwanger is grub package installed on the system in question.... that could be the problem...
[10:39] <myTB|Tanuva> intelikey: that only controls if kde should create such icons, its not setting the same for the automounter...
[10:39] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Well, seeing as there's a grub-install and a grub, I'd guess yes.
[10:40] <intelikey> myTB|Tanuva if kde doesn't watch the device it doesn't automount.
[10:40] <intelikey> Kuwanger didn't know if you chrooted in befor you ran those or not.
[10:40] <myTB|Tanuva> hmm
[10:41] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Far as I can see, --root-directory is there to avoid the need for that.
[10:41] <intelikey> myTB|Tanuva we could be talking about two differant things you don't mean each boot time do you ?
[10:42] <intelikey> Kuwanger it also avoids using the grub from the installed system  and uses the one from the cd
[10:42] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Wouldn't that more be a factor of the PATH?
[10:42] <intelikey> try as root   chroot /mnt/lin     and grub-install /dev/hda
[10:42] <myTB|Tanuva> intelikey: What I want: that it doesnt mount my usbstick/mp3-player when I plug it in because it mounts it on the wrong folder (changing fstab doesnt work)
[10:43] <Kuwanger> intelikey: No bash in /mnt/lin.
[10:43] <intelikey> Kuwanger oh.  thought it was in installed system ?
[10:43] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Just a live CD.
[10:44] <firecrotch> !enlightenment
[10:44] <Kuwanger> I just copied the contents of /S.u.S.E./usr/lib/grub/ to /mnt/lin/boot/grub, and grub-install seems to have worked.
[10:44] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[10:44] <coty> intelikey: have i tolled yo about my site
[10:45] <intelikey> myTB|Tanuva ok.   correct usb is not controlled in fstab most of the time.   but you could put a line in the fstab for the mount using the blkid   that should make it use the same mountpoint each time.
[10:45] <intelikey> coty no.
[10:45] <coty> i shortened my name
[10:45] <coty> from cotyrothery to coty
[10:45] <intelikey> Kuwanger there you go.
[10:45] <coty> my site is http://psphackdeving.110mb.com
[10:45] <intelikey> k
[10:46] <coty> i have like 132 members
[10:46] <coty> or more
[10:46] <coty> Just incase you get a psp you know how to contact me on hacking it
[10:47] <intelikey> coty install links2 and  # links2 http://psphackdeving.110mb.com  #   sometime.
[10:47] <intelikey> or elinks
[10:48] <arturo> hi everyone
[10:48] <coty> Hmmm
[10:48] <coty> what is that
[10:48] <firecrotch> Hi, arturo
[10:48] <firecrotch> coty: those are text based web browsers
[10:48] <intelikey> text based web browser
[10:48] <arturo> anyone available to answer an Edgy upgrade question?
[10:48] <coty> you lost me on that
[10:48] <intelikey> arturo not until you ask it.
[10:48] <llutz> hello all
[10:48] <arturo> :P
[10:49] <arturo> I just upgraded my Kubuntu fr Dapper LTS to Edgy.
[10:49] <intelikey> fire you free for a few ?
[10:49] <firecrotch> intelikey: sure
[10:49] <arturo> Now when I start 2.6.17 I get "Starting up RAIDs. Please wait, the process might take a long time!" and stays there for over 10 minutes
[10:49] <Kuwanger> Now all I need is a menu.lst.
[10:49] <intelikey> k i'm out for  a bit it's all yours.
[10:50] <arturo> it eventually gets past it, but freezes whenever loading my PC wifi card. Have to power off
[10:50] <firecrotch> sounds good
[10:50] <intelikey> arturo you have raid setup ?
[10:50] <arturo> This does not happen when I boot 2.6.15-27
[10:51] <arturo> I did once, but the array is no longer there. I removed /etc/mdadm/mdadm.config but I'm obviously missing something. How do I purge the RAID setup?
[10:51] <intelikey> it's in the   initramfs.img-2.6.17*
[10:51] <intelikey> i'm gone.
[10:51] <laune> Hello... Does somebody know how to use a Razer Copperhead with Kubuntu?
[10:53] <firecrotch> arturo: try adding the noraid option to the grub entry for 2.6.17
[10:53] <coty> hey i have kmail installed but i dont know how to get to it
[10:54] <arturo> hmmm excellent suggestion. Let me try that. I'm assuming that if I ever to have a RAID installed I take that entry out and it should find the RAID and everything will be ok?
[10:54] <arturo> I'll try that then
[10:54] <firecrotch> arturo: yeah
[10:54] <laune> Does somebody know how to use a Razer Copperhead with Kubuntu?
[10:54] <arturo> thanks firecroth (dig the name btw)
[10:55] <Kuwanger> Well, here goes nothing..
[10:56] <firecrotch> arturo: Thanks :)
[10:56] <arturo> should add noraid to kopt= or to the indiv entry in grub?
[10:57] <firecrotch> arturo:  to the entry in grub
[10:57] <arturo> ok, so not to the automagic kernel stuff. Thx
[10:57] <coty> bye
[10:58] <firecrotch> laune: http://www.phoronix.com/lch/?k=entry&l=16&t=Razer   That's pretty much all I could find about it.  You'll need to edit your xorg.conf file
[10:59] <laune> thx firecrotch
[10:59] <firecrotch> laune: http://sourceforge.net/projects/razertool/   is a tool that will let you configure the mouse buttons
[11:00] <firecrotch> !info razertool
[11:00] <ubotu> Package razertool does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[11:01] <firecrotch> laune:  There's a .deb for it, so you ought to be able to get it to work for you
[11:01] <laune> !info razertool
[11:01] <herken1986> salut
[11:01] <herken1986> y a quelqu un ??
[11:01] <ubotu> Package razertool does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[11:01] <herken1986> j'ai un gros probleme
[11:03] <laune> french
[11:03] <laune> he has a big problem
[11:03] <firecrotch> laune:  Thanks :)
[11:03] <firecrotch> !fr | herken1986
[11:03] <ubotu> herken1986: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:08] <ravencrow> !mplayer
[11:08] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[11:08] <arturo> well, it appears the noraid option in grub is not doing anything
[11:08] <arturo> still gives me the same message
[11:09] <arturo> still freezes at "Starting up RAIDs"
[11:10] <firecrotch> arturo: I'll take a look and see what I can find
[11:10] <arturo> thanks. I've searched google, but haven't found anything relevant (might not be looking in the right places)
[11:10] <anti_pop> can someone please explain me, how to get a TRASH icon onto the desktop ?
[11:11] <metty_> hi! i have a ati radeon mobility x700 and installed the newest driver, i use the fglrx, i want to install beryl but don't know if i have AIGLX or  XGL - pls help
[11:12] <firecrotch> !beryl
[11:12] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:12] <anti_pop> fglrx cant work with aiglx afaik
[11:13] <anti_pop> you should use the radeon driver is you want aiglx
[11:14] <metty_> how can i find out if i use XGL or AIGLX ?
[11:14] <firecrotch> anti_pop: Right click on the desktop, choose link to URL, and use trash:/ as the URL
[11:15] <anti_pop> firecroth, thank you!
[11:15] <firecrotch> anti_pop: You're welcome!
[11:15] <firecrotch> arturo: I'm only finding stuff on software RAIDs, yours is a hardware RAID, right?
[11:16] <arturo> no, software (blush)
[11:16] <arturo> thought I'd mentioned that
[11:16] <arturo> your tip on the Trash was amazingly useful to me too actually, thanks!
[11:16] <firecrotch> Heh, I totally just came up with the Trash thing, I tried it and it worked
[11:16] <anti_pop> firecrotch, in gnome i was able to resize the icon, since i like it a bit bigger. can i do this in kde too ?
[11:18] <arturo> so yeah, software raid
[11:18] <emp__> hi, anyone knows how u can make konqueror open new instances in a new tab so u never have more then one instance?
[11:18] <firecrotch> arturo: check /etc/fstab to make sure it's not trying to mount it
[11:19] <arturo> ok, let me check (waiting for the thing to get past the RAID thing now)
[11:19] <firecrotch> anti_pop: There may be a way to do it, I'll have to look into it
[11:20] <anti_pop> firecrotch: its not that important, dont waste your time :)
[11:21] <firecrotch> anti_pop: This is the kind of thing I like to try to figure out :)
[11:22] <anti_pop> i got a more important question: http://xlntsolution.blogspot.com/2007/03/feisty-performance-fly-like-butterfly.html <- thats a list of "hacks"/configurations/etc to improve performance. i want to know what you guys can tell me about #7: profile grub
[11:23] <tdn> I have Edgy installed on my IBM Thinkpad T42. If I do suspend, it suspends nicely and comes back up, when I open the lid. However, if I hibernate, it goes down but when I turn it on, it does a normal bootup, thus discarding all the things I had running before hibernate. Is this a common problem? How do I fix it? Can it be caused by the fact that I use encrypted rootfs/swap?
[11:23] <firecrotch> tdn: I recall reading somewhere that hibernate won't work if your swap partition is smaller than the amount of RAM you have
[11:24] <tdn> firecrotch, it is *much* larger than my amount of RAM. Iit is 2.5G. I have 1G RAM.
[11:25] <tdn> firecrotch, also, if that was the cause, I should be warned, shouldn't I?
[11:25] <firecrotch> anti_pop: it can shave a few seconds off the boot process, but IMO, it's not worth it.
[11:25] <arturo> firecrotch: Ok, it's not present in fstab. Where does webmin keep RAID setup info? I used webmin to set it up. Also, edgy changed all my "root=" in fstab to UUID numbers. Is this normal?
[11:25] <anti_pop> firecrotch: my boot process lasts very long
[11:26] <anti_pop> on kubuntu feisty, amd xp 2400, 1 gig ram, 7200 whatever drive
[11:26] <leiar> Need help with my wireless NIC, Intel Pro/wireless 2200BG on a Fujutsu Amilo Pro. It reports as enabled in Network settings, but isn't
[11:26] <CarinArr> anti_pop: does it switch back to text at any point or does it just take long with the boot splash
[11:27] <anti_pop> last
[11:27] <anti_pop> and there are no real errors
[11:27] <anti_pop> in the logs
[11:27] <leiar> I'm a teacher administrating linux computers on 3 schools. Now I want to put away Xp on the teacher's laptops, in order to force them into the linux-world where the pupils are
[11:28] <firecrotch> arturo: as far as I know, it's normal for it to change to UUIDs.  If you set it up in webmin, then you should be able to easily disable it with webmin
[11:28] <leiar> anybody who can help me with my wireless NIC?
[11:28] <neonlinux> hey all, anyone had experience with ati x1600 and kubuntu feisty beta?
[11:28] <arturo> firecrotch: well, that's the thing. When I disconnected the array, when logging into the software RAID module, no RAIDs were listed, so there was nothing to remove
[11:29] <firecrotch> leiar: try ifdown <interface>   then ifup <interface> from the command line
[11:29] <firecrotch> arturo:  Can you reconnect it?  If so, reconnect it and then go into webmin
[11:29] <leiar> firecrotch: like ifdown eth0?
[11:29] <firecrotch> leiar: Yeah
[11:30] <CarinArr> anti_pop: if you boot using "nosplash" you can see what happens at boot, so maybe you can see which bits are taking longer
[11:30] <firecrotch> !webmin | arturo
[11:30] <ubotu> arturo: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. Please avoid using it.
[11:30] <anti_pop> CarinArr: ok i will add that option and see
[11:30] <anti_pop> how long should the boot take ?
[11:30] <firecrotch> arturo:  though I'm not having any problems with it on my server
[11:31] <ANAP> SALUT
[11:31] <arturo> ubotu: darn. I kind of liked the convenience of it.
[11:31] <anti_pop> mine is like 4 minutes or so :/
[11:31] <leiar> firecrotch: trying to fetch ip, but fails
[11:31] <CarinArr> anti_pop: that sounds very slow..
[11:31] <arturo> firecroth: pardon the question, but what does !webmin mean?
[11:31] <CarinArr> mine takes about 20 - 30 seconds
[11:31] <anti_pop> yes, its no fancy cpu, but still amd xp 2400
[11:31] <CarinArr> apart from my desktop which for some reason runs a full fsck on all drives every boot
[11:32] <arturo> (looks like the hostap driver is hosed in Edgy too. Kernel freezes whenever I insert my WPC 11 card from Linksys)
[11:32] <firecrotch> arturo:  !webmin  is a command for the channel bot to tell you about webmin
[11:32] <ANAP> salut
[11:33] <arturo> !webmin
[11:33] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. Please avoid using it.
[11:36] <firecrotch> leiar:  try using the program knetworkmanager
[11:36] <arturo> ok, there it is.
[11:36] <arturo> thanks firecrotch
[11:36] <anti_pop> leiar: there is a lot of help in the forums on wireless problems
[11:36] <firecrotch> arturo:  You're welcome :)
[11:36] <arturo> That's two things that don't work right for me that absolutely have to, so I'm going to have to only use the kernel version that works. I do need to figure out how to disable the RAID though. I don't have those hard disks available anymore...
[11:36] <arturo> plus even the kernel that works tries to load RAID, the noraid option there notwithstanding
[11:36] <Ukjent> hi
[11:36] <leiar> firecrotch: Is there a way to find out if the drivers are corrupt? Like lspci. What does lspci tell me?
[11:36] <Ukjent> kubuntu damaged my hhd?
[11:36] <Ukjent> how can i restore it?
[11:36] <anti_pop> at the moment my boot options are: ro quiet
[11:36] <anti_pop> i use ro nosplash to see all comandlines ?
[11:36] <Ukjent> i used kubuntu 6.0.6 lts to format it
[11:36] <firecrotch> tdn: are you trying to hibernate from the Logout menu, or with the hibernate button?  I'm reading that it often only works with the button
[11:36] <leiar> anti_pop: wireless forums? like #wireless?
[11:37] <anti_pop> leiar, second
[11:37] <firecrotch> leiar: I doubt it's a driver problem, really
[11:37] <anti_pop> leiar: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=136
[11:37] <CarinArr> anti_pop: sorry, you have to remove quiet as well
[11:38] <emanuele11> hi all! I have a trouble with my sound chip. I have a keymat laptop and I installed ubuntu edgy on it without problems (using alternate CD) with a celeron 1ghz , 128 mb ram (8 shared) with a "Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 02)". it uses snd-trident module. With dynebolic live i hear sounds but with all other distros (ubuntu too) it doesn't works.
[11:38] <anti_pop> CarinArr, so just ro nosplash, right ?
[11:38] <firecrotch> !sound | emanuele11
[11:38] <ubotu> emanuele11: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:39] <CarinArr> anti_pop: yeah try that
[11:39] <firecrotch> Oh geez, it's almost 5 am
[11:39] <leiar> firecrotch: the computer has got a button to turn the nic on and off. I am not able to turn it on, still network settings repots it to be enabled, in wireless assistant I get wireless card turned off. I've enabled it in bios.. But
[11:39] <Ukjent> some one who can help me? kubuntu damaged my hdd
[11:39] <anti_pop> ok i will write down long it takes and watch where it needs a lot of time, and let you know then
[11:40] <firecrotch> leiar: Are you using wlassistant (the wireless manager that is installed by default) ?
[11:41] <leiar> firecrotch: yea
[11:41] <firecrotch> leiar: install knetworkmanager  and use that instead
[11:42] <firecrotch> leiar: wlassistant is garbage, which is why it's no longer the default in feisty
[11:43] <firecrotch> leiar:  I had all kinds of trouble using wlassistant too
[11:43] <usemody> Everything we know goes away in the end,but nothing really dies, even kashual/usemody , so it is important to distinguish - http://center.usemody.org - Selfinflicted - You ought to have known better!
[11:44] <usemody> :-P
[11:44] <firecrotch> !offtopic
[11:44] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:46] <firecrotch> !botsnack
[11:46] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:48] <leiar> firecrotch: I found a netw cable, and am now upgrading. Haven't ddone that before. May that help? To upgrade i mean..
[11:48] <koriel> anybody have problems with k3b in kubuntu..As a user I can write dvds but I need to run k3b as root (sudo) to write cds
[11:49] <Ukjent> SOME one who can help me?
[11:50] <Ukjent> kubuntu crashed my hhd?
[11:50] <leiar> Ukjent: try to install once more and kryss your fingers :-)
[11:50] <anti_pop> ok, my machine needed 60 seconds from hitting power button to x-login screen. after profiling it needed 55 seconds
[11:50] <testi> how i can use svideo out on my kubuntu i have ati radeon 9600?
[11:50] <Ukjent> when i try to boot windows cd, then win cant find the hdd
[11:51] <Ukjent> leiar u think it will work?
[11:51] <anti_pop> there is one error while booting: something like: group "nvram" unknown..
[11:51] <leiar> Ukjent: is the kubuntu installasjon working?
[11:51] <arturo> Well, I guess I just found my excuse to buy three hard drives and setup a real RAID array... :)
[11:52] <jack_> hi, there is  asilent mode button for my laptop, which prevents the fan from being noisy, how can i enable that ? or how can i use any silent mode in linux?
[11:53] <Ukjent> leiar no it is not anny os on it
[11:53] <timte> When I connect my laptop to a bigger monitor I get 640x480. Is this common? How can I change the resolution?
[11:53] <arturo> !hostap
[11:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hostap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <usemody> !hybserv
[11:58] <ubotu> hybserv: IRC services for IRCD-Hybrid. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.8.0+1.9.0rc2-1 (edgy), package size 228 kB, installed size 1348 kB
[11:59] <Xorg> i have interesting ftp upload problem, i can upload to ftp://test.com/12  but i cant upload to ftp://test.com/13 , it says permission denied... btw i am the space owner :l
[11:59] <arturo> how do I tell my pcmcia subsystem to load the orinoco_cs driver for my wifi card instead of the hostap_cs driver which crashes with  "unexpected IRQ trap at vector 30"?
[11:59] <arturo> I already edited /etc/pcmcia/config
[12:01] <usemody> i know ubotu but how become i this run and connect to my hybrid-ircd7
[12:01] <usemody> :=)
[12:02] <RoyB72> anyone here? need help with 2 things... first I'm trying to install NVIDIA nForce drivers, but it's talking about "...no precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel..." he tries to compile, but cant make it?
[12:03] <arturo> anyone?
[12:03] <charlesHKG> My Adept Manager wont allow me to download or remove app...it says some other process is using it....how can I see what process is using it and kill it??
[12:06] <charlesHKG> ..
[12:07] <leiar> Ukjent: Sorry can't help. But I think I would have done that.
[12:08] <anti_pop> my cpu is athlon xp 2400, so should i use -k7 kernel ?
[12:08] <anti_pop> instead of -generic ?
[12:10] <charlesHKG> My Adept Manager wont allow me to download or remove app...it says some other process is using it....how can I see what process is using it and kill it so I can remove some apps???
[12:11] <usemody> Everything we know goes away in the end,but nothing really dies, even kashual/usemody , so it is important to distinguish - http://center.usemody.org - Selfinflicted - You ought to have known better! http://usemody.org/chat/chat.html This Network tells its own tale !
[12:11] <usemody> :D
[12:12] <rigved> hi can any body pls help me with enabling my soundcard
[12:12] <rigved> on kubuntu'
[12:12] <rigved> i have a sblive card that worked perfect on windows
[12:13] <rigved> pls help
[12:14] <usemody> sndconfig
[12:14] <usemody> or alsaconf
[12:14] <usemody> :=)
[12:14] <rigved> ok llemmeee check'
[12:14] <usemody> one of both will do that
[12:14] <usemody> but u must do it in shell with sudo
[12:14] <rigved> i did it
[12:15] <rigved> it says bad command
[12:15] <usemody> sndconfig ?
[12:15] <usemody> try sndconf
[12:15] <rigved> ya
[12:15] <usemody> ^^
[12:15] <voicu> hi, i'm trying to build kde4 from svn using the tutorial from the net. i'm stuck at kdelibs because it asks for libungif (like the tutorial said it would) and i have libungif installed
[12:15] <usemody> if not work u must first install sndfile and so
[12:16] <rigved> bash: sndconf: command not fo
[12:16] <voicu> for example, cmake found cups in /usr/lib/libcups.so but not libungif which is the same place
[12:16] <voicu> i did a whereis libungif and it gave me /usr/lib/libungif.so
[12:16] <voicu> (libungif is installed from the kubuntu package)
[12:17] <charlesHKG> I am only getting read only access to Adept Manager it says.... You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[12:18] <rigved> usemody: can i apt-get that
[12:18] <ANAP17> ^^66
[12:18] <charlesHKG> so how od I see what the process is and kill it???
[12:18] <rigved> apt-get sndfile
[12:19] <usemody> use adept and seek for word snd
[12:19] <ANAP17> SAL
[12:20] <usemody> !sndconf
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sndconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <usemody> !sndconfig
[12:20] <voicu> grep -R "libungif" searches for "libungif" in all the files right?
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sndconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <usemody> lol
[12:20] <usemody> !alsaconfig
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsaconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:21] <usemody> !alsaconf
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsaconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:21] <usemody> what is that ........... my bash terminal tell me not thats nothing it do the command
[12:22] <usemody> old hint 4 config snd cards
[12:22] <frojnd> why, my upper cases won't work in monitor: I press shift + a and there is no A  ??
[12:22] <usemody> :=)
[12:22] <charlesHKG> I wish I knew if the apt-get suggestion was for me or someone else
[12:24] <charlesHKG> I am only getting read only access to Adept Manager it says.... You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.   so How can I see what the process is, so I can kill it?????
[12:27] <tmbg> charlesHKG, do you run synaptic? that will also lock the database.
[12:29] <charlesHKG> as far as I know.....no...I dont even have synaptic on the computer....
[12:30] <cyt> charlesHKG: Or you are running apt-get, aptitue , ...?
[12:30] <hackdaddy> YIPEE SKIPPEE PROTOTYPE.JS ROCKS!!!
[12:30] <cyt> s/aptitue/aptitude
[12:30] <charlesHKG> no....
[12:31] <cyt> charlesHKG: Do you take a view on you process table?
[12:32] <charlesHKG> process table?????
[12:32] <charlesHKG> whats that?
[12:32] <cyt> charlesHKG: I mean 'ps axu' :P
[12:33] <tmbg> charlesHKG, if you have lsof, try maybe lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[12:33] <tmbg> it should show you what application is holding the lock.
[12:35] <frojnd> why, my upper cases won't work in monitor: I press shift + a and there is no A  ??
[12:37] <charlesHKG> I typed in  lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock   but it returns  lsof not found
[12:38] <mdtyke> Hey guys
[12:39] <tmbg> I'm not sure that lsof is part of the base install or if I've added it though
[12:40] <charlesHKG> I looked for lsof, apt-get, aptitute......nothing.....
[12:42] <charlesHKG> I have one line with /usr/sbin/apt-i
[12:42] <tmbg> charlesHKG, if you have lsof, try maybe lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[12:42] <leiar> I've got a laptop Fujitsu siemens amilo pro. I am not able to turn on the wireless nic. There's a button on the laptop to turn it on. Works in XP, but not in kbuntu. Anybody?
[12:42] <tmbg> oh heh. you don't have lsof. n/
[12:43] <tmbg> m
[12:43] <tmbg> now ps -ef | grep apt-i then
[12:43] <charlesHKG> we tried that earlier as well....
[12:43] <tmbg> should give you the full name of the executable
[12:45] <charlesHKG> root      4153     1  0 17:54 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apt-index-watcher watch --syslog
[12:49] <tmbg> apt-index-watcher I don't think is supposed to lock the database but it looks like it is.
[12:50] <LeeJunFan> !aptfix
[12:50] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:51] <voicu> can anyone sumarize what the cmake command CHECK_STRUCT_MEMBER does?
[12:51] <voicu> i cannot find something relevant
[12:55] <charlesHKG> I got unknown option -o returned
[12:55] <intelikey> some one grep -m1 -v '#' /etc/fstab   for me please i need the syntax for the blkid listings
[12:55] <charlesHKG> along with the string
[12:56] <intelikey> grep -m1 -v '#' /etc/fstab       ???
[12:56] <intelikey> well lets not all answer at one time now.....
[12:57] <LeeJunFan> heh, I have to get into another system my fstab is standard.
[12:57] <charlesHKG> it also said to run aptitude, so I did....now aptitude says dpkg was interupted and to run it manually
[12:58] <llutz> intelikey: UUID entries?
[12:58] <tmbg> some patience you have.
[12:58] <intelikey> llutz yes
[12:58] <llutz> UUID=3ae41ca4-6cef-491e-8ada-e5821e254e14 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> charlesHKG: UUID=d69a466a-04a9-4a7c-8a21-dd6c4677200e that's all that's different from a standard line - just your ID in the filesystem space.
[12:58] <intelikey> thank you.
[01:11] <leiar> can anyone please help to find out hoe to turn the wireless nic on
[01:11] <leiar> on my fujitsu siemens
[01:12] <leiar> kjgkjh
[01:12] <leiar> k,jb
[01:12] <leiar> where are you
[01:12] <llutz> leiar: google for "acerhk", former notebooks needed it for that kind of switch
[01:12] <apokryphos> !patience
[01:12] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:15] <charlesHKG> thanks  TMBG   UBOTU
[01:32] <nicoc> hello?
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> 'lo
[01:33] <nicoc> sup nosrednaekim
[01:34] <nicoc> hey, can you help me upgrading kubuntu dapper to edgy?
[01:34] <Jucato> !upgrade
[01:34] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> sure... just follow that link...^^^
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:35] <nicoc> ok :d
[01:35] <nicoc> but i don't want to upgrade trough internet, i have the cd of kubuntu edgy
[01:35] <Jucato> nicoc: unfortunately
[01:36] <Jucato> unless that's the Alternate Install CD, and not the Desktop/Live CD
[01:36] <nicoc> :(
[01:36] <crazy_penguin> Hello
[01:37] <nicoc> so i can't upgrade dapper to edgy with the live cd?
[01:37] <Jucato> nope
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> hello crazy_penguin
[01:37] <nicoc> let me check i think that i have the alternate cd
[01:37] <nicoc> hi crazy_penguin
[01:39] <kel3> hi
[01:40] <nicoc> Jucato: um, how can i know if i have the alternate cd? i already mount it.
[01:40] <kel3> anyone can help me?
[01:41] <voicu> can i resume a cmake?
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> kel3: whats your problem?
[01:42] <voicu> i entered by mistake CTRL+C while compiling kdelibs and i was at 40%
[01:42] <Jucato> !anyone
[01:42] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:42] <Jucato> voicu: I think so. I think it will skip the parts it finished already
[01:42] <nicoc> nosrednaekim: i have the alternate cd, do you know how to upgrade from it?
[01:43] <nicoc> or Jucato, can you help me with tat?
[01:43] <nicoc> *that
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> no...I do not..never did it...
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> its probably an option init though
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> *in it
[01:44] <Jucato> hm... I'm not familiar with a CD upgrade...
[01:44] <voicu> jucato: yes it does, thanks, i was afraid to try it before i was sure
[01:45] <Jucato> (good luck btw)
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> would that be KDE4?
[01:45] <Tm_T> ?
[01:45] <voicu> yeah, thanks
[01:46] <voicu> nosrednaekim, me?
