=== finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desudation [n=dpollock@eclipse/developer/Eclipse/desudation] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@212-139-118-106.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54BEE64C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === finalbeta_ [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gregdek is now known as gregdek_gone === finalbeta_ [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] hi Mithrandir :) if you have a moment, can you please review bug 97182? Thanks in advance and good night! [12:57] Malone bug 97182 in liferea "[UVFe] liferea 1.2.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97182 [12:58] hi [12:58] somepeople who works on the auto update gnome plugin ? === wereHamster is now known as wereHamster|zZz === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maxamillion [n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] with the addition of the easy codecs and such, are there any complications with upgrading from edgy (I was under the impression that some of the packages have been renamed or dummied by meta packages) [01:08] maxamillion: this is not really a uspport channel [01:09] try #ubuntu+1 [01:09] hi Burgwork [01:09] hey ajmitch === ajmitch wonders if we can get mit kerberos 1.6 into feisty+1 [01:09] hopefully it'll get into sid soon, since it's in unstable now === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] Burgwork: this isn't a support question, i am aware of the different channels ... i just figured upgrade issues due to a package naming scheme altercation or restructure might be on topic in a devel channel [01:10] asking about issues of upgrading are a support question [01:10] Burgwork: and i was wondering the reportings of a developer on the topic [01:10] if you run into an issue, file a bug [01:10] Burgwork: btw the hit count on those authtool images is > 11K now :) === ajmitch didn't realise planet was viewed by so many [01:11] yep [01:11] I need a blog with comments turned on [01:12] Burgwork: no, i need to be able to upgrade a large number of computers on a college campus, this isn't a "try and find out" situation ... i am asking if there was a structural change in the packages that have to do with the codec feature change that might give an issue with upgrading (which i don't plan to do until feisty is stable) .... its just a question [01:12] most useful part of krb5 1.6 that I saw, is an LDAP KDB plugin [01:13] maxamillion: a large upgrade. 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I'll test a bit more after sleeping. Since i'm modifying a *generated* file (*.mod.c), i don't think there should be any license problems. [03:18] _ion: ok [03:19] <_ion> benc: The result is that e.g. 'modinfo nvidia' shows the correct list. [03:19] <_ion> Good night. [03:24] _ion: It also means that udev will autoload the nvidia kernel module, which may not be what we want === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ad3c7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [n=carl@24.72.183.239] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theidiotthatisme [n=TheIdiot@adsl-75-19-118-251.dsl.yntwoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D8495.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:26] asac, New Zealand [04:34] BenC: I thought the nvidia kernel driver was mostly harmless if you don't use the X driver [04:34] Amaranth: it taints the kernel [04:34] well, yes [04:34] And fucks power management [04:35] even if it's not being used? [04:35] "Oh, I'm going to poke registers now!" [04:35] Yes [04:35] Hateful thing [04:35] ick [04:35] go go nouveau [04:36] god [04:36] i can't believe they still haven't fixed the problems with textures [04:36] it even breaks on VT switch [04:36] you think they could have just uploaded a new version of the single specific piece of evo that was actually affected [04:36] told them about it, they said they thought it was already fixed but would look at it [04:36] that was in november... [04:37] Amaranth: obviously you don't matter. [04:37] I guess not [04:37] nvidia hates bling! === mpt tries to figure out what an "NFS import" is [04:38] because, you know, having more people actually have a use for your hardware is horrible === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] Amaranth: maybe if you bought 100 Quadros, they might care more === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.32.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988_ [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988_ is now known as adamant1988 === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508d8495.