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> yes
[01:47] <voicu> ok, then 'yes, kde4' :D
[01:47] <voicu> i had a few problems but now it seems that it builds ok
[01:47] <voicu> only at 50% though... *fingers crossed*
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> I love cmake....it tells you how much is left
[01:48] <nicoc> Jucato: if i upgrade i will lost the drivers of my graphic driver? do you know?
[01:48] <voicu> yep, and it's more easy to edit... took me only a few searches and edits to make it find the stupid libungif
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> nicoc, I don't think you will lose your drivers, as long as you installed them from official repositories..
[01:55] <nicoc> nosrednaekim: ok \
[02:00] <HasratUSA> anyone knows how to properly install/run macromedia flash 8 under wine or anything in Edgy?
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> HasratUSA: cause all you cn get now is flash 7?
[02:01] <HasratUSA> i'm not referring to the player
[02:01] <HasratUSA> what flash 7? flash 8 pro is already out
[02:01] <HasratUSA> and now they are working on CE
[02:02] <Irayo> I have three sound cards, how can I tell Kubuntu which one to use?
[02:07] <embrapa> How i do to install Gtk ?
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: for what?
[02:07] <embrapa> for install softwares
[02:07] <embrapa> like mozilla firefox thuinderbird
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> just install one of them from the repositories
[02:08] <embrapa> gtk complains that dont have pango cairo and atk installed
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: just install thunderbird from adept
[02:08] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: dont work
[02:09] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: i will send the message error
[02:09] <Irayo> Adept crashed and no package managers will load; how can I clear the lock on the repository?
[02:09] <embrapa> root@tenebra:/home/embrapa/firefox# cd firefox/
[02:09] <embrapa> root@tenebra:/home/embrapa/firefox/firefox# ./firefox
[02:09] <embrapa> (firefox-bin:10677): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[02:10] <chijin> why are you running firefox as root?
[02:10] <raffytaffy> i just got that 27+ package update ...phew...nothing broke
[02:10] <embrapa> yes
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[02:10] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:10] <embrapa> chijin: yes
[02:11] <embrapa> u can solve my problem ?
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> umm... unless you are logged in as root... that won't work
[02:11] <chijin> embrapa: exit the root terminal and try to run it again
[02:12] <embrapa> how i run from kde?
[02:12] <chijin> embrapa: you can run konsole without root
[02:12] <embrapa> chijin: how ?
[02:13] <chijin> embrapa: choose konsole from the system menu under the k-menu
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> are you logged in as root in X?
[02:13] <embrapa> chijin: could not run the specified comand
[02:13] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: how i log in X?
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: never mind
[02:14] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: why?
[02:15] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: i think my user in kde dont have much privilegies
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: do "alt+f2"
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> and type konsole in there
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> so that you can go to your firefox directory
[02:15] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: done
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: it doesn't, but it DOES have permission to use your x disply, something root doesn't have
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> navigate to where you put firefox
[02:16] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: Works!!
[02:16] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: why works?
[02:16] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: strange..
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> because if you start a program as root and you are not logged in as root in X, it can't display the program
[02:17] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: how i put a link of firefox in my kubuntu desktop ?
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> if you want to start a program requiring root priveldges you have to use kdesu <theprogram>
[02:18] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: now i undersant :D
[02:18] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: thunderbird...its the same?
[02:18] <chijin> embrapa: didn't you install firefox from the repos (with adept)?
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> empraba: should be
[02:18] <chijin> i guess not, of it's located at your home dir
[02:18] <embrapa> let me see
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> he says adept keeps crashing on him
[02:19] <chijin> there's always the konsole option to replace adept, aptitude and apt-get
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> chijin: what?
[02:20] <chijin> nosrednaekim: if adept keeps crashing, i'd try apt-get or aptitude in konsole. wouldn't you?
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> chijin: oh yeah...
[02:21] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: chijin thanks a lot
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> I didn't read your message right
[02:21] <embrapa> just one more question
[02:22] <embrapa> how i do to put a icon on my desktop
[02:22] <embrapa> of thunder and fire
[02:22] <embrapa> to just click
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: right click on your desktop
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> select add-> link to application
[02:22] <chijin> not add, create new :-)
[02:22] <chijin> at least in kde 3.5.6
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> yeah..thanks
[02:23] <mart81> to transfer files between two computers, do i need a straight or a crossed cable? I forgot
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> same in 3.5.5....
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> mart81: crossed I beleive if you are directly connecting them without a switch
[02:24] <embrapa> let se
[02:24] <chijin> mart81: if there's a router between the two machines, it doesn't matter
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: you with us?
[02:24] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: yes
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> did you do that?
[02:25] <mart81> nosrednaekim: thanks man, do i need some extra tools for it maybe?
[02:25] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: dont work...is the firefox.bin ?
[02:25] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: the comand?
[02:26] <chijin> embrapa: you need to find the firefox file in the firefox dir
[02:26] <embrapa> chijin: i find....
[02:26] <embrapa> chijin: is the firefox.bin ?
[02:26] <chijin> embrapa: should be just firefox
[02:26] <embrapa> chijin:
[02:27] <embrapa> chijin: ok!! thank you!
[02:27] <embrapa> chijin: works
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: in the tab "application" make the command whatever you ran from the command line, plus the path to it, i.e. /home/ebraba/firefox/<firefox command>"
[02:27] <chijin> embrapa: good :-)
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> good
[02:27] <embrapa> chijin nosrednaekim: can u teach me more things? u guys nice
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> what do you want to know?
[02:28] <embrapa> mp3s dont work
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: first of ll, we'd better get apt working...
[02:28] <embrapa> amarok...install the pluguins but
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> *all
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: does adept crash on you?
[02:28] <embrapa> get apt ? in konsole?
[02:29] <embrapa> i dont know what adpet means
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> no adept....the package manager
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> alt-f2 again and do "kdesu adept-manager"
[02:30] <embrapa> what password
[02:30] <chijin> your password
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> or rather "kdesu adept_manager"
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> don't run that first command, do the second...
[02:31] <voicu> how can i extract a password protected rar?
[02:31] <embrapa> nice ...adept manager opens
[02:32] <poningru> voicu: with unrar+the password
[02:32] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: and now ?
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: ok, do do a "fetch updates"
[02:33] <chijin> updating the system won't install mp3 playback plugins. that has to be done separately
[02:34] <voicu> poningru, thanks
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> "fetch updates updates the packagelists...
[02:34] <embrapa> chijin: how i do that?
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> its always good to do that first
[02:34] <chijin> embrapa: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[02:35] <embrapa> chijin: how i see ?
[02:35] <embrapa> chijin: i think is 6....
[02:35] <chijin> embrapa: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> !version
[02:35] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[02:36] <embrapa> !version
[02:36] <embrapa> lsb_release -a ?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> yeah..... type that in a shel
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> or konsole
[02:36] <embrapa> 5.10
[02:36] <embrapa> 6.10
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> which one?
[02:36] <andrea> hi
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> hi andrea
[02:37] <andrea> any italian?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> !it
[02:37] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:37] <andrea> !it
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: 6.10 or 5.10?
[02:37] <embrapa> is the last one ? :D
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> oh..ok
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> !mp3
[02:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: read that first, if you have trouble, some back and we'll be glad to help
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> *come
[02:39] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: thanks you a lot...are u leaving ?
[02:39] <embrapa> ubotu: i will check this sites
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ubotu is a bot...
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot... - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> !bot
[02:39] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:40] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: lol
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[02:40] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:41] <embrapa> nosrednaekim chijin: what player is easy to install and play mp3s files?
[02:41] <chijin> embrapa: i recommend amarok
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: amarok is the best
[02:41] <chijin> embrapa: you already have it installed
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> but to play mp3 files, you have to install libxine-extracodecs
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> !libxine-extracodecs
[02:41] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[02:42] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: how i get libxine-extracodecs
[02:42] <chijin> in my opinion the easiest way to install a single package is to fire up the konsole and type in 'sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs'
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> you still have adept open?
[02:42] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: yes
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> but I think you have to enable the multiverse enabled chijin
[02:42] <embrapa> chijin: ok
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> embraba, in adept, go to settings-> manage repositories
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> sorry...view->manage repositories
[02:44] <embrapa> n done
[02:44] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: done
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> I'm bad today....
[02:44] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: no its fine...i open the manage repositories and now
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> ok...
[02:45] <embrapa> chijin: it returns me a message of error that another program is using the file.s...i think is the adept manager
[02:45] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: i add a new repository ?
[02:45] <chijin> embrapa: you're right. you can't use both at the same time
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> right click on any repository that is preceded by a "#" and enable it...
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> I think the repository "multiverse" is already in it...
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> just disabled
[02:47] <nicoc> how can i check wich version of kubuntu i have?
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> maybe not.... does any of the "components" list "multiverse"?
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> !version
[02:47] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[02:48] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: im searching
[02:49] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: no repositorys call multiverse
[02:49] <nicoc> ry
[02:49] <nicoc> ty
[02:49] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: just universe
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: ok
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> then we'll add a repository...
[02:50] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: called multiverse?
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> paste this into the new repository line and add it...
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> ^^^paste that line
[02:51] <embrapa> comment multiverse?
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> comment?
[02:52] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: my english is porr
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> just add that repository and make sure none of that line is commented
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> no problem...
[02:52] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: poor....i understand
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> ok... did you do it?
[02:53] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: but it dont work....i paste one frase...he showme another
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> what phrase does it show you?
[02:54] <Ryiel> !partition
[02:54] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:54] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: now works
[02:54] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: enable
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> ok.. good....
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> press the "fetch updates" button
[02:54] <reagleBRKLN> does this url krash anyone's else's konq? http://www.virtualization.info/
[02:55] <Ryiel> !gparted
[02:55] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[02:55] <reagleBRKLN> 3.5.6 doesnt like it...
[02:55] <reagleBRKLN> oh, or rather, 3.5.5
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: finished fetching the updates?
[02:56] <Ryiel> I love ubotu :)
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[02:56] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:59] <ndazza> hi! i can't find my hard drives under kubuntu feisty. they are sata drives and are usually named sda1, 2, etc but /dev/sda* doesn't exist!
[03:00] <ndazza> i've booted into the installer disk
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> bye all...
[03:02] <chijin> ndazza: run sudo fdisk -l and see what the drives are now
[03:03] <i2mSlava> hi all
[03:03] <i2mSlava>         
[03:03] <ndazza> chijin: sudo fdisk -l doesn't give any output
[03:04] <ndazza> chijin: and echo $? returns 0
[03:04] <i2mSlava> fuck
[03:04] <i2mSlava> bye
[03:04] <pollyo> I just got off the phone with lexmark and ofcourse they have no driver support for my uncles printer.  At the very least I informed them that we wanted information of any driver support for linunx in the future.
[03:05] <pollyo> Is there currently any website that tracks people who are calling companies inquiring about linux drivers?
[03:07] <ndazza> so if fdisk -l doesn't return anything, the kernel probably isn't seeing my drives
[03:08] <ndazza> my mobo is nforce4 based, which i think means i need the sata_nv module loaded (it was loaded in breezy)
[03:09] <jack_> hi, i've got the problem that xor causes 98%cpu load when i am idle and that kde starts always with a session (incl.openoffice writer and opera) but its not the last one i was using, even though i configured start with last used session in kcontrol.thanks!
[03:09] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: sorry
[03:09] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: i lost my conectio
[03:09] <ndazza> lsmod | grep sata_nv shows me the module is loaded, so i should see my drives
[03:09] <ndazza> what can i do next?
[03:09] <chijin> ndazza: my nforce4 based mobo with sata drives is working just fine under feisty
[03:10] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: i press fech updats
[03:10] <ndazza> chijin: mine is a mess. ethernet doesn't work, mouse doesn't work, sata controllers don't work...
[03:10] <ndazza> chijin: even the ttys are messed up
[03:13] <ndazza> chijin: do you use noapic by any chance?
[03:13] <chijin> ndazza: nope
[03:14] <ndazza> chijin: have any other distros broken for you? most won't even boot for me
[03:14] <ndazza> chijin: knoppix is the only other thing that i've found that will boot, and i have the exact same symptoms
[03:14] <embrapa> chijin: your amarok plays mp3?
[03:15] <chijin> ndazza: i haven't tried any other than ubuntu with this, but dapper, edgy and feisty all boot just fine and nforce4 works right out of the box
[03:15] <chijin> embrapa: of course
[03:15] <embrapa> chijin: why my not ?
[03:15] <embrapa> chijin: what i have to do ?
[03:15] <chijin> embrapa: what does it say?
[03:15] <ndazza> !nonfree
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nonfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:16] <embrapa> chijin: when i open a mp3 file....it ask me ..if i want to install mp3 suport...
[03:16] <embrapa> chijin: i click yes...and later,,,a multiverse....
[03:16] <embrapa> chijin: it installl and i restar my amarok....and he ask me the same questionz
[03:16] <elkahi> hi every body
[03:16] <chijin> embrapa: did you install libxine-extracodecs?
[03:17] <embrapa> chijin: how i make?
[03:17] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> what the best OS?
[03:17] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> pls tell to me
[03:17] <voicu> alongcalypse: that's a very dangerous question, especially on channels like this :D
[03:17] <elkahi> I can't have sound from my speakers
[03:18] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> heheh
[03:18] <chijin> embrapa: i already gave you an example how to do it
[03:18] <jack_> hi Ooffice and opera start even though i dont use them and they are not assigned to the autostart anymore??
[03:18] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> that's why la i'm asking here :P
[03:18] <jack_> can anyone help?
[03:18] <voicu> alonacalypse: you should use whatever you need and suits you best. i switched to kubuntu more than half an year ago and i use it daily
[03:19] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> oic..
[03:19] <jack_> and how do i assign rootrights to the firestarter that it doesnt ask for the password?
[03:19] <jack_> thanks
[03:19] <voicu> yet, i still use windows and other systems. windows for games, bsd for learning bsd and maybe switching sometime
[03:19] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> so how to download kubuntu?
[03:19] <afonic> aLoNgCaLyPsE, best OS here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS
[03:19] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> have any website
[03:19] <afonic> :P
[03:19] <voicu> alongcalypse: www.ubuntu.com
[03:19] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> ok
[03:19] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> tq
[03:20] <voicu> i suggest trying kubuntu as it uses kde
[03:20] <voicu> ubuntu uses gnome which, in my opinion, is limited
[03:20] <voicu> *more limited :D
[03:20] <embrapa> chijin: i done the download if the libxine-extracodecs ...
[03:21] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> whom in here master of linux
[03:21] <chijin> embrapa: how did you do it?
[03:21] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> can teach me
[03:21] <embrapa> chijin: is a deb file....how i install it ?
[03:21] <embrapa> chijin: in a site
[03:21] <chijin> embrapa: do not download the deb file :D
[03:21] <embrapa> chijin: why?
[03:21] <chijin> embrapa: there are much easier ways
[03:21] <voicu> embrapa: sudo dpkg -i file.deb, or you could enable multiverse and apt-get it
[03:21] <chijin> embrapa: open konsole, type in 'sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs'
[03:23] <jack_> can anyone help with an issue?
[03:23] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> i think want use xandros
[03:23] <jack_> xorg suddenly uses 98%cpu load
[03:23] <pollyo> voicu: I am not very familiar with gnome.  How do you see it as limited?
[03:24] <chijin> pollyo: less options
[03:24] <voicu> pollyo: comparing it to kde, i think kde is more configurable
[03:24] <voicu> yeah, that
[03:24] <chijin> jack_: some program has probably crashed. save your documents and restart X
[03:25] <voicu> also kde seems to have more features
[03:25] <embrapa> libxine-extracodecs depende de libxine-main1; porm:
[03:25] <embrapa>   O pacote libxine-main1 no est instalado.
[03:25] <embrapa> chijin: return me this erro
[03:25] <chijin> embrapa: you should install libxine-main1 as well
[03:25] <embrapa> chijin: lol;....how is dificult
[03:26] <voicu> pollyo: this is an evil statement: but i can't stop thinking that gnome tries to copy windows so that it will be easier for users to switch to linux
[03:26] <chijin> embrapa: it's not difficult. actually you should probably try running 'sudo aptitude install amarok', it should install the xine-engine as well
[03:26] <pollyo> chijin:++++++
[03:26] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> someone can teach me about xandros
[03:26] <pollyo> chijin: My nephew is trying to type on the keyboard. LOL
[03:26] <chijin> pollyo: :D
[03:26] <embrapa> chijin: kubunt already installed amarok
[03:26] <voicu> alongcalypse: #xandros ?
[03:27] <pollyo> chijin: I actually do not think that is such a bad thing.
[03:27] <pollyo> chijin: Some people say that about kde as well.
[03:27] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> no have ppl
[03:27] <chijin> embrapa: well i guess you're still missing the xine engine for some reason. to 'sudo aptitude install libxine-main1'
[03:28] <pollyo> chijin: I think the main thing we need to see inorder to have more people switch to linux is better driver support for devices.
[03:28] <pollyo> chijin: When the day you can go out and purchase a new printer that comes with a linux driver more people will switch to linux.
[03:29] <chijin> pollyo: i agree. luckily i haven't had any hardware issues with ubuntu yet, even though i've run it with 3-4 different set of hardware
[03:30] <embrapa> chijin: when i do the comand sudo aptitude...dont works....but when i download the file....it install
[03:30] <chijin> embrapa: then you don't have the right repositories enabled
[03:30] <voicu> alongcalypse: don't know what to say. i'm unfamiliar with xandros. all i can do is suggest (k)ubuntu as it has a very big community => good support
[03:31] <pollyo> chijin: I had my uncle sold on linux until we attempted to get his lexmark X6170 working with it.
[03:31] <embrapa> chijin: i think...i dont have repositorys
[03:31] <jack_> chijin: IT SAYS THAT THERE ARE TWO USERS LOGGED in sorry. can i do restartx as a command or how is this done?
[03:31] <pollyo> chijin: No driver support so no deal.
[03:32] <voicu> embrapa: repositories are enabled in the file /etc/apt/sources.list, you have to open it as an admin. ALT+F2 and write 'kdesu kate'
[03:32] <pollyo> Does anyone know of a distro or install package that simply setsup a computer to remote login and run applicatons in xwindows accross a network?
[03:33] <voicu> pollyo: a friend of mine apparently can do that with freebsd, not 100% sure though
[03:34] <NiceGuyUK> anyone know the name of the utility that allows you to see jpeg images in network packages on your subnet?
[03:34] <voicu> pollyo: also, i'm not sure what servers (client Xs) he can connect to
[03:34] <embrapa> voicu: now i put what repository :?
[03:35] <chijin> pollyo: you could try a driver for some other model and see what happens.. http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Linux/Printing/Q_21527531.html
[03:35] <embrapa> voicu: what means feach updates?
[03:35] <nicoc> hello all
[03:35] <voicu> embrapa: delete the '#' character before the lines that look something like 'deb ... multiverse' 'deb... universe'
[03:35] <ndazza> pollyo: ssh will do remote X nicely
[03:36] <nicoc> im upgrading kubuntu dapper to kubuntu edgy, im following the steps in here - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade -
[03:36] <dickmc> I am looking to add my HP psc2110 to OpenOffice but I can't get root access in terminal.  What's up with that??
[03:36] <voicu> embrapa: feach?
[03:36] <nicoc> my question is.. after doing the - apt-get -u dist-upgrade - should i move on to the next step??
[03:37] <nicoc> i mean.. i download all the packages and should i install it now? :s
[03:37] <NiceGuyUK> nicoc : distupgrade should download and install all from the same command
[03:38] <pollyo> chijin: Thanks.  I'll take a look.
[03:38] <nicoc> NiceGuyUK: oh great, i'll wait dist-upgrade to finish
[03:38] <embrapa> voicu: done
[03:38] <embrapa> voicu: and now ?
[03:38] <voicu> embrapa: save, and run in a terminal 'sudo apt-get update'
[03:38] <embrapa> voicu: ok
[03:38] <voicu> embrapa: that will download a list of packages from the net
[03:39] <voicu> embrapa: after that you can 'sudo apt-get install' almost any linux program you encounter on the net
[03:39] <embrapa> voicu: conection refused
[03:40] <embrapa> voicu: show some errors...and dont download anything
[03:40] <voicu> embrapa: go to paste.ubuntu-nl.org and paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to see
[03:40] <embrapa> voicu: connect (111 Connection refused)
[03:41] <embrapa> voicu: ok
[03:41] <voicu> embrapa: after that give me the link the site provides you
[03:42] <jack_> with which command do i check who is currently logged in on the computer and how do i restart the x?
[03:42] <jack_> thanks
[03:42] <NiceGuyUK> jack : the command is "who"
[03:42] <NiceGuyUK> jack : or you can use "w"
[03:42] <NiceGuyUK> jack : restart X with CTRL-ALt-BACKSPACE
[03:43] <voicu> jack_: CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE but it will kill everything
[03:43] <jack_> NiceGuyUK: ok, ah just loggin out then?
[03:43] <voicu> log out first
[03:43] <embrapa> voicu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12501/
[03:43] <jack_> ctrl+alt+backspace logs me out? voicu NiceGuyUK
[03:44] <NiceGuyUK> jack L yes
[03:44] <voicu> something like that
[03:44] <voicu> you should log out nicely then ctrl+alt+back
[03:45] <jack_> voicu: how do i logout nicely? i usually use ctrl alt backspace, then i am at the loginscreen again, is this not so good to do?
[03:45] <voicu> jack_: kde won't save the session and clean some stuff
[03:45] <voicu> i meant to log out from the button in kde
[03:46] <voicu> the shortcut is good too
[03:46] <jack_> voicu: ok, whats the right command instead of the button?
[03:46] <voicu> i don't know a command, click the K button and log out...
[03:46] <jack_> so button logout then ctrl alt backspace? voicu
[03:46] <voicu> yeah
[03:46] <BluesKaj> "Morning All :)
[03:46] <jack_> voicu: thnaks
[03:47] <embrapa> voicu: wwhy my sudo apt-get update...dont works ?
[03:47] <voicu> embrapa: seems it cannot connect at all
[03:47] <voicu> maybe the servers are down?
[03:47] <embrapa> voicu: u can teste?
[03:48] <voicu> try ping br.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <embrapa> voicu: did u see ? the log ?
[03:48] <voicu> yes
[03:49] <voicu> embrapa: do you get any errors?
[03:49] <embrapa> voicu: it works
[03:49] <voicu> then try apt-get update again
[03:49] <embrapa> same erro
[03:49] <chijin> paste your sources.list
[03:50] <chijin> into the pastebin
[03:50] <embrapa> chijin: ok
[03:50] <fr0nk> hey :)
[03:50] <voicu> yeah, btw, that's what i wanted at first :), forgot myselft
[03:50] <fr0nk> i'm using kubuntu since yesterday and i'm deeply impressed :D
[03:50] <voicu> hehe
[03:51] <voicu> we are impressed of your impression
[03:51] <fr0nk> but there are several questions left ;)
[03:51] <chijin> i'm impressed of our impression of your impression
[03:51] <fr0nk> how can i turn off the magnification of windows when using the beryl cube?
[03:51] <fr0nk> they come to me when pressing the switch keys
[03:51] <embrapa> chijin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12503/
[03:51] <fr0nk> that annoys me kind of ;)
[03:52] <fr0nk> i've searched the beryl options and documentation but didn't find anything suitable
[03:52] <voicu> embrapa: seems all right
[03:52] <voicu> very weird
[03:52] <fr0nk> maybe i clicked the options and didn't remember ;)
[03:52] <embrapa> voicu: coube be firewall ?
[03:52] <embrapa> voicu: proxy?
[03:53] <voicu> embrapa: do you have a firewall?
[03:53] <embrapa> chijin: im in lan
[03:53] <embrapa> voicu: in a private network
[03:54] <voicu> embrapa: apt-get uses http to download so it you wouldn't be able to open webpages if it were blocked
[03:54] <embrapa> voicu: but it doesnt
[03:55] <voicu> embrapa: you can open webpages right?
[03:55] <embrapa> How Dificult is listean a song in kubuntu =[[
[03:55] <embrapa> voicu: yes
[03:56] <voicu> embrapa: if you installed libxine-extracodecs with dpkg than you can listen songs already
[03:56] <embrapa> voicu: i use proxy ....cache port 3128
[03:56] <embrapa> on settings of firefox...
[03:56] <voicu> embrapa: the stuff with repositories is needed for the future in case you want to install other stuff
[03:56] <voicu> embrapa: oh
[03:57] <embrapa> voicu: but the sourcelist...are all right correcly?
[03:57] <voicu> yes
[03:57] <embrapa> voicu:  so ? i have to download the other things...and install by sudo apt -i ...deb?
[03:58] <embrapa> voicu: when i do that...show many conflicts
[03:58] <embrapa> voicu: and the os ask me if it remove another packages
[03:59] <voicu> embrapa: try using sudo aptitude update
[03:59] <embrapa> voicu: same erros =[[
[03:59] <voicu> embrapa: the conflicts appear because of incomplete updates
[03:59] <voicu> i think
[04:00] <voicu> the problem should be solved if you instruct apt-get to use the proxy
[04:00] <voicu> don't know how yet
[04:00] <embrapa> voicu: =[[
[04:00] <embrapa> voicu: if i change this lines...
[04:00] <embrapa> deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[04:00] <embrapa> deb-src http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[04:01] <embrapa> voicu: and put the lines that you have in yours...
[04:02] <Arwen> seriously, are the servers short of bandwidth? I get like 50k/s all the time
[04:02] <fr0nk> could please somebody help me with the "when cube avtivated all windows zoom" problem? :D
[04:02] <voicu> well change 'br' into 'ro' or some other country code
[04:02] <voicu> embrapa
[04:02] <embrapa> voicu: ro ? is from ?
[04:02] <fr0nk> romania?
[04:02] <voicu> embrapa: romania
[04:02] <embrapa> voicu: nice...kubuntu are dissiminating
[04:03] <embrapa> =D
[04:03] <voicu> arwen: at least romanian servers aren't full but don't tell anyone :D
[04:03] <Arwen> voicu, Canonical needs to buy a new line....
[04:05] <aaroncampbell_> I'm having problems with the nVidia drivers for my 8800GTS.  Any idea what would cause this output from nvidia-settings: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12469/
[04:05] <Arwen> aaroncampbell_, you seriously have an 8800? why?
[04:06] <aaroncampbell_> Why not?  And what's the point of a question like that?  Who cares WHY...I just want it to work
[04:06] <voicu> aaroncampbell: the last two errors are because of the stylus and other input devices that are put by default in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, the first ones probably because some options your card doesn't support
[04:07] <aaroncampbell_> voicu: any ideas how to fix it?
[04:08] <voicu> aaroncampbell: just comment out the unused input devices in the ServerLayout section of xorg.conf. for the nvidia related stuff i can't say. i'm using a radeon
[04:10] <voicu> question: after compiling qt, strigi, kdelibs, kdepimlibs and kdebase i should be able to use kde4, right?
[04:11] <Jucato> voicu: #kde4-devel :)
[04:11] <voicu> oh, right
[04:12] <embrapa> voicu: i will lunch.... i lost my patiene
[04:12] <voicu> anyway, that's for later, i probably have a good 1h of compiling left :(
[04:13] <embrapa> voicu: if i dont install a simple mp3 in kubuntu...i will have headcache in future
[04:13] <voicu> embrapa: ok, sorry for not helping :P... i skimmed the manual for apt-get but couldn't find proxy settings
[04:13] <embrapa> chijin: thanks
[04:13] <embrapa> voicu: thank you a lot
[04:13] <fr0nk> hm noony uses beryl? :/
[04:13] <fr0nk> erm noone
[04:14] <embrapa> voicu: i will come back...u susgest another player than amarok ?
[04:14] <voicu> embrapa: you could install the .deb file
[04:14] <voicu> after that amarok should just work
[04:14] <embrapa> voicu:  i try...but returns me an error
[04:14] <embrapa> voicu: conflict bla bla bla
[04:15] <Arwen> damn it, upgrading openoffice.org makes my memory and cpu usage skyrocket
[04:15] <voicu> embrapa: paste the errors?
[04:16] <embrapa> voicu: ok
[04:17] <embrapa> voicu: libxine-main1 conflicts with libxine1
[04:17] <voicu> that's all?
[04:18] <iceboy> anyone know if theres any new mono packages for edgy?
[04:18] <Arwen> iceboy, how new?
[04:18] <embrapa> voicu: first i try to install the extracodecs ....he complains about libx-main....after i instal libxmain.....that complains....libxine1
[04:18] <embrapa> voicu: lol
[04:18] <embrapa> voicu: no
[04:18] <voicu> embrapa: they should work togheter
[04:18] <iceboy> atleast 1.2.3?
[04:18] <voicu> *togheter
[04:18] <voicu> **together ?
[04:19] <voicu> anyway
[04:19] <voicu> embrapa: you probably downloaded a file for a different version of ubuntu
[04:19] <Arwen> iceboy, not in mainline, maybe in a third party repository?
[04:19] <voicu> embrapa: which one do you use?
[04:19] <embrapa> voicu: humm
[04:19] <embrapa> voicu: i search in google...and download the first i see
[04:19] <voicu> embrapa: go to packages.ubuntu.com
[04:20] <iceboy> Arwen: any clues? checked universe nothing.
[04:20] <embrapa> voicu: ok
[04:20] <voicu> embrapa: search for libxine-extracodecs and select the optionbox which resembles your distribution version (like edgy,dapper, etc)
[04:20] <Arwen> iceboy, not in any of Ubuntu's repositories, try googling on the net
[04:20] <iceboy> ok
[04:21] <embrapa> voicu: i download correctly
[04:21] <fr0nk> eh btw does kubuntu have write support for ntfs?
[04:22] <fr0nk>  /dev/sda1 on /media/Windows-sda1 type ntfs (rw,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46)
[04:22] <fr0nk> o_O
[04:22] <voicu> embrapa: download or downloadED? :D
[04:22] <fr0nk> or should be -o remount,r be safe in order NOT to lose data ;)
[04:22] <embrapa> voicu: downloaded :D...
[04:22] <voicu> fr0nk: yes, but it's unsafe...
[04:22] <embrapa> voicu: i will lunch....i will return in 40 minutes ok ?
[04:22] <fr0nk> eh
[04:22] <fr0nk> ok ;)
[04:22] <voicu> embrapa: ok
[04:22] <fr0nk> thanks
[04:23] <embrapa> voicu: thanks
[04:23] <voicu> np
[04:23] <fr0nk> damn cube... ;)
[04:23] <fr0nk> there MUST be an option
[04:23] <fr0nk> *still searching
[04:23] <voicu> btw, is beryl in the repos?
[04:24] <voicu> i can't apt-get it
[04:24] <Arwen> voicu, no, compiz is, but beryl isn't
[04:24] <Arwen> you have to get beryl from beryl-project.org's repositories
[04:24] <Jucato> (beryl is in the feisty repos now)
[04:24] <gnomefreak> beryl is only in feisty repos
[04:24] <elelel> Hi, I updated from dapper's nvidia-glx to the drivers from nvidia.com. They work in X. But when I switch to a tty via Ctrl-Alt-F1 or when I quit X I get a screen filled with graphical anomalies.
[04:25] <Jucato> gnomefreak: :D
[04:25] <gnomefreak> :)
[04:25] <Arwen> still, best to use the official repository, that way you can have the latest and greatest :-)
[04:25] <Arwen> gah, gnomefreak
[04:27] <voicu> what does compiz do?
[04:27] <voicu> i installed it, ran it nothing happened
[04:27] <voicu> except "compiz.real: no RandR extension"
[04:27] <voicu> ...
[04:27] <kurkoten> hi
[04:29] <voicu> nvm
[04:30] <voicu> do i need to restart X, KDE or what?
[04:30] <fr0nk> lol i found the option
[04:30] <fr0nk> it's deactivated
[04:30] <fr0nk> \o/
[04:30] <fr0nk> bug?
[04:30] <Arwen> voicu, beryl is easier
[04:31] <fr0nk> beryl is a bitch
[04:31] <voicu> :))
[04:31] <fr0nk> it does things i don't want it to do and in the options they are UNchecked
[04:31] <fr0nk> lol
[04:31] <deviance> Ok, i have a little bit of trouble, basicly, Aptitude is trying to install setiathome package but the link to the tar is incorrect, so it just gest stuck on a loop and lock up adept, how can I tell it to uninstall or reomve this package?
[04:32] <voicu> fr0nk:ckeck it and uncheckit back
[04:32] <voicu> maybe it needs a refresh
[04:32] <nikosapi> Does the kubuntu beta come with the 3D desktop manager like ubuntu?
[04:33] <Arwen> nikita, 3D desktop manager?
[04:33] <Arwen> if you mean compiz/beryl, yes, both
[04:33] <fr0nk> voicu: already done
[04:33] <nikosapi> sorry, that little app that lets use easily enable it..
[04:33] <nikosapi> is that included?
[04:33] <fr0nk> it keeps zooming ;)
[04:34] <Arwen> nikosapi, um.... what little app that lets you easily enable what?
[04:34] <Arwen> w00t, compiz desktop zoon
[04:34] <Arwen> zoom*
[04:35] <nikosapi> Arwen: hehe, in the ubuntu beta there's a little app that makes it easy to enable/disable the 3D desktop managers. I was wondering if kubuntu comes with something similar?
[04:35] <fr0nk> ah
[04:35] <fr0nk> this are 2 separate options
[04:35] <Arwen> nikosapi, oh, yes
[04:35] <voicu> damn, i was trying to install beryl for ati then i remembered i have a matrox card
[04:35] <voicu> would that work?
[04:35] <Arwen> nikosapi, it has the compiz - on/off switch :-)
[04:36] <nikosapi> Arwen: Great
[04:36] <voicu> i mean, a matrox on beryl
[04:36] <Arwen> voicu, yes, it works on matrox, see the wiki
[04:36] <voicu> ok
[04:37] <deviance> ok, i have a little bit of trouble, basicly, Aptitude is trying to install setiathome package but the link to the tar is incorrect, so it just gest stuck on a loop and lock up adept, how can I tell it to uninstall or reomve this package?
[04:41] <aaroncampbell_> How do I go about setting up the flash plugin for firefox?
[04:41] <Arwen> aaroncampbell_, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[04:43] <CarinArr> flashplugin-nonfree isn't working for a lot of people
[04:43] <CarinArr> download fails
[04:43] <aaroncampbell_> download didn't fail
[04:43] <aaroncampbell_> lets see if it works :)
[04:44] <Daisuke_Ido> download from the repo fails
[04:44] <Daisuke_Ido> had it happen last night
[04:44] <anon32> oh, pssh - then install it manually, geez, suck it u[
[04:44] <Daisuke_Ido> it's just easier to get it from adobe and install it by hand
[04:44] <CarinArr> yeah i did that
[04:44] <Daisuke_Ido> anon32: that's my whole point :)
[04:45] <CarinArr> anon32: noone said that wasn't the best way of doing it
[04:45] <jack_> hi, to make the wlanassistent start without asking for a password, can i do that?
[04:45] <jack_> username ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/wlanassistant?
[04:45] <jack_> or should i rather not do that cos of secruity?
[04:45] <anon32> CarinArr, and it didn't work? you put it in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins no?
[04:45] <CarinArr> anon32: it works fine
[04:45] <anon32> oh wait, aaroncampbell_ was the one who asked the question
[04:45] <anon32> aaroncampbell_, dl it from adobe.com and put it in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[04:46] <CarinArr> anon32: all i was saying was that the flashplugin-nonfree package isn't working so well latey
[04:46] <CarinArr> oh.
[04:46] <CarinArr> ;)
[04:46] <aaroncampbell_> Well, I opened Adept Manager, and chose it, and it downloaded fine.  Now it shows as installed.
[04:46] <CarinArr> aaroncampbell_: good
[04:46] <anon32> aaroncampbell_, does it work?
[04:46] <aaroncampbell_> So I closed and re-opened firefox, but it doesn't display flash
[04:46] <anon32> aaroncampbell_, go to about:plugins
[04:47] <aaroncampbell_> aaroncampbell@aaron-linux:/$ ls usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[04:47] <aaroncampbell_> flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so  libunixprintplugin.so
[04:47] <elelel> Hi, I updated from dapper's nvidia-glx to the drivers from nvidia.com. They work in X. But when I switch to a tty via Ctrl-Alt-F1 or when I quit X I get a screen filled with graphical anomalies.
[04:47] <aaroncampbell_> "No plug-ins are installed"
[04:47] <lw008> 
[04:48] <lw008> 
[04:48] <anon32> aaroncampbell_, huh - do you have firefox installed to a weird location? i.e. /opt ?
[04:48] <abattoir> !cn
[04:48] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[04:48] <anon32> lw008, stfu, no foreign languages without translation
[04:48] <aaroncampbell_> anon32: just grabbed it from adept Manager too
[04:48] <abattoir> anon32: let's be a bit nice around here :)
[04:48] <lw008> E
[04:48] <anon32> abattoir, but but but.. he coulda been insulting me!
[04:48] <abattoir> anon32: haha
[04:48] <anon32> anyone know wtf he's saying?
[04:49] <aaroncampbell_> if you look at the ls I pasted, you will see the plugin in the directory you said, but firefox doesn't seem to load it
[04:49] <anon32> aaroncampbell_, hmm
[04:49] <Jucato> lw008: please speak in English
[04:49] <anon32> aaroncampbell_, enter firefox in a terminal, see if there's any interesting errors
[04:50] <lw008> sorry I don,t know English.
[04:51] <Jucato> !cn | lw008
[04:51] <ubotu> lw008: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[04:51] <abattoir> lw008: this is Kubuntu Support Channel
[04:51] <aaroncampbell_> anon32: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12510/
[04:51] <anon32> aaroncampbell_, hmm, darn it, no interesting errors
[04:51] <bonbonthejon> aaroncampbell_: those are erorrs you can ignore
[04:52] <lw008> thank
[04:53] <aaroncampbell_> bonbonthejon: I'm getting similar errors (plus some others) on with the nVidia drivers for my 8800GTS from the output of nvidia-settings: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12469/
[04:53] <aaroncampbell_> good to know I can ignore those ones.  Bummer that I still don't know what the others are
[04:54] <bonbonthejon> aaroncampbell_: the X Errors are because ubuntu puts in stuff for wacom tablets, you can edit xorg.conf to get rid of it
[04:54] <bonbonthejon> aaroncampbell_: does the program start?
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> I need help confirming a feisty bug, it's BAD, it may crash your kdesktop. To trigger: open amarok (doesn't need to be playing), configure your screensaver to come on in 1 min, in konsole run 'xset dpms 10 20 0' - let your computer sit for at least 60 sec to make sure screensaver comes on, move your mouse. HINT: if you have amarok playing you may notice when it crashes - music will stop.
[04:54] <Jucato> s/wacom\ tablets/tablet\ pcs
[04:55] <lw008> #ubuntu-hk only two people!!1
[04:55] <aaroncampbell_> bonbonthejon: nvidia-settings starts...and shows just a few settings (nothing that seems relevant to video-card settings)
[04:56] <bonbonthejon> aaroncampbell_: sounds like the driver isn't liking your card. I don't know too much about this stuff. My 6150 was supported.
[04:56] <aaroncampbell_> I get "Enable ToolTips" "Display Status Bar" "Slider text entries" "display names in config file" and "show 'Really Quit?' Dialog"
[04:57] <aaroncampbell_> bonbonthejon: bummer.  I have the eVga 8800GTS
[04:58] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: I'd suggest you try #ubuntu+1 ?
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: yeah, I figure it's mostly ubuntuites in there.
[04:59] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: there are kubunteros there too. I'm on feisty though... but at the moment, can't test your bug
[05:01] <jhutchins> bonbonthejon: Do you know if anybody's filed a bug on the wacom stuff?
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: yeah, I'm trying to get more info, this sure doesn't make sense, but I'm sure it takes those things to trigger. Why amarok would have anything to do with screensaver or dpms I don't know. and why it would crash kdesktop? it wasn't fun to narrow down that much.
[05:04] <neil> I'm using evolution for email, is there a better alternative?
[05:04] <neil> Or should I stick with it..
[05:04] <NiceGuyUK> neil : Thunderbird?
[05:04] <|lonewolf|> agreed.
[05:04] <aaroncampbell_> That's what I use
[05:04] <llutz> neil: depends on your needs, kmail/mutt
[05:04] <n8k99> kmail
[05:04] <neil> Use that on windows, might switch..
[05:05] <NiceGuyUK> kmail is ok, just annoys me I can't use the cursor keys to navigate the message list like every other mail client
[05:06] <lw008> what player can play the file *.rmvb and *.rm ?
[05:06] <NiceGuyUK> lw008: realplayer, vlc (probably)
[05:06] <llutz> realplayer
[05:06] <justin1278> hello
[05:07] <justin1278> I'm having an issue with kpowersave can someone help me?
[05:07] <neil> Weird, thunderbird has a different logo on lnux..
[05:07] <neil> linux
[05:07] <gdiebel> I assigned win+tab to walk through desktops and when I use that shortcut no popup comes up. Odd thing is that Walk through desktops reverse works fine and has a popup
[05:07] <justin1278> neil: you can give it a different icon, including its original one in Windows.
[05:08] <NiceGuyUK> neil : could be down to your icon theme
[05:08] <neil> Oh really justin1278, how do you do that?
[05:08] <neil> using default theme atm
[05:08] <timte> I use xinerama with laptop and external monitor. On the external monitor I only see the upper right 1/4 of the total screen. How can I configure xorg.conf to see the whole screen?
[05:08] <justin1278> neil: right click the icon then click properties
[05:08] <justin1278> neil: in the properties Window you will see its icon, click it and you will get a new window with many different icon selections.
[05:09] <justin1278> neil: just choose whichever one you like.
[05:09] <justin1278> neil: you can also add your own icons.
[05:09] <neil> thanks :)
[05:09] <justin1278> neil: np
[05:09] <justin1278> can someone help me with kpowersave?
[05:10] <justin1278> the option to set my CPU frequency is not available.
[05:12] <|lonewolf|> anyone available to help me with getting my http java viewer working on x11vnc?
[05:13] <jhutchins> justin1278: run xvidtune in a console and edit your xorg.conf manually.
[05:13] <voicu> what's the hotkey for running something in gnome?
[05:13] <jhutchins> WHy would you try to set your monitor frequency with a power manager?
[05:13] <voicu> like alt+f2 in kde
[05:13] <gdiebel> voicu: same
[05:13] <anon32> can anyone here help me with aarok?
[05:13] <anon32> amarok*
[05:14] <anon32> voicu, alt+f2
[05:14] <gdiebel> anon32: #amarok
[05:14] <neil> Are linux icons of the format .svg?
[05:14] <voicu> the think is i entered by mistake in gnome but i don't have installed only the desktop and some stuff
[05:14] <voicu> i can't logout
[05:15] <jhutchins> neil: Many formats are available.
[05:15] <NiceGuyUK> neil : yes, or GIF, PNG, JPEG
[05:15] <lw008> is that GDebi can be us in kubuntu ?
[05:15] <justin1278> jhutchins: how do I do this?
[05:15] <anon32> neil, svg is just used because it's infinitely scalable with 0 artifacts
[05:15] <anon32> lw008, yes, but WHY?
[05:15] <justin1278> xvidtune
[05:16] <neil> NiceGuyUK: .ico is out then?
[05:16] <NiceGuyUK> neil : fraid so :(
[05:16] <neil> ok thx :)
[05:17] <NiceGuyUK> neil: ico is just a bmp with header information, so should be able to convert. Maybe even rename and load into Gimp or something
[05:17] <voicu> what's the hotkey for logging out of gnome? :P
[05:17] <NiceGuyUK> voicu: CTRL-ALT-PGDN I think
[05:17] <NiceGuyUK> voicu: or is that shutdown?
[05:17] <lw008> I install the  GDebi but I can find it  now, so can us it ,what can I do.
[05:17] <bonbonthejon> jhutchins: sorry, I just saw your message, I dont know if anyone has filed a bug, unless you open kde programs from console you don't see the errors, and you can ignore them
[05:18] <NiceGuyUK> lw008: ALt-F2 and type in the program name gdebi
[05:18] <neil> NiceGuyUK: Thanks :) I'm just looking for a nicer thundebird icon
[05:18] <neil> the default envelope sucks compared to the nice blue one it has now
[05:19] <NiceGuyUK> neil: Google for "thunderbird icon svg" ?
[05:19] <neil> Am having a dig
[05:19] <NiceGuyUK> ;)
[05:20] <justin1278> neil: what linux distro are you using?
[05:20] <neil> ubuntu
[05:20] <anon32> neil, hehe, there's a script for that actually
[05:20] <justin1278> neil: here is a nice icon set for Ubuntu
[05:21] <arriesp> can someone tell me a good sources.list for dapper please?
[05:21] <anon32> arriesp, um.... a good sources.list???
[05:21] <justin1278> neil: one moment I need to find the link
[05:21] <arriesp> yes
[05:21] <arriesp> xD
[05:21] <anon32> arriesp, that makes no sense
[05:22] <Jucato> !source-o-matic
[05:22] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:22] <arriesp> mi sources.list spent a lot of time, and show me problems..
[05:22] <justin1278> neil: here is a nice icon set for Ubuntu
[05:22] <justin1278> http://files.filefront.com/Crystal_Diamond_26_Ubuntu/;6767633;/fileinfo.html
[05:22] <lw008NiceGuyUK> I do it what you say but is show that http://gdebi.domain/
[05:23] <neil> thanks justin1278 :)
[05:23] <justin1278> neil: np
[05:23] <justin1278> neil: it has some nice Thunderbird and Firefox icons too :-)
[05:23] <arriesp> Jucato:  those sources work with kubuntu dapper?
[05:23] <anon32> say, does winehq have a feisty repository yet?
[05:24] <Jucato> arriesp: check the web page, you basically create a sources.list from some choices
[05:24] <arriesp> ok thanks
[05:24] <arriesp> xD
[05:24] <neil> justin1278: http://www.paolinoland.it/forum/index.php?topic=22.msg28
[05:24] <neil> is this it?
[05:24] <gioacchino> hello
[05:24] <neil> very nice if so :D
[05:25] <gioacchino> anybody know ho to restart iptables without restart networking ?
[05:26] <anon32> anyone else here think that !opularity-contest sounds like spyware?
[05:26] <anon32> !popularity-contest *
[05:26] <ubotu> popularity-contest: Vote for your favourite packages automatically. In component main, is standard. Version 1.33ubuntu2.3 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 212 kB
[05:26] <justin1278> neil: yes thats it,it also has more icons, it is only showing a few
[05:27] <neil> justin1278: awesome :) Don't suppose theres a easy way to swap between icon sets is there?
[05:27] <Jucato> anon32: define spyware, and try to compare it with popularity-contest
[05:27] <justin1278> neil: I'm not sure how to in gnome
[05:27] <anon32> Jucato, spyware is software that monitors a user against his/her will
[05:27] <neil> ok :) ill have a look around
[05:28] <neil> thanks a lot though!
[05:28] <Jucato> anon32: does popularity-contest do that?
[05:28] <anon32> yes
[05:28] <cotyrothery> hey
[05:28] <Jucato> anon32: how and why?
[05:28] <justin1278> neil: it shouldn't be too hard to find.
[05:28] <cotyrothery> im on ubuntu right now
[05:28] <Jucato> anon32: specially the "against your will" part
[05:28] <arafat> does anyone know of an application to convert swf files to mp3? I've just found tools for mp3 to swf...
[05:28] <anon32> Jucato, it tracks and sends data on what packages you use
[05:28] <anon32> Jucato, and it's against the users will because the option to disable it is not blatantly obvious
[05:28] <cotyrothery> i want to know the command to install grub
[05:29] <anon32> cotyrothery, grub-install
[05:29] <anon32> or, you could just do it with dd, but that's stupid
[05:29] <Jucato> anon32: really? you mean you can't install it using the package manager?
[05:29] <cotyrothery> nope
[05:29] <cotyrothery> that was not it
[05:29] <cotyrothery> I want to make my computer dual boot
[05:29] <anon32> Jucato, but the option to remove it and the fact that it's there is not blatantly obvious to the end user, he has to know it exists first
[05:29] <cotyrothery> i already have kubuntu working
[05:29] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[05:29] <_JuJuBee_> Can someone tell me how to update my linux headers?
[05:29] <cotyrothery> but i want t get ubuntu also
[05:30] <Daisuke_Ido> oh
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: I have to agree with anon32 - plus the fact that it's installed by default.
[05:30] <Daisuke_Ido> dude
[05:30] <Daisuke_Ido> no need for grub in that case
[05:30] <anon32> cotyrothery, uh, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:30] <BluesKaj> Can anyone tell me how to get Thunderbird to open FF when trying to open a link from it. ?
[05:30] <cotyrothery> ok
[05:30] <anon32> yay, for once, I'm not standing on my own
[05:30] <Daisuke_Ido> if you want kubuntu/ubuntu, just install ubuntu-desktop and select gnome when logging in
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> this is the first I've learned that my linux PC is phoning home to tell ubuntu what packages I'm using.
[05:30] <cotyrothery> it said i gave it an unreconized command
[05:31] <Daisuke_Ido> ?
[05:31] <Jucato> ah I see. and,like spyware, it doesn't anonymize the information it sends?
[05:31] <cotyrothery> Error 27: Unrecognized command
[05:31] <Jucato> and like spyware, it's impossible to remove? and like spyware, you can't examine the source code to check it?
[05:31] <Daisuke_Ido> cotyrothery: 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[05:31] <cotyrothery> ok
[05:32] <justin1278> neil: did you find it?
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> That doesn't matter if it does or not, w/o my concent or knowledge for how long now I don't konw - my PC's have been sending personal information out.
[05:32] <anon32> Jucato, it doesn't matter that it's "anonymous" or that it's "open source" or that it's "removable"- which it really isn't
[05:32] <anon32> Jucato, just as long as it exists
[05:32] <neil> justin1278: I read to drop the archive onto the theme window, but it tells me its an invalid format.. maybe because its for kde? might just need to repackage it..
[05:32] <cotyrothery> that doing somehting
[05:32] <Jucato> anon32: they all matter. because those, as you said yourself, are the marks of spyware
[05:32] <cotyrothery> it is conecting
[05:32] <Daisuke_Ido> i can understand the popularity contest *concept*, but it sounds like the implementation is pretty poor
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> and nothing is really anonymous, IP's can be traced. Not that I don't trust ubuntu with the information, I just don't like having spyware "software that spys on my actions" on my pc.
[05:33] <_JuJuBee_> I just tried to update my kernel headers sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`, and it failed...
[05:33] <cotyrothery> it said i have the newest
[05:33] <gdiebel> _JuJuBee_: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[05:33] <anon32> Jucato, no, the only thing that has to exist for it to be spyware is that it gathers and sends information and that it's not blatantly obvious
[05:33] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: your IP can be traced in IRC too.
[05:33] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan , how did you find out about this "phone home" thing ?
[05:33] <Daisuke_Ido> cotyrothery: you're in kde now?
[05:33] <anon32> Jucato, not if you use tor
[05:33] <cotyrothery> no
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: from anon
[05:33] <_JuJuBee_> My bad, thanmks
[05:33] <cotyrothery> i am in ubuntu
[05:33] <_JuJuBee_> *thanks
[05:33] <Daisuke_Ido> you're in gnome
[05:33] <cotyrothery> yes
[05:33] <Daisuke_Ido> okay
[05:34] <guimn> I have a question. can anyone help me please? sometimes kubuntu(edgy) doesnt turn off/restart as it should. my monitor goes standby and my computer doesnt turn off. any ideas, please?
[05:34] <Daisuke_Ido> then 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[05:34] <gdiebel> _JuJuBee_: you're welcome
[05:34] <cotyrothery> ok
[05:34] <Daisuke_Ido> guimn: if i had an answer to that, i'd be rich :P
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: I know that, I'm just saying, it IS spyware, it spies on me. IRC doesn't spy on me, it only tells what I want it to. We are saying that it's spyware, not necessarilly malware.
[05:34] <cotyrothery> wow
[05:34] <cotyrothery> i just got a lot of installs
[05:34] <Daisuke_Ido> lotsa packages
[05:34] <anon32> cotyrothery, yes, kde is big
[05:34] <anon32> that's why gentoo compile w/ kde takes days
[05:34] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: I asked him to define what spyware is. I'm just basing it on his defintion
[05:35] <guimn> Daisuke_Ido, do you mean thats common? :p
[05:35] <cotyrothery> what i want to do is get them both on the same drive
[05:35] <anon32> Jucato, like I said, spyware is software that "spies" - it monitors and transmits information without the user knowing
[05:35] <cotyrothery> because i found out that i cant boot from my slave
[05:35] <Daisuke_Ido> what it's doing is installing the kde desktop.  when you log in, instead of dual booting, you click on the session button to choose between the two
[05:35] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan, how is it being done, can one spot which program is spyware...are there clients like adaware or xoftspy for linux ?
[05:35] <Daisuke_Ido> you don't need two separate linux installs to do that :)
[05:35] <anon32> cotyrothery, ^^ - tis smarter
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: just sudo apt-get remove popularity-contest if you wish.
[05:36] <cotyrothery> so how does that work
[05:36] <anon32> say, did they ever fix the bug that installing kcontrol changes the firefox icon?
[05:36] <mart81> Is there someting in knetworkmanager/? to remember the ssid after a reboot?
[05:36] <Daisuke_Ido> when you get to twhere you enter your username and password, there's a button that says "session" or something similar
[05:36] <anon32> BluesKaj, remove popularity-contest, although that totally breaks any chance of upgrading your distro
[05:36] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan, popularity contest ?
[05:36] <cotyrothery> syeah
[05:36] <cotyrothery> yeah
[05:36] <Daisuke_Ido> click that, and there's an option for session type
[05:36] <NiceGuyUK> mart81 : kwallet maybe?
[05:36] <cotyrothery> ok
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> !popularity-contest
[05:36] <ubotu> popularity-contest: Vote for your favourite packages automatically. In component main, is standard. Version 1.33ubuntu2.3 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 212 kB
[05:36] <Daisuke_Ido> you can choose KDE or Gnome from that menu
[05:36] <anon32> note the "automatically" part
[05:36] <cotyrothery> alright
[05:36] <anon32> ain't nothing should ever be automagic
[05:36] <cotyrothery> holdo on
[05:37] <cotyrothery> when i put that command it
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> anon32: and the "standard" which means it's installed by default.