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_191 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-bb9645292f973a2b] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=DaxSolom@203.87.200.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:21] morning [07:21] hi fabbione [07:21] hi === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@64.62.231.84] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@128.189.255.57] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-145-200.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-df417385c4a88fd0] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:09] who develops libdvdcss2? the first 150 google hits looked like tutorials on how to install it in ubuntu as opposed to a project page... [08:10] It was part of the videolan project at some point, I believe === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hyko [i=ajt@lives.at.unixuni.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hugo [n=hugo@201.72.57.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt [n=desrt@ubuntu/member/desrt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=znarl@jewel.roundabout.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] I think it still is. It hasn't changed much recently (as in the last couple of year) though. [08:11] i'm just getting rather frustrated that certain dvds refuse to be played [08:12] I think there's actually a newer DVD copy protection which isn't broken by libdvdcss2? [08:12] most likely === RAOF seems to remember the acronym MCA? [08:13] Ademan: http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html [08:14] appreciated torkel. What then is libdvdcss2? just a different naming scheme for the package? (iirc incompatible versions had to have the version number on the actual package?) === Rohinton [n=chatzill@c-67-170-250-22.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] wow.... latest entry in the changelog was 2005 .... [08:16] Oh, yeah. It's pretty much stable :) [08:17] heh, well there's no alternative for decrypting dvds is there? [08:19] I could be totally wrong but I thought gstreamer had a plugin for it that wasn't libdvdcss [08:19] i'll take a look [08:21] also what are the legal implications of using libdvdcss? i was digging around, and at least wikipedia seemed to suggest taht you can't play ANY encrypted dvds on ANY computer, how then, was i able to play my dvds on windows media player way back when? Did microsoft pay a fee or something for that? [08:22] Ademan: Yes, microsoft (or rather, the DVD playing software company) paid a fee. [08:23] that's pretty messed up... [08:23] (It's actually one of the reasons why the original Xbox didn't have DVD playback without the remote - a significant part of the cost of the remote was licensing all the necessary stuff) [08:23] Ademan: See "I can patent what you're thinking" :( [08:24] Ademan: I wouldn't recommend asking random people on IRC for legal advice, and any implications of libdvdcss depends on where you live. [08:25] Mithrandir: true, but i'm making the assumption that most people in here are either from america, australia, canada or the uk, where i assume these sorts of laws are similar [08:25] has there been any known legal battles related to libdvdcss2 yet? [08:25] superm1: You mean, apart from the huge "DVD John" lawsuit? [08:25] no, but i don't think any commercial entity has been distributing libdvdcss2 yet [08:25] i mean, it's not in universe or multiverse is it? [08:25] No. [08:26] probably for good reason [08:26] RAOF, i didn't realize that there was a DVD john lawsuit, i just knew of him === wereHamster|zZz is now known as wereHamster [08:26] Because, at least for USA, it's pretty much the *definition* of the something illegal under the DMCA :) === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] RAOF: libdvdcss2? or what DVD john was doing? [08:28] libdvdcss2 [08:28] Although also what DVD John was doing. [08:28] Incidentally, wasn't he sued *twice* in Sweden? [08:31] RAOF: why should he have been sued in Sweden? [08:32] torkel: because people from the US have trouble distinguishing between European countries and misspell our names? :-P === RAOF kinda lumps the top of Europe together, and calls it "Sweden" :) [08:33] Actually, I'd just forgotten where he actuall came from, and Sweden seemed a reasonalbe candidate. [08:34] lol [08:34] Mithrandir: or they still believe that we are one country... [08:35] torkel: yeah, that only changed a hundred-odd years ago so it's clearly reasonable. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-e558ac2db52bc289] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:50] RAOF: It was Norway :) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.32.