[05:37] <cotyrothery> in
[05:37] <cotyrothery> i only had my slave pluged in
[05:37] <cotyrothery> should i re do it
[05:37] <anon32> LeeJunFan, yeah, and removing it removes ubuntu-standard, bad
[05:37] <Daisuke_Ido> no, it installs right where you are now
[05:37] <mart81> NiceGuyUK: hmm, i almost can't stand that program
[05:37] <anon32> that's another sign of spyware - entrenched so as to make removal difficult
[05:37] <BluesKaj> you guys call popularity-contest spyware ?
[05:37] <anon32> yes
[05:37] <cotyrothery> but i only had my slave pluged in
[05:37] <anon32> LeeJunFan, I think it's implemented with crontab, but..
[05:37] <cotyrothery> not the master were kde is
[05:38] <anon32> cotyrothery, lol, slaves? pss, get some SATA disks, master/slave is so 10 years ago
[05:38] <Daisuke_Ido> you're not on that machine right now?
[05:38] <NiceGuyUK> mart81 : I know what you mean.  Maybe you could add something into /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ?
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> anon32: personally I just feel betrayed that something like that is installed by default.
[05:38] <anon32> LeeJunFan, yeah
[05:38] <cotyrothery> well my computer is 7 years old
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> What's next WGA? :) hehe
[05:38] <anon32> cotyrothery, :-\
[05:38] <guimn> no answer for my question? =(
[05:38] <Daisuke_Ido> um, isn't ubuntu-standard just a metapackage?
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> like ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> Daisuke_Ido: yeah, it wont' hurt to remove it.
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> and removing popularity contest shouldn't hurt anything
[05:39] <cotyrothery> so i should be able to boot into it
[05:39] <anon32> LeeJunFan, "your version of Ubuntu is not genuine, please contact Canonical Corp for instructions on obtaining a genuine key. Thank you for using Canonical software."
[05:39] <cotyrothery> from the kde menu
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> if you're installing it
[05:39] <cotyrothery> i installed it on slave
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> from the login screen
[05:39] <anon32> Daisuke_Ido, but if you remove any of the -desktop or -standard or -minimal packages, you can't dist-upgrade
[05:39] <cotyrothery> ok
[05:39] <cotyrothery> im going to reboot
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> no!
[05:39] <cotyrothery> and see if it worked
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> don't reboot
[05:40] <cotyrothery> why
[05:40] <anon32> you don't have to
[05:40] <Daisuke_Ido> you already have it running, right?
[05:40] <cotyrothery> what
[05:40] <cotyrothery> kde
[05:40] <cotyrothery> no
[05:40] <cotyrothery> i have ubuntu runing
[05:40] <Daisuke_Ido> right
[05:40] <gdiebel> I assigned win+tab to walk through desktops and when I use that shortcut no popup comes up. Odd thing is that Walk through desktops reverse works fine and has a popup <-- could someone confirm this behavior on 3.5.6 edgy
[05:40] <BluesKaj> hand holding time again
[05:40] <cotyrothery> so what do i to
[05:40] <cotyrothery> do
[05:40] <Daisuke_Ido> hit ctrl-alt-backspace to restart the display manager, then when it gets to the login, choose KDE from the session type menu
[05:40] <cotyrothery> ok
[05:41] <anon32> win + tab = rotate all apps for me :-)
[05:42] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, and if you're in the US using a default keyboard layout, you'll have to use the left alt key because the right alt key is mapped to meta
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> anon32: I guess I could work that into some passive sniffing too, as I run an ISP, I could setup a sniffer to watch for calling home and identify who's running ubuntu/kubuntu, maybe even tell what packages they use, what services they likely have running :)
[05:42] <nicoc> ppl, im upgrading kubuntu dapper to edgy, im using lilo as bootloader, now when i upgrade it says that install lilo and grub, and i should run lilo.
[05:42] <anon32> LeeJunFan, hrmm
[05:42] <nicoc> how can i run lilo?
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> nicoc: lilo
[05:43] <anon32> why would you ever use lilo? it's deprecated
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> nicoc: why would you switch to lilo if you don't know how to use it?
[05:44] <nosrednaekim> anon32: cause it IS a bit easier...
[05:44] <nicoc> nosrednaekim: my pc dos not allow grub
[05:44] <Daisuke_Ido> ?
[05:44] <Daisuke_Ido> how...  is that even possible?
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> nosrednaekim: I dunno about that, I switched from years of lilo to grub, and I find it different, but no easier. Once you learn grub I'd say they are about the same.
[05:45] <nicoc> im in mac.. mac does not allow grub as bootloader
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> only grub's hd0, etc.. instead of hda or whatever is annoying.
[05:45] <Daisuke_Ido> ahhh
[05:45] <jamie> #ubuntu
[05:45] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I guess so.... especially when you keep compiling kernels
[05:45] <n8k99> nicoc: that'll be yaboot
[05:45] <anon32> nicoc, afaik, macs don't allow lilo either
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> anon32: well, since he's upgrading - it must. :)
[05:46] <anon32> hmm
[05:46] <horde> I'm trying to find out how to rename files for the folder containing them (eg. rename "x.jpg" in folder "xyz" to "xyz.jpg") in a bash script.
[05:47] <horde> or is this question more appropriate for a bash-specific channel?
[05:47] <anon32> yea, try #bash
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> yeah..it probbly is..
[05:47] <horde> cheers
[05:48] <NiceGuyUK> horde: I'm sure Goggle would find plenty of examples
[05:48] <NiceGuyUK> its one fo those "for i in blah blah" ones
[05:49] <horde> NiceGuyUK: have definitely tried Googling it but I guess my search criteria is wrong 'cause I can't find anything of use
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> horde: is there only one file in each dir?
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> horde: or do you need like xyz-1.jpg xyz-2.jpg?
[05:50] <nicoc> !version
[05:50] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[05:50] <ins-dragonclaw> who here knows anthing about... aliases?
[05:50] <nosrednaekim> aliases? in IRC?
[05:50] <ins-dragonclaw> no in linux
[05:50] <ins-dragonclaw> you know how home:/ gives the home folder?
[05:50] <NiceGuyUK> horde : http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/mass-rename.html
[05:51] <ins-dragonclaw> can you define custom ones?
[05:51] <nosrednaekim> ins-dragonclaw: oh...I think thats a kio-slave
[05:51] <horde> LeeJunFan: basically I'm trying to rename certain files (avi, pdf, etc) that I've downloaded from Usenet (and have been put in folders named after their nzb file)
[05:51] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay ... now how do i set one up?
[05:51] <ins-dragonclaw> !kio-slave
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kio-slave - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:51] <ins-dragonclaw> the bot never has help for me T_T
[05:52] <n8k99> ins-dragonclaw: what are you trying set one up to do?
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> horde: it's probably not going to be a super easy script.
[05:52] <ins-dragonclaw> just to open a folder. so like documents:/ will open /home/ins-dragonclaw/documents, for example
[05:52] <horde> LeeJunFan: damn...I was hoping that wouldn't be the case as I'm pretty new to scripting.
[05:53] <NiceGuyUK> horde : the link I posted above seems to have a fairly simple script example
[05:53] <horde> NiceGuyUK: cheers, looking at it now.
[05:54] <n8k99> ins-dragonclaw: you know there is a panel applet that lets you set a folder view
[05:54] <horde> LeeJunFan: I used Directory Opus in Windoze and it was super easy...using wildcards and the NOPATH argument
[05:54] <ins-dragonclaw> ...not really
[05:54] <anon32> going away now, zzz
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> horde: directory opus? Man I used a filemanager on Amiga back in 85 called that.
[05:55] <kevin__> hello
[05:56] <n8k99> ins-dragonclaw: yeah it' called Quick Browser
[05:56] <horde> LeeJunFan: heh heh, maybe that's the ancestor of the one I used...it's a really good file manager
[05:56] <kevin__> ?
[05:56] <ins-dragonclaw> <-- this is me getting lost
[05:56] <kevin__> hehe
[05:57] <phyerboss> Hello, I am totally new to Linux and have a few questions about some issues I am coming across in Kubuntu
[05:57] <gdiebel> horde: yes directory opus is the closest thing to krusader on windows these days
[05:58] <ins-dragonclaw> phyerboss: phyer away and we'll see if we can help :-)
[05:58] <phyerboss> hahaha
[05:58] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[05:58] <phyerboss> ok, im a slow typer...bear with me
[05:58] <horde> gdiebel: never used krusader.  What benefits do you see it having over Konqueror or Nautilus?  If any...
[05:58] <NiceGuyUK> I'd type slowly if I had a bear with me too
[05:58] <ins-dragonclaw> lol...
[05:59] <ins-dragonclaw> i wouldn't type at all
[05:59] <ins-dragonclaw> i'd be running for my life O.o
[05:59] <ins-dragonclaw> what is krusader anyway?
[05:59] <cotyrothery> it did not give me the optiion to boot into kde
[05:59] <ins-dragonclaw> i've heard it mentioned here quite a few times - still no idea what it is
[05:59] <phyerboss> 1st one: I added new programs via the adept package manager...well, in the other distros I tried, this usualy instantly places then in the Kicker menus
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> ...and it's not there?
[06:00] <phyerboss> but on Kubuntu, none of them are showing up exceept kicinedit
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> what application did you install
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> ?
[06:00] <Daisuke_Ido> !krusader | ins-dragonclaw
[06:00] <cotyrothery> who was i talking to before
[06:00] <ubotu> ins-dragonclaw: krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.70.1-1 (edgy), package size 2547 kB, installed size 6940 kB
[06:00] <neil> justin1278: think it fails as its meant for kde
[06:00] <neil> wonder if theres a gnome version :(
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> hmm ok
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> i think i'll stick to konqueror
[06:00] <cotyrothery> Daisuke_ido: was i talking to you
[06:00] <justin1278> neil: that was the gnome version.
[06:00] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[06:00] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:00] <Daisuke_Ido> how did it go?
[06:00] <cotyrothery> well it did not say anything about kde
[06:01] <neil> oh :S it does list both k and u buntu on the list actually
[06:01] <neil> hmmm :)
[06:01] <justin1278> neil: what I woudl do is go to gnome-look.org and take a look for some icon themes
[06:01] <phyerboss> I installed an app to callibrate my gamepad, a snes emulator and a few games...none of them are showing up...not even the "game menu option"
[06:01] <Daisuke_Ido> under session > session type?
[06:01] <neil> yeah
[06:01] <phyerboss> as it would with other distros
[06:01] <ins-dragonclaw> okay
[06:01] <ins-dragonclaw> the programs -are- there, you just have to add the icons manually
[06:01] <phyerboss> sorry guys..as i said, Im slow
[06:01] <ins-dragonclaw> what snes emulator did you install?
[06:01] <cotyrothery> Daisuke_ido: what was i looking for?
[06:01] <phyerboss> zness
[06:01] <ins-dragonclaw> phyerboss: it's ok :)
[06:01] <ins-dragonclaw> zsnes, you mean. lol
[06:02] <phyerboss> thats it
[06:02] <phyerboss> sorry
[06:02] <ins-dragonclaw> common typo, znes
[06:02] <ins-dragonclaw> :P
[06:02] <phyerboss> I like that one since I use it on my media rig
[06:02] <cotyrothery> i know that i can only boot from my first drive now
[06:02] <cotyrothery> took forever to figure that out
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> on the login screen, an option (or icon) for session.  when you click that, it's got a session menu that pops up, with an option for session type
[06:02] <cotyrothery> yeah it had 4 types
[06:02] <cotyrothery> or 5
[06:03] <cotyrothery> none of which said kde
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> you remember what those were?
[06:03] <cotyrothery> a little
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> gnome, failsafe
[06:03] <cotyrothery> yes
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> terminal
[06:03] <cotyrothery> yes
[06:03] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay. phyerboss: how many games did you install?
[06:03] <phyerboss> hey ins-dragonclaw, let me get the full list of everything installed
[06:03] <ins-dragonclaw> do you want a link to each one, or just a link to the zsnes emulator?
[06:03] <ins-dragonclaw> ok
[06:03] <kevin__> i dont get jre to kubuntu pn mozilla !=(
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> KDE should be an option in there as long as kubuntu-desktop fully installed
[06:04] <cotyrothery> it is
[06:04] <cotyrothery> maybe i need to redo that command you gave me
[06:04] <kevin__> good idea
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> try that, see what happens
[06:04] <cotyrothery> could you tell me what it was agin
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> now i have to get lunch and get ready to head to school :\
[06:05] <phyerboss> man its been years since I used mirc!...how do I register my nick in here?
[06:05] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:05] <cotyrothery> one sec
[06:05] <Jucato> phyerboss: /msg nickserv register <password>
[06:05] <Jucato> !register | phyerboss
[06:05] <ubotu> phyerboss: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:05] <chijin> mirc is a client, irc is the service we're all using
[06:06] <ins-dragonclaw> phyerboss:
[06:06] <phyerboss> ok
[06:06] <ins-dragonclaw> ./msg nickserv register <password>
[06:06] <ins-dragonclaw> drop the dot
[06:06] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[06:06] <cotyrothery> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
[06:06] <phyerboss> gotcha
[06:07] <kevin__> hehehehehahahahah
[06:07] <phyerboss> alrighty, im in!
[06:07] <cotyrothery> Daisuke_ido: E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
[06:08] <cotyrothery> Daisuke_ido: are you there
[06:08] <Jucato> cotyrothery: sudo apt-get clean
[06:09] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:09] <cotyrothery> ok now what
[06:09] <cotyrothery> do i redo that command
[06:09] <chijin> yes
[06:09] <chijin> cotyrothery: how big is your root partition?
[06:10] <cotyrothery> 15.0 gb
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> 0.1MB
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> damn
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> well, i was close :P
[06:10] <cotyrothery> i still got the same error
[06:10] <chijin> dpkg running out of space sounded like it's too small
[06:10] <chijin> do df -h and see how much space you have left
[06:10] <tdn> firecrotch, sorry. I was away for a bit. I use the Power Manager. I right click in its icon in the systray and then select Hibernate.
[06:11] <cotyrothery> ok what should i look for in the list
[06:11] <edemilson> brasil
[06:11] <chijin> cotyrothery: the line that says mounted on /
[06:11] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:11] <cotyrothery> what about it
[06:11] <chijin> cotyrothery: how much is available?
[06:12] <firecrotch> tdn: Try using the button on your laptop for hibernating
[06:12] <cotyrothery> it does not have anything
[06:12] <cotyrothery> !paste
[06:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:13] <cotyrothery> unionfs               700M  670M   31M  96% /
[06:13] <chijin> lol
[06:13] <tdn> firecrotch, my laptop does not have a button for that. It's a Thinkpad. Also this is not feasable. What should desktop-users do to hibernate then?
[06:13] <cotyrothery> varrun                 78M   80K   78M   1% /var/run
[06:13] <chijin> cotyrothery: your root partition is only 700 megs
[06:14] <chijin> cotyrothery: and it has only 31 megs left
[06:14] <edemilson> #ubuntu-pt
[06:14] <cotyrothery> i guess
[06:15] <cotyrothery> so what should i do
[06:15] <anon32> netsplit?
[06:15] <chijin> cotyrothery: it's an installed system, right?
[06:15] <cotyrothery> yes
[06:15] <cotyrothery> i haave kde installed
[06:16] <cotyrothery> its ubuntu i want installed
[06:16] <cotyrothery> so i can have both
[06:16] <chijin> you're not going to get anything installed on that partition
[06:17] <chijin> it's too small
[06:17] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:17] <firecrotch> tdn: Sorry, I had read that thinkpads have a button for that.
[06:17] <Ryiel> !3D
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <cotyrothery> !botsnack
[06:17] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:17] <cotyrothery> good boy
[06:17] <cotyrothery> you deserved that treat
[06:17] <firecrotch> Who says ubotu is a boy?
[06:17] <tdn> firecrotch, nope. Not mine. Also I would like to be able to hibernate other computers as well.
[06:18] <cotyrothery> girl
[06:18] <cotyrothery> ??
[06:18] <cotyrothery> good girl ubuntu
[06:18] <cotyrothery> your always helping
[06:19] <cotyrothery> so how am i going to get this ubuntu and kubuntu to dual boot
[06:19] <anon32> god damn it, anyone know how to set a maximum sessions limit in gdm or kdm?
[06:19] <neil> Hey guys
[06:19] <neil> does anyone know the ubuntu guide page on installing kde as well as gnome?
[06:19] <neil> Will kdm and gdm fight, or is it ok?
[06:20] <cotyrothery> so should i be able to boot into ubuntu from the kde menu
[06:20] <kristjan_> neil: I believe you can install gnome withou gdm
[06:20] <firecrotch> neil: it will still use kdm
[06:20] <neil> I already have gnome
[06:20] <neil> I want to add kde :D
[06:20] <neil> same thing tho?
[06:21] <cotyrothery> same here
[06:21] <cotyrothery> but turned around
[06:21] <firecrotch> neil: Yep, it will just use gdm
[06:21] <neil> ==> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE
[06:21] <neil> cool
[06:21] <neil> thanks :)
[06:21] <kristjan_> cotyrothery: what do you mean? "from kde menu"?
[06:22] <neil> firecrotch: if i decide i like kde
[06:22] <cotyrothery> someone tolled me to boot into kde from the ubuntu menu
[06:22] <neil> can i easily remove gnome and gdm, and swap to kdm?
[06:22] <kristjan_> cotyrothery: did you install kde in ubuntu?
[06:22] <cotyrothery> hmm
[06:22] <cotyrothery> i already have kde installed
[06:23] <cotyrothery> i want ubuntu installed to were i can boot into it also
[06:23] <kristjan_> cotyrothery: I'm afraid I do not understand you
[06:23] <chijin> cotyrothery: use the paste website and show me your whole df -h output
[06:23] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:23] <cotyrothery> !paste
[06:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:24] <cotyrothery> kristjan: i just want it to were i have the option of which i boot into
[06:25] <cotyrothery> I want to boot into either kde at start or gnome
[06:25] <giangiva_> !kde4
[06:25] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[06:25] <chijin> cotyrothery: first you need more space
[06:26] <cotyrothery> I have kde on a 30 gb drive
[06:26] <chijin> cotyrothery: how come your root partition is only 700 megs then?
[06:26] <cotyrothery> dont know
[06:26] <chijin> cotyrothery: you're out of space, you can't install software on your root partition
[06:27] <kristjan_> you should keep at least 10% of partition free all the time
[06:27] <cotyrothery> im sure i have more space
[06:27] <aaroncampbell> Well, so far I'm not having the greatest Kubuntu experience.  First, 6.10 wouldn't install...I was told to try 7.  That installed, but I can't get my dual widescreens working, I can't get my wired gigabit working, and firefox times out on almost EVERY page (although konqueror works)
[06:27] <edemilson> Por favor alguem poderia me dar informacoes sobre a distribuicao linux caldeira
[06:27] <chijin> cotyrothery: i asked you for the df -h output, where is it?
[06:27] <aaroncampbell> Does anyone know how to solve any of those?
[06:27] <cotyrothery> working on it
[06:27] <CarinArr> !es
[06:27] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:27] <Hrontore> im trying to install a driver "ati-driver-installer-8.34.8-x86.x86_64.run" how do i   do this?
[06:28] <chijin> cotyrothery: it shouldn't take more than 5 seconds :-O
[06:28] <cotyrothery> im on live cd
[06:28] <giangiva_> !amarok
[06:28] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[06:29] <cotyrothery> i cant wait to get a new computer
[06:29] <neil> cool i can choose gdm or kdm by default
[06:29] <neil> does it matter which?
[06:29] <Hrontore> not really they both have the same base
[06:29] <neil> ok :)
[06:29] <neil> ty
[06:30] <neil> I installed beryl on gnome..
[06:30] <kristjan_> neil: if you choose gdm then kde logout screen will give you only one option I believe
[06:30] <neil> will it need tweaking to run on kde?
[06:30] <cotyrothery> it is taking for  ever
[06:30] <neil> kristjan_: ah ok got it
[06:30] <anon32> GAH, anyone know how to disable multiple graphical logins?
[06:30] <anon32> anyone?
[06:30] <anon32> this is such a fscking pain
[06:30] <Hrontore> >.>
[06:31] <Hrontore> <.<
[06:31] <kristjan_> anon32: define "multiple graphical login"
[06:31] <coreymon77> !patience | anon32
[06:31] <ubotu> anon32: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:31] <anon32> kristjan_, when gnome or kde allows 2 or 3 users to run sessions at the same time
[06:32] <cotyrothery> I dont know if paste bin will ever load
[06:32] <anon32> I barely have the ram for 1 session
[06:32] <CarinArr> anon32: what do you actually mean
[06:32] <cotyrothery> finally
[06:32] <cotyrothery> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12532/
[06:32] <coreymon77> anon32: simple solution, upgrade your ram :D :P
[06:33] <cotyrothery> chijin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12532/
[06:33] <anon32> CarinArr, when user A starts a GNOME or KDE session, another user can come along and start a second session running at the same time. it's self-explanatory
[06:33] <anon32> coreymon77, no, that's not a solution, I already have 4 GB
[06:33] <anon32> and I want all of it for myself
[06:33] <Hrontore> 0-o
[06:33] <coreymon77> and how is that not enough for one session?
[06:33] <CarinArr> anon32: so someone is logging in remotely to your machine?
[06:33] <chijin> cotyrothery: can you also paste me your outputs for 'sudo fdisk -l' and 'sudo mount'
[06:33] <anon32> CarinArr, no, locally
[06:33] <CarinArr> or?
[06:33] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:34] <CarinArr> on the same machine?
[06:34] <anon32> CarinArr, yes
[06:34] <coreymon77> anon32: i only have 512 mb if i recall corrrectly and im running fine
[06:34] <CarinArr> i'm confused
[06:34] <anon32> coreymon77, well, I want ALL my ram for MYSELF
[06:34] <coreymon77> anon32: how is 4 gb barely enough for one session
[06:34] <coreymon77> ?
[06:34] <anon32> because I use it all
[06:34] <CarinArr> coreymon77: he's saying he has several users logged in at once
[06:34] <anon32> CarinArr, notice there's a "switch user"
[06:35] <coreymon77> i know
[06:35] <coreymon77> so you dont want people using your computer right?
[06:35] <anon32> and under system tools, there's a "new session"
[06:35] <CarinArr> anon32: yeah, but if it's your own machine, just tell people not to use it if you want all the resources yourself
[06:35] <anon32> coreymon77, nope, I don't want anyone else on my machine while I am
[06:35] <coreymon77> well then just say that
[06:35] <anon32> CarinArr, that's nice and all in a perfect world, but I want that enforced
[06:35] <coreymon77> its your machine
[06:35] <cotyrothery> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12534/
[06:35] <anon32> coreymon77, you think people listen to me? if they did, this wouldn't be a problem
[06:36] <coreymon77> anon32: lock your machine when you are not using it
[06:36] <anon32> coreymon77, they can still click "switch user"
[06:36] <cotyrothery> chijin: did you get that
[06:36] <CarinArr> anon32: not if you activate the screensaver and demand password to get out of it
[06:36] <ins-dragonclaw> be back later
[06:36] <chijin> cotyrothery: did you do 'sudo fdisk -l'? doesn't look like it to me
[06:37] <cotyrothery> let me do it again
[06:37] <coreymon77> anon32: exactly, if you password lockdown your computer when not using it, nobody but you will be able to use it
[06:37] <anon32> CarinArr, no, there's still a "switch user" button
[06:37] <coreymon77> anon32: not in a screensaver there isnt
[06:37] <anon32> when I password my screensaver, on resume, there's "password" "switch user" "cancel"
[06:37] <anon32> or am I missing something?
[06:37] <cotyrothery> chijin: it said command not found
[06:37] <coreymon77> since when was there switch user?
[06:38] <coreymon77> i never knew that
[06:38] <kevin__> i need to go now !
[06:38] <anon32> dunno, gnome user here - are we on a disconnect?
[06:38] <kevin__> ok?
[06:38] <CarinArr> anon32: you're in
[06:38] <CarinArr> #kubuntu
[06:38] <kevin__> cya all"S
[06:38] <CarinArr> -enter;)
[06:38] <coreymon77> anon32: if you are using gnome, why are you in the kubuntu channel
[06:38] <anon32> CarinArr, yes, because I can't go to #ubuntu and ##gnome is empty
[06:38] <neil> wow, that was a lot smoother than i expected.. kde worked straight off!
[06:38] <anon32> coreymon77, ^^
[06:39] <coreymon77> anon32: let me guess, you got banned from #ubuntu right?
[06:39] <cotyrothery> is there away to just make a partion for ubuntu
[06:39] <anon32> coreymon77, yes, but that's not the important question - the important question is how to enforce a maximum X sesion limit
[06:40] <cotyrothery> How can i get it to boot from my second drive
[06:40] <cotyrothery> that would work
[06:40] <neil> coreymon77: I use this channel even for gnome sometimes, I find its better
[06:40] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: and grub doesnt work?
[06:40] <cotyrothery> chijin: can we just make it work of my second drive?
[06:40] <coreymon77> true
[06:40] <neil> coreymon77: oh, he got banned..
[06:40] <neil> lol
[06:40] <neil> nvm then
[06:41] <cotyrothery> coreymon77: no grub does not work when on the second drive
[06:41] <coreymon77> well im clueless about gnome
[06:41] <cotyrothery> by the way what is the diffrence
[06:41] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: then why dont you just put it on the mbr? where its supposed to be
[06:41] <CarinArr> anon32: first of all if you're in a kde centred channel you could have a little bit of patience with people not having a clue about what you're on about when you're talking about a switch user button
[06:41] <cotyrothery> coreymon77: how
[06:41] <anon32> sorry, I can't find anywhere else to go....
[06:42] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: thats usually the default option
[06:42] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:42] <CarinArr> then for christs sake stop with the attitude when people bother trying to help you
[06:42] <cotyrothery> so i need to reinstall
[06:42] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: thats where grub is normally placed
[06:42] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: not necessarily
[06:42] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: i believe there are ways to do it
[06:43] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:43] <cotyrothery> how
[06:43] <anon32> *sigh* - anyone gonna help me?
[06:43] <coreymon77> anon32: you knwo what, no, not with that atitude
[06:44] <anon32> attitude?
[06:44] <gnomefreak> !atitude | anon32
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atitude - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <gnomefreak> !attitude
[06:44] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:44] <coreymon77> anon32: with all the sighing and all of that, nobodys gonna help you if you are being an ass about it
[06:45] <CarinArr> anon32: https://launchpad.net/gnome-session/+bug/75265 <- that looks as tho that is added in feisty
[06:45] <cotyrothery> coreymon77: im going to try the reinstall
[06:45] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: you dont have to
[06:45] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: what was the problem, you reinstalled windows and now you cant boot?
[06:45] <gnomefreak> coreymon77: thats ok no need to swear/use foul language and ignore him if you are not gonna help him please
[06:45] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: is that it?
[06:45] <cotyrothery> no
[06:45] <cotyrothery> i dont have windows
[06:45] <coreymon77> gnomefreak: sorry, my bad
[06:45] <anon32> coreymon77, .....please, you seem to be the one being confrontational
[06:46] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: so, what was your problem
[06:46] <cotyrothery> i just want ubuntu to work of my second drive
[06:46] <cotyrothery> or have it on the same a kde
[06:47] <soulrider_> is there a way to install all the deps from a .deb file ig ot without installing them manualy ?
[06:47] <gnomefreak> anon32: you are in a kubuntu channel not a ubuntu channel. your attitude upset a few users so far please keep you attitude under control and dont get discouraged when your question is not answered.
[06:47] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: and whas the matter, have you installed yet?
[06:47] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: kde i dont think so
[06:47] <cotyrothery> yes
[06:47] <cotyrothery> but it does not start
[06:47] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: what happens?
[06:47] <cotyrothery> nothing boots off my second drive
[06:47] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: gdebi does that but i dont think there was a kde front end made fo rit
[06:47] <cotyrothery> i just get a no operating system
[06:47] <CarinArr> anon32: people arent deliberately not answering your question. it might be that people simply don't know the answer
[06:48] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: does grub come up?
[06:48] <soulrider_> gnomefreak: with synaptic? im trying to install aptoncd, but it depends on synaptic nautilus-burning and other stuff i REALLY dont want
[06:48] <cotyrothery> no not when booting of my second hard drive
[06:48] <anon32> CarinArr, yes, I suppose so. Well, according to the bug, there is no answer, so I guess I'm leaving GNOME
[06:48] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: there really isnt a way to get past the depends of a package.
[06:48] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: okay, im confused, you have 2 drives, correct?
[06:48] <CarinArr> anon32: well it says it's fixed in feisty
[06:48] <cotyrothery> yes
[06:49] <soulrider_> maybe if i force install? :P
[06:49] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: which one is your master drive?
[06:49] <anon32> CarinArr, to be honest, I can't wait another month for the fix
[06:49] <cotyrothery> um my first
[06:49] <CarinArr> anon32: use a non-gnome screen locker perhaps?
[06:49] <anon32> CarinArr, huh, that's a thought - example?
[06:49] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: no forcing it wont help. apt has a no depends flag but cant promise the package will work correctly.
[06:49] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: and what is on that drive?
[06:49] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: what package is it?
[06:50] <soulrider_> aptoncd
[06:50] <cotyrothery> kde
[06:50] <CarinArr> anon32: xlock?
[06:50] <anon32> hmm, one sec
[06:50] <cotyrothery> KDE is on my first drive
[06:50] <anon32> CarinArr, where would I get it? it's not a valid exec and there's no xlock package
[06:51] <CarinArr> anon32: hang on
[06:51] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: you have to have all those depends for that. its a gtk app
[06:51] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: what linux distro
[06:51] <soulrider_> if i installt he damn dependencies, it will break other packages i think
[06:51] <fr0nk> btw the installation of the nvidia drivers didn't work for me properly, i had to rewrite the xorg.conf manually
[06:51] <fr0nk> dunno why but now it works
[06:51] <cotyrothery> coreymon77: what do you  mean?
[06:51] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: shouldnt break any official packages you have installed
[06:51] <anon32> coreymon77, he was here yesterday wasn't he? I think you have to talk without jargon to him
[06:51] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: if it does its a bug. but it shouldnt at all
[06:51] <cotyrothery> ok i have an idea
[06:51] <soulrider_> aptitude is telling me the score is -277 :P
[06:52] <CarinArr> anon32: try xlockmore
[06:52] <cotyrothery> why dont i make a new partion on my master drive
[06:52] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: judging by the fact that you have kde on your first dirve, you must have linux installed on it
[06:52] <neil> how do you add new icon sets to kde?
[06:52] <cotyrothery> like 3 gb
[06:52] <CarinArr> anon32: should be in universe
[06:52] <anon32> soulrider_, lol, is that like the popularity rating in app-install ?
[06:52] <cotyrothery> and install it htere
[06:52] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: use apt not aptitude
[06:52] <cotyrothery> there
[06:52] <cotyrothery> would that work
[06:52] <anon32> CarinArr, ok - so, the screen locker works no matter what dm?
[06:52] <CarinArr> anon32: should do
[06:52] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm stuffed :|
[06:52] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: it might remove things because of conflicts
[06:53] <soulrider_>   gamin: Conflicts: fam but 2.7.0-10ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[06:53] <anon32> CarinArr, it allow for screensavers? lol
[06:53] <soulrider_>   aptoncd: Depends: yelp but it is not installable
[06:53] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: i dont see any conflicts listed
[06:53] <soulrider_> i get that
[06:53] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: what do you want your end result to be?
[06:53] <ins-dragonclaw> !quanta
[06:53] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2361 kB, installed size 5700 kB
[06:53] <cotyrothery> i want dual boot
[06:53] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: sudo apt-get -f install
[06:53] <soulrider_> but its not int he repos
[06:53] <cotyrothery> i want a choose of which
[06:53] <soulrider_> i had to downlaod it from somewhere else
[06:53] <cotyrothery> one i want
[06:53] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: its not?
[06:53] <cotyrothery> at boot
[06:53] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: dual boot between what and what
[06:53] <cotyrothery> kde and gnome
[06:54] <chijin> :-)
[06:54] <CarinArr> anon32: uhm not sure, but most screensaver applications allow for screen locking as well
[06:54] <gnomefreak> !info aptoncd
[06:54] <ubotu> Package aptoncd does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[06:54] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: that isnt really needed
[06:54] <gnomefreak> ah its in feisty though :)
[06:54] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: let me explain, kde and gnome are not different oses, they are just desktop environments
[06:54] <cotyrothery> what is not needed
[06:54] <chijin> coreymon77: his root partition is only 700 megs
[06:54] <gnomefreak> soulrider_: you may have to install each depend to install it since you dont have gdebi
[06:54] <cotyrothery> yeah i know
[06:55] <CarinArr> anon32: try xscreensaver
[06:55] <anon32> CarinArr, huh, xlock works... but it's kinda ugly
[06:55] <cotyrothery> What if i make another partion
[06:55] <CarinArr> anon32: that should allow you to lock the session as well
[06:55] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: you dont need grub to choose between kde and gnome
[06:55] <cotyrothery> so what do i do
[06:55] <anon32> CarinArr, when I try to run xscreensaver, it just says "process xscreensaver already running"
[06:55] <CarinArr> anon32: *rolls eyes* we never said it was pretty
[06:55] <ins-dragonclaw> !seen
[06:55] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: you jsut choose which one you want to useonce linux has booted
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <cotyrothery> how so
[06:56] <cotyrothery> were do i choose?
[06:56] <neil> hey guys, why is konversation different after i installed kde?
[06:56] <anon32> CarinArr, oh wait, that was gnome-screensaver, I'll try xscreensaver
[06:56] <neil> it has different icons, and a new layout
[06:56] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: before you log in, a screen pops up asking you for your username and password
[06:56] <cotyrothery> yea
[06:56] <neil> i prefered konversation in gnome, but dont know how to get it back like that
[06:56] <soulrider_> !info gamin
[06:56] <ubotu> gamin: File and directory monitoring system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.7-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 60 kB, installed size 184 kB
[06:56] <cotyrothery> so if i boot into kde
[06:56] <cotyrothery> i can boot into gnome
[06:57] <cotyrothery> from the menu at start up
[06:57] <coreymon77> exactly
[06:57] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:57] <coreymon77> in that menu on the log in screen
[06:57] <cotyrothery> so let me reboot
[06:57] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:57] <soulrider_> is gamin very important? because its uninstalling it... =/
[06:57] <coreymon77> ywait
[06:57] <coreymon77> wait
[06:57] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:57] <coreymon77> you dont need to restart
[06:57] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:57] <cotyrothery> what do i need to do
[06:57] <coreymon77> all you need to do is log out or restart x with ctrl+alt+bbackspace
[06:58] <coreymon77> preferably log out
[06:58] <cotyrothery> ok
[06:58] <cotyrothery> then?
[06:58] <coreymon77> on the log in screen
[06:58] <ins-dragonclaw> soulrider_: ". In component main, is optional."
[06:58] <cotyrothery> um hm
[06:58] <ins-dragonclaw> so it shouldn't be important
[06:58] <anon32> CarinArr, it doesn't allow for me to choose "Helios" as my screensaver :-(
[06:58] <anon32> other than that, it seems to work
[06:58] <Hrontore> I need help, I'm playing windows game using linux, either the game freezes or has an incredible low frame rate
[06:58] <coreymon77> just click on the menu and choose session type, then click on kde or gnome depending on which one you want to boot into
[06:58] <soulrider_> i think its on j ridells repos
[06:58] <cotyrothery> so should i go ahead and log out
[06:58] <coreymon77> once you have chosen your session type
[06:58] <cotyrothery> hey
[06:58] <coreymon77> just log in like normal
[06:58] <cotyrothery> last tiem i did that
[06:59] <cotyrothery> there was no kde
[06:59] <coreymon77> what do you mean?
[06:59] <cotyrothery> i saw no kde
[06:59] <coreymon77> in taht menu?
[06:59] <cotyrothery> there was gnome
[06:59] <cotyrothery> yeah
[06:59] <cotyrothery> and a few others
[06:59] <cotyrothery> but no kde
[06:59] <coreymon77> what are you in right now?
[06:59] <cotyrothery> gnome
[07:00] <coreymon77> ubuntu?
[07:00] <cotyrothery> yes
[07:00] <cotyrothery> live cd
[07:00] <coreymon77> oh
[07:00] <coreymon77> livecd
[07:00] <coreymon77> well that explains it
[07:00] <coreymon77> you cant do it form a livecd
[07:00] <cotyrothery> oh
[07:00] <coreymon77> is ubuntu installed on your computer
[07:00] <coreymon77> ?
[07:00] <cotyrothery> yes but it does not boot
[07:00] <cotyrothery> I installed it on my slave
[07:00] <coreymon77> is kubuntu installed?
[07:01] <cotyrothery> but i cant get it to boot
[07:01] <gnomefreak> looks like grub issue
[07:01] <anon32> gah, try and condense your sentences..
[07:01] <coreymon77> do you have both ubuntu and kubuntu installed?
[07:01] <cotyrothery> yes
[07:01] <cotyrothery> kde on master
[07:01] <cotyrothery> and gnome on slave
[07:01] <coreymon77> so
[07:01] <gnomefreak> cotyrothery: what error are you getting whne you try to boot?
[07:01] <BluesKaj> same ol same ol , eh cotyrothery ? :(
[07:01] <cotyrothery> well it boots me into kde
[07:01] <coreymon77> why didnt you just type apt-get isntall ubuntu-desktop
[07:02] <cotyrothery> so i unpluged mater drive
[07:02] <anon32> I think there's a communication error here......
[07:02] <cotyrothery> and left slave pluged in
[07:02] <CarinArr> o.O
[07:02] <yorokobi> cotyrothery: why do you have two separate installs? are you using different versions of (K)Ubuntu?
[07:02] <mikedomo> yeah kubuntu
[07:02] <coreymon77> yorokobi: i think he is
[07:02] <yorokobi> ie, 6.06 and 6.10
[07:02] <cotyrothery> no
[07:02] <cotyrothery> i have 6.06 ubuntu
[07:02] <mikedomo> i have 6.10 version
[07:02] <cotyrothery> and 6.06 kubuntu
[07:03] <mikedomo> and very soon 7.04
[07:03] <coreymon77> yorokobi: thats the problem, i think he has then installed seperatly
[07:03] <cotyrothery> i do
[07:03] <ins-dragonclaw> Hrontore: you still here?
[07:03] <Hrontore> yes
[07:03] <cotyrothery> one on each ddrive
[07:03] <anon32> CarinArr, thanks a lot, even if it's not very pretty, xlock will work till feisty's out :-)
[07:03] <ins-dragonclaw> what are you trying to play?
[07:03] <coreymon77> you see, tahts the problem, what was the point in doing that
[07:03] <CarinArr> cotyrothery: they're the same os, just with different front ends.. but there's nothing stopping you from running kde and gnome from the same install
[07:03] <yorokobi> KDE and Gnome can exist together on the same install of (K)Ubuntu.
[07:03] <gnomefreak> if he unplugged the drive with grub/mbr is wont bootto anything
[07:03] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:03] <CarinArr> anon32: welcome
[07:03] <mikedomo> i like kde theme
[07:03] <coreymon77> kubuntu and ubuntu can exist together on the same drive and the same partition
[07:03] <Hrontore> ins-dragonclaw Low end games, Counter strike, metal gear solid
[07:03] <cotyrothery> so should i install it on my master
[07:03] <mikedomo> i dont like gnome theme
[07:04] <cotyrothery> with kde
[07:04] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay. obviously you're running wine - what version?
[07:04] <Hrontore> ins-dragonclaw I dont know
[07:04] <anon32> CarinArr, hell, speaking of feisty, is it stable enough for generic usage? I know the usual "it's beta, it'll give you cancer", but your thoughts?
[07:04] <yorokobi> cotyrothery: yes. The hardest choice will be between gdm or kdm :)
[07:04] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: plug your master back in, boot into kde, open up a konsole window
[07:04] <ins-dragonclaw> try wine --version in a konsole
[07:04] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:04] <cotyrothery> then what
[07:04] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: and then type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:04] <CarinArr> anon32: i haven't a clue actually, i'm still using edgy, but a lot of people say feisty is more stable than edgy already
[07:05] <ins-dragonclaw> edgy's pretty darn solid, far as i'm concerned
[07:05] <anon32> CarinArr, hmm, yeah, I'd try but for the fact that the wine and tor repositories don't have feisty branches yet
[07:05] <cotyrothery> should i do that now
[07:05] <coreymon77> yes
[07:05] <Hrontore> ins-dragonclaw wine ver 0.9.22
[07:05] <coreymon77> come back on irc when you are back in kde
[07:05] <CarinArr> anon32: i dont use either of them so i wouldn't know;)
[07:05] <cotyrothery> what can i do with my slave
[07:05] <anon32> Hrontore, upgrade it :-)
[07:05] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:05] <ins-dragonclaw> okay... the latest is 0.9.32
[07:05] <anon32> CarinArr, how could you live without tor? lol
[07:05] <cotyrothery> see ya in a few
[07:05] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, no, 0.9.33
[07:05] <coreymon77> cotyrothery: kepp it plugged in
[07:06] <Hrontore> how upgrade?
[07:06] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[07:06] <CarinArr> will i be killed if i admit to hav eno idea what tor is
[07:06] <anon32> Hrontore, winehq.com - directions
[07:06] <mikedomo> down microsoft windows this OS is only for loosers
[07:06] <Hrontore> thnx
[07:06] <CarinArr> apart from a nordic god;)
[07:06] <anon32> CarinArr, kind of, lol
[07:06] <anon32> mikedomo, don't troll
[07:06] <anon32> CarinArr, tor.eff.org
[07:06] <ins-dragonclaw> anon32: i didn't have kubuntu on the machine i was downloading from - so i had to get the older version from the repository
[07:06] <ins-dragonclaw> but i don't use wine anyway
[07:06] <mikedomo> ok
[07:06] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, I don't use it for much either, but it's nice to have around
[07:06] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[07:07] <ins-dragonclaw> for the odd game of solitare
[07:07] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[07:07] <ins-dragonclaw> I DRINK wine, but that's going offtopic :p
[07:07] <CarinArr> aha.. i don't have particular privacy issues;)
[07:07] <mikedomo> is a great place to trade ideas within the users
[07:07] <CarinArr> so i think i'll just about manage without tor a while longer
[07:08] <ins-dragonclaw> ahh tor
[07:08] <coreymon77> tor?
[07:08] <ins-dragonclaw> death sentence from hell for irc server admins
[07:08] <ins-dragonclaw> The Onion Ring, something like that
[07:08] <ins-dragonclaw> basically a gigantic open proxy
[07:08] <ins-dragonclaw> it's anonymous and terribly unsafe
[07:08] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, the onion router, it rules
[07:08] <Hrontore> winehq doesnt have a dl for kubuntu, should i dl the one for ubuntu?
[07:08] <ins-dragonclaw> there we go
[07:08] <anon32> Hrontore, yeah, it's the same idea
[07:09] <ins-dragonclaw> Hrontore: try sudo apt-get install wine
[07:09] <ins-dragonclaw> or ... upgrade wine
[07:10] <CarinArr> so basically all the little scritp kiddies use tor to wreak havoc?
[07:10] <ins-dragonclaw> somewhat
[07:10] <mikedomo> the best ubuntu version coming soon feisty fawn 7.04
[07:10] <ins-dragonclaw> they route their warbots through it
[07:10] <anon32> CarinArr, and people in evil countries use it to browse the web
[07:10] <ins-dragonclaw> like the Sub7 tojan
[07:10] <anon32> CarinArr, it does have abuse problems though
[07:10] <ins-dragonclaw> trojan*
[07:10] <ins-dragonclaw> since it makes you totally untraceable
[07:10] <ins-dragonclaw> people use it for just about every nefarious cyber-activity
[07:10] <CarinArr> yikes
[07:10] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, actually, tor is open for timing analysis
[07:11] <anon32> CarinArr, everybody in China uses tor, same with Saudi Arabia
[07:11] <CarinArr> i haven't been involved in irc server administration for 5 years or so, and it was hell enough already;)
[07:11] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[07:11] <neil> hi guys, just installed kde ontop of ubuntu.. its changed konversation though. channels are now in a big panel on the left, not in a small one below where you type...
[07:11] <neil> anyone know how to change it back?
[07:11] <ins-dragonclaw> no wonder we had no chinese users on our network :p
[07:11] <ins-dragonclaw> our Defender was set to disallow all TOR connections
[07:11] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, freenode allows hostmask changes for tor users though
[07:12] <anon32> e.g., I've been here in tor before (not right now)
[07:12] <ins-dragonclaw> well, freenode is exactly that - free
[07:12] <CarinArr> neil: no idea, i don't use konversation im afraid
[07:12] <ins-dragonclaw> like the freeports
[07:12] <ins-dragonclaw> all are welcome
[07:12] <anon32> neil, xchat user here :-\
[07:12] <anon32> xchat has transparency (fake though) :-)
[07:12] <neil> xchat doesnt work when I'm away at university for some reason tho :)
[07:13] <ins-dragonclaw> What i DO need is a BNC... :/
[07:13] <CarinArr> lol
[07:13] <anon32> hehe
[07:13] <ins-dragonclaw> my web provider doesn't allow me to run active processes on their servers
[07:13] <ins-dragonclaw> which really sucks
[07:13] <anon32> yeah, I never liked using terminals for anything - legibility issues
[07:14] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, ow
[07:14] <ins-dragonclaw> :|
[07:14] <coreymon77> i use terminals for things
[07:14] <coreymon77> not irc though
[07:14] <ins-dragonclaw> when i FTP in to upload stuff, i even see the .bash files - but they refuse ssh connections
[07:14] <ins-dragonclaw> even though cPanel allows the service
[07:14] <ins-dragonclaw> I -REALLY- wonder why
[07:14] <CarinArr> ins-dragonclaw: annoying
[07:14] <ins-dragonclaw> to the extreme
[07:14] <ins-dragonclaw> for me, anyway
[07:15] <ins-dragonclaw> even the online cPanel documentation shows you how to ssh in
[07:15] <Hrontore> i hit a wall
[07:15] <coty> ok im back
[07:15] <ins-dragonclaw> Hrontore: I live in that wall ;)
[07:15] <coreymon77> oh hi
[07:15] <coty> it is installing gnome
[07:15] <coreymon77> good
[07:15] <Hrontore> ins-dragonclaw thank god
[07:15] <coreymon77> okay
[07:15] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[07:15] <coreymon77> when it asks you to choose between kdm and gdm
[07:15] <coty> its going to take awhile
[07:15] <ins-dragonclaw> but it's the people on the other side that you want to talk to :p
[07:15] <Hrontore> how do i add the wine repository to my apt ?
[07:15] <coreymon77> choose kdm
[07:16] <coty> and it going to take 600 mb
[07:16] <coty> ok
[07:16] <ins-dragonclaw> directions on their site
[07:16] <anon32> Hrontore, follow the instructions at winehq
[07:16] <ins-dragonclaw> http://www.winehq.org/download-deb
[07:16] <ins-dragonclaw> i thin
[07:16] <ins-dragonclaw> k*
[07:16] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, don't they have a specific page about ubuntu now?
[07:16] <Hrontore> oh
[07:16] <ins-dragonclaw> pulled that url from memory, so don't shoot me if it;s wrong
[07:16] <ins-dragonclaw> they do
[07:16] <ins-dragonclaw> for ubuntu
[07:16] <ins-dragonclaw> that's the url
[07:16] <coty> is it worth
[07:16] <coty> it
[07:16] <coreymon77> depends
[07:16] <coty> getting ubuntu
[07:16] <coreymon77> do you want to have gnome
[07:17] <ins-dragonclaw> coty: what are you running now?
[07:17] <ins-dragonclaw> overload...
[07:17] <coty> well i like the look
[07:17] <ins-dragonclaw> :P
[07:17] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, ah, oops
[07:17] <coty> kde
[07:17] <ins-dragonclaw> anon32: no problem. lol.
[07:17] <coty> is there anything special bout gnome
[07:17] <Hrontore> shit
[07:17] <ins-dragonclaw> not really
[07:17] <anon32> say, are there any standard 5:4 resolutions other than 1280x1024?
[07:17] <coreymon77> not really
[07:17] <coty> ok
[07:17] <anon32> and also, anyone recommend a good LCD? I want one that does 1600x1200
[07:17] <ins-dragonclaw> define them manually, anon32
[07:17] <coty> so how do i end this
[07:17] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, ok
[07:17] <coreymon77> you wanna cancel?
[07:17] <ins-dragonclaw> don't look at me, anon32
[07:17] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[07:18] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, second question? ah...
[07:18] <coty> ok
[07:18] <coreymon77> okay
[07:18] <coty> i quit the install
[07:18] <CarinArr> does anyone know whether IO errors when fscking one of my partitions means my hdd is toast or if it can be rectified by formatting the partition in question?
[07:18] <coreymon77> okay
[07:18] <coty> not worth it
[07:18] <ins-dragonclaw> 1st: define manually. 2nd: Don't ask me as i know nothing about LCDs
[07:18] <coty> Has anyone tried edubuntu
[07:18] <ins-dragonclaw> not me
[07:19] <coty> because i would like to try it
[07:19] <coty> for school
[07:19] <ins-dragonclaw> i got ubuntu and kubuntu, love kubuntu and haven't looked for a replacement yet...
[07:19] <coreymon77> coty: nope, but its useless for home computer use
[07:19] <yorokobi> anon32: I can recommend a 16:9 1680x1050
[07:19] <ins-dragonclaw> what's different about it?
[07:19] <coty> it says it can be for schools or home
[07:19] <Hrontore> ins-dragonclaw: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12550/
[07:19] <coreymon77> its education oriented
[07:19] <coty> yeah
[07:19] <coreymon77> made for schools
[07:19] <coreymon77> mostly a kids distro
[07:19] <coty> it also says home
[07:19] <coty> on the cover
[07:20] <coty> but would it be a benifit to me
[07:20] <coreymon77> depends
[07:20] <coreymon77> whatever you want
[07:20] <ins-dragonclaw> linux for kids?
[07:20] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[07:20] <coreymon77> kidna
[07:20] <coreymon77> it has lots of educational programs on it
[07:20] <anon32> yorokobi, eww, 1680x1050 = crap
[07:20] <coreymon77> and other stuff like that
[07:20] <coty> I'm home schooled
[07:21] <coreymon77> oh
[07:21] <coty> I wonder if it has anything on computer programming
[07:21] <ins-dragonclaw> Hrontore: is that from trying apt-get install wine?
[07:21] <coreymon77> you could try it
[07:21] <coty> considering im working on c++
[07:21] <coreymon77> nobodys stopping you
[07:21] <coty> and lua
[07:21] <coty> then i wll do c
[07:21] <coty> then java
[07:21] <coreymon77> but the way to do it is apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[07:21] <coty> and so on
[07:21] <coty> asm
[07:21] <CarinArr> coty: errrrrr...
[07:21] <coty> ok
[07:21] <coty> errr what
[07:21] <Hrontore> ins-dragonclaw: well i added the repos to apt, and it did that
[07:22] <CarinArr> coty: try doing one at the time... and ubuntu is fine for all of those, you don't need edubuntu
[07:22] <coreymon77> personally i like ku
[07:22] <CarinArr> or rather edubuntu isn't going to magically teach you how to do them
[07:22] <CarinArr> well i meant (k)ubuntu
[07:23] <coty> i know that
[07:23] <ins-dragonclaw> Hrontore: try apt-setup and apt-get update
[07:23] <ins-dragonclaw> see what it does
[07:23] <coty> im not an idiot
[07:23] <ins-dragonclaw> flood... my connection's lagging
[07:23] <coreymon77> coty: nobodys saying that
[07:23] <CarinArr> coty: you said you were wondering if it had anything "on" programming
[07:23] <Hrontore> in the termenal?
[07:23] <ins-dragonclaw> yes
[07:23] <CarinArr> so i was answering that
[07:24] <coty> yeah
[07:24] <coty> just wondering
[07:24] <coty> maybe it has programes
[07:24] <coty> to help you learn programming
[07:24] <coty> not that i need it with c++
[07:24] <coty> or lua
[07:24] <Hrontore> ins-dragonclaw: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12557/
[07:24] <coty> there both easy so far
[07:24] <ins-dragonclaw> would SUSE packages run on Kubuntu, anyone?
[07:25] <coty> I dont have a burner but i would like to try other linuxs
[07:25] <coty> how would i go about doing so
[07:25] <compilerwriter> ins-dragonclaw: I am not certain, but my gut tells me no.
[07:25] <CarinArr> ins-dragonclaw: what extension are suse packages? they .rpm as well?
[07:25] <ins-dragonclaw> i think so
[07:25] <CarinArr> if so, then you can try to alien them
[07:25] <anon32> CarinArr, I think suse is rpm-based
[07:26] <CarinArr> !alien
[07:26] <anon32> so, can anyone recommend a good LCD? I want one with 1600x1200 resolution
[07:26] <compilerwriter> CarinArr Alien them?
[07:26] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[07:26] <coty> does anyone know how i can install other linuxs with out a burner
[07:26] <ins-dragonclaw> dangerous
[07:26] <ins-dragonclaw> oh boy
[07:26] <CarinArr> heh.. relative.. what are you trying to install?
[07:26] <ins-dragonclaw> i have the suse 10.1 dvd, and it has about a million packages i need, that i would otherwise download
[07:26] <coty> i just want to explore the other linuxs
[07:27] <coty> see what there like
[07:27] <CarinArr> ah i see
[07:27] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, don't try installing SuSE packages... not smart
[07:27] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, get native ones
[07:27] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[07:27] <coty> but i have now burner
[07:27] <compilerwriter> coty:  There are several *nix operating systems out there that have live cds.
[07:27] <CarinArr> if there's anything less than basic, or .. disjoint, there's a tendency for dependency issues when you install rpms
[07:27] <anon32> coty, I have now burner?