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] Amaranth: :-\ [08:51] btw, jon is a pretty cool guy :) === W_o_r[l] d [n=Psico@151.73.165.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] Mithrandir, torkel: I don't know where they are but I know they exist ;) === Amaranth sucks at geography, in general === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_191 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-9b2fe250ba11be94] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0B7A4.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-24-65.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] Good morning [09:17] heya pitti! === hoora_191 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-5cc8914c9b5af4f7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] morning pitti, Hobbsee [09:18] morning pitti, Hobbsee, Mithrandir === Hobbsee hugs Mithrandir, pitti and Burgundavia [09:18] hi pitti, Mithrandir [09:18] heya Mithrandir, Burgundavia === Mithrandir bounces [09:18] why are you bouncing, Mithrandir? [09:19] hey Mithrandir, Burgundavia, ajmitch === pitti hugs Hobbsee back [09:20] :) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] Hobbsee: just general happiness [09:23] Mithrandir: fair enough === shenki__ [n=shenki@ppp9-248.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] pitti: has asterisk ever be considered for main before? [09:28] Burgundavia: yes, he's not happy with it unless somebody takes responsibility for it. [09:28] Mithrandir: ah. What were the specific issues? [09:28] general complexity, AIUI. [09:28] lack of reponsible person to jump in & fix bugs? [09:28] ok [09:29] it currently only has 4 bugs filed against it in LP [09:29] asterisk: MainInclusionReportAsterisk (requires dedicated maintainer, possibly in conjunction with a spec) [09:29] is what it says [09:29] and the longer comment is MartinPitt: This package is complex and vulnerability-prone enough to require someone who knows the package well and commits to maintain it for a longer term. If there is an approved Ubuntu specification that requires this package, then I will reconsider, but for now I rather want to not burn our hands with it. [09:30] right, found it [09:30] ok, I looked right at that and didn't see it when I searchef ro it [09:31] hmm === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-145-200.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F71157.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] hellas === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti hugs dholbach === dholbach hugs pitti back === styx_ [n=styx@p57A4C3A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54a677a2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] pitti: About bug #95814 again: I un-duplicated it then re-added the need-amd64-retrace tag. The apport-retrace service has removed the tag, but still hasn't generated a stacktrace. [09:53] Malone bug 95814 in banshee "[apport] banshee.exe crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95814 [09:53] Is there anything else I should do, or just wait for Banshee to crash again and file a whole new bug? [09:53] RAOF: let me look into the log [09:53] Thanks. === pitti restarts the i386 retracer which exception'ed out on the LP downtime [09:55] RAOF: ah, it became a victim of a package installation bug that I fixed yesterday; can you please try again? [09:55] RAOF: I'll watch the log, and if it still fails, I'll investigate [09:55] As in, re-add the tag? Certainly. [09:55] RAOF: right; thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience; still lots of bugs to fix :/ [09:55] tepsipakki: do you know if there are any complaints about i810 spinning cpu with cairo apps? I'm asking because jokosher upstream asked me, when I filed bug 96441 [09:55] Malone bug 96441 in jokosher "timer updates use too much CPU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96441 [09:55] That's OK. I'm not sure if the stacktrace will help me at all, anyway. I just know that a stacktrace containing nothing but () in ?? won't help me, either :) === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] Mithrandir: could you have a look at bug #91676? is the debdiff okay for feisty? [10:00] Malone bug 91676 in wpasupplicant "wpa_supplicant crashes in: wpa_supplicant_dbus_notify_state_change (wpa_s=)" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91676 [10:00] siretart: looking === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] siretart: you've used and tested it a bit yourself? [10:02] dholbach: there is a bug about general sluggishness.. you could try downgrading libx11 and see if that makes it better [10:02] racebetween mscompress and foo2js been reported? [10:03] sabdfl: yes, and fixed already [10:03] thanks pitti [10:03] Mithrandir: I'm currently using the 0.6 branch, but I'm going to test it on my girlfriends notebook. I wasn't able to reproduce the crasher myself [10:03] tepsipakki: i've had the problem for quite a while now - not sure if downgrading libx11 would help - it's generally fine, it's just this one case that makes jokosher unusable for me :-/ [10:03] Mithrandir: the update I'm proposing is to update to the latest version of the stable branch [10:03] the 0.6 branch is the experimental one [10:03] siretart: yes, I understood that. Do you have the upstream changelog somewhere? === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] Mithrandir: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6917891/changelog.diff [10:04] dholbach: do you use EXA? === shermann [n=shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] tepsipakki: do I use it if it's not mentioned in xorg.conf? [10:05] siretart: looks good to me, go ahead. [10:05] dholbach: no :) [10:05] tepsipakki: ok [10:05] k thanks [10:05] dholbach: see bug 88815 [10:05] Malone bug 88815 in xorg-server "Sluggish rendering since xorg 7.2 update" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88815 [10:07] tepsipakki: I think I had the problem before (jokosher not keeping up with recording) === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.222.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] pitti: That worked, thanks. Man, mono stacktraces aren't particularly informative :/ [10:11] dholbach: you mean before 7.2 landed? [10:11] tepsipakki: yeah [10:12] RAOF: indeed, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApportMonoCrashes === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54955823.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] kwwii: are these icons wrong: [10:23] /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/devices/gnome-dev-trash-full.svg [10:23] /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/devices/gnome-dev-trash-empty.svg [10:24] dholbach: nope, those and the CDs seem to be correct [10:24] and exist as SVGs [10:24] dholbach: but it is a bigger problem than that [10:24] dholbach: it appears to use the 48x48 icons and then scale them up [10:25] kwwii: why does it work nicely with the 'folders'? [10:25] dholbach: ahhhh, that would be because 48x48 is the biggest pixmap version that exists === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] dholbach: not sure I get you on that [10:26] kwwii: if I scale folders they scale nicely [10:26] kwwii: it uses the svg there [10:26] ahhhh [10:26] could it be this: [10:26] [48x48/filesystems] [10:26] Size=48 [10:26] Context=filesystems [10:26] Type=Scalable [10:27] in /usr/share/icons/Human/index.theme ? === t3g [n=t3g@ram94-2-89-85-122-46.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] dholbach: I think so, I am going to try removing it and see what happens [10:30] <_ion> benc: The nvidia module *already* has aliases that match to *all* nVidia VGA cards. I'm just making them more accurate. [10:30] kwwii: change to Fixed and be sure to either remove /usr/share/icons/Human/icon-theme.cache or run sudo gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/Human [10:32] you need to "sudo touch /usr/share/icons/Human" before running the update [10:34] dholbach: hrm, that did not appear to change anything === shackan_ [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpytasz [n=dduck@staticline824.toya.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54a677a2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] dholbach: freaky man...I have no idea why nautilus is doing that [10:41] dholbach: but it does not use any of the SVGs it appears...either that or it prerenders them and then uses a smaller version [10:41] dholbach: but when you create the cache it only packs the pngs into it, or? === anti_pop [n=anti_pop@p54B0C291.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] dholbach: it cannot be rendering the svgs as it takes only a few milliseonds to create that cache file [10:42] kwwii: it uses the svgs too [10:42] kwwii: i can scale a folder to a huge size and it looks nicely [10:43] dholbach: yeah...here too..but in the information pane in nautilus it refuses to use them it appears [10:43] hmhm [10:44] did you restart nautilus or use ctrl-r to repaint? [10:44] I was testing it by loggin in as a different user [10:45] kwwii: pane probably uses 16x16 [10:45] seb128: it appears to use 48x48 [10:45] weird [10:45] seb128: do you know if that is hardcoded somehow? [10:46] pane using 48x48, no way [10:46] no, it's not [10:46] I