[07:27] <ins-dragonclaw> no*
[07:27] <anon32> is that "I now have a burner" or "I have no burner"
[07:27] <coty> oh
[07:27] <ins-dragonclaw> i have kubuntu and ubuntu cds from shipit
[07:28] <coty> yeah the only reason i have kubuntu is because it was shiped free
[07:28] <ins-dragonclaw> CarinArr: I think download would be better in either case
[07:28] <CarinArr> commercial software is often released as rpm's only, which is why i've had the pleasure of making alien's acquaintance
[07:28] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[07:28] <anon32> coty, buy a DVD burner, cheap[
[07:28] <Hrontore> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12556/
[07:28] <coty> i know
[07:28] <coty> i will have to save up
[07:28] <ins-dragonclaw> krap
[07:28] <ins-dragonclaw> someone at my isp turned off port 80
[07:28] <coty> I still have no job
[07:28] <ins-dragonclaw> :(
[07:29] <coty> i turn 16 this summer
[07:29] <ins-dragonclaw> <-- 18
[07:29] <CarinArr> coty: plenty of time then;)
[07:29] <neil__> <-- 19
[07:29] <CarinArr> <-- old
[07:29] <coty> lol
[07:29] <CarinArr> :)
[07:29] <neil__> wish i was 16 lol
[07:29] <ins-dragonclaw> bbiab
[07:29] <coty> no
[07:29] <CarinArr> i wish i was 19, never mind 16
[07:29] <coty> not that great
[07:29] <neil__> How old are you then CarinArr :)
[07:29] <CarinArr> 26
[07:30] <neil__> =D
[07:30] <neil__> still 4 years to 30
[07:30] <neil__> lol
[07:30] <CarinArr> lol
[07:30] <frojnd> does anyone know how can I set kicker, that I will be able to move windows above pannel??
[07:30] <CarinArr> 3.5 but thanks
[07:30] <coty> Hey i might not be good with linux yet
[07:30] <neil__> heh
[07:30] <coty> but i can hack a psp
[07:30] <Hrontore> i messed up apt, will some on help me fix it?
[07:30] <coty> i no every thing about the psp
[07:30] <CarinArr> coty: install linux on it
[07:30] <coty> i did
[07:30] <coty> with bochs
[07:30] <coty> not really install
[07:31] <coty> but bochs emulates it
[07:31] <CarinArr> does anyone know whether IO errors when fscking one of my partitions means my hdd is toast or if it can be rectified by formatting the partition in question?
[07:31] <CarinArr> (sorry for repeating myself:) )
[07:31] <coty> I need some good programs to install on my new kubuntu computer
[07:32] <coty> what should i get
[07:33] <Hrontore> shouuld i partition my hd and reinstall kubuntu?
[07:33] <coty> you know what is funny
[07:33] <coty> im 15 and have a site that i just started with 134 people
[07:33] <coty> as members
[07:33] <andres_> HI can some one help me to Configure my PCI Sound card?
[07:34] <fyrmedic> I installed fglrx and it stopped working suddenly. Any idea
[07:34] <coty> so does anyone know of any good programs i should get?
[07:35] <CarinArr> fyrmedic: what stopped working? fglrx? or X? or?
[07:35] <coty> I know what i want
[07:35] <CarinArr> coty: well if you want to get into programming you should probably get build-essential
[07:35] <coty> but i dont know how to get it
[07:35] <coty> i have that
[07:35] <coty> what i really wnat is beryl
[07:36] <coty> but i dont know were to download it
[07:36] <coty> anyone know
[07:36] <fyrmedic> CarinArr: I am not able to use OpenGL and it says that the Mesa Drivers are still there. It worked fine then disappeared while I was installing something else, but I don't remember what.
[07:36] <CarinArr> coty: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu
[07:36] <compilerwriter>  alkdjf
[07:37] <coty> thanks
[07:37] <coty> will that be a direct download
[07:37] <CarinArr> coty: read the wiki;)
[07:37] <coty> oh ok
[07:37] <coty> lol
[07:37] <coty> reading
[07:37] <coty> :(
[07:37] <CarinArr> fyrmedic: don't know much about ati i'm afraid so probably can't help
[07:37] <ins-dragonclaw> Patience is the greatest virtue not known to Man
[07:38] <fyrmedic> thanks anyway
[07:39] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: Tell that to my horse.
[07:39] <coty> I still can not beleive i got kubuntu working after 3 weeks
[07:39] <ins-dragonclaw> coty: took me about 30 minutes ;)
[07:39] <coty> I had to wipe out windows to get ti to work
[07:39] <coty> i was trying to get it to work on slave
[07:40] <coty> but then i finally relized it needed to be on master
[07:40] <ins-dragonclaw> okay, this is getting annoying
[07:40] <coty> because kubuntu desevers respect
[07:40] <CarinArr> i still can't believe i'm having harddrive issues with a 1400 quid laptop that i've had for less than two weeks
[07:40] <ins-dragonclaw> OOo's Writer sucks when it comes to HTML
[07:40] <ins-dragonclaw> bluefish won't install - nvu won't install
[07:40] <Hrontore> ins-dragonclaw, im backing up my files and i'm preping to reinstall, can any one here help my fix apt
[07:40] <ins-dragonclaw> quanta needs like 30 additional packages to work
[07:40] <ins-dragonclaw> and FP won't work because it needs IE5, which won't install
[07:41] <Hrontore> but quanta is good
[07:41] <ins-dragonclaw> it's at about this time that i wish i knew html coding by hand :(
[07:41] <ins-dragonclaw> kate would be great (no pun intended) but i suck at text-only webdesign
[07:41] <coty> is there away to upgrade to 6.10 without having the cd
[07:41] <ins-dragonclaw> coty - yes
[07:41] <ins-dragonclaw> but i don't know how... lol
[07:42] <coty> cool
[07:42] <coty> how
[07:42] <ins-dragonclaw> grr
[07:42] <coty> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[07:42] <life> I installed kubuntu a few years ago, now I use almost purely the gnome desktop, is it wise to uninstall all the KDE programms?
[07:42] <ins-dragonclaw> but i don't know how... lol
[07:42] <coty> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[07:42] <ins-dragonclaw> life - only if you don't need them
[07:42] <life> I don't :)
[07:42] <coty> i want the new one
[07:42] <coty> 7.04
[07:42] <ins-dragonclaw> well then, backup and fire away
[07:42] <coty> how
[07:43] <ins-dragonclaw> Test edgy->feisty upgrade https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[07:43] <ins-dragonclaw> it's in the channel topic, coty
[07:43] <ins-dragonclaw> you should really spend more time reading
[07:43] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[07:43] <coty> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[07:43] <ubuntu> Hi there
[07:43] <ins-dragonclaw> reading is very good for you
[07:43] <ins-dragonclaw> traitor!!! lol
[07:43] <coty> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[07:44] <coty> so
[07:44] <ins-dragonclaw> course, i'm a little biased - i write as a hobby ^^
[07:44] <ins-dragonclaw> heh
[07:44] <life> ins-dragonclaw, I supposedly uninstalled the kubuntu-desktop but no programms were uninstalled.
[07:44] <Daisuke_Ido> kubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package
[07:44] <ins-dragonclaw> Ubuntu: "Kubuntu, I Am Your Father" ... I can just picture that XD
[07:44] <Hrontore> does edgy mean=unstable?
[07:44] <ins-dragonclaw> no
[07:44] <ins-dragonclaw> i'm on edgy
[07:45] <ins-dragonclaw> pretty darn stable
[07:45] <Daisuke_Ido> no, Windows = unstable
[07:45] <life> Daisuke_Ido, that's what they told me. What do I have to do to remove all the kde programms?
[07:45] <Daisuke_Ido> remove the ones you're sure you don't need one by one
[07:45] <ins-dragonclaw> only real issue i had was with my media players - kaffeine and amarok
[07:45] <Hrontore> i hate those any way
[07:45] <phyerboss> hey ins-dragonclaw im back
[07:45] <Daisuke_Ido> there's probably a better way
[07:46] <ins-dragonclaw> welcome back, phyerboss
[07:46] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[07:46] <Daisuke_Ido> hate amarok?  that's inhuman!
[07:46] <phyerboss> thanks
[07:46] <Hrontore> kaffiene
[07:46] <Hrontore> =hate
[07:46] <ins-dragonclaw> *Darth Vader voice* "I've been ... expecting you..."
[07:46] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, that's fair enough
[07:46] <ins-dragonclaw> kaffeine = my movie collection
[07:46] <life> Daisuke_Ido, okayz I'll uninstall one by one then
[07:47] <life> thx
[07:47] <CarinArr> i had to remove the kaffeine icon from my desktop cause it was just too ugly
[07:47] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo rmdir /boot/
[07:47] <ins-dragonclaw> CarinArr: I like it
[07:47] <CarinArr> yuk
[07:47] <ins-dragonclaw> the coffee bean reminds me of my morning ritual :D
[07:47] <Hrontore> oh
[07:47] <Hrontore> my second cup awaits
[07:47] <ins-dragonclaw> see?
[07:47] <CarinArr> doesn't really look like an actual coffee bean tho
[07:47] <ins-dragonclaw> kaffeine helps ;)
[07:47] <CarinArr> by now i need a cup too
[07:47] <ins-dragonclaw> no, looks more like a coin with a slot
[07:48] <ins-dragonclaw> or a brown headache tablet
[07:48] <CarinArr> yes
[07:48] <Hrontore> you mean chocolot coverd coffe beans
[07:48] <ins-dragonclaw> well, on my machine it's a little blue gear, so that's ok :)
[07:49] <phyerboss> aw man!...hey dragonclaw, I cant PM you, even though I registered its back to blocking me
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> mmm...  chocolate covered espresso beans...
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> phyerboss:  did you identify?
[07:49] <phyerboss> identify?
[07:49] <Kubuntu-Nick> bye
[07:49] <coty> great
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> phyerboss: /msg nickserv identify <password>
[07:50] <coty> im having another problem
[07:50] <phyerboss> ok
[07:50] <coty> same thing happened yesterday
[07:50] <coty> i can open adept
[07:50] <coty> cant
[07:50] <coty> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[07:50] <phyerboss> ok, thanks Daisuke!
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> coty: sudo apt-get update
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> they don't let you know you have to be superuser to do that :\
[07:51] <coty> E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[07:51] <coty> I am the admin of this computer
[07:52] <CarinArr> !sourceomatic | coty
[07:52] <ubotu> coty: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:52] <coty> this happened to me yesterday
[07:53] <coty> its driving me crazy
[07:53] <coty> why does it keep doing this
[07:53] <phyerboss> i have a question that i was gonna shoot at dragonclaw if anyone wants a stab at it;)
[07:54] <phyerboss> what codecs & plugins do you all have installed for playback of mpeg, mp3 and wma files?
[07:55] <coty> what do i do once i regenerate my source.list
[07:55] <abaldwin> Hi!
[07:55] <phyerboss> when i was on indows, i could listen to music and watch movies through my network...you know, like wath a movie downstairs thats sitting on a hard drive upstairs on this pc
[07:56] <abaldwin> I stopped in hoping someone could assist me briefly with a monitor issue
[07:56] <phyerboss> well, i noticed since i changed to linux, i can get into my network neighborhood folders but i cannot playback any music or mpegs
[07:56] <jack_> hi
[07:56] <jack_> does anybody have an academic tux, with a dr hat or sth similar??
[07:56] <jack_> cannot find that
[07:57] <jack_> doctor hat i mena
[07:57] <jack_> mean
[07:57] <phyerboss> abaldwin: whats going on with your monitor?
[07:57] <ins-dragonclaw> :|
[07:57] <abaldwin> I just bought an Acer X171, 17in flat screen LCD, and, upon rebooting, after all the text stuff, once X starts, the monitor goes blank except for a input not supported msg
[07:57] <atphalix> red hat certificate?
[07:57] <ins-dragonclaw> ouch
[07:57] <abaldwin> I kind of expected Kubuntu to auto detect the monitor or something, like Kudzu doesn in fedora (my previous distro)
[07:57] <phyerboss> welcome back dragonclaw
[07:57] <ins-dragonclaw> maybe X picked iy up wrong
[07:57] <ins-dragonclaw> thanks, phyerboss
[07:58] <ins-dragonclaw> it* ^x2
[07:58] <embrapa> hello
[07:58] <abaldwin> I went into xorg.conf, and there had been no changes at all made, it was still configured for this monitor (an ancient generic Cybervision monitor)
[07:58] <embrapa> chijin: thanks
[07:58] <ins-dragonclaw> SuSE autodetected my monitor ... and when i rebooted to start it my screen gave (Frequency out of range)
[07:58] <abaldwin> Im unsure how to configure X for the new monitor
[07:58] <phyerboss> im still new to linux and so far each distro i tried worked fine with my monitor...just not the chipset;)
[07:59] <Hrontore> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12569/
[07:59] <ins-dragonclaw> !wiki
[07:59] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[07:59] <ins-dragonclaw> start there, abaldwin
[07:59] <phyerboss> so in your case, that might need the tender loving care of someone higher leveled
[07:59] <ins-dragonclaw> maybe someone's come across your problem before
[07:59] <abaldwin> one the kubu list, some folks had recommended an Acer when I asked about upgrading my monitor, so I did not anticipate any issues, unfortunately
[07:59] <abaldwin> Ill check out the wiki
[08:00] <ins-dragonclaw> my desktop is pretty
[08:00] <ins-dragonclaw> a screenshot of the KMatrix3D screensaver
[08:00] <ins-dragonclaw> ^^
[08:00] <abaldwin> a search on the wiki for Acer monitor gives no results
[08:00] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[08:00] <abaldwin> Ill visit Tio Google
[08:01] <ins-dragonclaw> odd
[08:01] <ins-dragonclaw> what distro do you have?
[08:01] <ins-dragonclaw> agh i mean version
[08:01] <embrapa> someone recomends me a software to install in kubuntu ?
[08:01] <yuan> sorry can someone give me a portuguese room
[08:01] <embrapa> yuan
[08:02] <embrapa> fala
[08:02] <yuan> alo
[08:02] <yuan> cmo posso instalar
[08:02] <neil> \
[08:02] <coty> what do i do with the generated copy of source.list
[08:02] <yuan> ja fix download
[08:02] <abaldwin> tambm falo portugus
[08:02] <embrapa> do q
[08:02] <yuan> mais agora para funcionar
[08:02] <yuan> kais sao os passos
[08:02] <embrapa> tem brasileiros ak
[08:02] <abaldwin> just for clarification,this is on Dapper, not that I expect that makes much of a difference
[08:02] <yuan> ou comandos
[08:03] <embrapa> oque vc baixou ?
[08:03] <binks_> hi can i just say my linux find of the day is kmediastudio for dvd authing its great
[08:03] <abaldwin> sou americano, mais, falo portugus (minha mulher  brasileira, e eu sou tradutor)
[08:03] <yuan> e o seguinte
[08:03] <yuan> eu instalei o linux
[08:03] <abaldwin> does anyone here have the same monitor?
[08:03] <yuan> so k o nao tava cmpleto e baxei todo
[08:03] <yuan> like
[08:03] <yuan> mp3 player
[08:04] <yuan> openoffice
[08:04] <binks_> abaldwin: what error you getting with your monitor
[08:04] <yuan> muitas coisas
[08:04] <yuan> entendes
[08:04] <yuan> no gerenciador adept
[08:04] <abaldwin> binks:  it just says input not supported, there are two vga chords inthe box, too, and I tried both with the same result (they appear to be slightly different)
[08:05] <embrapa> ja vem quase tudo instalado
[08:05] <abaldwin> it shows everything through the text portion of boot, it just goes blank and gives the message when X starts
[08:05] <yuan> ya
[08:05] <embrapa> yuan: qual pograma vc quer especificamente ?
[08:05] <yuan> mais o mp3
[08:05] <abaldwin> yuan, o que  o problema que tem?
[08:05] <yuan> leitor de mp3
[08:05] <yuan> nao le mp3 so audio
[08:06] <ins-dragonclaw> engles?
[08:06] <binks_> ok its to do with the refresh rate i think can you see the interweb on something else
[08:06] <ins-dragonclaw> exactly what language is that anyway?
[08:06] <abaldwin> ah, vc tem que baixar os libs para mp3, o que no esto instalado iniciamente, tem que adicionar os repos para universe ou multiverse
[08:07] <coty> what do i do with the sources.list?
[08:07] <abaldwin> I couldnt find in Xorg.conf anything about refresh rates, only possible resolutions
[08:07] <yuan> ixo do gerenciador adept
[08:07] <binks_> i do with i went to language classes at school
[08:07] <embrapa> yuan: sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs
[08:07] <binks_> wish^
[08:07] <coty> is there a place i save it
[08:08] <binks_> ok what graphics card you got
[08:08] <embrapa> yuan: ou vc baixa o pacote no site e executa sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[08:09] <binks_> is portugese not like spanish or do you guys hate each other like us english hate the french
[08:10] <embrapa> what binks_?
[08:10] <dromer> hi all, Im still having trouble with automount, no usb-drives are mounted when plugged in
[08:10] <abaldwin> do you suppose if I simply run dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xorg I should be able to get it going?
[08:10] <binks_> i thought the language was alike spanish and porugese
[08:11] <binks_> abaldwin: thats a good start
[08:11] <binks_> but spell it correct
[08:12] <jhutchins> binks_: Kinda like french vs. english, there are shared words and such, but the languages are distinct.  More different than say German and Dutch or Norwegian.
[08:12] <embrapa> yuan: esperto ter ajudado
[08:12] <binks_> embrapa: is the languages the same nearly spanish and portugese
[08:12] <embrapa> yuan: ate mais
[08:12] <BluesKaj> abaldwin, you may but it does depend on the graphics card drivers it seems , even if you choose a particlar setting it may not hold.
[08:12] <embrapa> binks_: its diferent
[08:12] <piotrek> moe mi kto powiedzie, gdzie ja sie znalazem?
[08:12] <binks_> embrapa: arr ok sorry i dont no portugese
[08:12] <abaldwin> spanish and portuguese are very similar, I speak both, and french, too
[08:12] <yuan> ya vou tentar
[08:13] <yuan> thankx  embrapa
[08:13] <binks_> i speak english and scottish
[08:13] <jhutchins> !pl piotrek
[08:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pl piotrek - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:13] <yuan> o problema e k ja vex download
[08:13] <embrapa> binks_: i can teach another time :D
[08:13] <binks_> embrapa: :)
[08:13] <jhutchins> !pl | piotrek
[08:13] <ubotu> piotrek: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[08:13] <dwidmann> What was that page to report problems with the new dist-upgrade tool again?
[08:13] <embrapa> !dns
[08:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:13] <BluesKaj> <---English, some french and a bit of swedish
[08:13] <yuan> e nao cnxigo por a funcionar ou melhor ativar
[08:13] <binks_> !bugs
[08:13] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[08:14] <yuan> no gerenciador adept
[08:14] <embrapa> yuan: eu tava com o mesmo problema seu
[08:14] <dromer> !automount
[08:14] <jhutchins> dwidmann: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <piotrek> somebody speaks polish here?
[08:14] <embrapa> yuan: eu so conseguir resolver rodando akele combando depoiis de baixar o extracodecs
[08:14] <yuan> e k fizeste
[08:14] <dromer> !mount
[08:14] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[08:14] <jhutchins> dwidmann: Stupid mouse.  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[08:14] <binks_> anyone no if there is a similar game to sims on linux for the kids to play
[08:14] <embrapa> yuan: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/
[08:14] <BluesKaj> !pl
[08:14] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[08:15] <dromer> !diskmounter
[08:15] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[08:15] <coty> it wont let me overwright the sources.list
[08:15] <embrapa> yuan: la tem tudo...falow
[08:15] <dwidmann> jhutchins:  no no no, that's not it .... I'm dealing with a different beast, feisty ... seems the new dist-upgrade tool didn't configure all of the packages before it cleaned up and rebooted o.O
[08:15] <yuan> thankx
[08:15] <ins-dragonclaw> coty - prefix everything with sudo
[08:15] <binks_> coty sudo
[08:15] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo kill -9 coty
[08:15] <ins-dragonclaw> :P
[08:15] <dromer> coty: are you sudo?
[08:15] <dwidmann> I just chrooted in and decided to play with apt and see what happened, seeing as it's giving m e a kernel panic ...
[08:15] <jhutchins> dwidmann: It's on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[08:15] <ins-dragonclaw> no, coty is coty
[08:15] <binks_> !simms
[08:15] <jhutchins> dwidmann: Also see #ubuntu+1
[08:15] <coty> hmm
[08:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about simms - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:15] <dwidmann> lo and behold -
[08:15] <dwidmann> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:15] <dwidmann>  linux-image-2.6.20-13-generic
[08:15] <dwidmann>  konq-kim
[08:15] <dwidmann>  linux-image-generic
[08:15] <ins-dragonclaw> !sims
[08:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sims - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:15] <dromer> !umount
[08:15] <dwidmann> there's my kernel panic on line 4
[08:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about umount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:16] <dromer> gah
[08:16] <binks_> arr well
[08:16] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[08:16] <coty> what do i put in
[08:16] <dwidmann> #ubuntu+1 is about as lively as a basement
[08:16] <coty> sudo what
[08:16] <dromer> anybody here with automount experience? (eg: fixing it :/ )
[08:16] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo <the rest of the command>
[08:16] <binks_> sudo kate then nav to sources.list
[08:16] <strog_> hi peeps
[08:16] <strog_> wanted to know how to get the matrix screensaver for ubuntu
[08:17] <strog_> it is usually installed normally in debian
[08:17] <coty> what command
[08:17] <coty> could someone wright it out
[08:17] <coty> sudo what
[08:17] <coty> i know sudo
[08:17] <coty> but what after it
[08:18] <dromer> coty: after sudo, do the normal command to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <coty> i did
[08:18] <dromer> which is ..
[08:18] <coty> it gave an error
[08:18] <BluesKaj> coty, sudo kate  /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <dromer> what do you type and what is the error? (no flooding!)
[08:18] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[08:18] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <binks_> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:19] <ins-dragonclaw> or kdesu if you're a purist
[08:19] <binks_> sudo vi  /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:19] <ins-dragonclaw> or sudo vi if you're suicidal
[08:19] <strog_> lol
[08:19] <binks_> vi is loverly but maybe not for him/her
[08:19] <BluesKaj> kdesu in the runbox
[08:20] <ins-dragonclaw> him
[08:20] <ins-dragonclaw> i hope
[08:20] <ins-dragonclaw> :p
[08:20] <ins-dragonclaw> i only use vi if i need to read a file in a hurry
[08:20] <ins-dragonclaw> i used nano for editing once, but i prefer kate
[08:21] <coty> wow
[08:21] <strog_> vi is sweeeet
[08:21] <dromer> ins-dragonclaw: wather have vim :P
[08:21] <coty> i just relized that everything is installed on my computer
[08:21] <ins-dragonclaw> heh
[08:21] <dromer> rather*
[08:21] <SlackRat> evening folks......my adept notification doesnt run and im wondering what command i need to restart it so i get a notification in the taskbar...............
[08:21] <ins-dragonclaw> i should learn it at some point
[08:21] <BluesKaj> kate works , most of the time ...sometimes it takes 3 trys ...dunno why but it does :(
[08:21] <ins-dragonclaw> works flawlessly for me
[08:21] <ins-dragonclaw> what i love most is the session feature
[08:21] <ins-dragonclaw> for every multi-chapter story i have, i have a session file for it
[08:22] <Remo_A> hi all, I can't find the kfontview in all the official Edgy Eft repos, what happend to that package?
[08:22] <ins-dragonclaw> reduces the scatter-brain factor
[08:22] <SlackRat> dragonclaw, theres a vimtutor in vim, for guided lessons
[08:22] <dromer> so, does nobody know how to 'activate' (not working atm) automount?
[08:22] <BluesKaj> well bully for you ins-dragonclaw , perhaps you suggest to me why mine doesn't :)?
[08:22] <ins-dragonclaw> well ... >.> i don't want to go there...
[08:22] <ins-dragonclaw> XD
[08:22] <binks_> BluesKaj: now now
[08:22] <strog_> wanted to know how to get the matrix screensaver
[08:23] <binks_> !screensaver
[08:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screensaver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:23] <BluesKaj> how now, binks_ :)
[08:23] <binks_> !screen saver
[08:23] <ins-dragonclaw> strog_: lol
[08:23] <ubotu> screen: a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0.2-4.1ubuntu5.6.10 (edgy), package size 570 kB, installed size 976 kB
[08:23] <SlackRat> anyone know the command, something like adept_notifier that will get the notification icon to show up when there are updates? google is useless on the point
[08:23] <ins-dragonclaw> haha
[08:23] <ins-dragonclaw> okay
[08:23] <ins-dragonclaw> the kmatrix3d is somewhere at kde-look.org
[08:23] <ins-dragonclaw> i thin
[08:23] <ins-dragonclaw> k*
[08:24] <Remo_A> ah, I get it
[08:24] <ins-dragonclaw> google knows my name ... O.o9
[08:24] <SlackRat> bleh, google has my name for twenty three pages.................i hate celebrity.... :-P
[08:25] <Remo_A> ins-dragonclaw: if I google my name, my homepage is the first entry :)
[08:25] <inteliwasp> is there a page that has changelogs for updates released in the repositories?
[08:25] <ins-dragonclaw> my website is mine
[08:25] <binks_> dont even try binks in google lol
[08:25] <ins-dragonclaw> then a bunch of forum posts
[08:25] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:26] <SlackRat> adept doesnt even have a man page? bleh
[08:26] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[08:26] <Remo_A> SlackRat: what for?
[08:26] <SlackRat> for information?
[08:27] <Remo_A> what do you want to achieve?
[08:27] <SlackRat> like getting my icon to show up again, when there are updates?
[08:27] <ins-dragonclaw> ins-dragonclaw@Draken:~$ man adept
[08:27] <ins-dragonclaw> No manual entry for adept
[08:27] <ins-dragonclaw> O.O
[08:27] <SlackRat> adept is the wallmart version of synaptic......heh
[08:27] <Remo_A> SlackRat: adept is just a bit more than an interface
[08:27] <Remo_A> for apt-get
[08:27] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:27] <ins-dragonclaw> i use apt-get
[08:27] <ins-dragonclaw> and aptitiude, sometimes
[08:27] <SlackRat> barely a bit more
[08:27] <ins-dragonclaw> adept keeps crashing on me =(
[08:27] <binks_> i only use adept if i dont no name of package
[08:28] <SlackRat> ins-dragonclaw: kick it to death
[08:28] <SlackRat> i only use the new update icon...which doesnt show up anymore
[08:28] <yuan> k faco agora para faxer download
[08:28] <yuan> ja tou no site
[08:28] <Remo_A> I don't no a lot, most of the time I yes around
[08:28] <SlackRat> and theres a simple two or three word command to restart it, which i forgot
[08:28] <yuan>  do k eu kixer
[08:28] <SlackRat> which would be on a man page, if adept had one
[08:29] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:29] <ins-dragonclaw> !adept crash fix
[08:29] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:29] <ins-dragonclaw> ubotu actually knows this.. O.o
[08:29] <dromer> ok, I'm trying to configure myth-tv, but I can't make a mysql database, when doing $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database  I don't know what account/pw to enter (to make the database)
[08:29] <SlackRat> it isnt crashed, it just lost its update notification.........its running otherwise, but never told me there were 24 upgrades
[08:30] <Remo_A> how slow can a server be: http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~luc/freefonts3.html
[08:30] <Remo_A> incredible
[08:30] <ins-dragonclaw> Remo_A: standstill slow
[08:30] <ins-dragonclaw> irc.linuxlinks.com
[08:30] <ins-dragonclaw> froze
[08:30] <ins-dragonclaw> while connecting
[08:30] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[08:30] <Remo_A> n1 *g
[08:30] <Remo_A> it's a very bad moment, see, that page contains links to fonts, and I'm looking for a font starting with Z
[08:31] <Remo_A> so the page is at roughly 12% and still at the letter B...