think it uses 48x48 because it only looks sharp at that size [10:46] they use the gtk_icon_theme API [10:46] how do I reproduce the bug? [10:46] open nautilus and change the pane on the left from places to information [10:46] ah [10:48] $ strace -e open nautilus ~/Desktop 2>&1 | grep icon | grep desktop [10:48] open("/usr/share/nautilus/ui/nautilus-desktop-icon-view-ui.xml", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 21 [10:48] open("/usr/share/icons/Human/16x16/places/gnome-fs-desktop.png", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 21 [10:48] open("/usr/share/icons/Human/48x48/emblems/emblem-desktop.png", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 23 [10:48] open("/usr/share/icons/Human/16x16/emblems/emblem-desktop.png", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 21 [10:49] [10:49] looks like it's using "/usr/share/icons/Human/16x16/places/gnome-fs-desktop.png", [10:49] ah no [10:49] seb128: try going to the trash with that [10:49] there is 2 icons in the pane [10:49] the trash icon and the CD icon exist as SVGs, so it should use those, no? [10:51] right, trying to figure what it's doing [10:53] kwwii: I've no svg trash icon [10:53] is it supposed to be part of the current theme? [10:55] seb128: /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/devices/gnome-dev-trash-{empty,full}.svg ? [10:55] dholbach: hehe, you are quicker than I :-) [10:55] $ strace -e open nautilus trash: 2>&1 | grep trash [10:55] open("/usr/share/icons/Human/16x16/places/user-trash.png", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 24 [10:55] open("/usr/share/icons/Human/16x16/places/user-trash.png", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 24 [10:55] open("/usr/share/icons/Human/48x48/places/user-trash.png", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 24 [10:55] open("/usr/share/icons/Human/48x48/status/user-trash-full.png", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 28 [10:55] open("/usr/share/icons/Human/16x16/status/user-trash-full.png", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 28 [10:55] [10:55] it looks for user-trash [10:55] ok [10:55] and user-trash-full [10:55] i'm happy to rename them [10:55] I think that's the new spec naming [10:55] no? [10:56] icon-theme pain [10:56] that would only make it miss the icon in other places, or? [10:56] kwwii: we need symlink from one name to the other so it works for apps using the old and new naming [10:56] seb128: we should rename them [10:56] dholbach: but still the other icons do not exist as SVGs...is there any chance of finding some source files for those? [10:57] kwwii: no, the SVGs were created separately - don't ask [10:57] confirmed [10:57] sudo cp ./scalable/devices/gnome-dev-trash-full.svg scalable/places/user-trash-full.svg [10:57] seb128, kwwii: thanks for figuring that out [10:57] dholbach: ;-) [10:57] with that the trahs full icon is all nice [10:57] nice [10:57] yooho [10:57] dholbach: np [11:00] kwwii: I have the feeling we have to rename a bunch of those svg files in that directory [11:00] you might want to consider the symlink also [11:00] because there is apps around still using the old naming [11:00] seb128: it will automatically get generated [11:00] rock&roll then ;) [11:00] user-trash will generated 5 other symlinks inclunding gnome-dev-* [11:01] using naming-utils? [11:01] yes [11:01] k [11:01] just not the other way round :9 [11:01] ah ok [11:07] dholbach: for feisty+1 we should look into using only the new naming scheme, or? [11:08] kwwii: sure, I even wrote a script to rename the icons - could be that I need to look into fixing it again [11:08] kwwii: or hand it over to you [11:08] :-) [11:08] hehe :-) === dholbach hugs kwwii === kwwii hugs back [11:09] ahhh, you can almost smell the love in the room [11:09] exactly [11:11] why for feisty+1? [11:11] Do we want blurry icons for feisty? ;) [11:17] lol [11:17] guess not === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.15.252.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-e6b1ba810deae841] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anti_pop [n=anti_pop@p54B0C291.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === ogra wonders where his kezmap is gone since the last upload [11:41] s/upload/update indeed [11:42] ogra: pc105/us FTW :) [11:42] meh === jinty [n=jinty@84.78.183.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] i want mz german one back [11:42] grrr [11:42] qwertz ftw! [11:42] *my === juell [n=jga@p213.54.186.234.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] xorg.conf is fine, /etc/default/console-setup seems ok as well ... but no win [11:44] ogra: Gnome might override it.. Is it broken at the gdm login prompt, too? [11:44] hmm, i didnt check ... === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] ogra_: System -> Einstellungen -> Tastatur? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] so it is a gnome thing then .... [11:48] 11:46 < pitti> ogra_: System -> Einstellungen -> Tastatur? [11:48] seb128, do zou know anzthing about lost kezmaps [11:48] ogra: LOL [11:48] ogra: list when? [11:49] lost [11:49] new install? update? [11:49] update [11:49] of what package? [11:49] heh, about 247 packages, dont ask which ... but i have the right map in gdm ... [11:49] gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd/layouts [11:49] pkl_: ping? [11:50] Is here some gnome crasher expert around? There is a 64-bit-only crasher which many users have reported: bug 91218 [11:50] Malone bug 91218 in gnome-cups-manager "MASTER: [apport] gnome-cups-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in g_signal_emit_valist()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91218 [11:50] i didnt update since last herd ... until zesterdaz [11:50] It has 13 duplicates. [11:50] ogra@edubuntu:~$ gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd/layouts [11:50] [de nodeadkeys,us intl] [11:50] looks fine to me [11:50] ogra: does "setxkbmap de" fix it? [11:50] ah, yes [11:51] thanks, feels much better to have the y in the right place :) [11:52] ogra: does it happen again after a new login? [11:53] i'll try === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] seb128, yes [11:54] ogra: could you try to downgrade libxklavier to 3.1? [11:54] sure [11:58] hmm, only 3.0 in the archive [11:58] seb128, would that do it as well ? [11:58] LP should have some more versions [11:58] ogra_: should be fine [11:58] dholbach: LP has all the source versions but not the binaries, no? [11:59] I think it does === dholbach looks [11:59] i was as well having the impression it only has source ... [11:59] LP has the binaries too if available [11:59] cjwatson: "if available"? [12:00] if built [12:00] seb128: if they built properly. [12:00] ah [12:00] they are not one https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxklavier/3.1-0ubuntu1 [12:00] follow the "Builds of ..." links [12:00] you have download links for the .dsc the .changes and the tarball [12:00] e.g. https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/308300 === mc44_ [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] yeah, it has them === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44_ is now known as mc44 [12:01] ah ok [12:01] I've been tricked by the nice LP UI again ;) [12:01] cjwatson: thank you [12:01] was there a console version of update-manager? [12:01] then "Resulting binaries" as beta.lp hides it by default === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] tkamppeter: I'll try having a look later [12:02] seb128, 3.0 fixes it [12:02] ogra: https://beta.launchpad.net/+builds/+build/308300/libxklavier11 [12:02] ok [12:02] so it's a 3.2 regression [12:02] could you try with 3.1 to be sure? [12:02] I'll ping svu about it [12:02] hmm, when gdm is running I cannot use ctrl+alt+fn any more; is that just me? [12:03] ogra: could you open an libxklavier bug with gconftool -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd attached? [12:03] pitti: https://launchpad.net/bugs/97060 [12:03] Malone bug 97060 in gdm "Can't switch VT from GDM" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:05] how did wow, how did gdm manage to break that? [12:06] good question === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] Yay! udevd --verbose output for a case where bug 75681 happened! [12:06] Malone bug 75681 in mdadm "boot-time race condition initializing md" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75681 [12:06] the weird things is that it was happening on my laptop and not my desktop some time ago [12:06] argh, switch off != logout /me hates this logout dialog [12:06] I'll need to try again on my desktop [12:07] seb128: ah, thanks for the gdm bug pointer [12:07] np [12:07] pitti: maybe set /apps/panel/global/upstream_session [12:07] pitti: that's the "2 normal dialog" way from upstream [12:08] you might like it better ;) [12:08] seb128: ah, I just need to look more carefully :) === pitti hugs seb128 === seb128 hugs pitti back === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] seb128, bug 97342 for you [12:10] Malone bug 97342 in libxklavier "keymap support regression between version 3.1 and 3.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97342 [12:10] ogra: danke === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] seb128: indeed, that upstream default looks pretty ugly, too, but at least it's clearly separated [12:11] s/, too// === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.7.