[08:31] <binks_> !myth
[08:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:31] <binks_> !mythtv
[08:31] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[08:31] <SlackRat> a slow server is gods way of saying you should make a cup of coffee
[08:32] <binks_> SlackRat: mines tea no sugar plz
[08:32] <SlackRat> heh
[08:32] <david> Hi
[08:32] <richb> Hey all.
[08:32] <binks_> david: hi m8
[08:32] <Remo_A> SlackRat: that would explain the huge profit of coffee producers
[08:33] <SlackRat> among other things, lol
[08:33] <binks_> Remo_A: you sugesting coffe omps slowing servers down
[08:33] <binks_> companys
[08:34] <Remo_A> binks_: someone's always the bad guys
[08:35] <binks_> looooooool righty need to get kids in bath then gonna watch smokin aces later all
[08:35] <Remo_A> in the end hi wins with a full house
[08:35] <ins-dragonclaw> Remo_A: true
[08:35] <binks_> kids not watchin smokin aces btw
[08:35] <ins-dragonclaw> but M$ is selfish in this regards
[08:36] <Remo_A> just kidding, haven't seen the movie
[08:36] <ins-dragonclaw> they always take the badguy role :|
[08:36] <yuan> alguem da me a sala ubuntu da lingua portuguesa plz
[08:36] <ins-dragonclaw> !pt
[08:36] <BluesKaj> !pt
[08:36] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[08:36] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[08:36] <Remo_A> while I'm waiting, has anyone got SheerBeauty.ttf? :)
[08:37] <ins-dragonclaw> not mee... *hides*
[08:38] <yuan> tankx
[08:38] <yuan> thankx
[08:39] <Remo_A> "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"... they should use something new there, like:" if you read this, you're stupid"
[08:40] <SlackRat> they use that for a reason
[08:40] <ins-dragonclaw> haha
[08:40] <ins-dragonclaw> that line has all 26 letters in the alphabet
[08:40] <ins-dragonclaw> go on, count them :)
[08:40] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Ooh!  Sounds good!
[08:40] <Remo_A> so it's an acronym for abcdef...xyz? nice!
[08:40] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah
[08:41] <ins-dragonclaw> one that's nicer to read, too
[08:41] <jhutchins> or qwertyuiop...
[08:41] <BluesKaj> geez, sorry jhutchins, all gone :)
[08:41] <ins-dragonclaw> o.O
[08:41] <SlackRat> there is no acronym for the alphabet, an acronoym would be letters standing for words...... :-P
[08:41] <ubuntu_> hello all
[08:41] <SlackRat> its an anagram of the alphabet
[08:41] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: That's ok, I can put perogies on the shopping list.
[08:42] <ins-dragonclaw> that's the word
[08:42] <SlackRat> hhe
[08:42] <SlackRat> heh
[08:42] <ins-dragonclaw> llo
[08:42] <ins-dragonclaw> lol*
[08:42] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[08:42] <ubuntu_> Can someone help me?
[08:42] <jhutchins> SlackRat: The abc's is  an acronym for the alphabet.
[08:42] <SlackRat> true
[08:42] <Remo_A> ins-dragonclaw: I like the image of a fox jumping over a dog, guess he doesn't know that he's the star on every computer ;)
[08:42] <ins-dragonclaw> LOL
[08:43] <jhutchins> Foxhunting persists in the language.
[08:43] <ins-dragonclaw> The quick green Konqui jumps over the lazy Microsoft ... no, that doesn't work :\
[08:44] <SlackRat> i dont see this simple command anywhere....bleh
[08:44] <Remo_A> I wrote acronym to find out, how many people already fell asleep in here.
[08:44] <ins-dragonclaw> <--
[08:44] <BluesKaj> i heard it mentioned that the phrse also has an even number of consonants vs vowels ...dunno for sure din't count 'em
[08:46] <harmental> has anyone experiendo low speed problems with Feisty Beta....or its just that my proc is damn hot?
[08:47] <everble> whats up peeps?  Can anyone tell how to update the kernel or is it done automatically?
[08:48] <jhutchins> harmental: Dunno, this is still Edgy here.  You want #ubuntu+1
[08:48] <dwidmann> ins-dragonclaw: well, konqui could jump over the lazy window?
[08:48] <ins-dragonclaw> no not that. that line doesn't have all 26 letters
[08:48] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Think about it. 7.5 vowels, 26 letters.  The rest must be consonnants.
[08:49] <ins-dragonclaw> I need a D
[08:49] <SlackRat> bleh, the fan on this PSU is going, time to shut down and move to laptop......btw, the command was adept_notifier......in case your adept stops telling you about updates, heh
[08:49] <Baget> i have problem with V4L
[08:49] <Baget> can someone help me?
[08:49] <everble> Can anyone tell how to update the kernel or is it done automatically?
[08:50] <ins-dragonclaw> jhutchins: hth do you get .5 vowels?
[08:50] <SlackRat> later peeps
[08:50] <gdiebel> Baget: ask the question, do not ask to ask a question
[08:50] <Baget> ok
[08:50] <Baget> i'm using RivaTV driver in whice application can i test the Video In?
[08:50] <gdiebel> everble: automatically when using apt
[08:51] <everble> gdiebel, how do i know what version i have?
[08:51] <gdiebel> Baget: sudo apt-get install kdetv
[08:52] <gdiebel> everble: uname -a
[08:53] <everble> gdiebel, thanks.  The kernel version is now 2.6.20.  I have 2.6.17.  How do i update the kernel?
[08:55] <RavenTux> everble: you could try here works for me http://timia.net/agios/index.php?page=UbuntuKernel
[08:55] <gdiebel> everble: if you are using edgy 2.6.17 is the latest available
[08:55] <RavenTux> Linux kubuntu 2.6.21-rc4 #1 SMP Thu Mar 22 16:49:10 EDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:56] <dwidmann> Okay, this is cute. Anyone around know much about working in a chroot? I can't get DNS resolution working (I only need it for a few minutes), but letsay, I ping 216.239.37.104(google) it'll work fine ...
[08:56] <raffytaffy> uname[Linux Equinox 2.6.20.3 #1 Wed Mar 21 13:28:59 EDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux] 
[08:56] <raffytaffy> RavenTux: how is the vmi and kvm working on that one
[08:56] <eilker> do we have alternative of  " ntpdate " package ?
[08:57] <gdiebel> upgrading your kernel to a more recent one than your distro distributes is not wise unless you _really_ know what you are doing
[08:57] <RavenTux> raffytaffy: Don't know I don't use them
[08:57] <raffytaffy> and btw gdiebel: the standard buntu kernels drag and lag real bad on this laptop
[08:59] <dwidmann> alright, can someone here with a functional system run "dpkg -S resolv.conf" and tell me what package has it?
[08:59] <RavenTux> bbl ... putting the beta version on this computer
[08:59] <richb> dwidmann: it will be part of base probably.
[08:59] <dwidmann> I don't want a probably though, I want an answer :\
[09:00] <firecrotch> dwidmann: Just returns the location of the manpage for it for me
[09:00] <gdiebel> it is part of base
[09:00] <richb> working DNS normally is.
[09:00] <fernando_> hola
[09:00] <richb> jut do:nameserver someip > /etc/resolv.conf
[09:01] <richb> *echo
[09:01] <raffytaffy> gdiebel: if one dosent break a few things along the way..how is one to learn?
[09:01] <fernando_> hi
[09:01] <firecrotch> hi fernando_
[09:01] <dwidmann> I'm wondering because the file doesn't exist, I'm working with a somewhat broken setup :\
[09:02] <fernando_> i'm new in linux
[09:02] <richb> dwidmann:  create it and see if it works.
[09:02] <fernando_> and i'm trying to configure the printer
[09:02] <fernando_> is hp 690c
[09:02] <fernando_> how i must do?
[09:02] <gdiebel> raffytaffy: I agree mostly (i used to use gentoo) but most people do not want to break things, they just have a misunderstanding that getting the latest kernel will make the system work a lot faster. that is not usually the cas
[09:02] <gdiebel> s/cas/case
[09:03] <fernando_> any link to help me?
[09:03] <raffytaffy> it is for me actually gdiebel
[09:04] <raffytaffy> i have to adjust alot of the settings to get the most out of this laptop
[09:04] <gdiebel> raffytaffy: such as?
[09:04] <dwidmann> richb, seems it does exist now that I played with something else, but still isn't working properly :\
[09:05] <dwidmann> (it's a linked file within a chroot at the moment)
[09:05] <raffytaffy> timing to 1000 / pick pentium M/ get rid of all the stuff i dont need / set to high mem
[09:05] <raffytaffy> stuf like that
[09:05] <richb> dwidmann: does it have the IP's of your nameservers?
[09:05] <dwidmann> yeah
[09:05] <BluesKaj> fernando, sys/settings/printers.. run the add printer wizard
[09:05] <raffytaffy> turn of smp
[09:05] <fernando_> okk, thanks
[09:05] <richb> dwidmann: it should be:nameserver ip
[09:05] <fernando_> ;)
[09:05] <dwidmann> the host and dig commmands still fail me though, so something's obviously astray
[09:06] <dwidmann> ricbh, yeah, nameserver 66.82.4.8
[09:07] <richb> hmm
[09:07] <raffytaffy> i use cfq scheduler instead of the default one
[09:07] <dwidmann> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2007-03-28 00:14 resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
[09:07] <ins-dragonclaw> this is cool
[09:07] <ins-dragonclaw> telnet integrated into konsole
[09:08] <richb> and you can ping but not resolve, yep?
[09:08] <dwidmann> right
[09:09] <richb> dwidmann: your not firewalled or anything like that?
[09:09] <dwidmann> nah, it's working fine in the live environment, just not in the chroot, otherwise we wouldn't be talking right now
[09:09] <dwidmann> ooh
[09:09] <richb> hmm, to be hones I have to return ENOCLUE then.
[09:10] <richb> *honest
[09:10] <dwidmann> after some fuxing around, I've done it, I deleted /etc/resolvconf/run, mkdired it, and remade the run/resolv.conf file
[09:10] <dwidmann> success
[09:10] <richb> All's well that ends well then.
[09:11] <dwidmann> Now just to get this majorly broken feisty install into working order :)
[09:11] <dwidmann> Looks like a 40mb download or so
[09:11] <richb> I am just going to go install Kubuntu for the first time.
[09:12] <anon32> say, the release of openoffice.org 2.2 is gonna happen pretty soon, there any plans to include it in feisty? or are we gonna get the short end again?
[09:12] <dwidmann> and after I get this thing going  again I guess I have a bug to report against that new dist-upgrade tool eh?
[09:12] <gdiebel> richb: you mean as opposed to using ubuntu as install?
[09:13] <richb> gdiebel: Ahh this box is FreebSD stable atm.
[09:14] <iltomee> hi, plz tell me the bash command to get argument number 2, but not the $2 way. Googled it, but cannot find it
[09:14] <richb> I need more green tea first though.
[09:14] <iltomee> there is argv something
[09:16] <richb> Right, have tea going to go install, bbiab.
[09:17] <iltomee> How can i get argument number2 in a bash script? I know... $2, but there also is another command like, argv[2] , or something
[09:18] <gdiebel> iltomee: thought argv was just for awk
[09:19] <billy> help! i'm at my wits end.  I've spent like 4 hours trying to get a DVD to play in kubuntu, installed various css libraries and players, nothing works! has anyone ever successfully played a DVD in kubuntu? is it possible?
[09:19] <markelhas> hi, i need help to reset my screen config, i've boot my kubuntu but now i've big letters and can't recive it
[09:19] <dwidmann> I've successfully played plenty billy
[09:19] <billy> how do you do it?
[09:19] <iltomee> gdiebel: there is a command like that for bash i think... anyways i have indeffinit number of arguments, how do i get them then?
[09:20] <markelhas> something is wrong maybe with my graphical drivers
[09:20] <markelhas> can any one help me to restore them!?
[09:20] <billy> i've tried installing libdvdcss2 and libdvdread3, i still get the same error from kaffiene
[09:20] <anon32> !dvd
[09:20] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:20] <anon32> ...
[09:20] <dwidmann> Hmm, from caffeine eh?
[09:21] <ins-dragonclaw> caffeine is good for you ... XD
[09:21] <markelhas> how can't i restore my screen setting!? anyone!?
[09:21] <dwidmann> caffeine ... how would I live without it ins-dragonclaw?
[09:21] <ins-dragonclaw> you DO know that tea has more caffeine than coffee, right? :D
[09:21] <dwidmann> billy, have you tried playing it with a different player? Perhaps vlc, or mplayer?
[09:22] <dwidmann> ins-dragonclaw: oh goody, because I drink more tea than [insert other caffeinated beverage here] 
[09:22] <billy> i've already tried doing what those pages say. after installing libdvdread3 the script mentioned on that page (/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh) does not exist.  the directory doesn't even exist
[09:22] <dwidmann> coffee upsets my stomach :(
[09:22] <markelhas> how can't i restore my screen setting!? anyone!?
[09:22] <dwidmann> (at least in the amounts I knock it back in)
[09:23] <billy> i've tried "Movie Player" and "gxine" and those don't work either :(
[09:23] <ins-dragonclaw> dwidmann: [ Red Bull ] 
[09:23] <anon32> billy, http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/deb/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_i386.deb
[09:23] <ins-dragonclaw> since you wanted an answer :)
[09:23] <markelhas> how can i now witch graphical card i have in kubuntu?
[09:23] <billy> i will try mplayer now
[09:23] <dwidmann> I'd rather drink my own vomit than red bull. Red bull disgusts me.
[09:23] <ins-dragonclaw> O.O
[09:23] <The_Machine> dwidmann: heh
[09:23] <The_Machine> :)
[09:23] <anon32> markelhas, the device list.....
[09:23] <The_Machine> that's pretty gross.
[09:23] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah
[09:24] <markelhas> anon32: how!
[09:24] <ins-dragonclaw> but at least your vomit is safe\
[09:24] <anon32> markelhas, or, just open up your own box and take a look - what a thought?
[09:24] <dwidmann> hahaha
[09:24] <ins-dragonclaw> i mean, it's been cleaned and processed already :)
[09:24] <dwidmann> at least I didn't say I would drink YOUR vomit
[09:24] <ins-dragonclaw> heh
[09:24] <ins-dragonclaw> mine's clean too... but that's somewhere we shouldn't go
[09:24] <ins-dragonclaw> we're techsupport, not medical support...
[09:24] <ins-dragonclaw> or mental support but ANYWAY
[09:24] <ins-dragonclaw> moving on
[09:24] <markelhas> anon32: hummm, i know it a nvidia on board, but i need to know witch one
[09:25] <dwidmann> billy, run "dpkg -l | grep dvdcss"
[09:25] <markelhas> anon32: can i checek it via console!
[09:25] <gdiebel> markelhas: try 'lspci'
[09:25] <anon32> markelhas, why exactly? if it's for driver issues, <5000 = legacy, 5000+ = current
[09:25] <markelhas> anon32: my screen setting are totaly crazy big big
[09:26] <anon32> markelhas, ah
[09:26] <markelhas> anon32: less resolusion that i can have
[09:26] <billy> dwidmann ii  libdvdcss2                                 1.2.9-2medibuntu2+build1
[09:26] <markelhas> anon32: i boot my kubuntu and then pufff
[09:26] <dwidmann> Ah, yep, it's installed fine then
[09:27] <aaroncampbell> Where exactly can I check to see if my card is supported by nvidia-glx?
[09:27] <The_Machine> I can't delete from or write to an external USB HDD i have plugged into my kubuntu box.  Little help?
[09:27] <dwidmann> billy, try to play back a dvd with a different player, like ogle, mplayer, vlc ....etc
[09:27] <markelhas> anon32: now i can't change it, because the max value is to low...
[09:27] <anon32> hmmm
[09:27] <markelhas> anon32: i think its a driver problem
[09:27] <dwidmann> aaroncampbell: the nvidia website
[09:27] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[09:28] <dwidmann> aaroncampbell: which driver were you using with it again? You said you have an 8800 right? bleeeeeddddddding edge stuff ... I'm not sure how well it's supported
[09:28] <anon32> markelhas, get the new driver?
[09:28] <markelhas> anon32: i don't now how
[09:28] <ins-dragonclaw> guys
[09:28] <anon32> markelhas, nvidia.com
[09:28] <ins-dragonclaw> The file upload process has failed. Please try again. If the error repeats, please email the file in question to site support.
[09:28] <ins-dragonclaw> Error Message: We have detected a virus in the file you are attempting to upload. Please upgrade your security software and perform a system scan as soon as possible.
[09:28] <ins-dragonclaw> WTF IS THAT
[09:28] <aaroncampbell> 8800gts and I have Version: 1.0.9755+2.6.20.4-13.12
[09:28] <dwidmann> bee-are-bee
[09:28] <markelhas> anon32: hummm nop
[09:28] <billy> dwidmann mplayer doesn't work : Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[09:29] <aaroncampbell> dwidmann: that was for you...sorry
[09:29] <dwidmann> billy, try using "-vo xv" switch on the command line when running mplayer
[09:29] <markelhas> anon32: but i going to check it, think not windozzzz, new driver and set to go
[09:29] <dwidmann> any rate, I'm going to reboot and hope I've fixed my feisty issues ...
[09:29] <anon32> markelhas, you know, nvidia.com has linux drivers
[09:29] <eagles0513875> woot i just repartitioned my entire hard drive with swap and this partition lol
[09:30] <eagles0513875> no more windows
[09:30] <phyerboss> hey, there seems to be an issue getting flash and java to install in kubuntu
[09:30] <phyerboss> anyone else having this issue?
[09:30] <phyerboss> i tried adept get, going through the browser's updaters and the sites...i cannot get flash or java to install whatsoever
[09:31] <anon32> guys, wish me luck - I'm gonna try a feisty dist-upgrade :-)
[09:31] <groogs[h] > phyerboss: i used automatix, it was quite simple
[09:31] <billy> dwidmann how do i play a dvd from the command line with mplayer?
[09:31] <dwidmann> mplayer -vo xv dvd://
[09:31] <phyerboss> is that really safe to use?...I thought it screwed up systems and made it hard to update your system?
[09:32] <The_Machine> When i try to delete something on the External USB HDD it says:  cannot remove `file': Read-only file system
[09:32] <The_Machine> how do i make the file system not read only?
[09:32] <groogs[h] > anyone have a recommendation on a way to browse ssh (fish:// urls) with a tree view? Konqurer can browse them, but the tree view doesn't update to show the remote system
[09:32] <The_Machine> :)
[09:32] <ubuntu_> hey guys is that possible to install kubuntu in a pc with windows and only one hd ?
[09:32] <The_Machine> ubuntu - sure
[09:32] <The_Machine> just partition it out
[09:32] <Rdw-BR> i tryied to do it with the liveCD
[09:32] <The_Machine> so you have a Windows partition, linux partition, swap partitions..
[09:32] <Rdw-BR> actually using it right now
[09:33] <Rdw-BR> but i cant resize windows partition by the cd
[09:33] <billy> hey, dwidmann, it worked!!!!!
[09:33] <phyerboss> come think of it, how do i even install software thats outside of the adept manager listings
[09:33] <phyerboss> ?
[09:33] <Rdw-BR> The_Machine: do you have any idea
[09:33] <The_Machine> well
[09:33] <The_Machine> can you start over / format?
[09:34] <billy> thanks!
[09:34] <The_Machine> if so, create two partitions, one ext3, one swap
[09:34] <The_Machine> leave the rest open
[09:34] <Rdw-BR> Didnt want format... wanted to resize the partition... =/
[09:34] <The_Machine> oh..
[09:34] <The_Machine> use partition magic or the OS equivalent
[09:34] <The_Machine> not sure what that would be
[09:34] <Rdw-BR> Prolly partition magic, using winxp
[09:35] <The_Machine> you could type "partition magic linux" into google
[09:35] <groogs[h] > i think the installer will actually let you resize it
[09:35] <aaroncampbell> I have a strange problem.  In Firefox, I can get ubuntuforums.org, but not google.com.  However, in konqueror I can get both.
[09:35] <The_Machine> see what comes up
[09:35] <groogs[h] > but if you're using NTFS, i dunno if i would trust it, the ntfs write drivers are still somewhat experimental afaik
[09:35] <Rdw-BR> The_Machine: hehe prolly someone telling me to buy partition magic and stuff... guess im gonna get an old hd here and try install it
[09:35] <The_Machine> they'r eactually pretty good
[09:36] <The_Machine> Rdw-BR: you don't have to buy partition magic
[09:36] <The_Machine> there are Open equivalents
[09:36] <miguel> hi...i just installed feisty but there is something wrong with my konqueror...something like "could not connect to host"
[09:36] <The_Machine> i'm sure there are.
[09:36] <The_Machine> bbiam
[09:36] <Rdw-BR> The_Machine: gonna check it out...
[09:36] <phyerboss> anyone else in regards to getting flash and java to install?
[09:37] <ins-dragonclaw> hello phyerboss
[09:37] <ins-dragonclaw> we keep missing eachother ... lol
[09:37] <phyerboss> hahaha
[09:37] <phyerboss> yeah
[09:37] <phyerboss> i went downstairs to cook something
[09:37] <Rdw-BR> The_Machine: thanks for the help, gonna check it out
[09:37] <Rdw-BR> cya later
[09:37] <ins-dragonclaw> ooh nice
[09:38] <ins-dragonclaw> me <3 food... :P
[09:38] <aaroncampbell> is this the list of the cards that nvidia-glx supports: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html (clicked "supported products" on http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html )
[09:39] <anon32> anyone here using feisty?
[09:39] <aaroncampbell> yes
[09:39] <ins-dragonclaw> does ANYONE know any good .rtf editors apart from OOo ?
[09:39] <anon32> aaroncampbell, any issues?
[09:39] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, abiword? koffice?
[09:39] <ins-dragonclaw> abiword... i don't know if i have that
[09:39] <ins-dragonclaw> !automatix
[09:39] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:40] <dwidmann> ins-dragonclaw: can kword handle them? I can't rmeember
[09:40] <ins-dragonclaw> no, abiword can
[09:40] <aaroncampbell> anon32: just that nvidia-glx doesn't seem to support my card
[09:40] <ins-dragonclaw> I had the winblows version on my ubuntu cd
[09:40] <anon32> where's my k3b 1.0? it was released ages ago and there's still no backport/umr unfreeze
[09:41] <dwidmann> ah, yes it can
[09:41] <ins-dragonclaw> krap -- it's GTK
[09:41] <dwidmann> kword can handle rtf without a problem :D
[09:41] <anon32> k3b 1.0 infinitely better than 0.12.17....
[09:41] <anon32> ins-dragonclaw, koffice then
[09:41] <The_Machine> When i try to delete something on the External USB HDD it says:  cannot remove `file': Read-only file system - how can i make the file system not Read Only?  :)
[09:41] <htedrom> hey all....anyone using amarok-gstreamer with edgy eft?
[09:41] <anon32> The_Machine, mount it with umask=000
[09:41] <dwidmann> anon32: , well, feisty is in beta freeze now, it probably won't get in unless we all get really lucky
[09:41] <htedrom> is that even possible
[09:41] <The_Machine> it automatically mounts..
[09:41] <htedrom> ?
[09:41] <The_Machine> hmmmmm
[09:41] <anon32> htedrom, there's an amarok-gstreamer?
[09:41] <anon32> dwidmann, god that sucks.....
[09:42] <htedrom> Anakin: for breezy, yea
[09:42] <htedrom> oops
[09:42] <htedrom> anon32: for breezy, yea
[09:42] <htedrom> but i can't find one for edgy
[09:42] <anon32> that's because it got the axe
[09:42] <htedrom> what
[09:42] <htedrom> why!
[09:42] <htedrom> xine is so sluggish
[09:42] <anon32> who needs amarok-gstreamer? xine is better than gstreamer.....
[09:42] <iltomee> hi, Let n be a variable that stores a number, how can i get argument number n in a bash script?? Anyone?
[09:42] <anon32> gstreamer is the epitimy of sucking
[09:42] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:43] <Yorokobi> iltomee, getops
[09:43] <htedrom> my xine sucks pretty bad
[09:43] <anon32> my xine works :-)
[09:43] <htedrom> amarok has a heart attack every time i change songs
[09:43] <dwidmann> anon32: gstreamer is the new up-and-coming one it seems
[09:43] <anon32> gstreamer always failed it whenever I tried it
[09:43] <eagles0513875> j/w r they goign to add a wizard to help config wifi
[09:43] <eagles0513875> like they have in mandriva and pclinuxos
[09:43] <jhutchins> htedrom: Ask on #amarok, it may have been renamed or something.
[09:43] <anon32> but maybe I'm behind - not tried gstreamer 0.10 yet
[09:43] <htedrom> jhutchins: thanks
[09:43] <anon32> htedrom, basically, for edgy, amarok was compiled without all the other engines, don't ask me why
[09:44] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, network-manager. Works like a charm
[09:44] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: There's a wizard in mandriva?
[09:44] <anon32> they compiled vlc without -V fb...
[09:44] <jhutchins> kwifimanager helps with roaming.
[09:45] <htedrom> anon32: hmm thanks
[09:45] <anon32> :-(
[09:45] <anon32> file a bug to get it fixed?
[09:45] <anon32> or use rythmbox :-)
[09:45] <htedrom> mm yea well i might switch to exaile
[09:45] <dwidmann> looks like I'll need to recompile k3b yet :\
[09:45] <htedrom> but amarok is just such a looker
[09:45] <anon32> "fetching file 100 of 1075 at 64.1kb/s" - this could take a while...
[09:46] <ins-dragonclaw> haha
[09:46] <Yorokobi> amarok-xine works great for me
[09:46] <Yorokobi> Of course, I'm using jriddell's 1.45 build
[09:46] <Yorokobi> of amarok
[09:46] <anon32> GAH, the upgrade manager can't be stopped????? EVIL!
[09:47] <htedrom> Yorokobi: of xine or amarok?
[09:47] <The_Machine> anon32: how do i mount a USB HDD that automatically mounts with umask=000?
[09:47] <The_Machine> :)
[09:47] <anon32> The_Machine, dunno, something with fstab
[09:47] <htedrom> Yorokobi: think it will fix my woes... amarok really chokes up whenever i change songs
[09:47] <The_Machine> k
[09:47] <htedrom> Yorokobi: or stop, or play, or anything.
[09:48] <ins-dragonclaw> anon32: yes you can stop it
[09:48] <Yorokobi> htedrom, amarok 1.45
[09:48] <ins-dragonclaw> it's called the Big Red Power Button XD
[09:48] <Yorokobi> htedrom, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.5.php
[09:49] <anon32> The_Machine, if you know the UUID of the disk partition, you can put in something like 'UUID=foo /mnt/bar ext3 umask=000
[09:49] <anon32> and if you have an ntfs USB HDD, you deserve to be shot
[09:50] <n1ywb> I installed kubuntu by booting the alt ISO in vmware in windows (don't ask why) and installed sucessfully (except for LILO, I hand configured grub) onto an LVM LV on my /dev/hda3 partition
[09:50] <dwidmann> anon32? which upgrade manager?