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] pitti: Would you care to formally approve https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportSlModem ? [12:16] iwj: oh, sure [12:17] iwj: thanks for the derootification, that makes me happy :) [12:17] iwj: shall I move it to restricted right away? === pitti assumes 'yes' and changes override === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-75ad089c67b07152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch wonders if that would support his modem in the laptop === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] mvo: hm, displayconfig-gtk's 'test' with a slightly lower resolution and no other changes just wrecked X and forced me to reboot :/ [12:28] mvo: I want to take a look at the xorg.conf mangling code [12:28] mvo: how stable/tested is this? [12:29] pitti: the test changed your original xorg.conf? that sounds like a evil bug. it should write a temp xorg file [12:29] mvo: no, it didn't [12:29] mvo: my screen went black, ctrl+alt+fn didn't help either [12:29] pitti: the xorg rewrite code is used in guidance as the default kbuuntu mangling thing. its should be well tested [12:30] mvo: xorgconfig.py seems to be pretty isolated (no unusal imports) [12:30] thus I ponder stealing it and using it in r-m [12:30] doko: there's something broken in OOo on amd64; see bug 93758 [12:30] Malone bug 93758 in openoffice.org-amd64 "Openoffice excessive memory useage" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93758 [12:30] feel free [12:30] I just get too many bug reports about using debconf and not supporting custom xorg.conf === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54955FE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable096.205-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] pitti: if you want to copy it, I can puslish my "upstream" bzr branch. that is the svn import of the releavent files that I keep up-to-date [12:35] mvo: in the long term, the best would probably be to split this into a separate packge which guidance, displayconfig-gtk, and r-m use [12:35] pitti: I talked with upstrema about this already and suggested the same. but they want to concentrate on the release and do the split after the release [12:36] pitti: maybe we could convince them with a patch though .) [12:36] right, that's fine [12:36] for Feisty, just copying the file WFM [12:36] seb128, thanks. [12:37] np === t3g [n=t3g@ram94-2-89-85-122-46.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_191 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-5cc8914c9b5af4f7] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [n=carl@24.72.183.239] has joined #ubuntu-devel === guerby [n=guerby@gut75-4-82-235-162-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host86-147-89-91.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robot101 [n=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sneakums [i=sneakums@jenny.ondioline.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] mvo: urgh, it changes whitespace and case heavily [12:38] pitti: Yes, thanks. === Robot101 [n=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host86-147-89-91.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] Mithrandir: should be fixed with the next upload [12:43] doko: ok, great. :-) === StevenK wonders what is taking imaze so long to build, and why it hasn't registered a build on amd64. [12:46] StevenK: soyuz has done some strange stuff tonight, cprov is looking at it. [12:47] Right. [12:49] doko, pitti, WDYT about turning on browsing/broadcasting in CUPS by default (see bug 68256)? [12:49] Malone bug 68256 in cupsys "kde: Openoffice doesn't see remote cups printers, just generic printer" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68256 [12:49] tkamppeter: not for Feisty any more; for that we need to rework the Gnome print dialog to clearly separate browsed from local printers [12:53] pitti, is it not easier and with less risk to break anything to change 3 or 4 lines in cupsd.conf than doing changes on the gnome-cups-manager which will disappear in Feisty+1? [12:54] gnome-cups-manager is crashing enough currently. [12:54] tkamppeter: changes on g-c-m? It can already enable browsing with a single click [12:55] You told "rework the Gnome print dialog" and this looked like you were thinking about modifying g-c-m in some way. [12:55] no, libgnomeprintui [12:56] is libgnomeprintui not one of the dieing thingies, too? Is it not on the way to be replaced by the GTK 2.10.x printing infrastructure? [12:57] right [12:57] that then [12:58]