[09:50] <aaroncampbell> is this the list of the cards that nvidia-glx supports: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html (clicked "supported products" on http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html )
[09:50] <anon32> dwidmann, the Ubuntu one :-\
[09:50] <n1ywb> Now when I boot on the physical hardware, it seems to thing my disk is a SCSI disk
[09:51] <anon32> dunno, seems like I can't stop a dist-upgrade
[09:51] <dwidmann> anon32: the new one?
[09:51] <anon32> new?
[09:51] <n1ywb> I don't have /dev/hda, just /dev/hda. I don't actually have a scsi controller in here and my drive is not SATA, it's PATA100
[09:51] <n1ywb> any ideas?
[09:51] <osh_> security.ubuntu.com hammered and down?
[09:51] <dwidmann> just quit the process, and then go into the process list and kill python
[09:51] <anon32> Ubuntu's mirrors die too often....
[09:52] <anon32> dwidmann, yeah, I figured that - although it leaves my sources.list in borkage mode
[09:52] <osh_> anon32: seems to be the case now
[09:52] <dwidmann> before you go to resume it, remove the "archive.ubuntu.com" entry that it added near the bottom
[09:52] <dwidmann> I've only been able to get the gb.archive.ubuntu.com mirror to work lately
[09:53] <anon32> dwidmann, ah well, time to risk all with a feisty upgradd
[09:53] <n1ywb> is there a hardware detection tool like kudzu or something that I should run? or some special kernel argument I should pass?
[09:53] <anon32> w00t for suicidal mode@
[09:53] <SeanTater3> Is there a way to traceroute or nmap from an Ubuntu live cd?
[09:53] <anon32> think I cleaned out most my unsupported components, but who knows?
[09:53] <The_Machine> i deserve to be shot?
[09:53] <The_Machine> heh
[09:53] <The_Machine> perhaps.
[09:53] <anon32> The_Machine, yeah, reformat your USB HDD, ext3
[09:53] <osh_> SeanTater3: apt-get it?
[09:53] <anon32> or ext2
[09:53] <anon32> or even fat32, but not NTFS
[09:54] <dwidmann> anon32: be careful before you reboot that things such as the kernel are installed, do so by typing in "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" before you let it reboot
[09:54] <anon32> dwidmann, yeah... lol
[09:54] <dwidmann> Otherwise you'll have to chroot in to fix things, and take my word for how messy that is :(
[09:54] <SeanTater3> osh_: okay -- did not know that would work on a live cd
[09:55] <ins-dragonclaw> ahahaha
[09:55] <ins-dragonclaw> I love konqueror
[09:55] <anon32> dwidmann, I look forward to fakeraid support in the kernel and xorg 7.2 :-\
[09:55] <anon32> but maybe it won't work and I'll fail it
[09:55] <osh_> SeanTater3: It does. Don't upgrade though. It probably won't fit and won't survive the reboot (if new kernel)
[09:55] <SeanTater3> osh_: thanks
[09:55] <ins-dragonclaw> fictionpress thinks i'm using firefox 1.7.4 on XP .... XD
[09:55] <SeanTater3> osh_: thanks
[09:55] <dwidmann> anon32: has that been integrated?
[09:55] <SeanTater3> osh_: oops
[09:55] <anon32> dwidmann, into feisty? yes
[09:55] <dwidmann> I know xorg 7.2 is in, but dmraid also?
[09:55] <anon32> 2.6.19 kernel and xorg 7.2 final
[09:56] <eagles0513875> is it rather easy to setup raid with linux
[09:56] <dwidmann> --2.6.20 kernel
[09:56] <anon32> dwidmann, really? backport?
[09:56] <dwidmann> eagles0513875: yeah, pretty easy
[09:56] <dwidmann> no
[09:56] <dwidmann> default
[09:56] <eagles0513875> kool
[09:56] <anon32> oh yeah, it's not kernel freeze yet
[09:56] <eagles0513875> all i have to do is get my desktop to work
[09:56] <dwidmann> it has been the default since like, herd 2
[09:56] <osh_> eagles0513875: with a new install or adding it later? new install, fairly easy. adding later, a little more tricky. imho
[09:57] <anon32> dwidmann, I thought it used to be 2.6.19
[09:57] <dwidmann> very early on, yes
[09:57] <anon32> dunno, maybe I'm losing it
[09:57] <htedrom> Yorokobi: yea, i'm using 1.4.5
[09:57] <aaroncampbell> How often are new video cards added to the nvidia-glx drivers?
[09:57] <anon32> dwidmann, will there be issues if I'm dist-upgrading Ubuntu (not Kubuntu) but with some KDE 3.5.6 packages?
[09:58] <sgarden> Hi, can I ask for some support?
[09:58] <dwidmann> anon32: I don't think so, if kubuntu-desktop isn't installed, it will install it
[09:58] <Yorokobi> htedrom, dunno what to tell you. I haven't tried 1.4.5 with media on my local HDD, I use it to talk to my iPod. I have not had any problems.
[09:58] <anon32> dwidmann, ow... I don't want the rest of KDE, lol
[09:58] <eagles0513875> new install only problem i rmaed the mobo i have in my desktop atm but for some reason
[09:59] <eagles0513875> they sent it back to me with the same problem which was the cpu fan and video fan not working
[09:59] <eagles0513875> im rather pissed at asus
[09:59] <Yorokobi> htedrom, maybe its a hardware issue ... *shrug*
[09:59] <dwidmann> anon32: and I didn't really want the rest of kubuntu ... but I'll henpick to get my setup back
[09:59] <richb> Ahh that went oki'ish.
[09:59] <eagles0513875> i actually came back to kubuntu after trying pclinuxos
[09:59] <eagles0513875> its nice but no latex frontends
[09:59] <sgarden> Hi. Maybe I've not RTFM enough. But... I can't see the spash screen of kubuntu because "out of sync" video rate. Not critical since everything goes OK when X starts. But how can I fix it?
[10:01] <dwidmann> sgarden, I'm not sure, worst case scenario you could disable usplash
[10:01] <smile> hi guys.. something new in linux world ? i were absent for 15 days
[10:01] <anon32> smile, yeah, MS went bankrupt
[10:01] <anon32> oh wait, you wanted real facts? lol
[10:02] <dwidmann> hehehe
[10:02] <smile> anon32: bankrupt ?? what that means ?
[10:02] <Yorokobi> sgarden, I think you need to use a kernel boot option to set your video prefs ... its been too long since I last looked at that issue.
[10:02] <anon32> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankruptcy
[10:02] <sgarden> what's a pity. It lookes nice according to kubuntu webby screen shoots. :)
[10:02] <anon32> does anything in kde4 work?
[10:02] <The_Machine> hah
[10:03] <dwidmann> smile: well, I can't recall if these two things were in the last 15 days or not, but Feisty beta 1 has been released, there's a new dist-upgrade tool for kubuntu, and k3b 1.0 has officially been released
[10:03] <The_Machine> Nothing.
[10:03] <anon32> The_Machine, thought so, lol
[10:03] <dwidmann> Oh, and the actual schedule for kde4 has been released, it will be released in october
[10:03] <qbert_> i am trying to install firefox via adept, but its saying BREAK (  install ) , how do i fix that ?
[10:04] <richb> Oh there is an app for for setting up the network interfaces.
[10:04] <anon32> qbert_, use apt instead?
[10:04] <anon32> richb, yeah, ifconfig
[10:04] <richb> anon32 and route... yep..
[10:04] <dwidmann> richb: or you could just ask instead of rtfming, can often get a good response that way too
[10:04] <sgarden> Whatever the splashscreen bug. I have an other one for real ackers (trying to capture people thight).
[10:05] <sgarden> I can't see my NSLU2 share through konkeror. Any idea?
[10:05] <richb> dwidmann: Ahh I fudged my way through getting the network working:-)
[10:05] <tomlulu> hello
[10:07] <smile> is kaffeine based on xine ?
[10:07] <anon32> yes
[10:07] <anon32> kaffiene-xine is at least
[10:07] <qbert_> firefox: Depends: libmyspell3c2 but it is not installable'
[10:07] <anon32> qbert_, try installing libmyspell3c2, see what happens
[10:07] <smile> anon32: and mplayer too ?
[10:08] <anon32> smile, mplayer is based on ffmpeg
[10:08] <anon32> no xine there
[10:08] <anon32> vlc is too
[10:08] <smile> anon32: vlc is based on xine too ?
[10:08] <anon32> no, vlc is based on ffmpeg, just like mplayer
[10:09] <smile> anon32: thx
[10:09] <anon32> smile, yeah... mplayer > vlc for most things though
[10:10] <smile> anon32: who is better ? vlc or xine ?
[10:10] <qbert_> anon32: i see the package is unstable, how do i turn on the right repository so i can use adept with it  ?
[10:10] <smile> anon32: i want play movie rate and it's bad on xine :-(
[10:10] <anon32> smile, vlc :-) - unless you use beryl
[10:11] <anon32> smile, is your CPU old?
[10:11] <smile> anon32: no .. i dont use beryl
[10:11] <anon32> VLC ftw :-)
[10:11] <Matt101> hello I'm havein problem how do I mount my cdrom as root?
[10:11] <anon32> and the next 0.9.0 release will be built on QT :-)
[10:11] <Yorokobi> vlc is hit or miss with beryl for me. It seems to change depending on what video card I'm using.
[10:11] <anon32> Matt101, sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda(?) /media/cdrom0 ?
[10:12] <iwonka> cze
[10:12] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[10:12] <ins-dragonclaw> !cz
[10:12] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[10:12] <Matt101> I'm just trying to music CD
[10:12] <Matt101> is all
[10:12] <anon32> Matt101, oh... you don't mount music CDs
[10:12] <Yorokobi> don't mount audio CDs
[10:12] <smile> anon32: can vlc read video stream.nsv ?
[10:13] <ins-dragonclaw> Amarok > Engage > Play audio CD
[10:13] <ins-dragonclaw> or kscd
[10:13] <Matt101> ok
[10:13] <anon32> smile, hit-or-miss, VLC supports VP3.x and VP6.2, so some work and some don't
[10:13] <Matt101> told me need root to mount
[10:13] <anon32> also, if you use dapper or edgy, VLC won't support VP6.2 (libavcodec problem)
[10:13] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah, but you no need mound music CDs
[10:13] <ins-dragonclaw> mount*
[10:13] <Yorokobi> Matt101, add yourself to the audio group
[10:13] <smile> anon32: I dont get this ? axplain mor plz ? .. what is VPx ?
[10:14] <anon32> smile, VP is On2 VP's proprietary codec, nsv streams use either v3.x or v6.x
[10:14] <anon32> VLC (through libavcodec) supports v3.x and v6.2
[10:14] <smile> anon32: are they installed otomaticly or manually ?
[10:14] <anon32> smile, yes, apt-get install vlc covers every codec
[10:15] <anon32> don't install vlc's mozilla plugin though, it doesn't work
[10:15] <eagles0513875> how do i change from single clicking or double clickin
[10:15] <smile> anon32: ok :-)
[10:16] <anon32> smile, I like mplayer-nogui though :-)
[10:17] <Matt101> guys I feel like a dum azz
[10:17] <Matt101> but this is what it says mount: must be superuser to use mount
[10:18] <anon32> Matt101, yes, use pmount
[10:18] <anon32> Matt101, but if you want to play an audio CD, don't mount - it doesn't work that way
[10:18] <anon32> <cd playing app> /dev/hda
[10:18] <Kuwanger> For some reason, cnn.com keeps crashing mozilla. :/
[10:18] <anon32> Kuwanger, noscript then :-)
[10:19] <anon32> it can even reduce mozilla's memory leak rate
[10:19] <Matt101> WOW
[10:19] <anon32> ha, netsplit
[10:19] <Matt101> what was that
[10:19] <Kuwanger> anon32: There's two reasons why that won't work.  One, this is mozilla, not firefox.
[10:20] <anon32> so what?
[10:20] <anon32> .......
[10:20] <Matt101> crazy but that's how it ges
[10:20] <N6REJ> good afternoon all
[10:20] <Kuwanger> anon32: Two, cnn.com isn't the only thing causing crashing.  And most of those things causing crashing require javascript.
[10:20] <anon32> irc needs to be cyclical...
[10:20] <anon32> Kuwanger, ah well
[10:21] <anon32> and btw, noscript runs on the mozilla suite too...
[10:22] <Matt101> dammit I guess I'll have to do something els or check the fourms
[10:23] <n1ywb> is there any particular reason why my ata133 disk is connected to /dev/sda?
[10:23] <Matt101> the fourms are helpfull if you dig
[10:23] <Kuwanger> anon32: How do you install noscript in mozilla-suite?
[10:23] <anon32> Kuwanger, open the .xpi
[10:23] <anon32> :-\
[10:23] <anon32> oh btw, you should be using seamonkey, mozilla is deprecated
[10:24] <Irayo> I have three sound cards, but two of them don't have speakers connected; how do I set the default for arts, alsa, etc.?
[10:24] <Kuwanger> anon32: I would be but I didn't see it listed in adept manager.
[10:27] <mirko> hallo, ich hier, wer da
[10:28] <eilker> !de
[10:28] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:28] <qbert_> apt-get install emacs, no package emacs ?!?
[10:28] <eilker> !emacs
[10:28] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[10:28] <bjohnson> could someone point me to info about setting up a cron job in kubuntu?  I'm trying to get my cron job froma fedora machine to work and I wonder if the problem is something to do with permissions.  Do cron jobs run as root?
[10:29] <eilker> qbert_> : there should be
[10:29] <Yorokobi> All this talk of adept and apt-get reminds me why I still use dselect
[10:29] <meme-2> Anyone familiar with Beryl? I just installed it... and it was working beautifully until I did something wrong. Now when I drag a window, windows backgrounds do not refresh (rather, dragged windows leave a "ghost" of themselves). What did I do wrong?
[10:29] <richb> bjohnson: contab -e
[10:29] <richb> *crontab
[10:29] <qbert_> eilker: i think my repository list crap
[10:29] <eilker> !crontab > eilker
[10:29] <bjohnson> richb: doesn't that edit the cron config?  I'm talking about the file in /etc/cron.hourly and others
[10:29] <smile> anon32: vlc dont install VPx plugins !!! just libiso,libmpeg, libtar, libvcd, libxosd, xwvlc
[10:29] <smile> anon32: something wrong ?
[10:30] <anon32> smile, it's part of libavcodec
[10:30] <anon32> you probably already have that
[10:30] <anon32> also, the rest of the codecs are statically linked
[10:30] <smile> anon32: mm ok .. thx again
[10:31] <Kuwanger> anon32: Am I using the wrong package manager?  Or is seamonkey named something else?  Or is it not available as a package?
[10:31] <anon32> Kuwanger, it's a recent name change, maybe apt doesn't respect it?
[10:31] <Yorokobi> Kuwanger, do you have the universe and multiverse repos enabled?
[10:31] <Kuwanger> Yorokobi: Got me.
[10:32] <Kuwanger> Yorokobi: How would I enable both?
[10:32] <Yorokobi> In adept? I'd have to look (as I never use it)
[10:33] <Kuwanger> Yorokobi: Well, I'm just using it because it was the only GUI package manager I saw installed by the installer.
[10:34] <iwonka> mwi kto po polsku?
[10:35] <Yorokobi> Well, Kuwanger I don't even have it installed and I haven't found decent docs online yet. 'sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list' and uncomment the universe and multiverse entries.
[10:35] <Yorokobi> then 'sudo apt-get update'
[10:37] <Kuwanger> Yorokobi: Even the edgy-backports?
[10:37] <Yorokobi> Kuwanger, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse
[10:38] <Yorokobi> Yes, even backports
[10:38] <Yorokobi> and security
[10:39] <Kuwanger> Yorokobi: Okay, fetching updates.
[10:41] <smile> when i play a video stream with VLC i get a main error "subpicture heap is full "
[10:41] <smile> how can i solve that ?
[10:43] <orient2000> Hi! How can I resize partition in 6.10 kubuntu. It is fresh install after update.
[10:43] <soulrider__> smile: no idea, maybe you can try their channel... ?
[10:43] <smile> soulrider: what u mean ?
[10:44] <soulrider> orient2000: im not sure but maybe qtparted can resize them
[10:44] <soulrider> smile: they probably have an IRC channel, maybe theyc an help you
[10:44] <soulrider> orient2000: you should use qtparted from the liveCD, its int he kmenu under system
[10:47] <orient2000> thanks
[11:00] <newbie_101> i am having a problem with my keyboard, can i get some help////
[11:01] <newbie_101> my keyboard is acting up can i ge some help please??/
[11:02] <richb> newbie_101: Acting up how?
[11:02] <richb> Meh, nm.
[11:09] <maki> where can i find the sources list for 7.04
[11:09] <maki> i have some from 6.10
[11:10] <maki> and this give me problems
[11:10] <DiThi> hi!!
[11:10] <DiThi> I've just upgraded to feisty
[11:11] <DiThi> but it doesn't boot
[11:11] <Cugel> DiThi: what error + what type of motherboard do you have.
[11:11] <Cugel> There's a known bug with some types of motherboards.
[11:12] <DiThi> ibgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work
[11:12] <maki> DiThi:why did you upgrade to feasty :)
[11:12] <DiThi> libgcc_s.so.1 i mean
[11:12] <DiThi> because I want to help with bugs
[11:12] <DiThi> computer is a laptop, intel centrino
[11:13] <maki> DiThi:i have feasty also,because 6.10 was to stable for me
[11:14] <DiThi> Cugel: do you have any clue about what that message means?
[11:14] <maki> wait help from the guru's
[11:14] <DiThi> ok
[11:14] <athena> 1 hrs till dist-upgrade completion.... lame...
[11:14] <athena> WHY ARE UBUNTU SERVERS SO SLOW?
[11:14] <Cugel> Well no -- although i think there's a module missing from your kernel.
[11:15] <athena> the servers aren't actually located in Africa are they?
[11:15] <maki> because feisty is still beta
[11:15] <athena> maki, what's that have to do with the servers?
[11:15] <DiThi> athena: there are mirrors everywhere
[11:15] <athena> DiThi, then why are they all so slow???
[11:15] <athena> 66.2kbps dl, wtf?
[11:15] <maki> athena:i like to put a clean sources.list
[11:16] <foloex> bonsoir
[11:16] <DiThi> maybe a lot of ppl is upgrading
[11:16] <HaSH> i want to install just pureadmin but it wants to install others stuff too..i already have pure-ftpd install(compiled myself...with some added features)
[11:16] <maki> now its mess up
[11:17] <HaSH> !iso
[11:17] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[11:17] <luke-jr|work> Is kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso a LiveCD?
[11:18] <DiThi> luke-jr|work: yes
[11:18] <DiThi> live with installer
[11:18] <DiThi> it was renamed to desktop since it includes an installer
[11:20] <Ayabara> do you guys use digikam for image collections and editing?
[11:21] <DiThi> the problem happened with -386
[11:21] <DiThi> going to try with -generic
[11:23] <Kuwanger> Well, hm..  Still don't see seamonkey. :/
[11:24] <athena> Kuwanger, dl the tarball from mozilla.com ?
[11:24] <athena> or mozilla.org *
[11:25] <Kuwanger> athena: Ie, it's not in any of the respositories?
[11:25] <czubass> hello
[11:25] <czubass> jest ktos z polski:P
[11:25] <athena> Kuwanger, nope, doesn't look like it - it could be that mozilla == seamonkey and they never bothered renaming the packages
[11:25] <Kuwanger> athena: Nope.
[11:27] <eilker> !compling kernel
[11:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compling kernel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:27] <Arwen> !kernel
[11:27] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[11:29] <soulrider> is there a place where i can view a log of when packages where installed ?
[11:29] <Ayabara> is there a place to get 0.9.x packages for digikam?
[11:29] <Kuwanger> !seamonkey
[11:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seamonkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <aaroncampbell> is this the list of the cards that nvidia-glx supports: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html (clicked "supported products" on http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html )
[11:31] <Shinigami> Hello all.  I have a hopefully quick question about mounting a windows share.  I get and error that says 'only root can mount //computername/folder on /mnt/folder'. Is there a way I can set it to mount as root at boot?
[11:31] <Arwen> Shinigami, yes, use fstab
[11:32] <DiThi> wow, it seems the problem was a lot of packages not configured
[11:32] <Shinigami> Arwen: I have it listed there alreay.  I'll recheck the setting. thank you.
[11:32] <Shinigami> At least I'm closer :0
[11:36] <soulrider> Shinigami: you can mount yes, but maybe you forgot to add sudo at the beggining ;)
[11:36] <Arwen> Kuwanger, which one? it *probably* can
[11:37] <Kuwanger> Well, more a question of how to set it up.  It's an ATI Technologies, Inc. 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X.
[11:38] <aaroncampbell> I have 5 - 500G SataII drives that I want to set up as a RAID.  How would I go about doing that?
[11:39] <Arwen> aaroncampbell, with your system's raid config tools
[11:39] <Arwen> depends what system you have
[11:39] <aaroncampbell> I was told that I can make a software raid.
[11:39] <Arwen> aaroncampbell, yeah, but that sucks
[11:39] <aaroncampbell> that kubuntu can handle it
[11:40] <Kuwanger> Arwen: What's the proper way to enable 3D/DRI?
[11:40] <Arwen> Kuwanger, card?
[11:40] <Arwen> aaroncampbell, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[11:40] <Kuwanger> Arwen: It's an ATI Technologies, Inc. 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X.
[11:40] <Arwen> Kuwanger, um.... buy a new card? lol
[11:40] <Arwen> that one ain't even supported by fglrx
[11:41] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Why would I want to use fglrx?
[11:41] <Arwen> because it has proper support for 3d?
[11:41] <Arwen> !fglrx
[11:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:41] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Um, so does open source driver.
[11:41] <Arwen> for like 2 cards...
[11:42] <Arwen> Kuwanger, check the list, I think it's not supported, seriously, get a newer card
[11:42] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Um..I don't want to use the binary driver, anyways.
[11:42] <Arwen> lol, fglrx does suck :-\
[11:45] <Arwen> Kuwanger, anyway, the hardware support list says your card isn't supported by any driver
[11:46] <Kuwanger> Arwen: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIMach64?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardware
[11:47] <Arwen> Kuwanger, ok, I take my statement back
[11:47] <Arwen> that looks like you need an experimental xorg though
[11:48] <Shinigami> Thanks for the tips guys *waves*
[11:49] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Interesting stuff.
[11:49] <Arwen> yeah, I still say you should get an nvidia card though :-)
[11:50] <Kuwanger> Arwen: And while I'm at it, why not buy Vista?
[11:50] <Arwen> Kuwanger, what's Vista have to do with this?????
[11:50] <Arwen> please don't start off on non sequiturs
[11:50] <Kuwanger> Arwen: What's nvidia have to wanting to get my current video card working?
[11:50] <Kuwanger> +do with
[11:50] <Arwen> nothing, other than nvidia cards work very well?
[11:51] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Um, no, nvidia cards don't work "very well".
[11:51] <Arwen> um, actually, they do
[11:51] <Chousuke> only with the binary blob
[11:51] <Arwen> who cares if it works?
[11:51] <Chousuke> some people do
[11:52] <Arwen> well, too bad for them, geez
[11:52] <Arwen> yay, 1 min to dist-upgrade start
[11:52] <MinceR> it would work better if the official driver was open source but you'll have to get intel for that
[11:52] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Even with the binary blob, I had pretty routine crashing. :/
[11:52] <MinceR> and intel chips aren't that high-performance
[11:52] <Arwen> hmm, Kuwanger, perhaps, I remember fglrx crashing my system a lot
[11:52] <Arwen> MinceR, lol, true
[11:52] <Arwen> what's sad is that intel is faster than the r300 driver..
[11:53] <Chousuke> Rage Pro should be supported by x.org though I think :/
[11:53] <Kuwanger> Arwen: I've never used fglrx.  I've pretty well avoided binary blobs as much as possible since the nvidia card.
[11:53] <Chousuke> it's an old card anyway
[11:53] <Kuwanger> Chousuke: From the sound of it, it was supported, but then people recognized that the driver had a few large security vulnerabilities in it and they're still working on work arounds for them.
[11:53] <Arwen> dist-upgrade in progress.... anyone wanna wish me luck?
[11:54] <[xelent] _> Woohoo!! I found out what media player this is http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/085/a/1/Linux_X_by_binyaryar.png
[11:54] <Morbo> Which is that/
[11:55] <Arwen> ...and nothing works while dist-upgrade is in progress
[11:55] <frojnd> how can I connect to a local maschine with command line, if I know username and passoword of that XP box maschine?
[11:55] <frojnd> do I have to have installed smth, or I can hack by any chance
[11:55] <[xelent] _> Jetaudio, using wine
[11:55] <Arwen> [xelent] _, xmms? amarok?
[11:56] <Arwen> [xelent] _, really? it doesn't have that wine look to it :-O
[11:56] <karacal> turn off
[11:56] <[xelent] _> lol, it looks ok
[11:56] <Morbo> using wine just fr a media player seems a bit silly
[11:57] <[xelent] _> yeah, i just wanted to know what it was though
[11:57] <Arwen> yeah, I can't think of anything that I'd install wine for
[11:57] <Morbo> amarok, ftw
[11:57] <Arwen> games maybe, but wine + games = fail;
[11:57] <[xelent] _> oh well, i wont be using it, lol
[11:58] <MK_Mike> I managed to get Steam + counter strick source working on wine perfectly well it was runing better than windows
[11:58] <Morbo> O_o
[11:58] <Arwen> mm, I don't play games because 1) I'm poor and 2) my video card id poorer
[11:58] <Morbo> What does "better than Windows mean"?
[11:58] <MK_Mike> lmao
[11:59] <Arwen> Oblivion actually runs in wine now, just not very well
[11:59] <Arwen> Morbo, more fps, some games are like that, e.g. call of duty
[11:59] <MK_Mike> i had more fps than i did in windows and the graphics were better
[11:59] <Morbo> Ahh
[11:59] <Morbo> The only games i play are Q3 and UT2004
[11:59] <Morbo> Well, excluding tetris and the like
[11:59] <phantom> hi
[11:59] <MK_Mike> ut2004 is there a linux version of that?
[12:00] <MK_Mike> Hello!
[12:00] <phantom> hi pipz
[12:00] <MK_Mike> i said Hello!
[12:00] <MK_Mike> lol
[12:01] <iain_> hey all
[12:02] <iain_> wondered if there's any Kgods out there who know anything about resolution issues....
[12:03] <iain_> seems you guys are afk. oh well. cheers anyway.
[12:04] <freyelise> anyone awake in here? :)
[12:08] <aaroncampbell> What RAID cards work well with (K)ubuntu
[12:09] <phantom> hi
[12:09] <phantom> can you guys help me?
[12:09] <phantom> how can i join other rooms?
[12:10] <aaroncampbell>  /join #otherroom
[12:10] <phantom> can you suggest me other rooms?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> phantom, what other rooms ...if you know the chatroom name , the type in the server textbox  /join #chatroomname
[12:11] <aaroncampbell> nope...there are 71953 channels (rooms), and each is for something specific...depends on what you want help with
[12:11] <phantom> oh, tnx
[12:13] <freyelise> anyone able to help me get my dsl connection working?